December 18, 2013
— Ace
Oh man, this is the best quote ever: “They are lovely, gentle people” McCain says of the Fijians, “even though they used to eat each other."
— Byron Tau (@ByronTau) December 18, 2013I wonder what the hell he was talking about that led him to note this tasty historical tidbit.
In fact, he's right, or at least Wikipedia says he's right. Fiji was once called "The Cannibal Isles" and cannibalism was practiced there into the early twentieth century.
The quote comes from a critical, mocking New York Times piece called How John McCain Turned His Clichés Into Meaning. It argues McCain is a walking cliché and also driven by a sense of superiority and outrage. On that particular point, I won't charge the paper with political bias.
This part of the story illustrates some of the phoniness of Washington, DC.
When I walk into John McCain’s office a week before Thanksgiving, he is not at all happy — and seems to be enjoying it quite a bit.He is sampling none of the usual flavors of upset we tend to associate with the Arizona senator: not the “McCain is bitter” or “get off my yard” varieties, not even the “deeply troubled” umbrage that politicians of all stripes love to assume. Here is a man, instead, who is gleefully seizing an opportunity for outrage.
“I am very angry,” McCain says through a smiling grimace. He hands me a photocopied compilation of old quotes from the Senate majority leader, Harry Reid, from back when Democrats were in the minority and Republicans were threatening to enact a rule — the so-called nuclear option — that would require only a 51-vote majority to confirm most presidential and judicial nominations. Turns out Reid believed this was a bad idea when the Republicans were in charge but was a good one now, and McCain is packing bullet points.
“I’m going to go kick the crap out of Harry Reid,” he keeps announcing as we walk from his office to the Capitol. Once on the Senate floor, McCain approaches Reid, puts his hands on the majority leader’s shoulders, smiles and says something I can’t make out from the visitors’ gallery above. Reid smiles back, says a few words in reply and places his hands on McCain’s sides. It looks as if they are dancing.
Minutes later, McCain stands to address the chamber. He is, as advertised, very, very unhappy. Today is a “black chapter in the history of the Senate,” he says, referencing something Reid said back in 2008, as a way of pointing out his hypocrisy. He then goes on to explain that this is as “historic” a vote as he can remember casting and that he feels great “sorrow” for the harm done to the institution on this “sad day.”
After McCain leaves the floor, I ask him what he said to Reid before his speech. “I said, ‘Harry, I’m going to go kick the crap out of you.’ Then he said, ‘John, I would expect nothing less.’ ” McCain grins big to conclude this dark chapter in the history of the United States Senate.
"Kick the crap out of Harry Reid" meant "say some empty words on the Senate floor." But the two seem to be buddies, just trading jibes with one another.
And yet, this is the New York Times, so of course it's steeped in bias.
John McCain is a cliché.
It is not his fault, or not entirely. Many of us become walking self-caricatures at a certain point, and politicians can be particularly vulnerable, especially those who have maneuvered their very public lives as conspicuously as McCain. They tell and retell the same stories; things get musty. They engage in a lot of self-mythologizing, and no one in Washington has been the subject and the perpetrator of more mythmaking than McCain: the maverick, the former maverick, the curmudgeon, the bridge builder, the war hero bent on transcending the call of self-interest to serve a cause greater than himself, the sore loser, old bull, last lion, loose cannon, happy warrior, elder statesman, lion in winter . . . you lose track of which McCain cliché is operational at a given moment. He does, too. “I think I was the brave maverick when I was taking on Bush,” McCain told me, “and then I was the bitter old man when I was criticizing Obamacare.”
Um, this author stupidly takes that as a confession when the much more plausible reading is that McCain is noting, darkly, that the media hailed him as a brave maverick when he was attacking Republicans and then decided he was just a bitter old crank when he criticized President Cargo Cult.
Surely this interpretation occurred to the writer. But he'll pretend it didn't, to avoid quoting something derogatory about his guild, and to make his story's thesis.
