1 Not just a tone. I think Val jar ordered it.

2 Come on ace, it was just horrible customer service. The IRS will give the Tea Party a coupon for 10% off its next audit.

3 Not just a tone. I think Val Jar ordered it

4 Are we paranoid enough?

5 The buck stops here somewhere else. BHO

6 We need a little "A Few Good Men", who ordered the code red.

7 Is this the new, official IRS hearings thread?

8

We're all  Me  Frong'd, now.

9 This is not the tone we've been searching for.

 

10 Hmmm, dirty tricks done by guys with dirty dicks, big sticks, bad breath, and beady eyes, whodathunit?

11 Impeachment. Now.

12 >>> Not just a tone. I think Val Jar ordered it based on? (BTW, this always seems like a challenge online. I don't mean it as one. I'm actually seeking information! I think you know something I don't and am trying to correct that.)

13 Let the old cop do all the questioning

14

If Noonan says this scandal has disturbed the lib glitterati, we have to believe her. She operates at that crowd's GZ.

15

I guess it's a good thing we have the Peggy Nooner types around. 

 

If it was just "us" saying these things, it might be easier for the Washington spinsters to dismiss the criticism.  But if you've lost Nooner and Krauthammer and... the fat guy, columnist, I forget his name... Frum? 

 

If you've lost those people, and on top  of it have Jon Stewart making fun of you, and Chrissy having lost the leg tingle, it might actually result in some real damage being done to the Scoamf. 

16 Free Nakaola Basseley Nakaola, American patriot and filmmaker extraordinaire!

17 Pretty much what I was saying in the ONT last night.

You won't find any smoking gun marching orders from Obama to anyone in the IRS. Just having a public employee union exercising huge influence over who gets hired and who lasts in the job means they have an easy means of creating agencies that understand the will of the Administration without any direct orders.

18

Peggy Noonan worth reading?

 

Damn.  That's not quite Powerball odds, but close.

19 But he is not unconnected, he is not a bystander. This is his administration. Those are his executive agencies. He runs the IRS and the Justice Department. ------- I dunno. From what little of the hearings I could stomach to watch, it sounded like all the bad actors were Bush appointees. It can hardly be Obama's fault that he's been so focussed on job creation, cleaning up from Bush's mess, that he's not had time to install his own objective, competent appointees.

20 No one in the IRS knows the names of their co-workers. I find that odd.

21 Dirty tricks, done dirt cheap!

22 Look, I just want to get back to polishing shifty shafter's knob.

23 The Three Stooges of D.C.: Redacted, Recused, and Retarded ... aka Hillary, Holder, and SCOAMF

24

13 -

 

Well you now have the IRS chick named, and you can point from her to whomever made the decision to promote her to lead IRS Obamacare henchwoman. 

 

It may not be a smoking gun, but if you connect enough dots the circumstantial evidence becomes compelling enough  to start rolling some White House heads. 

25 This is why Holder's "I don't know" montage is so damning. The lesson that career politicians learned from Watergate was "Don't leave a record." Holder can say anything he wants about the AP phone issue because there is no paper trail. Hell, even his supposed recusal was verbal. As with everything with Obama, the dirty work is done by low-level enthusiastic flunkies. There is never anything to trace it back to the boss man. Joe the Plumber's tax records made public? Just some overly enthusiastic file clerk. Mitt Romney's taxes leaked? Just a bad actor in the IRS. It's not Obama's fault that he's so dreamy that people sacrifice their careers for his benefit. But don't worry guys. Obama is totally going to get to the bottom of why this bad thing happened to his enemies.

26 The pod people on the left communicate telepathically.  No need for smoking gun memos.

27 22 No one in the IRS knows the names of their co-workers. I find that odd. --- We have to wear "scramble suits" in the office so no one can identify us as an IRS agent. That's the only way we can make it in or out of the building without being lynched.

28 > Not just a tone. I think Val Jar ordered it

based on?

(BTW, this always seems like a challenge online. I don't mean it as one. I'm actually seeking information! I think you know something I don't and am trying to correct that.)

Posted by: ace at May 17, 2013 10:50 AM (LCRYB)

What I'd give to see the call-logs of Valerie Jarret's personal phone.

29 Michelle has well toned arms.

30 Jarrett has been increasingly regarded in some places as the true mastermind of the administration. It pretty much relies on a scenario where Obama himself is a figurehead in his own administration, which not everyone can get behind, but it's probably less crazy than some of the things that have been actually established, and frankly I've wondered about it myself for some time. YMMV, naturally.

31 Citizens United is the cause of everything according to the libs.....

32 And of course there's more there. UNPOSSIBLE. We already know there's no there there!

33 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

34 Breaking! What Hillary said on Sept. 12: **** **** **** ******* *** *** ** ********** ******* ********** *** ********* **** *** ******* **** ** ****** * *********** ***** ************ * **** ******** * * ***** ****** [Redacted]

35 based on?  Posted by: ace at May 17, 2013 10:50 AM (LCRYB)

I have no actual knowledge other than the fact that she really is the President, not Barky.  She actually wanted Mooch because she is even dumber and more venal than Barky and she did not have a coke habit and his sexual preference that dare not speak its name (only because he is Black), but, Mooch was extremely unlikable and unelectable.  By 2016, Mooch will have been buffed to a high enough shine to make her a candidate.   I have a hunch that ValJar is looking for a way to hang Hillary so she won't run.  If Mooch runs and wins, then we have 8 more years of ValJar.  By the end of that time, the country is gone.

36 get in their faces.

they are the enemy.

etc, yes tone of the POTUS.

