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May 30, 2013

McClatchy, CNN Join Boycott of Holder's Spin Session
— Ace

Meanwhile, ABC, the Washington Post, and Politico will attend.

FoxNews just announced it too will boycott the Secret Spin Session.

I don't know how I feel about this last one. I want the secret spin session boycotted, but I also want someone in there who can report on any shenanigans that go on -- softball questions, reporters strategizing with Holder about how to win the media war on this, etc.

That is, I'm less interested in what Holder has to say than what the other reporters have to say.

But I suppose the Media-Government Complex has each others' contact information and can just call one another whenever they like.

Posted by: Ace at 07:54 AM | Comments (230)
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1 Don't worry, we're on it. It's not like Politico would lie to us, or anything.

Posted by: Fox News at May 30, 2013 07:56 AM (5RUlF)

2 Foist?

Posted by: Country Singer at May 30, 2013 07:56 AM (L8r/r)

3 Hah! Sock off!

Posted by: Arms Merchant at May 30, 2013 07:56 AM (5RUlF)

4 dammit

Posted by: Country Singer at May 30, 2013 07:57 AM (L8r/r)

5 Eric Holder wouldn't lie to us. He's an important person.

Posted by: Captain Oblivious at May 30, 2013 07:57 AM (V1ZIU)

6 LooK for a huge News Break for the AP and only the AP,
We in Mexifornia call it a buy/ back....
There There...all is OK

Posted by: Santino at May 30, 2013 07:58 AM (3GuQx)

One of the morons in an earlier thread said Fox News should attend, and send James Rosen as its representative.

I agree. Wholeheartedly.

Posted by: @JohnTant at May 30, 2013 07:58 AM (tVWQB)

8 RSVP by Thursday at 3:00pm.

Posted by: SuperSekrit DoJ Invitation at May 30, 2013 07:58 AM (EgLEt)

Why am I not surprised ABC will attend? Will they send Diane Sawyer, or is it too late in the day and she's already three sheets to the wind?

Any word on if MSNBC, or indeed NBC in general, will send anyone?

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/u][/i][/b] at May 30, 2013 07:58 AM (4df7R)

10 Yes, and the whole thing isn't contrived so it can be spun that it isn't newsworthy.

Posted by: That Guy at May 30, 2013 07:58 AM (iPq1D)

11 I don't get why Holder gets to decide it's "off the record". FoxNews should say "we're attending and reporting every damn word anyone in the room says."

I mean, I get the need for reporters to talk off the record with their sources, but it's not like Holder is ever going to speak to them again anyway...

Posted by: Bertramwooster at May 30, 2013 07:58 AM (yi0Ik)

12 I'm very "remorseful" about the whole thing. Mainly that I got caught.

Posted by: Chinless at May 30, 2013 07:59 AM (5RUlF)

13 Is it byob?

Posted by: Bosk at May 30, 2013 07:59 AM (n2K+4)

14 I think Fox News should attend with James Rosen as their representative.

Posted by: HungarianFalcon at May 30, 2013 08:00 AM (wy+El)

15 So when Holder says it can be on the record, they'll swoon and insist they won as they serve up his propaganda, right?

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at May 30, 2013 08:00 AM (+NYjg)

16 dammit If it makes you feel any better, no one really gives a crap who's first.

Posted by: Claude Bauls at May 30, 2013 08:00 AM (PMGbu)

17 Fox should have sent James Rosen

Posted by: Jolly Roger at May 30, 2013 08:00 AM (Pm4tN)

18 The reason its probably contrived, is that "off the record" with reporters isnt enforceable by law, last I checked.

Posted by: That Guy at May 30, 2013 08:00 AM (iPq1D)

19 Quite frankly I'd want someone in there willing to risk burning all his bridges down for access and simply report every single thing that goes on.

Posted by: buzzion at May 30, 2013 08:00 AM (LI48c)

20 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at May 30, 2013 08:00 AM (/PCJa)

21 For every scandal, spin, spin, spin, there is a secret meeting, spin, spin, spin....

Posted by: GalaKitty at May 30, 2013 08:01 AM (KT2XH)

22 Fox should have sent James Rosen This. Quite frankly I'd want someone in there willing to risk burning all his bridges down for access and simply report every single thing that goes on. This, too.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at May 30, 2013 08:01 AM (/PCJa)

23 Rosen should attend and then report every fucking ~~lie~~ word from with-Holder. If Fox isn't there, how will we know what actually was said without the MFM liberal filters?

Posted by: Schwalbe: The Me-262© at May 30, 2013 08:01 AM (UU0OF)

24 WaPo and Politico same outfit. Funny WaPo is abandoning their leader the NY Slime. It's a local story, yeah that's it.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at May 30, 2013 08:02 AM (wR+pz)

25 Not really surprised that ABC, the WaPo, or Politico would attend. I'm a little more surprised at the small amount of scruples being shown by the wretched hives like the NYT, CNN, and the AP.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at May 30, 2013 08:02 AM (zA7Zp)

26 "I want the secret spin session boycotted, but I also want someone in there who can report on any shenanigans that go on -- softball questions, reporters strategizing with Holder about how to win the media war on this, etc." The point of it being off the record is that you can't report on it. So no point in attending. The best possible outcome from attending is that the reporters know what to ask about next time they get these guys ON the record. Which could be never. And considering that the media is the Obama administration's own personal propaganda department, it's more likely they'll be taking notes on what NOT to ask in order to protect him.

Posted by: Caiwyn at May 30, 2013 08:03 AM (ttktr)

27 I figured FNC was just waiting till the list of those protesting expanded a bit. As for Politico, ABC and WaPo...now we know who the propagandiest of the propagandizers are.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at May 30, 2013 08:03 AM (7ObY1)

This just looks bad. Let's say Putin, callback, was abusing governmental power to spy on and chill journalists (should not be much of a stretch), what would we think about his prosecutor calling in journalists to discuss policy?

In Russia, government covers press.

Posted by: Beagle at May 30, 2013 08:03 AM (sOtz/)

29 Someone will "leak" it and it will be beneficial to the liar 'n Chief.

Posted by: Vic at May 30, 2013 08:03 AM (lZvxr)

30 So what's WaPo's excuse, they feel the need for a fresh protein injection?

Posted by: joncelli at May 30, 2013 08:04 AM (RD7QR)

31 18 The reason its probably contrived, is that "off the record" with reporters isnt enforceable by law, last I checked.
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But it does mean "if you break silence, you'll lose all access."

It's the same reason you hometown newspaper rarely reports on local scandals; offering only the mildest of criticism of city hall or the local sports teams.

People in power are, by and large, petty bitches; obama is a petty bitch writ large.

Posted by: RoyalOil at May 30, 2013 08:05 AM (VjL9S)

32 I mean, I get the need for reporters to talk off the record with their sources, but it's not like Holder is ever going to speak to them again anyway... Because Fox still has some integrity? If anyone says, "Yes, I'll talk with you on the stipulation that it is off the record," you don't get so say, "F*ck that! I'm coming, and you're talking -whether you want to or not!- and I'm reporting every word!" Even if you could, how are you going to force him to say anything? But going in accepting "Off-the-Record" and then reporting specifics anyway is a good way to get other sources never to talk to you again. "Hey, you screwed that guy, why would I believe you won't screw me?" Of course, nothing would prevent them from going in accepting that everything is off the record, record it all anyway (so I have notes to make sure my generalizations and characterizations are correct), and then report without quotes (which is really all "off the record" means) about what goes on.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at May 30, 2013 08:05 AM (/PCJa)

33 What's to stop someone from turning the "off the record" conversation into an "on the record" one?

Seriously? Holder won't invite them to the NEXT off the record discussion he has?

Posted by: looking closely at May 30, 2013 08:05 AM (PwGfd)

34 16 dammit If it makes you feel any better, no one really gives a crap who's first. Posted by: Claude Bauls at May 30 Thank you!!! That "First" shit is so fucking retarded.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at May 30, 2013 08:05 AM (7ObY1)

35 Sharyl Attkinson busy? Or CBS not invited?

Posted by: olddog in mo at May 30, 2013 08:05 AM (Ijr/x)

36 This like one of the optional but mandatory meetings. If you don't show up and kiss the ring, you get sent to the office in Shemya to repair broken copy machines

Posted by: @PurpAv[/i][/b][/u][/s] at May 30, 2013 08:05 AM (giblS)

37 "As I and others have said, everyone should go and everyone should report on it. Just ignore the insistence that it's 'Off The Record'." As satisfying as it would be to watch that happen, it would be extremely bad for journalists to do this. They'd never get any info off the record again. And off the record info is useful when, say, you're talking to a small fry trying to track down a bigger fish. If you can't be trusted with sensitive information then you find yourself not getting any.

