November 14, 2013

Insurance Industry: Obama's "Fix" Is Entirely Unworkable
— Ace

Earlier I wrote:

* Are insurers even interested in offering these policies given the other strictures of Obamacare? Bear in mind, they cannot charge the healthy any less than the desperately sick. So they, like Obama, need healthier people in these high-risk pools. (Obamacare essentially puts the entire country into a high-risk pool.)

So the insurance companies can offer these policies again... and the effect, I'm pretty sure, will be to drastically increase their own downside risk when they insure the uninsurable, and have fewer healthier people to tax to pay for the uninsurable.

So Obama may be certainly is attempting to engineer a situation in which he offers an odious, destructive deal to insurance companies, so that when they balk, he can say, "See? This is why we need Obamacare, and none of this is my fault."

Chris Wallace read this statement from the trade association of American insurance companies:

Changing the rules after health plans have already met the requirements of the law, Obamacare, could destabilize the market and result in higher premiums for consumers. Premiums have already been set for next year, based on assumptions of when consumers will be transitioning to the marketplaces.

If now fewer younger and healthier people choose to purchase health coverage in the exchanges, premiums will increase, and there will be fewer choices for consumers.

They're talking about the Death Spiral.

The female anchor asked Wallace if Obama had consulted with the insurance agency. Chris Wallace scoffed, laughed at the question, asking her in return: At this late date, why would he start consulting?

"This Is A New Insanity:" So says a spokesman for New Jersey Health Insurance Underwriters.

Fuller statement from American Health Insurance Providers below.

Posted by: Ace at 09:22 AM | Comments (321)
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1 I can be a stone-cold bitch, can't I?

Posted by: Math at November 14, 2013 09:24 AM (NXg/k)

2 if obama wasn't so incompetent, this would be the cloward piven plan taking place.

Posted by: oejay44cday at November 14, 2013 09:25 AM (Raxbk)

3 Of course it is unworkable. What have I been saying for the last week or so. Ain't I am not even the smartest guy in the room

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 14, 2013 09:25 AM (t3UFN)

4 I saw Death Spiral open for Pantera in '93.

Posted by: mugiwara at November 14, 2013 09:25 AM (T5Yhn)

5 Nothing short of FULL REPEAL is acceptable to me. The GOP better get that message. It really will be the end of that party, if it isn't already, if they go along with these Potemkin "fixes."

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 14, 2013 09:25 AM (olDqf)

6 What a clusterfuck. A bad plan and a worse fix. The Chicago way

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 14, 2013 09:25 AM (t3UFN)

7 4 I saw Death Spiral open for Pantera in '93. Posted by: mugiwara at November 14, 2013 01:25 PM (T5Yhn) That is a killer name for a Lillith Fair folk singer group.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 14, 2013 09:26 AM (olDqf)

8 Nothing short of FULL REPEAL is acceptable to me. The GOP better get that message. It really will be the end of that party, if it isn't already, if they go along with these Potemkin "fixes." Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 14, 2013 01:25 PM (olDqf) ya can't fix what is totally fucked. It's kinda like trying to make a girl a virgin again

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 14, 2013 09:26 AM (t3UFN)

9 REPEAL

IMPEACH


Posted by: Parker at November 14, 2013 09:27 AM (YkW3i)

10 What happens if the provider networks have been narrowed?

Posted by: boned to the bone at November 14, 2013 09:27 AM (Ph479)

11 yep, cause the plan requires moar people signing up for more expensive plans. What the fuck, eh, jeffe? What is the state of insurance in America now? Will the employer mandate still go into effect? That will be the current shit storm times 20.

Posted by: oejay44cday at November 14, 2013 09:27 AM (Raxbk)

12 How appropriate that all this is happening as I drink the saccharin seawater in advance of my colonoscopy. And then I have an IVP next week for a kidney x-ray. I should have them rotate the tires and fix that brake line while they've got the hood up.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 14, 2013 09:27 AM (olDqf)

13 Todays little charade by the SCOAMF will fail. His comrades in Congress are still going to attempt to save their collective asses.

Posted by: Subeffective Limitless Transition at November 14, 2013 09:27 AM (ugAvG)

14 Pantera makes good breakfast pastry.

Posted by: Paranoidgirlinseattle at November 14, 2013 09:28 AM (RZ8pf)

15 I liked Death Spiral before they sold out and become corporate rock.

Posted by: oejay44cday at November 14, 2013 09:28 AM (Raxbk)

16 8 ya can't fix what is totally fucked. It's kinda like trying to make a girl a virgin again Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 14, 2013 01:26 PM (t3UFN) That's on page 947 of the ACA, as well as the foreskin reattachment surgery, required by all women to purchase.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 14, 2013 09:28 AM (olDqf)

17 >>if obama wasn't so incompetent, this would be the cloward piven plan taking place. More like Clown Car. This is why the Republicans weren't throwing Obama a lifeline. They were throwing him an anchor. There is no fix for Obamacare, only repeal.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 14, 2013 09:28 AM (uS+OJ)

18 And then I have an IVP next week for a kidney x-ray. I should have them rotate the tires and fix that brake line while they've got the hood up. --- Will they put a freshener down there for "new car smell" when you piss?

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at November 14, 2013 09:28 AM (/Crba)

19 Rush's head is 'splodin.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 14, 2013 09:29 AM (olDqf)

20 Death Spiral Shouldn't they be opening for Sudden Toxic Death?

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at November 14, 2013 09:29 AM (7ObY1)

21

Actually, I'm almost completely certain that this clusterfuck was designed to go like this so Single Payer would be demanded from the LIVs.

 

The only thing that I'm not certain on is if the website was intentionally fucked up.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at November 14, 2013 09:29 AM (HVff2)

22 So in other words, Obama will let people (illegally) keep their policies until after the next election. Then, he will resume dumping them.

Has there ever been a more dishonest, brazenly political move?

Posted by: Marcus at November 14, 2013 09:29 AM (GGCsk)

23 18 Will they put a freshener down there for "new car smell" when you piss? Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at November 14, 2013 01:28 PM (/Crba) Should I go for the evergreen tree or the "cherry" scent? Get it?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 14, 2013 09:29 AM (olDqf)

24 In the future Obama will fix the Insurance Industry for 15 minutes.

Posted by: Andy Warhol at November 14, 2013 09:30 AM (ZY1gN)

25 Passing the ACA and then telling them they can have their plan back is like raping someone and then telling them they can have their virginity back.

The horror of the first act is exceeded only buy the cruelty of the second act.

Posted by: Thatch at November 14, 2013 09:30 AM (qYvEa)

26 Again, were I general counsel for a health insurance company, I would be shooting heroin into my eyeball in the middle of a board meeting. Ignoring the whole hey there hi there dictatorship who you doin' aspect of it, this is impossible to implement. Like, actually impossible. Cannot be done. You know what this reminds me of? The time I got screamed at about how I was refusing to do a task because I pointed out that it was physically impossible for me to convert a 47 minute videotape to digital format in 35 minutes. Pointing out that it was not physically possible for that to occur was met with you just aren't trying hard enough and the smug suggestion that I just hit fast forward and voila problem solved! Stupid interesting times.

Posted by: alexthechick - Here SMOD SMOD SMOD at November 14, 2013 09:30 AM (VtjlW)

27 Full speed ahead or full repeal.



Posted by: EC at November 14, 2013 09:30 AM (GQ8sn)

28 I can be a stone-cold bitch, can't I?

Posted by: Math at November 14, 2013 01:24 PM (NXg/k)

 

 

-- Always have been always will be

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at November 14, 2013 09:30 AM (R8hU8)

29

" I can be a stone-cold bitch, can't I?.."

 

 

Don't forget about me. 

Posted by: Reality at November 14, 2013 09:30 AM (LA7Cm)

30 Buying insurance is hard.

Posted by: Barbie Obama at November 14, 2013 09:30 AM (lVPtV)

31 It will be interesting to see how the insurance industry reacts to being made the fall guy in this clusterfuck. Keep in mind that some of those choad huffers gleefully signed on to this,

Posted by: Captain Hate on the iPhone at November 14, 2013 09:30 AM (t7prs)

32 Actually, I'm almost completely certain that this clusterfuck was designed to go like this so Single Payer would be demanded from the LIVs. The only thing that I'm not certain on is if the website was intentionally fucked up. --- Lord... If this administration is so fucking stupid they can't even get a goddamn website to work, would you want them in total control of all health care? I know we ARE talking about LIVs here, but I think there are even limits to the kind of bullshit they'll believe.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at November 14, 2013 09:30 AM (/Crba)

33 21 Actually, I'm almost completely certain that this clusterfuck was designed to go like this so Single Payer would be demanded from the LIVs. The only thing that I'm not certain on is if the website was intentionally fucked up. Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at November 14, 2013 01:29 PM (HVff2) The destruction to single payer was intentional. What they didn't count on was that people aren't clamoring for the gubmint to step in. Even LIV's don't want them. Oopsie.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 14, 2013 09:31 AM (olDqf)

34 29 " I can be a stone-cold bitch, can't I?.." Don't forget about me. --- What did five fingers say to the face? SLAP!

Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at November 14, 2013 09:31 AM (/Crba)

35 Pointing out that it was not physically possible for that to occur was met with you just aren't trying hard enough and the smug suggestion that I just hit fast forward and voila problem solved!


Do or do not.  There is no try.


Posted by: EC at November 14, 2013 09:31 AM (GQ8sn)

36 People I have never heard speak a single political sentence are enraged. My church going lifelong democrat grandma who hasn't cussed or spoken ill of anyone in my lifetime just called and said this piece of shit lying mother fucker needs to get the fuck out now!

Posted by: UWP at November 14, 2013 09:31 AM (fdXMW)

37 Hmmm.... lets look at this... Obama is attempting to order Corporations to change contracts already let.... with no authority to do so under Law. The name for this, is Fascism. Fascism is the Partnership of Government and Corporations, to push an agenda.... I would LOVE someone to interview John Roberts and ask him if Obamacare is still just a Tax....

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 14, 2013 09:31 AM (lZBBB)

38 31 It will be interesting to see how the insurance industry reacts to being made the fall guy in this clusterfuck. Keep in mind that some of those choad huffers gleefully signed on to this, Posted by: Captain Hate on the iPhone at November 14, 2013 01:30 PM (t7prs) They fancied themselves playing Krupp to Hitler. Instead they got Flounder to Otter.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 14, 2013 09:31 AM (olDqf)

39

Opening salvo in the battle for single payer ? 

 

I am beginning to think; :no one is this stupid, are they ?

 

It's too late to chang policies or anythign at this point. The companies were depending on the asshole government to have this shit ready.

 

This is going to cost the taxpayers a shitload of money. I bet a bunch of the companies file suit. Obama is changing the law !  

Posted by: The Jackhole at November 14, 2013 09:31 AM (nTgAI)

40 Here's my question, if the insurance companies can re-instate the prior individual plans can they then pull out of the exchanges and stop offering those plans since the only people on the exchanges will be the truly sick?  That is the play I would be looking at to keep my company solvent, but not sure if they are locked in to offering a plan to anyone for a year.

