August 21, 2013
— DrewM Amnesty is like the main character in a horror movie franchise. Every time you think it's dead there's someone who thinks they can squeeze a few more dollars out of another sequel and back it comes.
Still, there's growing feeling on the left and right that this round is over.
Conservative talk radio may not have killed amnesty this time around, but it definitely helped liberals realize theyÂ’ve already lost.On Tuesday, House Judiciary Chairman Bob Goodlatte, R-Va., said the following to conservative talk show host Hugh Hewitt:
In my opinion if you, after you have the borders secure and these enforcement mechanisms in place. If you were to do something, I would start first of all with children who were brought here illegally by their parents. TheyÂ’ve grown up here. TheyÂ’ve been educated here. They are ready to face the world and they have no documents. I think thereÂ’s a more compelling argument to be made for them. But, even for them, I would say that they get a legal status in the United States and not a pathway to citizenship that is created especially for them.
Follow the link and you'll see a number of liberal writers linked to who are realizing that the game is up this time.
Here's a taste of Josh Marhsall's take from TPM.
I get that it’s difficult for immigration reformers to see and accept the writing on the wall — that reform is likely dead in this Congress. … But pretending this isn’t the case is actually damaging the prospects of reform.It makes all the tactical and strategic sense in the world to take this out of the confusing arcana of Washington’s intentionally obfuscating procedural maze and put it back into the political realm where it belongs. In other words, stop pretending that the GOP House’s hardening resolve to kill the Senate bill is going to change and take this whole question back to the people looking forward to the 2014 election.
Now, the GOP may still find a way to give into it's suicidal fascination with amnesty but preventing a quick vote in the House before the August recess was vitally important. When they come back it's going to be all about ObamaCare, the debt ceiling and the Continuing Resolution. The GOP is on the defensive with a good part of their base on those issues and what can be delivered. It really would be a suicide run to top off what will likely be unsatisfying endings on those issues with amnesty.
If amnesty dies it will be interesting to see how it plays out with the 2016 field. You'd have to think the pro-amnesty types are going to have to do some major re calibration of their positions. This would mark the 4th time the GOP base has stood firm on amnesty (2007, pushing McCain and Romney to the right in 08/12). Being to the left of the base on this creates a major hurdle to overcome for the Rubio and Ryans of the world.
So it's not dead, it may not even be resting but there are some hopeful signs. That of course means it's not time to let up but to double the pain. Go to town halls, write letters and keep the pressure on. Only an idiot would keep pushing amnesty at this point but they don't call the GOP "The Stupid Party" for nothing.
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Posted by: t-bird at August 21, 2013 05:32 AM (FcR7P)
Posted by: RoyalOil at August 21, 2013 05:32 AM (VjL9S)
Maybe this is what I'll ask my Congressthing about this afternoon, if I can bail out of work early for his town hall meeting (which is actually at the town hall).
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at August 21, 2013 05:32 AM (/kI1Q)
What's depressing is that the GOP leadership won't have been against it because it's a lousy thing, but instead because they would have lost an election.
Posted by: @JohnTant at August 21, 2013 05:35 AM (tVWQB)
Posted by: jjo at August 21, 2013 05:36 AM (gWO5X)
Only an idiot would keep pushing amnesty at this point but they don't call the GOP "The Stupid Party" for nothing.
I accept your challenge sir! Going full retard is my specialty.
Posted by: Teh Geee Ohhh Peee at August 21, 2013 05:38 AM (BrQrN)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 21, 2013 05:39 AM (9Xc5j)
Posted by: phoenixgirl @phxazgrl i support the rodeo clown at August 21, 2013 05:39 AM (8JJ6O)
Posted by: The littl shyning man at August 21, 2013 05:40 AM (PH+2B)
Posted by: Bigby's Gripping Hand at August 21, 2013 05:41 AM (3ZtZW)
Posted by: David at August 21, 2013 05:42 AM (UtRhK)
It never dies
It never sleeps
It never gives up.
It just constantly pounds away at the supporting structures of civilization.
Most people look at the Grand Canyon, and see magnificent scenery.
I see what the effects of what water, over time can do to rock..
And I think "liberalism", is there nothing it can't wear down over time.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at August 21, 2013 05:42 AM (SfGRU)
Posted by: Lizzy at August 21, 2013 05:42 AM (UrtRh)
A Republican Dreamact and tossing out work visas like strip club fliers is amnesty, cause everybody gets to stay until the new Democratic House next year allows full-up Amnesty to speed through.
DC is telling you you won, when you really lost. It's like the car salesman telling saying you got a great deal. That means you just got taken.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at August 21, 2013 05:43 AM (kdS6q)
Posted by: Austin in TX at August 21, 2013 05:43 AM (lKVc4)
Posted by: Ensign Border Fence at August 21, 2013 05:44 AM (BrQrN)
Posted by: Bigby's Gripping Hand at August 21, 2013 05:44 AM (3ZtZW)
Until they pull the political sheet over the elective career bodies of Choom Boy (a/k/a Mr Executive Order), Reid, Pelosi, Bitch McConnell, Rubio, McCain, Graham and the rest of the "we need Sensible Immigration Reform" brigade, this sore will continue to fester, no matter what rags like the WaEx say.
I see this as a Squirrels and Shiny Stuff distraction like Weiner and Filner. We'll all be celebrating the demise of amnesty while Our Betters wrap it in a different cloak and slide it through.
The apologists and enablers of the screwed-up right disgust me almost as much as the dream-stupefied loons of the left. We should know better, but we don't.
Posted by: MrScribbler at August 21, 2013 05:45 AM (kaGpp)
"Hey guys, where did Enforcing the Border go? Anybody know?"
"Man, you're all about Enforcing the Border. You got the hots for her?"
"Oh, c'mon dude"
Posted by: Bigby's Gripping Hand at August 21, 2013 05:47 AM (3ZtZW)
Posted by: Ensign Border Fence at August 21, 2013 05:48 AM (BrQrN)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at August 21, 2013 05:48 AM (XIxXP)
"OK, you want amnesty? Tell you what; first we reinforce the border and protect this country from invaders. Then we enforce the laws that are on the books. Once both of those are handled as separate issues then maybe we promise to think about amnesty for five minutes on some randomly chosen Tuesday."
Posted by: NR Pax at August 21, 2013 05:48 AM (U+O64)
Troy Industries hires anti-gun, cowardly political hack Jody Weis as an instructor
http://tinyurl.com/m34fx3p
Are they trying to go out of business?
