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July 09, 2013

Liberals: Why Won't These Damn Republicans Just Accept ObamaCare?
— DrewM

There's something I hate about liberals and also admire...they NEVER give up. It doesn't matter how many times they lose or are told no, they keep coming back. However when they win, everything must be frozen in stone, unchangeable and never to be questioned.

Take this current JurnoList reaction to continued GOP opposition to ObamaCare.

First, NBC (via Jay Cost who you should be following on Twitter).

*** Welcome to the perpetual campaign: HereÂ’s a thought exercise on this summer morning: Imagine that after the controversial and Medicare prescription-drug legislation was passed into law in 2003, Democrats did everything they could to thwart one of George W. BushÂ’s top domestic achievements. They launched Senate filibusters to block essential HHS appointees from administering the law; they warned the sports and entertainment industries from participating in any public service announcements to help seniors understand how the law works; and, after taking control of the House of Representatives in 2007, they used the power of the purse to prohibit any more federal funds from being used to implement the law. As it turns out, none of that happened. And despite Democratic warnings that the law would be a bust -- we remember the 2004 Dem presidential candidates campaigning against it -- the Medicare prescription-drug law has been, for the most part, a pretty big success. But that thought exercise has become a reality 10 years later as Republicans have worked to thwart/stymie/sabotage -- pick your word -- the implementation of President ObamaÂ’s health-care and financial-reform laws.

And one of Greg Sargent's co-bloggers at the Washington Post.

What are the responsibilities of the opponents of the Affordable Care Act (ACA)? Is it reasonable to undermine it at every step?
Several commentators (including me last week, and Brian Beutler today) have argued that there is in fact something unusual about GOP resistance to Obamacare. The pushback from conservatives is to flip the story: ACA supporters are simply seeking to shift blame if reform fails from the law to its opponents. Philip Klein rolled out that argument earlier this week; Patrick Ruffini refined it today:
Shorter @brianbeutler: Republicans wonÂ’t help Obama fix the mess he created.
I think that may work as political rhetoric. Well, actually, I donÂ’t think it matters much; if the ACA fails, no one is going to blame Republicans whether they bear any of the responsibility or not. At any rate, I donÂ’t think thatÂ’s what those of us who have made the observation about undermining the ACA mean, however, or at least itÂ’s not what I had in mind. My question would be whether Republicans, in undermining the law in order to destroy it, are acting responsibly.

First of all, the idea of NBC accusing the GOP of conducting a "perpetual campaign" in the age of Obama is hysterical in and of itself.

Second, maybe I'm remembering it incorrectly but I seem to recall the Democrats desperately trying to undermine the Iraq war. That they didn't go all out to repeal Medicare Part D is because their opposition to it was that it didn't go far enough (remember "the doughnut hole"?). They were more than happy to take the expansion of government and try and expand it latter (which they did by closing the hole in ObamaCare).

The most ridiculous part of this is the idea that liberals, who are constantly trying to create new laws are upset that people won't accept the supposed status quo.

Imagine for a moment NBC or the liberals at the Washington Post saying, "You know, people who are trying to pass Schumer-Toomey gun control are undermining existing laws. Why can't they just accept that the laws on the books are there and let it be?".

So much of political arguments is about the unstated assumptions underlying the debate. Liberals are much better at managing those than conservatives are. Much of that is because of liberal control of the media. By controlling the ground rules of a discussion, you set the terms under which the debate is conducted and you're halfway to victory before it beings. That's one of the real damages of media bias.

Kudos to conservatives and many Republicans for not playing along. It's clearly starting to bother the liberals.

Oh, I'll start considering ObamaCare settled law when Obama starts acting like it and enforcing/implementing it as written. Until then, it's still very much a live issue.

Posted by: DrewM at 06:47 AM | Comments (225)
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1 Affirmative Action has consequences.

Posted by: garrett at July 09, 2013 06:49 AM (g4uOJ)

2 Good post, Drew.

Posted by: rickl at July 09, 2013 06:50 AM (zoehZ)

3 Second, maybe I'm remembering it incorrectly but I seem to recall the Democrats desperately trying to undermine the Iraq war.

Oh, I don't know. They gave aid and comfort to the enemies, but I'm not sure the assorted acts of treason rose to the level of "undermine." O_O

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at July 09, 2013 06:51 AM (/kI1Q)

4 [[Liberals: Why Won't These Damn Republicans Just Accept ObamaCare?[/i] Why won't Obama? I mean, gosh, he's delaying some of the wonderful reporting requirements for employers.

Posted by: George Orwell what dreams of Charlotte Rampling at July 09, 2013 06:51 AM (mCNwt)

5 Oh, I'll start considering ObamaCare settled law I am the law!

Posted by: The worst president in the last 100 years at July 09, 2013 06:53 AM (mCNwt)

6 Oh, I'll start considering ObamaCare settled law when Obama starts acting like it and enforcing/implementing it as written. Until then, it's still very much a live issue. --- Christ, let's start with him enforcing / implementing ANY law he doesn't like as it is written and not how it best helps him. That criminal sack of shit has been constantly violating the law when it comes to things like the NLRB, recess appointments, and so forth.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at July 09, 2013 06:53 AM (a3iAA)

7 Here in NC, we have Moral Mondays led by a NAACP pastor who has been bringing protestors into the legislative building to try and cause trouble and get arrested. NC just recently changed hands and now we have a solid R controlled state and the dems just can't accept that. They need to cause trouble because they can't accept the simple fact that elections have consequences.

Posted by: EC at July 09, 2013 06:55 AM (GQ8sn)

8 I seem to recall that certain medical procedures and race-based views of humanhood were once settled law as well. I guess they really don't believe in a living, breathing Constitution. They're more in favor of the Weekend at Bernie's model, where the law is a stiff until they decide to move it around.

Posted by: pep at July 09, 2013 06:55 AM (USJNU)

9 The science is settled

Posted by: Teh Goreacle at July 09, 2013 06:56 AM (NuPNl)

10 The truth hurts.

Posted by: nip at July 09, 2013 06:56 AM (lGVXf)

11 "First of all, the idea of NBC accusing the GOP of conducting a "perpetual campaign" in the age of Obama is hysterical in and of itself."

I used to think of projection as a mental disorder, but the Democrats have been using it as an effective political strategy since the 1960s. Their biggest success is convincing low-info types that Dems aren't race obsessed, their opponents are, but they use it for everything now.

Posted by: zmdavid at July 09, 2013 06:57 AM (FHqct)

12 It's still a mental disorder.

Posted by: dogfish at July 09, 2013 06:57 AM (NuPNl)

Yeah - I called these clowns last week to see what the people at the Obamacare "Hotline" knew; it's worse than you think:

Guess who has no idea who is going to be running the exchanges in those states? Or how much a basic policy is going to cost? Or who is going to be paying the difference between the amount a Â“low-incomeÂ” person will have to pay and the cost of the policy? (I neglected to point out that any exchange run by the federal government will not be eligible for the subsidies promised by the President and Congress, as expressly written in the bill Â– didnÂ’t want anyoneÂ’s head to explode)

These people have no idea what a bare bones policy will cost Â– only that there will be a Bronze, Silver, Gold, and Platinum level of coverage. They donÂ’t know what the deductibles are going to be, nor do they know what the co-pays will be. They have no idea how much of a percentage of a familyÂ’s income will be required to be shelled out for a policy premium Â– PACA_Premium_Chart.jpg">even though it is spelled out in black and white in the original legislation.

http://is.gd/ga2FKA

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX at July 09, 2013 06:58 AM (ADnWI)

Oh, I'll start considering ObamaCare settled law when Obama starts acting like it and enforcing/implementing it as written. Until then, it's still very much a live issue.

Point of order, Drew - it always is a live issue until it has been dead and buried six feet under for 300 years.

Posted by: steveegg at July 09, 2013 07:00 AM (o44nj)

15 Why can't we just let him be great!!!M!

Posted by: Thunderb at July 09, 2013 07:00 AM (zOTsN)

16 Disingenuous is about the nicest word that you can apply to bullshite of the Cultural Marxist Democrats.

They will never get what they truly deserve because there is no Hell on Earth.

.....try as they might.

Posted by: ontherocks at July 09, 2013 07:00 AM (vA4FD)

17 I feel so guilty So so guilty

Posted by: Thunderb at July 09, 2013 07:00 AM (zOTsN)

18 The left are masters of the "heads I win, tales you lose" school of politics. They are also very, very adept - like most good commies - at "The Long Game." Like you Drew, I both loathe and admire them for it. They lose, lose, lose, lose, lose, lose, and lose - and then the instant they win it's "THAT'S IT, ISSUE SETTLED, TIME TO ACCEPT IT AND MOVE ON!!!" as if it's written in stone now that they once managed to get a plurality of folks to, in theory, agree with them.

