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December 02, 2013

Just In Case You Forgot, Obamacare Isn't Just Incompetent and Socialist, It's Also Corrupt and Corporatist
— Ace

People who help people are the luckiest people in the world.

Tim P. Carney writes:

he contraception mandate is nakedly a huge subsidy to the industry that most firmly supported Obamacare: the drugmakers.
The drug industry has spent more on lobbying under Obama than any other industry. Top lobbyists at the Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America (PhRMA) in 2009 met behind closed doors with the White House and Senate Democrats, promising political support for Democrats in exchange for friendly provisions in Obamacare.
Top Obama bundler Sally Susman oversees the lobbying shop at drug giant Pfizer, which sells $7.6 million a year in name-brand birth control pills, while also selling contraceptive injections and generic drugs. Pfizer's CEO during the Obamacare debate was Obama donor Jeffrey Kindler. In a corporate filing, the company justified his salary increase by pointing to his Obamacare lobbying.
Obama's contraception mandate requires all employer-sponsored health care plans to cover 100 percent of the cost of all FDA-approved contraception. That gives customers incentives to choose Pfizer's name-brand pills, because the entire cost is passed onto employers and thus onto customers and colleagues. And of course, this means more profit for Pfizer.
Merck, which also makes birth control pills, deployed top lobbyist, former Democratic congressional staffer and major Democratic donor Mark Raabe to Capitol Hill and the White House to lobby on Â“efforts to gain coverage of preventive services,Â” according to company lobbying filings. The administration uses the Â“preventive servicesÂ” provision of Obamacare to justify the contraception mandate. Merck sells implants and other contraceptives -- if Â“sellsÂ” is the right word for products that many customers now get for Â“free,Â” sticking colleagues and taxpayers with the bill.
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This is just a brief taste of the corporatism that went into creating the mandate. The corporatism underlying the law's defenses is more telling in some ways.

He contrasts the Left's eagerness to pay off corporations who are willing to play ball with their seething hostility towards the rights of the owners of Hobby Lobby -- owners consisting of a husband, wife, and three children.

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1 first?

Posted by: Nip Sip at December 02, 2013 03:22 PM (0FSuD)

2 Somehow, I am starting to see a trend in today's posts? We are still hating on Scandi's right?

Posted by: Nip Sip at December 02, 2013 03:23 PM (0FSuD)

3 Ha Ha, someone go get the moron's stuck in the last thread.

Posted by: Nip Sip at December 02, 2013 03:25 PM (0FSuD)

4 Good god, does ANYONE have the recipe for figgy pudding? They won't go until they get some! I'm serious, they won't leave!

Posted by: John the Libertarian at December 02, 2013 03:25 PM (6RwsK)

5 OK I am on it.

Posted by: Nip Sip at December 02, 2013 03:25 PM (0FSuD)

6 If you like your Fascism, you can keep your Fascism.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at December 02, 2013 03:27 PM (hO8IJ)

7 Made it here!

Posted by: Count de Monet at December 02, 2013 03:28 PM (BAS5M)

8 What if ace posted a thread and no one commented?

Posted by: Nip Sip at December 02, 2013 03:28 PM (0FSuD)

9 The pill can, rarely, have side effects including death (a friend of mine lost his sister to it). I bring this up because rarely + every insurance plan must cover it + everyone must have insurance + LIV (the government wouldn't give me something that's bad for me) = consequences somewhere down the road.

Posted by: Methos at December 02, 2013 03:28 PM (hO9ad)

10 The anti-Corporate, anti-Business Left would argue that Obama was clever in buying off Big Pharma. Make a short term deal now, and then in 5 years the FDA can change the regulations to favor generics over brand-name drugs. My money is on Big Pharma buying off the FDA, but that's the left-wing strategy.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at December 02, 2013 03:28 PM (ZPrif)

11 And puppies running around the corner in 3, 2, 1...

Posted by: shredded chi at December 02, 2013 03:29 PM (m+AZt)

12 big pharma , big insurance , big bank, big car, big green.

Posted by: willow at December 02, 2013 03:29 PM (nqBYe)

13 Pfizer, which sells $7.6 million a year in name-brand birth control pills, That's gotta be a typo.

Posted by: soothsayer at December 02, 2013 03:29 PM (VLyds)

14 While I don't completely agree when Liberals complain about greedy insurance companies I don't quite see how passing a law requiring everyone to buy their product is a solution.

Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at December 02, 2013 03:29 PM (6ahup)

15 $7.6 million in gross sales revenue of birth control pills seems awfully low. Pfizer overall does about $60 billion annually.

Posted by: Phinn at December 02, 2013 03:29 PM (KOGmz)

16 Kennedy? Totally hitable.

Posted by: Lee Oswald at December 02, 2013 03:30 PM (Zswg6)

17 And this is why obama is really a fascist who pretends to be a socialist.

Posted by: soothsayer at December 02, 2013 03:30 PM (VLyds)

18 Depressing

Posted by: wooga at December 02, 2013 03:30 PM (3Y+vi)

19 Does this corporatism make my ass look big?

Posted by: Voter who only criticizes Obama's white half at December 02, 2013 03:30 PM (W2qJe)

20 Fen's Law explains all. Leftist hate the rich, except for themselves and those who pay them.

Posted by: toby928© Day three of mourning at December 02, 2013 03:30 PM (QupBk)

21 It's the Chicago Way, Baby.

Posted by: Valerie Jarrett at December 02, 2013 03:30 PM (Pr6hk)

22 From the article:

"Hobby Lobby is not a publicly traded company. It has five owners: David and Barbara Green and their three children. The company's official statement of purpose includes Â“[h]onoring the Lord in all we do by operating the company in a manner consistent with Biblical principles.Â”

Hobby Lobby is closed on Sunday. It doesn't sell materials that promote alcohol consumption. The company takes out newspaper ads encouraging readers to Â“know Jesus as Lord and Savior.Â”

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They are the Enemy of the State and must be destroyed.

Posted by: mama winger at December 02, 2013 03:30 PM (P6QsQ)

23 Top Obama bundler Sally Susman oversees the lobbying shop at drug giant Pfizer, which sells $7.6 million a year in name-brand birth control pills...

And Sandra Fluke accounts for most of that.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 02, 2013 03:31 PM (8ZskC)

24 There's some mistake. I didn't say "Contraception Camps"!
Fuck-ups.

Posted by: president o'bumbles at December 02, 2013 03:31 PM (4NEdy)

25 Isn't there some Marxist/Alinsky quote about "The Capitalists will sell us the rope with which we will hang them"? That's what the Left is hoping is happening here at least.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at December 02, 2013 03:31 PM (ZPrif)

26 the left is a sham of concern for the poor

and the children.
media are shills for big corporate.

what happened to Cheney Halliburton!

yeah they pretend to care about big corp, until they seemingly have Alzheimers like with war, or children first, or education, its all a rope a dope.

Posted by: willow at December 02, 2013 03:31 PM (nqBYe)

27 I can confirm the 'Incompetent' part... you are on your own on the others.

Posted by: Ambassador Stevens at December 02, 2013 03:31 PM (Pr6hk)

28 Ill bet my left nut George Soros and Warren Buffet and the like never made more $$ than in the last 4.5 years.

Posted by: soothsayer at December 02, 2013 03:31 PM (VLyds)

29 $7.6 million in gross sales revenue of birth control pills seems awfully low. Pfizer overall does about $60 billion annually.

