1 I love Megan Kelley.... now shrubberies...

2

Yeah...I watched that.

 

Can we buy Erickson a clue?

3 wow

4 Melanie Philips (sp ?) had a similar observation re: divorce. All the evidence in the world that divorce is horrific for children is met with sneers by those who seek to be divorce. "My children" will be just fine w/no supporting evidence whatsoever ... City Journal, i think ...

5 Don't make me angry.
You won't like me when I'm angry.

6 I'm not going to settle the argument this afternoon so I won't bother trying. Good call. I don't think it will be settled in years, much less an afternoon.

7 Thank you, Jesus! I was afraid I was gonna have to get gross on that last thread.

8 Erickson gave the DNC a huge Gift...that the rest of us will be paying for.

9 "sex buttered with pickles".....   seriously ace?

10 Whenever my girlfriend walks into the living room while I'm watching Fox News and Megyn Kelly is on, she accuses me of not watching the news. She might be right.

11 Megyn can dominate me anytime she wants...

12 Whenever my girlfriend walks into the living room while I'm watching Fox News and Megyn Kelly is on, she accuses me of not watching the news. She might be right.
..........
Especially since you have the sound muted, right?

13 Erickson is a complete idiot.  So is Dobbs.  Sure, every now and then each of them makes a good point - and if you spend all afternoon throwing cow patties against the barn, some will stick, too.

If you're a "big fan" of either of these fools, it's a big clue that you will appear MUCH smarter by just keeping your mouth shut and your keyboard disconnected.

Kelly isn't exactly Jeanne Kirkpatrick, either, but it doesn't take much more than a triple-digit IQ to shame those two Bozos.

14 There's a difference between 'sole' provider and 'primary' provider.

Women earning more than their husbands isn't quite the societal upheaval that children have half the parental care and supervision.

15 Well, there goes any chances at the 2014 midterms.

Thanks, Eric.

16 Did someone mention buttered pickles?

17 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

18 all leftists know that their opinion is all that counts, since facts can be the result of personal biases. I just wanted to say that.

19 Sorry ---  'as children,' not 'that children.'

20 And I think I'm going back to the other thread, where it's safer.

21 4, adriane, yeah it's a real question and it's so huge it goes outside of politics. Think about it: Is it actually true that a human being must live entirely for his or her kids, even remaining inside a marriage in which he or she is miserable? There is no doubt that doing so is the "right thing" to do (if it's better for the kids). There's no doubt that a sort of heroism attaches to such selflessnes. But should our goal be the heroic, as a routine expectation of average people? It's a really big question. I think it gets discussed a little cheaply a lot of the time, by which I mean, it is very easy to *talk* about a lifetime of self-abnegation and such. It's very easy to *talk* this up as the Standard. I guess I think it's a bit bullshitty. it's like when liberals are always going on about how we must always be thinking of the poor people in the Sudan. Must I? Always? It's just... not true.

22    I must have missed why Erickson felt a need to share  an opinion on Kelley.

As far as i know she is providing , feeding , clothing her children. and her spouse? doesn't seem to mind sharing the work of raising the family?

why is this an issue?

23 All the evidence in the world that divorce is horrific for children is met with sneers by those who seek to be divorce. "My children" will be just fine w/no supporting evidence whatsoever ...

Same with 'Two mommies/daddies.'

Hell, most of liberalism is 'here's my new untested idea, let's impose it on society because it'll be great.'

24 She can hector me all she wants as long as she is wearing a naughty librarian outfit. Nurse outfit.

25 where did I write Buttered Pickles? I know I *intended* to write it at one point but now I can't find where I actually did.

26 You know, a friend tells me if you hang out in the dumpsters behind the FoxNews studios sometimes they throw out trash that has been used by Megyn. One time there was a napkin that I swear to god she used to blot her lipstick. It had the same color and it smelled of her. It smelled like freedom.

27 hahahaa....  Dobbs.. " please allow me.... oh dominant one "...   a moron comment for sure... heh.   Kelly's dander is certainly up on this one.... raises flag...

28 Does that 40% figure include single parent households (those without a man living there)?

It would be a fairly meaningless statistic if it turned out that the "primary" breadwinner was also the only breadwinner.

29 I think it is wrong to assume unemployed women make better mothers. Like obviously. I have seen unemployed parents blowing aid money on Lotto and 12 packs where neither could be bothered to parent despite having 24-7 to do so.

30 Megyn Kelly can butter my pickle anytime.

31 >>>I must have missed why Erickson felt a need to share an opinion on Kelley. he didn't, he shared it with Dobbs. Then Kelly had them both on to chew them out about it. Based on this interview, the "Nature Intended Men to Dominate Women" science seems to be a bit shaky.

32 divorce can be difficult on the children, they are often nasty as hell and often the worse of the parties  attributes appear  to battle .

still their are many cases wher divorce is less abusive  to the childrens health  and welfare than the family staying united.

33

She can hector me all she wants as long as she is wearing a naughty librarian outfit.

 

 

No Outfit

34 "A cavalier, loose attitude about sex is just buttered pickles for everyone... except..."

There you go Ace...  I' kinda like it..

35 >>>Does that 40% figure include single parent households (those without a man living there)? probably.

36 where did I write Buttered Pickles?

Right after your numbered list.

37 "A cavalier, loose attitude about sex is just buttered pickles for everyone... except the actual victims of it, which is children either born into poor circumstances or fetuses/babies (however you term it) aborted before they can even have those poor circumstances."

38 Man, i don't have enough time or energy to get into this one.... I have a whole lotta shit in the yard to cut and burn still. And i need to run to the store for smokes, beer and buttered pickles. But megyn is hot. That we can agree on.

39 Just saying, If I though there might be a opportunity to get personally yelled at by Megyn Kelly, I'd take it

40 15 ---"There's a difference between 'sole' provider and 'primary' provider." Posted by: zsasz at May 31, 2013 03:07 PM (MMC8r) --------------------------- Yep. Two entirely different things.

41
I can't stand 'Bread And Butter' pickles.

42 oh okay, I was just trying to think of a different way to say "the cat's pajamas."

43 My aunt got divorced. Divorce can't be all bad, only one of her kids tried to kill themselves.

44 If Lou Dobbs tried to dominate Megyn Kelly and failed, does this mean she dominated him?


I just want to say that Megynn Kelly- Dominatrix would be a huge seller even if it was shot as a parody with a lookalike.

45 " I guess I think it's a bit bullshitty. it's like when liberals are always going on about how we must always be thinking of the poor people in the Sudan. Must I? Always? It's just... not true." But your kids aren't statistics in a far off land. They're right in front of your face, and you created them and put them in that situation. It's not "heroic" to tell people to buck up and keep their vows.

46 A "friend".. uh huh

47 Good thing there's a new one up. 

I was just about to inquire as to MWRs melons on the other thread.

48 Buttered pickles is cockney slang for insult comic.

49 (and some people, like myself, have chosen criticizing others as a career!). Annnnd that's why you are Head Ewok. Here's the deal, I don't actually disagree with Erickson in general. Is it better for kids to have a stay at home parent? Yes. Speaking in very broad strokes, are women more likely to be inclined to that role for whatever reason? Yes. However. As a gyno-American who has never in her life wanted a child, ffs I didn't even play with dolls, I do tend to get my back up when I am being lectured to that Science says that my vagina makes me all nurturing and shit. Uh. Huh. That's it exactly, Erick. You've pegged it. That's it precisely. Yuppers. It's the inherent dilemma of the general not necessarily applying to the particular. Demographic information and statistical discussions may give you information about broad trends. Such information tells you not one damn thing about the individual standing before you. It may give you a starting point, but it will do only that.

50 ty ace,  hmm, well She is a big girl and i assume she set him straight on the many ways to mother and be a productive member  of the family. ( My video thingy load is slow

earning bread is a nice way to assist the family!

lol

51 Divorce and single parenthood are bad for children and worse for ordered liberty.   Single parents and broken homes make room for all to be brides of the state.   And the state WILL dominate you.

52 My daughter has the college degree and my son-in-law is a stay-at-home dad. Not the way I would have played it, but it works for them. I'm not really seeing a problem with that.


And with that said...how does "40% of mothers are the breadwinners" = sex outside of marriage? Not all of those mothers are unwed (and that has more to do with the government replacing husbands/fathers with paychecks than it has to do with sex outside of marriage anyway).

53

ace...after "cavalier loose attitude".

 

Also, my girlfriend is going to thank you for the idea.

54 It's about children. Sex outside of marriage will lead, inevitably, to two things: 1. Pregnancies terminated by abortions. 2. Pregnancies carried through to term with a child now born into a single-parent family. Or alternately: 3. Out of a feeling of responsibility, the man and woman decide to form a family to do what's right by the child. Like they used to do. It's not popular now. I hate this century.

55 Is it me or is Megyn Kelly swelling up like a Judd?

56 >>>But your kids aren't statistics in a far off land. They're right in front of your face, and you created them and put them in that situation. That's true but it's still not true that adults do *everything* for their kids. They are still people and they do things for themselves, too. Divorce is such a big thing for parents, too, that I sort of doubt that it's done casually most of the time.

57 Wait,she was able to have a career without an abortion? Head explodes.you conservatives are all like what about the children,when is really all what about the careers!

58 Eh,
1) Erick is, by and large, a pudgy dumbass.
2) Only sometimes he is right.
3) There is some evidence that, yes, little kids are best raised by their mothers--nannies, child care, etc. don't cut it--up to school age.
4) The JEF was raised by a single mom; as was Bill Clinton (Lefits call that a good thing, reality and results may tell a different story.).
5) By the over-all numbers, we've all gotten poorer--economically and morally--after we took the two-working parents deal.
6) Again, by the over-all numbers: It's almost a sure bet that if you are a single-mom, you're going to live a large part of your life below the poverty line (the amount of time you're going to have to miss work because of your kids plays a big role, I suspect.).

All of this strongly suggests we need to take close look at the cost/benefits of two-income families and single parents.

And the huffiness of "well, _I'm_ a good mom, how dare you criticize _me_!" won't change those numbers.

59 Ace - Modern day browsers have this "Search/Find" function.. of course, you are still using IE 3.0 in keeping with the "retro" feel of the blog...

60 Is it perhaps a little ironic that the posters criticizing Erickson and Dobbs for their supposed "caveman" attitudes tend to always fill up the Megan Kelly posts with their Sexual fantasies over a middle aged news reader?

61 Think about it: Is it actually true that a human being must live entirely for his or her kids, even remaining inside a marriage in which he or she is miserable? Sarah Hoyt had a post about this a while back. (And if you think Ace writes long posts, stay away from AccordingToHoyt). I’m complaining of the fact that not only do we not shun people who offload their responsibilities brought on by their own actions, but we enshrine them as a sort of heroes because they’re living the imperative of “pursuing their happiness” or in the words of the sixties “finding themselves.” This ensures they’re free of “hangups” or “complexes” or “frustrations” or whatever the heck we’re calling it today, and makes them a sort of secular saint. Yes, everyone makes mistakes – but it’s how you deal with the mistakes that makes the difference. They don’t stay in that oh-hum marriage for the sake of the children (Yes, I do recognize reasons for divorce. Among them are “he hit me” and “she was hurting the children” – morally or physically. There are others. We all know marriages where a partner and the kids would be far better off without the other but “it wasn’t fun anymore” is not one of them.) They don’t pretend to be something they’re not for the sake of the children. They don’t volunteer to fight for the sake of the children. They never even consider doing something “for the children.” They do instead insist that society be as a whole brought down to child level: that everyone be insulated from their choices and given everything they need as though we were all toddlers; and that everyone obey the rulers as though they were mommy and daddy. And every time they want to force this on us they scream “do it for the children.” See link in name.

62 It's become increasingly clear that insofar as the GOP retains any traction in the broader electorate outside its base, it's *not* from getting into endless mud fights over social issues.

Predictably, dimwits like Erickson don't get this and insist on hopping back in the mud pit over and over and over again.

It's not that hard to redirect on that question, either.

"40% of mothers are now primary breadwinners. Threat or menace?"

Answer:

"Bravo for those women for shouldering the load. The real shame here is that many men would like to carry more of the household economic burden, but they're not able to. Men disproportionately have careers in manufacturing and in construction, and President Obama's policies have completely decimated those sectors. That's a tragedy at a societal level and at a family level. We need to start talking about how to roll back Obamanomics and get American men back in jobs again."

After that, FYNQ.

63

"is that the libertarian/liberal/libertine message is live for yourself, live for today"

 

This really mischaracterizes most Libertarians.

 

Its not Live for yourself... but it is 'I do not have the wisdom to tell you how to live, and YOU do not have the wisdom to tell ME how to live'.

 

And that Government power is used, to do just that...

 

If YOU wish to do good Acts?  Great!!! We all should... and Kudos to YOU!... but if the Government forces you to do good acts... is it good for YOUR soul?

 

And its also if you wish to Destroy yourself?  Then as we cannot Stop you anyway, why should the Government try?

 

War on Drugs.... prime example... there are just as many drugs available today as when I was a Kid... and the erosion of Civil Rights (no knock Raids and Government Property seizure) which the War on Drugs was used as an excuse for.... has NOT stopped it... and NEVER WILL...

 

I think the best way to describe at least this libertarians view... is that Government should be a Referee... not an entity that tells us how to live (through the tax code).

64 Megan, your colorist called and said, "Get in here! Wazza matter dropping the ball juggling work, family, got no time for your color?"

65

23...why is this an issue?

 

Willow...it's because of that new 'statistic' about how many women are the "Primary Breadwinners" in their family.

 

Megyn Kelly is one of those women, who works outside the home...and makes more than her husband.

She is also pregnant with her 3rd child right now.

 

Erickson should have just thrown himself on her mercy, begged forgiveness, and hoped for the best.

But instead, he doubled down.

 

 

66 I have a great Buttered Pickle recipe.

67 where did I write Buttered Pickles? I know I *intended* to write it at one point but now I can't find where I actually did. It was in a different email.

68 so we've got a family with 2 parents and one is staying home to raise the kids but the problem is the wife is the one with the job? huh?

69 A stupid, gutless conservative completely lacking in media saavy? We got a ton of'em!

70 Is it perhaps a little ironic that the posters criticizing Erickson and Dobbs for their supposed "caveman" attitudes tend toalways fill up the Megan Kelly posts with their Sexual fantasies over a middle aged news reader? Posted by: Nate
.........
And your point is?

71 59 Is it me or is Megyn Kelly swelling up like a Judd?

Posted by: garrett at May 31, 2013 03:15 PM (Ov9U

She's about 7 1/2 months pregnant.

72 I read a really good book on the divorce and effect on childrens, The unexpected legacy of divorce ( http://amzn.to/16wDcxP ) and it was IMO very well done and rang home with me,  who grew up in a single-mother household as a latch-key kid.   Too many think divorce is a good option, but this book shows as far as the kids are concerned, not so much.

73 Good post by Ace that captures the complexity here.

What is not complex is recognizing that Erickson defines mediocrity (which is why they let him represent the right on CNN). 

His whole site is a circle jerk and a shitty advertisement for conservatism.  I mean, RS rises to, like, the bottom rung of lower-middlebrow on a really good day.

74 Not sure how big of a deal this is, 40% stat just shows the shift in the economy towards the service industry where women can last longer in certain positions. Less farmers, less manufacturing, less jobs for men. I also think the ageing of the population can play a role. Men in the military, cops. or firefighters will retire earlier than say public school teachers.

75 I've never understood why social conservatism and libertarianism have to be mutually exclusive.

I grew up as socon as you could get, but I gave up a long time ago thinking the government was the solution to anything.  I wish everybody in the world was a Southern Baptist, but I damn sure don't want the government to make that happen.

76 If a truth is stated that no one wants to hear.......is it still the truth? One need only look at our kids today as opposed to our kids back when mom was at home doing her scientific duty.

77

Frankly    I couldn't care less what women have to say on this issue.    

 

I don't think the question is, "Wow,    when did women become the breadwinners in 40% of households?"     The question SHOULD BE, "What is happening to the men?"  

 

But no one wants to talk about that.   Men don't matter, right? 

 

ARRGH, don't get me started.  This   is one of my pet issues.    Sorry, ladies -- I don't care about you.  I really don't.  And I'm one of you.   I'm sick and tired of being treated like I'm somehow special because I've got two X-chromosomes, while the men can go jump off a cliff because REASONS.   Fuck that. 

78

If I were to put forth a premise such as this and knew that I was going to be on national tv, I'd at  least rehearse my replies  to obvious challenges. 

 

His premise is not  out of bounds.  It needs to be discussed.  But please, whoever decides to bring it up in a venue such as this,  be prepared with some facts and stories.

79 I stopped at "Megyn Kelly." Then I stared at her picture. Then my eyes glazed over. Because, dude, Friday.

80 There's a saying, "fear of the wife leads to prosperity".  


Who's dominating who now?  

