January 16, 2013
— Ace It's a cherished belief among the artistic/faux-intellectual set that they are brave seekers of truth, and, furthermore, are comfortable with doubt. That is to say, they acknowledge that life is often confusing and knowledge is elusive, but they are brave enough not to dispel that doubt through fictions like (to their minds) religion and crude ideologies. They've even seized upon a (misused) philosophical term to explain the behavior of those they define themselves against, those who are so wigged out by doubt and ambiguity they seal their minds off from any information that contradicts their simple ideological storyline: "epistemological closure." Google it. Liberals love writing about it and accusing the right of suffering from it.
Meanwhile, they praise themselves by employing other neologisms to describe their elevated intellectual state, such as "integrative complexity."
Other flatteries they bestow upon themselves include the cherished notion that they seek information and art that "challenges" beliefs and assumptions, and are comfortable with -- nay, excited by -- such challenging art, and that they enjoy "nuanced" art full of contradictions and complexities unlike the inbred hillbillies who require very crude morality plays of white hats and black hats, where the author intrudes in a very ham-fisted way to explain what is Right and what is Wrong.
None of these things, of course, are remotely true, as continues to be demonstrated by the left wing continuing to bash Kathryn Bigelow for treating the issue of enhanced interrogations ambiguously; she's been forced (as Gabe noted earlier) to essentially write a defense of her film.
Her sin -- for which she's been repeatedly criticized, and denied an Oscar nomination for -- consists of not taking any strong position on enhanced interrogation in her film, neither repudiating it nor championing it. As I understand it, an enhanced interrogation is depicted in the film, in the general flow of events leading up to the execution of bin Ladin, but the interrogation is not shown as providing any crucial information towards that goal. Thus, her sin appears to be permitting audience members to infer that critical information resulted from the enhanced interrogation, if that was their inclination, rather than explicitly stating "This waterboarding resulted in no good information whatsoever."
As I understand it, her depiction of the enhanced interrogation also permits the inference that the waterboarding resulted in no good intelligence, and was therefore a moral sin which cannot even be redeemed by utilitarian ends-justify-the-means considerations.
So she found an point over which people can and do argue, and depicted it in that way-- as something the audience could argue about later.
In other words, she's being attacked for doing precisely what the left claims it's in favor of -- being comfortable with ambiguity and inference and multiple interpretations. And she's being attacked for not doing what the left claims it hates, and which only a blinkered right-wing religious robot would do: Inserting a ham-fisted shouting-voiced Moral of the Story in which the film makes it clear that Waterboarding is Bad, Always, and Don't Do Nothing Good, Ever.
The left is also contradicting their claim that they're just about "challenging assumptions" and above inserting crude overt political messages; Bigelow's leftist critics demand precisely that. They've decided that Waterboarding is Bad, Always, and Don't Do Nothing Good, Ever, and they insist upon "art" that faithfully regurgitates this political message upon command.
In fact, while there are some who do claim that Waterboarding is Bad, Always, no less an authority than former CIA director and lifelong Democrat and Clinton aide Leon Panetta says enhanced interrogations did in fact aid in the killing of bin Ladin.
Thus, while the left has chosen, as usual, to attempt to win an argument not by having an argument about implications and ethics but by denying facts (did you know, for example, that there were no Soviet agents in the State Department at all when Joseph McCarthy was claiming there were?), Bigelow has already nodded to their article of faith by keeping things ambiguous, but didn't nod further to claim that which appears completely untrue. That is to say, she met them halfway and avoided stating affirmatively that waterboarding led to important information, but she would not go all the way over to endorse their factually-false position that Waterboarding is Bad, Always, and Don't Do No Good, Ever, and for that she's being pilloried.
The left is extremely Stalinist and Orwellian about its blatant efforts to influence the future by rewriting the past. The truth seems to mean nothing at all to them; the "truth" is just a lie we mutually agree upon, they believe, so we might as well change history (and science) to make a Better Truth.
It's egregious. At the end of the day, no matter what your ideology or your background or your religious beliefs, the truth should mean something important to you, and honesty should be an apolitical virtue.
I'm beginning to realize something horrifying: The West seemed to win the Cold War, but in fact the Stalinists won where it matters, in the mind, and therefore, in history, or at least in history as we mutually agree it should be. The subversive left's project of fighting for Soviet Russia, employing all its viciously dishonest tricks and manipulations, continues unabated.
Someone Had to Say It:
In Soviet Russia, the epistemology closes you.-- wooga
Well actually someone didn't have to say it; that was a pretty clever way to turn the phrase.
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"epistemological closure." ...?
I believe that is covered under my ZeroCare law.
All ob/gyn doctors must provide this for free!
Posted by: King Zero Dark Squirty at January 16, 2013 11:36 AM (fH4X9)
Posted by: Fourth Virginia at January 16, 2013 11:36 AM (wbmaj)
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Wily Wrepublican Wench at January 16, 2013 11:37 AM (kXoT0)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at January 16, 2013 11:37 AM (VtjlW)
Posted by: DenverGregg at January 16, 2013 11:37 AM (5tPx9)
Posted by: tasker at January 16, 2013 11:37 AM (r2PLg)
Don't forget: Mooch told us during Barky's first campaign that our country would "need to change our history and traditions."
Wonder what she meant about that? *taps chin*
Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 16, 2013 11:38 AM (UOM48)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 16, 2013 11:38 AM (jE38p)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 16, 2013 11:39 AM (UOM48)
Posted by: tasker at January 16, 2013 11:39 AM (r2PLg)
The only people who say it hasn't are idiots.
Posted by: Vic at January 16, 2013 11:39 AM (53z96)
renidition still exists, illegal war has now Actually happened.
assassination of 'chosen' americans on lists is now Legal.
war is ok now. just because.
These things are no longer told about as There g-d is in power.
who interned japanese?
who was kkk?
lincoln is now a Dem
Posted by: ette at January 16, 2013 11:39 AM (nqBYe)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 16, 2013 03:39 PM (UOM4
Besides that he was rude to the 'ettes.
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Wily Wrepublican Wench at January 16, 2013 11:40 AM (kXoT0)
Posted by: Fourth Virginia at January 16, 2013 11:40 AM (wbmaj)
Posted by: ace at January 16, 2013 11:40 AM (LCRYB)
Posted by: ette at January 16, 2013 11:40 AM (nqBYe)
Posted by: Bob in Houston at January 16, 2013 11:40 AM (fJoZd)
Posted by: EC at January 16, 2013 11:41 AM (GQ8sn)
Bullseye. Our intellectual betters, encapsulated brilliantly by an Ewok.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at January 16, 2013 11:41 AM (QKKT0)
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WeÂ’re going to have to change our conversation, weÂ’re going to have to change our traditions, our history and weÂ’re going to have to move to a different place.
