February 26, 2013
— Ace Hey, In Search Of told me there was at least one sunken continent, if not three of them. Lemuria, Mu, Atlantis... all sleeping under the sea.
So here's your In Search Of news of the day.
In a paper published online Monday in Nature Geoscience, an international research team reports that it has found evidence of a lost "microcontinent" in the Indian Ocean, northeast of Madagascar. The scientists analyzed sands they found on the beaches of the island nation of Mauritius and found traces of an ancient form of the mineral zircon. That's noteworthy because Mauritius is a relatively young, volcanic island, while zircon of that age is typically found in much older, continental crust.*
The researchers propose that the minerals came from a long-submerged landmass that was once wedged between India and Madagascar in a prehistoric supercontinent known as Rodinia. The theory is that, as India and Madagascar began to drift apart some 85 million years ago, the landmass broke apart and sank, Atlantis-style. The scientists have dubbed their lost microcontinent "Mauritia."
Yeah it's fun, but I have a couple of problems. First, they call it a "micro-continent," which is another way of saying "not a continent," because "continent" is grabbier than "island." So already they've got some credibility problems.
The other things... how do continents "sink"? Ships sink because they float. When they stop floating, they sink.
Continents don't float. Well, I guess they float on magma twenty five miles down or something, but they don't "sink" like a ship, though the idea of this is stuck in the popular imagination.
They could fall lower than sea level... but... like, not all that far down. Where does all the submarine landmass wind up going? Does it just break apart like a crumbling house?
The other thing is this: Because these sorts of "Catastrophic" events are frequently pitched about the Old Earth's history, science has created a prophylactic bias against "Catastrophism." Just so many crank theories were pitched under this banner -- such as Velikovsky's magic comet, Venus, ejected from Jupiter (precisely as Venus sprang from Jupiter's head in Greek myth) -- that science began to dismiss catastrophic-explanations on their face, and insist upon Gradual Process explanations ("gradualism").
Of course this bias has its costs; for years scientists resisted the Asteroid theory of dinosaur mass extinction, because that was indeed a Castastrophic explanation, and they preferred gradualist ones (like, I don't know, overpopulation leading to mass die-offs).
But that said, there is still a reason to have one's Skeptical Cap on when reading about theories of Old Earth Continent-Sinking Catastrophes. The human brain just loves these theories too darned much! It's like Rock-n-Roll Geology! So you have to discount for human bias.
And then of course... It's suspicious that we may find Mu, Lemuria, and Atlantis too:
But if the researchers are right, Mauritia may turn out not to be the only ancient continental fragment lurking deep beneath the sea. Oxford geologist Conall Mac Niocaill told the magazine there are several other places on earth whose gravitational field might suggest the presence of submerged continental crust.
Would one of them be somewhere off the coast of Europe, perhaps? Where an advanced civilization predating the Greeks might have arisen and then fallen?
Still, I loves me some sunken continent stuff. I know it's all (or almost all) bunk, but I can't help but love it anyway.
If Velikovsky's Venus-the-Comet Theory Sounds Familiar to You But You Don't Know Why... Maybe you heard of him from the guy I did.
Hm: I completely forgot his point in bringing Velikovsky up -- he didn't bring up Velikovsky to knock psuedoscience.
He brought up Velikovsky because other scientists attempted to suppress uncomfortable theories. That is, they decided because the theory was wrong, it had to be suppressed.
He brings this up to make the point that science must never suppress "bad theories" -- it should only disprove them.
Sounds like that might have some applicability to a current theory much in vogue where dissenters aren't permitted publication in major scholarly magazines.
Oh, By the Way: This conservative anti-science blog provided a dollop of skepticism here, and linked the reason for skepticism (the prophylactic bias against Catastrophism), whereas the pro-science liberal blog Slate just ran with it without any background about skepticism about this latest of dozens of claims of Lost Continents.
Science.
It can mean anything you want it to mean.
That doesn't mean these scientists are wrong, of course. But there is reason for skepticism, and not so much OMG You Guys, Lost Continent!
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Posted by: Shelia Jackson Loon at February 26, 2013 11:56 AM (WCe8r)
Are you kidding me, man? First they tip over, then then they sink. It's sciencey.
Posted by: THE Hank Johnson at February 26, 2013 11:57 AM (eHIJJ)
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Posted by: IllTemperedCur at February 26, 2013 11:59 AM (TIIx5)
1 billion Arabs claimed that it's rightfully their homeland
UN scientists declared that all ocean traffic must pay fees to prevent further continent sinking
Rep Hank Johnson blamed the continent's sinking on Bush
Posted by: kbdabear at February 26, 2013 12:00 PM (mCvL4)
How does this solve our chocodile problem?
Posted by: garrett at February 26, 2013 12:00 PM (vNzER)
Land masses aren't supported everywhere equally. If this was located in or near a fault line it seems at least plausable that after the supporting crust on either side broke away, what's left wasn't supported and simply fell down under it's own weight.
