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October 22, 2013

****READY TO POST*** IRS auditors: $13B in EITC fraud last year
— Purple Avenger

...The IRS paid as much as $13.6 billion in bogus claims for the Earned Income Tax Credit last year, according to a report the agencyÂ’s internal auditor ...

...Over the last decade, the IRS could have paid out as much as $132.6 billion in improper payments...

I'm not sure I buy the WT's simplistic 10x'ing of last years figure for a decade number though. Pre-crash when UE was in the 5% range and a lot more people had decent full time jobs it would have been a lot harder to finagle an EITC payment.

Whatever...the $13B for last year being generated by the IRS itself is probably real'ish. So how much is $13B?

$13B/360M warm bodies (more or less) = $36/warm body. That includes people in comas, iron lungs, infants, pensioners etc.

Some percentage of total US population doesn't even qualify for EITC at all. Working parents might, but their children and pets wouldn't, non-working spouses wouldn't (although a household EITC is larger than a single person's).

So how much EITC can someone legally qualify for?

2012 Tax Year Earned Income and adjusted gross income (AGI) must each be less than: $45,060 ($50,270 married filing jointly) with three or more qualifying children $41,952 ($47,162 married filing jointly) with two qualifying children $36,920 ($42,130 married filing jointly) with one qualifying child $13,980 ($19,190 married filing jointly) with no qualifying children Tax Year 2012 maximum credit:
$5,891 with three or more qualifying children $5,236 with two qualifying children $3,169 with one qualifying child $475 with no qualifying children

FWIW, that single $13,980 number works out to be almost a perfect match for a $9/hr 32hr/week part time job, so a single person with a min wage part time job legitimately qualifies for the bottom rung $475 EITC.

From looking at those salary/payout ranges, the phat fraud cash is clearly in fabricating a couple of non-existent children. Suddenly your shitty $14k/yr part time job is paying $19k and the fridge is full of Heinies rather than jelly jars of tap water.

With the payout bump from zero kids to 2 kids being over $4,000 that's a huge incentive manufacture alternative realities.

BTW, a qualifying "child" can be up to 23yo if they're a "full time student".

So, suppose you did scam up an extra $4k/yr manufacturing a couple of faux-kids. That's over $330/mo. What kind of snazzy bling can that $300+/mo get you?

Well, you could lease a new BWM 3-series, or if you wanted to "go green", a new Chevy Volt. If you wanted some cash left over for insurance and gas, a new SmartCar is probably the way to go though at $99/mo lease.

I'm guessing this is why the Walmart parking lot is full of new cars when I roll up in my 1998 vintage Jetta.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at 10:15 AM | Comments (199)
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1 That's a lot of scratch.

Posted by: EC at October 22, 2013 10:17 AM (GQ8sn)

2 So they say $13B when they have paid Mexicans IN Mexico $80B. Why isn't that fraud?

Posted by: Vic at October 22, 2013 10:17 AM (zZbNF)

3 It's not vintage it's a classic!

Posted by: Suppressed Flasher at October 22, 2013 10:19 AM (X+nFp)

4 Anyone know where I can get a couple of underage Dominican hookers to claim?

Posted by: rickb223 at October 22, 2013 10:21 AM (h1D+w)

>I'm guessing this is why the Walmart parking lot is full of new cars when I roll up in my 1998 vintage Jetta.<

Uh oh... non-bland alert.

Posted by: Bat Chain Puller at October 22, 2013 10:21 AM (SCcgT)

6 I just read a research paper outline where the kid wrote that one of Queen Victoria's greatest accomplishments was launching her own website. These are the people our tax dollars support.

Posted by: jmel at October 22, 2013 10:22 AM (9ce/+)

7 According to the audit, the improper payments accounted for between 21 percent and 25 percent of all EITC claims in 2012

Fully a quarter of the program is fraud? This seems unlikely. Nancy Pelosi has assured me that government has been pared to the bone. It doesn't have a square to spare.

Posted by: Waterhouse at October 22, 2013 10:22 AM (Lw+sl)

8 So, how many people could you medically insure (in the bad old days of last month) for $13 billion? If they had such a hard on to increase Medicaid, why didn't they just increase it and leave everybody else the hell alone?

Posted by: Suppressed Flasher at October 22, 2013 10:23 AM (X+nFp)

9 Honestly, I've lost track of how many kids I've excreted. And it's all because our oppressive misogynistic patriarchal society conspires to deprive me of birth control.

Posted by: Sandra Fluke at October 22, 2013 10:23 AM (8ZskC)

10 Oh new thread smell .... : ) And about fraud ...just wait for all the identity theft coming with the ACA ....yeah you can So Trust those navigators

Posted by: Extremely grumpy momma bear at October 22, 2013 10:24 AM (PwoXD)

11 "Earned Income Tax Credit" Orwellian doublespeak right there

Posted by: brak at October 22, 2013 10:25 AM (NaTky)

12 Not a bad counter proposal when dumping Obamacare - end EITC and apply to Medicare/Medicaid.

Posted by: Chaos, it the other dark meat at October 22, 2013 10:25 AM (oDCMR)

13 I can assure that all muslims are good Christians and would never engage in such fraud. In fact we are now working on plans to provide you with affordable health insurance. Disregard that security alert on your computer, we are working on that, praise Allah.

Posted by: PRINCE ISA AHMED [/i] at October 22, 2013 10:26 AM (U2UQk)

From looking at those salary/payout ranges, the phat fraud cash is clearly in fabricating a couple of non-existent children.

Sometimes I wish I wasn't so damn honest.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea [/i][/s][/u][/b] at October 22, 2013 10:26 AM (4df7R)

15 I saw EITC open for ELO and ELP in '76.

Posted by: Countrysquire at October 22, 2013 10:27 AM (LSJmV)

16 Uh oh... non-bland alert.

At least it's not a Prius?

What's $13B compared to the money that was "lost" in the shutdown that we're supposed to be all broken up about?

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at October 22, 2013 10:28 AM (/kI1Q)

17 I used to watch daytime TV when I was testing a DVR program. Judge shows were the least bad thing to watch in my estimation. Many of the "cases" involved people owing other people money. You have no idea how many times I heard people say, "I was going to pay you back as soon as I got my tax return." Most of these people don't even have jobs. "I'm on disability." So that's when I learned about EITC. I looked it up and was amazed. This news story doesn't amaze me as much. I'd guess the 1/4 fraud is a low-ball estimate.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b] at October 22, 2013 10:29 AM (sByIH)

Suddenly your shitty $14k/yr part time job is paying $19k and the fridge is full of Heinies rather than jelly jars of tap water.

"A whole fwidge full of Heinies you say?"

- Bawney Fwank

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea [/i][/s][/u][/b] at October 22, 2013 10:30 AM (4df7R)

19 Gotta love that sweet sweet redistriboooshun moneys!

Posted by: toasty at October 22, 2013 10:30 AM (W2qJe)

20 There are days when I get really, really tired of being played for a sucker.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at October 22, 2013 10:30 AM (zF6Iw)

21 I'm guessing this is why the Walmart parking lot is full of new cars when I roll up in my 1998 vintage Jetta.

Maybe you're just cheap, Purp. [Imagine a large number of smilies here]

Posted by: joncelli at October 22, 2013 10:30 AM (RD7QR)

22 There are some groups hat the government wants to beak the law.Democrat constituents.

Posted by: steevy at October 22, 2013 10:30 AM (zqvg6)

23 I suspect that $13B is under-counted by several orders of magnitude. Estimates are that the SSDI program is 50% fraud and abuse so why would EIC welfare be any different?

