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April 29, 2013

Immigration Bill Has More Fake "Fence" Crap In It
— Ace

The US government does not want a border fence built; the political class does not want a border fence built; the media class, virtually indistinguishable from the political class, does not want a border fence built.

On the other hand, 75% of the public does want a border fence built.

Obviously, the political/media class wins, as usual.

Even if a law required building a fence -- set specific requirements of how many feet of fencing must be constructed per month -- the government would not build it. They would spend endless hours pretending to "plan" the fence or study it for environmental impacts.

So that's what they'd do if the law says that a fence has to be built.

What will they do if the law doesn't even require a fence, but only the development of a "Fencing Strategy"?

Bear in mind, "no fence at all" is a perfectly allowable option in the range of possible "Fencing strategies" one might develop.

The whole thing is a con to deliver amnesty but convince people it's not amnesty.

And as many have said, the public would be willing to entertain the possibility of a mass-amnesty contingent on real border enforcement, including a fence.

But the amnestias simply refuse that. They are committed to the same position they've always held, Amnesty Forever and Amnesty Only.

Posted by: Ace at 09:58 AM | Comments (226)
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1 I like when ace starts to realize that the game is totally rigged against any truly conservative solution. It makes him abandon that wishy-washy "reasonable compromise" shit.

Posted by: imp at April 29, 2013 10:18 AM (UaxA0)

2 1st Now follow me my 15 million ninos y ninas!

Posted by: RWC at April 29, 2013 10:18 AM (fWAjv)

3 I finally got to a thread before there were 175 comments already.

Posted by: Tami[/i][/b][/u][/s] at April 29, 2013 10:18 AM (X6akg)

4 Ace, have you heard this audio from WMAL?
"LISTEN: State Dept. Blocks Lawyers from Representing Benghazi Whistleblowers"
http://tinyurl.com/cqn5247

Posted by: Caustic at April 29, 2013 10:19 AM (/b8+5)

5 Oh, come on, you're just standing in the way of civil rights for non-current citizens. Hater! Here's a nutty thought. Enforce the laws already passed. I know, I know, that's crazypants but, hey, why not try it. It's an idea so crazy it just might work.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Please? at April 29, 2013 10:19 AM (VtjlW)

6 well I don't understand how a border fence would work anyway. Both borders (north and south) are pretty darn long and go across some rough terrain and have other inconveninces that would make fencing it off really expensive and probably really difficult to accomplish.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at April 29, 2013 10:20 AM (RZ8pf)

Do they up the number of jihadis coming in through the "Refugee" Resettlement Program?

Because that would be super.

Posted by: Leftards mailing it in since 2001 at April 29, 2013 10:20 AM (sOtz/)

"On the other hand, 75% of the public does want a border fence built."

But wait, I thought the media kept showing us polls that showed huge majorities of Americans were for legalising illegals, didn't want to fight illegal immigration, etc.?

How can this be???

Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at April 29, 2013 10:21 AM (YYJjz)

9 I cannot fathom what the GOP dickheads going along with this think they're getting out of it. No way in hell will they get any credit for helping push amnesty, and they'll get voted out of office for the next 100 years by a fresh batch of 15 million loyal Democrat voters.

Posted by: El Kabong at April 29, 2013 10:21 AM (alXVd)

10 Toomey and Manchin are going to try another run at gun control. Lovely. They will try to flip those dem no votes to a yes and find a RINO who voted no.

Posted by: Tilikum The Killer Assault Whale at April 29, 2013 10:21 AM (uhftQ)

11 I have recited it once and I will recite it again. "Just build the damn fence."

There. Now where do I sign?

Posted by: John McCain at April 29, 2013 10:21 AM (8ZskC)

12 The fence may be Imaginary but the costs won't be. I expect a Pelosi or Feinstein will be awarded the contract.

Posted by: WalrusRex at April 29, 2013 10:21 AM (BPfNg)

13 What eventually cut down on the amount of homicide bombers in Israel was not only retaliation, but a Fence. A fence and a wall around both Gaza and The West Bank. A fence truly does make good ( or better) neighbors.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 29, 2013 10:22 AM (9Bj8R)

14 Hello! New thread.

I've decided to reconsider and let the wife go fetch the boy from the airport. I'll just come home and hand over the keys to her. Seems reasonable enough, right?

Posted by: EC at April 29, 2013 10:22 AM (GQ8sn)

15 But.. but.. but.. Mexicanos are really conservative at heart!

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at April 29, 2013 10:23 AM (f9c2L)

16 The fence may be Imaginary but the costs won't be. I expect a Pelosi or Feinstein will be awarded the contract.

The Sequester will prevent us from actually funding a Virtual Fence (surprise!) so bureaucrats are hard at work designing the next best thing, the Hypothetical Fence.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at April 29, 2013 10:23 AM (8ZskC)

17 I've decided to reconsider and let the wife go fetch the boy from the airport. I'll just come home and hand over the keys to her. Seems reasonable enough, right? Posted by: EC at April 29, 2013 02:22 PM (GQ8sn) Is that exactly what she asked to do? Because if not, you're still emfuckened.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Please? at April 29, 2013 10:23 AM (VtjlW)

18 Here's a nutty thought. Enforce the laws already passed. I know, I know, that's crazypants but, hey, why not try it. It's an idea so crazy it just might work. Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Please? at April 29, 2013 02:19 PM (VtjlW) Nativist H8er!!!!11!!

Posted by: BCochran1981 at April 29, 2013 10:23 AM (da5Wo)

19 They want to be the Vichy party to our new mexican overlords. That's the problem with democracy, the ruling class figured out how to fire the voters. Amensty'll do it. of course, acting mealy mouthed about an issue that 75% of the country agrees on is only driving the independents from the GOP. right? We must out left the left on this, right?

Posted by: joeindc44 wonders what sound a democrat duck makes, is it lame lame lame? at April 29, 2013 10:24 AM (QxSug)

20 Is that exactly what she asked to do? Because if not, you're still emfuckened.

Yes, but...but I...

*looks down*

Posted by: EC at April 29, 2013 10:24 AM (GQ8sn)

21 The fence may be Imaginary but the costs won't be. I expect a Pelosi or Feinstein will be awarded the contract. Posted by: WalrusRex at April 29, 2013 02:21 PM (BPfNg) I cannot be the only one who listened to The Halfling Warrior yammering away about the need for increased surveillance and thought "Huh. I didn't know Bloomie owned a security camera company".

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Please? at April 29, 2013 10:24 AM (VtjlW)

22 Its a virtual electronic fence, only without the electronics, fence, or virtual.

Posted by: @PurpAv at April 29, 2013 10:25 AM (/gHaE)

23 Nativist H8er!!!!11!! That term has also gone the way of "racist" Both terms now mean "a person who has objective standards"

Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 29, 2013 10:26 AM (RA9t4)

24 I cannot be the only one who listened to The Halfling Warrior yammering away about the need for increased surveillance and thought "Huh. I didn't know Bloomie owned a security camera company". Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Please? at April 29, 2013 02:24 PM (VtjlW) You listened to him? I did not know that masochism was amongst your proclivities.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at April 29, 2013 10:26 AM (da5Wo)

25 Even though I'm open-borders type, in theory, this whole shell game is tiring. They won't even *complete* a fence study because it might say fences are effective!!!

Posted by: HoboJerky, profit of DOOM! at April 29, 2013 10:26 AM (1sQYD)

26 Border security? Never going to happen, and its getting weakened now. USBP positions along the border are abandoned. Large sections of the border are now patrolled only by memories of BP agents.

Posted by: AZ Hi Desert (All my Hate cannot be found) at April 29, 2013 10:26 AM (kU/5c)

or does the fence only apply to the Mexico border? Do we leave the Canadian border alone? Shouldn't we stop all those crazy Canucks from illegally immigrating too?

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at April 29, 2013 10:26 AM (RZ8pf)

28 Your major malfunction is that you refuse to understand that homosexual rights is important and Islamic terror is not.

Posted by: WalrusRex at April 29, 2013 10:26 AM (BPfNg)

29 I can't wait for the condescending thread from Malor tomorrow about how this is the wrong take on it and conservatives should embrace the liberal position on it or we're just purists.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at April 29, 2013 10:27 AM (yCvxi)

30 Our plan is to provide the Mexican government with Invisible Fence Shock Collars for their citizens. Wearing them however is fully voluntary.

Posted by: Janet NAPOLITANO!!! ROWR!! at April 29, 2013 10:27 AM (fWAjv)

31
We are just giving the country away at this point. No fence might even be viable if there were no entitlements.

Just grab from the govt everything you can get. You'll be better off.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 29, 2013 10:27 AM (jKWYf)

32 >>>28 or does the fence only apply to the Mexico border? Do we leave the Canadian border alone? Shouldn't we stop all those crazy Canucks from illegally immigrating too? Shhhhh, that's my Plan B, eh?