Posted by: Caiwyn at May 30, 2013 08:05 AM (ttktr)

38 28 Shit, the racists are coming out of the fucking woodwork! ---- NYT's et.al. won't meet with a BLACK MAN!!

Posted by: That Guy at May 30, 2013 08:06 AM (iPq1D)

39 Send me! Send me!

Posted by: Newsweek at May 30, 2013 08:06 AM (DrC22)

40 Joe Biden can't spell CNN.

Posted by: WalrusRex at May 30, 2013 08:07 AM (Hx5uv)

41 One of the morons in an earlier thread said Fox News should attend, and send James Rosen as its representative.

I agree. Wholeheartedly.

Posted by: @JohnTant at May 30, 2013 11:58 AM (tVWQB)

Fox had reported earlier they would attend. They've changed their mind apparently.

Posted by: Tami[/i][/b][/u][/s] at May 30, 2013 08:08 AM (X6akg)

42 42 Joe Biden can't spell CNN. --- I'm not sure Barry can spell "teleprompter" without it being flashed on a screen within his peripheral vision.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at May 30, 2013 08:08 AM (zA7Zp)

43 yeah, I think it would be super awesome for Fox to send Sean Hannity or Judge Napalm to the secret meeting

Posted by: joeindc44 at May 30, 2013 08:09 AM (QxSug)

44 Oh, and my congressional testimony? Off the record, wingnutz. Retroactively.

Posted by: E. Holder, Esquire (and Vogue) at May 30, 2013 08:09 AM (MMC8r)

45 Not sure about the logic that if they report what was said off the record they will be punished by not getting info in the future. For one thing, they get no info now. And another, supposedly this boycott is a protest. What do they give you after you protest?

Posted by: That Guy at May 30, 2013 08:09 AM (iPq1D)

Joe Biden can't spell CNN.

"Uh... S-E-E... uh... E again.."

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/u][/i][/b] at May 30, 2013 08:10 AM (4df7R)

47 Expect the "off the record" meetings to be SOP for Bronco Bama and his butt pirates from this point on - there are too many leaks in the "SS Choomer" to keep it afloat for the remainder of his term...

Posted by: Pimp Daddy Welfare at May 30, 2013 08:10 AM (Jls4P)

48 The only point to an off-the-record meeting is to issue them spin that they will have to voice as their own.

Posted by: zsasz at May 30, 2013 08:10 AM (MMC8r)

49 Fuck this noise. Amnesty is the real tragedy,

Posted by: Hunker down and L.I.B. at May 30, 2013 08:10 AM (Cs2tJ)

50 This like one of the optional but mandatory meetings.

Bwuhahaha, got one of those in an hour, and the entire department has decided not to attend.

Posted by: SpongeBob Saget at May 30, 2013 08:10 AM (epxV4)

51 Did we ever find out one way or another if Holder did or did not recuse himself from the whole AP thing?

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/u][/i][/b] at May 30, 2013 08:11 AM (4df7R)

52 This whole government is of the record.

Posted by: eleven at May 30, 2013 08:11 AM (KXm42)

53

Question: what would be the consequences of a reporter going into this meeting and simply reporting everything that happens in it? Holder can say, "this is off the record", but can't the reporter just tell him to go f*** himself?

Posted by: dan-O at May 30, 2013 08:11 AM (D0bIN)

54 >>off<< the record.

In the year 2000 will will have preview.

Posted by: eleven at May 30, 2013 08:12 AM (KXm42)

55 So Politico is considered real media? How about the Daily Caller, the Blaze, or Breitbart -- do any of them get invited to these things?

Posted by: Y-not at May 30, 2013 08:12 AM (5H6zj)

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at May 30, 2013 12:05 PM (7ObY1)

That's why it's done. And why I made light of it. To annoy people.

Posted by: Country Singer at May 30, 2013 08:12 AM (L8r/r)

57 Not sure about the logic that if they report what was said off the record they will be punished by not getting info in the future. It's not about burning any bridge with Holder or the WH. It's about burning other bridges. If you're a source for a news agency, and that news agency starts reporting "off the record" quotes, that'll make you a little nervous ever to give them information again. It's the same reason we can't be too picky about those "source who spoke on the condition of anonymity" bits.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at May 30, 2013 08:12 AM (/PCJa)

58 56 Question: what would be the consequences of a reporter going into this meeting and simply reporting everything that happens in it? Holder can say, "this is off the record", but can't the reporter just tell him to go f*** himself? --- The reporter and/or the outlet could be ostracized for a refusal to follow the terms of the meeting.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at May 30, 2013 08:12 AM (zA7Zp)

59 I would love it if one of those who's attending this silly meeting were to lean in really close to Holder and say, "Attorney General, did you order the code red?"

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/u][/i][/b] at May 30, 2013 08:12 AM (4df7R)

60 OT: Yeah, I'm saddened but not surprised, too.

" ORLANDO, Fla. -- A court employee who retrieved photos and deleted text messages from Trayvon Martin's cellphone has been placed on administrative leave after an attorney testified that prosecutors didn't properly turn over the evidence to the defense, an attorney said Wednesday.

Former prosecutor Wesley White said he was ethically obligated to reveal that Fourth Judicial Circuit Information Technology Director Ben Kruidbos retrieved the data that weren't turned over.

Kruidbos was placed on leave shortly after White testified during a hearing in George Zimmerman's second-degree murder case on Tuesday. White said Kruidbos was interviewed by state attorney investigators twice before the action was taken.

White said he wasn't surprised of possible evidence violations by Zimmerman prosecutor Bernie de la Rionda.

"I was saddened by it, but I'm not surprised," he said."

I sure all those text messages were Trayvon asking his mom if there were any household chores he could do to earn a little extra money.

Posted by: WalrusRex at May 30, 2013 08:13 AM (Hx5uv)

61 58 So Politico is considered real media? How about the Daily Caller, the Blaze, or Breitbart -- do any of them get invited to these things? --- No, but I think JournoList does, even though the first and second rule of JournoList is that there IS no JournoList.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at May 30, 2013 08:13 AM (zA7Zp)

62 Oh, and my congressional testimony?
Off the record, wingnutz.
Retroactively.

Posted by: E. Holder, Esquire (and Vogue) at May 30, 2013 12:09 PM (MMC8r)

Why did you forget us, Homie????

Posted by: Jet Magazine at May 30, 2013 08:13 AM (Jls4P)

63 over at hotair, they consider whether news orgs are going to the meeting so as to keep special insider perks. Isn't that along the lines of why some reporters didn't report on the atrocities in Iraq, pre-invasion, because they wanted special access perks thereto?

Posted by: joeindc44 at May 30, 2013 08:13 AM (QxSug)

64 Question: what would be the consequences of a reporter going into this meeting and simply reporting everything that happens in it? Holder can say, "this is off the record", but can't the reporter just tell him to go f*** himself? Sure he can, if he never wants another source ever to talk with him candidly. Ever.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at May 30, 2013 08:13 AM (/PCJa)

65 58 So Politico is considered real media? How about the Daily Caller, the Blaze, or Breitbart -- do any of them get invited to these things?

Posted by: Y-not at May 30, 2013 12:12 PM (5H6zj)

They are not "real media" like Politico because they are not hacks that support Obama's and Democrat's positions in everything they write/do/say.

Posted by: NWConservative at May 30, 2013 08:13 AM (M1gmo)

66 Amnesty is the real tragedy,

Posted by: Hunker down and L.I.B. at May 30, 2013 12:10 PM (Cs2tJ)

You need to learn to multioutrage. Now more than ever.

Posted by: Beagle at May 30, 2013 08:14 AM (sOtz/)

67 I sure all those text messages were Trayvon asking his mom if there were any household chores he could do to earn a little extra money. --- If those are the ones pulled from what appear to be the telcom company's logs, it was probably the conversation about thuggin' it up and being told "You're gonna get a bullet to the chest."

