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July 08, 2013

John Corzine Off The Hook
— Pixy Misa

After 18 months of investigation, the criminal probe against Jon Corzine has been dropped. He will not be facing criminal charges for the misuse of investors' funds at MF Global. Civil charges have been filed against Corzine.

The Justice DepartmentÂ’s decision to drop the case is sure to come as a relief to Corzine, who has been widely blamed for MFGÂ’s bankruptcy Â— as well as the misuse of some $1.6 billion in customersÂ’ funds.
Last week, Corzine was hit with civil charges by the Commodities Futures Trading Commission in connection with the illegal tapping of the funds, which were improperly co-mingled with the MFGÂ’s house money in the firmÂ’s final days.
The regulator also charged Edith OÂ’Brien, MFGÂ’s former assistant treasurer, for carrying out the illegal transfers in a desperate bid to keep the troubled company afloat.
Both Corzine and OÂ’Brien have denied the allegations.
Criminal investigators, including federal prosecutors and the FBI, have been probing the breach since shortly after it was uncovered with its Halloween 2011 bankruptcy.

*Minor correction made to this article. Apparently Corzine spells his first name without an "H" like Jon Huntsman.

Posted by: Pixy Misa at 07:13 AM | Comments (259)
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1 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 08, 2013 07:15 AM (/PCJa)

2 Nothing to See Here, Just MoveOn

Posted by: Eric Holder's New Yacht at July 08, 2013 07:15 AM (/9IC1)

3 Burn it down. Scatter the stones. Salt the earth where it stood.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 08, 2013 07:15 AM (/PCJa)

4 Yet, somehow, the Republicans are "the Party of Wall Street."

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 08, 2013 07:15 AM (/PCJa)

5 It's good to be a Democrat in this banana republic.

Posted by: fluffy at July 08, 2013 07:15 AM (z9HTb)

6 Justice Department. Yeah , right.

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at July 08, 2013 07:16 AM (l3vZN)

7 The rage is such that I cannot comment.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at July 08, 2013 07:17 AM (XIxXP)

8 Did anyone seriously expect any other outcome?

Posted by: navybrat at July 08, 2013 07:17 AM (tPLfq)

9 Forward. Wow. They don't even try to hide this shit anymore I guess. If only this nation had...well...journalists.

Posted by: [/i][/b][/s]akula_51 at July 08, 2013 07:17 AM (Vgn84)

10 Corzine to take over as SecState when Kerry resigns to spend his dead wife's money some quality time with his family...

Posted by: Drumwaster at July 08, 2013 07:17 AM (aYeLo)

11 Meanwhile, the Youtube guy is still in jail

Ain't it great that America elected a President who would care about people like me and make sure the fat cats on Wall Street got what was coming to them?

Hey, Jay-Z has a new song out!!!

Posted by: kbdabear at July 08, 2013 07:17 AM (/9IC1)

12 This is just good management by Holder. His staff is going to be very busy soon prosecuting Zimmerman for his civil rights violations.

Posted by: SpongeBob ReaverSaget at July 08, 2013 07:17 AM (epxV4)

13 (Insert line-through for 'his dead wife's money' )

Posted by: Drumwaster at July 08, 2013 07:18 AM (aYeLo)

14 It's almost as though you can get away with flagrantly breaking the law if you have the right connections.

Posted by: fluffy at July 08, 2013 07:18 AM (z9HTb)

15 It's good to be the king. Or even a friend of the king.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at July 08, 2013 07:19 AM (U8xBW)

16 Why would there be an "H" in Corzine? You aren't making any sense.

Posted by: DC Zombie at July 08, 2013 07:19 AM (1U7Jo)

17 Used to be in my native state that if you ripped off a lot of money, your final justice wasn't a jail cell, it was a burial plot next to Jimmy Hoffa

Posted by: kbdabear at July 08, 2013 07:19 AM (/9IC1)

18 Shocking to precisely nobody.

Posted by: DocJ at July 08, 2013 07:20 AM (qCk/f)

19 So if I hold up a 7-11, I'll just face a civil trial and maybe have to pay back some of the money? That's good to know.

Posted by: rickl at July 08, 2013 07:20 AM (zoehZ)

20 Hey, whenever we lose a shitload of somebody else's money and the shit hits the fan, we call Jon Corzine for advice!

Posted by: Joey "Plugs" Biden at July 08, 2013 07:21 AM (/9IC1)

21 But who's going to be the next American Idol?

Posted by: assault flounder at July 08, 2013 07:22 AM (Kkt/i)

22 Democratic Financial Bundler and Obama Crony Jon Corzine

Posted by: AoSHQ Stylebook at July 08, 2013 07:22 AM (codCi)

23 Scratch a Democrat, find a Wall Street thief.

Posted by: fluffy at July 08, 2013 07:22 AM (z9HTb)

Ann Barnhardt has some spot on commentary about this on her page she posted July 2nd.

Go if your blood pressure can handle it.

http://barnhardt.biz/

Posted by: Gmac - Pondering the coming implosion at July 08, 2013 07:22 AM (IanLz)

25 FBI + CIA + NSA + DHS + IRS = NKVD (American version).

Posted by: deepred at July 08, 2013 07:22 AM (rUiSC)

26 Now he can run for mayor of New York!

Posted by: wdk535 at July 08, 2013 07:22 AM (Sa0br)

27 20: no, if you become chief exec of a big company and donate a lot of money to the correct causes and then get caught ripping off your clients. You need to go back to school and learn what "justice" means in a modern people's democratic republic.

Posted by: Mallfly at July 08, 2013 07:23 AM (bJm7W)

28 It pays to be a democrat....

it REALLY pays.

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at July 08, 2013 07:23 AM (LRFds)

29 We're *aghast* at all that's happening and we detail it all on these pages and others. We read and write words like "shameful" and "corrupt" regarding some new outrage almost daily. In a fight to the death (which is what we're in), the side that doesn't understand the stakes will always lose. What is "shameful" and "outrageous" to us - is a smiling victory to the Democrats / media complex.

Posted by: fyscyl clyff at July 08, 2013 07:23 AM (Z1/Hr)

30 Raise your hand if you expected Jon Corzine to face criminal charges in this matter. ... ... ... That's what I thought.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 08, 2013 07:24 AM (/PCJa)

31 We love Preznit Awesome because he cares about the 99 percent, not the 1 percent!

Up Twinkles!!!!!

Posted by: Occupoopers at July 08, 2013 07:24 AM (/9IC1)

32 I guess Sarbanes-Oxley didn't apply... Who signed off on the financial statements???? Not guilty, I'd like you to meet your next Secretary of the Treasury.

Posted by: jerry's kid at July 08, 2013 07:24 AM (f9yTl)

33 The H stands for Honor. Jon has none.

Posted by: dfbaskwill at July 08, 2013 07:25 AM (71LDo)

34 Heh.

Andrew Branca, LOSD ‏@LawSelfDefense 3m #zimmermantrial Rumored: State prosecutors claim they were "ambushed", learned only today that GZ would be permitted to present a defense.

Posted by: AoSHQ Stylebook at July 08, 2013 07:25 AM (codCi)

35 in Anthony Burgess's first novel, The Long Day Wanes, there is a Brit sergeant in Burma with a dog named "Cough." When asked what it meant, he'd explain that Cough was the dog's last name.

Get it?

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Posted by: WalrusRex at July 08, 2013 07:25 AM (Hx5uv)

36 WTF!!!??

Posted by: Martha Stewart at July 08, 2013 07:25 AM (epiOF)

37 He's a special snowflake like Huntsman.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at July 08, 2013 07:25 AM (WGVAJ)

38 Andrew Branca, LOSD ‏@LawSelfDefense 3m #zimmermantrial Rumored: State prosecutors claim they were "ambushed", learned only today that GZ would be permitted to present a defense. I know he's read a couple comment threads. What do we do to make Andrew Branca an official Moron? Because that was positively Horde-worthy.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 08, 2013 07:26 AM (/PCJa)

39 dammit

Posted by: toby928© of the sticky socks at July 08, 2013 07:27 AM (codCi)

40 @36. The dog's first name is Fuh.

Posted by: comatus at July 08, 2013 07:27 AM (JNUY4)

41 And the robber of your local 7/11 gets how many years in jail ?

Posted by: Jesse James at July 08, 2013 07:27 AM (e8kgV)

42 Hey, BC, are you around? I got to thinking about "rules for life" this weekend, and wondered if one of yours (I don't do Facebook) was "Life isn't a team sport."

