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March 08, 2013

John McCain Is Not Exactly Winning Many Converts These Days
— JohnE.

John McCain, not content to keep his hissy fit confined to the floor of the Senate, shoots his mouth off to HuffPo reporter.

While McCain has been a fierce critic of the Obama administration, he has also tangled with members of his own party, particularly the new crop of lawmakers including Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.), Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas), and Rep. Justin Amash (R-Mich.), darlings of the conservative grassroots.
When I asked him if "these guys" -- having just mentioned Amash, Cruz and Paul by name -- are a "positive force" in the GOP, McCain paused for a full six seconds.
"They were elected, nobody believes that there was a corrupt election, anything else," McCain said. "ButI also think that when, you know, it's always the wacko birds on right and left that get the media megaphone."

Leaving aside the unprovoked "wacko bird" insult, what an absolutely bizarre way to frame a response to a rather innocuous question. "Corrupt elections"? What the hell is he talking about and what is he implying? Maybe it's nothing and he just stumbled over an answer, but it's very odd.

Paul, like him or not, has at least tried to remain respectful during this dust-up.

Â“You know, I think heÂ’s just on the wrong side of history, and the wrong side of this argument, really,Â” Paul said.
...
Â“You know I treat Sen. McCain with respect, and I donÂ’t think I always get the same in return. But I would say I do think heÂ’s a war hero. He deserves respect for spending years and years in prison during the Vietnam War. But I would say it doesnÂ’t mean his ideas always trump everybody elseÂ’s.Â”

I can't believe I'm even typing this, but Dick Durbin was able to challenge Rand Paul with more class and respect than either Graham or McCain has been able to muster up in the last two days. It should also be noted that after McCain and Graham took to the floor claiming Paul's question didn't even deserve an answer.... the White House answered his question about an hour later. Great job, guys.

Very disappointing. But, of course, we're all used to it by now. Wacko birds, that we are.

Update: Allah has some more McCain quotes that will drive you insane at HotAir.

Posted by: JohnE. at 12:38 PM | Comments (214)
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1 McCain is, always was and shall always remain an idiot, "me-too Republican who should have been run out of the party years ago.

Posted by: georgeofthedesert at March 08, 2013 12:41 PM (Eq2MX)

2 Dick Durbin was able to challenge Rand Paul with more class and respect than either Graham or McCain has been able to muster up in the last two days. Of course he did. Sen. Paul's not a threat to Durbin's power base (yet). He is a very direct threat to the GOP status quo, and that's what has McGraham's join panties in a twist.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, the future Pope Ampersand I at March 08, 2013 12:42 PM (fMiHM)

3 We are all wacko-birds now.

Posted by: fluffy at March 08, 2013 12:42 PM (z9HTb)

4 You know the scales have tipped for John over the years and with all due respect for his Service Time his Political service is another matter entirely.

Posted by: clemenza at March 08, 2013 12:43 PM (KmEEq)

5 Has McCain been a "fierce critic" of the Obama administration?

Did I miss something that might lasted for, oh, six seconds?

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at March 08, 2013 12:43 PM (DuH+r)

6 No question about it. He is an asshole.

Posted by: Vic at March 08, 2013 12:43 PM (53z96)

7 Is John McCain full of shit? Depends.

Posted by: Cicero, Semiautomatic Assault Commenter at March 08, 2013 12:43 PM (OgI54)

8 My plan would have succeeded too, if it weren't for those meddlesome libertarian kids !!

Posted by: John McCain at March 08, 2013 12:43 PM (mCvL4)

9 Do we get hats, or something? I want a wacko-bird hat.

Posted by: fluffy at March 08, 2013 12:44 PM (z9HTb)

10 Sure John.. How was your dinner with Barack?

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna let it burn really.really bummed at March 08, 2013 12:44 PM (9+ccr)

11 McCain may be a super duper asshole, a clueless asshat who takes every opportunity to shit on the base, but at least he's out of touch with reality. Thats what I like about him; electability!

Posted by: Karl Rove at March 08, 2013 12:44 PM (OlN4e)

12 I think McCain wishes he could be a Dem. He's always gone after GOP'ers a hell of lot harder than dems, especially during election season.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at March 08, 2013 12:45 PM (4WhSY)

13 You wacko birds get off my lawn! Pipe down! I'm watching Wheel of Fortune and Jeopardy!!

Posted by: John Methuselah McCain at March 08, 2013 12:45 PM (wIgpo)

14 I can't believe I was tempted to go work for this fuckhead in 2000.

Posted by: USS Diversity at March 08, 2013 12:46 PM (+bZOu)

15 How long is it until McCain has to start talking like a conservative again?

Posted by: Cicero, Semiautomatic Assault Commenter at March 08, 2013 12:46 PM (OgI54)

16 McCain has jumped his final shark. Time to go with the Young Turks...

Posted by: packsoldier at March 08, 2013 12:46 PM (pB/G3)

17 Time for your medication Mr McCain.

Posted by: Berserker at March 08, 2013 12:46 PM (FMbng)

18 A wacko-bird is a type of weasel.

Posted by: John McCain, ornithologist at March 08, 2013 12:47 PM (vBSha)

19 Depends. Stop that .

Posted by: Bill D. Cat at March 08, 2013 12:47 PM (TQOZk)

20 Wacko-birds is ok , I guess but I really prefer sister humping bitter clinger myself . Has more poetry , ya know .

Posted by: awkward davies at March 08, 2013 12:47 PM (USjX1)

21 Voting for McCain and donating money to his compaign makes me feel ashamed now. What a fuckstick.

Posted by: Sgt. Fury at March 08, 2013 12:47 PM (RM5S6)

22 He wanted to be in the spotlight after sucking Obama's dick at the White House. Paul took that away.

Posted by: Flapjackmaka at March 08, 2013 12:47 PM (FKQng)

23 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at March 08, 2013 12:47 PM (xN73L)

24 Hey John you can only coast on your POW status for so long. The statute of limitations has run out... In other words fuck you and the horse you rode in on... Sorry to all horses I may have offended...

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna let it burn really.really bummed at March 08, 2013 12:48 PM (9+ccr)

25 Thank you Florida and New York for nominating this nutbag in 2008

Posted by: joeindc44 wonders if anyone has any advice for the GOP at March 08, 2013 12:48 PM (QxSug)

26

I'm wacko for wacko puffs.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at March 08, 2013 12:48 PM (gzboS)

27

I'm melting! I'm melting!

Posted by: Wicked John McCain at March 08, 2013 12:48 PM (NFVkx)

28 Is it just me, or is his statement self-aware? Isn't he the wacko-bird talking into the media megaphone?

Posted by: Phoenix at March 08, 2013 12:48 PM (ymCD+)

29 I think the 6 sec delay and go-to about stolen elections is revealing in that he, at heart, doesn't see any of them as legit or even GOP.

Posted by: Bigby's Crossed Fingers at March 08, 2013 12:48 PM (3ZtZW)

30 John McClane > John McCain

Posted by: Vizinni [/i] at March 08, 2013 12:49 PM (O7Q1u)

31 I honestly never understood some of the anti-McCain sentiment from some of the commenters here. Now I understand how right those people were. McCain is far worse than I had ever imagined.

Posted by: eleven at March 08, 2013 12:49 PM (fsLdt)

32 His Vietnam service might've counted for something once. But since Johnny Mac was too big a coward to run a tough, hard-fought campaign in 2008 against King Putt, for fear his media buddies might've said something bad about him, he damaged his country far more than if he'd turned traitor in Vietnam. Fark him. Oh, and that goes for Romney too. I don't want to hear another word out of either one ever again.

Posted by: naturalfake at March 08, 2013 12:49 PM (j2lYi)

33 Being a Maverick means always being ready to defy common sense and the principles of the people you represent.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at March 08, 2013 12:49 PM (+lsX1)

34 RE: Corrupt Elections

A generous reading is that McCain is saying neither Paul, Cruz, etc believe the President stole the election.

