1 I really did get abducted by and sleep with an alien once.

2 What if Mike Lee does what Democrats do? Lie about being moderate and then go full on conservative. I can be happy with that.

3 1 I really did get abducted by and sleep with an alien once. Posted by: Dennis Kucinich at October 30, 2013 09:40 AM (Myqtp) Dennis, can I fuck your hot ginger wifey????

4 i thought kucinich got a divorce.....

5 yes there is more trust at this point with Lee ,
and sometimes honey works better than vinegar  for the national stage.
But it is necessary to at least appear to be able to be convincing to fight for the right causes.

6 He said "innovative green technologies".  Burn the heretic!

7 Yet another in the long line of useless hearings. References to the Wizard of Oz, recognizing Sebelius' father or grandfather(whatever). It's a fucking circus parade of clowns.

8 didn't know kucinich got  a divorce, I had read He attended the NSA free speech thingy

9 nope, looks like i'm wrong...still married

10 Nice post. Agreed. Communicating effectively.

11 Can i ask one thing of the future primary candidate?
That He not hire the same advisers that Romney or McCain did?

12 "2 What if Mike Lee does what Democrats do? Lie about being moderate and then go full on conservative. I can be happy with that." Same here. I want a candidate who supports dismantling the Dept. of Ed, Dept. of Energy, Dept. of Labor, etc., etc., but that candidate can't actually say that out loud and get elected.

13 Drew's take doesn't seem to be the take someone posted this morning . . . .

14 I was going piss and moan about not having a Sebelius thread but there's no point. I swear to christ our congresspeople are dumber then a fucking box. It's freak'n pitiful, not Sebelius, our side.

15 That's...wonderfully sneaky.

I do like that.

16 Yay!  Dump!


Oh wait....

17 What if Mike Lee does what Democrats do? Lie about being moderate and then go full on conservative. I've got $10 that says he doesn't.

18 Yes, let's have more billion dollar transportation boondoggels which benefit no one because it is too expensive to use and takes as long or longer to commute on. And all the billions wasted on it go into donk pockets since they will get the contracts. Just slit my throat now.

19 Who let these crazy old bastards into the hearing?

20 Look at how JEF got elected. Besides the bullying tactics, he voted Present much of the time, and kept quiet. Not saying anything at all, and not voting for anything in particular gives you wide cover, and you can't be accused of lying.

21 What was curious about Obama on the National stage pre "I Won" when he spoke fiscally while building a following about debt he actually sounded conservative.
Did Dems notice that? and accept He was just saying what He needed to to win?

22

It's language, Drew.  When I hear a conservative use the word "diversity," my hackles go up and I am instantly suspicious.

23 I am referring to the 2006 speech on fiscal debt and irresponsibility to the future children .

24 November 31st?

25 It's divershitty.

26 Lee lost me in the seventh 'graf of his speech, when he expressed pride for House Republicans -- like Boner -- who "fought against" ChoomCare.

He must have been watching a different House, probably in some alternate dimension.

As for the rest, too much feed-the-base pap, an excess of buzz-phrases, and WAY too much "government-has-to-do..." shit for my taste.

Jury's still out on this dude. He needs to man up if he's going to push for conservative beliefs, or simply say so if he's planning to join in with the Squish Brigade.

27 I'm with Drew on this one. Need someone who will actually articulate what government should not do or even try to do.

28 The mask is off. Lee is a damned dirty RINO.

29 lol.

30 >>>He offers policy ideas where I'd personally prefer a candidate to say, "Government can NOT do anything about this! Stop believing people who say it can".

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Well that's just it, this IS the problem....We are in a time where every snarky little know nothing screeches, "Well whats your plan" "Whats your solution" Blah Blah Blah...
Politician always feel the need to have some magical alternative to what is always a big gov made problem.


 

31 shuffles off to make tea.

32 Honestly, I think Mike Lee is the smartest guy in the senate.

33 Mike Lee and this gives hard core conservatives something to talk about, but lets face it, nobody knows or cares who Mike Lee is. And he's never going to garner anybodies attention.

34 but that candidate can't actually say that out loud and get elected. Posted by: unf-ing-believable at October 30, 2013 09:47 AM

You mean you want a friggin' liar like Choom Boy?

At some point, politicians will be FORCED to tell the truth -- not by voters, but by simple reality and the laws of math and economics -- and the current crop of political hacks will be cast aside by people who feel the pain of losing their Free Shit.

Those people will be a hell of a lot more dangerous to politicians' health than we can be.

35 "Government can NOT do anything about this! Stop believing people who say it can". true, but doesn't work well as a campaign slogan, especially for the LIVs

36 shuffles off to make tea.  Posted by: willow at October 30, 2013 09:56 AM (nqBYe)

Willow?  A cup, please?

Oh, and wear the pencil skirt.

37 Preaching to the choir..

I mostly ignore these speeches as they are crafted for, and given in front of crowds that usually eat up this stuff.

"what to do in the aftermath of the ObamaCare meltdown and entitlements. Saying there needs to be lots of ideas on those two things is fine but hardly as instructive as he is with some of the lower hanging fruit he goes after in the speech."

The reason he gives no policy solutions is he, and conservatives in general, have none.  "Fixing" healthcare in this country is not compatible with "small government".  Voters and other Americans are sick of the way they are treated in mostly unregulated insurance markets.  Obamacare isn't the answer, however, as it makes health insurance even more expensive and doesn't improve health CARE at all.

38 Speaking of lying liars who lie, best euphemisms for Barky and friends if you like your plan you can keep it lie. From HA. http://tinyurl.com/jwsu3vl

39

I was going piss and moan about not having a Sebelius thread but there's no point. I swear to christ our congresspeople are dumber then a fucking box. It's freak'n pitiful, not Sebelius, our side.

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Agreed! References to the Wizard of Oz, that Hall guy from Texas(what the f#ck was he even talking about?), and other abysmal questions from d!psh!ts who have no ability to question appropriately.

