But Lois Lerner doesn't like that idea. Instead, she embraces the notion that people can and should be punished and compelled into acting the way she prefers, not after Due Process has found them blameworthy, but before anyone even thinks to file charges.

This is the same thinking that drives gun legislation in this country.   "We won't ban everyone from owning    a   gun because then we'll get swamped by second amendment whackjobs.   No, what we'll DO, see, is make the legal process for obtaining, owning, keeping, and USING a gun so onerous, so draconian, that no one will ever bother to do it.   AND, if we find out they have a gun or obtain a gun in any way   outside of the workings of the law, we can charge them with    a felony!     'Oh, you inherited grampa's 10/22?   Well too bad, sucker, you didn't keep it broken down into its component parts and stored in a vacuum-sealed, air tight safe with the ammunition kept separately!'"

Posted by: sTevo at July 11, 2013 12:24 PM (Tssnh)

Fuck letting her relax.  I want her in leg shackles, pushing a mill wheel like Conan the Barbarian    for thirty fucking years.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 11, 2013 12:26 PM (+98Gb)

Mmm, slatternly.  One of my favorite words.

This slatternly vagina named Lerner needs a kick in the head.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 11, 2013 12:27 PM (+98Gb)

He did it wrong though.

In America -- in any free country -- you are supposed to be free from punishment and compulsion unless you are found guilty of some misbehavior through Due Process.

This was the inherent principle of freedom  that we once trusted all officials to hold in their hearts.

As we're seeing, this is no longer the case. Principle has fled, trust is dissolved and our country is being reduced because of it.   Particularly in this case  and the Zimmerman trial, we're seeing  the  breakdown of the spirit of the law and the intent of the Founders   happen right before our eyes.  And we  find ourselves powerless to stop it.

Carried over from last thread.  For AtC:

http://tinyurl.com/oju4zju


and:

http://tinyurl.com/nt923we

And with that out of the way:

I want these people gone.  Blog rules forbid me from saying how.

I thought  Obama was  going to be  George Bush III, but  he ended up as King George III.

You  say  you  want  a  revolution,  well you know....

Posted by: Saul Alinsky

Posted by: Vic at July 11, 2013 12:20 PM (lZvxr)

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She will never be.  She has evidence that Holder directed her to do all of this stuff at the "request" of Obama.  It is how the game is played.  She will dither about for a couple of more months then retire to spend more time with her family.  She won't talk.  Well, at least I don't think she will.  That stuff about the 5th and not wanting to incriminate herself means she was/is at least thinking about the future.

Posted by: President Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbet Camacho at July 11, 2013 12:29 PM (uvaJ1)

The leftists believe they have a conscience.  But what   they  call "conscience" is what we call "narcissisism and hubris."

Thanks for the Lewis quote.  I had never seen it before, or if I did I forgot it.  That is as good a description of liberalism as I have ever seen. 

Which is not the same as the fascists we have in some of our government entities today, but the run of the mill liberal?  Yes, exactly.  He/she is doing it for our own good. 

The IRS is the militant wing of the democrat party.  We cannot allow the IRS to continue as presently structured.  The IRS was a part of a conspiracy to prevent a fair election, and we need a special prosecutor, now.

I cannot fathom     with    the preponderance of these scandals, that anyone could consider the 2012 election legitimate.  I also cannot fathom how the secretaries of state of FL, OH, VA, IA, CO, and WI are not investigating voter fraud in said elections.

In further reality kicking me in the face news, Chick Fil A got my order wrong. Not hugely, just tea instead of Diet Coke and I like their tea but that's not the point. Chick Fil A got my order wrong. The Universe is utterly fucked.

*immediately purchases a Diet Coke for AtC*

Um... crap, I didn't think this through.  Will this go through the USB port?   *attempts*

How can these martinets not realize that they're sitting on a fuckin' powder keg ?

Because they don't believe they are.  Consider the average political scum.  They get waved through checkpoints, are driven or flown wherever they want and are used to people respectfully addressing them as "sir," "ma'am," "senator" or "representative."  They almost never hear how despised they are and when they do, they write it off as "agitators" or "teabaggers."

We have, slowly, accepted so many infringements on our liberties - smoking bans, seat belt laws, regulation of fats and so on - that these martinets believe we will continue to shrug, say, "well, complaining won't pay the bills," and bow meekly to whatever diktat or whim they conjure.