Posted by: Serious Cat at March 08, 2013 12:49 PM (UypUQ)

35 Can I be a Yacko-Bird instead?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at March 08, 2013 12:49 PM (xN73L)

36
John McCain for Poop!

Poop Rotten II.

Posted by: soothsayer at March 08, 2013 12:49 PM (KeUXz)

37 Leave Daddy alone, he was going to say H8rz !!!

Posted by: Meghan McCain at March 08, 2013 12:50 PM (mCvL4)

38 Wacko Birds are those ones what are filled with red water and bob up and down all time. They have yellow hats, I think

Posted by: Bigby's Crossed Fingers at March 08, 2013 12:50 PM (3ZtZW)

39 I'm now officially glad we did not elect him. As bad as the Bushes have been for damaging the brand, McCain would have even been worse.

Posted by: Hoosierpope at March 08, 2013 12:50 PM (KpuTG)

40 31 I honestly never understood some of the anti-McCain sentiment from some of the commenters here.

Posted by: eleven at March 08, 2013 04:49 PM (fsLdt)

Really? Not even in light of McCain-Feingold?

Posted by: KG at March 08, 2013 12:50 PM (p7BzH)

41 The ego on McCain is as big as preeezy's. The more McCain opens his mouth, the easier it will be for the Cruz's, Paul's, Rubio's and the true conservatives to take over the party. Well, hopefully.

Posted by: Deli LLama at March 08, 2013 12:50 PM (lGu1O)

42 So Brennen took the oath of office using the Constitution that was yet to have the Bill of Rights?

Posted by: lions at March 08, 2013 12:50 PM (EMFgH)

43 is his statement self-aware?

McCain only achieves self-awareness when his diaper overflows.

Posted by: oblig. at March 08, 2013 12:51 PM (cePv8)

44 I remain embarrassed to have supported Sen. McCain in his Presidential campaign. If this is what Republican "leadership" looks like, continue to count me out.

Posted by: akula51 at March 08, 2013 12:51 PM (Vgn84)

McCain goes after other people in the Republican Party because it gets him attention on TV. That's what being a Maverick is all about. Rand Paul is a threat to his TV time. Paul just out -mavericked the maverick.

So now Paul is a wacky bird.

Most of McCain's kids (all adults) are pretty good people, with the exception of that bimbo Meggy. One son was at the Naval Academy, and has graduated. One son was a Marine grunt in Iraq and walked point for his platoon - pretty good stuff. One daughter runs his wife's beer distributor business in Arizona, which is a pretty good piece of business- she's sharp.

And then there is Meghan. I used to think she was the exception, but now, I begin to think that she is indeed her father's daughter.

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch and the Ides of/ at March 08, 2013 12:51 PM (RFeQD)

46 McCain is losing it. Drudge had a picture showing just how pissed McCain is. Don't know who that was he was talking to.

Posted by: Skandia Recluse at March 08, 2013 12:51 PM (nCj/v)

47 Meghan McCain ‏@McCainBlogette

I hope you feel like you've accomplished something truly noble & important in the world when you tweet me nasty comments about my father.

Posted by: Meghan McCain at March 08, 2013 12:51 PM (mCvL4)

48 wacko birds or militia bubbas racist rednecks rethugs Cheney's jocksniffers gun dick strokers

Posted by: awkward davies at March 08, 2013 12:51 PM (USjX1)

49 I can't believe I'm even typing this, but Dick Durbin was able to challenge Rand Paul with more class and respect than either Graham or McCain has been able to muster up in the last two days. It should also be noted that after McCain and Graham took to the floor claiming Paul's question didn't even deserve an answer.... the White House answered his question about an hour later. Great job, guys.

Very disappointing. But, of course, we're all used to it by now. Wacko birds, that we are.

Posted by: Juan Williams at March 08, 2013 12:51 PM (yVmMc)

50 Thirty pieces of silver or a good meal is all that's required to flip John McCain on any issue.

Principled, friends.

Posted by: Fritz at March 08, 2013 12:52 PM (WM+rJ)

51 John McCain for Poop!

I really don't want that turd to drop down here

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at March 08, 2013 12:52 PM (QTHTd)

52 46 Don't know who that was he was talking to. There was a "functionality issue" with the Metamucil that day evidently.

Posted by: akula51 at March 08, 2013 12:52 PM (Vgn84)

53 RE: Corrupt Elections

A generous reading is that McCain is saying neither Paul, Cruz, etc believe the President stole the election. They aren't birthers.

Posted by: Serious Cat at March 08, 2013 04:49 PM (UypUQ)

^^^

I agree with that. It makes more sense that way.

Posted by: Copy Cat at March 08, 2013 12:52 PM (UypUQ)

54 Or maybe he meant the Warners from Animaniacs - Yakko Wakko and Dot. They weren't birds though

Posted by: Bigby's Crossed Fingers at March 08, 2013 12:52 PM (3ZtZW)

55 The whole thing is disappointing. First--Americans have no more reason to fear the RPA program than they have to fear a- F-16. I hate to oversimplify it--but there it is. Rand Paul called the program a-- "kill program". I've read that almost 90% of the missions--and/or flights are to gain reconnaissance. Also the RPA program it can be argued has saved-- many American lives. It can be argued that when considering both-- blood and treasure the RPA program has been one of our most successful programs in fighting the War on Terror. Now it is feared by the American public as a tool of oppression, and the future of the program might be endangered. Funny thing is--*if* you are a Deficit Hawk and interested in preserving the lives of American infantry the RPA program should be one that you --promote--not demonize.

Posted by: tasker at March 08, 2013 12:53 PM (r2PLg)

56 I just checked ... there is still room at the Hanoi Hilton .. now with broadband.

Posted by: Duong Trung Quoc at March 08, 2013 12:53 PM (e8kgV)

57 We are wacko-birds, McCain and Graham are shitbirds.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i][/b][/s] at March 08, 2013 12:53 PM (bxiXv)

58 McCain is as annoying to me now as he was in 2008.

Posted by: Scott @ The Right of a Nation at March 08, 2013 12:53 PM (JZl1k)

59 Crazy uncle crazy pants is right, it's crazy to believe that there was any voter fraud in the past several elections, even though we've got donkeys admitting to it and that ACORN's mission statement is basically "we will still elections for the democrats using tax payer money". It's good and proper for McCain to get pissy about something that wasn't even mentioned.

Posted by: joeindc44 wonders if anyone has any advice for the GOP at March 08, 2013 12:54 PM (QxSug)

60 Would you kids please, for the love of God, get off John McCain's lawn?

Posted by: troyriser at March 08, 2013 12:54 PM (vtiE6)

61 JohnE: "...It should also be noted that after McCain and Graham took to the floor claiming Paul's question didn't even deserve an answer.... the White House answered his question about an hour later. Great job, guys." After the vaunted supper, when they went out on a limb attacking Rand to defend Barky, the WH did chop that limb off behind them. Reminds me of how they invited the House GOP to confer, then lambasted Paul Ryan publicly. So, yeah, our Preezy is exactly that kind of sick fuck.

Posted by: TooCon at March 08, 2013 12:54 PM (f+yEj)

62 @ 42 he had to swear in on the Koran..

Posted by: clemenza at March 08, 2013 12:54 PM (KmEEq)

63 The McCain, Graham, RINO response to Rand Paul and Ted Cruz should remove any doubt that the GOP at best is completely incompetent and at worst as statist as the Dems, the only difference being the GOP is destroying America slowly because they crave power and influence (the Dems are destroying us because they hate us and are also greedy and corrupt). I don't think the GOP establishment is in direct collusion with the Dems, but after these outbursts and the bad optics of dining with President Sportin' Life, one could make a case. THE GOP MUST BE TAKEN BACK OR IT MUST DIE. NOW.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 08, 2013 12:54 PM (XkWWK)

64 OT, but apparently John Carpenter's version of The Thing was a documentary.

http://tinyurl.com/cyqmg8z

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at March 08, 2013 12:54 PM (DuH+r)

65
John McCain has stuck his thumb in our eye several times. He's a piece of shit.

Posted by: soothsayer at March 08, 2013 12:54 PM (KeUXz)

66 Isn't there some Senior Republican that can tell McCain to just shut the fuck up and/or go away. And that he is making a fool of himself?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 08, 2013 12:55 PM (jE38p)

67 After he about sank the Forrestal, I can't understand how he remained in the Navy.

Posted by: USS Diversity at March 08, 2013 12:55 PM (+bZOu)

68 Posted by: tasker at March 08, 2013 04:53 PM (r2PLg) What part of "US Citizen on US Soil" did you miss? First off, I think drones over US Skies should be a big no-no anyway. But the question was about assassinating US Citizens on US Soil. No one is saying we should stop using them in the Middle East.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at March 08, 2013 12:55 PM (xN73L)

Quit disturbing us while we're blowing the President at dinner!