Posted by: Joe at November 14, 2013 09:31 AM (9r3GM)

41 You know, it's possible to put together a veto-proof majority in both houses of Congress *before* the election, if sufficient numbers of Democrats fear for their jobs over this. Thought it would be delicious to get a veto-proof majority after the election, too.

Posted by: TimBuck at November 14, 2013 09:31 AM (MOLyN)

42 The strategy for Dem's will be to let the Upton Bill pass, then let Obama veto it.

His ratings are already in the toilet anyway. Dem's then go back to their districts, throw their hands up and point at Obama.


Posted by: Marcus at November 14, 2013 09:32 AM (GGCsk)

43
The Fix isn't even Constitutional!  He is acting like a Tyrant!  He can't unilaterally decide what part of a law to follow!

(sorry, I just wanted to make sure that point is made over and over)

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 14, 2013 09:32 AM (iGPSR)

44 It's almost as if this president is a stammering clusterfuck of a metastasizing  failure or something.

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at November 14, 2013 09:32 AM (rSTkb)

45 *psssst.... hey... obamatards....  he's lying again....


Posted by: wiserbud at November 14, 2013 09:32 AM (NXg/k)

46

"It's kinda like trying to make a girl a virgin again.."

 

 

Serving #67,  #67 please step up to the dotted line, please. 

Posted by: Sandra Fluke at November 14, 2013 09:33 AM (LA7Cm)

47

We have nothing to fear with Barack Obama in the White House


Posted by: John McCain at November 14, 2013 09:33 AM (Pr6hk)

48 Anybody seen Katy Sebilius the Rhesus monkey ?

Posted by: The Jackhole at November 14, 2013 09:33 AM (nTgAI)

49 41 You know, it's possible to put together a veto-proof majority in both houses of Congress *before* the election, if sufficient numbers of Democrats fear for their jobs over this. Thought it would be delicious to get a veto-proof majority after the election, too. --- If Obama's truly thrown the Dem rank-and-file under the bus, we may end up with veto-proof majorities on some things like ObamaCare between now and 2014. The chances of us retaining those past 2014 are slim at best because most of the Dems will think the danger is past and will revert the second elections are done with.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at November 14, 2013 09:33 AM (/Crba)

50 Watching Obama try to figure out how to sell insurance is like watching a Senior Citizen try to play StarCraft against a Korean kid who spotted his opponent a ten minute head start. Only in slow-motion.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b] at November 14, 2013 09:33 AM (sByIH)

51

The destruction to single payer was intentional. What they didn't count on was that people aren't clamoring for the gubmint to step in. Even LIV's don't want them.
J.J.

 

Still early J.J. You know the average retention span of the LIVs is about as along as a half hour sit-com on tv.....Interesting dates will be 1/1/14 and 3/1/14.......

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at November 14, 2013 09:33 AM (HVff2)

52 When is AARP going to make an statement?  They could be the political nail in the coffin here.

Posted by: Jean at November 14, 2013 09:33 AM (CMlD4)

53 43 The Fix isn't even Constitutional! He is acting like a Tyrant! He can't unilaterally decide what part of a law to follow! (sorry, I just wanted to make sure that point is made over and over) Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 14, 2013 01:32 PM (iGPSR) No one is there to stop him. As has been amply demonstrated these past 5 years.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 14, 2013 09:33 AM (olDqf)

54 50 Watching Obama try to figure out how to sell insurance is like watching a Senior Citizen try to play StarCraft against a Korean kid who spotted his opponent a ten minute head start. Only in slow-motion. --- ZERG RUSH! kekekekekekeke

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at November 14, 2013 09:34 AM (/Crba)

55 Didn't anyone tell him that the Johnson, Landrieu, Upton, etc. bills weren't actually designed to fix anything, that they were just for playing politics?

Posted by: lowandslow at November 14, 2013 09:34 AM (IV4od)

56 How much you wanna bet Obama has Stedman suing the insurance companies next ?

Posted by: The Jackhole at November 14, 2013 09:34 AM (nTgAI)

57 Screw them. The insurance industry went from "Harry and Louise" ads to fight Hilliarycare to jumping into bed with Obama. Let this be a teachable moment for big business, using government force to coerce people into becoming your customers will ultimately burn you. Immigration, Wall Street bailouts -- hell, if I remember right GE is the one that got the government to outlaw incandescent lights, since they didn't make them and made florescent ones. Enough, let them go broke. The only thing that infuriates me is that a partial bail out of the insurance companies was written into the law.

Posted by: MaureenTheTemp at November 14, 2013 09:34 AM (hslAc)

58 AHIP's website is getting slammed.

Posted by: Bazooka Joe at November 14, 2013 09:34 AM (bUmSq)

59 It's kinda like trying to make a girl a virgin again I do that operation! $39.95

Posted by: Dr Nick Riviera[/i][/b][/i][/b] at November 14, 2013 09:35 AM (sByIH)

60 Well the celebrities and pseudo celebrities are already tweeting about single payer to generate buzz amongst the LIVs who only think what has been Star Trek Next Gen actors and baby hating gay sex columnists tell them to think.

Posted by: Paranoidgirlinseattle at November 14, 2013 09:35 AM (RZ8pf)

61 52 When is AARP going to make an statement? They could be the political nail in the coffin here. Posted by: Jean at November 14, 2013 01:33 PM (CMlD4) Leftist group. No way.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 14, 2013 09:35 AM (olDqf)

62 By the way, I'm remembering that insurance companies and organizations like the AARP supported Obamacare from the beginning.

But now that profits will be hurt it's suddenly a "disaster"?

F them.

Posted by: Marcus at November 14, 2013 09:35 AM (GGCsk)

63 Where's Steiner????????

Posted by: Baradolph Obamler, In The Brand-New White House Bunker at November 14, 2013 09:36 AM (DLu2s)

64 Wana bet it's
"you keep your plan, but it will still cost more.  Even more that what the Exchange is offering...which of course is more better."

Posted by: Paladin at November 14, 2013 09:36 AM (LtaK3)

65 59 It's kinda like trying to make a girl a virgin again I do that operation! $39.95 Posted by: Dr Nick Riviera at November 14, 2013 01:35 PM (sByIH) I thought Hyman Roth did that. Meh, he's been dying of the same heart attack for 20 years.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 14, 2013 09:36 AM (olDqf)

66 59 It's kinda like trying to make a girl a virgin again I do that operation! $39.95 --- Call me at 1-800-DOCTORB! The B is for "Bargain"!

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at November 14, 2013 09:36 AM (/Crba)

67 By the way TFG is still lying If you like your plan you can keep your plan didn't mean keep it for one measly effing year This piss people off even more

Posted by: Cachaca at November 14, 2013 09:36 AM (H6c+y)

68 AARP has gotten a lot of money pitching Obamacare.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 14, 2013 09:36 AM (23Kgq)

69 So,  you think the Millennials will bother to read (and understand) this?      I mean,   it's "A Hip" statement.      That's what all the kids care   about, isn't it?     Things that are hip?

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/i][/u][/s][/b] at November 14, 2013 09:36 AM (4df7R)

70 Uh hello! Do I have a say in this?!?!

Posted by: State Insurance Commissioners Everywhere at November 14, 2013 09:36 AM (b9K4P)

71 Obama is attempting to order Corporations to change contracts already let.... with no authority to do so under Law. What's that now?

Posted by: GM Investors[/i][/b][/i][/b] at November 14, 2013 09:37 AM (sByIH)

72 It will be interesting to see how the insurance industry reacts to being made the fall guy in this clusterfuck. Keep in mind that some of those choad huffers gleefully signed on to this, Posted by: Captain Hate on the iPhone at November 14, 2013 01:30 PM (t7prs) They fancied themselves playing Krupp to Hitler. Instead they got Flounder to Otter. I told every person from corporate of any carrier that I've seen in meetings for the last 3 years that this was going to happen. Bastards were blinded by rent seeking. Even though it may mean that my career is deader than the dodo, perhaps this debacle will form a cautionary tale to the next industry tempted to base a business model on sucking off the federal teat. Shit, I said that with a straight face, I must be loopier than I thought!

Posted by: Weirddave at November 14, 2013 09:37 AM (N/cFh)

73 I can see Mary Landreiu voting for repeal from my front porch.

Posted by: X at November 14, 2013 09:37 AM (KHo8t)

74 President Tinkerbell has decreed it so, if you don't believe in his "fix" well, that's on you.

Posted by: BuckIV at November 14, 2013 09:37 AM (gedHR)

75 Is the President says a company can break the law, is that an affirmative defense in Federal Court?  Similar to Undue Command Influence in a court-martial.

Posted by: Jean at November 14, 2013 09:37 AM (CMlD4)

76 The GOP House should be passing a bill every day to fully repeal cluster f--- care.  Ram it up Reid's ass every darn day.

Posted by: Havedash at November 14, 2013 09:37 AM (BRhGr)

77 Is the GOP getting some smarts? Over at Breitbart, Boehner is now calling for outright scrapping of the law. We shall see...

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 14, 2013 09:37 AM (olDqf)

78 71 LOL

Posted by: Mr. Wizard at November 14, 2013 09:38 AM (MhA4j)

79 So do the insurers get to keep pre-existing conditions off the policies they are now forced to rewrite? How can that be Toto?  

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at November 14, 2013 09:38 AM (HVff2)

80 Hi! Billy Mays for Obamacare!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 14, 2013 09:38 AM (olDqf)

81 77 Is the GOP getting some smarts? Over at Breitbart, Boehner is now calling for outright scrapping of the law. We shall see... --- So is McSame. Somehow, I doubt he'll be apologizing to Cruz et all for being wrong.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at November 14, 2013 09:38 AM (/Crba)

82 Does someone want a bunch of gently used porn? From now on, when I'm feeling frisky, I'll just watch that press conference over and over.

Posted by: Oschisms at November 14, 2013 09:38 AM (eYn6m)

83 Now we need the GOP and its allies to start up an awareness campaign detailing to folks exactly how to avoid the "shared responsibility fine".  In other words, get young people to do their W-4 forms.

Posted by: Serious Cat at November 14, 2013 09:38 AM (UypUQ)

84

Boehner is now calling for outright scrapping of the law.

 

Be still my beating, beating heart...........Boner, lol.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at November 14, 2013 09:39 AM (HVff2)

85 Thank goodness the president decided to take control of this issue. The GOP was ready to vote on an equally stupid fix. The president keeps responsibility for this debacle solely where it belongs.

Posted by: BSKB at November 14, 2013 09:39 AM (4KWOY)

86 Whatever the GOP has up their sleeves needs to recalibrate with this ginormous turd dropped from heaven today.

You know it is not legal. You know he is a lying liar again as he tries to decree vs legislative law with his magical executive order pen.

You know he made a complete fubar r squared today with his rambling "stuff" and yada.

What is he going to do when this can't be fixed? Come on teevee and lie again? Other than Debbie Washerwoman-Shitz, who is he fooling?