81 he's about 7 1/2 months pregnant.

Posted by: Tami at May 31, 2013 03:17 PM (X6akg)

Again?

82 If someone really believes in domination, do not come crying to me when your wife busts your head with a 9-iron. Oops. She dominated you. Marriage is a 50-50 democracy with double veto.

83 15 There's a difference between 'sole' provider and 'primary' provider.
Women earning more than their husbands isn't quite the societal upheaval that children have half the parental care and supervision.
Posted by: zsasz at May 31, 2013 03:07 PM (MMC8r)

Yep - the 40% number includes single mothers raising kids alone along with married couples where say the wife is a doctor and makes more than the husband. These situations are so different it's really impossible to generalize about both.

84 66--- Nice!

85 "...social conservatives' arguments that people should have little to no sex outside of marriage, what is that about?"

Are any of them married?

Who the fuck has sex inside of marriage?

86 >>>. The real shame here is that many men would like to carry more of the household economic burden, but they're not able to. torque, or: "It's a bad thing that fewer women even have the *choice* to remain stay-at-home moms; the horrible unemployment rate, especially among men, is *forcing* women to work who might otherwise prefer to homeschool their kids."

87 " Divorce is such a big thing for parents, too, that I sort of doubt that it's done casually most of the time. " Clearly you've never met my ex sister in law. But seriously, not *everything*is done For The Children, but The Children should be an important factor when contemplating doing something that you know is harmful to them. Obviously there are times when divorce is the best thing for everyone involved, but leaving your family to go star in a commercial in Nashville doesn't qualify.

88 ""My children" will be just fine w/no supporting evidence whatsoever ... " Umm...my children ARE just fine. Better after my divorce, actually. Even better after I got remarried, to a divorcee, who has children. Those children are also fine. Getting good grades, no behavior problems, no criminal record (unless you count the teenager who was pick up by policing for sluffing. Once.) Likelihood is, if divorce is terribly on the children, the marriage would have also been terrible on the children. Because the parents themselves are terrible (and by genetic probability, the children are terrible).

89 Like a lot of things since the 60s, someone has to be the adult and point out the problems that result from the left's libertine approach to everything, so it falls to conservatives to do it.

90 I'll give ya some buttered pickles, ya cheap jew bastard! And you! What are you waitin' for, ya lousy Irish drunk. Here have a potato, I don't know if you people eat em or screw em, but knock yourself out, ya weirdo red-headed creep!

91 Erick stepped in it & he should not have continued it at his blog, which I used to visit every day until last year when they changed login ID etc. I like it better here Ace!

92 Sex with buttered pickles?



uh...nah, I'm not all that fond of pickles, thanks.

93 I raised my 2 sons. I worked at home while my wife worked. I got them up in the morning, got them to school, picked them up, helped them with their homework, took them to the doctor, etc, etcÂ….. I don't think it makes any difference if a man or woman raises the children.

94 Not a fan of Erickson's. He's been a whiny over-emotional douchebag for years.

95

still their are many cases wher divorce is less abusive to the childrens health and welfare than the family staying united.

 

 

Posted by: willow at May 31, 2013 03:12 PM (nqBYe)

 

 

I got divorced when my twins were 1 1/2 years old... and I was granted full custody... they are now 22 and out on their own...

 

THEY have asked me how I ever married their Mom in the first place...

96 Erick Erickson is a dumbass who doesn't have a whole lot of sense of how he sounds to others

He's like the guy from the bullpen who you can count on to blow the game no matter how big the lead

Think of him as the conservative's Doug Sisk or Mitch Williams

97 How many kids does Megyn have?

98

OT a bit but  this reminded me of a recent unsettling feeling that I realized that I was experiencing for quite sometime now.

 

My default frame of reference for women now is that they all hate men and only tolerate us until something better comes along.   I hate that feeling because  it  makes my constant pursuit of women with the goal of finding the right one, seem like a fools errand.

 

I tried to evaluate what has made me come to this position and found that it was not hard to determine.   Today  you have constant reinforcement through various media sources that all women are lesbians deep inside and  that all men are dork faces that can't do anything right.  Also my personal anectdotes of male friends whose wives have filed for divorce because they just aren't in love any more, in other words, bored.   

 

Nothing I can do about it because as they say women have half the money and all of the P.  

99 I really don't know what's so hard about this ( note, I did not watch the video so I'm speaking to the general, not whatever EE was spouting). " well of course I'm not saying that children can't be raised, quite successfully, by single mothers. My wife was a single mother before we married and I adopted our son, and the sacrifices many of the women make for their kids is amazing. What I am saying is, as a general rule, the optimal circumstance for raising happy, well adjusted kids is a two parent household. Optimal isn't possible 100% of the time in the real world, naturally, but it would behoove us as a society to try and create incentives and expectations for both men and women that lead to the optimal circumstances for child rearing in the greatest number of cases." Say that and now you're arguing from the moral high ground. Is this hard? Am I missing something here?

100 I've never understood why social conservatism and libertarianism have to be mutually exclusive. Word. We did much better before the State put its thumb on the scales. Just sayin'.

101

The problem with Megan Kelly's argument is that she is likely the "breadwinner" because her job presents the greater income for the family.

Her complaints aside, the majority of that 40% aren't Megan Kelly's making six figures living in Manhattan.

102 I'm sick and tired of being treated like I'm somehow special because I've got two X-chromosomes, while the men can go jump off a cliff because REASONS. Fuck that.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at May 31, 2013 03:18 PM (4df7R)

That just makes you intellectually honest.

And also hot.

103 Sorry, ladies -- I don't care about you. I really don't. And I'm one of you. I'm sick and tired of being treated like I'm somehow special because I've got two X-chromosomes, while the men can go jump off a cliff because REASONS. Fuck that. That was proven when welfare penalized families if the father was present in the home.

104 She's about 7 1/2 months pregnant.

Erickson's lucky to survive.

105 "Bravo for those women for shouldering the load. The real shame here is that many men would like to carry more of the household economic burden, but they're not able to. Men disproportionately have careers in manufacturing and in construction, and President Obama's policies have completely decimated those sectors. That's a tragedy at a societal level and at a family level. We need to start talking about how to roll back Obamanomics and get American men back in jobs again."

After that, FYNQ.

Posted by: torquewrench at May 31, 2013 03:16 PM (gqT4g)

1000 times this.

106 it is touchy: anything a man wants or does is bad. Everything a woman does is super awesome and you should pay for it. Also funny considering that we've been taught that dad missing suzy's soccer games sends her to the pole but mom being all worky worky is awesome.

107 >>> This really mischaracterizes most Libertarians. yeah i know, I was just trying to shorthand something, and wound up saying it wrong.

108 How many kids does Megyn have?

Posted by: Dr Spank at May 31, 2013 03:21 PM (4cRnj)

Three now, including this one?

109 Stop saying "I mean," young man. It is filler without meaning.

110 Hollowpoint has it right. They included single mothers in this counting of primary breadwinners. Medved refuted this yesterday using the poll data itself. Only 15% of women earn more than their husbands. Up from either 3% or 5% in the 60s.

111 I've never understood why social conservatism and libertarianism have to be mutually exclusive.

I grew up as socon as you could get, but I gave up a long time ago thinking the government was the solution to anything. I wish everybody in the world was a Southern Baptist, but I damn sure don't want the government to make that happen.

Posted by: Bomber

S'Truth.

Employing the power of the State to reinforce or underline one's moral framework will always come back to bite you in the ass, and it is one of the least effective ways of changing behavior.

112

 

She's about 7 1/2 months pregnant.

 

 

Ah, elephantitis of the pregnancy.

113 Four, Megyn Kelly is hot.

114 But then he went a little Anchorman and opined that nature intended men to dominate women in the family sphere -- and that's Science. So I ignored this story hoping it would go away... --- Pretty much my attitude. Did finally tweet a few things this afternoon.

115 Third: One problem I have with this: If you're going to lay down that marker, then don't run away from it when challenged by Megyn Kelly. True. You should both strip nekid to the waist and wrestle.

116 "One wonders if Mr. Erickson is aware of gender dynamics among Praying Mantises, Black Widow Spiders, Lions, etc. I'm not sure how he couldn't be aware of such things, having passed 7th grade science, but those gender dynamics directly contradict his assertion." Are you a Praying Mantis, a black widow, a spider or a lion? Cause if you aren't, the gender dynamics of those species to really apply when talking about your own.

117 That was proven when welfare penalized families if the father was present in the home.

Posted by: rickb223 at May 31, 2013 03:21 PM (NKBxV)

 

This is why, if I could practice a little necromancy, I'd raise LBJ from the grave JUST to have the pleasure of killing him again.

118 Again?

Posted by: EC at May 31, 2013 03:18 PM (GQ8sn)

Yes.....I think her 3rd.

119 From the survey, about 30% of households (so 75% of the 40%) have a single mom who is sole/primary breadwinner. That is the problem, not the 10% of households with a stay-at-home dad.

120 back to tearing up yard.

121 Praying Mantises, Black Widow Spiders, Lions, etc. I'm not sure how he couldn't be aware of such things, having passed 7th grade science, but those gender dynamics directly contradict his assertion.

 

 

Posted by: The Obsidian Owl at May 31, 2013 03:20 PM (tWmgi)

 

Yeah.... because those have sooooo much to do with human behavior...

 

Please disregard the last few thousand years of human history.... as unimportant...

122 "  I hate that feeling because it makes my constant pursuit of women with the goal of finding the right one, seem like a fools errand."  polynikes.....

I'm right there with ya..

123 Hey look, another "Someone DESTROYS Someone" video.


Pass.

124 >>>ay that and now you're arguing from the moral high ground. Is this hard? Am I missing something here? to be honest I think there's some ShockJock Stuff going on here. No one ever went broke by courting controversy.* * Except Lindsay Lohan. And most other people. In fact, most people who court controversy go broke. But still, my point stands, even if untrue.

125 A man pursuing his own goals is a selfish prick asshole dirtbag. A woman pursuing her own goals is a shining example of empowerment. Yaay equality!

126 Erickson should have just thrown himself on her mercy, begged forgiveness, and hoped for the best.
But instead, hedoubled down.

Posted by: wheatie at May 31, 2013 03:16 PM

If you've seen his Tweets, that's how he rolls

Erick can't help himself, the word "obtuse" has his picture next to it in the dictionary

127

Back on topic,  nothing should be discussed in absolutes.   Personally I think its better if the man is the protector / breadwinner and the mother is the child care /homemaker.

 

That doesn't mean that a structure other than that  cannot be successful.   My mother worked full time as did my father.  I was a key latch kid and I think I turned out fine.  Of course your mileage may vary on that opinion.   

128 Megyn Kelly wearing only buttered pickles, prancercizing......

129 My wife works the BIG JOB in the family, I stay at home with the exception of the 3 months out of the year when I work. I want to apologize in advice to Mr. Ericson and all the Asshole SoCons in his corner for when I unleash the highly educated, diciplined and polite little blonde Sailors loose on society. EE is a fucking tool.

130

Erick Erickson.  Another one the right can do without.

 

Name callers in 3-2-1...

131 Let us say, first, that Erickson's "Science!" claim is, at best, silly. Trying to define human activity via "science" is a fool's errand (unless humans don't truly have free will- but that's a different topic). Let us say, second, that this is a touchy topic. I think it is more true than it is false that children do better when they are reared by their own parents instead of (for instance) Head Start and Public Schools. To that end, I do believe one parent should mostly stay at home and be the primary care giver. Note that this hinges on primary care giver, not primary bread winner. In today's society, either can do the latter, but can Dad replace Mom at the hearth? Based solely on my own experience- as a child, now as a parent, and viewing families around me- I would say "no." Dads, in general, simply do not have the necessary temperament to be the primary care giver. To be "Mr. Mom" as it were. Therefore, if it is true that children who have a parent at home who can function as primary care giver are better off than parents who do not, and if it is true that mothers are better primary care givers than fathers, it follows that a mother who chooses to work (full time) outside the home is doing their child a disservice. That has nothing to do with "women don't belong in the work-place" and everything to do with what's best for the kids. Not everyone has the option of making the choice that way, and (this being a Human Activity kind of thing) exceptions will abound. But, as a rule of thumb, I would pick a kid whose mom and dad live together with dad working and mom staying at home as having several "legs up" on the ladder to success.

132 She's about 7 1/2 months pregnant. Erickson's lucky to survive. The extra load slows her down. It's the only reason.

133 Sorry, you lost me right after "smelly pirate hooker".

134

>>>Sex with buttered pickles?

 

Don't knock it till you try it.

135 Is this another movie review like yesterday that ends in all of us squabbling?

136 Yeah so the stat is misleading, like half of marriages end in divorce, as compared to the number of first marriages that end in divorce.

137 Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at May 31, 2013 03:18 PM (4df7R)

Do not watch "Zero Dark Thirty."

It is two+ hours of hectoring about how the presence of female genitalia confers superior strength, resilience, insight and intelligence.

138

A man pursuing his own goals is a selfish prick asshole dirtbag.
A woman pursuing her own goals is a shining example of empowerment.

 

*SEETHE*

 

In my own personal hell, I'd be forced to watch "Eat Pray Love" on a neverending loop. 

 

*ragestroke!*

139 >>> Also funny considering that we've been taught that dad missing suzy's soccer games sends her to the pole but mom being all worky worky is awesome. good point but that may be as part of a compensating thing, given than mom's at work too.

140 Your daily reminder: Megyn Kelly is a hot piece of ass.

141 Four, Megyn Kelly is hot.

Posted by: AndrewsDad at May 31, 2013 03:23 PM (C2//T)

Thanks dad!

142 He should have told Megyn that she plus all the other newsreaders are way overpaid anyway. 

143 She could probably kick his ass.

144

First: One of the biggest problems with social conservatism as far as politics -- as far as the politics of the thing, mind you, not the truth -- is that the libertarian/liberal/libertine message is live for yourself, live for today, and social conservatives are constantly being big buzzkills by saying, "Let's remember the children, huh?"

 

 

 

Eh...not really ace.  You're confusing hedonism (I'll grant you libertinism) with classic political liberalism which is two different things.

Politically speaking you can be socially conservative and still believe that government should get the fuck out of my business. In fact I'd argue this is the heart of social conservatism (that we must return to family units making moral choices.)

The problem comes when it becomes "government must enforce the morals I see as good!"  in that end rabid social conservatism really is just the other side of progressivism.

You burn down an army of strawmen by putting it your way though.  Indeed, "let's remember the children" by handing them a government that is still marginally functional and a country that is not strangled by debt. (Funny that's fiscal conservatism....)

Do you see my point?

145

88...Yep - the 40% number includes single mothers raising kids alone along with married couples where say the wife is a doctor and makes more than the husband. These situations are so different it's really impossible to generalize about both.

 

Posted by: Mætenloch at May 31, 2013 03:19 PM (pAlYe)

 

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Really? ...Well then it is a bullshit statistic.

 

How can they justify including Single Mothers in a statistic about the "biggest breadwinner in a family"...when there is only one parent?

 

Who are they comparing the single mothers' salaries to?

146 That was proven when welfare penalized families if the father was present in the home.

Posted by: rickb223 at May 31, 2013 03:21 PM (NKBxV)

that was a disaster i have often wondered if by design.

They destroyed the family unit   and made dependency  a norm to survive .

147 "sends her to the pole but mom being all worky worky is awesome."

Ace, awesome....  can I use this?

148 Do not watch "Zero Dark Thirty."

It is two+ hours of hectoring about how the presence of female genitalia confers superior strength, resilience, insight and intelligence.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 31, 2013 03:26 PM (O6Tmi)

 

Duly noted.  

 

People wonder why I hate "chick flicks."   This is why.

149 Perhaps, Megan is not the best female to say this too because she's a celebrity and probably able to marry someone rich enough to take care of everything anyway. most single moms produce criminal hellspawn. Also, now that the economy has produced an entire fake economy of HR execs hiring other HR execs and everyone in HR is a lady, there are plenty of moms in HR with fake jobs that pay way too much money. Or college professors which are even faker. The point being, those women with high paying fake jobs also provide themselves with easy hours and daycare. Maybe bread winning mom doesn't hafve to miss so many soccer games.

150 " In my own personal hell, I'd be forced to watch "Eat Pray Love" on a neverending loop. " Wait. You willingly watched it once?

151 I grew up as socon as you could get, but I gave up a long time ago thinking the government was the solution to anything. I wish everybody in the world was a Southern Baptist, but I damn sure don't want the government to make that happen.

This is pretty close to my default framing as well.

You omitted one important thing though: the government also should not be in the business of using our tax dollars to encourage people to butter their pickles.  Progs are *masters* at changing all their newly discovered "civil rights" into something the government Must Pay For Or Else You're A H8r.