Posted by: John McCain and Lindsay Graham at March 08, 2013 12:55 PM (ggRof)

70 The man is decaying right in front of us. It makes me sick.

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at March 08, 2013 12:55 PM (P3dtw)

71 Hey John.

FUCK YOU.

Posted by: Tex Lovera at March 08, 2013 12:55 PM (wtvvX)

72 It's sad seeing this in real life - John McCain and Lindsay Graham were my two favorite characters on The Muppet Show.

Posted by: The Q at March 08, 2013 12:55 PM (yVmMc)

73 Funny thing is--*if* you are a Deficit Hawk and interested in preserving the lives of American infantry the RPA program should be one that you --promote--not demonize. Posted by: tasker at March 08, 2013 04:53 PM (r2PLg) Okay, now that you've addressed everything NOT on topic, how about addressing the statements made concerning the authority to kill Americans not engaged in combat while on American soil, which is what Holder implied, Rand filibustered about, and Holder finally responded to?

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i][/b][/s] at March 08, 2013 12:55 PM (bxiXv)

74 McCain overheard calling Rand Paul "a scamp"

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at March 08, 2013 12:56 PM (BuSM8)

You know what? Maybe it's a good thing Obama beat this bitter old crank.

It's time to purge the GOP of people like him and Graham, and if we can't get 'em out, then the party needs to be destroyed.

Posted by: Warden at March 08, 2013 12:56 PM (HzhBE)

76 The RPA program is primarily used to fight the IED advantage that the terrorists held for a long time, to deny the terrorists--"safe haven" and to keep the terrorist hierarchy and those with the most knowledge on the move and disorganized. It has also saved the American army a lot of foot work.

Posted by: tasker at March 08, 2013 12:56 PM (r2PLg)

77 So Meggie is upset that somebody twitted something mean about her daddy?Hey Meggie, you better grow a thicker skin.... because there's gonna be more...

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna let it burn really.really bummed at March 08, 2013 12:56 PM (9+ccr)

78 Can I be a Yacko-Bird instead?

You have to pass the background check.

Posted by: fluffy at March 08, 2013 12:56 PM (z9HTb)

79 McCain is losing it. Drudge had a picture showing just how pissed McCain is. Don't know who that was he was talking to.

I think he actually is losing it. He's old enough. Kind of sad, if so. For that matter PTSD is a possibility. I don't know if anyone has actually looked for a correlation between Alzheimer's and PTSD, but it wouldn't surprise me. A weakened mental state opens the door for other maladies.

Or, he could just be an egotistical jerk who had some good moments in his youth.

Posted by: pep at March 08, 2013 12:56 PM (6TB1Z)

80 McCain has been a fierce critic of President Obama at times...." Mr. Obama, This arugula is not organic!"---John McCain, at Dinner-With-The-President Night.

Posted by: Are Crazy Birds Related To Angry Birds? at March 08, 2013 12:56 PM (mNwP+)

81 Posted by: tasker at March 08, 2013 04:56 PM (r2PLg)

Still OT, huh?

Posted by: KG at March 08, 2013 12:56 PM (p7BzH)

Wacko Bird Party, got a nice ring to it. I like it!!

Posted by: RiverRat at March 08, 2013 12:56 PM (62Zd5)

83 "My friends" just ain't working anymore. The Pope retired, and so should McCain. Let Arizona's guvvie appoint an interim. Jan knows what to do. The guy's an embarrassment to the party.

Posted by: The littl shyning man at March 08, 2013 12:57 PM (PH+2B)

84 Damn ace's is updated a lot today. The prev thread was just getting feisty too..

Posted by: AuthorLMendez at March 08, 2013 12:57 PM (yAor6)

85 66 Isn't there some Senior Republican that can tell McCain to just shut the fuck up and/or go away. And that he is making a fool of himself? Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 08, 2013 04:55 PM (jE38p) Evidently, even Mitch McConnell participated in the filibuster, relieving Rand Paul for a short spell. I thought I saw a story, perhaps at Breitbart, that McConnell had some words with McShameful.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 08, 2013 12:57 PM (XkWWK)

86 >>>RE: Corrupt Elections A generous reading is that McCain is saying neither Paul, Cruz, etc believe the President stole the election. They aren't birthers. See, I took it as him saying he believed them to be illegitimate or unworthy representatives, but were duly elected ones (by wackos). Otherwise, why frame it that way? Cruz and Paul have never suggested Obama wasn't elected illegitimately.

Posted by: JohnE. at March 08, 2013 12:57 PM (nRTou)

87 I am actually ashamed that I voted for McCain. Almost to the point of being willing to lie and say that I didn't.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at March 08, 2013 12:57 PM (VtjlW)

88 SAd thing is is that McCain is the senior GOP movement, leadership. And he's so hopped up on media-approval-nuggets, that he keeps pressing the bash own party button in hopes of satisfying his jonesing.

Posted by: joeindc44 wonders if anyone has any advice for the GOP at March 08, 2013 12:57 PM (QxSug)

89 Is that asshole so tone deaf that he thinks Huff-Po is where his voters are?

Posted by: Regular Moron [/i] at March 08, 2013 12:57 PM (feFL6)

90 Okay, now that you've addressed everything NOT on topic, how about addressing the statements made concerning the authority to kill Americans not engaged in combat while on American soil, which is what Holder implied, Rand filibustered about, and Holder finally responded to? Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at March 08, 2013 04:55 PM (bxiXv) ___________________ Why do you fear the RPA program more than a F-i6?

Posted by: tasker at March 08, 2013 12:57 PM (r2PLg)

91
McCain wants to be the hero of the left wing media again. He likes him some attention.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at March 08, 2013 12:57 PM (p/cQy)

92 64 OT, but apparently John Carpenter's version of The Thing was a documentary. Posted by: BeckoningChasm at March 08, 2013 04:54 PM (DuH+r) Okay, that's it, I'm calling for Evac from the planet *right now*.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i][/b][/s] at March 08, 2013 12:57 PM (bxiXv)

93
Everyone, sea kelp.

Posted by: soothsayer at March 08, 2013 12:58 PM (KeUXz)

94 Very disappointing. But, of course, we're all used to it by now. Wacko birds, that we are.

Posted by: Juan Williams at March 08, 2013 04:51 PM (yVmMc)

LOL!!!

Posted by: Tami[/i] at March 08, 2013 12:58 PM (X6akg)

95 Is it unsporting to point out the size of McCain's media megaphone, and what that implies? The only question reamaining is what side of the aisle he's on.

Posted by: Joe at March 08, 2013 12:58 PM (7pOq5)

96 With a daughter like fat-ass Meghan, it's a wonder McCain didn't go nuts faster.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 08, 2013 12:58 PM (XkWWK)

97 Funny thing is--*if* you are a Deficit Hawk and interested in preserving the lives of American infantry the RPA program should be one that you --promote--not demonize.

Posted by: tasker at March 08, 2013 04:53 PM (r2PLg)

You're being disingenuous. No one except perhaps Rand Paul's father's true believers and assorted fringe elements on the far left and right are arguing against droning the living daylights out of terrorists and other legitimate military targets. The question Rand Paul put to the President was specific. You know this.