Posted by: DocJ at July 09, 2013 07:01 AM (qCk/f)

19 @13
What, you mean striking a smarmy, self-righteous public pose isn't enough to govern? Get out.

Posted by: pep at July 09, 2013 07:01 AM (USJNU)

One thing that might help - not with liberals in media but swing voters - would be to keep alternatives to Obamacare in the conversation.

Whatever they are. Make the message either that 'There's no real problem with health care so Obamacare is not needed" or "There is a problem, but the real solution is the following..."

You don't want to get stuck in the No Man's Land of "Yeah there's a problem but we oppose solutions." Pick a savvy approach and stick with it.

Posted by: CJ at July 09, 2013 07:02 AM (9KqcB)

21 On second thought, we'd be crazy to target a Democrat! Where's that donation button...

Posted by: OBL at July 09, 2013 07:02 AM (FcR7P)

22 Oh look at me, how I keep popping up to push back the more unpopular parts of Obamacare until after the 2014 mid-term elections! Â‘Computer glitchÂ’ may push Obamacare tobacco-use penalties back until after 2014 http://tinyurl.com/m8m573d

Posted by: Convenience at July 09, 2013 07:02 AM (X866z)

23 The left can go piss up a rope.

Posted by: Throat Wobbler Mangrove at July 09, 2013 07:02 AM (kI8sg)

24 15 Why can't we just let him be great!!!M!

Posted by: Thunderb at July 09, 2013 11:00 AM (zOTsN)

Because we're all RAYCISS! We are not worthy.

Posted by: GalaKitty at July 09, 2013 07:03 AM (KT2XH)

25 It all boils down to the Left viewing those on the Right as having no right to participate in the political process. If you drill down far enough, the underlying premise of those on the Left is that their positions are the only possible positions that should be taken, that their positions are the only morally proper positions and that any opposition to those positions is per se illegitimate. If your opposition is per se illegitimate, then why should you believe they should be allowed to oppose you? Tyranny, all the way down.

Posted by: alexthechick - Commence drinking now. at July 09, 2013 07:03 AM (VtjlW)

26 It all comes together when you finally realize that Democrats are essentially Communists and they will never be happy until the US is 50's style Soviet Russia with them riding around in Zil limousines on their way to their dacas while the rest of us live in 4 sided concrete slabs and ride the bus to shit jobs.

AND

AOS Morons will be forced to drink vodka even cheaper than Valu-Rite with foil tops.

Posted by: Vic at July 09, 2013 07:04 AM (lZvxr)

27 Obamacare tobacco-use penalties

Oh look, more jobs destroyed.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at July 09, 2013 07:04 AM (/kI1Q)

28 The left can go piss up a rope. It's not a stunt, it's a tax.

Posted by: John Roberts at July 09, 2013 07:05 AM (mCNwt)

29 ...and totally off-topic, today is the first day of Ramadan.

I'm thinking pork BBQ for lunch. Before the Obamacare pork-use penalties kick in.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at July 09, 2013 07:05 AM (/kI1Q)

30 K T McFarland just spewed out that myth about Hitler being "democratically elected" on Fox when talking about Morsi.

What does it take to squash this myth?

Posted by: Vic at July 09, 2013 07:06 AM (lZvxr)

31 This stupid law will be a cluster of clusterfucks. How is any of this insanity even supposed to work? Or be implemented? Or anything? It's a stack of paper up to the ceiling. Literally.

Posted by: eleven at July 09, 2013 07:06 AM (KXm42)

32 If you are 50 or older, you know that just about EVERYTHING wrong with Healthcare is the residue of government involvement.

I remember when the Doc came to your house and your parents paid him with a check or cash.

Medicare was the camel's nose under the tent.

Posted by: ontherocks at July 09, 2013 07:06 AM (vA4FD)

33 What are the responsibilities of the opponents of the Affordable Care Act (ACA)? ThatÂ’s real retarded, sir. ThatÂ’s real retarded to do that, sir.

Posted by: Hoogie at July 09, 2013 07:06 AM (RlbpF)

34 They will never get what they truly deserve because there is no Hell on Earth. Oh, they will, just not in this life. Remember, the reason they work so hard for their "heaven on earth" is that they know, deep down, they have no chance at the real one...

Posted by: Brother Cavil, in his happy place at July 09, 2013 07:06 AM (zUi7I)

35 There's something I hate about liberals and also admire...they NEVER give up. That implies you have a grudging respect for cancer and jihad, as well. And mosquitoes.

Posted by: t-bird at July 09, 2013 07:07 AM (FcR7P)

36 ...and totally off-topic, today is the first day of Ramadan. I'm thinking pork BBQ for lunch. Before the Obamacare pork-use penalties kick in. Posted by: HeatherRadishÂ™ needs a beer at July 09, 2013 11:05 AM (/kI1Q) Bacon topped cupcake? *nudges over plate*

Posted by: alexthechick - Commence drinking now. at July 09, 2013 07:07 AM (VtjlW)

37 OT and apologies for pointing it out, Drew, but there are a ton of spelling mistakes in this.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at July 09, 2013 07:07 AM (DuH+r)

38 "Computer glitchÂ’ may push Obamacare tobacco-use penalties back until after 2014"

Another penalty based on "feelings" rather then data.

Posted by: lowandslow at July 09, 2013 07:08 AM (Fz2C7)

39 OT and apologies for pointing it out, Drew, but there are a ton of spelling mistakes in this. Posted by: BeckoningChasm at July 09, 2013 11:07 AM (DuH+r) Unpossible!

Posted by: alexthechick - Commence drinking now. at July 09, 2013 07:08 AM (VtjlW)

40 25 It all boils down to the Left viewing those on the Right as having no right to participate in the political process. If you drill down far enough, the underlying premise of those on the Left is that their positions are the only possible positions that should be taken, that their positions are the only morally proper positions and that any opposition to those positions is per se illegitimate. If your opposition is per se illegitimate, then why should you believe they should be allowed to oppose you? Tyranny, all the way down. --- The projection on the side of the left is strong. They don't seem to realize that, eventually, treating the other side as illegitimate and trying to intimidate them doesn't work when the opposition is armed and you aren't.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at July 09, 2013 07:08 AM (a3iAA)

41 It is great that McConnell and Boehner, for all of their faults, held the line and kept a single Republican from voting for Obamacare. As for Obama, I love this line from Shakespeare: 'Fret til your proud heart break!'

Posted by: Jmel at July 09, 2013 07:08 AM (BoDpj)

42 And I just had a piece of bacon pie sent to the house by woman on wife's bridge club.

Posted by: Vic at July 09, 2013 07:08 AM (lZvxr)

43 Oh, I don't know. They gave aid and comfort to the enemies, but I'm not sure the assorted acts of treason rose to the level of "undermine." O_O Posted by: HeatherRadishÂ™ needs a beer at July 09, 2013 10:51 AM (/kI1Q) O/T for a sec, speaking of that, the other day as I strolled by the White House after lunch I saw some hippie holding a "Free Lynne Stewart" sign. I held back the urge to say something to the guy. On Drew's post, it's not surprising liberals act this way. They could pass a bill with everything they want in it and they would immediately start arguing for some expansion the next day.

Posted by: Mainah at July 09, 2013 07:08 AM (659DL)

44 Can't you mean conservatives accept the fact that our President Obama is in fact Jesus come back to the Earth to make things right? Know him by His miracles! The old Jesus split the loaves and the fishes. President Jesus Obama took one, one!, cell phone and split it into thousands so that his flock my Witness! about being followed by creepy ass crackers.

Posted by: The Hobo Wears Prada (Hate, it's whats for breakfast!) at July 09, 2013 07:09 AM (jopHG)

45 'My question would be whether Republicans, in undermining the law in order to destroy it, are acting responsibly.'

It was irresponsible for Democrats to pass the largest expansion of the welfare state since the Great Society legislation along party lines and over the objections of the American people. [Obamacare hasn't had positive approval ratings in the polls since May, 2009]

It would be irresponsible of Republicans, who avoided the stain of Obamacare when they refused to vote for it, to now support an irresponsible law.

Also, Republicans have not had any role in the implementation of Obamacare, especially with regard to IT and the Federal government-run exchanges. Those have been entirely within the purview and power of HHS & the IRS.

PS: Everyone should keep in mind that Obamacare SPECIFICALLY prohibits the Federal government from providing subsidies on exchanges that it runs. Federal taxpayer-funded subsidies are ONLY permissible under the law when they are distributed by STATE-RUN exchanges...and, this will remain the law unless and until Chief Justice John Roberts decides to Dowderise the law on this point.