If there was any context for the Fijians Are Cannibals line, the writer makes sure not to mention it, to make McCain appear as Old Coot-y as possible:
After his screed on the floor against Harry Reid, McCain hurries back to his office for a scheduled sit-down with a group of dignitaries from Australia. “I love the Aussies!” he declares to me outside his office door, then swings it open and is met with a faceful of them. “Sorry I’m late,” he tells them. “I was just up on the floor kicking the crap out of the Democratic leader.” They all sit down, and McCain mentions that Congress’s approval ratings are now so low “we’re down to paid staffers and blood relatives.” He drops this line so often that probably the only people on the planet who haven’t heard it are in Australia. Everyone laughs, and McCain adds that he recently received a call from his 101-year-old mother, and she’s not happy with Congress, either. “So now we’re down to just paid staff,” he says, to genuine belly laughs. A few minutes later, McCain wants to talk about Fiji, the archipelago in the South Pacific where he says he used to vacation with his family. “They are lovely, gentle people,” McCain says of the Fijians, “even though they used to eat each other.”
McCain might have been making a point (like, sure, Congress can deal pleasantly with each other some day, after all, the Fijians...), but if he was, it is carefully removed from any context.
Most of the rest of the article consists of the writer badgering him into saying bad things about Sarah Palin and Ted Cruz. (He changes the subject.)
The writer also gets some juicy quotes from Meghan McCain, using her words to stand in for the things John McCain thinks but cannot say for political reasons. For example:
“I’m really not psyched about going back to Arizona to do another Tea Party election,” Meghan McCain told me. “I honestly don’t know how much more of that I can hear.”
Still... that Fiji quote is sort of funny, I guess. I just wish the writer could be a little more honest about it.
Update: Zombie offers a "True Fact" about Fiji which sounds okay to me so I'm going to count it as "Confirmed."
The King of Fiji in the 1860s was sick of being abused by the British, so he sent a letter to Abraham Lincoln begging him the annex Fiji to the United States -- as a way of freeing the nation from British rule.The letter was routed to the State Department, where (as far as we can tell) it was assumed to be some kind of practical joke, and the letter eventually fell behind a radiator, unanswered.
About 120 years later, the building was being renovated, and the workers discovered the long-forgotten letter, still there.
Investigations Were Done, and it was determined 12 decades too late that the letter had been sincere, and that Fiji could have and would have been "the other Hawaii" and part of the US if the State Department hadn't been such assholes.
And Now Zombie Clarifies: It did kind of happen, but it wasn't the universally-recognized king.
A one-minute research binge informs me that the story recounted in comment #41 above is a bit more complicated than first reported. The UK and the US were sending competing warships to the Fiji area at that time, rattling sabres over who was going to be dominant in that part of the Pacific. The "king" who offered Fiji to the US was actually a souped-up warlord who was not universally recognized as king by all the islands. Furthermore, he also made the same offer to the Brits, who also initially turned it down.Later, after the king/warlord bankrupted the islands with typical dictator overspending, the Brits relieved him of the debt on the condition that Fiji become a British colony.
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Posted by: John McCain at December 18, 2013 03:24 PM (15Mpe)
Posted by: M. Murcek at December 18, 2013 03:25 PM (GJUgF)
I am angry at him in a partisan manner because I am a Republican, Al-NYT because he has outlived his utility as a mole.
Posted by: sven10077 at December 18, 2013 03:25 PM (9jfyN)
Posted by: Meggy MacNCheese at December 18, 2013 03:26 PM (vEHwq)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 18, 2013 03:26 PM (DmNpO)
Posted by: oc joe at December 18, 2013 03:28 PM (hqVUe)
Hey NDH Al-NYT is staffed by hard hitting pros...
never mind that I had arrived at that conclusion in ~1986 or so....
You can not spell New York Times without the DERP.
Posted by: sven10077 at December 18, 2013 03:28 PM (9jfyN)
Posted by: Naes1984 at December 18, 2013 03:29 PM (zeV2E)
Posted by: Lincolntf at December 18, 2013 03:29 PM (ZshNr)
Kuru? Something like that.