Posted by: Vic at October 22, 2013 10:30 AM (zZbNF)

24 Last year I overheard someone blatantly selling off their kids' SSNs for others to use to EITC purposes. When I say blatant, I mean openly discussing their cut of the refund in front of me in line at Walmart. It was damn obvious that she did not have a single thought that it was wrong nor a single fear that she would be caught. Hell, one of the most vicious battles in the domestic things we handle is who gets the deduction for the kids. Have I mentioned I hate people? Because I hate people.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Mmmm. Blondies with whipped cream. at October 22, 2013 10:31 AM (VtjlW)

25 Something about old guys driving 1998 vintage Jettas seriously turns me on.

Posted by: Kate Upton at October 22, 2013 10:31 AM (8ZskC)

...The IRS paid as much as $13.6 billion in bogus claims for the Earned Income Tax Credit last year, according to a report the agencyÂ’s internal auditor ...

Yeah, if they're telling you $13.6 billion, you can bet your ass it's more than that.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea [/i][/s][/u][/b] at October 22, 2013 10:31 AM (4df7R)

I just read a research paper outline where the kid wrote that one of Queen Victoria's greatest accomplishments was launching her own website. These are the people our tax dollars support.

The funny thing is that Matthew Sweet's book Inventing the Victorians basically argued that the telegraph system was a precursor to the web. But I doubt that's what the precious snowflake had in mind.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at October 22, 2013 10:31 AM (zF6Iw)

28 My pets are my children. Whaaat?

Posted by: Y-not at October 22, 2013 10:31 AM (5H6zj)

29 IRS auditors? I mean come on, can such an entity actually exist? Someone so squeaky clean that they would audit the IRS without thinking, 'Oh shit, I'm gonna get audited back to my neo-natal days if I find anything!' I guessing they just spit-balled some number at a target scotched-taped to the wall and called it a day.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat [/i] at October 22, 2013 10:32 AM (U2UQk)

30
Qatar Removes Israeli Flag at Swimming World Cup

http://freebeacon.com/qatar-removes-israeli-flag-at-swimming-world-cup/

Posted by: Hepcat at October 22, 2013 10:32 AM (Q4mug)

31 Have I mentioned I hate people? Because I hate people.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Mmmm. Blondies with whipped cream. at October 22, 2013 02:31 PM (VtjlW)

*slides over bottle of Valu-Rite and a plate of blondies*

This meeting of the Misanthropic Morons Club may now commence.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea [/i][/s][/u][/b] at October 22, 2013 10:33 AM (4df7R)

32 Remember when, about 30 years ago, the Cabbage Patch dolls were introduced and folks were busted for claiming them as children on their tax returns?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 22, 2013 10:33 AM (DmNpO)

33 Israel is giving a prize people refer to as "the Jewish Nobel" to Mike Bloomberg.

Posted by: steevy at October 22, 2013 10:33 AM (zqvg6)

34 What's $13B compared to the money that was "lost" in the shutdown that we're supposed to be all broken up about? What's $13B compared to all the money that's "lost" whenever a Federal Government program gets audited. Seriously, every time money is just missing and nobody gets fired.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b] at October 22, 2013 10:34 AM (sByIH)

35 I just read a research paper outline where the kid wrote that one of Queen Victoria's greatest accomplishments was launching her own website. These are the people our tax dollars support.

Princealbertinacan.com. Your go-to source for badminton scores, umbrellas and cosmetic dentistry.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at October 22, 2013 10:34 AM (8ZskC)

36 So it's wrong that my Shelties each have Social Security numbers?

Posted by: Countrysquire at October 22, 2013 10:34 AM (LSJmV)

37 Last year I overheard someone blatantly selling off their kids' SSNs for others to use to EITC purposes. When I say blatant, I mean openly discussing their cut of the refund in front of me in line at Walmart. It was damn obvious that she did not have a single thought that it was wrong nor a single fear that she would be caught. Wait....how is that possible? The SSN would come up as 'already used' at the IRS. I have a friend who played hell getting her ex-husband NOT to use their daughter's SSN. When my friend went to file it flagged the daughter's SSN as already claimed.

Posted by: [/i][/b][/u][/s] Tami - GO CARDS - WOOHOO!!! at October 22, 2013 10:34 AM (bCEmE)

38 I just read a research paper outline where the kid wrote that one of Queen Victoria's greatest accomplishments was launching her own website. These are the people our tax dollars support.

Posted by: jmel at October 22, 2013 02:22 PM (9ce/+)

I just broke my hand because I *HEADDESKed* whille in mid-*FACEPALM*

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea [/i][/s][/u][/b] at October 22, 2013 10:35 AM (4df7R)

Princealbertinacan.com. Your go-to source for badminton scores, umbrellas and cosmetic dentistry.

And genital piercings.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at October 22, 2013 10:35 AM (zF6Iw)

40 So it's wrong that my Shelties each have Social Security numbers?

Handy Rule of Thumb: Anything that rides on the roof on family vacations should not have its own SSN.

Posted by: Mitt Romney at October 22, 2013 10:36 AM (8ZskC)

Hasn't the IRS admitted that they will accept the taxpayer's word that they have kids overseas, such as Mexico, with no SSNs?

If so, I expect that every single illegal in the country would be claiming 3 or more kids back in the homeland as dependents.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at October 22, 2013 10:36 AM (/Crba)

42 Wait....how is that possible? The SSN would come up as 'already used' at the IRS. I have a friend who played hell getting her ex-husband NOT to use their daughter's SSN. When my friend went to file it flagged the daughter's SSN as already claimed. *** she didn't claim discussing it were smart.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 22, 2013 10:36 AM (DmNpO)

43 Wait....how is that possible? The SSN would come up as 'already used' at the IRS. I have a friend who played hell getting her ex-husband NOT to use their daughter's SSN. When my friend went to file it flagged the daughter's SSN as already claimed.

Posted by: Tami - GO CARDS - WOOHOO!!! at October 22, 2013 02:34 PM (bCEmE)

Is your friend a member of a protected class?

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea [/i][/s][/u][/b] at October 22, 2013 10:36 AM (4df7R)

44 Someone learn me on some math and procurement costs, but wouldn't that $13 billion and change pay in entirety for the construction of the 3 aircraft carriers we're shorting the Navy right now?

Posted by: Conservative Crank at October 22, 2013 10:36 AM (sQ0LB)

45 Reminds me of all of those filers claiming $50,000 for slavery reparations that were accepted by the IRS. You have to wonder what the heck is going on that rampant fraud goes through while a bare bones tea party org gets the a financil colonoscopy.

Posted by: Lizzy at October 22, 2013 10:36 AM (JRmiD)

46 Remember when, about 30 years ago, the Cabbage Patch dolls were introduced and folks were busted for claiming them as children on their tax returns?

Oooh. I still have one of those. Hello, refund!

I probably shouldn't claim my cat Reggie "FUZZ" because he already declared himself over 18 when he registered to vote by mail.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at October 22, 2013 10:36 AM (/kI1Q)

47
I remember reading that article of if you played the game right with all the govt benefits, a family of four could be as well off as the same family that earned $60,000/year.

