September 20, 2013

John Boehner: Defund Movement The Way to Avoid the "Trainwreck" of ObamaCare
— Ace

What?

Well he's on board now, he says.

He says, "the House has listened to the American people, and now it's time for the United States Senate to listen as well." Which may be a hidden slap at Cruz but it's also, on the surface, a perfectly routine demand to make at Harry Reid. Well-crafted.

Meanwhile, Peter King, who grabbed every headline he could after 9/11, accuses Ted Cruz of grabbing headlines, and says the loss on this Defund issue in the Senate will prove that Cruz is a fraud.

“I hope people will get the message this guy is bad for the party,” King continued. "The issues are too important, they're too serious - they require real conservative solutions - not cheap headline hunting schemes."

I'm sure I could name a less serious guy than Peter King but it would take a few minutes of thought.

I can only say buck-passing or "Burden Shifting" so many times. Burden Shifting You Guys.

You know, Ted Cruz does grab a lot of headlines. Sometimes he rubs me the wrong way. That said, look: At some point you have to do something besides mark time.


Posted by: Ace at 11:23 AM | Comments (372)
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1 Much rejoicing yet?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at September 20, 2013 11:24 AM (pDfBu)

2 Ah,whatever.

Posted by: steevy at September 20, 2013 11:25 AM (9XBK2)

3 Harry Reid may well be a pederast. I've heard it from someone I trust.

Posted by: dfbaskwill at September 20, 2013 11:25 AM (ndlFj)

4 Piss on King, preferably just before he goes on Fox News.  He is only 7 points shy of DIABLO status.

Posted by: Vic at September 20, 2013 11:26 AM (zZbNF)

5 Wait.  We finally get a hill to die on?

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at September 20, 2013 11:26 AM (8ZskC)

6 Look at all those white people.

Posted by: Media at September 20, 2013 11:27 AM (fwARV)

7 Harry Reid may well be a pederast. I've heard it from someone I trust.


I can confirm this because I've heard it myself.  Besides, it's not the strength of the evidence, but the seriousness of the charge.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at September 20, 2013 11:27 AM (8ZskC)

8

Crichton!  

 Fetch me  the morning paper, my chaps  and a supple young lad to whom I shall  read my Cowboy Poetry.

Posted by: Harry Reid at September 20, 2013 11:27 AM (L4p+9)

9 At some point you have to do something besides mark time. Snarky comment 1 - Boehner walking it back? Snarky comment 2 - They are not marking time. They are keeping their powder dry. You know, to use to fight at some point in the future. Later.

Posted by: blaster at September 20, 2013 11:28 AM (W6bkf)

10 Peter King's lame attempt to grab headlines by reprimanding Cruz for getting headlines. Jealous.

Posted by: panzernashorn at September 20, 2013 11:28 AM (MhA4j)

11 Is it too early for public self gratification??

I promise I won't look ya's in the eye.

Posted by: dananjcon at September 20, 2013 11:28 AM (wmU4G)

12 "The issues are too important, they're too serious - they require real conservative solutions - not cheap headline hunting schemes."


Help me. I'm trying to remember the last "real conservative solution" that emanated from Peter King's piehole.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at September 20, 2013 11:29 AM (8ZskC)

13 They exempted themselves and their closest allies from Obamacare while proclaiming it a great leap forward in health care. They have no credibility. Every time some Democrat loses his shit over obstructionism or whatever, remind them they're huge flaming hypocrites. Loudly and often.

Posted by: Lincolntf at September 20, 2013 11:29 AM (ZshNr)

14 So is the IRS going to keep "taxing" people without insurance anyway?

Posted by: Long-time Commenter, First-time Reader at September 20, 2013 11:30 AM (pl1y3)

15 We were elected,
We showed up,
We tried.


Posted by: Lewis Prothero, the Voice of Reason at September 20, 2013 11:30 AM (hcAXF)

16

Peter King looks like he was grown out of a culture from a Morton Downey Jr. facial wart.

Posted by: garrett at September 20, 2013 11:30 AM (L4p+9)

17 We'll see just how much they're willing to actually fight. I want to see them fight as if the survival of our Beloved Republic depends on it... because I believe it does.

Posted by: qixlqatl at September 20, 2013 11:31 AM (S65B+)

18 The President is against us,
The media is against us,
 there are more democrats than us,
we tried our best.

Posted by: Lewis Prothero, the Voice of Reason at September 20, 2013 11:31 AM (hcAXF)

19 17-anal wart, maybe.

Posted by: ejo at September 20, 2013 11:32 AM (GXvSO)

20

I have a question of defunding. 

Some aspects of the law include subsidizing health care and building health care markets.  These parts of the law would need funding in order to happen, so defunding the law would kill these parts.

But what about other aspects of the law that don't require funding?  For example: (1) individual mandate.  (2) Insurers must cover pre-existing conditions, maternity, birth control, etc. 

Those items don't require any funding... they are simply commands.  So how does defuning Obamacare do anything about that?  What am I not understanding here?

Posted by: dan-O at September 20, 2013 11:32 AM (D0bIN)

21 Any word from the one Republican that voted NO on the CR without Obamacare?

I mean if he voted no in Luap Nor fashion because it just spend too much damn money I could respect that, but I notice this guy also voted against finding Holder in contempt so...

Posted by: SpongeBobSaget[/i] at September 20, 2013 11:32 AM (epxV4)

22 http://tinyurl.com/kzexdnw


Ol' Pete's surely a victim of Obama's microwave hearing technology.

Posted by: LC LaWedgie at September 20, 2013 11:32 AM (6xhLc)

23 Somebody spike Boehner's Gin and Tonic with caffeine. He's going to need it.

Posted by: bonhomme at September 20, 2013 11:32 AM (yETln)

24 LOL NBC has The One saying house Repubs are "trying to mess with me." HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!

Posted by: Caliban at September 20, 2013 11:33 AM (DrC22)

25 At some point you have to do something besides mark time. I am becoming intrigued by this Mark Time fellow; if he wins the primaries, I'd vote for him for President!

Posted by: zombie at September 20, 2013 11:33 AM (+cx5n)

26 I saw we go over to the Senate a million man army, and kick some arse!
Who's with me!

Posted by: Lewis Prothero, the Voice of Reason at September 20, 2013 11:33 AM (hcAXF)

27 Peter King is turning out to be a jackass from hell.

Posted by: rdbrewer at September 20, 2013 11:34 AM (Iyg03)

28 Well Cruze is at least trying to keep the shit sandwich in the lime light. Makes it a lot harder for dick nibblers like Boner and King to sweep it under the carpet so they can reach across the aisle and tongue worship leftard asshole.

Posted by: maddogg at September 20, 2013 11:34 AM (xWW96)

29 I'm sure I could name a less serious guy than Peter King but it would take a few minutes of thought.

...

LOL NBC has The One saying house Repubs are "trying to mess with me."


Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at September 20, 2013 11:34 AM (/kI1Q)

30 But what about other aspects of the law that don't require funding? For example: (1) individual mandate. (2) Insurers must cover pre-existing conditions, maternity, birth control, etc. Those items don't require any funding... they are simply commands. So how does defuning Obamacare do anything about that? What am I not understanding here? Huge caveat: I'm not an expert. I think it does something about it by not funding the enforcement arm required to make the thing work. Because it's such a good idea, it must be mandatory.

Posted by: bonhomme at September 20, 2013 11:34 AM (yETln)

31 Those items don't require any funding... they are simply commands. So how does defuning Obamacare do anything about that? What am I not understanding here? Posted by: dan-O at September 20, 2013 03:32 PM (D0bIN) Enforcement. If there's no money to enforce the provisions, it doesn't really matter what the provisions are. *waves tiny pass a fucking budget you goat felching jackholes sign*

Posted by: alexthechick - Team Oh Fuck All This Shit at September 20, 2013 11:34 AM (VtjlW)

32 King is going to shit on viable candidates over and over because he's a f'ing nut who thinks that's the way for him to get ahead among potential 2016 candidates. 

Fool.

Posted by: rdbrewer at September 20, 2013 11:35 AM (Iyg03)

33 In the process, King will only serve the Democrats by damaging viable candidates. 

Posted by: rdbrewer at September 20, 2013 11:35 AM (Iyg03)

34 The USPS has Battle of Lake Erie commemorative stamps, showing a 27 year old Oliver Hazard Perry, having lost the Lawrence after a 2-on-1, two-hour battle against the British Detroit and Queen Charlotte, rowing to the sister ship Niagara.

"In his after-action report to General William Henry Harrison, Perry penned perhaps the most memorable phrase of the war: We have met the enemy and they are ours."

These were men . . . .

Now? We've effeminates who cry in public and have no shame at being led around by their nose by those who despise them.

Posted by: RoyalOil at September 20, 2013 11:36 AM (VjL9S)

35 LOL NBC has The One saying house Repubs are "trying to mess with me." Cue Pelosi's "Are you serious? Are you serious?" response to "Where in the Constitution is Obamacare allowed?"

Posted by: bonhomme at September 20, 2013 11:36 AM (yETln)

36 *waves tiny pass a fucking budget you goat felching jackholes sign*

Do these come in tiny bumperstickers?

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at September 20, 2013 11:36 AM (/kI1Q)

37 Boner must think someone is going to paste a gold star on his forehead.

He'll be changing his tune the minute Choom Boy says "no more golf with me 'til you get back on course" and Hairy Reid says "remember that lavish fundraiser with lots o' free booze we were gonna throw for you?"

Yeah, so I'm a cynic. I have trouble looking at the sun when it rises in the West, too.

Posted by: MrScribbler at September 20, 2013 11:36 AM (kaGpp)

38 So tired of all this bullshit. Nothing is going to happen and everyone knows it. The debt ceiling calamity will be solved just as the timer counts down to 0:01. Obamacare will be funded. Then we'll do it all again in a few months. Fuck these guys.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at September 20, 2013 11:36 AM (+lsX1)

39 Definitely should not have googled felching.  Its like I am incapable of learning or something...

Posted by: Muad'dib at September 20, 2013 11:37 AM (KjlbF)

40 King is reported to already have an "exploratory committee" raising cash for 2016. I don't care if they get their asses kicked. At least they stand for something and try to draw on Public support. As has been stated before by some moron, the palace intrigue method always loses anyway when everyone is a member of the Ruling Class™. I think this may delay a complete ans final rift in the GOP.

Posted by: Daybrother at September 20, 2013 11:37 AM (oOIDm)

41 King is going to shit on viable candidates over and over because he's a f'ing nut who thinks that's the way for him to get ahead among potential 2016 candidates. No. He knows he won't win. His job is to attack and try to tear down the actually conservative candidates so the 'electable' ones like Christie don't have to get themselves dirty.

Posted by: entropy at September 20, 2013 11:37 AM (TULs6)

42 What rhymes with defund me?

Posted by: Barry Thicke at September 20, 2013 11:38 AM (/Mla1)

43 With any luck, the Defund action will fail, and we will get ObamaCare ... ... just in time to start the 2014 Campaign season. ObamaCare is The Thing the Democrats fear ... all the way down to the exit sphincters of their colons. The only things that fear ObamaCare MORE than the Democrats ARE their exit sphincters. The costs it forces upon everyone, the hour-cutbacks, the job-description restructuring, the outright layoffs (that we're already seeing) ... ... ObamaCare in 2014 spells the end of the Democrat Party. Why else would Teh JEF, fia EO, hand out waivers and authorize a 1-year delay? Can we at least depend on Hairy Reid to torpedo this Defunding?

Posted by: Arbalest at September 20, 2013 11:38 AM (FlRtG)

44 I was gonna go with John McCain anl polyp, but I cleaned it up for the Lunch hour crowd.

Posted by: garrett at September 20, 2013 11:38 AM (L4p+9)

45 28 I saw we go over to the Senate a million man army, and kick some arse! Who's with me! Posted by: Lewis Prothero, the Voice of Reason at September 20, 2013 03:33 PM (hcAXF) Include me in.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 20, 2013 11:39 AM (WjLUf)

46 >>>Enforcement. If there's no money to enforce the provisions, it doesn't really matter what the provisions are.

Yeah, I've considered that, but I don't really think that will do it, to be honest. 

Think about the insurance companies.  Are they going to operate illegally and NOT cover pre-existing conditions simply because they know it won't be enforced?  (And technically, if the PPACA was still law, then it would be illegal to not cover pre-existing conditions).

Furthermore, if the PPACA was still law, it seems to me that any part of the executive branch could use discretionary budget to enforce something which is law.  So it may not be enforced widely, but there would always be the threat that it COULD be enforced.  Again, this will have an effect on insurers. 

(For individual mandate, I can see why defunding would mitigate that).

Posted by: dan-O at September 20, 2013 11:39 AM (D0bIN)

47 15, interesting question. We'd need to defund the IRS, too, which I will admit I could live with.

Posted by: mallfly at September 20, 2013 11:39 AM (bJm7W)

48

Some of you should just be honest.  Say it.   You love Obamacare.

 

You love it love it love it love it. 

 

It's not a lifestyle choice, it's who you are.  Just admit it.  Be free.  Coming out of  the closet will be good for your soul. 

Posted by: BurtTC at September 20, 2013 11:39 AM (TOk1P)

49 Boehner walks back comments, now in favor of defunding.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 20, 2013 11:39 AM (pOhSg)

50

Time  for  cocktails!

Posted by: Speaker of the House John Boehner (R - Loompa Land) at September 20, 2013 11:40 AM (ZETiK)

51
Enforcement. If there's no money to enforce the provisions, it doesn't really matter what the provisions are.

Posted by: alexthechick

True enough but what's the statutory limit of breaking the provisions?

If the law ever gets 'turned on,' I have a feeling the related agencies will go on a legal wilding, suing and killing anything in sight.

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at September 20, 2013 11:40 AM (ligos)

52

We have to pass this turd so we can find out whats in it. Anyone have a spoon?

/Drooling Pelosi, the retard's retard.

Posted by: maddogg at September 20, 2013 11:40 AM (xWW96)

53 Call your Senator regardless of party and tell them to defund Obamacare. Yeah, Boehner had to be dragged kicking and screaming to the shindig but now that he's here let's see how far we can push this thing. If we can peel off a few Dims others may follow. in any event the next bill to come out of the House should require full implementation now of Oblabla care as written, no exceptions, and that includes Congress and gov't workers. Let the Dims vote on that.

Posted by: naturalfake at September 20, 2013 11:40 AM (8nunQ)

54 Hey Petie, what did you do when zippy delayed the employer mandate? How is that constitutional? Oh yeah, f you.

Posted by: boned to the bone at September 20, 2013 11:40 AM (Ph479)

55 Definitely should not have googled felching. Its like I am incapable of learning or something... I'm going to give away a million dollar idea right here: "Google it for me, and see if I want to know" as a service. We'll click your hinky email links. We'll look at the slang dictionary for you. We'll check to see if it's a picture of Helen Thomas or Kate Upton for you. If it's cool, we'll tell you. If it's a lemon party pic, we'll tell you you don't want to look.

Posted by: bonhomme at September 20, 2013 11:40 AM (yETln)

56 Oh, boy! Is there gonna be another showdown at the O.K. Corral between Republicans and Obama?!

Are they finally gonna shoot him this time and win one for The Team?

I can't wait to see how this turns out. I just KNOW the GOP won't empty its six shooters and throw 'em over to Obama again without a single shot being fired.

I just know it!