40

I was going piss and moan about not having a Sebelius thread but there's no point.
Posted by: lowandslow at October 30, 2013 09:48 AM (IV4od)

Another dog and pony show between a corrupt Obumfuk official and the corrupt congress. Nothing will get accomplished and nothing will be done.

I'd rather listen to a herd a cats in heat than that crap.

41 I am appalled by you lies sir! Please tell me more.

42 Don't worry. The Left (or the self-defeatist GOP) will play the Mormon card soon enough....

43 If National Review were anything less than the Official Ball Washing Brigade for the Establishment, they _would_ be the ones articulating radical reduction of the size, scope and reach of the federal government in terms the LIV like, want and understand.

And then conservatives would have those phrases and terms--already market tested safely outside political consequence--at the ready to deploy.

Instead . . . well you see what intellectual heft they bring to the conservative movement.

Palin coined "death panels" not National Review.

44 Oh, and wear the SHORT pencil skirt.
Posted by: Sean Bannion
..........
FIFY

45 Look at how JEF got elected. Besides the bullying tactics, he voted Present much of the time, and kept quiet. Not saying anything at all, and not voting for anything in particular gives you wide cover, and you can't be accused of lying.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 30, 2013 09:49 AM (IXrOn)

He got elected because he spoke without a trace of a negro dialect. He was a hard core commie for all to see. Most chose not to see

46 Well that's just it, this IS the problem....We are in a time where every snarky little know nothing screeches, "Well whats your plan" "Whats your solution" Blah Blah Blah...

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I see you've read jwest.

47 When he says "open up" I hear deregulation. The "diversity" might just be the saccharine to make it taste better to voters who need to hear the word "diversity", or "green", every third sentence or conclude they're dealing with a Nazi.

48 Using vacuous Dem buzzwords that evoke the "goodness" emotion.  Clever.

Leverage their corruption of language

49 FIFY

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at October 30, 2013 10:00 AM (f9c2L)

Thank you.  I stand corrected.

50

Voters and other Americans are sick of the way they are treated in mostly unregulated insurance markets

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Unregulated? The insurance industry? Have you ever made an insurance claim?

51 The major disconnect is that in most of the country, an election is an appetizer course. You elect a candidate and hope to see him put forward the goals you elected him for. In Washington, election is dessert. For politicians, once they are elected, the job is done. They can't be held accountable for another 2,4, or 6 years - and for most, being held "accountable" means getting a cushy pension and lobbyist position.

52 Obama: "We donÂ’t need to build more highways out in the suburbs ..." Mike Lee: "The federal government also needs to open up AmericaÂ’s transportation system to diversity and experimentation, so that Americans can spend more time with their families in more affordable homes, and less time stuck in maddening traffic." Pretty clear cut difference.

53 Government and Public Service are two of the most widely misunderstood and abused concepts in the Suffocating States of Bammerica today. If everybody in DC would get conjuctivitis and dysentery simultaneously, bam - no congressional hearings, no sound bites, the economy would friggin' take off like a rocket. .......and Jugears would still go golfing.

54

So DrewM has embraced the Mitt Romney model now? 

55 Drew, I agree 100% with this. What makes Reid and Obama effective politicians is their ability to con people. We need good con men on our side.

56 Drew, you've touched upon the core of what Ponnuru and Lowry said and it is central to the debate between the GOP and the Tea Party (and echoes the earlier debate among the Democrats between the McGovernites and the DLC): Who are we? Are we tweaking the status quo or do we seek fundamental change? Here's the irony--the Dems decided in 2008 that they wanted to be a change agent and steered away from the the DLC status quo. And they won. We have a myth that the big block of centrist voters wins elections. I'm not so sure it's the moderates themselves as much as patching together a message that wins. This is where it gets complicated for us. What is that message? We cannot say "hey, we're here to solve all the problems in your life and hand you freebies"; remember Julia? The general rote that we recite consists of strong defense, low taxes, and low regulation. Every single one of those meta issues is now hostage to cronyism that spans the political spectrum, hence the maddening tendency of the GOP leadership to sit in the middle of the policy intersection watching the traffic go by in the name of "conservatism." What would be an effective message for 2014 and 2016? I believe there are another three issues that are natural Republican strengths and we have high ground from which to fight. First, education is a mess and the traditional bricks and mortar schools, nine-month years, and tenured teachers is turning out armies of droputs and remedial level graduates. "Waiting for Superman" gained us some traction. Unlike some other issues, Bill Gates has been really on our side on this one, too. And how many unlikely allies do we have in the urban areas of the country on this one? Second, we putter around the edges of an energy policy. "All of the above" doesn't excite anyone. We should put a top five together and target it at swing states with a never-ending backdrop: We're not going to fight another war in the Middle East unless it's to protect Israel directly. Third, and here is where I'll probably encounter some pushback: If we're going to think big as a country, it needs to be for something with concrete benefits. Space is where it is at. Set a big hairy goal...Mars, spaced-based manufacturing, orbital solar power stations, SOMETHING, and do it. It's a hell of a lot sexier than health care or free phones.

57

7Yet another in the long line of useless hearings. References to the Wizard of Oz, recognizing Sebelius' father or grandfather(whatever). It's a fucking circus parade of clowns.

 

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Send in the clowns!

58 When he says "open up" I hear deregulation

Baby steps.  This ploy is still in its infancy.

Open up could be replaced with "infuse" or something else as the new-newspeak lexicon gets fine tuned

59 Unregulated? The insurance industry? Have you ever made an insuranceclaim? Posted by: boned to the bone
..........
I'm talking about caps and hidden clauses and the myriad ways insurers get out of actually paying claims.

I'm not a big fan of overreaching consumer protection.  But in the case of health insurance, they have gone off the rails in recent decades in what they are allowed to offer.

60 From the blithering idiots at USA Today:

The 16-day government shutdown hurt jobs growth in the private sector this month with only 130,000 jobs added, a drop if 15,000 from September, according to ADP's National Employment Report.

