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June 06, 2013

IRS Staffers Say They Were Directed to Scrutinize Tea Party From Washington
— Ace

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"Following instructions," they say. Higher-level officials "had a lot of input," they say.

Transcripts of the interviews, viewed Wednesday by The Wall Street Journal, appear to contradict earlier statements by top IRS officials, who have blamed lower-level workers in Cincinnati.
Elizabeth Hofacre said her office in Cincinnati sought help from IRS officials in the Washington unit that oversees tax-exempt organizations after she started getting the tea-party cases in April 2010. Ms. Hofacre said Carter Hull, an IRS lawyer in Washington, closely oversaw her work and suggested some of the questions asked applicants.
Â“I was essentially a front person, because I had no autonomy or no authority to act on [applications] without Carter HullÂ’s influence or input,Â” she said, according to the transcripts.

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1 Centrally managed thuggery is the Chicago Way.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at June 06, 2013 08:00 AM (2evqn)

2 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at June 06, 2013 08:01 AM (/PCJa)

3 Burn it down. Scatter the stones. Salt the earth where it stood.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at June 06, 2013 08:02 AM (/PCJa)

The trail is getting closer to Valerie Jarrett.

Posted by: Roy at June 06, 2013 08:02 AM (VndSC)

5 Moar names.

Posted by: EC at June 06, 2013 08:02 AM (GQ8sn)

6 Carter Hull: the new Lois Lerner.

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at June 06, 2013 08:02 AM (EGPJQ)

7 Officials? HOw about some fucking names?

Posted by: Waldo at June 06, 2013 08:02 AM (dHIHO)

8 Valerie Jarret or Cerberus. Hercules take your pick.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at June 06, 2013 08:03 AM (2evqn)

Moar blood in the water. Moar sharks please.

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at June 06, 2013 08:03 AM (EGPJQ)

10 The name Carter Hull sounds familiar for some reason.

Posted by: rickl at June 06, 2013 08:03 AM (zoehZ)

11 They aren't going under the bus without dragging somebody else with them. Which is fine with me.

Posted by: joncelli at June 06, 2013 08:03 AM (RD7QR)

12 "Elizabeth Hofacre said her office in Cincinnati sought help from IRS officials in the Washington unit that oversees tax-exempt organizations after she started getting the tea-party cases in April 2010."

Question: What made her seek help from Washington just because she started receiving 'tea party' cases?

Posted by: Tami[/i][/b][/u][/s] at June 06, 2013 08:03 AM (X6akg)

13 Plausible.... deniability....

Posted by: Romeo13 at June 06, 2013 08:03 AM (lZBBB)

And the lower-level grunts start passing the buck up the chain of command.

This should get good real soon. brb, makin' popcorn...

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at June 06, 2013 08:03 AM (0HooB)

15 Why can't it be both?

Posted by: Heracles at June 06, 2013 08:03 AM (El+h4)

16 Gee, I'm shocked at this revelation. Defund the IRS.

Posted by: dantesed at June 06, 2013 08:03 AM (vF+kM)

17 Them bad apples are just everywhere! But this is the last bad apple to be, that's for sure!

Posted by: HoboJerky, Hash Hunter at June 06, 2013 08:04 AM (X4HxX)

18 1: Transcripts of the interviews, viewed Wednesday by The Wall Street Journal, appear to contradict earlier statements by top IRS officials, who have blamed lower-level workers in Cincinnati. Well, duh. 2: I have limited sympathy for these workers. They had to know (or at least suspect) that this was, at best, unethical, and illegal at worst. They did it anyway because, "we were just following orders." Yeah- orders to deprive your fellow citizens of their Constitutionally guaranteed rights.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at June 06, 2013 08:04 AM (/PCJa)

19 I'm sticking to what I said a few days ago: show us the paper trail, then we'll believe you.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 06, 2013 08:04 AM (TOk1P)

20 How many fucking higher ups to have to learn about before someone goes to fucking federal prison for a long long time? I'm sick of this BS clown show. I want some ass reaming served up to these scumbags.

Posted by: Hunker down and L.I.B. at June 06, 2013 08:04 AM (Cs2tJ)

21 Great. Barkey in-state today. Now we're going to have fumigate the entire state.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at June 06, 2013 08:04 AM (aDwsi)

22 Tami Ms Hofacre probably has an email sent to her from one of the off-the-books email accounts telling her to do what she did. If you receive a request from a group with Tea Party in its name, contact Carter Hull for guidance.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at June 06, 2013 08:04 AM (2evqn)

23 Elizabeth Hofacre

For some reason I read that as "Elizabeth Horface." And it's not even Friday yet.

Posted by: joncelli at June 06, 2013 08:04 AM (RD7QR)

24 So who is Carter Hull? Need full bio.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at June 06, 2013 08:04 AM (ZPrif)

25 3 Burn it down. Scatter the stones. Salt the earth where it stood. Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at June 06, 2013 12:02 PM (/PCJa) You forgot kill their men and enjoy their women. So be prepared to get it up for: Moochelle Hillary Ginsburg Wise Latina Kagan Lois Lerner Cruella DeVille

Posted by: Waldo at June 06, 2013 08:04 AM (dHIHO)

26 I'm sticking to what I said a few days ago: show us the paper trail, then we'll believe you.

Posted by: BurtTC

We can just ask for the phone records.

Posted by: Roy at June 06, 2013 08:05 AM (VndSC)

I wonder how many times "Carter Hull" visited the WH...

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at June 06, 2013 08:05 AM (EGPJQ)

28 22 Tami Ms Hofacre probably has an email sent to her from one of the off-the-books email accounts telling her to do what she did. If you receive a request from a group with Tea Party in its name, contact Carter Hull for guidance.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at June 06, 2013 12:04 PM (2evqn)

And THAT'S what I want to know.

Posted by: Tami[/i][/b][/u][/s] at June 06, 2013 08:05 AM (X6akg)

29 No one knows what was going on. I don't even know the orders that I didn't give, I swear, the government is so large who knows who those orders went to and for what. I don't even know if I had the authority to give them, but I didn't so it's a moot point.

Posted by: Valerie Jarret at June 06, 2013 08:05 AM (El+h4)

30 Scrutinators gonna scrutinate.

Posted by: RolandTHTG at June 06, 2013 08:05 AM (QM5S2)

31 If you just look at their phone records, you can see that they were rogues.

Posted by: White House at June 06, 2013 08:05 AM (FcR7P)

32 So be prepared to get it up for:

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at June 06, 2013 08:06 AM (/PCJa)

33 Stop harassing the IRS or one of us is going to have to leave the room!

Posted by: Moochelle at June 06, 2013 08:06 AM (El+h4)

34 IRS Summer

Posted by: eleven at June 06, 2013 08:06 AM (KXm42)

35 For some reason I read that as "Elizabeth Horface." And it's not even Friday yet.

Posted by: joncelli

I ready it as Sarah Jessica Horseface.

Posted by: Roy at June 06, 2013 08:06 AM (VndSC)

36 Somebody needs to do a Climategate hack on those secret email accounts. There's impeachable offenses in them thar hills.

Posted by: joncelli at June 06, 2013 08:06 AM (RD7QR)

More proof of racism!

Posted by: Martin Bashir at June 06, 2013 08:06 AM (h0/aL)

38 Can these assholes be personally ruined in civil court?

Posted by: Bathtub boy at June 06, 2013 08:06 AM (l3RZ9)

39 You forgot kill their men and enjoy their women. So be prepared to get it up for:

Moochelle
Hillary
Ginsburg
Wise Latina
Kagan
Lois Lerner
Cruella DeVille

Posted by: Waldo at June 06, 2013 12:04 PM (dHIHO)

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Waldo: Technically these are 'female' but I would never refer to them as 'womyns'.

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at June 06, 2013 08:06 AM (EGPJQ)

Leno's latest joke. I thought 'not lame, pretty good'

IRS not able to calculate the amount of the Powerball winner's taxes until they determine whether she is Democrat or Republican.

Posted by: polynikes at June 06, 2013 08:07 AM (m2CN7)

41 The juxtaposition on Drudge is hilarious--Mooch giving the virtual stinkeye to the Miss America GOP candidate. Of all the Dem women out there, the only ones I'd nail are Kristin Gillibrand and Mary Landrieu from about 20 years ago.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at June 06, 2013 08:07 AM (Ec6wH)

42 Make the rubble bounce....

Posted by: I'm lighting my torch now... at June 06, 2013 08:07 AM (ULH4o)

10 -

You might be thinking of me. I was FDR's Sec of State. Which means I'm probably at least partially to blame for all this mess, so there you go.

Posted by: Zombie Cordell Hull at June 06, 2013 08:07 AM (TOk1P)

44 Horseshak is that as a low level IRS employee?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at June 06, 2013 08:07 AM (2evqn)

45 We can say for sure no IRS official ever contacted a White House official about this stuff, at least, not by phone.

We checked.