Posted by: Warden at September 20, 2013 11:40 AM (bmp0d)

57 Levin was on last night, saying you fight losing political battles to set the stage for future wins. Mentioned Reagan ran for President in 68. And 76. Those were the building blocks for his winning campaign in 80. If you say, well, we won't bother to stand for something today because we would lose, later, when you can win, you look like mere opportunists.

Posted by: blaster at September 20, 2013 11:40 AM (W6bkf)

58 The RINO's are evacuating on themselves. Good.

Posted by: FUBAR at September 20, 2013 11:40 AM (Cs2tJ)

59 Washington Times, House passes spending bill: “The American people don’t want the government shut down, and they don’t want Obamacare,” said House Speaker Moe Boehner. -- I DO want a government shut down. Make the cowards shit in their pants in public. No Budget. Shut It Down. Debt Ceiling INFLATION: Balloon Burst The only business that gets done is behind closed doors by LOBBYISTS. May as well make it official. Bankruptcy Estate Sale: prime location, White House, Congress, Supreme Court, DHS and the entire intelligence community of bureaus and agencies, National Monuments ... (the National Parks are already co-opted by China)

Posted by: panzernashorn at September 20, 2013 11:41 AM (MhA4j)

60 29 Peter King is turning out to be a jackass from hell.

Posted by: rdbrewer at September 20, 2013 03:34 PM (Iyg03)

 

 

Seems they all do at some point.  Truly sad.  Very disheartening.  Watching Cruz very closely to see if he has the right stuff.

Posted by: Havedash at September 20, 2013 11:41 AM (F0WNa)

61 17 Peter King looks like he was grown out of a culture from a Morton Downey Jr. facial wart. Posted by: garrett at September 20, 2013 03:30 PM (L4p+9) As someone who knew Morton Downey Jr., that is an insult to any carbuncle, growth or goiter he may have had. Peter King sprouted from a kernel of undigested corn embedded in a loose turd on a used colostomy bag.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 20, 2013 11:41 AM (WjLUf)

62 One closet at a time, if you are a brony raise your front right hoof.

Posted by: SpongeBobSaget[/i] at September 20, 2013 11:41 AM (epxV4)

63 Ya know.....Boehner should use his new-found testicles and spine and beat the crap out of Peter King.

He called a member of his own party a fraud?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 20, 2013 11:42 AM (gqgiP)

64 What many fail to realize is that nothing stops essential services and government checks. Only everything that is non-essential; i.e. unconstitutional and part of the evil leviathan. GOOD.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 20, 2013 11:43 AM (WjLUf)

65 we'll tell you you don't want to look.>>

Because those warnings work so well when posted here right?

Posted by: Buzzsaw at September 20, 2013 11:43 AM (wrS2o)

66 Wonder how Peter King will feel when his constituents vote him out next time around.  No one is happy with his performance:  the announcing that he might run for  president was borderline delusional and then attacking another republican?  He's becoming McCain.

Posted by: The PC Police at September 20, 2013 11:43 AM (Nx76m)

67

Tom Delay gets sprung from jail.

 

John Boehner grows a pair.

 

Coincidence??  I think not. 

Posted by: BurtTC at September 20, 2013 11:43 AM (TOk1P)

68 When they say defund, are they defunding all the bureaucrats hired to enforce this piece of shit?

Posted by: Dr Spank at September 20, 2013 11:43 AM (qRasw)

69 Pete King is kind of a dick and nobody's idea of a solid conservative.

That said, just because the messenger is questionable doesn't mean the message itself is wrong.  Cruz really HAS behaved like a cowardly, disingenuous turd since July and August on this fake "Defund Obamacare" stuff.  A lot of people are going to have a hard time moving past the definite "snake-oil salesman" reputation he's created for himself here.

Posted by: Jeff B., being That Guy, as usual. at September 20, 2013 11:43 AM (n/+FT)

70 Guys, I'd abandoned the GOP, but after hearing this news, I'm totes back on board! Anyone got a link to the RNC? I'm gonna kick 'em a couple grand.



Posted by: Warden at September 20, 2013 11:43 AM (bmp0d)

71 Cruz to Filibuster O'care!!!



Let the free range pigeons lose!!!


Posted by: dananjcon at September 20, 2013 11:44 AM (wmU4G)

72 I believe that the AoSHQ style guide says that if you don't know what it is, and you saw it in the comments, do NOT Google it. I believe the original rule was for ONT comments, and has since been amended.

Posted by: blaster at September 20, 2013 11:44 AM (W6bkf)

73 >>>*waves tiny pass a fucking budget you goat felching jackholes sign*<<<<

I've been saying that since the GOP won the majority in the House. Just pass a more or less balanced budget that defunds or rolls back Obamacare and then split town. That leaves Harry and the Senate to negotiate among themselves and with Obama with all the press focused on them (cause the rest of the guys are all back home doing local media, err I hope). When they come up with a counter proposal or budget reconvene to consider it--if it is a crappy offer vote it down and go home again. At some point they will make an offer worth staying in town to consider.

Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living... at September 20, 2013 11:45 AM (d9hT/)

74 How many martinis will the Obamacare defund secure for future congressional luncheons?

Posted by: Fritz at September 20, 2013 11:45 AM (UzPAd)

75 Do these come in tiny bumperstickers? Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at September 20, 2013 03:36 PM (/kI1Q) Why, yes, yes, they do. *shoves through USB for you* Reminder of Rules For Morons # 1. If you don't know what it is, don't try to figure it out from context. If you don't know what it is, don't ask. If you don't know what it is, by the insanity of cthulhu, do not google it.

Posted by: alexthechick - Team Oh Fuck All This Shit at September 20, 2013 11:45 AM (VtjlW)

76 Cruz really HAS behaved like a cowardly, disingenuous turd since July and August on this fake "Defund Obamacare" stuff. A lot of people are going to have a hard time moving past the definite "snake-oil salesman" reputation he's created for himself here.

Posted by: Jeff B

Your opinion is a reliable barometer.

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at September 20, 2013 11:45 AM (ligos)

77 Peter who?

Posted by: Phelps at September 20, 2013 11:45 AM (lgi3G)

78 59 Levin was on last night, saying you fight losing political battles to set the stage for future wins. Mentioned Reagan ran for President in 68. And 76. Those were the building blocks for his winning campaign in 80. If you say, well, we won't bother to stand for something today because we would lose, later, when you can win, you look like mere opportunists. Posted by: blaster at September 20, 2013 03:40 PM (W6bkf) THIS. If only the Democrat/Leftists thought this way after Woodrow Wilson died and Calvin Coolidge ushered in the Roaring 20's. It took them 100 years. They never give up. Even during the height of the Reagan era, when it seemed that they were marginalized and gone for good. There is a lesson to be learned. Even the journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 20, 2013 11:45 AM (WjLUf)

79 AtC, show me where the funding is for enforcing EMTALA.  AFAIK, there is none, and yet it is still out there, and woe unto the doctor or hospital who violates it.  So I respectfully suggest that even with defunding, portions of it will live on until individually staked in the heart.  This is also my recollection of punditry about O-care for the past few years, that defunding it still does not eliminate it entirely.

Posted by: Conservative Crank at September 20, 2013 11:45 AM (sQ0LB)

80 >73 I believe that the AoSHQ style guide says that if you don't know what it is, and you saw it in the comments, do NOT Google it.<



Its not like I don't know that.  I'm just differently abled.

Posted by: Muad'dib at September 20, 2013 11:46 AM (KjlbF)

81 Posted by: bonhomme at September 20, 2013 03:40 PM (yETln)

Lemon Party?

What's that?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 20, 2013 11:46 AM (gqgiP)

82

I can't think of one thing Cruz has done that rubs me the wrong way.

He is doing what we sent him there to do

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at September 20, 2013 11:46 AM (R8hU8)

83

Jeff B calling someone other than himself a coward.....

 

Irony.  It's what's for dinner. 

Posted by: BurtTC at September 20, 2013 11:46 AM (TOk1P)

84 He and Cantor are full of shit.

Posted by: le soothsayier (the french version)q at September 20, 2013 11:46 AM (aEwHy)

85 >>>He called a member of his own party a fraud?

Sean Duffy, nobody's idea of a RINO, said the same thing: said that Cruz was a cowardly fraud who has no skin in the game and refuses to even fight himself in the Senate.  That's a friggin' Tea Party Congressman saying that.

A lot of people whose conservative bona fides are not up for questioning have come to the conclusion that Cruz is a hack, a liar, and guy who places self-promotion over all else because of his actions here.  It's not just RINOs like Gabe Malor and me and Pete King or whatever.

Posted by: Jeff B., being That Guy, as usual. at September 20, 2013 11:47 AM (n/+FT)

86 That said, just because the messenger is questionable doesn't mean the message itself is wrong. Cruz really HAS behaved like a cowardly, disingenuous turd since July and August on this fake "Defund Obamacare" stuff. No he hasn't. He's been the public face of defunding and taken flak from both sides. For God's sake, conservative pundits were referring to him as a Canadian Senator from Texas. If John Boehner or the House leadership is your idea of honesty and courage, you have a skewed worldview.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 20, 2013 11:47 AM (pmDdf)

87 Who can take any of these politicians seriously when they include in that budget $174,000 for a multi-millionaire's widow? What they get away with, boggles the mind!

Posted by: SharonW at September 20, 2013 11:47 AM (8Lzwg)

88 oh well, we gave it the ol' college try!

Posted by: lolboehner at September 20, 2013 11:47 AM (aEwHy)

89 If you say, well, we won't bother to stand for something today because we would lose, later, when you can win, you look like mere opportunists. Posted by: blaster If you're lucky, that is. The other more likely alternative is that even when the "win" is a given, you don't win, having gone soft in the head, self indulgent and complacent/indifferent/antagonistic towards your constituent citizenry. You "belong" to Lobbyists who have bought your votes, whose interests have no allegiance to the Constitution and are, in fact, anti-Constitutional and anti-Liberty.

Posted by: panzernashorn at September 20, 2013 11:47 AM (MhA4j)

90 Drew M. nailed King's wrinkled ass to the wall. Supported IRA terrorists even if they killed innocent bystanders. And as a leader of the Long Island GOP, he's about as corrupt as the day is long. Puts on a good show about the Muzzies and the Ground Zero mosque, but it's a show. Fuck Peter King.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 20, 2013 11:48 AM (WjLUf)

91 Oh nooooesss! It's going to cost us the House, Senate, and seats on the West Covina city council if they do the crazee stuff and defund Obamacare. I don't care what polls say, SERIOUS people in the RNC say we've gone MAD!!!

Posted by: Mabel Galore at September 20, 2013 11:48 AM (/9IC1)

92 better luck next time!

Posted by: lolmcconnell at September 20, 2013 11:48 AM (aEwHy)

93 Because those warnings work so well when posted here right? My service will have trust. So you won't have that little doubt saying "Maybe I should look anyway." And as an additional service I could program a picture blur. Maybe a slider that lets you slowly unblur the picture until you've satisfied your curiosity but not seen the fully unblurred horror.

Posted by: bonhomme at September 20, 2013 11:48 AM (yETln)

94 A lot of people are going to have a hard time moving past the definite "snake-oil salesman" reputation he's created for himself here. Yeah Mr. Bagwell, that whole saying what he believes and standing by it thing sure does come across as desperate and creepy.

Posted by: Paul Zummo at September 20, 2013 11:48 AM (Ud5vq)

95 92 Oh nooooesss! It's going to cost us the House, Senate, and seats on the West Covina city council if they do the crazee stuff and defund Obamacare. I don't care what polls say, SERIOUS people in the RNC say we've gone MAD!!!
Posted by: Mabel Galore at September 20, 2013 03:48 PM

What HE said!!

Posted by: BeffG at September 20, 2013 11:48 AM (/9IC1)

96 oh well, we gave it the ol' college try! Flunking out after taking massive student loans to the tune that you never intended paying back...

Posted by: panzernashorn at September 20, 2013 11:48 AM (MhA4j)

97 You win some, you lose some! Have a great weekend, everyone!

Posted by: lolcantor at September 20, 2013 11:49 AM (aEwHy)

98 If you say, well, we won't bother to stand for something today because we would lose, later, when you can win, you look like mere opportunists.

You've been watching the same people say the same thing about the debt and the deficit for decades. Just because someone tells you they stand for something doesn't mean they actually stand for that thing. When the republicans were in a position to win they turned the spending dial up to 11 and added new entitlements, new bureaucracies and new government powers.

So, good luck with these same turds now that they're talking tough. Maybe you'll be inspired enough to send in a campaign donation!

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at September 20, 2013 11:49 AM (+lsX1)

99 Cruz had been railing against Obamacare since elected and it seems to me he is trying to get a groundswell for it's repeal, which is cowardly to some.

Posted by: Dr Spank at September 20, 2013 11:49 AM (qRasw)

100 Just more bukakki theater...with the American public as the stars.

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/u][/s] at September 20, 2013 11:49 AM (9MLX+)

101

Say it, Jeff B.  You love Obamacare.  

 

Quit being a coward, and just say it. 

Posted by: BurtTC at September 20, 2013 11:49 AM (TOk1P)

102 >And as an additional service I could program a picture blur. Maybe a slider that lets you slowly unblur the picture until you've satisfied your curiosity but not seen the fully unblurred horror.

Posted by: bonhomme at September 20, 2013 03:48 PM (yETln)<



Now you're talkin'.  I'd throw some quatloos at that.

Posted by: Muad'dib at September 20, 2013 11:49 AM (KjlbF)

103

Okay so it seems to me that I'm not the only one who thinks that merely defunding will in fact do relatively little to Obamacare.

- Individual mandate will remain... who knows if IRS will enforce
- Requirement for coverage of pre-existing conditions will remain
- Myriad of other micromanaging-laws for insurers and health-care providers will remain

Honestly seems to me that defunding won't accomplish much.  (Not that I'm against it; it seems like a good first step)

Posted by: dan-O at September 20, 2013 11:49 AM (D0bIN)

104 Peter King can eatadik.

The guy was fairly solid for a northeast Republican. But he's been drinking that contaminated Long Island water for too long.

Posted by: Marcus at September 20, 2013 11:50 AM (GGCsk)

105 "Google it for me, and see if I want to know"

Good Idea! also works as protections against malicious websites that serve up malware.

oh..

...and ....Dog Porn

Posted by: Lewis Prothero, the Voice of Reason at September 20, 2013 11:50 AM (hcAXF)

106 Sean Duffy, nobody's idea of a RINO Why do I give a fuck what Sean Duffy's opinion is? Why is he more trustworthy than Cruz?

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 20, 2013 11:50 AM (pmDdf)

107 Does Speaker Boehner have a medical condition? Srsly, he sounds more like Speaker Dean Martin.











Can't fault the man: he's absolutely right about what The American People want.

Posted by: Cretin, high-grade moron material in thousands of centrifuges at September 20, 2013 11:50 AM (tfSla)

108 G-d willing, if there is a government shutdown, a lot of people are going to notice that - GASP - it has no ill effect on their lives. Here's hoping a majority of the GOP stand with Cruz, Lee and (for now) Boehner.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 20, 2013 11:50 AM (WjLUf)

109 @73 True dat.

Posted by: Learned The Hard Way at September 20, 2013 11:50 AM (YAGV/)

110 Even the journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 20, 2013 03:45 PM (WjLUf)

And a beer and a shot.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 20, 2013 11:51 AM (gqgiP)

111 That said, just because the messenger is questionable doesn't mean the message itself is wrong. Cruz really HAS behaved like a cowardly, disingenuous turd since July and August on this fake "Defund Obamacare" stuff.