Posted by: Joethefatman™ (@joethefatman1) at August 21, 2013 05:52 AM (MnSla)
Posted by: David at August 21, 2013 05:52 AM (UtRhK)
Posted by: Bigby's Gripping Hand at August 21, 2013 05:54 AM (3ZtZW)
Posted by: Roy at August 21, 2013 05:55 AM (VndSC)
MagPul hiring Mark Kelly and Gabby Giffords!
Posted by: EC at August 21, 2013 05:55 AM (GQ8sn)
Posted by: Roy at August 21, 2013 05:56 AM (VndSC)
Posted by: Navycopjoe at August 21, 2013 05:57 AM (Rc23U)
Posted by: Roy at August 21, 2013 05:58 AM (VndSC)
Posted by: Flyguy at August 21, 2013 05:58 AM (kZyv8)
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at August 21, 2013 05:58 AM (HDgX3)
Posted by: Lizzy at August 21, 2013 05:59 AM (UrtRh)
Posted by: pookysgirl at August 21, 2013 06:00 AM (kMnHs)
>>>>It may not happen in 2013 or 2015 or 2025, but at some point full amnesty for every illegal will happen.
No problem. By the time it is ready to happen, we'll have run out of money for FREE SHIT, and they'll just move up north to Canada.
Posted by: Roy at August 21, 2013 06:01 AM (VndSC)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 21, 2013 06:01 AM (9Xc5j)
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at August 21, 2013 06:01 AM (HDgX3)
Posted by: Fritz at August 21, 2013 06:01 AM (UzPAd)
Posted by: soothsayer at August 21, 2013 06:01 AM (NkM6s)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at August 21, 2013 06:01 AM (XIxXP)
Posted by: buzzion at August 21, 2013 06:01 AM (LI48c)
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at August 21, 2013 06:02 AM (HDgX3)
Oh yeah, amnesty is JUST WHAT THE US NEEDS NOW.
Give me a fucking break with this horseshit.
And now with the Egyptian Army willing to clean house on the MB we need to reign them in?
These stupid pricks in the GOP siding with Jugears need a rotten tomato parade ASAP.
Posted by: ontherocks at August 21, 2013 06:02 AM (l0HgK)
Captain, after a full analysis of the relevant laws and proposed legislation, I predict with 52% certainty that supporting amnesty will result in a 1.2% increase in House seats, and a 2.3% increase in the Senate.
We'll take Vulcan and the asteroid settlements, but certainly lose Earth.
Posted by: Commander National Review at August 21, 2013 06:03 AM (BrQrN)
For a different view of this "We're totes winning, guys!" argument:
Anti-immigration-reformÂ’s laid-back summer
Politico
https://tinyurl.com/mjcpn5u
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at August 21, 2013 06:03 AM (kdS6q)
"Only an idiot would keep pushing amnesty at this point but they don't call the GOP "The Stupid Party" for nothing.
I think it is the isolation and insulation provided by being in D.C. so much. all of the people they hear and interact with are talking about how wonderful and necessary an amnesty must be that the inhabitants forget that there is another, larger world out there with a differing opinion. And when they hear that differing opinion they get offended, wondering how someone could have a different opinion from that of the very smart people they interact with and hear everyday. It would be wiser for them to get out of this little provincial town they are in more often and see the wiser world, but you know how hard it is to do that.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Buy Spleen! Now with Oxidizers! at August 21, 2013 06:03 AM (hLRSq)
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at August 21, 2013 06:03 AM (/Crba)
Posted by: David at August 21, 2013 09:42 AM (UtRhK)
Sanford is my rep, too. I could have sworn that, shortly after his election to the house, he was babbling about supporting "a path to citizenship" for illegal migrants or some such shit. It would shock me if a representative would actually change his mind based upon the demands of his constituents. More likely, he's playing word games. Time will tell, I suppose.
Posted by: Sandra Fluke's solid gold diaphragm at August 21, 2013 06:04 AM (TCWb5)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at August 21, 2013 06:04 AM (XIxXP)
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at August 21, 2013 06:04 AM (/Crba)
Yeah, I feel ya....
Posted by: Tex Lovera at August 21, 2013 06:05 AM (wtvvX)
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at August 21, 2013 06:05 AM (HDgX3)
I cannot be the thought police for every issue. Furthermore, we don't really know what any of them think - only what they say.
Posted by: Miss Marple at August 21, 2013 06:05 AM (GoIUi)
I think we should render him to Astan and deliver him to the families of some of our friends whom he outed.
Posted by: George W Bush! at August 21, 2013 06:08 AM (CMlD4)
Posted by: Lizzy at August 21, 2013 06:08 AM (UrtRh)
Posted by: David at August 21, 2013 06:08 AM (UtRhK)
Posted by: phoenixgirl @phxazgrl i support the rodeo clown at August 21, 2013 09:39 AM (8JJ6O)
-- Me neither, WTF is that shit?
Posted by: Velvet Ambition at August 21, 2013 06:09 AM (R8hU8)
Posted by: Gran'ma Liberty at August 21, 2013 06:10 AM (svF17)
Posted by: The Norweigan Fir at August 21, 2013 06:11 AM (XaDvF)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at August 21, 2013 06:11 AM (XIxXP)
Probably one of Ace's lifts from Tepid Air where Poppin' Fresh yammers on about "optics" and how his pals "teh Generalissimo" and Jizz Shaw have deduced (from reading other blogs) that it doesn't have a chance. Because Tim Pawlenty!!11
Nothing hateful, discriminatory (against The Man) or good for terrorists and the Free Shit Army ever dies in the Age of Choom.
Posted by: MrScribbler at August 21, 2013 06:11 AM (kaGpp)
The first rule of Premium Membership?
Don't talk about Premium Membership.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at August 21, 2013 06:13 AM (SfGRU)
" I would start first of all with children who were brought here illegally by their parents. TheyÂ’ve grown up here. TheyÂ’ve been educated here. They are ready to face the world and they have no documents. I think thereÂ’s a more compelling argument to be made for them. But, even for them, I would say that they get a legal status in the United States and not a pathway to citizenship that is created especially for them."
Goodlatte was speaking in English, so let me translate...
It's the position of the GOP that a new category of "permanent resident" status be created for (beginning with) children who were brought here by their illegal parents. No new pathway for citizenship will be created especially for them, but there already a number of ways they can eventually get there.