Posted by: El Kabong at April 29, 2013 10:27 AM (alXVd)

33 Yes, but...but I... *looks down* Ahem. Man Card please.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 29, 2013 10:27 AM (RA9t4)

34 Ace - one aspect no one seems to be addressing and that the "fence" has absolutely nothing to do with.

40% of illegal immigrants in this country are visa overstays. They flew in. Obama simply doesn't bother to look them up and tell them to go home.

All of those visa overstays will be included in any amnesty bill.

Educated people who came here on H-1B visas. Legal for work on day one!
Educated relatives of legal green card holders and citizens. Legal for work on day one!
Tons from Pakistan, India, the Philippines, China.

And a lot of these are educated people who cannot legally work. Except after day one of amnesty, that is..

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at April 29, 2013 10:27 AM (f9c2L)

35 The Republicans in Congress will work as hard to build a fence as they have been to repeal or defund or disable Obamacare.

Posted by: Comrade Arthur at April 29, 2013 10:27 AM (vHxiM)

36 But wait, I thought the media kept showing us polls that showed huge majorities of Americans were for legalising illegals, didn't want to fight illegal immigration, etc.? How can this be??? Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at April 29, 2013 02:21 PM (YYJjz) This the left conflating what people want generally(amnesty for those who'v lived here a long time and contribute to society) and what the Left wants(unlimited people on welfare rolls to mow their lawns).

Posted by: HoboJerky, profit of DOOM! at April 29, 2013 10:27 AM (1sQYD)

37 Will a fake fence keep out fake terrorists?

Posted by: dfbaskwill at April 29, 2013 10:28 AM (71LDo)

38 Do we leave the Canadian border alone? Shouldn't we stop all those crazy Canucks from illegally immigrating too?

Serious you guys. I told my dad to stop all the bullshit with the paperwork and think about just coming down and parking himself here. He'll be squared away in no time with this administration.

Posted by: EC at April 29, 2013 10:28 AM (GQ8sn)

39 18 Here's a nutty thought. Enforce the laws already passed. I know, I know, that's crazypants but, hey, why not try it. It's an idea so crazy it just might work. Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Please? at April 29, 2013 02:19 PM (VtjlW) Nativist H8er!!!!11!! Posted by: BCochran1981 at April 29, 2013 02:23 PM (da5Wo) ************** That's why build a fence, before anything else-- is as much b.s. from the right as it is the left.

Posted by: tasker at April 29, 2013 10:28 AM (r2PLg)

40 I don't understand why they don't do the fence: 1) Its popular. 2) Its stimulus 3) It would be a great confidence and bridge builder between the sides. The only Con is maybe Mexico would be angry. But we already have these fences in California, so who cares?

Posted by: sexypig at April 29, 2013 10:28 AM (dZQh7)

41 They have so many cameras on street corners in the US, why wouldn't they install cameras all along the border. They could watch you illegally cross over and have a nice party to greet you down the road.

Posted by: Caustic at April 29, 2013 10:28 AM (/b8+5)

42 The whole thing is a con

I'm convinced. Now what?

Posted by: Skandia Recluse at April 29, 2013 10:28 AM (WsTm3)

43 Ahem. Man Card please.

*reaches into backpocket*

IT'S GONE!!!!

Posted by: EC at April 29, 2013 10:28 AM (GQ8sn)

I want a stealth fence. You know the kind, it doesn't look like one is there and the minute someone tries to step close to it a fence shoots up out of the ground and a lot of sirens go off and a giant net drops and catches the person. Something dramatic.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at April 29, 2013 10:29 AM (RZ8pf)

45 Win-Win? Posted by: Mallamutt
...........
Winner!

I'll post that over at Daily Kooks and see how many "recommends" my comment gets!

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at April 29, 2013 10:29 AM (f9c2L)

46 Exijo que todos los comentarios se hicieron en espaÃ±ol.

Posted by: fluffisimo at April 29, 2013 10:29 AM (z9HTb)

47 Hire Mexicans to build the fence. Seems like an ideal solution.

Posted by: dfbaskwill at April 29, 2013 10:29 AM (71LDo)

48 We were promised enforcement in 86.

We were promised enforcement in 96.

I'm all outta legs to pull, so suck my dick.

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at April 29, 2013 10:29 AM (Yr6sH)

Its a virtual electronic fence, only without the electronics, fence, or virtual.

Posted by: @PurpAv at April 29, 2013 02:25 PM (/gHaE)

Boeing built one of these for about $300 million or so back in 2006? It was a miserable failure and abandoned.

Posted by: rd at April 29, 2013 10:29 AM (D+lxs)

50 But those millions of would-be legal citizens are totally conservative n' stuff, you guys.

Posted by: fb at April 29, 2013 10:29 AM (JVEmw)

51 Here's an idea-- "Let's peg immigration to the unemployment rate." That gets you out of a certain territory--all though Microsoft still wants to import employees from India-- instead of fighting for better schools against the Teacher's Union.

Posted by: tasker at April 29, 2013 10:29 AM (r2PLg)

52 O.K., seriously, I want someone to explain to me why it become popular to ignore or selectively enforce some laws (immigration) but, on the other hand, you are the absolute scum of the earth if you break other (e.g.....DUI).

No really..why is this?

Certain people are beneficiaries of certain broken laws, while others are not. And the pols know this and exploit it.

Posted by: EC at April 29, 2013 10:30 AM (GQ8sn)

When SB 1070 went thru in AZ, many illegals self deported.

Punish employers who knowingly hire, or should have known they'd hired illegals and the illegals will go home on their own when they can't get work.

Posted by: Tilikum The Killer Assault Whale at April 29, 2013 10:30 AM (uhftQ)

54 Is a country that doesn't enforce its borders still a country?

Posted by: dumbasdirt at April 29, 2013 10:30 AM (CFA6w)

Speaking of the immigrations, kafirs. It is April 29th, Happy Andalusian Invasion Day!

Your mushrikun and unclean Mark Steyn, may his head wander far from his shoulders, mentions this on his haram website which should be destroyed.

Posted by: Mufti Tamerlan Salahuddin Mujahid Sayf Al-Dawla Islam at April 29, 2013 10:30 AM (sOtz/)

56 I suggest the purchase of 1M gallons of white paint and we paint a 1' wide line at the border.

That's better border security than we got today

Posted by: @PurpAv at April 29, 2013 10:30 AM (32UBw)

57 Oh give me land lot's of land and the starry sky above. Don't fence me out.

Posted by: Pre-citizen at April 29, 2013 10:30 AM (BPfNg)

58 just like ghey marriage became the nation's great moral crusade of this decade, what is it about importing the third world into this country that is such an urgent thing?

Posted by: joeindc44 says President Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho 2016 at April 29, 2013 10:30 AM (QxSug)

59 This is the reason why Texas is doomed to the same path California is already on. Amnesty will further dilute citizenship and flood the Southwest with millions of undocumented Democrats, but I tend to think TX has already passed the tipping point and now we are waiting for the first undeniable symptoms to start showing.

Posted by: Che Guevara at April 29, 2013 10:30 AM (2b46R)

Half of the southern border is Texas, how are you going to put a fence in the middle of a river? And, how would you recompense the private property owners if you deprive them of their water?

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at April 29, 2013 10:30 AM (D5iHx)

61 There are 2 sides to a fence.

Posted by: dfbaskwill at April 29, 2013 10:30 AM (71LDo)

62 Good fences make good neighbors.

Posted by: wth at April 29, 2013 10:31 AM (wAQA5)

63 America doesn't build things anymore. Fences included.

Posted by: Jack Nine at April 29, 2013 10:31 AM (nsg2T)

64 No really..why is this? Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at April 29, 2013 02:28 PM ( Why even try to contemplate the thought patterns of liberals? You'll drive yourself crazy. It's like a MÃ¶bius strip of illogic. If you look at it long enough it makes sense at the exact moment you topple into insanity.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 29, 2013 10:31 AM (RA9t4)

65 why it became popular? because the democrats figure that brown people* will always vote for them because they've made the GOP the white party. And since winning power means more to the donkeys than ANYTHING including our national heritage, history, future whatever, it's a no brainer. * they openly admit this you know? It's not our fault.

Posted by: joeindc44 says President Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho 2016 at April 29, 2013 10:31 AM (QxSug)

66 52 Its a virtual electronic fence, only without the electronics, fence, or virtual. Posted by: @PurpAv at April 29, 2013 02:25 PM (/gHaE) Boeing built one of these for about $300 million or so back in 2006? It was a miserable failure and abandoned. Posted by: rd at April 29, 2013 02:29 PM (D+lxs) ************ I've debated the hell out of this with certain people--they say you still need too many boots on the ground. And you cannot do the complete border. I still wonder--why not randomize it--keep them guessing. Do that for starters? Still get arguments against that.

