September 17, 2013
— Ace No serious. Last night CNN broke the news that the Navy Yard shooter used an AR-15 shotgun.
We must ban this weapon that has already been banned by reason of Not Existing.
I don't know, would this be a good stunt? If Republicans actually passed a bill to ban the weapon that doesn't exist in order to embarrass the media?
Probably not.
Piers Morgan's entire show was dedicated to the proposition that an AR-15 (whether of the rifle or shotgun variation) was used in the killings. Indeed, one might say that his entire life has been dedicated to this proposition.
Except it wasn't:
FBI Washington field office just confirmed gunman was NOT armed with AR15. Spokesperson says 1 shotgun and 2 pistols recovered
— Pamela Brown (@PamelaBrownCNN) September 17, 2013
Yesterday #BuzzfeedAndrewKazcinsky baited the NRA by noting they weren't commenting when facts were still unknown.
I dunno. Seems like a wise principle. Perhaps more of the Scolding Teacher Media would do well to follow their example.
Update: After a day of screaming about AR-15s, Piers Morgan's twitter stream is now oddly absent of references to them.
No retraction, no correction. Just shifting from AR-15s to guns in general.
Which is precisely why people will not permit it to be banned -- because they understand that those who want to ban will shift, as abruptly and dishonestly as Piers Morgan, from AR-15s to guns in general.
Piers Speaks... After devoting a show to the Scourge of the AR-15, he now has a different position: "What difference does it make?"
Lots of confusion over exactly what guns Wash Navy Yard shooter used. But do you think it matters to the victims? #GunControlNow
— Piers Morgan (@piersmorgan) September 17, 2013
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Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) MFM Delenda Est at September 17, 2013 09:04 AM (/PCJa)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) MFM Delenda Est at September 17, 2013 09:04 AM (/PCJa)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) MFM Delenda Est at September 17, 2013 09:04 AM (/PCJa)
And somehow people still listen.
Posted by: grognard at September 17, 2013 09:04 AM (/29Nl)
With the shoulder thing that goes up, a bayonet, a compass in the stock, and this thing that tells time.
Loaded with high-capacity magazine banana clips full of 'cop-killer' bullet cartridges.
With the optional double-barreled over/under 40mm grenade launcher AND the flame-thrower.
And, it was BLACK (possibly 'WHITE-Black'), and in the 40 megawatt range.
I think CNN confirmed this...
Posted by: Parker at September 17, 2013 09:05 AM (YkW3i)
Posted by: Jesse Pinkman at September 17, 2013 09:05 AM (T0Pku)
Posted by: RoadRunner at September 17, 2013 09:05 AM (XrGnJ)
Posted by: MFM of Borg at September 17, 2013 09:05 AM (/PCJa)
Posted by: Sheriff Joe Biden at September 17, 2013 09:06 AM (DrWcr)
Actually, ace, depending on the reports one might have listened to at any time yesterday, the Lunatic Punkass Shooter (my name for the bastard) was using a black semi-automatic assault Glock AK-15 shotgun rifle, with the shoulder-thingy that goes up.
Parker in the previous thread summed it up most accurately:
Actually, from the initial reports, he had a fully-automatic rapid-fire high-powered military-style folding-stock silenced flash-suppressed 9mm 12-gauge Assault Glock AK-15 shotgun.
With the shoulder thing that goes up, a bayonet, a compass in the stock, and this thing that tells time.
Loaded with high-capacity magazine banana clips full of 'cop-killer' bullet cartridges.
With the optional double-barreled over/under 40mm grenade launcher AND the flame-thrower.
And, it was BLACK (possibly 'WHITE-Black'), and in the 40 megawatt range.
I think CNN confirmed this...
Posted by: Parker at September 17, 2013 11:48 AM (YkW3i)
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea [/i][/s][/u][/b] at September 17, 2013 09:06 AM (4df7R)
These AR15 automatic shotguns should have more stringent controls on them. Everyone agrees with this but a few individuals are keeping it from happening.
Posted by: MFM at September 17, 2013 09:06 AM (zZbNF)
Posted by: Sharknado 2: AR-15 Sharks at September 17, 2013 09:06 AM (X866z)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 17, 2013 09:06 AM (9Xc5j)
Posted by: The Jackhole at September 17, 2013 09:07 AM (nTgAI)
Posted by: Cynical Cat at September 17, 2013 09:07 AM (UypUQ)
I don't know, would this be a good stunt? If Republicans actually passed a bill to ban the weapon that doesn't exist in order to embarrass the media?
I'd be all for it. "Hey, we're just responding to the will of the people at CNN."
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at September 17, 2013 09:07 AM (0HooB)
Posted by: ejo at September 17, 2013 09:07 AM (GXvSO)
Posted by: The Mentalist at September 17, 2013 09:07 AM (qRasw)
He appears to have entered with only the shotgun.
Link from Drudge:
Aaron Alexis may have picked up and used victimsÂ’ weapons: investigators
The officials said Aaron Alexis of Fort Worth, Texas, a 34-year-old discharged Navy engineer, entered the building with a Remington 870 12-gauge shotgun that heÂ’d purchased last week in Lorton, Va., and was later found with two additional weapons, a Glock handgun and an AR-15 semiautomatic rifle.
One scenario authorities were investigating was that he obtianed the handgun and the rifle at the scene, possibly from victims. But officials cautioned the evidence analysis was still very fluid Monday night.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at September 17, 2013 09:07 AM (f9c2L)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now more than ever. at September 17, 2013 09:07 AM (VtjlW)
Posted by: Boss Moss at September 17, 2013 09:07 AM (0axsw)
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at September 17, 2013 09:08 AM (dfYL9)
Posted by: Spun and Murky at September 17, 2013 09:08 AM (4DCSq)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) MFM Delenda Est at September 17, 2013 09:08 AM (/PCJa)
Posted by: Insomniac at September 17, 2013 09:08 AM (DrWcr)
The whole point of their collective screeching, and caterwauling is to ban the AR-15, and other so called assault weapons. The facts in any given incident mean nothing. It's a shooting! Quick, lets ban assault weapons and hi cap banana clip thingies!
Posted by: Sticky Wicket at September 17, 2013 09:09 AM (sCynV)
Posted by: Beagle at September 17, 2013 09:09 AM (sOtz/)
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Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at September 17, 2013 09:09 AM (+lsX1)
Posted by: steevy at September 17, 2013 09:09 AM (9XBK2)
Posted by: NCKate at September 17, 2013 09:09 AM (bGGsv)
Posted by: hello, it's me also a creep-assed cracka.. at September 17, 2013 09:09 AM (9+ccr)
Posted by: Boss Moss at September 17, 2013 09:10 AM (0axsw)
Posted by: chelsea danger at September 17, 2013 09:10 AM (KfDDN)
Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at September 17, 2013 09:10 AM (V3kRK)
Posted by: Pierced Organ at September 17, 2013 09:10 AM (eHIJJ)
Posted by: steevy at September 17, 2013 09:10 AM (9XBK2)
Posted by: Serious Cat at September 17, 2013 09:10 AM (UypUQ)
I don't know, would this be a good stunt? If Republicans actually passed a bill to ban the weapon that doesn't exist in order to embarrass the media?
The problem is, you wouldn't embarrass them. Because they'd simply memory hole what they said and make the story, "look, look! Dumbass Rethuglicans are teh stoopidz! They don't even know what kind of guns exist!"
A far better tactic, IMO, would be simply to bring the subject up at each instance of face time, e.g.,
"Well, Senator Poppins, don't you think this calls for more gun control?"
"I don't know, Wolf. Could you refresh my memory as to the kind of gun used?"
"Of course. An AK-47."
"No, that can't be right, Wolf. You see, here I have a transcript of your network's reporting. You said the gun used was an AR-15. I've never seen one of those, so I wonder if you could show me one?"
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at September 17, 2013 09:10 AM (zF6Iw)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 17, 2013 01:06 PM (9Xc5j)
__________________
Doesn't mean it's not bubbling under the surface.
Posted by: Truck Monkey at September 17, 2013 09:10 AM (32Ze2)
(so says Fox News!) Posted by: Spun and Murky
...........
Well, that lets conservatives and right-wingers off the list of people to blame!
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at September 17, 2013 09:11 AM (f9c2L)
Ace,
Your proposal (albeit tongue in cheek) actually makes sense. Start with banning the small hand phaser from Star Trek I. Not the side arm version (cannot conceal it) but the small pocket version. If that gets through, there is hope for adding other mythical guns.
I feel safer already, which is all that really matters, right?
Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at September 17, 2013 09:11 AM (EGPJQ)
Posted by: DangerGirl at September 17, 2013 09:11 AM (U7Ivf)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at September 17, 2013 09:11 AM (NSnWy)
Fake, but accurate.
My guess is the next tripe from Feinstein's mouth will be "what does it matter?".
That seems to be the popular phrase being used when someone completely screw the pooch and doesn't want to honestly admit it.
Posted by: Marcus at September 17, 2013 09:11 AM (GGCsk)
Posted by: @ParisParamus at September 17, 2013 09:11 AM (NmyQe)
Posted by: Furious George at September 17, 2013 09:12 AM (yFb77)
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at September 17, 2013 09:12 AM (dfYL9)
Posted by: ChampionCapua at September 17, 2013 09:12 AM (q00GQ)
Posted by: Orlandocon at September 17, 2013 09:12 AM (SldZ2)
When you die it doesn't hurt you, it only hurts the people around you. You are dead. The same with being stupid.
Posted by: sweet...ish at September 17, 2013 09:12 AM (bj+Nc)
Posted by: [/i][/b][/s]akula51 at September 17, 2013 09:12 AM (4p5/2)
Posted by: Truck Monkey at September 17, 2013 09:12 AM (32Ze2)
Maybe that's why some reports mentioned that he was "shooting high."
Controlling a three-round burst, even in a light-recoil rifle like the M4 is not trivial.
So....thank God for selective fire! We need more of it.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 17, 2013 09:12 AM (gqgiP)
Posted by: Orlandocon at September 17, 2013 01:12 PM (SldZ2)
And the middle class.
