1 Medicaid....  it's good for what ails ya...  money is no object

2 Medicare/Medicaid = Anti-depressive OCare = Suicidal tendencies

3

The new $100-bill design will fix everything.

4

"I believe leftists understand that the public will not go for a simple transfer of cash from one man to another. The public does not agree, to offer a specific hypothetical, that it is moral to take $5000 from the rich man to give that $5000 to the poor man."

--

I disagree.  For evidence, I present the 2012 presidential election.

5 I'll take amusing Medicaid anecdotes for $500 Alex...

6 Where is the study of the impact of increased access to Medicaid on the levels of rage, frustration and depression by those of us working so as to pay the taxes to pay for other people's medical care? How about that, hmmmm?

7 Medicaid.... it's good for what ails ya... money is no object Unless you are over 75 and have cancer

8

They need to do a medical savings account test program with Medicaid eligible patients and see how that works.  At end of year , the patient would receive some  percentage of the money left in the account.

 

I would bet all of ace's money  that you would see a significant decrease in depression and amount of treatment.   Everybody  wins. 

9 Saw this yesterday. Unfriggin believable

10 tl;dr My plan is to never get sick. Oh...and work till I die.

11

>>should be updating in light of this new information....

 

Does free healthcare reduce naivety?

12 Oh fuck, I was depressed when I turne don the Ace, now I'm even more depressed.WTF!

13 >>>I disagree. For evidence, I present the 2012 presidential election. true but men will choose immorality more often when someone offers some kind of pretext of justification... in these sorts of matters, debunking the justification is still important. People do have a natural tendency to steal that which does not belong to them. But they also want to think of themselves as the sort of people who do NOT steal. The justification, the bullshit, the spin, permits them to have their cake and eat it too. Forcing them to choose is a positive step.

14 Unless you are over 7545 and have cancer

FIFY

15 But.. but.. but.. MILLIONS of people DIE every year for lack of healthcare/insurance!11!  People are dying in the streets man!1!

Now you heartless bastard Rethuglikans use scientific facts to refute that???1? 

16 ace, uh hmm, out of the goodness of their hearts , they Must make it possible  to get Their  a cut of the action

17
Rest assured, magical green energy will solve all our problems, one day.

18 I was going to read the whole post but got sleepy in the middle, needed some gay sex or something to keep my interest.

19
Does free healthcare reduce naivety?

Posted by: Mama AJ at May 03, 2013 02:18 PM (SUKHu)

Hey!  Good to see you....where the heck have you been? 

20 Medicaid is sooper awesome... unless of course you have ANY money saved up...   and once you're completely dependent on the Govt for care, they'll decide.... oh yea,  they'll decide what's in your best interest.  Promise.  Twinkie Promise.  Rhomma bingo dingle spit.  See?  How easy was that?

21 There is no "impact multiplier" attached to the transfer; taking $5000 from the rich man to give $1500 in benefits to the poor man simply results in the poor man having an extra $1500, the rich man being poorer by $5000, and the government richer by the $3500 Sovereign Vig. So it costs 70 cents on the dollar to pass out our money? Nice.

22 kids are here.

have a nice day.

23 Being a good Bayesian, I would speculate and extrapolate that Ace here is saying that Medicaid is an abject and complete failure.

24

Like our tax laws, a vast bureaucratic tract of insurance and insurance/legal   compliance  (holding  hands over  chest like boobs)  eats up  maybe the majority of our health care dollars.  

 

Doctors who work for cash can charge crazy low prices compared to "free" insurance thanks to compliance costs which are  only  spiraling up like a mushroom cloud from Obamacare.  

 

Note on multipliers: tax revenue and borrowed money has a multiplier effect which is removed from the economy when government spends it.  Little things like R and D, new jobs,  customer service  or  consumer spending.    The government always ignores that.   Carry on.  

25 >>>So it costs 70 cents on the dollar to pass out our money? Nice. that's my guestimate, I have no idea.

26

I'm concerned about the waste in Medicaid   but not as much as I am about SSDI (social security disability).

 

What  a  sham.  

27 well at least we literally sacrificed  hwo many hours at minimum wage as a blood sacrifice to the Founder's sins?

7.5 trillion divided by say 7.50 an hour....