He never acted like He cared about being a President to all america just his fkn groupies.

37 "What I'd give to see the call-logs of Valerie Jarret's" I don't want to see any of Jarrett's logs. Nor any other part of her.

38 Exactly because of the Obama Backstroke, we need to "Prosecute to the fullest extent of the LAW."  Everyone all down the food chain for UNLAWFUL ACTS.  So that the minions will see that Obama does not have their backs!

39 No one in the IRS knows the names of their co-workers. I find that odd. Posted by: Madamex at May 17, 2013 10:53 AM

Let not thy left cubicle know what thy right cubicle is denying.

40 I was hoping you would link Strassel's this morning. I read it before sleeping last night, and first thing I thought of was the way Tucson became about the tone Palin and others set. I sifted through all the archives here to remember details on how that one was handled. It was a frenzy then. We now have a President that urges people to get in our face, along with all the quotes Strassel mentioned. He was quite a bit more explicit in instruction than some commonly used website imagery. You know, if we want to be fair and honest about all this.

41 If Mooch runs and wins, then we have 8 more years of ValJar. By the end of that time, the country is gone. --- You're being optimistic on how long the country can last.

42

The tone didn't start in the White House. It started with the 50 plus percent of   takers who put the SCOAMF in office. Gimme ma Obama-fo.

43

 By 2016, Mooch will have been buffed to a high enough shine to make her a candidate.

 

 

Hahahahaha...

 

**Deep Breath**

 

....Hahahahaha

44

31 -

 

Ask one of the legal beagles around here, but I think it's relatively close to being true that when you work at that level, you don't HAVE a personal phone.  Every phone of yours is essentially open to being  scrutinized by the appropriate oversight committee/grand jury/special prosecutor. 

45 I'd be interested to know a little more about Ms. Ingram's background. My Spidey senses tell me it's possible Sarah Hall Ingram had some relationship with Obama, his campaign, or some other common activity before taking her position at the IRS. It's just a guess.

46 We all know that a bunch of lower level employees didn't come up with this on their own. Obama may not have"personally " ordered it but it was his plan none the less...

47

But that's not how things work in post-Watergate Washington. Mr. Obama didn't need to pick up the phone. All he needed to do was exactly what he did do, in full view, for three years: Publicly suggest that conservative political groups were engaged in nefarious deeds; publicly call out by name political opponents whom he'd like to see harassed; and publicly have his party pressure the IRS to take action.

 

No, I don't believe that.  It sounds plausible until you realize that these are PMITA Prison offenses committed by the IRS (if anyone wanted to take it that far).  Oh, some would still do it, but I don't believe that everyone even in the IRS is an Obama True Believer- which they'd have to be (as low-level staffers) to throw themselves on their swords.

 

No, I think it started in the high levels of the Executive Branch.  My guess is Turbo-Tax Timmy, probably with full knowledge and approval of at least Valerie Jarret, and probably also TFG himself.

48 The only way I would give Obama the benefit of the doubt on any of this is if he appoints a special prosecutor. Oh wait he already said no to that but he promised seriously to investigate himself really hard. This is why I always had a problem with some people on the right going out of their way to be nice or give this guy the benefit of the doubt after he won in 2008. The evidence that this guy was a fucking douchebag was already out there, and you want to go play pretend games after he won so left wing people who hate your guts will like you. For fuck sake this asshole sat in a racist church for 20 years, do you really fucking believe anymore that any of this shit is by chance?

49 When does the hearing resume?

50 Fuck Peggy Noonan.  Old bitty went all-in for Obama in 2008.  Hang it up.

51 Peggy Noonan sucked his dick and voted for him.  Both times.

Bitch needs to shut up.

52 The By Stander in Chief stood by while Americans were killed in Benghazi, stood by while the IRS was used a weapon to suppress free speech, and stood by while pen registers were activated to punish the people who deprived him of his big announcement about suppressing terrorism.

53 The point I haven't seen mentioned in the MSM or by Ace is this: the Dem's were engaged in a massive voter suppression effort prior to the 2012 election. Obama and his advisors knew he could not win with his crappy record unless he massively held down turnout. Hence, the attacks on the Tea Party's.

54

49 I'd be interested to know a little more about Ms. Ingram's background

 

 

I hope to see in a few years that her background includes a stint at  a Federal prison

55 58 The By Stander in Chief stood by while Americans were killed in Benghazi, stood by while the IRS was used a weapon to suppress free speech, and stood by while pen registers were activated to punish the people who deprived him of his big announcement about suppressing terrorism. Posted by: WalrusRex at May 17, 2013 11:00 AM (Hx5uv) Pretty much sums that up for me...

56 The reputation of the Obama White House has, among conservatives, gone from sketchy to sinister, and, among liberals, from unsatisfying to dangerous.


"Sketchy"???

Depend on Peggy Noonan to have absolutely no fucking clue about what conservatives felt about O'Fuckstick even before Scandalpalooza broke.

57 The testimony was that there were no "progressive" buzz words used for targeting. Game. Set. Match.

58 Exactly. obama set the tone, called out conservatives, and set leading dems in the senate on them. And now he professes surprise? Bite me you cock sucker

59 There's a Valerie Jarrett " quote" being passed around FB. Anyone know the one I mean? She basically promises to go after conservatives by any means necessary now that reelection is done. True quote?

60 Psst! Sir, you realize I'm a man of character, courage, and honor, I hope, one who respects my commander's charges even while having no respect for the commander himself. I'm proving it right now.

61 47.   By 2016, Mooch will have been buffed to a high enough shine to make her a candidate.

Do they make a nuclear fusion sandblaster yet?