Posted by: alexthechick - Really Universe Really? at December 18, 2013 03:29 PM (Gk3SS)
Posted by: torabora at December 18, 2013 03:30 PM (1jp4v)
Posted by: Thunderb at December 18, 2013 03:31 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: My Name is Nobody at December 18, 2013 03:31 PM (5Q1ZU)
Posted by: Walter Freeman at December 18, 2013 03:31 PM (kqGWM)
Posted by: torabora at December 18, 2013 03:31 PM (1jp4v)
Posted by: Hank Johnson at December 18, 2013 03:32 PM (LDsJ6)
More than his constituents.
More than those whacko-bird, tea party johnny-come latelies.
Posted by: Lizzy at December 18, 2013 03:32 PM (ruxvM)
Posted by: Comment 116 on the previous thread at December 18, 2013 03:33 PM (gXtDC)
Posted by: John vs the volcano at December 18, 2013 03:33 PM (6TB1Z)
Posted by: Jean at December 18, 2013 03:34 PM (4JkHl)
Posted by: Sharkman at December 18, 2013 03:34 PM (TM1p8)
at least it's not like those american tea partiers chowing on a random cow or chicken.
Posted by: willow at December 18, 2013 03:34 PM (nqBYe)
... OMG somebody who worked for the government actually is supposed to go to jail. I'll believe when the slam the door behind him.
Posted by: Diogenes' DisHonest Man at December 18, 2013 03:35 PM (e8kgV)
Posted by: Dianna at December 18, 2013 03:35 PM (OgoU1)
Gotta save all his hate for the real enemy: Tea party Republicans.
Posted by: Lizzy at December 18, 2013 03:35 PM (ruxvM)
Posted by: Captain Hate at December 18, 2013 03:35 PM (NDwST)
Posted by: Lincolntf at December 18, 2013 03:36 PM (ZshNr)
Posted by: rickl at December 18, 2013 03:36 PM (sdi6R)
Posted by: Fijian Cannibal at December 18, 2013 03:36 PM (1jp4v)
Posted by: King Leonidas at December 18, 2013 03:36 PM (e8kgV)
Posted by: zombie at December 18, 2013 03:37 PM (+cx5n)
Posted by: Dr Spank at December 18, 2013 03:37 PM (P1WNR)
And I can't help myself. ♫
Posted by: Fijian Young Cannibals at December 18, 2013 03:39 PM (LDsJ6)
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at December 18, 2013 03:39 PM (dfYL9)
Posted by: Romeo13 at December 18, 2013 03:39 PM (lZBBB)
Is that a good thing? I don't necessarily want another dysfunctional culture full of dependency and resentment as a state. We have Massachusetts for that.
Posted by: pep at December 18, 2013 03:39 PM (6TB1Z)
Posted by: willow at December 18, 2013 03:39 PM (nqBYe)
Posted by: zombie at December 18, 2013 07:37 PM (+cx5n)
Lurch is in the perfect setting.
Posted by: Captain Hate at December 18, 2013 03:39 PM (NDwST)
Posted by: Dept. Of Acuracy at December 18, 2013 03:40 PM (MhA4j)
Posted by: willow at December 18, 2013 07:39 PM (nqBYe)
So you're waiting for that senile fuck to honor his promise to "name names"?
Posted by: Captain Hate at December 18, 2013 03:41 PM (NDwST)
Wow, I guess there are things worse than Kaboom.
Posted by: Rocks at December 18, 2013 03:41 PM (vR0sZ)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i] [/b] [/s] [/u] at December 18, 2013 03:42 PM (qyfb5)
Posted by: Dept. Of Acuracy at December 18, 2013 03:42 PM (MhA4j)
Posted by: Thunderb at December 18, 2013 03:43 PM (zOTsN)
Considering that the original Hawaii has been an infectious vector for insane socialistic crap in American politics for many decades now, it is all to the good that there isn't another one of them.
Posted by: torquewrench at December 18, 2013 03:43 PM (gqT4g)
Posted by: Lincolntf at December 18, 2013 03:44 PM (ZshNr)
Posted by: Thunderb at December 18, 2013 03:44 PM (zOTsN)
Maybe you'd like to come back???
... bring Meghan!!!
Posted by: A Starving Village In Fiji at December 18, 2013 03:44 PM (LDsJ6)
Posted by: Captain Hate at December 18, 2013 07:41 PM (NDwST)
Captain Hate I did hold my breath for a few minutes during the election and decided believing in McCain would be bad for my health.
