June 24, 2013
— DrewM Today the Senate will pass amnesty. This will be the most important piece of Senate legislation made possible by the Tea Party election of 2010 (think Hoeven and Rubio). Oops.
Speaking of Marco Rubio.
Rasmussen: Rubio had 73% favorable rating among Republicans in February. Now 58%. Very favorables down 44% to 21%. http://t.co/8u34BOM5yV
— Byron York (@ByronYork) June 24, 2013
Maybe lying, amnesty and shilling for Obama aren't so popular after all.
Speaking of John Hoeven...can we stop calling this Hoeven-Corker thing "Hoeven-Corker" please? Do you really think these two back benchers came out of nowhere and with their staffs rewrote an entire bill that was months in the making that just happened to be the only"Republican" plan acceptable to Reid, Schumer and Obama?
Hoeven and Corker are just shilling for Obama.
Meanwhile Mickey Kaus hits it out of the park over the remark Rubio's aide and that by his lack of discipline for the aide Rubio seems to agree with that not all American workers can cut it.
“There are American workers who, for lack of a better term, can’t cut it. There shouldn’t be a presumption that every American worker is a star performer. There are people who just can’t get it, can’t do it, don’t want to do it. And so you can’t obviously discuss that publicly because …”...
It was offensive, in the first place, because it seemed to assume that the 11.8 million American unemployed were unemployed mainly because they were bad workers. Mightn’t a big recession or bad luck disrupt the meritocratic perfection of the labor market–so lots of good workers find themself unemployed, at least temporarily?
...
More important, even if you assume, thanks to the perfect efficiency of the market, that all those Americans who are unemployed are worse workers than those who are employed, and all those who would be displaced by immigrant labor are worse laborers than the immigrants who displaced them, why would that lead you to give up on the unemployed Americans, and say, in effect, ‘Screw ‘em’?
Read the whole thing.
The best line from the piece isn't actually about immigration. Kaus' column is set up opposed to a post on the subject from Ezra Klein's Wonkbook .
With the traditional Wonkblog tone of someone explaining to sixth graders a concept he just learned 25 minutes ago...
Perfect!
That Kaus column touches on something I wrote about a few weeks ago. As action moves to the House opponents of the amnesty really need to broaden the argument out from just security to the wider issues at play. Economically this a terrible idea for America and it's morally indefensible.
Security is fine and important but it doesn't solve the wider problems are dealing with lower class Americans and those who want to move to this country legally. Democrats and pro-amnesty types like Rubio want to make the illegals the victims of this country, we should be demonstrating that there are people who didn't break the law that will be hurt by putting illegal immigrants first.
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Posted by: Jay in PA at June 24, 2013 06:31 AM (3LaGb)
that's funny they are smiling as wide as the democrats...
why if I did not know better I'd say 8 democrats were up there.
Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at June 24, 2013 06:33 AM (LRFds)
"This will be the most important piece of Senate legislation made possible by the Tea Party election of 2010 (think Hoeven and Rubio). Oops."
Thanks in advance.
Posted by: mrp at June 24, 2013 06:35 AM (HjPtV)
Posted by: Jay in PA at June 24, 2013 06:35 AM (3LaGb)
Posted by: BlueStateRebel at June 24, 2013 06:36 AM (7ObY1)
It is disgusting that it is still at 58%.
Posted by: dogfish at June 24, 2013 06:36 AM (nsOJa)
it is highlighting the betrayal of the tea party by two people we moneybombed and fought for...
and it is franklyu why if this becomes law I will go to Plan b
Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at June 24, 2013 06:37 AM (LRFds)
Posted by: Joethefatman™ (@joethefatman1) at June 24, 2013 06:38 AM (MnSla)
Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at June 24, 2013 10:37 AM (LRFds)
--- What is plan b?
Posted by: Velvet Ambition at June 24, 2013 06:38 AM (R8hU8)
Posted by: HoboJerky, Hash Hunter at June 24, 2013 06:38 AM (X4HxX)
No it is illustrative of what value SCOAMF's 44-48% is....
political correctness is a powerful thing....
BLACK BLACK! is evidently accompanied on the right by HISPANIC HISPANIC!
Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at June 24, 2013 06:38 AM (LRFds)
Posted by: Ed Anger at June 24, 2013 06:39 AM (tOkJB)
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at June 24, 2013 06:39 AM (uhAkr)
Posted by: RiverC at June 24, 2013 06:39 AM (El+h4)
And the torch carriers keep on the witch hunt...
*facepalm*
Posted by: AuthorLMendez at June 24, 2013 06:39 AM (yAor6)
scorched earth and reciprocity
If the GOP betrays our working poor that are already citizens with this monstrosity I will switch parties and vote straight ticket D and encourage every conservative I can to do the same...
the GOP is not fighting the socialist bastards so we may as well empower them to overreach and purge the party.
I am through letting McCain gang shit on me
Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at June 24, 2013 06:40 AM (LRFds)
The additional problem spoken of by Rush and others is that the illegals that are let in and given whatever stupid "limbo" status by this shit sandwich WILL BE PREFERRED over current Americans for employment because of ObamaCare, since employers will not have to pay the penalty for the illegals.
Posted by: LT at June 24, 2013 06:40 AM (mX6UJ)
Posted by: HoboJerky, Hash Hunter at June 24, 2013 06:40 AM (X4HxX)
Not just the Tea Parties, guys.
IIRC, there were some Ewoks that were full-on politiboner for Rubio, too.
Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at June 24, 2013 06:40 AM (YYJjz)
Alternate title: Snakes on a Plane
Posted by: dogfish at June 24, 2013 06:41 AM (nsOJa)
Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at June 24, 2013 10:40 AM (LRFds)
--- Yep, me too, just wanted to confirm
Posted by: Velvet Ambition at June 24, 2013 06:41 AM (R8hU8)
Posted by: joncelli at June 24, 2013 06:42 AM (RD7QR)
Indeed...they will become the Tories to Labour and they will have happily embraced socialism and destroyed our culture to dilute our power as freedom loving people...
Fuck them I would rather empower the left to go full tyrant than reward the fuckers who betrayed me directly.
Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at June 24, 2013 06:42 AM (LRFds)
Posted by: Santino at June 24, 2013 06:42 AM (3GuQx)
Posted by: Velvet Ambition at June 24, 2013 10:38 AM (R8hU
I think that's Sven's...I mean Esteban's abortion plan for the Republican Party.
Posted by: LT at June 24, 2013 06:42 AM (mX6UJ)
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at June 24, 2013 06:43 AM (uhAkr)
@ 23 - "If the GOP betrays our working poor that are already citizens with this monstrosity I will switch parties and vote straight ticket D and encourage every conservative I can to do the same..."
Why do that? Why not do something useful like gather up as many conservatives and try to build a viable third party that can appeal to the white working class in this country while there's still time?
Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at June 24, 2013 06:43 AM (YYJjz)
LIV Republican's. Just look at the FOX News audience and arrive at your own conclusions.
