April 10, 2013

It's Hard Not To Be Cynical About This Toomey/Manchin Deal
— JohnE.

First, on Toomey's motivation to take part in this charade. Yesterday there were reports that Bloomberg's Mayors Against Illegal Guns group was amping up the pressure on Toomey in Pennsylvania.

New York Mayor Michael BloombergÂ’s Mayors Against Illegal Guns is on the air in Pennsylvania Tuesday with a TV spot targeting Sen. Pat Toomey (R-Pa.), who is in talks to sign on to a proposal that would require background checks for all commercial gun purchases.
BenK. says he's been seeing the ads on television for a little while now.

Then, today:


Now, about the actual bill. Erick Erickson picked up on a possible nasty little detail in the bill.

The proposal will allow a doctor to add a patient to the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) without ever telling the patient he or she has been added.

There would be no due process requirement. Not all doctors will be able to do it with the same ease, but many will. Knowing a doctor could add him to a federal database as mentally ill without his knowledge could potentially dissuade a patient from going to the doctor in the first place to get help.

Worse, if the doctor does so and makes a mistake, the patient would have to actively work through the system to get himself removed — guilty before being proven innocent. In some states, should a doctor flag you as having mental illness without your knowledge, you may very well see the state come collect your previously purchased guns.

And of course, who could forget this from January?


Slippery slope and all that.

Posted by: JohnE. at 12:48 PM | Comments (274)
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1 Sucky day all around.

Posted by: toby928© Person of Pallor at April 10, 2013 12:48 PM (QupBk)

2 The news just gets shittier and shittier. 

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 10, 2013 12:49 PM (lVPtV)

3 it's all connected and we haven't seen the entire puzzle, either

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 10, 2013 12:49 PM (XYSwB)

4 So now I need to sniff out my doc's position on the 2nd before I'll have a candid discussion with him?  Yeah, that's going to work out well.

Posted by: Todd W at April 10, 2013 12:50 PM (wf3Kt)

5 The death of our rights by a thousand cuts.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at April 10, 2013 12:50 PM (wrS2o)

6 Ace of Spades:  The Stompening

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 10, 2013 12:50 PM (lVPtV)

7 Why do I get the feeling that the people who get reported will be the Conservative father of four who happens on the psychiatrist in the elevator, and not the patient with Batman fantasies who serially threatens his doctors and coworkers?

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at April 10, 2013 12:51 PM (QF8uk)

8 I love how spineless the GOP have become. I live in PA as well and the commercials are silly. How pathetic is Toomey? By the way Senator, this isn't an election season. If this pansy runs from commercials NOW what will he do during his actual campaign?

Posted by: Jay at April 10, 2013 12:52 PM (WSgyE)

9 7 Why do I get the feeling that the people who get reported will be the Conservative father of four who happens on the psychiatrist in the elevator, and not the patient with Batman fantasies who serially threatens his doctors and coworkers?



Or the person walking around talking to his stuffed monkey. 

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 10, 2013 12:52 PM (lVPtV)

10 You guys just need to stop with all this. I was personally promised by jwest that there was nothing at all hinkey about this bill. In fact, it's a WIN! and I just KNOW that, with a name like jwest, he wouldn't lie to me.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde at April 10, 2013 12:53 PM (yh0zB)

11 Why do I get the feeling that the people who get reported will be the Conservative father of four who happens on the psychiatrist in the elevator, and not the patient with Batman fantasies who serially threatens his doctors and coworkers?>>

It is a lot safer for me to not get on Batfan's list.

Posted by: Doc Lib at April 10, 2013 12:53 PM (wrS2o)

12 To be clear: the commercials have a few guys with shotguns who are dressed as hunters conveying that "universal background checks secure my rights" It is like John Kerry duck hunting. I'm disgusted with Toomey. What a puss.

Posted by: Jay at April 10, 2013 12:54 PM (WSgyE)

13 Tyranny coming early this millennium.

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at April 10, 2013 12:55 PM (AWmfW)

14 Eeeewwww.I need a new hot internet girl to ogle

Posted by: Jones in CO at April 10, 2013 04:52 PM (8sCoq)



Heather Carolin. Possibly NSFW. GGE of the Moron Horde accepts no responsibility for the status of your perv filters in your search engines.



Oh, and, you're welcome.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde at April 10, 2013 12:55 PM (yh0zB)

15 We are using the Cleveland Browns game plan to win.

Posted by: GOP leadership at April 10, 2013 12:56 PM (F6KtL)

16 Hey, you've been unstomped Congrats I think

Posted by: Navycopjoe at April 10, 2013 12:56 PM (hXDld)

17 Are Executive Orders in the Constitution?  If not, where did they come from cause they seem to hold as much weigh as bills.

Is this another one of those "one hand washes the other things" that the republicans don't dare touch.  How many more sacred cows are there in the government?

Posted by: bawa wawa at April 10, 2013 12:56 PM (/b8+5)

18 It's getting so bad I can't even enjoy the gallows humor at AoS anymore.

Posted by: Hrothgar at April 10, 2013 12:57 PM (Cnqmv)

19 Or the person walking around talking to his stuffed monkey. EverybodyÂ’s on the NICS except for me and my monkey.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at April 10, 2013 12:57 PM (QF8uk)

20 This is not the hill to die on. Immigration isn't either. Neither is health care. Re-election though, that's the hill to die on fo' sure.

Posted by: GOP leadership at April 10, 2013 12:57 PM (F6KtL)

21 I'm sick and tired of being promised one thing by our betters in the GOP then them turning around and gleefully fucking me over.

And when it comes to the Constitution, I will not passively take that fucking over.

Posted by: DangerGirl @deadlyestrogen at April 10, 2013 12:57 PM (GrtrJ)

22

The mental illness thing:  Sounds very Soviet.

 

 

Wonder where Barry and his buds got that idea?

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes more nonsense ...... at April 10, 2013 12:57 PM (RFeQD)

23 17 Are Executive Orders in the Constitution? If not, where did they come from cause they seem to hold as much weigh as bills. Is this another one of those "one hand washes the other things" that the republicans don't dare touch. How many more sacred cows are there in the government? Posted by: bawa wawa at April 10, 2013 04:56 PM (/b8+5) Executive orders are meant only for the express purpose of administering the business of the executive branch. THEY ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE LAWS.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 10, 2013 12:57 PM (tqLft)

24 Ah, the good ole' post shuffle.

Posted by: wte9 at April 10, 2013 12:58 PM (ZL7LA)

25 was personally promised by jwest ======== Yeah, and don't forget this gem of wisdom: I don't have a problem with letting these people have some kind of "compromise" win on gun control, if it's relatively minor, like making background checks more complete. If you are trying to hold onto some notion that we're on a slippery slope, I urge you to recall the effects of the 1994 bill, which were essentially, nothing. I want this issue off the table. Posted by: BurtTC at April 10, 2013 07:15 AM ======= Old burt went on to assure us this morning that this bill won't effect us. Isn't that swell?

Posted by: Jay at April 10, 2013 12:58 PM (WSgyE)

26 18 It's getting so bad I can't even enjoy the gallows humor at AoS anymore.

Posted by: Hrothgar at April 10, 2013 04:57 PM (Cnqmv)


Hang in there..

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at April 10, 2013 12:59 PM (AWmfW)

27 Republicans are saying that they expect the same kind of turnout for the next election?  So does that mean code for cheating being justified by poor turnout?
Just asking cause the local republican guy told this to us recently and he believes there was cheating in the election.  But he also believes that you don't say there was cheating so you can cheat.  This is a local republican leader, big deal, up and coming, at a fund raiser.

Posted by: Caustic at April 10, 2013 12:59 PM (/b8+5)

28 It's   cynical   not   to   be   hard.   Particularly   in   the   Lincoln   Bedroom.

Posted by: Reggie Love: Psychological Support BF at April 10, 2013 12:59 PM (wIgpo)

29 The Soviets had national health care, and free mental health evaluations. Remember?

Posted by: Beagle at April 10, 2013 12:59 PM (sOtz/)

30 Someone should put in an amendment that anyone elected to Congress has to pass the same background check before they can be sworn in

Posted by: buzz at April 10, 2013 12:59 PM (i27M5)

31

"Or the person walking around talking to his stuffed monkey. "

 

Hey, I'm another victim of all this.  Leave me out of it.

Posted by: The Stuffed Monkey at April 10, 2013 01:00 PM (4I3Uo)

32 The proposal will allow a doctor to add a patient to the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) without ever telling the patient he or she has been added.

Yeah, that's not going to destroy the lives of innocent people at all.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at April 10, 2013 01:00 PM (/kI1Q)

33

But But national CCW reciprocity or something!

(Which BTW is what's going to give democrats cover to vote against it and/or propose amendments that tank it.)

Posted by: tsrblke at April 10, 2013 01:00 PM (GaqMa)

34 I'm sick and tired of being promised one thing by our betters in the GOP then them turning around and gleefully fucking me over.

And when it comes to the Constitution, I will not passively take that fucking over.

==========================

Hey, it's not like we are all enjoying fucking you over. Some of us like fucking guys....over...like that person that person with a girly first name from South Carolina who will not be named.

Posted by: GOP leadership at April 10, 2013 01:00 PM (F6KtL)

35 26 ###golf clap###

Posted by: Navycopjoe at April 10, 2013 01:00 PM (hXDld)

36 Where's my drink?  I can't hack this shit anymore.

I'll still refuse to tell my doctor if I own guns.  I'm sure she'll report me as mentally unstable.

Posted by: DangerGirl @deadlyestrogen at April 10, 2013 01:00 PM (GrtrJ)

37

That Constitution thing?  It's alive and it's whatever they say it it.

 

Due process?  We're lawyers and we don't give a damn.  That sort of thing is an illusion for the proles.

 

And the rest of us?  As someone has said the last few days, if the Founders were alive today, they'd already be shooting.

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes more nonsense ...... at April 10, 2013 01:01 PM (RFeQD)

38 And suppose you refuse to answer those kinds of questions? Would you be denied care.?

Posted by: Woodsrunner at April 10, 2013 01:01 PM (7amV2)

39 If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor ... right up until he starts asking the soon-to-be-mandated question about guns in the home.