Posted by: ChristyBlinky is a genius compared to preznit at November 14, 2013 09:39 AM (baL2B)

87 75 Is the President says a company can break the law, is that an affirmative defense in Federal Court? Similar to Undue Command Influence in a court-martial. Posted by: Jean at November 14, 2013 01:37 PM (CMlD4) Nope, it falls under the Nuremburg protocol.... that YOU are held liable for following an unlawful order.

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 14, 2013 09:39 AM (lZBBB)

88 Full repeal should be the drumbeat.

Posted by: no good deed at November 14, 2013 09:39 AM (k55Fc)

89 If you like your old plan, I'm allowing you to TRY to get your plan back... for just one year. FUCK OBAMA. No snark, just FUCK OBAMA.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 14, 2013 09:39 AM (olDqf)

90 By the way any Dem who goes along with this and thinks it is a good idea is a bigger fuckin idiot that before, if that is possible

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 14, 2013 09:39 AM (t3UFN)

91 "I'm sorry to have to meet you all here, but it's only until the furor over ObamaCare dies down. You'll be pleased to know that this new bunker was built by government-approved contractors using all required affirmative-action subcontractors and applicable federal guidelines.......Hey, is it me, or is it getting really, really stuffy in here???"

Posted by: Baradolph Obamler, In The Brand-New White House Bunker at November 14, 2013 09:39 AM (DLu2s)

92 Uh hello! Do I have a say in this?!?!

Posted by: State Insurance Commissioners Everywhere at November 14, 2013 01:36 PM (b9K4P)

 

No.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/i][/u][/s][/b] at November 14, 2013 09:40 AM (4df7R)

93 79 So do the insurers get to keep pre-existing conditions off the policies they are now forced to rewrite? How can that be Toto? --- I seek to cure what's deep inside Frightened of this thing that I've become

Posted by: Toto at November 14, 2013 09:40 AM (/Crba)

94 So do the insurers get to keep pre-existing conditions off the policies they are now forced to rewrite? How can that be Toto?


Don't try to rationalize the Moebius Strip inside a Moebius Strip.



Posted by: EC at November 14, 2013 09:40 AM (GQ8sn)

95 If now fewer younger and healthier people choose to purchase health coverage in the exchanges, premiums will increase, and there will be fewer choices for consumers. Of course this was already going to happen. There was never going to be enough young and healthy people signing up.

Posted by: buzzion at November 14, 2013 09:40 AM (LI48c)

96 I told every person from corporate of any carrier that I've seen in meetings for the last 3 years that this was going to happen. Bastards were blinded by rent seeking. Even though it may mean that my career is deader than the dodo, perhaps this debacle will form a cautionary tale to the next industry tempted to base a business model on sucking off the federal teat. Shit, I said that with a straight face, I must be loopier than I thought! Posted by: Weirddave at November 14, 2013 01:37 PM (N/cFh) Seriously, every compliance officer in the world must be going fuck this shit I'm drinking at work. Are we in compliance? Hell if I know! Hell if I can know! Wanna see how far I can launch this pen with this rubber band?

Posted by: alexthechick - Here SMOD SMOD SMOD at November 14, 2013 09:40 AM (VtjlW)

97 I liked the old insanity.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at November 14, 2013 09:40 AM (OQjmU)

98 84 Boehner is now calling for outright scrapping of the law. Be still my beating, beating heart...........Boner, lol. Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at November 14, 2013 01:39 PM (HVff2) Oddly enough, he did support Cruz and Lee.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 14, 2013 09:40 AM (olDqf)

99 AARP has gotten a lot of money pitching Obamacare. Posted by: FenelonSpoke

"has gotten"! How much more is out there to get - when does it make sense for them to punt to save their reputation.

Posted by: Jean at November 14, 2013 09:40 AM (CMlD4)

100 Right now, Teh One is attempting to appease members of his own political party.  He isn't doing this for the benefit of the general public. 

Posted by: Penfold at November 14, 2013 09:40 AM (Fbt5B)

101 FUCK OBAMA. No snark, just FUCK OBAMA. Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 14, 2013 01:39 PM (olDqf) Hey I am going to be in NY the next 3 days. Sounds like Drink time to me

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 14, 2013 09:40 AM (t3UFN)

102 I'm starting to understand why this administration would be concerned with citizens having the right to bear arms.

Is he gonna outlaw glass bottles, rags, gasoline and pitchforks next?

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at November 14, 2013 09:40 AM (GqQRA)

103
I dont always have a sucking chest wound....

....but when I do,

... I prefer my President not put a "Hello Kitty" bandaid on it.

Posted by: fixerupper at November 14, 2013 09:40 AM (nELVU)

104 So if you want your old crappy scam of a plan you can maybe have it for a whiles. You're welcome peasants.

Posted by: yujin at November 14, 2013 09:40 AM (uNd+K)

105 Uh hello! Do I have a say in this?!?!
Posted by: State Insurance Commissioners Everywhere at November 14, 2013 01:36 PM (b9K4P)

No.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at November 14, 2013 01:40 PM (4df7R)

 

 

And Shut Up !

Posted by: The Jackhole at November 14, 2013 09:41 AM (nTgAI)

106 It's illegal, it will destroy health insurance companies, and it only delays the current chaos for one year (and merely triggers a different chaos instead of a fix). Could he have come up with a WORSE idea than this?

Posted by: Lizzy at November 14, 2013 09:41 AM (JRmiD)

107 101 FUCK OBAMA. No snark, just FUCK OBAMA. Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 14, 2013 01:39 PM (olDqf) Hey I am going to be in NY the next 3 days. Sounds like Drink time to me Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 14, 2013 01:40 PM (t3UFN) It's a possibility, yo. If I survive this glycol I'm chugging.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 14, 2013 09:41 AM (olDqf)

108 >>Mr. Carney said the Upton bill isn’t acceptable because it would “allow insurers to sell new plans that were substandard, that did not meet the minimum benefit standard of the Affordable Care Act, and thereby potentially undermine … the central promise of the Affordable Care Act.”<<

By "substandard" do they mean don't provide services like abortions and other services policy holders didn't want in the first place?

How about the fact some government employee does not have a say in whether somebody gets their cancer medications or not...

Posted by: Marcus at November 14, 2013 09:41 AM (GGCsk)

109
It ain't the way I wanted it! I can handle things! I'm smart! Not like everybody says... like dumb... I'm smart and I want respect!

Posted by: Prez Barky OFredo at November 14, 2013 09:41 AM (iGPSR)

110 Shit, I said that with a straight face, I must be loopier than I thought! Posted by: Weirddave

Hey, we can dream! This is a very, very public hosing of the insurance companies, maybe it will actually wake up some of the "we're too big for government to let fail" types up.

Posted by: MaureenTheTemp at November 14, 2013 09:42 AM (hslAc)

111 Attention McFly.  Offer. Up. Repeal. Again.  The insurers have opened that door again.

Posted by: dogfish at November 14, 2013 09:42 AM (nsOJa)

112 79 So do the insurers get to keep pre-existing conditions off the policies they are now forced to rewrite? How can that be Toto? Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at November 14, 2013 01:38 PM (HVff2) Pre existing condition has been the law for a couple of years now... that has already been baked into premiums... Thing is, NONE of the 'better coverage' thing that go into effect this year (of which there are very few) really add up to the Premium increase people are seeing...

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 14, 2013 09:42 AM (lZBBB)

113 My mind just explodes when I try to comprehend the law and his presser today. This coming from a guy who is in the ins. biz..........He obviously has no clue, the GOP has no clue and are spineless. Give it to TFG he has balls. Actually they are Michelle's balls, but nevertheless............

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at November 14, 2013 09:42 AM (HVff2)

114 Could he have come up with a WORSE idea than this? --- Possibly. There's a fine line between stupid and clever.

Posted by: David St. Hubbins at November 14, 2013 09:42 AM (/Crba)

115 Republicans would do well to read "The Art of War" about now. 

Posted by: The Jackhole at November 14, 2013 09:43 AM (nTgAI)

116 #72 Yeah you're fucked; crony capitalists don't like for people to know what ignorant dickholes they are.

Posted by: Captain Hate on the iPhone at November 14, 2013 09:43 AM (t7prs)

117 Has Jay Carney had his presser yet today? That may be martini worthy. Is it Friday yet? Damn my rules and stupid calories and liver.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky is a genius compared to preznit at November 14, 2013 09:43 AM (baL2B)

118 Not feeling terribly sorry for the insurance companies. They supported and helped write this piece of shit. The question I want to see answered is how are doctors and hospitals going to react to this cluster? How the hell are they supposed to know what plans to accept and what plans to reject? We've got about 6 weeks until 2014 (including a few weeks that nobody will be working), so what happens on Jan 1, 2014? If you like your doctor can you keep him or not?

Posted by: JackStraw at November 14, 2013 09:43 AM (uS+OJ)

119 Seriously, every compliance officer in the world must be going fuck this shit I'm drinking at work. Are we in compliance? Hell if I know! Hell if I can know! Wanna see how far I can launch this pen with this rubber band?

Posted by: alexthechick - Here SMOD SMOD SMOD at November 14, 2013 01:40 PM (VtjlW)

 

It's kind of like how the mortgage industry has no fucking clue who    is currently in possession of, like, anybody's   mortgage anymore, because robofiling or whatever the fuck.      

 

What could POSSIBLY go wrong?

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/i][/u][/s][/b] at November 14, 2013 09:43 AM (4df7R)

120 Looking for a Photoshop of the Drudge "Fairy" pic with Obama's head on it? A commenter at Weasel Zippers has an excellent one up, in the thread about Drudge's picture.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at November 14, 2013 09:43 AM (7ObY1)

121 My comment @ 36 might be a total fabrication, but I still enjoyed posting it on FB and around Breitbart.

Posted by: UWP at November 14, 2013 09:43 AM (fdXMW)

122 Damn capitalist insurance companies!

Posted by: WalrusRex at November 14, 2013 09:43 AM (Hd8V0)

123 Looking for a Photoshop of the Drudge "Fairy" pic with Obama's head on it? A commenter at Weasel Zippers has an excellent one up, in the thread about Drudge's picture.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at November 14, 2013 09:43 AM (7ObY1)

124 They fancied themselves playing Krupp to Hitler. Instead they got Flounder to Otter.

Nice.

In the end I think it's going to be more like "Röhm to Hitler" but yours is funnier.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at November 14, 2013 09:43 AM (/kI1Q)

125

Working for the largest healthcare provider in the US - The Veterans Administration gives a stark lesson (if one still needs one) about Govt. run healthcare.

As of March 2013, 611,000 veterans were still waiting to recieve their benefits through the VA.  The VA was called before Congress and bitch slapped to reduce this backlog.

Today?  It is a mere 400,000 vets awaiting for their benefits.  A big 34% reduction in the back log.  This is waiting for Americans writ large.

Need a biopsy?  We can schedule you in 9 months.  If you are diagnosed with stage 4 cancer at that time we'll see what we can do to get you some pain meds.

Posted by: Cheri at November 14, 2013 09:43 AM (G+Wff)

126

The insurance companies climbed into bed with the socialist devil and now they want sympathy? 

