April 04, 2013

Marco Rubio May Walk From Gang of Eight?
— Ace

According to this report, he may have decided he'll get credit enough for trying to work with the Open Borders committee.

In other words, itÂ’s a lot easier to walk away, basically unscathed, and portray himself as the reasonable guy who genuinely wanted reform but couldnÂ’t negotiate with the unreasonable Democrats, than it is to stick around and actually get the bill done.

If he does walk away, it would be great boon to the Rational side of the immigration debate. We could put him forward as The Guy Who Tried to Broker a Deal with the Open Borders Committee, But Who Was Thwarted At Every Turn.


Posted by: Ace at 03:41 PM | Comments (467)
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1 It's a trap, Ace. The garbage is bushwhacked.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at April 04, 2013 03:41 PM (QupBk)

2 If he's  wants to get support from the base he'd better RUN away from those assholes.

Posted by: Minnfidel at April 04, 2013 03:42 PM (u0Z3Y)

3 Do it!

Posted by: Serious Cat at April 04, 2013 03:42 PM (UOjzE)

4 Heh.  Roger Ebert has slipped the mortal coil.

Posted by: RushBabe at April 04, 2013 03:42 PM (orY9d)

5

Marco  Rubio  is  un-hip.

Posted by: Geraldo Rivera at April 04, 2013 03:43 PM (wIgpo)

6 Roger Ebert has slipped the mortal coil. What?!?

Posted by: the thread five down at April 04, 2013 03:43 PM (QupBk)

7 I am so glad I have not been paying attention to this.

Posted by: elizabethe at April 04, 2013 03:44 PM (qPCAa)

8 Yes, but where does he stand on gay marriage for not yet legal citizens?

Posted by: Stateless_Infidel at April 04, 2013 03:44 PM (AC0lD)

9 But what does his garbage-water tell you?

Posted by: Truman North at April 04, 2013 03:44 PM (I2LwF)

10 Posted by: RushBabe at April 04, 2013 07:42 PM (orY9d) ZOMG

Posted by: Some Guy Living Under a Rock at April 04, 2013 03:45 PM (csi6Y)

11 I think Rubio is smart enough that he sees the writing on the wall and that, hmm gee. Maybe the very people that vote for him might not be exactly thrilled with his cozying up to the RINO's and fucktards on the left.

Posted by: Minnfidel at April 04, 2013 03:45 PM (u0Z3Y)

12 I blame Rubio for giving the veneer of legitimacy to yet another "Gang of whatever."  We all knew this sham committee was going the statists' way: total democrat registration -- and Rubio was too green to realize it.  Well, the damage is done, Marco.  IMHO you look like a naïve climber.

Posted by: RushBabe at April 04, 2013 03:45 PM (orY9d)

13 RE: Roger Ebert Here is how the Baltimore sun is describing him... " ...in his words and in his life he displayed the soul of a poet whose passions and interests extended far beyond the darkened theaters where he spent so much of his professional life."

Posted by: Serious Cat at April 04, 2013 03:46 PM (UOjzE)

14

Report is the new The New Republic.

Are we sure they aren't just trying to preemptively paint Rubio as unreasonable?

Posted by: tsrblke at April 04, 2013 03:46 PM (GaqMa)

15 Yeah, I kind of thought this is what would happen. He really gave them every opportunity to compromise and they sabotaged it. In fact, the Democrats don't even want this. They like having the issue. Rubio walking away gives cover to all other Republicans. Except Grahamnisty. He'll stick on until the bitter end.

Posted by: AmishDude at April 04, 2013 03:46 PM (T0NGe)

16 If someone commits a barrel-worthy act in a dead thread, and there is no one there to see it, did it happen?

Posted by: baldilocks at April 04, 2013 03:46 PM (Su0W2)

17 12 Yep,but he's always been squishy on this issue.

Posted by: steevy at April 04, 2013 03:47 PM (9XBK2)

18 He doesn't want his name on a POS legislation. Can't blame him.

Posted by: sTevo at April 04, 2013 03:47 PM (VMcEw)

19

" ...in his words and in his life he displayed the soul of a poet whose passions and interests extended far beyond the darkened theaters where he spent so much of his professional life."

 

Blech.  Wretch.  Gag some more.

Posted by: RushBabe at April 04, 2013 03:47 PM (orY9d)

20 Well, the damage is done, Marco. I said that when he brought up immigration, for no reason at all, during the election. He's joined Jeb on the list of Republicans I couldn't care less about.

Posted by: toby928© drinks the sweet tea of despair at April 04, 2013 03:47 PM (QupBk)

21 i don't understand why the GOP doesn't fight against amnesty to try win over blue collar guys, who we can get on our side, instead of backing amnesty when there's no chance in hell off it helping us win the Hispanic vote.

Posted by: Lemmenkainen, Freelance Warlord at April 04, 2013 03:47 PM (K1JW0)

22 In other words, itÂ’s a lot easier to walk away, basically unscathed, and portray himself as the reasonable guy who genuinely wanted reform but couldnÂ’t negotiate with the unreasonable Democrats, than it is to stick around and actually get the bill done.

He should run from this, but regardless, he is scathed, very badly scathed.

Posted by: pep at April 04, 2013 03:48 PM (6TB1Z)

23 Does the gang of 8 have the same views on immigration as the gang of M13?

Posted by: dfbaskwill at April 04, 2013 03:48 PM (ndlFj)

24

Rubio already lost a lot of Conservatives....

 

He held this position (essentialy Amnesty) for too long... backtracking now would not do him any good.

Posted by: Romeo13 at April 04, 2013 03:48 PM (lZBBB)

25 Report is the new The New Republic. Are we sure they aren't just trying to preemptively paint Rubio as unreasonable? Doesn't sound right to me. You see, in Washington-speak, these "gangs" are reasonable by definition.

Posted by: AmishDude at April 04, 2013 03:48 PM (T0NGe)

26 Rubio is smart, he's good a politics. Not saying he's 100% morn, but he's one of the few to watch. McCain & Gramsty will be so disappointed.

Posted by: angel with a sword at April 04, 2013 03:48 PM (Fx1VP)

27 Internal polling must not be good.

Posted by: Decaf at April 04, 2013 03:49 PM (wQFNP)

28 Report is the new The New Republic.
Are we sure they aren't just trying to preemptively paint Rubio as unreasonable?

Posted by: tsrblke at April 04, ..........................Well they're gonna do that either way.

Posted by: Minnfidel at April 04, 2013 03:49 PM (u0Z3Y)

29 The guy who tried, but failed? Does not seem like a ringing endorsement. I'm sure the kids in Special Ed class try really hard too.

Posted by: wooga at April 04, 2013 03:49 PM (tzll8)

30 The unions are against amnesty but AFL-CIO is on board,so the buyoff was adequate.

Posted by: steevy at April 04, 2013 03:49 PM (9XBK2)

31

Blech. Wretch. Gag some more.

 

That should be "retch."

 

I don't know what Gene Siskel's political leanings were, but I hope Roger looks up to see Gene laughing at him while the barbed member of Satan has his way with the esteemed Valley of the Dolls II artiste.  /s

Posted by: RushBabe at April 04, 2013 03:50 PM (orY9d)

32 Rubio is smart, he's good a politics.

The evidence for this is very thin.

Posted by: pep at April 04, 2013 03:50 PM (6TB1Z)

33 Tell me. Do homosexuals need jobs? Do they pay taxes? Are they crushed under the burden of the regulatory State? Are they not in need of schools, of policemen, of firefighters? Do they not have the god-given right to own and carry a gun to protect their person and loved ones from crime? Do they have the right to choose andoctor without worrying about what some bureaucrat up on Beacon Hill has to say about it? Democrats, and our friends in the press, have taken the tiniest slice of life for a homosexual and blown it up out of all proportion. Because they know, as you do, that in every single case, republicans are right on jobs, right on taxes, right on civil rights, and right on individual liberty, and the democrats only want your vote. ...that's how you answer the gay marriage question

Posted by: Truman North at April 04, 2013 03:51 PM (I2LwF)

34

In any event, I wonder what's going to be left to preside over in 2017...

Posted by: Stateless_Infidel at April 04, 2013 03:51 PM (AC0lD)

35 Ebert gets the glowing eulogy because he had the right politics.Simple.

Posted by: steevy at April 04, 2013 03:51 PM (9XBK2)

36

Posted by: Truman North at April 04, 2013 07:51 PM (I2LwF)

 

If you prick a homosexual, does he not....

Posted by: Stateless_Infidel at April 04, 2013 03:52 PM (AC0lD)

37 Meh. This guy sort of worries me. Mormon as a kid? Too smart by half? Not only that he's a short fucker, almost as short as an Ewok, so you know that's not good.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at April 04, 2013 03:52 PM (wR+pz)

38 It's not like its the posturing of a craven politician trying to have it both ways or anything.

Posted by: zsasz at April 04, 2013 03:53 PM (MMC8r)

39 soul of a poet

The secret of the movie is that it doesn't strain

Here comes the little brown choo-choo train.

Posted by: oblig. at April 04, 2013 03:53 PM (cePv8)

40 Better late than never.

But no, I still don't trust him.

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at April 04, 2013 03:53 PM (QTHTd)

41 I kind of thought Roger was dead, my dick got cold.

Posted by: Barney at April 04, 2013 03:53 PM (wR+pz)

42

Rubio already lost a lot of Conservatives....

 

Conservatives didn't take kindly to McCain's membership of the Gang of Fourteen, where did Marco think that a Gang of Eight was better? 

 

Lie down with dogs, get up with fleas. 

 

 

Posted by: Decaf at April 04, 2013 03:53 PM (wQFNP)

43 There's no such thing as immigration reform.  You either support amnesty, or border control, or you support nothing at all.

Anything else is a big "fuck you" and a lie.

Posted by: Fritz at April 04, 2013 03:53 PM (WM+rJ)

44 12 I blame Rubio for giving the veneer of legitimacy to yet another "Gang of whatever." We all knew this sham committeewas going the statists' way: total democrat registration -- and Rubio was too green to realize it. Well, the damage is done, Marco. IMHO you look like a naïve climber. Posted by: RushBabe at April 04, 2013 07:45 PM (orY9d) Counterpoint: Rubio realized he fucked up and he wants to back out cleanly without alienating those supporters of his who want him to push for this. So he is demanding enough time for us to melt the fucking phone lines and defeat this POS.

Posted by: Truman North at April 04, 2013 03:53 PM (I2LwF)

45 Still have to give the MFM a bloody nose before you can "frame" anything. Otherwise, they do the framing.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i][/b][/s][/u] at April 04, 2013 03:54 PM (bxiXv)

46 Sorry, I need to drag this over from the other thread: "Geraldo's stupid is not adequate from the headline. To quote: Aside from un-hip, using 'illegal alien' or 'illegals' to describe undocumented immigrants reveals bias like using 'negro' or 'homosexual' — Geraldo Rivera (@GeraldoRivera) April 04, 2013 'Homosexual' is biased? The actual, you know, term is biased?"

Posted by: zsasz at April 04, 2013 03:54 PM (MMC8r)

47

And this is someones opinion of what he MIGHT do....

 

So.... we're talking about a pundits opinion... not a fact....

 

When a smart military blog could be talking about why we only had ONE F'N Destroyer to send as extra muscle to Korea???

 

(and thats a destroyer whose anti ship capabilities, have shorter range than any other modern missle system out there?).

Posted by: Romeo13 at April 04, 2013 03:55 PM (lZBBB)

48 46 So,we should call them fags than?

Posted by: steevy at April 04, 2013 03:55 PM (9XBK2)

49 Tell me. Do homosexuals need jobs? Not in the main. According to a study released in January by Prudential, their median household income is $11,000 higher than the general population's. ...that's how you answer the gay marriage question Nope. They don't care. Liberalism is all about making you feel good. You don't feel good about indirect economic effects that come from a growing economy. You feel good about giving people stuff from the goodness of somebody else's heart. You want to answer the gay marriage question? Remind them that women are the beneficiaries of marriage, that all "spousal benefits" are geared toward child-bearing women and that women are at a huge advantage in divorce proceedings. All of that goes away with "marriage equity". You might say that supporters of gay marriage are misogynistic. Attack their self-righteousness, that's how you defeat liberals.

Posted by: AmishDude at April 04, 2013 03:56 PM (T0NGe)

50 I think this was Rubio's plan all along.

Posted by: gastorgrab at April 04, 2013 03:56 PM (FX38i)

51 36 Posted by: Truman North at April 04, 2013 07:51 PM (I2LwF) If you prick a homosexual, does he not.... Ex-fucking-zactly. You win by making them realize how stupid they are for making this AN issue, let alone the central issue.

Posted by: Truman North at April 04, 2013 03:56 PM (I2LwF)

52 Cue Hector spaz-out in 5, 4, 3, ...

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at April 04, 2013 03:56 PM (mN8D3)

53 He should run from this, but regardless, he is scathed, very badly scathed. Posted by: pep at April 04, 2013 07:48 PM (6TB1Z) Evidence, outside of Hot Gas and here?

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 74% more DOOM! at April 04, 2013 03:56 PM (FsUAO)

54 [Scratches beard] A Republican making a smart political move? I'm skeptical.

Posted by: joncelli at April 04, 2013 03:57 PM (CWlPF)

55 I think this was Rubio's plan all along. A disturbing thought.

Posted by: toby928© drinks the sweet tea of despair at April 04, 2013 03:57 PM (QupBk)

56 rubio is a racist. and i was going to vote for him and maybe ron paul. but now . no republican ever.

Posted by: channeling hector at April 04, 2013 03:57 PM (nqBYe)

57 Rubio is human and will do what he will do.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at April 04, 2013 03:57 PM (smU88)

58 *Rides into the room on a skateboard kite.*

*Swings from the chandelier.*

*Draws golden sword*

*Chants*

Rubio, Rubio, Rubio!

*Everyone stares open-mouthed and wonders who this joker is.*

Posted by: bonhomme at April 04, 2013 03:57 PM (mdWXf)

59 Not a Rubio fan per se, but he'll do just fine assuming he doesn't go along with an Amnesty Ramthrough.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 74% more DOOM! at April 04, 2013 03:57 PM (FsUAO)

60 >>Not only that he's a short fucker, almost as short as an Ewok, so you know that's not good.

To be a tall guy, I have had a disproportionate number of short friends over the years. All have been feisty as hell, many have something to prove. I like a strong personality like that.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at April 04, 2013 03:57 PM (4Mv1T)

61 AmishDude: you are making an intellectual argument. Using facts doesn't work. Even though you are 110% right, none of that makes them stop asking the question.

Posted by: Truman North at April 04, 2013 03:57 PM (I2LwF)

62

And this is someones opinion of what he MIGHT do....

So.... we're talking about a pundits opinion... not a fact....

 

There are such things as tip-offs, a trial balloon, test the waters.  Quite often tip-offs turn out to be right.

Posted by: Decaf at April 04, 2013 03:58 PM (wQFNP)

63 weft cut-loop,  : )

Posted by: willow at April 04, 2013 03:58 PM (nqBYe)

64 I was always worried I would get aid with that Elbert fucker. He married a fat Black girl, and she never wanted to watch. I took that as a bad sign.

Posted by: Barney at April 04, 2013 03:58 PM (wR+pz)

65 Ex-fucking-zactly. You win by making them realize how stupid they are for making this AN issue, let alone the central issue.

 

 

Posted by: Truman North at April 04, 2013 07:56 PM (I2LwF)

 

 

My favorite is when they start talking about the 'children of Gay Couples'...

 

WHUT???? Since when can Gays have kids???? and what does this do to the other BIOLOGICAL Parents Rights?

Posted by: Romeo13 at April 04, 2013 03:58 PM (lZBBB)

66 Pfffft.

Typical racist white hispanic.

Posted by: MFM at April 04, 2013 03:58 PM (voeac)

67 OK, some strange comments here. It's not Friday yet, people!

Posted by: Eaton Cox at April 04, 2013 03:59 PM (q177U)

68 The flaw in Ace's thinking is the underestimation of the extremely short memory of The People. To paraphrase Eddie Murphy, we live in a What Have You Done For Me, Lately nation now. More to the point: What Have You Done That Made It Into The Last News Cycle? People today have an attention span of one, maybe two news cycles.

Posted by: Soothsayer at April 04, 2013 03:59 PM (/v7wy)

69 Well, McColl is a short little fucker, and you don't want to fuck with him. Axe the Citizen and Southern X bankers.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at April 04, 2013 03:59 PM (wR+pz)

70 I hope he won't lose Kraze's support over this

Posted by: TheQuietMan at April 04, 2013 03:59 PM (YD1Rl)

71

I think Rubio walked into this immigration reform trap in good faith. I believe he genuinely believes an 'eventual path to citizenship' approach is the most pragmatic, workable approach, and that he--like Paul Ryan with his budget plan--was doing what he thought was the right thing to do. I admire principled leaders willing to risk political capital on important issues even if I disagree with their particular stand on this or that issue.

 

However, if Rubio makes this big dramatic show of walking away from this sorry business and then later votes for legislation so close to it as to be indistinguishable, then I'll know Rubio's a phony, and that his refusal was just dog and pony for the cameras.

Posted by: troyriser at April 04, 2013 04:00 PM (vtiE6)

72 58 *Rides into the room on a skateboard kite.*

*Swings from the chandelier.*

*Draws golden sword*

*Chants*

Rubio, Rubio, Rubio!  