Posted by: NSA at June 06, 2013 08:07 AM (El+h4)

46 IRS Summer Recovery of Records Summer

Posted by: t-bird at June 06, 2013 08:07 AM (FcR7P)

47 The IRS is the militant wing of the democrat party. Documented.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at June 06, 2013 08:07 AM (fCkqS)

48 How many fucking higher ups to have to learn about before someone goes to fucking federal prison for a long long time? I'm sick of this BS clown show. I want some ass reaming served up to these scumbags.

Posted by: Hunker down and L.I.B.
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Bwahahaha.....
Who cares what you want comrade.

Posted by: Eric Holder at June 06, 2013 08:07 AM (aDwsi)

49 This sounds like a racist thread.

Posted by: Guido at June 06, 2013 08:07 AM (4XNbW)

How many fucking higher ups to have to learn about before someone goes to fucking federal prison for a long long time? I'm sick of this BS clown show. I want some ass reaming served up to these scumbags.

So do I, but think about the psychological effect on everyone who's been named so far. Every day that goes by with the threat of prosecution hanging over their heads is another opportunity for them to think about releasing more names of more higher-ups.

I want them to sweat. A lot.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at June 06, 2013 08:08 AM (0HooB)

51 The name Carter Hull sounds familiar for some reason.

Posted by: rickl at June 06, 2013 12:03 PM (zoehZ)

You're probably thinking of Cordell Hull, who was FDR's Secretary of State and was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize in 1945 for his role in creating the United Nations. I don't know if he and Carter Hull are related.

Posted by: troyriser at June 06, 2013 08:08 AM (vtiE6)

52 44 Horseshak is that as a low level IRS employee?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at June 06, 2013 12:07 PM (2evqn)

Hello. I'm Agent Arnold Horschack. Hurh hurh hurh.

Posted by: joncelli is embarrassed to remember that at June 06, 2013 08:08 AM (RD7QR)

53 10 -

You might be thinking of me. I was FDR's Sec of State. Which means I'm probably at least partially to blame for all this mess, so there you go.

Posted by: Zombie Cordell Hull at June 06, 2013 12:07 PM (TOk1P)

Jinx.

Posted by: troyriser at June 06, 2013 08:09 AM (vtiE6)

54 Who Is Carter Hull? http://townhall.com/tipsheet/carolplattliebau/2013/06/06/who-is-carter-hull-n1614319

Posted by: zsasz at June 06, 2013 08:09 AM (MMC8r)

55 > Moochelle Hillary Ginsburg Wise Latina Kagan Lois Lerner Cruella DeVille Dear Lord, that's a list that would make a guy on a 20 year SuperMax rap say, "Nah, I'm good."

Posted by: Lemmenkainen, aka Dr. Hu at June 06, 2013 08:10 AM (ZWvOb)

56 @54, He ain't John Galt, that's for sure.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at June 06, 2013 08:10 AM (Ec6wH)

57 I just googled

"Burn it down.
Scatter the stones.
Salt the earth where it stood."

And got a shitload of links to comments by AllenG (Dedicated Tenther)

Posted by: Sphynx at June 06, 2013 08:10 AM (OZmbA)

58 I want them to sweat. A lot.

Hot fun in the Summer tiiiime.

Posted by: eleven at June 06, 2013 08:10 AM (KXm42)

59 Of all the Dem women out there, the only ones I'd nail are Kristin Gillibrand and Mary Landrieu from about 20 years ago.

Hmmm....I would have to go with Jennifer Granholm from back in the late 70's. She was on an episode of "The Dating Game" rocking the Farah Fawcett hair and some cleave.

Have a look:

http://tinyurl.com/k8avqhg

Posted by: EC at June 06, 2013 08:10 AM (GQ8sn)

60 27 I wonder how many times "Carter Hull" visited the WH...

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at June 06, 2013 12:05 PM (EGPJQ)

Gee, maybe as many times as that Obamacare witch Sarah Hall Ingram? She was there 165 times, some at the same times with David Easter Egg Roll" Shulman

http://tinyurl.com/mvpz5fc

Posted by: Marybeth at June 06, 2013 08:11 AM (Ks0w4)

61 Carter Hull may be the new John Dean. We shall see.

Posted by: Roy at June 06, 2013 08:11 AM (VndSC)

OT: the new John Kerry is Ed markey who when questioned about his vote upholding the medical device tax answered thus:

"IÂ’m working to repeal it. Um, I donÂ’t want to repeal it because you have to find an equivalent amount of money to repeal it. Uh, and so, for me, I want to repeal itÂ…Â”

Posted by: WalrusRex at June 06, 2013 08:11 AM (XUKZU)

63 There is a cancer on the presidency, and this one definitely didn't come from muff diving.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 06, 2013 08:11 AM (8ZskC)

64 You forgot kill their men and enjoy their women. So be prepared to get it up for: Moochelle Hillary Ginsburg Wise Latina Kagan Lois Lerner Cruella DeVille
Posted by: Waldo
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You did not mention the evergreen Helen Thomas

Posted by: Mike Hammer at June 06, 2013 08:11 AM (aDwsi)

65 Huma thought I was Arnold Horschack.

Posted by: Anthony Weiner at June 06, 2013 08:11 AM (h0/aL)

66 Hot town Summer in the city.

Back o my neck gettin dirty and gritty.

Posted by: eleven at June 06, 2013 08:12 AM (KXm42)

67 So now we take a closer look at Carter Hull. It's coming out. Obama won't be able to stop it.

Posted by: Body Builder at June 06, 2013 08:12 AM (DrC22)

68 Hey, leave us out of this. Not even genetic errors would stoop this low.

Posted by: Cancer at June 06, 2013 08:12 AM (El+h4)

69 #18 Well, duh. 2: I have limited sympathy for these workers. They had to know (or at least suspect) that this was, at best, unethical, and illegal at worst. They did it anyway because, "we were just following orders." Yeah- orders to deprive your fellow citizens of their Constitutionally guaranteed rights. No one is talking about section 1203, which the list of firing offences for IRS employees. They an be fired for looking up info about their neighbors. And they can be fired for depriving US citizens of their civil rights.

Posted by: Scandi Ambassador at June 06, 2013 08:12 AM (gWHwW)

70 We need a prosecutor. Someone to drag in everyone before a grand jury. Because, in the immortal words of Air Boss Johnson, "I want somebody's butt, I want it now, I've HAD IT!"

Posted by: joeindc44 didn't analyze nuthin, just offered his own anecdotal evidence at June 06, 2013 08:12 AM (QxSug)

71 Well Carter Hull seems to have been infesting the IRS for at least a decade if he gets his name on documents on IRC 501 (c)(4) organizations.
http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-tege/eotopici03.pdf

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at June 06, 2013 08:13 AM (2evqn)

72 Susan Rice believes that the whole thing started after a bunch of low-level IRS staffers watched a Star Trek parody video.

Posted by: The Poster Formerly Known as Mr. Barky at June 06, 2013 08:13 AM (qwK3S)

73 "I was just following orders from DC." How I love those words. No questions asked. No quibbling about: hey, maybe this order is criminal. Good little soldiers for the advance of Socialism!

Posted by: Bronco Bama at June 06, 2013 08:13 AM (hHgxI)

74 #70

Wait, maybe I misread you?

Posted by: Someone in Drag at June 06, 2013 08:13 AM (El+h4)

75 Can you even get cancer from a Wookie?

Posted by: Roy at June 06, 2013 08:14 AM (VndSC)

76 Have you noteiced that in reality the Republicans haven't done a damn thing about this other than "gotcha" hearings. No attempt a real reform, not even a call for real reform. Nothing but a bunch of democrats in disguise. "Hey I got mine and I don't give a damn about you." Vote the whole damn bunch of them out. Both parties. Start over. New group who are interested in something besides their own self interest.

Posted by: georgeofthedesert at June 06, 2013 08:14 AM (Eq2MX)

77 All of these scandals feel like one giant Game of Thrones episode. There is so much shit going on at once that the story doesn't seem to be progressing at all. Somebody with influence needs to pick a scandal and start making shit happen....Red Wedding style.

Posted by: Donkey at June 06, 2013 08:14 AM (Ggh94)

78 I wonder how many times "Carter Hull" visited the WH...

I'm trying to hoover down the WH visitor logs right now...

...the server seems curiously unresponsive.

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/u][/s] at June 06, 2013 08:14 AM (x744Q)

79 49 This sounds like a racist thread. Posted by: Guido
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Possible thread winner

Posted by: Martin Bashir at June 06, 2013 08:14 AM (aDwsi)

80 Two of the three bachelors look like BeeGees. WTF? That was a popular look in 1978? I grew up in Northern MN so all the guys dressed like country singers then.