 

Posted by: MTF at November 14, 2013 09:43 AM (B5y+v)

127 >>>Is the President says a company can break the law, is that an affirmative defense in Federal Court? Similar to Undue Command Influence in a court-martial. ... Hmmm... I seem to recall this Admin doing the same think with federal contracts right before the election. Go back a bit further and Roosevelt did the same thing with oil companies during the oil crisis... then prosecuted the shit out of them later.

Posted by: Damiano the Economic Traitor at November 14, 2013 09:43 AM (j0wOO)

128
If you want your substandard plan, you can keep your substandard plan......until after the next election.

Posted by: Prez Barack ONarcissus at November 14, 2013 09:43 AM (iGPSR)

129 15. Heretic! "Sarah Palin's Death Panels" is the quintessential metal album of the 00s, if not all time.

Posted by: Cardinal Biggles Jarrett at November 14, 2013 09:43 AM (Zswg6)

130 117 Has Jay Carney had his presser yet today? That may be martini worthy. Is it Friday yet? Damn my rules and stupid calories and liver. --- Dude, even I don't do drinking games with his pressers.

Posted by: David Crosby at November 14, 2013 09:44 AM (/Crba)

131 I got an uber liberal in the chair and she has not said word one as I rant and rave. And that is not like her. I bet she lost her insurance. he he he

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 14, 2013 09:44 AM (t3UFN)

132 Sorry for the double-post. I only hit "Post" once. Posting is as hard as buying insurance, apparently.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at November 14, 2013 09:44 AM (7ObY1)

133 So do the insurers get to keep pre-existing conditions off the policies they are now forced to rewrite? How can that be Toto?

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian

Toto?

TOTO

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at November 14, 2013 09:44 AM (rSTkb)

134

It's a possibility, yo. If I survive this glycol I'm chugging. J.J

 

Been there, done that......Its a bitch, just be close to the toilet, soon and I do mean soon-YOUR COLON

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at November 14, 2013 09:44 AM (HVff2)

135

101 FUCK OBAMA. No snark, just FUCK OBAMA.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 14, 2013 01:39 PM (olDqf)

 

 

But for heaven's sake, wear a condom when you do.   Do you KNOW how many STDs that man has?

 

Better yet, full SCUBA gear.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/i][/u][/s][/b] at November 14, 2013 09:45 AM (4df7R)

136 The female anchor asked Wallace if Obama had consulted with the insurance agency. Chris Wallace scoffed, laughed at the question, asking her in return: At this late date, why would he start consulting?


Pfft. Barry knows more about insurance than people in the insurance industry.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 14, 2013 09:45 AM (8ZskC)

137 I might have missed the  Insurance companies coming out in mass years ago  when Obama said ,' You can keep your insurance and Doctors  If you want to?'

::pulls my own pigtail::

Posted by: willow at November 14, 2013 09:45 AM (nqBYe)

138 130 117 Has Jay Carney had his presser yet today? That may be martini worthy. Is it Friday yet? Damn my rules and stupid calories and liver.

---

Dude, even I don't do drinking games with his pressers.

Posted by: David Crosby at November 14, 2013 01:44 PM (/Crba)


Perhaps if I have my free transgender operation next year they will throw in a bonus liver transplant at the same time?

Posted by: ChristyBlinky is a genius compared to preznit at November 14, 2013 09:45 AM (baL2B)

139 @9 Excellent Bumper Sticker..




Repeal and Impeach.




Posted by: dananjcon at November 14, 2013 09:45 AM (wmU4G)

140 I told you. I will be blamed anyway. My wife won't even sleep with me. Now, where's my pudding?

Posted by: Medical Insurance Drone. at November 14, 2013 09:45 AM (lsbD9)

141 "But I was told the fix was in on this????!!"

Posted by: Sarah Shriller-McHarridan, CEO of BlueCrossBlueShieldBlueBalls at November 14, 2013 09:45 AM (DLu2s)

142

Could he have come up with a WORSE idea than this?

====================================

 

Oh just you wait.  We're only at  the  first  act  in the kabuki dance.

Posted by: MTF at November 14, 2013 09:45 AM (B5y+v)

143 We're boned.

Posted by: that guy that always thinks we're boned at November 14, 2013 09:46 AM (QupBk)

144 I want to thank President Obama for helping me with the Healthcare mess that The Republicans in the House refuse to do anything about. Thank You Sir and I am proud I voted for the Black Guy over the religious nut Romney.

Posted by: Chrissy Liebowitz at November 14, 2013 09:46 AM (EUKai)

145 >>Republicans would do well to read "The Art of War" about now. >>The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting. Shit Sun Tzu Really Said Volume I

Posted by: JackStraw at November 14, 2013 09:46 AM (uS+OJ)

146

Hey,   wouldn't  single  payer  be  great?

 

Why is everyone bringing guillotines to Washington?

Posted by: Howard Dean at November 14, 2013 09:46 AM (B5y+v)

147

Wut?

Posted by: genius Navigators at November 14, 2013 09:47 AM (wAQA5)

148 I suspect Obama jumped the shark when he started messing with the Insurance companies. It has long been my opinion that they have inordinate influence with State Legislatures around the nation, and that they can be some very powerful enemies to people in the political industry. I think Obama has met his Waterloo.

Posted by: D-Lamp at November 14, 2013 09:47 AM (bb5+k)

149 It's a possibility, yo. If I survive this glycol I'm chugging. Propylene glycol?

Posted by: Hand Sanitizer[/i][/b][/i][/b] at November 14, 2013 09:47 AM (sByIH)

150 is Jackstraw here?


Jack if so , what would be the best move at this point  for conservatives or Republicans in general?

Posted by: willow at November 14, 2013 09:47 AM (nqBYe)

151 142 Could he have come up with a WORSE idea than this? ==================================== Oh just you wait. We're only at the first act in the kabuki dance. --- We can dance if we want to We can leave your friends behind 'Cause your friends don't dance and if they don't dance Well they're no friends of mine I say, we can go where we want to A place where they will never find And we can act like we come from out of this world Leave the real one far behind And we can dance

Posted by: Jugears McFuckstick and Men Without Jimmyhats at November 14, 2013 09:47 AM (/Crba)

152 At this point, delay, repeal, status quo, etc. all have the same outcome. The only question is in what order will Holder start prosecuting the scapegoats? *grabs popcorn*

Posted by: Damiano the Economic Traitor at November 14, 2013 09:47 AM (j0wOO)

153 Just read the Breitbart piece. Boehner is talking full repeal yet still wants to put the Fred Upton bill up for a vote. Go smoke a Camel, pal. Useless orange-glo fuckface.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 14, 2013 09:47 AM (olDqf)

154 Obama: Selling insurance is hard!

Posted by: Book at November 14, 2013 09:47 AM (qWES6)

155 Time to join the preppers?   This sounds eerily like Mao ordering this or that hare-brained scheme and another million peasants starve to death before that particular 5-year plan is quietly abandoned.   Theoretically the U.S. has many safeguards from such insanity, but with so much of the press being true believers and congress and the courts paralyzed by fear of being or being called racist and/or fear of riots starting if teh w0n is opposed .......

Posted by: PaleRider at November 14, 2013 09:48 AM (5CusZ)

156 Why is it that every time I walk into a negotiation with another country's foreign minister,  they  start  laughing?

Posted by: John "Horseface" Kerry at November 14, 2013 09:48 AM (B5y+v)

157

Death  Spiral  Ham is what people will be serving  for Thanksgiving this year. 

Posted by: polynikes at November 14, 2013 09:48 AM (m2CN7)

158 He's just BORED, you guys,  Seriously.

Posted by: Valerie Jarrett at November 14, 2013 09:48 AM (8ZskC)

159 The only question is in what order will Holder start prosecuting the scapegoats? --- Don't worry, all those trials will be on the up-and-up.

Posted by: Walter Duranty at November 14, 2013 09:48 AM (/Crba)

160 Ok, this is taken care of.  Let's get on that Comprehensive Immigration Reform while the Wacko-Birds have their guard down.

Posted by: John McCain at November 14, 2013 09:48 AM (Pr6hk)

161

"Why is everyone bringing guillotines to Washington?"

 

Don't you worry one bit about that, Howie.  You just lay down, take your afternoon nap, and we'll wake you when we're ready for you. 

 

Posted by: The Rabble at November 14, 2013 09:49 AM (LA7Cm)

162 The fireman who yells "F-F-Fire!" after setting your apartment complex ablaze... hero or stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure?

Posted by: t-bird at November 14, 2013 09:49 AM (FcR7P)

163 you know what.

That deer in the headlights ?
I think that's us.

Posted by: willow at November 14, 2013 09:49 AM (nqBYe)

164
http://www.flickr.com/photos/sandiandsteve/10857239874/

Posted by: Prez Ofairy at November 14, 2013 09:49 AM (iGPSR)

165 Why is it that every time I walk into a negotiation with another country's foreign minister, they start laughing?


I'll give you ten seconds to answer your own question, and don't start tapping out the time with your foot.

Posted by: Vladimir Putin at November 14, 2013 09:49 AM (8ZskC)

166 We knew that Upton's bill would force a schism between the White House and Congress.  There won't even be a vote on it after today's press conference.  The Democrats know the President can't do anything to save their ass now. Time to sit back and wait as the pain mounts.

Posted by: John Boehner and Mitch McConnell at November 14, 2013 09:49 AM (ugAvG)

167 willow FTW

Posted by: Captain Hate on the iPhone at November 14, 2013 09:49 AM (t7prs)

168

This isn't enough.  Democrat reresentatives and senators have to know this isn't enough to get them out of the hole.  Blame insurers, blame Obama - in the end they still have to face the voters and blame is something which is always in bountiful supply and ready to be spread around.  There is only one way out of their predicament and the sooner they realize that and vote on a repeal the sooner the nightmares end.

 

 

The bells aren't pealing now; they are tolling.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Prevarications, Insinuations and More at the Outrage Outlet! at November 14, 2013 09:49 AM (hLRSq)

169 126 The insurance companiesclimbed into bed with the socialist devil and now they want sympathy? Posted by: MTF at November 14, 2013 01:43 PM (B5y+v) I think they were in favor of the idea when they simply thought it forced more people to be their customers. I've noticed that Mandatory insurance laws are very popular among this crowd.

Posted by: D-Lamp at November 14, 2013 09:50 AM (bb5+k)

170 Gee, funny how the insurance companies couldn't have figured this out sooner and, I dunno ..maybe done some pr work to keep Obama out of office ... In fact, I remember my mom receiving info from AARP actually rah-rah-ing FOR obamacare.

Posted by: RondinellaMamma at November 14, 2013 09:50 AM (EJ/Tn)

171 Long youtube but an interesting perspective.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fE51E5_dXNI

Posted by: Ayotollah at November 14, 2013 09:50 AM (PLqdO)

172 154 Obama: Selling insurance is hard! Posted by: Book at November 14, 2013 01:47 PM (qWES6) Yeah.... how far has the American System fallen, when the President of the United States.. the Leader of the Free World... the Commander in Chief of the most Powerful military ever.... Spends most of his time in public, selling Insurance...