Posted by: CSMBigBird at July 11, 2013 12:26 PM (jsWA

Some people used to know would say, "Come deer season he better stay out of the woods."

In an old Episode of MASH Col. Blake says something to the effect of "They [Holihan and Burns] went over my head, down to Radar."

The idea being of course that he was not actually in control, but rather the chief bureaucrat, Radar was. And whoever could control Radar (by whatever means, in this case intimidation) actually controlled the unit.

America has become the same.  Not a nation of laws, but a nation of bureaucracy, and whoever controls the bureaucracy, by whatever means, controls the nation.

In this case Lois Lerner gained control, through various means, some legitimate, many not.  And leveraged it as a weapon against the people.

If you want a glimpse at something truly scary, try a simple math exercise:

  Multiply Lois Lerner by every federal and state bureaucratic functionary (social workers, EPA officials, IRS, etc.- across the board) and ask yourself what are the odds that someone, somewhere, sometime,  will  make an arbitrary ruling that subjects you to the 'penalty of the process'. 

Lois Lerner, Director of Exempt Operations, tells Businessweek that receiving a thick questionnaire from the IRS is a “behavior changer.”

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It's also less messy than a horse head in your bed

Posted by: AmishDude at July 11, 2013 12:25 PM (T0NGe)

Chock full?  Ma's drool? Cause Bull? I give up. I haven't been good at stuff like that since law school.

Posted by: Tree of Liberty at July 11, 2013 12:43 PM (4XER9)

Speak for yourself. I'm warming the fava beans as we speak.

Flogging in the public square is also a behavior changer.

Recommend this for LL

Posted by: CSMBigBird at July 11, 2013 12:26 PM (jsWA

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You are terminal. I give you 115 years, tops before you croak.

That'll be $125 please.

@120

Yeah, I'm going with the GOP being incompetent over some grand scheme to seize power.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) - Passing through Rage & Out the Other Side at July 11, 2013 12:46 PM (/PCJa)

A while back they covered a charity near here that provided kids with a fairly simple lunch during the summer when school was out (and school lunch programs shut down.)

It was a private charity, so I have no beef with it per say.

In any case, they said they were able to produce a lunch (a cold lunch IIRC) for about 35 cents.  Said lunch had a main dish (sandwich maybe) side and a small drink.

I asked my wife "while this is probably a good thing over all, wouldn't it be important to show parents how they can feed their kid lunch for 35 cents?"

@134

Can we use piss to put out the government as well?

109 Nope, everyday they are still bussed in for God knows what

Noon basketball instead of Midnight basketball.   No I'm not kidding.  This all works out fine until it doesn't.  I'm with AllenG.  My ragemeter is fucking broken. 

I cannot fathom with the preponderance of these scandals, that anyone could consider the 2012 election legitimate. I also cannot fathom how the secretaries of state of FL, OH, VA, IA, CO, and WI are not investigating voter fraud in said elections.

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Because, racism.

Most of the state GOP governors are slowly falling into line, stabbing us in the back on one major issue or another.

I'm really curious to see how Corbett reacts to the PA AG stating that she refuses to do her job as required by law. 'Cause the R-dominated state government has been nothing but a paper tiger so far.

Haven't read all the comments, but such an admission would be fun in a civil rights suit brought by some person or entity subjected to such behavior. I can only imagine the fun/horror of deposition answers.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) - Passing through Rage & Out the Other Side at July 11, 2013 12:21 PM (/PCJa)

Is it ok if I grab a big screen while we are at it ?

I would like it noted that I am on Team Jellyfish

Gah!  Oceans are good for oil and food.

Those of you who like swimming in there deserve what's coming to you!

Heh.  From the Twitter feed of Robert Costa at NRO -

Gohmert just yelled "OBJECTION!" as Pelosi was speaking. She said the GOP's revised farm bill hurts the poor. He jumped up immediatley

Ack. Major sock fail. Two corpses that were put on trial, desecrated, and thrown in a ditch.

Actually, they may be omens for what lies ahead.

@151

Too many times I've had my generic brand groceries in my cart contemplating putting back some meat whilst standing behind a person with two cartloads of food who pays with the Lone Star card or whatever.

Many times, they no speake de English either.

Isn't it considered an indecent act to flog the dog in public?