September also didn't add as many jobs as ADP originally reported. It revised private sector payroll increases from 166,000 to 145,000.

How does a government shutdown reduce the number of private sector jobs?

61 Rep. Shimkus asked Sebelius about people being able to tell which plans offer abortion coverage and which don't, and a female voice on CSPAN said: "Oh here we go."

62 One reform I would love to see is reduce the 6 year senate term to 4 years. I know it would be hard as fuck since it requires a constitutional amendment. But I think it would have support across party lines from the masses. And it would also have support from the political machines. If you had elections every 4 years instead of every 6 years, that's 50% more income to you as a consultant, campaign manager, etc. It could be done.

63 Nostrils Waxman is looking particularly Creature From the Black Lagoon today.

64 Posted by: Tami - GO CARDS!!! at October 30, 2013 10:05 AM (bCEmE) lol.....i heard that....

65 How does a government shutdown reduce the number of private sector jobs? Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 30, 2013 10:05 AM (1Jaio) _______ In libtardville, 1+1= 17. So using that as a base, anything's possible.

66

I'm  going to let people who have more time to watch him decide who and what Mike Lee is.  What I would like to hear more of from Republican Senators is though, something like this:

 

We don't have a majority caucus, so we are not able to  pass any legislation that  is part of our conservative agenda.  However, we are not powerless.  We can stop Obama and Reid and  the liberal Democrats from  allowing the government to intrude on people's lives any more than it already does.  Some of our caucus may not agree with us on how to best  do this, but if we stand together on that ONE point - stopping the Democrats from taking more  money and freedom from the American people - we  will be doing what we were sent to Washington to do.

 

Or words to that effect. 

67

Drew - what it sounds like you are looking for is a conservative who can speak in "glittering generalities" sufficient to get elected, but once elected work on the conservative end of those glittering generalities.  That sounds good.

 

Next question - where do we find these people?  By the way, that is a serious non-snark filled question.  I mention that because you wrote of the dream of the great smash-down fight that will destroy the progressives.  That sounds like fun, but that isn't actually politics (and I know you know that).  At least it isn't American politics - maybe Stalinism where you put a bullet in the back of the skull - but not politics here.*  Politics here is usually the incrementalism, and that isn't as fun in the doing.  So we need incremental people and an incremental plan a - for want of a phrase - a long march.  Now, how does that get done?

 

*It is like Obama wanting to destroy the GOP.  Unless he actually plans on killing every Republican he's living in a dream world.  The Great Depression didn't kill the GOP so I doubt he will.

68 Oh, and wear the pencil skirt.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at October 30, 2013 09:58 AM (JpC1K)

**

Yeah I googled  "pencil skirt"

Nice.

69 50 Voters and other Americans are sick of the way they are treated in mostly unregulated insurance markets
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Unregulated? The insurance industry? Have you ever made an insurance claim?
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Yeah, I think Chi-Town just outed  himself as a LIV. Seriously, if you know anything about insurance, you know it's one of the most highly regulated industries in the nation.

I don't think I can name another product that I'd have to seek approval from the state in each and every state I want to sell it in.

And that's in addition to the SEC and other various federal agencies I have to make sure I'm complying with.

Saying insurance is "mostly unregulated" is stupider than saying the Sun rises in the West.

70 "That's...wonderfully sneaky."

And somewhat boner inducing,  if I can say that here and not seem,  "weird".

71 How does a government shutdown reduce the number of private sector jobs? In the same way as "worries over Tibet security" or "Mandela cancer rumors" explain daily performance of the stock market. Economic journalism is even more of an exercise in making stuff up that the mainstream stuff.

72 Shorter terms mean more campaigns, more fundraising/PAC's, more pork, more corruption. I think they should serve for six year terms, but only meet for three months per.

73

Space is where it is at. Set a big hairy goal...Mars, spaced-based manufacturing, orbital solar power stations, SOMETHING, and do it. It's a hell of a lot sexier than health care or free phones.

 

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Get your ass to Mahs!

74 I'm coming to the realization that government education is our most pressing problem. Liv's are the product of government education. Teachers unions promote big government. Communists learned long ago that control of education meant control of population. Biased journalists are coming out of biased universities. The long game needs to include changing the role of government in education. Federal government needs to get out. States need to cede to local control. Limited government proponents need to assert themselves in education. Public employee unions needs to be busted. Don't believe that it's about the children. It's about the teachers and the government.

75 I'm talking about caps and hidden clauses and the myriad ways insurers get out of actually paying claims.

I'm not a big fan of overreaching consumer protection. But in the case of health insurance, they have gone off the rails in recent decades in what they are allowed to offer.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at October 30, 2013 10:05 AM (f9c2L)

 

The insurance industry,  specifically the claims paying section, is one of the most regulated industries in the States.   There is not 'a way to get out of paying claims'  if the policy provides coverage.  

 

 

76 7Yet another in the long line of useless hearings. References to the Wizard of Oz, recognizing Sebelius' father or grandfather(whatever). It's a fucking circus parade of clowns. --- Well, they have got Cowardly Lyin's, the Wicked Witch of the West, and plenty of straw men if not precisely Scarecrows.

77

59 -

 

Ooh!  I know this one... you know what would solve this problem??? 

78 There's a Catch-22 here for conservatives and the GOP that I'm still not sure can be resolved. I'm not sure it's resolvable at the moment due to the completely and totally deserved and decades in the making distrust that the base has for much of the RNC and portions of the GOP. I want actions first and many of them before I will consider thinking about trusting that moderate talk is concealing conservative intentions. And, yes, I mean that of Cruz and Lee and Rand Paula and whomever else you would like to name. Actions always speak louder and I am staring at you so hard right now Pat Motherfucking Toomey I hope that there are holes being drilled into your skull. Here, I will extend an olive branch that only has, like, at most, one raptor holding it to the other side of this circular firing squad. When you admit that conservatives are not nutty mcnutbar crazypants for not believing that much of the GOP is going to treat us like The Chicken as soon as humanly possible and then act all shocked and horrified that the base is furious about it, I will consider pondering that you are acting in good faith in an attempt to find a way to better lie to get conservative results.