-Michelle Obama - Our First Lady 2009
Posted by: fixerupper at January 16, 2013 11:42 AM (nELVU)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 16, 2013 11:42 AM (/eBe8)
We think that. Your children's children won't. Unless we make some serious changes....soon.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at January 16, 2013 11:42 AM (0q2P7)
Posted by: rickb223 at January 16, 2013 11:42 AM (GFM2b)
Posted by: Fourth Virginia at January 16, 2013 11:42 AM (wbmaj)
There a new TV series coming on called "The Russians", about Soviet sleeper cells in America circa 1981. The producer is on record saying that the show is asking viewers to "root for the Soviets", as enough time has passed to allow a look at our country from the enemy point of view.
You're right, they never stop.
Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at January 16, 2013 11:42 AM (YmPwQ)
19 oh and who wrote legislation that led to the financial crash?
Yep...and who sued Citibank to make subprime loans, thereby sending shockwaves out to other banks to follow suit?
Posted by: wheatie at January 16, 2013 11:43 AM (fH4X9)
Posted by: tubal at January 16, 2013 11:43 AM (BoE3Z)
Nope, it was Moochillini, she is the one with the muscles and the attitude. Navy Seals do not wear Mom jeans and wear bicycle helmets while riding a girls bike.
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Wily Wrepublican Wench at January 16, 2013 11:43 AM (kXoT0)
I give a flying fuck what your political beliefs are. Keep them to yourselves and just fucking ENTERTAIN ME.
Posted by: © Sponge at January 16, 2013 11:43 AM (xmcEQ)
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at January 16, 2013 11:43 AM (GfHSl)
Stalinists did lose, but we haven't won. No shortage of commies and their ilk, there is no end.
Posted by: ConservativeMonster at January 16, 2013 11:43 AM (FzhYM)
Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 16, 2013 11:43 AM (ROv35)
Ace, I've been saying this for a while...and not as a snarky joke kinda thing.
The Soviet psyops/propaganda was devastatingly effective and continues on auto-pilot on its own.
I've been mentally kinda sketching out a post themed around how we've kinda switched places with the old Soviet Union.
Posted by: @PurpAv at January 16, 2013 11:44 AM (1Cuor)
Posted by: Wooga at January 16, 2013 11:44 AM (lfTEK)
Posted by: Daybrother at January 16, 2013 11:44 AM (+paCV)
Posted by: Soona at January 16, 2013 11:45 AM (jnlKI)
Exactly Ace, as I've said in the past, they never left...it is going to get worse, they have taken over the Universities, and infected the minds of students with bizarre ideas.
It's just beginning. The media has now tipped their hand with their now-universal acceptance of government ownership.
Posted by: Rev dr E buzz at January 16, 2013 11:45 AM (raGXo)
Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at January 16, 2013 11:45 AM (Ec6wH)
Posted by: Vic at January 16, 2013 11:46 AM (53z96)
Posted by: AmishDude at January 16, 2013 11:46 AM (T0NGe)
The Soviet psyops/propaganda was devastatingly effective and continues on auto-pilot on its own.
Well put.
Posted by: Lurking Canuck at January 16, 2013 11:46 AM (NF2Bf)
Posted by: © Sponge at January 16, 2013 03:43 PM (xmcEQ)
This is no longer possible. Just like reporting the facts and allowing people to form their own meaning is no longer possible. The sheeple must be told what things mean, and the proper way of thinking.
The culture ist kaput.
Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at January 16, 2013 11:46 AM (zpqa2)
Posted by: Hadji the Muslim Comic at January 16, 2013 11:46 AM (RuUvx)
Yep...and who sued Citibank to make subprime loans, thereby sending shockwaves out to other banks to follow suit?
Posted by: wheatie at January 16, 2013 03:43 PM (fH4X9)
and who went to waters, barney , frank and so on during Bush's adm to explain what was going to happen ,
oh yeah they were racist.
Posted by: ette at January 16, 2013 11:46 AM (nqBYe)
Posted by: @PurpAv at January 16, 2013 03:44 PM (1Cuor)
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I wrote a short story in Junior High (yes Junior High.... NOT middle school) on that very topic. 1970's.
Whodathunkit was prescient.
Posted by: fixerupper at January 16, 2013 11:46 AM (nELVU)
Yep. Gramsci was a Stalinist. His long march through the institutions was a tool of subversion in service of world Communism. The only problem for the Soviets was that it took too long to help them in the short run. In the long run, however...
Posted by: joncelli at January 16, 2013 11:46 AM (RD7QR)
He was just doing what was necessary to hold his country together in response to famine brought by war and Western imperialism. Without him the Allies wouldn't have defeated the Nazis you know.
Besides, all the myths about Stalin being responsible for the deaths of millions is just right wing propaganda.
Posted by: Every Modern Leftist at January 16, 2013 11:47 AM (SY2Kh)
Posted by: Jaws at January 16, 2013 11:47 AM (4I3Uo)
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at January 16, 2013 11:47 AM (e0xKF)
Unfortunately, for us all, thinking is out of favor. Most don't like it and many cannot do it.
So next time you sit down Ace to scribe some learnin' and thinkin' just know that thinkin' thing no longer wins the day.
What does? How one feels and the obama sound bite of the day...that is all.
Think and scribe all you want...we ain't persuading nobody nohow. Sorry.
Posted by: rukiddingme? at January 16, 2013 11:47 AM (MbeEN)
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at January 16, 2013 11:48 AM (e0xKF)
Get on that pinball machine!
Posted by: Spielberg and Lucas at January 16, 2013 11:48 AM (lfTEK)
Unexpected. ho-hum.
Whether one thinks the Stalinists or Maoists "won" the Cold War, is irrelevant.
The disease of Marxist-Leninist - Trostkyist thinking was already deeply imbedded into the Western academy. Marxism is, after all, a "Western" idea, it did not originate in the East, Russia or China or elsewhere.
It is a mode of thinking that is deeply seductive of the faux intellectual, because with little effort or study, it gives them the superficial rhetorical tools to attack tradition, the past, or the institutions of Republican Democracy. Like Obama; a rather shallow and thoughtless Left-wing reactionary. He simply regurgitates all the crap he has been taught by the Leftist crowd he hung out with in his formative years.
The Rules for Radicals by Alinsky are just tactics in this ongoing intellectual struggle; there is no deep thought that went into any of that sort of social action. The fact that Obama and his mouth-breathing followers do these things unthinkingly just shows how deeply imbedded the sick ideas of Marxism are woven into our culture now, and how real small their thinking is.
Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes...... at January 16, 2013 11:49 AM (RFeQD)
The left sucks the Barbed Cock of Satan....
Posted by: Mjölnir, the banhammer from the gates of Hell at January 16, 2013 11:49 AM (Jls4P)
The subversive left's project of fighting for Soviet Russia, employing all its viciously dishonest tricks and manipulations, continues unabated.
When the wall came down the globe started heating up.
Posted by: eleven at January 16, 2013 11:49 AM (KXm42)
Damn Horrywood, you should maybe try to whore for us....I at least send flowers.
Posted by: sven10077 at January 16, 2013 11:49 AM (LRFds)
Posted by: ace at January 16, 2013 11:50 AM (LCRYB)
Posted by: Andrew Breitbart at January 16, 2013 11:50 AM (6I2S+)
Seems like i've been saying this all along. (Since 1992 when I first really noticed it.)
Posted by: DiogenesLamp at January 16, 2013 11:51 AM (bb5+k)
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at January 16, 2013 11:51 AM (e0xKF)
Joe McCarthy was a piker.
The Leftist's persecution of conservatives is showing us how it's really done.
Posted by: wheatie at January 16, 2013 11:52 AM (fH4X9)
Hit the button too soon...
What I was going to say was "My own Congresscritter at the time, Rep. Richard Baker, was one of the people pushing for the overhaul of Freddie and Fannie and got called a racist for it."
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at January 16, 2013 03:48 PM (e0xKF)
uh hmm, because fiscal solvency is hateful and racist.
yes i watched many videos on the arguments, and they always ended up with the same result, You hate the poor and racist!
oh and everything is fine!
Posted by: ette at January 16, 2013 11:52 AM (nqBYe)
Posted by: gigg at January 16, 2013 11:52 AM (41VCE)
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Wily Wrepublican Wench at January 16, 2013 11:52 AM (kXoT0)
Posted by: sophocles at January 16, 2013 11:52 AM (Kxz3Y)
Posted by: AmishDude at January 16, 2013 11:53 AM (T0NGe)
The West seemed to win the Cold War, but in fact the Stalinists won where it matters, in the mind, and therefore, in history, or at least in history as we mutually agree it should be. The subversive left's project of fighting for Soviet Russia, employing all its viciously dishonest tricks and manipulations, continues unabated.
Along this line, what are the odds that the new FX series The Americans, which apparently tells the tale of a husband-and-wife team of Soviet spies in the Reagan Era, ends up making the spies look good and decent and making the Reagan administration look evil and corrupt?
I'm just sayin'.
Posted by: The Regular Guy at January 16, 2013 11:53 AM (qHCyt)
Posted by: Fourth Virginia at January 16, 2013 11:53 AM (wbmaj)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at January 16, 2013 11:54 AM (VtjlW)
Posted by: Thorvald at January 16, 2013 11:54 AM (1V6Pv)
_______________________________
Holy shit, he's taken the red pill.
Ever notice how little academic ink has been spilled on the decline and fall of the Soviet Empire? An event that concluded decades of world-shaping in geopolitics and culture merits little more than a footnote. There is probably more ink extant on the "Black Night of Fascism" and blacklisting in the United States than there is on the decline and fall of the Soviet Empire.
I guess some people don't like to be reminded of their team losing.
Posted by: Alec Leamas at January 16, 2013 11:54 AM (mg08E)
Posted by: AmishDude at January 16, 2013 11:54 AM (T0NGe)
Posted by: rickb223 at January 16, 2013 11:54 AM (GFM2b)
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at January 16, 2013 11:55 AM (GfHSl)
I'm beginning to realize something horrifying: The West seemed to win the Cold War, but in fact the Stalinists won where it matters, in the mind, and therefore, in history, or at least in history as we mutually agree it should be. The subversive left's project of fighting for Soviet Russia, employing all its viciously dishonest tricks and manipulations, continues unabated.
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Acknowledging the problem is the first step to recovery.
Posted by: kallisto at January 16, 2013 11:55 AM (jm/9g)
Posted by: tasker at January 16, 2013 11:55 AM (r2PLg)
The producer is on record saying that the show is asking viewers to "root for the Soviets", as enough time has passed to allow a look at our country from the enemy point of view.
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I guess my question was already answered.
Funny how the "artists" in Hollywood are actually so utterly predictable.
Posted by: The Regular Guy at January 16, 2013 11:55 AM (qHCyt)
Yep. Gramsci was a Stalinist. His long march through the institutions was a tool of subversion in service of world Communism. The only problem for the Soviets was that it took too long to help them in the short run. In the long run, however...
Posted by: joncelli at January 16, 2013 03:46 PM (RD7QR)
I would argue that they were assisted by the Tytler cycle. Prosperity made their ideas more plausible. It takes suffering and austerity to understand why communist ideas are so much crap, but we were blessed/cursed with an amazing bounty of posterity post World War II. Some of that aided the "spoiled rotten" syndrome of the subsequent children.
Prosperity promotes it's own destruction by allowing the embrace of foolhardy ideas.
Posted by: DiogenesLamp at January 16, 2013 11:55 AM (bb5+k)
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at January 16, 2013 03:55 PM (GfHSl)
Someone had to lead the way for Kim Il Jong....
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Wily Wrepublican Wench at January 16, 2013 11:56 AM (kXoT0)
Posted by: Truck Monkey at January 16, 2013 11:56 AM (jucos)
Posted by: Alec Leamas at January 16, 2013 03:54 PM (mg08E)
They lost a battle. The war continues apace.
Posted by: joncelli at January 16, 2013 11:56 AM (RD7QR)
Third rate thinkers produce non-thinking products, and the graduates of the school were all indoctrinated, self-indulgent and self-pitying pussies. Exceptions were few. Obama's base is from the Universities, and they are the handlers for the useless uneducated malcontents that receive the King's largesse. Rant over.
Posted by: tubal at January 16, 2013 11:56 AM (BoE3Z)
Giggles can rewrite the last 15 seconds or the last 15 centuries and no one cares.
Posted by: sven10077 at January 16, 2013 11:56 AM (LRFds)
Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 16, 2013 11:56 AM (ROv35)
Posted by: EC at January 16, 2013 11:56 AM (GQ8sn)
Posted by: Fritz at January 16, 2013 11:57 AM (w3+gB)
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at January 16, 2013 11:57 AM (e0xKF)
29 There a new TV series coming on called "The Russians", about Soviet sleeper cells in America circa 1981.
It's actually called...'The Americans'.