Posted by: Lemmenkainen, Freelance Warlord at June 06, 2013 08:15 AM (ZWvOb)

81 We were just trying to be the best IRS workers we could be.

With the spas, and the amusement park rides, and the swag, and the dancing, and the drinking...

Posted by: IRS Workers at June 06, 2013 08:15 AM (El+h4)

82 I sure hope Republicans learn their lesson from this! They need to be more like Progressives: sneaky and corrupt. Read that in Leonard Pitts excellent column today.

Posted by: Bronco Bama at June 06, 2013 08:15 AM (hHgxI)

83 This entire Obama Administration is nothing but thugs, bullies, and rats.

Posted by: Fritz at June 06, 2013 08:15 AM (UzPAd)

84 No one is talking about section 1203, which the list of firing offences for IRS employees. They an be fired for looking up info about their neighbors. And they can be fired for depriving US citizens of their civil rights. I don't merely want them fired. I want them jailed. Or, rather, I want them (these "low level workers") granted immunity so we can find out who really ordered this- and jail them.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at June 06, 2013 08:15 AM (/PCJa)

85 Me? I'm going to Disneyworld!

Posted by: Joe Biden, Vice-President of the United States at June 06, 2013 08:15 AM (JQuNB)

86 DAMN! That's TWICE! I WANT SOME BUTTS!

Posted by: joeindc44 didn't analyze nuthin, just offered his own anecdotal evidence at June 06, 2013 08:16 AM (QxSug)

87 AllenG, #18: "They did it anyway because, 'we were just following orders.'" Some of my friends who know little of the military have been surprised to learn (in hypothetical ethics discussions) that I have not only the right but the duty to refuse an illegal order. (Caveat: If I refuse an order, I'd better be freakin' right about its illegality.) I've been wondering whether any of these "low-level employees" tried this approach: "Sir, could you say that again please?"... "Sir, I don't think I understood you correctly. I thought I heard you order me to discriminate against Americans based on their political views, which would be illegal."

Posted by: JPS at June 06, 2013 08:16 AM (g11mv)

88 Carter Hull may be the new John Dean. We shall see.

Posted by: Roy at June 06, 2013 12:11 PM (VndSC)

There can only be one John Dean. There's strong evidence he was the one who orchestrated the Watergate break-in in the first place (although that was G. Gordon Liddy's conclusion and Liddy can't be considered a trustworthy source on anything). That particular John Dean mix of weaselly connivance, self-serving dishonesty, and craven self-preservation cannot be duplicated in nature.

Posted by: troyriser at June 06, 2013 08:16 AM (vtiE6)

89 The trail is getting closer to Valerie Jarrett.

Time for someone to go Vince Foster??? But Who?
Inquiring minds want to know.

Posted by: Paladin at June 06, 2013 08:16 AM (ycm4Q)

90 Two of the three bachelors look like BeeGees. WTF? That was a popular look in 1978?

Dude, remember who owned the billboard charts during that time?

Posted by: EC at June 06, 2013 08:16 AM (GQ8sn)

91 I call GOP overreach.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 06, 2013 08:16 AM (8ZskC)

>>>76 Have you noteiced that in reality the Republicans haven't done a damn thing about this other than "gotcha" hearings.

Well, Lindsey Graham did come out and fully support the Verizon records grab. So they have that going for them.

Posted by: Roy at June 06, 2013 08:16 AM (VndSC)

93 Susan Rice believes that the whole thing started after a bunch of low-level IRS staffers watched a Star Trek parody video.
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I'm stealing that..

Posted by: Mike Hammer at June 06, 2013 08:16 AM (aDwsi)

94 These are not the droids you're looking for.

Posted by: Obi One SCOAMFobi at June 06, 2013 08:17 AM (ggRof)

>>>That particular John Dean mix of weaselly connivance, self-serving dishonesty,and craven self-preservation cannot be duplicated in nature.

Don't underestimate the Democrat party.

Posted by: Roy at June 06, 2013 08:17 AM (VndSC)

At a bare minimum, we need prison sentences for IRS employees who participated, and a dissolution of the current IRS.

There is no way we can trust the IRS with our personal data anymore.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at June 06, 2013 08:17 AM (fCkqS)

97 Well, it's crunch time. Do the Republicans stick to their gentlemen's agreement with the Democrats that no liberal ever should be subject to the law in exchange for conservatives to be humorlessly raked over the coals? I think it's time for a Red Wedding event where the GOP breaks this tradition of safe conduct for liberal bad actors and hold them responsible. It will be hard on all involved, especially for the GOP, but I think we need to get a little Roose Bolton up in this bitch.

Posted by: joeindc44 didn't analyze nuthin, just offered his own anecdotal evidence at June 06, 2013 08:17 AM (QxSug)

98 Dude, remember who owned the billboard charts during that time?

The joooos?

Posted by: eleven at June 06, 2013 08:18 AM (KXm42)

99 I counted up how many times you guys said "IRS" in the posts up to this point, and all I can say is "RAAAAACIST!!!!!!".

Posted by: Martin Bashir at June 06, 2013 08:18 AM (dSE0q)

100 Valerie Jarret or Cerberus. Hercules take your pick.

Posted by: at June 06, 2013 12:03 PM (2evqn)

All this is clearly the work of the Umbrella Corp. We're just dealing with a more virulent strain of blood sucking zombies.

Posted by: dananjcon at June 06, 2013 08:18 AM (jvd3N)

101 Haven't seen Minnie Rodent Jarrett since she was spotted vacationing on Mars.

Posted by: Dr. Jane D'oh at June 06, 2013 08:18 AM (lVPtV)

102 Or, rather, I want them (these "low level workers") granted immunity so we can find out who really ordered this- and jail them. Only some of them. There are fewer higher-ups than 'low-level staffers'. Make sure they know if they're not the first to come up with the info, they're doing time.

Posted by: t-bird at June 06, 2013 08:18 AM (FcR7P)

103

76 -

I'm getting tired of the endless parade of witnesses SAYING things. Somebody, at some point, is going to have to produce evidence that can lead to prosecutions or whatever.

I might be inclined to believe the Rs are not just doing this for their own personal, political benefit if and when they start doing that.

Posted by: Zombie Cordell Hull at June 06, 2013 08:18 AM (TOk1P)

104 I've been wondering whether any of these "low-level employees" tried this approach: I'm betting "no." I bet they were all too happy to do it. I think the only reason they came forward now is that they're not getting the protection they thought they were promised. Heck, with this admin, maybe they were promised protection- the promise just met its expiration date.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at June 06, 2013 08:18 AM (/PCJa)

105 63 There is a cancer on the presidency, and this one definitely didn't come from muff diving. Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 06, 2013 12:11 PM (8ZskC) I wouldn't be so sure of that. It coulda happened.

Posted by: Cathy ZJ - like BJ with a Z at June 06, 2013 08:18 AM (GVL0g)

106 This entire Obama Administration is nothing but thugs, bullies, and rats.
Posted by: Fritz
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Aka, The Chicago Way

Posted by: Mike Hammer at June 06, 2013 08:19 AM (aDwsi)

107 I think it's time for a Red Wedding event where the GOP breaks this tradition of safe conduct for liberal bad actors and hold them responsible.

Posted by: joeindc44 didn't analyze nuthin, just offered his own anecdotal evidence at June 06, 2013 12:17 PM (QxSug)

Bang on. This is why we need a special prosecutor and impeachment hearings. It isn't about politics anymore, it is about following the basic rule of law.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at June 06, 2013 08:19 AM (fCkqS)

108 51 The name Carter Hull sounds familiar for some reason. Posted by: rickl at June 06, 2013 12:03 PM (zoehZ) You're probably thinking of Cordell Hull, whowas FDR's Secretary of State and was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize in 1945 for his role in creating the United Nations. I don't know if he and Carter Hull are related. --- Carter Hull sounds a lot like Carter Hall which, IIRC, is the secret identity of Hawkman in DC Comics.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at June 06, 2013 08:19 AM (zA7Zp)

109 My wife is with vz wireless. She said her day is going to be filled with calls to disconnect and waive the fee due to barkies "terror" investigation number log turnover.

Posted by: traye at June 06, 2013 08:19 AM (xdyNY)

110 I counted up how many times you guys said "IRS" in the posts up to this point, and all I can say is "RAAAAACIST!!!!!!".

Posted by: Martin Bashir

RACIST includes IRS. Q.E.D.

Posted by: Roy at June 06, 2013 08:19 AM (VndSC)

111 > Dude, remember who owned the billboard charts during that time? I lived in the country. Plus I was seven. I thought the two kinds of music were country and western, and I was too busy shooting small furry animals with a .22 and fishing to watch TV.