79 waiting for an open thread, I have a shotgun question for the 'rons...

80

Well, they have got Cowardly Lyin's, the Wicked Witch of the West, and plenty of straw men if not precisely Scarecrows.

 

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They've got a few Munchkins like Sen. Barbara Mikluski as well.

81 1 I really did get abducted by and sleep with an alien once.

Posted by: Dennis Kucinich at October 30, 2013 09:40 AM (Myqtp)

Tell us about the anal probe, Dennis. We know you got one, wink wink nudge nudge.

82 One reform I would love to see is reduce the 6 year senate term to 4 years.

To what end?

83 There is the "white lie" and then there is the truth, explained with precision. http://tinyurl.com/mhlgwow TED CRUZ EXPLAINS TO TRAYVON MARTIN’S MOTHER HOW ‘STAND YOUR GROUND’ LAWS HELP PROTECT THE BLACK COMMUNITY Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) came face-to-face with Sybrina Fulton, the mother of Trayvon Martin, on Capitol Hill during a Tuesday hearing on “Stand Your Ground” laws. After offering his condolences to Fulton, Cruz told the mother that the self-defense laws are not racist because they help blacks as much as whites, if not more. Cruz also explained that, despite some efforts to exploit Martin’s death, George Zimmerman’s defense team never used Stand Your Ground laws as a defense in the murder trial. from theblaze video at link if you haven't seen it it's okay to tell the truth, too! eloquently.

84

I'm talking about caps and hidden clauses and the myriad ways insurers get out of actually paying claims.

I'm not a big fan of overreaching consumer protection. But in the case of health insurance, they have gone off the rails in recent decades in what they are allowed to offer.

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The caps in my policy are in a summary sheet provided with the booklets explaining my coverage. As far as "hidden clauses" go, I'm not sure what you're referring to exactly.

85 Because someone who lies to gain power, is extremely unlikely to then give up that power willingly?

Sure, there may be a few idealogues out there, somewhere, who have the ability to lie convincingly "for the cause", and won't immediately betray their base.
But it's not a proposition worth wagering on.

86 Economic journalism is even more of an exercise in making stuff up that the mainstream stuff. Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here)-also drooling imbecile incapable of doing algebra or something at October 30, 2013 10:08 AM

And the actual performance of today's stock market has more to do with sacrificing chickens and baying at the moon than actual profit/loss supply/demand economics.

When reality sets in -- and, in time, it must -- the market crash will be epic. Fortunes will vanish, and people will die. Look at 1929 and think "we ain't seen nothin' yet!"

87

Here, I will extend an olive branch that only has, like, at most, one raptor holding it to the other side of this circular firing squad. When you admit that conservatives are not nutty mcnutbar crazypants for not believing that much of the GOP is going to treat us like The Chicken as soon as humanly possible and then act all shocked and horrified that the base is furious about it, I will consider pondering that you are acting in good faith in an attempt to find a way to better lie to get conservative results. 

 

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This kind of writing is why I LOVE coming to this site.

88

Drew has violated the rules at AoSHQ.

 

The bylaws explicitly state that any comment by a republican elected official will be interpreted  in a  manner  as to insert as many liberal values as possible.

 

The bylaws also make it clear that no benefit of a doubt will be given at any time.

 

Drew had no problem following the rules with Rubio.  Why is he bending the regulations for Lee?

89 Did I miss Trey Gowdy questioning her? I soooo hope not!

90 waiting for an open thread, I have a shotgun question for the 'rons... Posted by: BlueStateRebel who's life was saved by rock and roll at October 30, 2013 10:10 AM (7ObY1) I thought if there was none posted below "Topic" posts, then the current was the open thread, too.

91 I agree with your gut rx, Drew. I thought Lee's speech was aimed at Utahns. He is worried about being primaried. Child tax credits, flex hours, loans etc. I have serious reservations about the higher ed component. Doing some research now and waiting to see the proposal when it's released.

92 One reform I would love to see is reduce the 6 year senate term to 4 years. Nope. The only tinkering with what the Founders' established in that regard is that we should either have term limits or a maximum age 70, 72 somewhere in there.

93

Third, and here is where I'll probably encounter some pushback: If we're going to think big as a country, it needs to be for something with concrete benefits. Space is where it is at. Set a big hairy goal...Mars, spaced-based manufacturing, orbital solar power stations, SOMETHING, and do it. It's a hell of a lot sexier than health care or free phones.

 

Yes.  And stand firm in the firestorm of "but there's all these poor people in America!  Why are we wasting money in space?"

94 What Dems do well - in addition to lie - is they use incrementalism. They don't come out and state they want communism. They just implement a communist idea that nobody really notices but lays the groundwork. Education is a perfect example. It took 50 years to turn public schools into communist indocriation centers. Every year it was add a few pages in textbooks praising Castro and removing a few pages about Washington. Not a huge deal, right? Then next year a few more pages. Then the year after that, ban Halloween. Then the year after that, introduce gay studies. And so on. Republicans don't know how to play this game. They don't even try. For example, every year we hear about defunding PBS. And every year it goes nowhere. How about just de-funding $150K from PBS that goes to a show nobody - not even libs - watch. Start small. Get a foot in the door. Set a precedent. Then the year after, go for another $150K. And so forth....

95

And the actual performance of today's stock market has more to do with sacrificing chickens and baying at the moon than actual profit/loss supply/demand economics.

When reality sets in -- and, in time, it must -- the market crash will be epic. Fortunes will vanish, and people will die. Look at 1929 and think "we ain't seen nothin' yet!"

 

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The South Park episode where Geithner et all determined the value of a Margaritaville machine by cutting the head off a chicken and seeing where the body stopped moving is probably one of the most accurate depictions of government economics I've ever seen.