Posted by: Predictable History at July 09, 2013 07:09 AM (AaylP)

46 Bacon topped cupcake?

Don't mind if I do.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at July 09, 2013 07:11 AM (/kI1Q)

47 This is a good piece, Drew.

Posted by: spongeworthy at July 09, 2013 07:11 AM (r5w1L)

48 You know, I can tell when he's been popping a few of the little blues, because he squeezes me so hard ink drips out of my ballpoint.

Posted by: Bob Dole's pen at July 09, 2013 07:11 AM (mCNwt)

49 O/T for a sec, speaking of that, the other day as I strolled by the White House after lunch I saw some hippie holding a "Free Lynne Stewart" sign. I held back the urge to say something to the guy. --- The Lynne Stewart assholes should probably be hung from the nearest lamppost because they're deceitful little fuckers. A friend of mine in NYC who is a hard-lefty told me about their little rally at a public facility a few years ago. Apparently they lied about their intentions and put on a show for a few minutes before radically changing course and passing the hat for Stewart's defense. The venue got stuck with the bad publicity of having hosted the event even though they had been lied to by the organizer and participants.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at July 09, 2013 07:11 AM (a3iAA)

50 If only the GOP was doing everything to stop ACA. If I was the RNC chairman, I'd be raising funds to specifically hire away the key people working to program the exchange websites/systems. This is too important to leave it to the next election cycle.

Posted by: Serious Cat at July 09, 2013 07:11 AM (UypUQ)

51 I should clarify, the hard-lefty hated them too but was supportive of the venue because they got fucked by the Stewart assholes.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at July 09, 2013 07:12 AM (a3iAA)

52 You mean you don't like the new chains I bought you? Why you ungrateful...

Posted by: Democratic Plantation Owner at July 09, 2013 07:12 AM (qYvEa)

Rush made a good point about the difference between "change" and "imposition" yesterday: the first comes about in an organic fashion, usually as a result of people seeing the value of it on their own, and typically involves freedom and new opportunity. Think automobiles.

Imposition, such as we're seeing in OCare, is forced upon us against our will, and typically results in less freedom and more restriction.

It's a sad fact that we've lost control of our government, or rather, we've had devious liars propped up as candidates who say one thing to get elected, then begin acting like the power-hungry zealots they really are once in office. This means we've had the control of government removed from us.

We are so terribly screwed.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at July 09, 2013 07:12 AM (0HooB)

54 Vic just ruined my damn day.

Time for bed, 3rd shift starts before ya know it.

Posted by: ontherocks at July 09, 2013 07:12 AM (vA4FD)

55 I'd contend we can never act like Ogabecare is signed law because the law is never defined.

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at July 09, 2013 07:13 AM (LRFds)

56 Resistance to a law, passed under Democrat Majorities, against the peoples will, with questionable Constitutional grounding (a tax? Is that what this is?) whose opponents clearly articulated its flaws and dangers during the process, for which they were resoundingly attacked (not the least of which was done by the lapdog media), flaws which are now much worse and more financially damaging than previously estimated, which former opponents are now acknowledging are true, which the president is now using his apparently new-found imperial powers to delay (until after the election when the financial hammer really falls on businesses)...is somehow now a partisan and a perpetual campaign?

What the fuck ever happened to facts. evidence and reasoning? Should we simply ignore actual outcomes in favor of propagandizing and waiving the Obama flag?

I've said it before. The most damaging part of the Obama presidency to America is his media acolytes. They've tried to dumb down our country and mislead people to promote their own political self-interests. Facts and logic have no place in their sophistic, Fakeworld, utopian dreams. There is not a consistently honest or ethical person in the entire Brownshirt media corps.

Posted by: Marcus at July 09, 2013 07:13 AM (GGCsk)

57 Termites. Tree of Liberty. Why would they give up?

Posted by: t-bird at July 09, 2013 07:14 AM (FcR7P)

Much of that is because of liberal control of the media. By controlling the ground rules of a discussion, you set the terms under which the debate is conducted and you're halfway to victory before it beings.

What is amazing is that with all of these advantages the Left doesn't actually control more. Not much hope in that realization, but still there is some.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Pirate Scum of Umbar at July 09, 2013 07:14 AM (hLRSq)

59 I'd contend we can never act like Ogabecare is signed law because the law is never defined.

The law is whatever Kathleen Sibelius says it is.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at July 09, 2013 07:15 AM (/kI1Q)

60 Shorter @brianbeutler: Republicans wonÂ¡Â¯t help Obama fix the mess he created. To borrow a line from our shadow brethren, "Not my yob, ese".

Posted by: rickb223 at July 09, 2013 07:15 AM (uwLxR)

Folks... just like the current Retirement system... this is built to fail.

And when it fails, the Government will swoop in to fix it, with more control... when it was their controls which caused the problem in the first place.

Sebelius is like that 777 Pilot... ie NO idea what she's doing, and we're approaching a San Fran Landing with an idiot at the wheel.

(look for the Government to nationalize ALL the Health insurance Companies, WITH assets)

Posted by: Romeo13 at July 09, 2013 07:15 AM (lZBBB)

62 and waiving the Obama flag? ISWYDT

Posted by: MC Newtgrinch at July 09, 2013 07:15 AM (mCNwt)

63 If I had a son... Esperanza y Cambio, comrades!

Posted by: Fidel Castro at July 09, 2013 07:16 AM (FcR7P)

64 >I'm thinking pork BBQ for lunch. Before the Obamacare pork-use penalties kick in.<

BLT's for everyone!

Posted by: Marcus at July 09, 2013 07:16 AM (GGCsk)

65 I have altered the deal. Pray I do not alter it again.

Posted by: Kathleen Sebelius at July 09, 2013 07:17 AM (mCNwt)

66 Liberals are like Tinkerbell if you don't ALL CLAP they can't use the pixy dust to fly...

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at July 09, 2013 07:17 AM (LRFds)

67 59 H Radish,

and Sebeezlebub is hardly a stable target

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at July 09, 2013 07:17 AM (LRFds)

68 52 You mean you don't like the new chains I bought you? Why you ungrateful...

Posted by: Democratic Plantation Owner at July 09, 2013 11:12 AM (qYvEa)

Yeah.... and here... put these on yourself....

Posted by: Certain GOP Senators at July 09, 2013 07:18 AM (lZBBB)

69 Liberals are like Tinkerbell Small breasted fairies? Agree.

Posted by: MC Ice Newt at July 09, 2013 07:18 AM (mCNwt)

Professor Jacobson called this play back in 2009, quoting the leader of the MSM, Vladdy Lenin of the New York Times:

Comrades! The revolt by the five kulak volostÂ’s must be suppressed without mercy. The interest of the entire revolution demands this, because we have now before us our final decisive battle Â“with the kulaks.Â” We need to set an example.

1) You need to hang (hang without fail, so that the public sees) at least 100 notorious kulaks, the rich, and the bloodsuckers.
2) Publish their names.
3) Take away all of their grain.
4) Execute the hostages Â– in accordance with yesterdayÂ’s telegram.

This needs to be accomplished in such a way, that people for hundreds of miles around will see, tremble, know and scream out: letÂ’s choke and strangle those blood-sucking kulaks.

Telegraph us acknowledging receipt and execution of this.

Yours, Lenin

P.S. Use your toughest people for this.

http://bit.ly/xDx6Kf

Posted by: MTF at July 09, 2013 07:19 AM (B5y+v)

Anyway the Twitter Morons can get a hashtag started: #Justpaythefine? List all the things that you could buy with the money saved by not paying for mandated insurance and instead simply paying the fine.

For example: "$1200 difference. Enough to pay for a trip to visit ill grandparents. #Justpaythefine"

Posted by: Colorado Alex at July 09, 2013 07:20 AM (lr3d7)

72 My favorite on the "We'll keep playing as long as I'm losing, but we have to stop once I get ahead" thing was how the Supreme Court was supposed to handle abortion vs. the death penalty. For years, Marshall and Brennan dissented on every death penalty case, citing the "cruel and unusual" clause, even though that had been well-settled against them. For this, of course, they were liberal icons. But if any nominee for the Supreme Court insinuated that Roe vs. Wade was kinda dumb, and poorly written besides, well that person was an idiot, with no understanding of res judicata, and totally unfit to serve on the Supreme Court.

Posted by: Ted K. at July 09, 2013 07:20 AM (SdUl3)

73 60 Shorter @brianbeutler: Republicans wonÂ¡Â¯t help Obama fix the mess he created. To borrow a line from our shadow brethren, "Not my yob, ese". --- Or to steal the acronym for the shitty police force of the city where I was yesterday, it's "Not Our Problem, Dude". They made the mess, they can either clean it up on their own or repeal the whole damn thing.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at July 09, 2013 07:20 AM (a3iAA)

74 ...and totally off-topic, today is the first day of Ramadan And as fate would have it - Pork Chops and steamed veggies for lunch. Must be my lucky day.