Next charge against Zimmerman?

The language that man knows....

Posted by: BCochran1981 at July 11, 2013 12:55 PM (da5Wo)

*dabs eyes with lace handkerchief*   So very, very proud. 

Posted by: no good deed at July 11, 2013 12:58 PM (WmLrU)

Tell me about it.  It's like the world stopped listening to me.

It'd be dishonorable to merely say "off sock" to such a respectable sock.

So: Please forgive me for sullying your name Nobel Winning Economist of Freedom!

I'm so outraged by the IRS scandals that I will only vote for politicians that support a flat  tax/fair tax or a national sales tax.  Anything that would replace current tax law and render the IRS as nearly insignificant.

When a federal department targets law-abiding citizens because of their political beliefs, that department must be rendered mostly powerless. 

Posted by: alexthechick - Commence drinking now. at July 11, 2013 12:57 PM (VtjlW)

The only communal pot  we had growing up was for tissues.  Every kid was supposed to bring in a box at the start of the year.  And that ended at some point between the 4th-6th grade.

Posted by: no good deed

I was standing behind a woman at the grocery store.  She paid for her groceries (Cheetos, soda, cookies, and hot dogs) with an EBT card.  She had her hair done to the nines with different colored streaks, she had acrylic nails a mile long,  decked out in gold jewelry, her smart phone in her hand jabbering away, and tattoos all over.  Here I am a working slob in my nike shorts, t-shirt and sandals feeling like a fool while I arrange my coupons.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) - Passing through Rage & Out the Other Side at July 11, 2013 01:03 PM (/PCJa)

Well I'm in New England   and  you're in Texas, soo... Kansas?

Posted by: BCochran1981 at July 11, 2013 01:04 PM (da5Wo)

Oh God.  i don't know that i   have enough rage left in me to properly ragestroke, but by all means, regale us.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at July 11, 2013 01:02 PM (XIxXP)

Been there, done that.  The beginning of every school year here, the public schools begin begging for us to supply the chilluns with free school supplies. 

I was astonished that when I sent my kid to school, all the students were directed to dump their school supplies into communal bins.  Might as well get them  used to communism early, I suppose.

Got into it with one of the teachers, since I had purchased decent supplies for my kid (real wood pencils, good folders, etc) that I bought for, you know, my kid's use. 

Interesting turn...the school I guess got tired of fighting parents on this so they offered a "convenient" option of buying supplies at the beginning of the year and the carton would be delivered to the class....to, yes, be dumped into the communal bins.  I asked the administrator that if I was paying for all those supplies in my kid's carton, what happens to the stuff she doesn't use?  Do I get it back? 

They really don't like me at that school.

Posted by: no good deed at July 11, 2013 12:59 PM (WmLrU)

They do the same thing here too.  They tell every student and parent of certain things the child must bring in.  A large portion of the perpetually "underprivileged" (PU) bring nothing.  Thus the communal pot.

These same PU get three meals a day free, the rest must pay a small fee. This despite these same PU getting food stamps, welfare, and other social benefits worth more than some of the NUP's parents make.

FYI -  MSN Money ranks the top 5 states with the strongest financial outlook and the best places to live for your money.

5.  Utah and Virginia tied.

4.  Nebraska

3.  North Dakota

2.  Texas

1.  South Dakota

What do these 6 states have in common?  All led by Republican Governors.  Why can't our feckless R's in DC tout this and use it as a teaching point to the less than informed??

Posted by: @JohnTant at July 11, 2013 01:08 PM (PFy0L)

That's retarded - suh! 

/channeling Jenteal

Posted by: Jane D'oh

Oh Jane!  Thank you for that visual! 

Posted by: Cheri at July 11, 2013 01:05 PM (G+Wff)

Don't forget buying Tuna for their cat because regular catfood isn't covered under EBT.

>>>Judge says NO child abuse.

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.Doesn't mean the Prosecutor isn't drafting up new charges right this minute.  I will bet $50 that he or Holder (or both) are working on something while I am typing this.  Maybe by the end of next week, or when the Jury comes back and says Not Guilty.  Anyone want a piece of that action?

Fuck it. Let's go bowling.

Meh, that sounds too much like work. Let's mix a 40 gallon cooler full of margaritas   and head to the beach.  Who's   bringing the straws?