Even if that was a little exagerrated, some of these people are living pretty damn good off the sweat of our backs. And I know its true, because I know some of them and they are affording stuff that my family can't.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at October 22, 2013 10:37 AM (ufpPl)

And genital piercings.

And DIY chastity belts.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at October 22, 2013 10:37 AM (0HooB)

49 41 If so, I expect that every single illegal in the country would be claiming 3 or more kids back in the homeland as dependents.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at October 22, 2013 02:36 PM (/Crba)

As I posted above and on the news thread, they are sending $80B/year to Mexicans in Mexico.

Posted by: Vic at October 22, 2013 10:37 AM (zZbNF)

50 *slides over bottle of Valu-Rite and a plate of blondies*

This meeting of the Misanthropic Morons Club may now commence.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea at October 22, 2013 02:33 PM (4df7R)

**walks in, slumps at table, hands out gift certificates for Manolos and Jimmy Choos.**

**opens bottle of Dom Perignon, 1963**

People suck.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at October 22, 2013 10:37 AM (zF6Iw)

51 People think that because we don't routinely bribe traffic cops to get out of speeding tickets that this is not a corrupt society, but it's stuff like this that shows how corrupt it really is, top to bottom.

Posted by: mongo78 at October 22, 2013 10:38 AM (t+Qw5)

52 Wait....how is that possible? The SSN would come up as 'already used' at the IRS.

Easy as hell. You have four kids; not much diff between payout for three kids and four. You write three kids on your return, your friend writes one kid on her return, and gives you some portion of her "refund"[sic].

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at October 22, 2013 10:38 AM (/kI1Q)

53 Wait....how is that possible? The SSN would come up as 'already used' at the IRS. I have a friend who played hell getting her ex-husband NOT to use their daughter's SSN. When my friend went to file it flagged the daughter's SSN as already claimed. Posted by: Tami +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ I'm sure that the IRS would consider the audit of someone claiming EITC would be rayciss or something.

Posted by: Countrysquire at October 22, 2013 10:38 AM (LSJmV)

54 she didn't claim discussing it were smart. Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 22, 2013 02:36 PM (DmNpO) I assume they were discussing it because they've actually done it before, no? Is your friend a member of a protected class? Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea at October 22, 2013 02:36 PM (4df7R) Nope....white as rice.

Posted by: [/i][/b][/u][/s] Tami - GO CARDS - WOOHOO!!! at October 22, 2013 10:38 AM (bCEmE)

55 Maybe you're just cheap, Purp.

The moths in my wallet died of starvation.

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/u][/s] at October 22, 2013 10:38 AM (l5zzX)

56 People suck.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at October 22, 2013 02:37 PM (zF6Iw)

Preaching to the choir, my friend. *offers blondie* Blondie?

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea [/i][/s][/u][/b] at October 22, 2013 10:38 AM (4df7R)

57 Somehow I don't suspect I'll be getting any new cellmates from this

Posted by: Bernie Madoff at October 22, 2013 10:38 AM (Pr6hk)

58 98' Jetta.... I should be so lucky.

Posted by: Dash Ripp-Rock at October 22, 2013 10:38 AM (GjPnA)

59 Have I mentioned I hate people? Because I hate people. You and me both. But I just pulled a fresh pumpkin pie out of the oven. Would like a slice with whipped cream or ice cream? Now I'm not offering you a big slice, because h8. And sometimes I forget whether I should sprinkle Old Bay, paprika, or cinnamon on top. They all look the same to me.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat [/i] at October 22, 2013 10:39 AM (U2UQk)

60 The moths in my wallet died of starvation.

Posted by: Purp at October 22, 2013 02:38 PM (l5zzX)

In certain Asian countries, you could get some good money for those moths.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea [/i][/s][/u][/b] at October 22, 2013 10:39 AM (4df7R)

30
Qatar Removes Israeli Flag at Swimming World Cup

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I'd pay SO much money for Israel's soccer team to qualify for the 2022 World Cup in Qatar.

They bought the World Cup for their personal Disneyland in the desert and I'd love to see Israel be there just to piss in their pool.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at October 22, 2013 10:39 AM (/Crba)

62 America is a great country! You can make it here with no talent and no work!

Posted by: Vanilla Ice at October 22, 2013 10:40 AM (Wp/g8)

63 47 Posted by: Guy Mohawk at October 22, 2013 02:37 PM (ufpPl)

Someone posted a link to a newspaper article last year about some babymama who was pulling $75K a year in Chicago with NOTHING but government benefits. Welfare, food stamps, SSDI for her two "ADD" kids and various other local bennies.

Posted by: Vic at October 22, 2013 10:40 AM (zZbNF)

64 Not at all, Countrysquire. Just as long as they vote Democrat.

Posted by: Y-not's collies at October 22, 2013 10:40 AM (5H6zj)

65 I probably shouldn't claim my cat Reggie "FUZZ" because he already declared himself over 18 when he registered to vote by mail. *** HA!

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 22, 2013 10:40 AM (DmNpO)

66 Can't Obama's IRS make up this shortfall by collecting all of those sweet, sweet monies they'll be getting from back taxes from the amnesty crowd?

Posted by: Fritz at October 22, 2013 10:40 AM (UzPAd)

67

thirteen billion, thirteen trillion

words, just words

Posted by: Barry Soetoro at October 22, 2013 10:41 AM (Pr6hk)

68 People suck.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at October 22, 2013 02:37 PM (zF6Iw)

No argument here.

Posted by: joncelli, fresh out of a meeting at October 22, 2013 10:41 AM (RD7QR)

69 Cats are a natural conservative constituency.

Posted by: Karl Rove at October 22, 2013 10:41 AM (8ZskC)

70 Easy as hell. You have four kids; not much diff between payout for three kids and four. You write three kids on your return, your friend writes one kid on her return, and gives you some portion of her "refund"[sic]. Posted by: HeatherRadishÂ™ at October 22, 2013 02:38 PM (/kI1Q) Ah, see....I need to learn 'fraud think' like them. That never occurred to me.

Posted by: [/i][/b][/u][/s] Tami - GO CARDS - WOOHOO!!! at October 22, 2013 10:41 AM (bCEmE)

71 It gets better. A long time ago, when I was a junior petty officer and the EIC was new, I technically qualified based on my taxable income. Well, according to the rules, one was supposed to figur non-taxable income for claiming purposes. Combining housing and food allowance we didn't qualify so I didn't claim it. Many months later, we got a fat check from the IRS with a note saying: you forgot to claim EIC, here's your money. Gotta love government efficiency!!

Posted by: Scott- retired USCG at October 22, 2013 10:42 AM (YnP5E)

I probably shouldn't claim my cat Reggie "FUZZ" because he already declared himself over 18 when he registered to vote by mail.

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Which state were you living in at the time? I know that St. Louis, Missouri, has been caught registering dogs to vote before.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at October 22, 2013 10:42 AM (/Crba)

73 You write three kids on your return, your friend writes one kid on her return, and gives you some portion of her "refund"

A 2/2 split looks to be the best bang for the buck. Anyone with 4 or more kids can make serious bank "loaning out" any excess bodies.

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/u][/s] at October 22, 2013 10:42 AM (l5zzX)

74 50 *slides over bottle of Valu-Rite and a plate of blondies* This meeting of the Misanthropic Morons Club may now commence.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea at October 22, 2013 02:33 PM (4df7R)

**walks in, slumps at table, hands out gift certificates for Manolos and Jimmy Choos.**

**opens bottle of Dom Perignon, 1963**

People suck.