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at May 30, 2013 08:14 AM (zA7Zp)

As satisfying as it would be to watch that happen, it would be extremely bad for journalists to do this. They'd never get any info off the record again. And off the record info is useful when, say, you're talking to a small fry trying to track down a bigger fish. If you can't be trusted with sensitive information then you find yourself not getting any.

Caiwyn at May 30, 2013 12:05 PM (ttktr)

The Attorney General of the United States is a pretty big fish to be claiming rights to an off-the-record conversation.

That alone is a problem.

Posted by: @JohnTant at May 30, 2013 08:14 AM (tVWQB)

69 One of the morons in an earlier thread said Fox News should attend, and send James Rosen as its representative.

I agree. Wholeheartedly.

And then burn Holder by reporting everything that comes out of his lying mouth include "the" and "and".

It's the same reason we can't be too picky about those "source who spoke on the condition of anonymity" bits.

But we know it's not an anonymous source. It's Holder.

Posted by: John P. Squibob at May 30, 2013 08:15 AM (kqqGm)

70 58 So Politico is considered real media? How about the Daily Caller, the Blaze, or Breitbart -- do any of them get invited to these things? This meeting is for bitches only.

Posted by: zsasz at May 30, 2013 08:15 AM (MMC8r)

71 Isn't that along the lines of why some reporters didn't report on the atrocities in Iraq, pre-invasion, because they wanted special access perks thereto? --- Sort of. In CNN's case, they tried to defend the practice by saying "We had employees on the ground and we didn't report some things out of concern for the safety of them and their families."

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at May 30, 2013 08:15 AM (zA7Zp)

72 We'll be sending Baghdad Bob.

Posted by: Po' Little Co. at May 30, 2013 08:16 AM (krHnX)

73 yeah, I think it would be super awesome for Fox to send Sean Hannity or Judge Napalm to the secret meeting

Posted by: joeindc44 at May 30, 2013 12:09 PM (QxSug)

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They should send Bob Woodward and he should report every d*mn word anybody and everybody says.

What are they going to do to him?

Posted by: Nighthawk at May 30, 2013 08:16 AM (OtQXp)

74 All those campaign promises about how if you liked your insurance plan you could keep your insurance plan were off the record.

Posted by: King Barky the Magnificent at May 30, 2013 08:17 AM (Hx5uv)

75 I suspect that what will come out of the sooper-secret off-the-record Freedom of the Press meeting is that one (or more) of the attendees will talk to the other outlets as an "anonymous source". The media are collectively sending just enough people to cover plausible deniability when Holder loses his shit trying to figure out who talked to the other outlets.

Posted by: Country Singer at May 30, 2013 08:18 AM (L8r/r)

76 I'll be there. Surely you can trust me.

Posted by: Ezra Klein at May 30, 2013 08:18 AM (eHIJJ)

Pretty sure AP is out too.

This is good. Everything ABC, Wapo and Politico report on the subject going forward can now be accurately labeled as 'tainted.'

Posted by: CJ at May 30, 2013 08:18 AM (9KqcB)

78 He gave us cookies!

Posted by: MSM at May 30, 2013 08:19 AM (fWAjv)

79 But we know it's not an anonymous source. It's Holder. I wasn't saying that. I was saying the logic is the same. If you want people to be candid with you, sometimes you have to generalize/scrub what they say ("off the record"). Other times, you can quote them, so long as you don't say which "them" you're quoting (anonymous sources). Fox can't go in under the condition that the meeting is "off the record" then publish the whole thing anyway- not because they care one whit about Holder or the White House, but because they still want other sources to talk to them.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at May 30, 2013 08:19 AM (/PCJa)

80 Sure he can, if he never wants another source ever to talk with him candidly. Ever.

Set iPhone to VOX activated record. Toss recording transcript over the transom to some reporter/organization that was NOT there.

The "suspect list" is everyone who was present.

Posted by: @PurpAv[/i][/b][/u][/s] at May 30, 2013 08:20 AM (giblS)

@63

Second degree murder should not have been charged. Even manslaughter is probably a bridge too far once you factor in the MMA-styled assault Zimmerman was undergoing.

So a proper verdict could well be not guilty and inevitably riots. And, yay, I live here. Though I suspect a less-than-murder conviction will spark more violence outside of Central Florida than inside.

Posted by: Beagle at May 30, 2013 08:20 AM (sOtz/)

82 Are they relegated to writing notes after the fact? From memory?

Posted by: RWC at May 30, 2013 08:20 AM (fWAjv)

83 Speaking of Baghdad Bob, did he get executed?

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at May 30, 2013 08:21 AM (wR+pz)

84 Set iPhone to VOX activated record. Toss recording transcript over the transom to some reporter/organization that was NOT there. Yeah, you could do that, but then you start getting into "secret too big to keep" territory. Put another way: The only safe secret is the one no one else knows.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at May 30, 2013 08:21 AM (/PCJa)

85 Actually, what this demonstrates is that some news outlets are not totally and completely shameless. They don't want another load of Holder's bullshit.

Posted by: maddogg at May 30, 2013 08:21 AM (OlN4e)

86 83 Sure he can, if he never wants another source ever to talk with him candidly. Ever. Set iPhone to VOX activated record. Toss recording transcript over the transom to some reporter/organization that was NOT there. The "suspect list" is everyone who was present. --- DC has some stringent wiretapping / recording laws which could make it a major legal issue, IIRC.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at May 30, 2013 08:21 AM (zA7Zp)

87 Are they relegated to writing notes after the fact? From memory? Probably not, but they're probably prohibited from making any audio recordings. And it's really hard to keep up with someone speaking when you're trying to write it all down. Alas, the art of shorthand has mostly disappeared.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at May 30, 2013 08:23 AM (/PCJa)

88 Everything ABC, Wapo and Politico report on the subject going forward can now be accurately labeled as 'tainted.' Going forward? They've been tainted for years.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at May 30, 2013 08:23 AM (7ObY1)

89 84 @63 Second degree murder should not have been charged. Even manslaughter is probably a bridge too far once you factor in the MMA-styled assault Zimmerman was undergoing. So a proper verdict could well be not guilty and inevitably riots. And, yay, I live here. Though I suspect a less-than-murder conviction will spark more violence outside of Central Florida than inside. --- They MIGHT have won a manslaughter conviction. 1st degree murder, though? Very doubtful just short of having a jury full of people holding up Arizona Iced Tea and Skittles.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at May 30, 2013 08:23 AM (zA7Zp)

90 Is today the day that some "news" outlets finally admit they're members of the Fifth Column instead of the Fourth Estate?

Posted by: soothsayer at May 30, 2013 08:23 AM (BUcLz)

91 73 58 So Politico is considered real media? How about the Daily Caller, the Blaze, or Breitbart -- do any of them get invited to these things?

This meeting is for bitches only.

Posted by: zsasz at May 30, 2013 12:15 PM (MMC8r)

Sooo... Politico will be there then?

Posted by: Romeo13 at May 30, 2013 08:23 AM (lZBBB)

92 3616 dammit

If it makes you feel any better, no one really gives a crap who's first.

Posted by: Claude Bauls at May 30

Thank you!!!

That "First" shit is so fucking retarded.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at May 30, 2013 12:05 PM (7ObY1)

Agreed. I don't post much, but I'd love to see bannings for this "First" shit.

Posted by: hindmost at May 30, 2013 08:24 AM (t6Jvs)

93 That's why it's done. So, yelling "FIRST" is a way of making fun of people yelling "FIRST." Got it.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at May 30, 2013 08:24 AM (7ObY1)

94 Sometimes I feel like this godfather deal is all wrong.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at May 30, 2013 08:25 AM (bYRF2)

95 Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at May 30, 2013 12:21 PM

no

Posted by: Baghdad Bob at May 30, 2013 08:25 AM (krHnX)

96 Sorry if it's already been asked, but what happens if reporters go and report what was said anyway?

Posted by: Burn the Witch at May 30, 2013 08:25 AM (NcPjb)

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at May 30, 2013 12:24 PM (7ObY1)

No, it's a way of annoying people preoccupied with other people typing a five letter word.