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 08, 2013 07:27 AM (/PCJa)

43 This pisses me off beyond belief. This guy robbed "little guys" blind. He said the money EVAPORATED. I have a feeling some of it reconstituted into a Cayman or Swiss acct. Unreal.

Posted by: 'Ette in training, a striving wanna be at July 08, 2013 07:27 AM (1W1S7)

44 by the way, can anyone think of another NYC Dem with a record as a perv to run for Public Advocate? We should have all the bases covered.

Posted by: Mallfly at July 08, 2013 07:27 AM (bJm7W)

This makes sense.

In New York, stealing a billion of your client's money is fine.

Apparently in Florida, if you say "fucking punks" and "asshole" on the same call you are guilty of murder.

We Be Justice.

Posted by: jwest at July 08, 2013 07:28 AM (u2a4R)

46 And the robber of your local 7/11 gets how many years in jail ? Good question. Is he a poor, misunderstood, black Yute?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 08, 2013 07:28 AM (/PCJa)

47 i see the law no longer applies to the ruling class.

Posted by: Vote Lord Humungus 2016 at July 08, 2013 07:28 AM (HEa5q)

48 Andrew Branca, LOSD ‏@LawSelfDefense 3m #zimmermantrial Rumored: State prosecutors claim they were "ambushed", learned only today that GZ would be permitted to present a defense. Do they need to? I thought the prostitution did a pretty good job of putting on a defense.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 08, 2013 07:28 AM (i252N)

49 Shedding a stylish sock.

Posted by: real joe at July 08, 2013 07:29 AM (epiOF)

50 Do they need to? I thought the prostitution did a pretty good job of putting on a defense. Well, you know, for form's sake... I really don't see how this trial got this far, beyond the fact it's really just a lynching. I wouldn't be surprised if the judge declared a mistrial (requiring re-trial) if he's acquitted.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 08, 2013 07:30 AM (/PCJa)

51 Holder cleared Corzine so that he could appear clean while Schmuckie rubber stamps the nomination for Treasury Secretary.

Of course, Juan McCain and Dondi Rubio will happily vouch for him too

Posted by: kbdabear at July 08, 2013 07:30 AM (/9IC1)

52 Andrew Branca, LOSD ‏@LawSelfDefense 3m #zimmermantrial Rumored: State prosecutors claim they were "ambushed", learned only today that GZ would be permitted to present a defense.

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That racist bastard is trying to defend himself? That's what got him into trouble in the first place!

Posted by: WalrusRex at July 08, 2013 07:30 AM (Hx5uv)

53 HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA *tosses a few bucks on the nightstand*

Posted by: Jon Corzine at July 08, 2013 07:30 AM (V1ZIU)

54 >>Apparently Corzine spells his first name without an "H" like Jon Huntsman. Jon is the Cherokee spelling of John. Apparently Corzine is 1/4959484959573 Cherokee so no charges.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 08, 2013 07:31 AM (g1DWB)

55 Andrew Branca, LOSD @LawSelfDefense

#zimmermantrial MOM: "Difference between how GZ said it, and how BDLR said it?" Little old lady: "GZ didn't say it like a d!ckhead." (joke)

Posted by: Tweety Bird at July 08, 2013 07:32 AM (e8kgV)

56 My friends, you have nothing to fear from a Secretary of the Treasury Corzine.

Posted by: Juan McCain at July 08, 2013 07:32 AM (codCi)

57 RE: Trial

George and the Donnelly's - a friendship forged over snacks.

Posted by: Serious Cat at July 08, 2013 07:32 AM (UypUQ)

58 This decision makes sense. After all, if the government were to uphold the law and prosecute people for wantonly (and probably illegally) pissing away other people's millions of dollars and lying about what they did/knew/allowed, they'd have to start by filing charges against Choom Boy and all of Congress.
Corzine is an absolute friggin' piker compared to President Historic FirstÂ©.

The DoJ and Holder are merely applying the Poppin' Fresh "In Fairness" doctrine.

Posted by: MrScribbler at July 08, 2013 07:32 AM (/RIVS)

59 Of course, Juan McCain and Dondi Rubio will happily vouch for him too My friends, you have nothing to fear from a Secretary of the Treasury Corzine. I see the Horde is having a competition to see who can raise my blood pressure the highest, today.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 08, 2013 07:33 AM (/PCJa)

60 Moral of the story: There are two aspects to being a successful thief: 1. Know the right people, and 2. Don't rob a little, rob a whole bunch.

Posted by: joncelli at July 08, 2013 07:33 AM (RD7QR)

61 Surprise.

Posted by: EC at July 08, 2013 07:34 AM (GQ8sn)

62 >> Apparently Corzine spells his first name without an "H" like Jon Huntsman. Who?

Posted by: Andy at July 08, 2013 07:34 AM (v6mB0)

63 "O'Brien invoked her constitutional right against self-incriminated and refused to answer questions when called to testify. But the CFTC's complaint places the two firmly at the heart of the $41 billion bankruptcy."

The CFTC bundled the charges.

Posted by: mrp at July 08, 2013 07:34 AM (HjPtV)

64 Who said Dondi Rubio? Fucking brilliant!

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at July 08, 2013 07:34 AM (V1ZIU)

65 That self-defense guy rocks. We bat snark back and forth semi-regularly. I kinda thought he already was a moron on the d/l...lol

Posted by: [/i][/b][/s]akula_51 at July 08, 2013 07:35 AM (Vgn84)

66 Was this investigated with the same intensity that the FBI is currently applying to its investigation of the IRS? Were the same man hours devoted?

Posted by: ejo at July 08, 2013 07:35 AM (GXvSO)

67 Corzine is a typical Democrate - either stupid, corrupt or both. My guess, the latter.

Posted by: georgeofthedesert at July 08, 2013 07:35 AM (Eq2MX)

68 The Justice DepartmentÂ’s decision to drop the case... Liberty and justice for all...Democrat donors.

Posted by: t-bird at July 08, 2013 07:35 AM (FcR7P)

69 Wow. The Obama DOJ dropped charges against Obama bundler and Obama crony Jon Corzine. That's a shock.

Posted by: rrpjr at July 08, 2013 07:35 AM (J4Nul)

70 Well, that's a relief. When will we stop harassing these selfless public servants whenever they make a little bitty mistake?

In the Obama world, 1.6 Billion is merely a rounding error, a mistake any one could make, especially a generous Democrat Party donor like Corzine.

This ia all because of low-level underlings doing what they always do, their incompetence should not reflect upon our betters who rightfully make millions from their efforts, and whose reputations should remain unsullied by aspersions cast upon them by people who make much less money than they do, and therefore cannot donate as much to Democrats.

Posted by: West at July 08, 2013 07:35 AM (1Rgee)

71 Of course, Juan McCain and Dondi Rubio will happily vouch for him too Posted by: kbdabear at July 08, 2013 11:30 AM (/9IC1) Oh, I'm sure they got checks.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at July 08, 2013 07:36 AM (XIxXP)

72 Was this investigated with the same intensity that the FBI is currently applying to its investigation of the IRS?

Since the FBI has yet to take a statement from any of the entities complaining of IRS abuse, I'd say that it was.

Posted by: toby928© Red Partisan at July 08, 2013 07:37 AM (codCi)

73 Of course the doj drops the charges they were just waiting for summertime and lots of events to be happening to dump it, wtf did everyone expect from Holder's outfit. GZ trial: Objection your honor this witness has too good a background.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at July 08, 2013 07:38 AM (7mQyC)

74 So taking other people's shit and gambling it away at the track is legal now?

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/u][/s] at July 08, 2013 07:38 AM (6RkVc)

75 Cool. I know his "mistake" took investors for more money than my own theft but can I still get on this gravy train? By the way, Marc Rich and Jon Corzine have one lawyer in common: Eric Holder. I suppose I'll just have to wait for another a President Clinton and then I can finally get out of here.

Posted by: Bernie Madoff at July 08, 2013 07:38 AM (+GpbP)

76 "There is no evidence of criminal wrongdoing."

You mean other than the illegal use of seg funds deliberately removed from customer accounts to cover firm obligations?

Well, gee. That's good to know. I am sure other firms struggling to meet liquidity needs are happy to hear that.

Posted by: Marcus at July 08, 2013 07:38 AM (GGCsk)

77 Objection your honor this witness has too good a background. Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at July 08, 2013 11:38 AM (7mQyC) Yes, lets contrast and compare Mrs. Benjamin to Diamond Eugene.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at July 08, 2013 07:39 AM (XIxXP)

78 Spitzer: Â‘Most Satisfying Thing for Me Ever Is Public ServiceÂ’

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Riiiiiiight. At best, the most satisfying thing they pay you to do and not vice versa.