Posted by: Lemmenkainen, Freelance Warlord at June 06, 2013 08:19 AM (ZWvOb)

112 Plausible.... deniability.... I dunno. The denials sound pretty damned implausible to me.

Posted by: AmishDude at June 06, 2013 08:19 AM (T0NGe)

113 64 You forgot kill their men and enjoy their women. So be prepared to get it up for: Moochelle Hillary Ginsburg Wise Latina Kagan Lois Lerner Cruella DeVille Posted by: Waldo ----------------------------- You did not mention the evergreen Helen Thomas Posted by: Mike Hammer at June 06, 2013 12:11 PM (aDwsi) We've got a volunteer! Thanks, Mike.

Posted by: Waldo at June 06, 2013 08:20 AM (dHIHO)

114 I wouldn't be so sure of that. It coulda happened. Posted by: Cathy ZJ - like BJ with a Z
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Great...., time to find the jug of brain bleach

Posted by: Mike Hammer at June 06, 2013 08:20 AM (aDwsi)

115 Defund the IRS.

Put the entire agency on Administrative Leave....Unpaid Administrative Leave, that is. Until we figure out what's going on.

Posted by: Paladin at June 06, 2013 08:20 AM (ycm4Q)

116

Thank you Zombie Cordell Hull, I'll take it from here.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 06, 2013 08:20 AM (TOk1P)

117 >> Yeah- orders to deprive your fellow citizens of their Constitutionally guaranteed rights.

At least one IRS employee quit rather than follow those orders. Put him(her?) in charge of the division. Or the entire IRS.

Then abolish it.

Posted by: GnuBreed at June 06, 2013 08:20 AM (ccXZP)

118 109 My wife is with vz wireless. She said her day is going to be filled with calls to disconnect and waive the fee due to barkies "terror" investigation number log turnover. --- A friend of mine and fellow righty works for them. He seems darkly amused by the number of idiots who had no problems with civil liberties issues until it was their provider turning over call info.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at June 06, 2013 08:20 AM (zA7Zp)

119 We've got a volunteer! Thanks, Mike. Posted by: Waldo
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Sorry. Death Before Dishonor..., and low gag threshold.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at June 06, 2013 08:21 AM (aDwsi)

120 At least one IRS employee quit rather than follow those orders. Put him(her?) in charge of the division. Or the entire IRS. I'm okay with that, too. Or, rather, I'm okay with putting him/her in charge of rebuilding out of the ashes that are left after I've burnt the rest to the ground. I admit that this task will be made more difficult by the ground having been salted.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at June 06, 2013 08:22 AM (/PCJa)

121 Fucking Jew bastards.

Posted by: Hillary! at June 06, 2013 08:22 AM (JQuNB)

122

This entire Obama Administration is nothing but thugs, bullies, and rats.

***

Don't forget perverts.

Posted by: WalrusRex at June 06, 2013 08:22 AM (XUKZU)

123 I'm essentially a front person.

Posted by: Reggie Love at June 06, 2013 08:22 AM (2iU3x)

124 I think I understand why Obama's Ras approval rating went up to 52%. People remember when scandal really started to slam against Clinton (97-99)...these were economically good times, what with the stock market and the Gap commercials.... Even with the scandals (which, as today, were successfully thwarted by the MSM), Clinton's approval rating kept going up, which corresponded to the economic fun times. Of course, Americans are smarter than that, so I'm probably wrong.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at June 06, 2013 08:22 AM (Ec6wH)

125 If Â“IRSÂ” is equivalent to the N-bomb, we should ban them both

Posted by: Dennis Rodman at June 06, 2013 08:23 AM (e8kgV)

126 My wife is with vz wireless. She said her day is going to be filled with calls to disconnect and waive the fee due to barkies "terror" investigation number log turnover. I actually feel sorry for Verizon on this one. It's not like they asked to have their records taken. Not that I wouldn't be one of those calling to disconnect and waive the fee if I were with Verizon.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at June 06, 2013 08:23 AM (/PCJa)

127 Tami Ms Hofacre probably has an email sent to her from one of the off-the-books email accounts telling her to do what she did.

Jack Mehoff I'm sure.

Posted by: Paladin at June 06, 2013 08:23 AM (ycm4Q)

128 73 "I was just following orders from DC." How I love those words. No questions asked. No quibbling about: hey, maybe this order is criminal. Good little soldiers for the advance of Socialism! Posted by: Bronco Bama at June 06, 2013 12:13 PM (hHgxI) Time to dust off the furniture in Nuremburg?

Posted by: JQP at June 06, 2013 08:23 AM (GVL0g)

129

There is a cancer on the presidency, and this one definitely didn't come from muff diving.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 06, 2013 12:11 PM (8ZskC)

People always wonder what will eventually kill them. Now that I know, I don't care. No regrets.

Posted by: troyriser at June 06, 2013 08:23 AM (vtiE6)

130 Only some of them. There are fewer higher-ups than 'low-level staffers'. Make sure they know if they're not the first to come up with the info, they're doing time.

I'd offer a "Dutch auction" style pardon with a time limit:

Full immunity, plus a new identity and WITSEC protection, a nice "retirement" package, new house, passports, etc. Benefits start getting cut the longer they hold out. Once the deal expires, everyone is put up in front of a wall.

Posted by: EC at June 06, 2013 08:24 AM (GQ8sn)

131 He seems darkly amused by the number of idiots who had no problems with civil liberties issues until it was their provider turning over call info. They'll soon be convinced by various editorial staffs that Mommy Obama is just looking out for them.

Posted by: t-bird at June 06, 2013 08:24 AM (FcR7P)

132 If somebody tapped my phone or my phone records they'd be pretty fucking bored.

If someone looked up my bank card record all they would find is I really like alcohol.

Posted by: eleven at June 06, 2013 08:24 AM (KXm42)

133 OT: Tom Emmer announcing he'll run for Michelle Bachmann's seat. From the article: "He was arguably Minnesota's most conservative GOP gubernatorial candidate in decades. He called for sharply reducing state spending and cutting taxes, despite a pending state budget deficit. He was steadfastly anti-abortion, anti-gay marriage and pro-gun rights. He even proposed a constitutional amendment that would require a super-majority of the Legislature to approve any federal law before it takes effect in the state, a position espoused by extreme states' rights advocates. "

Posted by: Lemmenkainen, Freelance Warlord at June 06, 2013 08:24 AM (ZWvOb)

134

Well, Lindsey Graham did come out and fully support the Verizon records grab. So they have that going for them.

***

I thought his comments were funny. He said he was OK with it because he knows he is not speaking to any terrorists. John McCain can't say that.

Posted by: WalrusRex at June 06, 2013 08:24 AM (XUKZU)

135

Not that I wouldn't be one of those calling to disconnect and waive the fee if I were with Verizon.

I've been wondering whether to renew my Verizon contract and upgrade to a smartphone or jump ship to Sprint.

I believe this decision has been made for me.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at June 06, 2013 08:26 AM (0HooB)

136 Treasury is doing its part: Verizon is up 1.86% on a down day on Wall Street.

Posted by: t-bird at June 06, 2013 08:26 AM (FcR7P)

137 I LOVE this Hot Ace of Spades Air website.

It's teh shizznit. Fo shizzle my I.R.issszle.....

Posted by: © Sponge at June 06, 2013 08:26 AM (xmcEQ)

138 IRS Director Wesley Snipes. Has a ring.

Posted by: zsasz at June 06, 2013 08:26 AM (MMC8r)

139 Some low level staffers decided they didn't like the view from under the bus.

Posted by: elizabethe on the phone at June 06, 2013 08:27 AM (qPCAa)

140 Not that I wouldn't be one of those calling to disconnect and waive the fee if I were with Verizon. Guess what I'm doing today? Bingo.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at June 06, 2013 08:27 AM (7ObY1)

141 I've been wondering whether to renew my Verizon contract and upgrade to a smartphone or jump ship to Sprint. Unless you're just slamming the data (via your phone's 4G connection) let me recommend T-Mobile's monthly option. It's cheaper (I pay like 55 - 60/mo after everything) and just as good.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at June 06, 2013 08:27 AM (/PCJa)

142 It's teh shizznit. Fo shizzle my I.R.issszle..... Is that some kind of IRS dialect?

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at June 06, 2013 08:27 AM (7ObY1)

143

127 -

Don't discount the possibility that was the point. The Chicago way includes highly public recalls of Toyotas for non-existent problems.

We know why.

So the question is, who enjoys the favor of our current administration? Most likely AT&T.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 06, 2013 08:28 AM (TOk1P)

144 Treasury is doing its part: Verizon is up 1.86% on a down day on Wall Street.

Expect new highs on Verizon's pending deal to sell your personal data to the Chinese.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 06, 2013 08:28 AM (8ZskC)

145 Unless you're just slamming the data (via your phone's 4G connection) let me recommend T-Mobile's monthly option. It's cheaper (I pay like 55 - 60/mo after everything) and just as good.