Posted by: DocJ at July 09, 2013 07:21 AM (qCk/f)

75 Obamacare is a "living document". It just hasn't been reviewed by a death panel yet.

Posted by: Roy at July 09, 2013 07:21 AM (VndSC)

76 The Lynne Stewart assholes should probably be hung from the nearest lamppost because they're deceitful little fuckers. Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at July 09, 2013 11:11 AM (a3iAA) I don't get it. Didn't she admit to helping the blind sheik? Or are her supporters conspiratorial types that think the gov't just wanted to "get her." ? In my opinion they're just like the people that believe in the innocence of the Rosenbergs and Alger Hiss.

Posted by: Mainah at July 09, 2013 07:22 AM (659DL)

77 Juiceboxer Ezra Klein was lisping and whining about this on draft-dodger Larry O'Donnell's show the other day. I could not tell if he stomped his wittle feet.

Posted by: huerfano at July 09, 2013 07:22 AM (bAGA/)

78 Just think how the liberal-media-clique will react when conservative and like-minded citizens revolt against ACA en mass by refusing to participate with the individual mandate.

Posted by: Serious Cat at July 09, 2013 07:22 AM (UypUQ)

79 Tinkerbell? I'd hit it.

Posted by: eleven at July 09, 2013 07:23 AM (KXm42)

80 For years, Marshall and Brennan dissented on every death penalty case, citing the "cruel and unusual" clause, even though that had been well-settled against them. For this, of course, they were liberal icons. --- I have little use for Marshall. He spent his latter years on the court watching TV instead of doing work and telling his clerks "If I die, prop me up and keep voting for me."

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at July 09, 2013 07:23 AM (a3iAA)

81 ...and totally off-topic, today is the first day of Ramadan And as fate would have it - Pork Chops and steamed veggies for lunch. Must be my lucky day. Oh and I forgot to mention, bacon, eggs and the rest of the mixed veggies for breakfast. Thinking some pork ribs are in order for dinner.

Posted by: DocJ at July 09, 2013 07:24 AM (qCk/f)

82 Anyway the Twitter Morons can get a hashtag started: #Justpaythefine? List all the things that you could buy with the money saved by not paying for mandated insurance and instead simply paying the fine. For example: "$1200 difference. Enough to pay for a trip to visit ill grandparents. #Justpaythefine" $1200 difference. Enough to buy blow & hookers for a long weekend! #Justpaythefine

Posted by: rickb223 at July 09, 2013 07:24 AM (uwLxR)

83 76 The Lynne Stewart assholes should probably be hung from the nearest lamppost because they're deceitful little fuckers. Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at July 09, 2013 11:11 AM (a3iAA) I don't get it. Didn't she admit to helping the blind sheik? Or are her supporters conspiratorial types that think the gov't just wanted to "get her." ? In my opinion they're just like the people that believe in the innocence of the Rosenbergs and Alger Hiss. --- I don't know exactly what they're trying to do and I don't particularly care. Bitch violated the law by bringing in an "interpreter" whose sole job was to take the rants of the Sheikh to his followers, who committed terrorist acts in his name. Weren't those the same people who killed all those tourists in Luxor, Egypt, in the 90s?

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at July 09, 2013 07:25 AM (a3iAA)

84 In before the scorpion!

Posted by: toby928© screams like a little girl at July 09, 2013 07:25 AM (codCi)

$1200 difference. Enough to buy blow & hookers for ~~a long weekend~~ a couple of hours! #Justpaythefine

FTFY

Posted by: Charlie Sheen at July 09, 2013 07:25 AM (NF2Bf)

I'm thinking pork BBQ for lunch. Before the Obamacare pork-use penalties kick in.

Posted by: HeatherRadishÂ™ needs a beer at July 09, 2013 11:05 AM (/kI1Q)

I don't have to suggest what to wash it down with, right?

Posted by: steveegg at July 09, 2013 07:26 AM (o44nj)

87 These people have no idea what a bare bones policy will cost Â– only that there will be a Bronze, Silver, Gold, and Platinum level of coverage.
======
I've told you all this before but I'll repeat it:
1) there is no "Platinum" at least, that is, a plan you will qualify for. It's there alright--you just won't be able to afford it or meet the conditions.
2) So, it's now three tiers, down from the current minimum of six. That means at least twice as many higher risk people will be in your pool. Naturally, that means lower premiums, right?
3) The vast majority of us will only qualify for and/or only afford the Bronze plan. How awesome is the Bronze plan? About as awesome as a bronze sword in the 20th century. That is, it's a 60/40 split on the co-pay. Yup. Now you get to pay more in premiums because a shit-ton of riskier people have been dumped in your pool but you also get to pay at least 20% more out-of-pocket (not including the skyrocketing costs of the care that will soon come).

Posted by: RoyalOil at July 09, 2013 07:26 AM (VjL9S)

88 I think every Republican that voted in favor of ACA should continue to support it 100%. That is only fair. In short, Democrats should quit being whiny little bitches.

Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at July 09, 2013 07:26 AM (SzAZ7)

89 To continue being an amateur internet psychologist, I find many on the Left's insistence that their positions are the only proper positions to be a sign of immaturity of thought. One of the more difficult realities to accept is that other people have positions that are opposite of yours and that they came to those positions thought thought and consideration. Or, less snootily, growing up means realizing that every position has a downside and there are no perfect solutions.

Posted by: alexthechick - Commence drinking now. at July 09, 2013 07:27 AM (VtjlW)

90 Tinkerbell?

http://tinyurl.com/mlzst28

Posted by: Adam at July 09, 2013 07:27 AM (Aif/5)

91 Now you get to pay more in premiums because a shit-ton of riskier people have been dumped in your pool but you also get to pay at least 20% more out-of-pocket (not including the skyrocketing costs of the care that will soon come). --- In other words, anal rape sans lube.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at July 09, 2013 07:27 AM (a3iAA)

92 RE: #Justpaythefind?

Why even do that? By simply #JustCalculateYourWithholding you should be able to avoid even the $95+ fine by not having any tax refund from which the IRS can graft from. Am I understanding this right?

Posted by: Serious Cat at July 09, 2013 07:28 AM (UypUQ)

93 Speaking of liberals...one of my son's is dating one. I just met her and she is very smart, attractive, etc. Grad student. I realize I have to "be on guard" as I have been hanging out too much here and am rather moronic in life in regard to Baroque and politics. The rest of us are conservative CAC's, so my freak flag flies freely (alliteration!).

I am trying hard not to be Redneck Queen until she knows me better and/or things get serious or whatever. While I am glad he found someone, after several random dates after his long term gf went bonkers a year ago, I am not sure if I can maintain this level of not going bananas if i see Baroque prancing down the steps of AF One.
#ChristyBisOnEdgeThisWeekAsLiberalVisitsCompound

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, Medical Examiner at July 09, 2013 07:28 AM (baL2B)

94 Posted by: alexthechick - Commence drinking now. at July 09, 2013 11:03 AM (VtjlW)

So hot when you talk like that.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, The Colossus of Independence at July 09, 2013 07:28 AM (fwARV)

95 Totally on topic.
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/352950/unconstitutional-monarchy-mark-steyn

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at July 09, 2013 07:29 AM (/kI1Q)

96 90 Adam,

Now photoshop Ezra "juicebox 6" Klein on there bud...

er "cute"

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at July 09, 2013 07:29 AM (LRFds)

97 How about the left accept that everything they believe in is a lie and that the US Constitution, and Bill of Rights are the be-all and end-all of the laws of the land? WAR.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 09, 2013 07:30 AM (+98Gb)

98 Free healthcare for everyone! (That's what they really think...)

Posted by: Mr Pee Pee at July 09, 2013 07:31 AM (DrC22)

99 Make the rubble bounce Burn it. All....

Posted by: I'm lighting my torch now... at July 09, 2013 07:31 AM (ULH4o)

100 Indeed.

All about the framing, Drew.
When you have to start by tearing that down, it puts you at a disadvantage.

Posted by: dantealiegri at July 09, 2013 07:31 AM (VXYXz)

101 "That they didn't go all out to repeal Medicare Part D is because their opposition to it was that it didn't go far enough (remember "the doughnut hole"?)"

I heard numerous times from liberals the only Moveon.org talking points they could think up: "it's so confusing!"

Meanwhile, it's been working. I'm sure it will help bankrupt us eventually but it's the least obnoxious part of Medicare.

Because Obamacare is not confusing.