Oh, that's just for me.

Posted by: Sandra Fluke at December 02, 2013 03:31 PM (hO9ad)

30 He contrasts the Left's eagerness to pay off corporations who are willing to play ball with their seething hostility towards the rights of the owners of Hobby Lobby -- owners consisting of a husband, wife, and three children.

Yeah, but those are Christian breeders. You know, Unpeople.

You know, at least I only act out my psychodramas in fanfic, not in brute political force. So I've got that going for me.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD, you taunty bitch. at December 02, 2013 03:32 PM (Gk3SS)

31 So, you mean that there is the whole big multi multi billion dollar deal and it is mainly a sop to the President's favored constituencies? Gosh, that's weird and totally unlike the stimulus or anything else he does.

Posted by: blaster at December 02, 2013 03:32 PM (4+AaH)

32 Good god, does ANYONE have the recipe for figgy pudding? They won't go until they get some! I'm serious, they won't leave!

Posted by: John the Libertarian at December 02, 2013 07:25 PM (6RwsK)

You mean some Figgy Duff? Try this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JttU9_kg1ng

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 02, 2013 03:32 PM (8Fl6F)

33 they dislike the rich unless they are enRiching themselves.

Posted by: willow at December 02, 2013 03:32 PM (nqBYe)

34 I never thought I would be reincarnated as a rat-human hybrid.

Posted by: Albert Speer at December 02, 2013 03:33 PM (Pr6hk)

35 "It's not a novel claim, but it's still a scary one: A person gives up his First Amendment rights when he is acting as a businessman.

The underlying logic here is this: A for-profit corporation -- even a privately held one -- cannot be permitted to serve a religious purpose, or presumably any other purpose besides profit. In other words, the administration is arguing that the only legitimate aim of a corporation is profit -- and, interestingly, the Left is rallying behind this viewpoint."

Posted by: mama winger at December 02, 2013 03:33 PM (P6QsQ)

36 Obama's contraception mandate requires all employer-sponsored health care plans to cover 100 percent of the cost of all FDA-approved contraception. And, I guess the point is, name-brand contraception. Who the hell covers 100% of name-brand medication of any kind? Magnificently stupid. And perfectly corrupt. I wonder if, say, cancer meds are covered at 100%. Even covering 100% of generic meds is a disaster. Ignore the redistributionist nonsense, there's no downward pressure on price. God, are these people even this stupid or do they expect some later (Republican, I guess) administration to fix it later?

Posted by: AmishDude at December 02, 2013 03:33 PM (xSegX)

37 Pfizer, which sells $7.6 million a year in name-brand birth control pills, That cannot be correct.

Posted by: Cicero Kid at December 02, 2013 03:33 PM (6fSty)

38 It's the Chicago way!

Posted by: BlueFalcon in Boston at December 02, 2013 03:33 PM (KCvsd)

39 Put me the knowledge, morons. I have to win tonight's pick just to break even for the week after the disqualification incident. Do I take the Seabirds and give the points? Or does NO pull the upset?

Posted by: toby928© Day three of mourning at December 02, 2013 03:34 PM (QupBk)

40 Evil Corporations are the ones they don't own.

Posted by: --- at December 02, 2013 03:34 PM (MMC8r)

41 i have been wondering if the obamacare legislation disallows the rampant and unwarranted cutting off of feets .

Posted by: willow at December 02, 2013 03:34 PM (nqBYe)

42 I've long said that besides castigating those who demand more and more free stuff, we should also be checking out those corporations that service those beneficiaries and who sometimes help create the laws that govern those benefits.

EBT cards == Banks, JP Morgan et al

Obama Phones == Verizon, Assure, Sprint et al.

Section 8 Housing == Landlords all over

Medicare part D == Walmart and other druggists and Big Pharma

Medicare Part A and B == Insurance companies, AARP, Hospitals and Medical plans

Those are just a few. There are many, many more.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Unexpurgated Edition) at December 02, 2013 03:35 PM (LSDdO)

43 Obama's contraception mandate requires all employer-sponsored health care plans to cover 100 percent of the cost of all FDA-approved contraception.

And a Chevy Volt!

Posted by: Government Motors at December 02, 2013 03:35 PM (8ZskC)

44 Hate Chicken is also closed on Sunday......... I wonder why that would be hmmmmmm????

Posted by: Truck Monkey, Gruntled New Business Owner at December 02, 2013 03:35 PM (jucos)

45 maybe Pfizer makes lots more $$ off licensing their birth control pills to generic vendors?

Posted by: soothsayer at December 02, 2013 03:35 PM (VLyds)

46 16 Well played, sir.

Posted by: shredded chi at December 02, 2013 03:35 PM (m+AZt)

47 i have been wondering if the obamacare legislation disallows the rampant and unwarranted cutting off of feets . Heck, no!

Posted by: Big Prosthetic at December 02, 2013 03:36 PM (MMC8r)

48 Seriously, though, how does Big Pharma make sure this generous 100% coverage of name-brand drugs is never changed? Other than with massive campaign donations in perpetuity, of course.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at December 02, 2013 03:37 PM (ZPrif)

49 Hate Chicken is also closed on Sunday......... I wonder why that would be hmmmmmm???? Posted by: Truck Monkey, Gruntled New Business Owner at December 02, 2013 07:35 PM (jucos)

To mock me personally.

In case you haven't heard me whine incessantly about this, there is a Chick Fil A directly across the street from my church. It's MEAN.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD, you taunty bitch. at December 02, 2013 03:37 PM (Gk3SS)

50 Obama's contraception mandate requires all employer-sponsored health care plans to cover 100 percent of the cost of all FDA-approved contraception.

So libertines like me can bone to their heart's content!

Posted by: Sandra Flook at December 02, 2013 03:37 PM (Dwehj)

51 A future FDA can change these rules at any moment, no?

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at December 02, 2013 03:37 PM (ZPrif)

52 Who would ever think they would see the day that a family business would be fined by their own government for refusing to provide drugs that kill the children of their own employees.

Posted by: mama winger at December 02, 2013 03:38 PM (P6QsQ)

53 Iraq death toll.
A suicide bombing at the funeral of an Iraqi anti-Qaeda fighter killed 12 people and wounded 28 others on Sunday. Spiraling November violence ahead of elections in the war-torn country has seen the number of dead rise by at least 940 people in one month @RT.

where are the screams of killing brown folks? and the gazillion protests of no more war ?

strange how the media , the protests , and the administration are no longer concerned about anything except right wingers opinions.

Posted by: willow at December 02, 2013 03:38 PM (nqBYe)

54 This administration has been corporatism from the start, and not just with Obamacare. The Left are big on plundering the treasury, wherever they are.

Posted by: [/i][/b]KG at December 02, 2013 03:38 PM (IPz9m)

55 i have been wondering if the obamacare legislation disallows the rampant and unwarranted cutting off of feets .

Posted by: willow at December 02, 2013 07:34 PM (nqBYe)

Well, you got me stumped.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at December 02, 2013 03:38 PM (8Fl6F)

56 Thanks for this post........

Posted by: shoeless hunter at December 02, 2013 03:38 PM (FFFRn)

57 Hey, its Big Pharma's fault,that's the ticket

Posted by: AARP at December 02, 2013 03:39 PM (CMlD4)

58 I would imagine most people opt for $4-9 generic birth control pills. Pfizer hoped to change that by lobbying for the Obamacare contraception mandate.