This is what people have been calling "amnesty".
This is a defensible position for the GOP and one most reasonable people will accept.
This is the position most elected officials on the right will take when idiots stand up in townhall meetings yelling that we should "enforce the law" and kick in doors throughout the country, deporting every illegal regardless of circumstances.
Posted by: jwest at August 21, 2013 06:14 AM (u2a4R)
Posted by: Wendy at August 21, 2013 06:15 AM (KydDZ)
Posted by: Smokey Bear at August 21, 2013 06:15 AM (GhSTE)
Posted by: All the pretty girls at Wendy's at August 21, 2013 06:16 AM (rCS6C)
This is the position most elected officials on the right will take when idiots stand up in townhall meetings yelling that we should "enforce the law" and kick in doors throughout the country, deporting every illegal regardless of circumstances.
Posted by: jwest at August 21, 2013 10:14 AM (u2a4R)
-- And your point is?
Posted by: Velvet Ambition at August 21, 2013 06:17 AM (R8hU8)
Posted by: Velvet Ambition at August 21, 2013 10:17 AM (R8hU
On the top of his head.
Posted by: buzzion at August 21, 2013 06:18 AM (LI48c)
Start with the violent felon illegals, deport them, now. The appellate process should start with a form, to be personally attested to at a US consulate abroad.
Posted by: Jean at August 21, 2013 06:18 AM (CMlD4)
Posted by: David at August 21, 2013 06:19 AM (UtRhK)
>>This is the position most elected officials on the right will take when idiots stand up in townhall meetings yelling that we should "enforce the law" and kick in doors throughout the country, deporting every illegal regardless of circumstances.
It's easier to tell that one guy to just STFU and sit down.
Posted by: Roy at August 21, 2013 06:19 AM (VndSC)
Poppin' Fresh yammers on .... that it doesn't have a chance.
Posted by: MrScribbler
Why not celebrate our triumphal victory with Duane “Generalissimo” Patterson and me on a seven-day cruise to Alaska?
Posted by: Ed Morrissey
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at August 21, 2013 06:19 AM (kdS6q)
Posted by: alexthechick - Commence drinking now. at August 21, 2013 06:19 AM (VtjlW)
Who says there is no good news anymore? Which raises the following questions:
1) If we can stop amnesty under Comrade Barky, why couldnÂ’t we stop it under a President Killery or President Crazy Joe?
2) WouldnÂ’t we be safer from amnesty under a Dem president than under a President Jeb or President Krispy-Kreme?
Posted by: Steve in Greensboro at August 21, 2013 06:19 AM (sugnf)
Posted by: Bigby's Gripping Hand at August 21, 2013 06:19 AM (3ZtZW)
Posted by: Lizzy at August 21, 2013 06:19 AM (UrtRh)
Posted by: joncelli at August 21, 2013 06:20 AM (RD7QR)
Amnesty is like the main character in a horror movie franchise. Every time you think it's dead there's someone who thinks they can squeeze a few more dollars out of another sequel and back it comes.
Still, there's growing feeling on the left and right that this round is over.
You know who this benefits?
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at August 21, 2013 06:20 AM (zF6Iw)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 21, 2013 06:21 AM (9Xc5j)
>>>Why give up their pseudo-citizenship plus status where they get all the benefits of citizenship while retaining special treatment.
It's called Premium Membership.
Posted by: Roy at August 21, 2013 06:21 AM (VndSC)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at August 21, 2013 06:22 AM (XIxXP)
Posted by: I have MS-NBC for that at August 21, 2013 06:22 AM (sq9q3)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at August 21, 2013 09:48 AM (XIxXP)
Hey, OSP, I just sent you an e-mail with attachments.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at August 21, 2013 06:22 AM (zF6Iw)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at August 21, 2013 06:22 AM (XIxXP)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at August 21, 2013 06:23 AM (XIxXP)
35 years?
I can live with that. What's the story on parole in these types of cases? How much of that time is he going to have to serve?
Posted by: BurtTC at August 21, 2013 06:23 AM (TOk1P)
Posted by: Captain Hate on an iPhone at August 21, 2013 06:24 AM (NNBUe)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 21, 2013 06:25 AM (9Xc5j)
Posted by: David at August 21, 2013 06:25 AM (UtRhK)
Posted by: BCochran1981 at August 21, 2013 06:25 AM (da5Wo)
Posted by: I have MS-NBC for that at August 21, 2013 10:22 AM (sq9q3)
Its autoplaying audio from the video in the truck thread yesterday. A coblogger should really remove the embed.
Posted by: buzzion at August 21, 2013 06:25 AM (LI48c)
Posted by: Ammo Dump at August 21, 2013 06:26 AM (GgPam)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at August 21, 2013 06:26 AM (XIxXP)
95 -
It's new. One of the features of the AoSHQ is you never know how they're going to screw up the blog from one day to the next.
Incidentally, I didn't hear it last night on firefox. Here at work, we use IE. So I have to keep my volume waaaaay down. Or else they might find out I'm not 100% committed to doing actual work.
Posted by: BurtTC at August 21, 2013 06:26 AM (TOk1P)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 21, 2013 10:25 AM (9Xc5j)
Somebody on Twitter said 12 years until he can get parole. And if it's on teh tweets it MUST be true!
Posted by: joncelli at August 21, 2013 06:26 AM (RD7QR)
we stop it under a President Killery or President Crazy Joe?
2) WouldnÂ’t we be safer from amnesty under a Dem president
than under a President Jeb or President Krispy-Kreme?
Posted by: Steve in Greensboro at August 21, 2013 10:19 AM
Are you so used to the current state of affairs in which we spend too much time worrying about how much bad shit the "servants of the people" will heap on us that you'll settle for a permanent state of LOTE-ism?
There was a time -- believe it or not -- when the difference between "friends" and "enemies" was pretty well defined, and most of the latter were overseas and, when worse came to worst, could be put down by our strong military.
So the answer to both questions is, IMO, a big, fat resounding "NO!" In fact, "fuck no!"
America will be on the road to recovery when the Prophets of Choom and the squishy hack RINOs are sent to the showers for good. Or, better, to prison, where traitors belong.
Posted by: MrScribbler at August 21, 2013 06:26 AM (kaGpp)
And you can use those documents to get free shit (and other privileges not extended to citizens and legal residents, like tuition breaks), so what's the problem here?