Posted by: Country Singer at May 30, 2013 08:26 AM (L8r/r)

98 Fox can't go in under the condition that the meeting is "off the record" then publish the whole thing anyway- not because they care one whit about Holder or the White House, but because they still want other sources to talk to them.

And my analogy is that by doing what he done to the AP and Fox/Rosen, Holder has become unreliable. So the media should do to Holder what they have done to the anonymous sources: Burn them. In this case, you burn Holder by printing everything he says, and dare him to do anything about it.

But then, in world where the MSM was not sucking teh current POTUS' crank, Holder would have been crucified since the first day of ~~F&F~~ the New Black Panther Party intervention.

Posted by: John P. Squibob at May 30, 2013 08:26 AM (kqqGm)

99 You keep lyin' when you oughta be truthin'
You keep losing when you oughta not bet
You keep samin' when you oughta be a'changin'
What's right is right but you ain't been right yet

These boots are made for walking, and that's just what they'll do
One of these days these boots are gonna walk all over you

Posted by: Nancy S at May 30, 2013 08:26 AM (e8kgV)

100 Send a temp with a good memory. Give him a bonus and send him on his way.

Posted by: lincolntf at May 30, 2013 08:26 AM (ZshNr)

101 Sorry if it's already been asked, but what happens if reporters go and report what was said anyway? I get Golden Time.

Posted by: Fort Marcy Park Ranger at May 30, 2013 08:27 AM (MMC8r)

102 Dick Durbin can be the doorman for the event.

Posted by: USA at May 30, 2013 08:27 AM (VIaw0)

103 Instead of sending reporters in they should send sketch artists. Like the guy who drew the Unabomber.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at May 30, 2013 08:27 AM (bYRF2)

104 Is today the day that some "news" outlets finally admit they're members of the Fifth Column instead of the Fourth Estate?

Posted by: soothsayer

It's just a lover's tiff. They'll be BFF'ing each other by the end of the month.

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at May 30, 2013 08:28 AM (ZIcZg)

105 31 Someone will "leak" it and it will be beneficial to the liar 'n Chief.

Posted by: Vic at May 30, 2013 12:03 PM (lZvxr)

Money on WAPO

Posted by: gracepmc at May 30, 2013 08:28 AM (rznx3)

106 Tapping phone lines seems a rather minor infraction compared to selling guns to criminals that are linked to border agent deaths, and the deaths of 300+ peaceful Mexicans, who we are not at war with.

Posted by: sTevo at May 30, 2013 08:28 AM (Ue8+L)

107 I mean, is the media that addicted to Obama's little weenie that they're afraid he won't put it in their lying little mouths anymore?

Posted by: Burn the Witch at May 30, 2013 08:28 AM (NcPjb)

108 19 Quite frankly I'd want someone in there willing to risk burning all his bridges down for access and simply report every single thing that goes on. Posted by: buzzion at May 30, 2013 12:00 PM (LI48c) Fox should hire O'Keefe for a day. Can you imagine the head explosions if he walked in there with a press badge?

Posted by: BCochran1981 at May 30, 2013 08:28 AM (da5Wo)

109 So, yelling "FIRST" is a way of making fun of people yelling "FIRST."

Got it.

***

It's like ironic.

Posted by: King Barky the Magnificent at May 30, 2013 08:28 AM (Hx5uv)

110 Can you imagine the head explosions if he walked in there with a press badge? --- That would be particularly fun.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at May 30, 2013 08:29 AM (zA7Zp)

111 That would be Breitbartian.

Posted by: lincolntf at May 30, 2013 08:29 AM (ZshNr)

112 Isn't this rather a zero-sum game though? If it isn't a full boycott then the bullshit will still get out - and only with boot lickers knowing what was said.

Posted by: RWC at May 30, 2013 08:30 AM (fWAjv)

113 And my analogy is that by doing what he done to the AP and Fox/Rosen, Holder has become unreliable. So the media should do to Holder what they have done to the anonymous sources: Burn them. In this case, you burn Holder by printing everything he says, and dare him to do anything about it. I don't disagree necessarily, but then it becomes a "first to the barricades" problem. If Fox goes out there and does that, and no one else follows, they're screwed. And if your "allies" were ABC, WaPo, NBC, and the NYT, would you trust them to back you up?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at May 30, 2013 08:30 AM (/PCJa)

114 Holder to press: Baby, you know I love you. Don't do me this way.

Posted by: soothsayer at May 30, 2013 08:30 AM (Fely/)

115

@92

They only charged second which still requires that common law "depraved" state of mind.

Manslaughter, or negligent homicide, maybe.

But the more they hide exculpatory evidence the less I am convinced they have anything in the murder section of the statutes at all.

Not saying he won't be convicted anyway.

I would love to know how that initial encounter went down. The biggest potential knock on Zimmerman was whatever caused his feeling the need to get close to Trayvon in the first place, unless he is cripplingly nearsighted.

That's the relevant state of mind. Being neighborhood watch, he is probably going to say (if he testifies) to see what was going on. And that is not a depraved state of mind.

Posted by: Beagle at May 30, 2013 08:30 AM (sOtz/)

116 110 I mean, is the media that addicted to Obama's little weenie that they're afraid he won't put it in their lying little mouths anymore? Posted by: Burn the Witch at May 30, 2013 12:28 PM (NcPjb) You are correct.

Posted by: RWC at May 30, 2013 08:30 AM (fWAjv)

117 So ABC, WaPo, and Politico will attend so that they can get their little mouths filled with lies and cum. But mostly cum.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at May 30, 2013 08:31 AM (NcPjb)

118 Tapping phone lines seems a rather minor infraction compared to selling guns to criminals that are linked to border agent deaths, and the deaths of 300+ peaceful Mexicans, who we are not at war with.

****

Barky and Chinless can't understand it. Just a month ago the media were pretending their shit don't stink and now they're nitpicking over every little lie.

Posted by: WalrusRex at May 30, 2013 08:31 AM (Hx5uv)

119 More DHS ammo shennanigans. Who carries .22lr in the field? Remember, we were told repeatedly, that they train with what they carry. http://tinyurl.com/q8qruud

Posted by: rickb223 at May 30, 2013 08:31 AM (YIZv0)

120

Posted by: sTevo at May 30, 2013 12:28 PM (Ue8+L)

The key there is that no reporters were shot with F&F guns, ergo it's a non-story.

Posted by: Country Singer at May 30, 2013 08:31 AM (L8r/r)

121 The firsters and the firster haters gonna rumble.

Posted by: eleven at May 30, 2013 08:32 AM (KXm42)

122 I think Fox should just send their attorney to the meeting.
Actually, I prefer them not attending, as it's the equivalent of saying "I can't be bothered to listen to your excuses. Either put it on the record or bug off"

Posted by: Lizzy at May 30, 2013 08:32 AM (NDNbv)

123

There's a joke in here somewhere, I know it.

"So ABC, WaPo and Politico walk into a bar..."

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/u][/i][/b] at May 30, 2013 08:32 AM (4df7R)

124 126th!!!!!

Posted by: BCochran1981 at May 30, 2013 08:33 AM (da5Wo)

125 Damn

Posted by: BCochran1981 at May 30, 2013 08:33 AM (da5Wo)

126 HAH! beat you, BC!

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/u][/i][/b] at May 30, 2013 08:33 AM (4df7R)

127
They MIGHT have won a manslaughter conviction.

1st degree murder, though? Very doubtful just short of having a jury full of people holding up Arizona Iced Tea and Skittles.

THAT'S SKILLETS... YOU EVIL WHITE DEVIL RACIST CRACKA!!!

Posted by: Rev. Al 'race bait' Sharpton at May 30, 2013 08:33 AM (Jls4P)

128 Oh, gee, Mr. Holder, it appears I butt-dialed my editor when I walked in and he's been listening this whole time.

Posted by: zsasz at May 30, 2013 08:33 AM (MMC8r)

129 IRS agents will deliver sanctioned talking points to all those not in attendance.

Posted by: gracepmc at May 30, 2013 08:35 AM (rznx3)

130 129 HAH! beat you, BC! Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at May 30, 2013 12:33 PM (4df7R) Damn you!!! I will have my revenge!!!!!!!!!11!!!!!