Posted by: Mil-Dot at June 24, 2013 06:43 AM (Cs2tJ)
Should be vastly more entertaining and relevant than the US Senate.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at June 24, 2013 06:45 AM (wPxCh)
Posted by: Fritz at June 24, 2013 06:45 AM (UzPAd)
Posted by: Arms Merchant at June 24, 2013 06:46 AM (5RUlF)
Posted by: Ed Anger at June 24, 2013 06:46 AM (tOkJB)
Should be vastly more entertaining and relevant than the US Senate.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at June 24, 2013 10:45 AM (wPxCh)
In the remake the Bette Davis role will be played by either Nancy Pelosi or Brian Dennehy. Both are completely qualified.
Posted by: joncelli at June 24, 2013 06:47 AM (RD7QR)
Ben Crump, race baiting attorney for Trayvon's family, invents a new word.
"I love this prosecutoring attorney for Trayvon!"
Posted by: jwest at June 24, 2013 06:47 AM (u2a4R)
Posted by: Arms Merchant at June 24, 2013 06:47 AM (5RUlF)
Here it is 2013, and the same Republican Senators are going to vote for cloture on a bill, that has not been read.
The Senate is worthless
Posted by: Jackj at June 24, 2013 06:47 AM (4WesI)
Posted by: DrewM. at June 24, 2013 06:47 AM (AR+tO)
Mark the date. This is the day the United States died, at the hands of 100 enemies.
Choom Boy has won.
Posted by: MrScribbler at June 24, 2013 06:47 AM (/RIVS)
Posted by: rickl at June 24, 2013 06:48 AM (zoehZ)
Eww, that's like gross and stuff. But I'm totally up for a different kind of gang action. As long as they bring Cheetos.
Posted by: Megan McCain at June 24, 2013 06:48 AM (B/VB5)
Posted by: Santino at June 24, 2013 06:48 AM (3GuQx)
Posted by: Jones in CO at June 24, 2013 06:48 AM (8sCoq)
I do not think a Fed Officeholder can be recalled though.
Posted by: Jackj at June 24, 2013 06:49 AM (4WesI)
Posted by: RiverC at June 24, 2013 06:49 AM (El+h4)
36@ 23 - "If the GOP betrays our working poor that are already citizens with this monstrosity I will switch parties and vote straight ticket D and encourage every conservative I can to do the same..."
2nd look at the Libertarian Party?
Posted by: Arms Merchant at June 24, 2013 06:49 AM (5RUlF)
Posted by: SpongeBob ReaverSaget at June 24, 2013 06:49 AM (epxV4)
Posted by: Brother Cavil, in his happy place at June 24, 2013 06:49 AM (zUi7I)
This,with the intensity of ten thousand exploding suns.
Hey, folks, time to make some noise and bring some heat. Remember, the Beltway ruling class always assume that silence signifies assent.
Posted by: torquewrench at June 24, 2013 06:49 AM (gqT4g)
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at June 24, 2013 06:50 AM (uhAkr)
The Republicans will just shift further left.
Posted by: HoboJerky, Hash Hunter at June 24, 2013 10:38 AM (X4HxX)
That won't save them.
The USA will become a one-party state, like California.
Then one of the red states will leave, and the rest will follow.
Posted by: Jon (not the troll) at June 24, 2013 06:50 AM (g3soT)
I have seen game theory presentations by war college grads who say that a conservative 3d party will free up the McCain gang to lurch even further to the left.
Essentially there are a lot of members of the donkey coalition that find many elements of the donk agenda loathsome but they rely on peoiple like you and I to hold them in check.
I have a contact here I use fro computer matters on system construction and such.
Middle class, gun owner, wary of the superstate but he wanted the obamacare cookie and had decided HISTORIC was a trump card and besides "all those wars"
He's the type of gunowner that likes pistols and 33 shot clips...far more a "gun nut" than am I....
I told him if amnesty(which he opposes by the way) passes I was switching parties and voting straight ticket Democrat in Ohio in 2014....
"but what about guns?"
What about them indeed....not my problem anymore I will not comply and further I will in fact try to empower the more radical anti hunter democrats if need be.
It is past time to goi ahead and see if the suicide coalition is in fact suicidal and to quit empowering the McCain gang to get personal wealth and prestige fucking me over and passing Mule-o-vision willy nilly to no gain in our caucus from "moderate Ds" the fact is the media bias which the GOP does not confront but rather allows the McCain gang to profit from has made our brand toxic so it is better to empower Team Jackass to overreach and then to use the primary votes to disrupt their caucus
Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at June 24, 2013 06:50 AM (LRFds)
Posted by: CDR M at June 24, 2013 06:51 AM (Mv/2X)
Posted by: HoboJerky, Hash Hunter at June 24, 2013 06:51 AM (X4HxX)
correct Jon...plan B merely accelerates the timetable by empowering mule overreach....
when I am able I will go to the first divorce state and help.
My family was here before the Federal government we will be here after, what I cannot abide is a Federal govt turned to evil.
Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at June 24, 2013 06:52 AM (LRFds)
It is that simple. And we will not win the Senate back in 2014, even if the bill dies in the House. The base has seen that the Senate is worthless
Posted by: Jackj at June 24, 2013 06:52 AM (4WesI)
Posted by: panzernashorn at June 24, 2013 06:52 AM (MhA4j)
M I do implore you to ponder plan B....I know you've seen democrat leaning officers get perks and frankly we need the intel.....
I do hope for you to find happiness and am sincere in saying I would aid you in investing in you getting gunsmithing.
Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at June 24, 2013 06:53 AM (LRFds)
Those AZ Conservatives need to take a civics course. There is no federal recall. That's why it is absolutely critical to elect solid and reliable people to fill federal seats.
At that, unfortunately, many Arizona conservatives got rolled when they voted in Flake and McQueeg. Who do differ in the degree to which they lied to their electorate.
Flake? Could not have been predicted to go squishy on amnesty, I don't think.
McQueeg? Absolutely predictable as a squish based on previous instances.
Posted by: torquewrench at June 24, 2013 06:53 AM (gqT4g)
Voting Dem only encourages the moonbattery.
We must either take over the GOP or go third party. There's no other chance to save the Republic.
Secession is a pipe dream IMHO.
Posted by: Arms Merchant at June 24, 2013 06:54 AM (5RUlF)
Now in the role of Jar Jar Binks selling out the Republic, Sen. Rubio.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at June 24, 2013 06:54 AM (wPxCh)
No I don't think so...at least not initially....the point will be better hammered home by giving the GOP a post Watergate level asswhipping....
yes we will be hurt but I prefer to have democrats passing this shit than GOPers in my name.
Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at June 24, 2013 06:55 AM (LRFds)
we should be demonstrating that there are people who didn't break the law that will be hurt by putting illegal immigrants first.
THIS x (infinity ^ infinity)
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at June 24, 2013 06:55 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at June 24, 2013 10:54 AM (wPxCh)
Heh. Nice.
Posted by: CDR M at June 24, 2013 06:56 AM (BuYeH)
To be fair, the Republic was dead before he was sworn in.
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at June 24, 2013 06:56 AM (/kI1Q)
All those elderly social Conservatives, would freak out without their Federal soc Security and Benefit checks if their state left the U.S.