*Everyone stares open-mouthed and wonders who this joker is.*  
 

Posted by: bonhomme at April 04, 2013 07:57 PM (mdWXf)

 

Oh.... that is so dangerous....

Posted by: Don't mess with me, I'm a LAWYER... at April 04, 2013 04:00 PM (lZBBB)

73 'Homosexual' is biased? The actual, you know, term is biased?" Posted by: zsasz at April 04, 2013 07:54 PM (MMC8r) "My wife is Mexican" "Gah! Isn't there a better word you could use?" Didn't Tingles say something like this a while back?

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 74% more DOOM! at April 04, 2013 04:00 PM (FsUAO)

74 I think this was Rubio's plan all along. I think Rubio had specific things he would accept, particularly the enforcement triggers. But I think he realized pretty quickly that the Dems would be intransigent.

Posted by: AmishDude at April 04, 2013 04:01 PM (T0NGe)

75 "but couldnÂ’t negotiate with the unreasonable Democrats"

but isn't it better to talk than fight..? Nah

Posted by: mallfly at April 04, 2013 04:01 PM (bJm7W)

76 I think we should declare it Friday. Fuck everyone is off the wall already and it's not even ONT.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at April 04, 2013 04:01 PM (wR+pz)

77

Rubio is smart, he's good a politics.

The evidence for this is very thin.

I think Rubio was co-opted by McLame and Lady Linseed from the get-go.  Not as bad as Kelly Ayotte has been to McLame  (the R version of  Gillibrand is to Shmucky Schooooma), but he's in their camp.

Posted by: RushBabe at April 04, 2013 04:01 PM (orY9d)

78 one point i always hate about this discussion is the changing to just immigrants by those advocating for new dem voters.

they always conflate the two issues, one of which is no issue immigrants ,into being the same as illegal immigration.

i know why, but it's hard to fight from the beginning the  absurdness of the initial lie and the unwillingness of those you are trying to reason with mushing both together.

Posted by: willow at April 04, 2013 04:02 PM (nqBYe)

79 To be a tall guy, I have had a disproportionate number of short friends over the years. All have been feisty as hell, many have something to prove. I like a strong personality like that.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at April 04, 2013 07:57 PM (4Mv1T)

 

I hated you long, lanky bastards on road marches in the Army. Your kind would lope along, covering ground with a leisurely stroll, while I'd have to truck along like a centipide, practically running the whole way. Life ain't fair.

Posted by: troyriser at April 04, 2013 04:03 PM (vtiE6)

80 77 Rubio is smart, he's good a politics.The evidence for this is very thin. I thinkRubio was co-opted by McLame and Lady Linseed from the get-go. Not as bad as Kelly Ayotte has been to McLame (the R version of Gillibrand is to Shmucky Schooooma), but he's in their camp. Posted by: RushBabe at April 04, 2013 08:01 PM (orY9d) I don't believe this wholly, but he is "more establishment" than Cruz/Rand, there's no doubt. I'd still take Rubio as the establishment's choice over the establishments last 5+ choices though.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 74% more DOOM! at April 04, 2013 04:03 PM (FsUAO)

81 Even though you are 110% right, none of that makes them stop asking the question. More bluntly: Say they hate women. Frankly, this is one of those issues where my opposition has been formed by the assholishness of the supporters. And the fact that they went to court. There's nothing that ruins our society like judges getting involved.

Posted by: AmishDude at April 04, 2013 04:04 PM (T0NGe)

82 >>>Fuck everyone is off the wall already and it's not even ONT.

Since the Norks promised to blow up Graceland and Disneyland, and the HQ started running the new format of "All Ghey, All Day, 24/7", the Horde has been whipped into a friggin frenzy.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at April 04, 2013 04:04 PM (4Mv1T)

83 I think Rubio had specific things he would accept, particularly the enforcement triggers. But I think he realized pretty quickly that the Dems would be intransigent. This suggests a naivete on his part that's unbecoming of a politician. What incentive does the Democratic side have to allow any enforcement? Politics is about who gets what. If Rubio imagined that the Democrats would do anything because it's the right thing, he's too young to be on this stage.

Posted by: toby928© drinks the sweet tea of despair at April 04, 2013 04:04 PM (QupBk)

84 'The Co-option of Marco Rubio' will be back after these messages.

Posted by: zsasz at April 04, 2013 04:04 PM (MMC8r)

85 Rubio is in big trouble. Rand is tracking populist, and with it will be on cruise control to a landslide primary and Presidential victory. Meanwhile, Rubio has been batting 1000 on issues that are despised by the primary base, and are anti-populist. What's Rubios real play here? Tricky to say, but I'm guessing he bought into beltway bullshit, got out of the loop for a while and rediscovered how deeply unpopular this shit is. Watch for Rubio to try to play the anti-insider card real soon, sorta like McCain did long ago.

Posted by: Hopeless at April 04, 2013 04:05 PM (dNkDl)

86

I think Rubio walked into this immigration reform trap in good faith. I believe he genuinely believes an 'eventual path to citizenship' approach is the most pragmatic, workable approach, and that he--like Paul Ryan with his budget plan--was doing what he thought was the right thing to do.

 

Why do we owe illegals anything? 

 

There are scads of people who have been waiting in line for YEARS who didn't sneak in, who are going about this the right way.  The left DEMANDS amnesty because it will give them a one-party lock on U.S. politics forever.

Posted by: RushBabe at April 04, 2013 04:05 PM (orY9d)

87 So which dream act was He opposed to , ?
i believe there are 3 versions .

Posted by: willow at April 04, 2013 04:05 PM (nqBYe)

88

Short Guy Hall Of Fame: Simo Haya (5'3") aka 'The White Death'. Audie Murphy (5'6"). Ulysses S. Grant (5'7"). Frank Sinatra (5'7").

 

Beat that, beanpoles.

Posted by: troyriser at April 04, 2013 04:05 PM (vtiE6)

89

Posted by: willow at April 04, 2013 08:02 PM (nqBYe)

 

the real debate we should be havining, is on the nature of Citizenship.

 

It wasn't until pretty recently in our history, that you could be a dual citizen in America....

 

And I think we need to put that back.... if you are American... you are NOTHING else... period... no other loyalties...

 

Its funny how the loyalty oath still says you will give up your other citizenship, but it is no longer recognized as binding....

Posted by: Romeo13 at April 04, 2013 04:06 PM (lZBBB)

90 Evidence, outside of Hot Gas and here?

He was always similar to Obama, in the sense that he was a blank screen on whom people projected their fantasies.  This is his first tangle with real politics, and it turns out, he's not very good at it, or at least woefully inexperienced and unclear about his own stature and unperceptive about the motives of others.  He can't pull the blank screen stuff anymore.  He'd better up his game, and fast.

Posted by: pep at April 04, 2013 04:06 PM (6TB1Z)

91 I hated you long, lankybastards on road marches in the Army. Your kind would lope along, covering ground with a leisurely stroll, while I'd have to truck along like a centipide, practically running the whole way. Life ain't fair.

See? I like you already. Diminished height makes for the best personalities as far as I'm concerned.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at April 04, 2013 04:06 PM (4Mv1T)

92 Sorry, he's a fucking moron. Anything involving Linda Grahmnesty and Juan McLame should have told him all he needed to know if he was that smart. Sorry. I am not buying it. His string thin hope now is tor run away from these flaming douchebags and denounce them.

Posted by: Minnfidel at April 04, 2013 04:07 PM (u0Z3Y)

93 I think this will play out like this...

Rubio makes a big stink about unreasonable Dems.

Dems say  OK, OK we'll be reasonable. Here's some bullshit "enforcement first" language in the bill that we all know will never actually be enforced.

Rubio comes back saying, hey look at how bipartisan and shit we all can be when we work together.


Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 04, 2013 04:07 PM (HDgX3)

94 He is wounded, sadly wounded

Posted by: Dept. Of Accuracy Dept. at April 04, 2013 04:08 PM (MhA4j)

95 If O R didn't have Megan on his show, it would collapse. He is getting stupider every fucking day.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at April 04, 2013 04:08 PM (wR+pz)

96 Romeo,  You would think if they want to more than a green card that would be true.


If you feel no loyalty to the welfare of your country why want to be a citizen of the country.


Posted by: willow at April 04, 2013 04:09 PM (nqBYe)

97 I thinkRubio was co-opted by McLame and Lady Linseed from the get-go. Not as bad as Kelly Ayotte has been to McLame (the R version of Gillibrand is to Shmucky Schooooma), but he's in their camp.

Bad enough.

Posted by: pep at April 04, 2013 04:10 PM (6TB1Z)

98 http://bit.ly/Zbm8Uj

NY gun grabbing snake oil sales man.

Posted by: sTevo at April 04, 2013 04:10 PM (VMcEw)

99 Life ain't fair. Posted by: troyriser at April 04, 2013 08:03 PM (vtiE6) So how long have you hated your short fucking parents?

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at April 04, 2013 04:10 PM (wR+pz)

100

Its funny how the loyalty oath still says you will give up your other citizenship, but it is no longer recognized as binding....

 

A recent Pew poll showed a large number of immigrants eligible for U.S. citizenship haven't taken up the offer.  This is the FSA on steroids.

 

http://bit.ly/10gbwaa

Posted by: RushBabe at April 04, 2013 04:11 PM (orY9d)

101 troy, you left out Mr Lee. He wasn't just "hollywood bad."

Posted by: teej at April 04, 2013 04:11 PM (J+V/o)

102 I moved opinion polls on a major issue by 50 points, in 1 day, and forced POTUS and Holder to publicly capitulate to me. How am I not the future of the party?

Posted by: Rand Paul at April 04, 2013 04:11 PM (/1Zl6)

103

Short Guy Hall Of Fame: Simo Haya (5'3") aka 'The White Death'. Audie Murphy (5'6"). Ulysses S. Grant (5'7"). Frank Sinatra (5'7").

Beat that, beanpoles.

Posted by: troyriser at April 04, 2013 08:05 PM (vtiE6)

 

 

Frodo Baggins...what 3 feet and change?

Posted by: USS Diversity at April 04, 2013 04:11 PM (c/58R)

104 So how long have you hated your short fucking parents?

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal ...........................Well, it all started when I was around 10 years old...........

Posted by: Rolloff on Billy Bob's couch at April 04, 2013 04:12 PM (u0Z3Y)

105 Rand is tracking populist, and with it will be on cruise control to a landslide primary and Presidential victory.


The glue is bad for you, dude. You need to just step away from the tube.

Posted by: joncelli at April 04, 2013 04:12 PM (CWlPF)

106 sigh, better leave so i can steam clean the dining room .

Have a nice evening.

Posted by: willow at April 04, 2013 04:13 PM (nqBYe)

107 Frankly, this is one of those issues where my opposition has been formed by the assholishness of the supporters. And the fact that they went to court. There's nothing that ruins our society like judges getting involved. Same here. But we have to be happy warriors on the campaign trail. Nobody who isn't paying attention really thinks gay marriage is all that bad. It's only people who are engaged that have a strong opinion one way or another. The first reson you say it like I said it is to deflect the cleavage. You don't actually give the answer. The second reason is to embarrass the questioner. The third reason is to express "I care about people like you." The fourth reason is to express "I care about gays like you do." It's a very positive message that turns the cleavage around on the questioner and the democrats rather than taking it on the chin wih one or another constituency.

Posted by: Truman North at April 04, 2013 04:14 PM (I2LwF)

108 No problemo. Congress will cover his Latin ass.

Posted by: Ackbar at April 04, 2013 04:15 PM (Cs2tJ)

109

If you feel no loyalty to the welfare of your country why want to be a citizen of the country.

 




 

Posted by: willow at April 04, 2013 08:09 PM (nqBYe)

 

 

For the benefits.... do you know that you can get full on Social Security, and soon Health insurance subsidies, sent to you across the border once you retire back to native Mexico? even though you will not be paying any American taxes on the money?

 

/facepalm

 

 

Posted by: Romeo13 at April 04, 2013 04:15 PM (lZBBB)

110 Life ain't fair.

Posted by: troyriser at April 04, 2013 08:03 PM (vtiE6)

So how long have you hated your short fucking parents?

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at April 04, 2013 08:10 PM (wR+pz)

 

That's the unfairness of it. All of the men in my family--all of them, both sides--are over 6 feet tall. One of my cousins was a fucking 6' 7" center in college basketball. My son is 6'2". Somewhere along the line that particular genetic message was garbled in transmission.

 

I'll get over it eventually. There. I'm over it.

Posted by: troyriser at April 04, 2013 04:15 PM (vtiE6)

111 Mr Road, as a "little guy" who loved sports, I learned very young that the only way I could compete was total effort on every play. Chance in a million shot at that hot smash up the middle? You dive for that sucker every time.

Posted by: teej at April 04, 2013 04:15 PM (cWpCn)

112 Yea, Sorry. Rubio is a fucking idiot to ever get in bed with Linda Grhamnesty and Juan McLame. He walks up to a punchbowl with those two turds floating in it and he decides to take a sip? WTF Marco. Epic fail.

Posted by: Rolloff on Billy Bob's couch at April 04, 2013 04:16 PM (u0Z3Y)

113 Joncelli, Do you think populist sentiment on jobs, banksters, drones, privacy, and guns can pick up 400,000 votes in Ohio, Pennsylvania, etc? I mean seriously. Look at how populist positions, AKA conservativism and not McCain/Romney Liberalism, poll. The question has been, especially since 2010, why the GOP refused to articulate or hold the obvious winning positions. As a mere matter of probability, eventually someone like a senator is going to come along and articulate them for the easy win.

Posted by: Hopeless at April 04, 2013 04:16 PM (GWxXv)

114 Without reading the other comments, this is just my take. Rubio is a spineless opportunist. Seriously. Just what the fuck has he actually done since he's been in office? He tied himself to McCain and now realizes that he may have hitched his wagon to the wrong horse. He only got on board with the Rand filibuster after his office was bombarded with phone calls and emails. He fucked up early on in trying to push through support for Georgia's admission to the UN. He joined in on the gun control filibuster only after Rand, Lee, and Cruz had made an announcement of their intentions. What the hell has Rubio done to deserve his following other than be young and Hispanic?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 04, 2013 04:16 PM (piMMO)

115 102 I moved opinion polls on a major issue by 50 points, in 1 day, and forced POTUS and Holder to publicly capitulate to me.  

How am I not the future of the party?    

Posted by: Rand Paul at April 04, 2013 08:11 PM (/1Zl6)

 

For you are a Heretical Libertarian....

 

UNCLEAN!!!  UNCLEAN!!!!

Posted by: GOP at April 04, 2013 04:17 PM (lZBBB)

116

 Rubio...may...walk away.

 

He may?

Too late.

He put forth his own version of a 'Dream Act' last year, which had a version of Amnesty in it.

 

He can walk away from this now, for political expediency.

But we now know that it's something he wants to do.

 

 

 

Posted by: wheatie at April 04, 2013 04:17 PM (5kUwW)

117 "I hated you long, lankybastards on road marches in the Army. Your kind would lope along, covering ground with a leisurely stroll, while I'd have to truck along like a centipide, practically running the whole way. Life ain't fair." I used to love handing off the guidon to guys like this. :-p

Posted by: Lazarus at April 04, 2013 04:17 PM (q4ggw)

118 Short guy hall of fame, spiders the sizes of faces in the side bar. I'm gonna invest in emu futures.

Posted by: Associated Vermin at April 04, 2013 04:18 PM (HiKk0)

119 109 If you feel no loyalty to the welfare of your country why want to be a citizen of the country.


Posted by: willow at April 04, 2013 08:09 PM (nqBYe)


___________


I don't think most of them do. They want to live and work here. But I don't think most of them give a fuck about citizenship. Aside from voting and being elected to federal office, there's nothing a green card holder can't do that a citizen can. The illegals are here for the money. As long as that keeps coming, why worry about citizenship?

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 04, 2013 04:18 PM (HDgX3)

120 Seriously loving this Marco hate. I'm sticking around for a while.

Posted by: Attila at April 04, 2013 04:19 PM (Cs2tJ)

121 Rubio makes a big stink about unreasonable Dems. Dems say OK, OK we'll be reasonable. Here's some bullshit "enforcement first" language in the bill that we all know will never actually be enforced. No, that won't happen. If he leaves there won't be a "no, no, don't go!"

Posted by: AmishDude at April 04, 2013 04:19 PM (T0NGe)

122 Meant to add...

Only Democrats care about giving them citizenship in the hopes that they will pay them back with a vote. But ask the average illegal and I really doubt he/she cares either way.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 04, 2013 04:19 PM (HDgX3)

123 I don't think most of them do. They want to live and work here. But I don't think most of them give a fuck about citizenship. Aside from voting and being elected to federal office, there's nothing a green card holder can't do that a citizen can. The illegals are here for the money. As long as that keeps coming, why worry about citizenship? Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 04, 2013 08:18 PM (HDgX3) Yep. If you become a US citizen you also lose your native country's passport, sometimes making it harder to visit.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 74% more DOOM! at April 04, 2013 04:19 PM (FsUAO)

124

Today we must all be aware that political expediency and latino ethnicity takes precedence over rule of law and constitutional procedure. However you say – WHAT THE – what does this mean… in relation to the tabulation whereby we must once again realize that the great reconquesta story is now being rehearsed before our very eyes, in the rise of Marco Rubio… indicating that only a two-faced, I mean a bi-faced, I mean a bi-lingual hombre can receive…the award for reconquesta, unlike Kenyan Hussein Obama whose reconquesta plans don’t drink water.