Posted by: BCochran1981 at May 30, 2013 08:35 AM (da5Wo)

131 Firsters, come out to play...eee...aaay!

Posted by: Firster h8rz at May 30, 2013 08:35 AM (krHnX)

132 We don't know exactly what will be said in the secret meeting, but we do know the outcome: --Mistakes were made --Eric Holder ~~has learned his lesson~~ will use this as a teaching moment --Improvements are underway to ensure this never happens again --End of story. Move along.

Posted by: soothsayer at May 30, 2013 08:35 AM (+oin+)

133

What EXACTLY is the point of this meeting anyway? So that Holder can tell all the little reporters and reporterettes the Dos and Don'ts of Confidential Document Leakage and Whistleblowing?

"Do it this way and we won't tap your phones and read your emails. Do it the OTHER way and you'll get tossed in federal pound-you-in-the-ass prison. Any questions?"

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/u][/i][/b] at May 30, 2013 08:36 AM (4df7R)

134

Posted by: rickb223 at May 30, 2013 12:31 PM (YIZv0)

We're starting to see a lot of reports of DHS agents... and DHS vehicles... doing strange things...

Like confiscating video (from the sidebar James OKeefe story)..

Uh... DHS is not a Law Enforcement Agency... that's the FBI... ATF has a very limited Mandate... who are these folks, and just where does their Police Authority come from?

Posted by: Romeo13 at May 30, 2013 08:36 AM (lZBBB)

135 "I want the secret spin session boycotted, but I also want someone in there who can report on any shenanigans that go on -- softball questions, reporters strategizing with Holder about how to win the media war on this, etc."

A mole in one of those outfits would work...

Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at May 30, 2013 08:36 AM (vd7A8)

136 I will have my revenge!!!!!!!!!11!!!!!

Posted by: BCochran1981 at May 30, 2013 12:35 PM (da5Wo)

Hah! I'd like to see you try!

*buffs nails*

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/u][/i][/b] at May 30, 2013 08:36 AM (4df7R)

137

The pro-gun message sent along with the Ricin sounds suspiciously like the anti-black messages found on university professors doors, along with nooses.

Posted by: jwest at May 30, 2013 08:36 AM (u2a4R)

138 Uh... DHS is not a Law Enforcement Agency... that's the FBI... ATF has a very limited Mandate... who are these folks, and just where does their Police Authority come from? But any worry about these RFPs is symply hysterical fear-mongering.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at May 30, 2013 08:37 AM (/PCJa)

139 oh, and, most importantly: -- Even though he had nothing to do with it, Eric Holder is deeply remorseful of what happened.

Posted by: soothsayer at May 30, 2013 08:37 AM (ZgBZU)

140 Uh... DHS is not a Law Enforcement Agency... Posted by: Romeo13 at May 30, 2013 12:36 PM (lZBBB) Oh really? Tell that to the IRS protestors....

Posted by: BCochran1981 at May 30, 2013 08:37 AM (da5Wo)

141 Your mouth. Because I can't have it misrepresent what's going to happen in it.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at May 30, 2013 08:38 AM (NcPjb)

142 Hah! I'd like to see you try! *buffs nails* Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at May 30, 2013 12:36 PM (4df7R) *feeds MWR drinks at MeetUp* Oh, look, it's WashingtonNearsider.... Buahahahaha

Posted by: BCochran1981 at May 30, 2013 08:38 AM (da5Wo)

143 I wonder how much it cost Mayor shithead to get riacin letters mailed to his own fucking nest of imbeciles.

Posted by: maddogg at May 30, 2013 08:40 AM (OlN4e)

144 DC has some stringent wiretapping / recording laws which could make it a major legal issue, IIRC.

That why I said transcript, not THE recording. A recipient of a paper transcript anonymously recived in the mail has no idea how it came to be produced.

It could have been a audio recording, it could have been handwritten notes, it could have originated from a video tape.

Anyone capable of reasonably competent field craft could pull this off and not be ID'd or caught...EVER.

Posted by: @PurpAv[/i][/b][/u][/s] at May 30, 2013 08:41 AM (giblS)

145 Oh really? Tell that to the IRS protestors....

Posted by: BCochran1981 at May 30, 2013 12:37 PM (da5Wo)

Exactly my point. The FBI was kept under the Justice Dept. and not made part of DHS, because they are the internal Law Enforcement unit for the Fed Gov.

Now, we have DHS, who is NOT under the Justice Dept. enforcing Law? on US Citizens?

Is this Obama's ' . We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that weÂ’ve set.

WeÂ’ve got to have a civilian national security force thatÂ’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded.'

Posted by: Romeo13 at May 30, 2013 08:42 AM (lZBBB)

146 52 Fuck this noise. Amnesty is the real tragedy, Posted by: Hunker down and L.I.B. at May 30, 2013 12:10 PM (Cs2tJ) Not in your house it isn't...

Posted by: JQP at May 30, 2013 08:42 AM (GVL0g)

147 144 Your mouth.

Because I can't have it misrepresent what's going to happen in it.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at May 30, 2013 12:38 PM (NcPjb)

I have investigated and determined in fact I did not do anything in your mouth.

Posted by: Eric Holder at May 30, 2013 08:42 AM (LI48c)

148 Posted by: rickb223 at May 30, 2013 12:31 PM (YIZv0) Apparently every department in the Exec branch needs a law enforcement arm. And they apparently need to shoot more live ammo for training annually than every non-ground combat MOS in the Marine Corps. I had stomped my inner conspiracy theorist over these ammo buys in spite of that, but in light of these new scandals, all bets are off.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at May 30, 2013 08:43 AM (NcPjb)

149 146 I wonder how much it cost Mayor shithead to get riacin letters mailed to his own fucking nest of imbeciles. --- Less than he's wasted on straw gun purchases in southern states.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at May 30, 2013 08:44 AM (zA7Zp)

150

Only kind of OT, but that NR Rich Lowry piece in the sidebar about "Being Eric Holder" is awesome.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/u][/i][/b] at May 30, 2013 08:45 AM (4df7R)

151 Good grief Drudge. That shit makes my eyes hurt. Can you at least try to have some semblance of organization with your "important/breaking stories"?

Posted by: BCochran1981 at May 30, 2013 08:45 AM (da5Wo)

152

Posted by: @PurpAv at May 30, 2013 12:41 PM (giblS)

There's no doubt in my mind that those attending today's event will be swept for wires and forced to leave any potential recording devices, to include notepads and writing instruments, outside the room.

Posted by: Country Singer at May 30, 2013 08:46 AM (L8r/r)

153 "I also want someone in there who can report on any shenanigans that go on -- softball questions, reporters strategizing with Holder about how to win the media war on this, etc."

A softball question in a private, off the record conference? This sounds like one of those "if a tree falls in the forest and no one is there to hear it" philosophical lines of inquiry.

What infuriates me -- and has for years -- are the softball questions being pitched at the ON THE RECORD, FULLY PUBLIC press conferences.

Because it's there and then that tough questioning of politicians is desperately needed yet is consistently avoided.

Posted by: torquewrench at May 30, 2013 08:47 AM (gqT4g)

154 I think that this is what Jessie Waters was born to do! I've not been a fan of Bill O'Reilly to begin with but my Dad used to like him (I think he watches more out of habit than anything now)and I notice the show when I'm making dinner, sometimes. There's a segment which Bill apparently LOVES where this ignorant obnoxious "kid" (what is he, 34?)conducts "ambush interviews" and shouts incoherent questions at people as they try to engage in transportation. (Also he does a rip-off of Jay-Walking, which apparently BOR thinks is cutting edge.)

Posted by: Deety at May 30, 2013 08:48 AM (Y4Lwq)

155 119 110 I mean, is the media that addicted to Obama's little weenie that they're afraid he won't put it in their lying little mouths anymore? Posted by: Burn the Witch at May 30, 2013 12:28 PM (NcPjb) I say that we stop calling them reporters but instead what they really are: cocksuckers. cocksucker CS MSM-CS cocksucka! -- Deadwood style! Chuck Todd, Cocksucka! Jake Tapper, Cocksucka! Mike Allen, Cocksucka!

Posted by: Waldo at May 30, 2013 08:49 AM (dHIHO)

156 There's no doubt in my mind that those attending today's event will be swept for wires and forced to leave any potential recording devices, to include notepads and writing instruments, outside the room.