Hey, didn't CZJ do some commercials for them?

Posted by: EC at June 06, 2013 08:28 AM (GQ8sn)

146 I hope she has recordings. That is the only thing that saved that gun shop owner the ATF was going to frame for Fast And Furious.

Posted by: Ook? at June 06, 2013 08:28 AM (OQpzc)

147 And the market goes a-swoonin'....I'd love to run a correlation between Emperor Jones' approval rating and the direction of the stock market.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at June 06, 2013 08:29 AM (Ec6wH)

148 He said he was OK with it because he knows he is not speaking to any terrorists. By extension, he'd be ok with all his medical, financial, and email records being rummaged thru in Washington.

Posted by: t-bird at June 06, 2013 08:29 AM (FcR7P)

149 IRS Director Wesley Snipes.

Has a ring.

I'd support Ted Nugent. Discipline would be up to and including a hunting arrow through the skull.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 06, 2013 08:29 AM (8ZskC)

150 Don't discount the possibility that was the point. The Chicago way includes highly public recalls of Toyotas for non-existent problems. Oh, I'm not. I actually thought of that. My two guesses (and they're not actually mutually exclusive) are these: 1- this is more Chicago thuggery. They're using it to hurt Verizon (I'm not sure if they're based here, but they have a huge presence in TX. Which I'm sure is a coincidence). 2- this is a trial balloon. If they could get away with this, they would do it to the other telecom carriers as well.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at June 06, 2013 08:30 AM (/PCJa)

151 Please tell me I'm not the only one who read her name as Horseface.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Mmmm. Blondies with whipped cream. at June 06, 2013 08:30 AM (VtjlW)

152

What should happen at these hearings is after someone rats on whoever "told them to do it", Joe Pesci should come out and say "Now I'm done with this fuckin' guy!"

"Carter Hull told me what to say."

"Now I'm done with this fuckin' broad! My next witness is Carter Hull."

Posted by: alittleenglish at June 06, 2013 08:30 AM (SHZnC)

153 GnuBreed: "At least one IRS employee quit rather than follow those orders. I didn't know that. That's great. "Put him(her?) in charge of the division." Damn right.

Posted by: JPS at June 06, 2013 08:30 AM (g11mv)

154 There is a cancer on the presidency, and this one definitely didn't come from muff diving.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 06, 2013 12:11 PM (8ZskC)

I've heard tell there's a mechanism for getting the same cancer at the other end of the alimentary canal.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at June 06, 2013 08:30 AM (fNpC1)

155 Time to dust off the furniture in Nuremburg? Posted by: JQP
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The gallows. Don't forget the gallows... : http://farm1.static.flickr.com/219/520008593_884eef632d.jpg

Posted by: Mike Hammer at June 06, 2013 08:30 AM (aDwsi)

156 Alas, if only more government workers were like the impeccable Dick Windsor.

Posted by: Fritz at June 06, 2013 08:30 AM (UzPAd)

157 So bureaucrats are not basically artists doing their own thing? Shocker.

Posted by: Beagle at June 06, 2013 08:31 AM (sOtz/)

158

Unless you're just slamming the data (via your phone's 4G connection) let me recommend T-Mobile's monthly option. It's cheaper (I pay like 55 - 60/mo after everything) and just as good.

I have some more research to do, obviously, but from what I can gather from the Verizon site, a data plan would cost me another $40 on top of the nearly $50 I already pay to them, which seems a tad high to me.

I'm open to suggestions and to hear the Horde's experiences, especially down here in FL.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at June 06, 2013 08:31 AM (0HooB)

159 Hey, didn't CZJ do some commercials for them? I think so, a couple years back. The current girl is a hotter Anne Hathawaye look-alike.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at June 06, 2013 08:31 AM (/PCJa)

160 Hey GOP'er what have you done? Hey GOP you're not the only one. Well, it's a nice day for a red wedding.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at June 06, 2013 08:32 AM (7ObY1)

161 Don't worry, I'll get to the bottom of this if it's the last thing I do before writing up my pardon for the president to sign.

Trust me.

Posted by: Eric Holder at June 06, 2013 08:32 AM (ccXZP)

162 I'd support Ted Nugent. Discipline would be up to and including a hunting arrow through the skull.

Shot from a helicopter.

Posted by: EC at June 06, 2013 08:32 AM (GQ8sn)

163 He said he was OK with it because he knows he is not speaking to any terrorists. He assumes they're looking for terrorists. Maybe they're getting the dirt on him for opposition research.

Posted by: zsasz at June 06, 2013 08:32 AM (MMC8r)

164 > this is a trial balloon. If they could get away with this, they would do it to the other telecom carriers as well. Pretty sure it'll come out that all the carriers got the same letter.

Posted by: Lemmenkainen, Freelance Warlord at June 06, 2013 08:32 AM (ZWvOb)

165 Please tell me I'm not the only one who read her name as Horseface.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Mmmm. Blondies with whipped cream. at June 06, 2013 12:30 PM (VtjlW)

You are not alone.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at June 06, 2013 08:32 AM (4df7R)

166 Lindsay Graham knows there are no skeletons in his closet because he spends so much time there.

Posted by: zsasz at June 06, 2013 08:32 AM (MMC8r)

167 AtC, I responded to a post you made about ER care for illegals 2 threads back, didn't want you to overlook it in a dying thread.

Posted by: Weirddave at June 06, 2013 08:33 AM (aH+zP)

168 2- this is a trial balloon. If they could get away with this, they would do it to the other telecom carriers as well. Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at June 06, 2013 12:30 PM (/PCJa) Sorta disagree with number 2 here - I don't think these guys even think in those terms. They just assume they WILL get away with it. Why wouldn't they?

Posted by: JQP at June 06, 2013 08:33 AM (GVL0g)

169 The current girl is a hotter Anne Hathawaye look-alike.

Carly whatshername. Yes she is.

Anne Hathaway was once hot, but not anymore.

Posted by: EC at June 06, 2013 08:33 AM (GQ8sn)

170 I have some more research to do, obviously, but from what I can gather from the Verizon site, a data plan would cost me another $40 on top of the nearly $50 I already pay to them, which seems a tad high to me. I've researched it a lot (albeit, for the DFW metro area), and the Big 3 seem to hit you for about $100 bucks, all told (voice, plus data, plus taxes). The pre-paid carriers ring in between $50 & $60/mo, but their coverage is very limited. T-Mobile has a network that matches (or: nearly matches) that of the Big 3, and I get unlimited voice and data (but only something like 200 MB at 4G speed) for around $60/mo.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at June 06, 2013 08:34 AM (/PCJa)

171 Whistle blowers gonna whistle.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, radicalized Redneck Queen at June 06, 2013 08:34 AM (baL2B)

172

OT but funny: Real life Harry Potter.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGXDKrUoVrw

Posted by: WalrusRex at June 06, 2013 08:34 AM (XUKZU)

173 110 I counted up how many times you guys said "IRS" in the posts up to this point, and all I can say is "RAAAAACIST!!!!!!". Posted by: Martin Bashir RACIST includes IRS. Q.E.D. Posted by: Roy at June 06, 2013 12:19 PM (VndSC) So when I call someone a racist it's the same as calling them a n******? (HEAD EXPLODES)

Posted by: Martin Bashir at June 06, 2013 08:34 AM (dSE0q)

174 They should just cut to the chase and arrest Valerie Jarrett. That's the person behind all of this.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at June 06, 2013 08:34 AM (V1ZIU)

175 Â“I was essentially a front person, because I had no autonomy or no authority to act on [applications] without Carter HullÂ’s influence or input,Â” she said, according to the transcripts.

This is the first time Ms. Hofacre was ever on the giving end of a fingering.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 06, 2013 08:35 AM (8ZskC)

176 Snap! It just came to me.., we can suppress the IRS investigation, and smear the Republicans as racist, by just declaring 'IRS' as code for 'nigg*r'. The media will eat the meme like candy.

Posted by: Martin Bashir at June 06, 2013 08:35 AM (aDwsi)

177 Ted Cruz is calling for killing the IRS. I love that guy.

Posted by: Ook? at June 06, 2013 08:35 AM (OQpzc)

178 I'm now convinced John Boehner has been offed. Why else wouldn't he be on the Capital steps every day calling a news conference- like Peloski did?

Posted by: Hunker down and L.I.B. at June 06, 2013 08:35 AM (Cs2tJ)

179 > I've researched it a lot (albeit, for the DFW metro area), and the Big 3 seem to hit you for about $100 bucks, all told (voice, plus data, plus taxes). Check with them to see if you get a discount due to your employer. Sprint runs me $70 a month for 1500 minutes and unlimited data due to a discount.