1 trillion hours.....

2,739,726,027 or so years

28 We all know they aren't pushing Medicaid (or any statist program for that matter) to help poor people or any other such bullshit. The program is just a vehicle to justify stealing money from the producer, the end goal is for the statist to keep as much of that money as they can get away with. Everything else is just excuses and more bullshit.

29 AceofSpades, when 15,000 words just won't do.

30 The supposed Party of Science sure seems to prefer Faith & Dogma to actual Science. To screenwriters and liberals, science and magic serve exactly the same function and flow from the same source.

31 Ace Trying this again-- the MIT officer who was killed his name is-- SEAN COLLIER Not Collins.

32 This reminds me of the study that showed any positive effect a kid might have from Head Start evaporates by third grade...but we still have to keep funding and expanding it, because it funnels money into communities that vote 100% Obama.

33 Medicaid lowers   the oceans,  cleans the air and cures the lepers!!!111!!!!

34
Am I to believe that Toure has not said anything monumentally asinine this week?

35 I was going to read the whole post but got sleepy in the middle, needed some gay sex or something to keep my interest.

Posted by: Dr Spank at May 03, 2013 02:19 PM (4cRnj)

 

you could watch a couple of episodes of The Big Bang Theory.

36 tasker, thanks I'll correct.

37 Forcing them to choose is a positive step.

Posted by: ace at May 03, 2013 02:18 PM (LCRYB)

-

That is true.  A tough row to hoe, though.  We can't even get local press to admit that government funds aren't 'free money'.

38 That debt number makes me depressed PAYDAY!!!!

39 Bayesian logic is an attempt to INCLUDE ALL POSSIBLE information in calculating probabilities and likelihoods. 

For example:  Chance a random card in a deck is a club = 1/4
However, let's say you flip over three cards and they are all clubs, a Bayesian calculation would take that into account and demonstrate the probability the next card is a club is less than 1/4.

40 SEAN COLLIER Not Collins. He's got teh ghey on the brain.

41
So now I'm confused. Did teh Ewok like this movie or not like this movie?

42 you could watch a couple of episodes of The Big Bang Theory. Posted by: polynikes


It's that kind of reckless rhetoric that keeps people gay.

43 Don't get me started with HeadStart.. they have expanded that program now to early head start where the government has people coming over to people homes to help them care for and, purportedly "teach", infants!  WTF????

44 Ya know what makes me feel better?  Only reading the headline to a long article and then commenting anyway.

45 >>>So it costs 70 cents on the dollar to pass out our money? Nice. that's my guestimate, I have no idea. Posted by: ace at May 03, 2013 02:20 PM (LCRYB) I would be ecstatic if it were that low. Can we at least use this study as evidence that lack of access to insurance is not the same as lack of access to healthcare? Because it most certainly seems to prove that. I know, I know, I'm horrible and terrible and evil for pointing out facts and what not. I'm so terribly sorry.

46 I'm concerned about the waste in Medicaid but not as much as I am about SSDI (social security disability). What a sham. Posted by: polynikes at May 03, 2013 02:20 PM (m2CN7) It's all a sham and the only winners are the Fed Employees. You are not making any kind of a living on SSI. Even if you work for cash, you prolly are not making that much. What pisses me off are people like my electrician friend that makes 100K+ a year and at 68 years of age still gets $1800 a month in SSI. How does that happen?

47 The directors' cut of this medicaid movie is even worser...  just sayin' you guys.. 

48 Only one conclusion that can be drawn from this study: Stop studying Oregon.

49 PAYDAY!!!! Posted by: Navycopjoe in sunny Waikiki

That's also a candy bar and now I want one.

50 you could watch a couple of episodes of The Big Bang Theory.

I watched the pilot last night and the only time I laughed was "No, I'm from Omaha."

51 I have looked into many government programs, trying to see how they justify taking my money for them,  and rarely do I see any evidence of a positive multiplier effect.  In fact, it is very    common to see a negative multiplier effect of around 30%, not counting fraud.

52 wow.  I was expecting a movie review.  I feel depressed now

53

>>>>>What pisses me off are people like my electrician friend that makes 100K+ a year and at 68 years of age still gets $1800 a month in SSI. How does that happen?