Posted by: tasker at April 29, 2013 10:32 AM (r2PLg)

67 O.K., seriously, I want someone to explain to me why it become popular to ignore or selectively enforce some laws (immigration) but, on the other hand, you are the absolute scum of the earth if you break other (e.g.....DUI). No really..why is this? Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at April 29, 2013 02:28 PM (OWjjx) Come on, one immediately puts people's lives in danger, the other is a more indirect risk. They're quite different. How about this one: Why is it popular to ignore immigration laws but you are the scum of the earth for evading taxes on capital gains?

Posted by: HoboJerky, profit of DOOM! at April 29, 2013 10:32 AM (1sQYD)

68 If a gay illegal invader comes over the border, and hooks up with someone here, the Department of Homeland Security considers that a "Family tie to the Community" and takes that "family relationship" into consideration if that gay illegal invader is arrested and deportment proceedings commence.

I did not know that until I just heard it on the radio.

Posted by: mama winger, maybe today at April 29, 2013 10:32 AM (P6QsQ)

69 Help It Burn, with phosphorous. and I don't want to hear a peep from you 'burn it with thermite' RINOs.

Posted by: SpongeBob Saget at April 29, 2013 10:32 AM (epxV4)

70 Agh. Sock fail.

Posted by: mongo78 at April 29, 2013 10:32 AM (2b46R)

71 Do you think I can get on the fence planning committee? I assume there is a huge stipend attached. And lots of travel to Texas with plenty of yummy Tex-Mex and non-stop pouring of margaritas. Ole!

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at April 29, 2013 10:32 AM (RZ8pf)

72 how are you going to put a fence in the middle of a river?

Sharks on tethers

Posted by: @PurpAv at April 29, 2013 10:32 AM (/gHaE)

73 Fluffy. Barrel.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 29, 2013 10:32 AM (RA9t4)

74 Shouldn't that be "amnestistas"?

Posted by: Jose de Jesus Espinosa Dominguez at April 29, 2013 10:33 AM (0gnMc)

75 Is a country that doesn't enforce its borders still a country?

I don't know but the IRS will follow you to the ends of the earth to make sure you pay your taxes, so there's that.

Posted by: mongo78 at April 29, 2013 10:34 AM (2b46R)

76 *reaches into backpocket* IT'S GONE!!!! We've noticed. Don't tell me.....your balls are gone too. Right?

Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 29, 2013 10:34 AM (RA9t4)

oooo, a random fence. That would be cool too. They could do different styles of fence. They could have fence building contests "build the coolest random border fence, win a prize"

Seriously, I am totes perfect for the fence committee.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at April 29, 2013 10:34 AM (RZ8pf)

78 I've debated the hell out of this with certain people--they say you still need too many boots on the ground.

4,000 people get you a watcher every 1/2 mile.

I'm thinking 4,000 volunteers ain't that hard to round up.

Posted by: @PurpAv at April 29, 2013 10:34 AM (/gHaE)

79 Fluffy. Barrel.

Que? No habla.

Posted by: fluffisimo at April 29, 2013 10:34 AM (z9HTb)

America is Mexico's welfare office.

Posted by: Jack Nine at April 29, 2013 10:34 AM (nsg2T)

81 This is where Rand differs. He demands that proof of border protection be provided. And, Ace, I don't know if you've seen this. They are running here in the South. Mark Zuckerberg's 'Americans for a Conservative Direction' are defending/promoting Rubio's plan: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=wEdtmfd06jE

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 29, 2013 10:35 AM (piMMO)

82 @63 Yep. Sigh. (How I wish my fiance wasn't a native Texan...)

Posted by: sunny-dee at April 29, 2013 10:35 AM (XpjIh)

83 Can we put a fence around DC and burn everything inside it? I'm not looking for a government solution. The private sector is ready, increasingly willing, and able to handle this on its own.

Posted by: JQP at April 29, 2013 10:35 AM (GVL0g)

84 Why does the have to be done by the federal government? What's to stop private interests from buying up border property and building a fence on private property?

If only a small portion, as a proof of concept project?

Posted by: Serious Cat at April 29, 2013 10:35 AM (UypUQ)

85 Help It Burn, with phosphorous. and I don't want to hear a peep from you 'burn it with thermite' RINOs. But.....but....thermite burns hotter!

Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 29, 2013 10:35 AM (RA9t4)

@8 But wait, I thought the media kept showing us polls that showed huge majorities of Americans were for legalising illegals, didn't want to fight illegal immigration, etc.?

How can this be???

------------------------------------------

Kind of like how there aren't currently anywhere between a few hundred thousand to a couple of million people (depending on who you ask) in Paris right now protesting the legalization of gay marriage?

Posted by: junior at April 29, 2013 10:36 AM (UWFpX)

87 25 Even though I'm open-borders type, in theory, this whole shell game is tiring.
They won't even *complete* a fence study because it might say fences are effective!!!
Posted by: HoboJerky, profit of DOOM! at April 29, 2013 02:26 PM (1sQYD)

I used to be open to some kind of amnesty with strict border enforcement but the pro-amnesty Gangs in the senate have tried to trick me, lied to me, and insulted me so many times in the last few years that I've become radicalized on the issue. I now absolutely refuse to consider any amnesty bill - no matter what they claim and no matter the text says. No way no how. Just NO.

Because the sheer shameless dishonesty.

Posted by: Mætenloch at April 29, 2013 10:36 AM (/3HNy)

88 The Left sees illegal immigration as a ~~victimless crime~~ human right.

FIFY.

Posted by: HeideRadieschen at April 29, 2013 10:36 AM (/kI1Q)

89
Don't tell me.....your balls are gone too. Right?

* reaches down pants *

ACK!!!

Honestly, the wife wanted to do it so I'll let her go have her moment. I just wonder what her plan is in 30 days when he has to go back. I better make my "reservation" to drive him to the airport.

Posted by: EC at April 29, 2013 10:37 AM (GQ8sn)

90 84 I've debated the hell out of this with certain people--they say you still need too many boots on the ground. 4,000 people get you a watcher every 1/2 mile. I'm thinking 4,000 volunteers ain't that hard to round up. Posted by: @PurpAv at April 29, 2013 02:34 PM (/gHaE) ************ Okay, but they seem to think you need a posse of guys to catch them and calf rope 'em. I still say--you could have a mobile unit of some sort.

Posted by: tasker at April 29, 2013 10:37 AM (r2PLg)

91 How about, for something novel, we import some foreigners to pay the taxes that Americans don't want to pay?

Posted by: fluffy at April 29, 2013 10:37 AM (z9HTb)

92 Both terms now mean "a person who has objective standards" Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 29, 2013 02:26 PM (RA9t4) No, that's a member of Team Judge and Scold.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at April 29, 2013 10:37 AM (da5Wo)

93 The debate and the law isn't over until the illegal wins. That is government/media (BIRM) policy in a nutshell. Legal Americans and legal immigrants? Targeted chumps to the game.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at April 29, 2013 10:38 AM (eHIJJ)

94 My comprehensive fencing strategy involves some dudes standing along the border with Ã©pÃ©es. You know, like Zorro.

Posted by: Marco Rubio at April 29, 2013 10:38 AM (ggRof)

But, and this is just something I've noticed with the partial fence that is supposed to fence off the retention pond near my house, the thing is if a fence only goes for a certain distance, people tend to just walk around it. I mean I guess if it went for 20 miles or something they might reconsider, but they've got all those fancy transpo networks already built up to get folks across the border, I'm sure they can handle getting around a partial fence.

By the way, I'm not opposed to a border fence, I am a kind of serious about not understanding how it could be implemented though.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at April 29, 2013 10:38 AM (RZ8pf)

96 Obama patterns himself after FDR. Building a fence could be his WPA project.

Posted by: mama winger, maybe today at April 29, 2013 10:38 AM (P6QsQ)

97 4,000 watchers, 3 shifts, 12,000 new JOBS!

I bet there's 12,000 unemployed people somewhere in those border states.

Posted by: @PurpAv at April 29, 2013 10:38 AM (/gHaE)

98 I've decided to reconsider and let the wife go fetch the boy from the airport. I'll just come home and hand over the keys to her. Seems reasonable enough, right?

Posted by: EC at April 29, 2013 02:22 PM (GQ8sn)

You're trying to be logical when it comes to a mother picking up her new marine son at the airport. Here's all you need to know....

IT'S HER SON! LET HER DO WHAT SHE WANTS!

You're welcome.

Posted by: Tami[/i][/b][/u][/s] at April 29, 2013 10:38 AM (X6akg)

99 I now absolutely refuse to consider any amnesty bill - no matter what they claim and no matter the text says. No way no how. Just NO.