Posted by: Lemmenkainen, Freelance Warlord at June 06, 2013 08:35 AM (ZWvOb)

180 So when the hell is Carter Hull going to be questioned.

Posted by: RWC at June 06, 2013 08:36 AM (fWAjv)

181 Anne Hathaway was once hot, but not anymore.

I don't know what it is but she just never did anything for me.

I guess "pretty" and "sexy" are two different things.

Posted by: eleven at June 06, 2013 08:36 AM (KXm42)

182 They should just cut to the chase and arrest Valerie Jarrett. That's the person behind all of this.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at June 06, 2013 12:34 PM (V1ZIU)

You do not arrest Valerie Jarrett. You dump a bucket of water over her head and then run away before anyone discovers the ratfaced puddle of goo.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at June 06, 2013 08:36 AM (4df7R)

183 At least one IRS employee quit rather than follow those orders. THAT's your rogue.

Posted by: t-bird at June 06, 2013 08:36 AM (FcR7P)

184 This is the first time Ms. Hofacre was ever on the giving end of a fingering. Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 06, 2013 12:35 PM (8ZskC) Yah. Sure it is...

Posted by: JQP at June 06, 2013 08:36 AM (GVL0g)

185 178 Ted Cruz is calling for killing the IRS. I love that guy. Posted by: Ook? at June 06, 2013 12:35 PM (OQpzc) I hope he's not the only one.

Posted by: HoboJerky, Hash Hunter at June 06, 2013 08:37 AM (X4HxX)

186 I'm now convinced John Boehner has been offed. Why else wouldn't he be on the Capital steps every day calling a news conference- like Peloski did?

When a bar is installed on the Capitol steps Boehner may start showing up.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 06, 2013 08:37 AM (8ZskC)

187 So when the hell is Carter Hull going to be questioned.

Posted by: RWC at June 06, 2013 12:36 PM (fWAjv)

Can we verify that Carter Hull is in fact a real person, and not another "Richard Windsor?"

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at June 06, 2013 08:37 AM (4df7R)

188 Two men walk into a bar. One says, "What's that hanging out of your butt, love?" Other replies: "I told you not to use names!"

Posted by: Zombie Rodney Dangerfield at June 06, 2013 08:37 AM (DrC22)

189 The media will eat the meme like ~~candy~~ fried chicken. Fixt Check with them to see if you get a discount due to your employer. I don't. My employer's agreement is with T-Mobile, and it's only for "corporate" (that is: sales) employees.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at June 06, 2013 08:37 AM (/PCJa)

190 Anyone remember what had all conservatives in a blood-red rage last week? Anyone?

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at June 06, 2013 08:37 AM (ujux6)

191

Posted by: Hunker down and L.I.B. at June 06, 2013 12:04 PM (Cs2tJ)

It's cute that you think anyone will do jail time over this. Frustrating and make-me-want-to-hang-the-lot-of-them infuriating, but cute.

Here's my prediction: resignations, perhaps losses of pensions. Slaps on the wrists. "Disciplinary action." And the IRS will still be with us. The Dems and Repubs need it to criminalize the TEA Party and the Repubs are too fucking cowardly to blow the monster to bits.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at June 06, 2013 08:37 AM (zF6Iw)

192 Thanks, AllenG. How long can you be online for 200 mb? Or do you even measure it in time?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at June 06, 2013 08:37 AM (0HooB)

193 Maybe they're getting the dirt on him for opposition research.

Posted by: zsasz at June 06, 2013 12:32 PM (MMC8r)

I imagine they already have him sexting McCain. Would explain a lot.

Posted by: Ook? at June 06, 2013 08:37 AM (OQpzc)

194 Ted Cruz is calling for killing the IRS. I love that guy.

He's a guy that I actually feel like is on my side.

Posted by: eleven at June 06, 2013 08:38 AM (KXm42)

195 They should just cut to the chase and arrest Valerie Jarrett. That's the person behind all of this. Posted by: Dack Thrombosis
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You wingnuts crack me up. BTW.., I've been looking at your phone records.

Posted by: Eric Holder at June 06, 2013 08:38 AM (aDwsi)

196 Carter Hull, an IRS attorney. AKA, a punk. AKA one who can be rolled. My bet is this one will squeal like a pig if you cloths pin his ear. Now we are getting some where. Any bad asses here want to call him? Carter Hull (202) 622-8031.

Posted by: filetandrelease at June 06, 2013 08:38 AM (Atrve)

197 Ted Cruz is calling for killing the IRS. I love that guy.
Posted by: Ook? at June 06, 2013 12:35 PM (OQpzc)

And Marco Rubio once insisted on border security. Call me cynical.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 06, 2013 08:38 AM (8ZskC)

198 From Drudge: CIA: "We'll spy on you thru your dishwasher." Juan is so fired when I get home!

Posted by: rickb223 at June 06, 2013 08:38 AM (p9JxP)

199 T-Mobile has a network that matches (or: nearly matches) that of the Big 3, and I get unlimited voice and data (but only something like 200 MB at 4G speed) for around $60/mo. Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at June 06, 2013 12:34 PM (/PCJa) Online, or at walmart, you can do 100 minutes, unlimited text/data for $30 a month. Much better deal.

Posted by: HoboJerky, Hash Hunter at June 06, 2013 08:39 AM (X4HxX)

200

Verizon commercial: Can you hear me now?

Obama campaign slogan: Yes we can.

Posted by: WalrusRex at June 06, 2013 08:39 AM (XUKZU)

201

Bang on. This is why we need a special prosecutor and impeachment hearings. It isn't about politics anymore, it is about following the basic rule of law.

Warming up.

Posted by: Dat ole pardunning pen at June 06, 2013 08:39 AM (ZZQ+Z)

202 How long can you be online for 200 mb? Or do you even measure it in time? I rarely hit my limit. I do most of my "hard" browsing over Wi-fi, which doesn't count against the limit. When I'm out-and-about, I only use the data for email, or some "hey, I wonder about..." searches.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at June 06, 2013 08:39 AM (/PCJa)

203 Wow. That NSA guy testifying is putting out all kinds of body language that says he's a lying weasel.

Posted by: Ook? at June 06, 2013 08:39 AM (OQpzc)

204 Well, it's 5GB at "4g", then 2g after.

Posted by: HoboJerky, Hash Hunter at June 06, 2013 08:39 AM (X4HxX)

205 How can you all be talking about horfaces and not mention ME?

Posted by: SarahJessicaParker at June 06, 2013 08:40 AM (7ObY1)

206

Abolish the IRS!

Anything less is complicity.

Posted by: DaveA at June 06, 2013 08:40 AM (ZZQ+Z)

207 Online, or at walmart, you can do 100 minutes, unlimited text/data for $30 a month. Much better deal. The 100 minutes isn't enough for me. Trust me, I've done the shopping thing. By the time you get to as many minutes as I use, you're pushing $60/mo anyway. May as well take the unlimited + unlimited for the same dollar amount.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at June 06, 2013 08:40 AM (/PCJa)

208 Notwithstanding this Carter Hull person, clearly Lois Lerner was much more involved in directing these actions then previously thought. My assessment, based on facts to date, is that she is a central figure and should land in the pokey.

It's pretty clear why Lerner would not speak to Congress. She was directing a great deal of the intrusions.

Let's see how smug and arrogant works for her in a prison cell. Right next to this Carter Hull dude.

Posted by: Marcus at June 06, 2013 08:41 AM (7iFeq)

209 The IRS agents are falling like sacks of wet cement!!

Posted by: Les Nessman, WKRP in Cincinnatti at June 06, 2013 08:41 AM (Ec6wH)

210 And Marco Rubio once insisted on border security. Call me cynical.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 06, 2013 12:38 PM (8ZskC)

Cynical! Have you ever read his resume?

Go look. He's the real thing.

Posted by: Ook? at June 06, 2013 08:41 AM (OQpzc)

211 Ted Cruz is calling for killing the IRS. I love that guy. Is he alone in that? If there were an opposition party in Washington instead just a Rogue Republican, I'd think they'd all be fighting for the mic. It should be a done deal.

Posted by: t-bird at June 06, 2013 08:41 AM (FcR7P)

212 Well, it's 5GB at "4g", then 2g after.

After 10 GB, we send a pigeon with a note.

Posted by: T-Mobile at June 06, 2013 08:41 AM (8ZskC)

213 Anne Hathaway was once hot, but not anymore.

I don't know what it is but she just never did anything for me.

I guess "pretty" and "sexy" are two different things.

Posted by: eleven at June 06, 2013 12:36 PM (KXm42)

I remember noticing her when the Princess Diaries came out. She was hot back then, but now she looks sick.