Posted by: Insomniac at September 17, 2013 09:12 AM (DrWcr)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at September 17, 2013 09:13 AM (IXrOn)
Posted by: Jesse Pinkman at September 17, 2013 09:13 AM (T0Pku)
Posted by: DangerGirl at September 17, 2013 09:13 AM (U7Ivf)
Quick OT aside:
After AlGrrr and a couple of his lick-spittle sycophants confidently predicted that 2013 would see an ice free arctic, NASA has announced that August set an all time high record for arctic sea ice.
If we can just convince AlGrrr to confidently predict that Obamacare will be the law of the land forever....it'll be dead, and buried inside a week's time.
Posted by: Sticky Wicket at September 17, 2013 09:13 AM (sCynV)
At the very least you could get lawmakers, both federal and state, to sign a petition banning the make-believe weapon. Seems like a thing James O'keefe and friends would do.
Posted by: Serious Cat at September 17, 2013 09:14 AM (UypUQ)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 17, 2013 09:14 AM (9Xc5j)
Posted by: hello, it's me also a creep-assed cracka.. at September 17, 2013 09:14 AM (9+ccr)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at September 17, 2013 09:14 AM (IXrOn)
But, see, the important thing to remember is he COULD have had an AR-15. So we must ban AR-15's and any other scary looking black guns to prevent that from happening.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea [/i][/s][/u][/b] at September 17, 2013 09:14 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: wth at September 17, 2013 09:14 AM (wAQA5)
Posted by: RS at September 17, 2013 09:15 AM (YAGV/)
You can always trust your life to the PiersMorgan over/under scatterbrain temper tantrum loaded with 12 gauge pantywads.
Posted by: Larry King's dentures at September 17, 2013 09:15 AM (bkTIc)
It's not actually built on an AR platform, it's just built to look and handle like one.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at September 17, 2013 09:15 AM (SY2Kh)
It's THEIR fault.
Counting 3,2,1,....
Posted by: Marcus at September 17, 2013 09:15 AM (GGCsk)
Posted by: Alien at September 17, 2013 09:15 AM (jccce)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) MFM Delenda Est at September 17, 2013 09:15 AM (/PCJa)
Posted by: Baldy at September 17, 2013 09:16 AM (tyDFN)
Posted by: Schrödinger's cat [/i] at September 17, 2013 09:16 AM (U2UQk)
Posted by: Pierced Organ at September 17, 2013 09:16 AM (eHIJJ)
Posted by: dananjcon at September 17, 2013 09:16 AM (wmU4G)
Posted by: Furious George at September 17, 2013 09:16 AM (yFb77)
Posted by: DangerGirl at September 17, 2013 01:13 PM (U7Ivf)
Holy shit thats funny. lol
Posted by: Berserker at September 17, 2013 09:16 AM (FMbng)
Banana clips are usually full of moussed-up permed hair.
*srednop*
Posted by: HeatherRadish™, BFD, ZOMG, WTF, BBQ, QED at September 17, 2013 09:16 AM (/kI1Q)
Posted by: Marcus at September 17, 2013 09:17 AM (GGCsk)
Posted by: FBI at September 17, 2013 09:17 AM (EGPJQ)
Posted by: BlueStateRebel at September 17, 2013 09:17 AM (7ObY1)
I posted this on the previous thread, but it's relevant to this thread, too, since it's all about the MFM's ironclad devotion to The Narrative above all else.
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So this is a cute little nugget from the NY Post story about the Lunatic Punkass Shooter (http://tiny.cc/1nfk3w):
Born and raised in Queens, Alexis lived on 77th Road in Kew Gardens Hills. He attended Hillcrest HS and bounced around Brooklyn, Staten Island and Harlem. In 2000, he obtained a rifle permit from the NYPD to shoot at local firing ranges, sources said. Alexis, 34, spent nearly four years in the Navy from May 2007 until 2011.
In other words, he was a New Yorker, not a Texan. Okay, MFM?
But the tidbit I find most interesting was this, regarding Lunatic Punkass Shooter's time with the local Buddhist temple in Fort Worth:
A temple member said Alexis could chant better than some of the Thai worshippers. But the vet was disgruntled over military dismissal. “He thought he never got a promotion because of the color of his skin,” said the fellow congregant, Ty Thairintr.
Odds we hear anything else about that in the rest of the mainstream motherfucking media? Probably nil.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea [/i][/s][/u][/b] at September 17, 2013 09:18 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: eleven at September 17, 2013 09:18 AM (KXm42)
Has anyone here wondered why so many of these mass shootings are happening under obamas watch?
As Mary Cloggenstein would say, it's the desperation of good people driven to extreme actions because of the hatred, racism and obstructionism of the Rethuglican party in opposing all the good Obama (PBUH) is attempting.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at September 17, 2013 09:18 AM (zF6Iw)
160 Actually, from the initial reports, he had a fully-automatic rapid-fire high-powered military-style folding-stock silenced flash-suppressed 9mm 12-gauge Assault Glock AK-15 shotgun.
With the shoulder thing that goes up, a bayonet, a compass in the stock, and this thing that tells time.
Loaded with high-capacity magazine banana clips full of 'cop-killer' bullet cartridges.
With the optional double-barreled over/under 40mm grenade launcher AND the flame-thrower.
And, it was BLACK (possibly 'WHITE-Black'), and in the 40 megawatt range.
I think CNN confirmed this...
Posted by: Parker at September 17, 2013 10:29 AM (YkW3i)
Posted by: Sharkman at September 17, 2013 09:18 AM (5mRmR)
Am I exaggerating here?
Posted by: Mallfly at September 17, 2013 09:18 AM (bJm7W)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) MFM Delenda Est at September 17, 2013 01:15 PM (/PCJa)
I'll send you my spare propeller.
Posted by: wrg500 at September 17, 2013 09:18 AM (kl3xJ)
Posted by: Bufalobob at September 17, 2013 09:18 AM (gYa22)
Posted by: maddogg at September 17, 2013 09:19 AM (xWW96)
They're all instruments of death and destruction!!!111!Damn you Wingerzzzz!!11!!1
Posted by: Libtard Scrunt #9 at September 17, 2013 09:19 AM (wmU4G)
Posted by: Serious Cat at September 17, 2013 01:10 PM (UypUQ)
Disagree, maybe that happened here, but there are no set outcomes. Me, let me be armed, I will take my chances.
Posted by: The Jackhole at September 17, 2013 09:19 AM (nTgAI)
Posted by: Marcus at September 17, 2013 09:19 AM (GGCsk)
I've posted in the other thread basically that when you have a guy who had two charges against him for unlawfully firing a weapon and an early termination from the military because of questionable conduct and still be hired as a military contractor, this goes beyond any gun control debate.
I declare Incompetence as the word of the decade.
Posted by: polynikes at September 17, 2013 09:19 AM (m2CN7)
Posted by: Big scary dude wearing sunglasses in a gun store late at night at September 17, 2013 09:20 AM (fd0Pp)
Posted by: steevy at September 17, 2013 09:20 AM (9XBK2)
Posted by: maddogg at September 17, 2013 09:20 AM (xWW96)
Posted by: Marcus at September 17, 2013 09:20 AM (GGCsk)
Posted by: Marcus at September 17, 2013 01:19 PM (GGCsk)
It'll also water your lawn and deworm your dog!
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea [/i][/s][/u][/b] at September 17, 2013 09:20 AM (4df7R)
Not sure, but it's definitely a dessert topping.
Posted by: Waterhouse at September 17, 2013 09:21 AM (uYaYO)
Then while he was in the military, he had an extensive string of offenses, including what the press refer to as "failures to show up for work". Once again, the media (who have essentially no exposure to and no interest in the military) show their total incomprehension of military matters.
When someone is a uniformed member of the armed services, "failure to show up for work" is spelled A-W-O-L, and it's a criminal offense. The sort of thing that when it is a repeated pattern, as it was here, typically leads to courts-martial and/or dishonorable discharges.
Instead, again, this guy skated without any substantive punishment, and he was given an honorable discharge despite being an absent, insubordinate, disorderly shitbird. Once again preserving his ability to buy weapons and to get a clearance.
Pretty clear what's been going on. Like Saint Trayvon Of The Bloodied Hoodie, this guy was operating behind the diversity deflector shield. Committing offenses that should have landed him in bad trouble, and gotten him punished, and thereby kept him and others around him out of worse trouble later on.
But instead of having useful corrective consequences ensue, he was protected by his magic melanin layer, with the authorities, military and civilian alike, discreetly letting him slip through. Up until he went completely out of control.
Posted by: torquewrench at September 17, 2013 09:21 AM (gqT4g)
Posted by: steevy at September 17, 2013 01:10 PM (9XBK2)
I can't link it from work but look up Atchisson Assault Shotgun.
Posted by: Stonyman at September 17, 2013 09:21 AM (8TWw9)
In all seriousness, the shooter using the guards own weapons against his victims kinda discredits the idea of letting school teachers/guards have access to firearms in an emergency. :/
Posted by: Serious Cat at September 17, 2013 01:10 PM (UypUQ)
He still is only one person. He could have obtained 30 guns and still only been able to use two at a time at the most.
Posted by: polynikes at September 17, 2013 09:21 AM (m2CN7)
Posted by: BCochran1981 at September 17, 2013 09:21 AM (da5Wo)
At the very least you could get lawmakers, both federal and state, to sign a petition banning the make-believe weapon. Seems like a thing James O'keefe and friends would do.
Do the Di-Hydrogen Monoxide thingy. Kolledge kids will sign anything.
"We're proposing a total ban on Phased Plasma Rifles in the 40-watt range. Sign here."
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at September 17, 2013 09:21 AM (0HooB)
Posted by: Mike Lupica at September 17, 2013 09:22 AM (Pr6hk)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at September 17, 2013 09:22 AM (NSnWy)
The internet is pushing a video with two people on an MSM broadcast about the tragedy in DC, laughing. Haven't watched the video, can't watch it but it seems to have a lot of people angry.