Posted by: Andy at April 10, 2013 01:01 PM (VeuNA)

40 Not cynical? How about not totally deflated. The only issue were 100% united on, and we hand the ball off to the other team for an easy 6.

Posted by: Truman North at April 10, 2013 01:01 PM (I2LwF)

41 So, if your doctor secretly doesn't like you he can say you have guns, right?

Posted by: Caustic at April 10, 2013 01:01 PM (/b8+5)

42 OMG

Posted by: phoenixgirl at April 10, 2013 01:02 PM (GVxQo)

43 We simply need to regard any politician who supports any sort of gun control bill as our enemy. If we do not draw political blood in vengeance for tampering, we won't be able to hold any of the others in line either. We have to make examples of people on our side "por le ecourager les autres."

Posted by: DiogenesLamp at April 10, 2013 01:02 PM (bb5+k)

44
I'll still refuse to tell my doctor if I own guns


Nah, you just lie.  You don't own guns...you've never owned guns.  Guns are icky.

Posted by: Gman at April 10, 2013 01:02 PM (UkbKS)

45 Well,  since the news is uniformly bad,  I am going to take my good old English shepherd to dog training.

Bonus is that my dog trainer hates Obama about as much as anyone I know.

I am going even though severe weather is threatening.  I need a break from Obamacrap.

I will check in later this evening.

Posted by: Miss Marple at April 10, 2013 01:02 PM (GoIUi)

46 Next up.  Ammo.  (You know it's coming)

Posted by: Soona at April 10, 2013 01:03 PM (01pgO)

47 Welcome back to the top, John.

Posted by: © Sponge at April 10, 2013 01:03 PM (xmcEQ)

48 Posted by: bawa wawa at April 10, 2013 04:56 PM (/b8+5) The Founders knew that unlimited power is never exercised for a limited amount of time. But "we the people" got lazy as Mr Franklin warned us about and allowed "reasonable and responsible" government control of our lives, one little regulation at a time.

Posted by: Hrothgar at April 10, 2013 01:03 PM (Cnqmv)

49 caustic you didn't get into the college of your choice because you are an idiot, it had nothing to do with refusing to get vaccinated

Posted by: phoenixgirl at April 10, 2013 01:03 PM (GVxQo)

50 Boy, did the silly concern trolls have a bad morning: What people here seem to think is that if the Republican settles on some silly compromise, all their rights will be taken away. That's irrational. And it's inaccurate. The Dem party wants to say they DID something. Fine, tinker with the language, and let's be done with it. Posted by: BurtTC at April 10, 2013 08:03 AM ======= Hey burt, if my ObamaCare approved doctor adds me to the NICS, do any of my rights get taken away?

Posted by: Jay at April 10, 2013 01:04 PM (WSgyE)

51 I plan on giving my doctor the Quigley Down Under response if asked. "Well, sir, I've never had much use for one."

Posted by: Emile Antoon Khadaji at April 10, 2013 01:04 PM (UlI/7)

52 Dr.: so ncj, do you own guns? Ncj: you could come over to the house at around midnight and find out

Posted by: Navycopjoe at April 10, 2013 01:04 PM (hXDld)

53 Repost from the dead thread:

P. Diddy net worth  $580,000,000.
Kate Upton net worth $3,488,000

You do the math. That Math, she is a bitch.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, FLLDFC Gangstette Wily Wench at April 10, 2013 01:05 PM (kXoT0)

54 Quid Pro Extortion. All so they can come around and screw him later. The GOP will never learn.

Posted by: [/i]akula51 at April 10, 2013 01:05 PM (Vgn84)

55 Oh man, this is just ugly: I think the part you are missing is that the liberals ARE trying to take the issue off the table. They want to pass a meaningless reform, without ANY of the big "scary" stuff that went into the 1994 bill, BECAUSE they only want a cosmetic victory. They're giving you a chance to not have any real changes in the way this stuff works. Why not take it? Posted by: BurtTC at April 10, 2013 08:14 AM ========== Concern trolls suck.

Posted by: Jay at April 10, 2013 01:05 PM (WSgyE)

56 Seriously, WTF with all the thread stomping?

Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 10, 2013 01:05 PM (mowrH)

57 Thread chaos when Ace isn't around. Chaos, I tellya.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 10, 2013 01:05 PM (XYSwB)

58 The only way to stop this nonsense is to put 2 million people right outside the capital, otherwise they will do what they always do - acquiesce to the Democrat agenda.


This isn't some statute they are seeking to alter this is a constitutional amendment they are tampering with.

Posted by: kreplach at April 10, 2013 05:03 PM (LROPO)

 

 

----------------------------------------------

 

 

Outside the Capital?  I was thinking of a more direct style of communication.

Posted by: Soona at April 10, 2013 01:05 PM (01pgO)

59 I have always denied having guns in the house since they started asking when I go to the base clinic.  It's none of their business asking.

Posted by: no good deed at April 10, 2013 01:05 PM (mjR67)

60

"The only way to stop this nonsense is to put 2 million people right outside the capital"

 

But my kids have a soccer game that weekend!  Whaaaaaaaa!

Posted by: Jaws at April 10, 2013 01:06 PM (4I3Uo)

61 My friend is a black belt and he made us laugh.  He was  asked that question and he said "I don't have much use for guns, cause I'm a black belt".  He said the doctor took two steps back.

Posted by: Caustic at April 10, 2013 01:06 PM (/b8+5)

62 They're giving you a chance to not have any real changes in the way this stuff works. Why not take it? Because I am very, very lonely

Posted by: The Hill to Die On at April 10, 2013 01:06 PM (mowrH)

63 sure he did

Posted by: phoenixgirl at April 10, 2013 01:06 PM (GVxQo)

64

Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at April 10, 2013 01:06 PM (/PCJa)

65

In once more to point out that Background Checks = Registration.

 

That is all.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at April 10, 2013 01:07 PM (/PCJa)

66 We will never win against the "Free Shit Army", because they will never engage us in a straight-up fight.  They just keep nipping at our heals, just to draw blood, but never engage.  Just as Socialism never fought the USA.  Just nipping at our heals.  we're Doomed.

Posted by: Paladin at April 10, 2013 01:07 PM (QGbEp)

67 As someone has said the last few days, if the Founders were alive today, they'd already be shooting.

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes more nonsense ...... at April 10, 2013 05:01 PM (RFeQD)



And someone on the morning news thread said George and Martha Washington climbed out of their portraits in the White House and walked out.


It's difficult to believe politicians are escaping the tar and feathers treatment.

Posted by: Retread at April 10, 2013 01:07 PM (zxitI)

68 Out: Gosnell murdering human beings

In: Un-Aliving  CO2 breathing, Resource hogging, Consumerist, Responsibility hoarding Aliens

Posted by: ina_ginalship at April 10, 2013 01:07 PM (o6B4x)

69 gun trumps black belt......

Posted by: phoenixgirl at April 10, 2013 01:07 PM (GVxQo)

70 I think if doctors are to have the power to add you to the no-gun-ownership list, they should have their political affiliations and gun ownership stance listed in provider directories.

Posted by: Justamom of the LiB camp at April 10, 2013 01:08 PM (Sptt8)

71 >Heather Carolin. Oh, and, you're welcome. yeah, no, she seems underfed, sickly even

Posted by: Jones in CO at April 10, 2013 01:08 PM (8sCoq)

72 Isn't he one of those realistic, electable kind of RINOs that the Tea Party is supposed to just shut up and vote for? Any day now this guy is gonna be leading the charge to repeal Obamacare; or to stop cap and trade; or to reduce the size of government; or whatever.

Posted by: VADM(Red) Cuthbert Collingwood (Mentioned in Despatches) at April 10, 2013 01:08 PM (wGGwU)

73 Check out this pic from Mama Grizzly. Awesome. Mama Grizzly boom: Sarah Palin slams MSNBC’s ‘you didn’t birth that’ spot with awesome photo http://tinyurl.com/d6tvyuy twitchy

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 10, 2013 01:08 PM (XYSwB)

74 I'm sick and tired of being promised one thing by our betters in the GOP then them turning around and gleefully fucking me over.

And when it comes to the Constitution, I will not passively take that fucking over.
========
John Brown's Raid didn't go so well.

That's what they're counting on . . . .


Posted by: RoyalOil at April 10, 2013 01:09 PM (VjL9S)

75 Off topic, but does it take big balls to run for mayor of NYC, or just a well-photographed dick? If it's just the latter, then why doesn't some porn star guy run. I heard the name James Deen in the news re some sort of MTV drivel, doesn't that name have a nice cachet to it? Better than Tony Weener? Amiright?

Posted by: The littl shyning man at April 10, 2013 01:09 PM (PH+2B)

76

I was personally promised by jwest that there was nothing at all hinkey about this bill.

 

Wait.  What?

 

Please tell me that someone pointed out that Background Checks = Registration.  Please?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at April 10, 2013 01:09 PM (/PCJa)

77 68 Out: Gosnell murdering human beings In: Un-Aliving CO2 breathing, Resource hogging, Consumerist, Responsibility hoarding Aliens Posted by: ina_ginalship at April 10, 2013 05:07 PM (o6B4x) If only the babies were white. Then you'd have something!

Posted by: La Raza y Malik Shabazz at April 10, 2013 01:09 PM (tqLft)

78 Next up. Ammo. (You know it's coming) Posted by: Soona at April 10, 2013 05:03 PM (01pgO) "Responsible and reasonable gun owners" all agree that no one person will ever need more than seven bullets, so as a feature of Obamacare you will need a Doctor's prescription to buy ammo (after your mental health evaluation form has been filled out and cross-checked with your party affiliation).

Posted by: Hrothgar at April 10, 2013 01:09 PM (Cnqmv)

79

"You wanna see my guns?" (Rolls up sleeves) "Check these babies out."