We live in a apathetic tech needy society
Posted by: Jackj at June 24, 2013 06:56 AM (4WesI)
Many of them African-American or women or union members. This is almost the perfect pickaxe to take to the DNC's "coalition", if only we had anyone smart enough to do so.
Posted by: Ian S. at June 24, 2013 06:56 AM (B/VB5)
Posted by: Truck Monkey at June 24, 2013 06:56 AM (32Ze2)
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at June 24, 2013 06:56 AM (jqLfq)
Posted by: rickl at June 24, 2013 06:57 AM (zoehZ)
Don West (no relation), co-attorney for Zimmerman, has decided that instead of a hard-hitting opening statement that presents the facts and would have the jury openly laughing at the prosecution, he would give a stuttering, boring presentation using a map of the complex Zimmerman lived at.
Zimmerman deserves to be found guilty just for hiring these assholes to defend him.
Posted by: jwest at June 24, 2013 06:57 AM (u2a4R)
Posted by: Vote Lord Humungus 2016 at June 24, 2013 06:57 AM (HEa5q)
Posted by: Arms Merchant at June 24, 2013 06:57 AM (5RUlF)
Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at June 24, 2013 10:53 AM (LRFds)
I'm open to any plan outside of the current GOP plan.
Oh I'm still serious on gunsmithing. Just need to find the time now.
Posted by: CDR M at June 24, 2013 06:57 AM (cqZXM)
He was getting eviscerated in the comments, last I looked.
This is the biggest gem:
"It stipulates that no illegal immigrant can even apply to become a legal permanent resident of the U.S. until at least ten years have elapsed and until five security triggers are achieved."
Yeah, sure thing, Marco, except for the fact that YOU TOLD UNIVISION VIEWERS EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE a few weeks ago.
http://tinyurl.com/m8wnt86
Posted by: torquewrench at June 24, 2013 06:58 AM (gqT4g)
I have seen game theory presentations by war college grads who say that a conservative 3d party will free up the McCain gang to lurch even further to the left.
Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at June 24, 2013 10:50 AM (LRFds)
Esteban/Sven,
I don't understand why the McCain gang going more lib would preclude you or I from going 3rd party. In my mind they are already too far left for me to support. It's been a while since I've looked at game theory, but if conservatives in mass went to a 3rd party we'd capture center right and the repubs would be competing with dems for center left, correct? I agree with your thoughts on the repubs, but I just don't think I can bring myself to vote for dems.
Posted by: LT at June 24, 2013 06:58 AM (mX6UJ)
Posted by: Mainah at June 24, 2013 06:58 AM (659DL)
Este,
You seem to think that your vote matters still.
Instead, work towards nullification of federal law. As our government accrues losing wars it will not have the cajones or the manpower to send people out to enforce its laws if they are removed from those areas at gunpoint.
It will never happen in my state, but I would be delighted to be in the position to at least propose legislation to take back all the federal land and lease it to them as a way to balance MD's budget.
It belongs to them? No, it's in our territory, we consider our eminent domain higher than theirs. They cannot own any land in our state anymore, only rent it.
No need for gambling anymore.
Posted by: RiverC at June 24, 2013 06:58 AM (El+h4)
Secession as separation is rebellion and yeah, it won't succeed. But, another option is to secede in place. A state that can afford it, looking at you Texas and Louisiana, needs to stop accepting federal money and it's dictates. I seriously doubt that you can send to army to force a state to accept federal highway money, or medicaid matching funds.
A state free to prosper will be an example and a magnet for success.
Posted by: toby928© for TB at June 24, 2013 06:59 AM (codCi)
"...if only we had anyone smart enough to do so."
Yep. Instead we have McLame and Miss Lindsey Grahamnesty
Posted by: Arms Merchant at June 24, 2013 06:59 AM (5RUlF)
This will be the most important piece of Senate legislation made possible by the Tea Party election of 2010 (think Hoeven and Rubio). Oops.
I don't know about the Hoeven SOB but Ratshit Rubio ran on opposing amnesty. Now he is selling us out.
Piss on him, unless he is on fire then let him burn.
Posted by: Vic at June 24, 2013 06:59 AM (lZvxr)
In 2012, they told AZ that we needed Flake , or we would lose the seat to popular Hispanic Carmona..
Scare tactics, like the Ones Graham has been saying this week
Posted by: Jackj at June 24, 2013 06:59 AM (4WesI)
Posted by: jwest at June 24, 2013 10:57 AM (u2a4R)
How do we know that the NSA hasn't rastled up some dirt on his lawyers and have told him to throw the case so Teh Won can have justice?
Posted by: Internet Crackpot at June 24, 2013 06:59 AM (cqZXM)
Posted by: T. at June 24, 2013 07:00 AM (Ccyem)
Posted by: alexthechick - Bring the SMOD at June 24, 2013 07:00 AM (VtjlW)
I am as well...stay in contact with Allen....
the skill coupled with ammo crafting may well be vital.
You may hav an active productive retirement in store.
Even if cash poor if we settle in the same county between the members of the horde we will be resource wealthy...
I plan to try to run a bio diesel still and a small logistics concern
we need to get ready for the burning times.
Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at June 24, 2013 07:00 AM (LRFds)
Posted by: RiverC at June 24, 2013 07:00 AM (El+h4)
Posted by: Jackj at June 24, 2013 07:00 AM (4WesI)
Last night I got caught up on some Red Eye episodes and there was a discussion of immigration with Imogen Lloyd Webber, who is usually a liberal. Having been put through the hoops to do things legally and get a green card, however, she has a law-and-order view on illegal immigration. As she puts, we shouldn't bestow the honor of citizenship on those who dishonored our laws and border. It's possible to come up with a plan for legal residency, but people who entered the country illegally or stayed in the country illegally should never be granted citizenship.
If a lefty gets it, why can't our Senators?
Posted by: biancaneve at June 24, 2013 07:00 AM (6bYlh)
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at June 24, 2013 07:01 AM (Vs6FA)
2. Don't let anyone have time to read it before the Senate vote.
3. Demonize the House GOP for failing to pass terrible bill after they took time to read it.
OR
3. Con Republicans into passing it, gain tens of millions of new Democrat voters.
Why, it's almost like there's no downside to the Dems.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at June 24, 2013 07:01 AM (SY2Kh)
We have to make sure our hooks are in place first.
Posted by: NSA at June 24, 2013 07:01 AM (nsOJa)
Posted by: hello, it's me Donna at June 24, 2013 07:02 AM (9+ccr)
Graham said this weekend, that he has no problem of the feds opening mail to protect us?
Is this 1937 Berlin?
Posted by: Jackj at June 24, 2013 07:03 AM (4WesI)
Posted by: panzernashorn at June 24, 2013 07:03 AM (MhA4j)
Posted by: Jackj at June 24, 2013 11:00 AM (4WesI)
With LCS?