Posted by: ......... at September 17, 2013 09:22 AM (Nx76m)
Posted by: Joe Biden at September 17, 2013 09:22 AM (0axsw)
Posted by: steevy at September 17, 2013 09:22 AM (9XBK2)
Posted by: Michael at September 17, 2013 09:22 AM (Y/HG5)
Posted by: RS at September 17, 2013 09:22 AM (YAGV/)
Posted by: [/i][/b][/s]akula51 at September 17, 2013 09:22 AM (4p5/2)
Posted by: Sharknado 2: AR-15 Sharks at September 17, 2013 09:22 AM (X866z)
It's easy to make a shotgun an AR 15 shotgun, just add a little plastic handle
- Diane Fartstein
Posted by: The Jackhole at September 17, 2013 09:23 AM (nTgAI)
Yeah that is a good idea. Extending that logic we should just disarm the police too.
Heck let us just disarm everyone in that case then there will be no weapons. It'll just be a perfect world,...... ***claps hands in joy******
Posted by: Dandolo at September 17, 2013 09:23 AM (0XBx+)
Posted by: Ralphie at September 17, 2013 09:23 AM (SO2Q8)
Posted by: Schrödinger's cat [/i] at September 17, 2013 09:23 AM (U2UQk)
Posted by: maddogg at September 17, 2013 09:24 AM (xWW96)
Only if we can distribute the blame in a bipartisan manner.
Posted by: Fritz at September 17, 2013 09:24 AM (UzPAd)
Posted by: cork@cp-carrillo.com at September 17, 2013 09:24 AM (hbAdE)
Posted by: FBI at September 17, 2013 01:17 PM (EGPJQ)
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We also found a Hello Kitty Bubble-Pistol with the serial number filed off. And a high-capacity paper silhouette gun.
Posted by: ATF at September 17, 2013 09:24 AM (k4bdL)
Posted by: Liberty Lover at September 17, 2013 09:24 AM (encrR)
Posted by: DangerGirl at September 17, 2013 09:24 AM (Ryac4)
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Posted by: Richard McEnroe at September 17, 2013 09:25 AM (vazwI)
Posted by: steevy at September 17, 2013 09:25 AM (9XBK2)
When you think of news, remember that term. If you don't, then I'll be here to remind you because it's my new crusade. That and promoting Peruvia.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at September 17, 2013 09:26 AM (eHIJJ)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 17, 2013 09:26 AM (9Xc5j)
Posted by: BCochran1981 at September 17, 2013 09:26 AM (da5Wo)
Posted by: @ParisParamus at September 17, 2013 09:26 AM (NmyQe)
Posted by: the Butcher at September 17, 2013 09:26 AM (8g9qq)
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Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at September 17, 2013 09:26 AM (0HooB)
Posted by: Snail racing champion, on the move at September 17, 2013 09:27 AM (cj0Yi)
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Posted by: maddogg at September 17, 2013 01:27 PM (xWW96)
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And fish have no word for water...
Posted by: Parker at September 17, 2013 09:28 AM (YkW3i)
We must ban this weapon that has already been banned from reality by reason of Not Existing.
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hmmm, let me put this on my list of things to mock on the show. Yes, topical, controversial, media Idiocy...it goes to #4,512 on the list.
Posted by: Jon Stewart at September 17, 2013 09:29 AM (SO2Q8)
Posted by: bonhomme at September 17, 2013 09:29 AM (yETln)
Posted by: Sharkman at September 17, 2013 09:29 AM (5mRmR)
You'll love the Popiel Pocket AR 15 Shotgun!
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Posted by: real joe at September 17, 2013 09:29 AM (HfzFY)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now more than ever. at September 17, 2013 09:29 AM (VtjlW)
Posted by: butch at September 17, 2013 01:27 PM (0APJ3)
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Of course not - that would be silly.
Posted by: Parker at September 17, 2013 09:30 AM (YkW3i)
Posted by: steevy at September 17, 2013 09:30 AM (9XBK2)
Posted by: Jean at September 17, 2013 09:30 AM (CMlD4)
Posted by: boloth357 at September 17, 2013 09:30 AM (KWjL3)
http://tinyurl.com/l5ufldf
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at September 17, 2013 09:30 AM (NSnWy)
Its a piece of crap that shoots the nearly worthless .410 shotgun shell, but it does exist, and modular uppers are available that will fit on any AR-15 platform gun.
Posted by: looking closely at September 17, 2013 09:30 AM (6Q9g2)
Posted by: real joe at September 17, 2013 09:30 AM (HfzFY)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now more than ever. at September 17, 2013 09:31 AM (VtjlW)
Posted by: Fritz at September 17, 2013 09:31 AM (UzPAd)
Posted by: panzernashorn at September 17, 2013 09:31 AM (MhA4j)
I am not a supporter of any gun ban whatsoever, but please note that many different companies make very popular assault rifle shotguns, including, for example, Saiga, MKA 1919, etc. They do exist and thus please do not give the gun grabbers any ideas.
I fully understand the point your making, but would caution you in overstating that these types of weapons do not exist. That is not entirely accurate either. Just sayin'...
Posted by: Aaron Burr at September 17, 2013 09:31 AM (uvVb6)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at September 17, 2013 01:22 PM"
This time of year I think we need to throw in the Jack-Chop, with Fuckin' Glow Stick option.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at September 17, 2013 09:31 AM (knoK7)
Posted by: Andy at September 17, 2013 09:31 AM (ajB9U)
Posted by: BCochran1981 at September 17, 2013 09:32 AM (da5Wo)
Posted by: Barny Frank at September 17, 2013 09:32 AM (Hx2XA)
Just the stuff you see, pal.
Posted by: grognard at September 17, 2013 09:32 AM (/29Nl)
http://www.bigbuckhunter.com
Posted by: scottst at September 17, 2013 09:32 AM (IX7iP)
http://tinyurl.com/dcplb6
Again, IMO, the .410 shotshell is useless for shooting anything bigger than a large rat. Effective range is limited to only a few yards, and shotshell payload is limited too. But it does exist.
Posted by: looking closely at September 17, 2013 09:32 AM (6Q9g2)
Can it core a apple, Oh Chef of the Future?
Posted by: Mallfly at September 17, 2013 09:33 AM (bJm7W)
Posted by: HeatherRadish™, BFD, ZOMG, WTF, BBQ, QED at September 17, 2013 09:33 AM (/kI1Q)
Posted by: David Carradine at September 17, 2013 09:33 AM (Hx2XA)
Posted by: awkward davies at September 17, 2013 09:33 AM (WK8VM)
Arnett saw some long discredited shit on the tubes about us using nerve gas in Vietnam and pimped it hard without doing his homework.
That ended his CNN career.
The Mother Jones shit Morgan is pimping is just as bogus as the Vietnam nerve gas story was.
Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/u][/s] at September 17, 2013 09:34 AM (9MLX+)
. But back to my point...you have to a) pass the test, b) make the cutoff score and c) have evaluations that recommend you for advancement. If you are a raggedy ass worker, which may be the case with him, then you won't make it. His fucking SKIN COLOR had nothing to do with it! I am so fucking tired of these assholes hiding behind the shade of their skin. And the same goes for women hiding behind their sex.
Anyway...my $0.02.
Posted by: I Be That Chick On Her iPad at September 17, 2013 09:34 AM (kVw0W)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at September 17, 2013 09:34 AM (NSnWy)
Posted by: Daybrother at September 17, 2013 09:34 AM (K7xH1)
@168 Anna Puma
Russian Arctic base
I knew something like this would be in the article, first paragraph:
"increasingly navigable Northern Sea Route".
Doh! That was true in 2007.
Posted by: Beagle at September 17, 2013 09:35 AM (sOtz/)
Posted by: MJ at September 17, 2013 09:35 AM (uUq75)
Posted by: BCochran1981 at September 17, 2013 09:35 AM (da5Wo)
Posted by: Senator Sophia at September 17, 2013 09:35 AM (8RtZ8)
Posted by: Jean at September 17, 2013 09:35 AM (CMlD4)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now more than ever. at September 17, 2013 09:35 AM (VtjlW)
Anyone remember "underground" comix artist Spain Rodriguez' story "Plate Job"?
Maybe Project MK-ULTRA musta had grandkids.
Posted by: ButwhaddaIknow? at September 17, 2013 09:36 AM (5aT64)
Posted by: Jay in Ames at September 17, 2013 09:36 AM (i2Lsf)
Posted by: BCochran1981 at September 17, 2013 09:36 AM (da5Wo)
Posted by: polynikes at September 17, 2013 09:37 AM (m2CN7)
It sounds to me like Lunatic Punkass Shooter had zero direction in life and was trying to find something to give him a sense of purpose.
He joined the Navy reserves and sucked at it. They kicked him out.
He joined a Buddhist temple and seemed to be doing well at it, if that can be said of attending a temple. But chanting and meditating only work if they accomplish what they're meant to accomplish: namely bringing peace and calm to a person's internal self. Sounds like this guy was TRYING to find that but couldn't get past his real life hang-ups (like the "damn racists wouldn't give me a promotion!" argument).
Then he goes to the VA for treatment of mental disorders. Again, trying to get an outside actor to heal what was wrong inside. Clearly it didn't work, or didn't have time to work.
This guy was a sick man. He shouldn't have had any kind of clearance, let alone a job at the Navy Yard. If he'd remained a waiter at the Happy Bowl in Fort Worth, twelve people may be alive today who are dead now.
Multiple people fucked up multiple times along the way with this guy, either by allowing him to coast on minor offenses or simply shuffling him somewhere else to become someone else's problem. In the end he is the murderer and all the guilt lies with him and him alone, but there are a lot of people who helped put the turtle on that post.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea [/i][/s][/u][/b] at September 17, 2013 09:38 AM (4df7R)
Ya know what else doesn't exist? Brain cells! Take a look...
*lifts up nostrils so you can look up his nose*
Posted by: TV's Joe Biden at September 17, 2013 09:38 AM (Hx2XA)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at September 17, 2013 09:38 AM (NSnWy)
Posted by: Pistol Packing Face-Sized Spider at September 17, 2013 09:38 AM (zF6Iw)
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AR-15 shotguns are not "make-believe" and banning them would be as pointless (and stupid) as all the other cosmetic gun bans. These are just otherwise normal shotguns that are made up to look like AR-15 rifles; they're not any more or less dangerous.