Posted by: Country Singer at May 30, 2013 12:46 PM (L8r/r)

Sadly this.

Are any of the journalists eidetic? (suck it Holder.)

The problem of course is I suspect that a reasonably competent attorney is going to require NDA's out the ass just to sit down. While Holder isn't reasonably competent, someone on his staff will be.

Posted by: tsrblke at May 30, 2013 08:50 AM (GaqMa)

157

Posted by: torquewrench at May 30, 2013 12:47 PM (gqT4g)

If the Government is accountable to the People... isn't EVERYTHING they say ON THE RECORD?

Don't the PEOPLE have a Right to know what our Government SAYs?

Posted by: Romeo13 at May 30, 2013 08:50 AM (lZBBB)

158 Screw ricin, is it possible to weaponize herpes? I don't want them to die, I want to to suffer from embarrassment and strong, incurable genital discomfort.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at May 30, 2013 08:51 AM (NcPjb)

159 Eric Holder: I have nothing to hid. But everything is off the record.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 30, 2013 08:51 AM (1Jaio)

160 I wonder how much it cost Mayor shithead to get riacin letters mailed to his own fucking nest of imbeciles.

Posted by: maddogg at May 30, 2013 12:40 PM (OlN4e)

I was just discussing the same theory with a coworker. Ever notice how these events seem to come and go- get reported on lightly, then forgot about. They'll arrest what seems to be a patsy here and there but we never see a trial. Tin Hat maybe but I put nothing past these potentates. How does the Ricen get in these letters? Wouldn't highly lethal effects of Ricin killed one of these crackpots mailing the shit by now?? Whet the are they getting the shit?

Posted by: dananjcon at May 30, 2013 08:51 AM (jvd3N)

161

Where is everyone today, eh? The HQ is usually hopping this time of day. Everyone on vacation?

*twirls in chair*

Work is boring.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/u][/i][/b] at May 30, 2013 08:52 AM (4df7R)

162 i would suggest they all attend, and leak like a sieve afterwards.

Posted by: willow at May 30, 2013 08:52 AM (nqBYe)

163 Ya'll done with lunch? Ok then. Â“This is a special event because there are a lot of people who have touched my life in so many important ways, who have helped me become the poised and stylish woman that I am,Â” the First Lady said, provoking laughs from the audience. Â“So, I want to thank all of you. I want to thank Tory.Â”

Posted by: RWC at May 30, 2013 08:53 AM (fWAjv)

164 If the Government is accountable to the People... isn't EVERYTHING they say ON THE RECORD?

Don't the PEOPLE have a Right to know what our Government SAYs?

Posted by: Romeo13 at May 30, 2013 12:50 PM (lZBBB)

No. Also, that's an audit.

Posted by: The IRSS at May 30, 2013 08:53 AM (W7ffl)

165 The pro-gun message sent along with the Ricin sounds suspiciously like the anti-black messages found on university professors doors, along with nooses.

***

That was my first thought. It is not a lie if it helps achieve the progressive utopia.

Posted by: WalrusRex at May 30, 2013 08:53 AM (Hx5uv)

166 Screw ricin, is it possible to weaponize herpes? I don't want them to die, I want to to suffer from embarrassment and strong, incurable genital discomfort. I wish there was something that would put a lesion that looks like their balloon knot square in the middle of their forehead.

Posted by: rickb223 at May 30, 2013 08:54 AM (YIZv0)

167 Eric, WE are the deciders. If we choose to cover up for you...you're welcome!

Posted by: The MFM at May 30, 2013 08:54 AM (FcR7P)

168 No, it's a way of annoying people preoccupied with other people typing a five letter word. It's also a prime way to put your personality on display. For better or for worse (in this case).

Posted by: Claude Bauls at May 30, 2013 08:54 AM (PMGbu)

169 Meanwhile, ABC, the Washington Post, and Politico will attend. Not just boot lickers, but, sock eaters.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at May 30, 2013 08:55 AM (XYSwB)

170 "Reporters" now a days are only spokesweenies for Holder and the obama administration anyway... If it weren't "off" the record they would only "report" what makes their messiahs group look good...

Posted by: hello, it's me Donna at May 30, 2013 08:55 AM (9+ccr)

171

Hey, turnabout is fair play. Someone should attend and report everything.

Eric Holder, do you like it when someone does something in your mouth and then denies it or has remorse

Posted by: The Jackhole at May 30, 2013 08:55 AM (nTgAI)

172 I wish there was something that would put a lesion that looks like their balloon knot square in the middle of their forehead. Make that lesion look like Anthony's Weiner and you've got something.

Posted by: t-bird at May 30, 2013 08:55 AM (FcR7P)

173 I mean honestly what if he tells on Himself AND the administration Than they've been sworn to secrecy!?

sorry you can't use that information Ever.

i mean who else is responsible to tell us what is really going on but the media?
and yet they say yeah We'll go and whatever you say is not reportable .

Posted by: willow at May 30, 2013 08:55 AM (nqBYe)

174 Speaking of Baghdad Bob, did he get executed? Wikipedia, for what it's worth (since they aren't always the most reliable source for things politically related), says he's faded from view and currently lives in the United Arab Emirates with his family.

Posted by: Claude Bauls at May 30, 2013 08:56 AM (PMGbu)

175 over at hotair, they consider whether news orgs are going to the meeting so as to keep special insider perks. Isn't that along the lines of why some reporters didn't report on the atrocities in Iraq, pre-invasion, because they wanted special access perks thereto? Posted by: joeindc44 at May 30, 2013 12:13 PM

All Holder has to do is announce a "Blogger's Row" for the OTR meeting, and Poppin' Fresh will be there, waggin' his tail like a happy puppy.

Posted by: MrScribbler at May 30, 2013 08:56 AM (mHrip)

176 Whats up with sammiches being thrown at the Australian PM? Is she a conservative? What a waste, are they Vegimite sammiches?

Don't make me read the article.

Posted by: dananjcon at May 30, 2013 08:56 AM (jvd3N)

177 Work is boring.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at May 30, 2013 12:52 PM (4df7R)

Meh, sorry I just got done with my "exit interview" then came home, realized I left my coffee cup at my (now) old job. (Sigh).

But I'm here now!

By the way, the exit interview was crap. They basically handed me a final review and said "have a good day."

It looks like AtC was close to the mark. Less that they were concerned I'd go "whistleblower" and more they got tired of me finding problems they had to fix. (They actually noted that my "analytical mind" caused me to produce work "in greater detail than needed" but later went to say "this lead to the finding of many problems, which was good."

Meh, I asked them about my output speed back in October and got "You're good." So clearly it's that last part not being as "good" as mentioned.

Posted by: tsrblke at May 30, 2013 08:57 AM (GaqMa)

178

I wish there was something that would put a lesion that looks like their balloon knot square in the middle of their forehead.

That's a side effect of islam.

Posted by: Not a Dr. Moron at May 30, 2013 08:57 AM (EgLEt)

179 http://t.co/opTtQsp3if

"...The Chicago Sun-Times has laid off its entire photography staff, and plans to use freelance photographers going forward, the newspaper said.

About 20 full-times staffers received the news Thursday morning, according to sources familiar with the situation.

The newspaper released a statement suggesting the move reflected the increasing importance of video in news reporting..."

*****
What is this new-fangled "video" thing they're going on about...?

Posted by: B at May 30, 2013 08:57 AM (VC56G)

180 Whats up with sammiches being thrown at the Australian PM? Is she a conservative? Not at all, the complete opposite.

Posted by: t-bird at May 30, 2013 08:57 AM (FcR7P)

181 If there's any windows in the room, it could be bugged from the exterior with a laser. There exists gear that measures the minute vibrations of the glass.

A bug sweep can only detect that which is on when the sweep happens. A turned off device emits no RF or EM fields.

Posted by: @PurpAv[/i][/b][/u][/s] at May 30, 2013 08:58 AM (giblS)

182 Speaking of Baghdad Bob, did he get executed?

Wikipedia, for what it's worth (since they aren't always the most reliable source for things politically related), says he's faded from view and currently lives in the United Arab Emirates with his family.

***

But he claims he is living in Beverly Hills and hosts orgies for Hollywood stars.