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at April 10, 2013 01:09 PM (Z5KPR)

80 Caustic, are you going to the NY meet-up?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 10, 2013 01:10 PM (lVPtV)

81 This is just turning into one lousy fucking day. And it ain't gonna get better any time soon...

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 10, 2013 01:10 PM (tqLft)

82 66 We will never win against the "Free Shit Army", because they will never engage us in a straight-up fight. They just keep nipping at our heals, just to draw blood, but never engage. Just as Socialism never fought the USA. Just nipping at our heals. we're Doomed.

Posted by: Paladin at April 10, 2013 05:07 PM (QGbEp)


It's the go along GOP types that are the problem. Both parties want docile voters.

That's why they hate the tea party.

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at April 10, 2013 01:10 PM (AWmfW)

83 55. Ummmm, although I don't agree with his position, BurtTC is a long time poster...not a concern troll He argued his point, took his beating like a champ Point your finger, call him an asshole, and laugh but damn dude let it go

Posted by: Navycopjoe at April 10, 2013 01:10 PM (i4RhQ)

84 Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 10, 2013 05:10 PM (lVPtV)

Um...who is Caustic?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 10, 2013 01:10 PM (/WLC3)

85
yeah, no, she seems underfed, sickly even

Posted by: Jones in CO at April 10, 2013 05:08 PM (8sCoq)



Yeah, it's hard to find a dirty porn star that's just naturally HOT.  They mostly look all dirty and porn starish.  And I love porn.

Posted by: © Sponge at April 10, 2013 01:10 PM (xmcEQ)

86 they can make all the laws they want I don't have to obey them

Posted by: Jones in CO at April 10, 2013 01:10 PM (8sCoq)

87 Do   the   batteries   go   into   my   hearing   aids   or   my   Depends?  

Posted by: David Letterman at April 10, 2013 01:10 PM (wIgpo)

88

I saw the Bloomberg ad this morning at about 9:00.  Philly TV station. 

 

I really need to know why all the conservatives are so freaked out at Pat Toomey over this.  He's a solid conservative but PA is a Blue state.  Toomey's next election will be in 2016, a Presidential year.  He may be the #1 target for Democrats. 

 

Maybe he knows the House will not pass this bill.  But he can massively defang the Left by supporting it.  It's not like Democrats never do stuff like this to help their vulnerable Senators, knowing full well that the bill won't go anywhere. 

Posted by: rockmom at April 10, 2013 01:11 PM (Q4elb)

89 Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at April 10, 2013 05:09 PM (/PCJa)


Allen, this is "common sense legislation" and who could be against that?  At least that's what we were scolded this morning.

Posted by: DangerGirl @deadlyestrogen at April 10, 2013 01:11 PM (GrtrJ)

90 Dear MSNBC, if our kids belong to you, do your kids belong to us too? If so, can we take them hunting after church in our big pickup truck? ~Sarah

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 10, 2013 01:11 PM (XYSwB)

91 charlie the catpiss troll gotham princess.....

Posted by: phoenixgirl at April 10, 2013 01:11 PM (GVxQo)

92 77 68 Out: Gosnell murdering human beings

In: Un-Aliving CO2 breathing, Resource hogging, Consumerist, Responsibility hoarding Aliens
Posted by: ina_ginalship at April 10, 2013 05:07 PM (o6B4x)


If only the babies were white. Then you'd have something!

Damn Kid Frost you got me...

This is for La Raza

In: Un-Aliving Melonen challenged, CO2 breathing, Resource hogging, Consumerist, Responsibility hoarding Aliens

Posted by: ina_ginalship at April 10, 2013 01:11 PM (o6B4x)

93 So now I need to sniff out my doc's position on the 2nd before I'll have a candid discussion with him? Yeah, that's going to work out well.

Posted by: Todd W at April 10, 2013 04:50 PM (wf3Kt)

 

If there is a plus side my Doc seems to be anti-Obama.  At the very least anti-Obamacare.  But most probably also anti-Obama so I think I'm safe.

I've made no bones about the fact that I hate the SCOAMF and he hasn't said "boo." Yet.

The worst he's said is "I hate them all."

Posted by: tsrblke at April 10, 2013 01:11 PM (GaqMa)

94 Ummmmmm, just thought I'd drop in, ahhhhhhhh to say. Fuck you proles. Hahahahahahahaha

Posted by: Preznit Urkel X at April 10, 2013 01:11 PM (jucos)

95

He's a solid conservative but PA is a Blue state.

 

It's a blue state that is very pro gun (or, historically has been, I don't know if it is now or not), meaning standing up against further infringement of our 2A rights would be a win for him, not a loss.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at April 10, 2013 01:12 PM (/PCJa)

96 Toomey's next election will be in 2016, ======== And being cowered by ads more than 3 years before your election makes you a _______?

Posted by: Jay at April 10, 2013 01:12 PM (WSgyE)

97 Believing that the government would infringe upon your 2nd amendment rights is an obvious sign of paranoid delusions of the type that should land you on the list.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at April 10, 2013 01:13 PM (+lsX1)

98 This will LOWER healthcare costs by reducing doctors visits by right wingers. They will get sicker and that means fewer wing nutz at the polls! Win win!

Posted by: Yes, this is a fucking joke. at April 10, 2013 01:13 PM (q177U)

99

Allen, this is "common sense legislation" and who could be against that? At least that's what we were scolded this morning.

 

Oi.  If it were so "common sense" why did no one think of it before?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at April 10, 2013 01:13 PM (/PCJa)

100 96 Toomey's next election will be in 2016,

========

And being cowered by ads more than 3 years before your election makes you a _______?

"Un-Alive!"

Posted by: ina_ginalship at April 10, 2013 01:13 PM (o6B4x)

101 >Yeah, it's hard to find a dirty porn star that's just naturally HOT that's why I liked Kate U- she seems the picture of robust healthy girl next door whatever but if she consorts with P Dickhead or whatever the fuck he's calling himself this year, I gotta question her mental acuity and powers of judgement

Posted by: Jones in CO at April 10, 2013 01:13 PM (8sCoq)

102 76 I was personally promised by jwest that there was nothing at all hinkey about this bill.

Wait. What?

Please tell me that someone pointed out that Background Checks = Registration. Please?
==========
What can you tell the guy that claims his insider knowledge from guys in the NRA trumps the public statement put out by the NRA?

Posted by: RoyalOil at April 10, 2013 01:13 PM (VjL9S)

103

"Maybe he knows the House will not pass this bill. But he can massively defang the Left by supporting it. It's not like Democrats never do stuff like this to help their vulnerable Senators, knowing full well that the bill won't go anywhere."

 

Wanna know what this too-clever-by-half political gambling results in when it goes wrong?

 

A federal income tax that eats half your life.

 

The games have to stop. 

Posted by: Jaws at April 10, 2013 01:14 PM (4I3Uo)

104 Believing that the government would infringe upon your 2nd amendment rights is an obvious sign of paranoid delusions of the type that should land you on the list. Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at April 10, 2013 05:13 PM (+lsX1) Hahahahah!!!!!

Posted by: Eaton Cox at April 10, 2013 01:14 PM (q177U)

105 88 Posted by: rockmom at April 10, 2013 05:11 PM (Q4elb) This is playing games. Elections have virtually no consequence anymore, especially when laws and regulations are passed that empower the federal bureaucracy - forever. If stopping something dead in its tracks, or at least derailing it for a period of time means losing an election, then that is the price to pay. What good is having Toomey re-elected when passing laws that pave the way to the abolishing of the 2nd amendment and making 8 million new Democrat voters are enacted in exchange? Again, I'm sick of gamesmanship and kabuki theatre. We need a party of Margaret Thatchers. Now.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 10, 2013 01:14 PM (tqLft)

106 And being cowered by ads more than 3 years before your election makes you a _______? Ooh! Oooooh! I know!! I know!

Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 10, 2013 01:14 PM (mowrH)

107 85. Lisa Ann Stupid hot back in her youth Stupid hot now

Posted by: Navycopjoe at April 10, 2013 01:14 PM (i4RhQ)

108 Please tell me that someone pointed out that Background Checks = Registration. Please?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at April 10, 2013 05:09 PM (/PCJa)

 

 

---------------------------------------------

 

 

Most of us did.  But there were a few who showed concern.  Deep concern.

Posted by: Soona at April 10, 2013 01:14 PM (01pgO)

109 I really need to know why all the conservatives are so freaked out at Pat Toomey over this. ================== Because its bullshit. Nothing in this bill will prevent any crime. Everything in the bill enables more government data gathering on the purchase and distribution of firearms. Additionally, PA may be a blue state but it is very, very pro gun the PA purchase policy w is: Walk into a gun shop in Pennsylvania and within minutes, you can walk back out again with as many guns as you can afford, including assault rifles. So I need to know WHY IN THE HELL IS TOOMEY DOING THIS?

Posted by: Jay at April 10, 2013 01:14 PM (WSgyE)

110 21 I'm sick and tired of being promised one thing by our betters in the GOP then them turning around and gleefully fucking me over. What state do you live in? Are you a member of your republican committee? It's embarrassingly easy to become a state committee person.

Posted by: Truman North at April 10, 2013 01:15 PM (vfrk4)

111

What can you tell the guy that claims his insider knowledge from guys in the NRA trumps the public statement put out by the NRA?

 

My brain hurts.

 

Isn't jwest the same one who assures us that UAVs would be fully able to replace actual piloted aircraft (especially fighters) if we'd just do it?  Or am I mixing him up w/ someone else?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at April 10, 2013 01:15 PM (/PCJa)

112 Please tell me that someone pointed out that Background Checks = Registration. Please?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at April 10, 2013 05:09 PM (/PCJa)



Jay did a good job pointing all of that out.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde at April 10, 2013 01:15 PM (yh0zB)

113 96 Toomey's next election will be in 2016,

========

And being cowered by ads more than 3 years before your election makes you a _______?

Posted by: Jay at April 10, 2013 05:12 PM (WSgyE)


Yeah, sounds like a phony excuse. He's corrupt.


Posted by: Temper Tantrum at April 10, 2013 01:15 PM (AWmfW)

114 Clearly, since Republicans have now found an issue we can pummel Democrats with and scare the living shit out of them, we need to fold as soon as possible.