+1

No amnesty. I read, and was told, all the laws I would be breaking if I ever admitted to the whole list of things that were against Federal Law during my naturalization. And now these illegals get to have the same without going through the legal process is infuriating. It just fuckin' sucks.

Posted by: EC at April 29, 2013 10:39 AM (GQ8sn)

100 Mama Winger - If you were a gay, black illegal immigrant they would give you the keys to the city! Jackpot!

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at April 29, 2013 10:40 AM (f9c2L)

101 Ahem. Man Card please. *reaches into backpocket* IT'S GONE!!!! Posted by: EC at April 29, 2013 02:28 PM (GQ8sn) Hey, at least you're still alive which is better than the way things were headed earlier.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Please? at April 29, 2013 10:40 AM (VtjlW)

102 Discretionary fencing.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon, a solid man at April 29, 2013 10:40 AM (lHb9q)

103 No, that's a member of Team Judge and Scold. You sure? Has Ace approved that rule change?

Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 29, 2013 10:40 AM (RA9t4)

104
We learned this year that the only way to get illegals to pay taxes is for them to win the lottery.

Posted by: soothsayer at April 29, 2013 10:40 AM (FC8Yl)

105 Do we leave the Canadian border alone? Shouldn't we stop all those crazy Canucks from illegally immigrating too? soon enough, Canada will be the ones building a fence to keep US out.

Posted by: BlackOrchid at April 29, 2013 10:40 AM (2up3Q)

106 I want three things to happen before I think any discussion of 'immigration reform aka amnesty' begins: 1 Unemployment rate returns to average of GWB term 2 Total number of employed returns to average of GWB term 3 Budget deficit returns to average of GWB term Our national economy sucks and throwing money at 20-30 million people is not an answer, it's throwing gasoline on a refinery fire.

Posted by: Regular Moron [/i] at April 29, 2013 10:40 AM (feFL6)

107 But.....but....thermite burns hotter! Thermite can't melt steel! Google it!

Posted by: Rosie, about half way through her second plate of delicious hog jowl fritters at April 29, 2013 10:40 AM (eyJh9)

108 This country has more fake fencing than a Zorro trilogy.

Posted by: WalrusRex at April 29, 2013 10:41 AM (BPfNg)

109 I've been telling y'all for years that it's not going to happen. Last election I was laughing at Romney/Gingrich/Santorum all trying to out-macho Perry by bragging about the huge fence they would build. As I said at the time, they were either lying or completely ignorant of the issue.

Posted by: stace at April 29, 2013 10:41 AM (DX63t)

110 We learned this year that the only way to get illegals to pay taxes is for them to win the lottery. I know; I loved that part of the story! That guy represented the vast majority of current NJ residents, too.

Posted by: BlackOrchid at April 29, 2013 10:41 AM (2up3Q)

111

This fight against amnesty is well intentioned but futile. The fence will never be built. Within a decade or so we will have had defacto amnesty. (Gun control in all but name, too.) Wanna know why? Because the liberal-minded class NEVER QUITS. They are like a swarm of locusts. No apparent external master control but each insect knows how to act within its own little sphere of influence. The result is the same every time - the landscape stripped bare.

The nanny-staters are masters of the incremental approach to achieving ever more power over others. Example - If I try and split a massive slab of oak into firewood I can use my maul all day whacking at the center point and all I achieve is exhaustion. But if I use a light maul around the edges and gradually chip away at the massive oak within an hour or so the oak slab is gone.

Fighting these people is like fighting the locusts. You might kill a few thousand but it does not stop the swarm. Given the size of the liberal swarm I do not see how we can effectively fight it. (No, you cannot kill them.)

Maybe you guys have some ideas.

I depress myself. It's Monday, where the hell was Monty?

Posted by: jj at April 29, 2013 10:41 AM (gWO5X)

112 Because the sheer shameless dishonesty. Posted by: MÃ¦tenloch at April 29, 2013 02:36 PM (/3HNy) Agreed. They can come to the table and be honest, otherwise no dice. I say: Expand work visas greatly, and amnesty people into that(NO WELFARE). Seal the border otherwise. They can get in line just like everyone else for a green card, just like someone from Mexico City applies. That might be the best pro-freedom and pro-national sanity plan we could win a majority for. I *really* want someone to offer this is a "grand compromise" from our side. Rand are you listening?

Posted by: HoboJerky, profit of DOOM! at April 29, 2013 10:42 AM (1sQYD)

113 113 Do we leave the Canadian border alone? Shouldn't we stop all those crazy Canucks from illegally immigrating too? soon enough, Canada will be the ones building a fence to keep US out. Posted by: BlackOrchid at April 29, 2013 02:40 PM (2up3Q) ************** I think one reason we could afford open borders--is we had "frontiers". We no longer have that unlocked potential particularly when most of the land is federalized and the Climate Changers will not allow you to get at the resources. Canada--however still wants immigrants, I think.

Posted by: tasker at April 29, 2013 10:42 AM (r2PLg)

114 Honestly, the wife wanted to do it so I'll let her go have her moment. I just wonder what her plan is in 30 days when he has to go back. I better make my "reservation" to drive him to the airport. Posted by: EC at April 29, 2013 02:37 PM (GQ8sn) Oh. Oh sweetie. *shakes head sadly* Soooooo. Can I have your stuff?

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Please? at April 29, 2013 10:43 AM (VtjlW)

115 You're trying to be logical when it comes to a mother picking up her new marine son at the airport. Here's all you need to know.... IT'S HER SON! LET HER DO WHAT SHE WANTS! That was my approach. Whatever Mom wanted to do, I went along with. My son also recognized the wisdom of this approach, and went along with it too.

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at April 29, 2013 10:43 AM (eyJh9)

116 Thermite can't melt steel! Google it! Sheeeeeit. I don't have to Google it. I've done it. Goes through steel alloy like a knife through butter. It was a blast.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 29, 2013 10:43 AM (RA9t4)

117 More than a few of the 20 who stage hog this forum, luv this blog also luv them Mexicans

Posted by: R and G Ready for duty at April 29, 2013 10:43 AM (p1ynR)

118 117 I've been telling y'all for years that it's not going to happen. Last election I was laughing at Romney/Gingrich/Santorum all trying to out-macho Perry by bragging about the huge fence they would build. As I said at the time, they were either lying or completely ignorant of the issue. Posted by: stace at April 29, 2013 02:41 PM (DX63t) ************ Yep.

Posted by: tasker at April 29, 2013 10:44 AM (r2PLg)

119 The fence may be Imaginary but the costs won't be. Motion-sensing lasers set to refried beaner.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 29, 2013 10:44 AM (GFM2b)

120 Meanwhile Vic linked to a 'front door' immigration policy a while back. Off the top of my head you had to have 500k to invest in a business that created 10 jobs for five years. I don't have a problem with that.

Posted by: Regular Moron [/i] at April 29, 2013 10:44 AM (feFL6)

121

@ 102 But, and this is just something I've noticed with the partial fence that is supposed to fence off the retention pond near my house, the thing is if a fence only goes for a certain distance, people tend to just walk around it. I mean I guess if it went for 20 miles or something they might reconsider, but they've got all those fancy transpo networks already built up to get folks across the border, I'm sure they can handle getting around a partial fence.

By the way, I'm not opposed to a border fence, I am a kind of serious about not understanding how it could be implemented though.

--------------------------------

You block the easiest routes, and put impediments in place on the more difficult ones. At the very least, all of the farmers and ranchers living along the border who currently get lots and lots of nocturnal foot traffic (and worse) across their property will be appreciative. But more importantly, the fact that certain areas have fences will funnel the traffic to areas that can't have fences for whatever reason. And you can focus your manpower on those areas. A handful of drones, for instance, would probably be able to interdict the open areas without too much difficulty once you blocked off the easier routes.

Posted by: junior at April 29, 2013 10:44 AM (UWFpX)

122 Oh. Oh sweetie. *shakes head sadly*

Soooooo. Can I have your stuff?

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Please? at April 29, 2013 02:43 PM (VtjlW)

Actually, that will be in the morning, so we can both drive out together. It works!

Posted by: EC at April 29, 2013 10:44 AM (GQ8sn)

123 Soooooo. Can I have your stuff? Geez, AtC, he's already lost his Man Card, and his balls. I mean, what else does he have left besides a tiny shred of dignity and self-........ Ohhhhhhhhh. I get it.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 29, 2013 10:45 AM (RA9t4)

124 Sheeeeeit. I don't have to Google it. I've done it. Goes through steel alloy like a knife through butter. It was a blast. Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 29, 2013 02:43 PM (RA9t4) I want you to know that I am happy you had that experience. Not seethingly jealous. Happy. What's that? That lovely green glow I have? Oh don't mind that, I just fell into a vat of gamma radiation earlier, nothing to worry about.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Please? at April 29, 2013 10:45 AM (VtjlW)

125
Somehow I think when the debt bill comes due and all these new immigrants taking advantage of entitlements are asked to now pay up, they'll hightail it back to whatever country mothered them.*

They should pray for Zero Interest Rates Forever (tm).