Posted by: WalrusRex at July 08, 2013 07:39 AM (Hx5uv)

79 RE: Trial

For some reason this testimony about the witnesses Vietnam brings back memories as a kid of going to the Chinese restaurant at the Mall. (Jade Palace).

Posted by: Serious Cat at July 08, 2013 07:40 AM (UypUQ)

80 other firms struggling to meet liquidity needs are happy to hear that.

It only works when you're a huge Obama donor though.

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/u][/s] at July 08, 2013 07:40 AM (6RkVc)

81 ugh....walked into the corner of the open dishwasher door....nice scrape on my shin.....

Posted by: phoenixgirl @phxazgrl at July 08, 2013 07:41 AM (8JJ6O)

82 I'm getting a kick out of watching the Zimmerman trial on MSNBC. You can tell they were looking forward to the white Hispanic taking it in the shorts and things are not working out for them at all. We are in seriously sorry state when an absolute crook like Corzine gets a pass from Obama's DOJ but they go out of their way to try and railroad a guy for acting in self-defense against a young thug simply because he is black.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 08, 2013 07:41 AM (g1DWB)

83 Martha Stewart was only a "Paula Deen" level supporter, not a platinum choom level supporter.

Posted by: AE at July 08, 2013 07:41 AM (NxeQR)

84 Defense calls a real life M.A.S.H. guy to testify for Zim. Brilliant.

Posted by: UWP at July 08, 2013 07:42 AM (r98SZ)

Mitt Romney is rich and mean and hates poor people and wants to ban tampons!!!!

Posted by: Warden at July 08, 2013 07:42 AM (HzhBE)

86 walked into the corner of the open dishwasher door....nice scrape on my shin.. They're vicious when cornered.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 08, 2013 07:42 AM (/PCJa)

I knew it! When I saw the headline last week about the civil complaints, I knew Corzine was going to walk!

Democrats are so corrupt they get away with everything! They cover for each other and there is never accountability!

Posted by: petunia at July 08, 2013 07:42 AM (DAcBA)

88 I assume this guy is gonna say voice is different when people scream for their lives...(like no-sh1t-sherlock) just get to it already... jury has got to be getting tired of this even on the defense side.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at July 08, 2013 07:42 AM (7mQyC)

89 He shacked up with that union official and after a mere two years together, paid her over 6 million when they broke up. He also forgave huge loans he made to her, loans to her relatives, college trust funds for her children, etc. That's quite a hall. I know he was super rich but rich people rarely just hand out cash.

Posted by: waldo at July 08, 2013 07:42 AM (vDjkK)

90 Defense calls a real life M.A.S.H. guy to testify for Zim. Brilliant. Which one? Hawkeye? Honeycut? Father Mulcahey?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 08, 2013 07:43 AM (/PCJa)

Geez, what a fucking, fuckity fucking SUPRISE that no criminal charges are involved. Once again my faith in government is lower than whale shit.

Posted by: Misanthropic humanitarian, now with 50% more sensitiviy at July 08, 2013 07:43 AM (HVff2)

92 >It only works when you're a huge Obama donor though.

Posted by: Purp at July 08, 2013 11:40 AM (6RkVc)<

Gee, this would really test my faith in the CFTC. If I had any.

Selective enforcement has become their mantra. I've seen it a hundred times. This was predictable.

Posted by: Marcus at July 08, 2013 07:43 AM (GGCsk)

93 They're vicious when cornered. Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 08, 2013 11:42 AM (/PCJa) no kidding....maybe i can file for disability....

Posted by: phoenixgirl @phxazgrl at July 08, 2013 07:43 AM (8JJ6O)

94 Martha Stewart was only a "Paula Deen" level supporter, not a platinum choom level supporter.

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Plus she didn't steal enough. Stealing $100,000 is a tragedy. Stealing $1,600,000 is a statistic.

Posted by: WalrusRex at July 08, 2013 07:43 AM (Hx5uv)

95 Another bench request granted for State... sigh could we drag this out any longer boys?

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at July 08, 2013 07:44 AM (7mQyC)

They're vicious when cornered.

*golf clap* Well done.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at July 08, 2013 07:44 AM (0HooB)

97 Alternate Headline: Corrupt Justice Department Absolves Corrupt Crony From Charges Of Corruption, - Case #3219 And Counting.

Posted by: Fritz at July 08, 2013 07:44 AM (UzPAd)

98 They are gonna use him to talk about GZ injuries too I bet plus voices in panic.

Posted by: Thunderb at July 08, 2013 07:44 AM (zOTsN)

99 Who goes to jail is a matter of grace and favor.

Posted by: Chromoly Man at July 08, 2013 07:45 AM (/+EhN)

100 Defense calls a real life M.A.S.H. guy to testify for Zim. Brilliant.

Which one? Hawkeye? Honeycut? Father Mulcahey?

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I hope it's not Henry. He'd be Frank with us and I don't think I could take that.

Posted by: WalrusRex at July 08, 2013 07:45 AM (Hx5uv)

101 > Plus she didn't steal enough. Stealing $100,000 is a tragedy. Stealing $1,600,000 is a statistic. You're missing 3 zeros on the second number.

Posted by: Lemmenkainen, Freelance Warlord at July 08, 2013 07:45 AM (ZWvOb)

102 They're vicious when cornered. Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 08, 2013 11:42 AM (/PCJa) My daughter left a drawer open in the kitchen. I took a corner sharp and caught my hip bone. If I had teeth in my ass I would have ate my pants.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at July 08, 2013 07:45 AM (XIxXP)

103 Jury is thinking: Crap we should have taken the lunch offer. Trayvon's parents just left the courtroom... going to lunch b4 everyone.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at July 08, 2013 07:45 AM (7mQyC)

104 Is the State going to demand a proffer for Donnelly injured screaming men sound like?

Posted by: toby928© Red Partisan at July 08, 2013 07:45 AM (codCi)

105 ugh....walked into the corner of the open dishwasher door....nice scrape on my shin.....

Posted by: phoenixgirl @phxazgrl at July 08, 2013 11:41 AM (8JJ6O)

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The REAL reason women have smaller feet than men.

They evolved that way so women can stand closer to the kitchen sink..... or dishwasher.

Posted by: that surly waitres at TGIF at July 08, 2013 07:46 AM (nELVU)

106 If you had teeth in your ass you'd be FLOTUS.

Posted by: Thunderb at July 08, 2013 07:46 AM (zOTsN)

107 If I am a securities lawyer, right now I am scouring over this investigation and making notes.

It's a whole new defense lollapalooza for clients accused of securities fraud and regulatory violation.

I'll call it the Magic Seg Funds Defense.

The funds just...moved out of seg.

Gee, how'd that happen?

I don't know- magic?

Posted by: Marcus at July 08, 2013 07:46 AM (GGCsk)

108 frackin sock.....

Posted by: fixerupper at July 08, 2013 07:47 AM (nELVU)

109 And people think Holder and Obama will be constrained by the 22 Amendment when they blatantly ignore the rest of the Constitution.

What, exactly, in their behavior causes you to believe that?

Ask Nakoula about their regard for the first amendment. And yes it was a parole violation - of course his parole required him to check into a government web site while staying off the Internet.

That parole was kind of like exiting from a Freeway in Texas; the minimum speed on the Freeway is 45, the maximum speed on an exit ramp is 35.

Posted by: [/i] [/b] [/u] [/s] An Observation at July 08, 2013 07:47 AM (ylhEn)

110 Who goes to jail is a matter of grace and favor. Posted by: Chromoly Man at July 08, 2013 11:45 AM (/+EhN) All part of the neo-fuedalism. All this "Socialism" stuff is really just a vehicle for the New Aristocracy to ride back into town.

Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at July 08, 2013 07:47 AM (bb5+k)

111 Trayvon's parents just left the courtroom... going to lunch b4 everyone.

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What do you think? Is the Trayvon trademark going to be more valuable with a conviction or an acquittal?

Posted by: WalrusRex at July 08, 2013 07:48 AM (Hx5uv)

112 Conservatives who never conserve anything will still agree that people who have committed "hate speech" or some such should pay the penalty. Because: the impartial majesty of the law.

Posted by: Chromoly Man at July 08, 2013 07:48 AM (/+EhN)

113 So certain 'rons and 'ettes dislike spiders. What about cute grasshoppers? http://tinyurl.com/m25cze7

Posted by: RWC at July 08, 2013 07:48 AM (fWAjv)

114
Another bench request granted for State... sigh could we drag this out any longer boys?

Prosecution: Your honor, the defense is making me look like a drooling idiot.