Posted by: willow at December 18, 2013 03:44 PM (nqBYe)
Posted by: oc joe at December 18, 2013 03:45 PM (hqVUe)
Posted by: OG Celtic-American at December 18, 2013 03:46 PM (vHRtU)
Posted by: Naes1984 at December 18, 2013 03:46 PM (zeV2E)
Posted by: zombie at December 18, 2013 03:47 PM (+cx5n)
Hurricane Felix?
That was me finally breathing again after deciding McQueeg was full of shit as usual.
Posted by: sven10077 at December 18, 2013 03:47 PM (9jfyN)
Posted by: OG Celtic-American at December 18, 2013 03:47 PM (vHRtU)
Posted by: Romeo13 at December 18, 2013 03:48 PM (lZBBB)
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars [/i] [/b] [/s] at December 18, 2013 03:48 PM (u6nf+)
Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b] at December 18, 2013 03:49 PM (gtjN1)
Posted by: Naes1984 at December 18, 2013 03:50 PM (zeV2E)
Posted by: Jocon307 at December 18, 2013 03:50 PM (7+F2i)
Posted by: Zombie Helen Thomas' wheel-barrow toted labia at December 18, 2013 03:50 PM (6fSty)
Posted by: UWP at December 18, 2013 03:51 PM (2hQRj)
Posted by: OG Celtic-American at December 18, 2013 03:51 PM (vHRtU)
"hey just go with this ok" McCain reaches to Harry and says, I love ya man, but really act like i'm being mean alright? ok alright, I gotta have a pic taken and i think tea parties might be lookin at us. "
Harry, "alright man but look after dinner at my house tomorrow night i want a pic of your daughter fluffing Obama , ok? "
"no problem, she's already there " McCain.
Posted by: willow at December 18, 2013 03:51 PM (nqBYe)
Posted by: Lincolntf at December 18, 2013 03:52 PM (ZshNr)
Posted by: John Kerry, The Supreme Intellectual at December 18, 2013 03:52 PM (JQuNB)
Posted by: akula51[/b][/i][/s] at December 18, 2013 03:52 PM (54dkR)
Posted by: ontherocks at December 18, 2013 03:52 PM (duazi)
Posted by: Romeo13 at December 18, 2013 03:53 PM (lZBBB)
Posted by: Ook? at December 18, 2013 03:53 PM (FBkKA)
Thank you!
Posted by: alexthechick - Really Universe Really? at December 18, 2013 03:53 PM (Gk3SS)
Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b] at December 18, 2013 03:53 PM (gtjN1)
Posted by: Romeo13 at December 18, 2013 03:54 PM (lZBBB)
Reading it he sounds like a spoiled child craving attention, probably the truth.
Posted by: Temper Tantrum at December 18, 2013 03:54 PM (AWmfW)
Posted by: willow at December 18, 2013 07:44 PM (nqBYe)
True story: before 2008 I couldn't understand why Rush, people here and at Tepid Gas were being so mean to McCain; by the time the election rolled around I couldn't figure out why they were being so nice to the rancid turd.
Posted by: Captain Hate at December 18, 2013 03:55 PM (NDwST)
Posted by: Little Gulp at December 18, 2013 03:55 PM (gXtDC)
Posted by: Lauren at December 18, 2013 03:55 PM (hFL/3)
Posted by: Ben Had at December 18, 2013 03:55 PM (AyQ43)
Posted by: --- at December 18, 2013 03:55 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: EROWMER at December 18, 2013 03:56 PM (OONaw)
Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b] at December 18, 2013 03:56 PM (gtjN1)
Posted by: The Palm Beach Agorist at December 18, 2013 03:56 PM (1TraE)
How much did I hate Barack Obama?
I hate Barack Obama enough I willingly ate McCain's bullshit and canvassed for him despite my hatred of him.
I will not play that game in '16
Posted by: sven10077 at December 18, 2013 03:56 PM (9jfyN)
Posted by: Little Gulp at December 18, 2013 03:57 PM (gXtDC)
Do you notice how every Tom Hanks movie is the "#1 Movie!!" and has "critics raving about it" two weeks before they open?