Posted by: CDR M at June 24, 2013 07:04 AM (BuYeH)
Posted by: rickb223 at June 24, 2013 07:04 AM (xZxMD)
Posted by: alexthechick - Bring the SMOD at June 24, 2013 11:00 AM (VtjlW)
These days, thoughtful, well-planned alcoholism might be the most viable survival strategy.
Posted by: joncelli at June 24, 2013 07:04 AM (RD7QR)
Answer: The color of the police dispatcher's hair.
Question: What is the only piece of useless minutia that Don West has left out of the open statement?
Posted by: jwest at June 24, 2013 07:05 AM (u2a4R)
Posted by: Mainah at June 24, 2013 07:05 AM (659DL)
the crisis would be the appearance of "majority" LT
the GOP and donks would simply run interference for one another...the way it was shown was that the Liberal Republicans and Remaining demcorats both favor authoritarian top down governing and the Libertarian cause would suffer until a critical overreach was passed.
I'd prefer to empower the worst actor to do their worst than have my efforts allow McCain the illusion of "civility and ethical bi-partisan cover" while enabling this.
It is vital we have the overreach sooner rather than later while the people who remember freedom outnumber the NEA's programmed army of kids.
Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at June 24, 2013 07:05 AM (LRFds)
Posted by: NSA at June 24, 2013 11:01 AM (nsOJa)
We're set now too. Thank you for your cooperation.
Posted by: IRS at June 24, 2013 07:05 AM (JSetw)
======
Vote D in swing districts, form conservative third parties in the safe red, suck as many votes from the R in the general as possible.
Let him go as far as he wants.
They figure they've enough money and have rigged the system well enough that they can win the primary and not have to worry about the general.
I say we test that assumption.
He can safely retire in his home district of DC.
Let it burn.
Better the whole temple come down than evil be done in my name.
Posted by: RoyalOil at June 24, 2013 07:06 AM (VjL9S)
Posted by: Jones in CO at June 24, 2013 07:06 AM (8sCoq)
The GOP Senate is no better than Judas Ben Nelson or Red Light Mary Landrieu
Posted by: Jackj at June 24, 2013 07:07 AM (4WesI)
a choice we all have to make Rick...
but th3e GOP lurched ever leftward when we merely sat out....
I think we need to do something radical and force a realignment of coalitions.
I will not argue hard and make moral points decrying apathy as response...
I am simply saying the best way to punish the GOP and disrupt the democrats is to empower the democrats then disrupt their caucus....
Good luck
Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at June 24, 2013 07:07 AM (LRFds)
Posted by: HoboJerky, Hash Hunter at June 24, 2013 07:08 AM (X4HxX)
HVAC and welding are "less desirable jobs"? Those used to be skilled trades in which you could comfortably support a family if you were any good at them.
"it seems certain citizens will choose welfare rather than pursue these positions."
Well, here's the goat rodeo in a nutshell.
When compensation for what used to be good jobs gets driven low enough, OF COURSE citizens who are eligible for welfare will opt for welfare instead. That is a rational economic calculation.
So employers go to the pool of illegal labor instead. Except when the people in that pool become citizens, guess what? Their own economic calculus changes and they decide to go on welfare, too. Again, on an entirely rational self-interested basis. Then more illegals are needed. The cycle never stops.
Posted by: torquewrench at June 24, 2013 07:08 AM (gqT4g)
It's an honorable position with a history stretching back to antiquity.
Posted by: toby928© for TB at June 24, 2013 07:08 AM (codCi)
105
hello, it's me Donna
From what I gather, not being a lawyer, it essentially makes UT have to prove that their process is the only way to ensure "diversity"(spit). But I ai't one of them there lawyer folks, so i's prolly wrong.
Posted by: Joethefatman™ (@joethefatman1) at June 24, 2013 07:08 AM (MnSla)
Posted by: alexthechick - Bring the SMOD at June 24, 2013 07:08 AM (VtjlW)
Posted by: The Supreme Court at June 24, 2013 07:09 AM (uhAkr)
2) Affirmitive Action is a tax
3) Recess appointments are a tax
Fire up the Gulfstream 5, I'm headed to Martha's Vineyard.
Posted by: John Roberts at June 24, 2013 07:09 AM (qpah5)
Posted by: Burn the Witch at June 24, 2013 07:09 AM (QLNHI)
That may well be the better long term plan but understand I want the GOP punished....
my plan is contingent on Boner doing the wrong thing and I am not certain he will....
if he does it is time for scorched Earth and getting the point across...
an empowered democrat machine cannot help but go berzerk....look at 2009-2011
Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at June 24, 2013 07:09 AM (LRFds)
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at June 24, 2013 11:01 AM (Vs6FA)
Real wages have declined compared to inflation. The feds are inflating the currency (by massive printing/borrowing) but it doesn't show in the official statistics because the CPI doesn't include food, gas and housing (!)
The problem is the massive distortion of the economy caused by the 40-50% tax load (fed, state, and local), the stealth costs of over-regulation, the bloated bureacracy (50% higher than private sector wages PLUS better benefits), and all the special carve-outs for one set of favored constituents over another.
Get rid of all that, plus the sucking hole of Sarbane-Oxley, tax lawyers, etc. required to comply with federal law, the massive security state-industrial complex, and put all those people into production, and weath would rise, wages would rise, and it would pay to work again.
Posted by: Arms Merchant at June 24, 2013 07:09 AM (5RUlF)
Welding is a lot harder than crashing with your latest baby mama. Gotta get out of bed before lunch, put on pants, stay sober...
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at June 24, 2013 07:10 AM (/kI1Q)
Rubio is attempting the Palestinian strategy of lying in English and telling the truth in Arabic. His problem is that instead of Arabic, which few Westerners speak, he chose Spanish, which lots speak. Even many gringos.
Posted by: Ian S. at June 24, 2013 07:10 AM (B/VB5)
Yeah, that's an odd one to me. How do the citizens of Alaska benefit, particularly the aboriginals, by allowing companies to import low skill workers in perpetuity?
Posted by: toby928© for TB at June 24, 2013 07:10 AM (codCi)
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at June 24, 2013 11:10 AM (/kI1Q)
Whoa. Pants? That's crazy.
Posted by: joncelli at June 24, 2013 07:11 AM (RD7QR)
Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at June 24, 2013 07:11 AM (r+7wo)
Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at June 24, 2013 11:09 AM (LRFds)
Well, this is just another name for the let-it-burn strategy. But you don't have to vote Dem to make that happen.
Just stay home like millions of Republicans did in 2012, rather than vote for Mittens.
Posted by: Arms Merchant at June 24, 2013 07:12 AM (5RUlF)
Posted by: Santino at June 24, 2013 10:32 AM (3GuQx)"
If by pay you mean the Obama organization does not reveal unsavory secrets that you would prefer remained secret, the answer is yes.
Unless proved otherwise, I am going to assume that every Republican who votes for this is described by #7 in this list:
http://tinyurl.com/lmne826
Posted by: Obnoxious A-hole at June 24, 2013 07:12 AM (31Nrp)
121
@ torquewrench
I tried welding and found I had absolutely no talent for it, and yes I believe it takes talent. Probably why they used to make the big bucks.