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at July 08, 2013 07:48 AM (0IhFx)

115 The Zimmerman Judge may not be as stupid and bigoted as she looks, but it's a very close call.

Posted by: rrpjr at July 08, 2013 07:49 AM (J4Nul)

116 Come on you guys. The money disappeared during a boating accident.

Posted by: Former Sen Jon Corzine at July 08, 2013 07:49 AM (qwK3S)

117

See it was just paper transactions and investments that were fraudualently manipulated . If it were that evil oil and gas energy fraud then the FBI and press would have been all over it.

Posted by: polynikes at July 08, 2013 07:49 AM (m2CN7)

118 Did you know in all PC Matic commercials say PCMatic 17 times. Ugh

Posted by: Thunderb at July 08, 2013 07:49 AM (zOTsN)

119 What do you think? Is the Trayvon trademark going to be more valuable with a conviction or an acquittal? Posted by: WalrusRex at July 08, 2013 11:48 AM (Hx5uv) Aquital. Definitly. A new cause for the illiterate, drunk and drugged out. If they just had more money, none of this would happen. Oh yeah. Whitey and Latino whitey and oriental whitey are evil.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at July 08, 2013 07:50 AM (XIxXP)

120 119 - I sooo can't fking stand those PCmatic commercials!!

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at July 08, 2013 07:50 AM (7mQyC)

121 This guy is good.

Posted by: Thunderb at July 08, 2013 07:51 AM (zOTsN)

122 And people think Holder and Obama will be constrained by the 22 Amendment when they blatantly ignore the rest of the Constitution.

I fear many things with this crowd, but getting on the ballot for a third term isn't one of them, unless you think that that the Republican majority state governments would just roll over for that.

Posted by: toby928© Red Partisan at July 08, 2013 07:51 AM (codCi)

123 119 - I sooo can't fking stand those PCmatic commercials!! Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at July 08, 2013 11:50 AM (7mQyC) Yeah, but you know the dumb blonde can be had with an eightball and the promise of a sit com roll.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at July 08, 2013 07:51 AM (XIxXP)

124 Good luck crossing this guy.

Posted by: Thunderb at July 08, 2013 07:51 AM (zOTsN)

125 Prosecution: Your honor, the defense is making me look like a drooling idiot. Defense: Your honor, we are doing no such thing. We're merely sitting back and allowing the Prosecution to do so. That's like my line whenever someone says I'm making fun of them, "I don't make the fun. I merely point it out."

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 08, 2013 07:52 AM (/PCJa)

126 This guy is good. Anything earth-shattering?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 08, 2013 07:52 AM (/PCJa)

127 nailed it! And a wipe two tears. This isn't good for the prosecution. Jury full-o-women.

Posted by: UWP at July 08, 2013 07:52 AM (r98SZ)

128 The prosecutor better be careful with this witness.

Posted by: Thunderb at July 08, 2013 07:52 AM (zOTsN)

129 War hero vs Gov Mouthpiece. Should be good.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at July 08, 2013 07:53 AM (XIxXP)

130 Quality snark

Andrew Branca, LOSD2 ‏@LawSelfDefense2 2m #zimmermantrial The good thng is if BDLR barks at THIS witness, witness can treat the resultant injuries.

Posted by: toby928© Red Partisan at July 08, 2013 07:54 AM (codCi)

131 122 - The tears are such a nice touch... frankly a juror though is testimony about the call means nothing much to me , the character stuff does help fill in gaps about the general character of the defendant even if I know it's admittedly biased.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at July 08, 2013 07:54 AM (7mQyC)

132 Martin trial summary in a sentence; overzealous cop wanna-be over-zealously, against police direction, pursues not-so-model-citizen, who unwisely jumps his pursuer and pummels him until being shot.

The rest is drama, politics, lies, deceitful opportunism and abject stupidity.

Tragic? Yes.

Criminal? No.

And I feel sorry for his parents who lost their child. I also feel sorry for Zimmerman as killing another person wears on your soul.

Posted by: Marcus at July 08, 2013 07:54 AM (GGCsk)

133 If you're going to talk about the trial, please provide context. Some of us would like to follow it, but can't for various reasons. (Yes, I earlier said I almost don't care about the Defense- that doesn't mean I don't want to see it if it's done well).

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 08, 2013 07:55 AM (/PCJa)

134 "Anything earth-shattering?' --- Not so much just great actor.... or real emotion with memories of death scream from lost friends. *shurgs*

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at July 08, 2013 07:56 AM (7mQyC)

135 Did you know in all PC Matic commercials say PCMatic 17 times. Ugh Posted by: Thunderb
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Much as the JEF repeats 'I' in his 'speeches'.

Posted by: Kay Hagan at July 08, 2013 07:56 AM (aDwsi)

136 134- Noted.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at July 08, 2013 07:56 AM (7mQyC)

137 Martin trial summary in a sentence; overzealous cop wanna-be over-zealously, against police direction, pursues not-so-model-citizen, who unwisely jumps his pursuer and pummels him until being shot. The first half is wrong. That is all.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 08, 2013 07:56 AM (/PCJa)

138 Andrew Branca, LOSD2 ‏@LawSelfDefense2 2m #zimmermantrial The good thng is if BDLR barks at THIS witness, witness can treat the resultant injuries.

Posted by: toby928Â© Red Partisan at July 08, 2013 11:54 AM (codCi)

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And then there's the stunningly stupid post....

Diana Tennis @ tennis law

After Vietnam this is distressing? To that personal part of his heart I guess. Where did they get these emo guys?

.....bitch

Posted by: fixerupper at July 08, 2013 07:56 AM (nELVU)

139 And I feel sorry for his parents who lost their child. I also feel sorry for Zimmerman as killing another person wears on your soul.

***

Particularly since Zimmerman's options now are to get shanked in prison or get shanked on the street.

Posted by: WalrusRex at July 08, 2013 07:56 AM (Hx5uv)

140 FBI + CIA + NSA + DHS + IRS = NKVD (American version) Math is inexorable.

Posted by: George Orwell in his cups at July 08, 2013 07:57 AM (mCNwt)

141 Math is inexorable. You misspelled "raaaaacist."

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 08, 2013 07:58 AM (/PCJa)

142 Martin trial summary in a sentence; overzealous cop wanna-be over-zealously, against police direction, pursues not-so-model-citizen, who unwisely jumps his pursuer and pummels him until being shot. I would have done what George Martin did. Does that make me like him? The only difference is I would have done some things differently to ensure the perp was dangerous.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at July 08, 2013 07:58 AM (XIxXP)

143 Martin trial summary in a sentence; overzealous cop wanna-be over-zealously, against police direction
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He was not 'directed' to not follow Martin, nor do the police (much less a dispatcher) have the authority to forbid that.

Posted by: Kay Hagan at July 08, 2013 07:58 AM (aDwsi)

144 The prosecution is playing a snibbit!

Everybody drink.

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at July 08, 2013 07:58 AM (0IhFx)

145 I fear many things with this crowd, but getting on the ballot for a third term isn't one of them, unless you think that that the Republican majority state governments would just roll over for that.

What are they going to do? Impeach him? Put a letter of Reprimand in his permanent record? Put him on double secret probation? Disbar him? Oh wait - he already surrendered his law license to avoid that.

Do you think that a 22nd amendment violation isn't on the table - after all - they've managed to violate all of the others; why break the string.

Posted by: [/i] [/b] [/u] [/s] An Observation at July 08, 2013 07:58 AM (ylhEn)

146 Be afraid. Be very afraid. Obama is going to lay out his vision of "smarter government."

Posted by: WalrusRex at July 08, 2013 07:58 AM (Hx5uv)

147 I love Eric Holder! I hope I can show my love for Eric with some hot cornhole love!

Posted by: Barney F. at July 08, 2013 07:58 AM (m5Tr1)

148 Particularly since Zimmerman's options now are to get shanked in prison or get shanked on the street.

Posted by: WalrusRex at July 08, 2013 11:56 AM (Hx5uv)

If acquitted, Zimmerman should move to Wyoming or Montanna, where there are no streets.

Posted by: Serious Cat at July 08, 2013 07:59 AM (UypUQ)

149 Treat him like my son. Fucking OUCH!

Posted by: RWC at July 08, 2013 07:59 AM (fWAjv)

150 >The first half is wrong. That is all.<

By just about every standard for a non-LEO type, he was over-zealous. Period.