That's a joke right?  One that went over my head 'cause I don't get it.

Posted by: dogfish at September 20, 2013 11:51 AM (nsOJa)

112 Posted by: Mabel Galore at September 20, 2013 03:48 PM What HE said!! Posted by: BeffG at September 20, 2013 03:48 PM (/9IC1) Mabel Galore - fucking PRICELESS!!!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 20, 2013 11:51 AM (WjLUf)

113 A lot of people whose conservative bona fides are not up for questioning have come to the conclusion that Cruz is a hack, a liar, and guy who places self-promotion over all else because of his actions here. It's not just RINOs like Gabe Malor and me and Pete King or whatever.
Posted by: Jeff B., being That Guy, as usual. at September 20, 2013 03:47 PM

Ted Cruz is like a total dorky dude and all my friends say they like really hate him!

Posted by: Meggie McBoobs at September 20, 2013 11:51 AM (/9IC1)

114 111 Even the journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step. Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 20, 2013 03:45 PM (WjLUf) And a beer and a shot. Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 20, 2013 03:51 PM (gqgiP) Or a cup of coffee and a blow job.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 20, 2013 11:52 AM (WjLUf)

115 AtC, show me where the funding is for enforcing EMTALA. AFAIK, there is none, and yet it is still out there, and woe unto the doctor or hospital who violates it. So I respectfully suggest that even with defunding, portions of it will live on until individually staked in the heart. This is also my recollection of punditry about O-care for the past few years, that defunding it still does not eliminate it entirely. Posted by: Conservative Crank at September 20, 2013 03:45 PM (sQ0LB) Don't forget that, in theory, the House could zero out all funding for prosecutions of EMTALA violations. It won't but it could. Defunding won't eliminate it entirely. I didn't mean to imply that it did. Whoever it was that noted that once the funding goes back into place then violations will be prosecuted with extreme prejudice is exactly right. It's simply that this is a start to the process of getting rid of Obamacare. A journey of a thousand miles and all of that.

Posted by: alexthechick - Team Oh Fuck All This Shit at September 20, 2013 11:52 AM (VtjlW)

116 Meh, Cruz draws negative comments from the weenies in Congress who don't want to be forced to take a stand. They hate Cruz because he's forcing them to take a public position. They'd rather slide around and postpone their vote till they see which way the wind blows then vote. Fuck'em. Coward is the polar opposite of Cruz.

Posted by: naturalfake at September 20, 2013 11:52 AM (8nunQ)

117

>>> Cruz to Filibuster O'care!!!

 

 

Ted Cruz stars in

 A CANADIAN IN KING BARACKA'S COURT

Posted by: garrett at September 20, 2013 11:52 AM (L4p+9)

118 72 Cruz to filibuster Obamacare! Why that COWARD!

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 20, 2013 11:52 AM (pmDdf)

119 "I don't care what polls say." Mabel Galore I did. Look what it got me. /oops, master stroke communicator forgot to plug in the electronics. RESET! I didn't want to win, anyway.

Posted by: Mitt Romney at September 20, 2013 11:52 AM (MhA4j)

120

99 -

 

Thanks, I hadn't thought of  that!  I have a few thousand dollars sitting right here, do you have the RNC's address?

Posted by: BurtTC at September 20, 2013 11:52 AM (TOk1P)

121 JeffB that  is quite a fantasy you have crafted about Cruz.

Posted by: KG[/i][/b] at September 20, 2013 11:53 AM (p7BzH)

122 the horde turns on everyone, eventually

Posted by: Jones in CO at September 20, 2013 11:53 AM (8sCoq)

123 >>>Jeff B calling someone other than himself a coward.....

What in hell would be ironic about that?  You don't know a single thing about me or my personal life or the things I've done.  Not one goddamn thing. 

Let's all take lessons in bravery from BurtTC, who understands that real courage is hurling the sorts of insults at someone online that he would never dream of saying to his face.

Posted by: Jeff B. at September 20, 2013 11:53 AM (n/+FT)

124 Most republicans (people) don't know what to think about Cruz because it's been a very long time since they've seen real leadership. Taking a stand for the American people, defending it rationally and fighting like hell for it.

Posted by: mare at September 20, 2013 11:53 AM (A98Xu)

125 Andrew Jackson? Total Coward.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 20, 2013 11:54 AM (pmDdf)

126 Who the hell does this Ted Cruz think he is? He SUCKED in Minority Report!

Posted by: Juan McCain at September 20, 2013 11:54 AM (/9IC1)

127

>>>the horde turns on everyone, eventually

 

It's how we establish The Hunt and Pecking order

Posted by: garrett at September 20, 2013 11:54 AM (L4p+9)

128 It's simply that this is a start to the process of getting rid of Obamacare. A journey of a thousand miles and all of that. Posted by: alexthechick - Team Oh Fuck All This Shit at September 20, 2013 03:52 PM (VtjlW) Death by a thousand cuts. Better ZeroCare than the USA.

Posted by: Mitt Romney at September 20, 2013 11:55 AM (MhA4j)

129 /sock it to me

Posted by: panzernashorn at September 20, 2013 11:55 AM (MhA4j)

130 It would obviously be braver if Cruz did nothing and fell inline with McCain and Graham because, lets face it, those guys are true conservative heroes.

Posted by: Dr Spank at September 20, 2013 11:55 AM (qRasw)

131

So now  John Boehner's on board with defund.

 

 

 

Meanwhile, in a darkened law office across town,  Gabriel  Malor punches  a kitten in the face.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at September 20, 2013 11:55 AM (CJjw5)

132 Peter King, these things happen -- "Few movies of the Â’80s inspired more heartfelt tears than Terms of Endearment, but Shirley MacLaine and Debra Winger absolutely hated each other.... People hinted of a physical altercation; reports blamed WingerÂ’s erratic behavior (which included, some say, an incident where Winger lifted her skirt and broke wind at MacLaine) on her cocaine use."

Posted by: Salt Lick at September 20, 2013 11:56 AM (AuU3C)

133 130 Death by a thousand cuts. Better ZeroCare than the USA. Posted by: Mitt Romney at September 20, 2013 03:55 PM (MhA4j) Or death by a thousand cunts...

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 20, 2013 11:56 AM (WjLUf)

134 Even the journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 20, 2013 03:45 PM (WjLUf)

And a beer and a shot.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 20, 2013 03:51 PM (gqgiP)

And a box of Timbits.

Fuck.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at September 20, 2013 11:56 AM (/kI1Q)

135
Like the great philosopher and life coach once pontificated....

"Cant we all just get along?"

Posted by: fixerupper at September 20, 2013 11:56 AM (nELVU)

136 Let's all take lessons in bravery from BurtTC, who understands that real courage is hurling the sorts of insults at someone online that he would never dream of saying to his face.
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 20, 2013 03:53 PM

And of course called Ted Cruz a liar and a coward to his face

You can still do it on Twitter of course. His handle is @tedcruz

Copy and paste the screenshot of your tweet telling him what for

Posted by: kbdabear at September 20, 2013 11:56 AM (/9IC1)

137

125 -

 

Listen junior, you  were whining here last year about your fake cancer.  Every silly emotion you feel, you type it in your text box on the ol  AoSHQ.

 

It's possible I know nothing about you or your personal life, but I know plenty of what you write here. 

 

Don't like the impression you give everyone around  here?  I  have a suggestion:  stop giving everyone the impression you are a whiny little candy-assed baby. 

Posted by: BurtTC at September 20, 2013 11:56 AM (TOk1P)

138 Cruz is obviously a coward. Junior Senators who stare down their own parties are cowards. Sean Duffy said so, and he's bona fide.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 20, 2013 11:57 AM (pmDdf)

139 Andrew Jackson? Total Coward. I know you're joking, but I had to butt in. Any man who could stand up and duel another man has huge brass ones. I hope never to be in a gunfight, but if I am I am taking cover and taking aimed shots with a modern weapon.

Posted by: bonhomme at September 20, 2013 11:57 AM (yETln)

140 Cruz is going to filibuster Obamacare? Wow, talk about your walkbacks! And from a cowardly fraud, no less.

Posted by: blaster at September 20, 2013 11:57 AM (W6bkf)

141 The left shoved this down our collective throat. Make their politicians own it, again, if nothing else. It could be a political layup, even if it doesnt effect immediate change. Of course, we will f that up because we have a bunch of Peter Kings that will make the story about the internal strife fighting a bill America broadly hates causes.

Posted by: Dave S. at September 20, 2013 11:57 AM (/BwGa)

142 Sean Duffy, nobody's idea of a RINO
========
Recent events beg to differ.

RINO is as RINO does.

Posted by: RoyalOil at September 20, 2013 11:57 AM (VjL9S)

143 136 And a box of Timbits.Fuck. Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at September 20, 2013 03:56 PM (/kI1Q) Can I google "Timbits" or will I violate the Style Guide?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 20, 2013 11:58 AM (WjLUf)

144 What, what did I miss?  Now Cruz is a traitor and Duffy is the gallant hero?

Posted by: Fritz at September 20, 2013 11:58 AM (UzPAd)

145 JeffB, I have a question for you. You have publicly stated here that you take the contrarian position because you are of a personality type that sees a majority position and then takes the contrary position merely because it is contrary to said majority opinion. Why should anyone believe that a single comment you post sets out a position in which you truly believe or that is based on a core principle? I am being quite serious about that. Unless, of course, your statement that you do so was itself merely a personality based inversion of what you truly think.

Posted by: alexthechick - Team Oh Fuck All This Shit at September 20, 2013 11:58 AM (VtjlW)

146 Looks like some fool in Sacramento is tryin' to be a Cali Alan Grayson.
[CONTENT WARNING: better have a strong stomach and/or average blood pressure] http://preview.tinyurl.com/l7s84b9 (h/t Drudge)
All these crazy Leftards making threats, what do they think would happen if something actually did happen to the children of a Cruz staffer? Heard about or remember the urban riots that followed the assassination of Dr. Martin Luther King?

Posted by: Cretin, high-grade moron material in thousands of centrifuges at September 20, 2013 11:58 AM (tfSla)

147 7 Harry Reid may well be a pederast. I've heard it from someone I trust. I can confirm this because I've heard it myself. Besides, it's not the strength of the evidence, but the seriousness of the charge. Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at September 20, 2013 03:27 PM (8ZskC) --------- What's worse is that he's never denied these charges! Why won't Harry Reid deny these serious accusations of pederasty? Huh? What is he hiding!?

Posted by: Nighthawk at September 20, 2013 11:58 AM (VRCBg)

148 It's simply that this is a start to the process of getting rid of Obamacare. A journey of a thousand miles and all of that.

Posted by: alexthechick - Team Oh Fuck All This Shit at September 20, 2013 03:52 PM (VtjlW)

---------------------------

No, it's not.  Nothing is gonna change.  The Repubs will be forced into passing a CR that funds O'Care - wait and see.  Everything at this point is just political positioning. 

Posted by: Not an Artist at September 20, 2013 11:59 AM (uRumV)

149 @17- "Peter King looks like he was grown out of a culture from a Morton Downey Jr. facial wart." Wow. Just wow. A stellar example of what makes this place so freaking amazing. Extremely well done. I am in awe, sir or madam.

Posted by: Buck Smiley, Rodeo Clown/Freedom Fighter at September 20, 2013 11:59 AM (mm+xE)

150 Why do I give a fuck what Sean Duffy's opinion is? Why is he more trustworthy than Cruz?

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 20, 2013 03:50 PM (pmDdf)

 

-- Because he was a sports announcer  and had a reality show on TV

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at September 20, 2013 11:59 AM (R8hU8)

151 Any man who could stand up and duel another man has huge brass ones. I hope never to be in a gunfight, but if I am I am taking cover and taking aimed shots with a modern weapon.

Posted by: bonhomme at September 20, 2013 03:57 PM (yETln)


----


Dont forget he also personally beat a would be assassin with his walking stick.

Posted by: fixerupper at September 20, 2013 11:59 AM (nELVU)

152 It's 4:00, it's Friday. DRINK!

Posted by: John Smith at September 20, 2013 11:59 AM (wR+pz)

153 Any of you morons got some nails and some wood? I have a feeling we gotta build us a cross for JeffB to climb up on when he complains that we're all crucifying him for being the Lone Light of Truth here that we cannot bear to hear without picking up the pitchforks

Posted by: Pontius Pilate at September 20, 2013 11:59 AM (/9IC1)

154 Peter - I have looked into the future (say 2016) and you are but a rounding difference in the Republican primaries.

Posted by: tofer732 at September 20, 2013 11:59 AM (z3MpN)

155 Can I google "Timbits" or will I violate the Style Guide? You have been warned.

Posted by: blaster at September 20, 2013 12:00 PM (W6bkf)

156 No one talk about Jeff B's girlfriend, whom Cruz obviously banged.

Posted by: Dr Spank at September 20, 2013 12:00 PM (qRasw)

157

I love the smell of moron flamewar in the morning.  It smells like--no, wait, it smells like ass, and it's aggravating as hell.

 

King is a stooge, and I will not entertain argument otherwise.  Where is the evidence that Cruz is bluffing and about to back down?  Horror of horrors that a politician should seek to advance his own career by pursuing a good policy!

Posted by: Conservative Crank at September 20, 2013 12:00 PM (sQ0LB)

158

Stop being a coward, Jeff B.  Tell us you love Obamacare.  Just say it.  You'll FEEL better. 

 

No one will think less of you for it.  Honest. 

Posted by: BurtTC at September 20, 2013 12:00 PM (TOk1P)

159 149 What is he hiding!? Posted by: Nighthawk at September 20, 2013 03:58 PM (VRCBg) He's hiding a shriveled Searchlight salsicce up some toddler's culo.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 20, 2013 12:00 PM (WjLUf)

160

'JeffB?   That guy takes a wide stance on a lot of issues.'

- Stuff Larry Craig Said

Posted by: garrett at September 20, 2013 12:00 PM (L4p+9)

161 Not buying the Cruz is a fraud meme...although the defund o'care thing on TV does seem dubious, He did put himself out their and kept the conversation alive. RINO Pukes like King would have let O'care become just another long forgotton but painful, boondoggle-albatross for the MIDDLE CLASS to endure.


Posted by: dananjcon at September 20, 2013 12:00 PM (wmU4G)

162 146 What, what did I miss? Now Cruz is a traitor and Duffy is the gallant hero? Sean Duffy's bona fide. Cruz is a coward. He's obviously very afraid right now. Unlike the picture of courage that is John Boehner.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 20, 2013 12:00 PM (pmDdf)

163 Ted Cruz coming up on Cavuto's show.

Posted by: RushBabe at September 20, 2013 12:00 PM (hrIP5)

164 So, Cruz sometimes rubs you the wrong way, Ace? Get over your cheap self. This man is a fighter- finally, we have a fighter! I don't care if he makes a misstep now and then as long as he keeps swinging! Cruz is what I thought Rubio would be and more- God love him!

Posted by: parteagirl at September 20, 2013 12:00 PM (Plx/u)

165
No, it's not. Nothing is gonna change. The Repubs will be forced into passing a CR that funds O'Care - wait and see. Everything at this point is just political positioning.

Posted by: Not an Artist at September 20, 2013 03:59 PM (uRumV)


Well, since Boner all but capitulated a couple weeks ago that is the likely end result. He has no record of successfully backing the Dems down on any issue that I'm aware of.