Even though "expanded background checks" sounds good, it's the first step to outlawing private firearm sales.

They don't call us the Stupid Party for nothing, and I'm incredibly disappointed with Pat Toomey.  Hell, I think Arlen Specter would have been too scared to have been the front man on this bill.

Democrats are going to get slaughtered on gun control in 2014, especially in the Red States, UNLESS Republicans throw them a life preserver.

Posted by: McAdams at April 10, 2013 01:15 PM (xgAmd)

115 Um...who is Caustic?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 10, 2013 05:10 PM (/WLC3



curious.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 10, 2013 01:16 PM (lVPtV)

116 the catpiss troll gotham princess.....

Posted by: phoenixgirl at April 10, 2013 05:11 PM (GVxQo)

That's what I thought.

Well, it's welcome to join us, but it will be a rough ride.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 10, 2013 01:16 PM (/WLC3)

117 "Maybe he knows the House will not pass this bill. ========= That type of thinking worked out swell when Mass sent Sen Brown to the US Senate specifically to stop ObamaCare, didn't it?

Posted by: Jay at April 10, 2013 01:16 PM (WSgyE)

118 So I need to know WHY IN THE HELL IS TOOMEY DOING THIS?

Posted by: Jay at April 10, 2013 05:14 PM (WSgyE)


Ruling class tyrant wannabe.

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at April 10, 2013 01:17 PM (AWmfW)

119 Well, it's welcome to join us, but it will be a rough ride.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 10, 2013 05:16 PM (/WLC3



Heh.  Don't forget, she keeps "dossiers" on the Horde. 

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 10, 2013 01:17 PM (lVPtV)

120 In the future, the DSM will add wanting a gun as a certifiable mental disorder, but remove pedophilia/paraphilia as being one. Because, progress!

Posted by: LizLem at April 10, 2013 01:17 PM (8wqqE)

121 >Additionally, PA may be a blue state but it is very, very pro gun BFD PA hasn't voted for a Rep for Prez since '88

Posted by: Jones in CO at April 10, 2013 01:18 PM (8sCoq)

122 If it were so "common sense" why did no one think of it before? Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at April 10, 2013 05:13 PM (/PCJa) Because all the great thinkers were busy trying to repair the damage done to the country by George Bush. Now that Obama has saved the economy, won world admiration for statesmanship, created a billion new jobs, and invested in renewable energy for the future, we can turn our laser focus on the real problems of the US which is citizens that actually believe the Constitution had some original intent.

Posted by: Hrothgar at April 10, 2013 01:18 PM (Cnqmv)

123 " Un-Aliving it's the new primary"

Posted by: ina_ginalship at April 10, 2013 01:18 PM (o6B4x)

124 Thinking you need a gun automatically makes you unqualified to have one. 

Posted by: Joseph Heller at April 10, 2013 01:18 PM (mjR67)

125 jane i don't think it remembers what a dossier is anymore.......it's little brain is a sieve.....

Posted by: phoenixgirl at April 10, 2013 01:18 PM (GVxQo)

126 My favorite from the morning was Chi-Town Jerry more or less accusing us of delighting in the deaths of kids 'cause we didn't support this reasonable, non-intrusive measure.

It got even better as he tried to spin this a a HUGE victory for the Republicans if only us backward enablers of child-killers would get on board.

Posted by: RoyalOil at April 10, 2013 01:18 PM (VjL9S)

127 So I need to know WHY IN THE HELL IS TOOMEY DOING THIS?

Posted by: Jay at April 10, 2013 05:14 PM (WSgyE)


-------------------


Because these people are not on our side.  We thought they were but we were wrong.  They are on only one side - their own.  They are bought and paid for and they are raking in the profits.  None of these laws will ever effect them - ever.  What do they care?  They are living like kings and their profits will only expand.  They are not worth a bucket of warm spit.

Posted by: mama winger at April 10, 2013 01:19 PM (P6QsQ)

128 Look, Obama's gun proposal is underwater at 45/52. PA has the 2nd most licensed hunters in America behind Texas. There are a shit load of guns in PA. There is no registration, waiting period, AWB, heck the law is silent on open carry. If Toomey is afraid of these silly ads (I've seen them every day for the past 2 weeks) then he needs to freakin' resign because he doesn't understand the state he is representing.

Posted by: Jay at April 10, 2013 01:19 PM (WSgyE)

129 Heh. Don't forget, she keeps "dossiers" on the Horde. Where do I send my mug shot?

Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 10, 2013 01:19 PM (mowrH)

130 Well, I'm actually feeling a little better now.

At least my gang-banging has gone from a gang of 8, to 2.

Posted by: The Constitution at April 10, 2013 01:19 PM (j3UIr)

131 With dickhead Toomey  onboard  with this crap bill, is a Republican filibuster still a possibility? I hope Rand, Cruz, and Lee are still for it. And as of yesterday we   even had McConnell onboard with  a filibuster.

Posted by: Aslan's Girl at April 10, 2013 01:19 PM (KL49F)

132 That's what I thought.

Well, it's welcome to join us, but it will be a rough ride.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 10, 2013 05:16 PM (/WLC3)



Don't forget....she's claimed in the past to have stalked a previous NYC meetup.  Watch for someone talking into their purse.

Posted by: Tami[/i] at April 10, 2013 01:19 PM (X6akg)

133 PA hasn't voted for a Rep for Prez since '88 Yet they have 1 R senator, an R Gov and an R state legislature.

Posted by: Jay at April 10, 2013 01:19 PM (WSgyE)

134 124 Thinking you need a gun automatically makes you unqualified to have one. Posted by: Joseph Heller at April 10, 2013 05:18 PM (mjR67) You must be crazy to want to willingly leave the paradise that is the Soviet Union. We'll have to put you in a psychiatric ward... (HINT-HINT)

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 10, 2013 01:20 PM (tqLft)

135 Alright: back to working at work.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at April 10, 2013 01:20 PM (/PCJa)

136 Where do I send my mug shot?

Posted by: Sean Bannion

***

 

I have a pic for her. Heh.

Posted by: Mr. Weiner at April 10, 2013 01:20 PM (uhftQ)

137 It's a blue state that is very pro gun (or, historically has been, I don't know if it is now or not), meaning standing up against further infringement of our 2A rights would be a win for him, not a loss.

 

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at April 10, 2013 05:12 PM (/PCJa)

 

The 100% precincts in Philly are not full of (legal) gun owners.  The problem is that the gun-owning, God-fearing parts of PA get overwhelmed at the polls in Presidential years by the LIVs in Philly and Pittsburgh and the soccer moms in the suburbs who think guns are icky.  I'm not saying I like that, but it's the reality Toomey will face in 2016.   He would not have been reelected in 2012 if he had been on the ballot. 

 

Obama is flogging the hell out of this gun issue and he is still pretty damn popular in PA.  I don't think the Bloomberg ads matter much to Toomey as much as possible ads in 2016 telling people that "Pat Toomey stood in the way of President Obama's sensible legislation to help stop gun violence by closing the loopholes in the background check rules."  Now those ads can't be run.  They'll have to find another way to paint Toomey as a Crazy Racist Teabagger. 

Posted by: rockmom at April 10, 2013 01:20 PM (Q4elb)

138 toomey should be recalled by the people of PA. STAT.

Posted by: Aslan's Girl at April 10, 2013 01:20 PM (KL49F)

139 134 124 Thinking you need a gun automatically makes you unqualified to have one.
Posted by: Joseph Heller at April 10, 2013 05:18 PM (mjR67)



You must be crazy to want to willingly leave the paradise that is the Soviet Union. We'll have to put you in a psychiatric ward...

(HINT-HINT)

.......or the K-word ward.

Posted by: ina_ginalship at April 10, 2013 01:20 PM (o6B4x)

140 136 I have a pic for her. Heh. Posted by: Mr. Weiner at April 10, 2013 05:20 PM (uhftQ) Hey! I remember you from "The Groove Tube!"

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 10, 2013 01:21 PM (tqLft)

141 tami it's not allowed to leave the ward without it's straight jacket and handler....easily identifiable

Posted by: phoenixgirl at April 10, 2013 01:21 PM (GVxQo)

142 They are not worth a bucket of warm spit. Posted by: mama winger at April 10, 2013 05:19 PM (P6QsQ) Their primary concern is the perpetuation of a ruling class that has them in it. We are just peons that pay the freight, and occasionally get in the way of real reform!

Posted by: Hrothgar at April 10, 2013 01:21 PM (Cnqmv)

143 Alright: back to working at work.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at April 10, 2013 05:20 PM (/PCJa)



Hell of a way to make a living...

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde at April 10, 2013 01:21 PM (yh0zB)

144 PLanned Parenthood new slogan

" We don't Un-Alive babies because they have a healing factor!"

Posted by: ina_ginalship at April 10, 2013 01:22 PM (o6B4x)

145
128 Look, Obama's gun proposal is underwater at 45/52.

PA has the 2nd most licensed hunters in America behind Texas. There are a shit load of guns in PA. There is no registration, waiting period, AWB, heck the law is silent on open carry.

If Toomey is afraid of these silly ads (I've seen them every day for the past 2 weeks) then he needs to freakin' resign because he doesn't understand the state he is representing.

Posted by: Jay at April 10, 2013 05:19 PM (WSgyE)


It's like the GOP selected Toomy here so the REPUBLICAN voters should forget his betrayal till 2016.

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at April 10, 2013 01:22 PM (AWmfW)

146 Well, it's welcome to join us, but it will be a rough ride.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 10, 2013 05:16 PM (/WLC3)

That'll happen when you have to scrape off the scabs to get her lubed up.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider at April 10, 2013 01:22 PM (fwARV)

147 Hey! I remember you from "The Groove Tube!"

Posted by: J.J. Sefton

***

 

The good old days before I was reduced to Twitter appearences.