*Kinda makes me laugh at CA as all the govt pensioners leave to much better environs as they collect their CA money.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 29, 2013 10:46 AM (jKWYf)

126 Posted by: MÃ¦tenloch at April 29, 2013 02:36 PM (/3HNy) Hey! There used to be a guy who posted the ONTs with that nic. You know him?

Posted by: BCochran1981 at April 29, 2013 10:46 AM (da5Wo)

127 Simply line our border with all that nuclear waste they won't let us bury.

Posted by: zsasz at April 29, 2013 10:46 AM (MMC8r)

128 "Fencing strategy" = thrust and parry with a stupid fruity foil, while wearing white tights and a screen mask.

Posted by: wooga at April 29, 2013 10:46 AM (2wsy0)

129 Hey! There used to be a guy who posted the ONTs with that nic. You know him?

That's not how you spell CDR M.

Posted by: EC at April 29, 2013 10:46 AM (GQ8sn)

130 And how about the real fence, the law? As in, it's illegal to be here illegally, end of story?

Posted by: t-bird at April 29, 2013 10:47 AM (FcR7P)

131 Both borders (north and south) are pretty darn long
May I do some yard work for you, PGiS? For you $10 an hour.

Posted by: andycanuck at April 29, 2013 10:47 AM (mGBy8)

132 What's that? That lovely green glow I have? Oh don't mind that, I just fell into a vat of gamma radiation earlier, nothing to worry about. Lemon square?

Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 29, 2013 10:47 AM (RA9t4)

133 Fighting these people is like fighting the locusts. You might kill a few thousand but it does not stop the swarm. Given the size of the liberal swarm I do not see how we can effectively fight it. (No, you cannot kill them.) There's the problem right there.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 29, 2013 10:47 AM (GFM2b)

134

The dems know that the majority of the nation don't want amnesty. They want the fence. They know that people who advocate this are despised.

That's why they made Rubio the front man on this.

This isn't about amnesty or the border. This is about destroying a popular republican.

Rubio should have known better.

Posted by: Soona at April 29, 2013 10:47 AM (WWZL7)

135

If you want more border control including a fence, you have to get the media and politicians on your side.

You do that by ignoring the illegal immigrant argument and start emphasizing the potential for terrorists to infiltrate the country and the drugs and drug wars that are spilling over the border. You pound that into the news daily.

Posted by: polynikes at April 29, 2013 10:48 AM (m2CN7)

136 Lemon square?

She prefers tea. Like this:

http://oi40.tinypic.com/21eamf.jpg

Posted by: EC at April 29, 2013 10:48 AM (GQ8sn)

137 Sheeeeeit. I don't have to Google it. I've done it. Goes through steel alloy like a knife through butter. It was a blast. Did it make an airplane shaped hole? If it didn't make an airplane shaped whole then it was faked!

Posted by: Rosie, About half way through her third bucket of Extra Crispy at April 29, 2013 10:48 AM (eyJh9)

138 Rubio should have known better. Posted by: Soona at April 29, 2013 02:47 PM (WWZL7) So, are you suggesting he is the puppet not the puppeteer?

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet is no longer shamelessly hawking his book Amy Lynn available on amazon. at April 29, 2013 10:49 AM (XIxXP)

139 Canada--however still wants immigrants, I think.

If you got skilz, if you're a leech, not so much

Posted by: @PurpAv at April 29, 2013 10:49 AM (/gHaE)

140 The fence should be made up of a series of giant Newton's Cradles. Then crossing the border illegally will be a real life video game.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at April 29, 2013 10:49 AM (wrS2o)

141 Posted by: Soona at April 29, 2013 02:47 PM (WWZL7)

This is actually a win for republicans, they got to find out all Rubio's peculiarities, BEFORE they nominated him for president.

Posted by: Caustic at April 29, 2013 10:49 AM (/b8+5)

142 If you got skilz, if you're a leech, not so much

Their "refugee status" is still broken though.

Posted by: EC at April 29, 2013 10:49 AM (GQ8sn)

143 I've spent thousands of dollars and endless hassle on my wife's green card. I wanna know what purpose the INS serves other than harassing people like me for simply trying to follow the law.

Posted by: El Guapo at April 29, 2013 10:49 AM (2iGYB)

144

Posted by: mama winger, maybe today at April 29, 2013 02:32 PM (P6QsQ)

Yes, that is a new and revolting development that this abomination of an Administration came out with.

How is your mother doing? Santa Cruz County is getting flooded with unregistered Democrats. And I am not seeing anywhere near the level of USBP participation in this game that I used to.

Posted by: AZ Hi Desert (All my Hate cannot be found) at April 29, 2013 10:49 AM (kU/5c)

145 Canada--however still wants immigrants, I think.

They're kinda picky about who they will allow. As is their right; I just wish we could be picky, too.

http://www.workpermit.com/canada/points_calculator.htm

Posted by: HeideRadieschen at April 29, 2013 10:49 AM (/kI1Q)

146 The fence should be made up of a series of giant Newton's Cradles.

Or a "Wipeout" course.

With alligators, natch.

Posted by: Waterhouse at April 29, 2013 10:50 AM (nbX4o)

147 You block the easiest routes, and put impediments in place on the more difficult ones. At the very least, all of the farmers and ranchers living along the border who currently get lots and lots of nocturnal foot traffic (and worse) across their property will be appreciative. But more importantly, the fact that certain areas have fences will funnel the traffic to areas that can't have fences for whatever reason. And you can focus your manpower on those areas. A handful of drones, for instance, would probably be able to interdict the open areas without too much difficulty once you blocked off the easier routes.

Posted by: junior at April 29, 2013 02:44 PM (UWFpX)

^^^

That's what I'm thinking.

Posted by: Serious Cat at April 29, 2013 10:51 AM (UypUQ)

148

How about one of those invisible pet fences? Now all we need are several million neck collars. Hmmmm.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon, a solid man at April 29, 2013 10:51 AM (lHb9q)

149 Missiles fired at Russian passenger jet flying over Syria.

Posted by: tasker at April 29, 2013 10:51 AM (r2PLg)

150 I ahve a solution for "the fence" that will make the mules happy, McCain Happy, and the family 10077 happy....

pay me to build it and hold me to ICE standards....

I kick back 15% to OFA and everyone wins.

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at April 29, 2013 10:51 AM (LRFds)

151 Missiles fired at Russian passenger jet flying over Syria.

YOU HAD ONE JOB!

Posted by: EC at April 29, 2013 10:52 AM (GQ8sn)

152
There is only ONE question to be asked and Rush had asked it of Rubio:

"Why are we doing this, anyway?"

Rubio had no answer.

Until that question can be answered, there should be no further discussion.

Posted by: soothsayer at April 29, 2013 10:52 AM (Y4TdB)

153

@160 I ahve a solution for "the fence" that will make the mules happy, McCain Happy, and the family 10077 happy....

pay me to build it and hold me to ICE standards....

I kick back 15% to OFA and everyone wins.

----------------------------

Too late. DiFi's husband already has a contingency deal offering 20% to OFA in the event that the fence somehow comes to pass.

Posted by: junior at April 29, 2013 10:52 AM (UWFpX)

154 155 Canada--however still wants immigrants, I think. They're kinda picky about who they will allow. As is their right; I just wish we could be picky, too. http://www.workpermit.com/canada/points_calculator.htm Posted by: HeideRadieschen at April 29, 2013 02:49 PM (/kI1Q) *********** Thanks, Heather I'll check that out. Wonder if they are as strict about getting to their own natural resources?

Posted by: tasker at April 29, 2013 10:52 AM (r2PLg)

155 Don't we have National guardsman and women that have to stand duty 2 weeks out of the year? What great training, border security and drug/human smuggling interdiction.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet is no longer shamelessly hawking his book Amy Lynn available on amazon. at April 29, 2013 10:52 AM (XIxXP)

156 Fence, you say?

I want a MINEFIELD built. And manned forts along the length, to mount regular and merciless patrols of the border.

A modern-day Hadrian's Wall, in other words. Keep the barbarians out.

Posted by: Stu-22 at April 29, 2013 10:52 AM (k4bdL)

157 If we came up with various acceptable barrier methods and opened it up for bid by the mile or ten or a hundred, we'd have excavation companies, fencing companies, high-tech security companies, concrete companies, even freaking food vendors lined up for miles to work on or in support of the "fence". It's not all that daunting a task, there's just a lot of it.