And I will watch it for a while, to see for myself what it's theme is.
It might be a case of 'rooting for the poor schmucks were forced to be sleeper agents'.....rather than 'rooting for the KGB'.
Too soon to know.
Posted by: wheatie at January 16, 2013 11:57 AM (fH4X9)
Posted by: tasker at January 16, 2013 03:55 PM (r2PLg)
She loves her some Bill Maher too, which is supremenely gag worthy IMHO.
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Wily Wrepublican Wench at January 16, 2013 11:57 AM (kXoT0)
Haven't you known, in the back of your mind, that this silly shit couldn't last, and we were going to have to deal with the end of all we knew before we shuffled off this mortal coil?
Posted by: Invictus at January 16, 2013 11:58 AM (OQpzc)
Posted by: DiogenesLamp at January 16, 2013 03:55 PM (bb5+k)
I've been thinking for some time now the US is in the curious position of "death by too much success". Ironic.
Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at January 16, 2013 11:58 AM (zpqa2)
The Media for the most part are unthinking idiots that serve up what will make them money next week. They cut their own throats (rhetorically speaking) all the time. None of them have any credibility with me, personally. I suspect that all of them, at some level, are knowingly telling lies.
Ditto the entertainment business. This Kathryn Bigelow person apparently has been denounced in her social clique, and is trying to make amends by being obsequious in her idealogical apology. There is no sense of integrity in her work, that she might stand up and say, "Yes, it is ambiguous, and interrogation at Gitmo might have led is to Bin Ladin".
For all the good it might have done. Piffle.
Bin Ladin was a stooge, a rich idiot that played the game and was constantly being plied by sharper people in the Salafist Islam movement to favor them with money. The Muslims that actually mastermind the killing and violence are still out there, making evil happen.
And Joe Biden is still and idiot.
Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes...... at January 16, 2013 11:58 AM (RFeQD)
Posted by: Stuff Kruschev Said at January 16, 2013 11:58 AM (BAS5M)
Seriously. Don't expend any time or effort or energy on this crap. Don't give them any money. Don't waste time viewing their "product". They won't change. You can't change them. Starve the beast.
Posted by: torquewrench at January 16, 2013 11:58 AM (gqT4g)
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Wily Wrepublican Wench at January 16, 2013 11:58 AM (kXoT0)
Puhleeze.. nobody criticized her for "championing" "enhanced interrogation".
Posted by: Gerry at January 16, 2013 11:58 AM (Bz7Zm)
Posted by: ace at January 16, 2013 11:58 AM (LCRYB)
Posted by: naturalfake at January 16, 2013 11:58 AM (G9qZk)
Posted by: Vic at January 16, 2013 11:59 AM (53z96)
Posted by: tasker at January 16, 2013 11:59 AM (r2PLg)
all its viciously dishonest tricks and manipulations, continues
unabated.
When the wall came down the globe started heating up.
Posted by: eleven at January 16, 2013 03:49 PM (KXm42)
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I and another Vietnam vet talked about that when it was happening. We decided it was one of the smoothest moves that the USSR had attempted. Instead of tanks and troops, they flooded the world with their masses fully steeped in marxist ideology. And it has worked beautifully. Ask anyone of the former West Germany.
Posted by: Soona at January 16, 2013 12:00 PM (jnlKI)
They'd leave off the cloth and actually drown us...if they don't shoot us instead.
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at January 16, 2013 12:00 PM (ZKzrr)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Spike_%281980%29
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at January 16, 2013 12:01 PM (pqkoL)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at January 16, 2013 12:01 PM (VtjlW)
Posted by: Invictus at January 16, 2013 12:01 PM (OQpzc)
Posted by: tasker at January 16, 2013 12:01 PM (r2PLg)
Considering that the majority of the "artists" are high school dropouts or grads, and have "publicists" doing their thinking for them, it would take most of them about 6 months in rehab and an actual education for them to actually express a coherent thought. They are like their "buddy" - narcissists all the way to the bone
Posted by: Mjölnir, the banhammer from the gates of Hell at January 16, 2013 12:01 PM (Jls4P)
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Wily Wrepublican Wench at January 16, 2013 12:01 PM (kXoT0)
103 Yes, I plan to DVR the Americans and watch it--just because it is on FX. I like to give their new series a looksee.
The KGB is on record as having lamented about how many of their 'sleeper agents' embedded here in the US....went native, and decided they liked it here.
For all we know...this could be what that series is about.
Posted by: wheatie at January 16, 2013 12:01 PM (fH4X9)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 16, 2013 12:02 PM (jE38p)
That's because the upper levels of the Soviet never really believed their own propaganda. They were essentially gangsters who in their hearts knew they were gangsters...which meant for us, that they were people who could be dealt with in a rational manner.
The left in this country and around the globe who bought that propaganda, really believe it.
They're Hoffer's "True believers", which means they're irrational and can't be dealt with using rational means.
Posted by: @PurpAv at January 16, 2013 12:02 PM (1Cuor)
Think and scribe all you want...we ain't persuading nobody nohow. Sorry.
Posted by: rukiddingme? at January 16, 2013 03:47 PM (MbeEN)
Emotion. Emotion has always had an edge in convincing people to do something.
What we need is hard hitting PSAs which show examples of Children getting gunned down, and how they are eventually saved by a gun wielding citizen.
THEN WE DEMAND THAT THE GOVERNMENT STOP KILLING CHILDREN BY DEPRIVING THEIR PROTECTORS OF GUNS!!!!!
Emotion is the tool they use. We can use it too, but it's not the first thing a thinker reaches for when trying to convince other people of something.
Posted by: DiogenesLamp at January 16, 2013 12:02 PM (bb5+k)
Posted by: tasker at January 16, 2013 12:02 PM (r2PLg)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 16, 2013 12:03 PM (jE38p)
Posted by: Invictus at January 16, 2013 12:03 PM (OQpzc)
"Although I doubt Christie could infiltrate anything."
I would say he could infiltrate a buffet line, but it'd actually look less like covert action and more like the Mongol Horde sweeping over the steppes and into a Denny's.
Posted by: Jaws at January 16, 2013 12:03 PM (4I3Uo)
"You can't legislate morality."
That actually means 'You can't legislate your morality; I can legislate mine.'
Posted by: Mikey NTH - sees the gods of the copybook headings on the horizon at January 16, 2013 12:03 PM (hLRSq)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at January 16, 2013 12:03 PM (VtjlW)
"Enhanced interrogation."
Let me guess. That's the kind where you actually get some information that kills or captures bad guys and saves innocent lives.