Amigos – comrades – friends, we are gathered here as an edifice of the great glory that is now vanishing and the intuitive feeling, based on the assumption as Mencken once said, “He who underestimates the American voter will never go broke.” This is merely a small indication to behold and to perceive that which has gone way into the behind and to that which might project .. I mean go forward ...  out of the mouth ... i mean ..  the futureÂ…weÂ’ve got to rip up the constitution so we can rip down those outdated borders! Ladies and Gentlemen. The time will come when a first world America will outlive its usefulness. Marx, either Groucho or Karl, I can't remember which, maybe it was both or maybe it was Harpo, once said that America is the opiate of the people. I say that when America outlives its usefulness and becomes a majority latino nation , then opium...will be the opiate...Ahh that's not a bad idea... we are going to need that especially when the booze runs out ...
And the bi-partisan panel, has determined to give the prize to Marco Rubio for his EARNESTYÂ’S RAINBOW. Now EARNESTYÂ’S RAINBOW is a token of this manÂ’s geniusÂ…he told me so himself and repeatedly Â…that he could change perceptions by calling his plan for knocking down those pesky borders EARNESTY Â…in other words, he could have been more specific, but rather than to allude to an articulation of the mundane, he has come to the conclusion that brevity is the importance of our nationÂ’s shallow first world existence. God damn!

Marco Rubio’s . EARNESTY’S RAINBOW – is a small contribution to a certain degree, since there are over seven billion people in the world today. 450 of them … million live in the United States and Mexico which is a very, very small amount compared to those who will be miserable and dying elsewhere…Well, I say that you will be on the road to new horizons, for we who live in a society where citizenship is a commodity and a politician can become a TV personality, it’s not easy to conform if you have any morality…I, I, I said that myself many years ago…
But I do want to thank la Raza…I mean the RNC … I mean the DNC and it’s subsidiary the RNC, the organization for the $1,000 in affirmative action latino scholarships they’ve given out…tonight they took in over $4,000,000, but they do have expenses for their consultants you know, and I think that I have another appointment. I would like to stay here, but for the sake of brevity I, I must leave. I do want to thank you, I want to thank Mr. Ace, who just ran through the auditorium and out a fire exit, and I want to thank Marco Rubio – acting el Presidenta of la Raza Mexiamerica and also Mr. Obama – acting Pharaoh and Drone Commander of the World – and also I want to thank you. ...

Posted by: Prof Irwin Corey at April 04, 2013 04:19 PM (GZmsj)

125 I used to love handing off the guidon to guys like this. :-p

Posted by: Lazarus at April 04, 2013 08:17 PM (q4ggw)

 

Don't misunderstand. I was an M60 gunner, humping that big clunky piece of steel everywhere, but had no problem keeping up. I could, in fact, smoke most big guys over distance. I just had to work harder.

Posted by: troyriser at April 04, 2013 04:20 PM (vtiE6)

126 Yeah. I admire how hard Rubio campaigns. How disciplined he is. Outside of that... Eh

Posted by: Truman North at April 04, 2013 04:21 PM (I2LwF)

127 I seriously doubt him walking away will be reported as "he tried to compromise, but dems wouldn't". I just don't see that as the headline on MSNBC, or any other media.

Posted by: Whatev at April 04, 2013 04:21 PM (A7Wh1)

128 Romeo,  i had not known once you left you could still receive bennies. must.be.nice.

I believe less than half of illegals are from mexico .
so who are the others, i know of a few russian conclaves.

what about illegals from syria, iran , hell wherever?
are they also accounted for?

i have wondered if a path to legality might just include you can be here IF  you get documented you are working a legal job. You have not visited an american jail, you have not collected welfare or  any other govt welfare.etc.etc.

a way to get clarity?

Posted by: willow at April 04, 2013 04:21 PM (nqBYe)

129 Truman, It goes back to my thesis from a few weeks ago. The establishment of the GOP ultimately is pro-liberal, and do makes the choices and decisions that best advance the cause of leftism. Putting together winning messaging, asserting winning policies, etc isn't all that impossibly hard. Rather, the elites/establishment refuse to do so, because it would start rolling back leftism. I suspect that once the momentum shifts against leftism, we may be in for a surprise at how quickly their edifice crumbles. Because it's stretched thin, and they won't be able to pay off all their client-class-members if there is even a tiny rollback.

Posted by: Hopeless at April 04, 2013 04:21 PM (g8+Vr)

130 Thats it Marco. Slip in there and pretend to play with the Rats then slip em the shiv. Just like McStain and Grahamnasty have been doin us for years. gig em!

Posted by: ConcealedKerry or SubMitt at April 04, 2013 04:21 PM (88uda)

131 I hate posting on a zombie thread when I don't realize it is one.

It's like talking to yourself. You feel like a fool.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at April 04, 2013 04:22 PM (Kpn/z)

132

But ask the average illegal and I really doubt he/she cares either way.

 


 

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 04, 2013 08:19 PM (HDgX3)

 

 

Andddd.... most of them really LIKE the idea of Unions...

 

And they trust the US government way more than the Mexican Government.... they LIKE Government..... hell.... look at what keeps getting 'elected' down there?

Posted by: GOP at April 04, 2013 04:22 PM (lZBBB)

133 Yeah I thought that rubio was the one at first but really wtf has he done? Not a gd thing... at least Rand Paul stood up.

Posted by: ET at April 04, 2013 04:22 PM (YpjaN)

134 Even if he walks away (and I don't think he will), he's already shown his true colors by standing with Schumer, in support of a plan that would legalize everybody on Day One, before any new enforcement.  As President, Rubio would be another Bush, going to war with his own base to pass amnesty.  He is a fraud who lied and pretended to be anti-amnesty to get Tea Party support against Crist.  I regret sending him money, and will be Anybody But Rubio in the primaries.

Posted by: Jon (not the troll) at April 04, 2013 04:22 PM (CfjR/)

135

You mean The Guy Who is In Hock With The Open Borders Committee.

Or do you plan to continue holding water (sic) for Rubio?

Who am I kidding - of course you do.

Posted by: MlR at April 04, 2013 04:23 PM (vR2l5)

136 Gang of 6 1/2.

Graham is the 1/2 and he misses the smell of John McCain's ass.

Posted by: Marcus at April 04, 2013 04:23 PM (3ASt1)

137 Hopeless, see Conquest's Third Law

Posted by: Truman North at April 04, 2013 04:23 PM (I2LwF)

138 o man i know i'll be bummed later on delaying the cleaning.

Posted by: willow at April 04, 2013 04:25 PM (nqBYe)

139 Republicans are like your parents.

Democrats are like the guys who cruise around looking to give candy to kids to get them in their van.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at April 04, 2013 04:25 PM (Kpn/z)

140 There was an article recently which talked about Grahamnesty having to specially intercede on behalf of an expensive coastal golf resort in South Carolina.

The PGA tour was coming to town, and the resort supposedly advertised for American workers to apply for the 600-odd jobs required. Grahamnesty claims that they got only 9 applicants and that of the 9, "3 of them failed the drug test".

So Grahamnesty got the resort a special allotment of H-2B low skilled worker visas which allowed them to import 600-odd employees. From _Jamaica_.

Uh, I don't know about you, but if my hiring policies were allegedly ones where workers had to pass a drug test, I doubt I would be looking in da landa da ganja.


Posted by: torquewrench at April 04, 2013 04:25 PM (gqT4g)

141 MSNBC - "Rubio Targets Undocumented Americans" In a stunning slap in the face to the billions of undocumented Americans worldwide Marco Rubio tells them to drop dead by quitting the Gang of 8 .... blah blah blah

Posted by: Whatev at April 04, 2013 04:25 PM (A7Wh1)

142 He is a fraud who lied and pretended to be anti-amnesty to get Tea Party support against Crist. I regret sending him money, and will be Anybody But Rubio in the primaries.

Posted by: Jon (not the troll) at April 04, 2013 08:22 PM (CfjR/)


__________


I disagree that he's a fraud. But even if you were right, he's still 1000X better than Crist.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 04, 2013 04:25 PM (HDgX3)

143 Good. He needs to stay out of it. We only want to negotiate with old white guys.

Posted by: Illegal Immigrants©® at April 04, 2013 04:25 PM (ygAxO)

144 Even if he walks away (and I don't think he will), he's already shown his true colors by standing with Schumer, in support of a plan that would legalize everybody on Day One, before any new enforcement.

Posted by: Jon (not the troll) at April 04, 2013 08:22 PM (CfjR/)


He supported That? is there a link i could find ?

Posted by: willow at April 04, 2013 04:26 PM (nqBYe)

145 I could never vote for Rubio after he shot Lee Harvey Oswald.

Posted by: USS Diversity at April 04, 2013 04:26 PM (c/58R)

146 I give this post 3 pitchforks.

Posted by: Roger Ebert at April 04, 2013 04:26 PM (4cRnj)

147 Oh gee, I see the anti-Hispanic crowd has checked in.

Yes, Rubio's a suspected, die-hard illegal alien lover. Because, ya know, he's Hispanic or something.

So nothing he does is ever based on principle or fact. Just some moron's personal, unfounded  supposition. 

Posted by: Marcus at April 04, 2013 04:26 PM (3ASt1)

148 >>>o man i know i'll be bummed later on delaying the cleaning.

I just take my glasses off and then the place looks spotless.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at April 04, 2013 04:27 PM (4Mv1T)

149 40 There was an article recently which talked about Grahamnesty having to specially intercede on behalf of an expensive coastal golf resort in South Carolina.

The PGA tour was coming to town, and the resort supposedly advertised for American workers to apply for the 600-odd jobs required. Grahamnesty claims that they got only 9 applicants and that of the 9, "3 of them failed the drug test".

So Grahamnesty got the resort a special allotment of H-2B low skilled worker visas which allowed them to import 600-odd employees. From _Jamaica_.

Uh, I don't know about you, but if my hiring policies were allegedly ones where workers had to pass a drug test, I doubt I would be looking in da landa da ganja.


Posted by: torquewrench at April 04, 2013 08:25 PM (gqT4g)



__________


LOL. That's true.


My first reaction when hearing this story was WTF, it takes 900 people to run a PGA tournament? It's a 4 day even fro crying out loud. What are 900 people going to do?

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 04, 2013 04:27 PM (HDgX3)

150 a way to get clarity?

 

 

Posted by: willow at April 04, 2013 08:21 PM (nqBYe)

 

 

The problem is in the HUGE infrastructure which exists for Fraudulent Documents.

 

Here in Central Calif, there are hundreds and hundreds of Social Security Mismatch messeges which go out a day.... yet there is no one ENFORCING Identity theft...

 

But then, when your President is using a Fake Soc Sec Number... I guess you can't expect the Fed Gov to enforce that little law can you....

Posted by: GOP at April 04, 2013 04:27 PM (lZBBB)

151 But even if you were right, he's still 1000X better than Crist. *** Oh hell yeah.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 04, 2013 04:27 PM (piMMO)

152 Something, something slouching towards Bethlehem. Something, something waiting to be born.

Posted by: Eaton Cox at April 04, 2013 04:27 PM (q177U)

153 6 Roger Ebert has slipped the mortal coil. Good. Fuck him.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at April 04, 2013 04:28 PM (NDsAO)

154 I just take my glasses off and then the place looks spotless.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at April 04, 2013 08:27 PM (4Mv1T)


 I would have to make everyone coming over tomorrow wear fuzzy glasses so they wouldn't see!

Posted by: willow at April 04, 2013 04:28 PM (nqBYe)

155 I'll get over it eventually. There. I'm over it. Posted by: troyriser at April 04, 2013 08:15 PM (vtiE6) Well, that sucks. How tall is your mail man? Oh, that was so bad.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at April 04, 2013 04:28 PM (wR+pz)

156 But the answer to the pennyroyal tea the GOP leadership keeps selling us is to replace the GOP leadership. Not the candidates. The actual Committeemen and women who set the calendar, set the platform, pick the "establishment" candidates, and don't fight back becuse they have no skin in the game. And I have said how to do it, here, a billion times.

Posted by: Truman North at April 04, 2013 04:29 PM (I2LwF)

157 Good. He needs to stay out of it. We only want to negotiate with old white guys   morons.

Posted by: ConcealedKerry or SubMitt at April 04, 2013 04:29 PM (88uda)

158 So let's say Rubio is the nominee in 2016. Are we going to go through the same thing we went through in 2012 with howls of HE'S A RINO!!! AND I'M STAYING HOME TO TEACH THE GOP A LESSON!!!

We're fucked already.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 04, 2013 04:29 PM (HDgX3)

159 Don't misunderstand. I was an M60 gunner, humping that big clunky piece of steel everywhere, buthad no problem keeping up. I could, in fact, smoke most big guys over distance. I just had to work harder. Posted by: troyriser at April 04, 2013 08:20 PM (vtiE6) 240B in my case. I loved road marches in basic. Agony and Misery in the a gentle, steady snow in Dec. at Ft. Knox is strangely one of my strongest, most peaceful memories. Maybe I'm just crazy.

Posted by: Lazarus at April 04, 2013 04:30 PM (q4ggw)

160 The problem is in the HUGE infrastructure which exists for Fraudulent Documents.

Here in Central Calif, there are hundreds and hundreds of Social Security Mismatch messeges which go out a day.... yet there is no one ENFORCING Identity theft...

But then, when your President is using a Fake Soc Sec Number... I guess you can't expect the Fed Gov to enforce that little law can you....

Posted by: GOP at April 04, 2013 08:27 PM (lZBBB)


shew, 

yet there is no one ENFORCING Identity theft...


That's rather alarming , and certainly doesn't give faith in our establishments intentions towards american citizens or their welfare.


Posted by: willow at April 04, 2013 04:30 PM (nqBYe)

161 Populist winning position: Who spends your money better, you, or DC? Remember how quickly Obama shut Paul Ryan down over that exact phrase in 2009? It's been poll-tested as a winning phrase. Romney refused to use it? Why? He disagrees. What do you do when Rand starts using phrases like it, or, "you should decide your healthcare, not Obama cronies in the IRS" or "tax and spend liberal" or "the bankers need to be punished for their crimes and the big banks broken up." Face it, that's the only presidential future the GOP has, and its the only hope for 2014 electoral success.

Posted by: Hopeless at April 04, 2013 04:30 PM (62WS0)

162 153 6 Roger Ebert has slipped the mortal coil.

Good. Fuck him.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at April 04, 2013 08:28 PM (NDsAO)


____________


I usually don't speak ill of the dead. In this case, fuck him. If I believed in hell, I'd say may he burn in there for eternity.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 04, 2013 04:30 PM (HDgX3)

163 damn it, i really do have to clean.

i don't want people thinking i let the small kids be slobs.

even though they might be!

Posted by: willow at April 04, 2013 04:31 PM (nqBYe)

164 So let's say Rubio is the nominee in 2016. Are we going to go through the same thing we went through in 2012 with howls of HE'S A RINO!!! AND I'M STAYING HOME TO TEACH THE GOP A LESSON!!! *** Why don't we just make sure he ISN'T the nominee?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 04, 2013 04:31 PM (piMMO)

165 ugh, bye.

Posted by: willow at April 04, 2013 04:32 PM (nqBYe)

166 >>>I would have to make everyone coming over tomorrow wear fuzzy glasses so they wouldn't see!
Posted by: willow{/i]

We bought one of those top of the line dustbusters and my wife loves that thing  She hits the hotspots all over the house, you know the ones I'm talking about, the corners with living dustbunnies.

Then she vacuums about once every three weeks and the place looks great.
And before the 'ettes complain. I clean the shower, do 1/2 the laundry, and manicure a big effin yard.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at April 04, 2013 04:32 PM (4Mv1T)

167 fixed

Posted by: Tobacco Road at April 04, 2013 04:33 PM (4Mv1T)

168 Why don't we just make sure he ISN'T the nominee?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 04, 2013 08:31 PM (piMMO)


__________


Fine. But say he will be the nominee and there's a good chance he will be (not a done deal of course, but a good chance). My fear is it will be 2012/Romeny all over again where a significant amount of cons decide to teach the gop a lesson by electing Hillary.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 04, 2013 04:33 PM (HDgX3)

169 Amnesty? Hey! Sam Houston! Bite me!

Posted by: Zombie Antonio Lopez de Santa Anna at April 04, 2013 04:33 PM (HiKk0)

170

147 Oh gee, I see the anti-Hispanic crowd has checked in.

 

Not "anti-Hispanic"....anti-predator.

 

That's what people are, who break into our country to prey on our system.

 

Posted by: wheatie at April 04, 2013 04:33 PM (5kUwW)

171 Hey NDH, I sent you a DM over on twitter.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at April 04, 2013 04:33 PM (GEICT)

172 158 So let's say Rubio is the nominee in 2016. Are we going to go through the same thing we went through in 2012 with howls of HE'S A RINO!!! AND I'M STAYING HOME TO TEACH THE GOP A LESSON!!! We're fucked already. Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 04, 2013 08:29 PM (HDgX3) But we gotta thump our chest! Until we inevitably go vote for him since he's better than Mitt/McCain/Bush/Dole/HW...