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 14, 2013 09:50 AM (lZBBB)

173 "Unfortunately, due to new LGBT-friendly legislation, being reamed up the ass with resulting tearing and bleeding is now considered a lifestyle choice, like smoking, and will not be covered under any of the new ObamaCare legal plans. You're welcome!"

Posted by: Sarah Shriller-McHarridan, CEO of BlueCrossBlueShieldBlueBalls at November 14, 2013 09:50 AM (DLu2s)

174 162 The fireman who yells "F-F-Fire!" after setting your apartment complex ablaze... hero or stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure? --- Muh-muh-muh-Malcolm. Muh-muh-muh-Martin.

Posted by: Barry The JEF at November 14, 2013 09:50 AM (/Crba)

175

157 Death Spiral Ham is what people will be serving for Thanksgiving this year.

 

Not so fast, it may not be kosher and up to ACA mandates.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at November 14, 2013 09:50 AM (HVff2)

176 It's about time to either a) pivot to the economy or b) focus like a laser on jobs.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 14, 2013 09:50 AM (uhAkr)

177 Ted Cruz nails it:

"We cannot 'fix' Obamacare. The damage has been done, as millions of Americans have already been made to pay higher premiums and lose their jobs, wages, and health care plans."

It's not just about the plans, it's about all the decisions that have been made in response to Obamacare - hospital sales/consolidations, doctors retiring, businesses reducing full-time workers, etc.

Posted by: Lizzy at November 14, 2013 09:51 AM (JRmiD)

178 "Insurance Industry: Obama's "Fix" Is Entirely Unworkable"

But the King hath ordained that it be so!

By Order Of The King!


Hmmm, maybe he'll just have to promote himself to god...

Posted by: TSgt Ciz at November 14, 2013 09:51 AM (xcAaF)

179 You can't fix stupid.

Posted by: Tater Salad at November 14, 2013 09:51 AM (QW+AD)

180 Insurance is so complex, only the best and brightest among us are allowed to sell it.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at November 14, 2013 09:51 AM (+lsX1)

181 Nevermind.

Posted by: Barky O'Genius at November 14, 2013 09:51 AM (8ZskC)

182 "Death Spiral" = SINGLE PAYER

 Obama, you magnificent bastard....

Posted by: Joe Stalin at November 14, 2013 09:51 AM (Bv9qa)

183 what would be the best move at this point for conservatives or Republicans in general?

Let the Democrats "fix" it themselves so they can continue to own it.  Don't obstruct anything, just vote present and keep saying repeal is the only correct fix.

That way you can't accused of obstructing, but you don't get sucked into the trap of becoming a part owner of it either.

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/s] at November 14, 2013 09:51 AM (Xlbr8)

184 If the insurance execs really want to fuck JugEars over, they should walk out in front of a press conference and do two things. 

One, have a guy walk out there with the binders containing the original healthcare bill as signed and then another bunch of guys after that with dozens of binders full of all the regulations drafted from the bill.

Let the press get a good long look at it and then ask the camera, "OK, asshole.  You stopped the employer mandate for a year and now this shit today.  Exactly which parts of this MFer are we supposed to follow?" 

Posted by: B at November 14, 2013 09:52 AM (XyoGP)

185 In fact, I remember my mom receiving info from AARP actually rah-rah-ing FOR obamacare. Posted by: RondinellaMamma at November 14, 2013 01:50 PM (EJ/Tn) Well of course. Obamacare cuts $700 billion from Medicare. Viola! AARP supplement.

Posted by: [/i][/b][/u][/s] Tami at November 14, 2013 09:52 AM (bCEmE)

186 Death Spiral Ham is only for Your Betters, proles. Think of my children. You'll eat dirt. And you'll like it.

Posted by: Moochelle Obama at November 14, 2013 09:52 AM (7ObY1)

187 "Ok, this is taken care of. Let's get on that Comprehensive Immigration Reform while the Wacko-Birds have their guard down.
Posted by: John McCain"


I told you John, after the election in our lame duck session.

Posted by: John Boehner at November 14, 2013 09:52 AM (IV4od)

188 "Boy, this Obama guy is really fcukin' dumb! And about to get really, really wet!"

Posted by: King Canute at November 14, 2013 09:52 AM (DLu2s)

189 Whew, no longer tops on the list of "Scuzziest, Most Dishonest People You Ever Run Across." 

Posted by: used car huckster at November 14, 2013 09:52 AM (LA7Cm)

190
"We cannot 'fix' Obamacare. The damage has been done, as millions of
Americans have already been made to pay higher premiums and lose their
jobs, wages, and health care plans."

It's not just about the plans, it's about all the decisions that have been made in response to Obamacare - hospital sales/consolidations, doctors retiring, businesses reducing full-time workers, etc.

Posted by: Lizzy at November 14, 2013 01:51 PM (JRmiD)


THIS.


srsly what the hell !

Posted by: willow at November 14, 2013 09:52 AM (nqBYe)

191 Stumbled across the stuttering CF while checking the noon newscast looking for the weather.  I did not know he was going to be on.  I changed the channel looking for one that was in the weather portion and there. he. was.  Ugh!  I swear to God the first two grunts out of his blathering pie hole were  "uh, uhhh."


It took me less time to switch to another station then it took for him to stammer out two "uhhhs."


Smart power people,  because the MFM and Whoreywood told us so.  Thank goodness we still have those pant creases to cling to,  right Dave buddy?

Posted by: Lloyd Loar at November 14, 2013 09:53 AM (9u2hL)

192 Whoever picked his purple tie today matched the color in his lips well. It did not do much for the growing mole, however.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky is a genius compared to preznit at November 14, 2013 09:53 AM (baL2B)

193 Ok, so we've fixed health care for another year, what should we focus on next?
What's the next thing on the list?

Posted by: Wolfram Zeta at November 14, 2013 09:53 AM (GaPPH)

194 Heh. my guess is any insurer who was planning on letting people keep their plans already did the "renewal date switch" anyway. Net impact of this: 0. But the SCOAMF gets to say he tried. :sigh: The worst part about this is, I warned lots of people about this, and every time I'm proven right probably makes it less likely I'll get a job from the people I warned (ironically.) Exile is the reward for my foresight.

Posted by: tsrblke PhD(c) (No Really!) at November 14, 2013 09:53 AM (GaqMa)

195 Fear will keep the local insurance companies in line.

Posted by: Grand Moff Sebilius at November 14, 2013 09:53 AM (QupBk)

196 The question I want to see answered is how are doctors and hospitals going to react to this cluster? How the hell are they supposed to know what plans to accept and what plans to reject? We've got about 6 weeks until 2014 (including a few weeks that nobody will be working), so what happens on Jan 1, 2014? Pro tip: Nigerian plans are usually a big no no. But now????

Posted by: rickb223 at November 14, 2013 09:53 AM (ix+5k)

197 AARP needs to STFU.  They back the wrong horse.

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/s] at November 14, 2013 09:53 AM (Xlbr8)

198 Purp,  jeeze.  i definately will have to drink  to ignore all the dems  possible 'solutions"

Posted by: willow at November 14, 2013 09:54 AM (nqBYe)

199 So let it be written; so let it be done.

Posted by: King Barry at November 14, 2013 09:54 AM (8g9qq)

200 192 Whoever picked his purple tie today matched the color in his lips well. It did not do much for the growing mole, however. --- Melanoma?

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at November 14, 2013 09:54 AM (/Crba)

201 I'm not a crook! FORE!!!!

Posted by: Barichard Husshouse Obixon at November 14, 2013 09:54 AM (SCB1g)

202 Remember, these are the people that literally fucked-up a whorehouse.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at November 14, 2013 09:54 AM (LA7Cm)

203 The question I want to see answered is how are doctors and hospitals going to react to this cluster? How the hell are they supposed to know what plans to accept and what plans to reject? We've got about 6 weeks until 2014 (including a few weeks that nobody will be working), so what happens on Jan 1, 2014?


Where is Kratos when we need him?


Posted by: EC at November 14, 2013 09:54 AM (GQ8sn)

204 It did not do much for the growing mole, however.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky is a genius compared to preznit at November 14, 2013 01:53 PM (baL2B)


Wait, Obama has a mole? Why doesn't he have it removed? He has the best health care in the world?

Posted by: Wolfram Zeta at November 14, 2013 09:54 AM (GaPPH)

205 >>> Yeah.... how far has the American System fallen, when the President of the United States.. the Leader of the Free World... the Commander in Chief of the most Powerful military ever.... Spends most of his time in public, selling Insurance... Posted by: Romeo13 at November 14, 2013 01:50 PM (lZBBB) Thread winner!

Posted by: Damiano the Economic Traitor at November 14, 2013 09:54 AM (j0wOO)

206 Ted Cruz nails it:

"We cannot 'fix' Obamacare. The damage has been done, as millions of
Americans have already been made to pay higher premiums and lose their
jobs, wages, and health care plans."

It's not just about the plans, it's about all the decisions that have been made in response to Obamacare - hospital sales/consolidations, doctors retiring, businesses reducing full-time workers, etc.

Posted by: Lizzy at November 14, 2013 01:51 PM (JRmiD)

Good, but he forgot: "The Democratic party and President Obama have declared war on the people of this country and our way of life"  

Posted by: The Jackhole at November 14, 2013 09:54 AM (nTgAI)

207 OT: Toronto Public schools declare that "Child is sex'l being from even from womb" http://tinyurl.com/mp7xfvx

Posted by: The Political Hat at November 14, 2013 09:55 AM (XvHmy)

208 >>Jack if so , what would be the best move at this point for conservatives or Republicans in general? Buy popcorn and booze. There is literally nothing Obama can do to fix this mess. Would should have been begging Obama to throw us into the briar patch. Republicans can now propose legislation that on the surface seems to be helping but will only make the situation worse. The Upton bill is an example of just that. The fatal flaw with Obamacare is that it is so big, so all encompassing, that pulling out any one significant piece has a negative chain reaction throughout the law. Put off for a year forcing individuals to give up the plans they liked for more expensive plans? Ok. Just what do you think that is going to do to the risk pools that are now filled with nothing but high risk, previously uninsured people? Boom. Conservatives should be thrilled with where we are right now. This is the opportunity we have waited decades for. Now is the time on Sprockets when we dance!

Posted by: JackStraw at November 14, 2013 09:55 AM (uS+OJ)

209 Wait, Obama has a mole? Why doesn't he have it removed? He has the best health care in the world? Posted by: Wolfram Zeta at November 14, 2013 01:54 PM (GaPPH) It's not easy getting rid of Valerie.

Posted by: [/i][/b][/u][/s] Tami at November 14, 2013 09:55 AM (bCEmE)

210 #177 Exactly; the Cleveland Clinic laid off thousands of people because of 404Care.

Posted by: Captain Hate on the iPhone at November 14, 2013 09:55 AM (t7prs)

211 Obama wants the Death Spiral. Because the goal is to kill off private insurance. The Left is already saying we need to replace Obamacare with Single Payer.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 14, 2013 09:55 AM (ZPrif)

212 Let the Democrats "fix" it themselves so they can continue to own it. Don't obstruct anything, just vote present and keep saying repeal is the only correct fix. That way you can't accused of obstructing, but you don't get sucked into the trap of becoming a part owner of it either. Posted by: Purp at November 14, 2013 01:51 PM (Xlbr Yes. Exactly right.