Posted by: Mary

Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at October 22, 2013 02:37 PM (zF6Iw)

/pours a Sailor Jerry and coke.... grabs a Peanut Butter Cup...

Concur...

Posted by: Romeo13 at October 22, 2013 10:42 AM (lZBBB)

75 but wouldn't that $13 billion and change pay in entirety for the construction of the 3 aircraft carriers we're shorting the Navy right now?

The Gerald Ford class carriers are seriously expensive. $13 billion might just pay for one.

OTOH, this is yearly fraud, so it'd pay for a Ford-class each year.

Posted by: Waterhouse at October 22, 2013 10:42 AM (Lw+sl)

76 Wait....how is that possible? The SSN would come up as 'already used' at the IRS. I have a friend who played hell getting her ex-husband NOT to use their daughter's SSN. When my friend went to file it flagged the daughter's SSN as already claimed. Posted by: Tami - GO CARDS - WOOHOO!!! at October 22, 2013 02:34 PM (bCEmE) Ahhh, no, that's the point. She's not using the SSNs for herself. No, no, no, she's selling off the excess. Let's say you have six kids. You do not get one single penny more for kids four to six. But. But let's say you sell those SSNs to me, who has no kids. I go from getting nothing to getting nearly six grand because now I qualify. I keep four grand and kick you two grand and everyone's happy.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Mmmm. Blondies with whipped cream. at October 22, 2013 10:42 AM (VtjlW)

77 Not at all, Countrysquire. Just as long as they vote Democrat. Posted by: Y-not's collies +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Those dogs are way smarter than that.

Posted by: Countrysquire at October 22, 2013 10:42 AM (LSJmV)

Someone posted a link to a newspaper article last year about some babymama who was pulling $75K a year in Chicago with NOTHING but government benefits. Welfare, food stamps, SSDI for her two "ADD" kids and various other local bennies.

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And I bet if you asked the bitch about it, she'd show you her 60" LED TV and say "It's a shame what people give you."

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at October 22, 2013 10:42 AM (/Crba)

79 America is a great country! You can make it here with no talent and no work! *** Dude has a good home improvement show. He flips million dollar houses now.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 22, 2013 10:43 AM (DmNpO)

80 Let's get Mitch 'I Will Fight No More Forever" McConnell on this.

Posted by: WalrusRex at October 22, 2013 10:43 AM (Hx5uv)

81 Hey, you can EITC enforcement or you can harass the Tea Party. Pick one.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here)-also drooling imbecile incapable of doing algebra or something at October 22, 2013 10:43 AM (659DL)

82 White trash are oneof the Democrat constituency groups.

Posted by: steevy at October 22, 2013 10:43 AM (zqvg6)

83 Quick research online pegs the cost of a carrier anywhere between 8 and 20 billion dollars, so we could still probably get one full carrier out of the EITC fraud from last year. Thanks a bunch, freeloaders.

Posted by: Conservative Crank at October 22, 2013 10:43 AM (sQ0LB)

84 That carrier cost estimate includes the air wing.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here)-also drooling imbecile incapable of doing algebra or something at October 22, 2013 10:44 AM (659DL)

85 Can't Obama's IRS make up this shortfall by collecting all of those sweet, sweet monies they'll be getting from back taxes from the amnesty crowd? *** I know you're joking, but it never ceases to amaze me that there is ANYONE alive who falls for that line of crap.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 22, 2013 10:45 AM (DmNpO)

Jesus. So if I stop declaring my college-student son as a dependent, he could get EITC? Or I could just keep declaring him and he can fraudulently file for EITC.

Damn. Sure beats getting that second job while trying to go to college fulltime.

Posted by: rockmom at October 22, 2013 10:45 AM (aBlZ1)

87 But let's say you sell those SSNs to me, who has no kids. I go from getting nothing to getting nearly six grand because now I qualify. I keep four grand and kick you two grand and everyone's happy. And this is exactly why that ACORN office had a tax preparer on staff and in the office the day that James O'Keefe dropped by to talk human sex trafficking with them.

Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at October 22, 2013 10:45 AM (V3kRK)

88 Gotta, you know, spread the wealth around...

Posted by: Your President at October 22, 2013 10:46 AM (NaTky)

89 That $13B might.... might... be enough to get a working healthcare.gov site up.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 22, 2013 10:46 AM (DmNpO)

82White trash are oneof the Democrat constituency groups.

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Not as reliably as blacks, American Indians, or gays, I'm sure.

Voting fraud on the reservations has been a big problem in South Dakota, which is why John Thune lost a squeaker to Sen. Tim Johnson before taking out the Dasch-hole two years later.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at October 22, 2013 10:46 AM (/Crba)

Posted by: Conservative Crank at October 22, 2013 02:43 PM (sQ0LB)

But we are quite willing to give up the Engine of Destruction, as our Primary missions are now Diversity, Green Energy, and being a 'Force for Good'!

Posted by: The NEW Navy at October 22, 2013 10:46 AM (lZBBB)

92 Damn. Sure beats getting that second job while trying to go to college fulltime.

Posted by: rockmom at October 22, 2013 02:45 PM (aBlZ1)

He would have to have a kid to qualify.

Posted by: Vic at October 22, 2013 10:46 AM (zZbNF)

93
Posted by: Conservative Crank at October 22, 2013 02:36 PM (sQ0LB) <<<<<<<<

Your missing the point. Shorting the Navy is about punishment for not thinking correctly and opposing more taxes. If they really wanted to build them they would just buy more debt from the Federal Reserve.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at October 22, 2013 10:46 AM (ufpPl)

94 There are whole Tax Return organizations out there dedicated to getting EITC monies to their "clients". Actual returns aren't really their specialty.

Posted by: dfbaskwill at October 22, 2013 10:46 AM (71LDo)

95 At some point, you've collected enough taxes.

Posted by: jakeman at October 22, 2013 10:46 AM (vH4YP)

96 This thread reminds me of the FSA National Anthem. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TmwOWmd7c98

Posted by: Countrysquire at October 22, 2013 10:47 AM (LSJmV)

97 Shit, you mean I can just PRETEND I have 3 kids? I've been going about things the hard way to get that EIC.

Posted by: Emperor Norton II at October 22, 2013 10:47 AM (MlqTY)

98
They always talk about fraud this and fraud that, but they never solve it, because they don't want to. They just consider it another transfer payment.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at October 22, 2013 10:47 AM (ufpPl)

And this is exactly why that ACORN office had a tax preparer on staff and in the office the day that James O'Keefe dropped by to talk human sex trafficking with them.

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I can't help thinking about that sting without picturing South Park's Leopold "Butters" Stotch going to the ACORN office to get housing for his bitches after this scandal broke.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at October 22, 2013 10:47 AM (/Crba)

100 That $13B might.... might... be enough to get a working healthcare.gov site up. By O'Care v4.0, I reckon that's what the invoice will read.

Posted by: jakeman at October 22, 2013 10:48 AM (vH4YP)

101 I know you're joking, but it never ceases to amaze me that there is ANYONE alive who falls for that line of crap.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 22, 2013 02:45 PM (DmNpO)

I expect they're the same idiots who fall for the, "Showing photo ID to vote is DISCRIMINATION!!!!!" argument.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea [/i][/s][/u][/b] at October 22, 2013 10:48 AM (4df7R)

102 4Anyone know where I can get a couple of underage Dominican hookers to claim?