What's the point? Well, the AR-15 platform is pretty popular and if you're already familiar with using one, then it makes a sort of sense to have your defensive shotgun have a similar feel and controls.
Posted by: looking closely at September 17, 2013 09:38 AM (6Q9g2)
Posted by: Jay in Ames at September 17, 2013 09:38 AM (i2Lsf)
Posted by: Senator Sophia at September 17, 2013 09:38 AM (8RtZ8)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at September 17, 2013 09:38 AM (0HooB)
Posted by: t-bird at September 17, 2013 09:39 AM (FcR7P)
http://tinyurl.com/l5ufldf
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at September 17, 2013 01:30 PM (NSnWy)
Is he hiring?
Posted by: Invictus at September 17, 2013 09:39 AM (OQpzc)
As someone mentioned above: the Akdal M1919:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akdal_MKA_1919
12 gauge and AR style but not an AR-15
Posted by: irright at September 17, 2013 09:39 AM (8GKDa)
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at September 17, 2013 09:40 AM (dfYL9)
@208 Anna Puma
That's true. They sent a submarine down to plant a marker a couple years ago. In addition to using surveys to make larger and larger claims on the ocean floor.
Posted by: Beagle at September 17, 2013 09:40 AM (sOtz/)
If that's true, it may explain the lack of details regarding the weapon he initially used. Probably won't stop the gun grabbers from referring to it as a "semi-automatic shotgun" though.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at September 17, 2013 09:40 AM (SY2Kh)
And who, pray tell, invited you?
Posted by: The Purple Spotted Snorklewhacker at September 17, 2013 09:40 AM (knoK7)
Surplus Peruvia Army AR-15 shotguns are best.
Posted by: drewd at September 17, 2013 09:40 AM (Xv7f/)
Posted by: DCPensFan at September 17, 2013 09:40 AM (ma/2m)
Posted by: BCochran1981 at September 17, 2013 09:40 AM (da5Wo)
Posted by: Pierced Organ at September 17, 2013 09:40 AM (wmU4G)
CNN's broadcast license renewal could probably be challenged on serial inaccuracy grounds.
There's a lot of mounting evidence, small and large.
If 500 SME bloggers started to dissect every minute of their broadcasts for inaccuricies and flat out untruths, I'm betting several dozen examples PER DAY, EVERY DAY, could be offered as evidence of their unfitness for license renewal.
Even Obama's FCC would have a hard time ignoring that.
Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/u][/s] at September 17, 2013 09:41 AM (9MLX+)
Double barrel AR-15 shotgun with laser scope doppler.
And the latest Mrs. Halver Series 3800 Radar-Jamming Framus?
Posted by: Sticky Wicket at September 17, 2013 09:41 AM (sCynV)
Posted by: Orlandocon at September 17, 2013 09:41 AM (SldZ2)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at September 17, 2013 09:41 AM (NSnWy)
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at September 17, 2013 09:41 AM (zF6Iw)
Posted by: Senator Sophia at September 17, 2013 09:42 AM (8RtZ8)
Posted by: Bud Norton at September 17, 2013 09:42 AM (6cOMd)
Posted by: Pistol Packing Face-Sized Spider at September 17, 2013 01:38 PM (zF6Iw)
So YOU'RE the source of those two muffled explosions I heard last night! I just assumed it was someone setting off unnecessary firecrackers nearby, or perhaps another meth lab blowing up downtown.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea [/i][/s][/u][/b] at September 17, 2013 09:42 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: ZombiePuppy at September 17, 2013 09:42 AM (ymH/8)
That is the term crazy people want to be called these days, isn't it?
Posted by: Dang at September 17, 2013 09:42 AM (Hx2XA)
Not so sure about that. There could well be twelve dead people at the renamed Sad Bowl in Ft. Worth today. Mentally unbalanced people can blow anywhere at anytime. By definition their minds aren't right so predictability is going to suck.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at September 17, 2013 09:42 AM (eHIJJ)
Posted by: Pistol Packing Face-Sized Spider at September 17, 2013 01:38 PM (zF6Iw)\
Just stay away from her cat of nine tails. She gets a little testy if anyone play with her toy without her I hear.
Posted by: wrg500 at September 17, 2013 09:43 AM (jShXB)
You rarely hear about this kind a mass shooting shit in Miami. Just saying...
Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/u][/s] at September 17, 2013 09:43 AM (9MLX+)
Specifically, Republicans. If not for the sequester cuts, our highly effective federal government would've functioned with the efficiency we've all come to know and appreciate.
Also, ban guns.
/leftist hack
Posted by: Hollowpoint at September 17, 2013 09:44 AM (SY2Kh)
Posted by: t-bird at September 17, 2013 09:44 AM (FcR7P)
Posted by: The Purple Spotted Snorklewhacker at September 17, 2013 01:40 PM (knoK7)
o_O
Are you that big ass thing the size of my hand with six long legs and a segemented body and POSSIBLY wings that I saw sitting on the wall above the kitchen cupboards the other day? Because seriously, WTF? Go outside!
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea [/i][/s][/u][/b] at September 17, 2013 09:44 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Upper Class Twits at September 17, 2013 09:44 AM (vL0AO)
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This is actually true.
The press and anti-gun crowd love to rail on "machine guns" (even though they've been effectively unavailable to the general public for more than 70 years).
But the fact is, these things are incredibly hard to control during use, and people using them are highly prone to wasting ammo. That's why full auto capability was REMOVED from the military M16. . .it was too easy for infantry to deplete their magazines quickly during combat.
If all these lunatic mass-shooters were using full-auto guns, they'd likely be burning through their ammo stocks much faster, mostly in waste. That's preferable to the contrary, of firing only one shot at a time.
Posted by: looking closely at September 17, 2013 09:45 AM (6Q9g2)
Posted by: steevy at September 17, 2013 09:45 AM (9XBK2)
Posted by: Schrödinger's cat [/i] at September 17, 2013 09:45 AM (U2UQk)
Ban the penis. It is evil and responsible for uncountable misdeeds.
Posted by: Marcus at September 17, 2013 09:45 AM (GGCsk)
Posted by: Brother Cavil at September 17, 2013 09:45 AM (naUcP)
Posted by: Journalism Professor at September 17, 2013 09:45 AM (Hx2XA)
That would be a different creepy-crawly.
Posted by: The Purple Spotted Snorklewhacker at September 17, 2013 09:46 AM (knoK7)
236 It's almost like all these shooters are mentally ill.
That is the term crazy people want to be called these days, isn't it?
Posted by: Dang at September 17, 2013 01:42 PM
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Differently Realitied
Posted by: irright at September 17, 2013 09:46 AM (8GKDa)
Even Obama's FCC would have a hard time ignoring that.
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No they wouldn't. Like most of these executive-staffed panels, the FCC is highly politicized.
Sure, they'd probably hear about it, but it wouldn't affect anything they did.
Posted by: looking closely at September 17, 2013 09:46 AM (6Q9g2)
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea at September 17, 2013 01:42 PM (4df7R)
Yeah, my bad. TV makes it look so easy. . .
Posted by: Slightly Singed Meth-Making Spider Clown at September 17, 2013 09:46 AM (zF6Iw)
Yes, it can core a apple! Ha Ha!
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at September 17, 2013 01:41 PM (zF6Iw)
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Excellent as i seem to have gotten an apple wedged up my ass....again
Posted by: Bwarney Frank at September 17, 2013 09:46 AM (SO2Q8)
Posted by: Low Information Voter at September 17, 2013 09:46 AM (Dwehj)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at September 17, 2013 09:47 AM (NSnWy)
1. Theres a reason why Pierce M is a subject, and not a citizen.
2. Are there any stats on the number of criminals who are registered democrats? Thats probably a better indicator of criminal activity (and sanity for that matter).
Posted by: MikeB at September 17, 2013 09:47 AM (N8Ijm)
Cheney's fault, remember he didn't leave the remote for HARRP on the end table like he was supposed too.
Posted by: Jean at September 17, 2013 09:47 AM (CMlD4)
Thank you.
Posted by: Chris Christie at September 17, 2013 09:47 AM (wmU4G)
Posted by: The Purple Spotted Snorklewhacker at September 17, 2013 01:46 PM (knoK7)
WONDERFUL.
I'm going ot have to move at this rate...
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea [/i][/s][/u][/b] at September 17, 2013 09:47 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now more than ever. at September 17, 2013 09:47 AM (VtjlW)
And seriously, one of Pier's guest can't ever point out that Piers:
5. Bruised Jeremy Clarkson's knuckles with his face.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at September 17, 2013 09:47 AM (0HooB)
But it is protected under the Second Appendage. It's similar to the Second Amendment, only different.
Posted by: Marcus at September 17, 2013 09:48 AM (GGCsk)
Posted by: I Be That Chick On Her iPad at September 17, 2013 09:48 AM (kVw0W)
Posted by: gracepmc at September 17, 2013 09:48 AM (rznx3)
Posted by: Javems at September 17, 2013 09:48 AM (nTgAI)
Posted by: Vote Lord Humungus 2016 at September 17, 2013 09:48 AM (HEa5q)
Posted by: buzzion at September 17, 2013 09:48 AM (LI48c)
Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/u][/s] at September 17, 2013 09:48 AM (9MLX+)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now more than ever. at September 17, 2013 09:49 AM (VtjlW)
Posted by: Slightly Singed Meth-Making Spider Clown at September 17, 2013 01:46 PM (zF6Iw)
Well if nothing else, with a nic like that, you'll always have a job in television. "Supernatural" could probably base an entire season around you.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea [/i][/s][/u][/b] at September 17, 2013 09:49 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at September 17, 2013 09:49 AM (dfYL9)
Posted by: MJ at September 17, 2013 09:50 AM (uUq75)
Posted by: Joe Biden at September 17, 2013 09:50 AM (yETln)
No, no...we like having you right here. Of course, building an addition to the closet would be greatly appreciated. It's getting a bit crowded in here, and the spiders have very poor trigger discipline.
