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August 16, 2013

In Other RNC News....Ban On CNN/NBC Debates Passes
— DrewM

NBC and CNN can have their Hillary shows or they can have GOP debates.

Top RNC leaders voted unanimously on a resolution stating that the national party will not partner with the networks nor sanction any primary debates they plan to sponsor and broadcast. (Read a full copy of the resolution below.)
Cable and broadcast television networks have sponsored and produced dozens of presidential primary debates during the recent presidential election cycles, often partnering with state parties or other political organizations in order to draw candidates to the televised events. During the 2012 cycle, top networks sponsored at least 20 debates that stretched from May 2011 to February 2012; CNN hosted seven debates, while NBC News, CNBC or MSNBC hosted four.
The networks do not need the permission of the RNC to host such debates, but the resolution approved Friday likely will prompt state party officials and other conservative organizations to not sponsor, sanction or attend any debates hosted by NBC or CNN and thus keep candidates from attending.

The last bit is the rub. The RNC really can't control this unless...they are willing to penalize states/candidates that have unapproved debates. The odds of that actually happening are fairly low.

The big penalty would be delegates. State parties hate that because it's a fun time and important people go to the national convention and state officials want to be important so they won't agree to dock each other's votes. Even if say the SC GOP was to hold a debate on CNN, people in Iowa won't vote to dock their delegates because next time it could be them. No one will want to set the precedent that the national committee can boss around the states that way.

As for candidates, if you're a 3rd tier guy who isn't getting any traction yet, you'll go because you're not worried about losing delegates you can't get unless you make a splash in a debate (think Newt and Santorum last time). You're going to go and dare the RNC to punish you and your theoretical delegates. But first you have to get them and that means air time.

Maybe it'll lead to a compromise on moderators, though I doubt VERY IMPORTANT NEWS ORGANIZATIONS will be willing to let a party (other than the Democrats) be seen as making editorial decisions for them.

One thing I don't like about it is plays into this narrative that Hillary is something to be feared. I bet these shows tank. Republicans are spending far to much time fretting about this woman.

Keep a few things in mind about her...

She was inevitable in 2008. And then she wasn't.

She's a terrible candidate. Other than hardcore liberals and Team Girl Power, a lot of people just don't like her.

The Obama people (staff and hardcore supporters) HATED her. remember she represented the ugly past of compromise and triangulation. They wanted the real deal lefty God. Do you really think she's going to get to bask in the reflective glow of Obama?

Biden's going to run too. He's not going to win and he's not going to be the darling of the Obama left but he and his surrogates will leak plenty of news about how Hillary badly served the One True Democratic God. She's not going to stroll to the nomination as the rightful inheritor of the Obama mantle without getting bloodied in the process.

There are all these stories about how no one will run if Hillary! gets in. Bull. Some obscure lefty with a new and exciting story will jump in and Democrats will fall in love with the shiny new toy. Hillary! may run and she may get the nomination but it won't be by acclimation and she won't be unblemished heading into the general.

It's good to see the GOP call out the media in any way but stop building Hillary! up as if she's Ronald Reagan in 1984. Act like you're happy to have her run, even if you aren't. Don't psych yourself out of the game before it even starts.

Posted by: DrewM at 09:58 AM | Comments (184)
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1 she won't be unblemished heading into the general

Leper colonies have fewer blemishes.

Posted by: pep at August 16, 2013 10:00 AM (6TB1Z)

2 Joe Biden!

Posted by: Joe Biden at August 16, 2013 10:00 AM (m14ui)

Even if they cancel their Hillary shows...they should still be banned.

Because they are egg-sucking liberal dogs.

And they would still be biased against our candidates.

Posted by: wheatie at August 16, 2013 10:01 AM (el7k2)

4 It's a shame this good news had to be overshadowed by some retard who thinks opposition to amnesty is horrific.

Posted by: SpongeBob ReaverSaget at August 16, 2013 10:02 AM (epxV4)

5 They should be banned unless they agree to let Philip Seymour Hoffman play Hillary.

Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at August 16, 2013 10:03 AM (YmPwQ)

6 What gives? Is Ace sick again or taking a long weekend?

Posted by: L, elle at August 16, 2013 10:04 AM (0PiQ4)

7 Ah man.

Posted by: Bloody Snakes at August 16, 2013 10:04 AM (od00y)

8 I don't interpret this as the RNC saying Hillary is all powerful. On the contrary, they're acknowledging that CNN and NBC apparently think she needs an image booster and refusing to do business with organizations that would do something that nakedly partisan.

Posted by: Ian S. at August 16, 2013 10:04 AM (B/VB5)

9 Maryland's governor Martin O'Malley qualifies as an obscure lefty with unimpeachable liberal credentials and a poorly-concealed hunger for the Big Job. Of course, he's from Maryland, and Marylanders are both terrible drivers and psychotic. So...who else?

Posted by: Skip Tracer at August 16, 2013 10:04 AM (2+bRt)

10 I don't know what the republicans are bitching about. It's not like we in the media are biased enough to help out our own candidate or anything.

Posted by: Candee CrowleeNotsuckingtfg'sdick at August 16, 2013 10:05 AM (dO6it)

11 Good, more posts. Lets put some distance between us and the clow car act from earlier. Hillary doesn't have a prayer. You heard it here first. She's old. Her health stinks. She's an awful public speaker. She got stomped by the God King last to rond, when he was still just a community organizer Bill wanted to send for coffee. She hasn't done anything right in the Middle East, or Russia, or China or any where. Huma is her girlfriend and the entire world thinks Huma is weird, and by extension so is Hillbabe. No chance. She won't even win the nomination.

Posted by: MTF at August 16, 2013 10:06 AM (DcbLC)

12 I think that's a good start. Stop the rest of the fucking pandering to the evil left and they'll get my attention again. Until that portion of hell freezes over, they can go play some hide and go fuck themselves. The GOP is dead to me.

Posted by: © Sponge at August 16, 2013 10:06 AM (xmcEQ)

13 Don't worry. The RNC, in keeping with their milksop tradition will relent. They are the loser party after all, and they are making tradition.

Posted by: maddogg at August 16, 2013 10:06 AM (xWW96)

14 A good step in the right direction.

Posted by: Lincolntf at August 16, 2013 10:08 AM (ZshNr)

15 If you think Hillary looks worn and haggard now wait until 2016 when she's nearly 70

Posted by: Vote Lord Humungus 2016 at August 16, 2013 10:08 AM (HEa5q)

16 And if allowed to be a moderator again, I promise to not suck Hillary's dick. Well, at least not on camera. But she is pretty hawt, isn't she.

Posted by: Candee CrowleeNotsuckingtfg'sdick at August 16, 2013 10:08 AM (dO6it)

17 let it burn....for every step forward they go three hundred trillion steps back.....

Posted by: phoenixgirl @phxazgrl i support the rodeo clown at August 16, 2013 10:08 AM (8JJ6O)

18
RNC draws a firm line in the vanilla puddling.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at August 16, 2013 10:08 AM (kdS6q)

19 The GOP knows that the full throated support and cover currently provided to Obama is going to transition seamlessly onto Hillary. It was in effect prior to the rising of Obama, and will be again. It isn't Hillary that they fear, but the water carrying media is who they are trying to preempt.

Posted by: Brew Master at August 16, 2013 10:08 AM (T0dFH)

20 I think it's a moot point for D vs. R debates anyhow. That leverage probably exists for whoever is leading in the polls. If the Dem candidate is up by 10, I'm not sure the Republican candidate has much to lose by agreeing to a debate on CNN/etc.