That is all.

Posted by: Marcus at July 08, 2013 07:59 AM (GGCsk)

151 What are they going to do? Refuse to put him on State ballots. If you can't even run in 23 States, there is no way you'll win the election.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 08, 2013 07:59 AM (/PCJa)

152 Has anyone seen the video of the kid at the traffic stop in Tennessee?

Posted by: Kay Hagan at July 08, 2013 07:59 AM (aDwsi)

153

So now, instead of actually carrying around a get out of jail free card, all one needs to do is be registered as a democrat bundler.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at July 08, 2013 08:00 AM (qx7YW)

154

If evaporating $1,600,000,000.00 in farmers money is not a crime anymore, we are in for some real lawlessness from our political ruling class - term limits anyone?

Posted by: henry hotlove at July 08, 2013 08:00 AM (PsVX0)

155 By just about every standard for a non-LEO type, he was over-zealous. Period. That is all. Posted by: Marcus at July 08, 2013 11:59 AM (GGCsk) Yeah, him and that Richard Jewell.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at July 08, 2013 08:00 AM (XIxXP)

156 If I had teeth in my ass I would have ate my pants.
Every proctologist's nightmare.

Posted by: fluffy at July 08, 2013 08:00 AM (z9HTb)

157 all one needs to do is be registered as a democrat bundler.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at July 08, 2013 12:00 PM (qx7YW)

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Or Black Panther Party member....

Posted by: fixerupper at July 08, 2013 08:01 AM (nELVU)

158 Haters.

Posted by: New Black Panter at July 08, 2013 08:01 AM (lGVXf)

159 >>What are they going to do? Impeach him? Put a letter of Reprimand in his permanent record? Put him on double secret probation? Disbar him? Oh wait - he already surrendered his law license to avoid that. How about not put him on the ballot? Do you really think states like Texas or Wyoming would agree to put him on the ballot cause I sure as hell don't. And if they don't, what would Obama do, sue Texas? Yeah, good luck with that one. Besides, Obama's approval is sinking through the floor and thats before Obamacare really hits people's wallets.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 08, 2013 08:01 AM (g1DWB)

160 By just about every standard for a non-LEO type, he was over-zealous. Period.

That is all.
Posted by: Marcus at July 08, 2013 11:59 AM (GGCsk)

You're truly special, aren't you.

Hell the police have even said that what he did is exactly what someone in a neighborhood watch should do.

But again, you have specialness.

Posted by: GMan at July 08, 2013 08:01 AM (sxq57)

161 So, are all your 401k's feeling as safe as they used to?

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/u][/s] at July 08, 2013 08:01 AM (6RkVc)

162 So, are all your 401k's feeling as safe as they used to? Posted by: Purp at July 08, 2013 12:01 PM (6RkVc) Pulled it a long time ago.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at July 08, 2013 08:02 AM (XIxXP)

163 He listened to the best recording of the screams. Said based on his knowledge of GZ, and knowing what panic and pain do to the voice he had no doubt it was GZ. And he wept a little and said he wished he didn't know what those screams are like

Posted by: Thunderb at July 08, 2013 08:03 AM (zOTsN)

164 So ~~now~~ , instead of actually carrying around a get out of jail free card, all one needs to do is be registered as a democrat bundler. Posted by: Vashta Nerada
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FIFY
See: Marc Rich

Posted by: Kay Hagan at July 08, 2013 08:03 AM (aDwsi)

165 Any chance that after this trial Zimmerman has to shoot another person in self defense and we have to repeat this fking process again?

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at July 08, 2013 08:03 AM (7mQyC)

166 Posted by: JackStraw at July 08, 2013 12:01 PM (g1DWB)

Exactly my thought. No way he gets on the ballot in half the states.

Posted by: toby928© Red Partisan at July 08, 2013 08:03 AM (codCi)

167 "...overzealous cop wanna-be over-zealously, against police direction, pursues not-so-model-citizen, who unwisely jumps his pursuer and pummels him until being shot.

The rest is drama, politics, lies, deceitful opportunism and abject stupidity..."

Posted by: Marcus at July 08, 2013 11:54 AM (GGCsk)

I made nearly the same argument. It wasn't well-received. Anything less than Zimmerman as hero and Martin as murderous thug runs counter to the conservative narrative, which evidently requires the same lockstep adherence to conformity on our side of things as the St. Trayvon narrative constructed by the race-hustling Left.

Posted by: troyriser at July 08, 2013 08:04 AM (vtiE6)

168 >>>So, are all your 401k's feeling as safe as they used to?<<<

You better recognize.

Posted by: Formerly Fritz's CA HSA at July 08, 2013 08:04 AM (UzPAd)

169 I don't think shit-for-brains wants a third term. He can be retired with almost all the perks he has now, play golf and cornhole Tingles every day.

Posted by: real joe at July 08, 2013 08:05 AM (epiOF)

170 So I didn't buy John Corzine's car???

Posted by: george costanza at July 08, 2013 08:05 AM (9+vDU)

171

I'm shocked that there is gambling in this establishment.

Posted by: Inspector Renault at July 08, 2013 08:05 AM (HBAcW)

172 Dumb ass prosecutor is only underscoring his testimony

Posted by: Thunderb at July 08, 2013 08:05 AM (zOTsN)

173 I wonder how big the check he cut to OFA was for the DoJ to stop prosecution?

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Pirate Scum of Umbar at July 08, 2013 08:06 AM (hLRSq)

174 "Zimmerman as hero" --- I don't think he's a "hero" for his actions that night... perhaps though for having to put up with (quite well I might add) having his life destroyed by the resulting BS prosecution, death threats and media feeding frenzy.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at July 08, 2013 08:06 AM (7mQyC)

175 You're truly special, aren't you.

Posted by: GMan at July 08, 2013 12:01 PM (sxq57)

Like I said.

Posted by: troyriser at July 08, 2013 08:06 AM (vtiE6)

176 Posted by: troyriser at July 08, 2013 12:04 PM (vtiE6) It's about innocence and guilt. The evidence provided shows Mr. Zimmerman acted withing the law.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at July 08, 2013 08:07 AM (XIxXP)

177 We really are still in the age of kings and nobles, vassals and serfs. We just have these fig leafy things called "elections," where a debased people, voting amidst widespread fraud, get to beg the lords and ladies to tinker around the edges. Meanwhile the vast network of unelected feudal bureaucrats and monied nobles highly connected to the crown-of-the-four-year-term conduct their business unfettered by quaint notions of "equality before the law."

Posted by: George Orwell in his cups at July 08, 2013 08:07 AM (mCNwt)

178 Anything less than Zimmerman as hero and Martin as murderous thug runs counter to the conservative narrative, which evidently requires the same lockstep adherence to conformity on our side of things as the St. Trayvon narrative constructed by the race-hustling Left.

You should just accept that pretty much no one here agrees with your position.

Posted by: toby928© Red Partisan at July 08, 2013 08:07 AM (codCi)

179 If you, or your neighbors, get burglarized, and your attitude shifts. Having some family heirlooms damaged, or stolen to be traded off at a crack house changes ones perspective considerably. Ultimately, all criminals are thieves of one sort or another.

Posted by: Kay Hagan at July 08, 2013 08:07 AM (aDwsi)

180 GZ isn't a hero, but I do think it was self defense

Posted by: Thunderb at July 08, 2013 08:07 AM (zOTsN)

181 I made nearlythe sameargument. It wasn't well-received.

That's only because your retarded theory doesn't fit the timeline and physical movements of the participants...you know...the facts.

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/u][/s] at July 08, 2013 08:07 AM (6RkVc)

182 Troy,

We *know* you've been dropped on your head a few times.

Posted by: GMan at July 08, 2013 08:08 AM (sxq57)

183 Ugh..., off with filthy Kay Hagan(D) sock

Posted by: Mike Hammer at July 08, 2013 08:08 AM (aDwsi)

184 So what other companies are run by Democrat bundlers that are just waiting to "invest" your money for you?

Posted by: CDR M at July 08, 2013 08:08 AM (BuYeH)

185 Ugh..., off with filthy Kay Hagan(D) sock Posted by: Mike Hammer at July 08, 2013 12:08 PM (aDwsi) Goodness, thank you.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at July 08, 2013 08:08 AM (XIxXP)

186 We *know* you've been dropped on your head a few times.

Heh. The Bless-your-heart gambit.