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 74% more DOOM! at April 04, 2013 04:33 PM (FsUAO)

173 Funny how genes work. As long as you got ten fingers and toes, I was good with whatever I got. Course, I DID have a minimum height for prospects, 5'10". Wife lied! She's 5' 9 1/2" Sons are 6'3" and 6'4". I am 6'2", that's my dick, in my dreams.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at April 04, 2013 04:34 PM (wR+pz)

174 If he's the nominee on 2016 I will support him with all my strength.

If I have to grab every breathing human by the short hairs and get them to the polls, I will.

I am done with people playing games and others trolling this site to try and divide people so Democrats win.


Posted by: Marcus at April 04, 2013 04:34 PM (3ASt1)

175 My first reaction when hearing this story was WTF, it takes 900 people to run a PGA tournament? It's a 4 day even fro crying out loud. What are 900 people going to do? Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 04, 2013 08:27 PM (HDgX3) Is there anything this guy does not know? Banging bar babes 50 at a time, etc, etc. Hey, my Thorium Reactor is running a wee bit on the warm side, mind taking a look, Mr. Flint? I'll understand if you're distracted by the latest shenanigans of ZOWIE.

Posted by: Floyd Cramdem at April 04, 2013 04:35 PM (NDsAO)

176 Truman, You ever done any of the Leadership Institute's training?

Posted by: Hopeless at April 04, 2013 04:35 PM (62WS0)

177 Hey NDH, I sent you a DM over on twitter. *** I'll go check it.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 04, 2013 04:36 PM (piMMO)

178 Hey NDH, I sent you a DM over on twitter. **** HA! Is that about the "un-hip" comment he made? He is such an ass.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 04, 2013 04:37 PM (piMMO)

179 No biggie NDH. Ace has already posted on the subject. Lol.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at April 04, 2013 04:37 PM (GEICT)

180

Hey NDH, I sent you a DM over on twitter.

 

Careful with those!

Posted by: Anthony 'Tiny Dancer' Weiner at April 04, 2013 04:37 PM (vN7SY)

181 @175 Moo Moo has never been to a PGA event, fuck there are 900 guys parking cars at Hilton Head.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at April 04, 2013 04:38 PM (wR+pz)

182
He supported That? is there a link i could find ?

Posted by: willow at April 04, 2013 08:26 PM (nqBYe)

That's the Gang of 8 Plan, which they announced at their press conference. Legalize everybody is Step One, enforcement trigger is Step Two, citizenship is Step Three.  The trigger is only for citizenship, they get the amnesty up front. Rubio has signed onto that general plan: Even if he walks away claiming the trigger isn't tough enough, he's still on record as being okay in principle with a plan that gives permanent residency to 11 million before any new enforcement happens. 


Posted by: Jon (not the troll) at April 04, 2013 04:38 PM (CfjR/)

183 HA! Is that about the "un-hip" comment he made? He is such an ass. Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 04, 2013 08:37 PM (piMMO) He had 2 actually. Back to back, within minutes of each other. The immigration one was second and the one everyone focused on. The first one might have actually been dumber.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at April 04, 2013 04:39 PM (GEICT)

184 Troy, one of the most dangerous things about little guys is they are often underestimated. I count on it. Been thinking about a couple of those approx 3'x2'x2' Rubbermaid bins with lids for storing rice, beans, pasta etc in. Semi water tight and easy to grab and load if it comes time to "git". Better ideas if you have them please. Also I started vacuum packing some trail mix up tonight. Lots of chocolate, white chocolate and peanut butter drops along with nuts, raisins etc. in the Great Value Indulgent Trail Mix.

Posted by: teej at April 04, 2013 04:39 PM (/tk/V)

185 Some of us actually vote for the person and not the party. Or worry about what party will be in control or how much worse it will be if we don't vote for someone we don't want to vote for.

Me, I've voted for the lesser of two evils for 40 f'ing years and in my estimation, it's a wash on whether things are better or not.

So from now on I'm voting for who I want in office and if there isn't someone who I want in office then I'm not voting in that office.

Simple, honest. It's called integrity. Berate me for handing elections to Democrats but it's not me that did it, it was the party and how it runs it's campaigns that brought the wrong person to the contest.

I see the mess we're in now yet I voted against Obama every time.

Didn't do a lot of good and made me feel like shit doing it.

Nothing that I've seen in these last few years has changed my mind about that.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at April 04, 2013 04:40 PM (Kpn/z)

186 This is so O/T, but my blood is boiling:

Mooch describes herself as a "single working mother"

http://tinyurl.com/cznm3ct

Kill me now.

No, seriously, Kill Me Now.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 04, 2013 04:41 PM (lVPtV)

187 O R, let Megan run your show. That would make it bearable.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at April 04, 2013 04:41 PM (wR+pz)

188 Moo Moo has never been to a PGA event, fuck there are 900 guys parking cars at Hilton Head.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at April 04, 2013 08:38 PM (wR+pz)


____________


Actually I've been to a few. And most of the people you see there are volunteers. I know since I volunteered once. Very few people are actually employed at these events.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 04, 2013 04:42 PM (HDgX3)

189 5 gallon buckets with reusable lids.

You can store water, food, ammo, clothes etc. They're usually cheaper for the volume than anything you'll find and they're more air/water tight. Or can be made so very easily.

Don't leak either. and come with a convenient carrying handle. Stackable too.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at April 04, 2013 04:42 PM (Kpn/z)

190 He had 2 actually. Back to back, within minutes of each other. The immigration one was second and the one everyone focused on. The first one might have actually been dumber. *** This one?! N Korea is fueling our military industrial complex's hunger for new projects with preposterous threats no one but lobbyists take seriously He is a joke. A long-running joke with a porn 'stache.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 04, 2013 04:42 PM (piMMO)

191 So from now on I'm voting for who I want in office and if there isn't someone who I want in office then I'm not voting in that office.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at April 04, 2013 08:40 PM (Kpn/z)


________

THANK YOU

THANK YOU

THANK YOU

Posted by: President Elect Hillary Clinton at April 04, 2013 04:43 PM (HDgX3)

192 I don't buy that Rubio is an unprincipled sleaze.  What I do buy is that he's young, inexperienced, and badly needs seasoning.  He's a long way from someone who should be talked about as a presidential prospect.  But if he is the nom in '16, I'll vote for him with bells on. 

Posted by: pep at April 04, 2013 04:43 PM (6TB1Z)

193 8 Yes, but where does he stand on gay marriage for not yet legal citizens?

Posted by: Stateless_Infidel at April 04, 2013 07:44 PM (AC0lD)

 

*************************

oooor what if one partner of a gay couple decided to have a sex change and then it's a hetero couple and then they decide to get a divorce and they had moved from a state that HAD gay marriage but it wasn't recognized in the state they want to get a divorce in?

 

 

Where does he stand on THAT?

Posted by: Guido-Chair Dept. of Squid Diversity at April 04, 2013 04:44 PM (NQq8e)

194 They named an island after Paris Hilton?

Posted by: Hanoverfist at April 04, 2013 04:44 PM (HiKk0)

195 Hey, my Thorium Reactor is running a wee bit on the warm side, mind taking a look, Mr. Flint? I'll understand if you're distracted by the latest shenanigans of ZOWIE.

Posted by: Floyd Cramdem at April 04, 2013 08:35 PM (NDsAO)


_____________


I have absolutely no idea what you said. Care to translate to English?

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 04, 2013 04:44 PM (HDgX3)

196 This one?! N Korea is fueling our military industrial complex's hunger for new projects with preposterous threats no one but lobbyists take seriously He is a joke. A long-running joke with a porn 'stache. Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 04, 2013 08:42 PM (piMMO) Yup. The immigration one is laughable in its stupidity, but I think that one shows a seriously dangerous level of ignorance and incomprehension. And he's informing people for a living.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at April 04, 2013 04:46 PM (GEICT)

197 192 I don't buy that Rubio is an unprincipled sleaze. What I do buy is that he's young, inexperienced, and badly needs seasoning. He's a long way from someone who should be talked about as a presidential prospect. But if he is the nom in '16, I'll vote for him with bells on.

Posted by: pep at April 04, 2013 08:43 PM (6TB1Z)

 

 

Yeah, he ain't no community organizer, that's for sure....

Posted by: Stateless_Infidel at April 04, 2013 04:46 PM (AC0lD)

198
   In other news, it has been discovered that there exists a Complete Handbook Of Racial Codewords.


    The title is   Websters Unabridged Dictionary.

Posted by: irongrampa at April 04, 2013 04:47 PM (SAMxH)

199 >>>damn it, i really do have to clean.

i don't want people thinking i let the small kids be slobs.

even though they might be!

It is hard being a single working mom. Trust me I don't know how I do it...

Posted by: M'chelle Obama at April 04, 2013 04:47 PM (voeac)

200 Just another opportunistic, evolving politician. No spine or commitment. Hell, he offered his own version of an amnesty bill. Why is walking away from this version some kind of exculpatory event?

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at April 04, 2013 04:47 PM (0Vc6l)

201 Posted by: President Elect Hillary Clinton at April 04, 2013 08:43 PM (HDgX3)

NO. jackass. It's not MY fault if the Republican party can't field someone who I'd be willing to vote for.

it's them and people like you who empower them to make wrong decisions about who they'll let run, who they'll fund and who they support.

It's not MY fault NOR is it MY fault that a Democrat wins over their pathetic excuse for a candidate.

Since I would only vote for someone who I feel would strongly represent what I believe needs to done, I don't see how it would be MY fault that they nominate a loser.

So Fuck you and the white smug horse you rode in on.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at April 04, 2013 04:48 PM (Kpn/z)

202 Yup. The immigration one is laughable in its stupidity, but I think that one shows a seriously dangerous level of ignorance and incomprehension. And he's informing people for a living. *** It's sad to imagine that there are people who turn to him for information.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 04, 2013 04:48 PM (piMMO)

203 It's sad to imagine that there are people who turn to him for information.

I know, right?

Posted by: Jon Stewart at April 04, 2013 04:49 PM (6TB1Z)

204 "Mexico will consume us."

Posted by: James K. Polk 11th President of the United States at April 04, 2013 04:49 PM (p4U6S)

205

 Bitter Clinger and All That at April 04, 2013 08:48 PM (Kpn/z)

 

its people like you who made me a two term POTUS. Thank you my young padawan

Posted by: Barak Obama at April 04, 2013 04:50 PM (VrVBw)

206 Ha! I just read EOJ's response to Geraldo: What a commie pinko Synthetic Mexican fruitbat you are. Could you stuff any more lefty clichés into 140 characters?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 04, 2013 04:50 PM (piMMO)

207 What a commie pinko Synthetic Mexican fruitbat you are. Could you stuff any more lefty clichés into 140 characters? Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 04, 2013 08:50 PM (piMMO) Yeah, it was hysterical. And Geraldo never responds to anyone. I think he just drops those little pearls and bolts.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at April 04, 2013 04:52 PM (GEICT)

208

The CBC has been on a 'big story' all day about people keeping money off-shore, and of course, anyone that does this is immoral, unethical, horribly rich and is ripping government food out of the hands of starving, cute children.

 

But there's a great link detailing in a very nice manner what you have to do to keep money offshore.

 

http://tinyurl.com/c7tro2z

Posted by: Stateless_Infidel at April 04, 2013 04:54 PM (AC0lD)

209 Could we for fucking once NOT live in fucking fantasy meme-land? The SoCons did *not* stay home in 2012. It's a fucking myth. Or, you know, prove it. Because everyone else who tried to prove it failed, you could make a name for yourself. Or you could just keep infighting over made-up shit.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i][/b][/s][/u] at April 04, 2013 04:55 PM (bxiXv)

210 I'm not on twitter, but can't wait to hear how Jerry Rivera responds to EoJ.

*pours a drink*

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 04, 2013 04:57 PM (lVPtV)

211 SEOUL, South Korea (AP) -- Hackers apparently broke into at least two of North Korea's government-run online sites Thursday, as tensions rose on the Korean Peninsula. The North's Uriminzokkiri Twitter and Flickr accounts stopped sending out content typical of that posted by the regime in Pyongyang, such as photos of North's leader Kim Jong Un meeting with military officials. Instead, a picture posted Thursday on the North's Flickr site shows Kim's face with a pig-like snout and a drawing of Mickey Mouse on his chest. Underneath, the text reads: "Threatening world peace with ICBMs and Nuclear weapons/Wasting money while his people starve to death." http://news.yahoo.com/nkoreas-twitter-account-hacked-amid-091726564.html

Posted by: zsasz at April 04, 2013 04:59 PM (MMC8r)

212 Forgive me if this goes on too long.... We're never going to 'round up and ship them out". Even if we had the will, it would prove too costly and impossible to enforce. What can be done is 1.) secure the border asap. 2.) Require all employers to determine the status of their latino employees. Require them to report all illegals or if they choose to hire with out reporting bust the employers with heavy fines and jail sentences. Cheap labor benefits the employers, it does not benefit legal American workers. 4.) Give all illegal aliens 90 days to step into the light and be screened. Those who have committed crimes or those who have been on welfare are immediately processed for deportation. 5.) Those who are illegal but are gainfully employed and have no criminal past should be given a 2 year work visa and told to report to the back of the line for legal immigration. Not perfect but far more practical than anything I have seen proposed. Note: I said secure the border first. Ducking for cover.

Posted by: angel with a sword at April 04, 2013 04:59 PM (Fx1VP)

213 210 I'm not on twitter, but can't wait to hear how Jerry Rivera responds to EoJ.

*pours a drink*

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 04, 2013 08:57 PM (lVPtV


Fuckit.  Wrong thread.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 04, 2013 05:00 PM (lVPtV)

214 Good idea BC. They make a decent stool too. Used to have one with a padded, swivel top for dove hunting.

Posted by: teej at April 04, 2013 05:00 PM (Nsomq)

215 Note: I said secure the border first. Ducking for cover. Posted by: angel with a sword at April 04, 2013 08:59 PM (Fx1VP) Everybody says it, nobody does it. The inside-the-beltway crowd has been fighting that tooth and nail for decades. They really never did give a shit what you or I think, so there's no point in arguing about it. Like shipwreck survivors arguing about sharks.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i][/b][/s][/u] at April 04, 2013 05:02 PM (bxiXv)

216 212 Forgive me if this goes on too long.... We're never going to 'round up and ship them out". Even if we had the will, it would prove too costly and impossible to enforce. What can be done is 1.) secure the border asap. 2.) Require all employers to determine the status of their latino employees. Require them to report all illegals or if they choose to hire with out reporting bust the employers with heavy fines and jail sentences. Cheap labor benefits the employers, it does not benefit legal American workers. 4.) Give all illegal aliens 90 days to step into the light and be screened. Those who have committed crimes or those who have been on welfare are immediately processed for deportation. 5.) Those who are illegal but are gainfully employed and have no criminal past should be given a 2 year work visa and told to report to the back of the line for legal immigration. Not perfect but far more practical than anything I have seen proposed. Note: I said secure the border first. Ducking for cover. Posted by: angel with a sword at April 04, 2013 08:59 PM (Fx1VP) I have no problem with that. A mass round-up is undoable.

Posted by: Floyd Cramdem at April 04, 2013 05:02 PM (NDsAO)

217 Best idea I've seen re an immigration was from someone here earlier this week (sorry I don't remember which moron or 'ette). Namely, make as a condition of the illegals' "path to citizenship" a loss of voting rights. Seems to me the identity theft all/most have committed in order to be here is a felony, so they should lose voting rights because of that anyway.

Posted by: Y-not at April 04, 2013 05:02 PM (5H6zj)

218 Actually I've been to a few. And most of the people you see there are volunteers. I know since I volunteered once. Very few people are actually employed at these events. Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 04, 2013 08:42 PM (HDgX3) Tell you what, come to CLT in three weeks and see how many "Volunteers" are sodding the greens and planting the flowers, waiting the tables, putting up the tents, and cleaning up the trash. NONE.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at April 04, 2013 05:03 PM (wR+pz)

219 Posted by: Barak Obama at April 04, 2013 08:50 PM (VrVBw)

Apparently besides being stupid, you can't read either.

I said I voted against Obama both times.

But after 40 years of voting for the lesser of two evils and not seeing any change just a further drift to the left, I decided form now on, I'm voting for who I want IN office and not the PARTY.

Don't like that? then find someone I like to run for office.

You can start by kicking half these commie/democrat appeasers off any list and find those who act and vote with conservative principles.

So again. Fuck you and the white presumptious horse you rode in on.

And use your regular nic and not a sock, coward.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at April 04, 2013 05:04 PM (Kpn/z)

220 217 Best idea I've seen re an immigration was from someone here earlier this week (sorry I don't remember which moron or 'ette). Namely, make as a condition of the illegals' "path to citizenship" a loss of voting rights. Seems to me the identity theft all/most have committed in order to be here is a felony, so they should lose voting rights because of that anyway. Posted by: Y-not at April 04, 2013 09:02 PM (5H6zj) Somebody, (Limabaugh I think) put out no voting rights for 20-25 years. Something like that. I agree.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at April 04, 2013 05:04 PM (NDsAO)

221 There's another way of looking at 2016.

I, for one, welcome our new dictator, Sir Hildebeast.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 04, 2013 05:05 PM (lVPtV)

222

I can't imagine Cankles McBaggyface getting elected. She's way past her expiration date.