Posted by: Hal at August 16, 2013 10:08 AM (MftY/)

21 Doesn't matter how many people "don't like Hillary". She's gonna win, and win big. The GOP has Christie...Hahahaha. Unless and until we on the Right find the ballz to nominate someone who CLEARLY isn't Lib-Lite, it's a gonna be a looooong day for the GOP. And besides, a woman following Obama as POTUS is a nice narrative to attract ignorant voters.

Posted by: Pelosi Schmelosi at August 16, 2013 10:09 AM (gjG9S)

22 @11: Right. Hillary is the most damaged "inevitable" candidate in history. I think 2012 was her last reasonable chance and now she's both too old and associated with too many of TFG's epic failures to win.

Posted by: Ian S. at August 16, 2013 10:09 AM (B/VB5)

23 The thievery of votes would be even more astronomical if that harpy were on the ballot.

Posted by: Mb at August 16, 2013 10:10 AM (Hx3jP)

24 Good. We need more control over these "Debates" and I only need give you 3 words: Fat Candy Crowley

Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 16, 2013 10:10 AM (jE38p)

25 The GOP knows that the full throated support and cover currently provided to Obama is going to transition seamlessly onto Hillary The first womyn president! Everyone run out and get a degree in Womyn's Studies!

Posted by: Candee CrowleeNotsuckingtfg'sdick at August 16, 2013 10:11 AM (dO6it)

26 Right. Hillary is the most damaged "inevitable" candidate in history. I think 2012 was her last reasonable chance and now she's both too old and associated with too many of TFG's epic failures to win. Posted by: Ian S. at August 16, 2013 02:09 PM (B/VB5) Keep in mind we're talking LIV's here. They don't know she's damaged and NEVER WILL. You think the media is in the tank for Owebama, just wait. You ain't seen nuthin yet. If Hillary runs, she'll win in a landslide.

Posted by: © Sponge at August 16, 2013 10:11 AM (xmcEQ)

27 They should be banned unless they agree to let Philip Seymour Hoffman play Hillary.

Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at August 16, 2013 02:03 PM (YmPwQ)

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Oh, man. That is fucking PERFECT.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at August 16, 2013 10:11 AM (CJjw5)

28 Anecdotal: I have a friend who's a Reagan Democrat, hates Obama but would crawl over rabid some-type-of-weasels to vote for Hillary. She just loves her.

Posted by: spongeworthy at August 16, 2013 10:11 AM (r5w1L)

29 $10 says nothing will change from last time around

we will still see debates where MSM moderators bitchslap GOP candidates and ask them questions along the lines of 'when did you stop beating your wife?' and 'some say you hate women and black people- would you care to respond?'

Posted by: Jones in CO at August 16, 2013 10:11 AM (8sCoq)

30 Corey Booker has the bio and skin color(but mostly skin color) to be the next Dem candidate for President.

Posted by: steevy at August 16, 2013 10:12 AM (9XBK2)

31 She's a terrible candidate. Other than hardcore liberals and Team Girl Power, a lot of people just don't like her. **************** True, but unfortunately, as we learned in 2012, hardcore libs and Team Girl Power are enough to swing an election to an awful Dim candidate with a proven record of failure -- especially against a weak Republican.

Posted by: Trivial Pursuer at August 16, 2013 10:12 AM (/sohm)

32 Let's see, how many big E.V. states are blue? Hillary gets the following votes: lefties, loyal Dems (not all lefties are Dems), low-info voters, women who want to see history made (first female P), + anyonebutarepublican. Which Rethuglican is going to beat her? Remember, she didn't lose the Dem nom to Obama, the party engineered it out from under her.

Posted by: SFGoth at August 16, 2013 10:12 AM (WdYjL)

33 The RNC is like Italy at the outset of WW II, all talk and no guts. I look for the Pussy Coalition to fold like a Japanese fan as the election looms. Then they will let Rachel Madcow moderate them.

Posted by: maddogg at August 16, 2013 10:13 AM (xWW96)

34 I think the GOP should boycott the entire MSM. Lately I've heard that there is some desire to use talk radio hosts as moderators. I said that back in the primary debates in 2011.

Posted by: rickl at August 16, 2013 10:13 AM (zoehZ)

35 I still think Hillary will come out as a lesbian(or bi) before 2016,giving her a whole new bloom o the left.HISTORIC!

Posted by: steevy at August 16, 2013 10:13 AM (9XBK2)

36 >>>Of course, he's from Maryland, and Marylanders are both terrible drivers and psychotic.

At least our roads are fucking paved, unlike the hillbilly dirt-paths that pass for highways in Virginia. And MD drivers do just fine, in my experience (and speaking as one).

Everything else you said about this shithole state is true. Fuck Martin O'Malley. Forever.

Posted by: Jeff B., what has finally had it with this RINO shit at August 16, 2013 10:13 AM (yemTi)

37 Let the pigeons loose!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Z5BS5uR73k

NSFW

Its Friday and the RNC is soooo fuckin lame!!

BIRM

Posted by: dananjcon at August 16, 2013 10:14 AM (jvd3N)

38 If you think Hillary looks worn and haggard now wait until 2016 when she's nearly 70 ********************** Nah, she'll likely have had lots of "freshening" cosmetic surgical procedures completed by then.

Posted by: Trivial Pursuer at August 16, 2013 10:14 AM (/sohm)

39
Hillary doesn't have a prayer. You heard it here first.
Posted by: MTF

Take it from me. She's what you'd call results orientated.

Posted by: Vince Foster

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at August 16, 2013 10:14 AM (kdS6q)

40 Do you really think she's going to get to bask in the reflective glow of Obama? Biden's going to run too. He's not going to win

Me! Me! Me! Me! Me! Me!

Posted by: Take Another Look and Pull the Lever for Wiener! at August 16, 2013 10:14 AM (6xhLc)

41 Also,we are thinking about this like the election will be fair.

Posted by: steevy at August 16, 2013 10:14 AM (9XBK2)

42 It would be hilarious if the "threat" of using Levin, Rush, Hannity, Ingraham, etc to monitor/host the debates -- on a competing channel -- at the same time as when cnn or nbc runs them. ratings, baby ratings as long as they are both not run up against Duck Dynasty, evidently

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 16, 2013 10:15 AM (IXrOn)

43 The GOP would inspire more confidence if the would institute a ban on members with an ACU rating of less than 98

Posted by: Former GOP Voter at August 16, 2013 10:15 AM (vYB+W)

DrewM? You've apparently missed the context of the fight brewing in the Dem party.

The recent hit piece on the Clinton Library fund in the New York Times??? First salvo in the war between the Clinton and Obama wings of the Democrat party.

The Obama cabal has lied its way into power, and now believes (after getting a NOBODY like Obama elected twice) that they can control the election.... and get anyone elected...

Look for Susan Rice... Michele... Holder.... someone from that group to start making moves....

And they will push the resurgence we are already seeing, in the Press, of Romney... so they can run against him again...

Posted by: Romeo13 at August 16, 2013 10:15 AM (lZBBB)

45 Yeah, all that Hillary is inevitable talk is coming from her supporters in hopes of convincing others it's her turn.
She has no record of accomplishment, and actual failures (with a body count) as SoS. Benghazi 24/7 - make her explain all of her mistakes again and again.

Posted by: ACORN at August 16, 2013 10:16 AM (h9IBQ)

46 Let the pigeons loose!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Z5BS5uR73k NSFW Its Friday and the RNC is soooo fuckin lame!! BIRM Posted by: dananjcon at August 16, 2013 02:14 PM (jvd3N) That's right up there with "keep fuckin that chicken." WTF does that even MEAN!?!?!