Posted by: D-Lamp at November 14, 2013 09:55 AM (bb5+k)

213 Let the Democrats "fix" it themselves so they can continue to own it. Don't obstruct anything, just vote present and keep saying repeal is the only correct fix. Just vote for repeal and refuse to budge. This has to be repealed.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 14, 2013 09:55 AM (uhAkr)

214 My Tingle! Where's my Tingle? I can't feel my Tingle! (furiously searches Google Images for Barack-with-halo pic) Ahhhhh...all better now. HIC!

Posted by: Tingles Matthews at November 14, 2013 09:55 AM (7ObY1)

215 It did not do much for the growing mole, however.


Posted by: ChristyBlinky is a genius compared to preznit at November 14, 2013 01:53 PM (baL2B)

Wait, Obama has a mole? Why doesn't he have it removed? He has the best health care in the world?

Posted by: Wolfram Zeta at November 14, 2013 01:54 PM (GaPPH)

 

Austin Powers: " mmmmmole mm ooo le "

Posted by: The Jackhole at November 14, 2013 09:55 AM (nTgAI)

216 Why is everyone bringing guillotines to Washington? Posted by: Howard Dean

You need building permits for the scaffolds.  We take plastic, certified checks, and cash (discount for Swiss francs).


Posted by: DC Building Inspectors, Inc. at November 14, 2013 09:55 AM (HjPtV)

217 If you like your Death Spiral, you can keep your Death Spiral.

Posted by: Tex at November 14, 2013 09:55 AM (DhStW)

218 I think the Republican's next Repeal vote should come with a Replace that includes all the stuff the Tea Party has been saying we should do from day one. Let ins cos compete across state lines. Frivolous lawsuit reforms. Etc. NOW would be the time to act, GOP. Herro? Anyone listening?? ::spits on mic.:: To paraphrase a drunk, effeminate pirate "If you're looking for the opportune moment, now would be it."

Posted by: Book at November 14, 2013 09:56 AM (qWES6)

219 Settle down morons, eat some Kaboom_-Jay Carney

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at November 14, 2013 09:56 AM (HVff2)

220 President Canute has ordered the tide to stop.

Posted by: toby928© at November 14, 2013 09:56 AM (QupBk)

221 Posted by: Captain Hate on the iPhone at November 14, 2013 01:55 PM (t7prs) While simultaneously claiming the law is great I might add.

Posted by: tsrblke PhD(c) (No Really!) at November 14, 2013 09:56 AM (GaqMa)

222 If this is TFG's idea I chalk it up to pure arrogant incompetence with a hefty side of hubris.    If ValJar is behind it, it is pure Machevellian genius for single payer.

Posted by: drill_thrawl at November 14, 2013 09:56 AM (H84UO)

223

Hey wait!    We thought this was all about politics!

 

You mean to tell us there are real world economic impacts from what we do?

 

 

Who knew?

Posted by: Debbie Wasserman Schultz at November 14, 2013 09:56 AM (B5y+v)

224 There's no place like Chicago There's no place like Chicago There's no place like Chicago (Prez clicks heels 3 times)

Posted by: teh Wind at November 14, 2013 09:56 AM (B3WUC)

225 Geeezzzz.... Rule of Law??? that's soooo last Millennium!

Posted by: Obama Appologist at November 14, 2013 09:56 AM (lZBBB)

226 Clusterfuck: the new normal.

Posted by: WalrusRex at November 14, 2013 09:57 AM (Hd8V0)

227 Jack, so you  are not worried about what Obama with Executive orders will attempt?
as He is with this today?

Posted by: willow at November 14, 2013 09:57 AM (nqBYe)

228

Shorter Obama:

 

http://is.gd/ScpIJ9

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX (@Teresa_Koch) at November 14, 2013 09:57 AM (PZ6/M)

229 The fight now is about blame. The Chaos has been unleashed. The Left's goal is to blame the Evil Insurance Companies, and say, see, we tried to reform the system, but the greedy insurance companies ruined even that. The only way out is Single Payer. Obama is burning the boats. There is no way back, the only way out is forward to Single Payer. That's the narrative he wants. That the insurance industry and right-wing crazies have sabotaged Obamacare from Day 1, and the only solution is to eliminate them.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 14, 2013 09:57 AM (ZPrif)

230 Gilligan, little buddy, it's only a three hour tour.

Posted by: Skipper of the S.S. Minnowcare at November 14, 2013 09:58 AM (TKFmG)

231 209 Wait, Obama has a mole? Why doesn't he have it removed? He has the best health care in the world?
Posted by: Wolfram Zeta at November 14, 2013 01:54 PM (GaPPH)


It's not easy getting rid of Valerie. Posted by: Tami at November 14, 2013 01:55 PM
---------------------------------

Especially if they get the philosophers stone.

Posted by: irright at November 14, 2013 09:58 AM (8GKDa)

232 229 The fight now is about blame. The Chaos has been unleashed. --- At least we know that Obama's alignment is Chaotic Stupid.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at November 14, 2013 09:58 AM (/Crba)

233 The Democratic party and President Obama have declared war on the people of this country and our way of life

Campaign ad: "Democrats and Obama put a contract on America, we want to call it off"

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/s] at November 14, 2013 09:58 AM (Xlbr8)

234 Delicious, it will get far worse. In order to save health care, we had to destroy it.
Obama has just guaranteed that this cruse will expend into 2016 election cycle.


Posted by: standfast24 at November 14, 2013 09:58 AM (wx/BY)

235

Do  you have health insurance?  Because if you do, you could always use a little more, right?   I mean who couldn't? 

Posted by: Ned Ryerson at November 14, 2013 09:58 AM (m2CN7)

236 Wait, Obama has a mole? Why doesn't he have it removed? He has the best health care in the world? Posted by: Wolfram Zeta at November 14, 2013 01:54 PM (GaPPH) If I were that mole, I would want Obama removed.

Posted by: D-Lamp at November 14, 2013 09:58 AM (bb5+k)

237 168 This isn't enough. Democrat reresentatives and senators have to know this isn't enough to get them out of the hole. Blame insurers, blame Obama - in the end they still have to face the voters and blame is something which is always in bountiful supply and ready to be spread around. There is only one way out of their predicament and the sooner they realize that and vote on a repeal the sooner the nightmares end.


The bells aren't pealing now; they are tolling.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Prevarications, Insinuations and More at the Outrage Outlet! at November 14, 2013 01:49 PM (hLRSq)

 

 

 

 

IF the GOP was smart, they'd nail the dem bastards to the wall with this.  Put repeal to a vote.  Let's see if the dems value their jobs more than they do dear leader.  If played right, this could really put these scumbags in a bind.

Posted by: Havedash at November 14, 2013 09:58 AM (BRhGr)

238

I like to cross stitch and crochet.    That said, I'm not terribly good at either.  I drop stitches here and there, or miscount rows on the Aida, but I can usually cover up for any mistakes with a tweak here or there.

 


But then sometimes    I'll   look at what i'm working on and realize that I've been working the pattern on the back of the fabric, or I've been repeating the same round for the last thirty rounds instead of decreasing   fifteen rows   earlier, and that's just not going to work.   In those situations there's nothing for it but to unpick everything and start over.   Clean slate.    It sucks and it's time consuming and I hate it, but I usually don't make the same mistake again.

 

Obammycare     is   by far a bigger    clusterfuck of a miserable failure than even my worst attempts at amigurumi.      REPEAL.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/i][/u][/s][/b] at November 14, 2013 09:59 AM (4df7R)

239 That's the narrative he wants. That the insurance industry and right-wing crazies have sabotaged Obamacare from Day 1, and the only solution is to eliminate them. Posted by: Flatbush Joe

And the Magic Number is still "67".

Posted by: mrp at November 14, 2013 09:59 AM (HjPtV)

240 Me: "You know, I'm much, much happier with Obama's presidency than I feared I would be."

Lefty friend: "Well, that's very generous for a conservative guy like you to say!"

Me; "Yes, I was afraid he was going to be competent and get some of his ideas actually accomplished. How relieved I am that was totally just my imagination!"

Lefty friend: "Mxyssassphhhhsjasttttttt!"

Posted by: Sort-of-Mad Max at November 14, 2013 09:59 AM (DLu2s)

241 Would you buy a used car from that man?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 14, 2013 09:59 AM (t3UFN)

242 mmm... shit sandwich...  and dear leader provided extra corn today...



Posted by: MSM at November 14, 2013 09:59 AM (Pr6hk)

243 I', trying to see this as a win, but instead i feel so wound i want to throw up at the possibilities.

i realize many are far fetched thoughts, But I haven't been reassured a Bit on anyone  putting breaks on Obama's authority.

Posted by: willow at November 14, 2013 09:59 AM (nqBYe)

244 The Left is already saying we need to replace Obamacare with Single Payer. With zero infrastructure in place & unable to use 404Care's. Suuuuuuuure.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 14, 2013 09:59 AM (ix+5k)

245 #221 Yeah I have mixed feelings on those turds since they did fix the tickers of Mrs Hate and Mark Levin.

Posted by: Captain Hate on the iPhone at November 14, 2013 10:00 AM (t7prs)

246 hypno bufo avete

Posted by: toby928© at November 14, 2013 10:00 AM (QupBk)

247 There is no way back, the only way out is forward to Single Payer.

After the little shit sandwich appetizers, people probably aren't interested in the shit casserole.

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/s] at November 14, 2013 10:00 AM (Xlbr8)

248 The fight now is about blame. The Chaos has been unleashed.
The Left's goal is to blame the Evil Insurance Companies, and say, see, we tried to reform the system, but the greedy insurance companies ruined even that. The only way out is Single Payer.

Obama is burning the boats. There is no way back, the only way out is forward to Single Payer.

That's the narrative he wants. That the insurance industry and right-wing crazies have sabotaged Obamacare from Day 1, and the only solution is to eliminate them.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 14, 2013 01:57 PM (ZPrif)

 

To quote Bum again.

 

Everyone fails but you are  only  a  failure  when  you  blame others for it.

Posted by: Ned Ryerson at November 14, 2013 10:00 AM (m2CN7)

249


There is only one way to fix this...


Posted by: Dr. Gosnell at November 14, 2013 10:00 AM (Pr6hk)

250 >>> There is no way back, the only way out is forward to Single Payer. ... Everything is proceeding as I have foreseen! Now, witness the power of this fully operational single payor system! (What you thought that all those extra IRS agents and $600 billion were for Obamacare BWAHAHAHAHAHA!)

Posted by: Valerie Jarrett at November 14, 2013 10:01 AM (j0wOO)

251 The SCOAMF has out-SCOAMFed himself.

Posted by: Tex Lovera at November 14, 2013 10:01 AM (wtvvX)

252 Obama could have mastered Actuarial Science, but math is boring so he didn't. He didn't want to limit himself like that.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 14, 2013 10:01 AM (ZPrif)

253 This Is A New Insanity ----------- What fresh madness is this? He sayeth this, then he sayeth that. One cannot be the other. A cloud has descended upon his brow. He cannot see clearly through the fog of his fears. Get thee to Bedlam! They must prepare a bed for the king.