 

 

Some people are more equal than others?

54 The left avoids activating this rejection of their schemes by not casting them as simple rob-Peter-to-pay-Paul schemes, but as schemes which go beyond simple cash transfers.

They also use the faux moral argument, to wit, the rich guy is rich because he's evil and unfair and exploits the poor guy, and now you want to deny the poor guy even a little bit of payback by not making the rich guy pay for the healthcare the poor guy needs as a result of his exploitation?  What kind of monster are you?

55
Speaking of Joe Biden...

Here's the unedited version of his speech:

"Do you know why they raped Jodie Foster on the pinball machine? Because someone was playing Pac Man!"

56 Medicaid the Musical
"Like a surgeon cutting for the first time!!!"

57 That's also a candy bar and now I want one. Posted by: Dang at May 03, 2013 02:25 PM (R18D0) OOO they are the best, Caramel and salted peanuts, MMMM.

58 So now I'm confused. Did teh Ewok like this movie or not like this movie? I don't know but it cost a lot of money whatever it was.

59
Ya know what makes me feel better? Only reading the headline to a long article and then commenting anyway.

Posted by: Dang at May 03, 2013 02:24 PM (R18D0)

You read the headlines before commenting? Dedicated moron you are you are.

60 One of the first things that happens when someone goes on Medicaid is they get pills (like anti-anxiety meds, antidepressants, SSRI's, pain killers, antibiotics, etc.). After all, they did mention that using health care goes up, and what does a doctor usually do to fix what ails you? S/he medicates the patient. So if the question they ask is "How do you feel?" then isn't the correct answer "Higher than a kite, thanks!" The correct interpretation of the study is that we are spending $7.5 trillion on a program to medicate people so they think they feel better. Having someone else paying the bills is just gravy...

61

you know who got cured of his depression for far less cost?

 

speed bump

 

just went on a little drive

62 Thunderb, give me a few minutes and I could write one on Iron Man 3.

63 realized it was all just a few bumps in the road

64 ... whaatt... don't drive over me bro!...   thump

65 Ya know what makes me feel better? Only reading the headline to a long article and then commenting anyway.

Posted by: Dang at May 03, 2013 02:24 PM (R18D0)



You read the headlines before commenting? Dedicated moron you are you are.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur


Maybe "skim" is the word I was looking for.

66 he realized he needed to get more down to earth

67 The non-reaction from the left is predictable. They don't care whether there is actual accomplishment of goals. They want to expand government control and intrusion in our lives. They want to delude themselves into thinking that they are making things better. Does anyone actually believe that the limit on soda pop sizes in NYC is going to result in fewer fat kids? Doesn't matter. Nanny Bloomberg and the libs want to force people to live the way they think they should live.

68 I'm sad, I can't afford a 2014 Corvette, can I have drugs and a check? I can sell the drugs, use the check and lease the Vette.

69 22 kids are here. have a nice day. Posted by: willow at May 03, 2013 02:20 PM (nqBYe) WHERE!?!?!

70 Someone (an obese 20 something hispanic) dropped off a flyer letting me know that Head Start was taking new enrollees, the other side of the flyer was in spanish. On the flyer it said even the homeless are eligible. I'm pretty sure if I ws homeless my last concern would be head start. And how would that work if you're homeless? Drop the kids off, go stand in the sidewalk for a few hours, pick them up and go back out to the sidewalk?

71 where the rubber meets the road

72 Does Tony defeat the Tea Party in Iron Man 3?

73 HeatherRadish beat me to it with the Head Start analogy.

The experience of Head Start shows conclusively that the total failure of an expensive government program to attain its predicted goals will have absolutely no bearing on whether or not that program is continued. The program will continue regardless of outcome.

This is why we should all be enormously skeptical of Rube-io's "immigration reform" nonsense. If it turns out that we get none of the promised upside benefits, and all of the feared downside detriments, will the newly legalized illegals have their citizenship stripped and be deported? No, of course not.