Posted by: WalrusRex at May 30, 2013 08:58 AM (Hx5uv)

183 Okay -- my takeaway from this thread is weaponized herpes.

Posted by: eleven at May 30, 2013 08:58 AM (KXm42)

184

OT: Michelle Obama to wealthy dem donors:

Just last month for example we saw the failure of common sense legislation to protect our kids from gun violence, legislation by the way that 90 percent of the American people supported. WeÂ’re seeing a budget stalemate and a sequester resulting in children across the country being turned away from Head Start, and so many seniors losing their meals on wheels, and now thereÂ’s talk about cutting food stamps,Â” Obama said.

The First Lady described these cuts as Â“not what this country is about.Â”

Shameful. Those mean nasty wingers are stealing food out of children's and grandparent's mouths and want gun violence to escalate!!

I have never in my lifetime heard a first lady talk like this. Low class.

Posted by: cheri at May 30, 2013 08:59 AM (G+Wff)

185 Dumb reporters. GO! Take and extra recorder, strapped to your ankle!

Posted by: mojo at May 30, 2013 08:59 AM (B/weO)

186 Whats up with sammiches being thrown at the Australian PM? Is she a conservative?
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"She's an unmarried atheist that lives with her boyfriend."

Arrive at your own conclusion.

Posted by: Hunker down and L.I.B. at May 30, 2013 08:59 AM (Cs2tJ)

187 The Chicago Sun-Times has laid off its entire photography staff, and plans to use freelance photographers going forward, the newspaper said. /single tear Couldn't happen to a nicer bunch.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at May 30, 2013 08:59 AM (NcPjb)

188 The Chicago Sun-Times has laid off its entire photography staff, and plans to use freelance photographers going forward, the newspaper said. About 20 full-times staffers received the news Thursday morning, according to sources familiar with the situation. Obama! Forward! They didn't build that anyway.

Posted by: rickb223 at May 30, 2013 09:00 AM (YIZv0)

189 anyway this is actually funny.

They spend years Not reporting on anything that would Damage the administration until He was re-elected, Now they are being asked Publicly to do the JOB for the President they Have been doing for the last 5 + years.

Posted by: willow at May 30, 2013 09:00 AM (nqBYe)

190

Posted by: @PurpAv at May 30, 2013 12:58 PM (giblS)

If the meeting is at the DoJ I'm fairly certain they've taken the fairly minor precautions to protect against laser mics.

I'm only passingly familiar with them, but IIRC two pane soundproof glass helps as well they put vibration generators in the wall/windows to disperse them.

I like the idea, but this administration is paranoid, it's going to be an "empty your pockets, and submit to this patdown" kinda thing if they really don't want it on the record.

(But I dunno why they care, my guess is it's all just going to be platitudes all day long with no real substance.)

Posted by: tsrblke at May 30, 2013 09:01 AM (GaqMa)

191 I have investigated and determined in fact I ~~did not do~~ have no memory of my being informed that I did anything in your mouth.

Posted by: Eric Holder at May 30, 2013 12:42 PM (LI48c)

FIFY.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at May 30, 2013 09:02 AM (zF6Iw)

192 uhg,back outside with me.

Posted by: willow at May 30, 2013 09:02 AM (nqBYe)

193 189 Whats up with sammiches being thrown at the Australian PM? Is she a conservative? ------- "She's an unmarried atheist that lives with her boyfriend." Arrive at your own conclusion. --- Godless harlot? Must be a liberal.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at May 30, 2013 09:02 AM (zA7Zp)

194 NOT FIRST!!!!

Posted by: NOT FIRST at May 30, 2013 09:03 AM (i5ol1)

195 Screw ricin, is it possible to weaponize herpes?

I don't want them to die, I want to to suffer from embarrassment and strong, incurable genital discomfort.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at May 30, 2013 12:51 PM (NcPjb)

Sandy Fluke, your country needs you!

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at May 30, 2013 09:04 AM (zF6Iw)

196 NOT FIRST!!!!

They say when a man stops believing in First he will believe anything.

Posted by: eleven at May 30, 2013 09:04 AM (KXm42)

197

What I find amazing is that the PRESS does not get how this is making them look.

That there are 'off the record' meetings AT ALL between the Press and High Ranking Government Officials, is an indictment of the PRESS.

We give the Press extra protection under the Law, and Constitution because they are supposed to help to safeguard our Liberty... but when they are coopted to the point where they are having meetings, with Government, that they cannot tell the PEOPLE about?

They then enter the Category of Pravda....

Posted by: Romeo13 at May 30, 2013 09:05 AM (lZBBB)

198 ace must be worn out from such an early post.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at May 30, 2013 09:06 AM (NcPjb)

199 Whats up with sammiches being thrown at the Australian PM? Is she a conservative?
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"She's an unmarried atheist that lives with her boyfriend."

Arrive at your own conclusion.

**

Fascinating, I just may read the article afterall.

Posted by: dananjcon at May 30, 2013 09:06 AM (jvd3N)

200 Yeah, I hit you, but it's only because I love you.

Posted by: Eric Holder to the First Amendment at May 30, 2013 09:07 AM (RD7QR)

201 What I find amazing is that the PRESS does not get how this is making them look.

The press hasn't cared how it looks for them to lick the president's balls for the last five years, so why should this bother them?

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at May 30, 2013 09:07 AM (8ZskC)

202 Obama knows that the next USAG will be grilled like no other ever has.

Besides, the obvious questions from these scandals, the candidate will be asked if federal protection of Civil Rights laws only apply to Â“minorities,Â” the effective scope of Congressional subpoenas, when the President is allowed to assert Â“executive privilege,Â” and when not, and when the President may make recess appointments.

The ambiguity of these questions has served Obama well. Letting Holder go will occur only when ObamaÂ’s personal approval ratings fall.

Posted by: Felix Frankfurter at May 30, 2013 09:08 AM (e8kgV)

203

Okay -- my takeaway from this thread is weaponized herpes.

I saw Weaponized Herpes open for Iggy and the Stooges at CBGB's.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at May 30, 2013 09:08 AM (zF6Iw)

204 164 Where is everyone today, eh? The HQ is usually hopping this time of day. Everyone on vacation? *twirls in chair* Work is boring. Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at May 30, 2013 12:52 PM (4df7R) THIS I've got three projects sitting on my desk. I don't want to start any of them. Why you ask? Because these are proposals 5, 6 and 7 for the same damn company. "Well, what if we rented space in this building? Or this one? Or this one? Or this one on the 10th floor? Or the 14th? Oooo...what if it was in Building #2 but the layout was like this?"

Posted by: BCochran1981 at May 30, 2013 09:08 AM (da5Wo)

205 The AG of the United States should never be off the record with the media. EVER.

If its about something really nasty related to terrorism, genuine national security, mob investigations, etc, then the AG should be shutting the fuck up and not saying anything about it.

This reeks.

Posted by: @PurpAv[/i][/b][/u][/s] at May 30, 2013 09:10 AM (giblS)

206 That there are 'off the record' meetings AT ALL between the Press and High Ranking Government Officials, is an indictment of the PRESS. Exactly my thoughts. To have a press conference where the press can't report what was said, basically defeats the purpose does it not? Unless it's about coordination, then it makes perfect sense.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at May 30, 2013 09:10 AM (NcPjb)

207 Anyone heard what those brilliant legal analyst the Dixie Chicks have had to say about la affair Rosen? Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at May 30, 2013 01:10 PM (OWjjx) snarfflajgaljadfjzioxuwl.........MOAR KFC!!!!!!!

Posted by: BCochran1981 at May 30, 2013 09:11 AM (da5Wo)

208 I say go and then leak every word ...

Posted by: JeffC at May 30, 2013 09:14 AM (A3tpD)

209 So the Vichy media is putting their attendance on the record? That's really all I need to know. Excelllent! /burns

Posted by: phunctor at May 30, 2013 09:14 AM (4wLfM)

210 Nood up.

Posted by: rickb223 at May 30, 2013 09:15 AM (YIZv0)

211 What will Barry Caligula do if his MFM Praetorian Guard turns on him?

Posted by: TheQuietMan at May 30, 2013 09:15 AM (1Jaio)

212 Off topic - but part of the Obama Scandalpalooza - I think I have figured out why IRS head Shulman went to the White House so often:

He was having an affair with Kathryn Ruemmler.