Posted by: toby928© Red Partisan at July 08, 2013 08:08 AM (codCi)

187 If only Jon Corzine would sleep with hookers or tweet his penis, he could have a bright new media career on CNN.

Posted by: George Orwell in his cups at July 08, 2013 08:08 AM (mCNwt)

188 The evidence shows Trayvon doubled back, attacked Z and was bashing his head into the concrete.
What else should Z have done?

Posted by: real joe at July 08, 2013 08:08 AM (epiOF)

189 I don't think he's a "hero" for his actions that night... perhaps though for having to put up with (quite well I might add) having his life destroyed by the resulting BS prosecution, death threats and media feeding frenzy.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at July 08, 2013 12:06 PM (7mQyC)

Yes, whatever errors in judgment Zimmerman might've made that night, he's paid for them. His trial has been a travesty.

Posted by: troyriser at July 08, 2013 08:08 AM (vtiE6)

190 Prosecutor fucked up. Never ask a question you don't know the answer to.

Posted by: Thunderb at July 08, 2013 08:09 AM (zOTsN)

191 Are you following him?

Yes.

We don't need you to do that.

OK.
*******
It's Neighborhood Watch. Not Neighborhood pursuit and engage.

Like I said. This was the result of stupidity and tragic. But it's not criminal and Zimmerman should rightly walk. In fact, he should be compensated.

Posted by: Marcus at July 08, 2013 08:09 AM (GGCsk)

192 We really are still in the age of kings and nobles, vassals and serfs. We just have these fig leafy things called "elections,"
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Were the media unbiased and comprehensive in their reporting, the electoral process would work fine.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at July 08, 2013 08:10 AM (aDwsi)

193 What else should Z have done?

***

Lie back and think of diversity.

Posted by: WalrusRex at July 08, 2013 08:10 AM (Hx5uv)

194 What else should Z have done?

Posted by: real joe at July 08, 2013 12:08 PM (epiOF)

Wear a helmet.

Posted by: CDR M at July 08, 2013 08:10 AM (cqZXM)

195 Pulled it a long time ago.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at July 08, 2013 12:02 PM (XIxXP)

OSP, if you don't mind my asking, what did you do with it? Is it under the mattress?

Posted by: real joe at July 08, 2013 08:10 AM (epiOF)

196 Hmm.

You'd think there's a story there, about the pensioner who had all their money stolen by this guy.

Anyway, did a lot of traveling over the last week, all around DC.
The system now is so brutally effective at keeping us all in the pot.
So many people doing so much just to make a few dollars. Then the others, doing nothing, waiting for someone else's money.

And our self-appointed rulers seem to think it will stay that way.

I don't think so.

The direction of the change will be unexpected.

My long-shot bet is technology. Akin to the revolution brought by the interchangeable parts on guns or the automobile--something that will give the common man access to tools to build his own future.

Posted by: RoyalOil at July 08, 2013 08:10 AM (VjL9S)

197 Trial Update: Whisper, whisper.....

Posted by: Mike Hammer at July 08, 2013 08:10 AM (aDwsi)

198 It's Neighborhood Watch. Not Neighborhood pursuit and engage.

No one has testified that Jorge sought to engage the tough. You can't steal second base like that.

Posted by: toby928© Red Partisan at July 08, 2013 08:10 AM (codCi)

199 Prosecutor fucked up. Never ask a question you don't know the answer to.

***

?

Posted by: WalrusRex at July 08, 2013 08:10 AM (Hx5uv)

200 Posted by: Marcus at July 08, 2013 12:09 PM (GGCsk) It's difficult being a contrarian.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at July 08, 2013 08:11 AM (XIxXP)

201 Were the media unbiased and comprehensive "Media" translates today as "official court minstrels and composers of panegyrics to the crown."

Posted by: George Orwell in his cups at July 08, 2013 08:11 AM (mCNwt)

202

The flip side is the new rule, "Never invest your money with a big Dem donor."

Seems a good rule to shout to the masses. Kinda like never by company bonds in a heavily unionized company, like GM.

Posted by: Invictus at July 08, 2013 08:11 AM (OQpzc)

203 >>>What else should Z have done?

Ordered a code red.

Posted by: Fritz at July 08, 2013 08:11 AM (UzPAd)

204 The defense is trying to get a computer re-enactment admitted.

Posted by: waldo at July 08, 2013 08:12 AM (vDjkK)

205 We don't need you to do that.

That's an observation, not a direct command

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/u][/s] at July 08, 2013 08:12 AM (6RkVc)

206 The defense is trying to get a computer re-enactment admitted.

Please please be Taiwanese.

Posted by: toby928© Red Partisan at July 08, 2013 08:12 AM (codCi)

207 Marcus, did you miss the evidence that Martin got home safe but decided to come back and attack Z? At that point, Z was not pursuing him.

Posted by: real joe at July 08, 2013 08:12 AM (epiOF)

208 OSP, if you don't mind my asking, what did you do with it? Is it under the mattress? Posted by: real joe at July 08, 2013 12:10 PM (epiOF) Real estate, it's cheap. Precious metals, bought gold at $895 and silver at $17. Money market, Certificates of deposit. It's everywhere.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at July 08, 2013 08:13 AM (XIxXP)

209

Nood.

Crackas!

Posted by: Barack Hussein Obama at July 08, 2013 08:13 AM (ggRof)

210 20 years ago my sister was living in LA, walking to her car, wearing earbuds. She didn't hear the guy run up behind her. He mugged her, and shot her in the hand. When police came she asked what should she do? Should she take a self defense class? They told her to get a gun.

Posted by: Thunderb at July 08, 2013 08:14 AM (zOTsN)

211 Marcus & Troy: Why do you feel compelled to lie about the facts of the case (facts which are readily ascertainable) to support your "case"?

Posted by: Frito Plover, Esq. at July 08, 2013 08:14 AM (UsR5V)

212
Customer: I'll wash the car before bring it in.

Mechanic: We don't need you to do that.

See the difference between a command and an observation?

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/u][/s] at July 08, 2013 08:16 AM (6RkVc)

213 Prosecutor asked Vietnam vet witness whose idea was it for him to listen to the tape. He replied "mine". Oops. That's a fuck up.

Posted by: Thunderb at July 08, 2013 08:16 AM (zOTsN)

214 117 Come on you guys. The money disappeared during a boating accident.

Posted by: Former Sen Jon Corzine at July 08, 2013 11:49 AM (qwK3S)

That was no boating accident!

Posted by: Matt Hooper at July 08, 2013 08:17 AM (LTbLf)

215 ...Did anyone seriously expect any other outcome?

You mean something along the lines of "Justice"?

Naaa, not really.

Posted by: Paladin at July 08, 2013 08:17 AM (WujO7)

216 I would think an ad showing that the only difference between Corzine and Madoff is democrat political connections would make for a nice mid-term ad. Sadly, the LIVs probably don't even know who Corzine or Madoff are.

Posted by: CDR M at July 08, 2013 08:17 AM (JSetw)

217 It's everywhere.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at July 08, 2013 12:13 PM (XIxXP)

OK thanks. I have been thinking, if it all goes kablooey, such that the blue chips and mutual funds become worthless, ammo and Spam will be the most valuable commodities to have.

Posted by: real joe at July 08, 2013 08:17 AM (epiOF)

218 I wish I could get like, $30,000 and I could solve so many of my issues. If I stole it I'd go to prison. These people steal in the billions and never get punished.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at July 08, 2013 08:18 AM (P7hip)

219 We don't need you to do that.

That's an observation, not a direct command
Posted by: Purp
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True. It must be borne in mind that Martin was on private property. Even if a sworn officer had 'ordered' Zimmerman not follow or speak to the guy, they would have had no authority to do so. I rather doubt they would have that authority even on public property.