Posted by: troyriser at March 08, 2013 12:58 PM (vtiE6)

98 I will offer Senator McCain an indulgence for his mortal sins.

Posted by: Petrus Romanus at March 08, 2013 12:58 PM (Cs2tJ)

99 Corrupt elections...He who smelt it dealt it, Senator.

Posted by: Are Wacko Birds Related To Angry Birds? at March 08, 2013 12:58 PM (mNwP+)

100 Al Gore went crazy after his election defeat. So did McCain.

Posted by: Craig Poe at March 08, 2013 12:59 PM (BVkEs)

101 55 Now it is feared by the American public as a tool of oppression, and the future of the program might be endangered. I don't think anyone fears a piece of American technology being used outside our borders in defense of this great Republic. What folks fear is this Administration, and their inability or unwillingness to do practically anything within the letter and spirit of the law if it doesn't suit them. What folks fear is giving up even more of their 4th and 5th Amendment rights to the Organizing for America permanent campaign apparatus. They fear the data mining and the wanton abuse of their data. They fear these drones being used to collect even more data - to support the agenda of this Administration. These folks within the beltway aren't in the "We the People" business. They're in the "We the ruling elite say how you the people will spend your money, use your cars, buy your health insurance...ad infinitem" business. And folks like that with an unlimited budget and capacity to deploy anything at their disposal in their quest to never let a crisis go to waste? Well, in the immortal probable words of one of our founding fathers...."Fuck that shit. We should be shooting by now." LiB

Posted by: akula51 at March 08, 2013 12:59 PM (Vgn84)

102 The McCain, Graham, RINO response to Rand Paul and Ted Cruz should remove any doubt that the GOP at best is completely incompetent and at worst as statist as the Dems

Right, because the Dems would also have people like Paul, Cruz and Rubio in their ranks. No difference.

Posted by: pep at March 08, 2013 01:00 PM (6TB1Z)

103 The really sad thing about McCain is that he is so senile he forgets how the MSM/Liberals treated him during the 2008 Campaign when he was not longer their darling.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 08, 2013 01:00 PM (jE38p)

104
nood

Posted by: soothsayer at March 08, 2013 01:00 PM (KeUXz)

105 67 After he about sank the Forrestal, I can't understand how he remained in the Navy. Posted by: USS Diversity at March 08, 2013 04:55 PM (+bZOu) JFK was almost court-martialed after the PT-109 (the heroic story was a total sham) and he became President.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 08, 2013 01:00 PM (XkWWK)

106 Why do you fear the RPA program more than a F-i6? Posted by: tasker at March 08, 2013 04:57 PM (r2PLg) Why won't you deal with the fucking topic, which is the authority of the President to order the death of an American on American soil without due process? You notice I didn't say anything about method. Also, method is tangential to the whole Holder-Paul-Holder exchange. And yet, this is EXACTLY the OFA distraction strategy that you're pushing, one hundred percent. MAKE IT ABOUT ANYTHING ELSE.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i][/b][/s] at March 08, 2013 01:00 PM (bxiXv)

107 78So Meggie is upset that somebody twitted something mean about her daddy?Hey Meggie, you better grow a thicker skin.... because there's gonna be more...

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna let it burn really.really bummed at March 08, 2013 04:56 PM (9+ccr)

Can I keep my thin skin and grow a thicker ass instead?

Posted by: MeggieMac at March 08, 2013 01:00 PM (OlN4e)

108 Why do you fear the RPA program more than a F-i6? What the...? Are you retarded? Have reading comprehension issues? Because your question is not making sense. This wasn't about "the RPA program." Drones were incidental to the actual question, which is this: does the US Government have the authority to assassinate an American Citizen on US Soil? Who cares how they assassinate them, whether by drone, F-16, hidden sniper, or too much Ja Ma Ha-ran?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at March 08, 2013 01:00 PM (xN73L)

109 82 Posted by: tasker at March 08, 2013 04:56 PM (r2PLg) Still OT, huh? Posted by: KG at March 08, 2013 04:56 PM (p7BzH) _________________ Well I've addressed it many times on the first thread. Yes--I thought McCain was in-artful.

Posted by: tasker at March 08, 2013 01:01 PM (r2PLg)

110 K-Y recalls the "tingling jelly" lube, not because there's anything wrong with that, but because it's being classed as a medical device:

http://tinyurl.com/adm3jbp

Someone send a tweet to Chris Matthews to console him

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at March 08, 2013 01:01 PM (QTHTd)

111 Big Bang Theory > John McCain. The end is neigh.

Posted by: Bosk at March 08, 2013 01:01 PM (n2K+4)

112 104 Right, because the Dems would also have people like Paul, Cruz and Rubio in their ranks. No difference. Posted by: pep at March 08, 2013 05:00 PM (6TB1Z) Howz'at????????

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 08, 2013 01:01 PM (XkWWK)

113 105 The really sad thing about McCain is that he is so senile he forgets how the MSM/Liberals treated him during the 2008 Campaign when he was not longer their darling.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 08, 2013 05:00 PM (jE38p)

You have nothing to fear from an obama Presidency... John wacko bird McCain...

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna let it burn really.really bummed at March 08, 2013 01:02 PM (9+ccr)

114 Yes--I thought McCain was in-artful. In-artful? Try "traitorously wrong."

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at March 08, 2013 01:02 PM (xN73L)

115 McCain and Graham hate Rand Paul, Cruz, Lee & Amash because they know that if these guys ever get in charge the Teddy Roosevelt-progressive wing of the GOP is doomed and that means that progressivism itself is doomed, the only reason the progressives keep winning is that they control both major political parties, whether McCain and Graham like it or not that is exactly what will eventually happen because progressivism is a dead end road who's last stop is Dictatorville.

The MSM can only hide this fact for so long, truth has a way of making itself known.

Posted by: Shoey at March 08, 2013 01:02 PM (jdOk/)

116 Anyone remember 'bout Stratfor emails getting hacked and exposed by Wikileaks? Supposedly there was talk about '08 election being stolen by ballot stuffing in black metro areas in PA, OH and GOP was furious with McCain for not fighting the voter fraud. What if McCain is feeling guilty of being a wuss and defensive against the non-wusses?

Posted by: Deli LLama at March 08, 2013 01:02 PM (lGu1O)

117 You look and sound tired, John. Go home.

Posted by: Soona at March 08, 2013 01:03 PM (6wNkQ)

118 There are time that I wish the S&L scandal had consumed MCCain, this is one of those times.

TIME.

TO GO.

JOHN!

Posted by: General Woundwort at March 08, 2013 01:03 PM (RrD4h)

119 110 Why do you fear the RPA program more than a F-i6? What the...? Are you retarded? Have reading comprehension issues? Because your question is not making sense. This wasn't about "the RPA program." Drones were incidental to the actual question, which is this: does the US Government have the authority to assassinate an American Citizen on US Soil? Who cares how they assassinate them, whether by drone, F-16, hidden sniper, or too much Ja Ma Ha-ran? Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at March 08, 2013 05:00 PM (xN73L) __________________ Yes--I'm retarded AllenG. Good reply. Kudos.

Posted by: tasker at March 08, 2013 01:03 PM (r2PLg)

120 I have no love for McCain but in this case after looking at the full context I think he was just trying to say that the 'wacko birds' reflect their wacko constituencies and that 'wackos' always get more media attention.

Still kinda asshole-ish but not quite Defcon 1.

Posted by: Mætenloch at March 08, 2013 01:03 PM (pAlYe)

121 After he about sank the Forrestal, I can't understand how he remained in the Navy. Posted by: USS Diversity at March 08, 2013 04:55 PM (+bZOu) JFK was almost court-martialed after the PT-109 (the heroic story was a total sham) and he became President. Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 08, 2013 05:00 PM (XkWWK) I assume you all are kidding since the Forrestal did not sink and McCain had nothing to do with the accident other than being caught in it

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 08, 2013 01:03 PM (jE38p)

122
Shut up!
I'm watching Matlock.

Posted by: John McCain at March 08, 2013 01:03 PM (mETGQ)

123

Sometime about 1998 or 1999 McCain checked in his Patriotic, pro American Constitutionalist Gear and went full McCain centric, Pro McCain, McCainstitutionalist.