Posted by: Mr. Weiner at April 10, 2013 01:22 PM (uhftQ)

148 CNN has all the answers:/sarc Federal law prohibits selling guns to felons or the mentally ill. Background checks are the only way to enforce that law. So, besides criminals and the insane, who could possibly oppose universal background checks? Gun manufacturers. They are the ones who call the shots at the NRA, and they are the most important people in the opposition. The manufacturers don't want anything that interferes with total gun sales and profits. Background checks would impose a minor burden on gun transactions, but more importantly, limit the size of the market (and therefore, profits) in two ways. The direct loss of profit comes because closing the current gaping loophole in the background check system will shut off sales to criminals and the mentally ill who are effectively free to buy all the guns they want at gun shows and through private transactions. But there is also an indirect loss of profit: Cutting off sales to the mentally ill and criminals will reduce crime and thereby reduce the public's demand for guns for self-protection. The gun manufacturers saw gun sales plummet during the dark days of the Clinton administration when crime dropped sharply every year. The 42% drop in the murder rate from 1993 to 2000 was a nightmare for gun sellers. Nothing scares the NRA as much as a sense of calm and safety in the public.

Posted by: tasker at April 10, 2013 01:23 PM (r2PLg)

149 ok, if this turd sandwich passes, be sure to lie to your dr (but of course, thanks to Obamacare, you'll never get an appointment again, so its probably moot)...

Posted by: Obama is an idiot at April 10, 2013 01:23 PM (bT79U)

150 146 That'll happen when you have to scrape off the scabs to get her lubed up. Posted by: Washington Nearsider at April 10, 2013 05:22 PM (fwARV) I remember that bit from "The Aristocrats." Or something about the calloused heel of a dockworker...

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 10, 2013 01:23 PM (tqLft)

151 Now those ads can't be run. They'll have to find another way to paint Toomey as a Crazy Racist Teabagger.
==========
He's a Republican, yes?

Dumbass is too dense to realize those ads have already been shot and are in the can waiting for 2016?

Yup, he's a Republican.

Posted by: RoyalOil at April 10, 2013 01:24 PM (VjL9S)

152

"Well, it's welcome to join us, but it will be a rough ride.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 10, 2013 05:16 PM (/WLC3)

That'll happen when you have to scrape off the scabs to get her lubed up."

 

Aw, man1  I'm throwing a flag on that play.  Personal foul - too gross for AoS.  15 yards and loss of lunch.

Posted by: Jaws at April 10, 2013 01:24 PM (4I3Uo)

153 If Toomey is afraid of these silly ads (I've seen them every day for the past 2 weeks) then he needs to freakin' resign because he doesn't understand the state he is representing.

 

Posted by: Jay at April 10, 2013 05:19 PM (WSgyE)

 

He understands what the electorate in Pennsylvania looked like and voted like in 2012 and will again in 2016.  Hint: it's NOT THE SAME as the one that elected him and Tom Corbett in 2010. 

 

Why are Republicans favored to pick up a bunch of Senate seats in 2014?  Because a bunch of Democrats were elected on Obama's coattails in 2008 and the electorates in those states will be far less Democratic in 2014.  Toomey has the opposite problem. 

 

Republicans made the mistake (myself included) in 2008 and 2012 of thinking we could carry Pennsylvania because of all those gun owners.  Democrats registered A MILLION NEW VOTERS in this state in 2008.  And apparently got every damned one of them to the polls then and again last year.  And they will do it again in 2016. 

Posted by: rockmom at April 10, 2013 01:25 PM (Q4elb)

154 That'll happen when you have to scrape off the scabs to get her lubed up. THIS is how I know you were military. I salute you, Sir. PRESENT, Arms!

Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 10, 2013 01:25 PM (mowrH)

155 I'll just have to buy my firearms illegally. Or as Newsweek would say: "We're all Crips now..."

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 10, 2013 01:25 PM (tqLft)

156 Kate Upton sucking face with P Dummy? I no longer like her anymore......... ok, maybe I still do but I would think twice about giving her the high hard one........ ok, well I would try to make her feel stupid for such an indescretion.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at April 10, 2013 01:25 PM (jucos)

157 The gun manufacturers saw gun sales plummet during the dark days of the Clinton administration when crime dropped sharply every year. The 42% drop in the murder rate from 1993 to 2000 was a nightmare for gun sellers. Nothing scares the NRA as much as a sense of calm and safety in the public.

Posted by: tasker at April 10, 2013 05:23 PM (r2PLg)



And you all think there's a bias in media.

Posted by: © Sponge at April 10, 2013 01:25 PM (xmcEQ)

158 152 Aw, man1 I'm throwing a flag on that play. Personal foul - too gross for AoS. 15 yards and loss of lunch. Posted by: Jaws at April 10, 2013 05:24 PM (4I3Uo) NOTHING is too gross for this site...

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 10, 2013 01:26 PM (tqLft)

159 155 I'll just have to buy my firearms illegally.

Or as Newsweek would say: "We're all Crips now..."

Don't be bigoted some of us can be Bloods

Posted by: ina_ginalship at April 10, 2013 01:26 PM (o6B4x)

160 Please, House GOP, kill this bullshit. I mean, I'm not even suggesting anything else actually get accomplished, fucking let el Presidente del norte de México spend another $10 trillion over budget, just stop this shit.

Posted by: joeindc44 says we should not stand up for this issue, let us redraw our lines at April 10, 2013 01:26 PM (QxSug)

161 Sorry. Waited til late in the thread. Vikings just pissed me off. How did a medieval English Lord of Northumbria get a pit of African and South American snakes. Indy Jones ripoff in Vikings of all places? It is not as though medieval royalty was uncreative in killing people. Hell, they excelled at it.

Posted by: Beagle at April 10, 2013 01:26 PM (sOtz/)

162 Obama is flogging the hell out of this gun issue and he is still pretty damn popular in PA. I don't think the Bloomberg ads matter much to Toomey as much as possible ads in 2016 telling people that "Pat Toomey stood in the way of President Obama's sensible legislation to help stop gun violence by closing the loopholes in the background check rules." Now those ads can't be run. They'll have to find another way to paint Toomey as a Crazy Racist Teabagger.

Posted by: rockmom at April 10, 2013 05:20 PM (Q4elb)


You believe that.

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at April 10, 2013 01:26 PM (AWmfW)

163 NOTHING is too gross for this site... If we can tolerate a Gosnell post, then really, NOTHING is to over the top.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 10, 2013 01:27 PM (mowrH)

164 137 Posted by: rockmom at April 10, 2013 05:20 PM (Q4elb) I think this makes the most sense of any explanation I've seen.

Posted by: rickl at April 10, 2013 01:27 PM (zoehZ)

165 here it is, Obama's dream "el Presidente de las provincias del norte americanos de México"

Posted by: joeindc44 says we should not stand up for this issue, let us redraw our lines at April 10, 2013 01:27 PM (QxSug)

166 And you all think there's a bias in media. Posted by: © Sponge at April 10, 2013 05:25 PM (xmcEQ) _____________ It's pretty gross. I love that little Clinton shout out too.

Posted by: tasker at April 10, 2013 01:27 PM (r2PLg)

167 OK, I've had enough. It's 86 degrees, the sun is shining and the car needs its wheels exercised. Later roonz and roonettez!

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde at April 10, 2013 01:27 PM (yh0zB)

168 This common-sense betrayal of our national heritage and values is in aim of establishing common-sense totalitarianism. AKA "peasants, start digging now and avoid the rush!"

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile[/i][/b][/s] at April 10, 2013 01:27 PM (bxiXv)

169 That'll happen when you have to scrape off the scabs to get her lubed up.

THIS is how I know you were military. I salute you, Sir.

PRESENT, Arms!

Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 10, 2013 05:25 PM (mowrH)

As you were.  Carry on, boys. 

Posted by: Washington Nearsider at April 10, 2013 01:27 PM (fwARV)

170 and maybe if Romney had tried some eevviillllllll GOP scare tactics, like the kind we used to use when we'd win, like calling obama a gungrabbing sunofabitch, we'd have gotten more votes too. you know.

Posted by: joeindc44 says we should not stand up for this issue, let us redraw our lines at April 10, 2013 01:28 PM (QxSug)

171 163 NOTHING is too gross for this site...

If we can tolerate a Gosnell post, then really, NOTHING is to over the top.



Did someone say Gosnell post......

Planned Parenthoos

"We don't Un-Alive Babies we just pack them in jars"

Posted by: ina_ginalship at April 10, 2013 01:28 PM (o6B4x)

172 "...she keeps dossiers on the Horde." So, she has it saved somewhere that I'm a white, heterosexual, pro-life, pro-constitution, freedom loving, Christian male who sadly lost the only firearm he ever owned in a tragic ice fishing accident thirty years ago and just haven't had the heart to replace it.

Posted by: teej at April 10, 2013 01:28 PM (e0nsQ)

173

Posted by: ina_ginalship at April 10, 2013 05:22 PM (o6B4x)

Abortion: It's for the children!

Posted by: LizLem at April 10, 2013 01:28 PM (8wqqE)

174 32 Heather Radish,

we need an underground counter culture.

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at April 10, 2013 01:28 PM (LRFds)

175 Time to prep dinner. 1-House salad 2-Pasta Aglio-Olio 3-Vino bianco. 4-Dark chocolate covered almonds 5-"Downton Abbey"

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 10, 2013 01:28 PM (tqLft)

176 The reckoning.  It's getting closer and closer.  The progressives are pushing harder and harder.

Posted by: Soona at April 10, 2013 01:28 PM (01pgO)

177 On a personal note, just got my first, Long Gun permit today in NYC. Mixed feelings. Great of course to finally get it (had to go back and get paperwork on a 1981 youthful indiscretion that was actually dismissed, but even "sealed" records are visible to the Gun Police). While glad to have the permit, another part of me actually feels a little dirty (complicit) for acknowledging the authority they claim to represent, which in my view already tramples on my Constitutional rights. Anyhow, will probably be joining the West Side range to get some instruction, and try out a lever action carbine (something I've always wanted). And yes, I will have a gun safe.

Posted by: NYC Parent at April 10, 2013 01:29 PM (HEo6y)

178 4-Dark chocolate covered almonds ************ Damn it! I have been craving those all day.