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at August 21, 2013 06:26 AM (/kI1Q)
Posted by: Jean at August 21, 2013 06:27 AM (CMlD4)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 21, 2013 06:27 AM (9Xc5j)
Posted by: mare at August 21, 2013 06:27 AM (A98Xu)
So, flame shield up, can we now give Bohner some credit?
No, the man is not perfect. Yes, there is allot to critizize.
But once again, the House, led by Boehner saves America from a terrible lib idea.
Posted by: Stone at August 21, 2013 06:27 AM (4sMhD)
You need to create circumstances that encourage them to deport themselves.
Then they won't come back.
I fully realize this will require authorities to enforce the laws to include more than just the LAW ABIDING CITIZENS, but then what the fuck are we paying them for anyway?
Posted by: ontherocks at August 21, 2013 06:27 AM (l0HgK)
86 "Meanwhile most illegal immigrants "living in the shadows" are likely not too interested in amnesty. Why give up their pseudo-citizenship plus status where they get all the benefits of citizenship while retaining special treatment?"
Because if a comprehensive law is written properly, people who don't come forward and obtain legal resident status would be subject to a much easier and faster deportation.
"Comprehensive" is a word that means the item encompasses more than just the primary item. It means the law can makes things harder for illegals as well as giving them a legal way to live here.
Posted by: jwest at August 21, 2013 06:28 AM (u2a4R)
Posted by: RWC at August 21, 2013 06:28 AM (fWAjv)
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at August 21, 2013 06:28 AM (/kI1Q)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 21, 2013 06:28 AM (9Xc5j)
He gets out January 19, 2017.
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at August 21, 2013 10:28 AM (/kI1Q)
Yeah, didn't think of that but since it's military I guess it's within barky's power.
Posted by: joncelli at August 21, 2013 06:29 AM (RD7QR)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 21, 2013 06:29 AM (9Xc5j)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at August 21, 2013 06:29 AM (XIxXP)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 21, 2013 10:29 AM (9Xc5j)
But I thought they were all such good kids according to their parents.
Posted by: buzzion at August 21, 2013 06:30 AM (LI48c)
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at August 21, 2013 06:30 AM (V1ZIU)
120 -
How is that possible? I thought federal time means you serve a minimum of something like 75% or whatever. Really? 10? That's just wrong.
Posted by: BurtTC at August 21, 2013 06:30 AM (TOk1P)
Posted by: RWC at August 21, 2013 10:22 AM (fWAjv)
Those numbers need to be reversed.
Posted by: EC at August 21, 2013 06:30 AM (GQ8sn)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 21, 2013 06:31 AM (9Xc5j)
You need to create circumstances that encourage them to deport themselves.
Posted by: ontherocks
Sorry, but the RNC declared self-deportation "horrific" last week. That menu option is no longer available. Please make another selection.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at August 21, 2013 06:32 AM (kdS6q)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at August 21, 2013 06:32 AM (XIxXP)
This is the position most elected officials on the right will take when idiots stand up in townhall meetings yelling that we should "enforce the law" and kick in doors throughout the country, deporting every illegal regardless of circumstances.
Posted by: jwest at August 21, 2013 10:14 AM (u2a4R)
You know, calling people who might be amenable to your ideas "idiots" might not be the best way to persuade them, in my opinion.
Dickbreath.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at August 21, 2013 06:32 AM (zF6Iw)
>>>One of the 3 asshole killers in Oklahoma tied to the crips and black power shit.
OMG *that* good little boy? What has the world come to?
Posted by: Bigby's Gripping Hand at August 21, 2013 06:32 AM (3ZtZW)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 21, 2013 10:31 AM (9Xc5j)
He was never going to get the rope or a firing squad, unfortunately. 53 years to me, sounds like a good start.
Posted by: EC at August 21, 2013 06:33 AM (GQ8sn)
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at August 21, 2013 10:32 AM (zF6Iw)
I never shoot without being shot at first.
Posted by: jwest at August 21, 2013 06:33 AM (u2a4R)
Posted by: LC LaWedgie at August 21, 2013 06:33 AM (6xhLc)
Posted by: rickb223 at August 21, 2013 06:34 AM (xorT2)
Posted by: RWC at August 21, 2013 06:34 AM (fWAjv)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at August 21, 2013 06:34 AM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at August 21, 2013 06:35 AM (XIxXP)
Posted by: LC LaWedgie at August 21, 2013 10:33 AM (6xhLc)
I'm thinking he doesn't enter general population or he'll be dead or somebody's bitch within a year.
Posted by: joncelli at August 21, 2013 06:35 AM (RD7QR)
"It's totally o.k. when the Scoutmaster climbs into your sleeping bag."
or
"What happens at Scoutcamp stays at Scoutcamp."
I don't see how the new Scouting mottoes apply here.
Posted by: Sir Baden Powell at August 21, 2013 06:35 AM (XaDvF)
You are an EVIL bastige, OSP!
Posted by: MrScribbler at August 21, 2013 06:35 AM (kaGpp)
117 -
Why does he deserve credit? For NOT allowing this to come to a vote?
When has the man ever articulated any kind of political philosophy that the right can defend? What does this say about the party? You give the left the excuse to use the argument "you don't care about brown people."
Boehner does nothing to fight against that perception. And even if amnesty does not pass before the '14 elections, he's arming the Dems with the ammunition they need to take back the majority.
How is he your winner?
Posted by: BurtTC at August 21, 2013 06:35 AM (TOk1P)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at August 21, 2013 06:35 AM (ZPrif)
Posted by: RWC at August 21, 2013 06:36 AM (fWAjv)
Posted by: nip at August 21, 2013 06:36 AM (jI23+)
Manning?
It should be Limping, or Sucking, or Whining.
It's like the Deputy WH Press Secretary JOSH EARNEST????!!! WTF?
They gotta a lotta nerve with that shit.
Posted by: ontherocks at August 21, 2013 06:36 AM (l0HgK)
It's that vine clip about the pickup truck going into a ravine, a few posts down.
Posted by: EC at August 21, 2013 06:36 AM (GQ8sn)
Bigby's Gripping Hand at August 21, 2013 10:37 AM (3ZtZW)
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Because he has the "wrong" political opinions about a certain set of things the lib editors hold dear.
Posted by: @JohnTant at August 21, 2013 06:39 AM (tVWQB)
Why?
Because he publicly proclaimed his opposition to gay marriage.