Posted by: EC at June 06, 2013 08:41 AM (GQ8sn)

214 Can we verify that Carter Hull is in fact a real person, and not another "Richard Windsor?" Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at June 06, 2013 12:37 PM (4df7R) Yes. http://tinyurl.com/kapsy75 Last night, the Wall Street Journal reported on transcripts of congressional interviews with IRS employees. In them, the name "Carter Hull" -- an IRS lawyer in Washington -- surfaces as someone in DC who oversaw the targeting in Ohio and even suggested some of the questions used to harass conservative groups applying for tax-exempt status. Here is a technical instruction document Hull co-authored, and his name appears as the author of articles and e-books on tax matters. Here is his Facebook page. He is a graduate of a private Quaker school -- and I would guess from his age and his attendance at a private boarding/day school that he attended boarding school back in an era when that experience was largely reserved for young people from fairly affluent circumstances. This is also a person obviously of some experience and knowledge with the tax law, who would have clearly known the targeting operation was wrong.

Posted by: RWC at June 06, 2013 08:42 AM (fWAjv)

215 Well, it's 5GB at "4g", then 2g after. I think T-Mobile may have upped their limit to 500mb @4G, and 2G speeds thereafter. Again, I rarely even hit 200mb on my phone.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at June 06, 2013 08:42 AM (/PCJa)

216

The Clear Lake Tea Party of Texas publicly complained about an IRS employee cited in IssaÂ’s letter, Elizabeth Hofacre, who handled the groupÂ’s application. Hofacre could not be reached for comment.

Mary Huls, president of the Clear Lake Tea Party in Texas, told Reuters her group received a letter from Hofacre in which the IRS requested answers to 19 additional questions.

HofacreÂ’s letter shows that the group was asked for a list of speakers and their qualifications for events, resumes for each board member, a list of questions the group asked political candidates at so-called job interviews and a list of who was invited to those events.

Â“They were personal and they didnÂ’t seem to have too much bearing on whether or not we could be tax exempt,Â” Huls said.

The group stopped the process Â“because then we thought that we would lose our rights of free speech,Â” Huls said.

http://tinyurl.com/m6hxzyw (oneamericanews.com)

Posted by: LC LaWedgie at June 06, 2013 08:42 AM (krHnX)

217 Online, or at walmart, you can do 100 minutes, unlimited text/data for $30 a month. Much better deal. Ah, the so-called drug-dealer phones, the prepper's best friend. I use 'em myself. Only drawback is you can't call 9-1-1 from them, but with ol' Glockie by my side, who cares? But I have to admit it's hard to believe Big Government hasn't outlawed them yet. But they will, count on it. If the government can't control something, they ban it.

Posted by: SarahJessicaParker at June 06, 2013 08:42 AM (7ObY1)

218 Trust me, I've done the shopping thing. By the time you get to as many minutes as I use, you're pushing $60/mo anyway. May as well take the unlimited + unlimited for the same dollar amount. Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at June 06, 2013 12:40 PM (/PCJa) I guess that makes sense, but for long calls I use Google's voice service for free minutes on my phone.

Posted by: HoboJerky, Hash Hunter at June 06, 2013 08:42 AM (X4HxX)

219 197 Carter Hull, an IRS attorney. AKA, a punk. AKA one who can be rolled. My bet is this one will squeal like a pig if you cloths pin his ear. Now we are getting some where. ---- Having GrandKids tends to make some more agreeable.

Posted by: RWC at June 06, 2013 08:43 AM (fWAjv)

220 Posted by: SarahJessicaParker at June 06, 2013 12:42 PM (7ObY1) It's monthly, not a burner. Kept my phone and number.

Posted by: HoboJerky, Hash Hunter at June 06, 2013 08:43 AM (X4HxX)

221 And I don't buy the Alfred E. Neumann act of these "low-level" employees. They knew what was going on and still carried it out unmitigated. The entire bunch from top to bottom need to be wearing prison stripes together.

Posted by: Marcus at June 06, 2013 08:43 AM (7iFeq)

222 Wait. Sarah Jessica Parker carries a Glock?

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 06, 2013 08:43 AM (8ZskC)

223 I'm sure Carter Hull woke up this morning to about a zillion voicemails, emails and text messages and wondered what the hell was going on.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at June 06, 2013 08:44 AM (4df7R)

224 Can we verify that Carter Hull is in fact a real person, and not another "Richard Windsor?" IRS Phone Directory: IRC 441 to 565 Â– SmartPros Accountingaccounting.smartpros.com/x5735.xml‎IRS Code and Subject Telephone Directory IRC Code Â§ 441 to 565 (Accounting, Â….. E:EO:R:4 Carter Hull (202) 622-8031. E:EO Robert Fontenrose (202) 622- Â… MORE ON HULL: IRC 501 (c)(4) Organizations Â– Internal Revenue Servicewww.irs.gov/pub/irs-tege/eotopici03.pdf‎By John Francis Reilly, Carter C. Hull, and Barbara A. Braig Allen. Overview. Purpose. This article discusses issues relating to the tax-exempt status under IRC Â…

Posted by: filetandrelease at June 06, 2013 08:44 AM (Atrve)

225 The Chicago way includes highly public recalls of Toyotas for non-existent problems.

Chicago thuggery gets results. Ask Lisa Jackson.

Posted by: Ian S. at June 06, 2013 08:44 AM (B/VB5)

226 The Fifth District Court of Appeal today ruled that Benjamin Crump, an attorney for Trayvon MartinÂ’s family, must sit down and answer questions under oath by George ZimmermanÂ’s attorneys.

In the just-released ruling, the court wrote that ZimmermanÂ’s lawyers have a right to question Crump about his dealings with a woman whoÂ’s expected to be the stateÂ’s most important witness.

SheÂ’s a young Miami woman who was on the phone with Trayvon moments before he was shot.

ZimmermanÂ’s attorneys had twice asked trial judge Debra S. Nelson to order Crump to sit down for a deposition, and twice she said no.

So defense attorneys went over her head, filing a writ with the Fifth District Court of Appeal in Daytona Beach.

It returned a unanimous five-page ruling this afternoon in ZimmermanÂ’s favor.

Posted by: Bill Maher at June 06, 2013 08:44 AM (e8kgV)

227 Is he alone in that? If there were an opposition party in Washington instead just a Rogue Republican, I'd think they'd all be fighting for the mic. It should be a done deal.

Posted by: t-bird at June 06, 2013 12:41 PM (FcR7P)

He's not alone. He has me, and the rest of the state of Texas backing his play.

Posted by: Ook? at June 06, 2013 08:44 AM (OQpzc)

228 Wait. Sarah Jessica Parker carries a Glock? Her rider does.

Posted by: t-bird at June 06, 2013 08:44 AM (FcR7P)

229 I guess that makes sense, but for long calls I use Google's voice service for free minutes on my phone. You have the "free calls to X numbers" thing, don't you? Posted by: LC LaWedgie at June 06, 2013 12:42 PM (krHnX) I'm sure they'll be pooh-pooh'd as paranoid Reichwingers any moment now.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at June 06, 2013 08:44 AM (/PCJa)

230 My wife's phone is grandfathered in to an AT&T account with unlimited free data. Me? I get 200M a month which I keep turned off-- left it on once and all my apps updated and burned through that 200M in a couple of days. Now I just use data when I'm out looking for an address or for GPS.

Posted by: zsasz at June 06, 2013 08:44 AM (MMC8r)

231 Anne Hathaway was once hot, but not anymore. I beg thy pardon, but pray thee, why art thou discussing my wife's attractiveness? Methinks Anne was quite the, as you would say, "hottie" in her day, but her day was the late 16th century. Thou shalt hang by thy own petard for such foolery.

Posted by: William Shakespeare at June 06, 2013 08:45 AM (7ObY1)

232

209 -

And a month ago, none of heard of Lois Lerner. Two days ago, none of us heard of Carter Hull.

So this is their strategy. It's an onion. While you're busy peeling off layers, the White House sits there knowing full well you'll never reach them in the center.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 06, 2013 08:45 AM (TOk1P)

233 161 Hey GOP'er what have you done? Hey GOP you're not the only one. Well, it's a nice day for a red wedding. ******* Can we get Gowdy to be Walden Frey?

Posted by: joeindc44 didn't analyze nuthin, just offered his own anecdotal evidence at June 06, 2013 08:46 AM (QxSug)

234 223 Wait. Sarah Jessica Parker carries a Glock? No, but I carried a SOCK. Off, sock!