Posted by: PJ at July 09, 2013 07:31 AM (ZWaLo)

102 OT but this gun shot expert is crushing the state's case, doing a great job explaining that while the gun was pressed against Martin's clothing the clothing was not pressed against Martin's skin. In other words, he was leaning forward, almost like he was leaning over Zimmerman.

Posted by: Joe Biden at July 09, 2013 07:31 AM (g1DWB)

103

RE: #Justpaythefind?

Why even do that? By simply #JustCalculateYourWithholding you should be able to avoid even the $95+ fine by not having any tax refund from which the IRS can graft from. Am I understanding this right?

Posted by: Serious Cat at July 09, 2013 11:28 AM (UypUQ)

No - the ~~penalty~~ tax is applied independently of any withholding.

Posted by: steveegg at July 09, 2013 07:32 AM (o44nj)

104
What other individual penalties for unhealthy lifestyles are hidden in Obamacare? Just tobacco users, or do the obese get hit too? How about drinkers? Those that don't exercise? Motorcycle riders? People that eat fast food? High risk hobbies, and occupations?

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at July 09, 2013 07:32 AM (0IhFx)

105 One of my favorites is the simultaneous belief that the holding of Roe v. Wade is written in granite for all time but that the very United States Constitution itself is a "living, breathing document" that is susceptible to manifold "interpretations" to change with the times.

Posted by: Alec Leamas at July 09, 2013 07:32 AM (nnkXw)

106 The small difference between ObamaCare and anything passed during the Bush admin was that the Dems had a hand in writing the bills and got to vote on them before Bush signed them; you know, the bipartisan legislative process all the press thought was so groovy before. Before, that is, we anointed Barack the Wonderful and his minions, Nancy the Stretch and Harry the Filth to guide us all to Nirvana.
This belief in the bipartisan system in the press, much like the importance of the U-6 unemployment number, seems to have magically disappeared sometime around January 20th, 2009.....

Posted by: Sort-of-Mad Max at July 09, 2013 07:32 AM (DLu2s)

107 Obamacare is screwed up.
It must be all Bush's fault.

Posted by: Jay at July 09, 2013 07:33 AM (4x8W0)

108 Off mouth breathing sock.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 09, 2013 07:33 AM (g1DWB)

109 Weren't those the same people who killed all those tourists in Luxor, Egypt, in the 90s? Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at July 09, 2013 11:25 AM (a3iAA) According to wikipedia about the attack, the terrorists were suspected of belonging to a splinter group of al-gamaa al-islamiyya. In June, Morsi appointed a guy who belongs to the political arm of the group to be the governor of Luxor. Figures.

Posted by: Mainah at July 09, 2013 07:34 AM (659DL)

110

Liberals. More projection than a movie shown on the entire side of the Great Wall of China or Michael Moore's backside. Six , one half dozen of the other.

Posted by: polynikes at July 09, 2013 07:34 AM (m2CN7)

111 Why won't the republicans just accept Obamacare?

Hey, dude, I'm all for it. Get it on. Bring on the burning times. You deserve to get it good and hard.

SO
Why is Obama delaying the implementation of his historic, signature piece of social engineering? If it's so good, JUST DO IT!

Posted by: Skandia Recluse at July 09, 2013 07:35 AM (VbtRO)

112 Ezra has a beard now, making him look like a bearded douche instead of a smooth faced one.

Posted by: ejo at July 09, 2013 07:35 AM (GXvSO)

113 102 Joe Biden Prosecution for the Defense!,

Yup I pointed that out when the prosecutor shat out his theory for Zimmerman to be on the bottom and not have the tatooing George Z had to be grabbing St Tray's shirt....

that's why they call Zimmerman "4 arms"....

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at July 09, 2013 07:35 AM (LRFds)

114 In other words, he was leaning forward, almost like he was leaning over Zimmerman.

Posted by: Joe Biden at July 09, 2013 11:31 AM (g1DWB)

He certainly seems to know his stuff and expertise vs Dr. Buffoon.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, Medical Examiner at July 09, 2013 07:35 AM (baL2B)

115 HereÂ’s a thought exercise on this summer morning: Imagine that after the controversial and Medicare prescription-drug legislation was passed into law in 2003, Democrats did everything they could to thwart one of George W. BushÂ’s top domestic achievements.
________________________________________

Hey - isn't this, more or less, what they did with "No Child Left Behind?" Someone else with time can fill in the particulars.

Posted by: Alec Leamas at July 09, 2013 07:35 AM (nnkXw)

116 102 OT but this gun shot expert is crushing the state's case, doing a great job explaining that while the gun was pressed against Martin's clothing the clothing was not pressed against Martin's skin. In other words, he was leaning forward, almost like he was leaning over Zimmerman. --- The expert may sound great but it depends on the 6 women on the jury to get it right. I'm thinking that there will be a 5-1 hung jury leaning toward acquittal.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at July 09, 2013 07:36 AM (a3iAA)

117 MIL just called and talked to wifey. They drove all the way down to Shaw (a good distance from here) to hit the commissary. It was closed for "holiday".

I did a search of federal holidays and none were listed for today. Looked in my Old Farmer's Almanac and it is the first day of Ramadan. Since when did that become a federal holiday?

Doesn't congress have to pass legislation for that?

Posted by: Vic at July 09, 2013 07:37 AM (lZvxr)

118 Hey, if Democrats cram a crap law down our throats using parlor tricks and dirty deals they should expect us to tell them to pound sand. Why expect anything else? I say fuck them up their squeakholes with a knotty limb from the "we didn't vote for this shit" tree.

Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at July 09, 2013 07:38 AM (SzAZ7)

119 Why even do that? By simply #JustCalculateYourWithholding you should be able to avoid even the $95+ fine by not having any tax refund from which the IRS can graft from. Am I understanding this right? #JustTheGarnishingOfYourPaycheck.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 09, 2013 07:38 AM (uwLxR)

120 OT but this gun shot expert is crushing the state's case, doing a great job explaining that while the gun was pressed against Martin's clothing the clothing was not pressed against Martin's skin.

In other words, he was leaning forward, almost like he was leaning over Zimmerman.

Posted by: Joe Biden at July 09, 2013 11:31 AM (g1DWB)

State will argue that at the time of the shot George had pushed Martin off the roof of the condos and shot at him in mid air, with Martin's clothing billowing upwards.

Posted by: Serious Cat at July 09, 2013 07:39 AM (UypUQ)

121 117 MIL just called and talked to wifey. They drove all the way down to Shaw (a good distance from here) to hit the commissary. It was closed for "holiday". I did a search of federal holidays and none were listed for today. Looked in my Old Farmer's Almanac and it is the first day of Ramadan. Since when did that become a federal holiday? Doesn't congress have to pass legislation for that? --- Not sure. I don't know about federal holidays, but state holidays can be declared by the governor's office in my state without input from the legislature IIRC. The limit on this is that there is a set number of fixed holidays and a set limit to declared holidays every year, so declaring the Friday on July 5 as a holiday means one less day that can be declared during the year.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at July 09, 2013 07:39 AM (a3iAA)

122 Hey - isn't this, more or less, what they did with "No Child Left Behind?" Someone else with time can fill in the particulars.

Posted by: Alec Leamas at July 09, 2013 11:35 AM (nnkXw)

----

No child left behind

Privatization of Social Security

Katrina Relief

Enhanced interrogation

GITMO

Iraq. All.of.it.

Patriot Act v 1.0

.... and remember when 5.6% unemployment was "unacceptable"?

Posted by: fixerupper at July 09, 2013 07:39 AM (nELVU)

123 State will argue that at the time of the shot George had pushed Martin off the roof of the condos and shot at him in mid air, with Martin's clothing billowing upwards. --- The state has probably watched too many Matrix sequels.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at July 09, 2013 07:39 AM (a3iAA)

124 117 MIL just called and talked to wifey. They drove all the way down to Shaw (a good distance from here) to hit the commissary. It was closed for "holiday". I did a search of federal holidays and none were listed for today. Looked in my Old Farmer's Almanac and it is the first day of Ramadan. Since when did that become a federal holiday? Doesn't congress have to pass legislation for that? Posted by: Vic at July 09, 2013 11:37 AM (lZvxr) Could it be a sequester closing?

Posted by: Tami[/i][/b][/u][/s] at July 09, 2013 07:39 AM (X6akg)

125 #JustTheGarnishingOfYourPaycheck.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 09, 2013 11:38 AM (uwLxR)

#ThankfullyGOPputProvisionInACAOutlawingThis

Posted by: Serious Cat at July 09, 2013 07:40 AM (UypUQ)

126 Di Maio just highlights what an absolute joke that Dr. Bao character is.

Posted by: @JohnTant at July 09, 2013 07:40 AM (PFy0L)

127 I had this guy on a case in San Antonio. He is terrific. Very authoritative. Very experienced witness. Very understandable.