Posted by: zombie at November 14, 2013 10:01 AM (+cx5n)

254 The chances of us retaining those past 2014 are slim at best because most of the Dems will think the danger is past and will revert the second elections are done with.

Posted by: Brandon in Baton Rouge at November 14, 2013 01:33 PM (/Crba)

 

 

I accept that, because to see the looks on the faces of Harry, Barry, and Nancy when they realize they destroyed the biggest majority Democrats have seen for absolutely nothing and that their Legacy is Utter Failure - well, politics just doesn't get any better than that.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Prevarications, Insinuations and More at the Outrage Outlet! at November 14, 2013 10:01 AM (hLRSq)

255 NICS checks in October for gun purchases - 1,687,599

Number of people in October who either signed up for 404Care, or Medicaid, or clicked Add To Cart, or thought about, or discussed the website in a room with a computer - 106,185

Posted by: B at November 14, 2013 10:01 AM (XyoGP)

256 Obama's got the ball!  OH NO! HE'S BUTT-FUMBLED!!!

Posted by: Tex Lovera at November 14, 2013 10:02 AM (wtvvX)

257 There is no way back, the only way out is forward to Single Payer.

After the little shit sandwich appetizers, people probably aren't interested in the shit casserole.

Posted by: Purp at November 14, 2013 02:00 PM (Xlbr

 

If they make it similar to another FICA deduction,  the LIV  will just nod their head and go about their business.  

Posted by: Ned Ryerson at November 14, 2013 10:02 AM (m2CN7)

258 Don't worry my pretties! I'm working on a fix right now.

Posted by: Rep. Nancy Pelosi D-Douche at November 14, 2013 10:02 AM (ugAvG)

259 52When is AARP going to make an statement? They could be the political nail in the coffin here.       They can't speak right now, their mouths are full. IYKWIMAITYD

Posted by: drill_thrawl at November 14, 2013 10:02 AM (H84UO)

260 207 OT: Toronto Public schools declare that "Child is sex'l being from even from womb" http://tinyurl.com/mp7xfvx Posted by: The Political Hat at November 14, 2013 01:55 PM (XvHmy) Where does it indicate that this came from Toronto Public Schools?

Posted by: D-Lamp at November 14, 2013 10:02 AM (bb5+k)

261 That's the narrative he wants. That the insurance industry and right-wing crazies have sabotaged Obamacare from Day 1, and the only solution is to eliminate them.

Sabotage by reactionaries and counter-revolutionaries. 

I've heard this before, somewhere.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at November 14, 2013 10:02 AM (/kI1Q)

262 Posted by: Purp at November 14, 2013 02:00 PM (Xlbr Plus I'm not so sure single payer is the winner people keep insisting. Right now every philosophical argument I run is obscured by the fact that government control is one step removed from everything (i.e. lots of stuff through private insurers still.) But once they start pushing that, the distance is removed and we get to start breaking out the "the government owns you" line and pointing to NYC soda bans as the rule not the exception.

Posted by: tsrblke PhD(c) (No Really!) at November 14, 2013 10:02 AM (GaqMa)

263 Obama's got the ball! OH NO! HE'S BUTT-FUMBLED!!! Posted by: Tex Lovera at November 14, 2013 02:02 PM (wtvvX) As a Jet Fan, I love that.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 14, 2013 10:02 AM (t3UFN)

264 There is no way back, the only way out is forward to Single Payer. After the little shit sandwich appetizers, people probably aren't interested in the shit casserole. Posted by: Purp at November 14, 2013 02:00 PM (Xlbr Don't underestimate us. We were promised free shit and we will have free shit. No matter what it costs.

Posted by: 52% of the American Public Who Voted for SCOAMT at November 14, 2013 10:02 AM (j0wOO)

265 Would you buy a used car from that man?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 14, 2013 01:59 PM (t3UFN)

 

Judging by the continually   appalling sales figures for the Volt, people won't even buy a NEW car from him.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/i][/u][/s][/b] at November 14, 2013 10:02 AM (4df7R)

266 @263 Nevergiveup: I'm a Cowboys fan. I feel your pain

Posted by: Tex Lovera at November 14, 2013 10:04 AM (wtvvX)

267 You've got your unconstitutionality in my unworkability!


No, you've got your unworkability in my unconstitutionality!


GOP what say you?

Posted by: Kreplach at November 14, 2013 10:04 AM (qH/2Y)

268 …if the insurance companies can re-instate the prior individual plans can they then pull out of the exchanges and stop offering those plans since the only people on the exchanges will be the truly sick? That is the play I would be looking at to keep my company solvent… This is why Obama absolutely does not want to allow insurance companies to continue selling pre-exchange policies. My understanding of Obama’s “fix” is to let current policies continue, but any new policies need to be written under the exchanges. This means a dwindling pile of prior individual plans, year over year. If the Republicans are going to acquiesce to a fix, it has to be that the insurance companies can continue to sell non-exchange policies that are fully separate from the exchanges, and do not subsidize exchange policies. This will, as the press release stated, mean that exchange policies will rise even further in price more quickly than they otherwise would have; it will mean a reckoning with math sooner than the Democrats wanted it.

Posted by: Paid for by Citizens for Clyde the Orangutan at November 14, 2013 10:04 AM (QF8uk)

269 Can I still get free birth control pills?

Posted by: Sandra Fluke at November 14, 2013 10:04 AM (B5y+v)

270 I am not writing about this presser because it really  doesn't  serve  my  narrative.

Posted by: Sarah Kliff at November 14, 2013 10:05 AM (B5y+v)

271 ObamaCare's website.

Powered by Solyndra solar panels.

Posted by: Tex Lovera at November 14, 2013 10:05 AM (wtvvX)

272 >>Jack, so you are not worried about what Obama with Executive orders will attempt? as He is with this today? Not only am I not worried I want him to keep it up. He literally has no idea what he's doing and doesn't understand that he is not only not making things better he is making things worse. And at the same time he is pissing off even more of his base and his allies. I would pay cash money to be sitting in the board room of any insurance company in the US right now. Obama is trying to make them hold the bag for his screw up and I'm pretty sure they are not real excited about it. Obama's credibility is so tattered right now I don't see him getting any new legislation on any topic for the remainder of his term. When a president loses all credibility and is outed as a liar nobody is going to follow him.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 14, 2013 10:05 AM (uS+OJ)

273 There are 21 Senate Dem seats and 14 Republican seats open for election in 2014.

Posted by: mrp at November 14, 2013 10:05 AM (HjPtV)

274 Well, it all depends who ends up with the blame a year from now. The Democrat-Media Complex is still deciding on their smear campaign. Up till now they were focused on the Obamacare is going to be Awesome meme. That has now been declared inoperative. They appear to be transitioning to the new Obamacare Would Have Been Awesome If Not For Sabotage by Big Insurance, Tea Party Republicans, and Fox News. I hope they fail with their new meme. But they have a year to ramp up their Blame the Traitors media campaign.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 14, 2013 10:05 AM (ZPrif)

275 If they make it similar to another FICA deduction, the LIV will just nod their head and go about their business. FICA'ing $550.00 out of a $580.00 paycheck would be noticeable.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 14, 2013 10:05 AM (ix+5k)

276 We all know nothing would ever get the dems on board with impeachment/conviction/removal.  The interesting question is what Obama would have to do to get GOP leadership on board.

Posted by: irright at November 14, 2013 10:06 AM (8GKDa)

277 @275 THA'TS WHY WE NEED TO JACK UP MINIMUM WAGE!!!!

Posted by: Tex Lovera at November 14, 2013 10:06 AM (wtvvX)

278 Obama's credibility is so tattered right now I don't see him getting any new legislation on any topic for the remainder of his term. When a president loses all credibility and is outed as a liar nobody is going to follow him.

***
At this rate before it's over, he's going to be curled up in a fetal position under the couch in the Oval Office sucking his thumb while Valerie Jarret tries to lure him out with a pack of Kools on a string...

Posted by: B at November 14, 2013 10:07 AM (XyoGP)

279 What's that Mr. Preznit?  You want me to whip up a little fire?  Like in Waco.  Ok.  And where is this "Reichstag" located?

Posted by: Janet Reno at November 14, 2013 10:07 AM (Pr6hk)

280

Patience is a virtue. We are going to let the pressure mount on our opponents. The longer this clusterfuck continues the more our opponents panic will grow.

Posted by: John Boehner and Mitch McConnell at November 14, 2013 10:07 AM (ugAvG)

281 Insurance Industry: Obama's "Fix" Is Entirely Unworkable Insurance companies, prepare for an incoming blizzard of blame from the Obama administration. You have been warned.

Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at November 14, 2013 10:07 AM (vd7A8)

282 Could he do anything bad enough that the GOP leadership would do it despite it's inevitable failure in the Senate?

Posted by: irright at November 14, 2013 10:07 AM (8GKDa)

283 "We all know nothing would ever get the dems on board with impeachment/conviction/removal."

That's a high hurdle, for sure.  But 67 Senate votes are needed to override presidential vetoes.

Posted by: mrp at November 14, 2013 10:08 AM (HjPtV)

284

I bet that John Kasich fellow in Ohio feels like a fool now.  Putz.


Posted by: I'm Rick Perry, bitch at November 14, 2013 10:08 AM (Pr6hk)

285 And the media blame game will continue through to 2016. I'm not saying they'll succeed, just that is clearly their goal. The Left doesn't expect to immediately get Single Payer. They've said the whole time it will be a "transition" period of 10-20 years.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 14, 2013 10:09 AM (ZPrif)

286 The great bull shit7er in chief once again lies through his sparkling teeth.

Posted by: Bufalobob at November 14, 2013 10:09 AM (r8ENS)

287 Where does it indicate that this came from Toronto Public Schools?



Posted by: D-Lamp at November 14, 2013 02:02 PM (bb5+k)

 

The account is the official Twitter account of the Gender Based Violence Prevention office of the Toronto District School Board.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/i][/u][/s][/b] at November 14, 2013 10:09 AM (4df7R)

288 'bamacare 'bamacare
Make me a match!
Give me a plan, that
Covers my snatch!

'bamacare 'bamacare
Make me a match
that gives me free birth control!!!

Posted by: Sandra Flukenstein at November 14, 2013 10:09 AM (wtvvX)

289

We are up against powerful and entrenched interests.  Insurance companies.  Republicans.   

 

It's all their fault, America!   Thats who you should be executing!   Leave us be!

Posted by: Jay Carney-Barker at November 14, 2013 10:09 AM (B5y+v)

290 If this were truly about affordable healthcare, Obama would have walked out today and declared that all healthcare is free for everyone. Period. No website needed and it would be far cheaper than Obamacare from all angles. Simply submit all invoices to Uncle Sugar... ...but it isn't about healthcare and never has been. Quoth Roberts, "It's a tax". They've made 1/6 of the economy into government "revenue". There is no way, Democrats or Republicans, give that up.