152 >> These situations are so different it's really impossible to generalize about both. So impossible that it's foolish to even try ... unless you're Erick Erickson, who apparently likes the feel of stepping on his own dick.

153 A man pursuing his own goals is a selfish prick asshole dirtbag. A woman pursuing her own goals is a shining example of empowerment. Yaay equality! Posted by: Flatbush Joe at May 31, 2013 03:24 PM (ZPrif) Maybe, I was accepted to Marquette law school on the same day I found out my wife was with our first child. 10 hours a day at work and 4 to 6 in the law library did not a good Daddy make. I turned it down. Do I regret it? Not one little bit.

154 80 I've never understood why social conservatism and libertarianism have to be mutually exclusive. For starters: why can't responsible, law-abiding adults smoke a joint after work in the privacy of their own home with no children present? Despite the hysterical rants of those who've never tried it, marijuana is a very mild intoxicant. Three beers will get you more intoxicated than a joint. And the socon argument that it's a "gateway" drug is as absurd as saying that drinking one beer will be a gateway to becoming a whiskeyholic. Conservatism is supposed to mean self-reliance and getting the gubmint out of our lives. Yet the socons want the gubmint telling people what they can and cannot do in the privacy of their own homes. Even if you do subscribe to the argument that marijuana is harmful (and it is FAR less harmful than fully-legal alcohol) it is still only harmful to the person using it. And I haven't even gotten into the billions of wasted dollars in the War on Drugs, and thousands of ruined lives...all over a mild ditch weed. Just giving one example of the SoCon-Libertarian divide.

155 Taking advice on how to live from Megyn Kelly is like taking advice on basketball from Lebron James. It's great, but it's not going to help you because they are genetically superior humans compared to the average person. An average person is better off taking advice from average people achieving moderate success than super-humans achieving mega-success.

156 Well, and this also flows from the fact that we've made just about every job require a college degree--whether it needs it or not.

There is a big f'ing problem with the gender imbalance in our universities--that is leading to lots of problems that we also must pretend aren't problems lest we hurt some poor dear's feelings.

157

"So I ignored this story hoping it would go away... "

 

 

Wait a sec.... is this really Ace???  or did someone in the MSM slip him one of those Wrath of Khan Earworms?

158 "The JEF was raised by a single mom"

Well, no, he wasn't.

His mom, a typical selfish 1960s hippie flake, took off on a solipsistic quest to "find herself" and get an anthropology degree focusing on Turd World leftist crap, ignoring her kid. The young Obama was essentially raised by his grandparents.

And Obama did have a father figure in his life for most of his childhood. That was (cough) family friend (cough) Frank Marshall Davis. Who may well have been more than merely a father "figure".

159 okay I was wrong to say "libertarian" so I changed the thing to "hedonisitic."

160 He should have told Megyn that she plus all the other newsreaders are way overpaid anyway. Posted by: polynikes at May 31, 2013 03:26 PM (m2CN7) She would have kicked his fat ass.

161 as for the larger picture, what does it all mean. Celebrity moms have it easy, are not role models for you.

162

I think it is wrong to assume unemployed women make better mothers. Like obviously. I have seen unemployed parents blowing aid money on Lotto and 12 packs where neither could be bothered to parent despite having 24-7 to do so.

 

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My Mom was a "stay at home" mother, and let my Dad be the sole breadwinner.  She gets *very* upset if someone says that she was unemployed.  She was a "home maker", and for her it was a full-time job.

 

163 >>>Wait a sec.... is this really Ace??? or did someone in the MSM slip him one of those Wrath of Khan Earworms? sometimes I don't feel like a big fight.

164
heheh, Howie Carr is playing the CNN clip with the two nitwits saying "the American people are saying 'the heck with the scandals,' let's focus on the economy"

165 ok, yeah out to the yard.

for real.

166 One wonders if Mr. Erickson is aware of gender dynamics among Praying Mantises, Black Widow Spiders, Lions, etc. I'm not sure how he couldn't be aware of such things, having passed 7th grade science, but those gender dynamics directly contradict his assertion.

It was just a stupid, stupid place to take the topic of discussion.

Posted by: The Obsidian Owl at May 31, 2013 03:20 PM (tWmgi)

 

 

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Wow.   Sounds like  the public school system has versed you well in relativism. 

 

Please get a clue.  People are not spiders, or cats, or dogs. 

167 Megyn's husband is an author and I think before that he worked on Wall St.  I couldn't say with certainty that she makes more than him.  Possibly not.

168 " sex is just buttered pickles "

Wha????

169 Well, it's Friday afternoon, so I did a dump.

170 >> But still, my point stands, even if untrue. Science!

171 Erick is intellectually dopey and has been for some time. He makes seemingly sonorous appeals and then blurts out some confusing, contra-intellectual postscript.

I've never met anyone who is so conflicted on these issues. To the point it makes him appear disingenuous.  In retort, you want to ask- "gee, tell me what you really think".

It's the liberal modus operandi- only from the Right perspective. It's an anomaly. An extreme.

The sad part is people listen to Erick mostly without intellectual intervention. They identify him as some type of quintessential "conservative". Bull-dinky. He's the reason we never make any progress and the minute we find compromise (oh, there is that dirty word which has under-girded our politics since the Continental Congress) that inches us forward, he is looking for the Establishment Bogeyman.

I'm a little tired of people who are self-anointed "leaders". They are not. No person holds the political Rosetta Stone, nor have they or will they. Until we learn to work as a single party and compromise amongst ourselves, enjoy the forest view.

/rant

172 I have stopped watching FNC because almost every day One show has Juan Williams or Geraldo on for opinions.

173 No one ever went broke by courting controversy.*

* Except Lindsay Lohan. And most other people. In fact, most people who court controversy go broke. But still, my point stands, even if untrue.

Posted by: ace
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Ye gads, Ace. The footnotes/references would run to pages. I'm wondering who the most successful (recent) controversy-courter would be? My money is on Al Sharpton, but it would be foolish to discount Jesse Jackson, though his star has faded.

174 cashing a welfare check funded by some single male taxpayer isn't what I'd call being a breadwinner.

175 The problem comes when it becomes "government must enforce the morals I see as good!" in that end rabid social conservatism really is just the other side of progressivism.

Posted by: tsrblke at May 31, 2013 03:27 PM (GaqMa)

Fuckin' A!

Well put.

176 I'm a stay-at-home dad.

Frankly, our kids have impairments and disabilities that having a stay-at-home parent for is infinitely preferable to two part-time commuters, and, given she's a manic type-A with the degrees and winning attitude vs. me who is the absolute opposite, there's really no other decision.  She can earn twice as much as I can and there's no reason to pretend different.

177 How can they justify including Single Mothers in a statistic about the "biggest breadwinner in a family"...when there is only one parent?

Who are they comparing the single mothers' salaries to?

Posted by: wheatie at May 31, 2013 03:27 PM (CnFRK)

They're lumping them together. The articles would more clearly be titled something like "30% of households now headed by a single mom"

178 This also highlights the stupidity of most debates on TV. Most everyone on TV is super-rich because they are a famous person on TV. So policies and habits that are terrible for average people aren't that harmful to them cause they are rich, famous -- and usually smarter, better-looking, harder-working, stronger, and healthier than an average human. It's stupid that all big issues are filtered through what the top .1% feel about it.

179 I'm sure Megyn's kids will be fine since she and her husband are rich and can afford the best schools and daycare, but most women are not in her situation which is the point those 2 idiots were trying to make, I think.

180

"I think this argument illustrates the ever-present tension that exists between personal fulfillment and what's best for children. "

 

It is also the tension between instant and delayed gratification, between being irresponsible and being responsible, between living life like it is a beer commercial and growing up.

 

It is real easy to say that someone can be irresponsible as much as he or she wants, just don't make someone else take responsibility.  The reality is that a lot of irresponsible behavior inflicts a lot of collateral damage on people who were not initially involved but now have to manage the mess.

How that squares with the  popular idea of the  libertarian message is difficult, because some responsible person is always, always, always going to have to step up.*

 

*Some people understand the libertarian message is actually one of great responsibility.  I am refering to those who think it means smoking pot and doing whatever you want, when, where, and how you want.

181 Is this the guy with that shitty Red State Blog ?

182 I see that I answered a different issue than was being raised, but my point still stands when the question is single parents vs traditional two parent homes.

183 Biology and human nature are sexist and misogynistic or something. I'm thinking Ms. Kelly with two little toddlers and a bun-in-the-oven has a very vested interest in this debate. How much time does she get to spend with her babies? She's angry all right. But I think her anger is misdirected. I could be wrong (I'm not.)

184

yeah it's a real question and it's so huge it goes outside of politics.

Think about it: Is it actually true that a human being must live entirely for his or her kids, even remaining inside a marriage in which he or she is miserable?

 

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That's  a cheap-shit, false-choice, sloppy-assed, transparently insulting rhetorical device.  Unsurprising that Erickson has chosen it, as he is one unimpressive  debater.

 

OF COURSE you don't live *entirely* for your children.  Everything must be done in balance.  What if you have multiple children?  You can't live *entirely* for all of them, or it wouldn't fucking be ENTIRE, now would it?

 

But  he either can't be honest  because  it's a short segment and it's more important to think you're scoring points of Megyn Kelly, who is clearly his superior in every way, or he's just  that fucking stupid because he  gets his  ideas from TV.

 

In a family of six, I have five relationships to maintain as well as making  sure that I remember to take time for myself.  When you let things get out of balance, you suffer.  You get out of shape.  Your relationship with your wife suffers.  One of your  kids are hurt  because you haven't done something with  *just them*  in a while.

 

But who the hell  wants  to do a segment about how to have a happy, well-adjusted two-parent family?  It's more entertaining to watch Erick Erickson run his fat, sloppy cocksocket, I guess.

 

And who eats buttered pickles?  That doesn't sound good. 

185 still their are many cases wher divorce is less abusive to the childrens health and welfare than the family staying united.

Posted by: willow at May 31, 2013 03:12 PM (nqBYe)

This.  The happiest day of my miserable childhood was the day my parents got a divorce.  A quiet household with one parent was far preferable to the non-stop screaming with two.  (Though it didn't last long...Mom remarried and proceeded to fuck up another husband and two more kids.)

Anecdotally, my mother was a stay-at-home with five kids.  She was miserable and she made damn sure everyone around her was miserable too.  She wanted to be back at the paper, reporting on local happenings instead of cleaning house and shagging kids. 

You'll never settle this argument, ace, because it's invalid to begin with.  Cause/effect has not been proven and never will be.

186 The Right creates rules which exclude five people so that ninetyfive people can live stable lives. The Left creates rules for precisely those five people, which the ninetyfive must accommodate at the least. Usually what happens is that the five people go on fearing and resenting the ninetyfive. And now the five people have the whip hand.

187 The fact that Ms. Kelly is on live tv and not topless is  the real  crime.

188 158 >> These situations are so different it's really impossible to generalize about both.

So impossible that it's foolish to even try ... unless you're Erick Erickson, who apparently likes the feel of stepping on his own dick.
Posted by: Andy at May 31, 2013 03:28 PM (fPLno)

And that's why Erickson was a double idiot: He was wrong on the 'science' and he was a fool to take on such an ill-defined statistic.

189 I'm sure Megyn's kids will be fine since she and her husband are rich and can afford the best schools and daycare, but most women are not in her situation which is the point those 2 idiots were trying to make, I think. Posted by: Dr Spank at May 31, 2013 03:32 PM (4cRnj) I'm not rich, and they are wrong.

190 People are not spiders, or cats, or dogs. People are not potatoes.

191 After the FoxNews makeup team does its thing this is how a harridan looks.

192 And getting paid as a commentator means by nature you are wedded to stirring controversy.

Name for me a TV "commentator" who ever did a single thing to advance the Republican Party. I can think of perhaps one.

193

88...Yep - the 40% number includes single mothers raising kids alone along with married couples where say the wife is a doctor and makes more than the husband. These situations are so different it's really impossible to generalize about both.

Posted by: Mætenloch at May 31, 2013 03:19 PM (pAlYe)

 

What it means is that there are a shitload of single-mother households    with only one     breadwinner,   and a smaller portion of   two-parent households where the mother makes more money than the father.

 

(Note, however, that there's no discussion of single FATHER households, because again, fuck the men.   *RAGESTROKE*)

 

So    I ask once more:  where are the men?  And why aren't they there?      Anybody out there in libby land care to talk about that?   And I don't mean talk about it in terms of how their absence affects the children     (answer: badly) or,   God forbid, how it affects    women (everything is not about women!!),  but how their absence affects     MEN THEMSELVES.   

 

There are men out there who are miserable because they    have no direction,  no attainable goals, and are constantly fed a stream of media bullshit that tells them they are hapless imbeciles     who can never hope to      reach the pinnacle of superiority    that women      allegedly     inhabit.       If that doesn't make you furious, you're not paying    close enough attention.

194 My mom worked as a court reporter when I was a kid.  Everything worked out fine.  In fact, I haven't had premarital sex in a long time.  Too long.  As for gay parents, I think what some on the social right are really afraid of is that children of gay parents are going to have better appreciation for the arts and literature than those of hetero parents.

195 Sex outside of marriage will lead, inevitably, to two things:

1. Pregnancies terminated by abortions.

2. Pregnancies carried through to term with a child now born into a single-parent family.

 

and 3.  Getting hit in the head with a frying pan by your wife.

196 Robert Downey Jr life of drugs and sex made him perfect for Iron Man and he's a mega-star now so ... crazy sex and drugs hedonism is not bad for you at all and kids from families making $40k a year should be fine living like Downey.

197 158 >> These situations are so different it's really impossible to generalize about both.

So impossible that it's foolish to even try ... unless you're Erick Erickson, who apparently likes the feel of stepping on his own dick.
Posted by: Andy at May 31, 2013 03:28 PM (fPLno)

And that's why Erickson was a double idiot: He was wrong on the 'science' and he was a fool to take on such an ill-defined statistic.

Posted by: Mætenloch at May 31, 2013 03:33 PM (pAlYe)

 

He constantly makes arguments that are obtuse and pointless, did I mention his blog sucks too ?

198 Well, it's Friday afternoon, so I did a dump.

So did I, all over that cop car!

199 Harridan - a scolding, vicious woman

200 Posted by: BlueStateRebel at May 31, 2013 03:28 PM (7ObY1)

That's a broad brush there.  Like I said, I'm way out on the socon side of things, but that's my personal choice.  I choose not to partake in any drugs (well, alcohol), but I don't care what you do.  As long as you don't ask me to pay for it.  If it was up to me the govt would stay out of that decision too.

201 Lions are a rotten example if you're looking for female equality proof texts. The reason lionesses do most of the hunting is that the alpha lion makes them do it. Hyenas are a better example. Maybe the solitary hunters / omnivores like bears and tigers.

202 Well apparently, Dobbs and Erickson have lost sight of the principle of freedom of religion as it pertains to living your family and personal life in the manner which you choose, but having said that; he is right when he points to the unwillingness of many to accept the responsibilities that come with indiscriminant sex. The result is that someone pays the price and the rest of us have to pick up that slack.

203 "...social conservatives are constantly being big buzzkills by saying, "Let's remember the children, huh?" If you look at the abortion debate..." -- I may be misinterpreting what ace is saying here, but it's my fervent wish that someday he won't see the pro-life/anti-abortion position in terms of social conservatism. It's really a human rights issue. I realize some pro-lifers incorporate religious language into their arguments, but ultimately I hope this is still a country in which the right to life transcends a belief in God.

204 Wait. You willingly watched it once?

Posted by: Lauren at May 31, 2013 03:28 PM (wsGWu)

 

Oh hell no!

205 Robert Downey Jr life of drugs and sex made him perfect for Iron Man and he's a mega-star now so ... crazy sex and drugs hedonism is not bad for you at all and kids from families making $40k a year should be fine living like Downey. Well, there was also the stints in prison and rehab.

206

174 Megyn's husband is an author and I think before that he worked on Wall St. I couldn't say with certainty that she makes more than him. Possibly not.

 

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They sort of alluded to it, Tami...in a joking way...one time, when he was on her show.

 

207 Hey, I know somebody who did heroin and they turned out fine -- so heroin is not bad for you. Stop being such prudes you socon prudey prudes.

208

With respect, this is not a tough issue.

Used to be a "household" income meant what the man made.  Now both parents have to work to maintain a somewhat similar lifestyle to days gone by.

 

Is it good for strangers/nonparents to be home for the kids.  Or is it better for a parent to always be at home and available for the kids.

 

And is the mom or dad the better stay at home person.  It really is that fucking simple.

209 >> I've simply provided enough evidence to the contrary that would warrant Erickson having data of his own. I'm honestly surprised he didn't cite the great scientist and shipbuilder, Noah.

210 You know what I'm really tired of seeing? I'm tired of seeing people smiling as they're getting their asses kicked up and down the studio on a show like this.