Posted by: Baron Von Ottomatic at December 02, 2013 03:39 PM (kUgpq)

59 Not corrupt. Just all powerful according to the Affordable Care Act. My judgement is not questionable, John Roberts has confirmed this.

Posted by: Kathleen Sebilius at December 02, 2013 03:39 PM (Pr6hk)

60 The greedy Doctors stole my tonsils.

Posted by: Truck Monkey, Gruntled New Business Owner at December 02, 2013 03:39 PM (jucos)

61
37 Pfizer, which sells $7.6 million a year in name-brand birth control pills,

That cannot be correct.

Posted by: Cicero Kid at December 02, 2013 07:33 PM (6fSty)

Apparently, the generic Pfizer pill version sells $7.7 million, and the name brand does about $12-13 million. They are less than 2% of the market. Tiny.

But Depo-Provera (injectible) sells about $120 million annually. There's probably a generic, too.

Posted by: Phinn at December 02, 2013 03:39 PM (KOGmz)

62
Yep, the left hates them some evil corporations, unless they are the type of evil corporations willing to take kickbacks for leftist policies.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at December 02, 2013 03:39 PM (caCiW)

63 When we hang the capitalists, they will sell us the rope we use. Joseph Stalin

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at December 02, 2013 03:39 PM (ZPrif)

64 57 Hey, its Big Pharma's fault,that's the ticket Posted by: AARP at December 02, 2013 07:39 PM (CMlD4) STFU and keep selling our shitty policies.

Posted by: United Health Care at December 02, 2013 03:40 PM (0FSuD)

65 Fight in Jets-Rangers!

Posted by: logprof at December 02, 2013 03:40 PM (fETNt)

66 Obama's contraception mandate requires all employer-sponsored health
care plans to cover 100 percent of the cost of all FDA-approved
contraception.

People' s basic healthcare needs won't be covered but birth control and abortions for everyone at our expense

Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 02, 2013 03:40 PM (JivuR)

67 Contrast to Johnson and Johnson, not a pro obama drug co, has been extorted for billions by holder.

Posted by: traye at December 02, 2013 03:40 PM (Hq5/X)

68 The left simply is nuts when it comes to business and corporations. I've had lefties say to my face that the USA is the only country that considers "Corporations as a person". Um, even ancient Rome had the concept of the "juristic person", ie Corporate Personhood.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b] at December 02, 2013 03:41 PM (sByIH)

69 Â It's MEAN. My ten year old daughters words exactly. We don't take the kids for fast food very often, but inevitably, when we decide to and it's her turn to choose, it'll end up being a Sunday.

Posted by: shredded chi at December 02, 2013 03:41 PM (m+AZt)

70 Crony socialism from Barry and his gang? Shocking

Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 02, 2013 03:41 PM (JivuR)

71 Joe, my guess is that is that Big Business no longer cares about the long run. The execs and lobbyists care about 'getting theirs' today. Why else would they would be stupid enough to outsource to India and buy crap from China? Big Business doesn't care about killing jobs in the US even though it's their frikkin customer base!

Posted by: soothsayer at December 02, 2013 03:41 PM (VLyds)

72 as we all know kickbacks and pay to play schemes are now the norm.

How else are the poor despondent politicians supposed to buy their mansions and have enough future retirement funding .

it's tough being in DC these days.

Posted by: willow at December 02, 2013 03:41 PM (nqBYe)

73 I could be mistaken but I was under the impression that obarky phones are provided by tracfone only.

Posted by: GMB at December 02, 2013 03:41 PM (nkPV9)

74 Johnson and Johnson? Never heard of them.

Posted by: Charles Gibson at December 02, 2013 03:42 PM (kUgpq)

75 100 percent of the cost of all FDA-approved contraception.

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Birth control: The Eucharist of the leftist church.

Posted by: mama winger at December 02, 2013 03:42 PM (P6QsQ)

How much have we spent on this clusterfuck so far? At some point we will pass the point of no return and will be forced to make this work. Like hammering a square peg into a round hole.

Posted by: Truck Monkey, Gruntled New Business Owner at December 02, 2013 03:43 PM (jucos)

77 Well, you got me stumped.
I'm typing this with my nose.

Posted by: bob at December 02, 2013 03:43 PM (4NEdy)

78 At some point we will pass the point of no return and will be forced to make this work. No such thing. Sunk cost fallacy.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b] at December 02, 2013 03:44 PM (sByIH)

79 This is all flucked up. Who knew that both "Julia" and Sandra Fluke were on Pfizer's payroll?

Posted by: Comanche Voter at December 02, 2013 03:45 PM (dtuXM)

80 Howie Carr often wonders why Democrats would destroy the health care system and not worry how it affects their descendants. They don't give a fig! Nobody today gives a crap about the future.

Posted by: soothsayer at December 02, 2013 03:46 PM (VLyds)

81 Who knew that both "Julia" and Sandra Fluke were on Pfizer's payroll? Julia's job is a no-show. They can't get Fluke out of the Mens Bathroom.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b] at December 02, 2013 03:46 PM (sByIH)

82 "At some point we will pass the point of no return and will be forced to make this work." Nope, the government can walk away, and the failure can serve as a warning to others.

Posted by: BlueFalcon in Boston at December 02, 2013 03:46 PM (KCvsd)

83 Howie Carr often wonders why Democrats would destroy the health care system and not worry how it affects their descendants. *rings bell* *nasal intonation* Iiiii willl hellllp briiiiing aboooooout Siiiigle Paaaayeeeer.

Posted by: Nancy Pelosi[/i][/b][/i][/b] at December 02, 2013 03:47 PM (sByIH)

84 Birth control: The Eucharist of the leftist church.

Posted by: mama winger at December 02, 2013 07:42 PM (P6QsQ)

My only hope is that the left stops reproducing or maybe one child per couple and the right outbirths them and in a generation the left is overwhelmed. Which is probably why the left wants amnesty for the illegals as a counter weight against that

Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 02, 2013 03:47 PM (JivuR)

85 Nope, the government can walk away, and the failure can serve as a warning to others.

Posted by: BlueFalcon in Boston at December 02, 2013 07:46 PM (KCvsd)

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Wouldn't heads on pikes be better?

Posted by: Truck Monkey, Gruntled New Business Owner at December 02, 2013 03:48 PM (jucos)

86 "Howie Carr often wonders why Democrats would destroy the health care system and not worry how it affects their descendants. " They control the schools, arts, media, and news. In their minds everyone's children will be "their" children (it takes a village) and be taught to think 'properly'.

Posted by: BlueFalcon in Boston at December 02, 2013 03:48 PM (KCvsd)

87 Prez'nit Obama is the working girl's hero!

Posted by: Sandra Flook at December 02, 2013 03:48 PM (Dwehj)

88 My only hope is that the left stops reproducing or maybe one child per couple and the right outbirths them and in a generation the left is overwhelmed. Which is probably why the left wants amnesty for the illegals as a counter weight against that Don't forget us!

Posted by: NEA Indoctrination Camps[/i][/b][/i][/b] at December 02, 2013 03:48 PM (sByIH)

89 The Obama administration is shifting $100 million into research efforts aimed at curing HIV, President Obama announced Monday.

A new initiative at the National Institutes of Health will be aimed at "advanc[ing] research toward an HIV cure," Obama said at a White House event marking World AIDS Day, which was Sunday.