62 Peggy Noonan is also worth reading. Peggy Noonan is never worth reading.

63

Peggy Noonan is never worth reading.

 

Certainly not on purpose for at least the last 5 years.

64 "If I had an IRS, it would look like this" 

65 Peggy Noonan is a fag and her shit's all retarded.

66 Reading   Peggy Noonan is like  reading Maureen Dowd without the impetulant bitchiness and bad writing.

67 66 There's a Valerie Jarrett " quote" being passed around FB. Anyone know the one I mean? She basically promises to go after conservatives by any means necessary now that reelection is done. True quote? --- If it is the one stating that they are taking names and there will be payback after the election, it was one that was floating around in 2012 when it looked like Obama was on the ropes.

68 Doggett doubles down on IRS merits-based defense.

69 By the end of that time, the country is gone. Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes C'est Magnifique at May 17, 2013 10:56 AM (kXoT0) ------------------------------------------------------------ I think at this point the country is pretty well gone now. Any administration can overtly use powerful agencies against citizens they deem "the other". Yeah, it's pretty well over. Ace is right. We now have a government with a country and not the other way around.

70 Was thinking along the lines of the Union influence.  IRS heavily unionized, and by default, the leadership of the union in the bag for the donks, esp Obama.  Overwhelming donations by IRS employees to Obama.  Then, this scandal.

IS this the opening , at the end of the day, for a as good an argument that could be made that allowing public employee unions has become incestuous with the democratic party and the lines are too blurry to pass muster. 

Obviously several IRS management and employees saw no problem targeting enemies of the state.  Anyone who was audited between 2009 and 2012 should be able to get a hearing in front of a review panel to independently determine if the audit smells of politics and regardless of the outcome of the audit, the Government should pay the fees associated with the audit if the panel so deems.

71 Peggy Noonan had a very good piece last week, too. Remember she's a lifer, Obama leaves the scene in 3 years.

72 Fucking Noonan. Bitch finally woke the fuck up and sees what was plain as day 5+ years ago to anyone with a working brain cell? STFU imbecile.

73 I'm shocked! Shocked, I say! This shit is outrageous! It's a good thing no one can connect this to me! TFG ............... Ya know.. this goes back to what I've been saying for years. None of this will go back to Obama. He comes from Chicago.. one of the most politically corrupt cities on this earth. While all of Richie Daley's henchmen were getting sentenced to time in the federal pen, nothing ever got close to him. Why? As Peggy Noonan said, ever since Watergate the game has changed. As the thug in the Godfather II movie testified before Congress: "We got buffers".. So, all you guys who are calling for impeachment should lighten up.. this will never reach Obama.. Valerie Jarret is his buffer.. and she's got buffers upon buffers.. she grew up in Chicago politics.

74 Not sure if this applies to pointless hearings or this corrupt and inept administration.  Perhaps both, the adage of too many cooks.  Or is that crooks?

http://www.ufunk.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Kitchen-Fighter-8.jpg

75 A reminder of what passes for insight from Peggy Noonan:

He has within him the possibility to change the direction and tone of American foreign policy, which need changing; his rise will serve as a practical rebuke to the past five years, which need rebuking; his victory would provide a fresh start in a nation in which a fresh start would come as a national relief. He climbed steep stairs, born off the continent with no father to guide, a dreamy, abandoning mother, mixed race, no connections. He rose with guts and gifts. He is steady, calm, and, in terms of the execution of his political ascent, still the primary and almost only area in which his executive abilities can be discerned, he shows good judgment in terms of whom to hire and consult, what steps to take and moves to make.

http://tinyurl.com/57va9v

76 the dirty work is done by low-level enthusiastic flunkies. There is never anything to trace it back to the boss man.

As any Mafia boss could tell you.  He sets the tone, and the underlings who want to get the boss's attention push the envelope in order to do so.  Each one does a bit more, hoping that it won't be him who is the fall guy when the music stops.  Barry knows this, of course, but as long as there's no fallout, he'll let things keep going.  As soon as there is a problem, the last guy who transgressed will be the goat.

77 "57 Peggy Noonan sucked his dick and voted for him. Both times." I know she voted for him the first time, but the second? I hadn't heard that.

78 Peggy Noonan is a fag and her shit's all retarded.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at May 17, 2013 11:05 AM (ZPrif) 

*

heheheh.

79 When did the IRS become more secretive and nefarious than the CIA?

Grandpappy done told me, sometimes you just have to put an aggressive dog down before it develops a taste for chicken.

80 "57 Peggy Noonan sucked his dick and voted for him. Both times."

**

Doh!! twice?? now your just startin interwed rumors.

81

Of course, that "Will someone rid me of..." quote doesn't quite get it.  King Henry was actually quite upset when Becket died, and (IIRC) had the offenders stripped of lands and title, and exiled.  Then he submitted himself to the Church for punishment.

 

Do you believe that Barack Obama feels any similar amount of remorse, or that he would do any similar act of contrition?  Of course not.  This is not someone letting out a statement of vexation and someone running with it.  This was a deliberate strategy.  Even if (and it's a big f*cking "if") he had no prior knowledge of it, he deliberately set out to make Conservatives "the enemy."  You don't get to be surprised when people on your side work in opposition of "the enemy."

82

So every swinging dick in this country has to risk self-incrimination by signing a tax form that reflects a tax code that is contradictory and written in lawyer-ese, but the AG doesn't have to put the decisions and directives to his department down on paper?   Wow, that's a great way to be able to enslave the country!

 

Except slaves don't have guns.  This is not going to end well.