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at June 06, 2013 08:46 AM (7ObY1)

235 Limbaugh playing Reagan's 1984 D-Day address. I wonder what The Barker will have to say today?

Posted by: Mike Hammer at June 06, 2013 08:46 AM (aDwsi)

236 Carter Hall apparently has a Facebook page.

Posted by: zsasz at June 06, 2013 08:46 AM (MMC8r)

237 Washington running the whole show. What a surprise. Maybe if we had a real news media that might just look into and find that Barry was behind all of it

Posted by: TheQuietMan at June 06, 2013 08:47 AM (1Jaio)

238 Your modern ways confuse and frighten me.

Posted by: eleven at June 06, 2013 08:47 AM (KXm42)

239 The Fifth District Court of Appeal today ruled that Benjamin Crump, an attorney for Trayvon MartinÂ’s family, must sit down and answer questions under oath by George ZimmermanÂ’s attorneys. Something tells me things are unravelling for the prosecution.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at June 06, 2013 08:47 AM (/PCJa)

240 Like rats off a sinking ship.. this should be fun!

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at June 06, 2013 08:47 AM (f9c2L)

241 So this is their strategy. It's an onion. While you're busy peeling off layers, the White House sits there knowing full well you'll never reach them in the center. Posted by: BurtTC
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All the while rewarding the quislings with promotions and bonuses.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at June 06, 2013 08:48 AM (aDwsi)

242 Bring all the IRS agents in for a big dinner and have them do a little Robb Stark pro forma grovelling and have Gowdy go sure sure, golf clap, "of course, I would've done the same if I were you, broke a 100 laws to get at opposing groups. Well that's all done now, let's have a $12 million IRS group retreat." And then lock the doors, bring in the federal marshals, and do the worst thing possible you could do to a public sector union thug...tear up their pensions, IN FRONT OF THEIR MOMS!!!!!!!! and then send them to jail.

Posted by: joeindc44 didn't analyze nuthin, just offered his own anecdotal evidence at June 06, 2013 08:48 AM (QxSug)

243 So this is their strategy. It's an onion. While you're busy peeling off layers, the White House sits there knowing full I have a couple of nice ceramic knives in the kitchen drawer at home...

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at June 06, 2013 08:48 AM (/PCJa)

244 "I was just following orders", sound better in the original German, with the appropriate undertones of shame and fear.

Posted by: Jean at June 06, 2013 08:49 AM (CMlD4)

245 The Fifth District Court of Appeal today ruled that Benjamin Crump, an attorney for Trayvon MartinÂ’s family, must sit down and answer questions under oath by George ZimmermanÂ’s attorneys.
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That ought to be interesting.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at June 06, 2013 08:49 AM (aDwsi)

246 The onion peeling business is fine with me. Let em sweat.

Posted by: eleven at June 06, 2013 08:49 AM (KXm42)

247

I'm now convinced John Boehner has been offed. Why else wouldn't he be on the Capital steps every day calling a news conference- like Peloski did?

Posted by: Hunker down and L.I.B. at June 06, 2013 12:35 PM (Cs2tJ)

He probably can't find his binky.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at June 06, 2013 08:49 AM (zF6Iw)

248 I used to wear an onion on my belt, as was the fashion at the time.

Posted by: Grandpa Simpson at June 06, 2013 08:50 AM (Ec6wH)

249 The onion peeling business is fine with me. Let em sweat.

I feel a good long cry coming on.

Posted by: John Boehner at June 06, 2013 08:50 AM (8ZskC)

250 NSA's Verizon Spying Order Specifically Targeted Americans, Not Foreigners

I've said it before I'll say it again. They were going after Tea Party/conservatives with this. Barry's regime is in full attack mode against any and all opposition and his majesty is using all powers available to him

Posted by: TheQuietMan at June 06, 2013 08:50 AM (1Jaio)

251

So be prepared to get it up for:

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This would be a perfect moment to discover that you are actually a woman. A heterosexual one.

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at June 06, 2013 08:50 AM (SO2Q8)

252 "I was just following orders", sound better in the original German, with the appropriate undertones of shame and fear. I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought that. I think every time someone uses any version of that excuse, the immediate response should be, "And have you, by any chance, ever heard of the Nuremberg Trials?"

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at June 06, 2013 08:50 AM (/PCJa)

253 >> Wait. Sarah Jessica Parker carries a Glock?

It's concealed carry -- in her saddlebags.

Posted by: GnuBreed at June 06, 2013 08:51 AM (ccXZP)

254 I'm sure they'll be pooh-pooh'd as paranoid Reichwingers any moment now. Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at June 06, 2013 12:44 PM

The glorious result of good governance research, no doubt... like when the VA had a banner hanging from the ceiling of their claims department, "Home of the Claims Busters."

Posted by: LC LaWedgie at June 06, 2013 08:51 AM (krHnX)

255 IRS has a sessions at their Anaheim conference called "Making telecommuting work" and a 'Tolerance' session.

Posted by: Tami[/i][/b][/u][/s] at June 06, 2013 08:51 AM (X6akg)

256 Washington running the whole show. What a surprise. Maybe if we had a real news media that might just look into and find that Barry was behind all of it
Posted by: TheQuietMan
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Yeah, but he has sharp creases in his trousers..., and he trying really hard.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at June 06, 2013 08:51 AM (aDwsi)

257 Homer: Well, yes, yes, to the untrained eye, I'm eating an orange, not to the eye that has brains; I'm making a point about impeachment! For you see, impeachment is a lot like an orange. First, you have the skin...then the sweet, sweet innards... (devours it) the onion talk reminds me of homer

Posted by: joeindc44 didn't analyze nuthin, just offered his own anecdotal evidence at June 06, 2013 08:51 AM (QxSug)

258 Nood up. Gun thread!

Posted by: rickb223 at June 06, 2013 08:52 AM (p9JxP)

259

the White House sits there knowing full well you'll never reach them in the center.

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You have to look 'LEFT' of center in this red onion

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at June 06, 2013 08:52 AM (/eTPT)

260 TFG makes Nixon look like Snuggle the fabric softener bear.

Posted by: zsasz at June 06, 2013 08:52 AM (MMC8r)

261 256 IRS has a sessions at their Anaheim conference called "Making telecommuting work"
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You could not make this shit up..., it transcends anything a rational person could believe.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at June 06, 2013 08:53 AM (aDwsi)

262 My fat-ass sister in law works for the IRS and attended that Anaheim conference...lets say that it was the type of opulence expected by the Government Class.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at June 06, 2013 08:53 AM (Ec6wH)

263 NSA's Verizon Spying Order Specifically Targeted Americans, Not Foreigners O_O o_O O_o o_o *_* !!!!! So, I'm probably eating out for dinner tonight- but last night's tilapia experiment worked out fairly nicely. I need to modify how I use the garlic, though. I either need to go ahead and roast it (so it's crunchy) or use garlic powder or garlic oil instead of minced garlic. The texture didn't quite work. Otherwise? It was great.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at June 06, 2013 08:53 AM (/PCJa)

264 He probably can't find his binky.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at June 06, 2013 12:49 PM (zF6Iw)

Or his shot glasses

Posted by: Marybeth at June 06, 2013 08:55 AM (Ks0w4)

265 Noopost stomping

Posted by: Eric Holder at June 06, 2013 08:57 AM (8ZskC)

266 Boehner is letting the different committee chairs and good questioners speak for us, and may I say they are doing a pretty good job.

I don't want to see Boehner until he decides that it's time for a Select Committee, and it's not time for that yet.

Plus, since him acting like Pelosi did is what the dems would expect, I would like to think his invisibility makes them nervous.

Posted by: Miss Marple at June 06, 2013 09:13 AM (GoIUi)

267 Has Carter Hull been named as a defendant in any of the Tea Party civil rights cases? If not, why not

Posted by: Your GOP at June 06, 2013 09:13 AM (hKyl0)

268 The entire Democratic Party is a criminal organization. Anyone one who doesn't see this, after all that's gone on is either retarded or is a part of the scam. Period.

Posted by: LGoPs at June 06, 2013 09:14 AM (Zid/C)

269 Carter Hull, an IRS lawyer in Washington, closely oversaw her work and suggested some of the questions asked applicants. Â“I was essentially a front person, because I had no autonomy or no authority to act on [applications] without Carter HullÂ’s influence or input,Â” I hate it when that happens.

Posted by: Overzealous low level employee in Cincinnati at June 06, 2013 09:44 AM (Ohwkv)

270 This is so nuts. I mean, listen - listen to what you're saying. It's paranoid delusion. How - It's really sad. It's pathetic.

Posted by: Carter Hull J. Burke at June 06, 2013 11:10 AM (fscec)

271 So, now, if I went and made a major security situation out of it, everybody steps in; Administration steps in, and there's no exclusive rights for anybody, nobody wins! So I made a decision, and it was... wrong. It was a bad call, Ripley. It was a bad call.

Posted by: Carter Hull J. Burke at June 06, 2013 11:12 AM (fscec)

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