Posted by: Lincolntf at April 29, 2013 10:52 AM (ZshNr)

158 I want a stealth fence. You know the kind, it doesn't look like one is there and the minute someone tries to step close to it a fence shoots up out of the ground and a lot of sirens go off and a giant net drops and catches the person. Something dramatic.

I have a design. When the immigrant drops his load of marijuana, it causes a ball to roll down a trough, triggering a bucket of water to spill, filling a tall tube which causes a spring-loaded device to fire a metal slug, activating a swinging knife that cuts a rope attached to a giant spring loaded hammer, smashing the intruder. It's totally green and will require a grant of $100 billion from the Department of Energy to start work on a prototype.

Posted by: Rube Goldberg at April 29, 2013 10:53 AM (8ZskC)

159 Missiles fired at Russian passenger jet flying over Syria.

Posted by: tasker at April 29, 2013 02:51 PM (r2PLg)

This should be interesting.

I wonder if the Russian Bear still has his claws?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 29, 2013 10:54 AM (/WLC3)

160
I'd guess the next thing for the 'rebels' to do is take a few American hostages or kill some Americans, and then blame Assad.

Posted by: soothsayer at April 29, 2013 10:54 AM (Ba6aP)

161 163 Junior,

Okay I'll give 25% to OFA and not build a link....

see everyone wins!

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at April 29, 2013 10:54 AM (LRFds)

162 Rush running interference for El Marco right now.

"Rubio's trying to make in-roads to the Hispanic community..."

Bubbye Rush.

Posted by: Attila at April 29, 2013 10:55 AM (Cs2tJ)

163 I wonder if the Russian Bear still has his claws? Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 29, 2013 02:54 PM (/WLC3) It depends, If putin removes his shirt, all bets are off.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet is no longer shamelessly hawking his book Amy Lynn available on amazon. at April 29, 2013 10:55 AM (XIxXP)

164 It's not all that daunting a task, there's just a lot of it.
Posted by: Lincolntf at April 29, 2013 02:52 PM

You want one of Choom Boy's buddyroos building the fence?

The gubmint's track record in shelling out monstrous sums of money to the Connected Few is rather pathetic (see, Fisker, Henrik)....

Posted by: MrScribbler at April 29, 2013 10:55 AM (mHrip)

165 >>>Or a "Wipeout" course Go with the far superior predecessor: Most Extreme Elimination Challenge. "Watch out for the diddler!"

Posted by: wooga at April 29, 2013 10:55 AM (2wsy0)

166 Mmmm, bear claws.

Posted by: Waterhouse has pastries on the brain at April 29, 2013 10:55 AM (nbX4o)

167 Rush: "Rubio is a Thoroughbred conservative..."

Posted by: Attila at April 29, 2013 10:55 AM (Cs2tJ)

168

Someone ask the Gang of Eight:

How much will this plan reduce illegal immigration - in numbers, per year?

Just for the hell of it.

Posted by: CJ at April 29, 2013 10:55 AM (9KqcB)

169 169 Missiles fired at Russian passenger jet flying over Syria. Posted by: tasker at April 29, 2013 02:51 PM (r2PLg) This should be interesting. I wonder if the Russian Bear still has his claws? Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 29, 2013 02:54 PM (/WLC3) ************ Ya, that's going to get really interesting--like a heart attack. I assume it was the rebels--who are being "sponsored" with funding by Qatar, and whatever the hell Turkey is doing. Battle by proxy....oy-.

Posted by: tasker at April 29, 2013 10:55 AM (r2PLg)

170 Hmmm, not from the Onion. Climate change will push more woman to 'transactional sex' for survival.

Posted by: RWC at April 29, 2013 10:56 AM (fWAjv)

171 WHITE HOUSE COMMENDS JASON COLLINS ON COMING OUT AP 4/29/2013 5:00:29 PM (AP) White House commends Jason Collins on coming out WASHINGTON The White House is commending NBA veteran Jason Collins for becoming the first active male player in the four major American professional sports to come out as gay. White House spokesman Jay Carney called that decision courageous and says the White House supports Collins. He says he hopes the 34-year-old center's team will also offer support. Carney says the White House views Collins' decision as another example of progress and evolution in the U.S. as Americans grow more accepting of gay rights and same-sex marriage. Last year, during his re-election campaign, Obama announced his support for gay marriage. What a crock. Hey White House, fuck that and pay attention to the economy and Foreign Policy. Ah actually i take that back- go play golf and worry about gay rights instead and leave the rest for the Republican COngress.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 29, 2013 10:56 AM (9Bj8R)

172 Alternative idea:

Giant towers with high-powered telescopic cameras. So high that these cameras can view and scan a 10 mile area of the border. Eventually computer image analysis should be able to automatically pick out infrared signatures and distinguish animal from person. When they get a hit, they zoom in on the group passing through and send out directions for a border patrol agent to ~~interject~~ intercept.

Posted by: Serious Cat at April 29, 2013 10:56 AM (UypUQ)

173 Battle by proxy....oy-. Posted by: tasker at April 29, 2013 02:55 PM (r2PLg) Well, it's a darwinian whittling of muzzy extremists.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet is no longer shamelessly hawking his book Amy Lynn available on amazon. at April 29, 2013 10:56 AM (XIxXP)

174 She prefers tea. Like this: http://oi40.tinypic.com/21eamf.jpg Posted by: EC at April 29, 2013 02:48 PM (GQ8sn) Well played. Well played indeed.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Please? at April 29, 2013 10:56 AM (VtjlW)

175 Spend half of what we spend on illegals per year, that thing will be up in no time.

Posted by: Lincolntf at April 29, 2013 10:56 AM (ZshNr)

176 Just so I have this straight. For years and years and years, the politicians and federal govt have hemmed, hawed, and flat out lied about building "the fence(tm)". As a result, 30 million illegals have entered our country because they have refused to build the fence they said they would build. At which point...CRISIS!! And the only solution (which happens to be what they've secretly wanted all along) is to grant these millions upon millions of illegals citizenship. I think I've got it now. The We Must Do Something Crowd wants it to appear as if these people are wandering the desert with nowhere to go. They DO have their own country. If only they put half as much effort into making theirs wonderful as they do wanting to suck the lifeblood out of mine...

Posted by: Lady in Black at April 29, 2013 10:57 AM (6oieS)

177 Climate change will push more woman to 'transactional sex' for survival.

Posted by: RWC at April 29, 2013 02:56 PM (fWAjv)

When has it not been 'transactional sex' ?

Posted by: polynikes at April 29, 2013 10:57 AM (m2CN7)

178 WHITE HOUSE COMMENDS JASON COLLINS ON COMING OUT
AP 4/29/2013 5:00:29 PM
(AP) White House commends Jason Collins on coming out
WASHINGTON
The White House is commending NBA veteran Jason Collins for becoming the first active male player in the four major American professional sports to come out as gay.

....

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 29, 2013 02:56 PM (9Bj8R)

Jebus! Pander much, White House?

Posted by: Serious Cat at April 29, 2013 10:57 AM (UypUQ)

179 Missiles fired at Russian passenger jet flying over Syria. Posted by: tasker at April 29, 2013 02:51 PM (r2PLg) This should be interesting. I wonder if the Russian Bear still has his claws? Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 29, 2013 02:54 PM (/WLC3) It was flying from Egypt to somewhere else- not Syria. I doubt who ever fired the missile even knew it was a Ruskie plane. Curious timing

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 29, 2013 10:57 AM (9Bj8R)

180 Extreme Elimination Challenge

Prune juice, coffee and cayenne pepper.

Posted by: fluffy at April 29, 2013 10:58 AM (z9HTb)

181 Maybe we can compromise: Build the fence along the border, but call it the San Diego-Brownsville hi-speed rail line...

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at April 29, 2013 10:58 AM (SO2Q8)

182 I'm not looking so quaint now, am I?

Posted by: Great Wall of China at April 29, 2013 10:58 AM (6H6o8)

183 Punish employers who knowingly hire, or should have known they'd hired illegals and the illegalswill go home on their own when they can't get work.

The thing is, this sort of immigration deal would be a slam-dunk sell with the voting public. "We're not going to punish brown people, just big rich corporations that don't play by the rules."

The part where it would hurt Tyson Chicken, a major funder of Clinton, Inc., going into 2016 wouldn't be half bad either.

Posted by: Ian S. at April 29, 2013 10:58 AM (B/VB5)

184 My personal opinion is that we are well past the point where either the system or those currently running it have a true right to claim allegiance and loyalty; to claim legitimacy, because it and they simply will not deal honestly. Bait and switch, bait and switch, dissemble, distract, demonize, bait and switch. That is all it ever is anymore. Their imperial wills simply will not be thwarted. Since the system is increasingly authoritarian, I expect no change in course, nor, absent resort to arms of some sort, any recourse. But, for the record, I simply do not believe in this system or those running it, or the cultural milieu behind it and them, and I will not sacrifice for it except as I am compelled to. Which though, in today's America, is a bit.