Once again Ruemmler - who was profiled recently as having fabulous shoes and long suspected of being the blond in the DSW shoe ads - is at the heart of yet another administration scandal.

Is there no end to this evil woman's treachery? First she uses her auto-pen to forge Eric Holder's name on the Rosen warrant - and then she imitates the President and issues the Code Yellow stand down order in the Benghazi incident.

The only reason she still has her job is that the White House wants to read in the newspapers what other fiendish plots she has hatched to betray our dear leader - perhaps she has stolen his nose before it could be cloned.

Posted by: [/i] An Observation at May 30, 2013 09:15 AM (ylhEn)

213 Yeah, I'm pretty sure Dad is OVER Bill O'Reilly. He KNOWS how easy it is to get an hyperbolic freak-out out of me by mentioning, "Who's looking out for you?" It's like a family joke, now. No matter how low I feel, no matter how discouraged or distracted, I can ALWAYS go on an impassioned and animated rant about BOR, mostly structured around; the arrogance of being both patronizing and stupid, he went to Harvard, speculators... It changes, it's a pretty fluid thing that's mostly improvisational but there's the skeleton. It might be especially funny because no-one in our family is physically demonstrative, I don't know. And it cracks my Dad up EVERY time. Only 3 times to tears. He loves that he can get 4 more "words of the day" to apply to BOR from me any time, any day, at the drop of a hat! (And no, they are NOT cuss words. Never. That would miss the joke.)

Posted by: Deety at May 30, 2013 09:17 AM (Y4Lwq)

214 We will know, soon enough, the propaganda spewed via the WaPo talking code. Let me guess: all of this is trumped up nonsense by those rascally Repubs.

I think FOX was correct in not joining this little party...what is the point? They supposedly cannot report what is said, right? Any bets someone will leak what is said anyway? It would certainly serve them right.

The irony cannot escape even the most liberal of libtards: an off the record meeting to discuss violations of free press. Orwell wuz here.

I hope and pray the Chicago tactics are daily biting them on the butt. The Chicago firewall is Holder. Jarrett must be working around the clock to control this tsunami of scandals bursting the dike (I had to mention Janet N. here). The wheels are rapidly coming off the bus. I am loving it.

When are the next Congressional Hearings? I want Issa and Gowdy to rock and roll.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky is thankfully not the Duchess of Alba at May 30, 2013 09:19 AM (baL2B)

215 Kathryn Ruemmler ordered the Benghazi "stand down?" Really?

Posted by: ChristyBlinky is thankfully not the Duchess of Alba at May 30, 2013 09:21 AM (baL2B)

216 164 Where is everyone today, eh? The HQ is usually hopping this time of day. Everyone on vacation?

*twirls in chair*

Work is boring.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at May 30, 2013 12:52 PM (4df7R)

THIS

I've got three projects sitting on my desk. I don't want to start any of them.

Why you ask?

Because these are proposals 5, 6 and 7 for the same damn company.

"Well, what if we rented space in this building? Or this one? Or this one? Or this one on the 10th floor? Or the 14th? Oooo...what if it was in Building #2 but the layout was like this?"

Posted by: BCochran1981 at May 30, 2013 01:08 PM (da5Wo)

I actually have been busy this morning, doing my part to help along the Obama economy. I ordered a new 12,000.00 parts washer for the shop. And started a new spread sheet to track fuel usage/expense, we think we're getting boned from one of the local stations.

Posted by: dananjcon at May 30, 2013 09:23 AM (jvd3N)

217 Alienating the Press...interesting tactic on the Administration's part.

Posted by: Sgt. York at May 30, 2013 09:23 AM (KIeJ9)

218 I thought Fox should attend, wear a wire, then release audio of the meeting and dare Holder to do a fucking thing about it.

Posted by: JEM at May 30, 2013 09:26 AM (o+SC1)

219 Kathryn Ruemmler ordered the Benghazi "stand down?" Really?

You don't think Teh Won would do something like that do you? Why that would be the act of a cowardly buffoon that could get him hanged for dereliction of duty in the face of the enemy during time of war.

Surely President Barky Odogeater would never do anything like that - he could only have been betrayed by somebody on his White House staff. All the Clues say:

Ruemmler in the West Wing with an auto-pen{/i]

Either that or Pierre the White House French Pastry Chef with a Croissant in the Kitchen.

Posted by: [/i] An Observation at May 30, 2013 09:34 AM (ylhEn)

220 Wait what is this thing that looks like a bucket all around me?

Posted by: [/i] An Observation at May 30, 2013 09:35 AM (ylhEn)

221 Fuck Holder and his off the record for the record BS. Enjoy the swirl you piece of shit. AP should go, record his lying sack of shit ass, and then 'leak' that. Two can play this game.

Posted by: Melodicmetal at May 30, 2013 09:36 AM (QY9FJ)

222 Two people can't even keep a secret in D.C. and they expect a room full of reporter to?

This whole scheme is designed to be a sieve.

Posted by: @PurpAv[/i][/b][/u][/s] at May 30, 2013 09:46 AM (giblS)

223 * crickets *

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at May 30, 2013 10:10 AM (GQ72I)

224 Fox should go in, agree to be off the record, and then tell them to go fk themselves and report it verbatim. AP got little more than what they deserved for all of their Obama team play, but I think Fox are owed a free nutshot.

Posted by: Dirks Strewn at May 30, 2013 10:19 AM (VLifP)

225 How is it that this "unofficial, off the record" meeting is supposed to STAY off the record ? Fuck that. Agree to the meeting and then spill every bit of it. Every single person with half a brain knows this shit shouldn't be going on anyway, so what it the possible downside ? The White House is going to cut off access to Fox News ? Yeah, right. So fucking stupid.

Posted by: deadrody at May 30, 2013 10:33 AM (osIoP)

226 Wouldn't highly lethal effects of Ricin killed one of these crackpots mailing the shit by now?? Whet the are they getting the shit? It is well known that Ricin's (as delivered by US Mail) lethality is in inverse proportion to the "profile", if you will, of the intended target. Experts caution us to be very careful to distinguish between "fame", "notoriety" and "profile". Studies released by the NIH reveal Ricin to be relatively benign when shoveled by the truckload up the noses of "famous" figures like Lindsay Lohan, Charlie Sheen and Amanda Bynes. "It's like they didn't even notice the difference", says one NIH reasercher, "I could have been Mrs. Oleson, substituting Folgers Crystals!" ** It turns out that Ricin may have longer-term injurious effects on the "notorious" or at least those who desire to be such. So now, we look at the two most interesting populations of Ricin Poisoning. The "obscure" and the "profile". These are two very disparate groupings of subjects on pretty much every socio-economic measure. They are, by and large, consistently opposite sides of any bell curve you could draw, except for intelligence (they kind of hover between 87 & 102, with an average of 94 over 30 yrs.) The most "obscure" AND the most "profile" segments of the population both seem to be immune to the lethal effects of RICIN. **The researcher has since left the NHS citing, Academic Disagreement about the Results of the Study, Disagreement about the Resources Allotted for the Experiment, and continues to question the Medical Ethics of the Project.

Posted by: Deety at May 30, 2013 10:35 AM (Y4Lwq)

227 "Sure he can, if he never wants another source ever to talk with him candidly. Ever." Being a reporter is bad for a journalist's career. Whereas agreeing to hide information from your readers brings no consequences because no one even knows who they are. But, really, they don't need to send an actual journalist with a career to fret about. Send a producer or an editor. They know how to take notes, don't they?

Posted by: GalosGann at May 30, 2013 11:07 AM (T3KlW)

228 So, what story is Holder going to try to get the "news organizations" to buy, ala Benghazi, to justify the wire-tapping--that a dark cabal exists in America, ready to try to impose their will if they could? I mean, one would think those left-leaning organizations would already know....being part of it and all. But perhaps Holder will mean some *other* plausible scenario of folks scurrying around in the dark.

Posted by: J. T. Church at May 30, 2013 12:09 PM (ILIHz)

229 We'll be handing out team uniforms!

Posted by: Eric Holder at May 30, 2013 04:17 PM (SzAZ7)

230 Testing newly repaired internets.

Posted by: Ed Anger at June 01, 2013 09:39 PM (tOkJB)

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