Posted by: Thunderb at July 09, 2013 07:40 AM (zOTsN)

128
wtf pixie?

Hey - isn't this, more or less, what they did with "No Child Left Behind?" Someone else with time can fill in the particulars.

Posted by: Alec Leamas at July 09, 2013 11:35 AM (nnkXw)

----
No child left behind

Privatization of Social Security

Katrina Relief

Enhanced interrogation

GITMO

Iraq. All.of.it.

Patriot Act v 1.0....

and remember when 5.6% unemployment was "unacceptable"?

Posted by: fixerupper at July 09, 2013 07:40 AM (nELVU)

129
State will argue that at the time of the shot George had pushed Martin off the roof of the condos and shot at him in mid air, with Martin's clothing billowing upwards.

And he actually shot him twice, he's just such a maliciously talented marksman you can't tell.

Posted by: State Attorney Angela Corey at July 09, 2013 07:41 AM (Aif/5)

130 Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at July 09, 2013 11:39 AM (a3iAA)

Its a military base so it would have had to be "federal"

Posted by: Vic at July 09, 2013 07:41 AM (lZvxr)

131

I can't believe the teller and bank employees complain about giving me money and make an issue of it over and over again. They hand out money everyday to other people and you don't see me complaining about that . That these tellers and their allies try to hinder me from obtaining money like everyone else is shameful.

Posted by: Bank Robber at July 09, 2013 07:41 AM (m2CN7)

132 117 Vic,

They're not closed for a holiday besides "sequester butthurt day"...

http://tinyurl.com/kzs8msk

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at July 09, 2013 07:41 AM (LRFds)

133

One of the more difficult realities to accept is that other people have positions that are opposite of yours and that they came to those positions thought thought and consideration.

I agree with the sentiment, AtC, but with this caveat: many people hold positions because they've been told they are the right positions to hold. They've given no thought or consideration to the things they believe, they just know they're supposed to believe a specific way because their "betters" told them so. That applies to both right and left, by the way, though the left has a monopoly on thoughtless adherents because of their stranglehold on the educational, bureaucratic, and media spheres.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at July 09, 2013 07:42 AM (4df7R)

134 Could it be a sequester closing?

Posted by: Tami at July 09, 2013 11:39 AM (X6akg)

That's the first thing I thought of but had sign saying "holiday".

Posted by: Vic at July 09, 2013 07:42 AM (lZvxr)

135 Kathi Belich, WFTV@KBelichWFTV

Dr. Bao testified that Dr. Di Maio's book is on his shelf. Di Maio says his conclusion is "101" forensic pathology.

Posted by: @JohnTant at July 09, 2013 07:43 AM (PFy0L)

136 #JustTheGarnishingOfYourPaycheck. Posted by: rickb223 at July 09, 2013 11:38 AM (uwLxR) #ThankfullyGOPputProvisionInACAOutlawingThis #We'reTheIRSYouLose.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 09, 2013 07:43 AM (uwLxR)

137

Doesn't congress have to pass legislation for that?

Posted by: Vic at July 09, 2013 11:37 AM (lZvxr)

Today is supposed to be the first day of DoD furloughs. Could be related to that.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at July 09, 2013 07:43 AM (4df7R)

138 Just tobacco users, or do the obese get hit too? How about drinkers? Those that don't exercise?

There's no penalty for cruising for anonymous bareback sex, doing eight-balls, or wearing flip-flops instead of real shoes, of course.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at July 09, 2013 07:43 AM (/kI1Q)

139

Hmmm. Settled law eh?

Like the right to life?

Like marriage being just between one man and one woman?

That blacks only counted as 3/5ths of a person?

Like only men could vote?

Posted by: Darth Randall at July 09, 2013 07:43 AM (mV8sg)

140 So hot when you talk like that. Posted by: Washington Nearsider, The Colossus of Independence at July 09, 2013 11:28 AM (fwARV) *blushes all demure like*

Posted by: alexthechick - Commence drinking now. at July 09, 2013 07:43 AM (VtjlW)

141 @renestutzman Jurors seem captivated by di Maio, defense gunshot expert.

Posted by: Tami[/i][/b][/u][/s] at July 09, 2013 07:43 AM (X6akg)

142 Here we go: leaning over, gun in Right hand...jury, I hope, paying attention.

GSW tattoo: defect in clothing and powder tattoo. Clothing falls away from chest vs clothing lying on back.

State's notes: Whoopsie!

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, Medical Examiner at July 09, 2013 07:43 AM (baL2B)

143 Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at July 09, 2013 11:41 AM (LRFds)

Maybe it was a "sequester holiday". Probably didn't have a "sequester" sign.

Posted by: Vic at July 09, 2013 07:44 AM (lZvxr)

144 136 Vic,

Probably the only sign they had...

it's all bases and it is sequester related, they had a poll asking customers whether they should spike Tuesdays or Wed since Boehner is the Grinch a while back...

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at July 09, 2013 07:44 AM (LRFds)

145 @LawSelfDefense #dimaio Difference between evidence on clothing and skin is that TM was leaning forward, clothing hanging away from body

Posted by: Tami[/i][/b][/u][/s] at July 09, 2013 07:44 AM (X6akg)

146 146 Vic,

That's my guess it's not like DECA has the cream of the Civil Service crop

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at July 09, 2013 07:44 AM (LRFds)

147 I'm not sure why you morons are still complaining about Obamacare. Look at Theresa Heinz. She has a Grand Mal seizure on Nantucket and after a trip to the hospital in Nantucket they put her on her private plane, fly her to Boston, shut down the roads from Logan Airport to Mass General where she immediately gets the best treatment money can buy. This is the kind of treatment we will all receive in the future. Right? Right?!?

Posted by: JackStraw at July 09, 2013 07:45 AM (g1DWB)

148 @KBelichWFTV Di Maio says #Zimmermanon9 's account of the shooting is consistent with the evidence of Martin's wound.

Posted by: Tami[/i][/b][/u][/s] at July 09, 2013 07:45 AM (X6akg)

149 I agree with the sentiment, AtC, but with this caveat: many people hold positions because they've been told they are the right positions to hold. They've given no thought or consideration to the things they believe, they just know they're supposed to believe a specific way because their "betters" told them so. "That's retarded, Sir".

Posted by: rickb223 at July 09, 2013 07:45 AM (uwLxR)

150 ME testifying TM straddling and leaning over GZ

Posted by: Thunderb at July 09, 2013 07:45 AM (zOTsN)

151 This is the kind of treatment we will all receive in the future. Right? Right?!?

And at no cost to ourselves.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at July 09, 2013 07:45 AM (/kI1Q)

152 And at no cost to ourselves.

Posted by: HeatherRadishÂ™ needs a beer at July 09, 2013 11:45 AM (/kI1Q)

It'll be paid for by all those freshly minted legal aliens paying back taxes, and by all the rich people finally paying their fair share.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at July 09, 2013 07:46 AM (4df7R)

153 155 H Radish,

now that comrade Soetoro has defeated those evil Rethuglicans who prevented us all from having free medical care all is well....

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at July 09, 2013 07:47 AM (LRFds)

154 Liberals can never be satisfied, since their nirvana cannot exist on earth, and their theological model does not work in the real world. They have to satisfy themselves with attacking anything that conservatives respect, instead.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at July 09, 2013 07:47 AM (pT3XC)

155

"they warned the sports and entertainment industries from participating in any public service announcements to help seniors understand how the law works"

Yes MSM, had the Bush administration attempted to enlist the entertainment media to help sell an unpopular, invasive bill to a skeptical public, you would have cheered their innovative approach, frowned at any Dem attempt to interfere, and totally not shattered your metacarpals pounding "OMG GOEBBELS" into your keyboards. Got it.

Posted by: Croaker at July 09, 2013 07:47 AM (uHiz2)

156 Listening to Dr. Maio explain is like watching Temperance Brennan on Bones, or Dr. Isles on Rizzoli and Isles. Listening to Dr. Bao is like listening to Wylie Coyote, coroner extraordinaire of Fawlty Towers.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, Medical Examiner at July 09, 2013 07:47 AM (baL2B)

157 Is the State actually trying to argue the shot wasn't from the ground?

Posted by: Jean at July 09, 2013 07:47 AM (CMlD4)

158 The IRS has ways of collecting outside of tagging your refund. Tax liens can be very messy. And yes, they can and will garnish your bank accounts if you really piss them off.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at July 09, 2013 11:42 AM (OWjjx)

I don't understand? I specifically remember votes to make such actions illegal by the IRS. Thus Dick Morris' contention that people would be in prison for refusing to pay the fine was a fantasy.