The initiative is aimed at developing "new therapies," he said. "The United States should be at the forefront of the discoveries how to put HIV in long-term remission without requiring lifelong therapies. Or, better yet, eliminate it completely."

Posted by: mama winger at December 02, 2013 03:49 PM (P6QsQ)

90 Dumbass Things Liberals believe about ObamaCare: Getting the federal government involved in healthcare transactions will bend the cost curve down. As proven never.

Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at December 02, 2013 03:50 PM (6ahup)

91 "making it work" would involve jacking up the Yugo hood ornament and driving a different car underneath.

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/s] at December 02, 2013 03:50 PM (0OknM)

92 #85, I bet a few HOAs would have issues with that.

Posted by: BlueFalcon in Boston at December 02, 2013 03:50 PM (KCvsd)

93 The greedy Doctors stole my tonsils.

Posted by: Truck Monkey, Gruntled New Business Owner at December 02, 2013 07:39 PM (jucos)

I stole something once, but I totally plan on taking it back. Eventually.

Posted by: The Doctor at December 02, 2013 03:50 PM (hO9ad)

94 I have an idea for eliminating AIDS. It doesn't require 100 million dollars either.

Posted by: mama winger at December 02, 2013 03:50 PM (P6QsQ)

95 The Obama administration is shifting $100 million into research efforts aimed at curing HIV, President Obama announced Monday.

Posted by: mama winger at December 02, 2013 07:49 PM (P6QsQ)

Loosely translated as lots of new yatches and oceanfront properties for tenured professors...

Posted by: [/i][/b]KG at December 02, 2013 03:51 PM (IPz9m)

96 Boy, I'd like to have a go at that Ray Lewis fella!

Posted by: Sandra Flook at December 02, 2013 03:51 PM (Dwehj)

97 The Obama administration is shifting $100 million into research efforts aimed at curing HIV, President Obama announced Monday. "Shifting" from where? The GAO?

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b] at December 02, 2013 03:51 PM (sByIH)

98 Howie Carr often wonders why Democrats would destroy the health care system and not worry how it affects their descendants.

They've all got enough money tied up in trusts that the grandkids they don't haul off to be aborted will be able to buy whatever they need.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at December 02, 2013 03:52 PM (hO8IJ)

99 Loosely translated as lots of new yatches and oceanfront properties for tenured professors...
And community organizers and liaisons.

Posted by: [/i]andycanuck[/b] at December 02, 2013 03:53 PM (4NEdy)

100 94 I have an idea for eliminating AIDS. It doesn't require 100 million dollars either. Posted by: mama winger at December 02, 2013 07:50 PM (P6QsQ) We don't have any AIDS. It's our great health care system, that and the prisons we send gheys too. That the solution you looking at?

Posted by: Castro at December 02, 2013 03:53 PM (0FSuD)

101 The Obama administration is shifting $100 million into research efforts aimed at curing HIV, President Obama announced Monday.

"Shifting" from where? The GAO?

Posted by: bonhomme at December 02, 2013 07:51 PM (sByIH)

Barry: Shifting it. Printing it. It's all the same, isn't it?

Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 02, 2013 03:53 PM (JivuR)

102 Can't make a functional website, but can cure AIDS totes fer sher.

Posted by: --- at December 02, 2013 03:53 PM (MMC8r)

103 At some point we will pass the point of no return and will be forced to make this work.

It can't work, it doesn't matter whether 'we' acquiesce to it or not. The country simply doesn't have the resources.

Posted by: Methos at December 02, 2013 03:53 PM (hO9ad)

104 Eliminating AIDS is simple. Get everyone that has it to stop fucking and sharing needles with those who don't. Wait about 90 years and the natural course of life will eliminate the disease from existence in humans.

Posted by: BlueFalcon in Boston at December 02, 2013 03:54 PM (KCvsd)

105 Dumbass Things Liberals believe about ObamaCare: Insurance companies need to be forced to provide preventative care because it reduces long term healthcare costs. Because insurance companies apparently want long term healthcare costs high so they can pay more for it?

Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at December 02, 2013 03:54 PM (6ahup)

106 If you like your AIDS, you can keep your AIDS.

Posted by: --- at December 02, 2013 03:54 PM (MMC8r)

107 The Obama administration is shifting $100 million into research efforts aimed at curing HIV, President Obama announced Monday. Barry has a vested interest.

Posted by: toby928© Day three of mourning at December 02, 2013 03:54 PM (QupBk)

108 Getting the federal government involved in healthcare transactions will bend the cost curve down. It's simple, wingnut. Corporations only exist for profit. Government is controlled by The People. If Government is in charge, then there is no profit motive and The People will finally direct HealthCare Dollars. That means we can shrink cost! There's your Master's degree in leftology. Can I point to a working example? Sure! *points finger at some report written by an out and proud Communist at the WHO*. It says here some Scandi country has better results for less money. Science!

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b] at December 02, 2013 03:55 PM (sByIH)

109 Howie Carr often wonders why Democrats would destroy the health care system and not worry how it affects their descendants.

i often wonder that about the 'everyone is a racist and not worrying about the future cohesiveness of our society or the mental health children hearing the b.s.

Posted by: willow at December 02, 2013 03:55 PM (nqBYe)

110 Some of you still believe the Left's policies are grounded in good intentions. Have You Learned Nothing From Me All These Years?!?!?

Posted by: soothsayer at December 02, 2013 03:55 PM (VLyds)

111 From what I've read, there's a couple of aids cure approaches that are probably going to work now that we pretty much understand all the bio-chem mechanisms involved.

Obama's jumping in on the last 1/2 mile of a marathon so he can sprint across the finish line and claim the credit. All the REAL work happened over the last 20 years.

The good thing is there's a bunch of other pernicious diseases that are gonna wind up with cures due to that 20 years of research and understanding that came with it.

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/s] at December 02, 2013 03:56 PM (0OknM)

112 They've all got enough money tied up in trusts that the grandkids they don't haul off to be aborted will be able to buy whatever they need.

Hahahahaha

Good luck with that.

Posted by: Deflationary collapse leading to a three digit DJIA at December 02, 2013 03:56 PM (hO9ad)

113 I keep hearing the music, but no one's dancing yet.

Posted by: toby928© Day three of mourning at December 02, 2013 03:56 PM (QupBk)

114 73Â I could be mistaken but I was under the impression that obarky phones are provided by tracfone only. Posted by: GMBÂ I see commercials for somebody called Assurance all the time. Could be an arm of TracFone.

Posted by: shredded chi at December 02, 2013 03:56 PM (m+AZt)

115 Dumbass Things Liberals believe about ObamaCare: Existing policies are abusive and horrible and Obamacare policies are wonderful. So we need a coercive law to force people into the new plans.

Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at December 02, 2013 03:57 PM (6ahup)

116 Obama's jumping in on the last 1/2 mile of a marathon so he can sprint across the finish line and claim the credit. All the REAL work happened over the last 20 years. I killed ~~Bin Ladin~~ AIDS!

Posted by: St. Barry Assflaps at December 02, 2013 03:57 PM (MMC8r)

117 sooth, no i no longer believe their intentions are positive for society. i believe they are wreckers of peaceful coexistance*

for power and money, but especially power .