Posted by: no good deed at August 21, 2013 06:39 AM (WmLrU)
Posted by: BlueStateRebel at August 21, 2013 06:39 AM (7ObY1)
--
It's Ace's brainwashing technique. He just finished watching Halloween 3 : Season of the Witch.
Posted by: Lady in Black at August 21, 2013 06:40 AM (XB5Ak)
Flatbush Joe at August 21, 2013 10:35 AM (ZPrif)
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And for more context - they also lionize Roger Ebert.
Last paean to Ebert I read there, well...my jaw just *dropped*.
Posted by: @JohnTant at August 21, 2013 06:40 AM (tVWQB)
Clearly the problem is that law-abiding adults are still allowed to purchase handguns.
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at August 21, 2013 06:41 AM (/kI1Q)
Posted by: steevy at August 21, 2013 06:41 AM (9XBK2)
State Rep. Joe Carr just announced against Lamar! and he is running primarily on the amnesty issue.
Posted by: Jon (not the troll) at August 21, 2013 06:41 AM (gAQAA)
Posted by: Earworm at August 21, 2013 06:42 AM (/Crba)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at August 21, 2013 06:42 AM (ZPrif)
what is that verdammt soundclip that keeps playing over and over when I bring up AoS???
"Clear your mind. It knows what scares you. It has from the very beginning. Don't give it any help, it knows too much already. "
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at August 21, 2013 06:42 AM (kdS6q)
I'll believe it's dead when I can no longer smell the scent of its rotting corpse. Till then, it's still alive.
Though I would find it darkly comic if Rube-io torpedoed his career for a big fat plate of nothing.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/i][/s][/u][/b] at August 21, 2013 06:43 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at August 21, 2013 06:43 AM (4yFKY)
>>>I think Card was supposed to do a run writing Superman for DC and some artists etc refused to work with him.DC has really gone full left lately.
Good to see we're making inroads with the popular culture.
Posted by: Bigby's Gripping Hand at August 21, 2013 06:43 AM (3ZtZW)
Posted by: Marco the Rube-io at August 21, 2013 06:43 AM (/Crba)
Posted by: TheQuietMan at August 21, 2013 06:44 AM (1Jaio)
Posted by: Bigby's Gripping Hand at August 21, 2013 10:43 AM (3ZtZW)
Irony: Orson Scott Card is a card carrying democrat.
Posted by: EC at August 21, 2013 06:44 AM (GQ8sn)
166 -
Think of this round of Amnesty as Friday the 13th (or Saw, if that's more to your taste).
He's appears to be dead.
There will be a sequel.
Posted by: BurtTC at August 21, 2013 06:45 AM (TOk1P)
He's appears to be dead.
There will be a sequel.
Posted by: BurtTC at August 21, 2013 10:45 AM (TOk1P)
I want to play a game...
Posted by: EC at August 21, 2013 06:45 AM (GQ8sn)
166 -
Think of this round of Amnesty as Friday the 13th (or Saw, if that's more to your taste).
He's appears to be dead.
There will be a sequel.
Posted by: BurtTC at August 21, 2013 10:45 AM (TOk1P)
Well really this was the sequel. But like all horror movies they just keep coming back repeatedly.
Posted by: buzzion at August 21, 2013 06:46 AM (LI48c)
Posted by: Fritz at August 21, 2013 06:46 AM (UzPAd)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 21, 2013 06:46 AM (9Xc5j)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at August 21, 2013 06:46 AM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at August 21, 2013 06:46 AM (4yFKY)
Posted by: steevy at August 21, 2013 06:46 AM (9XBK2)
Posted by: LaQuisha Largess' at August 21, 2013 06:47 AM (90aTA)
Posted by: Tyrion Lannister at August 21, 2013 06:47 AM (/Crba)
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/i][/s][/u][/b] at August 21, 2013 06:49 AM (4df7R)
http://tinyurl.com/l5x9m96
Posted by: Lizzy at August 21, 2013 06:49 AM (UrtRh)
clearly NWO/Illuminati
Posted by: PrIsOn PlAneT !!11!!11!! at August 21, 2013 06:50 AM (EZl54)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at August 21, 2013 06:50 AM (ZPrif)
182 -
I want to die like my grandpa, peacefully in his sleep.
Unlike the passengers in the car with him, wide awake and screaming.
Posted by: BurtTC at August 21, 2013 06:50 AM (TOk1P)
Posted by: [/i][/b][/s]akula51 at August 21, 2013 06:51 AM (4p5/2)
I like how Entertainment fucking Weekly used the term "mainstream media" like they're not part of it.
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at August 21, 2013 06:52 AM (/kI1Q)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at August 21, 2013 06:52 AM (XIxXP)
http://tinyurl.com/nydjo6z
Posted by: Country Singer at August 21, 2013 06:52 AM (L8r/r)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at August 21, 2013 06:53 AM (ZPrif)
Tell me when.
Posted by: Sandra Fluke at August 21, 2013 06:53 AM (GQ8sn)
>>>gays, Lesbians, Transgenders and others should have priority for US Citizenship first because of how they were born.
As long as one of the parents is a US citizen, they're good to go
Posted by: Bigby's Gripping Hand at August 21, 2013 06:53 AM (3ZtZW)
Unlike the passengers in the car with him, wide awake and screaming.
Posted by: BurtTC at August 21, 2013 10:50 AM (TOk1P)
LMAO, i'm stealing that.
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at August 21, 2013 10:52 AM (XIxXP)
Hehe....that's Emo Phillips.
Posted by: EC at August 21, 2013 06:53 AM (GQ8sn)
Perhaps that might be a persuasive strategy if there were a fence along the entire length of the southern border. Yes, I know there are lots of problems with a fence but in a low trust environment, some physical evidence who's existence cannot be argued over would be a required first step. The fact that the proponents of amnesty are adamantly opposed to creating this evidence of their good faith is a pretty good demonstration that there is no good faith on that side of the debate.
Posted by: Obnoxious A-hole at August 21, 2013 06:54 AM (31Nrp)
Posted by: Lizzy at August 21, 2013 06:54 AM (UrtRh)
Ender's Game is on the USMC's Commandant required reading list for junior enlisted. Not going anywhere.
Posted by: EC at August 21, 2013 06:54 AM (GQ8sn)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at August 21, 2013 06:55 AM (ZPrif)
They are pushing the "controversial author" line just as hard an anyone else.