I'm OK with Islamists doing that, not Americans. We are better than that. And I'll sacrifice others to prove it!
*channeling trolls*
Posted by: Meremortal, time to slutdrop the GOPe at January 16, 2013 12:03 PM (1Y+hH)
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at January 16, 2013 12:03 PM (GfHSl)
Posted by: Comrade Arthur at January 16, 2013 12:04 PM (qkP36)
Posted by: Mikey NTH - sees the gods of the copybook headings on the horizon at January 16, 2013 12:04 PM (hLRSq)
Posted by: naturalfake at January 16, 2013 12:04 PM (G9qZk)
Geee. I've turned over a new leaf. I am totally into empirical evidence now. How about releasing your global warming RAW data, as that is empirical evidence. BTW What does empirical evidence say on gun banning? and an entitlement society? What does empirical evidence say about socialism and communism? So do we have good experimental data where they have been tried?
Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at January 16, 2013 12:04 PM (0q2P7)
Please. That piece of skinny trash?
Now if we're talking those chicks from Anna Puma's videos....
Posted by: EC at January 16, 2013 12:04 PM (GQ8sn)
Posted by: tasker at January 16, 2013 12:04 PM (r2PLg)
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at January 16, 2013 12:05 PM (e0xKF)
Posted by: mikulin at January 16, 2013 12:05 PM (vmyXX)
Posted by: gigg at January 16, 2013 12:05 PM (41VCE)
Posted by: Invictus at January 16, 2013 04:01 PM (OQpzc)
this
Posted by: ette at January 16, 2013 12:05 PM (nqBYe)
Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at January 16, 2013 04:04 PM (0q2P7)
Bravo.
Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at January 16, 2013 12:05 PM (zpqa2)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at January 16, 2013 04:03 PM (VtjlW)
Oh yes, he is widely hated. Plus she is talented, but, being ovary impaired will do her in over the long haul. She is fast approaching the age where delicate references to her being difficult because of menopause will be used.
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Wily Wrepublican Wench at January 16, 2013 12:06 PM (kXoT0)
Posted by: Invictus at January 16, 2013 04:01 PM (OQpzc)
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Lenin called them 'useful idiots'. They thought they would be the elite once socialism prevailed in Russia. Instead, they became the first occupants of the Gulag.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at January 16, 2013 12:06 PM (GfHSl)
Posted by: AmishDude at January 16, 2013 12:06 PM (T0NGe)
Posted by: Mikey NTH - sees the gods of the copybook headings on the horizon at January 16, 2013 12:06 PM (hLRSq)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at January 16, 2013 12:06 PM (VtjlW)
Posted by: Fourth Virginia at January 16, 2013 12:08 PM (wbmaj)
I gaze wistfully at my Ryan "Math" sticker on my car every morning, and think of what might have been. No, I guess I'm really not over it yet.
Posted by: pep at January 16, 2013 12:10 PM (6TB1Z)
and wouldn't YOU they are a group that is well off undermining the stability of the system treating them well who do not have legit party bonafides.
They are either traitors for hire, or such naive humans you can't rely on them.
There is no 3d option.
Posted by: sven10077 at January 16, 2013 12:10 PM (LRFds)
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at January 16, 2013 12:10 PM (e0xKF)
Posted by: tasker at January 16, 2013 12:10 PM (r2PLg)
Posted by: rickb223 at January 16, 2013 12:10 PM (GFM2b)
Posted by: Eaton Cox at January 16, 2013 12:10 PM (q177U)
That isn't the only thing.
Posted by: Mrs. Schieffer at January 16, 2013 12:10 PM (6TB1Z)
Except they all believe they will be on the rolls of The Protected.
Erg and his friends will have their skins removed to re-upolster some apparatchik's car.
Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at January 16, 2013 12:10 PM (QKbPo)
We have legislated morality since the beginning of the Republic, and it is all part of our inheritance of British Common Law.
The problem is the to legislate "morality", you usually have the consent of +90% of the people, because the morality involved is all commonly accepted.
Since our culture and society are fracturing terribly, there is no longer a consensus of +90% on any moral issue. There is alway some group of asswipes somewhere who will pose some dumb moral argument about why this particular thing is not "immoral".
Years ago, Phyllis Schlafly (the Eagle Forum, etc) predicted that when homosexuality was mainstreamed and there was gay marriage, the next target would be to legitimize pedophilia. And I recall she made this prediction back in the late '70's or early '80's.
So yeah, let's legislate morality. Because if we don't, they will use the law against us all. We will all be outlaws soon enough.
Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes...... at January 16, 2013 12:10 PM (RFeQD)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at January 16, 2013 12:11 PM (VtjlW)
There is no 3d option.
Posted by: sven10077 at January 16, 2013 04:10 PM (LRFds)
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Plus, they know the truth that they refused to tell.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at January 16, 2013 12:11 PM (GfHSl)
Oscars for a movie generally are a warning for me that some politically correct viewpoint is about to be prominently displayed -- and that if I actually *like* the movie, it is in spite of whatever message(s) they are flogging.
Posted by: GnuBreed at January 16, 2013 12:11 PM (ccXZP)
I'm beginning to realize something horrifying: The West seemed to win the Cold War, but in fact the Stalinists won where it matters, in the mind, and therefore, in history, or at least in history as we mutually agree it should be.
Welcome to the party, ace. Pull up a chair and wait for SMOD.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit [/i][/u][/b] at January 16, 2013 12:11 PM (4df7R)
Fat guys have no problem infiltrating restaurants in NJ. Trust me on this.
Posted by: DaveA at January 16, 2013 12:12 PM (Kr3Y8)
Posted by: ace at January 16, 2013 12:12 PM (LCRYB)
Exhibit 1a: Oliver Stone. Every single film he directed is a ham-fisted fairytale for simpletons.
Platoon:
Bunny: Indy 500 beer drinking redneck.
Barnes: 60's scarface GI ( read conformist) murder-machine.
Elias: Jesus F'n Christ (the weary leftist version of Christ).
Chris: Fish out of water.
Black actors: Cool, hip and wise.
Yeah, nuance.
Posted by: 13times at January 16, 2013 12:12 PM (h6XiD)
Posted by: kbdabear at January 16, 2013 12:12 PM (wwsoB)
Posted by: Roy at January 16, 2013 12:13 PM (VndSC)
The fact that one of products of that propaganda resides in the Whitehouse pretty much seals the deal.
Posted by: @PurpAv at January 16, 2013 12:13 PM (1Cuor)
Posted by: Ian S. at January 16, 2013 12:13 PM (B/VB5)
For those of you who have better things to do, there’s this school of “thought” called “postmodernism” which — kind of like WASPs with mayonnaise — put quotation marks on everything.