Posted by: tsrblke (work) at February 26, 2013 12:00 PM (/0Nh2)
Posted by: alexthechick - Chaotic Evil Hobbit. at February 26, 2013 12:00 PM (VtjlW)
Posted by: The Jackhole at February 26, 2013 12:00 PM (nTgAI)
Posted by: Trump at February 26, 2013 12:00 PM (9Bj8R)
Meh. Tell me when they find Krypton.
Posted by: Superman at February 26, 2013 12:01 PM (eHIJJ)
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Posted by: IllTemperedCur at February 26, 2013 03:59 PM
Thread winner!
Posted by: kbdabear at February 26, 2013 12:01 PM (mCvL4)
Posted by: soothsayer at February 26, 2013 12:02 PM (KeJAW)
Posted by: alexthechick - Chaotic Evil Hobbit. at February 26, 2013 12:02 PM (VtjlW)
Posted by: toby928© for TB at February 26, 2013 12:02 PM (QupBk)
Athena sprang from Jupiter's (Zeus') head.
Venus was born on the half-shell from Zeus' blood (IIRC).
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Pirate Scum of Umbar at February 26, 2013 12:02 PM (hLRSq)
I'm more interested in the sunken 'Space Ship' that they found...
It was in the news a couple of years ago...it looked like an outline of the Millenium Falcon, buried, on the ocean floor.
Haven't seen anything else about it, though.
Posted by: wheatie at February 26, 2013 12:03 PM (eyJSG)
I'M SERIAL, YOU GUYS!
Posted by: John Kerry, War Hero and BRAND NEW SEC. OF STATE, BEEYOTCHES!!! at February 26, 2013 12:03 PM (WCe8r)
Posted by: Dr. Varno at February 26, 2013 12:03 PM (t62l5)
Or is that part of the upcoming AoS Lifestyle section? "Val-u-Rite, It's in my genes."
Posted by: RoyalOil at February 26, 2013 12:03 PM (VjL9S)
Yeah sure.
(Actually I think that the San Andreas is a different type of fault than the ones on the Indian subcontinent. if memory serves.)
But we can dream can't we!
Posted by: tsrblke (work) at February 26, 2013 12:03 PM (/0Nh2)
Somewhere in the 40s and already all the good jokes are taken
Posted by: Jollyroger at February 26, 2013 12:03 PM (t06LC)
Posted by: Heralder at February 26, 2013 12:03 PM (+xmn4)
Posted by: Opus An Arcus at February 26, 2013 12:03 PM (7nL5p)
STOP PLATE TECTONICS NOW!
Posted by: Hippie will protest anything at February 26, 2013 12:04 PM (mETGQ)
Posted by: Barack Obama at February 26, 2013 12:04 PM (mCvL4)
Posted by: AmishDude at February 26, 2013 12:04 PM (T0NGe)
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Posted by: IllTemperedCur at February 26, 2013 03:59 PM
Thread winner!
Posted by: kbdabear at February 26, 2013 04:01 PM (mCvL4)
Shit, I couldn't remember that guys name
Posted by: The Jackhole at February 26, 2013 12:04 PM (nTgAI)
Posted by: The Micro-Continent of Lemuria at February 26, 2013 12:04 PM (j2lYi)
Differing versions (according to Wiki - Aphrodite is either the daughter of Zeus and Dione, or came from Uranus' genitals when Cronus cut them off and threw them into the sea.
Record keeping was spotty back then.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Pirate Scum of Umbar at February 26, 2013 12:04 PM (hLRSq)
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Posted by: Dang at February 26, 2013 12:05 PM (R18D0)
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Posted by: Fourth Virginia at February 26, 2013 12:06 PM (wbmaj)
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Posted by: Congressman Hank Johnson at February 26, 2013 12:06 PM (B5y+v)
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Posted by: Dante at February 26, 2013 12:07 PM (SkFDg)
Posted by: toby928© for TB at February 26, 2013 04:05 PM (QupBk)
Like Hillary's cooter
Posted by: The Jackhole at February 26, 2013 12:07 PM (nTgAI)
Posted by: Heralder at February 26, 2013 12:07 PM (+xmn4)
Posted by: Guam at February 26, 2013 12:07 PM (R18D0)
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Pirate Scum of Umbar at February 26, 2013 04:04 PM (hLRSq)
So she's an Olympian Mountain Oyster?
Posted by: mugiwara at February 26, 2013 12:07 PM (W7ffl)
Posted by: Dr. Varno at February 26, 2013 12:07 PM (t62l5)
Posted by: toby928© for TB at February 26, 2013 12:08 PM (QupBk)
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I don't know.
Maybe we need to get Sandra Fluke in here as an expert witness.
Posted by: RoyalOil at February 26, 2013 12:08 PM (VjL9S)
And not one Namor joke - that the sinking was the result of a secret Atlantean plot.
This place needs work.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Pirate Scum of Umbar at February 26, 2013 12:08 PM (hLRSq)
Posted by: Opus An Arcus at February 26, 2013 12:08 PM (7nL5p)
A lot of people all want to imagine that at some point in the past some previous civilization got it right and was a perfect place of peace and joy.
That's because the present, for most of known history, has usually been for most people a steaming pile of donkey turds laced with imminent death from myriad sources to threats of torture and maiming by tyrannical despots looking to create an empire.