 

However, if you'd told me on 9-12-01  that   in 7 years they'd elect a guy named Barack Hussein Obama, I'd have laughed at you.

Posted by: USS Diversity at April 04, 2013 05:07 PM (c/58R)

223 I've always imagined Hillary as the Anti-Christ.

I don't think she'll run. They've got way too much influence and an easier life if they stay out of office.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at April 04, 2013 05:07 PM (Kpn/z)

224 >>>Namely, make as a condition of the illegals' "path to citizenship" a loss of voting rights Isn't that like splitting the baby in half? No one will be happy (except us) and it will never pass. It's got a grimly satisfying feel to it, yes.

Posted by: Eaton Cox at April 04, 2013 05:08 PM (q177U)

225 176 Truman, You ever done any of the Leadership Institute's training? I'm no leader and I never will be. Pearls before swine, I'm afraid. In the GOP folks like me are busy creating, having that sort of resume enhancer will be worth less than how many Rs you register and how many state reps you get elected in swing districts.

Posted by: Truman North at April 04, 2013 05:08 PM (I2LwF)

226 O/T Regarding Roger Ebert,

Who was Roger Ebert?

Posted by: Charlie Gibson at April 04, 2013 05:08 PM (V70Uh)

227 201 NO. jackass. It's not MY fault if the Republican party can't field someone who I'd be willing to vote for. it's them and people like you who empower them to make wrong decisions about who they'll let run, who they'll fund and who they support. It's not MY fault NOR is it MY fault that a Democrat wins over their pathetic excuse for a candidate. Since I would only vote for someone who I feel would strongly represent what I believe needs to done, I don't see how it would be MY fault that they nominate a loser. So Fuck you and the white smug horse you rode in on. Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at April 04, 2013 08:48 PM (Kpn/z) +1,000,000

Posted by: rickl at April 04, 2013 05:08 PM (sdi6R)

228 Hi ghost of teej! You're back at work haunting threads again, I see.

Posted by: L, elle at April 04, 2013 05:09 PM (0PiQ4)

229 Posted by: Charlie Gibson at April 04, 2013 09:08 PM (V70Uh)

Someone you never heard of.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at April 04, 2013 05:09 PM (Kpn/z)

230 Citizenship without voting rights isn't citizenship.  It's permanent residency.

Posted by: Charlie Gibson at April 04, 2013 05:09 PM (V70Uh)

231 sock off

Posted by: Al at April 04, 2013 05:09 PM (V70Uh)

232 I have no problem with that. A mass round-up is undoable. Bullshit. $500 for every illegal brought in unharmed. Unmarked busses taking them to Mexico City. It would cost $20B and save us $200B easy

Posted by: Truman North at April 04, 2013 05:09 PM (I2LwF)

233 220 217 Best idea I've seen re an immigration was from someone here earlier this week (sorry I don't remember which moron or 'ette). Namely, make as a condition of the illegals' "path to citizenship" a loss of voting rights. Seems to me the identity theft all/most have committed in order to be here is a felony, so they should lose voting rights because of that anyway. Posted by: Y-not at April 04, 2013 09:02 PM (5H6zj) Somebody, (Limabaugh I think) put out no voting rights for 20-25 years. Something like that. I agree. Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at April 04, 2013 09:04 PM (NDsAO) Such a scheme will fail misaribly. You can't make the conditions stick. Negotiating with a scorpion never works. Never agree to amnesty in any form.

Posted by: eman at April 04, 2013 05:10 PM (bP2re)

234 Isn't that like splitting the baby in half? No one will be happy (except us) and it will never pass. It's got a grimly satisfying feel to it, yes. --- It won't pass, but it exposes the Left's crass effort to buy millions of new voters. And it makes people confront the reality that the illegals, who are all to often portrayed as salt of the earthers, are criminals.

Posted by: Y-not at April 04, 2013 05:10 PM (5H6zj)

235 Seems to me the identity theft all/most have committed in order to be here is a felony, so they should lose voting rights because of that anyway.

Posted by: Y-not at April 04, 2013 09:02 PM (5H6zj)



Seems to me that they should be losing a path to citizenship because of that.

Posted by: Tami[/i] at April 04, 2013 05:11 PM (X6akg)

236 Stay strong BC. It wont matter because my state will go R for president regardless of how I vote. If the party goes weak again I write in the one person who has shown me they love this country, love freedom love God and hate corruption. Could have been one heartbeat away in 2008.

Posted by: teej at April 04, 2013 05:11 PM (QbKVX)

237 Undocumented Democrats.  Remember that.

Posted by: Al at April 04, 2013 05:11 PM (V70Uh)

238

212>>

Why do we have to focus on Latino workers? Why can't we just verify citizenship/ legal status to work for ALL workers? Why not just enforce the laws we have instead of making more laws that we won't enforce or that aren't effective?

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at April 04, 2013 05:11 PM (vhb5a)

239 232 I have no problem with that. A mass round-up is undoable. Bullshit. $500 for every illegal brought in unharmed. Unmarked busses taking them to Mexico City. It would cost $20B and save us $200B easy Posted by: Truman North at April 04, 2013 09:09 PM (I2LwF) Yep. Build the fence and fill up the busses.

Posted by: eman at April 04, 2013 05:11 PM (bP2re)

240 In the GOP folks like me are busy creating, having that sort of resume enhancer will be worth less than how many Rs you register and how many state reps you get elected in swing districts. You should check them out, Truman. One of my neighbors is a trainer there. Yeah, there's touchy-feely courses but the bulk of their catalog is hardcore nuts and bolts political organizing. Very practical stuff. You're doing it now, but they might shorten your learning curve.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 04, 2013 05:12 PM (g8woF)

241 Sure a mass roundup is undoable but so what? Just because we can't do that doesn't mean we have to go out of our way to make them citizens eventually. I'd rather have them looking over their shoulders the rest of their days cause they're fucking criminals that bring nothing of value to this country.  No new immigration policy is by far better then anything proposed.
If we were a sane nation, what we should be doing is rethinking the 1965 immigration laws that started us down this road in the first place, not relaxing them even further.

Posted by: Your RNC at April 04, 2013 05:12 PM (Fz2C7)

242 sock

Posted by: lowandslow at April 04, 2013 05:13 PM (Fz2C7)

243 You can't make the conditions stick. Negotiating with a scorpion never works. -- I agree that we should not be negotiating, but unfortunately the majority of our betters in the GOP don't give a rat's ass what I want. So we're stuck with this negotiation mode. Seems to me it should be possible to ascertain if identity theft is a felony. If it is, just make them confess during processing. If it isn't, it should be. If some jackass steals my identity, esp my SSN, that should be a felony.

Posted by: Y-not at April 04, 2013 05:13 PM (5H6zj)

244 Seems to me that they should be losing a path to citizenship because of that. ----- Oh, I agree, but I think the GOP is throwing us under the bus on that already.

Posted by: Y-not at April 04, 2013 05:14 PM (5H6zj)

245 Red card them all, including the "children brought here through no fault of their own."

Deal breaker.  The Dems really, really want those votes.


Posted by: Al at April 04, 2013 05:14 PM (V70Uh)

246 230 Citizenship without voting rights isn't citizenship. It's permanent residency. Posted by: Charlie Gibson at April 04, 2013 09:09 PM (V70Uh) What else are they looking for?

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at April 04, 2013 05:16 PM (NDsAO)

247 My daughter went to school with a girl that did not know she was here illegally until she went to apply for college.  Her parents brought her in when she was just a couple months old, and never told her about it.  She just assumed she was American.  I don't know what you do with people like that.

Posted by: mama winger at April 04, 2013 05:16 PM (P6QsQ)

248 The politicians want the votes and they want to cue calculate the entitlement projections.

Posted by: eman at April 04, 2013 05:16 PM (bP2re)

249 The immigrants would be delighted with permanent residency.  It's the Dems that want to give them the right to vote.


Posted by: Al at April 04, 2013 05:17 PM (V70Uh)

250 Recalculate, iPad.

Posted by: eman at April 04, 2013 05:17 PM (bP2re)

251 Deal breaker. The Dems really, really want those votes. Posted by: Al at April 04, 2013 09:14 PM (V70Uh) It's ALL they want, and yes, it would be a deal breaker. Force them to say it.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at April 04, 2013 05:17 PM (NDsAO)

252 "What else are they looking for?

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at April 04, 2013 09:16 PM (NDsAO)"


That's the wrong question. The question is, why do they think they're entitled to live here?

Posted by: lowandslow at April 04, 2013 05:18 PM (Fz2C7)

253 mama,

easy.  Give her permanent residency.

Let her children born here be citizens.


Posted by: Al at April 04, 2013 05:18 PM (V70Uh)

254 Oh, I agree, but I think the GOP is throwing us under the bus on that already.

Posted by: Y-not at April 04, 2013 09:14 PM (5H6zj)



Basically, we're screwed no matter what.

Posted by: Tami[/i] at April 04, 2013 05:18 PM (X6akg)

255 The border has to be unpassable except by a massed assualt or military bombardment.

It's not cheap but it is doable and if done well will dry up the flow north to fewer than a percent of a percent.

THEN and only then do we discuss the ones who are already here.

Anyone who has lied about their identity and has used false papers gets fined and loses their right to vote. Anyone under a certain age gets a pass with a lower term of not being able to vote. All admittees have to have minimum English comprehension.

The path to citizenship is the same as any other immigrant. They must report every year  their address and job. Failure to register is a revocation of their license to stay and results in immediate deportation without appeal upon arrest.

Anyone found hiring illegals knowingly gets 5 years jail. Companies gets 1mil fine per violation.

Anyone trafficking illegals gets 10 years.

Anyone not registering will be fair game for "head hunters" Bounties on illegals found and identified 500$ per head.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at April 04, 2013 05:18 PM (Kpn/z)

256 Jon Cary to wash and kiss feet of NORK Staff of Choice.

http://tinyurl.com/bn2n57g


Posted by: 1600 Vatican Ave, Wash. D.F. at April 04, 2013 05:18 PM (0It32)

257 Citizenship without voting rights isn't citizenship. It's permanent residency. Posted by: Charlie Gibson at April 04, 2013 09:09 PM (V70Uh) Trying really hard to see why that's a bad thing. We get your tax dollars on the record and not in some shadow economy, and you don't get to vote. Nope. No downside

Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 04, 2013 05:19 PM (g8woF)

258 Damn..., the cat just bit me. Cue the Ted Nugent..., no wait..., is there a song about rabies?

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 04, 2013 05:19 PM (aDwsi)

259 Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at April 04, 2013 09:11 PM (vhb5a)

That is already being done. They started doing that in the '80's. Where have YOU been?

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at April 04, 2013 05:20 PM (Kpn/z)

260 >>Basically, we're screwed no matter what. Yep. I'm really furious about it, but it's pretty clear they're all just going to do whatever the fuck they want, pat themselves on the back for being better & smarter than us. Pricks.

Posted by: Y-not at April 04, 2013 05:20 PM (5H6zj)

261 Bus illegals by the tens of thousands into Manhattan. Call it "Occupy Wall Street, Mang"

Posted by: eman at April 04, 2013 05:20 PM (bP2re)

262 257 Citizenship without voting rights isn't citizenship. It's permanent residency. Posted by: Charlie Gibson at April 04, 2013 09:09 PM (V70Uh) Trying really hard to see why that's a bad thing. --- Felons are still citizens.

Posted by: Y-not at April 04, 2013 05:21 PM (5H6zj)

263 I don't know what you do with people like that. Posted by: mama winger at April 04, 2013 09:16 PM (P6QsQ) You don't ignore the problem, deliberately open the border, let people off on identity theft, grant amnesty to a vast range of criminals (YES CRIMINALS), screw up employment laws and let people in line in front of those who legally applied for citizenship. Maybe you put those people in the path to citizenship, but you don't use it as an excuse.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i][/b][/s][/u] at April 04, 2013 05:21 PM (bxiXv)

264 The border will never be secured. Even though there is broad support for it, it's an issue that the R's aren't comfortable defending bc it's too easy to be painted as racists. The only GOP faces talking about it are invariably the ones pushing for amnesty of some form or another. We're doomed.

Posted by: L, elle at April 04, 2013 05:21 PM (0PiQ4)

265 Trying really hard to see why that's a bad thing. We get your tax dollars on the record and not in some shadow economy, and you don't get to vote. Nope. No downside Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 04, 2013 09:19 PM (g8woF) You assume the taxes they pay will outweigh the services they consume.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at April 04, 2013 05:21 PM (GEICT)

266 247..... I don't mind giving citizenship to those anchor babies but to the parents of the anchor babies there should not be a path to citizenship... anchor baby parents should not be eligible..... deport the fuckers

Posted by: ET at April 04, 2013 05:22 PM (YpjaN)

267 I don't know what you do with people like that. Bye-bye. Think of it as a object lesson in actual citizenship. Break law, pay price. At least she got a free education and 19 dysentery-free years. She needs to be blaming her selfish parents, not "the system".

Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 04, 2013 05:22 PM (g8woF)

268 You assume the taxes they pay will outweigh the services they consume. [insert no citizen, no services codicil here]

Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 04, 2013 05:23 PM (g8woF)

269 247 My daughter went to school with a girl that did not know she was here illegally until she went to apply for college. Her parents brought her in when she was just a couple months old, and never told her about it. She just assumed she was American. I don't know what you do with people like that. Posted by: mama winger at April 04, 2013 09:16 PM (P6QsQ) You sit her down and, very carefully, explain the reasons why Democrats and blatant pandering, Marxist doucherockets; all related to Hippie Zero.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at April 04, 2013 05:23 PM (NDsAO)

270 [insert no citizen, no services codicil here] Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 04, 2013 09:23 PM (g8woF) Never, ever happen. You'll get mass deportation before you'll get politicians to agree to collecting taxes on people and then refusing them services. Hell, I don't like that idea.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at April 04, 2013 05:24 PM (GEICT)

271 America is a giant nipple of which the undocumented can suckle forever.

Posted by: Barry Soetoro at April 04, 2013 05:25 PM (Q63S1)

272 Ready for a new thread? As soon as I post, it will appear! Anyway, I will reiterate my funny from recess duty at kids' school today: They have stopped playing "Sharks and Minnows" and started playing "Hopping the Border", complete with border agent and drug dealers. I refined their game to include border agents awarding the undocumented democrats with EBT cards.

Posted by: Justamom of the LiB camp at April 04, 2013 05:26 PM (Sptt8)

273 NO. jackass. It's not MY fault if the Republican party can't field someone who I'd be willing to vote for.

it's them and people like you who empower them to make wrong decisions about who they'll let run, who they'll fund and who they support.

It's not MY fault NOR is it MY fault that a Democrat wins over their pathetic excuse for a candidate.

Since I would only vote for someone who I feel would strongly represent what I believe needs to done, I don't see how it would be MY fault that they nominate a loser.

So Fuck you and the white smug horse you rode in on.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at April 04, 2013 08:48 PM (Kpn/z)


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Do what you want. But no matter how you spin your bullshit, the end result is President Hillary Clinton for 8 years. Good luck with that.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 04, 2013 05:26 PM (HDgX3)

274 We're doomed.
Posted by: L, elle at April 04, 2013 09:21 PM (0PiQ4)
I think that about sums it up.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at April 04, 2013 05:26 PM (smU88)

275 "Nope. No downside

Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 04, 2013 09:19 PM (g8woF)"


How about bring something of value to our nation? How about wanting to live here because you share the ideals and values of our nation instead of just living here because you can make more money then the country you left, yet it's still the country you still take more pride in and respect more then the United States? 

Posted by: lowandslow at April 04, 2013 05:26 PM (Fz2C7)

276 and = are.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at April 04, 2013 05:27 PM (NDsAO)

277 My daughter went to school with a girl that did not know she was here illegally until she went to apply for college. Her parents brought her in when she was just a couple months old, and never told her about it. She just assumed she was American. I don't know what you do with people like that.
Posted by: mama winger at April 04, 2013 09:16 PM (P6QsQ)

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The thing is where do you draw the line? Is it if the kid came here as an infant? A toddler? A pre-schooler?

Second is you'll have millions of illegals suddenly discover that they actually came here when they were 3 not 23. And here's a report card from Made Up School in Some Town, USA to prove I was actually brought here when I was 3. Now where's that carte verde?


Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 04, 2013 05:29 PM (HDgX3)

278 Do what you want. But no matter how you spin your bullshit, the end result is President Hillary Clinton for 8 years. Good luck with that.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 04, 2013 09:26 PM (HDgX3)


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That's not logical.  I've voted for the Republican Presidential candidate every election since 1980, and have had to suffer under many Democrat presidents anyway.  My single vote did not sway those elections.  What makes you think that if I withhold it, suddenly it will be the deciding factor?

Posted by: mama winger at April 04, 2013 05:30 PM (P6QsQ)

279 Never, ever happen. You'll get mass deportation before you'll get politicians to agree to collecting taxes on people and then refusing them services. Hell, I don't like that idea. Generally, I'm the pragmatist. You might even call me a RINO. I can usually see why the middle way is the preferred choice on most issues. But on this issue I am an absolutist. The reason why is because one concession in this area has always, but always led to more. You either draw a sharp line about what is acceptable, or we'll be overrun by every Tom, Dick, and Enrique with a sob story. And we. Just. Can't. Afford. It. But don't worry....my take on this has ZERO chance of ever becoming reality. I now return you to your regularly scheduled crisis.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 04, 2013 05:30 PM (g8woF)

280 I won't vote a GOP squish ever again. I don't care if that means Stalin's sister gets elected. Fuck them. Let it burn.