Posted by: T. at April 29, 2013 10:58 AM (zw0Sm)

185 182 Battle by proxy....oy-. Posted by: tasker at April 29, 2013 02:55 PM (r2PLg) Well, it's a darwinian whittling of muzzy extremists. Posted by: Oldsailors Poet is no longer shamelessly hawking his book Amy Lynn available on amazon. at April 29, 2013 02:56 PM (XIxXP) ********** Obama has opened Pandora's Box. Turkey is freaking me out. What the hell.

Posted by: tasker at April 29, 2013 10:59 AM (r2PLg)

186 Any bets on the verdict in the Gosnell trial?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 29, 2013 10:59 AM (9Bj8R)

187 Any bets on the verdict in the Gosnell trial?

I know what the verdict should be, but then again, I also know what the verdict will be.

Posted by: EC at April 29, 2013 11:00 AM (GQ8sn)

188 Why don't the house republicans come up with an immigration reform bill that repeals Ted Kennedy's 1965 immigration reform bill?
I'd love to see job/sponsor requirements, english fluency requirements, no welfare, no retiree immigration (so they don't come for social security) no chain immigration, a fence, instant deportations for those caught at the border, and billing for medical services (just because we have to accept them doesn't mean they don't have to pay), reduction/elimination of student visas (especially from the middle east) and all as separate bills. Let the Senate kill immigration reform.

Posted by: Iblis at April 29, 2013 11:00 AM (9221z)

189 Put 19 year old John Schultz on the border- http://tinyurl.com/cnbqtcu Man walks neighborhood with rifle, scares ~~neighbors~~ one neighbor. The rest think he's doing a great job. (.303 Enfield, not an EBR- boogity boogity)

Posted by: RWC at April 29, 2013 11:00 AM (fWAjv)

190 It was flying from Egypt to somewhere else- not Syria. I doubt who ever fired the missile even knew it was a Ruskie plane. Curious timing Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 29, 2013 02:57 PM (9Bj8R) ********** Hmm... I read it was "over Syria". I'll go re-check I assumed it was over Syrian airspace.

Posted by: tasker at April 29, 2013 11:00 AM (r2PLg)

191 At best he gets busted fort he women...

my gut tells me he walks....

then fate will get justice

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at April 29, 2013 11:01 AM (LRFds)

192 So, are you suggesting he is the puppet not the puppeteer?

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet is no longer shamelessly hawking his book Amy Lynn available on amazon. at April 29, 2013 02:49 PM (XIxXP)

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In a number of ways, yes. I think Rubio is being a naive, giddy fool, especially throwing in with the likes of Chucky Schumer.

I'm sure the carrot dangled in front of him was telling him that he'd be remembered as the guy that set the hispanics free. The temptation of fame and glory, especially for a politician, will induce many to turn their backs on more solid and moral principles.

Posted by: Soona at April 29, 2013 11:01 AM (WWZL7)

193 Any bets on the verdict in the Gosnell trial? Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 29, 2013 02:59 PM (9Bj8R) I don't know. How shameful is that? If he does get out he should get used to Kevelar and running in a zig zag pattern. He made Tiller look almost legit.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet is no longer shamelessly hawking his book Amy Lynn available on amazon. at April 29, 2013 11:01 AM (XIxXP)

194 How is your mother doing? Santa Cruz County is getting flooded with unregistered Democrats. And I am not seeing anywhere near the level of USBP participation in this game that I used to.

Posted by: AZ Hi Desert (All my Hate cannot be found) at April 29, 2013 02:49 PM (kU/5c)

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She's doing well. Thank you so much for asking. They got a dog a few weeks ago, so at least they have a hairy barking deterrent with teeth now.

Posted by: mama winger, maybe today at April 29, 2013 11:01 AM (P6QsQ)

195 Any bets on the verdict in the Gosnell trial?

Not guilty on all charges, and Gosnell will eventually be awarded damages for libel/slander or something retarded.

Posted by: GMan at April 29, 2013 11:01 AM (sxq57)

196 I know what the verdict should be, but then again, I also know what the verdict will be. Posted by: EC at April 29, 2013 03:00 PM (GQ8sn) You think they will let him go free? What is the make-up of the jury? Anyone know

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 29, 2013 11:01 AM (9Bj8R)

197 Rush running interference for El Marco right now.

"Rubio's trying to make in-roads to the Hispanic community..."

Bubbye Rush.

He's not trying to make inroads to the national Hispanic community.

He's trying to make inroads with Florida Latinos. He doesn't give two shits about the consequences to the country as a whole or the long term effects. He's only concerned with cementing a permanent incumbency for himself.

So yeah- fuck Marco Rubio, fuck him right up his traitorous ass.

I actually do hope he runs for President in 2016, but only so the national base gets the opportunity to rip the flip-flopping backstabber a new asshole.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at April 29, 2013 11:01 AM (SY2Kh)

198

*Kinda makes me laugh at CA as all the govt pensioners leave to much better environs as they collect their CA money.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 29, 2013 02:46 PM (jKWYf)

Yep. This is where the crunch is going to come vis a vis public sector unions in CA: when the choice comes down to paying active, working union members, or inactive, retired union members, many of whom will be living in other states (and hence no longer CA voters).

The first sign of the train wreck's imminence: when liberal organs (?) such as the LA Times and SF Chronicle start running articles about CA state retirees collecting huge pensions while living in other states. That's when you'll know that those retirees are being teed up for a good reamout.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at April 29, 2013 11:02 AM (IDSI7)

199

WASHINGTON

The White House is commending NBA veteran Jason Collins for becoming
the first active male player in the four major American professional
sports to come out as gay.

Also President Obama appreicates not being the only famous basketball player now to be accused of shooting basketball like a fag.

Posted by: polynikes at April 29, 2013 11:02 AM (m2CN7)

200 Oldsailors Poet: "So, are you suggesting he is the puppet not the puppeteer?"

Initially I'd have gone with puppet. Endearing, naive, hopeful puppet. With his subsequent doubling down after holes and loopholes were found by critics - AND the concomitant lying - there's no way he's not a puppeteer. The fact that he's the face of it all makes him Lead Puppeteer.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at April 29, 2013 11:02 AM (eHIJJ)

201 A whole mess of seemingly entangled issues. They aren't. A fence is mandatory. Build it now, or start firing those in the way of building it now. This is not a GOP issue, this is something we as a country should be doing. Those whom oppose it are simply idiots. Doesn't matter their party affiliation. The next issue is a red-meat socon issue, which by its very definition, is something we should run away from, as fast, and as hard as we possibly can. Its a failure of an issue. Its divisive. Its alienating. Its negative. It shrinks our possible base. I am talking about amnesty. I am sick and tired of hearing people screaming about amnesty. I really, truly, don't give a shit, and most of the country doesn't either. They are here, let em pay taxes. They are here, let em use our services (after paying taxes). Because nothing will drive the socialist agenda into the fucking dirt faster than a ClowardÂ–Piven strategy aimed directly at the heart of the matter. That is, they are the anvil against which Obamacare will be hammered by a massive influx of consumers without much/any in the way of new contributions. Nothing says bankruptcy faster than driving up the costs so far above projections, that the regime in power will face several impossible scenarios, with the only possible avenue being to turn off Obamacare for the good of the country. Create a real guest worker system, give them documentation, give them access to be here provided they have a job or can show that they are supported by someone with a job, and listed on tax forms to that effect. Don't enable them to go on welfare, they have to leave if they can't afford to be here. Be completely reasonable, and compassionate about them. Don't assume that Latinos and Latinas are going to vote for the other team. My inlaws are Latino, and they vote in the majority for non-democratic candidates. Only a few vote for dems. Contrast this with my jewish and black relatives and inlaws, whom by and large, vote for the regime in power, despite the regime in power actively working against their individual and combined interests. Assume my fellow tribesmen and women are basically stupid, that 60% of us are too brain dead to comprehend how bad the democrats are. But most importantly, don't make assumptions about that which you don't know. I see people who risk it all to come and work here as being my fiscal fellow travelers. They understand that risk and reward are correlated, that there is value for hard work, and that no one should be able to take their hard work and redistribute it. Those frothing at the mouth over "amnesty" completely miss this reality. They don't get it. The dems don't either, and they mistakenly assume that Latinos are by and large going to vote for them, and they should have low expectations in life so they won't rock the boat. The racism of low expectations. Let us not sink to the dems level. Treat these people with compassion, with respect, give them a legal basis for remaining, and toss the fucking punitive language and measures. If you don't get why this such language and measures are wrong, you might be a socon. Try to drop that, and come back into the growing tent.