All of it is Bullshit.
Posted by: soothsayer at December 18, 2013 03:57 PM (ZgBZU)
Posted by: Ook? at December 18, 2013 07:53 PM (FBkKA)
This person is very perceptive.
Posted by: Captain Hate at December 18, 2013 03:57 PM (NDwST)
Posted by: Romeo13 at December 18, 2013 03:57 PM (lZBBB)
I don't think he even thinks that way anymore. It's all play-acting now. It's not friends or enemies. That played out years ago. Now it's the media has something he wants, and they make him work to get it. He wants publicity. He'll play the game to get it.
Posted by: bonhomme at December 18, 2013 07:53 PM (gtjN1)
I cant see what he got out of this. He comes off badly.
Posted by: Temper Tantrum at December 18, 2013 03:58 PM (AWmfW)
Posted by: 97 other Senators at December 18, 2013 03:58 PM (nkPV9)
Posted by: --- at December 18, 2013 03:58 PM (MMC8r)
Are there any cast openings for a hot chocolate sipping slave boy?
Posted by: SnuggleBares94 at December 18, 2013 03:59 PM (R6JT1)
Posted by: The Palm Beach Agorist at December 18, 2013 07:56 PM (1TraE)
uh hmm, as proud as dems must be of Pelosi and Reid.
Posted by: willow at December 18, 2013 03:59 PM (nqBYe)
Posted by: Ben Had at December 18, 2013 07:55 PM (AyQ43)
Insurance against accidents?
Posted by: Temper Tantrum at December 18, 2013 03:59 PM (AWmfW)
Remember when they were hyping the shit out of POLAR EXPRESS?
They billed it as an "Instant Holiday Classic!"
Yeah, right.
Posted by: soothsayer at December 18, 2013 03:59 PM (NLH1M)
Insurance, blackmail potential, potential for loss of equipment.
Now you have to balance that with the potential to change lives and impact tomorrow one small step at a time.
My initial points are not aimed at you, and are a source of rage because I think our society is being purposefully destroyed form within by the dark forces you wish to fight and teach lads to fight.
Hope things work for you.
Posted by: sven10077 at December 18, 2013 03:59 PM (9jfyN)
Posted by: OG Celtic-American at December 18, 2013 04:00 PM (vHRtU)
Posted by: zombie at December 18, 2013 04:00 PM (+cx5n)
Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b] at December 18, 2013 04:00 PM (gtjN1)
and Juan McCain has a fairly empty crawl space.
Posted by: sven10077 at December 18, 2013 04:01 PM (9jfyN)
Posted by: Naes1984 at December 18, 2013 04:01 PM (zeV2E)
Posted by: Filthy Harry Reid at December 18, 2013 04:01 PM (MMC8r)
wonder what He's up to these days.
Posted by: willow at December 18, 2013 04:02 PM (nqBYe)
Posted by: wooga at December 18, 2013 04:02 PM (6UXQc)
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at December 18, 2013 04:02 PM (dfYL9)
Posted by: President Choad-Load at December 18, 2013 04:03 PM (vHRtU)
Posted by: Mr. Dave at December 18, 2013 04:04 PM (dw7lk)
Posted by: zombie at December 18, 2013 04:04 PM (+cx5n)
Posted by: wooga at December 18, 2013 04:04 PM (6UXQc)
Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b] at December 18, 2013 04:05 PM (gtjN1)
These dirty rotten politicians remind of that restaurant scene in the Keanu Reeves movie with Al Pacino as Satan.
Posted by: soothsayer at December 18, 2013 04:05 PM (+oin+)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at December 18, 2013 04:06 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Unexpurgated Edition) at December 18, 2013 04:06 PM (LSDdO)
Posted by: Ben Had at December 18, 2013 04:06 PM (AyQ43)
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ drinking heavily at December 18, 2013 04:06 PM (hO8IJ)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at December 18, 2013 04:07 PM (ZPrif)
He's a legend in his own mind.