Posted by: no good deed at August 21, 2013 06:55 AM (WmLrU)
Posted by: rickb223 at August 21, 2013 06:55 AM (xorT2)
Posted by: steevy at August 21, 2013 06:55 AM (9XBK2)
Posted by: Ragamuffin at August 21, 2013 06:57 AM (fzFF6)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at August 21, 2013 06:57 AM (XIxXP)
Posted by: Emo Philips at August 21, 2013 06:57 AM (ZPrif)
After the fact birth certificates for them are going to be pretty near impossible. My mother was an early birth (earlier than the accepted 7-9 months after the wedding) and was born in a relative's home and had NO birth certificate until she got a brain tumor and had to apply for disability at age 55. My grandmother (much embarrassed and ashamed) had to file a sworn affidavit that she was indeed, born in the city on a certain date.
Posted by: Miss Marple at August 21, 2013 06:58 AM (GoIUi)
Posted by: Emo Philips at August 21, 2013 06:58 AM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Emo Philips at August 21, 2013 06:58 AM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Emo Phillips at August 21, 2013 06:59 AM (/kI1Q)
Posted by: Emo Philips at August 21, 2013 06:59 AM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Emo Philips at August 21, 2013 07:00 AM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at August 21, 2013 07:01 AM (XIxXP)
You look Slinky, I said to her at the top of the stairs.
My ex-wife, who shall remain nameless if I am ever alone at her tombstone with a sandblaster.
Posted by: Emo Philips at August 21, 2013 07:02 AM (LI48c)
>>>The 41-year-old son of a prominent former IBM executive died after
apparently choking on a piece of steak at an Upper East Side diner,
sources said yesterday.
PETA will find a way to use this for fundraising.
Posted by: Roy at August 21, 2013 07:02 AM (VndSC)
Posted by: Obnoxious A-hole at August 21, 2013 10:54 AM (31Nrp)
An additional argument for creating a legal status for foreign residents is that it provides a means for charging back the country of origin costs of education, healthcare, welfare, etc.
Posted by: jwest at August 21, 2013 07:03 AM (u2a4R)
http://www.hlj.com/product/nec35811
Then the Predator went to DC but went away frustrated since no one there had spines.
http://www.hlj.com/product/col80001
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 21, 2013 07:03 AM (5VGZi)
Posted by: Emo Philips at August 21, 2013 07:04 AM (ZPrif)
Posted by: RWC at August 21, 2013 07:05 AM (fWAjv)
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at August 21, 2013 07:05 AM (/Crba)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 21, 2013 07:07 AM (9Xc5j)
Stone, never vote again
Some people on here are so closed minded. You hate the Speaker, I see that he has value, so you don't want me to vote?
Why waste a good conservative vote?
Do you only want people who agree with you 100% to vote? So we can lose elections 90% to 10%?
When has he ever stood up for conservative principles?
Some of you are acting like the Speaker is always caving to Obama and giving him 100% what he wants, when the opposite is true. Obama has gotten virtually nothing through since he came to power. And that's all he has the power to do.
You have to be realistic about your expectation.
He stopped Amnesty. He played hardball and actually got a bit of deficit reduction. He has killed all of Obama budgets and all Obama attempts at further stimulus.
I mean, what do you want the man to do? If you want see him spout red meat rhetoric, pull him up on cspan.
If you want him to magically make Obamacare disappear, or pull a miracle and make the tax code change, or get some e reform; you have to get real, he is not dealing with Bill, these things are not possible.
I know some of you are way to invested in doom a gloom, but the country isn gone yet.
Posted by: Stone at August 21, 2013 07:07 AM (4sMhD)
Posted by: ontherocks at August 21, 2013 07:08 AM (l0HgK)
Posted by: Rachel Jeantel at August 21, 2013 07:10 AM (y5bPZ)
An additional argument for creating a legal status for foreign residents is that it provides a means for charging back the country of origin costs of education, healthcare, welfare, etc.
What makes you think you'd ever collect?
Posted by: Insomniac at August 21, 2013 07:11 AM (DrWcr)
Posted by: Neslon Rockefeller at August 21, 2013 07:12 AM (9Xc5j)
The USMC is instituting straight-outta-college-campii "straight men are always guilty" sexual harassment rules. I'm sure their reading list is easier to alter.
Posted by: Ian S. at August 21, 2013 07:12 AM (B/VB5)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at August 21, 2013 07:12 AM (ZPrif)
"I'd think that anyone having a consular ID card for Mexico or some other country would already make that possible."
Right now, illegals with no ID can apply for and get welfare, free medical, housing assistance, etc.
With a legal status and full background information, this same person (if the benefits are still allowed) could have the cost of their assistance billed back to their home country. Since the U.S. is the center for banking, the money can be taken if the home country doesn't voluntarily pay.
Posted by: jwest at August 21, 2013 07:12 AM (u2a4R)
Amnesty is an inside-the-Beltway issue. Always was. This is why I was never too worried about it happening. I do think the key to killing it was the House not having any vote on any bill before the recess. They are going to come back saying that they heard from exactly no actual constituents that amnesty is a priority issue. There really is no pressure for the House to do anything except possibly a border security bill, but they really shouldn't even do that because then the Beltway gang will demand a conference on the full Senate bill.
The big issue then is how far Obama is willing to go with executive orders and non-enforcement of existing laws. I don't think he would dare do too much before the 2014 elections, this would surely cost Democrats a couple more Senate seats than they are going to lose already.
The other issue is if and how the Republican Party can reframe the issue for 2016.
Posted by: rockmom at August 21, 2013 07:15 AM (aBlZ1)
I keep reading comments like this and momentarily thinking we're finally free of the national scourge of Peyton and Eli.
Posted by: Ian S. at August 21, 2013 07:15 AM (B/VB5)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 21, 2013 07:15 AM (5VGZi)
Posted by: Insomniac at August 21, 2013 11:11 AM (DrWcr) [/i]
Plus you'd be out the money it cost to send the bill and employ the person who sent it.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/i][/s][/u][/b] at August 21, 2013 07:15 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: steevy at August 21, 2013 07:15 AM (9XBK2)
Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 56% more DOOM! at August 21, 2013 07:16 AM (09o/X)
Posted by: Barry O'Fuckhead at August 21, 2013 07:17 AM (qvsGd)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 21, 2013 07:18 AM (9Xc5j)
Posted by: BlueStateRebel at August 21, 2013 07:19 AM (7ObY1)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 21, 2013 07:19 AM (9Xc5j)
Posted by: rickb223 at August 21, 2013 07:20 AM (xorT2)
The usual thinking is they want it blocked so they can call the GOP raaaaacist, and also so it won't explode the entitlements budget and make more cities go Detroit before 2016.