Posted by: willow at December 02, 2013 03:58 PM (nqBYe)

118 I never thought of corporations as the bad guys until Obama demonstrated so persuasively how they can corroborate with government to screw the masses. Now I think Google is probably the most evil corporation out there.

Posted by: D-Lamp at December 02, 2013 03:58 PM (bb5+k)

119 Existing policies are abusive and horrible and Obamacare policies are wonderful. So we need a coercive law to force people into the new plans. Choice confuses people!

Posted by: A Commie at Harvard[/i][/b][/i][/b] at December 02, 2013 03:58 PM (sByIH)

120 Some of you still believe the Left's policies are grounded in good intentions.

Have You Learned Nothing From Me All These Years?!?!?

Posted by: soothsayer at December 02, 2013 07:55 PM (VLyds)

Road to Hell: Has anyone seen what I'm paved with? And no, I wasn't a Hope and Crosby movie

Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 02, 2013 03:58 PM (JivuR)

121 Dumbass Things Liberals believe about ObamaCare:

Existing policies are abusive and horrible and Obamacare policies are wonderful. So we need a coercive law to force people into the new plans.

Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at December 02, 2013 07:57 PM (6ahup)

That's a big talking point for the left. Everyone had a rotten policies and now BarryCare will save you from them

Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 02, 2013 03:59 PM (JivuR)

122 25 Isn't there some Marxist/Alinsky quote about "The Capitalists will sell us the rope with which we will hang them"? That's what the Left is hoping is happening here at least. Posted by: Flatbush Joe at December 02, 2013 07:31 PM (ZPrif) Actually I think we've flipped the script on them. It appears that Socialism has sold itself the rope with which it is going to be hung.

Posted by: D-Lamp at December 02, 2013 03:59 PM (bb5+k)

123 You have nothing to fear...ah, f'k it...never mind.

Posted by: Se. Juan "Santiago" McCain at December 02, 2013 04:00 PM (Dwehj)

124 anyone know if dohrn, van jones or ayers or their groupies visited thailand or the ukraine recently?

Posted by: willow at December 02, 2013 04:00 PM (nqBYe)

125 If it a lifeline phone then it is Tracfone. Don't know if Virgin Mobile belongs to them too. IIRC they are owned by the same company. Big time barky donors still.

Posted by: GMB at December 02, 2013 04:00 PM (nkPV9)

126 Good point on the collapsing economy. Fo Democrats think their heirs will be immune from a collapse? No. They just don't care. The Here And Now is all that matters.

Posted by: soothsayer at December 02, 2013 04:00 PM (VLyds)

127 Dumbass Things Liberals believe about ObamaCare: Insurance companies are greedy exploiters so we need a law to force Americans to buy their products. That will show those bastards.

Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at December 02, 2013 04:01 PM (6ahup)

128 Che was a doctor, so those people he killed? He gave them a prescription.

Posted by: Castro at December 02, 2013 04:01 PM (0FSuD)

129 Hmmm, the fusion of corporations and the State ... It seems like this cutting-edge political philosophy needs a distinctive name. Something that captures the tendency to nationalize whole industries with the spirit of the socialist movement. A kind of national socialism, if you will. I've got it! I propose calling our new era the age of Socialist Nationalism.

Posted by: Phinn at December 02, 2013 04:01 PM (KOGmz)

130 the thing about insurance i hate them until i need them , fighting with them to cough up under their policies can often be a task. yet i am ABLE to fight them unlike the govt.

Posted by: willow at December 02, 2013 04:01 PM (nqBYe)

131 Wow, the Illuminati got Paul Walker*. Executed. *Facebook. One of the best comedy sites online.

Posted by: akula51[/b][/i][/s] at December 02, 2013 04:01 PM (54dkR)

132 Posted by: Purp at December 02, 2013 07:56 PM (0OknM) I was going to build one of those Altair 8800 systems (as Featured in Popular Electronics) but I was too poor back then to afford the parts. I ended up going the RCA 1802 route.

Posted by: D-Lamp at December 02, 2013 04:01 PM (bb5+k)

133 So let me get this straight, Obama promised that under Obamacare, no one would lose their doctors or insurance if they liked it, it would cost on average $2500 less than what you were paying, and the 30 million uninsured would finally get an insurance plan. Instead we find out forcing you to lose your doctor and insurance was the plan from the get go, if the cost of your Obamacare plan only costs you $2500 more per year, you were lucky, and millions have now been added to the uninsured while only a few thousand have managed to enroll in Obamacare.

So now Obama wants to cure AIDS or something? Well sign me up, what could possibly go wrong?

Posted by: mugiwara at December 02, 2013 04:02 PM (hpYnL)

134 O/T: Kotaku has an...interesting relationship with video game breast physics. http://tinyurl.com/mvp9n5y Plenty of Horde-worthy offerings in the comments. You're welcome.

Posted by: Istanbul (not Constantinople) at December 02, 2013 04:03 PM (m9V0o)

135 It appears that Socialism has sold itself the rope with which it is going to be hung. Wouldst that this were true.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b] at December 02, 2013 04:03 PM (0HooB)

136 Road to Hell: Has anyone seen what I'm paved with? Unbaptized infants? "If you wish to be a Catholic, do not believe, nor say, nor teach, that infants who die before baptism can obtain the remission of original sin." --St Augustine

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b] at December 02, 2013 04:03 PM (sByIH)

137 i think the left are destructive by nature, greedy, nihilistic and really don't give much thought to children of the future.

Posted by: willow at December 02, 2013 04:04 PM (nqBYe)

138 That's a big talking point for the left. Everyone had a rotten policies and now BarryCare will save you from them Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 02, 2013 07:59 PM (JivuR) ~ Exactly. Superior products don't need laws to force their purchase. Remember how we needed the government to convince use to buy VHS instead of a Betamax?

Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at December 02, 2013 04:04 PM (6ahup)

139 So let me get this straight, Obama promised that under Obamacare, no one would lose their doctors or insurance if they liked it, it would cost on average $2500 less than what you were paying, and the 30 million uninsured would finally get an insurance plan. Instead we find out forcing you to lose your doctor and insurance was the plan from the get go, if the cost of your Obamacare plan only costs you $2500 more per year, you were lucky, and millions have now been added to the uninsured while only a few thousand have managed to enroll in Obamacare. You know, I'd be willing to give up my nic to TFG if he'd resign tomorrow.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b] at December 02, 2013 04:05 PM (0HooB)

140 doesn't this sound like the left?
niÂ·hilÂ·ism[ n ə lÃ¬zzəm ]
total rejection of social mores: the general rejection of established social conventions and beliefs, especially of morality and religionbelief that nothing is worthwhile: a belief that life is pointless and human values are worthlessdisbelief in objective truth: the belief that there is no objective basis for truth

Posted by: willow at December 02, 2013 04:05 PM (nqBYe)

141 Pretty sure healthcare.gov is blocking overseas IPs. I've been trying to access the site from Australia for the past two days. So...just like Facebook and Google. Only accessible sometimes within the US! Good job!

Posted by: laowai at December 02, 2013 04:06 PM (Su3+l)

142 Er, sock off.

Posted by: Brother Cavil needs to sort his socks at December 02, 2013 04:06 PM (m9V0o)

143 Isn't there some Marxist/Alinsky quote about "The Capitalists will sell us the rope with which we will hang them"?
That's what the Left is hoping is happening here at least.
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at December 02, 2013 07:31 PM (ZPrif)
Actually I think we've flipped the script on them.
It appears that Socialism has ~~sold~~ stolen for itself the rope with which it is going to be hung.
Posted by: D-Lamp at December 02, 2013 07:59 PM (bb5+k)

Fixed for accuracy.