83 Peggy Noonan has never been worth reading.

84 Noonan never recovered from Bush letting her go... He either wanted fresh new ideas or someone who isn't plastered by 10 am every day...

85 I looking forward to the Sunday spin, that this is a rogue group that has been contained and there is no greater lesson to be learned. These are the people that will campaign on Sally in South Dakota that got paid 30 percent less than Larry, so we have to pass a law. Terri got cancer in St. Louis and didn't have coverage. She died and was buried in an Obama shirt, so we are obligated to ram Obamacare through. All they do is tell anecdotes, to reinforce that we must pass a chosen law through and do it now. There is always a grander lesson to be learned. Again, Tucson. Some lunatic goes on a rampage, and that means Palin and Limbaugh need to be silenced. Two key differences here. No matter what they say, this is systemic at the IRS, not anecdotal. Also, you have a lot more options when wronged by business and private individuals. If you aren't getting paid what you think you should, you have the entire job market to search through. If you don't have insurance, you can work towards getting it or you can lean on charitable organizations. Not ideal, but there are options. What exactly is your recourse when the IRS decides to put the screws to you?

86 Noonan, Brooks, Scarborough, Frum, et al, all can remember being conservatives. This memory is all they have left but it's warm and fuzzy and very malleable.

87 The President enjoyed a patina of high mindedness? On what planet? The one where you bought the hype and drank the Koolaid in 2008, Peggy?

alt post: Yeah, Choom Boy loves his high mindedess.

To anyone paying attention to the last five years, this admin has been corrupt as hell.

88 Our wise and multiracial President, Barack Obama, who all correctly-thinking persons support completely, is entitled to set whatever tone he wishes. You right-wing racist haters can sit back in your trailer parks cooking meth and having sex with your underage relatives, and it will not change the fact that you have been and will be ruled by your betters. He will never be impeached. He will never resign, and I still hold out hope that that pesky amendment can be sidestepped and he will take a third term.

89 If I were some of those "low" level employees, I would be getting me a lawyer right about now.... And as a PS of sorts...How come obama is never responsible for anything that happens under his regime? Why was Bush responsible for everything in his administration?... Never mind I already know the answer...

90 Simple problem: JEF thinks the the responsibilities of being President are: - wake up around 10 AM... or later, if you had a long night of partying with celebrities - Work Day= Campaigning (no more than 1 day a week in off seasons, no more than 3 in election years) - All Other Days= Golf and/ or party with celebrities - 3 months of "work" earns 3 weeks of vacation This fuck has never been responsible for anything in his entire life. LIVs need to begin understanding that that matters.

91 Citizens United comes down Jan 2010. The JEF says its gonna stop him from implementing his agenda, especially Obamacare, and cost them the midterms. He can't stop talking about it. He does two radio speeches about it. Val Jar goes to Kennedy School of Business at Harvard and is caught on mic talking. She says they are gonna get around citizens united. This is the same talk where she famously says that after the election, there is gonna be "payback". The mystery email is then sent on Feb 25, 2010. Then Schumer starts sending letters to the IRS demanding scrutiny and asking the same sort of questions the IRS eventually did. Val jar is his "cleaner". Always has been. She was tasked to clean up the citizens united problem. She did

92 That's DARTH ValJar, to you.

93

A president sets a mood, a tone. He establishes an atmosphere. If he is arrogant, arrogance spreads. If he is to too partisan, too disrespecting of political adversaries, that spreads too. Presidents always undo themselves and then blame it on the third guy in the last row in the sleepy agency across town.

 

It's almost as if the President is the leader.

 

Nah.

94 I think that it is often overlooked but well worth pointing out that for all the caterwauling about astroturf and the Koch brothers for 3 years, they have found nothing. It wasn't just Media Matters or the Daily Kos who was trying to prove this conspiracy. The full force of the Federal Government was busy snooping into the tax records, meeting minutes, reading list, transcript, membership list and private thoughts of every Tea Party member they could find. Despite this, they didn't find a Koch inspired conspiracy. Much to the IRS's horror, they found a bunch of honest people participating in politics for the first time because they were suspicious of government power and those suspicions were immediately confirmed by an IRS that sought to serve a politician rather than the people.

95 #52

They didn't need to be Obama True Believers. By virtue of having to rise in the ranks via the public employees union featured in a post yesterday, it was guaranteed that the IRS would be stuffed full of people who look upon small government conservatives as their enemies. They don't have to especially like Obama to be on the same as to what kinds of organizations need to be attacked and suppressed.

Public employee unions are a form of corruption that bend government organizations leftward. Even a saint of the left like FDR knew this was a bad idea for government and and stood against unionization of government employees while at the same time granting absurd federal protections for unions in the private sector.

96 I think Vallerie Jarret meant it when she said:

"After we win this election, itÂ’s our turn. Payback time. Everyone not with us is against us and they better be ready because we donÂ’t forget. The ones who helped us will be rewarded, the ones who opposed us will get what they deserve. There is going to be hell to pay. Congress wonÂ’t be a problem for us this time. No election to worry about after this is over and we have two judges ready to go."

The Left feels confident, maybe too confident, and are trying to put the nail in the coffin of their enemies for good.

97 Welcome to the party, Peggy. I'd take you more seriously if you had figured out that Obama was untrustworthy about 5 years ago.

98 It's amazing how much the Low Level Employee (LLE) can get away with in the government.

I work for a county government and I am a LLE and I can't even order pens without a supervisors approval.

The stench of shit is coming directly from the WH.  And yes, I do believe ValJar is involved.  She has her fingers (pardon the revolting expression) in all matters pertaining to The One.