Posted by: © Sponge at August 16, 2013 10:16 AM (xmcEQ)

47 This is a great decision just for its future comedic value.

Posted by: Roy at August 16, 2013 10:16 AM (VndSC)

48 They'll cave.

Posted by: NCKate at August 16, 2013 10:16 AM (kwl+3)

49 I won't lie -- I'm very pessimistic about our chances against Hillary in 2016. I feel like a surprise stroke or heart attack is pretty much the only thing keeping us from a replay of the Reagan/Reagan/Bush sequence in the form of Obama/Obama/Clinton.

People really don't grasp how much appeal Hillary has to women voters. It's tribalism, sure, but it's just the Obama/African-American phenomenon on a less extreme, but broader-based, scale.

Posted by: Jeff B., what has finally had it with this RINO shit at August 16, 2013 10:16 AM (yemTi)

50 Also,we are thinking about this like the election will be fair. ******************* Yep. Aside from the Dim's usual cheating, we now have to worry about their huge information advantage -- courtesy of the NSA and lib-run companies like Google, Apple, etc.

Posted by: Trivial Pursuer at August 16, 2013 10:17 AM (/sohm)

51 >>>If Hillary runs, she'll win in a landslide. Probably. Safest play is to convince Obama to put Hillary on SCOTUS.

Posted by: wooga at August 16, 2013 10:17 AM (m14ui)

52 45 And they will push the resurgence we are already seeing, in the Press, of Romney... so they can run against him again... Posted by: Romeo13 at August 16, 2013 02:15 PM (lZBBB) I don't think even the GOP would be stupid enough to nominate Romney again.

Posted by: rickl at August 16, 2013 10:17 AM (zoehZ)

53 24 The thievery of votes would be even more astronomical if that harpy were on the ballot.Posted by: Mb at August 16, 2013 02:10 PM (Hx3jP)
There has never been any evidence of any election fraud.

Posted by: Juan Williams at August 16, 2013 10:17 AM (kWSVQ)

54 also, please keep in mind that most elections are decided by Stupid People- people who don't watch debates and wouldn't understand the issues being discussed even if they DID watch-

do you think Obamapho Lady or the average viewer of "Honey Boo Boo" even knows what the Keystone Pipeline IS?

No. Their level of discourse is somewhere along the lines of 'fire BAD. Cheese GOOD.'

Posted by: Jones in CO at August 16, 2013 10:17 AM (8sCoq)

55 The Obama people (staff and hardcore supporters) HATED her. Remember the O-bots' "Bros not hos" rallying cry? Yet it's the Republicans who are accused of a war on teh wimmins.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at August 16, 2013 10:17 AM (7ObY1)

56 migraine day I wonder if Ace is feelin' it, too.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at August 16, 2013 10:18 AM (IXrOn)

>>>... it's just the Obama/African-American phenomenon on a less extreme, but broader-based, scale.

ISWYDT

Posted by: Roy at August 16, 2013 10:18 AM (VndSC)

58
"The Obama people (staff and hardcore supporters) HATED her. remember she represented the ugly past of compromise and triangulation. They wanted the real deal lefty God. Do you really think she's going to get to bask in the reflective glow of Obama?"

It's not like they'll have much choice. The Party of Obama has no heir apparent, other than Slow Joe, and nobody's taking him seriously. For them, it's work with Hillary or go home to Chicago: and they're not about to do that.

As for Hillary, recall that wrote her thesis on Saul Alinsky and helped to prosecute Richard Nixon: she has an inner Leftist that she will be delighted to let run free, especially if it gains her the support of an organization that will carry her into the Oval Office.

Posted by: Brown Line at August 16, 2013 10:18 AM (VrNoa)

59 Probably. Safest play is to convince Obama to put Hillary on SCOTUS.

Posted by: wooga at August 16, 2013 02:17 PM (m14ui)

Fukkin' A, Then the bitch can plague us for fucking life. Great idea.

Posted by: maddogg at August 16, 2013 10:18 AM (xWW96)

60 We should have been doing things like this back in the 1980s. The media has always been hostile to us, and we should never have given them the respectability of pretending they were anything but biased. Republicans should long ago have gotten into the broadcast media business. Towns used to have Competing Republican/Democrat newspapers, but I guess the Republicans just stopped competing when the technology advanced, because they didn't advance with it.

Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at August 16, 2013 10:19 AM (bb5+k)

61 Anybody that doesn't support or voted for Hillary Clinton is stooped. She carry on the great successes from our President Of Color...............

Posted by: LaQuisha Largess' at August 16, 2013 10:19 AM (90aTA)

62 55 We need a candidate who can appeal to retards.Larry the Cable Guy 2016!(I like Larry and he is conservative,not knocking him)

Posted by: steevy at August 16, 2013 10:19 AM (9XBK2)

63 >Nah, she'll likely have had lots of "freshening" cosmetic surgical procedures completed by then.

Posted by: Trivial Pursuer at August 16, 2013 02:14 PM (/sohm)

we're going to need a bigger tub of Spackle

Posted by: Jones in CO at August 16, 2013 10:19 AM (8sCoq)

64 Their level of discourse is somewhere along the lines of 'fire BAD. Cheese GOOD.' But they are correct where Obama and Hillary are never right.

Posted by: mare at August 16, 2013 10:20 AM (A98Xu)

65 So, this is RNC's version of a squirrel, I guess. Wingers, here's some token nothing to make you think we give a damn.

Posted by: L, elle at August 16, 2013 10:20 AM (0PiQ4)

66 I don't think even the GOP would be stupid enough to nominate Romney again.

Posted by: rickl at August 16, 2013 02:17 PM (zoehZ)

Yeah.... we want McCain.... he missed his turn.... so should get a Do Over...

Posted by: GOP at August 16, 2013 10:21 AM (lZBBB)

67 We need a candidate who can appeal to retards. Sarah's not running. (and before the flames start coming, I supported her during the 2008 campaign, wholeheartedly. It's her actions ever since that turned me off. Way off.)

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at August 16, 2013 10:22 AM (7ObY1)

Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at August 16, 2013 02:19 PM (bb5+k)

Candy Creepy Crawley Moderator of a Presidential Debate?

Party... of Stoooopid...

Posted by: GOP at August 16, 2013 10:22 AM (lZBBB)

69 ADM Josh Painter quote!

Posted by: Jones in CO at August 16, 2013 10:23 AM (8sCoq)

70 That's right up there with "keep fuckin that chicken."

WTF does that even MEAN!?!?!

Posted by: Â© Sponge at August 16, 2013 02:16 PM (xmcEQ)

I first remember hearing it on Happy Days...

30 years later I still have no friggin idea what it means but I like it...ALOT.

Posted by: dananjcon at August 16, 2013 10:23 AM (jvd3N)

71 Yeah.... we want McCain.... he missed his turn.... so should get a Do Over...
Posted by: GOP at August 16, 2013 02:21 PM (lZBBB)
But what about Bob Dole?

Posted by: Bob Dole at August 16, 2013 10:23 AM (kWSVQ)

72 >>>Sarah's not running.

(and before the flames start coming, I supported her during the 2008 campaign, wholeheartedly. It's her actions ever since that turned me off. Way off.)

Thank you for writing this because I frankly don't have the balls to go poking the hornet's nest like that right now.

Although honestly I think that most of the Morons are also "over" her as well. What an irrelevancy.

Posted by: Jeff B., what has finally had it with this RINO shit at August 16, 2013 10:24 AM (yemTi)

73 >(and before the flames start coming, I supported her during the 2008 campaign, wholeheartedly. It's her actions ever since that turned me off. Way off.)