Posted by: mugiwara at December 02, 2013 04:07 PM (hpYnL)

144 Wow, the Illuminati got Paul Walker*. Executed.

*Facebook. One of the best comedy sites online. Posted by: akula51 at December 02, 2013 08:01 PM (54dkR)

Now that's just ridiculous.

Posted by: Giorgio Tsoukalos at December 02, 2013 04:07 PM (Gk3SS)

145 O/T: Kotaku has an...interesting relationship with video game breast physics. They're bobble-boobs.

Posted by: St. Barry Assflaps at December 02, 2013 04:07 PM (MMC8r)

146 Good point on the collapsing economy. Fo Democrats think their heirs will be immune from a collapse? No. They just don't care. The Here And Now is all that matters. Posted by: soothsayer at December 02, 2013 08:00 PM (VLyds) Hedonism is their guiding principle, when it comes to Abortion, Drugs, Sexuality, Art or Finance, it is all about the here and now, because to quote that famous Homosexual economist, "In the long run, we're all dead."

Posted by: D-Lamp at December 02, 2013 04:07 PM (bb5+k)

147 BTW, just up at WZ the ACLU is suing Roman Catholic hospitals for not performing abortions.

Posted by: [/i]andycanuck[/b] at December 02, 2013 04:07 PM (4NEdy)

148 He gave them a prescription.

Pb inj w/a

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at December 02, 2013 04:08 PM (hO8IJ)

149 Oh, goody! Tons of human interest stories on the NFL pregame show!

Posted by: Low Information Soccer Mom at December 02, 2013 04:08 PM (Dwehj)

150 Dumbass Things Liberals believe about ObamaCare: ObamaCare is going to simultaneously increase your healthcare access, increase the number of people with coverage, and cost less. Because, magic?

Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at December 02, 2013 04:08 PM (6ahup)

151 144 Now that's just ridiculous. Yeah...uh...he stumbled onto a plot to disseminate permanent birth control to the survivors of the typhoon over yonder...in the relief supplies. So, yeah. Car go boom. People are funny.

Posted by: akula51[/b][/i][/s] at December 02, 2013 04:09 PM (54dkR)

152 Oh, and thanks Ace, for rubbing salt in the Bama game wound again.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b] at December 02, 2013 04:09 PM (0HooB)

153 I think collapsing the system is the best bet at this point. I do not want my children to have to clean up a mess that I helped make.

Even if a third, more conservative party should come along and repeat what the GOP did at the start, that would give the proggies eight more years to put cement shoes on everyone.

That damage, IMO, would take several years to repair.

Posted by: GMB at December 02, 2013 04:11 PM (nkPV9)

154 All morons must cheer for Seattle in solidarity with PGis. That and fuck the Sts. Panthers need them to go down. That's is all.

Posted by: Nip Sip at December 02, 2013 04:11 PM (0FSuD)

155 I just melt when ESPN makes a grown defensive lineman cry for the camera!

Posted by: Low Information Soccer Mom at December 02, 2013 04:11 PM (Dwehj)

156 Several "generations" is what I meant.

Posted by: GMB at December 02, 2013 04:11 PM (nkPV9)

157 Oh, and thanks Ace, for rubbing salt in the Bama game wound again. Roll ti... Um, that kick looks short. Uh oh, that guy caught... Why is nobody tackling him! *chin drop* *barfs into hat*

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b] at December 02, 2013 04:12 PM (sByIH)

158 130 the thing about insurance i hate them until i need them , fighting with them to cough up under their policies can often be a task. yet i am ABLE to fight them unlike the govt. Posted by: willow at December 02, 2013 08:01 PM (nqBYe) I hate them period. I don't need them, yet they convinced the State governments to pass laws forcing me to buy their product against my will. Then they convinced the State governments to pass laws requiring me to wear a seat belt, and they almost convinced them to pass a law here requiring motorcyclists to wear helmets. The Fact of medical "insurance" has led to a massive fraud and a price gouging orgy in the medical industry. I hate the insurance industry, and I would like to see it destroyed.

Posted by: D-Lamp at December 02, 2013 04:13 PM (bb5+k)

159 I think collapsing the system is the best bet at this point. I do not want my children to have to clean up a mess that I helped make. We still haven't collapsed, and we're dehydrating people to death.

Posted by: NHS[/i][/b][/i][/b] at December 02, 2013 04:13 PM (sByIH)

160 Dumbass Things Liberals believe about ObamaCare: Government run healthcare is going to be wonderful just like VA hospitals and Bureau of Indian Affairs health clinics.

Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at December 02, 2013 04:13 PM (6ahup)

161 and the #1 Dumbass Things Liberals believe about ObamaCare: Subsidy means free.

Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at December 02, 2013 04:15 PM (6ahup)

162 "we should also be checking out those corporations that service those beneficiaries"

It's the Venn diagram intersection between the welfare state and corporate welfare.

Posted by: torquewrench at December 02, 2013 04:15 PM (gqT4g)

163 140 doesn't this sound like the left? niÂ·hilÂ·ism[ n ə lÃ¬zzəm ] Posted by: willow at December 02, 2013 08:05 PM (nqBYe) Yes.

Posted by: D-Lamp at December 02, 2013 04:15 PM (bb5+k)

164 BTW, just up at WZ the ACLU is suing Roman Catholic hospitals for not performing abortions. On that premise, couldn't we sue the ACLU for not representing conservatives?

Posted by: St. Barry Assflaps at December 02, 2013 04:16 PM (MMC8r)

165 Heads on pikes...how many spikes are on the fences around DC? Calls and letters didn't work, neither did signs and slogans. Are we at torches and pitchforks yet, or gibbets and guillotines?

Posted by: delayna at December 02, 2013 04:17 PM (KnC4k)

166 Socialist Nationalism.

Well Barack is a Warrior Princess.
There's a p-shop o barf waiting to happen.

Posted by: DaveA[/i][/b][/s] at December 02, 2013 04:17 PM (DL2i+)

167 They're bobble-boobs. Posted by: St. Barry Assflaps at December 02, 2013 08:07 PM (MMC8r)

This is enthralling: http://youtu.be/Jt9O2MAg9mU

(Link is SFW but I'm getting some NSFW vids in the sidebar)

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD, you taunty bitch. at December 02, 2013 04:17 PM (Gk3SS)

168 "The Deceiver and his minions hate you and live to destroy you." -- Shih Tzu

Posted by: soothsayer at December 02, 2013 04:18 PM (sIg28)

169 Jets GOAL!!! Tied 1-1

Posted by: logprof at December 02, 2013 04:18 PM (fETNt)

170 How many millions of dollars is Barky "shifting" to find new therapies for lung cancer?

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at December 02, 2013 04:20 PM (dfYL9)

171 The Brits gibbeted Blackbeard the pirate when they finally caught him. Good time man, good times. Sometimes the old ways were best.

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/s] at December 02, 2013 04:21 PM (0OknM)

172 Jets score again! 2-1 Jets!!!

Posted by: logprof at December 02, 2013 04:21 PM (fETNt)

173 170 How many millions of dollars is Barky "shifting" to find new therapies for lung cancer? Posted by: Margarita DeVille at December 02, 2013 08:20 PM (dfYL9) AIDS is probably a greater threat to barky.