Megyn Kelly cuts these jackasses's balls off, and they sit there smiling as though their balls are still attached.

Just for once I'd like to see one of these guys break down and say "oof" or start crying or just sit there in stunned silence, realizing how stupid they look.

I'd pay for that.

211

Okay, I know this is so OT, and forgive me for derailing this thread, but I have to vent: 

 

I had an employee who physically attacked me in my office last October and who I fired on the spot.  Then she had the audacity to file for unemployment benefits AND got them.  I have filed written protests online, by snail mail, and fax, with no response. 

 

Today I received a notice from the state of Florida stating my unemployment rate is doubling, beginning July 1, and will remain doubled for 3 years. 

 

I called the Tallahassee office, and they said,  sorry - even though I filed my initial protest online back in October, they "missed" it.  They did get my faxed protest from April, and forwarded it to the Ft Lauderdale adjudication office May 6th.  But that doesn't matter:  the doubled rate goes into effect July 1 unless Fort Lauderdale rescinds it.  And if they resolve the case later, I can always file an amended return and request a refund.  Of course I called Fort Lauderdale today and of course none of the 3 names I was given by Tallahassee answered their extensions. 

 

As I wrote in my new protest letter today, “unless a physical assault on your employer is now grounds for receiving reemployment benefits and doubling the rate of the individual who was attacked, there is no earthly reason for this claimant to collect them OR for this rate increase.”   

 

Although I'm in a big executive office building and other people witnessed the attack, I'm berating myself for not contacting the police at the time. I could have shut down this whole thing very quickly and made this former employee pay back the $ she essentially stole from the state.

 

What makes this story even more pathetic?  This former employee and assailant is my sister – who always claimed she was a big conservative and would never take a handout from the government.

 

Like IÂ’ve said to my husband – you canÂ’t make this shit up. 

212 2 Yeah...I watched that.

Can we buy Erickson a clue?

Posted by: wheatie at May 31, 2013 03:02 PM (CnFRK)

He wouldn't know what to do with it, but I'm sure he'd be happy for you to donate.

Mew

213 " but it's my fervent wish that someday he won't see the pro-life/anti-abortion position in terms of social conservatism. It's really a human rights issue. " X1000

214 Megan Kelly is a RINO cunt.

To hell with her and her feminazi narcissistic empowerment bullshit.

215 Prudey prudes are prudishly prudey prudes. It's Science!

216

Posted by: torquewrench at May 31, 2013 03:28 PM (gqT4g)

 

He was adopted at 5, and raised in Indonesia in a Two Parent household until 9?

 

Then went to Hawaii where he was raised by his Grandparents... again in a two adult household....

 

Not a poster child for 'raised by a single Mom' IMO....

217

People don't want to sacrifice for anything.  Not even children. 

 

My parents were willing to sacrifice everything for us and, on some occasions, did.  I have no doubt that if one of us had become  disabled by sickness or accident, my parents would have sacrificed all of their worldly  wants in order to make our lives better.

 

My mom was a registered nurse  with a bright future.  When  she had children,  she accepted that was, at that point, her  primary responsibility. 

 

 

218 Some thoughts:

1: I, too, believe in the traditional Mom stays home and Dad works, but in Daughter's case son-in-law really is the better stay at home parent. That isn't usually true, but in this case it really is (Daughter used to say if she got the maternal instinct she would borrow one of her brothers kids till she got over it).


2: Spelling her name Souxie is more likely to drive her to the pole than Dad missing soccer games IMNSHO, but to each his/her own.


3: The more MWR says the hotter she becomes. Pretty soon she will melt through the earth's crust and go all the way down to its core.

219

Didn't read all the comments. I'd like our side to focus on the deliberate feminizing of men, the abuse they take in our schools simply for being boys (overmedicated, attacked for toy guns, competitiveness etc...) and the fact that the legal system fucks over men regularly in the areas of divorce and child support.

I'd also like to note that boys are falling behind in education and no one give a shit. Because #fairness, I guess.

220 Erick  makes me long for the days of Ben Domenech.

221

And Obama did have a father figure in his life for most of his childhood. That was (cough) family friend (cough) Frank Marshall Davis. Who may well have been more than merely a father "figure".

 

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There was also Obama's step-father in Indonesia.  But based on what I've heard, apparently Mom realized that little Barry was bonding too well with Step-Dad, and the latter was starting to adopt some of the positions that Mom hated, and she sent little Barry back to the States.

 

222 59 Is it me or is Megyn Kelly swelling up like a Judd? Posted by: garrett at May 31, 2013 03:15 PM (Ov9U

Well something is swelling up....

223  My mom worked as a court reporter when I was a kid. Everything worked out fine. In fact, I haven't had premarital sex in a long time. Too long. As for gay parents, I think what some on the social right are really afraid of is that children of gay parents are going to have better appreciation for the arts and literature than those of hetero parents.

Posted by: SFGoth at May 31, 2013 03:34 PM (dZ756)

 

Stupid, stupid, stupid. Really, better appreciation for the arts and literature ? Becuase gay people are superior in the arts and literature. Listen to yourself.

What about retarded parents, what will their kids be better at  ? 

224 If my mom were Megyn Kelly, that would be awesome! Think of the benefits! Go on, I know what you're thinking.

And I could make as many poptart guns at school as I wanted, and no one would mess with me.

225 Wow. Sounds like the public school system has versed you well in relativism.
Please get a clue. People are not spiders, or cats, or dogs.
Posted by: Soona at May 31, 2013 03:30 PM (TqtU4)

Actually go tell Erickson that since he was arguing that science and Nature say that the male should be dominant.

226 I hate that entire line of argument.

When a study shows that doing X means you're Y% more likely to have bad outcome Z happen, every idiot who did X just has to show up with "OH YEAH WELL UR WRONG CUZ I DID X AND Z DIDN'T HAPPEN SO THERE".

It's disappointing that Megyn played it this way.

227 If your going to get slapped around by a girl, Megan Kelly's a good choice.

228 I'm not a big fan of either of these three so it's more popcorn curiosity then taking a side. I will point out though that Erickson thought Perry wasn't good enough. He also has the looks and voice of someone who should NOT be on TV.

229 It terrible fire in Houston. Several missing fire fighters. Video of firefighter on gurney getting CPR, banging on chest. Hotel roof collapsed. Suspicious fire. Pray

230 I'm berating myself for not contacting the police at the time. I could have shut down this whole thing very quickly and made this former employee pay back the $ she essentially stole from the state. Yep, that was your FKUP Marybeth. Now you have to eat it.

231

I happened to drive through a ghetto area of North Philly last night on the way to a concert.  Noticed in a short drive FOUR very large, institutional-looking daycare centers, all run by the same outfit.   I mean these places were huge.  Made me sad.  All those babies being warehoused in those places because their baby daddies are probably either dead or in prison. 

 

Then I watched "Nightline" last night, which just happened to be about Strawberry Mansion High School, also in a ghetto area of Philly,  which is considered one of the most dangerous high schools in the US.  Has a very dedicated principal and some really great and courageous teachers.  But when they had back-to-school night, when parents are supposed to come and meet their kids' teachers and learn about what their kids are studying, nobody came.

 

And then we wonder why there are shootings and robberies and rapes on the news every single night.  Thousands and thousands of young people are out on the streets of our cities, with no family to govern or support them and no education and no job and no self-respect.  And liberals think some bullshit called the Common Core is going to fix everything in our schools.  It's the PARENTS that need fixing!

 

Anyone who cannot see what we are doing to ourselves is just willfully blind.

232 And who eats buttered pickles? That doesn't sound good.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at May 31, 2013 03:32 PM (CJjw5)

Fried pickles, on the other hand, are ambrosia.

233 I'm not rich, and they are wrong.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at May 31, 2013 03:33 PM (XIxXP)

Two parent homes are obviously a healthier place to raise children. Who is the breadwinner is secondary to the presence of a mother and father.

234 By the way, I was done with Megyn Kelly after the last election. She really showed her true stripes.

So when the bus comes for Erick and Co., she can get on it too.

235 215 Hey, I know somebody who did heroin and they turned out fine -- so heroin is not bad for you. Stop being such prudes you socon prudey prudes. Posted by: Flatbush Joe
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Big deal. I know of a murderer who is now a professor at Columbia..., actually there are many such. See? We should encourage such behavior...

236

Any headline that has

Dominate

 

and

 

Megyn Kelly

 

in it is going to get my instant and undivided attention.  Imagine my disappointment...

237

>>>>216 With respect, this is not a tough issue.
Used to be a "household" income meant what the man made. Now both parents have to work to maintain a somewhat similar lifestyle to days gone by.

 

Exactly. And it's by design.

238 Erickson is a douchenozzle who had no business being in the presence of this woman. 

239
This former employee and assailant is my sister

yikes

240 Just giving one example of the SoCon-Libertarian divide.

The old "scratch a libertarian, get a rant about pot" saw still cuts sharply, I see.

Banning marijuana is not a socon thing, it's a statist thing.  (As far as I'm aware, the Bible has nothing to say on the subject, but the Koran does).  Barack Obama, who is nobody sane's idea of a socon (oh hai Andrew Sullivan), has prosecuted an order of magnitude more pot users and growers than evil KKKristian George W. Bush.

This is an important data point for my grand unified theory that progs are mostly rich people trying to pull up the ladder after themselves.  Even the Choom Gang noticed that tendency with Barack.

241 Actually go tell Erickson that since he was arguing that science and Nature say that the male should be dominant.
Posted by: Mætenloch


Are you saying men aren't physically dominant? Have you seen the WNBA?

242 OT:  Finally, someone is looking out for me.

http://www.myfoxny.com/story/22466841/hands-free-whopper

243 Fried Pickles are disgusting.

244 People are stupid and don't understand statistics or probability. Bad life decisions worsen your odds. So does smoking. Some dude who lives to 100 while smoking doesn't disprove that smoking is bad for you. People are innumerate and retarded.

245 "Actually go tell Erickson that since he was arguing that science and Nature say that the male should be dominant."

Erickson couldn't dominate a thirteen year old girl, wtf is he blathering on about?

246 242 By the way, I was done with Megyn Kelly after the last election. She really showed her true stripes.

How did she show her true stripes?

247

afraid of is that children of gay parents are going to have better appreciation for the arts and literature than those of hetero parents.

 

Posted by: SFGoth at May 31, 2013 03:34 PM (dZ756)

 

 

 

Wow.... stereotype much?

248

As for gay parents, I think what some on the social right are really afraid of is that children of gay parents are going to have better appreciation for the arts and literature than those of hetero parents.

 

Posted by: SFGoth at May 31, 2013 03:34 PM (dZ756)

 

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Yes.  That's  exactly it.  I want all children to be as uncultured  and lowbrow as I am, not fabulous, witty  and urbane like Teh Gheyz.

249 Two parent homes heterosexual are obviously a healthier place to raise children. Who is the breadwinner is secondary to the presence of a mother and father.


Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo
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Just putting a point on it...

250 >>>> I may be misinterpreting what ace is saying here, but it's my fervent wish that someday he won't see the pro-life/anti-abortion position in terms of social conservatism. It's really a human rights issue. I realize some pro-lifers incorporate religious language into their arguments, but ultimately I hope this is still a country in which the right to life transcends a belief in God.


Yep.  Life, liberty, pursuit of happiness.  Applies to all.

251 They sort of alluded to it, Tami...in a joking way...one time, when he was on her show. If he's an author, it's possible her income is simply more reliable. But, as others have suggested- what's good for the goose may be good for the gander, but what's good for the goose is almost never good for the fish. Megyn Kelley is rich. She is so rich, that her understanding of how life for the vast majority of Americans works is vastly skewed. She can afford not only the best daycare, but at home tutors and/or a nanny. I doubt she's having to rush off at 6AM to drop her kid off at day care, and then hope there are no wrecks during afternoon rush hour lest she get charged $5/minute she's late picking the little tyke up. Just as Erickson is an idiot for claiming his views are at all "proven" by Science!, Megyn is out-of-touch if she believes that in general it makes no difference if Mom stays home with the kids.

252 "And the socon argument that [weed is] a 'gateway' drug is as absurd as saying that drinking one beer will be a gateway to becoming a whiskeyholic."

Except that for certain people, and I have several examples from people close to me during my own life, drinking one beer WAS a gateway to becoming a whiskeyholic.

And except that for for certain people, and I have several examples from people close to me during my own life, smoking one joint WAS a gateway to becoming a full scale hard-drug addict and loser.

I have drunk beers. I have smoked weed. I experienced a gateway effect from neither. Most people don't. That some people do, though, is inescapable and indisputable.

A guy I knew in high school was a sober, serious, accomplished student. He smoked weed one weekend to unwind from a heavy load of AP courses and test prep. That started a steady, smooth downhill slide to where he was a horrifying homeless mess. Sucking scary old guys' cocks in dirty alleys in order to buy crack. He eventually got clean and he says specifically that weed really was the thing that tipped him into regular drug abuse and he wishes to this day he'd never tried it.

Prohibition of drugs and/or alcohol is a heavy-handed brute force policy. Such policies always have unpleasant second-order effects. The nation tried alcohol prohibition at one time and decided that the unpleasant second-order effects were just too much compared to the benefits, and repealed the thing.

But let us not pretend that lack of prohibition does not also have unpleasant second-order effects. Including that, in a world with legal and available alcohol or legal drugs, some susceptible individuals WILL experience a "gateway" phenomenon from either or both, and those individuals may end up with damaged or destroyed lives. Prohibitionist policies reduce the numbers of such afflicted persons. But with other bad numbers going up in their stead.

There is no magic policy set which produces health and happiness for everyone with no downside. There are always unavoidable, unpleasant tradeoffs of various kinds. Recognizing this is an important part of being an educated adult. Insisting that the magic policy set exists is best left to 20-year-olds in college dorm room bull sessions.

253 This thread pretty much exactly illustrates the problem. Nobody analyzed the evidence. They just looked at the anecdotal evidence in their own life and got offended if they thought the evidence might make them feel bad.

254

Btw, citing psychological studies as "science" is a joke.

 

Homos were a mental disorder 40 years ago according to these "scientists."

255 Actually go tell Erickson that since he was arguing that science and Nature say that the male should be dominant.

Posted by: Mætenloch at May 31, 2013 03:38 PM (pAlYe)

 

In the case of humans  he was  absolutely  correct.   Testeterone  and Estrogen are the science behind dominant behavior or  lack thereof.

256 I think it's all Heather's fault.

257 Stupid, stupid, stupid. Really, better appreciation for thearts and literature ? Becuase gay people are superior in the arts and literature. Listen to yourself.
What about retarded parents, what will their kids be better at ? Posted by: The Jackhole

Yes, dude.  How many single, straight men, not on a date, do you see at the ballet, the opera, etc.? 

258

Fried pickles, on the other hand, are ambrosia.

 

Posted by: joncelli at May 31, 2013 03:40 PM (RD7QR)

 

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I disagree.  I tried some at Buffalo Wild Wings and the taste was reminiscent of a skunk shitting on  a hobo's socks.  Different strokes, I guess.

259 Anecdotes are not data.

260 Yes, because Megyn Kelly is the quintessential American mom. Seven figure salary and all :-/

261 Better appreciation for Arts and Literature and/or a 5000% increase in the chance that they suck cock at a highway rest stop for their "first date".

262 There is no doubt that doing so is the "right thing" to do (if it's better for the kids). There's no doubt that a sort of heroism attaches to such selflessnes. But should our goal be the heroic, as a routine expectation of average people? ****************** De-lurking for a minute. I don't think this is about being a hero so much as about being a decent human being who is concerned for the well being, physically and emotionally, of your own children. Doing what you want because you want it, regardless of whether or not it is best for your children (who have no choice in the matter of their situation, upbringing, or existence), is selfish and fails the extremely basic "Do what you want so long as it doesn't harm anyone else" test most folks seem to subscribe to, especially those of the more doctrinaire libertarian mindset. Now look, I agree very generally with Erickson's underlying premise that two parent, heterosexual households raising children with one parent at home, preferably the mother, is going to be the best situation the vast majority of the time. But I think the way Erickson chose to try and express that sentiment was hella retarded. I will admit my bias. I am a stay-at-home mother. I have two children (6 and 3), the oldest of which I homeschool. My husband is the sole breadwinner for our family and I am the caregiver, chef, maid, etc and so on. It works very well for us and I think a lot of that has to do with the fact that I don't give a shit about the societal pressure on women to do base my entire worth on the career thing and am perfectly content in my role as wife and mother. I do not think that people who do otherwise are bad people or horrible parents. I do think that at this particular point in time the nature of our society it makes it very difficult for people to survive in a one income household and that our children do suffer for it. And from my own observations amongst my lower-to-middle of the middle-class circle is that the parents in two income households- regardless of whether or not that situation is so out of necessity or choice- have less to give their children in the way of time and attention and that it does take its toll. And something I think maybe people who run in more affluent circles who can afford family nannies and maids and such miss is that while they can have their nice, fulfilling career during the day and come home to a clean house and wind down with their well taken care of children (all of which they pay for) the vast majority of the rest of us do not have that luxury. It's all well and good for Megyn Kelly to be offended at this article when she is well-off enough that she can pay someone else to do the work at home so she doesn't face the consequences of her career. But the reality for those in the lower socio-economic range. (Engage lurk mode)

263
Posted by: SFGoth at May 31, 2013 03:34 PM (dZ756)

What about children of lesbians?  Won't they have an advantage in motorcycle repair and professional tennis?