96 What would be an effective message for 2014 and 2016?
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When people taste actual freedom, they love it.

Problem is, the GOP has no interest in letting people be free.

Hell, just getting rid of the stupid "federal law prohibits smoking blah, blah, blah" on airplane take-off would be a small step and they can't even rouse themselves for that.

It's been how many fucking decades since it was banned? I think we all got it by now, thanks.

There are a whole shitload of stupid regulations the GOP could be chipping away at and they . . . "we canna do nothin' 'till we have the warp engines back online."

97 Fuck Mike Lee

98

92One reform I would love to see is reduce the 6 year senate term to 4 years.

Nope. The only tinkering with what the Founders' established in that regard is that we should either have term limits or a maximum age 70, 72 somewhere in there.

 

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I'd go with term limits rather than an age limit.

 

You still have very smart people capable of contributing in their old age and, besides that, it is easier to head off a legal challenge to term limits than it is to head off one to an age cap for the position.

99

"He just couched it in big government, low-information voter terms

That's...wonderfully sneaky."

 

Yeah.  It's also easier to flip the end result around so that the delivery of the 'big government, low-information basic idea' ends up serving the Leftist notion of social engineering when it comes to working with the Dems to turn the idea into actual policy.

100 Posted by: California red at October 30, 2013 10:10 AM (L39bP) see Bill Whittle's current video post over at pjmedia

101 Yeah I googled "pencil skirt"
Nice.

 

Posted by: dananjcon at October 30, 2013 10:07 AM (wmU4G)

 

Try "hobble skirt" next.

102

I had a situation where a policy was cancelled for non payment and then a claim was submitted subsequently  against  that policy.   Subsquently the carrier was forced to provide coverage because the  portion of the   cancellation notice  that gave the explanation  was not written in  12 point  font.

 

Yeah , not regulated.     

103 I'm talking about caps and hidden clauses and the myriad ways insurers get out of actually paying claims.I'm not a big fan of overreaching consumer protection. But in the case of health insurance, they have gone off the rails in recent decades in what they are allowed to offer. __________ You're an idiot. Insurance is a contract. An insurance company can't just decide one day to not pay what the contract says it will pay for. This is the biggets like that liberals have been allowed to get away with....that insurance companies kick you off the plan when you get sick. It has never happened. And if it ever did, the plaintiff would win that lawsuit 999 out of 1000 times.

104 Why don't we look at conservatives who have a track record of actually doing what they say they will do, who have a track record of actually sticking to conservative principles in the face of all odds, of actually implementing conservative policies, rather than just who makes the best speeches about it?

105 You still have very smart people capable of contributing in their old age Name one in Congress right now. I'll wait.

106 Try "hobble skirt" next. Yabba dabba doo!

107 Economic journalism --- Smoke and mirrors journalism.

108

"That's...wonderfully sneaky."

 

Yes, but will the LI(C)V's be able to pick up on it? 

 

I've been arguing for this for years, but have always worried that many conservatives would never bother with the actually particulars of a plan, but would just listen to the TV headline and act accordingly.

109

104 -

 

Do we have to? 

110 I want 6 years reduced to 4 because it seems like RINOs always act conservative in years 5 and 6. Reduce 6 years to 4 years and they'll be forced to act conservative in years 3 and 4. It increases a RINO's conservative voting record by 50%.

111

Or "hobble dress"

 

http://tinyurl.com/pwc3l9u

 

112 I really did get abducted by and sleep with an alien once. Posted by: Dennis Kucinich at October 30, 2013 09:40 AM (Myqtp) Tell us about the anal probe, Dennis. We know you got one, wink wink nudge nudge. Posted by: joncelli at October 30, 2013 10:11 AM (RD7QR) No, apparently he got to marry an Elven Princess as a reward.
Serious You Guys, if you ever need empirical proof that life is not fair, the Kucinich marriage is all you need.

113 Pencil skirts seem to be shaped more like erasers today.

114 At some point, politicians will be FORCED to tell the truth -- not by voters, but by simple reality and the laws of math and economics -- and the current crop of political hacks will be cast aside by people who feel the pain of losing their Free Shit.

Those people will be a hell of a lot more dangerous to politicians' health than we can be.

Posted by: MrScribbler at October 30, 2013 09:57 AM (kaGpp)

 

I don't think sodium pentathol and hot pincers can get a politician to tell the truth.  And reality won't force them.  Example:  "Me?  Lie to you?  My dear friends, we were Betrayed by __________ over there!"

115 Oh also. *smacks Bannion on nose with rolled up newspaper* Bad! Bad! No attempting to make willow trip!
willow, here, I shall help you walk so that you and your pencil skirt make it to the tea just fine. *shoots glare over shoulder at Bannion*

116

104 "Why don't we look at conservatives who have a track record of actually doing what they say they will do, who have a track record of actually sticking to conservative principles in the face of all odds, of actually implementing conservative policies, rather than just who makes the best speeches about it?"

 

Because some times people like this have high pitched voices that embarrass us, so they need to be destroyed.

117 Which Republican has actually implemented the most sweeping conservative agenda in the last few years? 

118 I've bought my own insurance for over 10 years. I knew exactly what the terms were. They are clearly spelled out in plain English. And in that 10+ years I have never - not once - been denied coverage. And while I have never been seriously ill, I have had 3 pretty expensive surgeries and my wife was hospitalized during both her pregnancies with major complications. All told, between my surgeries and her pregnancies, we got close to $250K worth of insurance payments. And not once was anything contested. So fuck you libs.

119 We have not done our job correctly if willow is here on the current thread.

120

I remember visiting Berlin in '94...although "the wall" and almost all signs of it were long gone, you could still tell the instant you drove into the former East Germany.  The roadway immediately transformed from a smooth & modern highway to a pothole-filled, crumbling third-world backroad.

 

If Senator Lee gets his wish, I imagine driving into a "blue" state will be the same experience.