Posted by: The Purple Spotted Snorklewhacker at September 17, 2013 09:50 AM (knoK7)
Posted by: Nasty Nancy at September 17, 2013 09:50 AM (bUmSq)
Posted by: DangerGirl at September 17, 2013 09:51 AM (Os+6p)
Posted by: Piers Morgan at September 17, 2013 09:51 AM (Dwehj)
I'm going to have to move at this rate...
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea at September 17, 2013 01:47 PM (4df7R)
Remember to give us a call!
- Face-Sized Spider Moving Company
Our Motto: Eight Arms to Move Your Junk!
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Posted by: Slightly Singed Meth-Making Spider Clown at September 17, 2013 09:51 AM (zF6Iw)
I have no about wielding the MFM's "wrong but good-intentioned" tactics against them, but it is good to know the true facts when doing so.
http://www.gunblast.com/ATI-T14.htm
Posted by: flounder at September 17, 2013 09:51 AM (Kkt/i)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now more than ever. at September 17, 2013 09:52 AM (VtjlW)
Posted by: AR-15 AmishDude at September 17, 2013 09:52 AM (T0NGe)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now more than ever. at September 17, 2013 01:49 PM (VtjlW)
My method is to pitch the canister a few feet away from the deck, then retrieve it by extending a broom or mop out towards the canister, hooking the edge, dragging it back, and then beating the living hell out of it with said broom or mop until I'm pretty sure whatever might have been living in or on it is dead.
And yes, I do wear shoes. *nod*
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea [/i][/s][/u][/b] at September 17, 2013 09:52 AM (4df7R)
She since married and divorced the poor motherfucker who thought he was getting a prize away from me, and she's probably slashing and burning her way across some other poor bastard's psyche right now.
Posted by: grognard at September 17, 2013 09:52 AM (/29Nl)
Just don't wear shoes during the move. We've become pretty attached to them and the missus is adding on one helluva nursery.
Posted by: Reclusive Arachnid, Esquire at September 17, 2013 09:52 AM (eHIJJ)
Posted by: BCochran1981 at September 17, 2013 09:52 AM (da5Wo)
My takeaway from all this is basically that Alexis was both 1) demonstrably, admittedly, mentally ill, and, 2) had shot at people and things before.
So if present gun laws were enforced he should not have had one. This suggests more gun laws may not be a panacea.
I know, right? Unexpectedly.
Posted by: Beagle at September 17, 2013 09:53 AM (sOtz/)
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Probably because they're pieces of crap with little real-world value.
But if you really want one, and you already have an AR-15 pattern rifle, you can buy just the .410 gauge upper conversion to convert your already existing Ar-15 into a shotgun.
Something like this:
http://tinyurl.com/nc2ouwt
Best thing about this, is that since the upper doesn't contain its own receiver, its not legally a "gun" and you can pay cash for it and have it mailed directly to your house, legally.
Bad thing about it, its a piece of crap.
Posted by: looking closely at September 17, 2013 09:53 AM (PwGfd)
Posted by: Javems at September 17, 2013 01:48 PM (nTgAI)
They do make the 870 with a pistol grip on the pump. Still doesn't look like an AR but closer.
Posted by: polynikes at September 17, 2013 09:53 AM (m2CN7)
Posted by: t-bird at September 17, 2013 09:53 AM (FcR7P)
Posted by: Tami[/i][/b][/u][/s] at September 17, 2013 09:53 AM (bCEmE)
Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at September 17, 2013 09:54 AM (SzAZ7)
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea at September 17, 2013 01:52 PM (4df7R)
AA-12 may be a better option. At least more fun.
Posted by: wrg500 at September 17, 2013 09:54 AM (jShXB)
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at September 17, 2013 09:54 AM (dfYL9)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at September 17, 2013 09:54 AM (IXrOn)
She since married and divorced the poor motherfucker who thought he was getting a prize away from me, and she's probably slashing and burning her way across some other poor bastard's psyche right now.
My last boss was a Buddhist. She was a big Michael Moore fan and batshit crazy to boot (BIRM).
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at September 17, 2013 09:54 AM (0HooB)
Posted by: HeatherRadish™, BFD, ZOMG, WTF, BBQ, QED at September 17, 2013 09:54 AM (/kI1Q)
Posted by: BCochran1981 at September 17, 2013 09:55 AM (da5Wo)
http://tinyurl.com/ku6dy5d
If what you want is a ban Pierce the guy EOing tweaks is your cowboy...
Posted by: Preznit Urkle X at September 17, 2013 09:55 AM (9jfyN)
Posted by: The Purple Spotted Snorklewhacker at September 17, 2013 01:50 PM (knoK7)
I'll take it under advisement.
Suits me. I'll always be with you no matter where you go.
Posted by: Nameless Tentacled Cosmic Horror at September 17, 2013 01:50 PM (tWmgi)
Hey you! Long time no nightmare! How's it going? The "driving hapless innocents past the brink of madness into the hell dimensions of dread insanity" business working out for you?
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Posted by: Slightly Singed Meth-Making Spider Clown at September 17, 2013 01:51 PM (zF6Iw)
I'm having a "Joe's Apartment" moment here...
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea [/i][/s][/u][/b] at September 17, 2013 09:55 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: polynikes at September 17, 2013 01:37 PM (m2CN7)
I think the prosecutor had a chat with Alexis' CO and decided, all things considered, to let the Navy deal with its nutcase and cleared his docket out a little. The police report is full of little liars tells on Alexis' part and the prosecutor shouldn't have cut him a break despite the risks of what he couldn't absolutely prove (that A. did it deliberately).
Posted by: sarahw at September 17, 2013 09:56 AM (LYwCh)
Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/u][/s] at September 17, 2013 09:56 AM (9MLX+)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at September 17, 2013 09:56 AM (NSnWy)
Posted by: David at September 17, 2013 09:57 AM (UtRhK)
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Assuming enough practice, you can probably do it with most of these, but I've tried a full auto M16 and found it "difficult" to control.
Submachine guns are a lot easier to keep on target in full auto fire, mostly because they're designed better for that purpose and also because they use lower-recoiling pistol rounds.
From experience, the MP5 is reasonably easy to fire in controlled bursts, if you want to. I've heard Uzis are as well, but never had the "privilege".
Posted by: looking closely at September 17, 2013 09:57 AM (PwGfd)
OK you mythical gun-grabbers you, I gotta go do stuff.
Y'all have fun and try not to trash the place, 'k?
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at September 17, 2013 09:57 AM (0HooB)
Posted by: Piers Morgan at September 17, 2013 09:57 AM (Dwehj)
Posted by: Reclusive Arachnid, Esquire at September 17, 2013 01:52 PM (eHIJJ)
...
Note to self: buy new shoes.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea [/i][/s][/u][/b] at September 17, 2013 09:57 AM (4df7R)
Like "no private ownership of plasma rifles with a 40-watt range."
Posted by: McAdams at September 17, 2013 09:58 AM (20aP5)
Posted by: Chaos, it the other dark meat at September 17, 2013 09:58 AM (oDCMR)
Posted by: Marcus at September 17, 2013 01:45 PM (GGCsk)
The gun is good! The penis is evil!
Posted by: Minions of Zardoz at September 17, 2013 09:59 AM (RD7QR)
Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at September 17, 2013 09:59 AM (SzAZ7)
307 Follow the 10 Ga. Path. Posted by: Buddhist Shooter at September 17, 2013 01:55 PM
---------------
Ahh, Roadblocker.
Posted by: Blind Shaolin dude at September 17, 2013 09:59 AM (8GKDa)
Posted by: bonhomme at September 17, 2013 09:59 AM (yETln)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at September 17, 2013 09:59 AM (NSnWy)
Posted by: maddogg at September 17, 2013 09:59 AM (xWW96)
Posted by: Serious Cat at September 17, 2013 01:10 PM (UypUQ)
Not really. It illustrates the folly of having only one or two armed guards at a facility. Makes it very easy for a perp to take out one guard and avoid the other, or take out both, and then have unimpeded freedom to kill as he pleases. If numerous people in a facility have carry weapons, or access to hidden stored weapons, there would be a chance for somebody to bring a weapon to bear and return fire.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at September 17, 2013 10:00 AM (8Fl6F)
And the latest Mrs. Halver Series 3800 Radar-Jamming Framus?
Posted by: Sticky Wicket at September 17, 2013 01:41 PM (sCynV)
=========
Fitted with a Turbo Encabulator!
http://biggeekdad.com/2010/11/turbo-encabulator/
Posted by: Nighthawk at September 17, 2013 10:00 AM (OtQXp)
Posted by: Javems at September 17, 2013 01:48 PM (nTgAI)
They do make the 870 with a pistol grip on the pump. Still doesn't look like an AR but closer.
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If you want to, you can throw an AR-15/M4 like stock on your 870, giving you a similar feel and appearance. See here:
http://tinyurl.com/oyefzlr
Posted by: looking closely at September 17, 2013 10:00 AM (PwGfd)
Posted by: sarahw at September 17, 2013 01:56 PM (LYwCh)
I don't disagree with that likely scenario but wouldn't you think that in this age of technology and after 9/11 that law enforcement across the nation could access whether someone had been arrested previously for similar or worse charges? At the least , his ability to own a firearm should have come into question if his 2004 arrest had been ascertained.
Posted by: polynikes at September 17, 2013 10:00 AM (m2CN7)
Posted by: bonhomme at September 17, 2013 10:00 AM (yETln)
Posted by: Walter Duranty at September 17, 2013 10:00 AM (Pr6hk)
Posted by: PMRich at September 17, 2013 10:01 AM (KDUNf)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now more than ever. at September 17, 2013 10:01 AM (VtjlW)
Posted by: DangerGirl at September 17, 2013 10:01 AM (z+Xap)
There's only about 10 million 870's in circulation.