Posted by: Temper Tantrum at December 18, 2013 04:07 PM (AWmfW)
Posted by: runningrn at December 18, 2013 04:07 PM (PLOz8)
Posted by: mc at December 18, 2013 04:07 PM (lrfmC)
Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b] at December 18, 2013 04:08 PM (gtjN1)
When will people learn:
Never explain, never apologize.
(at least not to your known enemies)
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Unexpurgated Edition) at December 18, 2013 04:08 PM (LSDdO)
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Unexpurgated Edition) at December 18, 2013 08:06 PM (LSDdO)
Moderates are the worst...
Posted by: Temper Tantrum at December 18, 2013 04:08 PM (AWmfW)
bomb , bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Iran and
Fight , fight!
unfortunately He didn't fight with us.
Posted by: willow at December 18, 2013 04:09 PM (nqBYe)
Posted by: Fritz at December 18, 2013 04:10 PM (TKFmG)
Posted by: --- at December 18, 2013 04:10 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at December 18, 2013 04:10 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: thunderb at December 18, 2013 04:10 PM (RypJ2)
Posted by: Temper Tantrum at December 18, 2013 08:07 PM (AWmfW)
And that bubble is shrinking daily.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Unexpurgated Edition) at December 18, 2013 04:11 PM (LSDdO)
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at December 18, 2013 04:11 PM (dfYL9)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at December 18, 2013 04:11 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: mc at December 18, 2013 04:11 PM (lrfmC)
Posted by: Joe Biden sinks like stone at December 18, 2013 04:12 PM (R6JT1)
Posted by: President Choad-Load at December 18, 2013 04:12 PM (vHRtU)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at December 18, 2013 04:12 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: thunderb at December 18, 2013 04:12 PM (RypJ2)
It's a family so they may well....
it is always charming that the Glee Mafia can spike a show they are not the main viewers of and I cannot do the same in reverse on LOGO....
why it is almost as though Conservatism would be better served by creating a Conservative version of BET and actually having Conservative entertainment.
Posted by: sven10077 at December 18, 2013 04:12 PM (9jfyN)
The Robertsons are everything liberals hate: http://youtu.be/2TZD8nT6Hlg
Posted by: Country Singer at December 18, 2013 04:12 PM (LUkGY)
Hell, half my ancestors ate the other half. Nothing personal, it was politics.
Who the hell says "get off my yard"? That's the Times, trying to sound American. It's a lawn you get off. They yard goes without saying, since it's defined by the flight distance of a clothyard shaft.
Posted by: Stringer Davis at December 18, 2013 04:13 PM (xq1UY)
same with Romney.
and we would have had media /hellywood, and the left helping .
Posted by: willow at December 18, 2013 04:13 PM (nqBYe)
Posted by: shredded chi at December 18, 2013 04:13 PM (V6E6P)
Posted by: Lauren at December 18, 2013 04:13 PM (hFL/3)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at December 18, 2013 04:13 PM (ZPrif)
I thought the Duck Dynasty was quite tactful in his opinion. If it were me, not so much. I would've expressed my disgust at how silly it was to take seriously people who center their relationship around the penetration of the human male's shit pipe.
Posted by: soothsayer at December 18, 2013 04:14 PM (KeJAW)
Posted by: Naes1984 at December 18, 2013 04:14 PM (zeV2E)
Posted by: thunderb at December 18, 2013 08:12 PM (RypJ2)
What if they say the same thing about gays?
Posted by: Temper Tantrum at December 18, 2013 04:14 PM (AWmfW)
Great idea!
Posted by: Harry from Nevada at December 18, 2013 04:14 PM (+lsX1)
Posted by: Lauren at December 18, 2013 04:14 PM (hFL/3)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at December 18, 2013 04:14 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: President Choad-Load at December 18, 2013 04:15 PM (vHRtU)
Posted by: eman at December 18, 2013 04:16 PM (EWsrI)
Posted by: shredded chi at December 18, 2013 04:16 PM (V6E6P)
Posted by: Andy Sullivan with Bells On! at December 18, 2013 04:17 PM (RJMhd)
You don't get it. It's all about the ad dollar$.
If the sponsors walk, the show is over. Firing the guy might keep the very very cowardly pc-minded sponsors from walking.