264 Please make Strife a co blogger! He's doing better than I ever could to make the Right look like heretic hunting woman hating scolds.

265 I think I speak for all of the morons when I say, less Megyn Kelly, moar topless Mexican  anchorette.

266 Have you seen the WNBA?

Based on the ratings and attendance, nobody has.

267 Two parent homes are obviously a healthier place to raise children. Who is the breadwinner is secondary to the presence of a mother and father.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 31, 2013 03:40 PM (O6Tmi)

HOMOPHOBE!!!!!!

268 Anecdotes are not data.

I heard this one guy proved it was.

269 Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at May 31, 2013 03:28 PM (XIxXP)


Good choice! A child with a lawyer for a parent already has three strikes against them!

270 254 afraid of is that children of gay parents are going to have better appreciation for the arts and literature than those of hetero parents.

Posted by: SFGoth at May 31, 2013 03:34 PM (dZ756)

Wow.... stereotype much? Posted by: Romeo13
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A little, but much less than society in general. 

271 I'd also like to note that boys are falling behind in education and no one gives a shit. Because #fairness, I guess.

Posted by: Warden at May 31, 2013 03:38 PM (HzhBE)

 

This is a    point I always try to make.     Yo look at the    math and reading and science statistics for girls vs. boys, and while they suck on both sides, any drops or improvements on the girls' side are treated as big news, while on the boys' side such things are dismissed as, "Oh, that's just the boys."

 

You look at    morbidity and mortality statistics.    You see that men are far   more likely to successfully commit suicide, while womena re more likely to attempt it,   and yet it is the    LATTER that gets the HHS crowd in a tizzy.   It's just accepted as okay that men kill themselves   more than women, and usually more violently; cuz they're men.

 

Violent crime - more often committed by men.       Prison terms -- longer    for men.      Recidivism --  men again!    But none of that matters,   because they're men.    It's the poor WOMEN who have been FORCED into the correctional system who we should focus on.   THEY'RE the only ones worthy of being saved.

 

Scuse me, I've got to go have an epileptic fit of uncensored, frothing profanity in the parking lot.

272 I disagree. I tried some at Buffalo Wild Wings and the taste was reminiscent of a skunk shitting on a hobo's socks. Different strokes, I guess. Posted by: Empire of Jeff

I'll take your word on the comparison, but the problem was that you got them from BWW.

273 This is part of the problem. The average American takes life advice from rich famous people whose lives are radically different from theirs. This is especially damaging to lower-class people.

274

Yep. Life, liberty, pursuit of happiness. Applies to all.

 

 

Posted by: Bomber at May 31, 2013 03:42 PM (AkdCZ)

 

 

Yep... Anti Abortion Libertarian here.... because that fetus is a PERSON... and your Rights stop when it hurts someone else...

275 >>Posted by: Mandy P., lurking lurker who lurks at May 31, 2013 03:45 PM Good comment.

276 "OH YEAH WELL UR WRONG CUZ I DID X AND Z DIDN'T HAPPEN SO THERE".

***

Dear Penthouse Forum:

I never thought that it would happen to me but I did X and Z happened.

277 By the way, what idiot thought After Earth was a good movie idea? Speaking of Biblical intonations, they should stone that person.

278 "Smelly Pirate Hooker"?

279 262 Actually go tell Erickson that since he was arguing that science and Nature say that the male should be dominant.
Posted by: Mætenloch at May 31, 2013 03:38 PM (pAlYe)

In the case of humans he was absolutely correct. Testeterone and Estrogen are the science behind dominant behavior or lack thereof.

Posted by: polynikes at May 31, 2013 03:44 PM (m2CN7)

But he was claiming that this was true across nature in general which is not true. Even among primates sexual dimorphism varies quite a lot from species to species. 

Science is hard - it's harder when your initials are EE and you don't know what you're talking about.

280 270
Posted by: SFGoth at May 31, 2013 03:34 PM (dZ756)

What about children of lesbians? Won't they have an advantage in motorcycle repair and professional tennis?
Posted by: zsasz

Exactly.  And they'll be able to discuss the differences between the 4-3 and the 3-4 much better too. 

281 the taste was reminiscent of a skunk shitting on a hobo's socks. Different strokes, I guess.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at May 31, 2013 03:44 PM (CJjw5)

How often was that on the menu that you were tempted to give it a shot?

282

Also, I don't see how this discussion is getting us any closer to the goal of getting frosting on both sides of the Pop-Tart.

283 This thread pretty much exactly illustrates the problem. Nobody analyzed the evidence. They just looked at the anecdotal evidence in their own life and got offended if they thought the evidence might make them feel bad. Posted by: Flatbush Joe at May 31, 2013 03:43 PM (ZPrif) That's because there is no evidence. Statistics spouted are still statistics subject to the whims of the statistician. They only think we know for sure is that children of a two parent households that are loved, fed, diciplined and bathed, are more likely to be successful than their single parent counterparts. The rest is SoCon, Libtard Bullshit.

284 Bw3's pickles are awful: dry, oversalted, and stale. Mine didn't have the shit taste but that's because they went straight to frying up the hobo's sock, adding more salt from wringing out his other sock. The mushrooms are nice though.

285 Scuse me, I've got to go have an epileptic fit of uncensored, frothing profanity in the parking lot.

 

 

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at May 31, 2013 03:46 PM (4df7R)

 

 

Then add in.... Hey... Lets put more women into Hot Zones in the Military!!!

 

Oh... look... sexual assaults have increased!!!  SOMETHING MUST BE DONE!!!

286 gay parents are going to have better appreciation for the arts and literature than those of hetero parents. ******** lolz, who's bought the product they've been sold. Yes, rich gheys from rich families are cultured, but for most, arts and literature means ecstasy and hot tubs. As would men in a hetero society if they could get laid that easily.

287 There are men out there who are miserable because they have no direction, no attainable goals, and are constantly fed a stream of media bullshit that tells them they are hapless imbeciles who can never hope to reach the pinnacle of superiority that women allegedly inhabit. If that doesn't make you furious, you're not paying close enough attention.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at May 31, 2013 03:34 PM (4df7R)

Refer to my last comment, point number 3...

288 ***Nobody analyzed the evidence. They just looked at the anecdotal evidence in their own life and got offended if they thought the evidence might make them feel bad. *** and....?

289 >>>Conservatism is supposed to mean self-reliance and getting the gubmint out of our lives. Yet the socons want the gubmint telling people what they can and cannot do in the privacy of their own homes.

One I don't give a damn about your use of drugs and I am a socon. But I have yet to see the drug addled addict who won't take advantage of state benefits. Self reliance and responsibility comes first. Then I will support you having your weed. Not before.

290
Also, I don't see how this discussion is getting us any closer to the goal of getting frosting on both sides of the Pop-Tart.

They'll never bridge the jelly matrix.

291 As for gay parents, I think what some on the social right are really afraid of is that children of gay parents are going to have better appreciation for the arts and literature than those of hetero parents.

EoJ's already addressed this, but I have an additional point.

Gays and lesbians are around 3% of the population.  If they were the only ones contributing to the arts, the arts wouldn't exist.

292 bullshit, there is good data, unless you are the type who doesn't believe in "data" or "statistics". If so I have no time for you.

293 Does anyone here know anyone who smoked weed before either smoking tobacco or drinking beer?

294

***Nobody analyzed the evidence. They just looked at the anecdotal evidence in their own life and got offended if they thought the evidence might make them feel bad. ***

 

 

Was the evidence in the Post?  

 

Because people don't read those.

295 I may be misinterpreting what ace is saying here,
but it's my fervent wish that someday he won't see the
pro-life/anti-abortion position in terms of social conservatism. It's
really a human rights issue. I realize some pro-lifers incorporate
religious language into their arguments, but ultimately I hope this is
still a country in which the right to life transcends a belief in God.
--------------------------

Won't work. If one does not believe in God, then any action becomes excusable, sooner or later. If one were to ask a woman about to have an abortion,
1. Do you believe in God?
2. Do you believe that God wants this child dead?
a pair of 'Yes' answers isn't possible..., I don't believe, within the strictures of any religion. On the other hand, Left\Liberal\Progressives, who claim that they hold life precious (Coexist!) have no problem with abortion.

296

Does anyone here know anyone who smoked weed before either smoking tobacco or drinking beer?

 

Yep.  Me.

297 Ecchh, Megyn used the phrase "you posted a blog."

298 Yes, dude. How many single, straight men, not on a date, do you see at the ballet, the opera, etc.? How many single, straight women, not on a date, do you see at the ballet, the oper, etc.? I'm guessing roughly the same number. I'm also guessing that number isn't (statistically) much higher than 0. This is because things like ballet, the opera, theater, the symphony, and (many) movies are designed to be enjoyed on dates. I'm willing to bet a like % of gay guys or gals go alone to "see art." Because these aren't things people (in general) do on their own.

299 Also, I don't see how this discussion is getting us any closer to the goal of getting frosting on both sides of the Pop-Tart. Posted by: garrett at May 31, 2013 03:48 PM (Ov9U No shit, FKN Kellogs.

300

Posted by: Mætenloch at May 31, 2013 03:47 PM (pAlYe)

 

Thanks I  admittedly did not read or watch EE since I'm not a fan and I did not realize that he was talking across nature as a whole.   Another dumbass who suppressed the vote in 2012.

301

"Sex outside of marriage will lead, inevitably, to two things"

A third is a sexually transmitted, although that is not inevitable. Then again, neither are the first 2. I would have used the word possibly

302

How often was that on the menu that you were tempted to give it a shot?

 

Posted by: © Sponge at May 31, 2013 03:48 PM (xmcEQ)

 

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In my defense, I was  heavily overserved at the bar before ordering the fried pickles.

303 Actually go tell Erickson that since he was arguing that science and Nature say that the male should be dominant.

Posted by: Mætenloch at May 31, 2013 03:38 PM (pAlYe)

 

 

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Nowhere  on this thread have I defended Erickson.   With his use of  the liberal relativistic line, he deserved it.   He would have been better served, as I said, with some basic facts from  passed eras of marriage roles to prove his point.

 

However, I think the  moral problems we have in this nation now are not just from mommy going to work all day.  One question that desparately needs to be asked is;  why  does mommy have to work?

304 Having kids younger is better for the health of the children. This is a fact. But people get all upset and think you are criticizing them if they had a child later in life and the child had any health problems.

305 282 >>Posted by: Mandy P., lurking lurker who lurks at May 31, 2013 03:45 PM Good comment. Posted by: Y-not at May 31, 2013 03:47 PM (5H6zj) Thanks! And I will also add that my initial decision to stay home with my kids was based on economics. My choice was between going back to work and spending 85% of what I made on impersonal day care (we can't afford a nanny, at all) or stay home and do it myself. We had to adjust our lifestyle quite a bit but I am happy I decided to raise my own kids instead of working myself to death so I could pay for someone else to raise my kids.

306 " . If one does not believe in God, then any action becomes excusable, sooner or later. " Perhaps, but most atheists would agree that it's wrong to murder a toddler. A secular prolife case is very possible.

307 Also, I don't see how this discussion is getting us any closer to the goal of getting frosting on both sides of the Pop-Tart.
Posted by: garrett
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Not only that..., I want them thick enough to simulate a six-shot cylinder.

308 I know a bunch of gay guys and a few lesbians. The lesbians sort of conform to the stereotype of being butch and into sports. Only one gay male couple that I know even approaches the stereotype of the bright, sophisticated dandies we are told about. The rest are now or have previously been total fucking wrecks,. Molested, prostitution, drugs, all the skeevy shit you don't see on Will and Grace.

309 ace

It's not about whether there's an ideal or not that is looked to, it's a matter of the value of the ideal and what its potentials are.

The short-sightedness of social conservatives has to do with not being traditional enough, not being too traditional. If you go back far enough you find that the nuclear family is not the family, the extended family is. The male marrieds tend to be the leaders, and this is natural.

When you have 40% of women as breadwinners, that means that men are shirking their duties as the leaders of families. It doesn't help, however, that the nuclear family as we understand it is unnatural anyway.

There's a connection between the responsibility of the man, abortion, sex, and breadwinning. The fi-cons are on the wrong side of history on this one, just in that the liberal view on these things is one of demographic decline, which is to lose the long game.

I see the phenomenon of so many breadwinning mothers/women not as a positive, but a negative sign for the economy; women are the second-string working team, and while second-string teams have always been called on to play, if most of your players are from the second-string team, it means your first-string are out of commission.

The feminization of much of the workplace and society has as much to do with this 40% figure as to do with the impact of feminism.

310 Erick Erickson is the kind of guy that gives credence to liberals claim that conservatives want it to be 1956 again.

311 he average American takes life advice from rich famous people whose lives are radically different from theirs. This is especially damaging to lower-class people. I take mine from my parents & grandparents & adjust where/when neccessary.

312 By the way, what idiot thought After Earth was a good movie idea?

Progs are obsessed with the idea that Earth will become uninhabitable Because Global Warming You Guys.  Even Serenity, which otherwise has a very libertarian message, includes that little point.

313 300 Does anyone here know anyone who smoked weed before either smoking tobacco or drinking beer?  
 

Posted by: SFGoth at May 31, 2013 03:50 PM (dZ756)

 

 

Yes... multiple people...

314 I didn't know Smelly Pirate Hooking paid six figures.

315

Yes, dude. How many single, straight men, not on a date, do you see at the ballet, the opera, etc.?

Can I be counted because I have tons of classical music on my I-pod?

316 However, I think the moral problems we have in this nation now are not just from mommy going to work all day. One question that desparately needs to be asked is; why does mommy have to work? Posted by: Soona at May 31, 2013 03:52 PM (TqtU4) Oh I don't know, maybe she wants to?

317 I like fried pickles.  I really like fried okra.  I really, really, like fried Jalapenos  .   Don't get me started on shrimp and cheese stuffed Japs wrapped in bacon...  I love living in Texas!

318 As far as the 2014 mid-terms, if the Media decide the country goes Democrat in a big way, then that is what will happen. 

319 Once you've had a Toaster Strudel you'll never look at a poptart again. Fact.

320 Food Review

I made a 1/8" slice of Kosher dill, and spread it with butter. It was gross. Don't do this. One star.

321 "Smelly Pirate Hooker"? Good movie.

322 1936 Los Angeles Sheriffs Department either had huge balls or teeny brains. *shooting clays out of their hands - check *chalk sticks out of their hands - check *FUCKING CHALK STICKS OUT OF THEIR DAMN EARS ?!? - WTF CHECK (I am only 4 minutes into it.) http://tinyurl.com/mywqq3z

323 You fried-pickle-hating RINOs obviously want lesbian single parents to suck the vital bodily fluids from the national man-sack. And that's all I've got to say about that.

324

Once you've had a Toaster Strudel you'll never look at a poptart again.

 

Spoken like a true fuckin' RiNO. 

325

You know, Maetenloch, maybe you're being too  harsh on Erick Erickson.  He could know exactly  what he is doing.

 

There is  porn for guys who like getting their balls stepped on by stiletto heels, or having  their shit tied,  pulled backwards between their cheeks, and spanked bloody with a wire BBQ grill brush.

 

Maybe  he's one of those  guys, because it sure looked like that's what happened  and he didn't seem too upset by it.

326

Inre all of this crap, it seems to me the "science" keeps getting morphed to achieve various ends.

 

A woman working = science doesn't hold that the woman is better suited to stay home with the kids.

 

A woman in a divorce = kids should go with the woman because women are better suited to raise kids than a father is.

 

 

 

327 Ever was it thus. Buzzkill, killjoy, whatever. We can't all be the cool kid, because then nobody would do the dishes.


Honestly, how is this NOT true? Women make babies, care for babies, raise babies. Otherwise, chaos.


We see the result currently. Scream all you want, but Megyn Kelly is shortchanging her kid, and that's the plain truth.

328 326 Once you've had a Toaster Strudel you'll never look at a poptart again.


Fact.

Damn straight.

329 320 300 Does anyone here know anyone who smoked weed before either smoking tobacco or drinking beer? Posted by: SFGoth at May 31, 2013 03:50 PM (dZ756) Yes... multiple people... Posted by: Romeo13 at May 31, 2013 03:54 PM (lZBBB) I have often opined that if they legalize weed I will never take another drink of alcohol.