Top that off with every member of the human race's underlying ability to be really really pains in the asses to anyone and everyone, especially family and friends, and you've got people who would just love it if they could get a few days of peace and plenty to eat.
The sweet meteor of death desire didn't just start here.
People want to believe that things were better earlier and that only their time sucks because then they'd feel justified in being grumpy about how shitty everything is NOW.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at February 26, 2013 12:08 PM (qyv02)
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Posted by: Congressman Hank Johnson at February 26, 2013 12:08 PM (B5y+v)
Posted by: STOP CONTINENTISM NOW! at February 26, 2013 12:08 PM (JQuNB)
I thought Lemuria was a sunken continent
"It is NOW !!!"
Posted by: Pinter the Geologist Comic at February 26, 2013 12:09 PM (mCvL4)
Posted by: Snarky the Bear at February 26, 2013 12:09 PM (/b8+5)
Kronos (or Chronos, if you're Roman). The only one of the original Olympians who was not a child of Gaea.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 26, 2013 12:09 PM (xN73L)
Posted by: Craig Poe at February 26, 2013 12:09 PM (BVkEs)
Posted by: Pluto, the "dwarf planet" at February 26, 2013 12:09 PM (T0NGe)
Posted by: Jollyroger at February 26, 2013 04:09 PM (t06LC)
Nice work
Posted by: The Jackhole at February 26, 2013 12:10 PM (nTgAI)
Posted by: AmishDude at February 26, 2013 12:10 PM (T0NGe)
Posted by: God at February 26, 2013 12:10 PM (mCvL4)
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Posted by: Fourth Virginia at February 26, 2013 12:11 PM (wbmaj)
Posted by: Howard Johnson at February 26, 2013 12:11 PM (T0NGe)
Oyster - clam.
She's something alright - a bad news dame with the looks of a goddess (really!) and trouble in her purse. She wanted me to solve that trouble and it was an apple, a Golden Apple. Two other dames wanted it it and she had it. How she would keep it - that's where I come in.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Pirate Scum of Umbar at February 26, 2013 12:11 PM (hLRSq)
Posted by: Eric at February 26, 2013 12:11 PM (ClJ2V)
"...the entire island is now sinking about 1 foot every hundred years as the Pacific Plate bows down under the weight of the volcanoes on it."
Read more: http://tinyurl.com/a5dtvzh
Posted by: BetaPhi at February 26, 2013 12:11 PM (j0bAs)
Posted by: Fourth Virginia at February 26, 2013 12:11 PM (wbmaj)
"Wait a minute. So Uranus had his balls cut off by his dad? No wonder he was an asshole. "
I'm surrounded by assholes!!!
(get it? reference, that is)
Posted by: Jess1 at February 26, 2013 12:12 PM (lbiWb)
Posted by: toby928© for TB at February 26, 2013 04:05 PM (QupBk)
Like Hillary's cooter
=========
Again, Sandra Fluke, expert witness.
Posted by: RoyalOil at February 26, 2013 12:12 PM (VjL9S)
Posted by: Dr. Varno at February 26, 2013 12:12 PM (t62l5)
Posted by: kbdabear at February 26, 2013 12:14 PM (mCvL4)
Posted by: Snarky the Bear at February 26, 2013 12:14 PM (/b8+5)
Posted by: RWC at February 26, 2013 12:14 PM (fWAjv)
"Wait a minute. So Uranus had his balls cut off by his dad? No wonder he was an asshole. "
I'm surrounded by assholes!!!
(get it? reference, that is)
Posted by: Jess1 at February 26, 2013 04:12 PM (lbiWb)
Hah! You got the hidden joke and threw in a Spaceballs refrence! Well done
Posted by: Jollyroger at February 26, 2013 12:14 PM (t06LC)
If it is under the sea it is not a continent.
con·ti·nent [ kóntinənt ] land mass: any of the seven large continuous land masses that constitute most of the dry land on the surface of the Earth.land above sea level: the part of the Earth's crust that rises above the oceans.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 26, 2013 12:15 PM (p/cQy)
Posted by: Fourth Virginia at February 26, 2013 12:15 PM (wbmaj)
I'm still waiting for the horses to show up for these sequestrian events.
Posted by: Dr. Varno at February 26, 2013 04:12 PM (t62l5)
Hold your horses I'm almost there.
Posted by: Hagelist Incitatus at February 26, 2013 12:16 PM (mETGQ)
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***
What have you got in the way of a Hank Johnson does Fantasy Island joke?
Posted by: WalrusRex at February 26, 2013 12:16 PM (Hx5uv)
Final resting place of the lost Mk 666 Snuke.
Posted by: Jaws at February 26, 2013 04:12 PM (4I3Uo)
That's nothing. I used to have this one intern I used as a humidor. Those were the days.
Posted by: Billy Jeff Clinton at February 26, 2013 12:16 PM (t06LC)
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at February 26, 2013 12:16 PM (qyv02)
Posted by: rickb223 at February 26, 2013 12:16 PM (GFM2b)
Posted by: Regular Moron [/i] at February 26, 2013 12:16 PM (feFL6)
Posted by: Fourth Virginia at February 26, 2013 12:17 PM (wbmaj)
I thought he was taking that yacht of his that he didn't pay any taxes on.