Posted by: Joethefatman™ (@joethefatman1) at June 24, 2013 07:13 AM (MnSla)
Posted by: Barry Soetoro at June 24, 2013 07:14 AM (Q63S1)
"I have not read the comments, but I would like to point out... "
Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at June 24, 2013 11:11 AM (r+7wo)
Sorry, you're not allowed to comment unless you read all 500 comments, if necessary, of the thread.
House rules.
Just kidding.
Posted by: Arms Merchant at June 24, 2013 07:14 AM (5RUlF)
Posted by: BlackOrchid at June 24, 2013 07:14 AM (2up3Q)
http://tinyurl.com/m9pq653
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at June 24, 2013 07:15 AM (wPxCh)
Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at June 24, 2013 07:15 AM (r+7wo)
Part of that's because the culture post-WW2 has been saturated in "if your job doesn't require going to college it's not worth anything". Plumbers and electricians making good money while setting up a basement apartment at the parents' house for a newly failed womyn's stydys grad will obviously disagree.
Posted by: Ian S. at June 24, 2013 07:15 AM (B/VB5)
Posted by: Vic at June 24, 2013 07:15 AM (lZvxr)
I know.
When I think about all the bad choices I've made in life that have culminated in me waking up before lunch, putting on pants, and staying sober until I get home from work...sigh.
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at June 24, 2013 07:15 AM (/kI1Q)
Posted by: rickb223 at June 24, 2013 07:15 AM (xZxMD)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 24, 2013 07:15 AM (/wToa)
Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at June 24, 2013 11:05 AM (LRFds)
I don't disagree, but I would think it would be better for a Libertarian/Conservative/Constitutional/Etc Party be waiting in the wings for the overreach to fill the vacuum caused by the overreach, because it's coming and soon with these idiots in DC.
I think if anything, our failure to nominate a conservative (and even the power vacuum in Egypt gobbled up by the MB) shows that conservatives need to be united or at least better organized to take advantage when the overreach comes. The best way I see that happening is with an already established Constitutional/Originalist type party organized.
Posted by: LT at June 24, 2013 07:16 AM (mX6UJ)
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at June 24, 2013 07:16 AM (uhAkr)
Posted by: BlackOrchid at June 24, 2013 07:17 AM (2up3Q)
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at June 24, 2013 07:17 AM (VV7s1)
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at June 24, 2013 07:17 AM (/kI1Q)
Aboriginals don't make campaign contributions or cash under the table deals. Alaska is one of the most politically corrupt states in the country.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at June 24, 2013 07:17 AM (SY2Kh)
Herein lies my objection to the whole "let it burn" joke. Sure, we call down pain on others as the consequence of Our Betters' work in D.C., but we are also calling it down on ourselves.
We can oppose amnesty and other treasonous acts, but by letting them happen we are paying for them. Our tax dollars will go to support the millions of new Democrats, our tax dollars will go to Muzzie terrorists and dictators worldwide, and we will continue to support corrupt institutions in our own country.
We'll keep right on paying for the Choom Fambly's $100-million vacations.
The thieves pick our pockets, and we give them a free lunch, too?
Too many of the "solutions" proposed around here (LiB, "going Galt," etc.) involve making ourselves suffer so tyranny can continue to have its way with us. Yes, the real solution is likely painful as well, but at least it is real.
Posted by: MrScribbler at June 24, 2013 07:18 AM (/RIVS)
Posted by: Burn the Witch at June 24, 2013 07:18 AM (QLNHI)
No it is a more stern version of let it burn...
it is lay the kindling....
the GOP just showed they are in fact the match salesmen for the mules my friend.....
so the McCain gang goes first...in primary fights ideally if the house kills the bill but by voting for their general election opponent if necessary....
I've been here a decade almost now....
I have whipped the caucus, begged, scolded, mocked, cajoled good people whose views I empathize with far more then I ever did Specter, Christie, or Jeffords for not being able to continue to support this party.
I said in 2011 when I came back for the campaign that this was my LAST race where I would ask the small l libertarians and nFiCons to hold their nose...
I meant it....
The McCain GOP needs obliterated and I view plan B as a backfire in all honesty....
in the prairie if there's a fire coming your way you are a smart man if you burn a dead zone....
Plan B is my backfire.
Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at June 24, 2013 07:18 AM (LRFds)
Posted by: BlackOrchid at June 24, 2013 07:18 AM (2up3Q)
Given the not-so-secret idea that the White House has always had their hands up the Gang of Ocho's asses to control them it makes perfect sense they'd do it now. It also distracts from TFG's $100 million African vacation, in which he'll no doubt try and find some of those men we've taught to wash their junk.
Posted by: Ian S. at June 24, 2013 07:19 AM (B/VB5)
Posted by: panzernashorn at June 24, 2013 07:19 AM (MhA4j)
A politician didn't tell the whole truth. Unpossible ! I'm shocked and saddened.
Posted by: Chik-fil-a Little at June 24, 2013 07:19 AM (z5nJY)
Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at June 24, 2013 07:19 AM (r+7wo)
Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at June 24, 2013 07:20 AM (r+7wo)
that is in a nutshell the abuse of the safety hammock paradigm....
and incentivizing the hiring of the newer better americans by exempting them from Ogabecare is not a solution it is ensuring the slothful remain so and on the plantation of my foe...
far better to empower the implosion
if illegal immigrants were trhe key to the healthy economy I must have been looking at a PsyOps version of Juarez when I lived in El Paso my friend.
Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at June 24, 2013 07:20 AM (LRFds)
Posted by: Steve at June 24, 2013 07:20 AM (zS9LP)
Posted by: nip at June 24, 2013 07:21 AM (lGVXf)
Posted by: alexthechick - Bring the SMOD at June 24, 2013 07:21 AM (VtjlW)
Posted by: BlackOrchid at June 24, 2013 07:21 AM (2up3Q)
Posted by: zsasz at June 24, 2013 07:21 AM (MMC8r)
I think I'll fund this party with coyote fees smuggling Eastern European blonds in under this bill (what I've read, there's funds in the bill just for that--except they assume it'll go for brown folks from the south).
As I read it, it's the Cuban immigrant "wet-feet/dry land" bill for all the world; soon as they touch US soil, they're eligible for amnesty.
You know the only code book in law school that was as thick as the IRS code book was the immigration code?
Yeah.
Posted by: RoyalOil at June 24, 2013 07:22 AM (VjL9S)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at June 24, 2013 07:22 AM (STdzY)
Posted by: Burn the Witch at June 24, 2013 07:22 AM (QLNHI)
Speaking of pants and getting out of bed....
Call me a RINO, but I don't think we can defeat emotivism in one strong go. Ergo, some form of amenesty (probably in the form of a path to citizenship sadly) is inevitable?
Why? That's emotivism in a nut shell. The dims made people feel bad. At the very least your stuck with "Provisional Resident Status." but they'll make people feel bad and then BOOM, citizenship.
But as I said, we can't defeat emotivism in one go, that's the nature of this country.