Posted by: D-Lamp at December 02, 2013 04:21 PM (bb5+k)

174 "It says here some Scandi country has better results for less money. Science!"

My favorite Scandi comparison exercise came when Milton Friedman was being earnestly lectured to by an economist colleague about the superiority of the "middle way" Scandinavian welfare states.

The lefty pointed out that the Scandi welfare state countries have vanishingly low poverty rates.

Friedman simply cleared his throat and observed that precisely the same is true for Scandinavian immigrants living in America.

Game, set, match.

Posted by: torquewrench at December 02, 2013 04:22 PM (gqT4g)

175 Prediction: Obama's "shifting" of funds can be predicted by how much the disease skews non-white and non-male.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at December 02, 2013 04:22 PM (ZPrif)

176 My favorite Scandi comparison exercise came when Milton Friedman was being earnestly lectured to by an economist colleague about the superiority of the "middle way" Scandinavian welfare states. The lefty pointed out that the Scandi welfare state countries have vanishingly low poverty rates. Friedman simply cleared his throat and observed that precisely the same is true for Scandinavian immigrants living in America. Game, set, match. Posted by: torquewrench at December 02, 2013 08:22 PM (gqT4g) --Must be on Youtube somewhere, right?

Posted by: logprof at December 02, 2013 04:23 PM (fETNt)

177 Well AtC there goes my Xena joke and the rest of the evening.

Posted by: DaveA[/i][/b][/s] at December 02, 2013 04:23 PM (DL2i+)

178 The pills don't just disappear when it gets ingested, you know. Thermodynamics applies here as it applies everywhere else. The byproducts gotta go somewhere. I suppose in the case of birth-control the toilet hoboes catch some of it but we can't be everywhere :^P

So, where do all those extra hormones and other toxins end up? Yep - the water supply.

The environmentalists made a big deal of it in the 1990s until it was whispered that the pill counts.

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at December 02, 2013 04:24 PM (Nsoq9)

179 So, where do all those extra hormones and other toxins end up? Yep - the water supply.

We don't really need fish, do we?

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at December 02, 2013 04:25 PM (hO8IJ)

180 Gonna cure AIDS huh? He couldn't SPELL aids even if you spotted him the A and the D.

Posted by: Thomas "hollywood" Henderson at December 02, 2013 04:26 PM (S3EdD)

181 Prediction: Obama's "shifting" of funds can be predicted by how much the disease skews non-white and non-male. In this country, or in Africa? Because in this country the biggest new infection vector is among homosexual males, which skews white upper class.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b] at December 02, 2013 04:26 PM (sByIH)

182 171 The Brits gibbeted Blackbeard the pirate when they finally caught him. Good time man, good times. Sometimes the old ways were best. Posted by: Purp at December 02, 2013 08:21 PM (0OknM) I believe you are referring to Captain Kid. My recollection is that Blackbeard had a big shoot out/sword fight with a task force sent to get him.

Posted by: D-Lamp at December 02, 2013 04:26 PM (bb5+k)

183 Blackbeard had his head cut off and brought back in in triumph by Maynard.

Posted by: toby928© Day three of mourning at December 02, 2013 04:27 PM (QupBk)

184 Friedman simply cleared his throat and observed that precisely the same is true for Scandinavian immigrants living in America. Game, set, match. Posted by: torquewrench at December 02, 2013 08:22 PM (gqT4g) Obviously much more politically agile than was Charles Murray.

Posted by: D-Lamp at December 02, 2013 04:29 PM (bb5+k)

185 I believe you are referring to Captain Kid. My recollection is that Blackbeard had a big shoot out/sword fight with a task force sent to get him. Yep, he was shot and cut up in battle. A sailor chopped off his head while Blackbeard was about to best Lt Robert Maynerd. They paraded Blackbeard's head all over the Caribbean.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b] at December 02, 2013 04:29 PM (sByIH)

186 Apropos of nothing, I would just shit if OSU and Auburn lose and Alabama backs back into the BCS, again. Bring on the playoffs.

Posted by: toby928© Day three of mourning at December 02, 2013 04:29 PM (QupBk)

187 Ed Henry Fox News White House correspondents. Ask this question, smile, be nice, seem to be on their side, just trying to help.... be sure to ask in a nice way for one follow up question. "As we all know you guys are trying hard to fix the AHC web site to be sure the American people do not get their ID's hacked by hackers, can you tell in a short answer why you did not seek the help of say the high tech code writers who do work from Sandia National Lab in New Mexico for the NSA, CIA, Pentagon, FBI ect.?" they will blah blah.. force in the follow up. "Well we understand all that but can you tell us why you have not sought that help now that you know of the security problems, and why did not someone from the NSA, CIA, FBI, or Pentagon let you know of the assets available with in the government for such work?"

Posted by: fobdangerclose at December 02, 2013 04:29 PM (Zmbb2)

188 And this is why obama is really a fascist who pretends to be a socialist. The major difference between the two is that the fascists have better parades.

Posted by: VADM(Red) Cuthbert Collingwood (Mentioned in Despatches) at December 02, 2013 04:29 PM (O7OxF)

189 Damnit people ... join the fold !!! We're THIS CLOSE to winning the White House, Senate, and House. Then we'll show those Low Down Dirty Dems some RESPONSIBLE Federal Government. Now pipe down, 'Rons and 'Ettes ... before you spoil the Party.

Posted by: ScoggDog at December 02, 2013 04:29 PM (6/+vz)

190 Gibbeting is the lesson that keeps teaching for decades if you tar the body first.

The guillotine's lessons are too ephemeral...unless you tarred/gibbet those remains too.

Maybe there's some sort of polymer coating that would make heads on pikes longer lasting?

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/s] at December 02, 2013 04:30 PM (0OknM)

191 The major difference between the two is that the fascists have better parades. And better uniforms, although I have to say that the Russian Field Marshal's hats are the bomb. You don't even need an umbrella in the rain.

Posted by: toby928© Day three of mourning at December 02, 2013 04:31 PM (QupBk)

192 It is my not so humble opinion that facts are now danger close to the liar B. Obama.

Posted by: fobdangerclose at December 02, 2013 04:31 PM (Zmbb2)

193 If only John McCain would have won. He would have NEVER cozied up to Big Business.

Posted by: ScoggDog at December 02, 2013 04:34 PM (6/+vz)

194 Crap, Rangers goal. 2-2.

Posted by: logprof at December 02, 2013 04:34 PM (fETNt)

195 Can't be both socialist and corporatist.

Posted by: Palooka at December 02, 2013 04:36 PM (f8Sgo)

196 Nude People of Elbow thread.

Posted by: toby928© Day three of mourning at December 02, 2013 04:37 PM (QupBk)

197 You know ... now that I think of it ... ... can't think of a SINGLE TIME in my short 41 years that a GOP President raised taxes / grew government / infringed on individual liberties. Why didn't I join the fold sooner ?

Posted by: ScoggDog at December 02, 2013 04:37 PM (6/+vz)

198 195 Can't be both socialist and corporatist. You can. We used to call the National Socialists.

Posted by: ScoggDog at December 02, 2013 04:38 PM (6/+vz)

199 Howie Carr often wonders why Democrats would destroy the health care system and not worry how it affects their descendants. They don't give a fig! Nobody today gives a crap about the future. Funniest thing about our culture: Parents are not getting married and married people are not having children. Our society is getting a lot older.