Posted by: KG[/i][/b] at September 20, 2013 12:01 PM (p7BzH)

166

#147

What ATC said

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at September 20, 2013 12:01 PM (R8hU8)

167 And a beer and a shot.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 20, 2013 03:51 PM

Mostly, the journey of a thousand miles starts with kicking the shit out of the gate that blocks your access to the path.

Posted by: MrScribbler at September 20, 2013 12:01 PM (kaGpp)

168 Meanwhile, in a darkened law office across town, Gabriel Malor punches a kitten in the face. Posted by: Empire of Jeff at September 20, 2013 03:55 PM

THAT'S the kind of stuff that I ctrl-F "Jeff" for

Posted by: kbdabear at September 20, 2013 12:01 PM (/9IC1)

169 151 @17- "Peter King looks like he was grown out of a culture from a Morton Downey Jr. facial wart." Wow. Just wow. A stellar example of what makes this place so freaking amazing. Extremely well done. I am in awe, sir or madam. Posted by: Buck Smiley, Rodeo Clown/Freedom Fighter at September 20, 2013 03:59 PM (mm+xE) See me at #62, nudge-nudge wink-wink...

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 20, 2013 12:02 PM (WjLUf)

170 Just go online to look at the exchange I have to use in Ohio.  It's not the Federal one but a private one that of course meets the new Obamacare rules.  Not the broker said the rates on the site were pretty much bogus at the moment (45% lower for the same plan) but said we would be looking at about a 25%-30% decrease because plans now have to use community rating and I am middle-aged.  Take it for what it's worth, but this is going to be an even harder uphill slog.

Posted by: Chris at September 20, 2013 12:03 PM (aBOfW)

171 Anime fan-service.  Can even call it art if you want to.
http://tinyurl.com/kfbq5kn

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at September 20, 2013 12:03 PM (pDfBu)

172 Listen: when the usual DC politicos and journalists were attacking Ted Cruz earlier in the year for being an "attention whore" and "not collegial," etc., do you know what my reaction was?  My reaction was "fuck you, whiners."  It seemed like a bullshit criticism, especially because Cruz was making waves for telling truths, or backing Rand Paul up on his filibuster.  Not only did I not mind that, I loved it.  I respected him for pissing the right people off, and he rose massively in my estimation.

What has torpedoed him for me recently isn't his "non-collegial" style, it isn't the fact that he doesn't play nice -- these are frankly good things in a lot of ways -- it's the fact that he has become a liar.  I don't separate 'good lies' and 'bad lies', I just see a guy who consciously, intentionally shrieking things that he knows to be outright false in an effort to get the base enraged and raise his own profile and get money flowing into his own coffers...and I'm supposed to respect this guy?  Because he's selling me a consolatory dream?  That's like respecting my heroin dealer because the smack he sells me eases the pain of reality.  But reality doesn't actually go away. 

Cruz's whole "defund Obamacare" push has always been predicated upon a lie, which is that if the House and Senate were to somehow 'defund' Obamacare then it would cease to function, even absent a full repeal.  IT IS A FUCKING LIE.  The true 'heroin' of Obamacare, the stuff that's supposed to make it politically tough to repeal -- that goes into effect no matter what because it's spending that is not controlled by the budget battle.  It's automatically budgeted: the subsidies, tax credits, entitlement-like functions, etc.  That stuff is what we're really all claiming to be afraid of w/Obamacare (not these stupid "exchanges" which obviously look they they're not even gonna work properly from the jump), and that stuff is utterly out of our hands. 

But people who don't wonk out about federal budgeting practice seemingly don't even grasp this fact, or claim that "no really we're playing 4-D chess here, it's a triple bank shot we're gonna hit!"

Posted by: Jeff B. at September 20, 2013 12:03 PM (n/+FT)

173 Cruz control.

Posted by: thunderb at September 20, 2013 12:03 PM (mtQdK)

174

And of course called Ted Cruz a liar and a coward to his face

 



You can still do it on Twitter of course. His handle is @tedcruz

 



Copy and paste the screenshot of your tweet telling him what for

 



 

Posted by: kbdabear at September 20, 2013 03:56 PM (/9IC1)

 

-------------------------

 

If that doesn't  sting,  you have zero self-awareness.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at September 20, 2013 12:03 PM (CJjw5)

175

170

But it  was a small kitten

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at September 20, 2013 12:03 PM (R8hU8)

176 They'll take a bold stance and fight like hell! This is the kind of courage that forced the sequester which brought the deficit down to barely over a trillion dollars!!

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at September 20, 2013 12:03 PM (+lsX1)

177
If words in DC meant what they mean to everybody else, a govt. shutdown would be awesome.

Alas, in DC a shutdown means spending 105% of usual instead of 110%.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at September 20, 2013 12:03 PM (sj9LN)

178 the horde turns on everyone, eventually Posted by: Jones ----------------------- True! Why only the other night I made a disparaging remark about Harleys and....., oh, wait...., never mind.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at September 20, 2013 12:04 PM (aDwsi)

179 The more people wail, bitch, moan, snark etc. at Ted Cruz and the Defund/CR strategy, the more I think they fear it and/or him. GO DO IT.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 20, 2013 12:04 PM (WjLUf)

180 >>>I am becoming intrigued by this Mark Time fellow; if he wins the primaries, I'd vote for him for President If he throws as many punches as Mark Trail, I'd vote for him too.

Posted by: wooga at September 20, 2013 12:04 PM (zgFlW)

181

150 -

 

And so the logic is... what?  You think you aren't going to win this political fight, so you don't fight? 

 

Is that how this works?  Give in at the start, because you might not win in the end? 

 

Is trying to do what's right not worth doing if you won't win? 

 

I am sincerely trying to understand what undergirds that political philosophy, because frankly,  it looks a lot like not wanting to give up  a cushy seat in Congress, and nothing more. 

Posted by: BurtTC at September 20, 2013 12:04 PM (TOk1P)

182 One of the benefits of the define effort is the predictably batshit insane response by the Left. People are already making fools of themselves on camera by the minute.

Posted by: Lincolntf at September 20, 2013 12:04 PM (ZshNr)

183 Office of the Speaker H-232 The Capitol Washington, DC 20515 Phone: (202) 225-0600 Fax: (202) 225-5117 - See more at: http://www.speaker.gov/contact#sthash.RnuB94lW.dpuf

There is also a contact form directly on the page.

People should let him know they support him

Posted by: The PC Police at September 20, 2013 12:04 PM (Nx76m)

184 AlextheChick, its just an attention whore in other words.  Mommy never paid attention to him because his other siblings were better, even the family pet.  So here it scampers and capers, struts and frets its hour upon this digital stage trolling for attention.  Just say no.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at September 20, 2013 12:05 PM (pDfBu)

185 Government shutdown means no WH tours. Damn.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at September 20, 2013 12:05 PM (aDwsi)

186 Tell me this:
Are we closer to a repeal of Obamacare now than we were a year ago?

The only thing that has advanced the ball at all in the last year is Cruz.


Posted by: RoyalOil at September 20, 2013 12:05 PM (VjL9S)

187

But people who don't wonk out about federal budgeting practice seemingly don't even grasp this fact, or claim that "no really we're playing 4-D chess here, it's a triple bank shot we're gonna hit!"

 


 

Posted by: Jeff B. at September 20, 2013 04:03 PM (n/+FT)

 

--------------------

 

You understand nothing of us, and even less of yourself.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at September 20, 2013 12:05 PM (CJjw5)

188 local radio news says someone armed with a 'high capacity magazine' shot 13 people in Chicago

Posted by: Jones in CO at September 20, 2013 12:05 PM (8sCoq)

189

174 -

 

Now you're just being a bore. 

Posted by: BurtTC at September 20, 2013 12:06 PM (TOk1P)

190 "Filibuster the House CR? Cruz, Other Conservatives Say ‘Yes’ (Updated)"- http://bit.ly/14r6mvj

Posted by: Miss80sBaby at September 20, 2013 12:06 PM (YjDyJ)

191 > Government shutdown means no WH tours. Damn.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at September 20, 2013 04:05 PM (aDwsi)


don't forget closing the Washington Monument

Posted by: Jones in CO at September 20, 2013 12:06 PM (8sCoq)

192 local radio news says someone armed with a 'high capacity magazine' shot 13 people in Chicago Time or Newsweek?

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at September 20, 2013 12:06 PM (QF8uk)

193 Time for doctors, hospitals, health care pros and us regular people to form "Health Care Clubs." You pay a small membership fee each year - cash - and in return you are entitled to "advice" or a "bartered service." Cut out the government. Underground economy. We'll survive this shit. Somehow.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 20, 2013 12:07 PM (WjLUf)

194 Posted by: Jeff B. at September 20, 2013 04:03 PM TL R

Posted by: Paul Zummo at September 20, 2013 12:07 PM (Ud5vq)

195 My work here is done.

Posted by: Flame War at September 20, 2013 12:07 PM (YAGV/)

196

Cruz's whole "defund Obamacare" push has always been predicated upon a lie, which is that if the House and Senate were to somehow 'defund' Obamacare then it would cease to function, even absent a full repeal. IT IS A FUCKING LIE

--

JeffB

Could you provide that link?

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at September 20, 2013 12:07 PM (R8hU8)

197 Defund, tablet is a whore master sonuvabitch.

Posted by: Lincolntf at September 20, 2013 12:07 PM (ZshNr)

198 >>>You have publicly stated here that you take the contrarian position because you are of a personality type that sees a majority position and then takes the contrary position merely because it is contrary to said majority opinion. Why should anyone believe that a single comment you post sets out a position in which you truly believe or that is based on a core principle?

Umm...because that's not what I publicly stated?  What I said, once, was that yeah sometimes I can kneejerk take a contrary stance before I've thought something through, which is a bad mental habit.  But I back down quickly on those sorts of things -- usually in the same thread!

This is not kneejerk.  This is not a pose.  This is not me trying to be 'cute.'  I have been consistent about where I stand on these things for a long time now.  So don't try to create this "everything this guy says is a lie" meme.  Your question completely misinterprets the spirit of what I wrote back then and turns it into "everything this guy says is a lie."  C'mon now. 

Posted by: Jeff B. at September 20, 2013 12:07 PM (n/+FT)

199 I am sincerely trying to understand what undergirds that political philosophy, because frankly, it looks a lot like not wanting to give up a cushy seat in Congress, and nothing more.

 

 

Posted by: BurtTC at September 20, 2013 04:04 PM (TOk1P)

 

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There's nothing underneath it.  It just exists to preserve what he thinks is his seat at the table.  He could have been a Democrat.  He just happens to be  a Republican.  Doesn't really matter, does it?

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at September 20, 2013 12:08 PM (CJjw5)

200 Fuck King. This is the samek cocksucker who begged for money from Obama after Sandy. Maybe next time Cristie and Obama have a date, they can bring King along for a 3some.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at September 20, 2013 12:08 PM (HDgX3)

201 ....then again i was a Chris Christie fanboy too. Rule number one in politics is that politician will always let you down.

And shit.



Posted by: dananjcon at September 20, 2013 12:08 PM (wmU4G)

202 Any American supporter of the IRA deserves the same rights America offers to Al_Qaeda agents abroad. Fuck Peter King. He should send an apology to the Queen begging her not to send a drone at his mansion.

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at September 20, 2013 12:08 PM (hlV0p)

203 don't forget closing the Washington Monument TheyÂ’re gonna have to evict Grant from his Tomb, too.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at September 20, 2013 12:08 PM (QF8uk)

204 that goes into effect no matter what because it's spending that is not controlled by the budget battle. It's automatically budgeted Each Congress is sovereign. It can undo anything 'automatic.'

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 20, 2013 12:08 PM (g2ldK)

205 194 Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at September 20, 2013 04:06 PM (QF8uk) A high-capacity magazine is either Vogue or Glamour. Lots of pages but no there there.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 20, 2013 12:08 PM (WjLUf)

206 Ok, I'll take the troll bait. What exactly has Cruz lied about?

Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at September 20, 2013 12:08 PM (YmPwQ)

207 JeffB sounds like you are putting words in Cruz's mouth, I don't recall him making the argument that defunding would solve everything, ever.

Posted by: KG[/i][/b] at September 20, 2013 12:08 PM (p7BzH)

208 I don't know whether this effort will be a success, although I'm going to guess it will not. But, damnit, at least they are fighting now. At least they are making an effort instead of sitting on their thumbs.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 20, 2013 12:08 PM (DmNpO)

209 'high capacity magazine' shot 13 people in Chicago The 784-page spring issue of BRIDE magazine?

Posted by: jakeman at September 20, 2013 12:08 PM (vH4YP)

210 @155 you need, I figure, about 36 board-feet, more or less, of a good grade of 4x6, some threaded rod with washers and nuts, and tools.
And don't forget some good ring-shank nails.

Posted by: Cretin, high-grade moron material in thousands of centrifuges at September 20, 2013 12:09 PM (tfSla)

211 So if Cruz is such a tool, why did Boehner decide to march to his beat?

Posted by: blaster at September 20, 2013 12:09 PM (W6bkf)

212 local radio news says someone armed with a 'high capacity magazine' shot 13 people in Chicago

**

Hope it wasn't another AR-15 shotgun shooting.


Posted by: dananjcon at September 20, 2013 12:09 PM (wmU4G)

213 BC/BS has already notified me that my high deductible policy does not meet the standards in the ACA and will be discontinued the first of the year. Nothing in a defunding of enforcement will change that, or a hundred other changes. That being said, it is all we got at this point, outside of pikes, tar and feathers.

Posted by: Al Gore at September 20, 2013 12:09 PM (l3vZN)

214 A high-capacity magazine is either Vogue or Glamour. Lots of pages but no there there. Are they anything like Instyle?

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at September 20, 2013 12:10 PM (QF8uk)

215 Get rid of that old chakra clearing sock

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at September 20, 2013 12:10 PM (l3vZN)

216 Ok, I'll take the troll bait. What exactly has Cruz lied about?

Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at September 20, 2013 04:08 PM (YmPwQ)

**

Been wondering the same.



Posted by: dananjcon at September 20, 2013 12:10 PM (wmU4G)

217 Hope it wasn't another AR-15 shotgun shooting. Posted by: dananjcon at September 20, 2013 04:09 PM (wmU4G) ______________ How big are the "clips" on those things? Like 1000?

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at September 20, 2013 12:10 PM (HDgX3)

218 Tell me this:
Are we closer to a repeal of Obamacare now than we were a year ago?

Is that a serious question? A repeal? Sure, Obama will be cowed by Boehners steely resolve and plead with the Senate democrats to write it up so he can immediately not sign a veto. We're right on the cusp!

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at September 20, 2013 12:10 PM (+lsX1)

219

Nobody ever ran for office promising to be a toady for the party bosses. They all promise to stand up for your values and fight for your issues. They promise to fight the special interests. They promise they wonÂ’t be like all the others.

Ted Cruz is doing something very unusual for Washington DC – he’s keeping his promises.

You donÂ’t have to like Ted Cruz. You certainly donÂ’t have to vote for him. (As far as I know heÂ’s not on any ballots right now anyway.) But you have to admit that heÂ’s doing exactly what he said he would do.

I find that refreshing. I spent too many years voting for people who didnÂ’t keep their promises. I understand that in politics sometime compromises have to be made. But I expect the people I vote for to put up a fight, not just roll over and play dead. If he has to give ground on one issue in order to gain ground on another thatÂ’s one thing. Making deals to further his own career or increase his bank balance is another kettle of fish.

Ted Cruz represents the voters of Texas, not the Republican party. What the party leaders in Washington or the voters in California and New York think of him is irrelevant.