He hasn't shown much in the way of principle in quite some time- unless, of course, you count getting onesself on "Meet the Press" often enough to be a member of the coffee club a "principle".

For some reason, Lindsay Graham finds this pretty attractive, and has stuck himself so far head and shoulders of McCain's rear that the only time we hear from South Carolina's senior Senator is when Arizona's senior Senator farts.

Sad state of affairs. At least SC has the opportunity to rid themselves of their pathetic gasbag in the near future.

Posted by: Gerry Owen at March 08, 2013 01:03 PM (4ABat)

124
Fast forward to November 2014:

"Well, I know most conservatives are disappointed Lindsey Graham won his primary and is the Republican candidate. However, votes with us 50% of the time *blah* South Carolina's changing demographics *blah* Supreme Court *blah* redefining the paradigm of the conversation *blah* *blah* *blah*...."

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at March 08, 2013 01:04 PM (kdS6q)

125 Why do you fear the RPA program more than a F-i6? Posted by: tasker at March 08, 2013 04:57 PM

RPA's can be produced much cheaper, cost a fraction to deploy, are smaller and harder to detect. There's also no physical risk to the operator other than carpal tunnel syndrome

That, and King Putt would just love to dream up an excuse to use them on political enemies that some academic hack has decided is a "domestic terror threat" .. you know, like "Tea Partiers"

Any more questions?

Posted by: kbdabear at March 08, 2013 01:04 PM (mCvL4)

126 Everyone should go listen to Mark Levin's take-down of McCain in his latest podcast.

Posted by: Not an Artist at March 08, 2013 01:04 PM (uRumV)

127 MClame is starting to fit those photos that Jill Greenberg took of him a couple years back.. she is a douche too

Posted by: The Jackhole at March 08, 2013 01:04 PM (nTgAI)

128 Tasker, have you *not* been paying attention to any of this since it started? Or is the whole "ignore the actual discussion and argue tangential point" thing a "ploy" of some kind to make some obscure point?

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i][/b][/s] at March 08, 2013 01:05 PM (bxiXv)

129
And a reminder:

Meghan McCain ‏@McCainBlogette

I hope you feel like you've accomplished something truly noble & important in the world when you tweet me nasty comments about my father.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at March 08, 2013 01:05 PM (kdS6q)

130 The McCain, Graham, RINO response to Rand Paul and Ted Cruz should remove any doubt that the GOP at best is completely incompetent and at worst as statist as the Dems

114 104 Right, because the Dems would also have people like Paul, Cruz and Rubio in their ranks. No difference.
Posted by: pep at March 08, 2013 05:00 PM (6TB1Z)
Howz'at????????

What part is unclear?

Posted by: pep at March 08, 2013 01:05 PM (6TB1Z)

131 @ http://tinyurl.com/cyqmg8z Well, thank God this was found by the Russians. Cause nothing says safety and security like good, old-fashioned Russian technology and science.

Posted by: Chernobyl Mutant Boy at March 08, 2013 01:05 PM (j2lYi)

132 Posted by: tasker at March 08, 2013 05:03 PM (r2PLg) I see you, like unlike Eric Holder, still have not answered the question. Does the US Government have the authority to assassinate US Citizens on US Soil? Because John McCain (by so forcibly opposing Rand Paul on this) is saying it does.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at March 08, 2013 01:05 PM (xN73L)

133 Where the hell did my ampersand go!!!!???

Posted by: General Woundwort at March 08, 2013 01:05 PM (RrD4h)

134 &&&

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i][/b][/s] at March 08, 2013 01:06 PM (bxiXv)

135 I got 'em, Woundwort.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i][/b][/s] at March 08, 2013 01:06 PM (bxiXv)

136

For me more than anything, it is the tone. He has become so mean spirited. I'm afraid you see this all too often with Senators who have stayed too long. See Luger. Not all SEnators act this way of course.

McCain could have come out and said he respected Mr. Paul and and agree that it is an issue worth discussing, but he respectfully disagrees and here is why.

Instead he became all McCainny and it comes off as crotechety.

Rand Paul has shown very respectful tone in his response.

Posted by: SH at March 08, 2013 01:07 PM (gmeXX)

137 They call me pixie, pixe, faster than lightning, all your ampersands I see, they belong to me.

Posted by: The Jackhole at March 08, 2013 01:08 PM (nTgAI)

138 RPA's can be produced much cheaper, cost a fraction to deploy, RPA's can be produced much cheaper, cost a fraction to deploy, are smaller and harder to detect. There's also no physical risk to the operator other than carpal tunnel syndrome There's also no physical risk to the operator other than carpal tunnel syndrome ____________ The "cheaper" is an aspect you can appreciate --or should appreciate as a tax payer--not only in treasure--money--but in the cost to human lives. are smaller and harder to detect. There's also no physical risk to the operator other than carpal tunnel syndrome. The result--a hell fire missile exploding--is not hard to detect. Also a F-16 pilot isn't going to be that much more tasked.

Posted by: tasker at March 08, 2013 01:08 PM (r2PLg)

139 22 I have no love for McCain but in this case after looking at the full context I think he was just trying to say that the 'wacko birds' reflect their wacko constituencies and that 'wackos' always get more media attention.

Still kinda asshole-ish but not quite Defcon 1.

Posted by: MÃ¦tenloch at March 08, 2013 05:03 PM (pAlYe)

---

So, what do you call McCain's constituency?

Posted by: Craig Poe at March 08, 2013 01:08 PM (BVkEs)

140 The "cheaper" is an aspect you can appreciate --or should appreciate as a tax payer--not only in treasure--money--but in the cost to human lives--American lives saved on the battlefield.

Posted by: tasker at March 08, 2013 01:09 PM (r2PLg)

141 132 Posted by: pep at March 08, 2013 05:05 PM (6TB1Z) You do realize that the ESTABLISHMENT of the GOP has a progressive streak that goes back to Teddy Roosevelt, no? The three I mentioned are at the forefront of trying to wrest control back to the traditional conservatives who represent the base. So that said, which Senators/Congressman in the Democrat Party are Constitutional conservatives?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 08, 2013 01:09 PM (XkWWK)

142 Posted by: tasker at March 08, 2013 05:08 PM (r2PLg)

You are arguing with yourself man....

Posted by: KG at March 08, 2013 01:09 PM (p7BzH)

143 I caught the Wacko Birds live back in '83. Awesome performance!

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at March 08, 2013 01:09 PM (BuSM8)

144 @46 McCain pic on drudge
Looks like that pic goes back to a Dec2010 Huff'n'puff post about losing in '08.

Google search by image returns the Huff'n'Puff post among others.

Posted by: Skandia Recluse at March 08, 2013 01:10 PM (nCj/v)

145 Colleagues from their own party, McCain and Graham can call nasty names over a policy disagreement. Yet when its members of the opposition party, they get all respectful and sober.

Posted by: montel at March 08, 2013 01:10 PM (4uXgo)

146 Iowahawk puts the smackdown on Grandpa McCain on Twitter:

Somewhere outside Del Webb's Sun City, an IHOP is missing a customer arguing about an expired coupon. #McCain

Somewhere in Scottsdale, a freeway lane is missing a Winnebago traveling in the wrong direction. #McCain

Somewhere in Clearwater, a McDonalds lobby is missing a Buick. #McCain

Somewhere in Arizona, an RV park is missing a shuffleboard referee. #McCain

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent at March 08, 2013 01:10 PM (opLk0)

147 @ 103 ...Can birds whack off? Posted by: Keep that beak away from my monkey! at March 08, 2013 04:59 PM (yn6XZ) I'm doing it right now on your car.