Posted by: Ian S. at August 21, 2013 07:20 AM (B/VB5)
Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 56% more DOOM! at August 21, 2013 07:21 AM (09o/X)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 21, 2013 07:21 AM (5VGZi)
"Plus you'd be out the money it cost to send the bill and employ the person who sent it."
Not exactly.
Assume that the country in question (Mexico) refuses to pay and that for foreign relations reasons, we don't want to simply seize the money from their accounts here in the U.S.
No problem. We just run a tab.
In the world of international finance, an entry on a ledger is just as good as hundred dollar bills. It's just numbers on a page, however, it does offset the amount and lessens the burden on the U.S. taxpayer.
Another benefit to charging the home country back is that they will be more likely to discourage immigration, instead of publishing pamphlets on how to get across the border.
Posted by: jwest at August 21, 2013 07:21 AM (u2a4R)
Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 56% more DOOM! at August 21, 2013 07:22 AM (09o/X)
Hey MrScribbler:
“…So the answer to both questions is, IMO, a big, fat resounding "NO!" …”
Why do you say no?
IÂ’ll explain my rationale below.
We would certainly be safer from amnesty under a Dem president than under a President Jeb or President Krispy. Jeb and Krispy are both committed amnesty advocates, at least as committed as Comrade Barky. If either were president, he would sign the Schumer-Rubio bill if presented to him in a heartbeat. A significant portion of Republican congresscritters are against the Schumer-Rubio bill simply because it is a Democrat bill. A significant portion of them would feel compelled to sign the Schumer-Rubio bill if it came to them with the imprimatur of a new Republican president.
Whom do you expect the Republicans to nominate for president in 2016? Before you answer, remember the people making the decision are same geniuses who gave us John McCain and Mitt Romney the last two go-arounds. IÂ’d love to have a President Ted Cruz, but the likelihood of the Republican Party nominating him is roughly zero.
If I am right, you are going to have to choose between Killery and Chris Christie for president in 2016. Whom do you choose?
The Republican Party needs to collapse like the Whigs and be replaced by a Conservative Party. Until they do, the best we can hope for is divided government with gridlock, with Dems in the presidency and Reps controlling enough of Congress to block them . But for the Republican Party to collapse, it needs to keep losing at the presidential level.
Posted by: Steve in Greensboro at August 21, 2013 07:24 AM (sugnf)
Assume that the country in question (Mexico) refuses to pay and that for foreign relations reasons, we don't want to simply seize the money from their accounts here in the U.S.
No problem. We just run a tab.
In the world of international finance, an entry on a ledger is just as good as hundred dollar bills. It's just numbers on a page, however, it does offset the amount and lessens the burden on the U.S. taxpayer.
How about you just get Mexico to join an HOA?
Posted by: EC at August 21, 2013 07:24 AM (GQ8sn)
#237 Well, my Congressman is lead sponsor of a new bill to cut funding for NSA, and he is not exactly a libertarian firebrand and this is a pretty ordinary middle-class suburban district. He must be seeing some polls showing this is a hot issue with a lot of likely voters. I was really surprised he did this and is crowing about it.
Obama has done an unbelievable amount of damage to average Americans' trust in government. They may still like him as a person, but they don't trust him. This plays into the debate over repealing Obamcare and also into the amnesty debate. If the GOP plays it right this could really help in 2016. If you don't trust government you sure as hell don't want the party of ever-expanding government in power anymore. You don't want a trimmer like Hillary Clinton as POTUS.
Posted by: rockmom at August 21, 2013 07:24 AM (aBlZ1)
Posted by: Lincolntf at August 21, 2013 07:25 AM (ZshNr)
I don't work til midnight, and I WAS planning on hitting the hay.
But of course, that plan just blew up in my browser.
......thanks Anna,
......gonna need a BIGGER coffee tonight.
Posted by: ontherocks at August 21, 2013 07:25 AM (l0HgK)
EC at August 21, 2013 11:24 AM (GQ8sn)
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Heh. Be nice - those "numbers on a page" are very valuable. It's why when I go to the store, instead of giving the cashier money I say "there's a ledger that says Mexico owes the US money."
Posted by: @JohnTant at August 21, 2013 07:26 AM (tVWQB)
.
Make it 40% for law and journalism schools.Posted by: AmishDude at August 21, 2013 07:26 AM (T0NGe)
If you don't trust government you sure as hell don't want the party of ever-expanding government in power anymore
They'll be in power no matter what.
Posted by: buzzion at August 21, 2013 07:26 AM (LI48c)
Posted by: rickb223 at August 21, 2013 07:27 AM (xorT2)
Posted by: Chris_Balsz at August 21, 2013 07:27 AM (l6tGl)
Posted by: rickb223 at August 21, 2013 11:27 AM (xorT2)
$25,000 per citizen.
Posted by: EC at August 21, 2013 07:27 AM (GQ8sn)
Posted by: JEM at August 21, 2013 07:28 AM (o+SC1)
"...I say "there's a ledger that says Mexico owes the US money."
There's also a ledger that says you've got actual money in a Social Security account.
Do you think it's really there?
Posted by: jwest at August 21, 2013 07:28 AM (u2a4R)
jwest at August 21, 2013 11:28 AM (u2a4R)
There's no money in a SSN account, therefore the dollar amount there is meaningless. Same with some magic ledger where we write down what Mexico supposedly "owes" us and it somehow erases the US tax burden.
You know there's a difference between "cash flow" and "balance sheet," right?!
Posted by: @JohnTant at August 21, 2013 07:29 AM (tVWQB)
Mexico can't even patrol it's border properly.
What makes you think they'll hand over money to us?
Posted by: EC at August 21, 2013 07:31 AM (GQ8sn)
Posted by: Obnoxious A-hole at August 21, 2013 10:54 AM (31Nrp)
An additional argument for creating a legal status for foreign residents is that it provides a means for charging back the country of origin costs of education, healthcare, welfare, etc.
Posted by: jwest at August 21, 2013 11:03 AM (u2a4R)"
That argument supposes some degree of trust in the good faith behavior of the amnesty advocates in the Executive Branch and re:my original point, evidence of that good faith is absent.