"Postmodernism." I'll curse that word in Hell.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit [/i][/u][/b] at January 16, 2013 12:14 PM (4df7R)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 16, 2013 12:14 PM (jE38p)
gee. I'm assuming it's fenstern the blogger of "the guy by the door" where the quote appears.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at January 16, 2013 12:14 PM (0q2P7)
Except they all believe they will be on the rolls of The Protected.
Erg and his friends will have their skins removed to re-upolster some apparatchik's car.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at January 16, 2013 04:10 PM (QKbPo)
The fundamentals of the Left, and what makes them so hard to draw a bead on (I denounce myself) is that they have no rational end-game, unlike the Right. The Left is only about their power addiction, and the end that it produces doesn't matter to them. It always ends in death and destruction, but they-don't-care.
Posted by: tubal at January 16, 2013 12:15 PM (BoE3Z)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at January 16, 2013 12:15 PM (VtjlW)
Funny how the "artists" in Hollywood are actually so utterly predictable.
Posted by: The Regular Guy at January 16, 2013 03:55 PM (qHCyt)
I am disappointed by this because the concept is good and I don't mind anti-heroes. Doing a show about sleeper agents and showing them trying to undermine the US could be quite interesting. Doing a show about hey those Russians were really great, dontcha know? Boring, boring, boring, boring.
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at January 16, 2013 04:01 PM (VtjlW)
If they did it like The Shield, with the commie sleepers being unmitigated slime like Vic Mackie and the Strike Team, and getting the audience to cheer for the murderers, that would make for a pretty damned good anti-hero series. FX has been pretty good with that, like Sons of Anarchy.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at January 16, 2013 12:15 PM (pqkoL)
Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at January 16, 2013 12:16 PM (zpqa2)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 16, 2013 12:16 PM (jE38p)
I have a feeling postmodernism is going to look a lot like premodernism complete with rampant poverty and a feudal society.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at January 16, 2013 12:16 PM (0q2P7)
Posted by: locomotivebreath1901 at January 16, 2013 12:16 PM (tUT9B)
Posted by: dogfish at January 16, 2013 12:16 PM (N2yhW)
It's who I AM, if it MIGHT glean intel that saves lives go for it.
It's usually leftists that don't want anyone to know who they really are, that make sanctimonious statements like that.
......and Juan McStain who is a turd anyway.
Posted by: ontherocks at January 16, 2013 12:17 PM (aZ6ew)
Posted by: Jean at January 16, 2013 12:17 PM (sgNEe)
Posted by: steevy at January 16, 2013 12:17 PM (9XBK2)
Posted by: rickb223 at January 16, 2013 12:17 PM (GFM2b)
Posted by: The Mega Independent[/i] at January 16, 2013 12:17 PM (tAbBJ)
Great post, btw.
Posted by: Ummberto Echo at January 16, 2013 12:17 PM (2IFmf)
Posted by: tasker at January 16, 2013 04:01 PM (r2PLg)
---------------------------------------------------
LOL!
Posted by: Soona at January 16, 2013 12:17 PM (jnlKI)
just imagine one day Roman Polanski will come home to a hero's welcome and laugh at 125+ million US "outlaws"....
yeah like i said that flag needs fewer stars one way or the other, because I am NOT going along for the ride.
"Let us go"
It is in the Bible.
Posted by: sven10077 at January 16, 2013 12:18 PM (LRFds)
Posted by: Thorvald at January 16, 2013 12:18 PM (1V6Pv)
Posted by: Extreme Leftard at January 16, 2013 12:19 PM (dvRYt)
epistemological closure." Neologisms.....integrative complexity.....
I am definately too much of a moron to understand this post.
Posted by: Cheri at January 16, 2013 12:19 PM (G+Wff)
Oscars for a movie generally are a warning for me that some politically correct viewpoint is about to be prominently displayed -- and that if I actually *like* the movie, it is in spite of whatever message(s) they are flogging.
Posted by: GnuBreed at January 16, 2013 04:11 PM (ccXZP)
Kudos for the Unforgiven quote.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at January 16, 2013 12:19 PM (pqkoL)
Posted by: steevy at January 16, 2013 12:19 PM (9XBK2)
Posted by: Clemenza at January 16, 2013 12:19 PM (x59Gv)
Posted by: kbdabear at January 16, 2013 12:20 PM (wwsoB)
Posted by: Clemenza at January 16, 2013 12:21 PM (x59Gv)
I am definately too much of a moron to understand this post.
Posted by: Cheri at January 16, 2013 04:19 PM (G+Wff)
I think I know one.... "integrative complexity" has something to do with the kids Obama used as props.
Posted by: tubal at January 16, 2013 12:21 PM (BoE3Z)
What's your favorite flavor?
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at January 16, 2013 12:21 PM (ZKzrr)
Platoon
Elias and Barns
The "good" guy is a slender bilt, pot smoking, authority challenging character.
The "bad" guy is a masculine, muscular, hard driving, whiskey drinking, authoritarian Southerner.
Yes.... subtle. Like a effin hammer.
Posted by: fixerupper at January 16, 2013 12:21 PM (nELVU)
>>The left is extremely Stalinist and Orwellian about its blatant efforts to influence the future by rewriting the past. The truth seems to mean nothing at all to them; the "truth" is just a lie we mutually agree upon, they believe, so we might as well change history (and science) to make a Better Truth.
So who better to infiltrate and co-opt the education of American children?
Teachers unions are communist incubators.
Posted by: ontherocks at January 16, 2013 12:21 PM (aZ6ew)
Posted by: The littl shyning man at January 16, 2013 12:22 PM (PH+2B)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at January 16, 2013 12:22 PM (VtjlW)
Posted by: Ian S. at January 16, 2013 12:22 PM (B/VB5)
Posted by: steevy at January 16, 2013 04:19 PM
McCain confessed in his 2008 convention speech that this jailers broke him, so I guess it did get them what they wanted.
Posted by: kbdabear at January 16, 2013 12:22 PM (wwsoB)
Posted by: Thorvald at January 16, 2013 12:22 PM (1V6Pv)
Posted by: Clemenza at January 16, 2013 12:22 PM (x59Gv)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 16, 2013 12:23 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at January 16, 2013 04:21 PM (ZKzrr)
----
Does.Not.Matter.
Lime Jello is what you get.
Its in the Articles of Reformation.