MAYBE YOU JUST HATE THE VAJAYJAY

;- )

Posted by: Jones in CO at August 16, 2013 10:24 AM (8sCoq)

74 The Dems have a deadly duo in da Beast to appeal to Low Testosterone voters, and Joe Biden to appeal to the retard voters. They can identify with Biden. P&VP.

Posted by: maddogg at August 16, 2013 10:24 AM (xWW96)

75 we're going to need a bigger tub of Spackle

Posted by: Jones in CO

This schpackle must be amaaaaazing stuff.

Posted by: Balki Bartokomous [/i] [/b] at August 16, 2013 10:25 AM (c3xwz)

76 Hillary doesn't have a prayer. You heard it here first. She's old. Her health stinks. She's an awful public speaker. She got stomped by the God King last to rond, when he was still just a community organizer Bill wanted to send for coffee. She hasn't done anything right in the Middle East, or Russia, or China or any where. Huma is her girlfriend and the entire world thinks Huma is weird, and by extension so is Hillbabe. No chance. She won't even win the nomination. Posted by: MTF at August 16, 2013 02:06 PM (DcbLC) Five years ago I would have agreed completely. She has scandals out the ass, and she would have been chopped into bloody mincemeat by Republicans reminding everyone of all her smelly scandals. Plus shes a hag, an ass, and hateful by nature. But after what i've seen the Media do with the sows ear called Obama, I no longer see massively horrible baggage as an impediment to a Democrat. She will be given a pass, and any attempt to implicate her in scandal will probably cause more damage to the Republican than her. It's all upside down nowadays.

Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at August 16, 2013 10:25 AM (bb5+k)

Exactly. 30 years behind in the fight seems about right. Look for the GOP to come out against Amnesty in 2045 or so.

Posted by: MegaIndependento at August 16, 2013 02:21 PM (uvaJ1)

Its 15 year HALF cycles... Ronnie Rayguns Amnesty was a bit over 30 years ago.... so we've cycled all the way back to support...

Posted by: GOP at August 16, 2013 10:25 AM (lZBBB)

78 Hillary won't be the nominee anyway. The democrat party cannot win a national election without a black on the top of the ticket. They may plan to put Booker on the bottom of the ticket, but I doubt that will cut it.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at August 16, 2013 10:25 AM (/i3Yt)

79 Two best creations by God. Tits and Vaj.

Posted by: © Sponge at August 16, 2013 10:25 AM (xmcEQ)

80 Hillary in the Oral Office. Hmmmm...

Posted by: rickb223 at August 16, 2013 10:25 AM (8D0/R)

81 What are our RINO choices looking like so far?

Posted by: sTevo at August 16, 2013 10:25 AM (5YlPM)

82 "If you think Hillary looks worn and haggard now wait until 2016 when she's nearly 70"

You'd be amazed what we can do with Photoshop. Not that it matters, since we will always photograph her silhouetted against a backlight, so all the retards in fly-over country can see her nimbus.

Posted by: The MSM at August 16, 2013 10:26 AM (VrNoa)

83 At least our roads are fucking paved, unlike the hillbilly dirt-paths that pass for highways in Virginia. And MD drivers do just fine, in my experience (and speaking as one).

No, MD drivers are psychotically bad, he's got that 100% right. If I didn't have my dream job here I'd be trying very hard to get the hell back out of this state. I've felt safer driving in LA rush hour.

Posted by: Ian S. at August 16, 2013 10:26 AM (B/VB5)

84 The GOP knows that the full throated support and cover currently provided to Obama is going to transition seamlessly onto Hillary. It was in effect prior to the rising of Obama, and will be again. It isn't Hillary that they fear, but the water carrying media is who they are trying to preempt. Posted by: Brew Master at August 16, 2013 02:08 PM (T0dFH) Same thing I said, but more succinct.

Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at August 16, 2013 10:26 AM (bb5+k)

85 No one tells Chris Christie where to debate or what to eat.

Posted by: Chris Christie at August 16, 2013 10:27 AM (qRasw)

86 We plan on giving CNN's slot to Business Insider!

Posted by: Rinse Prius at August 16, 2013 10:28 AM (5H6zj)

"No one will want to set the precedent that the national committee can boss around the states that way."

How about the precedent that the networks can push the Republicans around? That seems to have been set already and it needs to be smashed.

Oh, and let's outdo Nanny Bloomers, and say "No more Candy!" while we're at it.

Posted by: Ray Van Dune at August 16, 2013 10:29 AM (sG76x)

88 If we have learned anything since 2008, it is that anybody can get elected President. Even if your middle name is Hussein and there are photos of you on the web wearing a turban and it's less than a decade after September 11th, you can get elected President.

The Left has hit upon a winning strategy. Turn people into sheep and simply herd them in the direction you want them to go.

Posted by: Jones in CO at August 16, 2013 10:29 AM (8sCoq)

89 I'm gonna go ahead and throw my support behind "MD drivers are bugfuck insane." They're topped only by VA drivers.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at August 16, 2013 10:29 AM (da5Wo)

90 OT reading about the newly discovered mammal in the sidebar.Well not so newly discovered,they had one moving from zoo to zoo 1967 to 1976 trying to get it to mate with others they thought were of it's kind.Turns out it was a different similar species.

Posted by: steevy at August 16, 2013 10:29 AM (9XBK2)

91 I hope her campaign falls apart like a leper in a wind tunnel.

Posted by: Tilikum the Killer Assault Whale at August 16, 2013 10:30 AM (uhftQ)

92 The balls on these guys...

are still way too small.

Posted by: Dang at August 16, 2013 10:30 AM (Hx2XA)

Hillary has zero charisma.

Barky oozes charisma.

That's what makes people like him...even when they are pissed off about the things he's doing to us.

Hillary isn't even as good of an actor as he is.

And she's...not...likeable.

I hope they do run Hillary.

She will lose.

Posted by: wheatie at August 16, 2013 10:30 AM (el7k2)

94 @90: You gotta admit, BI's plan was pretty good. Try to look and sound like another boring Bloomberg-alike while committing sub-Buzzfeed journalism. It tricked a lot of people into thinking they weren't the left's version of Newsmax, for a while anyway.

Posted by: Ian S. at August 16, 2013 10:30 AM (B/VB5)

95 Why this is contingent on whether or not these puff pieces about Saint Hillary are broadcasted baffles me.

The RNC should simply state to all networks: we'll decide on the moderator(s), format, set, candidates, etc., and you can broadcast it, or not. Broadcast television is far from the only game in town these days anyway.

The RNC really needs to get out of "please, sir, may I have another" mode.

Posted by: ToursLepantoVienna at August 16, 2013 10:30 AM (6NIyO)

96 Posted by: Â© Sponge at August 16, 2013 02:25 PM (xmcEQ) Three (technically). Posted by: MegaIndependento at August 16, 2013 02:29 PM (uvaJ1) They come in two's.....it's hard to choose..... .your favorite tit. -Joe Walsh

Posted by: © Sponge at August 16, 2013 10:30 AM (xmcEQ)

97 At this point, what does it fuckin matter

Posted by: St. Onofre of the Tresles at teh office now... at August 16, 2013 10:31 AM (M1Eq2)

98 Ace make pancakes last night? What gives?

Posted by: © Sponge at August 16, 2013 10:31 AM (xmcEQ)

99 As a native Marylander I can attest to the near non-existent driving skills in MD. Once saw a driver come to a stop on 495 to change lanes...