Posted by: tasker at April 10, 2013 01:29 PM (r2PLg)

179 At least Senator Nelson held out for a $500 million dollar bribe for his state in exchange for his ObamaCare vote. Senator Toomey (R-Pathetic) begged the librulz to stop being mean to him...

Posted by: Jay at April 10, 2013 01:30 PM (WSgyE)

180 Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 10, 2013 05:28 PM (tqLft) Don't skimp on the garlic.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 10, 2013 01:30 PM (mowrH)

181 88 Rockmom,

Uh it's the 2d amendment, we just mainstreamed "just one more fix"

Screw it I am sending money to the democrat first time in my life.

I am not kidding.

Goodbye Pat...

you're my spring project when the time comes.

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at April 10, 2013 01:31 PM (LRFds)

182 177 Posted by: NYC Parent at April 10, 2013 05:29 PM (HEo6y) Hey! You coming to the meet-up tomorrow? I'm a bit peeved at the West Side Range. They've all but forgotten me. Then again, I should go down there and bug them. Anyway: Fiddlesticks, 56 Greenwich Ave, New York, NY

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 10, 2013 01:31 PM (tqLft)

183 180 Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 10, 2013 05:28 PM (tqLft) Don't skimp on the garlic. Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 10, 2013 05:30 PM (mowrH) I use 20 cloves at a minimum. Sometimes I even crush up a few extra and put them in just as the hot pepper flakes are added but before the pasta water.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 10, 2013 01:32 PM (tqLft)

184 175 Time to prep dinner.

1-House salad

2-Pasta Aglio-Olio

3-Vino bianco.

4-Dark chocolate covered almonds

5-"Downton Abbey"


JJ you forgot the

6-14 year old Oban Scotch

7-Illegal contraband Cuban cigar (remember dominican republic is not cuba)

8-and some trim


Posted by: ina_ginalship at April 10, 2013 01:32 PM (o6B4x)

185 The gun manufacturers saw gun sales plummet during the dark days of the Clinton administration when crime dropped sharply every year. The 42% drop in the murder rate from 1993 to 2000 was a nightmare for gun sellers. Nothing scares the NRA as much as a sense of calm and safety in the public. ============== The murder rate now is even lower than in 2000, yet gun sales are off the charts and so are applications for CCW's. These people really are mentally retarded.

Posted by: Jay at April 10, 2013 01:33 PM (WSgyE)

186 The funny thing is, some of them really think they're pushing for peace and freedom, it's just that unlike the last 20 times, when they got war and servitude, this one will WORK!

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile[/i][/b][/s] at April 10, 2013 01:33 PM (bxiXv)

187 95 Allen G,

that was my understanding as Buckeye...

that said I am past caring.

I used to try to do positive things for other states with my political donations, I think I am going to run an experiment in PA and see if they enjoy the donkey having an even easier easy mode.

Pat a hundred bucks to your foe to start.

See ya Pat.

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at April 10, 2013 01:33 PM (LRFds)

188 I wonder what "allows" a doctor to ask certain questions means. Does it mean "doesn't prohibit" a doctor from asking about guns? (A doctor is a free person and can ask about anything... doesn't mean a person has to answer.) Or is it "allowing" policies to be put in place by states, municipalities, or hospitals, that require doctors to ask about guns?

Posted by: Synova at April 10, 2013 01:34 PM (XKEoF)

189 184 6-14 year old Oban Scotch 7-Illegal contraband Cuban cigar (remember dominican republic is not cuba) 8-and some trim Posted by: ina_ginalship at April 10, 2013 05:32 PM (o6B4x) Can't drink scotch (gout-prone) but I do have some incredible Cuban fatties that I obtained in Costa Rica. As for trim, the wife will be joining me...

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 10, 2013 01:34 PM (tqLft)

190 CNN are just a bunch of scumbag lying journalists anyway. http://politicalhat.com/2013/03/19/gun-control-in-one-chart/

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile[/i][/b][/s] at April 10, 2013 01:34 PM (bxiXv)

191 Posted by: Jay at April 10, 2013 05:30 PM (WSgyE) To be fair, Toomey is at a disadvantage here because he's a Republican (thus stupid)!

Posted by: Hrothgar at April 10, 2013 01:35 PM (Cnqmv)

192 The 42% drop in the murder rate from 1993 to 2000 was a nightmare for gun sellers ========= The state of Florida has a backlog of CCW permit applications, and the violent crime rate is as low as it was 40 years ago. I wonder if there is the slightest bit of intellectual curiosity at CNN?

Posted by: Jay at April 10, 2013 01:35 PM (WSgyE)

193 188 I wonder what "allows" a doctor to ask certain questions means.

It means he can ask if you have sand in your vagina or do you own a gun.

Posted by: ina_ginalship at April 10, 2013 01:35 PM (o6B4x)

194 This is all so depressing. Seriously who the hell is gonna dare tell their doctor if they are depressed. I know I never will, especially here in Maryland. Stupid liberals.

Posted by: Spypeach at April 10, 2013 01:35 PM (6xG9/)

195 190 CNN are just a bunch of scumbag lying journalists anyway. http://politicalhat.com/2013/03/19/gun-control-in-one-chart/ Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile at April 10, 2013 05:34 PM (bxiXv) A triple redundancy.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 10, 2013 01:36 PM (tqLft)

196 Think about how perverse reality is...you can't demand to have to give permission for a daughter to get an abortion but your doc can act like the fucking Abwehr...

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at April 10, 2013 01:36 PM (LRFds)

197 In Rhode Island, you can be denied approval to purchase a firearm if you answer the question: Have you ever been treated by a psychiatrist? in the affirmative. Fear of flying, agoraphobia, PTSD after being a victim of a rape or armed robbery, or any other condition that has nothing to do with mental instability. Guilty of being a danger to society without adjudication or any other process other than the capriciousness of an apparatchik. Now imagine if your answer is yes and you are denied permission. Does the application itself indicate that you are a danger since a crazy person wanting to purchase a firearm means they be plannin' a rampage, of course. Imagine the state being able to add you to the NCIS database based on nothing other than a rejected application. Now think about what other sorts of nebulous reasons why a state might reject an application. Bad things are here, worse stuff is coming.

Posted by: The Hobo Wears Prada (Team Plover) at April 10, 2013 01:36 PM (jopHG)

198 And apparently got every damned one of them to the polls then and again last year. And they will do it again in 2016. Posted by: rockmom ============= This will not swing a single vote in Toomey's direction. It will, however, depress his base.

Posted by: Jay at April 10, 2013 01:37 PM (WSgyE)

199 Cuban cigars are incredibly cheap in Costa Rica. I bought 5 boxes of Romeo Y Juliettes that I am still nursing. I need to buy more when I go to Jamaica in August.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at April 10, 2013 01:37 PM (jucos)

200

#181 Go right ahead and help elect Senator Kathleen Kane if it will make you feel better.  That'll be just great, we retake the Senate in 2014 and then conservatives pull out on Toomey and hand it right back to the Democrats.  Wonderful strategery there. 

 

Posted by: rockmom at April 10, 2013 01:37 PM (Q4elb)

201 ...but I do have some incredible Cuban fatties that I obtained in Costa Rica.

As for trim, the wife will be joining me...



That's called livin'

Posted by: ina_ginalship at April 10, 2013 01:37 PM (o6B4x)

202 198 Jay,

Quite...no joke...

100 bucks...start a meme....

"See ya Pat"

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at April 10, 2013 01:37 PM (LRFds)

203 This is all so depressing. Seriously who the hell is gonna dare tell their doctor if they are depressed. I know I never will, especially here in Maryland. Stupid liberals. Posted by: Spypeach at April 10, 2013 05:35 PM (6xG9/) ------------------------------------------------------- I think we have a pretty good idea who and where you are.

Posted by: Martian OweMalley at April 10, 2013 01:38 PM (jucos)

204 199 Cuban cigars are incredibly cheap in Costa Rica. I bought 5 boxes of Romeo Y Juliettes that I am still nursing. I need to buy more when I go to Jamaica in August.

I travel to the UK so i get them there. Still very fresh.

Posted by: ina_ginalship at April 10, 2013 01:38 PM (o6B4x)

205 To clarify: the voters Toomey hopes to reach on this gun control issue aren't voting on that issue. They are voting on "free birth control" and government benefits. Said voters are the PGH & Philly suburbs people. They don't vote on guns. They vote on the touchy -feely shit, and Toomey will be painted as Lucifer on those issues.

Posted by: Jay at April 10, 2013 01:38 PM (WSgyE)

206 Obama wouldn't know common sense if it hit him upside his melon, in an automatic kind of way. He's a card-carrying commie with a diabolic way with words that are meant to divide, create controversy, and marginalize. The first leg of the 3 legged stool is in place, O-care, the second is this "common sense" gun control, third will be some form of the fairness doctrine, i.e., free speech. F him and his fellow democrat parasites.

Posted by: jks in the oc at April 10, 2013 01:39 PM (AnfcZ)

207 200 rockmom,

as the great warrior philosopher Hillary Clinton said, "what difference does it make?"

Because RockMom to my eyes as a lifelong Republican "very little"

You Pennsylvanians are okay with screwing my gun rights ia m okay with forcing y'all to go full donkey

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at April 10, 2013 01:39 PM (LRFds)

208 See Ya Pat

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at April 10, 2013 01:39 PM (LRFds)

209 Re. 182 NYC meet-up tomorrow Fiddlesticks, 56 Greenwich Ave, New York, NY What time? Maybe, depending on work/home needs.

Posted by: NYC Parent at April 10, 2013 01:40 PM (HEo6y)

210 IIRC, more people in PA hunt than any other state. It is a blue-ish state, but with conservative values in the middle and West. I think my dad (Allegheny County - Western PA) had to let everyone have the day off for deer hunting.

Posted by: Baldy at April 10, 2013 01:41 PM (opS9C)

211 #198 It will help him pick up votes where I live, in the Philly suburbs.  Toomey only narrowly carried my area in 2010.  I don't dispute that he is taking a risk of depressing his base.  His base isn't that strong to begin with is all I'm saying.  He ran well behind Corbett in 2010 and barely won.  Corbett was perceived by suburban voters as more moderate.  He is probably a long shot for reelection anyway, unless the Democrats really shit the bed with their candidate.  Which they might. 