Posted by: Joe in MI at April 29, 2013 11:02 AM (3R8wQ)

202 I'm sure the carrot dangled in front of him was telling him that he'd be remembered as the guy that set the hispanics free. The temptation of fame and glory, especially for a politician, will induce many to turn their backs on more solid and moral principles. Posted by: Soona at April 29, 2013 03:01 PM (WWZL7) If he is that stupid he should be nowhere near the reigns of power.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet is no longer shamelessly hawking his book Amy Lynn available on amazon. at April 29, 2013 11:02 AM (XIxXP)

203 Spend half of what we spend on illegals per year, that thing will be up in no time.

We should run our own coyote service and charge $1,000/head to get in. We'll guarantee you 48 hours head start once across the border.

That'll fund the fence.

Posted by: @PurpAv at April 29, 2013 11:03 AM (/gHaE)

204

I heard this morning that the USDA is publishing pamphlets and providing them to the Mexican government. The pamphlets state that you do not have to decalre your immigration status.

Why are officials at the USDA not sitting in prison? How dare they promise away our money? How in the fuck do Democrats ever get elected?

That last question is rhetorical.

Posted by: LGoPs at April 29, 2013 11:04 AM (4x8W0)

205 Any bets on the verdict in the Gosnell trial? *** Kirsten Powers and Shannon Bream are tweeting the trial. https://twitter.com/kirstenpowers10 https://twitter.com/ShannonBream

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 29, 2013 11:04 AM (piMMO)

206 Punish employers who knowingly hire, or should have known they'd hired illegals Cue whine #432: But, but, but, how were they supposed to knowwwwww????

Posted by: rickb223 at April 29, 2013 11:04 AM (GFM2b)

207 (AP) White House commends Jason Collins on coming out
WASHINGTON
The White House is commending NBA veteran Jason Collins for becoming the first active male player in the four major American professional sports to come out as gay.

White House spokesman Jay Carney called that decision courageous and says the White House supports Collins.

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Is OBama handing out trophies now to big brave basketball players? This is noteworthy? What is this foolishness?

Posted by: mama winger, maybe today at April 29, 2013 11:04 AM (P6QsQ)

208 My inlaws are Latino, and they vote in the majority for non-democratic candidates.

Ahh, yes. Anecdotal evidence being employed to fucking give criminals citizenship.

No.

Posted by: GMan at April 29, 2013 11:04 AM (sxq57)

209 195 Any bets on the verdict in the Gosnell trial? Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 29, 2013 02:59 PM (9Bj8R) Is that going to be today?

Posted by: RWC at April 29, 2013 11:05 AM (fWAjv)

210 (AP) White House commends Jason Collins on coming out Obama calls him the NBA's best ball handler.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet is no longer shamelessly hawking his book Amy Lynn available on amazon. at April 29, 2013 11:05 AM (XIxXP)

211 new thread up

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 29, 2013 11:05 AM (piMMO)

212 Even though a complete fence will never be built, there's more they should doing. Texas is more than half the border, the feds allocate much less than half for Texas, and Tank Napolitano keeps bragging about how crime is down in border states. This is true only if you look at FBI index crimes: murder, robbery, rape, assault etc which have been falling in the US for decades. If you look at other crimes like ID fraud, drug smuggling, human trafficking (including little girls for sex trade) and other organized crime, those are up. Prison gangs are working with the cartels. Every year the bodies of hundreds of dead illegals are found on Texas ranches. We need more people, drones, some fencing, stuff like that. Its hard to build solid fencing in Texas because the fence has be built well north of the river, but you can keep on building sections as they have been. I do have to say though it's somewhat comical to see how short some of the existing sections are. I was looking at the Del Rio section a few weeks ago. Right by the official crossing the fence looks like the one used to confine dinosaurs in Jurassic Park. After a few hundred yards it peters down to a regular livestock fence that an old bag like me could step over.

Posted by: stace at April 29, 2013 11:06 AM (DX63t)

213 Jason Collins also pinky swears he will not look at his teammate's junk when they shower. And if they don't believe him, they're homophobes and racists and ignorant and intolerant.

Posted by: polynikes at April 29, 2013 11:07 AM (m2CN7)

214 Is that going to be today? Posted by: RWC at April 29, 2013 03:05 PM (fWAjv) Closing arguments today

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 29, 2013 11:08 AM (9Bj8R)

215 Closing arguments today Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 29, 2013 03:08 PM (9Bj8R) Thanks. Walking on all counts except for the 3rd degree murder - which may be dropped to a lesser charge.

Posted by: RWC at April 29, 2013 11:12 AM (fWAjv)

216

WHITE HOUSE COMMENDS JASON COLLINS ON COMING OUT

Someone get that staged photo of Obama looking out the window in silence for the Boston bombing and photoshop in an NBA shower.

Posted by: CJ at April 29, 2013 11:12 AM (9KqcB)

217 If the Senate were serious about border security, they wouldn't be holding it hostage to Amnesty.

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at April 29, 2013 11:13 AM (QXlbZ)

218 225
WHITE HOUSE COMMENDS JASON COLLINS ON COMING OUT

Someone get that staged photo of Obama looking out the window in silence for the Boston bombing and photoshop in an NBA shower.

Posted by: CJ at April 29, 2013 03:12 PM (9KqcB)

Wow, guess that means he can keep his whole salary cause there aren't a bunch of baby mamas clamoring to get their hands on it. so, that's a plus, right?

Posted by: Caustic at April 29, 2013 11:23 AM (/b8+5)

219 "...or study it for environmental impacts."

That right there ensures that any kind of effective barrier will never be built.

Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at April 29, 2013 11:27 AM (vd7A8)

220 We learned this year that the only way to get illegals to pay taxes is for them to win the lottery. I know; I loved that part of the story! That guy represented the vast majority of current NJ residents, too. Posted by: BlackOrchid at April 29, 2013 02:41 PM (2up3Q) ____________________________ I liked the part about how he has lived here for 26 years and still doesn't speak English. And the part about how he was $30k in arrears on his child support. These illegals just want to be good Americans! Good, non-English-speaking, deadbeat dad Americans!

Posted by: Horrified Observer at April 29, 2013 11:58 AM (/sohm)

221 This was my problem with every repub pol that goes on the radio and is confronted with these new laws they sign on for. Toomey was questioned about his gun bill and the potential for a national registry. "It would be illegal to do that, they would face 15 years in prison". The reply from the host was "And who would enforce that? Look at Fast & Furious". Toomey had no answer. Same stupidity is on display here. "It would be illegal to not build the fence". Really? Who would enforce that?

Posted by: realityman at April 29, 2013 12:06 PM (obXkJ)

222

Eh, electrify the fence, what isn't fried will drown...

Posted by: Oopsy at April 29, 2013 12:06 PM (ErUlJ)

223 You know at one time I would have voted for Rubio as President, now I have doubts if I would vote for him as dog catcher and certainly not Senator again. He is showing that he is just another lying squishy RINO and I don't understand why. Is it that he feels this is a human rights issue and therefore his sense of morality requires him to push this by any means necessary including flat out lying? Or does he believe the big lie that Hispanics are natural conservatives and therefore 20 million new citizens and unlimited new ones will give the movement a huge voting block? I really want to know otherwise the only thing left is he is just really really stupid.

Posted by: Oldcrow at April 29, 2013 04:14 PM (5rZQj)

224 The Republican Party is not in the business of winning now, after Obama's second win. The Republican Party is about war against the right, and about suits consolidating themselves in power so that they can continue to rake in the graft. Giving the Democrats a permanent majority is fine, as they see it. Respectable Republicans just want money in their own pockets. Anything that "important donors" want, they can probably have for a price. If someone told Rubio, "do this, and there'll be big money in it for you," that's all it would take. Respectable Republicans don't think they'll be judged by history. Mass immigration plus forced integration means genocide for the population being flooded and forced to assimilate. The mass of white people, lower-class working stiffs and the like, are going away, due to policies that are erasing them. They won't be judging anybody. Mass immigration is importing a new nation. Respectable Republicans like Rubio think that that nation will judge them favorably.

Posted by: Chromoly Man at April 29, 2013 08:00 PM (a/4cm)

225 Y'know, it's been a crappy day/ week/ month/ year/ decade.

I HAVE FINALLY HAD IT.

- WITH EVERYTHING.

I want to see the Gang of Eight --heck, the whole damn Gang of 535-- nah, scrap that, let's go bigger and make it EVERY FREAKING PARASITE WHO WORKS IN OR NEAR WASHINGTON DC-- swinging from lamp posts.

THAT would improve my mood. For a while.

Then -- ON TO NEW YORK CITY.

And California after that.

Bwahaahaahaa!

Posted by: A_Nonny_Mouse at April 29, 2013 11:08 PM (FjRIu)

226 who still supports Rubio?

why?

Posted by: Shoey at April 30, 2013 08:29 AM (jdOk/)

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