Posted by: soothsayer at December 18, 2013 04:17 PM (vzLhi)
Posted by: Ben Had at December 18, 2013 04:17 PM (AyQ43)
Posted by: Lauren at December 18, 2013 04:18 PM (hFL/3)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at December 18, 2013 04:18 PM (ZPrif)
If the sponsors walk, the show is over. Firing the guy might keep the very very cowardly pc-minded sponsors from walking.
Posted by: soothsayer at December 18, 2013 08:17 PM (vzLhi)
Yeah, but the same thing happens if the viewers walk.
Posted by: Country Singer at December 18, 2013 04:18 PM (LUkGY)
Posted by: --- at December 18, 2013 04:18 PM (MMC8r)
Be More beholden to tantrum and salad tossers
Posted by: PBS at December 18, 2013 04:18 PM (R6JT1)
Posted by: Romeo13 at December 18, 2013 04:19 PM (lZBBB)
Posted by: shredded chi at December 18, 2013 04:19 PM (V6E6P)
Posted by: RWC (Vagina Owl from the Future) at December 18, 2013 04:20 PM (Q6HBD)
If, say, Toyota advertises on the show, right now they're getting bombarded by the homosexuals demanding they pull their ads or the no homo will ever buy a Toyota again and Toyota will be declared "anti-gay."
What do you think Toyota will do?
Exactly.
Posted by: soothsayer at December 18, 2013 04:20 PM (052zE)
Posted by: Country Singer at December 18, 2013 04:20 PM (LUkGY)
Posted by: President Choad-Load at December 18, 2013 04:20 PM (vHRtU)
Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at December 18, 2013 04:20 PM (RLTt1)
That's a non sequitur. Substitute "Subaru" for "Toyota" and you have an impact.
Posted by: Country Singer at December 18, 2013 04:22 PM (LUkGY)
Posted by: Naes1984 at December 18, 2013 04:22 PM (zeV2E)
If, say, Toyota advertises on the show, right now they're getting bombarded by the homosexuals demanding they pull their ads or the no homo will ever buy a Toyota again and Toyota will be declared "anti-gay."
What do you think Toyota will do?
Exactly.
Posted by: soothsayer at December 18, 2013 08:20 PM (052zE)
How big is the homo market ?
Posted by: Temper Tantrum at December 18, 2013 04:22 PM (AWmfW)
Posted by: shredded chi at December 18, 2013 04:22 PM (V6E6P)
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Unexpurgated Edition) at December 18, 2013 04:23 PM (LSDdO)
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Unexpurgated Edition) at December 18, 2013 04:23 PM (LSDdO)
98% of the market I guess...
until the right freezes a target and boycotts the everloving fuck out of it we will lose this unilateral war....
Posted by: sven10077 at December 18, 2013 04:24 PM (9jfyN)
Posted by: President Choad-Load at December 18, 2013 04:24 PM (vHRtU)
-M. Python
Posted by: OregonMuse at December 18, 2013 04:24 PM (xm1A1)
That's just begging for a Harry Reid sock but I can't do it.
But serious suggestion, while I was never a little boy, it's a good age for planting things, killing plants that don't belong, harvesting plants, feeding animals (cleaning up after animals)...and cooking things over open flame at the end of the day.
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ drinking heavily at December 18, 2013 04:25 PM (hO8IJ)
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Posted by: shredded chi at December 18, 2013 04:35 PM (V6E6P)
Once a local chief decided he was bored, so he decided he wanted to eat an entire village. And, so, it was done.
Fiji or New Zealand, one or the other, same thing, but pretty sure it was Fiji.
Posted by: Burnt Toast at December 18, 2013 04:40 PM (80R0X)
Posted by: toby928© Texan by birth, Moron by the grace of Ace at December 18, 2013 04:42 PM (QupBk)
I can see David Gregory explaining with live demonstrationswhy ass-rape of little boys should be illegal in DC.
Posted by: Burnt Toast at December 18, 2013 04:45 PM (80R0X)
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Posted by: John McCain at December 18, 2013 04:49 PM (Y92Nd)
Posted by: rickl at December 18, 2013 04:51 PM (sdi6R)
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at December 18, 2013 04:55 PM (Y92Nd)
Still going here?