Posted by: John P. Squibob at February 26, 2013 12:17 PM (kqqGm)
Posted by: Dr Spank at February 26, 2013 12:17 PM (w+Dvf)
Posted by: Tex Lovera at February 26, 2013 12:17 PM (wtvvX)
Posted by: Donovan's Less Talented Brother at February 26, 2013 12:17 PM (j2lYi)
Posted by: Dr. Varno at February 26, 2013 12:18 PM (t62l5)
Posted by: Soona at February 26, 2013 12:19 PM (3ZiVX)
Posted by: Truck Monkey's Johnson at February 26, 2013 12:19 PM (jucos)
con·ti·nent [ kóntinənt ] land mass: any of the seven large continuous land masses that constitute most of the dry land on the surface of the Earth.land above sea level: the part of the Earth's crust that rises above the oceans.
You may continue.
Posted by: Soledad O'Brien, looking for work anywhere she can get it at February 26, 2013 12:19 PM (kqqGm)
Posted by: Fourth Virginia at February 26, 2013 12:19 PM (wbmaj)
Posted by: BlueStateRebel at February 26, 2013 12:19 PM (7ObY1)
Posted by: Hanoverfist at February 26, 2013 12:19 PM (5VQkS)
Posted by: Not and Artist at February 26, 2013 12:19 PM (uRumV)
Posted by: Jean at February 26, 2013 12:19 PM (+NNlC)
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Posted by: Donovan's Less Talented Brother at February 26, 2013 04:17 PM
Now go home and get your fuckin' shine box!
Posted by: Billy Batts at February 26, 2013 12:20 PM (mCvL4)
Posted by: Dr. Varno at February 26, 2013 12:20 PM (t62l5)
>>>The human brain just loves these theories too darned much!
It is thought that Mount Mazama collapsed rather quickly following an eruption of what is now crater lake.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moobats Gasoline and Matches at February 26, 2013 12:20 PM (0q2P7)
Posted by: Opus An Arcus at February 26, 2013 12:20 PM (7nL5p)
Posted by: Hank Johnson! at February 26, 2013 12:20 PM (r2PLg)
Posted by: Tex Lovera at February 26, 2013 12:20 PM (wtvvX)
Posted by: rickb223 at February 26, 2013 12:20 PM (GFM2b)
Posted by: irright at February 26, 2013 12:21 PM (8GKDa)
Posted by: Jason at February 26, 2013 12:21 PM (6VB4r)
Posted by: Lemuria Mafia at February 26, 2013 12:21 PM (mCvL4)
Posted by: Plato at February 26, 2013 12:22 PM (3ZtZW)
Because, in our ~$4tn spending (I won't say budget, because we don't have one) there's not $85bn to cut anywhere? Not one thing to cut that wouldn't affect these so-called "needed" services (okay, the military is actually a needed service. "Funding for the disabled kid or the poor kid" is not).
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 26, 2013 12:23 PM (xN73L)
Well, I'm not going to chance it. I'm taking my shotgun to the beach
Posted by: kbdabear at February 26, 2013 12:23 PM (mCvL4)
Posted by: Heralder at February 26, 2013 03:46 PM (+xmn4)
Billyuns and billyuns.
Pretentious and ponderous. It's a wonder he didn't explode from his gravitass.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at February 26, 2013 12:23 PM (qyv02)
Posted by: Pee Pee Tee at February 26, 2013 12:23 PM (/b8+5)
Ashley Judd is trying to control me thru her feminine hemogeny with her micro-penis.
Come on, we were all thinking that.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 26, 2013 12:23 PM (p/cQy)
Did they find Kevin Costner or his career?
Posted by: Fourth Virginia at February 26, 2013 12:23 PM (wbmaj)
Posted by: Dr Spank at February 26, 2013 12:24 PM (w+Dvf)
sink is sexier than collapse. Which is how geologic structures go down*. I mean it's a sinkhole not a collapse hole, though collapsing is what is going on.
*Yes I know about erosion. I mean go down right now!!!
Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moobats Gasoline and Matches at February 26, 2013 12:24 PM (0q2P7)
"Know, O prince, that between the years when the oceans drank Atlantis and the gleaming cities, and the years of the rise of the sons of Aryas, there was an Age undreamed of, when shining kingdoms lay spread across the world like blue mantles beneath the stars ... Hither came Conan, the Cimmerian, black-haired, sullen-eyed, sword in hand, a thief, a reaver, a slayer, with gigantic melancholies and gigantic mirth, to tread the jeweled thrones of the Earth under his sandaled feet." -- The Nemedian Chronicles
Posted by: Henry George at February 26, 2013 12:24 PM (Bv9qa)
Posted by: irright at February 26, 2013 04:21 PM (8GKDa)
Billyuns and billyuns.
Pretentious and ponderous. It's a wonder he didn't explode from his gravitass.
Apparently I skipped a skip in pasting the quote.