Serious totes? Did the law change in this regard?

-----

Regardless, don't you think there will be a great number of people willing to go to prison over the individual mandate? I know I would.

Posted by: Serious Cat at July 09, 2013 07:48 AM (UypUQ)

159 I think we should just all get along and support the Healthcare Law and fix the problems so that everybody can have good health care coverage. The president is trying so hard to help this country and all the republicans can do is try to make him look bad because he is a person of color and automatically considered a socialist without any basis. Bush lied everyday and the democrats never did anything to hurt his presidency. Let's all grow-up and act like adults and support our president of color.

Posted by: LaQuisha Largess at July 09, 2013 07:48 AM (IkHXL)

160 As for the obamacare smoker's penalty that was predicted long ago by smokers. Soon anything judged to be unhealthy will be penalized, and guess what.

They already consider owning a gun unhealthy.

Posted by: Vic at July 09, 2013 07:48 AM (lZvxr)

161 'Progressives' remind me of spoiled teenagers. They think they know everything. They do not understand that no means no, and they think if they keep on demanding new goodies mommy will give in to their demands. Most republicans are weak willed mommies who give in and give it up to shut up the teenagers. Unfortunately, this feedback produces more whiney demands and hissy fits.

Posted by: angel with a sword at July 09, 2013 07:48 AM (2y8mE)

162 Need I remind this fucking fuckstick that a hell of a lot of Dems voted for the Iraq war--and then didn't even wait 6 months before doing anything and everything to undermine it?

Hmm? Where's the fucking reciprocity? The GOP has gone no where near the level of nuclear the Dems went on Bush over the war _they_fucking_ voted for.

Fuck him. The world will be a better place when people like that are breathing mud.

Posted by: RoyalOil at July 09, 2013 07:48 AM (VjL9S)

163

This is the kind of treatment we will all receive in the future. Right? Right?!?

Actually it is the type of treatment we will receive except for the hospital transfer and private plane and team of doctors . Also we will get something Heinz didn't get. A panel of experts to determine the appropriate treatment for me.

A Panel. You can't beat that.

Posted by: polynikes at July 09, 2013 07:49 AM (m2CN7)

164

Tax liens can be very messy. And yes, they can and will garnish your bank accounts if you really piss them off.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at July 09, 2013 11:42 AM (OWjjx)

True, but per the Dread Justice Roberts, they cannot use liens to enforce the ACA requirements.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at July 09, 2013 07:49 AM (pT3XC)

165 Fuck Obama. Fuck liberals I am paying $450 a month for insurance now. Under the exchanges, the cheapest option I will have will cost $680. FUCK OBAMA!!

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at July 09, 2013 07:50 AM (HDgX3)

166 Obama = Raymond Cocteau?

Posted by: Insomniac at July 09, 2013 07:50 AM (NEIxp)

167 ME says TM dead in 1-3 minutes. He was conscious for less time than that. Probably.

Posted by: Thunderb at July 09, 2013 07:51 AM (zOTsN)

168 True, but per the Dread Justice Roberts, they cannot use liens to enforce the ACA requirements. Posted by: Vashta Nerada at July 09, 2013 11:49 AM (pT3XC) And since when does the law matter to these people?

Posted by: Insomniac at July 09, 2013 07:52 AM (NEIxp)

169 If you're in Sanford FL watching this guy testify, you have to be wondering why your tax dollars are instead going to pay for a bizarre imbecile like Dr. Bao instead of *this* guy.

Posted by: @JohnTant at July 09, 2013 07:52 AM (PFy0L)

170 @KBelichWFTV Dr. Maio says Martin would have died 1-3 minutes after being shot and would have lost consciousness at least 10-15 seconds.

Posted by: Tami[/i][/b][/u][/s] at July 09, 2013 07:52 AM (X6akg)

171

There's no penalty for cruising for anonymous bareback sex, doing eight-balls, or wearing flip-flops instead of real shoes, of course.

Posted by: HeatherRadishÂ™ needs a beer at July 09, 2013 11:43 AM (/kI1Q)

-----------------------

What about tottering around in those gigantic platform wedge shoes, like the little Japanese broads do? That's like an ankle-snapping fiesta right there. I'll be damned if I should pay for that foolishness.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at July 09, 2013 07:52 AM (CJjw5)

172 This guy made his professional bones in TX.

Posted by: Thunderb at July 09, 2013 07:53 AM (zOTsN)

173 True, but per the Dread Justice Roberts, they cannot use liens to enforce the ACA requirements.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at July 09, 2013 11:49 AM (pT3XC)

You think they'll actually adhere to a SCOTUS decision they don't like? You have more faith than I.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at July 09, 2013 07:53 AM (4df7R)

174 They already consider owning a gun unhealthy. And eating meat.

Posted by: t-bird at July 09, 2013 07:53 AM (FcR7P)

175 No - the penalty tax is applied independently of any withholding. Posted by: steveegg at July 09, 2013 11:32 AM (o44nj) ________ But the IRS can only collect it from a refund. No refund = no way the IRS can get it from you.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at July 09, 2013 07:53 AM (HDgX3)

176 175 John Tant,

You can thank the 2d US District Court and the notion of "non merit based preferential hiring"....

I'm sure Dr Bao filled in some box somewhere...

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at July 09, 2013 07:53 AM (LRFds)

177 Posted by: LaQuisha Largess

Shut up and eat your lentil wrap and 1/2 c. raw jicama with 1TSP lo-fat ranch dip.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at July 09, 2013 07:54 AM (/kI1Q)

178 180 T-Bird,

and voting Republican....

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at July 09, 2013 07:54 AM (LRFds)

179 Stupid judge.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, Medical Examiner at July 09, 2013 07:54 AM (baL2B)

180 This guy is good. Real good.

Posted by: Thunderb at July 09, 2013 07:54 AM (zOTsN)

181 @LawSelfDefense #dimaio West: "10-15s allow someone to move arms from outstretched position to underneath his body?" "Yes"

Posted by: Tami[/i][/b][/u][/s] at July 09, 2013 07:55 AM (X6akg)

182 As for the obamacare smoker's penalty that was predicted long ago by smokers. Soon anything judged to be unhealthy will be penalized, and guess what. They already consider owning a gun unhealthy. It will be...for them.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 09, 2013 07:55 AM (uwLxR)

183 I don't understand? I specifically remember votes to make such actions illegal by the IRS. Thus Dick Morris' contention that people would be in prison for refusing to pay the fine was a fantasy. Serious totes? Did the law change in this regard? ----- Regardless, don't you think there will be a great number of people willing to go to prison over the individual mandate? I know I would. Posted by: Serious Cat at July 09, 2013 11:48 AM (UypUQ) As was discussed at the NoVaMoMee, the US doesn't have debtor's prison, oh no. What the US does have is contempt of court. We are working on throwing someone in jail for the fourth time for refusing to pay amounts he clearly owes and has been ordered to pay. Technically, he's not being jailed for failing to pay, he's being jailed for refusing to obey the court order to pay. So when you don't pay the tax, you won't be thrown in jail for not paying the tax. You will be thrown in jail for contempt of court for refusing to obey the order to pay the tax. That's so totes different!

Posted by: alexthechick - Commence drinking now. at July 09, 2013 07:55 AM (VtjlW)

184 When I think of Lynne Stewart, I think of THIS: http://goo.gl/x8cZX

Posted by: Waldo at July 09, 2013 07:55 AM (vDjkK)

185

Shut up and eat your lentil wrap and 1/2 c. raw jicama with 1TSP lo-fat ranch dip.

Posted by: HeatherRadishÂ™ needs a beer at July 09, 2013 11:54 AM (/kI1Q)

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I deep-fried jicama once, thinking they were like potatoes.

They're nothing like potatoes.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at July 09, 2013 07:56 AM (CJjw5)

186 177 There's no penalty for cruising for anonymous bareback sex, doing eight-balls, or wearing flip-flops instead of real shoes, of course. Posted by: HeatherRadishÂ™ needs a beer at July 09, 2013 11:43 AM (/kI1Q) ----------------------- What about tottering around in those gigantic platform wedge shoes, like the little Japanese broads do? That's like an ankle-snapping fiesta right there. I'll be damned if I should pay for that foolishness. --- If they look like Sarah Jessica Parker, I think that the prescribed treatment ends up being a shotgun.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at July 09, 2013 07:56 AM (a3iAA)

187 Not everything is better deep fat fried Flame away

Posted by: Thunderb at July 09, 2013 07:56 AM (zOTsN)

188 I do not even know what jicama is. Ignorance is bliss.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at July 09, 2013 07:57 AM (4df7R)

189 New one

Posted by: Vic at July 09, 2013 07:57 AM (lZvxr)

190 Kinda OT. It's not about Obamacare but it is about having something shoved up your rectum.

JFK's poor bedraggled rectum.

http://tinyurl.com/kvtk8fl

Posted by: WalrusRex at July 09, 2013 07:58 AM (XUKZU)

191 When did hooker shoes become so popular? And how come there are not more injuries from them?

Posted by: Waldo at July 09, 2013 07:58 AM (vDjkK)

192 182 No - the penalty tax is applied independently of any withholding.
Posted by: steveegg at July 09, 2013 11:32 AM (o44nj)

________

But the IRS can only collect it from a refund. No refund = no way the IRS can get it from you.
==========
What?