121

111 -

 

That looks kinky.  Whereas, pencil skirts CAN be worn to the office.  Of course, it really does depend on the office, and without question seriously depends on the wearer.  Some can, some can't.  If you can't, ladies, KNOW THIS ABOUT YOURSELVES!  There is a sexy outfit for all occasions, for nearly all shapes and sizes of women.  Figure out what yours is, and stick with that.  We really won't mind if you can't pull of some certain looks. 

122

Yeah , not regulated. .

On my claim, every question/section I had to fill out was accompanied by the government insurance code section that corresponded to each question on the form. That's why I was curious as to what Chi-town Jerry was getting at.

123 This hearing is Boner's fault. He has control and yet the Demoncraps run the hearing.

124

105You still have very smart people capable of contributing in their old age

Name one in Congress right now.

I'll wait.

 

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Sen. Tom Coburn is about 65.  Sen. Jim Inhofe is 78.    Haven't found a list of House members sorted by age yet.

125 who have a track record of actually sticking to conservative principles in the face of all odds Sticking to conservative principles? Sorta like that fellow from the frozen tundra of some cold as-a-witches-tit state that was a Vice-Presidential candidate? The one working on an amnesty 'compromise'?

126

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at October 30, 2013 09:58 AM (f9c2L)

 

Insurance markets are highly regulated.  Get on your state's website and look up the insurance commission.  I am certain you will find a list of regulations and a link to your state's statutes on insurance.

 

Unregulated?  Come on, you are better than that.

127 Hey, in addition to imaginary evile insurance company ripoffs, non-profit Kaiser Permanente is cancelling policies to drive up their profit.

128 104 Why don't we look at conservatives who have a track record of actually doing what they say they will do, who have a track record of actually sticking to conservative principles in the face of all odds, of actually implementing conservative policies, rather than just who makes the best speeches about it? Posted by: mama winger at October 30, 2013 10:17 AM (P6QsQ) _________________ Yeah but you sometimes have to vote in new people who don't have a track record, and all they have is words.

129 Try "hobble skirt" next. Yabba dabba doo! Posted by: jakeman at October 30, 2013 10:18 AM (vH4YP) mine as well browse peruvianconnection.com while you're at it... ;-) they include strange little looped videos of the models moving in each piece

130 Sebelius: "We have no reliable data on enrollment..."

131 Sticking to conservative principles? Sorta like that fellow from the frozen tundra of some cold as-a-witches-tit state that was a Vice-Presidential candidate?

The one working on an amnesty 'compromise'?

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at October 30, 2013 10:23 AM (U2UQk)

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No, but you're in the right state. 

Governor Scott Walker.  He's done it.  He's doing it.  Not just making speeches about it.  Not just posturing.

132 I thought if there was none posted below "Topic" posts, then the current was the open thread, too. OK, here goes...if I get a shotgun with a rifled barrel, can I still use regular shot in it? Or would the rifling make the shot scatter all over? It must at least affect the shot pattern, I would think? In other words, is a rifled barrel shotgun primarily just for slugs? I have rifles and a smooth-bore shotgun but thinking of getting a rifled shotgun.

133 Haven't read Lee's speech yet, but will do so shortly. The transportation bit at the end of DrewM's article, it reminded me of the end of the VP debate between Joey Choo-Choo and Sarah Palin. The candidates were making their last minute pitches and, as I recall, Sarah was running short of time and she threw a sop to spend more on education at the end. I thought, No! No! No! You've just kicked his ass and STILL you feel obligated to throw bones to the usual suspects? WTF is wrong with you people? Anything short of Department of Education will be zeroed out under the four years of our Administration is unacceptable. For me, that ranked right up there with Bush 41 NOT telling the whiny he-bitch in Richmond about what he was going to do to "take care of us" to "Sack up, grow up and be a man, dammit!"

134 Of course, it really does depend on the office, and without question seriously depends on the wearer. Some can, some can't. If you can't, ladies, KNOW THIS ABOUT YOURSELVES! There is a sexy outfit for all occasions, for nearly all shapes and sizes of women. Figure out what yours is, and stick with that. We really won't mind if you can't pull of some certain looks. Two otters wrasslin' in a burlap bag is NOT sexy.

135 thank you alex, sets tea on the table.

i see that some in the room were willing for me to have another sprained ankle all for the glory of checking out a peek at panties during the fall moment. (and remember it wasn't a planned fall where everything looks gently, tastefully  planned out!

hands bagel over.

snorts at Bannnion.

136 Pay no attention to the little man behind the curtain.

137 Sebelius: The system isn't functioning so we don't have reliable data on how many people have enrolled.

138

122 -

 

My guess is, if the person is NOT in the medical provider business,  to say the insurance industry is unregulated means they had a claim that was not paid, and they don't think that's fair.

 

If the person is IN the medical provider business, it means they're tired of  all those insurance companies with all their different payment schedules. 

139 Scott Brown is apparently too conservative for St. Louis University. He showed up today for a speaking engagement and wasn't allowed on campus. He just posted about it, calling it "Unreal. ", and a double standard, he's headed now to another area school that will allow him to speak.

140 Chitown Jerry is this where you show off you awesome skills of persuasion by calling people who disagree with you retards and telling them to STFU?

141 Tami, i had read the site crashed last night, was that true?

142 The RINOization of Mike Lee begins.

143

137Sebelius: The system isn't functioning so we don't have reliable data on how many people have enrolled.

 

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Frankly, admitting that is probably less embarrassing for them than saying how many people have applied for policies, which is incredibly low.

144 I see NDH's horror story of her experience on Obamaicde.gov  made the pages at Weasel Zippers.

145 Drudge says 404 care crashed during the hearing.

146 OK, here goes...if I get a shotgun with a rifled barrel, can I still use regular shot in it? Or would the rifling make the shot scatter all over? It must at least affect the shot pattern, I would think? In other words, is a rifled barrel shotgun primarily just for slugs? Primarily. You'd have to test fire for pattern. Most shot shells have a "cup" that the shot rides in until it leaves the barrel. Rifling may throw a spin on that cup. Depending on range, it may affect the pattern.