As I've said in these spaces many times before: McCain's nickname among staff back in the late 80s was "Psycho"; he's not very smart; he's nasty and weird to the point of suggesting serious psychological issues.
The night he clinched the nomination in 2008 was one of the only nights in my life I literally couldn't sleep (I assumed he would crush the ridiculous, preposterous, degrading farce of an opponent he had in the nobody affirmative action mediocrity from Chicago). For mostly different reasons, McCain is as unfit for any serious adult job as is that idiot Obama.
As for foreigners who formerly like to eat each other ...... Ace, this reminds me of one THE most hilarious senatorial quotes of all time. Senator Fritz Hollings, he of the amazing stentorian voice and ante-bellum Southern locution (Foghorn Leghorn, but better), was part of an observers delegation to trade talks in Geneva (Hollings representing the "stop all trade" faction, more or less). Must have been late 80s or early 90s. Fritz was (understandably) upset with the intensive push for yet more concessions to Third World exporters (or something similar), many of which were African countries.
So at a press conference, Fritz makes a comment (and here I paraphrase, but closely): "well, these African leaders all come here, making demands and seeking advantages, but also enjoying all the fine dining and such, instead of staying home and eatin' each other."
No shit. He really said that. There was a story in the WaPo about it with the quotes. Fucking hilarious.
Posted by: non-purist at December 18, 2013 05:05 PM (afQnV)
trivia comment to close out the dead thread: rickl, actually, the Maoris were just as much immigrants to New Zealand as the Brits. NZ historically had no native land mammals (incl. two-legged ones).
Maoris would visit, usually seasonally, to use as a fishing base camp.
No indigenous mammals of course means that imported critters wreak havoc on other species now. Kiwis are endangered not due to habitat destruction but introduction of various varmints - kiwi nests are on the ground, easily accessible to rats or gophers or what have you. Guess the eggs are tasty - you do the math.
So yes NZ was colonized, but had no real human "indigenous" populace to colonize. You might say the Brits just were the dominant immigrants, vs. the Maori immigrants. (of course, in truth, same thing for North America and rest of the "new world" - Native Americans aren't native, and the white-eye was just the best ... therefore last .... conquering empire to rise up here .... ask the Paiute about the Lakota for just one of a zillions of examples of how prior to Euro-immigrant ascendance, what is now the US was the scene of nearly non-stop conquest and competition, slavery and empire - but all this is icky factual history so don't tell your typical cretinous "educated" American about it or they might have a nano-second of critical thought and doubt flash across their brains)
Posted by: non-purist at December 18, 2013 05:16 PM (afQnV)
Posted by: Haiku Guy at December 18, 2013 05:16 PM (KS80J)
Late to the thread.......
During my Army time I worked with the Fijians stationed together in Egypt for a time. To a man, the Fijian soldiers were rock hard muscular, I mean scary hard, like woodpecker lips. Nice folks, professional soldiers, as long as they were sober, and you weren't competing against them in sports. Made the mistake of playing soccer against them once (had a similar experience the one and only time I ever played rugby.......against a team mostly made up of Samoans).
As for the booze, our experience was that Fijian soldiers get really violent when they drink. It was enough of a problem where the NCO club and bars on post banned anyone from the Fijian battalion as an official policy.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 18, 2013 05:32 PM (MBqvE)
Posted by: rickl at December 18, 2013 05:35 PM (sdi6R)
As I've said in these spaces many times before: McCain's nickname among staff back in the late 80s was "Psycho"; he's not very smart; he's nasty and weird to the point of suggesting serious psychological issues.
Posted by: non-purist at December 18, 2013 09:05 PM (afQnV)
Yep. I've long had a pet theory about McCain that he's just an asshole who gets his jollies "sticking it to The Man". Which explains why he was at the bottom of his Annapolis class, always in trouble with the Navy brass during his active service, and is happy to piss on the conservative base now.
I'm absolutely convinced that his bona fide heroism during his POW time had a lot more to do with being a belligerent prick rebelling against the NVA than with a higher sense of honor.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 18, 2013 05:42 PM (MBqvE)
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