Posted by: Obnoxious A-hole at August 21, 2013 07:32 AM (31Nrp)
Posted by: T-Pain at August 21, 2013 07:32 AM (e8kgV)
Oh my G-d! Amnesty might be dead? That's awful.
"Amnesty" is the Obamas' new dog's name, isn't it?
Posted by: [/i]andycanuck[/b] at August 21, 2013 07:37 AM (joFbZ)
And then put a lien on the country.
Posted by: rickb223 at August 21, 2013 11:27 AM (xorT2)"
Make it a mechanic's lien and take Baja California in lieu of payment. Don't tell me that adding 2000 miles of beach front property to the United States is not going to result in a 20 year construction boom.
Posted by: Obnoxious A-hole at August 21, 2013 07:37 AM (31Nrp)
"What makes you think they'll hand over money to us? "
As I mentioned, we could seize it out of their accounts here if necessary.
This only works because we're the U.S. and the center for international banking, plus Mexico's largest export customer. They have no choice.
However, the idea of just running a tab is just as viable.
Posted by: jwest at August 21, 2013 07:37 AM (u2a4R)
Posted by: ejo at August 21, 2013 07:40 AM (GXvSO)
Yeah, it's as dead as they said obamacare was, back in the day.
Posted by: caustic at August 21, 2013 07:56 AM (/b8+5)
Posted by: Iblis at August 21, 2013 07:59 AM (9221z)
I just don't understand why there's Republicans that so want this. If you're coming from a Libertarian perspective, do you not understand that 20 million plus new impoverished citizens means tens of trillions in new government payouts? To say nothing of what sort of new political reality you're going to be facing when the Free Shit Army swells to that size.
I know with some Republicans, it's all about settling scores with the base they so despise. There's no question that's what's going on with my two Senators, McCain and Flake. Border hawks have been causing them headaches nearly their entire career, and this is their chance for the ultimate "Fuck You!"
I will say this, it wouldn't surprise me one bit if Obama tries some sort of blanket Amnesty on his way out, but my guess is Democrats up for election may talk him out of it.
Posted by: McAdams at August 21, 2013 08:06 AM (CV+nJ)
Every Amnesty RINO must be primaried. Even if you lose, just show the flag.
In the General, between the Amnesty RINO and the Commiecrat, go vote for the American Indepdendent / Constitution / whatever they call it your state Party candidate. Of course he will lose. But the message must go out. No more Amnesty RINOs.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at August 21, 2013 08:15 AM (ujg0T)
Instead, sent it back with the words NO AMNESTY written in huge red sharpie letters across the entire thing.
Think it'll send a message? Nah, me neither
Posted by: Moebius at August 21, 2013 08:26 AM (Bx1Dc)
I got a letter from our esteemed betters in the RNC asking if I would take a survey and send it back in. I was about to take my first reaction, which would have been to furiously tear it to shreds.
Instead, sent it back with the words NO AMNESTY written in huge red sharpie letters across the entire thing.
Think it'll send a message? Nah, me neither
Me too! Maybe enough of us should do this?
Posted by: Curmudgeon at August 21, 2013 08:29 AM (ujg0T)
Posted by: Buzzion at August 21, 2013 08:33 AM (Qf3Um)
Posted by: Rufus T. Firefly at August 21, 2013 08:36 AM (aOnaK)
Posted by: ejo at August 21, 2013 08:37 AM (GXvSO)
Posted by: Rufus T. Firefly at August 21, 2013 08:41 AM (aOnaK)
Yep, and we'd probably also be involved in about 5 wars in the Middle East.
But McCain's against Pork barrel spending, which costs the average American about a penny out of their paycheck. So there's that.
Posted by: McAdams at August 21, 2013 08:46 AM (CV+nJ)
But McCain's against Pork barrel spending, which costs the average American about a penny out of their paycheck. So there's that.
Posted by: McAdams at August 21, 2013 12:46 PM (CV+nJ)
Remember when the DemSM was propping up McLame in 2000 in an attempt to get at Bush the Younger? And yet, when it comes down to policy, there is no difference.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at August 21, 2013 08:49 AM (ujg0T)
"Amnesty is an inside-the-Beltway issue. Always was."
My thoughts also, Rockmom. Staying too long inside the Beltway makes members of Congress too beholden to the ideas and concerns of the provincials who inhabit that reclaimed swampland and too forgetful of the concerns of the people who actually vote for them.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Buy Spleen! Now with Oxidizers! at August 21, 2013 09:09 AM (hLRSq)
Instead, sent it back with the words NO AMNESTY written in huge red sharpie letters across the entire thing.
Think it'll send a message? Nah, me neither
Posted by: Moebius at August 21, 2013 12:26 PM (Bx1Dc)
I shredded that survey.
Posted by: caustic at August 21, 2013 09:13 AM (/b8+5)
Posted by: caustic at August 21, 2013 09:14 AM (/b8+5)
Posted by: All the pretty girls at Wendy's at August 21, 2013 10:16 AM (rCS6C)
No need to find another way, the old ways still work fine.
Posted by: Joshua at August 21, 2013 09:20 AM (oCZ4e)
Instead, sent it back with the words NO AMNESTY written in huge red sharpie letters across the entire thing.
Think it'll send a message? Nah, me neither
Posted by: Moebius at August 21, 2013 12:26 PM (Bx1Dc)
I'm pretty sure that when people return those surveys, the surveys are immediately discarded and the only thing in the envelope that gets paid attention to is the check, if any, that the respondent enclosed. I would be genuinely surprised if anyone actually compiled the results of the survey for the RNC.
Posted by: Joshua at August 21, 2013 09:22 AM (oCZ4e)
Posted by: Joshua at August 21, 2013 01:22 PM (oCZ4e)
I can't help but think if enough envelope stuffers get the same message again and again, somehow it will filter up to the ones supervising them?
It makes me feel better to scibble "NO AMNESTY" on their surveys, anyway. So there's that.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at August 21, 2013 09:30 AM (ujg0T)
Posted by: Rogue Low-Level Employee at August 21, 2013 11:14 AM (epWQP)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at August 21, 2013 10:25 AM (9Xc5j)
Federal time, 35 is 35. I think, I'm almost positive.
--
He is eligible for parole in 10 years, (the 3.5 years he spent in jail counts against the sentence).
Posted by: jbarntt at August 21, 2013 10:43 PM (UNFot)
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Tattoo 'em on the way out the door. Comeback, death penalty. Problem solved.
Posted by: jbarntt at August 21, 2013 10:46 PM (UNFot)
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