74 Hey, I'm a cubs fans ****looks at the cubs bullpen**** PAYDAY!!!!!!

75 My flawed understanding about Bayesians is that a big part is about thinking more probabilistically and having beliefs with confidence levels instead of certainty. So if I believed Medicaid was great before with an 80% confidence, this new info might bring me down to only 60% confidence. And if I believed Medicaid was a scam before with 70% confidence, maybe I'm now up to 90% confidence. I've never really got an explanation for how and how much we're supposed to revise our certainty levels with new information. The high level takeaway seems to be just be less confident of everything. Assume many of the things you believe to be true aren't, but you are doing the best you can with flawed data and a limited brain. So .. more humility, I guess. How much more? Don't know. Obviously there's a technical aspect, but for general human reasoning we're not doing actual math.

76 go four wheelin

77 So now I'm confused. Did teh Ewok like this movie or not like this movie?
Posted by: IllTemperedCur

In short, it was billed as action movie with toe-tapping tunes, but it is really a dark comedy of errors that leaves everyone poorer and stupider in the end.

That'll be 5-days wages, comrade.

78 ya know, kick the tires

79 Obamacare is something many leftists sold their souls for. They can't afford to admit they were wrong or some folks may wake up to the fact that they are nothing but a bunch of shameless hacks who can be bought off with empty promises.

80 M-a-s-s-a *thump thump*

81 And the big problem with the supposed benefit is that, for most of the problems that affect most people, the reason that “peter-funded” health care makes the recipient less stressed-out is that government regulations have caused higher prices and worse care. These kinds of problems—blood pressure, diabetes, etc.—are common; given free reign to provide better service at lower prices, someone would be happy to get rich doing so.

82
oooh, rape, lemme tell ya

I got raped once and boy is my ass still sore.

83 Clearly this study was funded by Big Oil.

84 I broke my arm as a kid in 1972. To this day I remember a sign in the ER of the county hospital stating in essence everyone will be treated. I remember it because I walked away wondering why my dad would pay. I digress. The republicans were on point when they said everybody gets care. Proof? It's a negative proof but if one person, one, in the United States did not receive medical care for any ailment we absolutely would have seen that person on every major network during the debate.

85 Medicaid, SSDI, Section 8, WIC, etc. - these are the costs we as a society have decided are worth paying to keep the underclass from rioting. Why not let them riot? The ones you don't machine-gun into burn pits will be felons, with the right to vote for more free shit rescinded. Instant solvency and a return to personal accountability.

86 Walter Williams frequently expounds on this taking by the gubmint as theft. Because that is what it is, theft by force.
 
I have no health insurance, yet I manage to pay for all my doctor visits and medications on my own. By working with my doc, my blood pressure is well under control using cheap generic medications. I do wish I had catastrophic coverage, but that just isn't in the cards for me right now. And soon I will have to pay a fine for not having insurance, so that someone else can get theirs for free.
 
What a deal.

87 get in touch with mother earth

88 I always watch "Song of the South" to pep me up some. Then I was informed it's racist.

89 get back to nature, decomposing

90 (Actually, guestimating, perhaps $1500 goes to the poor man after the government and its bureaucrats take their skim. This is just a Wild Ass Guess but I'll continue using it.) These fuckers don't rob Peter to pay Paul. They pay Paul to have an excuse to rob Peter.

91 The non-reaction from the left is predictable. They don't care whether there is actual accomplishment of goals.

Posted by: nerdygirl at May 03, 2013 02:28 PM (ynec7)

--

Well, they do care about their goals, the   goals just aren't what they say they      are.  Their goal is total control.

92 stop spinning his wheels

93 Gee, it's almost as if the principal reason for the creation of Medicare, Medicaid and ObamaCare was to employ government (unionized, loyal Democrat voter) employees.

I suppose you're going to next tell me that the Public "Education" System is really about employing (union, loyal Democrat voter) adults rather than educating children.

94 Big problem with Medicaid -- and I why I think it shows no benefit -- People, especially poor, uneducated, low IQ people on Medicaid, will poorly manage their chronic health conditions. Period. Whether they have Medicaid or not. Unless the govt controls their diet and exercise and alcohol, tobacco, and drug consumption with ruthless ferocity .... these people are going to poorly manage their health.

95 Welcome to the land of smoke and mirrors.

96 I watched the pilot last night and the only time I laughed was "No, I'm from Omaha." Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at May 03, 2013 02:25 PM (/kI1Q) Have that DVR'd but haven't watched it yet (the pilot.) Have the DVR set up to tape whenever and wherever it's on. I love that show. (Just started two weeks or so ago.)