330 Perhaps, but most atheists would agree that it's wrong to murder a toddler. A secular prolife case is very possible. Posted by: Lauren
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Ah. Like the Chinese female infanticide?

331 Also, I don't see how this discussion is getting us any closer to the goal of getting frosting on both sides of the Pop-Tart.

Would such a Pop-Tart simply rotate in mid-air if dropped, like toast with butter on both sides allegedly does?

332 >>> Even Serenity, which otherwise has a very libertarian message, includes that little point.

Overpopulation, not global warming.

333 > I'm sick and tired of being treated like I'm somehow special because I've got two X-chromosomes, while the men can go jump off a cliff because REASONS. Fuck that. How you doin? A friend of mine is a financial adviser. He said every single married client he's had where the woman consistently makes more than the man has ended in divorce at some point. Not sure why that is, but it's probably due to "Science".

334 Gays and lesbians are around 3% of the population. If they were the only ones contributing to the arts, the arts wouldn't exist. ********** shhh, someone was sold a product watching Glee and Will&Grace and bought the preferred public image. I'd say only .3% of the population, it's just that they congregate in big cities so it seems like there's more. NTTAWT. considering the great moral issue of the day is ghey marriage and the backlog that there was because it was imperative for them to get married, to have only 150K marriages suggests that you'd be barely able to hit half a percent of the population unless there's a fuckton of them that don't want to get married.

335
As for gay parents, I think what some on the social right are really afraid of is that children of gay parents are going to have better appreciation for the arts and literature than those of hetero parents.



Uh-huh.

Let's just forget the fact that fags and dyke couples predominantly live a funny little life-style they like to refer to as "open monogamy".

And we all know that swinging adults make great "parents"!


....you fucking moron.....

336 298 As for gay parents, I think what some on the social right are really
afraid of is that children of gay parents are going to have better
appreciation for the arts and literature than those of hetero parents.

EoJ's already addressed this, but I have an additional point.

Gays and lesbians are around 3% of the population. If they were the only ones contributing to the arts, the arts wouldn't exist.
Posted by: Ian S.

What?  You're assuming they're equally represented in all fields.  For instance, Jews do dominate learned professions and are nearly absent from team sports.  It's not a conspiracy -- it's that Jewish culture emphasizes education and becoming a professional; and Jews tend to be on the smaller and slower side.  Gay men are overrepresented in the arts because it's "safe".  Who's more likely to be harassed, the gay construction worker or the gay ballet dancer, the gay mechanic or the gay fabric store guy who sold me some dark gray silk-on-linen fabric for my faboo in-progress 1740 outfit?  The lesbians I dunno about -- they live across town, though I know some fiiiine lipstick lesbians who enjoy the arts.  If you took gays out of the arts, yes, they would suffer greatly. 

337 *shooting clays out of their hands - check *chalk sticks out of their hands - check *FUCKING CHALK STICKS OUT OF THEIR DAMN EARS ?!? - WTF CHECK Reconcile this level of marksmanship with that C/F with the manhunt for that ex-cop mass murder dude.

338 From anectodal evidence smelly pirate hookers are pretty cute.

339 320 300 Does anyone here know anyone who smoked weed before either smoking tobacco or drinking beer?


Posted by: SFGoth at May 31, 2013 03:50 PM (dZ756)


Yes... multiple people...

Posted by: Romeo13 at May 31, 2013 03:54 PM (lZBBB)

Youngest stepson. Found it easier to get weed than get a beer, and hated beer when he finally tried it.

340 You all make great points, but in my opinion... Damn! Still stuck on "smelly pirate hooker".

341 So it's now a faux pas to stand up for the model of a traditional family and now conservatives must be champions of the feminist vision of working mothers being the norm. I guess I can add this with the smaller government and less spending pile on what conservatism doesn't really believe in.

It's no wonder that conservationism has so little success in stopping the left when all it does is try to conserve the left's policies.  

342

gay parents are going to have better
appreciation for the arts and literature than those of hetero parents.

 

That's one of the silliest thing I've ever heard.

 

Throughout most of human history, the two person, heterosexual family has been the norm.   Amazingly, even though the men were    allegedly    off fighting wars and working in coal mines    while scratching their    balls      and     the women were at home, barefoot and pregnant, we somehow STILL managed to       have    illuminated Bibles,   the Renaissance,   William Shakespeare, The Odyssey   and   The Illiad,   Beowulf, commedia dell'arte, architectural masterpieces,   the Romantics,    the Rationalists,     Jane Austen,   Citizen Kane,    Dante's Inferno...

 

343 Also, a situation where Kelly pulls down enough cake to hire a nanny (not sure that's the route she goes of course) isn't exactly applicable to the situation of the rest of us.

344 What about retarded parents, what will their kids be better at ?

Posted by: The Jackhole at May 31, 2013 03:38 PM (nTgAI)

Dealing with jackholes?

How many single, straight men, not on a date, do you see at the ballet, the opera, etc.?

Posted by: SFGoth at May 31, 2013 03:44 PM (dZ756)

None. Cause women civilize us. That's a good thing IMO.  I'm an uncouth beer drinking sloth who sits on the couch in his underwear farting and watching the NASCAR races, but if I had a lady who wanted to go to the opera I'd be putting on a monkey suit just to see her smile. Cause that's what they do for us.

345 Perhaps, but most atheists would agree that it's wrong to murder a toddler. A secular prolife case is very possible.

Posted by: Lauren at May 31, 2013 03:53 PM (wsGWu)

 

wrong based on what? Cultural norms?  Because there are many cultures that didn't have a problem with it and  even  some now that  don't have a problem with it.  India is knocking back little girl babies  like they were skittles.

346 We see the result currently. Scream all you want, but Megyn Kelly is shortchanging her kid, and that's the plain truth. Posted by: tcn at May 31, 2013 03:56 PM (ZOUmX) Thanks for your input gramps, here is your six pack of ensure.

347 Damn it, now I'm hungry again. And need beer. And it's only 2 pm. Denver is pub food paradise. I'm going to be 300 pounds if this keeps up

348 325 As far as the 2014 mid-terms, if the Media decide the country goes Democrat in a big way, then that is what will happen. ******** maybe since the tea party will be allowed to exist this election cycle, things may be different.

349

"Sex outside of marriage will lead, inevitably, to two things"

 

A third is a sexually transmitted, although that is not inevitable. Then again, neither are the first 2. I would have used the word possibly

 

Posted by: Bill at May 31, 2013 03:52 PM (UvI0D)

 

Yeah.... its must be fiiiinnnnalllly coming.... because I was married for 3 years.... and been sexually active for ... 38 years... with no STDs, no unwanted Pregnancies...

 

Inevitable... you keepa using that word... I done think it means wha you think it means... 

350 Don't make us fight the butter battle, again.

351 Conservative my ass. Women have always worked, and that has always been bad for the kids. We know it, we just aren't allowed to say it. That is the triumph of PC over reality, and it has to stop somewhere, or we go over the cliff.


Like we are doing now. See how that works? Say whatever you want to, but the truth always brings the pain.

352 >>> Reconcile this level of marksmanship with that C/F with the manhunt for that ex-cop mass murder dude.

Chalk sticks weren't shooting back like the paper ladies were.

353 " Ah. Like the Chinese female infanticide?" Like I said. Most. Especially in America. Apart from Singer, when was the last time you heard someone defend killing a 6month old baby?

354 Hypergamy. Women prefer men to be higher status than they are. Income correlates with status, imperfectly. Megyn Kelly might earn more, but "novelist" is higher status. Women seek nobility, men seek nubility. It has always been thus.

355 313 " . If one does not believe in God, then any action becomes excusable, sooner or later. "

Perhaps, but most atheists would agree that it's wrong to murder a toddler. A secular prolife case is very possible. Posted by: Lauren

Case in point:  Nat Hentoff
Very liberal (probably a commie back in the day -- he's in his 80's) former NYT jazz critic.  Pro-life, pro-1st amendment, and about 20 years ago, converted to pro-2nd amendment.

The argument can easily be flipped around -- if one does believe in God, then any action becomes excusable because God told you to do it.

356 269 ---Mandy P. ---Well said.

357 Thanks for your input gramps, here is your six pack of ensure.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at May 31, 2013 03:58 PM (XIxXP)

Sweetie, that would be my dad. I'm a little more feminine than that.

And you can kiss my pretty female ass.

358 Even Serenity, which otherwise has a very libertarian message, includes that little point. I think it was massive overpopulation rather than globull warming. Many people left, but many stayed ...

359 I get it, cause ensure is for old people. And their opinions don't count. Ooh, clever.

360 Only one gay male couple that I know even approaches the stereotype of the bright, sophisticated dandies we are told about. The rest are now or have previously been total fucking wrecks,. Molested, prostitution, drugs, all the skeevy shit you don't see on Will and Grace. Posted by: Lincolntf at

Yeah, but the fucking wrecks aren't the ones adopting children (or fathering them with a fruit fly and a turkey baster).  It's the cultured ones who are.

361 What about retarded parents, what will their kids be better at ?

Posted by: The Jackhole at May 31, 2013 03:38 PM (nTgAI)

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Being Vice-President?

362 Tell another ensure joke, that was so funny and clever.

363 The argument can easily be flipped around -- if one does believe in God, then any action becomes excusable because God told you to do it. I'm not going to bother to refute this steaming pile, I just wanted to point it out for all to see.

364 "I have often opined that if they legalize weed I will never take another drink of alcohol." absolutely agree. I like being drunk. I don't like drinking.

365 Inevitable... you keepa using that word... I done think it means whayou think it means...

Posted by: Romeo13 at May 31, 2013 03:58 PM (lZBBB)

Just because you have been shooting blanks doesn't mean the rest of the world is following suit.

366 Don't get me started on shrimp and cheese stuffed Japs wrapped in bacon Stuffed Koreans are better.

367 I was raised in a single parent household by my mom, she not only worked, she also went to school and yet i still joined the baseball team for my school, the football team, kids bowling league on weekends, my mom played catch with me, got me all the sporting equipment i needed and on and on, not really seeing how i missed out on anything.

368 Nothing says "Let's read Chaucer!" like watching Daddy doing poppers off of Daddy #2's abs.

369 How many operas and art museums were on fire island. Just such an insulting idiotic bill of goods the ghey marriagists are selling us. Oh it goes along the line of "well, brittany spears got marriedd!!!21@1" and then zoom to an HBO approved rich ghey couple with great taste in art.

370

None. Cause women civilize us. That's a good thing IMO. I'm an uncouth beer drinking sloth who sits on the couch in his underwear farting and watching the NASCAR races, but if I had a lady who wanted to go to the opera I'd be putting on a monkey suit just to see her smile. Cause that's what they do for us.

 

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at May 31, 2013 03:58 PM (3B1GS)

 

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Well said.

 

***scratches satchel***

371

238

Yep, that was your FKUP Marybeth. Now you have to eat it.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at May 31, 2013 03:39 PM (XIxXP)

 

I know, I know, OSP - you don't have to tell me. :-)   I beat myself up about it when I think about it.  Because she is my sister, I wasn't thinking as rationally as normal.

 

But that doesn't mean I'm not going to fight like hell to make her pay that $ back.  With the witnesses, there is a good chance I can, which will fix her ass but good.   

 

It's the working through the government bureaucracy/red tape that has me even more pissed off about the situation.

 

 

372 He said every single married client he's had where the woman consistently makes more than the man has ended in divorce at some point. Not sure why that is, but it's probably due to "Science".

The scientific term you're looking for is "female hypergamy"; Insty mentions it about twice a week.

373 Wasn't there a gay couple who just got busted for abusing the, like, 7 kids they adopted? Well, they probably abused them in a cultural manner.

374 In my defense, I was heavily overserved at the bar before ordering the fried pickles.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at May 31, 2013 03:52 PM (CJjw5)

Those are my favorite bartenders....the overservers.


Oh, and the link in your nic is broken.

375 Booger, just because you were lucky, that doesn't mean the average latch-key kid is doing okay.

376 The breadwinner moms headline was misleading to begin with. What is buried is the fact that 63% of these moms are single mothers. That means that only 15% of two parent households has the mother earning more than the father.

377 I get it, cause ensure is for old people. And their opinions don't count. Ooh, clever. Posted by: Flatbush Joe at May 31, 2013 04:00 PM (ZPrif) Thanks Mysoginistic dickhead, you are one quick MTHR FUKR..

378 I was raised in a single parent household by my mom, she not only worked, she also went to school and yet i still joined the baseball team for my school, the football team, kids bowling league on weekends, my mom played catch with me, got me all the sporting equipment i needed and on and on, not really seeing how i missed out on anything.

Posted by: booger at May 31, 2013 04:01 PM (E1tcO)

 

Short answer:   your mom cared   about you,   and showed it.   

379 goth does have a point there.

380 I actually saw that live today.  The problem I had with Megyn was not that she took offense, but that she tried to use the psychologist association as SCIENCE! to prove her point as if they aren't totally political in their publications.

381 Posted by: Warden at May 31, 2013 03:38 PM (HzhBE) I agree. I hate the commercials and TV shows that have Dad as bumbling doofus and Mom as perfection incarnate. I have 4 boys careening towards manhood and I'd like them to not enter a society that expects irresponsible stupidity from them. As to divorce, single moms and what not: we are not currently primary conservators for the younger 2 of those 4 sons. The Judge in their hometown has 3 times now overlooked evidence of their mother's mental disorders, bad behavior and piss poor judgement in favor of keeping them with her, because dad=bad or there wouldn't have been a divorce. Now she is teeing up for another divorce, the boys have told us she sleeps almost all day, they rarely have food in the house, the hot water heater has been broken all winter and they might be evicted. Naturally, we are moving to try to gain custody, again. It should be a slam dunk, particularly in light of the boys WANTING to move here. But the Judge is still the same guy and we don't know. How stupid is that?

382

Sweetie, that would be my dad. I'm a little more feminine than that.

And you can kiss my pretty female ass.

 

Posted by: tcn at May 31, 2013 04:00 PM (ZOUmX)

 

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OBJECTION - assumes facts not in evidence.

 

SUSTAINED - pics or gtfo

383 Youngest stepson. Found it easier to get weed than get a beer, and hated beer when he finally tried it.
Posted by: joncelli

So weed turned him onto heroin and meth, but not beer. LOL.  Some gateway drug.  (I'm being sarcastic about the heroin and meth part.)

384 " -- if one does believe in God, then any action becomes excusable because God told you to do it. " Not "told you to do it" but I've been told by more women walking into abortion clinics than I can count that "God will forgive me, and my baby (yeah, they know it's a baby) will be in heaven". Head.Bang.On. Desk.

385

I love how erudite "deep thinking" libertarians/conservatives whatever, in their rush to show they are not troglodytes, fancifully dismiss certain traditional positions as the religion of rubes.

 

Of course we evolved from monkeys.  Well, if we are nothing more than a more intelligent mammal, would it not be wise to consult nature on the subject.

 

Hmmm, in how many species of mammal is the female the primary caregiver?  How many animals are strictly homos?

 

Yes, we are nothing more than animals.  But don't look to the animal world as to how NATURE structures things.  That would be CRAZY.

 

LOL.

386 Try it now, Ian.

387 But that doesn't mean I'm not going to fight like hell to make her pay that $ back. With the witnesses, there is a good chance I can, which will fix her ass but good. It'sthe working through the government bureaucracy/red tape that has me even more pissed off about the situation. Posted by: Marybeth at May 31, 2013 04:02 PM (Ks0w4) I know people that own businesses that wouldn't dream of hiring a family member.

388 oldsailor, what did I say that was hating women? You are being a total dick, you realize that right? Are you ok?

389 Yeah, but the fucking wrecks aren't the ones adopting children (or fathering them with a fruit fly and a turkey baster). It's the cultured ones who are.

Posted by: SFGoth at May 31, 2013 04:00 PM (dZ756)

 

Did you cry when 'A Different Light' was closed?

390 before things get out of hand, let's take a minute and count our blessings.  The Obama administration has made no move to infringe the third amendment.  Ahhhh, that's all I got.

391 Re, Serenity -It was an Alliance approved schoolteacher propagandist who claimed that "earth that was could no longer support our numbers". That is, she was one of those who believed in state control, for our own good. So, not a reliable source.

392 386 I've yet to meet a fag or a dyke who wasn't fucked up in the head.

Funny that.

Posted by: Strife at May 31, 2013 04:03 PM (ntNJz)

So, you know enough for a robust sample size? Come on, that's verging on mobyism.

393 Also, it's important to note that due to the nature of the male's particular struggle with the world, he will be all-to-willing to let the woman be the breadwinner as well as the childbearer. He will even let her fight the wars if she wants to.