147 The reason he gives no policy solutions is he, and conservatives in general, have none. "Fixing" healthcare in this country is not compatible with "small government". Voters and other Americans are sick of the way they are treated in mostly unregulated insurance markets. Obamacare isn't the answer, however, as it makes health insurance even more expensive and doesn't improve health CARE at all.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at October 30, 2013 09:58 AM (f9c2L)

You have got to be shitting me.

148 Drudge says 404 care crashed during the hearing. Posted by: Boss Moss the Redskin Savage at October 30, 2013 10:28 AM (ujMoa) heh

149 new one

150 Boss Moss, i hope it was a debilitating crash that would take years to fix. like at least 3 more.

151

145Drudge says 404 care crashed during the hearing.

 

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Pretty funny considering that Sebelius is insisting that the site has NEVER crashed.

152 No, but you're in the right state. Do I detect some slight souring on Paul Ryan? Come to the confessional, mama winger. It will be good for the soul. To be honest myself, after listening --well reading-- your enthusiasm for Ryan, going back well into lfg days, I thought he was built of iron. So I'm kinda interested in your thoughts.

153 OK, here goes...if I get a shotgun with a rifled barrel, can I still use regular shot in it? Or would the rifling make the shot scatter all over? It must at least affect the shot pattern, I would think? In other words, is a rifled barrel shotgun primarily just for slugs? If you get a Rem 870 or Mossberg 500, you can get a replacement barrel for around $200 & have smoothbore & rifled. Change as situations demand.

154 it's okay to tell the truth, too! eloquently. Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 30, 2013 10:12 AM (IXrOn

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This^^


The eloquent truth without stepping on their dicks. They have to be perfect in what they say, the MFM holds the right to a different standard. At the same time they cannot be afraid to call out the MFM for this hypocrisy.

155 You guys who keep calling every one a "RINO" have no fucking idea what a RINO is or what the Republican Party has traditionally stood for.

156 Two otters wrasslin' in a burlap bag is NOT sexy.

The deuce you say!

157 I'm talking about caps and hidden clauses and the myriad ways insurers get out of actually paying claims.I'm not a big fan of overreaching consumer protection. But in the case of health insurance, they have gone off the rails in recent decades in what they are allowed to offer.

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You're an idiot. Insurance is a contract. An insurance company can't just decide one day to not pay what the contract says it will pay for.

This is the biggest lie that liberals have been allowed to get away with....that insurance companies kick you off the plan when you get sick. It has never happened. And if it ever did, the plaintiff would win that lawsuit 999 out of 1000 times. Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at October 30, 2013 10:17
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On this, you are right.

It is a big, fucking lie-John Grisom and Hollywood be damned.

Disclosure: I do some work for auto insurance companies. You know what I see? Overpayment. Always erring on the side of "just pay the claim before they file a complaint with the State Board of Insurance."

See, everyone wants to believe the insurance companies are the greedy ones. There are only a few insurance companies. And they have the full force and weight of the state looking over their shoulder to catch any "unfairness."

There are millions of consumers. Who have no problem lying on their application, lying about what happened, and raising bloody hell over the fender-bender with $1,000 in property damage that therefore entitles them to $25,000 in pain and suffering.

I had this fucking guy crying on the phone--crying!--over the $2,500 in vehicle damage claim. He's trying to tell me the 10mph collision is still giving him nightmares! And he's just flat-out lying to me. I'm looking at the pictures of his vehicle and he's telling me the collision was soooo violent and hard that the license plate of the other vehicle left an imprint in his bumper!! Holy fuck did I settle that fast. Who wants a lying retard like that on the stand?

158 Yeah I googled "pencil skirt"Nice.

Posted by: dananjcon at October 30, 2013 10:07 AM (wmU4G)

Try "hobble skirt" next.

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How apropos for Halloween!

Bunk.

159 I have rifles and a smooth-bore shotgun but thinking of getting a rifled shotgun. Posted by: BlueStateRebel

A rifled slug barrel is designed for slugs.  Remington sells a separate rifled slug barrel for the 870, which makes it handy for a swap-out.  Or you could buy a single-shot H & R with a slug barrel.

160

@ 155 - "You guys who keep calling every one a "RINO" have no fucking idea what a RINO is or what the Republican Party has traditionally stood for."

 

I'm not sure that *anyone* knows what the Republican Party stands for.

161 There is a sexy outfit for all occasions, for nearly all shapes and sizes of women. Figure out what yours is, and stick with that. As a guy, I only have one sexy outfit. Kinda NSFW http://tinyurl.com/l4em87o

162

Posted by: BlueStateRebel who's life was saved by rock and roll at October 30, 2013 10:25 AM (7ObY1)

 

You can fire slugs out of the non rifled barrrel.   The rifle barrel is really only necessary for sabots. 

163

@ 140 - " Chitown Jerry is this where you show off you awesome skills of persuasion by calling people who disagree with you retards and telling them to STFU?"

 

Maybe it's just me, but I've always found his argument on that point to be extremely cerebral and persuasive.

164 You guys who keep calling every one a "RINO" have no fucking idea what a RINO is or what the Republican Party has traditionally stood for. Alas, traditionally, the Republican Party stood for Federal intervention in state matters, graft, the factory owners and the railroads. Barry Goldwater and Ronald Reagan changed that.

165 Oh, also bankers and Wall Street.

166

By the way, Chi-Town Jerry, Jay Carney is saying that the insurance industry is "like the wild west".  Are you sure you want to take the same stance as Jay Carney, a professional prevaricator?

 

I mention this little thing out of the goodness of my heart.

167 Voters and other Americans are sick of the way they are treated in mostly unregulated insurance markets. ... Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at October 30, 2013 09:58 AM (f9c2L) Which markets would that be?

168 Sen. Jim Inhofe is 78. 1% is not a data point.

169 You can fire slugs out of the non rifled barrrel. The rifle barrel is really only necessary for sabots. I know I can (and have) fired slugs in a non-rifled, but I wanted greater range from a rifled.