Posted by: Jones in CO at August 16, 2013 10:32 AM (8sCoq)

100 Candy Creepy Crawley Moderator of a Presidential Debate? Party... of Stoooopid... Posted by: GOP at August 16, 2013 02:22 PM (lZBBB) Exactly. Most of us were bitching that it was a stupid move to accept her BEFORE THE FACT. I expect many of us were not the least bit surprised that she pulled that lying stunt with Romney. Fuck her and all the rest of those sappers as well.

Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at August 16, 2013 10:32 AM (bb5+k)

101 I hope her campaign falls apart like a leper in a wind tunnel. St. Peter is issuing me new travel documents as I type.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 16, 2013 10:32 AM (8D0/R)

102

Posted by: steevy at August 16, 2013 02:29 PM (9XBK2)

Racist bitch wouldn't put out....

Posted by: Joe Olingo at August 16, 2013 10:32 AM (lZBBB)

103 Dammit Hillary, IT"S MY TURN. I 'VE BEEN A GOOD TEAM PLAYER. I"M THE VP IT'S MY TURN!!!!!!!!11!!!!!1!!!

Posted by: Joe Biden at August 16, 2013 10:32 AM (vYB+W)

104 Ace make pancakes last night? What gives? Ran over a hobo with a Cat.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 16, 2013 10:33 AM (8D0/R)

105

Ace has been on fire all week.

Maybe he needed to take the day off.

Posted by: wheatie at August 16, 2013 10:33 AM (el7k2)

106 let us rejoice! in 2016 we're going to go with brains, balls, and charm out the wazoo!
Lindsay Graham! As long as we're going down the drain, let's go with someone who knows how to lose with grace!

Posted by: Mallfly at August 16, 2013 10:33 AM (bJm7W)

107 Aren't you tired of giving the GOP advice. The Republican party is irrelevant.

Posted by: Chop at August 16, 2013 10:34 AM (G3oS9)

108 >The RNC should simply state to all networks: we'll decide on the moderator(s), format, set, candidates, etc., and you can broadcast it, or not.

Exactly. It's not like the Presidential campaign debate is the intellectual property of CNN. In my view the networks' only involvement with the debates should be televising them.

Posted by: Jones in CO at August 16, 2013 10:34 AM (8sCoq)

109 Thank you for writing this because I frankly don't have the balls to go poking the hornet's nest like that right now. Posted by: Jeff B., what has finally had it with this RINO shit at August 16, 2013 02:24 PM (yemTi) Ball-less AND dick-less. No surprise there.

Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at August 16, 2013 10:34 AM (bb5+k)

110 It seems to be a failure of immagination, but why don't some conservatives put together a Hillary hit piece film? Why don't conservative filmmakers make a Benghazi movie? That's the way to fight their propaganda

Posted by: Iblis at August 16, 2013 10:34 AM (3p2ni)

111

Posted by: Mallfly at August 16, 2013 02:33 PM (bJm7W)

Shit.... even I know he's a Statist Warmongering Neo Con...

Posted by: Joe Olingo at August 16, 2013 10:34 AM (lZBBB)

112 This is a hill to die on?? Holy shit, it's shambles all the way down.

Posted by: soothsayer lightfoot at August 16, 2013 10:34 AM (yFHtF)

113 and Graham will know how to cross the aisle to win! He'll only go with the best and most experienced people! Expect him to promise Sec of State to Wise as an Owl Joe Biden.

Posted by: Mallfly at August 16, 2013 10:35 AM (bJm7W)

114 As a native Marylander I can attest to the near non-existent driving skills in MD. Once saw a driver come to a stop on 495 to change lanes...

Posted by: Jones in CO at August 16, 2013 02:32 PM (8sCoq)

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On 495? I think I spotted your problem.

Get away from DC and Baltimore and drivers still understand the meaning of 'Yield' and 'Stop'.

Posted by: Retread at August 16, 2013 10:35 AM (G+w7R)

115 Drew, you're still working off the premise that we will have free elections in 2016, or that Obama won't just run again because the 22nd amendment doesn't mean what it says. Or he won't just ignore the 22nd and run again anyway. I kind of hope he thinks he can get away with it.

Posted by: blindside at August 16, 2013 10:35 AM (x7g7t)

116
No one tells Chris Christie where to debate or what to eat.
Posted by: Chris Christie

From Chris Christie's nomination acceptance speech at the 2016 Republican Convention:

"The Democrats' policies worked about as well as my lap-band!"

*applause*
*laughter*
*crowd throws straw-hats in air*

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at August 16, 2013 10:35 AM (kdS6q)

117 Light the fucking lamp already.

Posted by: garrett at August 16, 2013 10:36 AM (vVwo5)

118 None of the GOP front runners have a chance.

Posted by: Eton Cox at August 16, 2013 10:36 AM (q177U)

119 Somebody poke the bear.

Posted by: Eton Cox at August 16, 2013 10:36 AM (q177U)

120 Yeah, what garret said.

Posted by: Eton Cox at August 16, 2013 10:36 AM (q177U)

121 If the democrats have to chose between Hillary and Joe Biden, it is going to be Hillary, Joe is, how do they say in french, a complete fucking idiot who even TOTUS could not help.

Posted by: Penfold at August 16, 2013 10:37 AM (Fbt5B)

122 Get jim gordon on the roof! The jokers on the loose, and only a highly trainable bear of small stature can stop him.

Posted by: Eton Cox at August 16, 2013 10:37 AM (q177U)

123

Posted by: Retread at August 16, 2013 02:35 PM (G+w7R)

Yeah..... lots of Transplants in MD...

Like the Older Hispanic drivers in Central California who do not have much experience... so drive below the speed limit in the fast lane... hands clutched on the wheel...

Every.... dam.... day....

Posted by: Romeo13 at August 16, 2013 10:38 AM (lZBBB)

124 If you think Hillary looks worn and haggard now wait until 2016 when she's nearly 70.

I'd give ace's right nut to be in the room when a council of her advisers tells Hillary! she has to quit drinking to improve her appearance and abilities during the campaign.

Posted by: bonhomme at August 16, 2013 10:38 AM (4QSOR)

125 Get away from DC and Baltimore and drivers still understand the meaning of 'Yield' and 'Stop'.

I've been out in fairly rural areas (Westminster) and there's still a significant amount of bugfuckery. In particular, the state sport of "if someone slows down in front of you, immediately pass on the right at 90 miles an hour" is fully on display.

Posted by: Ian S. at August 16, 2013 10:38 AM (B/VB5)

126 Moo.

Posted by: Candy Crowley at August 16, 2013 10:39 AM (wAQA5)

127 I do love a good headline

New York Post ‏@nypost 3m

Romanian princess arrested for alleged Oregon cockfighting ring http://nyp.st/18A0oby

Posted by: Jones in CO at August 16, 2013 10:39 AM (8sCoq)

128 Like the Older Hispanic drivers in ~~Central California~~ Texas who do not have much experience... so drive below the speed limit in the fast lane... hands clutched on the wheel... Every.... dam.... day.... Don't forget us!

Posted by: rickb223 at August 16, 2013 10:39 AM (8D0/R)

129

In particular, the state sport of "if someone slows down in front of you, immediately pass on the right at 90 miles an hour" is fully on display.

Posted by: Ian S. at August 16, 2013 02:38 PM (B/VB5)

LOL... that aint just MD....

Posted by: Romeo13 at August 16, 2013 10:39 AM (lZBBB)

130 The Left has hit upon a winning strategy. Turn people into sheep and simply herd them in the direction you want them to go. Posted by: Jones in CO at August 16, 2013 02:29 PM (8sCoq) Ownership of the Education system serves their purpose by failing to educate people. Ownership of the Media allows them to continue distracting them from learning by the constant production of "OW My Balls!" level of entertainment. And this is how you create a Brave New World.

Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at August 16, 2013 10:40 AM (bb5+k)

131 I recall that Hillary was the front-runner in 2008, right up until she wasn't.

And...she has more baggage now, and nothing in particular to show for her four years as SecState.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 16, 2013 10:40 AM (gqgiP)

132 hahahajajaja @ a lotta people dislike Hillary Clinton Not only was she receiving record amounts of votes in the primaries, she came within a whisker of winning the nom. Meanwhile the Republican primary votes in '08 and '12 could be counted on one hand.

Posted by: soothsayer lightfoot at August 16, 2013 10:40 AM (yFHtF)

133 I'm gonna go ahead and throw my support behind "MD drivers are bugfuck insane."

They're topped only by VA drivers.

Hey now, that needs a qualifier or three. In the USA, maybe. Outside of the USA you have to consider Italy, India, the Philippines, and various other strong contenders.

Posted by: bonhomme at August 16, 2013 10:40 AM (4QSOR)

134 Frankly, I think this was a great move: (1) The base likes it. We're tired of being pushed around by an MSM that doesn't even pretend to have objectivity anymore. (2) The debates last time were awful and most of it was CNN's and NBC's partisanship. (3) Who really wants to be the RINO douche who goes on an enemy network? I wouldn't. Maybe Christie, but that guy is going to alienate his own campaign staff if he runs. He's a jerk to everyone who doesn't bring him some donuts. (4) CNN and NBC news have made it abundantly clear that they don't like this move AT ALL. And no wonder. I've said it a million times: The networks need the debates, the candidates don't need the networks. (5) Lower-tiered candidates would prefer to have a Daily Caller debate or a National Review debate or a debate on a local news station (I guess the ban does not apply to independent NBC affiliates?) (6) They could always cancel the biopics. Note that they're not even suggesting that. On this I actually have more sympathy for NBC. They have a purported "entertainment division" even though that division seamlessly sent Alec Baldwin over to the "news" network. There's no excuse for CNN to have an elaborate production like this.

Posted by: AmishDude at August 16, 2013 10:40 AM (xSegX)

135 But can she survive the plastic surgery?

Posted by: wth at August 16, 2013 10:41 AM (wAQA5)

136

Romanian princess arrested for alleged Oregon cockfighting ring http://nyp.st/18A0oby

Posted by: Jones in CO at August 16, 2013 02:39 PM (8sCoq)

Cockfighting???? no... no... no.... its called Spades....

Wait.... whut??? they really used a Chicken??? Kinky! where do I sign up!

Posted by: Reggie Love at August 16, 2013 10:41 AM (lZBBB)

137 That'll show those networks. Especially when the GOP caves to popular pressure from their biggest constituency, liberal dems, and decides to do the debates anyway.

Yeah, winning on all the big issues.

Hell with 'em all.

Posted by: Karusky at August 16, 2013 10:42 AM (5Bl6p)

138 Posted by: BCochran1981 at August 16, 2013 02:29 PM (da5Wo)

Uh.....PA, NJ, MA...with honorable mentions to FL, CT.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 16, 2013 10:42 AM (gqgiP)

139 But can she survive the plastic surgery? Wonder what the Vegas bookies odds are at?

Posted by: rickb223 at August 16, 2013 10:42 AM (8D0/R)

140 >>>As a native Marylander I can attest to the near non-existent driving skills in MD. Once saw a driver come to a stop on 495 to change lanes...

How is it that I have driven my entire life (minus about six years or so) in Maryland -- and particularly 495, 270, and 95 -- and yet have never encountered these sorts of retard drivers?

For my money Minneapolis has some of the worst drivers I've ever seen. And possibly the most confusing fucking highway system in the continental United States. I swear to god it was intentionally constructed that way by surly, insular Scandihoovians to keep "outsiders" alienated and confused.

Anyone who's local to the Twin Cities (or has experience there) care to confirm? I'm not talking about the HASSLE of driving -- rush hours on the Dan Ryan in Chicago or the I-270 spur off of 495 in Maryland are easily more nightmarish in terms of traffic jams than anything I've found in Minneapolis -- I'm talking about the mind-bogglingly nonsensical layout and naming of the roads themselves. Not even just the highways (though I love the fact that I-35W North and I-35W South are REAL THINGS, and that they're not even remotely the most confusing part about the highways) but the normal street names.

Posted by: Jeff B., what has finally had it with this RINO shit at August 16, 2013 10:43 AM (yemTi)

141 Agreed, and I wouldn't blame him. I've been looking forward to this weekend more than any other in recent memory. Posted by: The Obsidian Owl at August 16, 2013 02:40 PM (tWmgi) I can't remember when I had a weekend to enjoy. It's all work for me anymore. Trying to become independent takes a lot of time and effort.

Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at August 16, 2013 10:43 AM (bb5+k)

142 Posted by: bonhomme at August 16, 2013 02:40 PM (4QSOR)

Have you ever driven in Israel?

It's quite an experience.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 16, 2013 10:43 AM (gqgiP)

143 Posted by: AmishDude at August 16, 2013 02:40 PM (xSegX) Agree on every point.

Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at August 16, 2013 10:44 AM (bb5+k)

144 Uh.....PA, NJ, MA...with honorable mentions to FL, CT. Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 16, 2013 02:42 PM I will say that I've never driven in MA or CT, but I have all the others. MD. Easy. I drove a 12 passenger van in NYC, around Yankee stadium, about an hour before the Yankees game started. Far safer than pretty much anywhere in MD. Place is a nightmare.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at August 16, 2013 10:44 AM (da5Wo)

145 Like the Older Hispanic drivers in Central California who do not have much experience... so drive below the speed limit in the fast lane... hands clutched on the wheel...

Every.... dam.... day....

Posted by: Romeo13 at August 16, 2013 02:38 PM (lZBBB)
===========

My favorite bumper sticker from my days living in Florida:

"When I Get Old I'm Gonna Move to New York And Drive REAL SLOW!"

Posted by: Nighthawk at August 16, 2013 10:44 AM (OtQXp)

146 Posted by: Ian S. at August 16, 2013 02:38 PM (B/VB5)

Yeah, well, Westminster hasn't been the same since it got big enough to have its own McDonald's. You have to get out to Thurmont now, but that's too close to Camp David.

Posted by: Retread at August 16, 2013 10:44 AM (G+w7R)

147 Boy, I am gone all morning and come home to nothing but "The GOP is doomed" threads.

Nice way to start the weekend.

Bah. I will check back when someone has something positive to say.

OR, something negative about Obama.

Posted by: Miss Marple at August 16, 2013 10:45 AM (GoIUi)

148 To be fair, no one state has the franchise on bad driving. I've seen fucked up behavior everywhere I've ever driven a car or truck.

Posted by: Jones in CO at August 16, 2013 10:45 AM (8sCoq)

149
I recall that Hillary was the front-runner in 2008, right up until she wasn't.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo

Almost. Took the race all the way to the convention and only really got beat by Black block voting. No White guy could have touched her, as it were.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at August 16, 2013 10:45 AM (kdS6q)

150 nood

Posted by: soothsayer lightfoot at August 16, 2013 10:46 AM (yFHtF)

151

Sent a short email to Henry Blodget, editor in chief of the Business Insider.

I said that mistakes happen and all you can do is acknowledge them and make a correction. However, I could not take his web magazine seriously anymore because he had hired a reporter and at least one editor who were so naÃ¯ve, so insulated from reality that they failed to instantly recognize the magnitude of the RNC Director calling Mitt Romney a racist.

If people who were hired to write and edit articles on politics are so unaware of the subject of their supposed expertise, what chance are other subjects covered better?