Posted by: First Robin of Spring at March 08, 2013 01:10 PM (j2lYi)

148 We've thrown away our former gods
Controlling our day
We have created better ones
So we control the way

We are the ones with the power
To hold down the enemy
Our gods are perfection
And they are protecting our lives
We still need some more of them
To be safe from the other side
As long as we're stronger
Nothing will happen to us

Fireflash in the night
Just an evil dream
Holy war in the sky... never

[Insania 20 16]

Error in store 103
We watch the sun at night
The pretty gods we're built ourselves
Now terminate our lives
Silicone brain powered voices
Are crying "attack" tonight
Our gods are now fighting
In anger, burning our world
Doomsday has come
And there is no place to hide away
The future is over
And there is no turning back
Fireflash in the night
Now reality
Holy war in the sky.....

Twilight of the gods
Insania's dead and gone
Another world was born
But the twilight soon will come

Posted by: Berserker at March 08, 2013 01:10 PM (FMbng)

149 147 Colleagues from their own party, McCain and Graham can call nasty names over a policy disagreement. Yet when its members of the opposition party, they get all respectful and sober.

Posted by: montel at March 08, 2013 05:10 PM (4uXgo)

Reminds me how leftists get all in Christians' faces, but prostrate themselves before Muslims...

Posted by: KG at March 08, 2013 01:11 PM (p7BzH)

150 So, what do you call McCain's constituency?
Posted by: Craig Poe at March 08, 2013 05:08 PM (BVkEs)

Arizona, the MSM, and his giganormous ego. :-(

Posted by: Mætenloch at March 08, 2013 01:12 PM (pAlYe)

151 126
Fast forward to November 2014:

"Well, I know most conservatives are disappointed Lindsey Graham won his primary and is the Republican candidate. However, votes with us 50% of the time *blah* South Carolina's changing demographics *blah* Supreme Court *blah* redefining the paradigm of the conversation *blah* *blah* *blah*...."

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at March 08, 2013 05:04 PM (kdS6q)

I hope and pray that this doesn't come true, if the TEA party does nothing else in the next election cycle but take Graham out in the primaries that will be enough for me.

Posted by: Shoey at March 08, 2013 01:12 PM (jdOk/)

152

\m/ \m/

Posted by: The Jackhole at March 08, 2013 01:12 PM (nTgAI)

153 You are arguing with yourself man.... Posted by: KG at March 08, 2013 05:09 PM (p7BzH) And losing badly. Next up, Paul criticizes the policy of berthing multiple carriers at one location, McCain calls him a poopy-head, tasker asks us why we hate hovercraft. Has it always been this way, or is it a Very Special Friday?

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i][/b][/s] at March 08, 2013 01:13 PM (bxiXv)

154 @137

Why you insulant cur!

How dare you disrespect your elder!

Give me back my ampersand!!!!

** shakes cane furiously **

Posted by: General Woundwort at March 08, 2013 01:14 PM (RrD4h)

155 The three I mentioned are at the forefront of trying to wrest control back to the traditional conservatives who represent the base.

You do realize that all three are, repeat it with me now........

REPUBLICANS. That's right. The opposite of Democrats. One is not like the other. There are people in the party with whom we disagree, but I am sick to death of the "there's no difference" nonsense. It isn't so, and you know better.

Posted by: pep at March 08, 2013 01:14 PM (6TB1Z)

156 Give me back my ampersand!!!! Posted by: General Woundwort at March 08, 2013 05:14 PM (RrD4h) &

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i][/b][/s] at March 08, 2013 01:14 PM (bxiXv)

157 Maet, flirting with stolen election equivalency makes me think he doesn't believe them to be legitimate representatives, in the honorable and respected sense. So, he'll say "it's not like those nutbags stole an election, but they're still crazy and have no place here"

Posted by: JohnE. at March 08, 2013 01:15 PM (nRTou)

158 Tasker seems inordinately personally invested in the drones to where all he's hearing is "drones bad" and completely missing the actual issue. Fascinating.

Posted by: BSR at March 08, 2013 01:16 PM (H0Rot)

159

Juan McCain has a puffy face kinda like Ashley Judd's, but it's much worse in that it's asymmetric puffiness.

Perhaps puffy, incoherent people feel an innate kinship that cuts across party lines. "I say incoherent shit, you say incoherent shit. That makes us shit-brothers."

Posted by: Wm T Sherman at March 08, 2013 01:17 PM (w41GQ)

160 I'm all for giving the military the biggest and baddest shit on the planet. What I'm NOT into is giving some fucking wannabe tyrant or any "leader" the ability to use them on American soil against our own people. That is pure fucking madness.

Posted by: Berserker at March 08, 2013 01:18 PM (FMbng)

161 155 You are arguing with yourself man.... Posted by: KG at March 08, 2013 05:09 PM (p7BzH) And losing badly. Next up, Paul criticizes the policy of berthing multiple carriers at one location, McCain calls him a poopy-head, tasker asks us why we hate hovercraft. Has it always been this way, or is it a Very Special Friday? Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at March 08, 2013 05:13 PM (bxiXv) ________________ You could argue the larger issues. McCain was addressing Rand Paul's presentation of the case against al-Aulaqi which Rand Paul grossly oversimplified and the list Rand Paul presented as to why Americans should fear they would also be targeted. If you don't think Rand Paul -used the drone program --to present his case than that is your prerogative.

Posted by: tasker at March 08, 2013 01:18 PM (r2PLg)

162 It is nice of McCain to remind everyone of what a wizened beef-witted poltroon he is.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i][/b][/s] at March 08, 2013 01:18 PM (bxiXv)

163 Posted by: pep at March 08, 2013 05:14 PM (6TB1Z) If there were no difference, then surely the 4 million or so conservatives who stayed home on election day would have shown up to vote for Romney, and instead of lambasting Rand Paul, McCain and the others would have joined in the filibuster? I believe that the establishment of the GOP is interested in holding onto their power and electing candidates who will take us down the same path as the Dems, only at a slower rate. They are statists every bit as much as the Dems. It's not about party; it's about the ideology of the individuals. The comparisons to the Whigs of the 1850's are quite striking.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 08, 2013 01:19 PM (XkWWK)

164 160 Tasker seems inordinately personally invested in the drones to where all he's hearing is "drones bad" and completely missing the actual issue. Fascinating. Posted by: BSR at March 08, 2013 05:16 PM (H0Rot) ________________ Well go read the Libertarian threads.

Posted by: tasker at March 08, 2013 01:20 PM (r2PLg)

165 159 Maet, flirting with stolen election equivalency makes me think he doesn't believe them to be legitimate representatives, in the honorable and respected sense.
So, he'll say "it's not like those nutbags stole an election, but they're still crazy and have no place here"
Posted by: JohnE. at March 08, 2013 05:15 PM (nRTou)

Maybe but if you read the fuller quote at the link on Drudge, I think he was babbling and just mangled the already nasty point he was trying to make.

Posted by: Mætenloch at March 08, 2013 01:20 PM (pAlYe)

166 If you don't think Rand Paul -used the drone program --to present his case than that is your prerogative. Posted by: tasker at March 08, 2013 05:18 PM (r2PLg) So, to sum up, you weren't paying attention. That's cool, would have saved time to just go there up front. It would help if you would go back and check the Holder testimony and statements before Paul's filibuster to catch up with what the rest of us are talking about. Kind of get us all on the same chapter of the book, if you will.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i][/b][/s] at March 08, 2013 01:22 PM (bxiXv)

167 The "cheaper" is an aspect you can appreciate --or should appreciate as a tax payer--not only in treasure--money--but in the cost to human lives.

are smaller and harder to detect. There's also no physical risk to the operator other than carpal tunnel syndrome.

The result--a hell fire missile exploding--is not hard to detect.

Also a F-16 pilot isn't going to be that much more tasked.
Posted by: tasker at March 08, 2013 05:08 PM

You're deflecting the whole argument anyway.