Posted by: rickb223

I know where there's a LOT of them and they're compliant to all your wishes.

Posted by: Sen. Robert “Bob” Menéndez [D] at October 22, 2013 10:49 AM (4pjhs)

103

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at October 22, 2013 02:47 PM (ufpPl)

Yup.... a couple years back there was a report that there were over 100 Billion Dollars worth of duplicate services in the Fed Government...

We couldn't even get the HOUSE to move on that...

/facepalm

Posted by: Romeo13 at October 22, 2013 10:49 AM (lZBBB)

104 Here's a fun vacation story. Some English athletes, male and female, create competing nude calendars for their college teams fundraising efforts for a charity in 2012. Nobody blinks over the guys, but feminists go into a low earth orbit when the girls do it. So now what do the girls do here in 2013, when confronted by proactive attacks from the feminazis? They double down, and produce an even more revealing calendar! Awesome girls. http://ind.pn/1bbSrdi

Posted by: MTF at October 22, 2013 10:49 AM (X+q7f)

105 At some point, you've collected enough taxes. Posted by: jakeman Do you have any money left? Then no. We haven't. --IRS

Posted by: rickb223 at October 22, 2013 10:49 AM (h1D+w)

106 Even if that was a little exagerrated, some of these people are living pretty damn good off the sweat of our backs. And I know its true, because I know some of them and they are affording stuff that my family can't. My neighbor hasn't worked one single minute in the entire 7 years I've lived next door to him. Dude gets a new car every year, always nicer than mine. And he treats his car like shit, always filthy and piled up inside with crap. I am always so tempted to say "Since I'm paying for it, could you maybe keep it up a little better, and maybe hold onto it for a year or two?" Lesson to be learned: people don't take care of free shit because there's always more free shit where the first free shit came from.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at October 22, 2013 10:50 AM (7ObY1)

107 This makes me feel very, very good about the high four-figures check I just sent to the Infernal Revenue Service last week. Like I'm a real contributor to all that's good about Society and the Safety Hammock.

Posted by: jakeman at October 22, 2013 10:50 AM (vH4YP)

108 By O'Care v4.0, I reckon that's what the invoice will read.

Posted by: jakeman at October 22, 2013 02:48 PM (vH4YP)

Yessss..... improooovement........

Posted by: The Uber Grue, in the Dark... at October 22, 2013 10:50 AM (lZBBB)

109 Damn. Sure beats getting that second job while trying to go to college fulltime. Posted by: rockmom at October 22, 2013 02:45 PM (aBlZ1) He would have to have a kid to qualify. Posted by: Vic at October 22, 2013 02:46 PM (zZbNF) Nope. The average college kid would get $475 just for filing taxes since most of them would be unmarried making under $13,980. There are your books for a semester or a new phone or a nice cruise for spring break. Hell, play the discount cruise fare sites right and you could get two cruises out of that. My Bastard Ex had a little brother that was 20 years younger than he was. His parents offered to let us claim him as a dependent on our taxes because it was way more money for us instead of them. I. Lost. My. Shit. None of them, including the BEX, understood why I was so angry.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Mmmm. Blondies with whipped cream. at October 22, 2013 10:50 AM (VtjlW)

110 Illegal aliens are not eligible for the EITC. Have to be a U.S. Citizen or Resident Alien.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at October 22, 2013 02:49 PM (OWjjx)

Oh Mallamutt. You dear, trusting soul. You think a little thing like eligibility stops them?

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea [/i][/s][/u][/b] at October 22, 2013 10:51 AM (4df7R)

111 If so, I expect that every single illegal in the country would be claiming 3 or more kids back in the homeland as dependents. Illegal aliens are not eligible for the EITC. Have to be a U.S. Citizen or Resident Alien. Posted by: Mallamutt Or use the same stolen/forged SS card they used for employment.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 22, 2013 10:51 AM (h1D+w)

112

Got to love those government 'investments'

Posted by: Charles Ponzi at October 22, 2013 10:51 AM (Pr6hk)

113 Here's my brainstorm--set the budget back to the 2008 baseline, no automatic increases year-to-year, and no further debt limit raises. Any difference (surplus) between revenue and 2008 level outlays must be applied to the principle on the national debt, foreign debt first.

Posted by: Conservative Crank at October 22, 2013 10:51 AM (sQ0LB)

114 Illegal aliens are not eligible for the EITC. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here)-also drooling imbecile incapable of doing algebra or something at October 22, 2013 10:51 AM (659DL)

115 I can't help thinking about that sting without picturing South Park's Leopold "Butters" Stotch going to the ACORN office to get housing for his bitches after this scandal broke. *** Butter's Bottom Bitch

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 22, 2013 10:52 AM (DmNpO)

116 Illegal aliens are not eligible for the EITC. Have to be a U.S. Citizen or Resident Alien.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at October 22, 2013 02:49 PM (OWjjx)

They are also not supposed to be working here.... so your point is?

Posted by: Romeo13 at October 22, 2013 10:52 AM (lZBBB)

117 Illegal aliens are not eligible for the EITC. Have to be a U.S. Citizen or Resident Alien.

Most have stolen / fake SSNs and other documentation.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at October 22, 2013 10:52 AM (SY2Kh)

118 My neighbor hasn't worked one single minute in the entire 7 years I've lived next door to him. Dude gets a new car every year, always nicer than mine. And he treats his car like shit, always filthy and piled up inside with crap. *psst* Your neighbor is doing illegal shiz. I'm talking drugs or something.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b] at October 22, 2013 10:53 AM (sByIH)

119

And I bet ol' Uncle Sam doesn't give you the reach-around, like I give Barry, for all that 'stash

Posted by: Reggie Love at October 22, 2013 10:53 AM (Pr6hk)

120

>>Illegal aliens are not eligible for the EITC.<<<

You also need to be disabled to receive SSDI.

Posted by: Roy at October 22, 2013 10:54 AM (VndSC)

121 Dude gets a new car every year, always nicer than mine. And he treats his car like shit, always filthy and piled up inside with crap. *psst* Your neighbor is doing illegal shiz. I'm talking drugs or something. Sounds like he's doing the lady down at the benefits office.

Posted by: rickb223 at October 22, 2013 10:54 AM (h1D+w)

122 That's it my boy, overwhelm the system. It's the only way to get the power.

Posted by: Saul Alinsky at October 22, 2013 10:55 AM (Pr6hk)

123 *Owes money on tax form* I'm doing this all wrong.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at October 22, 2013 10:55 AM (oFCZn)

124 So, tell me again why the smart play isn't to claim you have insurance and figure the IRS will never know the difference? Because I'm pretty freakin' sure you need to supply names and SSNs for the 'children' you are claiming for EITC. If they can't match those, no way in hell they are catching bogus insurance info.

Posted by: Joe at October 22, 2013 10:55 AM (QFnhZ)

125 *psst*

Your neighbor is doing illegal shiz. I'm talking drugs or something.

Posted by: bonhomme at October 22, 2013 02:53 PM (sByIH)

It sounds very similar to what this one family in my hometown did when I was growing up. They didn't treat their stuff like shit, but it was always new and shiny and money was no object. His day job was something sufficiently white collar -- I was just a kidlet, so I don't remember what it was - but not so much that it really justified how much money they seemed to spend.