Posted by: Lucky Pierre at September 20, 2013 12:10 PM (5fSr7)

220 You understand nothing of us, and even less of yourself.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at September 20, 2013 04:05 PM (CJjw5)

You're just jealous because Jeff B. sounds like he lives in a big city and has lots of rich friends.

Posted by: Curious at September 20, 2013 12:11 PM (gqgiP)

221 132. Dr. Spank Today's Counterpoint Quote: Focusing on what one doesn’t want is an easy way out of difficult conundrums for many leaders. Expressing what one does want requires more courage. But to move beyond impasses, we need to aim higher. Rather than focusing on how to prevent things from getting worse, we need to think — and talk — about how to make things better. To do that, we all need to muster the courage to start conveying what we want — clearly, concisely and sincerely — and to back it up with the political will to take necessary action. This is the essence of constructive engagement.

Posted by: Hassan Rouhani at September 20, 2013 12:11 PM (MhA4j)

222 Cretin and Pilate save the lumber for the barricades.  Just use one of those Smart trees that fight Global Warming.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at September 20, 2013 12:11 PM (pDfBu)

223 161 149 What is he hiding!? Posted by: Nighthawk at September 20, 2013 03:58 PM (VRCBg) He's hiding a shriveled Searchlight salsicce up some toddler's culo. Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 20, 2013 04:00 PM (WjLUf) ----------- I hadda ask!

Posted by: Nighthawk at September 20, 2013 12:11 PM (VHfsw)

224 I mean, he's been opining on how horrible Zerocare is for months now. I don't recall him saying anything about how defunding it will kill it. I see it ass a good start.

Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at September 20, 2013 12:11 PM (YmPwQ)

225 @215 You may be able to delay it by one year if you move your renewal date to December. Ask your insurance guy.

Posted by: RS at September 20, 2013 12:11 PM (YAGV/)

226 215 BC/BS has already notified me that my high deductible policy does not meet the standards in the ACA and will be discontinued the first of the year. Posted by: Al Gore at September 20, 2013 04:09 PM (l3vZN) _______ LIAR!! Obama said if you like your plan you can keep your plan. He never lies, so that means you must be lying (and a racist).

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at September 20, 2013 12:11 PM (HDgX3)

227 Defunding means defunding the initial implementation and other bureaucratic functions. It is a serious monkey wrench into the machinery of the beast. Although I must say, while it's true that once an entitlement takes hold it's virtually impossible to repeal it, Obamacare isn't a check in the mail. It's a glass of hemlock with a twist. And that's not something that most people want to be entitled to, especially when it's their life in the hands of some Federal employee who couldn't hack the fry-o-lator at Burger King. Then, bloody murder will be screamed for repeal. I hope.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 20, 2013 12:11 PM (WjLUf)

228 Cruz is actually playing this pretty brilliantly. The GOPe want to isolate and eliminate him. Now he has placed the onus on the Republican Senators not to allow cloture, giving the GOP a chance to make it's case to the People. The People are already on board. The problem is that the GOPe doesn't really want Obamacare to go away. I guess they see it as something to run against for years if not decades/ which tells you in the end they don't want to defeat it.

Posted by: Boone at September 20, 2013 12:11 PM (3p8HS)

229 I may be in the minority among Conervatives, but I think delaying it will help Obama and the Dems avoid the embarrassing clusterfuck of these exchanges and thus saving them from voter anger next fall.

"Let it Burn" = Let the Exchanges Do Their Damage.

Posted by: Serious Cat at September 20, 2013 12:11 PM (UypUQ)

230 Contact Ted

http://tinyurl.com/kk4t4gr

You should let him know you support him to.

And maybe you should ask rnad paul, whose senate page times out when I try to go to it,  if they can do  tag team filibuster?


Posted by: The PC Police at September 20, 2013 12:11 PM (Nx76m)

231 This was a good speech by Boehner and a theme they need to keep repeating.


You cannot defund Obamacare.  You can threaten to do so, but in the end if the Dems are just as pigheaded as you are, all you get is a stalemate.

The theme of "the American people have spoken" is the only tactic that might work.  The best we can hope for is the Dems and Obama willingly delaying implementation.  To some, that would be a great victory, and I suppose it would be politically.

I still think we need to let this thing kick in before enough Americans really hate it. (A bare majority is against it, and only in some polls) The post earlier shows young men still have no clue how badly they will get screwed under Obamacare.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at September 20, 2013 12:12 PM (f9c2L)

232

201 -

 

Nope, it really doesn't matter.  You can say it as many times as you want:  The R party better start standing for conservative principles, or it will lose conservatives at the polls. 

 

At some point, you start to get the impression they really don't want conservative votes.  Which is fine.  Sometimes  divorce is inevitable. 

 

And seriously, I really would respect some of the  commenters here if they would just admit that they WANT Obamacare to be  funded.

 

Except Jeff B, of course.  I can't respect someone who won't respect himself. 

Posted by: BurtTC at September 20, 2013 12:12 PM (TOk1P)

233 I've drunk in bars for 40 years and my beautiful wife owned a bar for 8 years. Boehner sounds like he's been drinking every fucking time he speaks! Can the Repubs find a better spokesperson?

Posted by: MoeRon at September 20, 2013 12:12 PM (WpfYl)

234 >>>JeffB
Could you provide that link?

Sure, here's Ed Morrissey of Hot Air making the same point: http://tinyurl.com/lxaxken

Posted by: Jeff B. at September 20, 2013 12:12 PM (n/+FT)

235

You're just jealous because Jeff B. sounds like he lives in a big city and has lots of rich friends.

 


 

Posted by: Curious at September 20, 2013 04:11 PM (gqgiP)

 

 

--------------------------

 

You  fuckin'  scamp - you made me snort out loud in  the middle of the office.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at September 20, 2013 12:12 PM (CJjw5)

236 213 So if Cruz is such a tool, why did Boehner decide to march to his beat? Posted by: blaster at September 20, 2013 04:09 PM (W6bkf) I would say that all the phone calls, letters, e-mails and faxes might have had somewhat of an impact, n'est pas?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 20, 2013 12:12 PM (WjLUf)

237 166 So, Cruz sometimes rubs you the wrong way, Ace? Get over your cheap self. This man is a fighter- finally, we have a fighter! I don't care if he makes a misstep now and then as long as he keeps swinging! Cruz is what I thought Rubio would be and more- God love him! Posted by: parteagirl I would follow Allen West through Hell with a can of gasoline, Ted Cruz too. We might burn, but we will burn fighting. Not on our knee.

Posted by: traye at September 20, 2013 12:13 PM (o7jOz)

238 Didn't the MN Exchange already have a security breach even before going officially online?  Say one of their workers accidentally sent to an insurance agent an email with people's SSN and other vital information.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at September 20, 2013 12:13 PM (pDfBu)

239 Looks like some fool in Sacramento is tryin' to be a Cali Alan Grayson. Posted by: Cretin, high-grade moron material in thousands of centrifuges at September 20, 2013 03:58 PM (tfSla) How is this different from any other day? A day without a death wish is like a day without Democrats on social media.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile[/i][/b][/s][/u] at September 20, 2013 12:13 PM (qyfb5)

240 I too long to live in a world of Lollipops and Rainbows.  Oh, and also in a world where O'Care might, maybe gonna be de-funded.  (clicks heels three times). 

Posted by: Not an Artist at September 20, 2013 12:14 PM (uRumV)

241 233 I still think we need to let this thing kick in before enough Americans really hate it. (A bare majority is against it, and only in some polls) The post earlier shows young men still have no clue how badly they will get screwed under Obamacare. Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at September 20, 2013 04:12 PM (f9c2L) National Health kicked in in the UK in 1947. Not many Brits have stormed Parliament in that time demanding redress. Most have died with bedsores and cruel treatment.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 20, 2013 12:14 PM (WjLUf)

242 231 I may be in the minority among Conervatives, but I think delaying it will help Obama and the Dems avoid the embarrassing clusterfuck of these exchanges and thus saving them from voter anger next fall.

----

I agree. If it can't be defunded, then it must be implemented to the f'n letter, no exceptions. That would probably be even worse for the Donks.

Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at September 20, 2013 12:14 PM (YmPwQ)

243
I still think we need to let this thing kick in before enough Americans really hate it. (A bare majority is against it, and only in some polls) The post earlier shows young men still have no clue how badly they will get screwed under Obamacare.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at September 20, 2013 04:12 PM (f9c2L)


The danger with letting it kick in is that constituencies for it will arise and possibly make it even more difficult to remove it then.

Posted by: KG[/i][/b] at September 20, 2013 12:14 PM (p7BzH)

244 Hey Anna Puma, Have you seen an anime titled- "GYO: Tokyo Fish Attack!" It looks like pretty crazy fun but the only way I can see it is to buy the dang thing. How's about a quickie review if you've seen it?

Posted by: naturalfake at September 20, 2013 12:14 PM (8nunQ)

245 "See me at #62, nudge-nudge wink-wink... " Equally fine work, just want to keep the hyper ventilating accolade posts down to one per day.

Posted by: Buck Smiley, Rodeo Clown/Freedom Fighter at September 20, 2013 12:15 PM (mm+xE)

246 Sure, here's Ed Morrissey of Hot Air making the same point: http://tinyurl.com/lxaxken
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 20, 2013 04:12 PM

Woohoo!

We have to call him Mister Popping Fresh now?

A horse's butt who uses big words is still a horse's butt.

Posted by: MrScribbler at September 20, 2013 12:15 PM (kaGpp)

247 And maybe you should ask rnad paul, whose senate page times out when I try to go to it, if they can do tag team filibuster? *** You can bet that Rand, along with Lee, will be there by his side. Unfortunately, all they can do is give his mind and his voice a rest as he still will not be allowed to sit down or leave the chambers. Eventually, exhaustion, and the need to urinate, will win out.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 20, 2013 12:15 PM (DmNpO)

248 Sure, here's Ed Morrissey of Hot Air making the same point: http://tinyurl.com/lxaxken

Posted by: Jeff B. at September 20, 2013 04:12 PM (n/+FT)


Let me get this straight: your source is Poppin' Fresh?

Posted by: KG[/i][/b] at September 20, 2013 12:15 PM (p7BzH)

249 233 I still think we need to let this thing kick in before enough Americans really hate it. (A bare majority is against it, and only in some polls) The post earlier shows young men still have no clue how badly they will get screwed under Obamacare. Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at September 20, 2013 04:12 PM (f9c2L) ___________ But most people will never know how much they get fucked by it. It's not like everyone will get a bill in the mail for $2000 that says Obamacare on it. It will be through hidden taxes and fees and increased costs. You'll pay $2000 more (I'm just using $2K as an example) but you'll never know you actually paid it.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at September 20, 2013 12:16 PM (HDgX3)

250 When you have democrat spokespeople wishing for tortured death for the children of your staffers, you have gotten a lot right.

Posted by: traye at September 20, 2013 12:16 PM (o7jOz)

251 Umm...because that's not what I publicly stated? What I said, once, was that yeah sometimes I can kneejerk take a contrary stance before I've thought something through, which is a bad mental habit. But I back down quickly on those sorts of things -- usually in the same thread! This is not kneejerk. This is not a pose. This is not me trying to be 'cute.' I have been consistent about where I stand on these things for a long time now. So don't try to create this "everything this guy says is a lie" meme. Your question completely misinterprets the spirit of what I wrote back then and turns it into "everything this guy says is a lie." C'mon now. Posted by: Jeff B. at September 20, 2013 04:07 PM (n/+FT) Please state where, specifically and exactly and using the text of my comment, I said that you lie. Please. I'll wait. Oh, what's that? You can't? Because at no time did I say you lie? In point of fact, it's as if I took care to go out of my way to not accuse you of lying about what you believe. Gee, it's almost as if you were attempting to take my reference to a comment that you made and turn it into something that I did not say. Gosh golly gee willikers, it's a mystery for the ages why it is that I am inclined to believe that you give less than careful consideration to the replies that are made to you. Not to mention that I am inclined to believe that you are unwilling to address the underlying issues concerning if you do, in point of fact, have any fundamental principles animating your beliefs. I'm in a bit of a generous mood, so I will take your response as an answer to my question. Thus, the only way that we can tell if you are giving something other than a kneejerk, non-thought through response to a matter is to see if you are consistent in said position. That does not answer the fundamental question as to whether or not such position was, in and of itself, borne of actual thought and consideration or if it sprung for a non-thought through kneejerk inclination to take the opposite position merely because it is so and then created post hoc justifications for such a response. Frankly, I doubt at this point if even you know if that's true.

Posted by: alexthechick - Team Oh Fuck All This Shit at September 20, 2013 12:16 PM (VtjlW)

252 The danger with letting it kick in is that constituencies for it will arise and possibly make it even more difficult to remove it then. *** Once it is implemented, those who DO get something for nothing will not want to give it up.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 20, 2013 12:17 PM (DmNpO)

253 Definitely should not have googled felching. Its like I am incapable of learning or something... Google sootikin. It's ok. Swearsies.

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at September 20, 2013 12:17 PM (sCynV)

254

245 -

 

Pigs always come to love the garbage that is fed to them. 

Posted by: BurtTC at September 20, 2013 12:17 PM (TOk1P)

255 When you have democrat spokespeople wishing for tortured death for the children of your staffers, you have gotten a lot right. Posted by: traye at September 20, 2013 04:16 PM (o7jOz) And it also goes to show that democrats are the lowest scum on the face of the earth

Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 20, 2013 12:17 PM (jE38p)

256 OBAMA: Republicans 'trying to mess with me'...
'We are not some Banana Republic'...
from drudge

Posted by: The PC Police at September 20, 2013 12:17 PM (Nx76m)

257 All you need to know about O-Care: I need a medical procedure done. My own doctor said, "Get it done before 12-31-13 or you might not get it."

Posted by: RS at September 20, 2013 12:18 PM (YAGV/)

258 Cruz missle aimed at Ocare

Posted by: thunderb at September 20, 2013 12:18 PM (mtQdK)

259 Democrats will - and are - answer the "listen to the people" crap with their own "the people have spoken, it's called elections" and in fact they have a better case than we do.  Opinion polls are meaningless; when it counted, Obama and Democratic Senators like Tester were reelected. 

On the bright side, Cruz and Lee have built large databases of suckers who "signed petitions" against ObamaCare which they will now use to raise money for their future campaigns.

In the meantime, their Underpants Gnome Theory of Legislating fails to specify how they force Harry Reid to bring the vote on it they want.  He will manage to strip out the defunding within seconds of the bill hitting the floor.  The rules?  You think Reid cares for your puny rules, Earthling? 

Posted by: Adjoran at September 20, 2013 12:18 PM (473jB)

260 >>>190 local radio news says someone armed with a 'high capacity magazine' shot 13 people in Chicago Juggs is a high capacity magazine.

Posted by: wooga at September 20, 2013 12:18 PM (zgFlW)

261 Btw. My girl Kay Hagen is actually running on "keep the government from getting between you and your doctor." The ipab which she voted for. These folks know they stepped in it.