Posted by: rockmom at April 10, 2013 01:41 PM (Q4elb)

212 210 Baldy,

Maybe that used to be the thing...mom's Air Force Retiree boyfriend was a hunter that pulled purple.

I do not care ANYMORE....

See ya Pat....

Push Pennsylvania's foot to the floor....

Let Thelma Toomey go over the cliff.

100 bucks to the donkey/

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at April 10, 2013 01:42 PM (LRFds)

213 If someone would have told me 20 years ago that I would be more accepted if I was to roll and smoke a fatty on my porch that smoke a cigarette I would have told them they were insane. The whole country is insane.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at April 10, 2013 01:42 PM (jucos)

214 This seems appropriate. Time to get a gun. http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=u5xPYyKGrSI

Posted by: Spypeach at April 10, 2013 01:43 PM (6xG9/)

215 rockmom, I agree Toomey starts out in a tough spot. I think that he could have taken a different tact here. There is a vast difference between writing a crap gun control bill, and saying he will carefully analyze the issue, and vote for cloture, etc. He didn't have to go this far.

Posted by: Jay at April 10, 2013 01:43 PM (WSgyE)

216 Ed Henry ‏@edhenryTV 1m Just in: Senate cloture vote on gun control Thursday at 11am ET

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 10, 2013 01:44 PM (piMMO)

217 Also, Hillary won PA in the 2008 Primary 54.59% to Obama's 45.41%.

Posted by: Baldy at April 10, 2013 01:44 PM (opS9C)

218 Heck, if Toomey wanted to be high profile on this issue, he could have asked McConnell to be the R bill floor manager and got a lot of TV time offering amendments to a crappy Dem bill and making principled arguments. This crap he's come up with is insane.

Posted by: Jay at April 10, 2013 01:45 PM (WSgyE)

219 211 Rockmom,

Yeah how many Blue Union Donk hunters did he just shed from the rural area near Youngstown on the other side of the border?

You go on ahead and empower eleventy D chess...

I am gonna go ahead an empower the real Democrats in Pennsylvania....

If Democrat Mike Bloomberg cowed him with some lame ads...

just wait 'til his opponent has a strangely fat warchest.

National Republicans make an example of Pat Toomey.

100 bucks for the donkey for "bi-partisanship"

Fuck you Toomey see you Pat

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at April 10, 2013 01:45 PM (LRFds)

220

I've been serious  about this  all along,  but the speed at which this country is dying is really starting to frighten me.  I've  started some hard planning as to where I'm going to go.  I certainly won't be staying in the city, even though it's as red as they come.   Still too many meth-addled crazies  and  coveteous  potheads  skulking around.

 

I think I've found a place, but I need to contact certain people for that arrangement.   I don't want to be caught unprepared.

 

Posted by: Soona at April 10, 2013 01:45 PM (01pgO)

221 213 Truck monkey,

and crazy times call for crazy measures...

support Bi-partisan politician control....

See you Pat.....

100 bucks to Pat's opponent.

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at April 10, 2013 01:46 PM (LRFds)

222 This has got to be a huge betrayal for WV and PA. You read the history of WV and its mini civil war over coal mine union busting, every family there with history is probably a huge blue dog gun nut.* Just goes to show, there's no such thing as an indpendent democrat. They're all rubber stamps. * of course, el Presidente de las provincias del norte americanos de México and company has made sure that there are plenty of new families there that have no fucking clue about WV's history. or about gun rights. Just as long as they get bussed to the polls every four years, they're good with SSI and assisted living.

Posted by: joeindc44 says we should not stand up for this issue, let us redraw our lines at April 10, 2013 01:46 PM (QxSug)

223 The whole country is insane.

At the end of the day we all know what needs to be done. It's really all about who's going to start it... and who's going to finish it.

"Un-Aliving it's the new Prince.and. the.new.....Revolution!"

Posted by: ina_ginalship at April 10, 2013 01:46 PM (o6B4x)

224 Well, it's welcome to join us, but it will be a rough ride. Blanket party? Bar of soap in a tube sock?

Posted by: rickb223 at April 10, 2013 01:47 PM (S4gsQ)

225 215 Jay,

the only answer the only ethical, moral, sane answer to the Mccain wing of the GOP is a purge.

Pat you did what you had to, and so am I.

I would nominate Bernie Sanders were he not already in office.

Hell I may buy an acre of land just to be able to vote against him legally.

Insane times call for insane plans.

Save the GOP donate to the Democrat in the PA Senate race.

See ya Pat.

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at April 10, 2013 01:48 PM (LRFds)

226 The whole country is insane. *** nope, just the ruling democrat elite and the new voters they're importing.

Posted by: joeindc44 says we should not stand up for this issue, let us redraw our lines at April 10, 2013 01:48 PM (QxSug)

227 220 Soona,

Go over to Allen G's non existent blog...

"pioneer project"

It may not start out as much but together maybe we can build something.

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at April 10, 2013 01:49 PM (LRFds)

228 A triple redundancy. Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 10, 2013 05:36 PM (tqLft) I like to be thorough.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile[/i][/b][/s] at April 10, 2013 01:49 PM (bxiXv)

229 This has got to be a huge betrayal for WV and PA. You read the history of WV and its mini civil war over coal mine union busting, every family there with history is probably a huge blue dog gun nut.*

.

Posted by: joeindc44 says we should not stand up for this issue, let us redraw our lines at April 10, 2013 05:46 PM (QxSug)


Think they think things through?


Mining and regulations and they went Obama with that threat hanging over them.


i don't care anymore. let them choke themselves with their votes

Posted by: willow at April 10, 2013 01:50 PM (nqBYe)

230 Jay, the only answer the only ethical, moral, sane answer to the Mccain wing of the GOP is a purge. ============== Given that the big "accomplishment" for the GOP since 2010 is letting tax cuts on the top 2% expire, I tend to agree.

Posted by: Jay at April 10, 2013 01:51 PM (WSgyE)

231 McConnell's office bugged.
Barry puts the screws on the docs to snitch on their patients.  I wonder if insurance reimbursements will be dependent on a snitch quota?

Welcome to Obama's Snitchocracy - a nation of informants, operatives, with Black Marias waiting at the curb.

Posted by: mrp at April 10, 2013 01:51 PM (HjPtV)

232 Is the Pioneer Project Allen's deal or someone else's he's gotten involved with?

Posted by: teej at April 10, 2013 01:51 PM (3R0Zs)

233 so i clean the barrel  spotless and ii come up for a break and read we still cannot depend on those purportedly on Our side.

Posted by: willow at April 10, 2013 01:52 PM (nqBYe)

234 come on, guys. Actively trying to pursue a popular policy path is just the sort of thing that is driving the independents to the DNC.

Posted by: joeindc44 says we should not stand up for this issue, let us redraw our lines at April 10, 2013 01:52 PM (QxSug)

235 This should be simple . I mean it's actually a RIGHT.

It is actually spelled Out why The Fathers Wrote it as a Right.

but us asking for it to remain a right is an illness?

Posted by: willow at April 10, 2013 01:53 PM (nqBYe)

236 232 teej,

It's his baby.....

I donated some money but I'm busy...I am just another voice.

Ask him about it here or there, but I want a win or two.

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at April 10, 2013 01:54 PM (LRFds)

237 Go over to Allen G's non existent blog...

"pioneer project"

It may not start out as much but together maybe we can build something.

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at April 10, 2013 05:49 PM (LRFds)

 

 

-----------------------------------------

 

 

Been there, done that.  

Posted by: Soona at April 10, 2013 01:56 PM (01pgO)

238 230 Jay,

as a matter of fact I may make ONLY donations to Democrats this cycle...

You know in "the spirit of bi-partisan compromise" since Chuck Schumer is OBVIOUSLY their best fucking friend why not hire more of Schumer's friends?

See you Pat,

Wild Elephants 2014

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at April 10, 2013 01:56 PM (LRFds)

239 OT: Onto a different amendment or two,,, "IRS claims it can read your e-mail without a warrant

The ACLU has obtained internal IRS documents that say Americans enjoy "generally no privacy" in their e-mail messages, Facebook chats, and other electronic communications." http://tinyurl.com/c3ts2pk

Posted by: Baldy at April 10, 2013 01:56 PM (opS9C)

240 234 JoeinDC,

That's right....just one more law.

Wild Elephant 2014....

GOP hit the floor like 1974.

McCain your time is up.

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at April 10, 2013 01:58 PM (LRFds)

241 rights with caveats. 
obamacare gives everyone else the right to All of our information from our health to what used to be considered normal such as owning a gun

we can see how that information in others hands will go?

weren't lists of gun owners actually put in a newspaper ?
didn't dhs make an insane list of possible terrorists , including returning soldiers ? or innocuous bible believers?
so we trust all these folks with access to data containing everything from our cancer results, to amts of children (stupid breeders) to our guns and light bulb usage?

Posted by: willow at April 10, 2013 01:58 PM (nqBYe)

242 nevermind

Posted by: willow at April 10, 2013 02:01 PM (nqBYe)

243 241 willow,

it will not stop until they can hector you from the moment you wake up until you pass out....

Wild Elephant 2014.....

Support Bi-Partisan efforts to elect radical democrats

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at April 10, 2013 02:01 PM (LRFds)

244 weren't lists of gun owners actually put in a newspaper ?
didn't dhs make an insane list of possible terrorists , including returning soldiers ? or innocuous bible believers?
so we trust all these folks with access to data containing everything from our cancer results, to amts of children (stupid breeders) to our guns and light bulb usage?

Posted by: willow at April 10, 2013 05:58 PM (nqBYe)

 

 

-----------------------------------------

 

 

This is one of numerous reasons why I think a secondary means of communication must be created.  They know what I'm typing now as I type it.  We have no privacy  expressing our  thoughts anymore.  Everything is  monitered for one reason or another.

 

It's one of the reasons I want to leave the city if  TSHTF.   We really won't be able to trust anyone as a group anymore.