Posted by: eman at April 04, 2013 05:31 PM (bP2re)

281 Felons are still citizens. Posted by: Y-not at April 04, 2013 09:21 PM (5H6zj) Depends on your state and your definition of citizenship. They can not vote, own guns, serve on a jury. They can, in some states still have a passport. AND, they still get to pay taxes! I'd call them second class slaves, not citizens.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at April 04, 2013 05:31 PM (wR+pz)

282 We are screwed.  Day laborers don't pay the FICA needed to pay for my Social Security Old Age Pension.  Let them in, and then tax the unholy shit out of them.  Yeah,right.  That's going to happen.

Dream on.


Posted by: Al at April 04, 2013 05:31 PM (V70Uh)

283 Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 04, 2013 09:26 PM (HDgX3)

Why is being honest and principled "bullshit"?

Because you don't like the fact that I'm not buying into the vote for the lesser communist line anymore?

Is that your problem?

Explain to me how my being principled is somehow going to make it my fault that people like you want to have democrat lite and want the rest of us to buy into it to make you feel better about your compromise and lack of integrity.

If Hillary Clinton runs and wins why is that my fault if I don't vote for her opponent because he's a lying douchebag?

No. It's not something you can defend except by ad hominem's and strawmen.

So fuck you mr. moo moo.

I've read a lot of what you post and I'm not impressed nor does your disapproval bother me one bit.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at April 04, 2013 05:31 PM (Kpn/z)

284 Making someone a citizen but saying you can't vote will be struck down by the courts on first thought. But how about making them defactor felons who are citizens. Felons can't vote, therefore they can't vote. Although at some point felons can regain the right to vote, so you can't make someone a felon forever and ever. At some point, after a probationary period they would gain the right to vote as well.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 04, 2013 05:32 PM (HDgX3)

285 That's not logical. I've voted for the Republican Presidential candidate every election since 1980, and have had to suffer under many Democrat presidents anyway. My single vote did not sway those elections. What makes you think that if I withhold it, suddenly it will be the deciding factor?

Posted by: mama winger at April 04, 2013 09:30 PM (P6QsQ)


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Well with that logic, nobody should ever bother voting since no one vote ever makes a difference.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 04, 2013 05:33 PM (HDgX3)

286 How about bring something of value to our nation? How about wanting to live here because you share the ideals and values of our nation instead of just living here because you can make more money then the country you left, yet it's still the country you still take more pride in and respect more then the United States? I would love to see that. But $10 billion per year in remittances flowing south of the border tells me that's not what we're actually getting.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 04, 2013 05:34 PM (g8woF)

287 If Hillary Clinton runs and wins why is that my fault if I don't vote for her opponent because he's a lying douchebag?

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at April 04, 2013 09:31 PM (Kpn/z)


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YEP!

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 04, 2013 05:34 PM (HDgX3)

288 Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 04, 2013 09:33 PM (HDgX3)

Your "logic" is no better.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at April 04, 2013 05:34 PM (Kpn/z)

289 Generally, I'm the pragmatist. You might even call me a RINO. I can usually see why the middle way is the preferred choice on most issues. But on this issue I am an absolutist. The reason why is because one concession in this area has always, but always led to more. You either draw a sharp line about what is acceptable, or we'll be overrun by every Tom, Dick, and Enrique with a sob story. And we. Just. Can't. Afford. It. Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 04, 2013 09:30 PM (g8woF) My solution, not that you asked for it, is this: Slam the fucking border shut. No more fucking around. Close it down. No mass round up bullshit. If someone gets picked up for something and it's determined they're illegal, bye bye.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at April 04, 2013 05:34 PM (GEICT)

290

Bitter Clinger and All That, are you serious?!  How many stories have you read where some large scale operation gets shut down periodically because of some raid by the imigre? If we were enforcing the law, we'd be fining and/or shutting down employers who routinely and repeatedly hire illegal aliens.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at April 04, 2013 05:35 PM (htu8n)

291 Well with that logic, nobody should ever bother voting since no one vote ever makes a difference.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 04, 2013 09:33 PM (HDgX3)


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No, with that logic it is not right to point the finger at one individual and hang an entire election's results on them, as you did in the preceding conversation.

Posted by: mama winger at April 04, 2013 05:35 PM (P6QsQ)

292 If you are here illegally, gtfo. If you we're born here you can stay. Breaks up your family? Not my problem.

Posted by: eman at April 04, 2013 05:35 PM (bP2re)

293 More Republicans may want to duplicate this tactic when Baraka tries to take the budget to the cleaners next time.

Posted by: logprof at April 04, 2013 05:35 PM (+iA5G)

294 Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 04, 2013 09:34 PM (HDgX3)

Who died and made you king of the hill to decide who's at fault for Hillary getting elected?

Again. Since you offer no actual reasons or reasoning; GFY

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at April 04, 2013 05:36 PM (Kpn/z)

295 Ont? Please?

Posted by: Elizabethe at April 04, 2013 05:36 PM (qPCAa)

296 Ever noticed that EBT is an anagram of BET?

Posted by: gastorgrab at April 04, 2013 05:36 PM (FX38i)

297 My solution, not that you asked for it, is this: Slam the fucking border shut. No more fucking around. Close it down. No mass round up bullshit. If someone gets picked up for something and it's determined they're illegal, bye bye. I'd like that too. Not gonna happen either. Group hug??

Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 04, 2013 05:37 PM (g8woF)

298 Your "logic" is no better.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at April 04, 2013 09:34 PM (Kpn/z)


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My logic is this....you can vote for a flawed Republican like Rubio. Or you can stay home and let Hillary become president. And I don't mean you individually. I mean you as a group of hardcore cons that will only vote for the perfect candidate and nobody else. 


Whatever faults Rubio has he will be better than Hillary. Just like whatever faults Romney had, he would have been better than Obama.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 04, 2013 05:37 PM (HDgX3)

299 from now on his name is Marco Fuckin Rubio, Yeeefuckinhaw!!

Posted by: Soothsayer at April 04, 2013 05:37 PM (s+8Vv)

300 Just overheard a guy on Extreme Home Makeover say "with the economy so bad I've been layed off for 8 years". Does he think they are going to call him back?

Posted by: Whatev at April 04, 2013 05:38 PM (A7Wh1)

301 I'd like that too. Not gonna happen either. Group hug?? Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 04, 2013 09:37 PM (g8woF) Not unless there's an ette in the middle.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at April 04, 2013 05:38 PM (GEICT)

302 Who died and made you king of the hill to decide who's at fault for Hillary getting elected?

Again. Since you offer no actual reasons or reasoning; GFY

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at April 04, 2013 09:36 PM (Kpn/z)


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I have posted my reasoning. Boils down to a dirty evil RINO is better than a Democrat. End of story. What you are looking for is the perfect candidate. You will never find one.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 04, 2013 05:38 PM (HDgX3)

303 My solution, not that you asked for it, is this: Slam the fucking border shut. No more fucking around. Close it down. No mass round up bullshit. If someone gets picked up for something and it's determined they're illegal, bye bye. In other words the Rick perry model. *ducks*

Posted by: Elizabethe at April 04, 2013 05:38 PM (qPCAa)

304 296 Ever noticed that EBT is an anagram of BET?

Posted by: gastorgrab at April 04, 2013 09:36 PM (FX38i)

Dog whistle!

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at April 04, 2013 05:39 PM (smU88)

305 298 Your "logic" is no better. Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at April 04, 2013 09:34 PM (Kpn/z) ________ My logic is this....you can vote for a flawed Republican like Rubio. Or you can stay home and let Hillary become president. And I don't mean you individually. I mean you as a group of hardcore cons that will only vote for the perfect candidate and nobody else. Whatever faults Rubio has he will be better than Hillary. Just like whatever faults Romney had, he would have been better than Obama. Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 04, 2013 09:37 PM (HDgX3) No longer good enough. A slow walk to Socialism is not better than a fast run to it.

Posted by: eman at April 04, 2013 05:39 PM (bP2re)

306 If Hillary wins in 2016, it's because the teacher's unions succeeded in producing an electorate that is corrupt.

Game over.  It was nice while it lasted.  Democracies fail given enough time.


Posted by: Al at April 04, 2013 05:39 PM (V70Uh)

307 I am REALLY, REALLY terrified right now. I've agreed with 3 of Moo Moo's posts. HELP MEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!

Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 04, 2013 05:40 PM (g8woF)

308 Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at April 04, 2013 09:35 PM (htu8n)

I was referring to the employer checking whether you are entitled to work in this country.

Since the '80's, if you are hired for a job, you must submit documents to prove you are a citizen or are authorized to work in the country.

You then sign and date a statement to that effect and the companies must keep copies and produce them on request.

I didn't say they were enforcing the rules evenly. The mostly don't check and some companies don't put the hiree through e-verify to confirm.

The current laws have no guts to them, no funding and no personnel to make them work.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at April 04, 2013 05:40 PM (Kpn/z)

309 Rubio.... grow a pair like rand, if you want to run for prez then fight. I will respect that. I will not vote for a pussy

Posted by: ET at April 04, 2013 05:40 PM (YpjaN)

310 Oh please, me. I'll do the group hug. I hate fighting.

Posted by: Elizabethe at April 04, 2013 05:40 PM (qPCAa)

311 At throats over an election that hasn't even happened. No wonder we're losing.

Posted by: USS Diversity at April 04, 2013 05:40 PM (c/58R)

312 No, with that logic it is not right to point the finger at one individual and hang an entire election's results on them, as you did in the preceding conversation.

Posted by: mama winger at April 04, 2013 09:35 PM (P6QsQ)


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Chill mama. If I say "you" I mean the royal you. As in you people who are willing to turn on any Republican who exhibits even the slightest RINOish tendency. Sheesh.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 04, 2013 05:40 PM (HDgX3)

313 Perfectly stated 292. Rubio should tell the gang of 7 fuck off you traitors.

Posted by: Irishacres at April 04, 2013 05:40 PM (HVff2)

314 In other words the Rick perry model.
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"Have a heart and let them work for my big contributor Bob Perry."

Posted by: RioBravo at April 04, 2013 05:41 PM (SsGcJ)

315 A slow walk to Socialism is not better than a fast run to it.

Posted by: eman at April 04, 2013 09:39 PM (bP2re)


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Sure it is.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 04, 2013 05:41 PM (HDgX3)

316 HELP MEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!! Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 04, 2013 09:40 PM (g8woF) You really should get that checked before it gets infected.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at April 04, 2013 05:41 PM (GEICT)

317 Not unless there's an ette in the middle. It could have been elizabethe, but she says we're not ready to come out of the little boxes on her computer.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 04, 2013 05:41 PM (g8woF)

318 HELP MEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!

Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 04, 2013 09:40 PM (g8woF)


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I could slap you upside of the head with a hunk of Wisconsin cheddar, if you think that would snap you out of it.

Posted by: mama winger at April 04, 2013 05:42 PM (P6QsQ)

319 The troll is defending RINOs. How clever.

Posted by: eman at April 04, 2013 05:42 PM (bP2re)

320 You really should get that checked before it gets infected. No shit. Momma always said, "Son, don't ever go full retard."

Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 04, 2013 05:43 PM (g8woF)

321 Glenn Spencer did a border flyover this past weekend. There were thirty-two miles of unguarded border south of Fort Huachuca, and no agents in the unfenced San Pedro Riparian Area. The Montezuma Pass FOB is unmanned. Most secure border evah!

Posted by: AZ Hi Desert at April 04, 2013 05:43 PM (iObsb)

322 315 A slow walk to Socialism is not better than a fast run to it. Posted by: eman at April 04, 2013 09:39 PM (bP2re) ______________ Sure it is. Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 04, 2013 09:41 PM (HDgX3) You broke another stupid-meter. Nice one.

Posted by: eman at April 04, 2013 05:43 PM (bP2re)

323 I could slap you upside of the head with a hunk of Wisconsin cheddar, if you think that would snap you out of it. Do it, mama winger, I'm desperate to try anything.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 04, 2013 05:43 PM (g8woF)

324 317 Not unless there's an ette in the middle. It could have been elizabethe, but she says we're not ready to come out of the little boxes on her computer. Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 04, 2013 09:41 PM (g8woF) Oh come on! Okay I'm sorry. You can come out and I will give you homemade butterscotch pudding just please forgive and give me the hug.

Posted by: Elizabethe at April 04, 2013 05:44 PM (qPCAa)

325 Pudding?

Posted by: eman at April 04, 2013 05:44 PM (bP2re)

326 Just got home so have not read all of the posts.  Here is MY thinking:  Why is this "Gang" of 8 or 14 or whatever even allowed.

On something this important,  the negotiations should be seen on C-SPAN.  These are people dealing with our lives and our country.

Put Schumer on TV so everyone can see what an ass he is and how he refuses to do anything that will solve the problem.  And let's see McCain sucking up to the dems and acting like a complete doofus.

This should be in public, not behind closed doors.  And if they have to negotiate behind closed doors,  then they are Up To Something,  and it is NOT GOOD.

Posted by: Miss Marple at April 04, 2013 05:45 PM (GoIUi)

327 Okay I'm sorry. You can come out and I will give you homemade butterscotch pudding just please forgive and give me the hug. Posted by: Elizabethe at April 04, 2013 09:44 PM (qPCAa) You just offered two Morons pudding. You do know what we do with pudding, right?

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at April 04, 2013 05:45 PM (GEICT)

328 "My daughter went to school with a girl that did not know she was
here illegally until she went to apply for college. Her parents brought
her in when she was just a couple months old, and never told her about
it. She just assumed she was American. I don't know what you do with
people like that."

For starters, explain to them that they are not in fact American.

And give them a lift to the airport, where they can fly home.

That simple, really. That's how most of the rest of the world handles these cases.

I feel bad for young people whose dipshit parents stuck them in this awkward situation. There are a lot of other things in the world that I also feel bad about. They can't all be magically made right.


Posted by: torquewrench at April 04, 2013 05:45 PM (gqT4g)

329 Argh have to go. I'll check back to see if I've been forgiven.

Posted by: Elizabethe at April 04, 2013 05:45 PM (qPCAa)

330 Posted by: AZ Hi Desert at April 04, 2013 09:43 PM (iObsb)
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My mom retired to the Arizona desert just north of Nogales.  She gets illegals coming up through her back wash 2 or 3 times a week.  There are always helicopters flying over her house, but I've never seen them land or do anything to pick anyone up.

She gets scared.  She has a gun but she's scared of that too.

Posted by: mama winger at April 04, 2013 05:45 PM (P6QsQ)

331 Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 04, 2013 09:37 PM (HDgX3)

Who said I'd only vote for the perfect candidate?

You're listening to the voices in your head again.

read. what. I. wrote.

Don't read into it anymore than what i wrote.

I will say that given that stance, I would not have voted for McCain or Romney and WOULD'VE stayed home or written a candidate in.

Sarah Palin for '08 and Either Newt or Cain for '12

Are they perfect? NO. But better campaigners and more willing to fight for the same things I believe we should fight for.

McCain's a bitter old man (and I'm old too so I get to call him that) and Romney was too "flexible" IYKWIMAITTYD.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at April 04, 2013 05:46 PM (Kpn/z)

332 No shit. Momma always said, "Son, don't ever go full retard." Posted by: Sean Bannion Your mom is Robert Downey Jr. ?

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at April 04, 2013 05:47 PM (mN8D3)

333 For those interested, this has actually become an issue in Great Britain recently. They decided to order all people on disability to be reviewed by a doctor. 900,000 (out of a population of 65 million) decided to leave disability voluntarily instead of be reviewed. An equal number are expected to be requires to leave after the review. Immigration is also on the forefront, as the Torys leaked documents from the Blair era that plainly said "let's bring migrants in and get them hooked on welfare so we can forever be in power.". So now it's a big deal. There are now proposals being put forward to cap immigration in the low 10,000s per year until the economy recovers and the Muslims start assimilating. Additionally, other welfare reforms are being implemented (especially after some very public scandals recently involving outright welfare exploitation), with the new stated policy to be "it must always be financially better to work than be on the dole." So, for those of you interested, you cam check out British papers for more details. And yes, a lot of this is posturing by elites to try and beat back: 1) BNP 2) UKIP 3) The Scottish secession vote in 2014.

Posted by: Hopeless at April 04, 2013 05:47 PM (dNkDl)

334 Okay I'm sorry. You can come out and I will give you homemade butterscotch pudding just please forgive and give me the hug. Nope. YOU have to come out in June. We're dying to meet the only conservative in all of American academia. You're so rare you should probably be displayed in a museum.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 04, 2013 05:47 PM (g8woF)

335 Boils down to a dirty evil RINO is better than a Democrat. End of story. What you are looking for is the perfect candidate. You will never find one.

And the conclusion I've come to is that you're WRONG.

And I was wrong to vote for them.

Again. I've never said "perfect candidate" that's YOUR interpretation.

I'm just not voting for another Democrat lite or someone I don't believe reflects my values but who is not a Democrat.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at April 04, 2013 05:49 PM (Kpn/z)

336

So many times, and today was one of them, we have a client that I have to hire a translator for.  It fkn pisses me off.  I want to ask what the hell are they doing here if they can't speak English?  I almost did it today, but, alas, I need to keep this job with almost 10% UE in the Valley.  One asshole in DGO had been here for 20 fkn yrs.  WTF.  You still can't speak English, go back to your shithole of a Country.