Posted by: Thunderb at July 11, 2013 01:10 PM (zOTsN)

That Botox doesn't last forever, you know - especially when your frown isn't turned upside down. 

She should go home and give Alan a nice b.j.

Posted by: Jane D'oh

I never wanted to have to mentally picture what Greenspan's O-face looks like.

I have to go be noisily sick right now.   'Scuse me.

Eliot Spitzer has launched explosive allegations against his own party.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at July 11, 2013 01:04 PM (da5Wo)

I like stories.

Posted by: Thunderb at July 11, 2013 01:13 PM (zOTsN)

The local cops said there wasn't any reason to charge Zimmerman in the first place, but that didn't stop the DA's office.  I expect Holder won't really care what his FBI guys think   either.   He'll find soemthing.

Posted by: WalrusRex at July 11, 2013 01:13 PM (Hx5uv)

Those allegations are only explosive to anyone who doesn't know politics.  

Steam's summer sale has started. Good luck getting the page to load though.

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Nice.  I've been waiting for it to start up.  I'll have to take a peek at what they've got up for sale when I get home from work.

I don't understand the change they made. Where is the difference?

RWC at July 11, 2013 01:13 PM (fWAjv)

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Before you'd buy your own supplies and on Back To School Night dump it all into the kitty.

Now they want you to write them a check for $60, the District will purchase the supplies, parcel them out according to student name, and deliver the carton to your kid's classroom...to be dumped all into the kitty.

The idea was that since everyone would be purchasing the same supplies (same pencils, folders, paper, etc) they wouldn't have to hear from parents who purchased better stuff for their kids only to have it lost to the commune. 

I'll bring the SPF 6000.

I have a beach umbrella and a tent.

OK, Horde, take I-95 south until you see ship masts and  seagulls.  I'll be there shortly. If you hit the Cape Canaveral exit, you've gone too far.

Andrea super droopy

You're telling me.

Posted by: dan-O at July 11, 2013 12:26 PM (HWmoP)

This has to be the end game.  For all of my not short life, every law abiding citizen has dreaded dealing with the IRS cocksuckers.  They by themselves invalidate the principles on which the country was founded.  If the party of stoopid has a hair on their pansy asses, their long game has to be gelding this monstrosity into a shadow of its current existence and it should start by sending Lerner to jail.  Nothing short of this should be acceptable.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at July 11, 2013 01:15 PM (da5Wo)

FFS....

My father    installed flooring for forty some odd years, so yeah, ragestroke?   Check!

>>>Don't forget buying Tuna for their cat because regular catfood isn't covered under EBT.

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.Don't get me started on the "Black Card".  I have almost twice turned in people I know that abuse the heck out of that.  One couple, use the EBT card to buy the good stuff like Lobsters, steak and crab legs and when that runs out, they use their double State Disability money to buy regular groceries for the rest of the month.  He gets disability because he has COPD or some such thing and she gets it because she used to be a crack head and can't keep a job.  Sometimes I just can't believe it.  I figure Karma will rear her ugly head some day at them.  Oh and they live together but won't get married because that would reduce the State disability check.

I am 100% convinced that is why the CDC decalred obesity a disease.  Just to get more people on the disability roles. and make them dependent on the Government for food stamps and income.

I never wanted to have to mentally picture what Greenspan's O-face looks like.

I figure it looks like  a constipated  Abe Vigoda.

Posted by: RWC at July 11, 2013 01:16 PM (fWAjv)

'Sokay.   But if you happen to flick your cigarette butt into the bushes around their building, thus burning it to the ground in a fiery conflagration, that'd be awesome.

AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) - Passing through Rage & Out the Other Side at July 11, 2013 01:19 PM (/PCJa)

Of course, and in a little dirty bit of double dealing, apparently someone on the School Board is friendly with the vendor of these supplies. 

The whole thing is nuts. 

Of course, that would have me down there in a minute, because I'm not paying $60 for my kid's supplies when I could really get them for $30. The other $30 is for the kid whose parent's won't bother to plan to buy for school supplies.

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To which I have to ask, why does it even cost that much?  We're talking about a couple of pencils, lined paper, and a folder.  $10 tops.

I never wanted to have to mentally picture what Greenspan's O-face looks like.

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I figure it looks like a constipated Abe Vigoda.

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If I had to fuck that, I'd kill myself.