Turns out he was a big time coke dealer.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea [/i][/s][/u][/b] at October 22, 2013 10:56 AM (4df7R)

126 That's it my boy, overwhelm the system. It's the only way to get the power. Then you get the women!

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b] at October 22, 2013 10:56 AM (sByIH)

127 If I had a son, he would look like a EITC benefit...

Posted by: Barky Obama at October 22, 2013 10:57 AM (GjPnA)

128 Then you get the women! Posted by: bonhomme at October 22, 2013 02:56 PM (sByIH) Well shit..

Posted by: Barky at October 22, 2013 10:57 AM (fWAjv)

129 So, tell me again why the smart play isn't to claim you have insurance and figure the IRS will never know the difference? Because I'm pretty freakin' sure you need to supply names and SSNs for the 'children' you are claiming for EITC. If they can't match those, no way in hell they are catching bogus insurance info. As long as they don't have to see the actual bodies, forged/stolen SS cards are good to go!

Posted by: rickb223 at October 22, 2013 10:57 AM (h1D+w)

130 Millennium hand and shrimp!

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea [/i][/s][/u][/b] at October 22, 2013 10:58 AM (4df7R)

131

$13 billion... that's just a clown show. Let us know when it expands to the point of Circus Fire

[looks at news of Obamacare rollout]

Shit... CIRCUS FIRE... hose down the tents, STAT

Posted by: Ringling Brothers at October 22, 2013 10:58 AM (Pr6hk)

132 The other part of the scam is living with your "spouse" but not actually being married. No dual income to disallow your payments.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at October 22, 2013 10:58 AM (f9c2L)

133

Someone else claims your kid and files first, your return will bounce.

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Or someone claims *your* number and files first. Had that happen to a friend of the family.

Posted by: junior at October 22, 2013 10:59 AM (UWFpX)

134 To hell with the $13B, it seems to me any pay that skank Lois Lerner got over the last several years was a fraud. I'm not sure what her official duties were but she was damned sure doing some extra. The IRS? A truly criminal enterprise.

Posted by: Suppressed Flasher at October 22, 2013 11:00 AM (X+nFp)

135 We are at the gate!

Posted by: The FSA at October 22, 2013 11:00 AM (ixf9H)

136 The bigger area of fraud is not with illegal aliens, it is with good ol' fashion U.S. Citizens claiming kids they really are not supporting.

Posted by: Mallamutt
...........
Well.. it is a bit more subtle than that.. there is a portion of fraud where legal immigrants will claim the children of illegal family members.

So, cousin Juan has six kids but he's illegal and can't file a tax reform. Rodrigo IS legal and uses his cousin's kids for a nice phat EITC payment.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at October 22, 2013 11:01 AM (f9c2L)

137 The other part of the scam is living with your "spouse" but not actually being married. No dual income to disallow your payments. If O'Care financially incentivizes my wife and I to get divorced, we absolutely will. I've seen figures that we could save $7k to $16k in certain circumstances. Fuck. 'em.

Posted by: jakeman at October 22, 2013 11:01 AM (vH4YP)

138 the kid wrote that one of Queen Victoria's greatest accomplishments was launching her own website. Posted by: jmel at October 22, 2013 02:22 PM

www.WeAreNotAmused.com

Posted by: MrScribbler at October 22, 2013 11:02 AM (kaGpp)

139 Or someone claims *your* number and files first. Had that happen to a friend of the family.

That's why it's important to file early.

Posted by: ACORN at October 22, 2013 11:03 AM (8ZskC)

140
....BRB..... that wealth aint gonna redistribute itself donchaknow....

Posted by: Barrack Obama at October 22, 2013 11:03 AM (nELVU)

141

138We are at the gate!

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Boiling oil, dead cats, small boulders, and the more useless members of society already within the gates should be used as ammo.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at October 22, 2013 11:03 AM (/Crba)

142 You also need to be disabled to receive SSDI. **** Tom Coburn has been doing great work in revealing disability fraud. I watched the hearing two weeks ago and it was astonishing how brazen the attorneys and doctors involved in just one small fraud ring had become. Meanwhile, I am left thanking God for my disability insurance payments. I can't work due to my heart condition and yet was refused for SSDI. My insurance company was floored but said that when a judge reviews my records I should get approved. They also said that they've never seen any consistency in who SSA approves and who they do not. They told me they had one fella die of cancer while awaiting his appeal while others have been approved on their first attempt for backaches alone.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 22, 2013 11:03 AM (DmNpO)

143

>>>and the fridge is full of Heinies

Heineken?! FK that sh*t! Pabst Blue Ribbon!

Posted by: Bigby's Severed Hand at October 22, 2013 11:03 AM (3ZtZW)

144 thirteen billion.... wow, that would pay for all my contraception until I was like 71

Posted by: Sandra Fluke at October 22, 2013 11:03 AM (Pr6hk)

145 I use to work with this gal named Shemika Ivers who was our building custodian. Every March she would be so "happys" as she danced around emptying the garbage pails and telling all of us "hows" she "done did "gots her check for $6,000.00" for all "dem taxes I bees paid". Shemika was unmarried and had 4 kids from different daddys. I remember this because it was always the same time each year when I sent a check to the IRS. Earned Income Tax Credit my ass.....

Posted by: IrishEd at October 22, 2013 11:03 AM (D0NZx)

146 As long as they don't have to see the actual bodies, forged/stolen SS cards are good to go! Posted by: rickb223 at October 22, 2013 02:57 PM (h1D+w) You don't vote the correct way or visit the right websites. They'll notice you.

Posted by: RWC at October 22, 2013 11:03 AM (fWAjv)

147 Huh. I guess Ancient Egypt was too controversial.

Posted by: WalrusRex at October 22, 2013 11:04 AM (Hx5uv)

148

141the kid wrote that one of Queen Victoria's greatest
accomplishments was launching her own website. Posted by: jmel at October 22, 2013 02:22 PM

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The first British porno site, www.LieBackAndThinkOfEngland.com?

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at October 22, 2013 11:04 AM (/Crba)

149

"I remember reading that article of if you played the game right with all the govt benefits, a family of four could be as well off as the same family that earned $60,000/year."

My daughter and son in law are in the category that this EITC applies to. Less than $50K in income, 3 small children, so they get the max $5900.

On top of that, they get $28K gifting from my MIL, $10K from the wife and I, plus they've never had the opportunity to purchase on piece of clothing, cribs, bedding, etc. for any of the kids as long as my wife has breath in her body and a credit card in her pocket.

Still, they're barely making it. The don't live the high life, have little savings and most would think they're on the edge of poverty.

I don't see how people make ends meet.

Posted by: jwest at October 22, 2013 11:04 AM (u2a4R)

150 *psst* Your neighbor is doing illegal shiz. I'm talking drugs or something. He's a welfare case. I think he's on some phony-baloney disability too.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at October 22, 2013 11:04 AM (7ObY1)

151 Or someone claims *your* number and files first. Had that happen to a friend of the family. That's why it's important to file early. Just like voting. File early & file often!

Posted by: rickb223 at October 22, 2013 11:05 AM (h1D+w)

152

151Huh. I guess Ancient Egypt was too controversial.

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I think Jerry Rivers broke the comments trying to film a special about the contents.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at October 22, 2013 11:05 AM (/Crba)

153 Ancient Egypt is history.

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at October 22, 2013 11:05 AM (EGPJQ)

154 Illegal aliens are not eligible for the EITC. Have to be a U.S. Citizen or Resident Alien.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at October 22, 2013 02:49 PM (OWjjx)

What do you think the Amnesty fight is all about?