Oops.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at February 26, 2013 12:24 PM (qyv02)
Oh you missed a beauty by not going with the Al Roker sock.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 26, 2013 12:24 PM (p/cQy)
Posted by: Mary Clogginstein from Brattleboro, Vt at February 26, 2013 12:25 PM (90aTA)
No other Democrat -- none -- has been held to account for Hank Johnson's remarks.
That's because it was an old joke between Hank and the military dude he was examining in that committee meeting. They had been in the military together on Guam and it was a standard joke the the island was tipping over due to all the military on it.
Posted by: trainer @ LIB at February 26, 2013 12:25 PM (QbdUW)
Plus the music sounded like Zanfir on the pan flute...
Posted by: Tex Lovera at February 26, 2013 12:25 PM (wtvvX)
Posted by: Universe 616 Tina Fey at February 26, 2013 12:25 PM (q177U)
Guam you guys. It's gonna tip over you guys.
Posted by: Not and Artist at February 26, 2013 04:19 PM (uRumV)
Oh really!
Thier's a reason why there's a flip in the Philippines Islands.
Posted by: Hank Johnson at February 26, 2013 12:25 PM (mETGQ)
Posted by: Hank Johnson! at February 26, 2013 12:25 PM (r2PLg)
Posted by: irright at February 26, 2013 12:26 PM (8GKDa)
Posted by: I chase him - I bite him at February 26, 2013 12:26 PM (6J6x7)
yeah well I've been admonished there's no such thing by Occtard...
there's an oil boom coming and this jugeared motherfucker
never mind.
Posted by: sven10077 at February 26, 2013 12:26 PM (LRFds)
So.... all geosciencey and that. IF a landmass - continent, island, etc - were to "sink", then it would kind of mean a hollowing out of the ground beneath, presumably filled with seawater. An indication of said sinking would be a massive problem with salination in the water supplies, no?
So: Flahridah.
Posted by: Bigby's Other Hand at February 26, 2013 12:26 PM (3ZtZW)
What would be smart is for Republicans in the House to adopt a series of plans that cuts unneeded spending (CPB anyone?) and then the law that would force SCOAMT to decide on the cuts. Then refuse to take up any other business until all of them have had up-or-down votes in the Senate (use that trick that avoids the cloture vote, to boot), and one or more of them passed to the President for his signature.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 26, 2013 12:26 PM (xN73L)
I had a geologic structure do down on me.
well, she LOOKED like a geologic structure.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at February 26, 2013 12:26 PM (qyv02)
Posted by: CAC at February 26, 2013 12:26 PM (ZMhsh)
Posted by: that guy that doesn't read all the comments at February 26, 2013 12:26 PM (QupBk)
Posted by: trainer @ LIB at February 26, 2013 04:25 PM (QbdUW)
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Yeah. That's it.
Posted by: Soona at February 26, 2013 12:26 PM (3ZiVX)
Posted by: Brother Cavil and his Ampersandsaurus at February 26, 2013 12:27 PM (GBXon)
Posted by: Dr Spank at February 26, 2013 12:27 PM (w+Dvf)
Posted by: Hank Johnson! at February 26, 2013 12:27 PM (r2PLg)
Posted by: CheChe v.7.0 at February 26, 2013 12:28 PM (feFL6)
Posted by: Snarky the Bear at February 26, 2013 12:28 PM (/b8+5)
Not really
Posted by: Dr Spank at February 26, 2013 12:28 PM (w+Dvf)
Posted by: Kevin in ABQ at February 26, 2013 12:28 PM (XrGnJ)
Posted by: Luke Johnson at February 26, 2013 12:28 PM (t62l5)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet is no longer shamelessly hawking his book Amy Lynn available on amazon. at February 26, 2013 12:29 PM (l86i3)
Posted by: Fourth Virginia at February 26, 2013 12:29 PM (wbmaj)
Posted by: I chase him - I bite him at February 26, 2013 12:30 PM (6J6x7)
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Posted by: Brother Cavil and his Ampersandsaurus at February 26, 2013 12:30 PM (GBXon)
Posted by: toby928© for TB at February 26, 2013 12:31 PM (QupBk)
Posted by: Regular Moron [/i] at February 26, 2013 12:31 PM (feFL6)
After Atlantis sank the survivors dispersed and interbred with Celts. Cimmeria was in the area of Ireland/Scotland.
Posted by: CozMark at February 26, 2013 12:31 PM (BjOkm)
A bit of a windbag but nobody summarized the sciences better than him, period.
He also made up a lot of complete bullshit, such as "nuclear winter."
Posted by: Jay Guevara at February 26, 2013 12:32 PM (IDSI7)
Posted by: Brother Cavil and his Ampersandsaurus at February 26, 2013 12:32 PM (GBXon)
You see, when he sank into the depths he was saved by an underwater civilization that evolved from dolphins and became sort of humanoid. He's now living among these peace loving guardians of the oceans and he's going to fight to save their civilization against evil oil companies that want to drill there.
Billion dollar box office, baby! Get my 3D guys on it and tell my ex-wife that her movie sucked.