Posted by: jwest at August 16, 2013 10:46 AM (u2a4R)

152 This should have been the basis for some kind of rebuke/admonishment/boycott anyway. Glad they gave us the excuse of boycotting because they couldn't resist not to air blatant propaganda. Posted by: The Obsidian Owl at August 16, 2013 02:42 PM (tWmgi) It should go beyond boycott and extend to filing lawsuits and FEC claims for failing to report campaign contributions and any other legal harassment tactic possible.

Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at August 16, 2013 10:46 AM (bb5+k)

153 154 Boy, I am gone all morning and come home to nothing but "The GOP is doomed" threads. Nice way to start the weekend. Bah. I will check back when someone has something positive to say. OR, something negative about Obama. Posted by: Miss Marple at August 16, 2013 02:45 PM (GoIUi) You're gonna have to wait for a different Cob for that.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at August 16, 2013 10:46 AM (da5Wo)

154

Drew, I don't think you understand the 2016 dynamics in play. For one thing, the Democrats don't need a winning candidate. What they need is a plausible candidate, someone convincing enough to make the public believe it is possible their candidate defeated his or her Republican opponent in a close election. For example, the national village idiot, Joe Biden, is not plausible. We could beat Biden with even our most unappealing prospect, Rick Santorum. Hillary, on the other hand, has an aura of inevitability, largely thanks to the combined efforts of the MSM and the DNC. No one would question a Hillary victory or suspect it was fixed, especially in a close election.

I'm personally convinced the Democrats are not going to give up power it has taken them decades to attain as the result of a free and fair election. Hopefully I'm wrong.

Posted by: troyriser at August 16, 2013 10:46 AM (V9ol4)

155 50 --- People really don't grasp how much appeal Hillary has to women voters. It's tribalism, sure, but it's just the Obama/African-American phenomenon on a less extreme, but broader-based, scale. Posted by: Jeff B., what has finally had it with this RINO shit at August 16, 2013 02:16 PM (yemTi) --------------------- Eh. She won't get significantly more of the female vote than Bammy did. There really is no "women voters" bloc. To the extent that there are blocs of women, they are based on NON-tribal things --- single women with kids wanting free stuff, for example.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at August 16, 2013 10:46 AM (C8mVl)

156 >>>I've been out in fairly rural areas (Westminster) and there's still a significant amount of bugfuckery.

Bugs aren't the only thing they're fucking out in Carroll County. Why in god's name would you want to spend time out in an area that even God gave up on long ago?

(Says the guy living in the heart of liberal hell aka Potomac.)

Posted by: Jeff B., what has finally had it with this RINO shit at August 16, 2013 10:47 AM (yemTi)

157 and a few years ago, the MD state government announced that it was officially out of room for any new highway construction

Posted by: Jones in CO at August 16, 2013 10:48 AM (8sCoq)

158 Almost. Took the race all the way to the convention and only really got beat by Black block voting. No White guy could have touched her, as it were. Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at August 16, 2013 02:45 PM (kdS6q) Even at that, there were a lot of accusations leveled against team Obama for arm twisting, illegal vote tampering, intimidation and so on. Some groups were so pissed off they created PUMA. Party Unity My Ass.

Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at August 16, 2013 10:49 AM (bb5+k)

159 >(Says the guy living in the heart of liberal hell aka Potomac.)

you live in Potomac? Faannnn-ceee. How many gardeners do you have?

Posted by: Jones in CO at August 16, 2013 10:49 AM (8sCoq)

160 Anyone who's local to the Twin Cities (or has experience there) care to confirm?

Honestly I didn't mind driving in Minneapolis. It didn't have the same "we're all going to die" quality that even surface streets in MD often generate, and the road naming isn't *that* odd. The 35E/W split also exists in other cities, and the basic NE/NW/SE/SW grid pattern is as regular as any other major city, at least on the Minneapolis side. Downtown St. Paul, yes, is a layout clusterfuck.

Posted by: Ian S. at August 16, 2013 10:50 AM (B/VB5)

161 Have you ever driven in Israel?

It's quite an experience.

Never have. I'll have to go sometime soon.

Posted by: bonhomme at August 16, 2013 10:50 AM (4QSOR)

162 and a few years ago, the MD state government announced that it was officially out of room for any new highway construction

Posted by: Jones in CO at August 16, 2013 02:48 PM (8sCoq)

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They've started built up, prime example: the 695 / 95 exchange.

Posted by: Retread at August 16, 2013 10:50 AM (G+w7R)

163 >>>you live in Potomac? Faannnn-ceee. How many gardeners do you have?

Eh, we just hire Mexicans like everyone else around here. They show up in their big truck and do their work during the day while I'm at work. Come home, the lawn's been mowed and everything's cool.

Do the landscaping myself. Have a massive yard in front and my backyard has a sloping hill and a large forest/creek area that lends itself to some picturesque work w/the deck.

Posted by: Jeff B., what has finally had it with this RINO shit at August 16, 2013 10:52 AM (yemTi)

164 I'm personally convinced the Democrats are not going to give up power it has taken them decades to attain as the result of a free and fair election. Hopefully I'm wrong. Posted by: troyriser at August 16, 2013 02:46 PM (V9ol4) Better watch out. Suggesting the possibility of CHEATING will have JeffB accusing you of being a "CONSPIRACY NUT"! But yeah, I think they cheated this last election, and I think they will cheat the next one as well. (And that doesn't include the cheating they do through media bias) As Glenn Reynolds says, "If it ain't close, they can't cheat."

Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at August 16, 2013 10:52 AM (bb5+k)

165 >>>Better watch out. Suggesting the possibility of CHEATING will have JeffB accusing you of being a "CONSPIRACY NUT"!

Eh, troyriser's just a little jumpy, and incorrect in this case.

You, OTOH, are a "conspiracy nut" and one of the biggest non-assets around here.

Why do you keep parachuting in to randomly insult me in this thread, BTW? We're talking about driving, roads, highways, etc. You're grinding your own weird personal axe.

Posted by: Jeff B., what has finally had it with this RINO shit at August 16, 2013 10:54 AM (yemTi)

166 Bugs aren't the only thing they're fucking out in Carroll County. Why in god's name would you want to spend time out in an area that even God gave up on long ago?

Carroll County has some charms: it leans Republican, the Westminster branch of the MVA is the most polite, helpful, and courteous government agency I've ever done business with, and I couldn't find a place closer to the I-83 corridor with reasonable rents in 2011.

Posted by: Ian S. at August 16, 2013 10:55 AM (B/VB5)

167

They're going about this all the wrong way. The media will just say "okay, your debates are irrelevant anyway, so we'll go ahead with our Hilary Hagiography."

Better to just do the debates our own way.

This is too much like "taking your dolls and going home." Better to just exclude the media as if they're total pissants. THEN, if they whine about it, just dismiss their bitching on the grounds that the media is nothing more than a PR wing of the Democratic party. Cite, as evidence, the Hilary movies, Candy Crowley's debate 'performance', etc.

Posted by: Sam In VA at August 16, 2013 10:56 AM (Q52VH)

168 >But yeah, I think they cheated this last election, and I think they will cheat the next one as well. (And that doesn't include the cheating they do through media bias)

weren't there districts that went 100% for Obama in 2012? And I think there was at least one district that recorded more votes than there were registered voters

Yeah, Democrats cheat at elections. That's why any Repub candidate can't just win, he has to win beyond the margin of fraud.

Posted by: Jones in CO at August 16, 2013 10:57 AM (8sCoq)

169

"Stop building Hillary! up as if she's Ronald Reagan in 1984. Act like you're happy to have her run, even if you aren't. Don't psych yourself out of the game before it even starts."