Posted by: garrett at September 17, 2013 10:01 AM (W0dfN)
Posted by: Later Tater at September 17, 2013 10:01 AM (dZpPM)
The man confessed - and confessed to amnesia and "blackout rage" and that he retaliated for "mocking" - if you read the report he sounds perfectly paranoid, especially in light of the workers on the site saying they never had any kind of verbal contact. The PTSD sob story seems to have done the trick , when it should have done the opposite, and made it more imperative than ever label him unfit for certain activities with a conviction.
Posted by: sarahw at September 17, 2013 10:02 AM (LYwCh)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at September 17, 2013 10:02 AM (NSnWy)
Posted by: Schrödinger's cat [/i] at September 17, 2013 10:02 AM (U2UQk)
Posted by: Iblis at September 17, 2013 10:03 AM (9221z)
What happens when flying cars and plasma rifles develop? The law will be on the books and no law ever gets repealed no matter how stupid.
Posted by: The Future is Now at September 17, 2013 10:03 AM (eHIJJ)
weapons against his victims kinda discredits the idea of letting school
teachers/guards have access to firearms in an emergency. :/
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So what's the alternative, having NO armed guards at all?
The fact is, no armed guard is going to survive a sneak-attack by someone with a concealed weapon who knows how to use it. Human reaction time is too slow for that.
You need multiple armed individuals, better checkpoints, and better training.
Posted by: looking closely at September 17, 2013 10:03 AM (6Q9g2)
Meh. Business was better when intelligent people recognizes that I shouldn't exist and therefore went mad. With all these LIVs running around, they mostly just stare at me like mindless goobs and go back to eating their hipster whole foods granola in soy milk and rolling their next J.
Kids these days. Get off my 11th dimensional oblivion lawn.
Posted by: Nameless Tentacled Cosmic Horror at September 17, 2013 02:00 PM (tWmgi)
Man, people these days. And I bet they ask you if they can get Cthulu's autograph, too, without even CONSIDERING your feelings. Plus you'd have to wake him from his slumber in R'lyeh to get him to sign whatever cheap knicknack they asked him to autograph, and I hear Cthulu is NOT a morning person.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea [/i][/s][/u][/b] at September 17, 2013 10:03 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Tami[/i][/b][/u][/s] at September 17, 2013 10:03 AM (bCEmE)
Posted by: Low Information Voter at September 17, 2013 01:46 PM (Dwehj)
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LMAO!
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Posted by: dananjcon at September 17, 2013 10:03 AM (wmU4G)
I prefer my double-barrel AR-15 shotgun with an old-fashioned fetzer valve
Posted by: Irwin M. Fletcher at September 17, 2013 10:03 AM (Pr6hk)
I believe you meant "Riot shotgun widely used by police and military forces".
/MSM
Posted by: Hollowpoint at September 17, 2013 10:04 AM (SY2Kh)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) MFM Delenda Est at September 17, 2013 10:04 AM (/PCJa)
Posted by: buzzion at September 17, 2013 10:04 AM (LI48c)
Posted by: maddogg at September 17, 2013 10:04 AM (xWW96)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at September 17, 2013 02:02 PM (NSnWy)
Yea just a little pricey even in semi. My gun range has one to rent at the range. Less recoil than a .22 LR. ALOT of fun but I don't like the sights.
Posted by: wrg500 at September 17, 2013 10:04 AM (mwctc)
All the arguments the Left uses to justify legalizing drugs apply with equal force to making guns illegal: black market, new class of criminals, prison overcrowding and so on. But you do not have a specific constitutional right to own drugs. Nor can you defend yourself with drugs. Well, not easily anyway.
But they obviously relish the chance to jail most of the people in "flyover country". Camps, lots of camps.
Posted by: Beagle at September 17, 2013 10:05 AM (sOtz/)
Posted by: Tami[/i][/b][/u][/s] at September 17, 2013 10:05 AM (bCEmE)
Also: Early reports were that Alexis (they'd previous mis-identified him) used a stolen ID -purportedly from the poor slob they'd earlier mis-identied!!
Legislate penalties for stolen security IDs. NOW!
Posted by: socalcon at September 17, 2013 10:06 AM (vHlQ5)
Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at September 17, 2013 10:06 AM (SzAZ7)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at September 17, 2013 10:06 AM (NSnWy)
Posted by: Schrödinger's cat [/i] at September 17, 2013 10:06 AM (U2UQk)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now more than ever. at September 17, 2013 10:06 AM (VtjlW)
Posted by: Irwin M. Fletcher at September 17, 2013 02:03 PM"
You really need the S&W Disgronificator to get the most use out of the fetzer valve.
Posted by: The Purple Spotted Snorklewhacker at September 17, 2013 10:07 AM (knoK7)
Posted by: Iblis at September 17, 2013 10:07 AM (9221z)
I've always been a fan of the line "Why isn't it possible to strangle you with your own incompetence?"
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at September 17, 2013 10:09 AM (knoK7)
Posted by: socalcon at September 17, 2013 10:09 AM (vHlQ5)
Posted by: ace at September 17, 2013 10:09 AM (/IWYB)
DuckDuckGo.com search: !china knifeman spree killer
Posted by: 13times at September 17, 2013 10:09 AM (fGPLK)
I don't know, there have been countless boating accidents recently.
Posted by: SpongeBobSaget at September 17, 2013 10:09 AM (epxV4)
Posted by: I Be That Chick On Her iPad at September 17, 2013 10:10 AM (kVw0W)
None he's a banner...
period stop end of story...
if Obama went "year Zero" and "Killing Fields" Piers would clap...
#PlaneTicketForPonce
Posted by: sven10077 at September 17, 2013 10:10 AM (9jfyN)
Piers Speaks... After devoting a show to the Scourge of the AR-15, he now has a different position: "What difference does it make?"
____
Parroting Shrillary will get you nowhere, bloke.
Posted by: socalcon at September 17, 2013 10:10 AM (vHlQ5)
Posted by: Piers Morgan at September 17, 2013 10:11 AM (Dwehj)
I believe you meant "Riot shotgun widely used by police and military forces".
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Shotgun widely used by duck hunters and clay target shooters (among others) available at your local Walmart for under $400.
Or you can find one at an S-mart, like so:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hx3Bz6cIPiw
Posted by: looking closely at September 17, 2013 10:11 AM (6Q9g2)
When you've lost the argument....
Posted by: EC at September 17, 2013 10:11 AM (GQ8sn)
In my time it was full auto A1's
I played with both. I liked the FA on the A1's, (and it was not hard to keep your fire on target full auto), but I liked the heavier barrel on the A2's, and the three round burst wasn't that big a let down.
When my son went through Marine basic....they didn't even teach them to use open sights. They learned with optical sights. Lucky damn punk!
Posted by: Sticky Wicket at September 17, 2013 10:11 AM (sCynV)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at September 17, 2013 10:11 AM (IXrOn)
Posted by: eleven at September 17, 2013 02:10 PM (KXm42)
Sometimes, we get together, crack a beer, watch the albino penguins, and softly sing "tekeli-li" to each other. It's nice.
Posted by: grognard at September 17, 2013 10:11 AM (/29Nl)
You're all a bunch of AR-15 shotgun snobs! What's wrong with the AK-47 shotgun, huh? Huh? HUH? Bunch of hoity-toitys, I bet you all shoot with pinkies extended.
F'n Miss Manners gun-nuts the lot of you!
Posted by: Warthog at September 17, 2013 10:12 AM (WDySP)
Posted by: bonhomme at September 17, 2013 10:12 AM (yETln)
He had a structural get out of jail free card...
if Obama had a little brother he'd look a lot like Alexis
Posted by: sven10077 at September 17, 2013 10:12 AM (9jfyN)
Some of my best friends are Elder Things.
Posted by: grognard at September 17, 2013 02:08 PM
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Especially that High Priestess of smackin it: Jocelyn Elders
Posted by: Fred Willard at September 17, 2013 10:12 AM (8GKDa)
When my son went through Marine basic....they didn't even teach them to use open sights. They learned with optical sights. Lucky damn punk!
Posted by: Sticky Wicket at September 17, 2013 02:11 PM (sCynV)
My stepson had the A2's with ACOG's on them. Niiiiiiiice.....
Posted by: EC at September 17, 2013 10:12 AM (GQ8sn)
This is Pierced's only card to play and he'll play it until he's down to his socks and skivvies. He's trolling. Because he has to.
Let's not get too carried away attacking him and not the legislators like Feinstein who are the most acute threat to liberty.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at September 17, 2013 10:13 AM (eHIJJ)
Posted by: BCochran1981 at September 17, 2013 10:14 AM (da5Wo)
Posted by: maddogg at September 17, 2013 10:14 AM (xWW96)
Another demonstrated example of the diversity deflector shield doing its thing.
Over and over, Hasan demonstrated that he was professionally incompetent as a physician. Plus, his behavior was such that really only any of three things could explain it: (a) divided loyalties, (b) mental illness, (c) extreme personal eccentricity, and none of the three were compatible with the conduct of his duties as an officer.
But they kept him on because Diversity Uber Alles, and Shut Up They Explained.
Posted by: torquewrench at September 17, 2013 10:14 AM (gqT4g)
Posted by: Beagle at September 17, 2013 10:14 AM (sOtz/)
I now have to issue an apology to my brain cells used to process those 'words'. Those that didn't immediately explode, that is.
Posted by: GnuBreed at September 17, 2013 10:15 AM (wNF3N)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at September 17, 2013 10:15 AM (NSnWy)
Posted by: Minnfidel at September 17, 2013 10:15 AM (bXdYS)
Posted by: I Be That Chick On Her iPad at September 17, 2013 10:16 AM (kVw0W)
Posted by: steevy at September 17, 2013 10:16 AM (9XBK2)
Lots of confusion over exactly what guns Wash Navy Yard shooter used. But do you think it matters to the victims? #GunControlNow
— Piers Morgan (@piersmorgan) September 17, 2013
Nice to see he's being a good little minion and sticking with the Cankles Defense.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea [/i][/s][/u][/b] at September 17, 2013 10:17 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at September 17, 2013 10:17 AM (dfYL9)
Don't look now, but I am pretty sure there's a dick in your ear.