Posted by: fixerupper at January 16, 2013 12:23 PM (nELVU)
It's a thought that's been bouncing around my head since the 90s: The Soviets lost the Cold War, but their greatest victory was planting the seeds of our own destruction in our own culture.
Their sick poison found fertile ground in the USA, I'm afraid. The USSR may, in fact, bring us down from beyond the grave.
Posted by: tsj017 at January 16, 2013 12:23 PM (4YUWF)
Well, there is a scene in the movie where the CIA operatives are sitting in a conference room talking, and the TV is on, with TFG being interviewed by Steve Wallace (I think( and TFG is saying that "we do not torture" and that the enhanced interrogation techniques will no longer be allowed. (I think that interview was done shortly after his election).
I saw the movie with my 17 yr old son. He asked me if being a CIA agent was always like that. I told him not always, that in many ways (especially if the movie was anywhere close to accurate) what the agents were doing is similar to what I do as a detective; we pursue evidence, look for clues and piece together cases based upon what we find out. I was pleased when he said "Cool." While in the theatre, there were 2 teenage couples sitting behind us; the 2 girls left the theatre during the opening scene (which featured the enhanced interrogation of a terrorist, including waterboarding). The girls never came back in, and the guys left about 45 minutes into the movie.
Posted by: DaveinNC at January 16, 2013 12:23 PM (boNGU)
Posted by: Truman North at January 16, 2013 12:23 PM (piAb1)
Posted by: BlueStateRepub at January 16, 2013 12:24 PM (7ObY1)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 16, 2013 12:24 PM (XkWWK)
Posted by: Clemenza at January 16, 2013 12:24 PM (x59Gv)
I messed up, the TV series is called "The Americans", not the Russians. Everything else is correct, about them wanting us to root for the KGB.
Still not watching it.
Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at January 16, 2013 12:24 PM (YmPwQ)
Posted by: kbdabear at January 16, 2013 12:24 PM (wwsoB)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at January 16, 2013 12:25 PM (VtjlW)
yup...I was 14 IIRC I liked Barnes.
Fuck Oliver Stoner.
"You're messing with my mil-uh'tarry machine..."
Posted by: sven10077 at January 16, 2013 12:25 PM (LRFds)
Liberalspeak for
"I don't understand my own philosophy"
It's churched up so they don't get their widdle feewings hurt about being too stupud to understand the "why" behind authoritarian collectivism. If that happened how could they go around pretending to be the sooper smartz, so much more so than the rednekz wingnutz?
Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at January 16, 2013 12:25 PM (0q2P7)
Isn't it true that the entire Democrat party is comprised of people who are either Stalinists, or pretty goddamn close?
Didn't Obama stock his admin with Maoists?
How does that happen? Are they nice Maoists? Different than the other Maoists, the bad ones?
How is it that Billy Ayers has such pull in the education system?
Posted by: Rev dr E buzz at January 16, 2013 12:25 PM (raGXo)
It's weird how she's hot for Christie.
Fatty and Skinny
laying in bed
Fatty rolled over
and Skinny was dead
Posted by: wth at January 16, 2013 12:25 PM (wAQA5)
If Abraham Lincoln had had people waterboarded to get them to vote for the 13th Amendment, Hollywood would be falling all over Spielberg for showing it. In fact, they ARE falling all over Spielberg even though his movie shows Lincoln using what amounts to a secret private hit squad to bully, threaten, bribe, and pay off Congressmen (all of whom were Democrats, of course, but that is barely mentioned) to vote for the amendment.
The only reason they hate waterboarding is because George Bush did it. Anyone who thinks the CIA under President Al Gore would not have done the exact same thing after 9/11 is a fucking idiot.
Posted by: rockmom at January 16, 2013 12:25 PM (NYnoe)
Posted by: rickb223 at January 16, 2013 12:25 PM (GFM2b)
oh they also used it as a mild fuck you to the military.
I have a Cmbt Hvy engineer high school buddy getting ready to retire who asked "where's the kids' cape?'
Posted by: sven10077 at January 16, 2013 12:26 PM (LRFds)
Fen was a commenter at Althouse.
Haven't heard from him for a while, but darn it, he did peg them right.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - sees the gods of the copybook headings on the horizon at January 16, 2013 12:26 PM (hLRSq)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 16, 2013 12:28 PM (jE38p)
It glossed over Preznit Awesome's role in the whole thing
Posted by: kbdabear at January 16, 2013 12:28 PM (wwsoB)
Al Gore would have nuked someone I suspect and the world would have begged us to "understand the gravity of his hard, reluctant decision."
We're not a nation ruled by two party's held to one standard, we're two nations and the media allows the other nation when we have the ball to shit themselves and cause such a ruckus when we are in power that they undermine the security of the US.
Time to quit kissing a corpse and figure out a new game.
Posted by: sven10077 at January 16, 2013 12:28 PM (LRFds)
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at January 16, 2013 04:15 PM (pqkoL)
Vic Mackie was a communist?
I mostly recall him being concerned with making things good for Vic Mackie - not income inequality.
Posted by: Mætenloch at January 16, 2013 12:28 PM (pAlYe)
I never got used to it.
Posted by: Pyrocles at January 16, 2013 12:29 PM (cv5Iw)
"we" don't yet...and never will if we will just convert to "the most beautiful sound on the planet" and all....
I'm tired of our nation arming the opfor and allowing brother and sister Christians to be persecuted.
Posted by: sven10077 at January 16, 2013 12:30 PM (LRFds)
It wouldn't shock me if he changes parties.
Although I doubt Christie could infiltrate anything. Posted by: tasker at January 16, 2013 03:55 PM
If Coulter and Christie were walking together, they'd look like the number 10 coming at you
Posted by: kbdabear at January 16, 2013 12:30 PM (wwsoB)
Posted by: sexypig at January 16, 2013 12:30 PM (dZQh7)
Yes, but the people starving and being ground under a boot will do it ironically.
Posted by: pep at January 16, 2013 12:30 PM (6TB1Z)
Posted by: biancaneve at January 16, 2013 12:31 PM (6bYlh)
She caught a break. Apostasy is punished with death per the Koran.
Posted by: @PurpAv at January 16, 2013 12:31 PM (1Cuor)
BTW - will this lime Hell-O have little mushrooms in it? Or is that an Episcopalian thing?
Green Bean casserole anyone?
Posted by: Mikey NTH - sees the gods of the copybook headings on the horizon at January 16, 2013 12:32 PM (hLRSq)
Posted by: Thorvald at January 16, 2013 12:32 PM (1V6Pv)
Yeah well you have not lived until you've had a professor explain to you that a kid from the Parish in louisiana that was overt communist in several precincts somehow produced a "democrat that was really a republican" they are at war with us and the "us" they war with is not real but I don't like the way they look at him.