A society in which women cannot officially be 'the worker' or a political unit of her own forces men to take responsibility. This is only one factor of course in the whole thing but these states are not 'benighted states we have emerged from' but states that were concocted over time for the betterment of society.

I'm fine with women working but we shouldn't pretend its all hunky-dorey especially if women are replacing men as breadwinners. There has always been disability preventing men from breadwinning and its fine that women can do more now to make up for that, and it's good that society is by in large safe enough that a woman can live and work single, but the reality is that we have descended, mostly, not ascended. These other advances are our adaptations to our descent, not the product of enlightenment.

394 I think it was massive overpopulation rather than globull warming.

Right.  I should've mentioned the trope actually encompasses a range of leftist bogiemen: climate change, overpopulation, corporate-cause famine, or an unspecified "ecological disaster" (which is always implied to be caused by capitalism).

395

How many single, straight men, not on a date, do you see at the ballet, the opera, etc.?

 

Posted by: SFGoth at May 31, 2013 03:44 PM (dZ756)

 

 

You live in a bubble.... San Francisco is WAY different than many other cities...

 

Heck... I'm 1.5 hours from Frisco, and would never go to an Art or cultural exhibit there as a single guy... because I DON'T feel like getting hit on by the Gays who WILL be there....

 

In Denver?  Where I lived for 15 years?  I went to Art functions because that's where the Martini Business crowd hung out...

396 My mother finished her career as a Dean of Women at a small college.  My father was in charge of maintenance at a public school system.   My mother HATED housework and only had about 5 really decent recipes she could cook.  My dad loved to cook. 

So,  once my mother went back to teaching when I was 10 (and my brother was 2) they hired a woman to come keep house and get the youngest ready for school.  By the timeI was in high school,  the housekeeper just came to get my brother dragged out of bed and do a quick clean of the house.  (This was not a nanny type person.  This was the grandmother of one of my classmates and she was a down-yonder old lady from Kentucky with an 8th grade education.)

Dad came home at 3PM,  He would feed the farm animals,  get supper started,  and we would straggle in from school, practices,  or friends house.  Mom would tool in around 5 and we would all eat together.

Then my parents would go to bed and read mysteries (hence my screen name) and we would do homework, talk on the phone, and stay up until midnight.  HA!

The women in my family move in and out of the workforce as family situations require.  I worked professionally for a number of years,  stayed home when my children were younger and did all of that stuff like team mother and PTA and then went back to work when my daughter was11.
My brother,  an electrician,  is now retired, but when he was working he always did the cooking.  My sister-in-law is a terrible cook,  but she is a partner in a law firm. 

It helps if siblings and grandparents live close by,  as mine did and do.  I think what is important is that the child isn't left feeling abandoned and without support.  

Why didn't I continue to work when my children were small?  Because I cannot do well at two things at the same time.  I would have been neglecting my job or neglecting my family,  and I do not care to live with guilt.  So I stayed home.

397 Sweetie, that would be my dad. I'm a little more feminine than that. And you can kiss my pretty female ass. Posted by: tcn at May 31, 2013 04:00 PM (ZOUmX) Sorry, I couldn't imagine a woman writing that.

398 The men hating over this stupid brouhaha is strong on twitter. Apparently this is all the fault of... men. Even lots of conservative women are taking the bait on this one. Shameful. But the best response I saw so far... Maybe more men would stand up and be gentlemen if more women would sit down and be ladies.

399

258...Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at May 31, 2013 03:42 PM (/PCJa)

 

Totally agree, AllenG.

 

I would also add...that Megyn's kids get to watch their mom on TV, while she is away from them.

Not something that most moms get to do.

400 How can women be the primary bread winners when we've had it beaten over our heads that the only earn 70 cents on the dollar compared to men?

401 I know people that own businesses that wouldn't dream of hiring a family member.

 

 

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at May 31, 2013 04:04 PM (XIxXP)

 

 

Heck, I won't even hire friends anymore...

402 The Obama administration has made no move to infringe the third amendment.

Wait until your Organizing for America Political Officer arrives with its suitcase.

403

The men hating over this stupid brouhaha is strong on twitter. Apparently this is all the fault of... men. Even lots of conservative women are taking the bait on this one. Shameful.

 

*cracking knuckles*   They don't want to meet me.  

404 I mean Sponge.  Sorry.

405

Now, as a political matter, as a message for a populace which is increasingly lazy and narcissistic, which is the politically winning message? And which becomes the Square, Nagging, Buzzkill message?

 

Republicans should be for people who have as much sex as possible  before  marriage, don't get anyone pregnant, then marry and have kids. The segment  who did this, or is doing this, is  huge. They have fun, AND they are responsible.

 

With people getting married  after age 30, it is delusional to expect them to wait until after marrige to have  sex.  The key is: Do you have chlidren within or outside  of wedlock? The married, and those who plan  to marry, are our people. Almost EVERY domestic policy debate is a shadow debate  over single parenthood. Poverty, crime, schools, access to health care are all debates  over "How can the government mitigate the effects of society's  shift to single parenthood?" - That is, mitigate the effects of horrible choices?

 

Voters will support government programs to help the truly needy. Every election. But they won't support those who made selfish choices - provided  they know we're talking about selfish choices.

 

The Left is perfectly  happy to continue the shadow debate, because they'd lose the real one.

 

 

406 This is why I say the winning strategy should be to stick to economic issues *when running for election* and then jam through as much SoCon stuff through as possible in the first six months of a GOP-led Congress, then go back to taxes and jobs and stuff for the remaining 18 months, counting on the short attention span of the gerbil-brains out there to minimise any backlash.

407 OT: Since the US Attorney General is now all about people's civil rights--how many rights are violated when leftists occupy a building or place they have no right to occupy, or deny others fair use of? How many? What if it was a interstate conspiracy to so do? What if it was violent? Are any of these federal interst, or is high crime these days going after folks for Facebook posts? And how many rights are violated if members of one creed are not hired on campuses, in numbers of clear disparate impact seemingly greater than any case the DOJ has tried on behalf of others? How many? But I think we all know the answers to these questions, because the system is rotten to the core, and does not care that it is. My word of advice--if you rebel (which I recommend thinking about, preparing for, but not doing) but at any rate if you do, do not pause, but push the thing through, because the first second you let up and give them a chance to regroup they will try to crush you if they can. Crush you hard. Because why would they try and change that which they are already trying to do?

408 Perhaps, but most atheists would agree that it's wrong to murder a toddler. A secular prolife case is very possible.

Posted by: Lauren
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Perhaps..., but most (as you qualify, '..in America..') atheists have at least a residual Judeo-Christian ethic transferred to them by society. That influence is being lost, and with it the basis for a civil, stable society, including regard for human life.

409 >>>Perhaps, but most atheists would agree that it's wrong to murder a toddler.

Most would but the current trend in liberal Intellectia is that "aborting" a toddler* is morally justifiable. So given how much ground we've lost over the past half century, if unabated, how long to you think toddlers will be safe?

(18 months)

410 >>> 303 Does anyone here know anyone who smoked weed before either smoking tobacco or drinking beer? Yep. Me. Me, too.

411 Nood up.

412 Maybe more men would stand up and be gentlemen if more women would sit down and be ladies.

 

 

Posted by: laceyunderalls at May 31, 2013 04:05 PM (pLTLS)

 

 

As I told my current Lady when we first started dating...

 

I'll be your Knight in shining armor... if you act like a Princess...

413 shhh, someone was sold a product watching Glee and Will&Grace and bought the preferred public image. I'd say only .3% of the population, [ ]  Posted by: joeindc44
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I'm assuming this is aimed at me.  Sorry, but I've never watched Glee (I don't even know what it is) or Will & Grace.

As for your saying gays are only 0.3%, well, as you admit, that's only you saying.  Frankly, I have no friggin' idea what the % is, and I don't go spouting out #s, in part because we have no set definitions and no reliable way of making the determination.  I will agree with the other statement that gays predominantly (but not always -- see Northampton, MA) cluster in big cities -- because that's where they can find life venues in which they feel more comfortable.  "Small town values" aren't particularly welcoming to faggots.

414 If you grew up without a Daddy like I had I feel very sorry for you. You truly did miss out. And I don't care how many feminists that pisses off...

415 >>>> Maybe more men would stand up and be gentlemen if more women would sit down and be ladies.

I like that.

416 I mean Sponge. Sorry.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at May 31, 2013 04:08 PM (CJjw5)

I knew what you meant, and much better.

417 I have a list of all woman that I would allow to work right here in my binder.

418 > I was raised in a single parent household by my mom, she not only worked, she also went to school and yet i still joined the baseball team for my school, the football team, kids bowling league on weekends, my mom played catch with me, got me all the sporting equipment i needed and on and on, not really seeing how i missed out on anything. Anecdote is not data.

419 In nature "dominance" is typically established through a ritual or deadly serious show of force. Wrong word for the wrong species.

420 Maybe more men would stand up and be gentlemen if more women would sit down and be ladies.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at May 31, 2013 04:05 PM (pLTLS)

 

This.

421 Oh I don't know, maybe she wants to?

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at May 31, 2013 03:54 PM (XIxXP)

 

 

----------------------------------------

 

 

Then please refer back to my comment about  so many parents/parent  not  willing to  make essential  sacrifices  in order to make  raising their children their primary purpose.

422

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at May 31, 2013 03:31 PM (O6Tmi)

 

Sorry.  Ran off for personal stuff (it's one of those weeks.)

 

In any case.  Thanks.  I have to put this useless degree to use somehow, and the division between "progressivism" and "conservatism" is a topic 'o discussion around the department right now in a big way.

(I'm busy trying to make the progressives head go 'asplode by showing how they are much like the SoCons.)

423 Well crap it's after midnight.  See y'all tomorrow.  Or later tonight.  Or something.

424 Here's my perhaps not so important 2c: Mothers have been working for centuries in various societies. Nothing wrong with that. Growing up in deepest darkest Africa, I don't think I can remember anyone having a mom who was truly a stay at home mom with no business of her own or job, and I don't think we suffered for it. My own mother was a busy high-powered executive, and we did okay. I do think however that children ideally should have 2 married parents in the home (one male and one female) and that men should also provide for their families, even if the mother works as well. If she makes more money, so be it. That is, unless there are extenuating circumstances that require the mother to be the sole breadwinner. For example I saw an episode of Oprah (I know) a long time ago where the couple had a disabled child that needed lots of care and the mother had a job with better insurance and pay. That makes sense to me. I'm not a dude, but I think that there is something in the male psyche that makes being a good provider for his family beneficial to his well-being.

425 I agree, Mike Hammer, but enough still remains that showing LIVs that pereborn human is in fact human is enough to shift people away from supporting abortion. I've seen it happen again and again.

426 oldsailor, what did I say that was hating women? You are being a total dick, you realize that right? Are you ok? Posted by: Flatbush Joe at May 31, 2013 04:04 PM (ZPrif) My wife works, I stay at home. You are saying that we are damaging our child through this activity. I say you are wrong and I have empirical proof. It's called good well adjusted children. Continue on your path of insulting me and I will continue to tell you to go fuck yourself. Our children have both parents available at different times of the day. Because of our choices we send them to the best schools in the area, they are both perfoming above average in all measurable school activities. Insofar as tcn, Maybe she doesn't want to vote either. That was thought of women also. I am no less of a man and my wife is no less of a woman nor are our children being cheated out of anything. That's my point.

427  "Small town values" aren't particularly welcoming to faggots.

Posted by: SFGoth at May 31, 2013 04:09 PM (dZ756)

 

Yeah because how can you have a parade with only 3 people.

428 The argument can easily be flipped around -- if one does believe in God, then any action becomes excusable because God told you to do it.
Posted by: SFGoth
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Strawman. Point to the basis (at least in the Judeo-Christian ethic or scripture) that condones, say, humans murdering babies.

429 Based on this interview, the "Nature Intended Men to Dominate Women" science seems to be a bit shaky.


Except, that's not what he said either. That's the hyperventilating liberal freak-out spin on what he said. What he actually said, which is that families where the husband plays the dominant role (and someone has the dominant role in each relationship) tend to be more stable, and that stable two-parent families tend to be better for kids. Both of those things are demonstrably true. His failure was mealy-mouthing it in front of Megyn Kelly instead of sticking to his guns and making his case.

430
Naughty Librarian Glasses

http://tinyurl.com/kcjjepj

Hawt with Julie Banderas

http://tinyurl.com/mf2xkgl

You're welcome.

431 Maybe more men would stand up and be gentlemen if more women would sit down and be ladies.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at May 31, 2013 04:05 PM (pLTLS)

Not a twitterer, but I imagine this caused more than a few squawks. How do you know you're over the target?

432

gay parents are going to have better appreciation for the arts and literature than those of hetero parents.

 

Don't forget the parades.

433 language!

434 Btw, I went to school for 5 extra years to get my PhD in an engineering field and I highly doubt I would stop working for an extended period of time if I became a mother (marriage assumed, of course). Parents should make sure they see to the welfare of their family, but I frankly don't think children need a parent hovering over them 24/7. And as a sinister furriner peeking in, it seems to me Americans idolize kids a little too much. Just my opinion. Although I must say I don't find that to be the case with Moron parents, from what you guys have typed on the blog.

435 oldsailor, you went psycho on me and several other people. Calm the fuck down, I didn't say jack shit. Do not fucking threaten me.

436 Dude.

437 oldsailor, you went psycho on me and several other people. Calm the fuck down, I didn't say jack shit. Do not fucking threaten me. Posted by: Flatbush Joe at May 31, 2013 04:16 PM (ZPrif) I didn't threaten you, I said you were wrong.

438

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at May 31, 2013 04:15 PM (r+7wo)[/I

 

 

Uh...well for the first few years they kinda need 24/7 attention...

439 Posted by: IllTemperedCur at May 31, 2013 04:12 PM (TIIx5) You are a prince among men.

440 oldsailor's poet,

Are you still the head of the household, though? I would bet that is the case. It is not every man that can lead his household while not being the economic engine of it. It takes a particularly strong personality.

441
432 My wife works, I stay at home



And you die inside a little each day - don't you, sweetheart.

442 359 ---"Apart from Singer, when was the last time you heard someone defend killing a 6month old baby?" Posted by: Lauren at May 31, 2013 03:59 PM (wsGWu) ----------------- A few months ago. January, I think. But then, I work in the halls of academia, where people are more Enlightened --- and freer to express their opinions.

443 Wow, mods are quick today.

444 tsrblke, I suspect a barrel in your future. Anyhoo, of course they need attention in the first few years, but not forever while they're in school. Also, this may sound blasphemous, but after the first year or so, I don't think the parents need to be the ones giving attention all the time. Most of the time, probably.

445

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at May 31, 2013 04:18 PM (C8mVl)

 

 

Let's fix this:

Apart from Singer and his cultlike followers.

(i.e. when was the last time you heard it without someone referencing Singer.)

446 On Morning Joe, MSNBC actually called today's 20-something men "Unmarriable Gamers": http://tinyurl.com/kkvldsr

Thank you liberalism for making men obsolete, and no longer want to marry.

201
So I ask once more: where are the men? And why aren't they there? Anybody out there in libby land care to talk about that? And I don't mean talk about it in terms of how their absence affects the children (answer: badly) or, God forbid, how it affects women (everything is not about women!!), but how their absence affects MEN THEMSELVES.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at May 31, 2013 03:34 PM (4df7R)

447 434 The argument can easily be flipped around -- if one
does believe in God, then any action becomes excusable because God told
you to do it.

Posted by: SFGoth
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Strawman. Point to the basis (at least in the Judeo-Christian ethic or scripture) that condones, say, humans murdering babies.
Posted by: Mike Hammer
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I'll just point to thousands of years of crimes, small and large, committed by believers.  Let's start with pogroms against Jews by their Judeo-Christian ethic partners.  You ever been told you're shit because your people killed Jesus?

As far as I'm anecdotally concerned, there may be external sources of morality, but in the end, it's up to the individual to determine and live by their own (or lack thereof).

448

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at May 31, 2013 04:19 PM (r+7wo)

 

Right, it kinda depends on what you mean by "extended period of time."

I've seen friends do it with something like 4 weeks off and back to work.  I've seen other roll for about a year.  I'd personally consider the latter "extended" and perfectly acceptable.

449 433 "Small town values" aren't particularly welcoming to faggots.
Posted by: SFGoth at May 31, 2013 04:09 PM (dZ756)

Yeah because how can you have a parade with only 3 people. Posted by: polynikes

But you can have a train....  LOL

450
440 Parents should make sure they see to the welfare of their family, but I frankly don't think children need a parent hovering over them 24/7. And as a sinister furriner peeking in, it seems to me Americans idolize kids a little too much. Just my opinion.



That's because in their sub-conscience they know they're shitty sub-par parents, so they overcompensate by treating their kids like little gods and goddesses.