Posted by: James Fuckin' Cameron at February 26, 2013 12:32 PM (mCvL4)
Well, in this case it's a proof of your racism because your ancestor's disbelieve in Global
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 26, 2013 12:32 PM (xN73L)
Posted by: Traficant--now with more hair mousse at February 26, 2013 12:33 PM (r2PLg)
Posted by: JT Darwin at February 26, 2013 04:29 PM (yn6XZ)
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And drink blood from the succulent thighs of Lemurian virgins.
Posted by: Soona at February 26, 2013 12:33 PM (3ZiVX)
Minerva/Athena, not Venus, sprang from Jupiter's/Zeus's head.
Also, micro-continent is indeed an insipid term. First of all, we already have the term subcontinent, and I'm not even sure of this landmass was even as big as New Guinea or Borneo (have not clicked the link yet).
Posted by: logprof at February 26, 2013 12:34 PM (+iA5G)
Posted by: Fourth Virginia at February 26, 2013 12:34 PM (wbmaj)
Fuck you. I thought of it first and I've got better lawyers!
Posted by: James Fuckin' Cameron at February 26, 2013 12:34 PM (mCvL4)
Damn straight. As an second-year grad student I stepped into some K-Street funding for summer work. My modeling, based on sound science...did not meet the desired outcome on the part of the funding agency. Needless to say, I made few return trips to K-Street.
Posted by: Kevin in ABQ at February 26, 2013 12:34 PM (XrGnJ)
Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at February 26, 2013 12:35 PM (oN+7M)
Posted by: I chase him - I bite him at February 26, 2013 12:35 PM (6J6x7)
Posted by: Tex Lovera at February 26, 2013 12:35 PM (wtvvX)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet is no longer shamelessly hawking his book Amy Lynn available on amazon. at February 26, 2013 12:36 PM (l86i3)
I'm defining "subcontinent" as a portion of a greater continent, mostly cut off from the rest of the continent by mountains or deserts or unnavigable lakes. India, for instance, is a subcontinent. I'd say the same for North Africa these days, and for Europe during the Bronze Age (Europe is still counted a "continent" by convention).
All that tl;dr said: Beringia and Doggerland (woof!).
Beringia is the part of Alaska / Siberia during the Pleistocene, when they were attached to each other but cut off from Asia by tundra and from north America by ice sheets. The coasts got enough warmth from the Pacific that life could thrive there. The overwhelming bulk of the Native American genetic pool is Beringian.
Doggerland is the bridge between Britain, the Dogger Bank and Normandy - Low Germany. Apparently people used to hunt around there, too. The Alps and various bear-infested forests kept Doggerland isolated. Here's a fun alt-history about this place: http://www.warrenellis.com/?p=14323
This is before we get into Sundaland and the Black Sea Coast . . .
... and this is why Noah's Flood is one of those Biblical stories that I don't crack wise about. Almost every human legend has a tale of the Flood, because almost every inhabited coastland got flooded at the end of the Ice Age.
Posted by: zimriel at February 26, 2013 12:36 PM (QTHTd)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 26, 2013 04:26 PM (xN73L)
Allen if you had a blog you could expand on this!
The problem that I see is that the Republican party only has an IQ edge over the Democrats of about 0.5 points based on performance to date, so this is too complicated for them to master, much less to think about!
That whole idea of crafting tightly focused (like a laser beam) legislation dealing with a single clear issue seems to have escaped them for the past few decades. But, I guess they wouldn't earn their campaign contributions if they didn't have political consultants and lobbyists advising them on how best to serve the people themselves!
Posted by: Hrothgar at February 26, 2013 12:36 PM (Cnqmv)
Posted by: Rosie "the fork" O'Donnell at February 26, 2013 12:36 PM (9APBK)
Posted by: I chase him - I bite him at February 26, 2013 04:30 PM (6J6x7)
Where's it going to go? Texas?
although you may actually have a point. The continents are adrift on a sea of magma deep under the mantle.
perhaps a massive evacuation or eruption somewhere else could cause a temporary depression that would lower the overall height of the continent but to submerge it?
That's a lot of magma moving around.
And a question I've always wondered; how does that magma stay so hot? It's been billions of years and it's not cooled yet? Why? How? How come we haven't boiled away if there's a heat source?
THESE are the questions that need answering.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at February 26, 2013 12:36 PM (qyv02)
Posted by: Snarky the Bear at February 26, 2013 12:36 PM (/b8+5)
Posted by: Fourth Virginia at February 26, 2013 12:37 PM (wbmaj)
Funding is a big damn deal and scientists like actors will whore themselves for funding to get the best roll. It's how this Climate change bullshit got out of control. "This is the answer we want, here is the money, make it so."
THIS.
Scientists live and die by funding, which is oxygen to us. Lose your funding, and your career goes pffftttt!
It's not so explicit as "here's the answer we want, make it so," but implicitly, it's close. It's more like an RFP that says "We've set aside four zillion quatloos to study this important problem."