Posted by: AmishDude at December 02, 2013 04:39 PM (xSegX)

200 scogg, yet if we vote dem we get all those things faster and harder.

it is a quandary

Posted by: willow at December 02, 2013 04:39 PM (nqBYe)

201 i would like to see stopping skidmarks on the national road to hell.

Posted by: willow at December 02, 2013 04:40 PM (nqBYe)

202 damn it sports is on new post.

Posted by: willow at December 02, 2013 04:41 PM (nqBYe)

203 200 scogg, yet if we vote dem we get all those things faster and harder. it is a quandary. No it is not. My kids are 9 & 13. I'm 41. Let's do the burning now - while they're still young and I'm not old.

Posted by: ScoggDog at December 02, 2013 04:42 PM (6/+vz)

204 > You can. We used to call the National Socialists. Who, in the end, weren't very social. Nork Korea calls itself "Democratic" but it ain't, right? Also, I post these two posts absolutely positively disgusted in the Obama admin.

Posted by: Palooka at December 02, 2013 04:42 PM (f8Sgo)

205 Also, I post these two posts absolutely positively disgusted in the Obama admin. Ya ain't getting single payer, pookie. You get the crash instead.

Posted by: toby928© Day three of mourning at December 02, 2013 04:44 PM (QupBk)

206 Democratic Socialists kill the Golden Goose for the short-term benefit of the Masses. National Socialists kill the Masses for the short-term benefit of the Golden Goose. Given enough Tyranny - both systems unfortunately can and do last.

Posted by: ScoggDog at December 02, 2013 04:47 PM (6/+vz)

207 "Gibbeting is the lesson that keeps teaching for decades if you tar the body first. The guillotine's lessons are too ephemeral...unless you tarred/gibbet those remains too. Maybe there's some sort of polymer coating that would make heads on pikes longer lasting?"

Dip them in a vat of two-part water-clear epoxy. They'll keep for centuries.

Posted by: torquewrench at December 02, 2013 04:56 PM (gqT4g)

208 I guess we're supposed to stay down here for non-football and elbow stuff? I just saw a commercial for a new movie coming out Christmas Day. Grudge Match, I think. Rocky vs. Raging Bill. Seriously.

Posted by: shredded chi at December 02, 2013 04:56 PM (m+AZt)

209 As with all corporatism, this is not helping "the drug industry". It is helping a few huge pharmaceutical corporations (the ones who do the biggest donating and lobbying). Most of the industry is not advanced by this provision or much of the bill. Many small drug companies and biotechs are hurt by the various mandates and regulations as they try to provide insurance for their employees and compete for talent with the same Big Pharma guys as above.

Posted by: CarlB at December 02, 2013 04:57 PM (oef2I)

210 It's not helping drug companies. It's "redistributing wealth" from taxpayers to non-taxpayers. Which is colloquial for Republicans to Democrats.

Posted by: The Mega Independent at December 02, 2013 04:59 PM (4/o9U)

211 I wonder if, say, cancer meds are covered at 100%.

Even covering 100% of generic meds is a disaster.

Ooooh ooooh I can answer this since I have my brand spanking new shit sandwich policy in front of me.

Let's see...

All medications are paid 20(policy holder)/80(ins co) *after* you reach your gazillion dollar deductible except for....birth control pills which are paid for 100% all the time without meeting deductible!

Thank god for the ACA!!!!

Posted by: DangerGirl, home sweet home at December 02, 2013 05:03 PM (GrtrJ)

212 Dip them in a vat of two-part water-clear epoxy. They'll keep for centuries. Posted by: torquewrench at December 02, 2013 08:56 PM (gqT4g) Does anyone remember about that guy who came up with this technique ? http://www.bodiestheexhibition.com/newyork/

Posted by: D-Lamp at December 02, 2013 05:05 PM (bb5+k)

213 Dip them in a vat of two-part water-clear epoxy. They'll keep for centuries. Posted by: torquewrench --------------------- I would not wish to spend the money, but isn't Lenin's body hooked to a pump which circulate some variety of anti-rot fluid?

Posted by: Mike Hammer at December 02, 2013 05:06 PM (aDwsi)

214 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenin%27s_Mausoleum

Posted by: GMB at December 02, 2013 05:11 PM (nkPV9)

215 214 Okay..., this got my attention: "For example, if a patch of wrinkling or discoloration occurred it was treated with an acetic acid diluted with vodka."

Posted by: Mike Hammer at December 02, 2013 05:13 PM (aDwsi)

216 I had to google for pics. He doesn't look half bad for a guy that's been dead 90 years. That vodka is working.

Posted by: shredded chi at December 02, 2013 05:21 PM (m+AZt)

217 Pretty sure healthcare.gov is blocking overseas IPs. I've been trying to access the site from Australia for the past two days. So...just like Facebook and Google. Only accessible sometimes within the US! Good job! Posted by: laowai at December 02, 2013 08:06 PM (Su3+l) Sorry. Offshore IPs are for taking in illegal campaign donations only.

Posted by: Hobo, Prada, Etc. at December 02, 2013 05:24 PM (GeVLX)

218 The Left is fucking evil. I'm sick of looking at them. I'm sick that we even have to talk about them. They're beneath me. They're beneath all of us.

Posted by: rrpjr at December 02, 2013 05:26 PM (s/yC1)

219 We've added a great new feature to Healthcare.gov. Its called "wait in line". You're welcome.

Posted by: Kathleen Sebelius at December 02, 2013 05:55 PM (6ahup)

220 Another ObamaDoesn'tCare story ... Even though I had completed all of the necessary steps to that point, the site didnÂ’t work that day and locked my account Â— allowing me to do nothing more on the healthcare.gov site. I called the call center, who couldnÂ’t even find me in the system Â— despite the fact I had an account, had selected an insurer and clicked enroll. They discovered my family in the system once they figured out healthcare.gov had determined my 8-year-old son was the head of the household. The call center operator said we couldnÂ’t do anything until he gave me permission to access the account (he was in school, so that wasnÂ’t happening).

Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at December 02, 2013 06:07 PM (e8kgV)

221 ONT is up.

Posted by: [/i]andycanuck[/b] at December 02, 2013 06:18 PM (4NEdy)

222 Obama's crony capitalism in alliance with his Marxist/muslim agendas which all have in common the suppression/oppression of the working class Americas to eventually enslave ALL AMERICANS. Soros's one world government, New World Order, making the wo0rld a one world concentration camp. Just look at the
Emperor efforts to rule as tyrant and destroy rule of law/Constitution protections designed by our forefathers to protect the populace from a power mad dictator.

Posted by: ron n. at December 02, 2013 08:11 PM (c7HxG)

223 73 I could be mistaken but I was under the impression that obarky phones are provided by tracfone only. Posted by: GMB __________________________ And Tracfone is owned by Mexican tele-com billionaire Carlos Slim (who also owns a big stake in the NY Times). Slim is a big Obama donor/supporter (naturally), and an even bigger amnesty pimp (those tens of millions of new, poor "immigrants" are going to need lots of "free" Obama phones!)

Posted by: Trivial Pursuer at December 03, 2013 03:26 AM (/sohm)

224 Zmbb2

Posted by: fobdangerclose at December 03, 2013 04:26 AM (Zmbb2)

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