Posted by: Washington Nearsider at October 22, 2013 11:05 AM (fwARV)

155 Huh. I guess Ancient Egypt was too controversial. You too, huh?

Posted by: rickb223 at October 22, 2013 11:06 AM (h1D+w)

156 Did an Egyptian curse get rid of that Mummy thread???

Posted by: The Political Hat at October 22, 2013 11:06 AM (XvHmy)

157 Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Mmmm. Blondies with whipped cream. at October 22, 2013 02:50 PM (VtjlW)

Evidently they have changed the rules because originally you had to have a qualifying child.

Posted by: Vic at October 22, 2013 11:07 AM (zZbNF)

158 OT: The hashtag #ClimateReality is trending on TwitterÂ…

Posted by: The Political Hat at October 22, 2013 11:07 AM (XvHmy)

159

>>Imaginary kids in America!

Woah-oh

Posted by: Bigby's Severed Hand at October 22, 2013 11:08 AM (3ZtZW)

160 Hey guys, sorry I missed the last thread. NDH threw it up for me. Speaking of throw up, my wife is sick, hence the reason I missed it. I'll try to read comments and respond.

Posted by: tsrblke PhD(c) (No Really!) at October 22, 2013 11:08 AM (GaqMa)

161

It's the least you can do because of the hundreds millions my family made 150 years ago.

[listens to question offscreen]

Why no, I wasn't a math major at Yale. Why do you ask?

Posted by: Anderson Cooper at October 22, 2013 11:08 AM (Pr6hk)

162 Any kids in homeschools are disqualifying children

Posted by: Bigby's Severed Hand at October 22, 2013 11:09 AM (3ZtZW)

163 OT - FFS. Bunch of damn kids running the country. Â“Keg stands are crazy. Not having health insurance is crazier. DonÂ’t tap into your beer money to cover those medical bills. We got it covered. Now you can too. Thanks Obamacare!Â” http://tinyurl.com/nb6abcr Breitbart

Posted by: RWC at October 22, 2013 11:09 AM (fWAjv)

164 EITC is also a fundamental component in an identity theft scam you'll be hearing more about if you haven't yet. Goes like this:
1) I get your name and SSN
2) I e-file with low income phonied up and claim EITC, which is conveniently sent to a debit card or bank account created for this purpose
3) I vanish in a puff of smoke

A co-worker had this happen to him. It doesn't matter if you have ever e-filed before or would never do so. The IRS doesn't have a way to block e-filing.
It doesn't matter if you had a wife and three kids last year but are filing singly this year. The IRS won't be checking in anything near real-time. It doesn't matter that your phony W-2 completely disagrees with the one filed by your real employer. The IRS won't be checking in anything near real-time. Your only defense is to file as quickly as possible.

Credit card companies are smart and agile comparatively speaking.

I'm sure the IRS won't fall for any scams related to their new ACA responsibilities.

Top.
Men.

Posted by: chuckR at October 22, 2013 11:09 AM (n1exz)

165 The other part of the scam is living with your "spouse" but not actually being married. No dual income to disallow your payments.

Dunno about the rest of you, but I will laugh my fool ass off at the first "marriage equality[sic] activist" who gets gobsmacked by this. Be careful what you beg for, you just might get it.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at October 22, 2013 11:10 AM (/kI1Q)

166 Hey guys, sorry I missed the last thread. NDH threw it up for me. *** Actually, I just put it in draft for you. One of the COBs decided when to publish it.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 22, 2013 11:10 AM (DmNpO)

167 Your neighbor is doing illegal shiz. I'm talking drugs or something.

I had a neighbor years ago who was a slip-n-fall artist. He got several paydays suing various supermarkets claiming various injuries.

He always had two new cars, a boat, jet skis, the newest wide screen, etc.

Never worked a day in his life.

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/u][/s] at October 22, 2013 11:10 AM (l5zzX)

168 OT: The hashtag #ClimateReality is trending on TwitterÂ… **** The Climate Reality twitter account is, I believe, the farthest thing from "reality"

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 22, 2013 11:11 AM (DmNpO)

169

Huh. I guess Ancient Egypt was too controversial.

Khopesh vs. Egyptian Axe?

Posted by: Lurking Canuck at October 22, 2013 11:11 AM (BrQrN)

170 127 Turns out he was a big time coke dealer.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea at October 22, 2013 02:56 PM (4df7R)

Back when I was a kid we had some neighbors that always managed to have a new car and a lot of shiny new toys all the time. We wondered how they did it until their credit finally ran out and the repossession crews came around.

Posted by: Vic at October 22, 2013 11:11 AM (zZbNF)

171 Cats are natural conservatives? No. You feed em, put a roof over their heads and probably have a litter box to clean out. For that, they bring you a nasty old dead mouse once in a while and wake you up too early all to often. A good hunting dog on the other hand is happy as a clam to work his/her tail of in the field and pull guard duty around the house. There's your natural conservative.

Posted by: nothinglefttolose at October 22, 2013 11:12 AM (pQdNP)

172 Illegal aliens are not eligible for the EITC. Have to be a U.S. Citizen or Resident Alien. Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at October 22, 2013 02:49 PM (OWjjx) **************** The IRS admitted recently that it had paid out something like $3 billion in EITC to illegal aliens -- and that was just in one tax year. Illegal aliens are also not eligible for food stamps under current federal law -- yet the Obama administration pays out billions of dollars worth of food stamps to illegal aliens every year, and even spends millions of dollars advertising that fact, both here and in Mexico. Wake up.

Posted by: Trivial Pursuer at October 22, 2013 11:12 AM (/sohm)

173 Posted by: RWC at October 22, 2013 03:09 PM (fWAjv) Good grief. We've gone full Idiocracy. I thought that was satire, but it is absolutely real.

Posted by: jakeman at October 22, 2013 11:13 AM (vH4YP)

174 #ClimateReality

Let me guess, none of the people 'seriously' posting there have ever had a class in Thermodynamics or Heat Transfer

Posted by: Georgia Tech School of Earth and Atmospheric Sciences at October 22, 2013 11:13 AM (Pr6hk)

175

When I was working in the restaurant industry, none of the illegals filed returns. You could tell from their withholding forms, I think the lowest I saw claimed was 8. So they were paying SSI/Medicare but little else.

One more life lesson that more people will be learning in the near future.

Posted by: Joe at October 22, 2013 11:13 AM (QFnhZ)

176

No mention of the scam where illegal immigrants claim numerous kids "living" in other countries. Nobody checks to see if they actually exist.
Easy money if you know how to game the system.

Get back to work, there's welfare recipients depending on you!

Posted by: Max Entropy at October 22, 2013 11:13 AM (QKYRm)

177 O/T: Anyone else lose access to Al-Jazeera America?
Just noticed last night that it is no longer available on DirecTV. Was a nice surprise. I hope it's because they're failing, because if it were some kind of boycott causing this the other media outlets would be all "raaacist America intolerant of foreign media!" right?

Posted by: Lizzy at October 22, 2013 11:13 AM (JRmiD)

178

OT - FFS. Bunch of damn kids running the country.