Posted by: sven10077 at January 16, 2013 12:32 PM (LRFds)
#218 Actually, the Hollywood numbskulls voted for "The Hurt Locker" because they though it made Bush's War look bad, even though it portrayed the soldiers as heroes.
They're all over "Lincoln" this year because they think it's an allegory of their hero Obama having to deal with a horrid Congress full of retrograde rats and racists and needing to trash the Constitution in the name of "justice." Bigelow and Ben Affleck both got snubbed because their movies made the CIA look good. Tom Hooper got snubbed because in "Les Miserables" all the heroic poor people and left wing revolutionaries die.
Posted by: rockmom at January 16, 2013 12:33 PM (NYnoe)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 16, 2013 12:34 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: Count de Monet at January 16, 2013 12:36 PM (BAS5M)
Posted by: rickb223 at January 16, 2013 12:36 PM (GFM2b)
well if you and I are in fact "Kulaks" and in lieu of going to the kennels we get to go to a mundane Gulag comrade I for one cannot wait until the idiot Sierra Club and EPA true believers get murdered by Obama as he decides he needs new hard currency open up the coal mines!
The Soviets had the 2d dirtiest industrial belt on Earth after China.
there are a lot of folks in for a LOT of surprises about what a Paradise it was.
Posted by: sven10077 at January 16, 2013 12:37 PM (LRFds)
Posted by: AmishDude at January 16, 2013 12:38 PM (T0NGe)
Posted by: rockmom at January 16, 2013 12:39 PM (aBlZ1)
Posted by: #6 at January 16, 2013 12:42 PM (KHo8t)
Posted by: Mikey NTH - sees the gods of the copybook headings on the horizon at January 16, 2013 12:43 PM (hLRSq)
Posted by: cardinal fang at January 16, 2013 12:45 PM (Jsiw/)
Posted by: Ian S. at January 16, 2013 12:45 PM (B/VB5)
Posted by: Maurice Bishop's ghost at January 16, 2013 12:47 PM (1Cuor)
Posted by: Mikey NTH - sees the gods of the copybook headings on the horizon at January 16, 2013 04:43 PM (hLRSq)
Face it Flounder, you Hell-O'd *on* Dean Wormer
Posted by: Count de Monet at January 16, 2013 12:47 PM (BAS5M)
Oscar(s).
Nuance.
Posted by: 13times at January 16, 2013 12:48 PM (h6XiD)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 16, 2013 12:48 PM (bxiXv)
I liked Elias and was not happy Barnes killed him, BUT I was just as unhappy Elias turned on Barnes.
Barnes took it personally, and was prepared to win Elias wanted to work within the insane constraints of the political interference.
I spent my youth and early serious scholarship studying communist insurgencies, and I hated the way we lost Vietnam with a passion.
We have turned it into if anything a slightly more effective way of failing as miserably as we are now.
Leave the nation building to God wreck it or take it but don't let them dictate policy to you.
I hate this war.
Posted by: sven10077 at January 16, 2013 12:51 PM (LRFds)
Posted by: cardinal fang at January 16, 2013 12:53 PM (Jsiw/)
Posted by: cajun carrot at January 16, 2013 12:53 PM (UZQM8)
Yup.
I have chased tail with a Russian paratrooper, flirted not to score (I was married then) with a Russian mail order bride and talked to a former soviet hazmat specialist.
I really liked the Sgt, the woman was nice thoughh a bit materialist, and the hazmat guy scared me silly.
I am a light hearted guy about dangerous things as much as possible was raised to have gallows humor all that....
this guy was laughing at our fear of dioxin near water sources etc etc....
well you can always find new well if not you move people to new town and wait for aquifier to clean self.
I swear to God i thought he was a parody like they ran by us in bootcamp of an opfor sympathizer.
Anyway a commie will gladly kill babies by the bushel if it means a few spare cord of lumber for his off the books dacha.
There is NO moral superiority to collectivism and if anything it frees our baser impulses.
Posted by: sven10077 at January 16, 2013 12:56 PM (LRFds)
yeah and Val Plame was a farm girl.
The left loves trying to fool their little sheep with tales of "the evil right wing CIA" but the fact is the donks ran CIA from Birth with maybe 12 years of exceptions civil service wise.
There is a great book waiting to be written about the internal monologue of the farm.
Posted by: sven10077 at January 16, 2013 12:58 PM (LRFds)
Told you so, comrade!
Posted by: The Ghose of Nikita Kruschev at January 16, 2013 01:00 PM (ZWaLo)
'Stalinists won where it matters, in the mind'
Hmm... Almost as if it had been planned that way. The left is nothing, if not patient
Posted by: Steve D at January 16, 2013 01:03 PM (flNRe)
I mostly recall him being concerned with making things good for Vic Mackie - not income inequality.
Posted by: Mætenloch at January 16, 2013 04:28 PM (pAlYe)
Nah. I was just pointing out that the whole point of The Shield was to get the audience to cheer for the cop-killing, corrupt, thieving, raping, backstabbing, ratfucking, murdering antihero main character. Which succeeded in spades.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at January 16, 2013 01:07 PM (pqkoL)
Posted by: Thucydides at January 16, 2013 01:10 PM (YxC+/)
Posted by: Thorvald at January 16, 2013 04:32 PM (1V6Pv)
That was slimeball Stannis Baratheon playing NSA Tom Donilon with that quote. And from the context (his character in ZDT being a weasel, not to mention in real life), it's definitely a sarcastic knife in JugEars' back.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at January 16, 2013 01:11 PM (pqkoL)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 16, 2013 01:17 PM (bxiXv)
Posted by: General Zod at January 16, 2013 01:22 PM (2+bRt)
Posted by: Ghost of Nikita Kruschev at January 16, 2013 02:09 PM (ZWaLo)
I know I'm super late to this thread, and this probably won't be read, but I am rather surprised to see Ace just coming around to the realization of a horror that, once I understood its implications completely, drove me screaming from the left almost 20 years ago.
Posted by: Rusty Nail at January 16, 2013 02:14 PM (WWuYG)
ZERO DARK THIRTY -A very good movie, intense yes.
Posted by: LYNNDH at January 16, 2013 02:49 PM (mr9Ns)
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Posted by: H. at January 16, 2013 03:49 PM (YxC+/)
A hideous thought, but seemingly true.
Posted by: George LeS at January 16, 2013 04:27 PM (C4s3i)
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might want to thwak it.
Posted by: ette at January 16, 2013 11:36 AM (nqBYe)