This isn't about whether drones or F-16's are more efficient

It's about whether the Obama administration believes that it can order either to kill an American citizen on American soil without due process, just because they can claim that said American is a "threat"

Suppose a bunch of war vets go on a camping and shooting trip, and Big Sis tells TFG that she believes they're plotting to overthrow the government

Are you OK with TFG ordering a drone strike or a F-16 strike on them? That's the point

If you keep arguing the efficiency aspects while ignoring legalities, you're just concern trolling at that point

Posted by: kbdabear at March 08, 2013 01:23 PM (mCvL4)

168 &

Posted by: YIKES! at March 08, 2013 01:23 PM (mETGQ)

169 Who is gonna challenge him in '16?

Posted by: The Political Hat at March 08, 2013 01:23 PM (XvHmy)

170 152 So, what do you call McCain's constituency?
Posted by: Craig Poe at March 08, 2013 05:08 PM (BVkEs)

Arizona, the MSM, and his giganormous ego. :-(

Posted by: MÃ¦tenloch at March 08, 2013 05:12 PM (pAlYe)

---

But not "wacko's"?

Posted by: Craig Poe at March 08, 2013 01:23 PM (BVkEs)

171

I for one love to watch the right wing implode on the fecal backwash of its ideologies. It is, in a word, de-li-cious. Yummy tears from the insignificant cuntservatives.

Posted by: McCain, Scmuckain at March 08, 2013 01:23 PM (XVKkD)

172
REPUBLICANS. That's right. The opposite of Democrats. One is not like the other. There are people in the party with whom we disagree, but I am sick to death of the "there's no difference" nonsense. It isn't so, and you know better.

Posted by: pep at March 08, 2013 05:14 PM (6TB1Z)

you poor deluded fool...

"judge a man not by his words but by his actions"

the same goes for political parties, it doesn't matter what they say all that matters is what they do\have done.

the GOP has been exactly the same as the Dems since Coolidge and don't even try the old "Well, what was Reagan then?".

loved the guy, but he was a speed bump, dude that's all.

Posted by: Shoey at March 08, 2013 01:25 PM (jdOk/)

173 If there were no difference, then surely the 4 million or so conservatives who stayed home on election day would have shown up to vote for Romney, and instead of lambasting Rand Paul, McCain and the others would have joined in the filibuster?

I assume you mean "a difference".

I can't help that 4M (or whatever number) stayed home out of a misguided sense that there was no difference. Comments about there being no difference certainly don't help to dispel the misimpression, though. Again, would Rubio, Cruz or Paul be in the Democratic party? No! That puts the lie to the proposition.

QED

Posted by: pep at March 08, 2013 01:25 PM (6TB1Z)

174
Who is gonna challenge him in '16?

Posted by: The Political Hat

The Grim Reaper....

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at March 08, 2013 01:25 PM (kdS6q)

175 I read the full quote, and I still sort of see it that way. Either way, strange way to make a point.

Posted by: JohnE. at March 08, 2013 01:25 PM (nRTou)

176 [&]

Posted by: YIKES! at March 08, 2013 01:26 PM (mETGQ)

177 If there were no difference, then surely the 4 million or so conservatives who stayed home on election day Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 08, 2013 05:19 PM (XkWWK) Urban legend as a result of incomplete totals being reported a day or two after the election. Romney did get 1.8 million fewer, Obama got 8.5 million fewer than in 2008. Romney got more states than McCain. As it turns out, they were both clusterfuck elections. Who knew? But there was no massive plot to stay home, just less overall turnout. Relatively speaking, Romney did *better*, just still lost.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i][/b][/s] at March 08, 2013 01:27 PM (bxiXv)

178 you poor deluded fool...

High praise indeed coming from you.

Posted by: pep at March 08, 2013 01:27 PM (6TB1Z)

179 164 It is nice of McCain to remind everyone of what a wizened beef-witted poltroon he is.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at March 08, 2013 05:18 PM (bxiXv)

You forgot to add "that I and the majority if not all on this pathetic-horse-cum-garggling-list voted for, with the lipsticked pig as his sidekick. You really should not self-edit, you fucking scumbag, hypocrite, jagoff, you.

Posted by: McCain, Scmuckain at March 08, 2013 01:27 PM (XVKkD)

180 Give me back my ampersand!!!! Posted by: General Woundwort & Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith I'm Pope Ampersand I, and I approve this tussle.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, the future Pope Ampersand I at March 08, 2013 01:28 PM (fMiHM)

181 Posted by: pep at March 08, 2013 05:25 PM (6TB1Z) At this stage, it's an exercise in futility, bless your heart.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 08, 2013 01:28 PM (XkWWK)

182 Does this mean the GOP civil war has officially started? I hope so.

Posted by: joejm65 at March 08, 2013 01:29 PM (UZuc4)

183

Jagoff, Mergovin, Jagoff Ace, Jagoffs et al.

Posted by: McCain, Scmuckain at March 08, 2013 01:29 PM (XVKkD)

184 'McCain goes after other people in the Republican Party because it gets him attention on TV. This is it in a nutshell. McVain was all ready for the Sunday shows following his dinner date. Now, nobody has even asked what happened at the dinner. And the only reason ppl are discussing McPain is because he's acting like an idiot.

Posted by: Schwalbe: The Me-262© at March 08, 2013 01:29 PM (UU0OF)

185 178 [amp;] Posted by: YIKES! at March 08, 2013 05:26 PM (mETGQ) The issue isn't the code, it's the comment box, browser, and javascript combination that's the problem. I don't know all the possibles, but Chrome+turn off javascript allows Ampersands. I think Firefox still has the command buttons with javascript, and IE doesn't anymore, so you need to turn off JS, which you can on a per-site basis in some browsers.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i][/b][/s] at March 08, 2013 01:30 PM (bxiXv)

186 Yeah, the personal stalker troll is back. Hello, stalker troll. Fucked up the name again, I see.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i][/b][/s] at March 08, 2013 01:32 PM (bxiXv)

187 Why do you fear the RPA program more than a F-i6? Posted by: tasker at March 08, 2013 04:57 PM (r2PLg) The govt can only field a few dozen in the skies at a time. Drones can be hovering constantly. The thing that makes them good also makes them tools for tyranny.

Posted by: HoboJerky, profit of DOOM! at March 08, 2013 01:34 PM (FsUAO)

188 It seems to me that if you support the drone program, the best thing would be to reassure the public that it won't be used against them, rather than scoffing at the question.

Posted by: Sooth's Monkeys at March 08, 2013 01:35 PM (QupBk)

189 180you poor deluded fool...

High praise indeed coming from you.

Posted by: pep at March 08, 2013 05:27 PM (6TB1Z)

what can i say, i'm a helper.

Posted by: Shoey at March 08, 2013 01:38 PM (jdOk/)

190

Lindsay Graham is a disgrace to South Carolina. They can and should do better.

If Lindsay Graham was the Senator from Maine, I would bitch, whine, complain, and yet still accept. But we are talking SOUTH CAROLINA. I was in Charleston recently- those people talk about the Civil War, and then discuss when they will try it again! SOUTH CAROLINA can, and should, do better.

...or I fear we we will have to try it again....

Posted by: Gerry Owen at March 08, 2013 01:39 PM (4ABat)

191 And you're not being honest with yourself if you don't at least question the drone program, as it's currently being used. We should always be wary of secret programs taking lives in possibly random ways, both in its efficacy in achieving goals, and morally.

Posted by: HoboJerky, profit of DOOM! at March 08, 2013 01:39 PM (FsUAO)

192 Personally, the worst part of McCain's behavior is how it makes me feel about supporting the asshole in the past.

I still want to believe he would have better than Obama. I wish he didn't appear to be so determined to convince me I am wrong about that.

Posted by: jc at March 08, 2013 01:40 PM (i8c5b)

193 & ^^AH HAAAAA!!!

Posted by: General Woundwort at March 08, 2013 01:40 PM (RrD4h)

194 110 This wasn't about "the RPA program." Drones were incidental to the actual question, which is this: does the US Government have the authority to assassinate an American Citizen on US Soil?

That was the primary question but Sen. Paul did devote some time to the GWOT, the use of drones overseas, the Anwar al-Aulaqi case, and the efficiency of drones. He mentioned the second and third at least three times. So no, that was not his main subject, but he did discuss his concerns regarding the other issues.