Well, I'm fucking golden then, what with the never seeing a refund going on 10+ years now.

I really need to find a doctor around here to put on retainer. I'd rather pay him the $3k a year for nothing than the insurance company.

Posted by: RoyalOil at July 09, 2013 07:58 AM (VjL9S)

193 Dr. Bao's response to knuckle stuff: Hand closed. Could not open. Camera not high enough to take photo of hand.

Dr. Maio: internal exam of hands would show stuff.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, Medical Examiner at July 09, 2013 07:58 AM (baL2B)

194 @LawSelfDefense #dimaio Would have needed cut into knuckles examine internally to see if bruise-like injury from punching--not done.

Posted by: Tami[/i][/b][/u][/s] at July 09, 2013 07:59 AM (X6akg)

195 Oh, my bad. You only get 1/4 cup jicama.

Here's what you get to eat, serf:
http://is.gd/TtOANa

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at July 09, 2013 07:59 AM (/kI1Q)

196 Orlando reporter upset ME did gunshot pattern tests on rabbits How the fuck is he supposed to do it?

Posted by: Thunderb at July 09, 2013 08:00 AM (zOTsN)

197 As was discussed at the NoVaMoMee, the US doesn't have debtor's prison, oh no. What the US does have is contempt of court. We are working on throwing someone in jail for the fourth time for refusing to pay amounts he clearly owes and has been ordered to pay. Technically, he's not being jailed for failing to pay, he's being jailed for refusing to obey the court order to pay.

So when you don't pay the tax, you won't be thrown in jail for not paying the tax. You will be thrown in jail for contempt of court for refusing to obey the order to pay the tax. That's so totes different!

Posted by: alexthechick - Commence drinking now. at July 09, 2013 11:55 AM (VtjlW)

What would you do?

Posted by: Serious Cat at July 09, 2013 08:01 AM (UypUQ)

198 How the fuck is he supposed to do it?

I'm cool with using reporters for testing.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at July 09, 2013 08:01 AM (/kI1Q)

199 You minx!

Posted by: Thunderb at July 09, 2013 08:04 AM (zOTsN)

200 This doc is talking directly to the jury....like he's teaching a class to beginners. He's very good.

Posted by: Tami[/i][/b][/u][/s] at July 09, 2013 08:04 AM (X6akg)

201 According to reporters, jury is eating this up

Posted by: Thunderb at July 09, 2013 08:05 AM (zOTsN)

202 What would you do? Posted by: Serious Cat at July 09, 2013 12:01 PM (UypUQ) What's my posture? Prosecution or defense?

Posted by: alexthechick - Commence drinking now. at July 09, 2013 08:06 AM (VtjlW)

203 New prosecution theory: Zimmerman was concussed after having his head pounded into the concrete, so he was not acting reasonably.

Posted by: @JohnTant at July 09, 2013 08:08 AM (PFy0L)

204 You'd think they could have found a better photo. Whatevah.

ChristyBlinky thinks head looks denty. I was right!

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, Medical Examiner at July 09, 2013 08:09 AM (baL2B)

205 Anyone else get the impression that Zimmerman is medicate....he blinks very slowly and they just showed him with his eyes closed? Might explain the weight gain also.

Posted by: Tami[/i][/b][/u][/s] at July 09, 2013 08:10 AM (X6akg)

206 What's my posture? Prosecution or defense?

Posted by: alexthechick - Commence drinking now. at July 09, 2013 12:06 PM (VtjlW)

As a tax payer. I plan on leaving any sections related to ACA on next year's tax forms completely blank. I also will redo my withholding in the fall to zero out my refund/amount owed.

Posted by: Serious Cat at July 09, 2013 08:12 AM (UypUQ)

207 listening to expert testimony, and 18 months of stress, and already having ADD, will make a client sleepy

Posted by: thunderb at July 09, 2013 08:15 AM (zOTsN)

208 even when their life is on the line

Posted by: thunderb at July 09, 2013 08:16 AM (zOTsN)

209 This guy is great....I don't know what the State is going to do to impeach his testimony. He's very authoritative.

Posted by: Tami[/i][/b][/u][/s] at July 09, 2013 08:19 AM (X6akg)

210 Apparently Dr. B. took Zimmerman's photos also with his Polaroid.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, Medical Examiner at July 09, 2013 08:20 AM (baL2B)

211 210 New prosecution theory: Zimmerman was concussed after having his head pounded into the concrete, so he was not acting reasonably. --- I see they've abandoned the key tenet of a 2nd degree murder case here, which would be Zimmerman showing "depraved mind". If I'm the defense, I argue that the prosecution's abandonment of such a charge means it should be thrown out and only the lesser charges considered. The definition of murder with a depraved mind in Florida is "showing no regard for human life." Zimmerman calling for help and only waiting until Martin saw the gun and went for it shows Z had a regard for human life and only shot Martin in self-defense, IMHO.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at July 09, 2013 08:23 AM (a3iAA)

212 Zimmerman calling for help and only waiting until Martin saw the gun and went for it shows Z had a regard for human life and only shot Martin in self-defense, IMHO.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at July 09, 2013 12:23 PM (a3iAA)

He also did not shoot Martin in head or execution-style, as the media would hope you would think, as he was a CAC.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, Medical Examiner at July 09, 2013 08:25 AM (baL2B)

213 Dr. B. takes offense at "washed out photograph" comment by Dr. Maio. This was not his expertise!

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, Medical Examiner at July 09, 2013 08:27 AM (baL2B)

214 He's making Dr. Rao who dismissed every injury to GZ's face, look like an asshole. Then again, Dr. Rao made herself look like an asshole with her bullshit testimony and immature behavior on the stand. People forget what a goof she was because her idiocy was overshadowed by Bao.

Posted by: Waldo at July 09, 2013 08:29 AM (vDjkK)

215 Six separate injuries...photos suck (translating for Dr. Maio).

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, Medical Examiner at July 09, 2013 08:29 AM (baL2B)

216 Judge stupid.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, Medical Examiner at July 09, 2013 08:29 AM (baL2B)

217 This guy is good. Real good.

He wrote the book.

Posted by: toby928© screams like a little girl at July 09, 2013 08:29 AM (codCi)

218 People forget what a goof she was because her idiocy was overshadowed by Bao.

Posted by: Waldo at July 09, 2013 12:29 PM (vDjkK)

I forgot about Rao. So we have Rao, Bao and Maio, with Maio in totally other league as he did not train at Holiday Inn Express in Guadalajara.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, Medical Examiner at July 09, 2013 08:31 AM (baL2B)

219 Time for lunch!

Posted by: Waldo at July 09, 2013 08:31 AM (vDjkK)

220 Suspenderman looks distressed.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, Medical Examiner at July 09, 2013 08:32 AM (baL2B)

221 I feel so badly for Zimmerman and this mess the State of Florida has hatched.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, Medical Examiner at July 09, 2013 08:33 AM (baL2B)

222 Um...expert witnesses are typically paid. doofus.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, Medical Examiner at July 09, 2013 08:34 AM (baL2B)

223

One thing that would be helpful is if conservatives would stop calling these half-educated, sneering, credentialed, frauds "elitists." If people had any idea just how easy it is to get even an advanced degree these days it would change their perceptions about education forever.

I'm a former academic from the Ivy League and I am only half-joking when I tell you that all you need to get into just about any school these days is to be a member of a preferred cast, or a 6" X 2 3/4 " piece of paper that starts with "pay to the order of." So next time someone waves his graduate degree in your face, ask him if he can read, chances are he can't.

Posted by: Kim at July 09, 2013 09:45 AM (ICqvM)

224 We have no obligation to support the framework of economic regulation. That is partly why Congress has the power to enact them - they are temporary, optional, and may be reversed by democratic action.

Posted by: Chris Balsz at July 09, 2013 10:04 AM (TbVAj)

225 The Republicans are trying to help Obama fix Obamacare. They've offered to repeal it dozens of times.

Posted by: Ernst Blofeld at July 09, 2013 04:31 PM (zVf1K)

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