Posted by: Soona at April 10, 2013 02:06 PM (01pgO)

245 The ACLU has obtained internal IRS documents that say Americans enjoy "generally no privacy" in their e-mail messages, Facebook chats, and other electronic communications." http://tinyurl.com/c3ts2pk

Posted by: Baldy at April 10, 2013 05:56 PM (opS9C)


well and what they miss they can just send a drone to check out your home  , did you paint your door a welcoming color?



hahaha 

Posted by: willow at April 10, 2013 02:06 PM (nqBYe)

246 Thanks sven. Scrolled up and found his link. Not a bad idea. Hope it flies for him. Fortunate that in my small group of totally trustworthy local friends are people of varying talents. Why do they keep me around? Well, every group needs someone in the group about whom they can say, "Bless his heart."

Posted by: teej at April 10, 2013 02:08 PM (GhSTE)

247 244 Soona,

Yup....you do notice the Senate does not give a shit about the newsies trying to get gunowners killed?

Yeah that is why I am now totally on board with the Let It burn Caucus...

If Pat Toomey is liberty's defense...

You better bet on tyranny

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at April 10, 2013 02:08 PM (LRFds)

248
This is one of numerous reasons why I think a secondary means of communication must be created. They know what I'm typing now as I type it. We have no privacy expressing our thoughts anymore. Everything is monitered for one reason or another.

It's one of the reasons I want to leave the city if TSHTF. We really won't be able to trust anyone as a group anymore.

Posted by: Soona at April 10, 2013 06:06 PM (01pgO)


string and tin can?

Posted by: willow at April 10, 2013 02:08 PM (nqBYe)

249 229 --- "Think they think things through? Mining and regulations and they went Obama with that threat hanging over them. i don't care anymore. let them choke themselves with their votes" Posted by: willow at April 10, 2013 05:50 PM (nqBYe) ------------- West Virginia did NOT go for Obama in either 2008 or 2012.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at April 10, 2013 02:09 PM (C8mVl)

250 This is why I'm not a fan of thinking in terms of Establishment vs Grassroots, it really is meaningless.

Toomey was the outsider insurgent against Arlen Specter when he first ran.  I of course prefer Toomey, but once these "pure" conservatives get in office, they're going to compromise depending more on the state the state they represent than their convictions.  Rubio is the same way, he was the pure Tea Party guy, until he got elected and is now the front man for Amnesty that now sounds like some sort of Northeastern Republican that's been in office for 30 years.

If a Republican comes from a blue or purple state, prepared to get fucked over.  The question is, do you want to get fucked over 100% of the time by a Leftard in the mold of Chuck Schumer, or 20% of the time by a Scott Brown Republican.  I'll take 20% of the time in the blue and purple states, and try to get the other 25 or so Red States to elect Republicans like Jim DeMint instead of Lyndsey Graham.

The big mistake Toomey is making is that PA is a Blue State, but it's not "Blue" on guns. 


Posted by: McAdams at April 10, 2013 02:11 PM (xgAmd)

251 can't tell you how srsly i am disappointed in our representation from the president  to our side of the aisle.

and i never want to hear another supposed left citizens  talk about the constitution while rolling over for the biggest slap to american citizens freedoms ever.

Posted by: willow at April 10, 2013 02:11 PM (nqBYe)

252 "so we trust all these folks with access to data containing everything from our cancer results, to amts of children (stupid breeders) to our guns and light bulb usage?"

Every so often, Glenn Reynolds puts up a link to a "scientific" study by a hither-to unknown group which states that being conservative is a mental illness.  Another will state that being devoutly religious is some sort of psychosis.  

Posted by: mrp at April 10, 2013 02:11 PM (HjPtV)

253 249 Margarita DeVille,

No ma'am they elected legislators who empowered him...

PA went full Tard...

I may have plans for W VA too....

I'm thinking Mad Man Manchin needs a hundred bucks...

since y'all love him so much

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at April 10, 2013 02:12 PM (LRFds)

254

GOP Politician: These betrayals all go to eleven. Look, right across the board, eleven, eleven, eleven and... 

Poor Deluded Conservative Voter: Oh, I see. And most parties go in up to ten? 

GOPP: Exactly.  PDCV: Does that mean it's worse? Is it any worse?  GOPP: Well, it's one worse, isn't it? It's not ten. You see, most pols, you know, will be betraying at ten. You're on ten here, all the way in, all the way in, all the way in, you're at ten on your penis of betrayal. Where can you go from there? Where?  PDCV: I don't know.  GOPP: Nowhere. Exactly. What we do is, if we need that extra thrust between our voters' buttocks, you know what we do?  PDCV: Put it in up to eleven?  GOPP: Eleven. Exactly. One worse.  PDCV: Why don't you just make ten worse and make ten be the top betrayal and make that a little worse?  GOPP: We go to eleven.

Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at April 10, 2013 02:12 PM (FsqHK)

255 2008 potus campaign, Obama's rally: "If they bring knives to the fight, we bring guns." BHO

Posted by: John Munch at April 10, 2013 02:13 PM (MhA4j)

256 Margarita DeVille

apologies,  it was  pennsylvania.



Posted by: willow at April 10, 2013 02:13 PM (nqBYe)

257 mrp, well now that they've made it clear they think our spiritual beliefs are Their concern.

Posted by: willow at April 10, 2013 02:16 PM (nqBYe)

258 255 John Munch,

Sven J Olafson 2013-donate to the donks...back a winner.

Wild Elephant 2014

Empower REAL democrats

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at April 10, 2013 02:16 PM (LRFds)

259 258?

Posted by: John Munch at April 10, 2013 02:23 PM (MhA4j)

260 Hmm, just had an idea. Special Operations Speaks I believe has a PAC. I was wondering how it would go ever for them if they formed a PAK. For "Pass Along Knowledge" They could have members travel the country putting on seminars teaching people about, well, you know, stuff. Beginners seminars. Intermediate seminars. You get the picture.

Posted by: teej at April 10, 2013 02:24 PM (erYRT)

261 The proposal will allow a doctor to add a patient to the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) without ever telling the patient he or she has been added.

What is so fucking magical about working as a doctor that makes them qualified to block other peoples rights? (If you want,  if you are authoritarian thug or their cum guzzling socialist pets, you can say 'privileges' in lieu of 'rights')

How about a bill that lets dog groomers put a stopper on anybody's drivers license and gives plumbers the power to strip others of the right to vote.

Posted by: Obamao at April 10, 2013 02:24 PM (JtyGg)

262 259 John Munch,

I aim to donate with as much genius as the GOP plays the political game...

Like Pat Toomey I am gonna do something exactly the opposite of what makes sense.....


I will donate to Democrat Opponents of Republican politicians in the mid terms.

If John Boehner ignores the Hastert rule, and Pat Toomey empowers Chuck Schumer...

well by God I will join them in being bi-partisan.

I quit, and I am punishing the weak in my party.

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at April 10, 2013 02:26 PM (LRFds)

263 261 Obamao,

I trust the bum who panhandles on exit 95 on I-65 to protect my liberty more than any Senator.

He just wants beer money.

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at April 10, 2013 02:27 PM (LRFds)

264 223 At the end of the day we all know what needs to be done. It's really all about who's going to start it... and who's going to finish it. Posted by: ina_ginalship at April 10, 2013 05:46 PM (o6B4x) Not to toot my own horn, but I've known it was inevitable since November 4, 2008.

Posted by: rickl at April 10, 2013 02:41 PM (sdi6R)

265

@264: "I've known it was inevitable since November 4, 2008."

 

Welcome to the party, pal.  Better late than never!

Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at April 10, 2013 02:50 PM (FsqHK)

266 All the Republicans would have to do is say "Rape victims won't be allowed to own firearms with this new bill"  Because if they've been treated in any sort of depression or grief counseling, they could be barred from owning a firearm, particularly any psychistrist that's a Leftie that hates guns (which is all of them)

Of course, Republicans won't have the balls for that sort of attack, so the NRA will have to step up (which is incidentally more popular than the GOP)


Posted by: McAdams at April 10, 2013 03:23 PM (xgAmd)

267 I'm guessing moo moo or poo poo or whatever it is, is happy, fu

Posted by: Misanthropic humanitarian fka irishacres at April 10, 2013 03:28 PM (HVff2)

268 Under this plan, people will start interviewing their doctors, and every democrat doctor in a red state should see his/her practice collaspe... 

You can imaging some "liberal" doctors placing all their patients into the database...

sorry you no longer have second amendment rights

Posted by: phreshone at April 10, 2013 03:40 PM (Pr6hk)

269 268

Yep, and we all know the Left can never separate politics from ANYTHING.  If they see an opening, they'll take it. 

A gun hating doctor would hand over their entire patient list, bank on it.

Posted by: McAdams at April 10, 2013 03:43 PM (xgAmd)

270 A gun hating doctor would hand over their entire patient list, bank on it. Of course. After all, it's for the children.

Posted by: [/i]akula51 at April 10, 2013 03:59 PM (Vgn84)

271 He's just another Snarlin' Arlin, ready to stab supporters in the back and smile to your face while doing it. Jesus, wtf is it with PA R's?, and that retard Manchin, he deserves a single term to.

Posted by: Gmac - Waiting for the revolution at April 10, 2013 04:00 PM (IanLz)

272 271 GMAC,

think outside the box...

Elect a PA donk and reelect Mad Man Manchin

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at April 10, 2013 04:08 PM (LRFds)

273 Ten or so years ago my doctor asked if I would like something to help me stop smoking. I agreed, and he prescribed Welbutrin - a psychotropic that had a statistically significant side-effect toward smoking cessation.

So I have been prescribed a psychotropic. Damn good thing I already have my guns. But I better get some more before this thing grows real legs.

Posted by: Cannot see the future at April 10, 2013 05:17 PM (rz0yi)

274 I like the way you think, sven. I still can't bring myself to give money to a credible Dem, but I'm definitely fed up with the GOP. If I lived in a blue state, I would give serious thought to infiltrating the local Dem party.

Posted by: Sea Monster at April 10, 2013 08:25 PM (nYENA)

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