99 The smart crooks in government know to never write anything down. Everything is face to face. Like the mafia.

100

I'd take you more seriously if you had figured out that Obama was untrustworthy about 5 years ago.

 

I'll grant the ancient lush the mistake 5 years ago.  The fact that she was still making it last year is unforgivable.  Reading the snippet ace linked, she's still making it.

 

Read that passive voice again.  "Oh, he didn't do anything wrong- it was just his attitude.  Tut, tut.  They all do it, though, so we can't blame him."

101 I tend to think (without proof) that there was some sort of direct order from the White House because, unlike other agency directives, the specific targeting of political enemies is a Huge Scandal for the IRS and they must be in fear that they will be found out. This doesn't appear to be 100 low-level employees acting completely independently but in concert with their political persuasion. There was some coordination. Someone had to feel that this would never come out. That no one, anywhere, would ever find out. I just remember that the IRS gave the same excuses during the Clinton administration. "Oh, gosh, they were just in the news." Another thing that works in favor of coordination was the Citizens United ruling. The donks went apeshit over it, but even rank-and-file liberals didn't latch on to anything other than the "corporations are people" business. That would imply a high level of engagement and sophistication among IRS employees.

102 All you have to do to figure a President out is to look at the quality of the people he appoints. All of Pressy Shultzes appointees are Stalin's rectal extrusions. Nuff said. There it is. How stupid can you be?

103 One reason to force government to spread around is so they have to communicate more by email so we have a record.

104 99

Mary!

We've missed you.  Have you come out of hibernation?  Make sure you get a good wax at the salon.

105 Okay this is pretty and funny.  The Disney Sailor Senshi
http://www.ufunk.net/illustration/sailor-disney-princess/

106
Let me give my recommendation to read that Noonan article also.  Spot on.

And the first one two, do you remember how Homeland Security called out "Patriot Groups" and 2nd Amendment Supporters as potential terrorists, but not Radical Muslims?

It is systemic and rotten from the head down.

107 where are any good guys? are there any that actually KNOW what is going on and will come out and talk to us?

108 The key question now is who will take the fall.  That ignorant lying shit on the hearings this morning does not go high enough.  Will the ratface Iranian scrunt get the ax?  Will the HOuse leadership finazlly grow some nads and draft impeachment proceedings and let the Senate Dems squash it?

109 Yup, that's the quote.

110

"We were only following vague hints and suggestions."

 

-Obama Administration Low-Level Employee

111 "the reputation of the Obama White House has, among conservatives, gone from sketchy to sinister, and, among liberals, from unsatisfying to dangerous."

Huh? Liberal groups love this shit.

112 The most powerful man in the world was powerless to detect or stop any of this.

113 the dems are still. for all intent and purposes, covering for obama to one degree or another. Fuck them

114 That would imply a high level of engagement and sophistication among IRS employees. Posted by: AmishDude

Which most of them don't have I would add.

115 Here's what I can't figure out.. you always get the higher ups by leaning on the low level guys. Why does this never work in government corruption? Of course, Eric Holder is the investigator, so there's that. So, we need an independent investigator to start leaning on the underlings in exchange for immunity.

116

Dear Vallerie Jarret,

 

I agree payback is a bitch. 2014 election cycle will be landslide defeat for you and your President. 

 

 

 

117 Except slaves don't have guns. This is not going to end well. Posted by: Minuteman at May 17, 2013 11:08 AM (YOWAW) Give it a few more months. Neither will we. Appropriate I guess, since citizens are now, in all respects, nothing more than slaves to our government masters. Everyone, turn off your TVs and get back to picking cotton, or whatever else you do. You've got tax revenue to generate and unions to fund. When you don't get your bread and cheese, remember, it's your fault. Should have been paying taxes,"donating" to politicians and HHS, and volunteering what's left of your time to progressive causes. Get back to it! Obama's golf and vacations ain't gonna pay for themselves!

118 The most powerful man in the world was powerless to detect or stop any of this. Posted by: @PurpAv at May 17, 2013 11:16 AM (/gHaE) He knows NOTHING, but of course he took full credit for getting bin ladin

119

All he needed to do was exactly what he did do, in full view, for three years: Publicly suggest that conservative political groups...

 

...are illegitimate. This is the MSM  narrative too. There is no such thing as a legitimate  conservative  activist.  They are either  duped stooges or sinister  front groups.

 

Even now, the ENTIRE coverage is about 'how much mileage can Republicans get out of this.' With an air of 'this should play out soon.'

120 The IRS IG found no political motivation cause he stopped at the IRS. He couldn't question Val Jar

121 I blame Peggy Noonan, et al who voted this Bozo in the first time (and probably the 2nd too). No excuses for that crowd. A President that refers to those that disagree with him as "enemies" has more than set a tone and acted arrogantly.

122

where are any good guys? are there any that actually KNOW what is going on and will come out and talk to us?

 

No.  All the good guys who are worth anythign aren't in Washington (a very few exceptions exist) and the good guys who *are* in Washington don't know what was going on.

123 So Obama is

a) An incompetent boob who can't see what's going on in his own administration

b) A fascist fuck

Take your pick liberals.

124 My personal dream is ValJar asking this question.

"Do these prison stripes make my ass look fat?"

125 The inverse of what happened with Nixon.  Nixon speculated that he wished he could have the IRS look into his political opponents, but didn't do it.  And when it came out the IRS said he'd never do that.  Obama and his minions said they think their opponents should be looked at and the IRS said "Yessir boss right away sir!"

126 "We were only following vague hints and suggestions."

-Obama Administration Low-Level Employee

Do you mean penumbral emanations?  Because I've heard those can be quite compelling.