Â“Keg stands are crazy. Not having health insurance is crazier. DonÂ’t tap into your beer money to cover those medical bills. We got it covered. Now you can too. Thanks Obamacare!Â”

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*facepalm*

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at October 22, 2013 11:17 AM (/Crba)

179

The main key, of course, with all the free stuff is its tax free also. The rest of us are getting jambed with that up the obamahole.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at October 22, 2013 11:17 AM (ufpPl)

180 182O/T: Anyone else lose access to Al-Jazeera America?
Just noticed last night that it is no longer available on DirecTV. Was a nice surprise. I hope it's because they're failing, because if it were some kind of boycott causing this the other media outlets would be all "raaacist America intolerant of foreign media!" right? --- I'm taking a guess that a bunch of cable companies had to wait out their existing deals with CurrenTV in order to drop them when they bought out the network.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at October 22, 2013 11:17 AM (/Crba)

181

>>>127 Turns out he was a big time coke dealer.

Growing up I knew a guy who was a big time pot dealer, though I'm sure he dabbled in other things. Never got caught though cops raided his house a few times. Basically, he never had anything in his house and was never flashy in any way.

Posted by: Bigby's Severed Hand at October 22, 2013 11:18 AM (3ZtZW)

182 So I'm guessing rdbrewer is having a little fun with that above post.

Nice point...

Posted by: HH at October 22, 2013 11:19 AM (XXwdv)

183

@176 For that, they bring you a nasty old dead mouse once in a while

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You're forgetting that the fact that mouse is dead means that it can't go nibbling away at everything you have in storage. No spilled food - or worse.

My parents discovered they had a mouse or rat in one of their garage storage closets when they realized that the bottom corner had been chewed out of one of a 2.5 gallon water jug. The resulting mess (in addition to the other things that were chewed on) ruined half the stuff in the closet. After cleaning things out, they left the closet door open and let cat spend some time inside. The instigator of the whole mess was never seen alive or dead... but there were no further signs of its handiwork, either.

Posted by: junior at October 22, 2013 11:19 AM (UWFpX)

184 As I recall, a significant number of refund checks got sent to the same address in Atlanta. Maybe that should be a clue?

Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie © at October 22, 2013 11:20 AM (1hM1d)

185 We found evidence that a mouse had gotten behind or into our cabinets somehow, so we left the cabinet doors open all night and found half a mouse on the floor in the morning. Good kitty.

Posted by: Lincolntf at October 22, 2013 11:22 AM (ZshNr)

186

As I recall, a significant number of refund checks got sent to the same address in Atlanta. Maybe that should be a clue?

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Usually a good sign, but not always.

There's at least one case in Louisiana where something like that happened and a hold was put on all those refunds. Turned out to be the mailing address for a bunch of foreign workers from Poland or somewhere else who were all over here working on some project.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at October 22, 2013 11:24 AM (/Crba)

187

How does it work that one cannot qualify to obtain a social security number, then "pretend" to work (under the table), claim part of it so they can commit fraud? I see it every effing day of my life and It frosts me that people are re-electing those selling us down the river over and over again.

Posted by: DefendUSA at October 22, 2013 11:28 AM (S0aj8)

188 How does it work that one cannot qualify to obtain a social security number, then "pretend" to work (under the table), claim part of it so they can commit fraud? *************** It's easy. They file tax returns using TIN's (taxpayer identification numbers) instead of S.S. numbers. The IRS will give a TIN to anyone who asks.

Posted by: Trivial Pursuer at October 22, 2013 11:31 AM (/sohm)

189 Obama's criminal class believe freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose.

Posted by: pc at October 22, 2013 11:31 AM (jfAqQ)

190 still have al jizeera (AJAM) on my Direct tv. I know they moved on the "dial". I noticed about 6 other leftist channels that would never survive without bundling. Between them, televangelists and the shopping channels, I get dreck on about 3/4 of my options. I don't understand why R's don't champion ala carte programming. Oh, wait, that might actually be a winner.

Posted by: mc at October 22, 2013 11:35 AM (lrfmC)

191 A large segment of the underground economy has figured out it is best to work on the books each year just enough to max out on the earned income credit. It is like qualifying for Social Security and Social Security income benefits without actually having to pay anything into the system.

Posted by: NC Mountain Girl at October 22, 2013 12:01 PM (m3RWj)

192 28 My pets are my children.

Whaaat?
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Man, if I could have gotten away with that over the years --!

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at October 22, 2013 12:12 PM (BDU/a)

193 141 the kid wrote that one of Queen Victoria's greatest
accomplishments was launching her own website. Posted by: jmel at October 22, 2013 02:22 PM

www.WeAreNotAmused.com
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That was the initial rollout. Then they changed it to www.ScrewDisraeliAndGladstone.com.

Posted by: Wolfus Aurelius at October 22, 2013 12:15 PM (BDU/a)

194
OK, a silly question. On the tax form, you have to provide the SSN of each kid. If a filer is creating faux kids, aren't those numbers checked?

Posted by: Brown Line at October 22, 2013 01:00 PM (VrNoa)

195 "I'm guessing this is why the Walmart parking lot is full of new cars when I roll up in my 1998 vintage Jetta."

Or it could just be that you're ~~cheap~~ frugal.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at October 22, 2013 01:34 PM (yh0zB)

196 On the tax form, you have to provide the SSN of each kid. If a filer is creating faux kids, aren't those numbers checked?

Just borrow a couple of kids from your friend/neighbor who has more than 3. EITC maxes out at 3 so any excess is wasted unless "loaned out" (for a fee of course) to people with less than 3.

You can also fabricate phantom kids with some flimsy fake docs and apply to get SSN's for them

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/u][/s] at October 22, 2013 02:38 PM (l5zzX)

197

EIC fraud has been rampant from the inception of the EIC credit. Before that it was "phantom dependent" fraud. When you have community organizers "helping" people to get all they can you will have fraud. Most wage are honest and hard working . However the scammers know the system and used it. In the 80s people could list their dependents in Mexico. A IRS volunteer could not challenge their information. They only advise them that they were responsible for the accuracy of the information.What ever they said was listed. A few years later the IRS required a Mexican ID number. Supposedly that came from a Mexican official, but before that was mandatory they were allowed to write "applied for" in the SS block. So the scam went on. Then came the fake W2s to show the maximum earnings to reap the maximum EIC. Oh you may ask how they could use a fake W2? Well the IRS had no automatic system to verify the W2s the SS no or the employer no. So they requested instant electronic refunds which the IRS sent out without verification, Bingo! This led to tax "consultants" setting up shop in southern AZ. filing the returns collecting the EIC refunds and charging the filers huge fees for instant cash.

Posted by: Bufalobob at October 22, 2013 03:36 PM (r8ENS)

198 It's actually worse than it looks in the post . According to the IRS (http://www.irs.gov/uac/Newsroom/Earned-Income-Tax-Credit-for-2012;-Do-I-Qualify%3F) the average refund was $2200.00 so if we carry that average over to the reported fraudulent numbers we have nearly 6.2 million fraudulent claims . According to the same IRS webpage they paid out a total of 27 million claims . That means that approximately 23% of the claims paid out were bogus .

Posted by: johngalt at October 22, 2013 03:54 PM (XWq6m)

199 To add to the above , even if we give the fraudsters credit for being smarter and pulling in an average near the maximum credit , say $5,000 each that still produces 2.72 million fraudulent cases or just over ten percent . Either scenario is shameful any way you look at it .

Posted by: johngalt at October 22, 2013 03:59 PM (XWq6m)

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