If you send in a proposal that proposes undercutting the whole notion, you will a) piss off the program administrators who championed earmarking the funds to study the problem, by making them look stupid, and b) infuriate other scientists who are knocking down serious funding by riding this horse. Your next proposal will be reviewed by the group of case b), and funding decided by that of case a). No prizes for guessing what happens to it.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at February 26, 2013 12:37 PM (IDSI7)
Posted by: georgeofthedesert at February 26, 2013 12:37 PM (Eq2MX)
Posted by: zimriel at February 26, 2013 12:38 PM (QTHTd)
Posted by: Kevin in ABQ at February 26, 2013 12:38 PM (XrGnJ)
And why can't Stephen Hawking find a good drive thru burger?
Posted by: kbdabear at February 26, 2013 12:39 PM (mCvL4)
Posted by: Fourth Virginia at February 26, 2013 12:39 PM (wbmaj)
#202 Can the undead live underwater?
According to Max Brooks they can.
And the circle comes complete between the Johnsons and World War Z.
Posted by: Mr. Dave in SPI at February 26, 2013 12:39 PM (xiaOm)
perhaps a massive evacuation or eruption somewhere else could cause a temporary depression that would lower the overall height of the continent but to submerge it?
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You're getting confused with Helen Thomas' canker sores.
Posted by: Soona at February 26, 2013 12:39 PM (3ZiVX)
FLASH UPDATE EMBASSY OVERRUN STAFF UNACCOUNTED FOR
Posted by: Jones in CO at February 26, 2013 12:39 PM (8sCoq)
Posted by: ace at February 26, 2013 12:40 PM (LCRYB)
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Where's it going to go? Texas?
Yes... Texas: http://tinyurl.com/a4zvexe
Posted by: zimriel at February 26, 2013 12:41 PM (QTHTd)
Posted by: Barky Odipshit at February 26, 2013 12:41 PM (+iA5G)
But that said, there is still a reason to have one's Skeptical Cap on when reading about ...
... anything, but especially science that has implications for public policy. 99% of that stuff is straight off the stable floor. And that's the physical science stuff. The social sciences are a joke, and 100% anti-reliable (i.e., the exact opposite of the truth).
Posted by: Jay Guevara at February 26, 2013 12:41 PM (IDSI7)
Technically, they're not alive on land either.
Posted by: toby928© for TB at February 26, 2013 04:30 PM (QupBk)
It seems like zombies would be easy pickings for marine life though. Crabs, shrimp, sharks, fish in general would feast on the mostly dead.
Posted by: Jollyroger at February 26, 2013 12:41 PM (t06LC)
If you send in a proposal that proposes undercutting the whole notion, you will a) piss off the program administrators who championed earmarking the funds to study the problem, by making them look stupid, and b) infuriate other scientists who are knocking down serious funding by riding this horse. Your next proposal will be reviewed by the group of case b), and funding decided by that of case a). No prizes for guessing what happens to it.
So you need to learn to be more subversive. Send int proposals which seem to support the idea, then when the study is done you report Serious You Guys We Couldn't Find Any Evidence. Appendix AA: "But we still believe it anyway. Pinkie swear." Appendix AB: "And we'll try harder next time."
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 26, 2013 12:41 PM (xN73L)
Posted by: Jones in CO at February 26, 2013 04:39 PM (8sCoq)
It was that damn dolphin exploitation video that did it! The US government had NOTHING to do with that video!
Posted by: Susan Rice at February 26, 2013 12:41 PM (Cnqmv)
Posted by: toby928© for TB at February 26, 2013 12:42 PM (QupBk)
Because the sheet of Mylar between the Magma and the Mantle keeps it insulated.
Posted by: Buzzsaw at February 26, 2013 12:42 PM (81UWZ)
perhaps a massive evacuation or eruption somewhere else could cause a temporary depression
Don't tell Barry, or he'll want to bail them out.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at February 26, 2013 12:42 PM (IDSI7)
THESE are the questions that need answering.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at February 26, 2013 04:36 PM (qyv02)
That's because the temperature of the core of the earth is in the MILLIONS of degrees stupid right wingnut!
Posted by: Al Gore at February 26, 2013 12:42 PM (hHlaS)
Posted by: Dr. Varno at February 26, 2013 12:43 PM (t62l5)
It seems like zombies would be easy pickings for marine life though. Crabs, shrimp, sharks, fish in general would feast on the mostly dead.
Yeah. No shit.
Posted by: Osama bin Laden at February 26, 2013 12:43 PM (IDSI7)
Posted by: Lena Dunham at February 26, 2013 12:43 PM (mCvL4)
Posted by: Snarky the Bear at February 26, 2013 12:44 PM (/b8+5)
Posted by: Fourth Virginia at February 26, 2013 12:44 PM (wbmaj)
Posted by: I chase him - I bite him at February 26, 2013 12:45 PM (6J6x7)
Lemuria Rising: Scientists Think They've Found a Sunken Continent
Except it's not a continent, and it isn't sunken, they don't think, and they're not scientists. Apart from that, they nailed it.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at February 26, 2013 12:45 PM (IDSI7)
Great. Zombie Crabs. **shudder**
Posted by: toby928© for TB at February 26, 2013 04:42 PM (QupBk)
Short of the resident evil series, I don't recall any other lore that suggests animals can zombify.