127 132 I blame Peggy Noonan, et al who voted this Bozo in the first time (and probably the 2nd too). No excuses for that crowd. A President that refers to those that disagree with him as "enemies" has more than set a tone and acted arrogantly.

Posted by: SharonW at May 17, 2013 11:18 AM (DqBmK)

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White guilt trumped all for her, Kathy Parker, David Frum, etc. They're not stupid. They knew who Obama was. They didn't care. Voting for a black president was all that mattered.

128 No political motivation?

129 Cicero's Nooner quote seems like quite a lot of hand-waving and wishful thinking in hindsight.

Or even at the time, if you weren't a DC cocktail circuit shit-for-brains.

130 "where are any good guys?" They're Republican governors, supplying their states with budget surpluses. That's where they are.

131 Valerie Jarett is a type of  Weasel.

132 All he needed to do was exactly what he did do, in full view, for three years: Publicly suggest that conservative political groups were engaged in nefarious deeds; publicly call out by name political opponents whom he'd like to see harassed;

He created a climate of hate, if you will, right progressives?

133 141 "where are any good guys?" In the IRS obviously not too many. I read somewhere that their donations were 80% to Dems, so that answers that...

134 I'm suspicious of Val Jar because we know she was the mastermind behind the horrific "lets force Catholics to pay for abortion" scheme. Someone sent that redacted email, and my momey is on her. She is a nasty, vile partisan.

135

They're not stupid. They knew who Obama was. They didn't care.

 

I would say that's the very definition of "stupid."

 

They weren't ignorant (they knew who he was, and what they were doing).

The weren't unaware (again- they knew his agenda, and decided that price wasn't too high to have the "first black president.")

 

When you do something you know will end badly, that's pretty well the definition of *stupid*.

136 Agreed that Obama set the tone, the public record of this is well documented, but the Benghazi, IRS, DOJ, and HHS scandals are much simpler to explain and require no vast conspiracy: this is just what large, bureaucratic organizations do. They are, perhaps, influenced on which groups to target based on the guy at the top, but this sort of tyrannical behavior is in the nature of the beast that is 'government'.

137

"But Government is just too big, you guys!" - David Axelrod on Obama's apparent blindness

 

"Oh, and we're working day and night to make it bigger."

138 There is no Red America or Blue America but.... wait, wut?

139

>>>Do you mean penumbral emanations? Because I've heard those can be quite compelling.

 

 

In addition to be nearly impossible to wash out of your hair.

140

You won't find any smoking gun marching orders from Obama to anyone in the IRS. Just having a public employee union exercising huge influence over who gets hired and who lasts in the job means they have an easy means of creating agencies that understand the will of the Administration without any direct orders.

 

No one explicitly orders geese to fly south for the winter, either. They just know the score.

141 "In the IRS obviously not too many. I read somewhere that their donations were 80% to Dems, so that answers that..." True believers in government go to work for it. The people that would try to keep it in check have been worn down. The thing has just finally reached critical mass.

142 Peggy Noonan called Sarah Palin "vulgar," way back when. Unbeknownst to Noonan (though she be elite in all respects), she unwittingly slapped the core of democracy in so doing. Vulgar comes from the same Latin word "vulgaris" meaning "pertaining to the common people." There are a few who live in the D.C./NYC media corridor who don't succumb to Platonic elitism (Charles Krauthammer, for one) but they be few indeed.

143 We're screwed.

144

White guilt trumped all for her, Kathy Parker, David Frum, etc. They're not stupid. They knew who Obama was. They didn't care. Voting for a black president was all that mattered.

 

BEING SEEN  as supporting a black  man for president was all that mattered. Or, at least not opposing him as one would a white  Leftist.  It's all about appearance.  That is the essence of the political correctness that defines Obama's rise.

145 Using public employee unions to stuff government agencies full of people who can be counted upon to either behave a certain way or not object when a colleague does, is just another manifestation of 'the march through the institutions.'

146 " 152 You won't find any smoking gun marching orders from Obama to anyone in the IRS." Ahem.

147 @156
Spot on.

148 My personal dream is ValJar asking this question.

"Do these prison stripes make my ass look fat?"

Posted by: mpfs, Low Level Employee at May 17, 2013 11:19 AM (iYbLN)

My favorite dream photo is of ValJar surrendering her Birkin bag with the nuclear codes in it to the arresting officer, who then faints when he realizes what was in her purse all that time.

149 For the likes of Noonan and Frum the question to ask is, "So do you think you can still control these guys?"

150 Questioning that weasel miller now about that other weasel Ingram.

151

The only thing I can think of that tempers (a little) my suspicions re the Obama Administration is the "Joe the Plumber" scandal, which took place before Obama was in office. Clearly we have to clean house in the IRS, among other places.

 

Oh, and outlaw ALL public sector unions, at all levels of government.

152 This testimony is really mind blowing. They all act like they know nothing

153 Consider this. Obama, Holder, Shrillary, Jarrett for sure, and most all others in high places in this or any other administration, NEVER WRITE ANYTHING DOWN. Only signatures or initials, and only placed very very carefully on done deals. They read, they listen, they talk behind closed doors with nothing being recorded, but they leave no trail. Thus there is always always plausible deniability.

154 Has anyone yet juxtaposed this abuse of government power with Obama's risible assertion that those wary of tyranny were way off base?