Posted by: 80sBaby at March 08, 2013 01:46 PM (YjDyJ)

195 Megan = apple, John = tree. Clear enough?

Posted by: Rip VanBullwinkle at March 08, 2013 01:50 PM (w8ldk)

196 They both look like had a barfight with bees armed with Botox needles." Hehe, maybe it's the scotch talking It is tgif, after all, but that was laugh out loud funny. And, then I thought of Kerry...

Posted by: tgibeach at March 08, 2013 01:51 PM (XYSwB)

197 lol, fm I'm on the wrong thread.

Posted by: tgibeach at March 08, 2013 01:51 PM (XYSwB)

198 Personally, the worst part of McCain's behavior is how it makes me feel about supporting the asshole in the past.

I still want to believe he would have better than Obama. I wish he didn't appear to be so determined to convince me I am wrong about that.

Posted by: jc at March 08, 2013 05:40 PM (i8c5b)

Either way we were fucked; in a way we were better off with the JEF winning so that the Tea Party could form and begin serving notice to Repukes like McRINO and Goober that they were history. As much as I like how Rand Paul has revealed those turds for the quisling fucks they are, we'd still be in better shape looking to governors for 2016 because people from the Senate tend to make poor Presidents.

But back to your point, after 4 years I still can't get the stench of voting for McStain off me.

Posted by: Captain Hate at March 08, 2013 01:54 PM (/FoYJ)

199 Wacko birds.

Well, what do you call it when someone goes on a 13-hour rant demanding an answer to a nonsensical question which is already settled law?

Because according to John Yoo, it was never in question - and he should know since he authored the AG opinion under Bush confirming the status on the demand of Democrats. That Eric Holder and Rand Paul may have been ignorant of this fact only makes them fools and incompetents.

Besides, since ALL armed drones are operated by the military and not by CIA, how does it make sense to filibuster the DCI nominee over the "question" in the first place?

But every grandstanding huckster since Barnum has found plenty of willing and eager suckers, why should Paul be different?

Posted by: Adjoran at March 08, 2013 02:20 PM (9uOra)

200 Too long, old man, too long. Sad business when a man can't let go.

Posted by: rrpjr at March 08, 2013 02:21 PM (r5HoA)

201 In other news today, Jeb "hanging chad" Bush will not rule out a run at the WH in 2016. Any run by Bush, including the GOP nomination, would have anyone from Teddy Kennedy to Louis Farrakhan winning the Presidency.

Posted by: Frankenstein Government at March 08, 2013 02:42 PM (GOG1H)

202 This is the section in question: is objecting to your government or the policies of your government - the policy of your government sympathizing with the enemy? Some were openly sympathetic. Nobody will ever forget Jane Fonda sniveling around with North Vietnamese armored guns and it was despicable. That's one thing if you want to try her for treason, but are you going to just drop a drone, a hell-fired missile on Jane Fonda? Are you going to drop a missile on those at Kent state? Kent state was not good, but in some ways it was accidental since they were shooting over the heads of these people. But can you imagine, we have gone from a country that was rightfully upset about the deaths at Kent state to a country that is going to say, if your country and you're rabble-rousing because you don't like the government's foreign policy or government's war actions that you are sympathizing? See, there are a lot of questions that aren't being asked because sympathizing appears to be used as a standard for the drone strike program. We actually had students apparently during the Vietnamese war who were raising funds for the Viet cong. That sounds like treason. Sounds like something, when you're fighting an enemy and you're comforting the enemy, that does sound like treason. I have no problem with some people being tried for treason. But they don't get a hell-fired missile sent to their house. There is, though, a difference between sympathizing and taking up arms. Most people around here who want to justify no rules, America is a battlefield, no limits to war, they really want to blur it all together. Because it's easier to say, oh, you don't want to stop anybody who is shooting at Americans. But it's not true. I think lethal force can be used against those engaged in lethal force. What troubles me about the drone strike program is that quite a few - I don't know the number - "The Wall Street Journal" says the bulk of the attacks in Pakistan have been signature attacks, meaning: nobody named and nobody specifically identified, and that civilians aren't really counted because anybody, any male between the age of 16 and 50 is a combatant unless otherwise proven. But if those are the standards, I think we need to be alarmed. And I think there is a difference between sympathizing and taking up arms. Transcript Rand Paul filibuster

Posted by: tasker at March 08, 2013 03:03 PM (r2PLg)

203 it's always the wacko birds on right and left that get the media megaphone.

Posted by: Said the Wacko Bird at March 08, 2013 03:19 PM (N2yhW)

204 Might want to check out why many people uneasy about drones

http://reason.com/blog/2013/03/04/dhs-drones-designed-to-snoop-on-guns-com

Posted by: wg at March 08, 2013 03:21 PM (Wb9gi)

205

I take solace in the fact that McConnell went to the floor to support Rand Paul, albeit at a late hour. I think it was in part a recognition that people like Paul, Cruz, and Rubio are the future of the party. Beltway jerks like McCain and Graham are obsolete.

Posted by: Reggie1971 at March 08, 2013 03:54 PM (8cOY0)

206 McCain, Graham, Boehner and the rest are part of the power machine that has to go. These idiots are in the same class as all of the other career politicians that have made power and greed their calling. Yes, McCain is an american hero but because of what he sacrificed in war....not his politics. I can love the sinner, but not the sin.

Posted by: Daily Dish at March 08, 2013 04:07 PM (+b3dK)

207 Let me get this straight. John McCain complained about other people behaving badly to get face time with the media.

John.
McCain.

Posted by: richard mcenroe at March 08, 2013 04:12 PM (qvify)

208

No Thrilla from Wasilla, definitely no Cruz and possibly no Paul either.

Wonder if McShame will finally turn on her.

Posted by: njinfl at March 08, 2013 04:14 PM (Iis02)

209 When we say that an American Al Qaeda is entitled to due process, do we mean he will get a hearing, and evidence obtained by warrantless searches and paid informants will be excluded? Or are we demanding a right to another lesser form of due process?

Posted by: Chris Balsz at March 08, 2013 05:43 PM (0Bs6G)

210 Seriously, all this hating on my dad is not sexy. If the Republican Party ever wants to get with young people, they need to stay away from these fortysomething Senators like Cruz and Paul, and stick with the proven leadership of guys like my dad and his good friends Graham and Alexander.

Posted by: Meghan McCain at March 08, 2013 05:52 PM (ACq/K)

211 Leaving aside the unprovoked "wacko bird" insult, what an absolutely bizarre way to frame a response to a rather innocuous question. "Corrupt elections"? What the hell is he talking about and what is he implying? - He is emphasizing that they only have a technical, legal right to their positions, as a result of formally valid election. Nothing else. He's implying that conservatives have no moral right to exist let alone occupy any place of power. That is the standard leftist view, and he agrees.

Posted by: Chromoly Man at March 09, 2013 04:33 AM (EUlR4)

212 205 McCain, Graham, Boehner and the rest are part of the power machine that has to go. - They are all for mass immigration and forced integration, that is eliminating the whites by swamping them and forcing them to integrate, while non-whites are free to play us-vs.-them games. This is white genocide, or in practical political terms this is the end of the Republican base or its leadership. One or the other will go; the politicians will finish getting rid of the people and electing a new people, or the people will get rid of the leaders and find other leaders who won't support this policy. The reason that sounds melodramatic is that the actual policy is stone crazy. It's abnormal for a political party to go along with getting rid of its own supporters, but that is what is happening.

Posted by: Chromoly Man at March 09, 2013 04:43 AM (EUlR4)

213 I imagine a Wacko Bird looking something like an American Bald Eagle breathing fire while clutching the U.S. Constitution in one talon and a bunch of black arrows in the other.

Posted by: Neo at March 09, 2013 11:45 AM (4124f)

214 212. Say it!

Posted by: Shan at March 09, 2013 11:55 AM (V9MHw)

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