Exactly.

Hillary had no record of accomplishments as a lawyer.

The only big initiative she has as First Lady (health care) was a flop and will look like even more of a flop once Obamacare has kicked in.

Her record as a Senator is... well, can you name anything she's known for? Any piece of legislation? Any important policy initiative?

She lost her last Presidential bid to an unproven nobody named Barack Obama.

She was a terrible Secretary of State and her tenure will look even worse as the Obama Administration's foreign policy implodes.

She'll be 73 on election day... four years older than Reagan was when he was first elected.

She's not charismatic and, in fact, is humorless and shrewish.

She has incredible baggage from the Clinton Era.

I suspect that the Clinton Global Initiative story in the NYT is just the first in many about the shady financial deals the Clintons have been into since 2000, things that will give Republicans the opportunity to say "Whitewater" a few thousand times.

Etc., etc., etc.

In short, where Jeb Bush would be a great candidate if he weren't named Bush, Hillary Clinton would be a rotten candidate if she weren't named Clinton.

Posted by: The Regular Guy at August 16, 2013 10:58 AM (qHCyt)

170
Romanian princess arrested for alleged Oregon cockfighting ring http://nyp.st/18A0oby

***

Did Wiener win?

Posted by: WalrusRex at August 16, 2013 10:58 AM (XUKZU)

171 Hillary(!) has the general appeal and personal warmth of John McCain. She should be as easy to beat as Obama should have been. SecState and US Senator look good on a resume, but only if no examination of her record takes place. It won't, of course. The Republican nominee has to go on the attack and go for the jugular. Yeah...that'll happen.

Posted by: Rufus T. Firefly at August 16, 2013 11:00 AM (aOnaK)

172 >>>Carroll County has some charms: it leans Republican

Good thing the most recent round of redistricting made that irrelevant!

You want to get me spitting blood, talk to me about the MD congressional gerrymander.

Posted by: Jeff B., what has finally had it with this RINO shit at August 16, 2013 11:00 AM (yemTi)

173 You want to get me spitting blood, talk to me about the MD congressional gerrymander.

No arguments here, but I live in Baltimore County now so there's almost no chance I wouldn't be in a shithole district regardless.

Posted by: Ian S. at August 16, 2013 11:04 AM (B/VB5)

174

You think the media is in the tank for Owebama, just wait. You ain't seen nuthin yet.

I disagree. While the media has and will continue to perform copious political fellatio and Obama gravy swallowing, they just *aren't* as keen on political cunnilingus of Hillary. The 2008 primary was eye-opening in that respect.

Of course, they will back the Demunist candidate in the general. But I would NOT count on DemSM lockstep primary support of Hillary in 2016.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at August 16, 2013 11:10 AM (ujg0T)

175 Not that it matters, since we will always photograph her silhouetted against a backlight, so all the retards in fly-over country can see her nimbus.

Brrrrrrrr. I do NOT want to see her nimbus.

Posted by: pep at August 16, 2013 11:21 AM (6TB1Z)

176 Corey Booker has the bio and skin color(but mostly skin color) to be the next Dem candidate for President. Posted by: steevy at August 16, 2013 02:12 PM (9XBK2) My early prediction, assuming he runs, is for Booker to get the nomination, and be favored to win that November. Then all of America will look like Newark.

Posted by: The Political Hat at August 16, 2013 11:28 AM (XvHmy)

177 weren't there districts that went 100% for Obama in 2012? And I think there was at least one district that recorded more votes than there were registered voters Parts of Ohio and PA went 120% for Obama with NO Romney votes. Aside from 1 poll worker and 1 nun who got busted, I haven't heard anything. But its good that alot of states are putting in the Voter ID laws. That'll help a little. Now if only we could eliminate mail and early voting.

Posted by: Iblis at August 16, 2013 11:29 AM (3p2ni)

178 179 Hillary(!) has the general appeal and personal warmth of John McCain. She should be as easy to beat as Obama should have been. SecState and US Senator look good on a resume, but only if no examination of her record takes place. It won't, of course. Which is why I say our money would be better spent making our own Hillary!, Benghazi and F&F movies. Its the best way to get to LIVs.

Posted by: Iblis at August 16, 2013 11:32 AM (3p2ni)

179 In short, where Jeb Bush would be a great candidate if he weren't named Bush,

Posted by: The Regular Guy at August 16, 2013 02:58 PM (qHCyt)

Hispandering Amnesty? More Affirmative Racism? Yes, he was better than Charlie Crist, but.....

Posted by: Curmudgeon at August 16, 2013 11:39 AM (ujg0T)

180 Too bad this is too little, way too late. Do they really think this matters in the larger scheme of things? Seriously? The press is the enemy. Hell, even Fox is barely acceptable as a source of news. The Republican party is a walking corpse.

Posted by: Dandolo at August 16, 2013 11:56 AM (0XBx+)

181

All of this talk is moot unless we have a strategy to flip at least one of the Gore 2000 states. Wisconsin and Pennsylvania look most salivating.

So who delivers? And not "most electable", actually has a route to win them? Or to win Iowa, or Maine, or Michigan, or Minnesota, or any of the other states we've simply conceded along the way.

We are never going to see a non-Democrat in the White House again unless we see the red/blue/purple map change in the non-Democrat's favor. The strategy to get 50+1% works when you are averaging over 200 electoral votes per cycle as a baseline. It fails utterly when you are trying to "win back" states like North Carolina, Virgina, and Florida, not to mention Colorado and Ohio.

We have conceded so much there is no viable option for us until there is a route back through the upper Midwestern states or the northeast.

That doesn't require a RINO. It requires someone worth voting FOR as opposed to "not-X"

Posted by: CAC at August 16, 2013 12:06 PM (wq39m)

182 DrewM: "Act like you're happy to have her run, even if you aren't." Oh, I'm doing the opposite. I act like I dread her as the inevitable next President, when in fact I hope they nominate her, because we can win against her. Why? It should be a matter of policy, but really it comes down to how much less she connects with broad (i.e., beyond the base) audiences. The labored obviousness of it - "ah ain't no ways tahrrd yet." You wrote, "a lot of people just don't like her." Remember then-candidate Obama? "You're likeable enough, Hillary." It drives you and me nuts, but a lot of people want to love Obama no matter how badly he screws up, no matter how unpleasant a man he actually turns out to be. With Hillary! the true believers are going to be wailing about how unfair it is that more people don't recognize how awesome she is.

Posted by: JPS at August 16, 2013 12:23 PM (g11mv)

183 One small thing we could do is stop pluralizing you and me, as in "protect OUR freedom." People generally give two shits about other people's freedoms. Personalize everything. "Protect YOUR freedoms." "Stop them from stealing YOUR money." "Congress voted themselves a pay raise, why shouldn't YOU? Support Fair Tax [or flat tax... you get the idea]!"

And not just sometimes. Personalize every talking point.

Posted by: jwpaine @PirateBallerina at August 16, 2013 12:38 PM (/lWM8)

184 Hilary will get the nomination, and Hilary will most likely be our next president. The prospect of another Clinton in the White House is quite disturbing but this is the most likely outcome of the next presidential election. Besides, with half the people in this country actually believing that the Republican Party is the party of racists, homophobes, and women haters it's unlikely we will be able to get too far until the brand itself is revitalized. Hilary will win, and it will be a repeat of the Obama campaign tactics except this time any criticisms will be answered with the cries of "Woman Hating Pig" instead of the 'ol stand by of "Raaaaccciiiiiisssssssttt!"

Posted by: Mistress Overdone at August 17, 2013 09:06 PM (2/oBD)

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