What the dispatcher said is of no bearing whatsoever.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at July 08, 2013 08:19 AM (aDwsi)

220 Any chance that after this trial Zimmerman has to shoot another person in self defense and we have to repeat this fking process again? Pretty good one. It's Neighborhood Watch. Not Neighborhood pursuit and engage. You're either missing (or ignoring) two important facts. 1) When told "We don't need you to do that" he stopped following. He stayed in the approximate area where he was, and checked house numbers (really apartment numbers, based on the images I've seen of the "neighborhood") to help guide police to the correct location. 2) There's pretty good evidence that Martin got all the way home (or at least got away "clean") and then returned to start the confrontation. So- thinking he would be helping the cops, he got out of his truck to see where the suspicious person had gone. When told not to- he stopped. The only argument you can make is that he shouldn't have gotten out of the car at all ("Don't Engage!!!") which is ridiculous. Certainly it did turn out badly, but there's no reason (beforehand) that he should have assumed it would. The only one guilty of "bad judgement" here is dead.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 08, 2013 08:19 AM (/PCJa)

221 OK thanks. I have been thinking, if it all goes kablooey, such that the blue chips and mutual funds become worthless, ammo and Spam will be the most valuable commodities to have. Posted by: real joe at July 08, 2013 12:17 PM (epiOF) I don't talk about certain investments.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at July 08, 2013 08:19 AM (XIxXP)

222 We *know* you've been dropped on your head a few times.

Posted by: GMan at July 08, 2013 12:08 PM (sxq57)

You know exactly jack about me. I've taken shit unlimited for not thinking this was a cut-and-dried instance of 2nd Amendment-based self-defense. I could be wrong, but if I am, it hasn't been proven in reasoned debate. Instead, you and your like-minded pals--supposedly conservatives--have gone straight for the ad hominem without passing go.

I comment on this and a few other blogs to feed my inner political junkie, sharpen my reasoning skills, clarify my beliefs, and to put my ideas to the test. I don't buck the majority to play contrarian. Let the Devil be his own advocate. However, one of the major distinctions between ourselves and the Left is our willingness to hash things out, to allow for dissent in debate. Haven't seen much of that here, not on this issue.

Posted by: troyriser at July 08, 2013 08:19 AM (vtiE6)

223 First off, if you decide to be on the neighborhood watch, I'm pretty sure you can do whatever you want to do within the law. Just because you go to some class, and listen to a cop tell you "how" you should act, that is only advice. For instance, if at the class I was told that I shouldn't bring a concealed weapon, my answer would be, "but I will, because I can". If the teacher doesn't like that answer, too bad.

Posted by: UWP at July 08, 2013 08:20 AM (r98SZ)

224 We're political junkies - we know about the 22nd Amendment - the LIVs don't know and don't care. The media has to tell them about it; and the media isn't going to say a word.

That is exactly how the Democrats will get away with it.

When Gov Perry and the rest try to talk about it their voices won't be heard.

Perhaps Republican Presidential nominee Rubio will say something? Just like President Bush said something about Kerry's Hero of Communist Victory citation during the 2004 campaign. Oh wait, no he didn't - evidently he didn't think that the fact that his opponent was a certified Communist Hero was something the American people would care about.

Chief Justus Roberts will call it a Poll Tax and the rest of us can just rage impotently.

Posted by: [/i] [/b] [/u] [/s] An Observation at July 08, 2013 08:20 AM (ylhEn)

225 walking to her car, wearing earbuds.

That a tip off that you're not situationally aware...a major criteria in passing the perp's "interview".

Every robber interviews their victims. If your awareness is heightened, gait confident and assured, you'll fail the interview. There's lot of other candidates who will pass.

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/u][/s] at July 08, 2013 08:21 AM (6RkVc)

226 Haven't seen much of that here, not on this issue. Posted by: troyriser at July 08, 2013 12:19 PM (vtiE6) I know, right?

Posted by: OJ simpson. at July 08, 2013 08:21 AM (XIxXP)

227

Posted by: Matt Hooper at July 08, 2013 12:17 PM (LTbLf)

That was no boat.

Posted by: Zombie Teddy Kennedy at July 08, 2013 08:22 AM (HBAcW)

228 sharpen my reasoning skills

Not pimping bullshit theories that don't match physical evidence might be a good place to start with that...

...just saying.

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/u][/s] at July 08, 2013 08:23 AM (6RkVc)

229

219I would think an ad showing that the only difference between Corzine and Madoff is democrat political connections would make for a nice mid-term ad. Sadly, the LIVs probably don't even know who Corzine or Madoff are.

The difference is which tribe lost money. Don't steal from the Chosen - life gets hard.

Posted by: Dats Retarded at July 08, 2013 08:23 AM (oDCMR)

230 I made nearlythe sameargument. It wasn't well-received. Anything less than Zimmerman as hero and Martin as murderous thug runs counter to the conservative narrative, which evidently requires the same lockstep adherence to conformity on our side of things as the St. Trayvon narrative constructed by the race-hustling Left.

Posted by: troyriser at July 08, 2013 12:04 PM (vtiE6)

I'm no cop wannabe. Far from it but I have approached people in my 'gated' community that were unrecognizable and appear to be out of place and inquired as to whether I could help them. If attacked I would have used what force I had to stop the attack. Zimmerman was neither a hero or a predator but simply an upstanding citizen who was watching out for his neighbors and neighborhood. Those type people should be defended strongly against those that would suggest otherwise. Your postion is not well received because you have basically framed people here the same as you have framed Zimmerman since they would have done the same thing.

Posted by: polynikes at July 08, 2013 08:25 AM (m2CN7)

231 That is exactly how the Democrats will get away with it.

How exactly will the Democrats get Obama's name on the ballot in Alabama?

Posted by: toby928© Red Partisan at July 08, 2013 08:26 AM (codCi)

232 Your postion is not well received because you have basically framed people here the same as you have framed Zimmerman since they would have done the same thing.

This. I reserve the right to walk my own neighborhood without being curbed stomped by transient thugs.

Posted by: toby928© Red Partisan at July 08, 2013 08:29 AM (codCi)

233 "What else should Z have done?" --- I don't think I would have done too much differently (other then I might have drawn my gun before even heading into the dark area) - except lawyer the fk up after hitting the station house (or at least the following day) even if I thought it would make me look more guilty. There is no question what so ever in my mind at all that at the time of the shot GZ was in reasonable fear for his life, case closed for self-defense in FL. All the rest is fluff painting the overall picture, and even most of the fluff points against the State's charges.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at July 08, 2013 08:31 AM (7mQyC)

234 225

You know exactly jack about me. I've taken shit unlimited for not thinking this was a cut-and-dried instance of 2nd Amendment-based self-defense.I could be wrong, but if I am, it hasn't been proven in reasoned debate.Instead, you and your like-minded pals--supposedly conservatives--have gone straight for the ad hominem without passing go.

Posted by: troyriser at July 08, 2013 12:19 PM (vtiE6)

Considering that you repeatedly have stated the facts wrong in the case during these "reasoned debates," it's not shocking that you don't think you've been proven wrong, as if you would ever admit it anyway. You're obviously free to think whatever you want about this case, but you're the one who should be called "supposedly conservative." After all, you came to a conclusion about the case without even knowing all the facts and have since then stuck to the same opinion of the case even though you've had to concede much of what you knew about it was simply wrong.

People have overanalyzed this case to death but it's pretty obvious that Zimmerman didn't target Trayvon to inflict bodily harm on him but targeted Trayvon because he was acting suspicious enough in an area that had experienced robberies. It's also obvious that Trayvon was the clear aggressor in regards to the physical confrontation and Trayvon caused injuries to Zimmerman that were serious enough to warrant Zimmerman's response, especially considering Zimmerman was legally carrying a firearm that easily could have ended up in Trayvon's hands. Any doubt what Trayvon would've done if he had been able to get control of the gun? I think we all know what he would've done based on his past behavior and how he reacted to the "egregious" act committed by Zimmerman, who was simply monitoring the community as a member of the Neighborhood Watch. I truly wonder what your opinion of this case would've been if Zimmerman had been shot to death by Trayvon.

Posted by: Slappy at July 08, 2013 08:35 AM (LTbLf)

235 Justice in 2013 America is but a myth.

The same holds true for the Stock Market.

Posted by: ontherocks at July 08, 2013 08:36 AM (cVV3c)

236 233 Your postion is not well received because you have basically framed people here the same as you have framed Zimmerman since they would have done the same thing.

Posted by: polynikes at July 08, 2013 12:25 PM (m2CN7)

This is the best explanation of my reaction as I've seen, though I didn't think of it that way until you wrote this.

Posted by: Slappy at July 08, 2013 08:37 AM (LTbLf)

237 Yeah, so, I'm getting questions on what "lesson" are we sending to the private sector in letting Corzine so completely off the hook. This amazes me: the lesson obviously is to be a rich and powerful Democrat.

Posted by: Eric Holder at July 08, 2013 08:39 AM (+GpbP)

238 How exactly will the Democrats get Obama's name on the ballot in Alabama?

DOJ takes over the election on Voting Rights Act violations - minority suppression - that's how he gets on all the ballots.

Do you guys think we still live in the USA? Seriously people that died in '09. This is the USSA; its been fundamentally transformed - re-educate yourself before you are re-educated.