Posted by: Marcus at September 17, 2013 10:17 AM (GGCsk)
I'm 41 was trained on the A-1 and A-2 both....
and MadDog is dead on with "idiocy to not train iron first"...
ask Mog 93 how much fun gee-wiz with no batteries is...
Posted by: sven10077 at September 17, 2013 10:17 AM (9jfyN)
And.... the guy was being treated for various mental problems, including schizophrenia...
ie... he was on Mental drugs...
If you do a bit of research... you'll find most of the mass shooters and such were on such drugs....
and I have some personal experience with a loved one, who committed suicide while on said drugs....
I'm seeing a pattern that is not good for the 'psychiatric' industry.
Posted by: Romeo13 at September 17, 2013 10:17 AM (lZBBB)
That's a real game. My stepson works for the brewery that comissioned it. Actually, that game was a labour of love by a patron of the brewery who's really good at computer programming and stuff. He cobbled together a video game frame, the plumbing for the beer, and he wrote all the code himself for the game. I've played it a couple of times, and yes you do get beer at the end!
Big Boss Brewery.
I believe TR and GGE and other NC morons will hold our NCMoMee there in a few weeks.
Posted by: EC at September 17, 2013 10:17 AM (GQ8sn)
Boy, you're old.
At least he didn't have to learn on a semi-auto trebuchet like DaveInTexas.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at September 17, 2013 10:18 AM (SY2Kh)
My first shotgun at age 10 was a 870 in .410. I wish I would have kept instead of pawning it to pay rent when I was 19.
Posted by: polynikes at September 17, 2013 10:18 AM (m2CN7)
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Not only is there nothing wrong with the Saiga-12 (Kalashnikov-pattern) shotgun, its a LOT better than the AR-15 pattern ones.
http://tinyurl.com/35xnhv
Posted by: looking closely at September 17, 2013 10:18 AM (PwGfd)
Yup...
my father in law briefed wife and I both on the "birds and the bees of the FederaL Machine and race/gender"
the reason I hate it is it undermines the achievement of good men and women who bust ass despite the "most endangered" short cuts offered.
Posted by: sven10077 at September 17, 2013 10:19 AM (9jfyN)
>> I think the prosecutor had a chat with Alexis' CO and decided, all things considered, to let the Navy deal with its nutcase and cleared his docket out a little. The police report is full of little liars tells on Alexis' part and the prosecutor shouldn't have cut him a break despite the risks of what he couldn't absolutely prove (that A. did it deliberately).
.
.Civilian Prosecutors will do that sometimes if the crime isn't way too serious. But from my experience (and I have signed at least 5,000 DD 214's in my career as a Navy Chief and a Civilian doing the same job) once someone gets hurt or firearms are involved all bets are off.
As far as him being kicked out of the Navy for a pattern of misconduct, that is not really hard to do. One Mast with a Page 13 warning can do it, if the member gets in trouble again, automatic processing if you want it. I have seen hundreds of those cases. As long as an OTH is not involved and the member has less than 6 years, no Admin Board. A simple letter of Notification starts the 10 day process. They will be on their way in less than 2 weeks start to finish.
Posted by: Registered Voter at September 17, 2013 10:19 AM (xqjwP)
Posted by: phoenixgirl @phxazgrl at September 17, 2013 10:19 AM (8JJ6O)
The AA-12 is pretty damn awesome too.
Posted by: EC at September 17, 2013 10:19 AM (GQ8sn)
Before we start on the AR15 shotgun debate, lets first ban anyone who has ever admitted any illegal hacking of email or phone messages.
Posted by: MTF at September 17, 2013 10:19 AM (B5y+v)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at September 17, 2013 10:19 AM (NSnWy)
It was fake but accurate.
And my intentions are good.
Even though what you've uncovered with facts, makes what I said fallacy.
Posted by: Marcus at September 17, 2013 10:19 AM (GGCsk)
354 Cop I just spoke with says it was a Model 870 pump shotgun. Technology from the 19th century. Jeepers MFM is dumb.
I believe you meant "Riot shotgun widely used by police and military forces".
/MSM
The military (Marines, Army, SOCOM) stopped using pumps 14 years ago. They use semi-auto Bennelli's (Combat Shotgun). Cops use them because the sound of the pump racking a round has an extremely sobering effect on youths.
Posted by: Chaos, it the other dark meat at September 17, 2013 10:19 AM (oDCMR)
Exception that proves the rule. Maybe.
I mean, why rescind a perfectly good law like that when there has to be a better exception? Goofy Mormons and their super-nice-to-outsiders dogma going to be the death of this nation.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at September 17, 2013 10:19 AM (eHIJJ)
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The only thought they would give to an AR-15 would be to wish they had had one.
Posted by: irright at September 17, 2013 10:19 AM (8GKDa)
Posted by: SamIam at September 17, 2013 10:20 AM (HMI9a)
Posted by: Marcus at September 17, 2013 10:20 AM (GGCsk)
Posted by: Hollowpoint at September 17, 2013 02:18 PM (SY2Kh)
Or with slingshots made from Mastodon bones and smiladon sinews like Vic.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea [/i][/s][/u][/b] at September 17, 2013 10:20 AM (4df7R)
But the AR-15 crossbow will still be OK, right?
Posted by: Anachronda at September 17, 2013 02:18 PM (FzhYM)
Behold, the AR15 crossbow! http://tinyurl.com/l5yjqc4
Posted by: Insomniac at September 17, 2013 10:20 AM (DrWcr)
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Not really.
First of all, you can't (legally) own an AR-15 crossbow if the AR-15 receiver its built on is illegal.
But regardless, after banning every other sort of arm, the gun banners would eventually get around to banning crossbows too (as well as muzzle-loading single-shot black powder arms, etc).
Posted by: looking closely at September 17, 2013 10:20 AM (PwGfd)
Bonnie and Clyde had the best supplier of automatic weapons in the world, The United States federal government. Since military bases are not allowed to have weapons, you can steal all the weapons you want they'll have problems stopping you.
Posted by: burt at September 17, 2013 10:21 AM (1+kJ5)
Hehehe...
All the characters you can play are named after their beers. I like the Bad Penny beer/character. It's a 1970's black chick with a huge fro. Her finishing move is the ass attack!
Posted by: EC at September 17, 2013 10:21 AM (GQ8sn)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now more than ever. at September 17, 2013 10:21 AM (VtjlW)
http://tinyurl.com/lkzhvnm
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at September 17, 2013 10:22 AM (NSnWy)
Posted by: Marcus at September 17, 2013 10:22 AM (GGCsk)
Posted by: Low Information Voter at September 17, 2013 01:46 PM (Dwehj)
That's right. Just like the gun Gene Simmons used in the 1980s movie "Runaway" starring Tom Selleck.
Posted by: Slappy at September 17, 2013 10:22 AM (7e5vg)
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit Chelsea at September 17, 2013 02:03 PM (4df7R)
And believe me, you do NOT want to use the john after Hastur the Unspeakabkle. Holy Elvis! It's like something crawled up inside his feeder tentacles and died!
Posted by: Wilbur Whately at September 17, 2013 10:22 AM (zF6Iw)
Piers Morgan doesn't have a problem with guns, especially machine guns, as long as he can use them to brutally murder Jeremy Clarkson.
http://tinyurl.com/opn4b4t
(I'm gonna keep pimping this shit every time Morgan's name comes up in regards to guns. In before the troll/Intrade lives!)
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at September 17, 2013 10:22 AM (TIIx5)
Posted by: perturbed at September 17, 2013 10:23 AM (u6Ueb)
If this shooter was on the 4th floor and shooting with his shotgun/pistols, how was he making hits from that distance? Was he using slugs? Gotta be.
Posted by: EC at September 17, 2013 10:23 AM (GQ8sn)
That guy broke all 20,000 gun laws in one day, which extra one would Piersy want that would have stopped Mr. Mental McMental?
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at September 17, 2013 10:23 AM (sj9LN)
Posted by: David at September 17, 2013 10:23 AM (B5y+v)
AUSTRALIA: MORE VIOLENT CRIME DESPITE GUN BAN
April 13, 2009
It is a common fantasy that gun bans make society safer. In 2002 -- five years after enacting its gun ban -- the Australian Bureau of Criminology acknowledged there is no correlation between gun control and the use of firearms in violent crime. In fact, the percent of murders committed with a firearm was the highest it had ever been in 2006 (16.3 percent), says the D.C. Examiner.
Even Australia's Bureau of Crime Statistics and Research acknowledges that the gun ban had no significant impact on the amount of gun-involved crime:
-In 2006, assault rose 49.2 percent and robbery 6.2 percent.
-Sexual assault -- Australia's equivalent term for rape -- increased 29.9 percent.
-Overall, Australia's violent crime rate rose 42.2 percent.
Moreover, Australia and the United States -- where no gun-ban exists -- both experienced similar decreases in murder rates:
- Between 1995 and 2007, Australia saw a 31.9 percent decrease; without a gun ban, America's rate dropped 31.7 percent.
- During the same time period, all other violent crime indices increased in Australia: assault rose 49.2 percent and robbery 6.2 percent.
- Sexual assault -- Australia's equivalent term for rape -- increased 29.9 percent.
- Overall, Australia's violent crime rate rose 42.2 percent.
- At the same time, U.S. violent crime decreased 31.8 percent: rape dropped 19.2 percent; robbery decreased 33.2 percent; aggravated assault dropped 32.2 percent.
- Australian women are now raped over three times as often as American women.
While this doesn't prove that more guns would impact crime rates, it does prove that gun control is a flawed policy. Furthermore, this highlights the most important point: gun banners promote failed policy regardless of the consequences to the people who must live with them, says the Examiner.
Posted by: An Inconvenient Truth at September 17, 2013 10:23 AM (Pr6hk)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 17, 2013 10:26 AM (9Xc5j)
Uh Oh turns out O'bagy was a bag of shit...was never in Doctorate Level Program...
nice a fraud almost started WW3
Posted by: sven10077 at September 17, 2013 10:26 AM (9jfyN)
Wait, don't ban the AR-15 shotgun! It exists and I own one. ATI makes an AR in .410. Not really very practical but very cool, which is why I got it. And now I have an interesting conversational gambit in the wake of the latest "tragedy". Never "crime" or "atrocity"; always a "tragedy" as if there were no human agency involved, just and angry God or uncaring or malevolent nature or fate.