Posted by: traye at September 20, 2013 12:19 PM (o7jOz)

262 Ed Morrissey is an idiot.

Posted by: Dr Spank at September 20, 2013 12:19 PM (qRasw)

263  local radio news says someone armed with a 'high capacity magazine' shot 13 people in Chicago

Posted by: Jones in CO at September 20, 2013 04:05 PM (8sCoq)

______________________

I used to shoot a lot of high capacity loads when I "read" certain magazines

Posted by: Truck Monkey, Gruntled New Business Owner at September 20, 2013 12:19 PM (32Ze2)

264 naturalfake, not seen that one.  Zombie mutant fish attacking Japan and all Kaori wants to do is find her boyfriend.  Dunno.  It might be better than it sounds.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at September 20, 2013 12:19 PM (pDfBu)

265 Where are all the chicks? Not that you guys aren't fascinating....

Posted by: Caliban at September 20, 2013 12:19 PM (DrC22)

266 Cruzing for a bruising

Posted by: thunderb at September 20, 2013 12:19 PM (mtQdK)

267 In the meantime, their Underpants Gnome Theory of Legislating fails to specify how they force Harry Reid to bring the vote on it they want. He will manage to strip out the defunding within seconds of the bill hitting the floor. The rules? You think Reid cares for your puny rules, Earthling?

Posted by: Adjoran at September 20, 2013 04:18 PM (473jB)


It's called conference and holding the line.

Posted by: KG[/i][/b] at September 20, 2013 12:19 PM (p7BzH)

268 This is a win/win situation.  If it works we win.  If it doesn't, we drew a clear distinction between conservative and liberal policies.

Posted by: Big Ben at September 20, 2013 12:20 PM (I5Htn)

269 215 BC/BS has already notified me that my high deductible policy does not meet the standards in the ACA and will be discontinued the first of the year.

Nothing in a defunding of enforcement will change that, or a hundred other changes.

That being said, it is all we got at this point, outside of pikes, tar and feathers.
=============
Haven't got that letter yet.

But, I know it's coming.

Posted by: RoyalOil at September 20, 2013 12:20 PM (VjL9S)

270 National Health kicked in in the UK in 1947. Not many Brits have stormed Parliament in that time demanding redress. Most have died with bedsores and cruel treatment.

NHS left Grandmother to die of thirst in a hallway, but hey, free Valtrex.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at September 20, 2013 12:20 PM (/kI1Q)

271

Pretty sure the whole deal here is forcing the Donks to get all hepped up supporting OCare and then jamming it up their asses next year. How is this a bad thing? Because we tilt at windmills a year prior?

 

I know 5 guys named Sean Duffy. One of them's black, too. FY fuckin' I

Posted by: spongeworthy at September 20, 2013 12:20 PM (r5w1L)

272 Whodathunk? Lindsey Graham ‏@GrahamBlog 2h I support the House-passed bill to Defund Obamacare. #SenateMustAct

Posted by: Ragamuffin at September 20, 2013 12:20 PM (fzFF6)

273 Ace I'm surpprised Cruz rubs you the wrong way. I know you don't think him manly enough, at least to run as president, but he is perfect in the senate. Besides his political skills by virtue of being from Texas he carries extra weight. His gravitational force of pulling people to the right is quite amazing.

Posted by: SH at September 20, 2013 12:20 PM (nETWY)

274 You're just jealous because Jeff B. sounds like he lives in a big city and has lots of rich friends.

Posted by: Curious at September 20, 2013 04:11 PM (gqgiP)

**


Excellent use of sock.


You get the sock-of-the-day-award.

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Posted by: dananjcon at September 20, 2013 12:21 PM (wmU4G)

275 If Ocare was so bad why didn't the Reps do all they could to stop it when they could.

Posted by: Future Voter at September 20, 2013 12:21 PM (I5Htn)

276 >>>Let me get this straight: your source is Poppin' Fresh?

Okay, this is the sort of shit that makes you look dumb, and not me.  Get this: a fact is still a fact regardless of your opinion of the person stating it.  The following is not a winning logical argument:

ME: Even if we 'win' the Ted Cruz strategy of defunding Obamacare, it wouldn't solve the problem at all because most of the truly toxic spending is statutory in nature and not budgetary.

YOU: Oh yeah?  Show me some proof!

ME: Well you could read the PPACA law but that's two billion pages, so here's a summary by Ed Morrissey instead.

YOU: That guy is such a LOLFAG!

See, regardless of whether you call Morrissey a stupid nickname or not, the legal distinction between statutory and budgetary spending, and how "defunding" or a government shutdown would affect those two types of spending still exists. 

Posted by: Jeff B. at September 20, 2013 12:21 PM (n/+FT)

277 This is a win/win situation. If it works we win. If it doesn't, we drew a clear distinction between conservative and liberal policies.

Posted by: Big Ben at September 20, 2013 04:20 PM (I5Htn)


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Yeah.... but..... it wont helps us win any independent voters.


(Dont make me add the sarc tag)

Posted by: fixerupper at September 20, 2013 12:21 PM (nELVU)

278 All you need to know about O-Care: I need a medical procedure done. My own doctor said, "Get it done before 12-31-13 or you might not get it." Posted by: RS at September 20, 2013 04:18 PM (YAGV/) You remember how people would come to the US for important medical procedures they couldn't get in a timely fashion in their own countries? Good times, good times.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile[/i][/b][/s][/u] at September 20, 2013 12:22 PM (qyfb5)

279 Haven't got that letter yet. But, I know it's coming. Posted by: RoyalOil at September 20, 2013 04:20 PM (VjL9S) _____________ If you haven't received it, you might not receive it. Those letters were sent out a while back by all the insurers. You may be one of the lucky ones who actually does get to keep their plan.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at September 20, 2013 12:22 PM (HDgX3)

280 All you need to know about O-Care: I need a medical procedure done. My own doctor said, "Get it done before 12-31-13 or you might not get it." *** I need a new AICD every 4 years or so. It's about a $120k procedure with a much more expensive procedure every 15 years or so to replace the wiring. I will lose my medical insurance as of April of next year and will do whatever it takes to pay for COBRA. However, COBRA only lasts for two years. I am dreading what will happen when it runs out.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 20, 2013 12:22 PM (DmNpO)

281 I know you don't think him manly enough, at least to run as president, but he is perfect in the senate.

He's no rock climber, that's for sure.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at September 20, 2013 12:22 PM (+lsX1)

282

Mommy Cruz won't stop poking me.   Whahhh.  Make him stop. 

Posted by: Petey King at September 20, 2013 12:23 PM (m2CN7)

283 I agree. If it can't be defunded, then it must be implemented to the f'n letter, no exceptions. That would probably be even worse for the Donks.

Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at September 20, 2013 04:14 PM (YmPwQ)

Yes. If only those employer mandates were still in affect... would have lead to a f'ing Democratic bloodbath next fall.  I don't wish ill will on small business owners, but better to have them take thier lumps now when they can still enact revenge/retribution immediately in the Fall than have to undergo the pain in 2015, after the architects of that mandate have been reelected fro another 24 months to 6 years.

Posted by: Serious Cat at September 20, 2013 12:23 PM (UypUQ)

284 I like Ted Cruz, I voted for him, and I support him. while on one hand I would love to subject these libs to the horrible shit known as obamacare so they can suck it....but then when it fails they will say....see we need single payer....it'll be sooooooo much better and all the bobbleheads will go ....oooooooh yeah we do...lead us oh wise one

Posted by: Kawfytawk at September 20, 2013 12:23 PM (EY4Et)

285 ObamaCare will be funded through a shutdown and parts of it will continue even if it is defunded or delayed:

"Obamacare funding would continue even if government shut down"- http://bit.ly/16AlogP

"Obamacare is baked into law, and the president has the power to defend it"- http://bit.ly/1cvVTC4

The only way to uproot it is to completely defund and repeal it.

Posted by: Miss80sBaby at September 20, 2013 12:23 PM (YjDyJ)

286 188 Tell me this:
Are we closer to a repeal of Obamacare now than we were a year ago?

The only thing that has advanced the ball at all in the last year is Cruz.


Posted by: RoyalOil at September 20, 2013 04:05 PM

Haven't you heard? The winning strategy according to the Smart People Who Know How Stuff Gets Done is to go into Prevent Defense right after kickoff and only throw screen passes on Offense


Posted by: kbdabear at September 20, 2013 12:23 PM (/9IC1)

287 They didn't need to ruin the best healthcare system in the world.  We didn't need to watch all these doctors scrambling to put all our personal health information in the cloud cause "it's the law".  Now so many practices are being taken over by monolithic hospital corporations, so your second opinion will come from another doctor who works for the same monolith.  We didn't need to have to watch all these doctors retire cause they could see a mess down the road.

All they had to do was have the health insurance carriers send a card to anyone uninsured and have them check off what company they wanted.  They could have had a box on your income tax form, like they do for their own campaign money, asking if you want to contribute a dollar to fund someone's health insurance and you'd do it, it's worth it not to muck up the system as it is even though it may be irrevocably mucked up.  They could have passed a law decoupling your insurance from you job and insisting that people be covered for pre existing conditions and it would have been done.  And we'd still have the greatest healthcare system in the world.

Posted by: The PC Police at September 20, 2013 12:23 PM (Nx76m)

288 Ex-U.S. soldier Eric Harroun, who allegedly fought alongside an Al Qaeda affiliate against the forces of Syrian president Bashar al-Assad, pleaded guilty to a lesser charge Thursday and was sentenced to time served, The Military Times reported. Harroun, a Phoenix native, was charged in June with conspiracy to provide material support to a foreign terrorist organization and conspiracy to use destructive devices overseas, the U.S. Department of Justice said in a statement. Those charges, one of which carries a maximum sentence of life imprisonment if convicted, were reduced to a charge of conspiring to violate arms-control laws, the report said. U.S. District Judge Claude Hilton accepted the plea on the lesser charge. The case posed a political dilemma for the Justice Department. Harroun was fighting for the Syrian rebels, who are supported by the Obama State Department. FOX NEWS: I smell a rat

Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 20, 2013 12:23 PM (jE38p)

289 But most people will never know how much they get fucked by it. It's not like everyone will get a bill in the mail for $2000 that says Obamacare on it. It will be through hidden taxes and fees and increased costs. You'll pay $2000 more (I'm just using $2K as an example) but you'll never know you actually paid it. Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo
.........
Horseshit.  Anyone who fills out any tax form each year will deal squarely with the costs- and the frustrations of more paperwork proving you have insurance, etc.

Young healthy men will find out their nice $50 per month premium for a catastrophic plan is now illegal and they have to now pay $300 per month for a Cadillac plan that includes "free" office visits they will never use.

Young women who only visited OB/Gyne's as needed will want to get their "free" office visit and find out there aren't enough doctors to service them.  My wife currently has to wait six months to see hers as it is.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at September 20, 2013 12:23 PM (f9c2L)

290 BCBS is KOing many policies.  Pack cash into your HSA account and cancel your policy - time to go without.

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at September 20, 2013 12:24 PM (n8LUb)

291 255 The danger with letting it kick in is that constituencies for it will arise and possibly make it even more difficult to remove it then. *** Once it is implemented, those who DO get something for nothing will not want to give it up. Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 20, 2013 04:17 PM (DmNpO) Unlike SSI or Foodstamps or whatever, Obamacare is not a check in the mail. It's a pain pill and a death panel. You can print all the money you want, but you can't print doctors, nurses, hospital beds and medicine. When shortages and dislocations cause real physical pain and suffering, I think there will be a geschrei like you ain't heard before. I hope.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 20, 2013 12:24 PM (WjLUf)

292 >>>On the bright side, Cruz and Lee have built large databases of suckers who "signed petitions" against ObamaCare which they will now use to raise money for their future campaigns.

Are the people here who happily insult me (and yes, I invite in many ways) really so naive as to not realize that this is actually what this was all about?  Cruz doesn't think Obamacare is going to be stopped or delayed in any way.  He's not an idiot, and he doesn't believe in unicorns and faeries -- he knows the laws and congressional procedures.  This is primarily about branding himself and compiling a donor list for a future national campaign. 

Posted by: Jeff B. at September 20, 2013 12:24 PM (n/+FT)

293 When I compare myself to Cruz is does not take long. The man is superior, with superior intellect. I wish I was more like him even. Maybe my dork is larger, that would be cool.

Posted by: nip at September 20, 2013 12:24 PM (jI23+)

294 Im thinking that a platform where Ted Cruz and team can tag team smackdown Ocare, with every sob story, layoff notice and anecdote they can find, for the LIVs, and then say, every other sentence, Congress and the President EXEMPTED themselves from it, they decree YOU have to swallow this shit sandwich and pay much more, earn less for crappier healthcare but they and their pals dont....why they didn't scream about the congressional self-exemption and thousands of exemptions for their corporate and union pals and cherry picked 'delays' until after the election, every day I do not understand. I get enraged everytime I think about that.

Posted by: goldiocks at September 20, 2013 12:25 PM (1kxWc)

295 Ted Cruz is doing something very unusual for Washington DC – he’s keeping his promises. You have to admit that he’s doing exactly what he said he would do. I find that refreshing. Ted Cruz represents the voters of Texas, not the Republican party. posted by: Lucky Pierre at September 20, 2013 04:10 PM (5fSr7) I find it refreshing that Ted Cruz represents Constitutional Governance which the voters of Texas demand from every branch, bureau, agency and employee of government. //Cruz kicks gopper varmint ass.

Posted by: Hassan Rouhani at September 20, 2013 12:25 PM (MhA4j)

296 Between saying that any voter opposed to Obamacare is wrong and now framing this as solely because a party is opposing him and not 60% or more of the country I have to say that Mr Mom Jeans is suddenly waving around a wholly undeserved big set of balls.


Michelle is probably home baking cookies and watching a chick flick while he borrows them.

Posted by: H Badger at September 20, 2013 12:25 PM (n/0Nw)

297 Lindsey Graham ‏@GrahamBlog 2h I support the House-passed bill to Defund Obamacare. #SenateMustAct Those initial internal primary polls must not be good for Lady Lindsey. *** The RNC is desperate as is evidenced by the fact that they call my home and get an earful every couple of weeks or so. Today I made sure to remind them that as long as they support candidates such as Graham, I will send my money directly to candidates such as Richard Cash. I pointed out that the fact that I don't live in SC is irrelevant as the harm that is done by Graham is nationwide. I might have thrown in something about Jeb Bush and Karl Rove while I was at it.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 20, 2013 12:25 PM (DmNpO)

298 So I was reading the Twitter feed of that professor who wished death for the children of NRA people...


scary stuff. I'll say this without any hyperbole: were I his boss, not only would I fire him, I'd get a restraining order against him. I wouldn't want him closer than a mile to my house or work or family. He has a lot of murderous fantasies and he's not shy about sharing them.

Posted by: Jones in CO at September 20, 2013 12:25 PM (8sCoq)

299 damn sock

Posted by: panzernashorn at September 20, 2013 12:25 PM (MhA4j)

300 See, regardless of whether you call Morrissey a stupid nickname or not, the legal distinction between statutory and budgetary spending, and how "defunding" or a government shutdown would affect those two types of spending still exists.

Posted by: Jeff B. at September 20, 2013 04:21 PM (n/+FT)


You know, I actually went to your link, and guess what? It doesn't prove your point for shit. You just flat out made up the "lie" that Cruz supposedly gave.


And what Poppin' Fresh said there? That defunding wouldn't take care of everything in Obamacare? Well no shit sherlock! We gotta do what we can when we can, if we have some way of doing some damage to Obamacare, then let's do it. What, you want to wait till you have supermajorities in Congress AND the presidency before acting? Heh, good fucking luck.