Posted by: Damiano the Economic Traitor at November 14, 2013 10:09 AM (j0wOO)

291 Where does it indicate that this came from Toronto Public Schools? Posted by: D-Lamp at November 14, 2013 02:02 PM (bb5+k) It was directly tweeted by Toronto District School Board's Gender Based Violence Prevention Office.

Posted by: The Political Hat at November 14, 2013 10:09 AM (XvHmy)

292

AARP Delenda Est

 

Obama Whores

Posted by: Ray Van Dune at November 14, 2013 10:10 AM (sG76x)

293 Obama's credibility is so tattered right now I don't see him getting any new legislation on any topic for the remainder of his term. When a president loses all credibility and is outed as a liar nobody is going to follow him. Posted by: JackStraw at November 14, 2013 02:05 PM (uS+OJ) And if we're lucky, we may see the sonofabich in Prison before it's all over. Impeach Erick Holder, and it will encourage the new one to enforce the law. Obama has a lot of law violations in his background i'll wager.

Posted by: D-Lamp at November 14, 2013 10:10 AM (bb5+k)

294 I don't want Obama impeached.  That would be like stopping your antibiotics when you feel a little better rather than taking the whole course of treatment.

You need to take all your medicine

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/s] at November 14, 2013 10:10 AM (Xlbr8)

295

Where does it indicate that this came from Toronto Public Schools?
Posted by: D-Lamp at November 14, 2013 02:02 PM (bb5+k)

 

 



The account is the official Twitter account of the Gender Based Violence Prevention office of the Toronto District School Board.

 

 

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at November 14, 2013 02:09 PM (4df7R)

 

 

 

ADDENDUM:   The fact that they can't spell "penis" just goes to show that     Canuck  publik   educashun is just as bad as the American variety.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/i][/u][/s][/b] at November 14, 2013 10:10 AM (4df7R)

296 At this rate before it's over, he's going to be curled up in a fetal position under the couch in the Oval Office sucking his thumb while Valerie Jarret tries to lure him out with a pack of Kools on a string...

Might be why he's always late to his own fucking pressers.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at November 14, 2013 10:10 AM (/kI1Q)

297 So, the good news is that tar and feathers do not require any sizing.  American suit sizes work just as well as European suit sizes and so we can include all the cabinet, including Horseface, in our general tar and feathering.

Posted by: MTF at November 14, 2013 10:10 AM (B5y+v)

298 Turning and turning in the widening gyre The narrative cannot hear its own weaver; Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold; Obamacare is loosed upon the world, The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The Dems lack all conviction, while the GOP knows not what to do with this opportunity. Surely some revelation is at hand; Surely the Second Coming is at hand. The Second Coming! Hardly are those words out When a vast image out of Spiritus Mundi Troubles my sight: somewhere in sands of the desert A shape with lion body and the head of a man, A gaze blank and pitiless as the sun, Is moving its slow thighs, while all about it Reel shadows of the indignant desert birds. The darkness drops again; but now I know That twenty centuries of stony sleep Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle, And what rough beast, its hour come round at last, Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?

Posted by: zombie at November 14, 2013 10:11 AM (+cx5n)

299 Near term I don't think Single Payer is possible. This blame game will last a decade. And what seems like an obvious lie today might well be liberal Conventional Wisdom in 2023. Most American think Oswald was a right-wing nut. If the leftist Media can claim an open communist who defected to the USSR was a right-wing nut, and get America to believe it, then there's no obvious limit to their lies and propaganda.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 14, 2013 10:12 AM (ZPrif)

300 Sorry about that -- I got halfway through the parody and just gave up. Forgive me.

Posted by: zombie at November 14, 2013 10:12 AM (+cx5n)

301 You need to take all your medicine

Posted by: Purp at November 14, 2013 02:10 PM (Xlbr

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Absofuckinglootely.   The Let It Burn therapy requires full capitulation,  or else we will  need  to  reinocculate  much  sooner.

Posted by: MTF at November 14, 2013 10:12 AM (B5y+v)

302 As the panic grows on the other side so does resistance to repeal. Repeal will necessarily be bi-partisan. Mathematics dictates that. Right now the votes aren't there so the pain must continue.

Posted by: John Boehner and Mitch McConnell at November 14, 2013 10:13 AM (ugAvG)

303 >>> FICA'ing $550.00 out of a $580.00 paycheck would be noticeable. Posted by: rickb223 at November 14, 2013 02:05 PM (ix+5k) Minimum wage increase is on the way, baby! Along with amnesty! Six months from now, we'll have 100 million formerly illegal aliens making $10.10 per hour and paying taxes like crazy! Wooohooo! Let's hit the Georgetown bars! Beer and hookers are on the Federal credit card!

Posted by: Democrats & Republicans at November 14, 2013 10:13 AM (j0wOO)

304 And the media blame game will continue through to 2016. I'm not saying they'll succeed, just that is clearly their goal. The Left doesn't expect to immediately get Single Payer. They've said the whole time it will be a "transition" period of 10-20 years. They have until January 1st, 2014 before a whole slew of people don't have insurance.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 14, 2013 10:14 AM (ix+5k)

305 >>The Left doesn't expect to immediately get Single Payer. They've said the whole time it will be a "transition" period of 10-20 years. Ya know, the msm doesn't rule the world much as we sometimes moan that it does. Obama is in the 30s and on his way down. Republicans now have the lead on the generic ballot. Hagan in NC lost a double digit lead in one month. All that just happened despite a lefty msm. The msm is not exactly acting in a monolith fashion behind Obama right now. And other Dem politicians, the ones who aren't completely insane, are running from Obama as fast as they can. I would love to see the Dems make the case that the fix for government taking over most of health care and screwing it to a fare thee well is a complete takeover of government health care. That should go smoothly.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 14, 2013 10:14 AM (uS+OJ)

306 The account is the official Twitter account of the Gender Based Violence Prevention office of the Toronto District School Board. Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at November 14, 2013 02:09 PM (4df7R) Okay, thanks. Jeff B. are you getting any of this?

Posted by: D-Lamp at November 14, 2013 10:14 AM (bb5+k)

307 >>> You need to take all your medicine ... Yeah! And eat your peas! And inflate your tires! And... what the hell... put on a sweater!

Posted by: Barack Obama, Chairman of GM and Inventor of the Volt at November 14, 2013 10:15 AM (j0wOO)

308 It was directly tweeted by Toronto District School Board's Gender Based Violence Prevention Office. Posted by: The Political Hat at November 14, 2013 02:09 PM (XvHmy) Okay, thanks. More evidence that Homosexuality is making inroads into the normalization of Child participation in Sexual acts. Again, Jeff B. are you getting any of this?

Posted by: D-Lamp at November 14, 2013 10:16 AM (bb5+k)

309 The Left will wait for another crisis. Another war that goes bad. Another .. something, anything .. that they can use to ramp up a media demonization campaign and get, just for an election cycle, total control of the House, Senate, and White House. Just like they did with Obamacare. The blame game is to prepare the groundwork so you can act when a "crisis" happens. And so you can use political power when you get it. In 2003, America seemed far, far away from putting the Obama-Pelosi hard Left in total control of all branches of the govt in 2008. Yet that's exactly what happened.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 14, 2013 10:17 AM (ZPrif)

310 There is no way back, the only way out is forward to Single Payer.

After the little shit sandwich appetizers, people probably aren't interested in the shit casserole.

Posted by: Purp at November 14, 2013 02:00 PM (Xlbr

 

 

I agree.  They couldn't get to single payer with a super majority in the House and a filibuster proof majority in the Senate, and With Obama's halo still unstained.  After this monumental charlie foxtrot they are going to get to single payer how? 

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Prevarications, Insinuations and More at the Outrage Outlet! at November 14, 2013 10:18 AM (hLRSq)

311 Nood!

Posted by: rickb223 at November 14, 2013 10:19 AM (ix+5k)

312 180 Insurance is so complex, only the best and brightest among us are allowed to sell it. Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at November 14, 2013 01:51 PM (+lsX1) Thank you GEH, but it ain't such a much.

Posted by: Weirddave at November 14, 2013 10:23 AM (N/cFh)

313 1. Destabilize the private insurance market with changing rules from one office that no one can understand until it is too late.
2. To save the private insurance market from collapses offer them a bailout with the stipulation to "temporary" take control of the payments of the plans via nationalize all the insurance companies.
3. Make private healthcare insurance providers illegal.
4. ??????
5. Signal Payer universal healthcare.

Posted by: Trevor@tjexcite at November 14, 2013 10:23 AM (bkAvJ)

314

Posted by: Trevor@tjexcite at November 14, 2013 02:23 PM (bkAvJ)

 

 

In other words, magic.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Prevarications, Insinuations and More at the Outrage Outlet! at November 14, 2013 10:25 AM (hLRSq)

315

I'm sorry, but my give-a-damn is busted for these insurance companies.  They moronically agreed to support this Lie Like Dogs To America Act, in return for a unicorn of 30 million new customers, which is almost certainly not going to materialize.

 

F them.

Posted by: rockmom who wants to win in 2016 at November 14, 2013 10:25 AM (Q4elb)

316 Insurers are getting ready for a broadside against Obama, if necessary.

Posted by: Jay at November 14, 2013 10:28 AM (4x8W0)

317 “Politicians can not solve problems. They have no technical capabilities. They don't know how to solve problems, even IF they were sincere. It's technology that solves problems, not politics.” —Jacque Fresco

Posted by: Filthy Scandi Snowbilly at November 14, 2013 10:37 AM (XhMkP)

318 "Posted by: Sandra Flukenstein at November 14, 2013 02:09 PM"

That just made me laugh way too hard.  I'm now picturing the JEF as Tevye yelling "Transition!!!" to the sky.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at November 14, 2013 10:47 AM (knoK7)

319 "Additional steps must be taken to stabilize the marketplace and mitigate the adverse impact on consumers." And they will be. The same way additional steps were taken to stabilize the equity marketplace and mitigate the adverse impact on consumers when the housing bubble burst. le out de bail, which is French for loot the treasury.

Posted by: Call me Ishmael at November 14, 2013 11:04 AM (O7OxF)

320 Something I haven't seen noted in the discussions are the strict controls placed on administrative costs for insurance companies.  Healthy people have very minimal claims contact with their insurer on an annual basis- rarely little more than a generic exam or routine cold.  Unhealthy people frequently have very complicated claims with multiple specialists who order frequent lab tests and scans to monitor their patients; all of which must be reviewed for proper coding and payment.  So, the more unhealthy folks in the pool - the more administrative handling each policy will require.

Posted by: 2nd Amendment Mother at November 14, 2013 12:22 PM (L4CWX)

321 The Ins companies ought to be sending O letters that he's violated their contract on numerous points, including, but not limited to OCare.gov's rollout.  They are going to be leaving the system because of his breech of contract and will be returning to offering plans they'd previous offered as soon as Ocare is repealed. 

Posted by: Seipherd at November 14, 2013 04:43 PM (qZWnx)

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