Posted by: Dan at September 17, 2013 10:27 AM (Rm6zv)
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Cops use pump shotguns because they're
1. Cheap
2. Highly reliable, and
3. Readily available, both as "legacy" department weapons and as new production.
Bluntly, 98% of cops will never have the need for suppressive fire, or to take a shot past 50 yards, and probably 98% of them SHOULD NOT be taking that kind of shot anyway. When the chips are down, most cops have a hard enough time hitting man-sized targets with handguns at under 20 yards.
Why outfit cops with $1500 Benelli M1014 shotguns, when they can get the exact same utility out of $400 pump Remingtons or Mossbergs?
Posted by: looking closely at September 17, 2013 10:27 AM (6Q9g2)
Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at September 17, 2013 10:28 AM (SzAZ7)
That's the way they like it.
Posted by: jbarntt at September 17, 2013 10:29 AM (UNFot)
Posted by: looking closely at September 17, 2013 02:27 PM (6Q9g2)
Because stimulus money!
Posted by: EC at September 17, 2013 10:29 AM (GQ8sn)
Posted by: Tami[/i][/b][/u][/s] at September 17, 2013 10:29 AM (bCEmE)
Dont laugh too soon or to loud! The AR15 Shotgun actually exists! It is known as the MKA 1919 Shotgun. It is a 12 Gauge AR15 Style shotgun made in Turkey and is avaialble thorugh Atlantic Firearms.
Posted by: GatorMcKlusky at September 17, 2013 10:29 AM (GYTqM)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 17, 2013 10:30 AM (9Xc5j)
Posted by: MDH3 at September 17, 2013 10:31 AM (GKyUC)
Posted by: Joe Biden, smart guy at large at September 17, 2013 10:31 AM (2MJaQ)
Posted by: panzernashorn at September 17, 2013 10:33 AM (MhA4j)
and MadDog is dead on with "idiocy to not train iron first"...
The ACOG is Marine Corps approved....and that group is not known for pampering equipment. Once the Marines have kicked something around for a few years, and they still like it, it's safe to assume it's sturdy, and reliable. Even then, recruits are still taught how to fight with bayonets, still taught hand to hand, and still
learn to put rounds on target through iron sights, (but they learn to shoot, and qualify on optics first).
Posted by: Sticky Wicket at September 17, 2013 10:36 AM (sCynV)
http://tinyurl.com/n8vbu89
Posted by: ......... at September 17, 2013 10:39 AM (Nx76m)
The ACOG is a fine device. I am not a neo-luddite however BRM should be precisely that Basic Rifle Marksmanship and the Marines, Soldiers, Sailors, and Airmen should all be able to hit the target 65% of the time with the Mk 1 eyeball first.
Sorry not negotiable.
Posted by: sven10077 at September 17, 2013 10:39 AM (9jfyN)
It's the BFG-9000.
That sucker is pure death...
Posted by: HH at September 17, 2013 10:41 AM (XXwdv)
If this shooter was on the 4th floor and shooting with his shotgun/pistols, how was he making hits from that distance? Was he using slugs? Gotta be.
Posted by: EC at September 17, 2013 02:23 PM (GQ8sn)
Or 00 buck, 4 stories is only 15 yards, not far at all, even #4 buck at that range is devastating
Posted by: The Jackhole at September 17, 2013 10:43 AM (nTgAI)
442 As a foreigner, may I ask the blindingly obvious question as to why the Navy Yard was not crawling with armed Marines with their safeties off before this shit even went down?
If the answer is "Because Obama", he needs to be arrested, tried for treason and shot.
Navy Yard is an Acquisition Command. Mostly civilian staff. Uniformed Sailors and Marines do not carry weapons unless their duty position requires it. Armed security is the province of private security.
Posted by: Chaos, it the other dark meat at September 17, 2013 10:44 AM (oDCMR)
http://tinyurl.com/kubtyxt
Twitter is not the place to be if you have no self control.
Posted by: ......... at September 17, 2013 10:44 AM (Nx76m)
460
and MadDog is dead on with "idiocy to not train iron first"...
The ACOG is Marine Corps approved....and that group is not known for pampering equipment. Once the Marines have kicked something around for a few years, and they still like it, it's safe to assume it's sturdy, and reliable. Even then, recruits are still taught how to fight with bayonets, still taught hand to hand, and still
learn to put rounds on target through iron sights, (but they learn to shoot, and qualify on optics first).
Be sure you buy the correct one. One is designed for Carbine the other for Rifle. Its a pre-set optic. Early on Marines were ransacking Non-Lethal Stores for ACOGs that were designed for Carbines and using them on their M16A4s. There is a distinct difference in ballistic profile between the two weapons.
Posted by: Chaos, it the other dark meat at September 17, 2013 10:47 AM (oDCMR)
The ACOG is a fine device. I am not a neo-luddite however BRM should be precisely that Basic Rifle Marksmanship and the Marines, Soldiers, Sailors, and Airmen should all be able to hit the target 65% of the time with the Mk 1 eyeball first.
Sorry not negotiable.
"Yes, but." Or "no, except".
Take your pick.
Technologies change over time....and the two methods of shooting require different methods of teaching, and learning. Since our Marines will most often be firing their weapons with optical sights, that's how they should learn to shoot. What counts at the end of the day is the number of bad guys that have been sent off to make sweet sweet love to their 72 virgins.
Posted by: Sticky Wicket at September 17, 2013 10:48 AM (sCynV)
Posted by: panzernashorn at September 17, 2013 10:52 AM (MhA4j)
Right b/c every idea the military gets is an improvement...
like moving Military Police from being Active Component Heavy on percentages to Reserve heavy...
whatever...
The ACOG without batteries is a tube
Posted by: sven10077 at September 17, 2013 10:52 AM (9jfyN)
the battery thing scares the hell out of me as a grunt...sorry...always has.
Posted by: sven10077 at September 17, 2013 10:57 AM (9jfyN)
The man is willing to serve his viewers fake "news" to advance his putrid leftist politics. Someone should just whip his ass and put him on the first boat back to Londonistan.
Posted by: Adjoran at September 17, 2013 10:57 AM (473jB)
I've been here long enough to remember how the Pederast harry reid gutted a bill and resurrected it to pass Obama care under reconciliation.
Any funny stuff with bills to ban phony guns would surely be rearranged to ban everything from anti tank and anti drone guns to soft pellet air guns and I don't trust our nitwits to be able to block jack shi.!
Posted by: Concealedkerry or submitt at September 17, 2013 11:02 AM (vXqv3)
Posted by: Mr. Happy at September 17, 2013 11:04 AM (8yowt)
Posted by: Ted K at September 17, 2013 11:04 AM (DpvGO)
Errrrr, the ACOG doesn't use batteries. The reticle illumination is via the fiberoptic tube on top of the optic in daylight and tritium at night.
However, the Aimpoint red dots used by the Army are battery powered.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at September 17, 2013 11:04 AM (TIIx5)
Posted by: Rick in MB at September 17, 2013 11:08 AM (/CIN4)
The Army's first Gen ACOGs used batteries....ACOG's fiber optic backups were not standard for I think two generations.
The Red Dots...."meh"...
Sticky Wicket,
I trust the solider to grasp the vital nature of ammo a lot more than to remember spare batteries...
just sayin'...
Posted by: sven10077 at September 17, 2013 11:10 AM (9jfyN)
Posted by: SamIam at September 17, 2013 11:13 AM (HMI9a)
Here's Trijicon's latest and greatest...
the fiber optic back ups are good for non low light conditions...
I bought the see-all sight for wife recently...
I am in no way a fuddy duddy for its own sake...
From what I have seen at Ft Polk and been told by the JRTC instructors it is easier to train a classically trained marksman on using reflex sights than it is for Reflex trained guys to go Iron...
of course I also argue the push for the M-4 uber alles is stupid so you can ignore me if you'd like.
Posted by: sven10077 at September 17, 2013 11:13 AM (9jfyN)
"But do you think it matters to the victims?"
So Piers Morgan agrees that the type of firearm used doesn't matter, and therefore any ban of a specific type would have no impact whatsoever on the frequency or severity of mass shooting incidents.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at September 17, 2013 11:13 AM (TIIx5)
I trust the solider to grasp the vital nature of ammo a lot more than to remember spare batteries...
just sayin'...
I don't know whether my son is using battery powered optics or not. I've sent him an email asking....but if/when the balloon goes up he focuses on his gear, and that of his team. The rest of the consumable goodies are already pre-positioned.....toilet paper, C4, Det Cord, Primers, and batteries for different types of equipment. I'm pretty sure that if the Marine Corps approved variant of the ACOG requires batteries, they're included in their basic deployment stocks.
Even if someone forgot the batteries, the Marines will simply remove ACOG's, and install rear peep sights, and continue fighting.
Posted by: Sticky Wicket at September 17, 2013 11:21 AM (sCynV)
Sorry, I just got to this thread but this cracked me up to no end. Well Played Parker, well played...
Actually, from the initial reports, he had a fully-automatic rapid-fire high-powered military-style folding-stock silenced flash-suppressed 9mm 12-gauge Assault Glock AK-15 shotgun.
With the shoulder thing that goes up, a bayonet, a compass in the stock, and this thing that tells time.
Loaded with high-capacity magazine banana clips full of 'cop-killer' bullet cartridges.
With the optional double-barreled over/under 40mm grenade launcher AND the flame-thrower.
And, it was BLACK (possibly 'WHITE-Black'), and in the 40 megawatt range.
I think CNN confirmed this...
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They might be wrong but there might be something in the FBI report that splits hairs as he did not have an AR-15 on his body when he was killed. He still might have used one and dropped it when empty. No one will carry a empty gun if you have nothing to reload it with. It will be know when they do the autopsy is a .223, 9mm or 12 gauge killed them. There might be a missing gun in a side room that has yet to be cleared or checked and the murder weapon.
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