155 Look, group think is how this happened.  The IRS and other agencies have a culture that has been carefully shaped to allow corruption for the good of the "correct sorts of people".  Any really large city's government is a microcosm of this.  Everybody cynically laughs about the Dim machine rigging elections in Chicago and thus the whole state of Illinois, but, nothing ever gets done about it because it is too endemic and too ingrained.  Step out of line and you get dead or your family gets threatened or dead or you get to be unemployed and unemployable because the word goes out to not hire a troublemaker.  Functionally, we are not far from living under a Liberal Theocracy where only correct thinking folks will be allowed to flourish.  We ridicule Ahmadinejad and the theocracy that is Iran, but, Obama is the same guy only with a far bigger country at his disposal.

156 164This testimony is really mind blowing. They all act like they know nothing

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 17, 2013 11:31 AM (9Bj8R)

They figure it is better to appear stupid and innocent than smart and guilty.

157 Any answers yet on that meeting scrubbed from the IGs report?

158 Just like Obama.

159 I worked for a government agency and low level employees do NOTHING without orders or direction.

160

Oh, and outlaw ALL public sector unions, at all levels of government.

 

Democrats must giggle every election that goes by the Republicans don't do this. Public sector unions are never-ending Democratic Campaign Operations that were indefensible BEFORE their pension largesse drove up state and local taxes more than any other single cause.

 

Is it not true that local  property taxes are the largest single tax a family pays?Public sector pensions are the main driver  of property tax increases, for school districts and municipalities.  Maybe the GOP can work with that?

161 WTF is Blunauer? Green bike on lapel? Oh....now he's covering for IRS...nevermind.

162 Why do we need an IRS office to pre-clear organizations for tax-free status; claim it and if later it is proven otherwise -- prosecute.

163 it's gonna get messy in that congressional room with all the dem congressmen jerking off each time they talk

164 174Why do we need an IRS office to pre-clear organizations for tax-free status; claim it and if later it is proven otherwise -- prosecute.

Posted by: Jean at May 17, 2013 11:37 AM (CMlD4)

Given how they run the IRS, we'd have a lot of unfair prosecutions.  I'd rather be able to catch this misconduct in the approval stage rather than the damage stage.

165

Liberal narrative:

 

* The IRS thing was caused  by Citizens United, which  caused a major increase in political groups trying to get illegitimate tax-exempt status. The reason the right was targeted more was that there was a great increase in right/tea party groups at the time.

 

*The AP phone  thing was an effort to track down who released information that put Americans at risk.

 

I'm not too worked up  over the AP thing. But we're going to need good responses to both.

 

 

166

Mike Hendrix over at Cold Fury nails it:

 

I seriously doubt “liberals” are afraid so much as they are annoyed. They know quite well that even this will amount to not a derailment of the Big Government juggernaut, but a temporary detour, a trip down a sidetrack that loops back into the main line shortly, destination: fascism, the absolute power and control they’ve dreamed of and worked toward–mostly successfully–since the turn of the 20th century.

 

It’s going to take more than any mere “scandal” to stop them. Their massive, monstrous State is never going to “implode.” It will have to be actively, laboriously dismantled, piece by piece, against the forceful opposition of every department, every bureaucracy, every union, every enforcement officer, and every “elected” official serving in it. Failing that, it will still be there, waiting, once this all blows over and the Progressivist engineers are ready to get back underway.

 

I donÂ’t have any answers. IÂ’m not even sure there are any.

 

The answer, IMO, is war.  And it's a war we will not win, because too many of our "countrymen" will betray or denounce anyone rather than incur the fury of the State.  Our futue is to be murdered, with 52% cheering it on and a majority of the 48% praying they can stay out of the way.  The only saving grace is that I'm likely to die before the Endlosung really gets underway.

167 The key factor in Chicago style thug politics is gun control; the union goons are loath to push around armed people.

Now you know why gun control is such a key issue for this administration.

168 stop pussyfooting around the issues "set the tone". does anyone honestly believe that the whitehouse didn't know about this? this is impeachable in every sense of the word. and this is far, far worse than watergate ever was. this isn't just a man paranoid of being the target of foul play as he had been in the past but a wholesale conspiracy to thwart all political opposition using the power of the government to do it. the very definition of high crimes. and singling out certain groups for onerous delays in their application process doesn't even come close to the use of IRS audits against political opponents, which seems to be very much the case.

169 There will be smoking guns, they just won't be in official communications. 

Somewhere, there's gonna be a bunch of mid-level GS-12 types halfway into their careers who needed some get out of jail free "insurance" knowing they could be attacked from above and below for what was going on and knew this was sketchy shit.

Every laptop for the past 10 years has been equipped with a mic and sound recording software.  Its too easy to simply click on record when you sense something sketchy is about to be discussed. 

Similarly, all reasonably smart phones since Obama took office have VOX activated record capability.  Not to hard to turn on the VOX and just stick it in your pocket and record the sketchiness.

There's hundreds of smoking guns out there, but they're on USB memory sticks or burned onto a CD and tucked away in safe places for when the shit really starts flowing and immunity deals need to be made.

170 #171   I worked for a government agency and low level employees do NOTHING without orders or direction.

For over 12 years, that was my experience as well.  And the grunts (I was one of them) always ask for the direction in writing because there is a bus coming along every 10 minutes that management will gleefully throw you under.  The silence of the front line workers will not last very long unless they are very well taken care of.

171

I worked for a government agency and low level employees do NOTHING without orders or direction.

 

Government employees are well-known for their initiative.

172 There's hundreds of smoking guns out there, but they're on USB memory sticks or burned onto a CD and tucked away in safe places for when the shit really starts flowing and immunity deals need to be made. Posted by: @PurpAv at May 17, 2013 11:44 AM (/gHaE) As a member of SBVFT, I recall (rumored on the site) that there was an individual who had J Fn' Kerry's original discharge records and was willing to release them and "do the time" if Kerry had won. That info was "in the final 24 hours" of that election. I have less confidence about that type of patriotic sacrifice in these days, but we could always hope.