But let's turn to what we can fight. Boarder security (and an entry exit system) FIRST. Not last, FIRST. Hammer that home House o' reps. Make it hurt. Say over and over and over again "we're willing to give the Senate what they want on amnesty [use another word I suppose] but we won't sacrifice our boarders for it, or it's meaningless."
Mind people of the 80s amnesty and how pitifully that worked. Point out how many people arrive here legally, then don't bother to leave (becoming illegal.)
In a perfect world, I'd pick all battles, world is far from perfect. Delay the citizenship shit for as long as possible but try to at least win security.
Posted by: tsrblke at June 24, 2013 07:22 AM (GaqMa)
Posted by: Russian Border Guards at June 24, 2013 07:23 AM (Q9qpj)
Posted by: Lemmenkainen, Freelance Warlord at June 24, 2013 07:23 AM (ZWvOb)
Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at June 24, 2013 11:01 AM (Vs6FA)
If there is an honest-to-God shortage of workers (and not just a shortage of those willing to work for low wages) in a given field, I think most of us would be willing to entertain the idea of allowing more skilled and semi-skilled foreign workers in to fill that demand through legal immigration and work permits.
Offering the jobs to those who managed to illegally sneak across the border isn't the answer.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at June 24, 2013 07:23 AM (SY2Kh)
Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at June 24, 2013 07:23 AM (r+7wo)
Posted by: alexthechick - Bring the SMOD at June 24, 2013 07:24 AM (VtjlW)
Posted by: Charles Saatchi at June 24, 2013 07:24 AM (uhftQ)
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at June 24, 2013 11:10 AM (/kI1Q)
Whoa. Pants? That's crazy.
Posted by: joncelli at June 24, 2013 11:11 AM (RD7QR)
Get a sweet sunburn on your junk going without pants....not to mention the all the nice burn marks.
Posted by: Red Shirt at June 24, 2013 07:24 AM (FIDMq)
Posted by: SpongeBob ReaverSaget at June 24, 2013 07:25 AM (epxV4)
Posted by: HoboJerky, Hash Hunter at June 24, 2013 07:25 AM (X4HxX)
Posted by: BlackOrchid at June 24, 2013 11:21 AM (2up3Q)
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Your racially sensitive, proletarian concerns are duly noted. I thought communitarian sentiments got the banhammer out here. Who let you this commie in, much less speak?
Posted by: Chik-fil-a Little at June 24, 2013 07:26 AM (z5nJY)
Funny 'cause it's true.
Posted by: toby928© for TB at June 24, 2013 07:26 AM (codCi)
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at June 24, 2013 07:26 AM (uhAkr)
Posted by: BlackOrchid at June 24, 2013 07:26 AM (2up3Q)
Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at June 24, 2013 07:27 AM (r+7wo)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 24, 2013 07:28 AM (/wToa)
Posted by: [/i][/b][/s]akula_51 at June 24, 2013 07:28 AM (Vgn84)
! we need warm bodies! here are some! let's just let them in by the millions. that'll work! just flood the zone. PROFIT!Posted by: BlackOrchid at June 24, 2013 07:28 AM (2up3Q)
Posted by: George Orwell what knows your telescreen is watching you fap at June 24, 2013 07:28 AM (xw77v)
correct...hell we can argue for FreeShit Army and LIVs concerns on this and point out unemployment...attack SCOAMF's "climate" horseshit and reestablish law and order cred by saying..."gee we need to passa 25 pound piece of shit to force the govt to enforce the law they ignore?"
This is it...the house GOP shows it is worth sending to the hill or not IMHO if they pass this they simply put are not...
at that point plan B is using my enemy to remove a cancer
Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at June 24, 2013 07:29 AM (LRFds)
I can, however, see our present crop of Senators being just the sort of lap dogs a modern day Augustus would require.
Posted by: Russian Border Guards at June 24, 2013 07:29 AM (Q9qpj)
Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at June 24, 2013 07:29 AM (r+7wo)
Posted by: Burn the Witch at June 24, 2013 07:29 AM (QLNHI)
Posted by: HoboJerky, Hash Hunter at June 24, 2013 07:29 AM (X4HxX)
Posted by: Russian Border Guards at June 24, 2013 07:30 AM (Q9qpj)
They have tasted power and do not want to lose their gavels, they could be the ones to kill amnesty in the end
Posted by: Jackj at June 24, 2013 07:30 AM (4WesI)
Ahh yes, the "we lose money on every transaction but we'll make it up in volume" theory that powered the late 90s dot.com bubble.
Posted by: Ian S. at June 24, 2013 07:31 AM (B/VB5)
Posted by: BlackOrchid at June 24, 2013 07:31 AM (2up3Q)
"117 I too am looking into becoming an alcoholic"
Don't be ignorant. You really want to go to all of those dag-gummed meetings?
Posted by: Cicero Kid, Resident Drunk at June 24, 2013 07:31 AM (jz0+s)
Posted by: Burn the Witch at June 24, 2013 11:29 AM (QLNHI)
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If the last election taught us anything is that the GOP needs to hunker down, bow to the tea party "masses" and dig in its ideological heels if it expects to be remembered as the last great white (man's) hope.
Posted by: Chik-fil-a Little at June 24, 2013 07:31 AM (z5nJY)
Posted by: [/i][/b][/s]akula_51 at June 24, 2013 07:31 AM (Vgn84)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 24, 2013 07:32 AM (9Bj8R)
Posted by: alexthechick - Bring the SMOD at June 24, 2013 07:32 AM (VtjlW)
Posted by: RiverC at June 24, 2013 07:32 AM (El+h4)
He is able to Pied Piper at least 15 GOP Senators into suicide.
He has killed Rubio's career, along with Ayotte
Posted by: Jackj at June 24, 2013 07:32 AM (4WesI)
Posted by: George Orwell what knows your telescreen is watching you fap at June 24, 2013 07:32 AM (xw77v)
Posted by: Burn the Witch at June 24, 2013 07:32 AM (QLNHI)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at June 24, 2013 07:32 AM (XIxXP)
Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at June 24, 2013 07:33 AM (r+7wo)
Posted by: RiverC at June 24, 2013 07:33 AM (El+h4)
Posted by: Jackj at June 24, 2013 07:33 AM (4WesI)
Skin in the game.
Immigrants who come to start a business or work a decent job and pay taxes instead of for Free Shit might be more conservative.
Someone who spent the time, effort and expense to come here legally is far more likely to be a loyal American who plays by the rules and get ahead legitimately. Legal immigrants are often some of the most patriotic people you'll find.
Those who as their first act in this country was to break our laws, and continue to do so while here (document fraud, tax fraud, etc) are more likely to try and game the system as they've become accustomed to.
Those given amnesty get their status for free after coming in illegally- what real incentive do they have to consider themselves Americans first and adopt American culture? Get something for free, you tend not to value it as greatly.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at June 24, 2013 07:33 AM (SY2Kh)
Yup if there's anything that holding the house and funding the fuck out of the Romney and RNC campaigns taught us it is "wow these fucks are really trying to hurt Obama"....
Look tiger...you win the ONLY way I can not be a racist asshole is to empower democrats in perpetuity...I'm game.