Posted by: [/i] [/b] [/u] [/s] An Observation at July 08, 2013 08:39 AM (ylhEn)

239 DOJ takes over the election on Voting Rights Act violations - minority suppression - that's how he gets on all the ballots.

Simply not going to happen.

Posted by: toby928© Creepy assed Crackah at July 08, 2013 08:41 AM (codCi)

240 >>No one has testified that Jorge sought to engage the tough. You can't steal second base like that. From my understanding of the trial which is not perfect Zimmerman didn't pursue Martin at all once he was told it wasn't necessary. He left his car to find a street sign because he wasn't familiar with that part of the neighborhood and that's when Martin jumped him. If anything, it was Martin stalking Zimmerman.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 08, 2013 08:41 AM (g1DWB)

241 I wonder if Corzine has Steve McQueen's car in his living room?

Posted by: Andrew at July 08, 2013 08:43 AM (HS3dy)

242 Expect the Brownshirt's uniforms to arrive just after the '14 midterm elections. The Internal Security Force will be in place and in charge well before the '16 election.

Make sure your papers are in order.

Posted by: [/i] [/b] [/u] [/s] An Observation at July 08, 2013 08:44 AM (ylhEn)

243 Simply not going to happen.

Unless We the People decide to enforce U.S. Code 30-06 yeah it will.

This all ends badly.

Posted by: [/i] [/b] [/u] [/s] An Observation at July 08, 2013 08:46 AM (ylhEn)

244 This all ends badly.

Most likely. But were Barry to somehow force his way on to the ballot, there wouldn't be an election anyway. As mild mannered as I am, I'll be shooting people at that point. I don't think I'll be alone in that.

But, I still think it's as like as a Reticulan Invasion. Barry has no incentive to be President for Life. Dictatin' be hard.

Posted by: toby928© Creepy assed Crackah at July 08, 2013 08:50 AM (codCi)

245 No one has testified that Jorge sought to engage the tough. You can't steal second base like that.

From my understanding of the trial which is not perfect Zimmerman didn't pursue Martin at all once he was told it wasn't necessary. He left his car to find a street sign because he wasn't familiar with that part of the neighborhood and that's when Martin jumped him.

If anything, it was Martin stalking Zimmerman.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 08, 2013 12:41 PM (g1DWB)

Yes, after Martin called his girlfriend from his own backyard, told her he was going to harm Zimmerman, and headed back to the cul de sac where he had last ditched Zimmerman, it could be justifiably concluded that Martin began stalking Zimmerman at that point. Martin's sudden assault of Zimmerman was a serious crime. If I was physically confronted by someone under those circumstances, a guy straddling me and pounding my head into the pavement, I believe I would have ample cause to think my life was in danger and act accordingly.

However, my point is that Zimmerman had little or no cause to begin following Martin in the first place. Martin was walking home from a convenience store, a tall black male wearing a hoodie. Martin began acting suspiciously--and this is according to Zimmerman--when Martin noticed Zimmerman watching him. Under those circumstances, if watched and then followed by a stranger whom I had ascertained was almost certainly not a police officer (as Martin did when he initially disappeared from Zimmerman's sight, looped around and came up from behind Zimmerman's then-parked car), I would act suspiciously too, if by 'acting suspiciously' you mean become spooked and wary. So would you. So would just about anyone. Thus, to me, it seems that each man misunderstood the other's intentions and motivations, and it escalated from there. It would be comic if it weren't so tragic.

Posted by: troyriser at July 08, 2013 09:10 AM (vtiE6)

246 Spells it without the H?

Now, I Hate him even more.

Posted by: Matt S. at July 08, 2013 09:14 AM (PDTch)

247

Posted by: troyriser at July 08, 2013 01:10 PM (vtiE6)

Are you also one of those people who are up in arms that Loss Prevention personnel dare follow suspicious persons around the store ?

Posted by: polynikes at July 08, 2013 09:20 AM (m2CN7)

248 " I've taken shit unlimited for not thinking this was a cut-and-dried instance of 2nd Amendment-based self-defense."

Well congratulations on that. It is also not a case of Mediated Unicorn Aggression Avoidance.

Because both of these things do not exist. Keep on trying, tho. Reality may sneak in when you are looking the other way.

Posted by: West at July 08, 2013 09:26 AM (1Rgee)

249 TM should have gone home, fired up his choom pipe and enjoyed his Skittles, and the surely deep, intelligent conversation he would have had with his girlfriend, Jabba.

Posted by: Marco Rubio at July 08, 2013 09:34 AM (YmPwQ)

250 Are you also one of those people who are up in arms that Loss Prevention personnel dare follow suspicious persons around the store ?

Posted by: polynikes at July 08, 2013 01:20 PM (m2CN7)

No, I'm not one of those people. Are you one of those people who likes being followed by strangers on your way home from the convenience store?

Posted by: troyriser at July 08, 2013 09:36 AM (vtiE6)

251 Jon Corzine skates.

An Italian-American from New Jersey makes more than a billion dollars disappear. Huh.

Am I a racist for putting it in those terms?

Posted by: Obnoxious A-hole at July 08, 2013 09:37 AM (31Nrp)

252

I guess you're one of those peopel who think that getting "dissed" is a good reason to beat the shit out of somebody.

Moral of the story: Don't go whackin' on a creepy-ass cracka that's packin'.

Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at July 08, 2013 09:49 AM (YmPwQ)

253 253

No, I'm not one of those people. Are you one of those people who likes being followed by strangers on your way home from the convenience store?

Posted by: troyriser at July 08, 2013 01:36 PM (vtiE6)

No, but my reaction isn't to go back to confront them and start beating the crap out of them when I don't even know who they are. He didn't even wait for Zimmerman to tell me that he was a member of Neighborhood Watch before punching him in the face. What is it going to take you to admit that Trayvon's rash actions were the primary reason for his demise? Plus, you conveniently ignore the fact that according to Zimmerman at the time he was following Trayvon, Trayvon was milling around in the rain looking like he was casing various apartments. The whole event was likely all a big misunderstanding by both parties, but punching an armed Neighborhood Watch member is pretty much the worst response to the situation.

Posted by: Slappy at July 08, 2013 09:56 AM (LTbLf)

254 253

No, I'm not one of those people. Are you one of those people who likes being followed by strangers on your way home from the convenience store?

Posted by: troyriser at July 08, 2013 01:36 PM (vtiE6)

Actually, I regularly go up to people and punch them in the face and then pound their head into the ground when I think they are following me. You should see all the fights that I get into at stores and at airports on the people movers.

Posted by: Slappy at July 08, 2013 09:59 AM (LTbLf)

255 You should see all the fights that I get into at stores and at airports on the people movers.

I always walk backwards so that no one can sneak up on me.

**shiftyeyes**

Posted by: toby928© for TB at July 08, 2013 10:24 AM (codCi)

256 Hey, It's New Jersey...who gives a firk?

Posted by: TxRiverRat68 at July 08, 2013 12:03 PM (YtlEx)

257 Huntsman loves the h-less comparison with Corzine.

Posted by: Bartleby the Scrivener at July 08, 2013 12:35 PM (MhA4j)

258 Until the American citizenry demand accountability of politicians and of government bureaucracies, we remain doomed. We're being "outraged" to death. As if we want any other political showdown than flooding them out of office, rats that they are. Better to direct the pressure where it belongs, on the corrupt, than persist internalizing such powerful energy against ourselves, putting up with "it" again.

Posted by: Bartleby the Scrivener at July 08, 2013 12:38 PM (MhA4j)

259 253 Are you also one of those people who are up in arms that Loss Prevention personnel dare follow suspicious persons around the store ?
Posted by: polynikes at July 08, 2013 01:20 PM (m2CN7)

No, I'm not one of those people. Are you one of those people who likes being followed by strangers on your way home from the convenience store?

Posted by: troyriser at July 08, 2013 01:36 PM (vtiE6)

OK, I'm going to say this one more time, as you keep referring to the place Trayvon was staying at when he was shot as "his home" or some other similar term. He did NOT live there. He was at his father's girlfriend's home. Look it up on the Internet if you need proof. That detail is somewhat important because it can show that Zimmerman would likely have not seen Trayvon in the community previously and thus, to him, he was a stranger, not a resident. Once again, TRAYVON DID NOT LIVE THERE! Would you please stop pretending that Trayvon lived there? I've corrected you multiple times on this issue and you continue to keep posting it. This is why many of us don't take you seriously when you discuss this case. Even now, you don't really know all the evidence or the facts.

Posted by: Slappy at July 08, 2013 04:45 PM (LTbLf)

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