@276

That's second.  Manslaughter is two flavors of negligent homicide in Florida, voluntary and involuntary. 

I need to grab some bottles out of my well-stocked liquor cabinet...

Bourbon, spiced rum, or Canadian whiskey all seem like good choices at the moment.

Bring the bourbon.  I make a mean Old Fashioned.

Involuntary manslaughter fits with overzealous self-defense, if that's what happened here.   But I don't see how having your head smashed into the  concrete   does not suggest upcoming serious bodily harm.   Valid  and  legal  self  defense is a complete defense to involuntary manslaughter as well. 

[iso school supply costs went to teacher salaries or administration costs?
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And benefits.   And pensions.   Those sweet, sweet guaranteed pensions.

"That's why you have sign offs every step of the way. Verbals don't mean shit."

Got to disagree.

If the hospital project manager isn't denying that he said to go with option 2, the verbal would be as good as a written change order.

Just bill the option 2 price with an additional 2K for the materials (after a good faith effort to return the materials for credit).

Hey, it's been a while since law school, but doesn't manslaughter require a depraved heart or like a gross indifference to potential deadliness of your acts?

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Voluntary manslaughter can include instances when you lose it emotionally - such as, for instance, finding your wife in bed with your best friend, and killing both of them on the spot.  If you wait a bit, though, then its murder, not manslaughter.

Fucking PB&J!  How does it work?!

Posted by: EC at July 11, 2013 01:21 PM (GQ8sn)

Yeah nothing that peaks my interest yet.  But still got to check the flash sales and others because you never know.  Part of why there's nothing that peaks my interest is because I have several of the games they're discounting.

"Society owes it to moms to keep them happy."

Actual statement by my ex-wife and heartily endorsed by one of her fellow vaginas.

Just this one instance of them being stupid and the GC's Super being fucking stupid put a serious crimp in my morning.

*slides over a fresh margarita with a little umbrella in it*

RWC at July 11, 2013 01:29 PM (fWAjv)

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Hell, that's being generous.  Like Allen, I was getting kids outfitted for around $30/$40, and that's with all new stuff.  One year I refused to purchase a new set of colored pencils because my kid didn't use but three of the last pack.  Why buy new glue when you still have a half bottle left over from last year?  And so on.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) - Passing through Rage & Out the Other Side at July 11, 2013 01:29 PM (/PCJa)

Wal-Mart Stores no longer plans to build three stores in the nationÂ’s capitol, after the cityÂ’s council voted to force large retailers to pay starting wages that are 50% higher than the minimum wage there.

The worldÂ’s largest retailer also said it will consider its options related to three other Washington, D.C., stores that are still under construction.

"I was responsible for two manufacturing facilities and a corporate HQ. 4 billion dollar company. What's your experiance?"

I was the executive in charge of designing and building 3 manufacturing facilities, one big-ass house and another house for my son.

As project manager for the company, if I told a sub to change something in the absence of the general contractor and it later turned out wrong, I was still on the hook for the cost.

Verbal contracts as just as enforceable as written. 

Posted by: Dr. Varno at July 11, 2013 01:33 PM (bYRF2)

Oh man that premieres tonight, doesn't it

Just getting around after waking up and  finding out what's new with  the Z trial.  I think the way this trial was instigated and executed bothers  me more than anything else happening right now. 

Any further words I have about this would get me banned.

I think Steam is making a mistake and getting into social media bullshit. I really don't give a fuck about someone's status or what "trading cards" they have. What fresh shit is that anyhow? Fucking trading cards?!?! What is this, grade school?

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It's a pretty blatant "buy more stuff!" gimmick.  You only get half the cards you need for a given game, which means that you *must* trade to get more cards (there appears to be a gimmick that allows you to get more cards, but I'd bet that it only triggers on very rare occasions).  So if there's a badge that you absolutely must have for one of your games, then its in your best interests to find a friend who also plays that game, and then buy another game that friend plays so that you have the cards that your friend wants to swap for.

All this for a badge that's only a cosmetic award.

Oh, and it's apparently also possible to buy and sell cards with your fellow gamers.  But I'm betting that Valve takes a cut off the top of that...

You know, not that I ever particularly cared about Half-Life, but I would have thought that Valve would be busy trying to get Half-Life Episode 3 finished (it was supposed to be out HOW MANY years ago!?) before doing silly stuff like this...