Fuck I'll go you one better and fund La Raza....
Message recieved
Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at June 24, 2013 07:34 AM (LRFds)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 24, 2013 07:35 AM (9Bj8R)
welcome aboard...I have "white trash" siblings who have not been on aid since childhood and work their asses off at the "jobs Americans will not do".....
this action is a dagger aimed at their heart....
they both sat out 2012 in Ohio....
wonder why we lost?
This is why Ohio flipped in part to mule.
Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at June 24, 2013 07:35 AM (LRFds)
Let Wall Street and the Corporations, the ones behind cheap labor amnesty, to try and deal with Speaker Pelosi again
Posted by: Jackj at June 24, 2013 07:36 AM (4WesI)
Posted by: HoboJerky, Hash Hunter at June 24, 2013 07:36 AM (X4HxX)
Warning the American people is one thing. Sharing intelligence with other countries is b.s.
Posted by: willow at June 24, 2013 07:36 AM (nqBYe)
Posted by: The Jackhole at June 24, 2013 07:36 AM (nTgAI)
Advertising. It's fairly unobtrusive right now with sponsored tweets that everyone sees and sponsored hashtags that are guaranteed to trend #1, but I'm sure it'll get worse.
Posted by: Ian S. at June 24, 2013 07:37 AM (B/VB5)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 24, 2013 07:37 AM (/wToa)
Posted by: Nancy Pelosi at June 24, 2013 07:38 AM (xw77v)
Message recieved
Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at June 24, 2013 11:34 AM (LRFds)
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Fund them from your guitar infomercial fortune? Go ahead, but first refund my money for that crappy piece of plywood and staples.
Posted by: Chik-fil-a Little at June 24, 2013 07:38 AM (z5nJY)
Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at June 24, 2013 07:38 AM (r+7wo)
Posted by: alexthechick - Bring the SMOD at June 24, 2013 11:32 AM (VtjlW)
Twitter has definitely started placing ads all over the place (promoted tweets injected directly into your timeline, promoted hashtags, etc.)
IIRC, Twitter was also...ahem..partnering with companies sizable enough to...ahem...partner with charging them for some of their high profile accounts.
Posted by: tsrblke at June 24, 2013 07:38 AM (GaqMa)
224 "Breaking News : Marco Rubio's trash goes unmolested for the first time in years"
Who was that guy that was constantly humping those garbage cans?
I'm sure it was someone from around here.
Posted by: jwest at June 24, 2013 07:38 AM (u2a4R)
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at June 24, 2013 07:38 AM (4df7R)
I was fond back in 2008 when convincing myself to caucus for a man I hate that I was tired of the GOP being "we're the democrats at 15% savings" from the Bush era...
if the GOP has proved anything the last two years it is "we're democrats at 5% savings tops"
Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at June 24, 2013 07:39 AM (LRFds)
Yup...
You caught me....I don't understand why you Occutards are always so unhappy in victory....
remove the butt plug I'm sure it'll help.
Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at June 24, 2013 07:40 AM (LRFds)
Posted by: Burn the Witch at June 24, 2013 07:41 AM (QLNHI)
Posted by: Chromoly Man at June 24, 2013 07:42 AM (/+EhN)
Secession as separation is rebellion and yeah, it won't succeed. But, another option is to secede in place. A state that can afford it, looking at you Texas and Louisiana, needs to stop accepting federal money and it's dictates. I seriously doubt that you can send to army to force a state to accept federal highway money, or medicaid matching funds.
A state free to prosper will be an example and a magnet for success.
Posted by: toby928� for TB at June 24, 2013 10:59 AM (codCi)"
There was a story this weekend about Chuck Schumer complaining that the Russians want to stick their finger in the eye of the United States. It was kind of amusing because Schumer kept calling them allies and seemed to be upset that his fellow leftists were not helping his team.
Anyway, it seems that the only real chance for secession would be to present a fait accomplait where the seceding area already had recognition from nuclear powers that are unfriendly towards the United States. It would probably also require that the seceding area also have nuclear weapons that could immediately be deployed.
I've got to say that it seems pretty unlikely that Russia or China would go for that kind of deal since they have their own restive areas that would be vulnerable to the same sort of diplomatic/military aid assault. Iran, on the other hand, is a different story. Let us remember that the US and Britain were allied with the Soviet Union led by Josef Stalin during WW II. Just because people have mutual interests does not mean that they have to like each other.
Obama does not seem to be all that worried that once Iran obtains nuclear weapons, they will supply them to al Qaeda. Maybe he would be more motivated by the prospect that the Iranians might supply them to Republicans.
Posted by: Obnoxious A-hole at June 24, 2013 07:43 AM (31Nrp)
The solution to that problem is not to import slave labor, it is to make the safety net an actual safety net, rather than a viable alternative to employment.
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The safety net has become a hammock.
Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at June 24, 2013 07:43 AM (YmPwQ)
1. CBO says this bill will INCREASE unemployment.
2. CBO says this bill will DECRESE Wages.
3. CBO says this will only stop about 25% of current illegal immigration rates.
So the Senate wants to pass something that makes things worse for Citizens, without solving the problem..... Obamacare part Two?
Posted by: Romeo13 at June 24, 2013 07:44 AM (lZBBB)
remove the butt plug I'm sure it'll help.
Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at June 24, 2013 11:40 AM (LRFds)
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Lighten up, Stevie. Already with the gay-themed invectives. You're supposed to start with the "tard" stuff, then go to the "15-year old lives with his mom who turns tricks," then the "didn't take his medication," and THEN you start in on the gay slurs. Sheesh - you really need to pay more attention.
Posted by: Chik-fil-a Little at June 24, 2013 07:44 AM (z5nJY)
Funny, Great White Hope is what I call my dick. It's relatively large for a white one and I'll let you suck it for free.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at June 24, 2013 11:41 AM (QLNHI)
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Please review my last post to Esteban, infomaven extraordinaire.
Posted by: Chik-fil-a Little at June 24, 2013 07:46 AM (z5nJY)
In 2010, the Tea Party shook the pillars of DC. Naturally, they would push back. We expected this. Now, they are shown for the police staters we always knew they were.
It isn't time to quit just because the enemy counter-attacked.
We just need to get mad dog mean. We must hang together...
Posted by: Invictus at June 24, 2013 07:47 AM (OQpzc)
I got yelled at and "unfollwed" on twitter by a so-called black conservataive for merely suggesting that the Zimmerman trial should play out before we hang the guy. Was told that things like not buying the prosecution's story hook line and sinker is racist and what's "wrong with today's GOP".
SMOD, hurry up.
Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at June 24, 2013 07:47 AM (YmPwQ)
A Red America of the interior willing to use shale and food as a strategic resource could cut a deal with Russia and China as trade partners....
How far the new America has to go will be based on how far the Blue make them go
Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at June 24, 2013 07:47 AM (LRFds)
Posted by: Burn the Witch at June 24, 2013 07:49 AM (QLNHI)
Posted by: Chromoly Man at June 24, 2013 07:50 AM (/+EhN)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 24, 2013 07:51 AM (/wToa)
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Big dick for a white man? I'll have to assume you've seen more than your share. Is there latent quasi-racism in the statement in your race/penis size comment? No. Of course not. Blacks just happen to be good at math, and Jews are good dancers.