Posted by: KG[/i][/b] at September 20, 2013 12:25 PM (p7BzH)

301 291 Haven't you heard? The winning strategy according to the Smart People Who Know How Stuff Gets Done is to go into Prevent Defense right after kickoff and only throw screen passes on Offense Posted by: kbdabear at September 20, 2013 04:23 PM (/9IC1) Nah. The winning strategy is to throw the game and/or forfeit before it begins.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 20, 2013 12:25 PM (WjLUf)

302 Cruz coup.

Posted by: thunderb at September 20, 2013 12:25 PM (pIaZ4)

303 >>ME: Even if we 'win' the Ted Cruz strategy of defunding Obamacare, it wouldn't solve the problem at all because most of the truly toxic spending is statutory in nature and not budgetary.


Congress still has to authorize the spending, if it's not there(the funds), it's deemed an amendment to any statutory provision since it will have been passed later in time.

Posted by: Dr Spank at September 20, 2013 12:25 PM (qRasw)

304 Imagine if Rubio were leading this charge now? Amazing he took himself sown over immigration.

Posted by: SH at September 20, 2013 12:25 PM (nETWY)

305 I need a new AICD every 4 years or so. It's about a $120k procedure with a much more expensive procedure every 15 years or so to replace the wiring. Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 20, 2013 04:22 PM (DmNpO) There's a new design that runs off your own body and not a battery. Added advantage - it's installed at the heart so no wire running through an artery. Downside - with AmeriNHS, we may never see it hit the market. Sorry you have to deal with this, I'm sure *everyone* has heard me whine about my own issues by now so you know I know what it's like.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile[/i][/b][/s][/u] at September 20, 2013 12:26 PM (qyfb5)

306

If Boehner is now onboard the defund train, this Obamacare must be worse than any of us can imagine.

 

Or, you know, its another intra-party flamewar.

Posted by: Bigby's Trigger Finger at September 20, 2013 12:26 PM (3ZtZW)

307 The only way to uproot it is to completely defund and repeal it.
Posted by: Miss80sBaby
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The "repeal" part is correct.  And impossible under the current state in Congress and with a Dem prez.  If it's repealed, it will be defunded.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at September 20, 2013 12:26 PM (f9c2L)

308 Maybe my dork is larger, that would be cool. **** Completely OK, but funny. David Spade ‏@DavidSpade 38m Im so bummed this bird with a huge dick just slammed into the glass. I hope hes ok. 4th time thisÂ… http://t.co/i9s0IOkVi3

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 20, 2013 12:27 PM (DmNpO)

309 I have said ever since Cruz was elected that he was a fraud.  Now he has the opportnity to prove me wrong.  I doubt he will.

Posted by: georgeofthedesert at September 20, 2013 12:27 PM (Eq2MX)

310 Completely OT, I mean.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 20, 2013 12:27 PM (DmNpO)

311

>>>BCBS is KOing many policies

 

I got a customer service satisafaction survey the other day from them. Buried in the middle was a question about how much %age increase I'd be willing to bear for the same service, etc.

Posted by: Bigby's Trigger Finger at September 20, 2013 12:28 PM (3ZtZW)

312 When shortages and dislocations cause real physical pain and suffering, I think there will be a geschrei like you ain't heard before.

I wish I had your optimism.   I expect people will cling even harder to the crumbs they're still allowed to have.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at September 20, 2013 12:28 PM (/kI1Q)

313 That said, just because the messenger is questionable doesn't mean the message itself is wrong. Cruz really HAS behaved like a cowardly, disingenuous turd since July and August on this fake "Defund Obamacare" stuff. A lot of people are going to have a hard time moving past the definite "snake-oil salesman" reputation he's created for himself here.

Posted by: Jeff B., being That Guy, as usual. at September 20, 2013 03:43 PM (n/+FT)

 

Late to the thread but did he really post this or was this someone socking JeffB?

 

What a big horse turd of a comment. 

 

 

Posted by: Petey King at September 20, 2013 12:29 PM (m2CN7)

314 And by the way, no matter what the tactical effects of defunding, the important strategic goal is to get out above the MFM and tell the American people WHY you are doing this and why Obamacare is an absolutely evil disaster if it is not stopped. This is a winning message. Most Americans across the political spectrum do not want this law to stand. Besides a monkey wrench to delay this thing, that is a really important factor as well IMHO.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 20, 2013 12:29 PM (WjLUf)

315

Punch UP! ...you guys!

Posted by: garrett at September 20, 2013 12:29 PM (L4p+9)

316

You're already paying for this shit sandwich.

I took my fekking dog to the vet and got nicked for medical devices.

Now, if Big John Boner can roll that back, I'll kiss his drunken ass.

Posted by: RolandTHTG at September 20, 2013 12:29 PM (QM5S2)

317 How is Cruz to prove himself not a fraud. What does that mean

Posted by: SH at September 20, 2013 12:29 PM (nETWY)

318

Are the people here who happily insult me (and yes, I invite in many ways) really so naive as to not realize that this is actually what this was all about?

 

-------------------------

 

Wow.  You really don't get it.

 

The real  fight isn't against Obamacare.  It's against the leadership  of the GOP by the conservative base.  It's against YOU.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at September 20, 2013 12:29 PM (CJjw5)

319 There's a new design that runs off your own body and not a battery. Added advantage - it's installed at the heart so no wire running through an artery. Downside - with AmeriNHS, we may never see it hit the market. Sorry you have to deal with this, I'm sure *everyone* has heard me whine about my own issues by now so you know I know what it's like. *** WOW! I haven't heard about it. I bet my cardiologist is dying to get his hands on those. It's awful that people are so frightened of what is to come.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 20, 2013 12:29 PM (DmNpO)

320 Tonight's Mega Million is a $145 million annuity or about $98 million cash.  Who knows, win that and you might be able to afford to keep your doctor.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at September 20, 2013 12:30 PM (pDfBu)

321 275 Pretty sure the whole deal here is forcing the Donks to get all hepped up supporting OCare and then jamming it up their asses next year. How is this a bad thing? Because we tilt at windmills a year prior? I know 5 guys named Sean Duffy. One of them's black, too. FY fuckin' I Posted by: spongeworthy at September 20, 2013 04:20 PM (r5w1L) ----- To me, at least, that's it. Of course, we're going to go all circular firing squad over it, like a bunch of sports talk show callers arguing whether we lost because we went to the no-huddle too late or the prevent too early.

Posted by: Dave S. at September 20, 2013 12:31 PM (H0qOD)

322 Stupid. Stupid to quit. To not fight. To cower. To refuse to lead. To beg. To capitulate. Lead, follow, or get out of the way.

Posted by: thunderb at September 20, 2013 12:32 PM (wCckJ)

323 318 When shortages and dislocations cause real physical pain and suffering, I think there will be a geschrei like you ain't heard before. I wish I had your optimism. I expect people will cling even harder to the crumbs they're still allowed to have. Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at September 20, 2013 04:28 PM (/kI1Q) Well, when the economy collapses like a wet copy of "Rules for Radicals," then all our crying over what Obamacare will mean will be academic anyway.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 20, 2013 12:32 PM (WjLUf)

324 http://t.co/i9s0IOkVi3

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 20, 2013 04:27 PM (DmNpO

*

Now thats some funneh shit.  Hope the bird has good insurance.



Posted by: dananjcon at September 20, 2013 12:33 PM (wmU4G)

325 Unlike SSI or Foodstamps or whatever, Obamacare is not a check in the mail. It's a pain pill and a death panel. You can print all the money you want, but you can't print doctors, nurses, hospital beds and medicine. When shortages and dislocations cause real physical pain and suffering, I think there will be a geschrei like you ain't heard before. I hope. **** All one needs to do is look at how the V.A. is run and the huge backlog of veterans needing help. FNC did a piece this morning about all the bonuses that were paid out to the V.A. officials all while a tremendous backlog built up and while communicable diseases were on the rise in V.A. hospitals.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 20, 2013 12:33 PM (DmNpO)

326 253 When you have democrat spokespeople wishing for tortured death for the children of your staffers, you have gotten a lot right. Posted by: traye at September 20, 2013 04:16 PM (o7jOz) This is where I expressly advocate violence. That man needs to have his teeth knocked out. “Never tell a lie, nor take what is not your own, nor sue anybody for slander, assault and battery. Always settle them cases yourself.” – Andrew Jackson

Posted by: Diogenes'Lamp at September 20, 2013 12:33 PM (bb5+k)

327

Posted by: Jeff B. at September 20, 2013 04:24 PM (n/+FT)

 

This is all about fundraising for Cruz?     Are you fucking retarded?   Automatic scoll  past  button  activated. 

Posted by: Petey King at September 20, 2013 12:34 PM (m2CN7)

328 Once it is implemented, those who DO get something for nothing will not want to give it up. Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 20, 2013 04:17 PM (DmNpO) And thanks to the last three words of the 24th amendment, they can vote for you to pay for it. No Representation without Taxation.

Posted by: Diogenes'Lamp at September 20, 2013 12:35 PM (bb5+k)

329 It's awful that people are so frightened of what is to come. Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 20, 2013 04:29 PM (DmNpO) It's doubly awful that the fear is justified. I hope you can work an insurance deal out. Or win the lottery or something.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile[/i][/b][/s][/u] at September 20, 2013 12:36 PM (qyfb5)

330 Tonight's Mega Million is a $145 million annuity or about $98 million cash. Who knows, win that and you might be able to afford to keep your doctor. *** Please! If I win that I'll have my own private physicians on call. Them, and a private hairdresser.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 20, 2013 12:36 PM (DmNpO)

331 Whoever said it up thread is right. You don't fight because you're guaranteed a win. You fight because it's the right thing to do. This IS the right thing to do on so many levels. Whatever the outcome, we need to tell the fucking leftists in DC - on both sides of the aisle - that we are sick and fucking tired of getting the shit beat out of us and we will stand for no more. Do your worst. We'll do our best. Fuck this tyranny. G-d bless Ted Cruz, Mike Lee and anyone else who is taking a stand.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 20, 2013 12:36 PM (WjLUf)

332 I have always made the max contribution to the HSA , currently 6250., but can't this year. Economy has us f****d I'm afraid. I guess HSAs will be a thing of the past too.

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at September 20, 2013 12:37 PM (l3vZN)

333 infuriating post up

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 20, 2013 12:38 PM (DmNpO)

334 2008 Republican Party Platform http://tinyurl.com/mpttotq Review how your GOP elected officials actually vote. • We will insist that the budget reasonably plan for the long-term costs of pension and health care programs and urge the conversion of such programs to defined contribution programs. • Finally, while government requires corporations to budget for future pension and health care costs, our government ignores those requirements. No family or private sector business could keep its books the way Washington keeps ours. • We support the Government Shutdown Protection Act to ensure the continuance of essential federal functions when advocates of pork threaten to shut down the government unless their wasteful spending is accepted. • We will insist that the budget reasonably plan for the long-term costs of pension and health care programs and urge the conversion of such programs to defined contribution programs. • Republicans support tax credits for health care and medical expenses. Small Business: the Engine of Job Growth In 2000, when Democrats controlled the Executive Branch, small business faced a hostile regulatory agenda, from OSHA's ergonomics standards and attempts to intrude into the homes of telecommuting employees to IRS discrimination against independent contractors. Republicans turned back those threats, along with much of the onerous taxation that limited the growth of small businesses. We reduced their marginal tax rates, quadrupled the limit on their expensing of investments, and phased out the death tax on family owned small businesses and family farms. We enacted Health Savings Accounts to help small business owners secure health insurance for themselves and their employees. All those gains are jeopardized if Democrats gain unfettered power once again. Republicans will advance a multi-pronged plan to support small business and grow good-paying jobs: • Through the energy agenda laid out elsewhere in this platform, we will attack the rise in energy costs that is making it so difficult for entrepreneurs to compete. • Our tax reduction and tax simplification agenda will allow businesses to focus on producing and selling their products and services — not on paying taxes. • Our plan to return control of health care to patients and providers will benefit small business employers and employees alike. • Our determination to vigorously open foreign markets to American products is an opportunity for many small businesses to grow larger in the global economy. • Our approach to regulation — basing it on sound science to achieve goals that are technically feasible — will protect against job killing intrusions into small businesses. • Our commitment to legal reform means protecting small businesses from the effects of frivolous lawsuits. Using history as our guide, we look to innovative entrepreneurs for the ingenuity and daring that can give us the next generation of technological progress. The advances our country needs, in everything from health care to energy to environmental protection, are most likely to come from the men and women of small business. Enforcing the Rule of Law at the Border and Throughout the Nation: Our commitment to the rule of law means smarter enforcement at the workplace, against illegal workers and lawbreaking employers alike, along with those who practice identity theft and traffic in fraudulent documents. As long as jobs are available in the United States, economic incentives to enter illegally will persist. But we must empower employers so they can know with confidence that those they hire are permitted to work. That means that the EVerify system—which is an internet-based system that verifies the employment authorization and identity of employees—must be reauthorized. A phased in requirement that employers use the E-Verify system must be enacted. The rule of law means guaranteeing to law enforcement the tools and coordination to deport criminal aliens without delay — and correcting court decisions that have made deportation so difficult. It means enforcing the law against those who overstay their visas, rather than letting millions flout the generosity that gave them temporary entry. It means imposing maximum penalties on those who smuggle illegal aliens into the U.S., both for their lawbreaking and for their cruel exploitation. It means requiring cooperation among federal, state and local law enforcement and real consequences, including the denial of federal funds, for self-described sanctuary cities, which stand in open defiance of the federal and state statutes that expressly prohibit such sanctuary policies, and which endanger the lives of U.S. citizens. It does not mean driver's licenses for illegal aliens, nor does it mean that states should be allowed to flout the federal law barring them from giving in-state tuition rates to illegal aliens, nor does it mean that illegal aliens should receive social security benefits, or other public benefits, except as provided by federal law. We oppose amnesty. The rule of law suffers if government policies encourage or reward illegal activity. The American people's rejection of en masse legalizations is especially appropriate given the federal government's past failures to enforce the law.

Posted by: panzernashorn at September 20, 2013 12:39 PM (MhA4j)

335 I have one beer in the fridge. Wife will be stopping at the grocery store to bring more. My dilemma, when do I drink my one beer ? She could be home anytime between now and 6. If I drink my solo beer and then have to wait 90 minutes for another, I'll be sad, but if I wait much longer and she shows up in 15 minutes with the new beer then, I'm actually squandering prime beer drinking time right now. I can't call, I already bugged her to get the beer.

Posted by: Lincolntf at September 20, 2013 12:39 PM (ZshNr)

336 331 Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 20, 2013 04:33 PM (DmNpO) I hear you bro. But maybe this is different. Tragic as it is, the nation shits all over its veterans and could care fuck all about them. That is an unforgivable sin. But when the shit hits the fan - when a Kool-Aid drinking true believer is told that he has to wait 24 months for a hip replacement or that it's not worth it for him to get bypass surgery... well, that will be something to see. I hope those who voted for this will suffer and will understand finally what they have brought upon themselves and us all. We'll see, I guess. Ugh.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 20, 2013 12:40 PM (WjLUf)

337 I'm just pissed because I missed the climategate thread. And it's like Climategate 4.0 BTW.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile[/i][/b][/s][/u] at September 20, 2013 12:40 PM (qyfb5)

338 272 This is a win/win situation. If it works we win. If it doesn't, we drew a clear distinction between conservative and liberal policies. Posted by: Big Ben at September 20, 2013 04:20 PM (I5Htn) I concur with others who have said that if we can't stop it, implement it fully without delay. If we can't prevent the wreckage, then we need to make it as BAD OF A WRECK AS POSSIBLE. An electorate this stupid only understands PAIN.