170

The situation requires spending cuts, deregulation and devolving of power to the states.

 

The required actions have been obvious for years. Politicians are not interested in doing those things because said actions lower the power and enrichment of politicians.

Bye.

 

 

171

I'm guessing that this is the first time you examined things that Senator Lee has written or said, but as a resident of Utah and a strong Lee supporter, this has been Lee's approach ever since he decided to run for the Senate as candidate Mike Lee.

I'm glad that with this Heritage speech, more Americans are getting exposed to Senator Lee, and to his ideas and suggestions.  You might want to consider 'friending' him of Facebook.  He frequently posts there concerning what is going on in the Senate, and legislation that he either sponsors, supports, or submits.  I think the more you get to know him, the more you will like him.

172

And therein lies the problem....MANY Republicans are smitten to the notion that GOVERNMENT somehow is able to solve the ills of a Nation.

1) Government CREATES more problems than it solves

2) Politicians of ALL parties generally aren't around when the problems they created hit the populace like a ton of bricks, and are subsequently NEVER held accountable

3) Politicians simply cannot grasp the concept of "unintended consequences"

 

For all of those who believe ObamaCare will simply "self-destruct", let me remind you that Entitlements simply do not go away. Since politicians treat your wallet as an endless source of revenue, ObamaCare can crash and burn but someone will ALWAYS be there to bail it out.

 

Until and unless Republicans can nominate people who can effectively communicate that the Federal Govt creates more problems than it solves, and provides plenty of examples that even a dumbed-down voter can understand, they will continue to get creamed on the National stage.

 

That means YOU Chris Christie!

173 Yes, politics is about marketing and conservatives are really bad at it.

To make every Republican candidate sound like Jim DeMint at all times is a great way to hand control of the country over to Democrats.  If the electorate was built that way, we would never lose an election.

I understand a "zero tolerance" policy if a Republican comes from say South Carolina, but you need to let Republicans "play the game" that come from places like Massachusetts and Illinois. 

I honestly believe that even Blue State Republicans are actually far more conservative than they let on.  Think about it, if you wanted a much easier career path and had liberal instincts, wouldn't be a whole hell of a lot easier to simply run as a Democrat?

174

"For all of those who believe ObamaCare will simply "self-destruct", let me remind you that Entitlements simply do not go away."

So far, ObamaCare seems to be a negative entitlement, since for too many people, it involves policies that cost more, cover less, and have higher deductables that people had previously. 

Not much of an entitlement, so it may very well self destruct.

175

Trust me, you really *don't* want to hear the lamentations of liberal women........

 

176 Trust me, you really *don't* want to hear the lamentations of liberal women........ How about administering whippings to them that will leave marks?

177 Drew said: I think my ambivalence about the speech, in particular the transportation example is that I want someone to have a national fight about the role and scope of government

Fair enough, but we just had that election. And we lost. 51-47.

Now, of course, you all will instantly rejoinder with the typical comments about how it was Romney and Paul Ryan's fault, that they were flawed candidates.

Fine, believe that if it makes you feel better.

But remember that Romney-Ryan, who touched the *untouchable* big issues of Medicare and Social Security reform, the debt and free-market conservatism, won the majority white vote by the same margin as Reagan in 1980.

In effect, we fought the big ideological show-down you (and I) wanted Drew, and we lost because the country has changed and become a quasi-welfare-state.

The United States of 2012 just isn't the United States we still imagine it to be. It sucks, but the data doesn't lie.

178 Being right is never enough in politics.  You have to put together enough votes to get elected, and get enough like-minded folks elected to pass and sign bills into law and name and confirm enough judges to the bench to uphold those laws.  Without those last three, being right is lonely and cold.

Sure Social Security is an awful deal and Medicare was never sustainable.  So what?  You think 41% of America considers themselves "conservative," by the polls, but when you ask that 41% what changes are accepting to SS & MC to save those programs from BANKRUPTCY, a plurality still say, "NONE."

If 41% of America were conservative, we would never have elected a far-left buffoon like Obama.  Pretending we can sweep in and reverse the "progressive" trend of the last century is delusional.  We got where we are incrementally, one step at a time over 100 years or more, and that isn't going to be reversed in a Presidential term or two, much less a single Congress.

Those who can't wrap their heads around that fact are actually detrimental to changing things because they scare the bejesus out of the LIVs and send them running to the Democrats to "protect" their "rights."

179 Why does Drew seem to think that conservatives need to be "sneaky" or "liars" about the fact that conservatism improves people's lives?  That's just a fact.  Didn't we spend the Bush years complaining that "compassionate conservatism" had an unnecessary modifier?  There's no "Catch-22" here, unless you're looking for reasons to stoke a conservative civil war. 

180 Voters and other Americans are sick of the way they are treated in mostly unregulated insurance markets. Obamacare isn't the answer, however, as it makes health insurance even more expensive and doesn't improve health CARE at all. Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at October 30, 2013 09:58 AM (f9c2L) Uh, no. The insurance market is mega regulated. As in, each friggin state had pre-obamacare its own rules, no competition across state lines. It can hurt them and benefit the insurance companies. The whole healthcare industry at this point is a monopoly. Its easy to fix it, you take away the monopoly protections (like you can't import or reinport cheap drugs currently etc.) and restore healthcare to an actual free/fair market that has honest competition. Like its been with dentistry, basic eye care and plastic surgery aka stuff that wasn't generally covered by "insurance". How much of a screw job obamao-care is: http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=225540

181 Think about it, if you wanted a much easier career path and had liberal instincts, wouldn't be a whole hell of a lot easier to simply run as a Democrat? Posted by: McAdams at October 30, 2013 12:06 PM (Z8gcK) Being from Oregon, many of our career Repub politicos were Democrats at one point... They went to the GOP because they lost out from the Dems (too moderate, change of heart on one or several issues etc.) and the only place for them was the GOP.