Posted by: Chik-fil-a Little at June 24, 2013 07:51 AM (z5nJY)
Posted by: Burn the Witch at June 24, 2013 07:53 AM (QLNHI)
Encouraging an additional dozen or so million who formerly lived the "sustainable" life style to come here and indulge in central air, bio-engineered food, petroleum and fertilized lawns ought to be something our Earth-worshipping friends should be fighting against, right?
Posted by: Russian Border Guards at June 24, 2013 07:53 AM (Q9qpj)
Posted by: Chromoly Man at June 24, 2013 07:54 AM (/+EhN)
/shocked face
Posted by: Burn the Witch at June 24, 2013 11:53 AM (QLNHI)
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Who hates what now? I'm sorry - I wasn't listening.
Posted by: Chik-fil-a Little at June 24, 2013 07:55 AM (z5nJY)
Enjoy your bread and circuses, folks. It's the last hurrah during the death of an empire.
Posted by: shillelagh at June 24, 2013 07:55 AM (hRzu2)
Posted by: HoboJerky, Hash Hunter at June 24, 2013 11:36 AM (X4HxX)
'IF' Snowden has evidence that they did indeed spy on the Russians at that G-8 or 20 conference a few years ago... it could be a very interesting test case for the law.
It is illegal to tap phones in most countries... and spies are not absolved from this... they are expected to go down if caught...
Various countries, including the US, have said the have 'worldwide jurisdiction' and can enforce US Law even if the perp never entered the country (see Manual Noriega)...
So the question becomes, can a foreign State then SUE us for breaking our OWN law? or could they sue us in the country in which we spied on them?
Because we broke the one cardinal rule of spies... we done got caught...
Posted by: Romeo13 at June 24, 2013 07:57 AM (lZBBB)
Posted by: Chromoly Man at June 24, 2013 07:57 AM (/+EhN)
Posted by: Russian Border Guards at June 24, 2013 08:00 AM (Q9qpj)
Posted by: Burn the Witch at June 24, 2013 08:01 AM (QLNHI)
Posted by: Chromoly Man at June 24, 2013 11:57 AM (/+EhN)
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Why do you hate non-whites who benefit from state-sponsored trade practices that reward American corporations from shipping jobs overseas. Why do hate the Chinese, the Phillipinos, the Indians, the Bangledeshis, the Indonesians, the Sri Lankens, the Guatamalens, the Mexicans? Why so much hate for all those non-whites? Don't you know that big business is just out to help them, and manipulates the government so that the world can be helped? I don't understand the greed of the working class white people at all. The international banks and the multi-nationals are just trying to HELP !
Posted by: Chik-fil-a Little at June 24, 2013 08:03 AM (z5nJY)
Posted by: Chromoly Man at June 24, 2013 08:03 AM (/+EhN)
Which is what Ace is good for, mostly.Posted by: Chromoly Man at June 24, 2013 08:06 AM (/+EhN)
Good girl. Now don't forget the balls. They like the attention too.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at June 24, 2013 12:01 PM (QLNHI)
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Balls? Oh, you mean the ones in this rusty thimble on the shelf? I thought they were dehydrated fly turds. My bad.
Posted by: Chik-fil-a Little at June 24, 2013 08:06 AM (z5nJY)
Posted by: DrDrill at June 24, 2013 08:10 AM (sOFZs)
Why don't trolls ever have an actual argument? Is there some kind of special troll training center where they learn how to ignore reality?
Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/b][/u] at June 24, 2013 08:11 AM (sbV1u)
Posted by: RiverC at June 24, 2013 08:11 AM (El+h4)
We already banned all of the intelligent leftist trolls. The only ones left are illegal immigrants from PuffHost and DailyKos.
Posted by: RiverC at June 24, 2013 08:12 AM (El+h4)
Posted by: Sean Bannion at June 24, 2013 12:11 PM (sbV1u)
I think it's the echo chamber inside their own heads. The voices tell them to say things and they say them.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at June 24, 2013 08:15 AM (4df7R)
We already banned all of the intelligent leftist trolls. The only ones left are illegal immigrants from PuffHost and DailyKos.
I throw the bullshit flag on that one.
There is no such thing as an intelligent leftist troll. Might as well be looking for unicorns.
There might be humorous[//i] leftist trolls or clever leftist trolls or even sentient leftist trolls. But there is not such thing as an intelligent leftist troll.
Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/b][/u] at June 24, 2013 08:16 AM (sbV1u)
Posted by: panzernashorn at June 24, 2013 08:18 AM (MhA4j)
http://tinyurl.com/n4ww4t4
Posted by: Vic at June 24, 2013 11:24 AM (lZvxr)"
Well, that one is easy. Lisa Murkowski is getting a bribe from the fishing industry so that they import low wage workers and eliminate the high wages that are now going to Alaskan fishermen.
The real question is why the Republican senators who are not taking bribes are voting for this shit sandwich. The simplest answer is that they are gay and want to stay in the closet. If they do not vote the way the Democrats want, the Democrats will reveal that information, possibly with phone pictures just before the next election.
That assumption makes it a lot easier to understand what is going on with Rubio, Hoeven, Corker and any other Republicans who support this.
Posted by: Obnoxious A-hole at June 24, 2013 08:27 AM (31Nrp)
Posted by: Sean Bannion at June 24, 2013 12:16 PM (sbV1u)
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Yeah, you got all the brains locked up tight in your dirtbox, until the next bowel movement (ie, the next failed national election). Karl Rove is actually laughing at you while he counts your donations. Read it. Learn it. Know it.
Posted by: Johnny McAldoo at June 24, 2013 08:38 AM (z5nJY)
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Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 24, 2013 08:46 AM (/wToa)
So your contention is that they were lying from the start, fully intending to betray their supporters in pursuit of power?
I understand your point of view but I have, perhaps naively, more faith in my fellow man. Instead of lying sociopaths, I think that they are weak men who are being blackmailed for succumbing to their weaknesses.
Posted by: Obnoxious A-hole at June 24, 2013 08:51 AM (31Nrp)
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Posted by: Obnoxious A-hole at June 24, 2013 12:51 PM (31Nrp)
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Are you talking about congress or Wall Street investment bank power brokers? What's that ... ? There's no difference? Hmmm, there's a thought.
Posted by: Johnny McAldoo at June 24, 2013 08:56 AM (z5nJY)
What you're not able to see is that the argument(s) in D.C. isn't about dismantling our huge government or about balancing the budget, improving the economy or even about re-storing Constitutional limitations on government.
The argument is about which party gets to control our current and very real police state.
Until you understand that, nothing they are doing will make any sense.
Posted by: Warren Bonesteel at June 24, 2013 08:56 AM (klGLB)
I wonder if the immigration cheerleaders would have noticed if he had been just a little bit more honest and said "Hey, they might be Mescans, but they're still better than Blacks!" Since that IS what he was saying.
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