173 I worked for a government agency and low level employees do NOTHING without orders or direction.

For over 12 years, that was my experience as well. And the grunts (I was one of them) always ask for the direction in writing because there is a bus coming along every 10 minutes that management will gleefully throw you under. The silence of the front line workers will not last very long unless they are very well taken care of.
^^^^THIS

I understand the line of thinking that assumes that there was never a need to give actual orders to the foot soldiers in these agencies (not just the IRS), but it's just highly unlikely that low to mid-level employees/managers did this without being told to do it. Even being true believers, I'm sure these employees were in no mood to risk their positions on a crusade knowing all along that outside the doors lay the Obama economy beckoning with outstretched talons.

174 49 I'd be interested to know a little more about Ms. Ingram's background.

My Spidey senses tell me it's possible Sarah Hall Ingram had some relationship with Obama, his campaign, or some other common activity before taking her position at the IRS.

It's just a guess.

Posted by: Jimmy from Texas at May 17, 2013 10:58 AM (tUNlY)

Husband and self big Obama supporters and donors.  Husband, atty, whose firm held Obama register to vote events etc.  Partner from his law firm now Ambassador to Singapore, useful for high tech visas, etc., but otherwise very plush post. 

175 And it's a war we will not win

I wouldn't be too sure of that. This is the 21st century - the era of asymmetrical warfare.

As Heinlein pointed out war is the extension of politics by force. The question is when to talk and when to fight.

Right now we are still in the talking phase - that is preferable to being in the fighting stage. Things could still work out. Benghazi is the real administration killer - here is where the commander in chief's fingerprints can be found on the smoking gun, and the White House knows it.

Who ordered the stand down?

176 Bush appointed most of people working at the IRS. It is his fault and he should be questioned about his role.

177

Bush appointed most of people working at the IRS. It is his fault and he should be questioned about his role.

 

Bush - responsible for all of earth's ills. Yawn.

178 Obama's repeated and unchallenged assertion that the IRS is an "independent agency" is just so much bullshit.

An independent agency is one whose leadership is not under a cabinet officer and whose leader the President has limited powers to dismiss. Neither is the case with the IRS.  In fact, neither whitehouse.gov nor usa.gov  list the IRS as being an independent agency. 

In short, Obama is either talking out of his ass or is lying when he says the IRS is an independent agency.

179 The reason that the Benghazi "Who ordered the stand down?" question is so critical is that the Progs can't blame this on some Lt. and a bunch of privates. We know we are already at the 4 star general level to begin with. There simply aren't many levels to go through before you get to the POTUS.

180 Dame Peggy Noonan is not worth reading, ever. 

181 So it's now obvious that the criteria of working for the IRS is that you have no compunction to follow the law.  Great.  Any questions?

182 ***The lesson that career politicians learned from Watergate was "Don't leave a record."*** Are you kidding? David Irving's repeated failure to find a formal kill-the-Jews order signed by Hitler indicates that this has been operating as far back as Wannsee. Of course Irving allowed this failure to take his head to some very, very wrong places and it got him into a lot of very well deserved trouble. It's not surprising that even an overconfident megalomaniac like Hitler might have visualised a future where all had not gone well, and decided that he didn't want his name on a piece of paper if he got caught alive. But he'd been expressing the desire in public long enough for his followers to know what he wanted done, and to get on with doing it on a verbal say-so. Had they all been taken alive, the blame game at Nuremberg might have been very interesting.

183 I'll still never forgive Noonan for the past 5 years of   sucking up to Obama.

184 Note to Peggy The ShitHead: From lowlife unAmerican Kenyan crap to super lowlife unAmerican Kenyan crap How the mighty have fallen!

185 "President Obama and Co. are in full deniability mode, noting that the IRS is an 'independent' agency and that they knew nothing about its abuse."

From here on out, call him President Schultz.

186 If the President finds out about this stuff by reading the newspapers - same as you and me - then let's fire the whole goddamn DHS. Their daily intelligence briefings aren't worth shit.

187 "We are in the midst of the worst Washington scandal since Watergate."


Let's re-arrange a few words and...

"We are in the midst of a Washington scandal worse than Watergate."

...now we have an accurate sentence.

188 I knew a marine colonel who was assigned to the Pentagon years ago.  He told me he couldn't even empty a waste basket without permission from higher ups.  It is ridiculous to think something like these scandals were implemented by lower level people.  obama has 30+ czars who handle numerous agencies so he doesn't have to.  The reason he can vacation, play golf and party is because he tells these people what he wants and they deliver it.  I seriously doubt that anyone in this administration takes a step in any direction without clearing it with obama. Not if they value their careers or even their lives. 

189 Perhaps the biggest change in politics in my lifetime (and I'm 60) is the alliance between the hard left and the Democratic Party's big-city machines. The left brings the passion and a reason to abandon all restrain in the pursuit of power; while the machines give the organization to carry out the leftists' ambitions.

Obama is the product of this perfect storm: a hard leftist who rose to power through the most corrupt, ruthless political organization in America.

The very idea that he might not have know what was going in the IRS is laughable. He knew perfectly well, and he approved it. It would be completely out of character for him not to have.

190 Abu Ghraib Abu Ghraib Abu Ghraib I'll have what the NYT's was having when W was Prez please.

191 Let's keep it simple. The KISS principle. (Keep it Simple Stupid!) Now for a second adage,,,,,Kill them all , let God sort them out. Our country is ready to bifurcate . R u Ready for that Be-aches? I am!