451

I'll say there is no difference in men and women as  the high earner  when the time comes when  its not uncommon that rich women marry bartenders, pool boys, gardeners, etc. 

 

 

452 oldsailor's poet, Are you still the head of the household, though? I would bet that is the case. It is not every man that can lead his household while not being the economic engine of it. It takes a particularly strong personality. Posted by: RiverC at May 31, 2013 04:17 PM (KTytI) OK, you make a good point. We are responsible for different things and they are very much gender based. She's a finance wizard, she handles money. I'm a maintenance guy, I take care of the house. Children are girls and siblings. I'm a boy and an only child so I default many things to her. Not because she's a woman, because that is her experiance. We handle what we are good at. I look at her as my best friend and my lover. Not a girl. I put no limitations on her nor does she to me. Generalizing is bullshit. And thats what I see going on.

453 Oh shit I wrote that wrong. I meant to say they are not gender based.

454

Mandy P., lurking lurker who lurks....Bra-VO!

455 Deleting my comments? Seriously?

456 393

I know people that own businesses that wouldn't dream of hiring a family member.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at May 31, 2013 04:04 PM (XIxXP)

 

In this case, lesson learned. 

 

She did a good job for 5 years.  But she went off the rails after our dad died. 

I know people who own businesses for whom hiring family members works out very well. 

 

So it can be a crapshoot. 

 

It was always my dream to have a family business.  But for our family I now KNOW it's a nightmare.  :-) 

 

Never again. 

 

457

"The argument can easily be flipped around -- if one does believe in God, then any action becomes excusable because God told you to do it."

 

 

Incorrect.  The Bible (taken in *context* btw) tells Christians what they are to do and not to do.  There is absolutely no room in Christianity for "any action becomes excusable since God told you to" since God won't tell you to do any and all actions, and indeed, forbids a great many. 

458 Fuck it.

459 Fuck it again.

460 Generalizing is bullshit. And thats what I see going on.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at May 31, 2013 04:24 PM (XIxXP)

 

Thinking men and woman are the same both physically , emotionally and mentally is what is bullshit.  Its fine and correct to acknowledge that women are superior at many things but intellectually dishonest to think that men and women are equally capable across the spectrum.

461 It's not only the kids. The entire white picket fence real estate side of the American dream makes it necessary that someone man the premises almost 24-7. There's a crapload of work to be done. Megyn Kelly has got her back up because she's not happy with her lifestyle. there's too much stress. I did the work full time thing as a mother, and it sucked. Now that I have a house full of stuff with half an acre to boot, it would suck even more. Sorry, but that's the unpleasant reality. Megyn (sp?) is pissed because deep down she knows they are right. Anyone who disagrees witih me probably doesn't have kids and a house.

462

@ 452 - "I'll just point to thousands of years of crimes, small and large, committed by believers. Let's start with pogroms against Jews by their Judeo-Christian ethic partners. You ever been told you're shit because your people killed Jesus?"

 

 

Ah yes, a variant on the old "Hitler ate sugar" logical fallacy.

 

 

463 450 Apart from Singer and his cultlike followers. (i.e. when was the last time you heard it without someone referencing Singer.) Posted by: tsrblke at May 31, 2013 04:19 PM (GaqMa) ------------------------ January. Singer's name never came up.

464 Thinking men and woman are the same both physically , emotionally and mentally is what is bullshit. Its fine and correctto acknowledge that women are superior at many things but intellectually dishonest to think that men and women are equally capable across the spectrum. Posted by: polynikes at May 31, 2013 04:27 PM (m2CN7) I agree with that, but when it comes to parenting, working, and setting up a good healthy household. There is more than one way.

465 Because my wife likes football and I do not care what color she paints whatever, I just do not get needing an alpha spouse. In parenting we both back the other so the kid can't divide and conquer. @435 The Deuce How can you even measure "tend to be more stable" based on a "dominant spouse"?

466 The problem is the tube.  We should reserve our hectoring of others to the village we reside in.  Otherwise, it just gets to be too much. 

467

EOJ got me again. The coworkers are demanding to know what I'm laughing at. I can't say "Erickson's sloppy cocksocket" out loud, for obvious reasons.

468 Megyn Kelly == Dominatrix? Just asking the questions Ace would love to know the answer, but is too shy to ask. Also, in the "tender years" from birth to kindergarten, if you choose to work you're short changing your kid. That's true of mothers or fathers. Staying at home doesn't put a roof over your kid's head, or food in their belly, so you have competing demands that need balance. What really short changes the kids are the women who procreate with worthless men, then go and try to raise the kid by themselves/with the help of family, friends. I know some like that, and all I can do is shake my head.

469 I agree with that, but when it comes to parenting, working, and setting up a good healthy household. There is more than one way.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at May 31, 2013 04:30 PM (XIxXP)

 

And I agree with that, but I also think there is way that has been proven to be the most desirable and natural.  Again, I agree that other structures can be successful.  I was raised by two working parents.  I have to admit though that I was envious of my friend whose house I went to after school occasionally, who had suzi Qs and milk waiting for him.   

470 Anyone who disagrees witih me probably doesn't have kids and a house. I agree with you SoS I used to freelance part time and it was doable (and that's with a cleaning service). Now I'm FT bc that's how tech is now, you have to be there all hours on your grindaway "Agile Team" so no one is here and nothing gets done. Two ppl with high-responsibility jobs means the HOUSE is neglected - that's not to even start with the kids! I know it's affected them - even with after school tutoring while I'm at work, they both have dropped grades considerably without me home to go over (read: actually teach the crap they're supposedly learning in school). I know it's the fault of me being FT outside the home. Oh well. Being an Xer, I don't really have much choice. We both have to work. End of story. I miss working part time but what I do, it's not an option anymore. I should have been a damn doctor! lol

471 Anecdote is not data.

Posted by: Lemmenkainen, Freelance Warlord at May 31, 2013 04:10 PM (ZWvOb)

Just about every sunday during NFL season there's a story about a player who was raised by his mom or grandma, i'm sure there's lots of stories like that if people looked for them,  sooner or later anecdote becomes data.

Don't get me wrong, i hate the way dads are portrayed as bumbling idiots in popular culture and commercials, they don't get the respect they deserve, but that doesn't mean we should turn around and treat mothers that way.

472 Really a low bar for Megyn to destroy Erickson. He was a boob before CNN hired him, he was a boob when he was an "expert" on CNN, they got rid of him because he was a boob and Fox should never have hired him because (any guesses?) he remains a boob.

473

Posted by: booger at May 31, 2013 04:40 PM (E1tcO)

 

I think Ray Lewis was raised by a single mother.

474 This could be why women are still with Obama.  The other thing being that over 50 percent of the country is on the dole.  In other words,  it's over. 

475 463 @ 452 - "I'll just point to thousands of years of crimes, small and large, committed by believers. Let's start with pogroms against Jews by their Judeo-Christian ethic partners. You ever been told you're shit because your people killed Jesus?"

Ah yes, a variant on the old"Hitler ate sugar" logical fallacy.

Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

Never heard of that.  Now, since you're "vaguebooking", maybe you'll explain what you mean.  While you're at it, explain the Inquisition.  I guess they weren't true Catholics....  Sounds like a variation on "Muslims don't murder, therefore they weren't Muslims".

476

There's plenty of debate to be had here, except for about the fact that Erickson is a dumbass.

 

 

Also, you guys defending libertarianism as being about freedom to exhibit (and be responsible for) your own behavior, and not some sort of endorsement of hedonism, have my vote.

 

 

As to the invocation of "science", one could get heart disease from all the salt one should take all that with. It sounds like Global Warming, all over again.

 

 

This all reminds me of a discussion on Red Eye, where they made fun of a liberal for suddenly discovering something about himself that people have recognized for - well, forever - and then narcissistically patting himself on the back for his Huge Self-realization, when the only reason he didn't recognize the fact in the first place was that he had his head up his ass, and bought into some seriously absurd liberal nonsense. (He then went on to act upon his newfound wisdom in a particularly stupid manner, of course).

 

 

The subject simply cries out for a little common sense, not for the absurdities expounded by the extreme left AND right.

 

477 Posted by: Flatbush Joe at May 31, 2013 04:16 PM (ZPrif) I apologize to you and tcn. I felt like Mrs. Sailors goodness was being assualted. I may have over reacted a bit.

478 I've succeeded, because I've always known I was born to dominate your sex, and avenge my own.

479 I think Ray Lewis was raised by a single mother.

Posted by: polynikes at May 31, 2013 04:42 PM (m2CN7)

Well, he did have a pretty successful life outside of the whole murder thing.......... 

480 476 463 @ 452 - "I'll just point to thousands of years of crimes, small and large, committed by believers. Let's start with pogroms against Jews by their Judeo-Christian ethic partners. You ever been told you're shit because your people killed Jesus?" Ah yes, a variant on the old"Hitler ate sugar" logical fallacy. Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus Never heard of that. Now, since you're "vaguebooking", maybe you'll explain what you mean. While you're at it, explain the Inquisition. I guess they weren't true Catholics.... Sounds like a variation on "Muslims don't murder, therefore they weren't Muslims". Posted by: SFGoth at May 31, 2013 04:43 PM (dZ756) The inquisition was not about persecuting jews or Muslims and concerned heresy among Catholics, typically in the case of accusing converted Jews of still practicing Judaism. When the Spanish crown started using it as a tool for their own means is when it got out of hand. And it again settled down after the church reasserted it's power over it.

481 The inquisition was not about persecuting jews or Muslims and concerned heresy among Catholics, typically in the case of accusing converted Jews of still practicing Judaism. When the Spanish crown started using it as a tool for their own means is when it got out of hand. And it again settled down after the church reasserted it's power over it. Posted by: Buzzion

And there weren't any Jews or Muslims left.  However, you are rather making my point.  The Spanish crown were believers, no? 

What about the whole pederasty thing with the Catholic church?

482 dont forget the pregnancies that lead to failed abortions that lead to the inevitable infanticide because: a) abortion doctors arent very good at what they do (they dont provide health care to women-saying they provide health care to women is like saying timothy mcveigh provided building demolition services in oklahoma) and b) leftist liberals like obama vote against legislation like the born alive infant protection act

483 Erick Erickson makes me want to punch puppies.

Please, ace, don't give him any more attention.  He already thinks enough of himself as it is.

484 Sorry, didnt mean to disappear. My 3 year old poured a gallon of milk onto the carpet while I was upstairs nursing the baby! Clearly an argument for 12th trimester abortion, right Singerites?

485 >>>>What about the whole pederasty thing with the Catholic church? Pretty good argument of why you don't let gay guys be around young boys.

486

When people defend the fact that the workplace is being overrun with women, you know society is going down the crapper.

Men are not better than women. Women are not better than men. But men are the ones who build up civilization, while women make civilization nice to live in. Society is much, much better off when you have a dad who works and a mother whose primary job to tend to the house and take care of the kids. And I don't give two flying fucks if that makes me a sexist pig.

487 487 >>>>What about the whole pederasty thing with the Catholic church?

Pretty good argument of why you don't let gay guys be around young boys. Posted by: Buzzion

All gay huh?  You'd think that the Catholic Church, having a hotline to God, would have a homo detector.

488 Sex outside of marriage will lead, inevitably, to two things: Actually 3, if the child is given up for adoption. I detest when people start mentioning "studies prove.. blah, blah, blah". Who did the study? How large was group? Who funded the study? Was there a control group? How long did they follow the study group? Was it a study of 4 families studied for 6 months financed by a group to "prove" a particular point, or was it a study of 5,000 families, with an equal sized control group followed for 30 years financed by a group with no skin in the game? Biologically, women are designed to bear children and are the only ones naturally equipped to feed the baby. There might be a clue in there somewhere, at the very least, a very strong argument in favor of 3-6 months of paid maternity leave.

489 Jodie Foster stetched across a pinball machine.

490 While Erickson was not the best advocate, I wasn't wildly impressed with Kelly's arguments, which, at best, were tendentious quotes of an APA study and her screeching about being "offended." It was an ambush of poorly prepared guests. True, they should have been prepared (and it's obvious that Erickson's role seems to be that of the Washington Generals), but it hardly makes her very credible.

491 Beagle:

"How can you even measure "tend to be more stable" based on a "dominant spouse"?"

One way would be "doesn't come apart completely" and "is primary breadwinner":
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/women_divorce_cur_SfyEHTdYT8khsy625mbJOL

492 >>>
Never heard of that. Now, since you're "vaguebooking", maybe you'll explain what you mean. While you're at it, explain the Inquisition. I guess they weren't true Catholics.... Sounds like a variation on "Muslims don't murder, therefore they weren't Muslims".

Posted by: SFGoth at May 31, 2013 04:43 PM (dZ756)

 

What's your point? I can point to times (many times) when Jews and Atheists also commited atrocities in the name of their religions. We can play this game until we all agree that all humanity is just generally terribly.

493

Sorry Ace, can't seem to extricate myself from the "Attempt to Dominate Megyn Kelly" fantasy...

 

um, give me an hour guys.

494

ah crap:

 

490 ...women...are the only ones naturally equipped to feed the baby.

 

great, now I gotta deal this that, too...

495 Guy from red state is right. Dobbs is a douche Megan needs something to do that suits her gender.

496 Hmmm, I think Megyn is upset because this viewpoint addresses her own choice to be a working mother of very little ones ...  but for thousands of years the "purpose" of marriage was man ---> woman ---> procreation, and the original "design" of family raising was that mom was primary caregiver, since she housed the baby in her body and usually was there to safely tend them into toddlerhood and beyond.

And does anyone think kids will be happier nurtured by their moms vs. daycare?  I do.  Moms are almost always the best choice.  Dads are necessary too -- VERY -- and grandmas are nice to have around.  And either is obviously better than day care.  But if you are talking about what is BEST for the kids, how about an at-home mom who gets the kids on and off the bus, helps with homework and goes to every school event, lovingly tends to their father, and oversees a happy home (not stressed out from working all day and throwing Hamburger Helper or fast food on a plate because of it) -- t'would seem to be an arrangement most kids would want.  And that many of us had!  (and many of our kids don't)

Oh, and traditional mom and dad roles are best case scenario for humans.  All humans.  Why did she feel the need to bring up past idiocy such as racism and fools thinking children of different races are different?    I see liberals do this all the time -- change the subject and use something disgusting or hateful or wrong to try to paint a topic with the same brush.  It's just as frustrating when a non-liberal, as I'm guessing Megyn is, does it.

497 Once Megyn Kelly felt she was being personally criticized, any rational discussion went out the window.  And I can certainly understand.  No one enjoys feeling judged for their life choices.

But is it really anathema now to hold the opinion that moms staying home with their children instead of having a daycare raise them would be a healthier option for the children?  Most people understand that that's not always possible, but it really shouldn't be something that causes people to gasp in shock. 

I don't appreciate when people on either side get flummoxed when someone doubles down on their opinion instead of acting chastened just because someone disagreed with them.

498 Seems that Lou Dobbs made some pretty good points to me. 

499 500 Seems that Lou Dobbs made some pretty good points to me.

Posted by: Reggie1971 at May 31, 2013 08:47 PM (8cOY0)

Please elaborate, Reggie1971.  What "good points" do you mean?

Mew

500 498 Hmmm, I think Megyn is upset because this viewpoint addresses her own choice to be a working mother of very little ones ... but for thousands of years the "purpose" of marriage was man ---> woman ---> procreation, and the original "design" of family raising was that mom was primary caregiver, since she housed the baby in her body and usually was there to safely tend them into toddlerhood and beyond.

Posted by: MyKidzMom at May 31, 2013 07:48 PM (UWPIW)

Bull.  Prior to the 1950s, the "normal model" had the couple surrounded by aunts, uncles, cousins, and grandparents - you're arguing the "nuclear family" (which is remarkably new and revolutionary in historical terms) as "normal" when it *clearly never was*!

When Libs pull this bull, it's "revisionist history" .. what is it when you do it?

Mew

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Specifically his comments about a stastically greater likelyhood of negative psychological effects being experienced from single parent households, especially with regards to boys.

 

502 Megyn Kelly needs a spanking. And I didn't see any sandwich-making going on in the video.

503 Ace thank you for your extremely helpful if not brilliant remarks on social conservatism and whether to stick up for it or not. It completely is about the children, and it says a lot about us that conservatives have been buffaloed trying to defend it without sounding like a bunch of Victorians for so long. Not that this means men have to be "dominant"--my jaw dropped when I heard Erickson say that.

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Specifically his comments abouta stastically greater likelyhood of negative psychological effectsbeing experienced from single parent households, especially with regards to boys.

Posted by: Reggie1971 at May 31, 2013 10:15 PM (8cOY0)

Please go re-read the first three paragraphs Ace wrote, Reggie1971. 

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505 I could not agree more!

Dr C Robert Jones