 

/rant off

Posted by: Infidel at April 04, 2013 05:50 PM (gqEUi)

337 I am REALLY, REALLY terrified right now. I've agreed with 3 of Moo Moo's posts. If you agree with contrarians, they will immediately say you're wrong.

Posted by: zsasz at April 04, 2013 05:50 PM (MMC8r)

338 I'm looking at this in a slightly different way. Let's round up ALL politicians that have perpetuated this insult on our nation. Bus them all to cartel-run areas of Mehico. Leave them and then shut down the border.

Posted by: Soona at April 04, 2013 05:50 PM (QUNIH)

339 Bitter, Moo moo is tolling you. He is a RINO/squish and expects everyone in the coalition to support the establishment because that's what serfs are supposed to do.

Posted by: Hopeless at April 04, 2013 05:52 PM (hKIk9)

340 One thing you can say about anarchy, it's a lot more honest than what we have now.

Posted by: zsasz at April 04, 2013 05:53 PM (MMC8r)

341 Is this the ONT? Oh, nevermind

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at April 04, 2013 05:54 PM (wR+pz)

342 chaos would be more rational.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at April 04, 2013 05:55 PM (Kpn/z)

343 Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 04, 2013 09:47 PM (g8woF) Oh that's how it is. Well. I'm kit actually in academia, currently. But someday. I'll email and get the details and see if I can swing it. Mostly though I am afraid to come out of the box myself.

Posted by: Elizabethe at April 04, 2013 05:55 PM (qPCAa)

344 Hi gang! Been away for awhile. Spring skiing and the beach. It was nice to take a break, and to ignore everything but friends, family, and the immediate. And vacation drankin'! But, alas, back to the "real world". I've missed teh blog! But I really liked taking a break from politics, and DOOM. And, surprisingly the world didn't end. Yet! But the chasm and abyss didn't go away in my absence...

Posted by: Capt. Backfire at April 04, 2013 05:55 PM (mkb9H)

345 Ask not for whom the Moo moo tolls.

It tolls for THEE!!!!


Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at April 04, 2013 05:55 PM (Kpn/z)

346 I would rather have a real honest togoodness secure border and amnesty than no amnesty and an open border.

Posted by: Elizabethe at April 04, 2013 05:57 PM (qPCAa)

347 Yeah, but the Democrats aren't honest.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at April 04, 2013 05:58 PM (Kpn/z)

348 I understand her fears. I had an ultralight drug drop a load of pot just west of me last month, and no one was busted. My first red husky was poisoned by the bastards. A female neighbor and her daughter were beat up and carjacked just down the road from me. And the dogs let me know the progress of the smuggling train as they head north. And all calls to the USPB go to an answering machine. Most secure border evah! And to paraphrase Tina Fey,, 'I can see Mexico from my house.'

Posted by: AZ Hi Desert at April 04, 2013 05:58 PM (iObsb)

349 In the next thread, if  EVER there is one, I promise not to make fun of teh gheys, or make racists remarks.

I DO still like short people, although no one believes that.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at April 04, 2013 06:00 PM (4Mv1T)

350 Marco Rubio is not to be trusted at all. And it's stupid to trust politicians to really have their hearts in the right place while they are doing things that seem to be rotten. They have proved that they are rotten. Also, on the left politicians are far more to the left than they seem. They talk "moderate" but act hard left. And on the right, politicians are far more to the left than they seem. They talk "severely conservative" but act squish or worse. They say "complete the danged fence" but push for amnesty. No way is someone who is acting crooked and pro-amnesty really on the side of good in any way.

Posted by: Chromoly Man at April 04, 2013 06:00 PM (VWE2A)

351 Posted by: AZ Hi Desert at April 04, 2013 09:58 PM (iObsb)

You should maybe go dig some holes looking for treasure or a new well or something.

If you place it right they might fall in one.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at April 04, 2013 06:00 PM (Kpn/z)

352 I DO still like short people, although no one believes that. I don't.

Posted by: Randy Newman at April 04, 2013 06:00 PM (g8woF)

353 Hi L, elle I had to fix myself something to eat. Late dinner. Hope you've been well this last week.

Posted by: teej at April 04, 2013 06:02 PM (PNi9V)

354 350 In the next thread, if EVER there is one, I promise not to make fun of teh gheys, or make racists remarks.

I DO still like short people, although no one believes that.
Posted by: Tobacco Road at April 04, 2013 10:00 PM
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Thanks

Posted by: Robert Reich at April 04, 2013 06:02 PM (aDwsi)

355 They got grubby little fingers
And dirty little minds
They're gonna get you every time
Well, I don't want no short people
Don't want no short people
Don't want no short people
'Round here

And he was proven right because they got him black listed for years.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at April 04, 2013 06:03 PM (Kpn/z)

356 L,elle is here? She always says she'll email and she never does.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 04, 2013 06:03 PM (g8woF)

357 Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 04, 2013 10:03 PM (g8woF)

Dude. She's just not that into you.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at April 04, 2013 06:04 PM (Kpn/z)

358 mccain will stay to the end!!!!!

Posted by: phoenixgirl at April 04, 2013 06:04 PM (GVxQo)

359 I DO still like short people, although no one believes that. Posted by: Tobacco Road at April 04, 2013 10:00 PM (4Mv1T) Hey TR! Long time brother. I've "been away". I hope you and yours are well and healthy!

Posted by: Capt. Backfire at April 04, 2013 06:05 PM (mkb9H)

360 Dude. She's just not that into you. This.....this I know. :::: sob ::::

Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 04, 2013 06:05 PM (g8woF)

361 the malfeasant seven!!!!!

Posted by: phoenixgirl at April 04, 2013 06:05 PM (GVxQo)

362 is it possible that Rubio is taking a page from the Obama book of strategerie by appearing to lead whilst actually doing nothing.  Walking away would fit perfectly with that

Posted by: thunderb at April 04, 2013 06:06 PM (+afNf)

363 mccain will stay to the end!!!!!

Posted by: phoenixgirl at April 04, 2013 10:04 PM (GVxQo)

 

 

fight with me my friendssss!!!

Posted by: thunderb at April 04, 2013 06:06 PM (+afNf)

364 McCain is staying on because it's his only revenge.

Bitter, bitter old man. Twisted up inside like a corkscrew.

Got a bulemic for a wife and a comfort food fatty for a daughter.

Rejected twice for Prezzy.

I'd be bitter too.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at April 04, 2013 06:06 PM (Kpn/z)

365 Capt. B!- Noticed you slipped in the back.  Got my right shootin' eye fixed today, so now I can see the gun sight AND the target.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at April 04, 2013 06:07 PM (4Mv1T)

366 the malfeasant seven!!!!! phoenixgirl! How are you, mon! So good to see you, mon! Have a happy day!

Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 04, 2013 06:07 PM (g8woF)

367 lol sean

Posted by: phoenixgirl at April 04, 2013 06:07 PM (GVxQo)

368 She said hi calling me ghost of teej I saw upthread. She's probably off chasing butterflies. We've missed each other on the threads this week. Two ships in the night.

Posted by: teej at April 04, 2013 06:07 PM (xhr2b)

369

I'm just not voting for another Democrat lite or someone I don't believe reflects my values but who is not a Democrat.

-------------------

I'll take a Democrat Lite over a would-be Stalin or Mao any day of the week.  I'll hold my nose while doing so, but there's a very clear demarcation there.

 

If it'd been someone like Bill Clinton running again, then by all means go ahead and withhold your vote in protest.  But there's a huge difference between Bill and Barack.  When the latter gets through wrecking things, you tend to be relieved if you're able to clean enough things up to reach the level of mess at which the former would have left things.

 

Posted by: junior at April 04, 2013 06:07 PM (A9dYV)

370 That last comment I made actually cheered me up!!!

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at April 04, 2013 06:08 PM (Kpn/z)

371 It would be a genius political play by Rubio to walk.  He'd get credit on both sides.

If Rubio went along with Amnesty, he's be dead in the primary.  I don't care what the polls say, the open borders position is not popular.

Posted by: Jeepers at April 04, 2013 06:08 PM (XDRsa)

372 kraze was too oppressed to afford the y at the end of his nic

Posted by: phoenixgirl at April 04, 2013 06:08 PM (GVxQo)

373 the malfeasant seven!!!!! Posted by: phoenixgirl at April 04, 2013 10:05 PM (GVxQo) Love it! Winner. Winner! Chix dinner!

Posted by: Capt. Backfire at April 04, 2013 06:08 PM (mkb9H)

374 >>>the malfeasant seven!!!!!

I'll just have the feasant.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at April 04, 2013 06:10 PM (4Mv1T)

375 374 kraze was too oppressed to afford the y at the end of his nic Good Lord, what a tool he was. Pretty much like half my office. But they don't have the cloak of Internet anonymity to hide behind, so they hide it better.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 04, 2013 06:10 PM (g8woF)

376 372 That last comment I made actually cheered me up!!! Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at April 04, 2013 10:08 PM (Kpn/z) Me too!

Posted by: BignJames at April 04, 2013 06:11 PM (H9MGI)

377 If there was any doubt that Mr. Moo Moo was just a lefty "Moby" troll, hopefully this thread has laid those suspicions to rest.

I give him my official blessing as my heir and successor to the throne of RINO Minority Opposition Voice That Refuses To Be Cowed And Matches You Comment-For-Comment With Smug Self-Assuredness (RMOVTRFTBCAMYCFCWSA). 

Ya done good, my politically well-calibrated, albeit combative, friend.

Posted by: Jeff B. at April 04, 2013 06:11 PM (/COnL)

378 367 Capt. B!- Noticed you slipped in the back. Got my right shootin' eye fixed today, so now I can see the gun sight AND the target.
Posted by: Tobacco Road at April 04, 2013 10:07 PM
==========

Heh. I can see the front sight and the target, or the rear sight and the target, but not all three. I was whining about this to my bro-in-law, who pulled out his Judge to show me.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 04, 2013 06:12 PM (aDwsi)

379 Delurking... I was stationed at Ft Huachuca from 1999-2004. During that time, the illegals went from sneaking across the border to just walking across and setting up shop in the city Sierra Vista. I remember when some idiot set up water tanks for the illegals so they would become dehydrated while walking in the desert.

Posted by: I Be That Chick at April 04, 2013 06:12 PM (U0pcy)

380 Mr Pinks immigration platform: Step one: declare both sides unable to come to a deal, announce a populist message pox on both parties message. Step two: declare the American people no longer trust the American government to enact the changes they need, as evidence they won't even enforce the laws they write. Step three: enforce the current fucking laws, deploy national guards men to the border with orders to shoot back, a standing order to detain anyone, and sign executive orders making any gov contractor caught employing an illegal to automatically lose their contract and be barred for five years. The entire time I'm doing this I would be bling congress for their heartless laws, the laws I'm enforcing. Omg congress makes every immigrant carry papers and if they don't have them they are detained! I would have my cake and eat it too.

Posted by: G Gordon at April 04, 2013 06:12 PM (gCzgL)

381 I do this knowing that my days on this blog (and this planet) are likely sadly quite limited.  Someone's gotta carry the "internal opposition" torch around here.

Posted by: Jeff B. at April 04, 2013 06:12 PM (/COnL)

382 new NBC show has a Brit and a Scandi as the stars


and "Clean" from that riverine boat in Apocalypse Now

Posted by: Henny Youngman at April 04, 2013 06:13 PM (Dll6b)

383 Well, I didn't believe that BHO would be as bad as he is.

I knew he was a fake, a phony, a fraud. And being a Democrat would let all three out to play. Even so. McCain is a man you can't be sure what he'll actually do at any one moment.

One minute he's your buddy and the next he's calling the cops to have your car towed cause it's two inches over it's allotted space. THAT kind of unpredictable.

What I wasn't expecting was the amount of fakes that slipped into the House. Which is why the '10 vote went the way it did.

And they screwed the pooch anyway after 4 years in limbo.

they just can't help themselves. There's really only one party. The party for big government and control.

everything else is just maneuvering for advantage.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at April 04, 2013 06:13 PM (Kpn/z)

384 Do it, Marco . . . make the announcement en espanol!

Posted by: Peaches at April 04, 2013 06:13 PM (8lmkt)

385 But there's a huge difference between Bill and Barack. Clinton went as far as he could while still maintaining viability. But he'd go full Commie if he thought he could. They're Democrats, and all Democrats want to be dictators at heart.

Posted by: zsasz at April 04, 2013 06:13 PM (MMC8r)

386 jeff b

Posted by: phoenixgirl at April 04, 2013 06:14 PM (GVxQo)

387 jeff b what's going on?

Posted by: phoenixgirl at April 04, 2013 06:14 PM (GVxQo)

388 21 i don't understand why the GOP doesn't fight against amnesty to try win over blue collar guys, who we can get on our side, instead of backing amnesty when there's no chance in hell off it helping us win the Hispanic vote. - The mass media has spent fifty years making white working class people stink in the nostrils of the elites, including the political elites. That's why it's OK to favor black interests, Hispanic interests or any non-white interests, but if you are for fair treatment for whites, say by removing "affirmative action" - "racist!" ("Anti-racist" is code for "anti-white".) Republican politicians fundamentally don't like white people who are beneath them socially. They want a better base. They want a non-white base like the Democrats have. Mass immigration and forced integration is fatal for whites. It's turned Detroit and other cities into Hells. It's been driving "white flight" for fifty years, and you can't keep running forever. The history of black and other majority non-white countries with white minorities is bad, and sometimes genocidal as in Haiti. As whites go into a minority, they will be subjected to more and more hostilities by non-whites who dislike them. It is a betrayal of whites to go along with this. Republican politicians don't care. They like being an elite (for now) and they despise their white social inferiors so they are inclined to do things that harm them, and that's as far ahead as they have thought.

Posted by: Chromoly Man at April 04, 2013 06:14 PM (VWE2A)

389 Fucking sock

Posted by: Mr Pink at April 04, 2013 06:15 PM (gCzgL)

390 Well, I didn't believe that BHO would be as bad as he is.



glad you came out of your fuckin' coma . . .

Posted by: Peaches at April 04, 2013 06:15 PM (8lmkt)

391 Nope. Not falling for that trick again because you've already done your disappearing act, mister.

Posted by: L, elle at April 04, 2013 06:15 PM (0PiQ4)

392 Posted by: Jeff B. at April 04, 2013 10:12 PM (/COnL)

dude, wtf??

Posted by: Peaches at April 04, 2013 06:15 PM (8lmkt)

393 383 I do this knowing that my days on this blog (and this planet) are likely sadly quite limited. Someone's gotta carry the "internal opposition" torch around here. That post was about 3,000 words short. Get back to work.

Posted by: Sean Bannion, AoSHQ RINO Enforcement Division at April 04, 2013 06:16 PM (g8woF)

394 Well? Sean? Promise to try good enough for you?

Posted by: Elizabethe at April 04, 2013 06:16 PM (qPCAa)

395 I do this knowing that my days on this blog (and this planet) are likely sadly quite limited. Someone's gotta carry the "internal opposition" torch around here.

Posted by: Jeff B. at April 04, 2013 10:12 PM (/COnL)

 

WTF?   Stop being so cryptic.  What gives!

Posted by: thunderb at April 04, 2013 06:17 PM (+afNf)

396 How  long  until  Karl  Rove  calls  Marco  Rubio  a  quitter? 

Posted by: McCracken...Ernie McCracken at April 04, 2013 06:17 PM (ZETiK)

397 Republican politicians fundamentally don't like white people who are beneath them socially. They want a better base. Got some actual evidence for that? Or is that just standard issue bloviation?

Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 04, 2013 06:18 PM (g8woF)

398 Chromoly man is American History X your favorite movie?

Posted by: Mr Pink at April 04, 2013 06:18 PM (gCzgL)

399 >>>who pulled out his Judge to show me.

You can just start blasting, like Yosemite Sam with that thing.

“Any one-a-you lily-livered, bow-legged varmints care to slap leather with me?”

Oh, and MH, you know I was just funnin' about your 1964 Weejuns.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at April 04, 2013 06:18 PM (4Mv1T)

400 ...Noticed you slipped in the back. Got my right shootin' eye fixed today, so now I can see the gun sight AND the target. Posted by: Tobacco Road I think, if I remember correctly, there's supposed to be a mayo reference. LOL! Glad about your eye. Left Momma' and the boys at the beach last night (dam it's good to be a kid! We were just in the Mtns.). Somebody's gotta' work, to pay for all this "indulgence"! It took me the better part of the day just to empty the e-mails I had "postponed". I did, however, make it to teh gun store for $0.60!!!/rd.(ouch) .223 (1 box) and I bought a sweet verticle fore-rail grip that was relatively cheap. All things considered, I am pretty tickled with life today.

Posted by: Capt. Backfire at April 04, 2013 06:18 PM (mkb9H)

401 Me? Hey, I had to eat. Have you had a good week kid?

Posted by: teej at April 04, 2013 06:18 PM (xhr2b)

402 >>>dude, wtf??

Don't get your panties in a bunch, this isn't some sort of suicide note or any of that pity-party look-at-me crap.  Just health problems.  Talked about them a (very) few times here before, not going to revisit them in detail again, but got some not-so-good news today.