Posted by: Diogenes'Lamp at September 20, 2013 12:41 PM (bb5+k)

339 >>>The real fight isn't against Obamacare. It's against the leadership of the GOP by the conservative base. It's against YOU.

Oh get off your high horse, ffs.  I'm just Some Guy on the internet.  I'm not making executive decisions.

And if this is a fight against "the leadership" then you forgot to tell the guys who are fighting it because they seem to think it's about Obamacare.  You're substituting your own 'fight' in for the one that's actually happening, but that doesn't make it any more true.  So spare me your doltish chest-thumping, o brave keyboard Conan.

Posted by: Jeff B. at September 20, 2013 12:41 PM (n/+FT)

340 NDH, not disputing you but that sounds odd to me re: every 4 years.  Usual lifespan of a generator for a pacemaker has been quoted to me as about a decade, and Heaven knows I've seen plenty of patients on year 12 or 15 and it's still going.  I suppose an AICD uses a higher current when it does fire, but unless it's going off all the time I would think it should have a similar lifespan.

Posted by: Conservative Crank at September 20, 2013 12:41 PM (sQ0LB)

341 >>>Please state where, specifically and exactly and using the text of my comment, I said that you lie. Please. I'll wait. I'll say it atc. Jeffb lies I even got him to admit it when he claimed to have not said something and I provided a direct link to the comment that he did. So between Ted Cruz and Jeff b which one is the liar again?

Posted by: Buzzion at September 20, 2013 12:42 PM (gROLA)

342 Niedermeyer: You're a chick, right? Sorry for calling you bro.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 20, 2013 12:42 PM (WjLUf)

343 344 An electorate this stupid only understands PAIN. Posted by: Diogenes'Lamp at September 20, 2013 04:41 PM (bb5+k) Not necessarily. They understand pain, but will think it's the fault of Bush, whitey, conservatism, teh Jooz, etc...

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 20, 2013 12:44 PM (WjLUf)

344

Oh get off your high horse, ffs. I'm just Some Guy on the internet. I'm not making executive decisions.

 



And if this is a fight against "the leadership" then you forgot to tell the guys who are fighting it because they seem to think it's about Obamacare. You're substituting your own 'fight' in for the one that's actually happening, but that doesn't make it any more true. So spare me your doltish chest-thumping, o brave keyboard Conan.

 


 

Posted by: Jeff B. at September 20, 2013 04:41 PM (n/+FT)

 

--------------------------

 

Okay,  so you  ARE that obtuse  that you would take the literal reading.  And I'M  the dumb  one.  Keep telling yourself that, cupcake.  That makes one of us that believes it.

 

You stand for nothing except your  place at the trough,  along with all your politifag   wonk-friends.  All process and no principles. 

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at September 20, 2013 12:45 PM (CJjw5)

345 This is primarily about branding himself and compiling a donor list for a future national campaign.
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 20, 2013 04:24 PM

I'm shocked, SHOCKED that fundraising is going on in this establishment!

Posted by: Karl Rove at September 20, 2013 12:45 PM (/9IC1)

346

>>All one needs to do is look at how the V.A. is run and the huge backlog of veterans needing help.

FNC did a piece this morning about all the bonuses that were paid out to the V.A. officials all while a tremendous backlog built up and while communicable diseases were on the rise in V.A. hospitals.

.

Right now the VA is my Primary Care provider until I find an acceptable doctor who takes TRICARE where we moved to.   My first visit to my VA Primary Care Doctor was not pleasant.  I was told the two drugs I was previously prescribed were not available in the VA formularies and we would have to "experiment" with the dosages of my new my heart medication.  OK that is scary and is not working well and the closest Military Base is Fort Knox 90 minutes away so that option is out until I can find a Doctor local who takes TRICARE.    The second thing I learned was that my Doctor was placed here by the Underserved Rural Doctor Program.  Her Doctor School was paid for by the US Government and she agreed to serve 4 years in an underserved area.  The problem with that is I use the VA in Lexington, KY population 500,000.  I am still not sure how the heck that one worked out.  We are not even close to Appalachia. 

Posted by: Retired Navy Chief at September 20, 2013 12:45 PM (Hdbf3)

347 @341 Ask yourself, "Does my wife like beer?" If she does, clearly you wait. Marriage is a long game.
You can take my word for it: I was divorced, but only after 18 years of marriage.

Posted by: Cretin, high-grade moron material in thousands of centrifuges at September 20, 2013 12:45 PM (tfSla)

348

Oh,  and  in response to your  keyboard warrior  chickenhawk baiting faggotry,  JeffB.?

 

I WAS  a  fucking warrior.  In fact,  the name  of  the first regiment  I was assigned to  was the 12th Infantry WARRIORS. 

 

Fuck you,  you pissy little bitchling.  Keyboards,  guns, knives,  sledgehammers  or fists  - I'm  your fucking huckleberry, boy.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at September 20, 2013 12:48 PM (CJjw5)

349 312 The "repeal" part is correct. And impossible under the current state in Congress and with a Dem prez. If it's repealed, it will be defunded.

The law is not completely dead until you do both.

Posted by: Miss80sBaby at September 20, 2013 12:49 PM (YjDyJ)

350 Are the people here who happily insult me (and yes, I invite in many ways) really so naive as to not realize that this is actually what this was all about? Cruz doesn't think Obamacare is going to be stopped or delayed in any way. He's not an idiot, and he doesn't believe in unicorns and faeries -- he knows the laws and congressional procedures. This is primarily about branding himself and compiling a donor list for a future national campaign. Posted by: Jeff B. at September 20, 2013 04:24 PM (n/+FT) Alternatively it could be about making an effort to identify his side as the OPPONENTS of this massive shit sandwich;Battlefield preparation for future Political wins. When the public finally gets a good solid bite, he wants to be in a position to remind them that *WE* were against it and *WE* did everything we could think of.

Posted by: Diogenes'Lamp at September 20, 2013 12:49 PM (bb5+k)

351 Just shotgun it now. If you nurse it, it will get warm, and you will be sad.

Posted by: blaster at September 20, 2013 12:49 PM (W6bkf)

352 Posted by: goldiocks at September 20, 2013 04:25 PM (1kxWc) That's what I said.

Posted by: Diogenes'Lamp at September 20, 2013 12:50 PM (bb5+k)

353 Posted by: Retired Navy Chief at September 20, 2013 04:45 PM (Hdbf3) *** Geez, RNC. No, you don't want a lot of experimenting with your heart meds, especially when you already had two that worked. I so hope you are able to find a private doctor who will take you.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 20, 2013 12:51 PM (DmNpO)

354 >>>You stand for nothing except your place at the trough, along with all your politifag wonk-friends. All process and no principles.

You stupid fuck, I neither work for the government nor interact with it in any way whatsoever (except to the extent that I go to court, that is).  I don't handle cases or clients that have anything to do with that crap.  Spare me this "place at the trough" insult, like I'm some squealing big-government piggy looking for a handout or something.  I couldn't care less.  I'll take the closest possible workable version of a minarchy if I can get it, and I'd jump for joy if a bubonic plague cleaned DC of every lobbyist, politico, journalist, or hanger-on from both parties. 

I stand for principles and recognize that you have to accomplish them via process.  You can't just upend the chess board and claim "new rules!" every time you want to accomplish something radical.  But you, Brave Internet Tough Guy, have more virtue than me because you think you can just take a broadsword and hack your way through to your desired political outcome If You Want It Enough.  You're an overgrown child if you really think that. 

I don't think you really think that.  I think you're posing for the benefit of AoSHQ because you have a fanclub here that you need to maintain.  How's that for an unwarranted speculation?  Mine at least has the virtue of being true.

Posted by: Jeff B. at September 20, 2013 12:53 PM (n/+FT)

355 NDH, not disputing you but that sounds odd to me re: every 4 years. Usual lifespan of a generator for a pacemaker has been quoted to me as about a decade, and Heaven knows I've seen plenty of patients on year 12 or 15 and it's still going. I suppose an AICD uses a higher current when it does fire, but unless it's going off all the time I would think it should have a similar lifespan. *** I actually receive CRT along with it. It is a dual device with both a pacemaker and an AICD included. The cardiac resynch therapy is constant, so it runs down the batteries fairly quickly. You are correct, however, in that they normally last for much longer. Even pacemakers normally last a lot longer than that because they only kick in when the heart is beating too fast or too slow. Mine, however, due to a really weak heart, fires in synch with every heartbeat in order to strengthen the contraction.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 20, 2013 12:56 PM (DmNpO)

356

>>Geez, RNC.

No, you don't want a lot of experimenting with your heart meds, especially when you already had two that worked.

I so hope you are able to find a private doctor who will take you.

.

.Thanks, I think I have found one, I will see next week.  The insane part of it is the VA Doctor should have been able to write a prescription for the 2 meds I was already taking and I in theory could walk that over to Kroger and pay my co pay and get them, but no.  VA regulations prohibit non standard formularies from being prescribed outside the VA system blah blah, etc.....

 

This is what everyone else can look forward to.  Enjoy it.

Posted by: Retired Navy Chief at September 20, 2013 12:57 PM (Hdbf3)

357

My, jeff b. arguementative.

Is he messing wif u ?

Posted by: brock o'bomber at September 20, 2013 01:00 PM (9kcp4)

358 Which is it, retard? True? Or unwarranted speculation? And you make a living with this law thing? Choke on a cock, shitweasel. You should spend more time reading before firing off your next twenty paragraphs of non-thoughts. Here's something I know you won't bother to think about, but I'll say it anyway: maybe it isn't everyone else that thinks you're an asshole. Maybe it's just that you're an asshole, Asshole.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff plays to your hateful stereotypes at September 20, 2013 01:02 PM (Drx1T)

359 I stand for principles Like the principle that Ted Cruz is a liar because an article by Ed Morrisey from last week claims you can't defund Obamacare. At least you've ditched the 'Coward' nonsense.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 20, 2013 01:03 PM (CofEF)

360 EoJ --

I'm done arguing with you about this.  We've both taken this about thirty notches higher on the personal insult-meter than it needed to be, and even though I think you ought to be more circumspect about not personally attacking someone who hasn't personally attacked you first, let's just wind it up in this thread and move on.  For the record, I don't think you're being intellectually dishonest or disingenuous, not really.  Even though I suggested that in my previous post.   I think you're quite wrong about this, catastrophically so, but then again you think I'm quite wrong as well so big shock there.  I respect your service in the military, but once again -- you shouldn't be so quick to assume I've never served my country in any capacity either.  Just because I don't talk about things like that (on the internet, of all places, where shit is PERMANENT) doesn't mean I haven't done them.  Maybe it just means that I don't feel free to talk about them in public, regardless of how many "oh you're just a pussy lawyerfag" provocations get thrown my way.  Maybe there are good reasons for that. 

Anyway, I'm laying down arms for now.  I'm sure we'll battle again soon enough.  I'll try to be of better humor about it when it happens...I think it was BurtTC's "coward" remark that set me off here, and not even anything you said.  'Til then.

Posted by: Jeff B. at September 20, 2013 01:05 PM (n/+FT)

361 My dear friendJeffB... let us not forget that heaven Ace is blue.

Posted by: Chief Blue Meanie at September 20, 2013 01:06 PM (FlRtG)

362 Goldbergs newsletter today touched on something that I think is connected this this. Here's the key bit, word for word "But move away from philosophy and down to earth. Liberals and leftists are constantly denouncing "false choices" of one kind or another. In our debate, Jonathan Chait kept hinting, hoping, and haranguing that -- one day -- we could have a socialized health-care system without any tradeoffs of any kind. Environmentalists loathe the introduction of free-market principles into the policy-making debate because, as Steven Landsburg puts it, economics is the science of competing preferences. Pursuing some good things might cost us other good things. But environmentalists reject the very idea. They believe that all good things can go together and that anything suggesting otherwise is a false choice. Listen to Democratic politicians when they wax righteous about social policy. Invariably it goes something like this: "I simply reject the notion that in a good society X should have to come at the expense of Y." X can be security and Y can be civil liberties. Or X can be food safety and Y can be the cost to the pocketbook of poor people. Whatever X and Y are, the underlying premise is that in a healthy society we do not have tradeoffs between good things. In healthy societies all good things join hands and walk up the hillside singing I'd like to buy the world a coke." They live in world where there are magic policies that will give everything. All upside, no downside. No competing goods and honest debate about which is the greater good. The simpletons, the true believers of this ridiculous concept, well of course they will lash out like this. They are the pure virtuous ones. If you stand in the way, what else could it be but pure evil?

Posted by: Dave S. at September 20, 2013 01:07 PM (M3APu)

363 Oops, wrong thread...

Posted by: Dave S. at September 20, 2013 01:07 PM (M3APu)

364 Incidentally, I wrote my #366 before I saw #364.  Doesn't really change what I wrote, though:  my rhetoric was too harsh in this thread, so I'm sorry for that, but I think yours is obviously way over the top too.  Figure it's best to take a breather on fighting with you in this thread if for no other reason than all we're gonna do is hurl names at each other at this point.  We obviously come from very different positions on the right when it comes to these issues.  Neither are illegitimate.  (Yours is wrong, but not illegitimate. <-- joke.)

Anyway, let's step back a bit and lock horns later if we must.

Posted by: Jeff B. at September 20, 2013 01:10 PM (n/+FT)

365   297 --" Cruz doesn't think Obamacare is going to be stopped or delayed in any way."

Bullshit. You're smearing the man based on your suppositions.

I don't know Ted Cruz any more than most people on this blog. What I do know is he's rallied our base and forced our leadership to be a real opposition party. There's no contradiction in doing that and compiling a list of future donors. 

What seems to upset you and Gabe is that your own plans and preferences are different than Cruz's. You lost the argument. Time to get in the game or go home.

Posted by: Salt Lick at September 20, 2013 01:12 PM (AuU3C)

366 You know what, EoJ?  I was all ready to forgive and forget and move on, but then I went to your blog and I saw that you gave a good review to Man Of Steel.

Fuck it, it's BACK ON ASSHOLE.

Posted by: Jeff B. at September 20, 2013 01:22 PM (n/+FT)

367 What Peter King says makes no sense, these are serious issues? Well defunding is the MOST serious F***ING thing you can do in DC they luvs them the spending.

Posted by: bobbymike at September 20, 2013 01:39 PM (9trNv)

368

Anyone who issues curses in tweets should be screened out when seeking security clearance.

 

Also, he should be questioned if he hears voices being microwaved to him.

 

And keep him away from guns.

Posted by: petunia at September 20, 2013 01:39 PM (DAcBA)

369 Wait, I thought this was about that shameful tweet.

Posted by: petunia at September 20, 2013 01:40 PM (DAcBA)

370 I give up... later.

Posted by: petunia at September 20, 2013 01:40 PM (DAcBA)

371 Folks, let's face the facts. The progressives are so close to their goal they can taste it. They are willing to do ANYTHING to make it happen. All of this is a game to them and they care not a rat's ass about you and me. And this ubama-care is gonna have all the money (1.00 dollar equals 2 dimes and 1 penny) they want to buy more votes. Now here is the sad part. They are all progressives. ALL. OF. THEM. Except maybe Cruz and Gohmert. Those two I know personally. Sorry to bring bad tidings. Yeah, I hate it too.

Posted by: EROWMER at September 20, 2013 02:19 PM (OONaw)

372 you figure out the relevance: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJ4GMyaWEZg

Posted by: Space of Aids at September 20, 2013 05:51 PM (i9tfZ)

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