Depends on your perferred series rules. Thats one reason (among many) I hate Twilight. She took all of the vampires weaknesses and got rid of them and added new abilities like seeing the future and elemental control and crap like that. Pretty much the only way to kill a sparkly vampire there is be a werewolf or have a flamethrower and thermite handy.
Posted by: Jollyroger at February 26, 2013 12:46 PM (t06LC)
Posted by: I chase him - I bite him at February 26, 2013 12:46 PM (6J6x7)
THESE are the questions that need answering.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at February 26, 2013 04:36 PM
Heat from the pressure
Some of the magma is radioactive
The Devil hasn't run out of matches
Posted by: kbdascienceguy at February 26, 2013 12:47 PM (mCvL4)
Posted by: Kevin in ABQ at February 26, 2013 12:47 PM (XrGnJ)
Posted by: I chase him - I bite him at February 26, 2013 12:48 PM (6J6x7)
Posted by: Baldy at February 26, 2013 12:49 PM (opS9C)
Stat....
Posted by: Craig Poe at February 26, 2013 04:46 PM
I've been banned from skydiving over the Pacific
Posted by: Meghan McCain at February 26, 2013 12:49 PM (mCvL4)
and then that movie about Nazis on / under the moon--but that's just silly, guys
Posted by: DOA in Scrambletown, FLA at February 26, 2013 12:50 PM (Dll6b)
Posted by: Jollyroger at February 26, 2013 12:50 PM (t06LC)
Posted by: Puffy Wonderscrunt at February 26, 2013 12:50 PM (dvRYt)
There are - Mythbusters proved it. They're just lousy.
Posted by: Kevin in ABQ at February 26, 2013 12:50 PM (XrGnJ)
Posted by: Meghan McCain at February 26, 2013 04:49 PM (mCvL4)
"It's the size of Texas.
We call it a Global Killer, sir. If it hits the ocean, which we think it will..."
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 26, 2013 12:51 PM (xN73L)
I hate the idea of fast zombies. Being dead and decomposing doesn't make you fucking superman.
If anything muscle breakdown due to decomposition would end a zombie apocolypse in days.
Posted by: Jollyroger at February 26, 2013 12:52 PM (t06LC)
I've been banned from skydiving over the Pacific
Posted by: Meghan McCain at February 26, 2013 04:49 PM (mCvL4)
Just pray that Rosie O'Donnell doesn't slip when she wades into the ocean. We can't lay off another tidal wave on Fukushima this time.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at February 26, 2013 12:53 PM (IDSI7)
Posted by: Bosk at February 26, 2013 12:53 PM (n2K+4)
Posted by: Dr. Varno at February 26, 2013 12:53 PM (t62l5)
Posted by: DOA in Scrambletown, FLA at February 26, 2013 12:54 PM (Dll6b)
Posted by: I chase him - I bite him at February 26, 2013 12:54 PM (6J6x7)
You're one of the people who complains about the Chronology of Star Trek, aren't you?
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 26, 2013 12:55 PM (xN73L)
Posted by: I chase him - I bite him at February 26, 2013 12:55 PM (6J6x7)
Posted by: Baldy at February 26, 2013 04:49 PM
That's because there were no ancient vibrators, smarty-pants!
Posted by: kbdabear at February 26, 2013 12:55 PM (mCvL4)
Posted by: I chase him - I bite him at February 26, 2013 12:56 PM (6J6x7)
You're one of the people who complains about the Chronology of Star Trek, aren't you?
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 26, 2013
Well, he's RIGHT
Bazinga!
Posted by: Sheldon Cooper at February 26, 2013 12:57 PM (mCvL4)
Those student loan collection agencies don't fuck around, do they
Posted by: kbdabear at February 26, 2013 12:59 PM (mCvL4)
Posted by: I chase him - I bite him at February 26, 2013 12:59 PM (6J6x7)
Posted by: toby928© for TB at February 26, 2013 01:02 PM (QupBk)
Posted by: I chase him - I bite him at February 26, 2013 01:07 PM (6J6x7)
Posted by: anal retentive is us at February 26, 2013 01:11 PM (KVFLo)
Posted by: anal retentive is us at February 26, 2013 01:13 PM (KVFLo)
One possible story that was incorporated into the fiction of Atlantis deals with an actual Greek city. In a cataclysm the ground of the city liquified swallowing/destroying the city in rapid order. Just a few years ago the remains of this city was rediscovered in an olive orchard about fifteen or twenty feet down.
Earlier in his life, Dr. Carl Sagan was one of the people leading the crusade to suppress Velikovsky and his whole 'worlds in collision' theory. Guess he had a change of mind or wanted to clear the way for his theory of nuclear winter.
Final bit on Velikovsky is the name of a defender of his. James P. Hogan in his book 'Kicking the Sacred Cow' spent a good chapter documenting some of the shenanigans Velikovksy's detractors pulled to attack the man's theories.
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Posted by: I chase him - I bite him at February 26, 2013 01:42 PM (6J6x7)
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It's Serious You Guys!
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