Maybe that's why I sort of freaked out on the Ebert thread.  Actually, yeah, that's exactly why I did.

Posted by: Jeff B. at April 04, 2013 06:19 PM (/COnL)

403 Jeff B i hope and pray you are ok but your post points in the exact opposite direction....i know you were sick and that you stopped talking about it on here .... no one can take your place....

Posted by: phoenixgirl at April 04, 2013 06:19 PM (GVxQo)

404 Hi peaches.

Posted by: Elizabethe at April 04, 2013 06:19 PM (qPCAa)

405 Bitter Clinger, the desert, she is big. And unforgiving. Especially if you aren't supposed to be there, and are unprepared. Strange things have been rumored to happen. Mama winger, if your mother needs help discouraging incursions, let me know.

Posted by: AZ Hi Desert at April 04, 2013 06:19 PM (iObsb)

406 I think Jeff B. is just being an Ebert-loving drama queen.

Posted by: zsasz at April 04, 2013 06:19 PM (MMC8r)

407

We're dying to meet the only conservative in all of American academia. You're so rare you should probably be displayed in a museum.

 

Actually, I know one or two others, and suspect that at least one of my thesis committee back in my grad school days may have leaned conservative.

Posted by: Grey Fox at April 04, 2013 06:19 PM (BsxM8)

408 Okay, if it's health issues, I amend my earlier post.

Posted by: zsasz at April 04, 2013 06:20 PM (MMC8r)

409 Well? Sean? Promise to try good enough for you? No pressure. We like to meet you, but I'm an introvert myself so, i get it Come if you can. Drop me a note so I gave contact info (link in nic) and I'll add you to the distro roster.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 04, 2013 06:21 PM (g8woF)

410 But sadly the other night when I had this really hot blonde 20 year old naked in my bed......

Posted by: Mr Pink at April 04, 2013 06:21 PM (gCzgL)

411 Thomas Sowell and Walter Williams are in American academia.

Posted by: zsasz at April 04, 2013 06:21 PM (MMC8r)

412 hey, e-girl!!  just got told to unbunch my panties by someone who went full-court drama in their precipitating post.  whatever . . .

Posted by: Peaches at April 04, 2013 06:22 PM (8lmkt)

413 Mr. Pink, the little blue pill didn't work?

Posted by: Infidel at April 04, 2013 06:22 PM (gqEUi)

414 Life's a bitch and then you die.

The future's uncertain and the END is always near.

Once you get past about 30 or so, you begin to take those words to heart and start living like there's no tomorrow (without going anarchist or suicidal).

Procrastination can creep up an make you weep for all that you missed.

Enjoy what you can today. Don't put it off to another day. That day will eventually not come.

It's a harsh lesson but once you learn it and understand we're all dead men/women walking, it actually becomes liberating.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at April 04, 2013 06:23 PM (Kpn/z)

415 Jeff B,  I will put you on my prayer list.  I will ask a couple of saints for intercession,  if that is ok with you.

Posted by: Miss Marple at April 04, 2013 06:23 PM (GoIUi)

416 what the hell is wrong with you people...

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at April 04, 2013 06:23 PM (yh0zB)

417 Capt B- Paid .60 myself for .223 about two weeks ago, and it was good Remington stuff. Just enough to replace what I have shot up. I think prices will settle down hopefully.

Just ordered two 10 rd mags from Midway today so I can use the bench rests at the range to get the scope really dialed in good.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at April 04, 2013 06:24 PM (4Mv1T)

418 Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 04, 2013 10:18 PM (g8woF)

I searched for "fundamentally," knowing that no real Moron would use the word (and you didn't cite the comment you were abusing).

Why did you even notice this? It is a mass of nonsensical blather.

You must be bored. Or out of bourbon.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 04, 2013 06:24 PM (0zDXv)

419 GGE- Mustang show at Cary Town Center this weekend? What time?

Posted by: Tobacco Road at April 04, 2013 06:24 PM (4Mv1T)

420 Sean, I'll email tomorrow when not on the damn phone. I would like to meet people too. But will it be all introverts just staring at each other?

Posted by: Elizabethe at April 04, 2013 06:25 PM (qPCAa)

421 just got told to unbunch my panties... Posted by: Peaches at April 04, 2013 10:22 PM If you don't wear any, what's to bunch?

Posted by: Forrest Gump at April 04, 2013 06:25 PM (MhA4j)

422 Hi Peaches! Thomas Sowell and Walter Williams are in American academia. Posted by: zsasz I've been listening to Mike Church and Mark Levin, more and more! There are "true, Constitutional, "r', conservatives, besides us...

Posted by: Capt. Backfire at April 04, 2013 06:25 PM (mkb9H)

423 what the hell is wrong with you people... Who you callin' you people? Is that racist? / sarc

Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 04, 2013 06:25 PM (g8woF)

424 Just go straight to the Big Guy Miss M. Cut out the middle men.

Posted by: teej at April 04, 2013 06:26 PM (xhr2b)

425 Posted by: Tobacco Road at April 04, 2013 10:24 PM (4Mv1T)

I have a bunch of 10 rounders, because I try to obey the law. But a friend of mine in a gun-friendly state has six 30-round mags and two 20-round mags waiting for me.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 04, 2013 06:26 PM (0zDXv)

426 introverts or sausage fest?

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at April 04, 2013 06:26 PM (Kpn/z)

427 240B in my case. I loved road marches in basic. Agony and Misery in the a gentle, steady snow in Dec. at Ft. Knox is strangely one of my strongest, most peaceful memories.

Maybe I'm just crazy.

Posted by: Lazarus at April 04, 2013 08:30 PM (q4ggw)


Not crazy. I have dreams about running alone through the red sand of Area J in the mornings at Ft. Bragg, that part of the day just before it starts getting really hot, pine trees everywhere--dreams so vivid that when I wake up I'm disoriented, as if the dream was real and my very bourgeois, middle-aged life was the dream.

My son is stationed at Ft. Knox, btw (although he's now in Afghanistan). I went through Drill Sergeant School there, decades ago. I know those hills.

Posted by: troyriser at April 04, 2013 06:26 PM (ptcFO)

428 If you don't wear any, what's to bunch?

Posted by: Forrest Gump at April 04, 2013 10:25 PM (MhA4j)


oddly, I wasn't wearing any panties at the time.  still not.  plus, calvins don't bunch in the first place. 

Posted by: Peaches at April 04, 2013 06:27 PM (8lmkt)

429 >>>Jeff B, I will put you on my prayer list. I will ask a couple of saints for intercession, if that is ok with you.

I'm not Catholic but shit, I figure they've been around longer than the rest of us so hey, maybe they really DO know something that Protestants don't.  Thanks..

Seriously people: no need for kind thoughts.  If anything I regret posting in a rush of maudlin foolishness....I'm far more comfortable when Bitter Clinger and Buzzion and Waterhouse et al. are stripping my hide than when people are saying nice things.  Fuck that shit, yo.

Posted by: Jeff B. at April 04, 2013 06:27 PM (/COnL)

430 Peaches no shit. Lol!

Posted by: Elizabethe at April 04, 2013 06:27 PM (qPCAa)

431 Yes, you do need to eat, skinny! Not a good week. I have a vicious case of the sniffles and a cold that won't quit. I'm not getting better. Just sick, sick, sick. And to boot, an undesirable person from my past resurfaced in my life 2 days ago. This is the guy that I expect to show up at my doorstep with rope, duct tape, and a knife. So, I'm good. :-) How bout you? Did you have a nice Easter?

Posted by: L, elle at April 04, 2013 06:27 PM (0PiQ4)

432 ONT up

Posted by: Infidel at April 04, 2013 06:27 PM (gqEUi)

433 Posted by: Capt. Backfire at April 04, 2013 10:25 PM (mkb9H)

I like Mark Levin's intellect, but I wish he would dial back the vitriol just a bit. He sounds like a blow-hard.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 04, 2013 06:27 PM (0zDXv)

434 #426  Ha!  Yes,  I also pray to the big guy.  Sometimes it helps to ask others to pray as well,  including people in heaven.

I'm a Catholic.  It's what I believe.  Others may differ.

Posted by: Miss Marple at April 04, 2013 06:28 PM (GoIUi)

435 You're all SoCon retards who don't understand the FIRST FUCKING THING about national retail politics.

Posted by: Jeff B., back to business as usual at April 04, 2013 06:28 PM (/COnL)

436 GGE- Mustang show at Cary Town Center this weekend? What time?

Posted by: Tobacco Road at April 04, 2013 10:24 PM (4Mv1T)



Nope, that's been moved, both date and location. The HCMC show is now going to be at The Shoppes at Holly Springs on the 11th of May. This weekend is Cars n' Coffee at Waverly Place starting around 8 AM.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at April 04, 2013 06:28 PM (yh0zB)

437 VDH is in academic, too.

Posted by: zsasz at April 04, 2013 06:29 PM (MMC8r)

438 CBD- I had been waiting on 10 rd mags since first of the year. I just want them so I can park the rifle in the bench rest, that the 30 rd mag prohibits. Plus I figure if things get all screwy with mag restrictions down this way, they'll be good to have on hand.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at April 04, 2013 06:29 PM (4Mv1T)

439 #431  OK, then.  Consider it done.  Bless you,  and do not lose heart.

Got to head to bed.  Good night!

Posted by: Miss Marple at April 04, 2013 06:29 PM (GoIUi)

440 Jeff b screw that. I'm saying a bunch of nice things and doing some intercessory prayer for you. What are you going to do about it? Nice things nice things nice things.

Posted by: Elizabethe at April 04, 2013 06:30 PM (qPCAa)

441 Thanks GGE- I've got Cars and Coffee on the calendar monthly. Gonna be chilly again.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at April 04, 2013 06:31 PM (4Mv1T)

442 ...what the hell is wrong with you people... Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde GGE! Missed you, in my "absence". I trust you are "the same". Life has been good lately. Skiing with the teenagers. But dang it!, they have officially eclipsed me. Better lines, better form (almost perfectly parallel), faster. Better! I'm gonna' have to find a new ski partner. They only just "indulged" the "Old Man". F'ing teenagers!

Posted by: Capt. Backfire at April 04, 2013 06:31 PM (mkb9H)

443 Capt. B!- Noticed you slipped in the back. Got my right shootin' eye fixed today, so now I can see the gun sight AND the target. Posted by: Tobacco Road at April 04, 2013 10:07 PM (4Mv1T) ---- Ooooooooo..... tips please. Im struggling with that now. Did you go monovision. The guys at the range are raggin on me for shooting with a pair of readers with one lense taken out.

Posted by: fixerupper at April 04, 2013 06:32 PM (9MmIU)

444 Posted by: Tobacco Road at April 04, 2013 10:29 PM (4Mv1T)

Mine are crappy, all plastic ones that I paid $6 for. They feed if I load nine rounds, but I can't count on them if I load the full 10.

But for the bench? Perfectly fine. If you are in real trouble I'll trade you if you need one or two for the bench.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 04, 2013 06:32 PM (0zDXv)

445 Posted by: Peaches at April 04, 2013 10:27 PM (8lmkt)

Tease.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 04, 2013 06:33 PM (0zDXv)

446 aaand it happened again, didn't it? I can't catch a break.

Posted by: L, elle at April 04, 2013 06:33 PM (0PiQ4)

447 Nice things nice things nice things. He needs a Divine Mercy Chaplet. .

Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 04, 2013 06:33 PM (g8woF)

448 I had Easter Dinner at some friends. Great folks Ans fried chicken. Hadn't had home fried chicken in over 8 years. It was great! Sorry about your sniffles. Do get better. Also, a few days ago I saw you post on the ont about being awake at 3am your time. That's when I get up. I was there 10 minutes but, sadly, you had left. And this unwanted individual should be informed you know people who have skillz. Lots of em here.

Posted by: teej at April 04, 2013 06:34 PM (+jNI+)

449 And to boot, an undesirable person from my past resurfaced in my life 2 days ago. This is the guy that I expect to show up at my doorstep with rope, duct tape, and a knife. So, I'm good. :-) 

Posted by: L, elle at April 04, 2013 10:27 PM (0PiQ4)



so...youse need da boys to come around and 'splain some t'ings to im?

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at April 04, 2013 06:35 PM (yh0zB)

450

You're all SoCon retards who don't understand the FIRST FUCKING THING about national retail politics.

 

And this is what got us where we are.  Fuck retail politics!

Posted by: Infidel at April 04, 2013 06:35 PM (gqEUi)

451 F'ing teenagers!

Posted by: Capt. Backfire at April 04, 2013 10:31 PM (mkb9H)



Oh yeah, it gets worse. My 30 yo son spent his b-day in the jailhouse.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at April 04, 2013 06:36 PM (yh0zB)

452 ...I just want them so I can park the rifle in the bench rest, that the 30 rd mag prohibits. Plus I figure if things get all screwy with mag restrictions down this way, they'll be good to have on hand. Tobacco Road My BiL in Superior, CO bought me 4 "window" Gen 3 PMags in the Magpul "CO Citizen-direct Air-Lift" after that butthole Hickenlooper signed their thing. I'm still waiting for delivery.

Posted by: Capt. Backfire at April 04, 2013 06:37 PM (mkb9H)

453 >>>Ooooooooo..... tips please. Im struggling with that now.

Only had the worst eye done so far. Did not go with the multi focal lens since it is $2k out of pocket per eye. I got the monofocal. I think monovision is when you have one eye for reading and one eye for distance. The one I had done will be set for distance, so I'll need readers with it.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at April 04, 2013 06:37 PM (4Mv1T)

454 Posted by: Jeff B. at April 04, 2013 10:19 PM (/COnL)

Sorry, Jeff B. In those instances in my life where death was breathing down my neck, I've been surprised, thinking about it later, that the dominant emotion I've felt in those times was more than a little frustration mixed with the fear. Too many things undone, too many things yet to see and do. I hope you've had a good run, with lots of good memories. Without getting all maudlin about it, you strike me as one of the good guys.

Posted by: troyriser at April 04, 2013 06:38 PM (ptcFO)

455 449 Nice things nice things nice things. He needs a Divine Mercy Chaplet. . Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 04, 2013 10:33 PM (g8woF) He's Protestant, I didn't want to scare him with technicalities.

Posted by: Elizabethe at April 04, 2013 06:38 PM (qPCAa)

456 He's Protestant, I didn't want to scare him with technicalities. LOL. Good plan. Mrs Bannion is on the St. Jude prayer now.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 04, 2013 06:40 PM (g8woF)

457 Was there 10 minutes later... And no, it didn't happen again. You must be patient grasshopper. It takes awhile to type on this here fone thingy-ma-jig.

Posted by: teej at April 04, 2013 06:40 PM (M7Cfv)

458 Oh! You got my last one. I got yours too. Finally! Yeah, I have had off and on sleep issues. I usually go to bed by 11 and wake up at 5, but there are stretches when I wake up at 3 and can't go back to sleep. I'm not a morning person so I mostly just read the morning threads and don't write. Are you still here or am I talking to myself again?

Posted by: L, elle at April 04, 2013 06:42 PM (0PiQ4)

459 Still here. Have stayed up past my bed time just for you. 0400 is going to come pretty early in the morning. But you're worth it.

Posted by: teej at April 04, 2013 06:45 PM (M7Cfv)

460

There's three options with Rubio.

1) Rubio was dumb/naive enough to hop into the filthy bathwater with Juan McLame and Linda Grhamnesty thinking he could change them. Or at least have an effect on their polished turd. But he had good intentions of trying to effect a decent policy.

2) It was a bullshit political ploy all along.

3) He finds out that it's not polling well and runs from the gang of douchebags.

 

Posted by: Minnfidel at April 04, 2013 06:46 PM (bXdYS)

461 Oh yeah, it gets worse. My 30 yo son spent his b-day in the jailhouse. GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter. Por que? #1 wrecked Mrs. car in the Taco-Bell parking lot 3 weeks ago at 11:30 PM, but thankfully it was just an "accident" no "illicits". Whew!1!!11! TR- I am wearing Bi-focal contacts, and readers. Doc says Lasic is wasted on me, as my "shape" is still changing. Can't catch a break!

Posted by: Capt. Backfire at April 04, 2013 06:46 PM (mkb9H)

462 Heres a big hug for you (((((( tj ))))))))))

Posted by: L, elle at April 04, 2013 06:48 PM (0PiQ4)

463 Teej, I don't want you dragging all day tomorrow bc of me. I know what thats like. Say goodnight to me and say your prayers. If I'm up at 3, I'll come here and we can have coffee together.

Posted by: L, elle at April 04, 2013 06:51 PM (0PiQ4)

464 Capt. Mine wasn't Lasik. I had a big ass Cadillac removed

Posted by: Tobacco Road at April 04, 2013 06:54 PM (4Mv1T)

465 Why, thank you {{{{{{{{ L, }}}}}}} And much as I hate to leave, I really need to hit the sack. Drink lots of fluids, get some rest, eat healthy. I'm so glad we had this time, together Just to have a laugh or sing, a song Seems we just get started and before you know it Comes the time we have to say,,,, so long. Sweet dreams kid. Love each other fellow babies!

Posted by: teej at April 04, 2013 06:54 PM (xDlyw)

466 Goodnight teej. everything you said . . . same, same.

Posted by: L, elle at April 04, 2013 06:56 PM (0PiQ4)

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