97

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/West 2016 at May 03, 2013 02:24 PM (XIxXP)

 

At least he worked until 65 and has some perceived rights to collect from what he had paid into for many years. 

 

The 30 year old woman who claims she can't work because she has agoraphobia or the 45 year old guy who has anger issues he can't control and thus can't work  are the  transfer of wealth through SSDI that  cause me to see red.

 

I knew the anger management guy.  He was working under the table at a retail golf shop and collecting SSDI.  He played golf three days a week at his country club. 

98 Well the white President suffers from focus groups and War Machine gets a new paint job and re-branded as Iron Patriot.  So got a very very shot clip of Bill Baher trying to be funny...  Joan Rivers clip was better.

99 Instant solvency and a return to personal accountability. Posted by: Empire of Jeff at May 03, 2013 02:30 PM (xvMKm) *Jeff's Mom gently whispers* "Jeffery, wake up"

100

The best part of Ocare that I can see is that once I turn 65 I'll be able  to get all the morphine that I want.

101 "I'm concerned about the waste in Medicaid but not as much as I am about SSDI (social security disability). What a sham." You've met my neighbors?

102 The entire Obama administration will go down in history as the largest smash-and-grab robbery in the history of the world.  Bigger than Spain robbing the New World, bigger even than England seizing the value of India and South Africa combined.

103 85. Bible truth right there

104
Well, Team Republican's approach seems to be either "Medicaid Si!", or at best transition Medicaid to a Federal block grant for the states to loot and mismanage.

So, we're pretty much boned regardless.

105 is Joker on disability yet?

106 Zip A Dee Doo Dah!

107 I think someone needs time in the ol briar patch....

108 What movie?

I'm going to see IronMan 3 tonight!

109 Why not let them riot? The ones you don't machine-gun into burn pits will be felons, with the right to vote for more free shit rescinded.

Instant solvency and a return to personal accountability.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff

 

 

*gets pen. writes note to self*

110

@75

Um, what?

111 Medicaid, SSDI, Section 8, WIC, etc. - these are the costs we as a society have decided are worth paying to keep the underclass from rioting.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at May 03, 2013 02:30 PM (xvMKm)

--

I pointed out the other    day that it was essentially protection money, with the added bonus of guaranteed votes for democrats, paid for with predominantly republican money.

112 36 tasker, thanks I'll correct. Posted by: ace at May 03, 2013 02:22 PM (LCRYB) ********* Thanks. Don't know why but was hoping to get that fixed. **** Anyways--skimmed through Meghan's piece. It's sad. Why it is almost as if she truly believed that ObamaCare was not about getting control.

113 "Obamacare is something many leftists sold their souls for. They can't afford to admit they were wrong or some folks may wake up to the fact that they are nothing but a bunch of shameless hacks who can be bought off with empty promises." Too bad there's no real opposition to it.

114 When a dumb, unmotivated person has a problem with poorly controlled diabetes and goes to an urgent clinic -- the doc will explain you have diabetes, you have to monitor your blood sugar, here's a list of all the horrible things that are nearly guaranteed to happen to you if don't. It's really important you manage this carefully for the rest of your life. The person then goes back to their old ways once the emergency is gone. Even if they get a free doctor's appt several times a year. Or even once a month. They aren't going to manage it better. They don't have the self-control necessary. A free once a month pep rally from a doctor won't help them.

115 allow me to reiterate....

I know I probably bored the shit out of you guys....

Medicaid...it has only cost 2,739,726,027 YEARS at minimum wage to bring the poor um "paradise"

That is two and three quarter BILLION man years at minimum wage to "fix it" by not "fixing it"

116 Ebony and Ivory live together in perfect harmony...
side by side on my piano...
Keyboard..
O Lord!
 

117 Ben Kingsly as the Mandarin.  Ben nails the performance.  But what is in the movie is not the Mandarin from the comics.

118 It makes us feel better about voting Democrat.

119 serious you guys, is Joker on disability yet?

120 I pointed out the other day that it was essentially protection money, with the added bonus of guaranteed votes for democrats, paid for with predominantly republican money. Posted by: Vashta Nerada at May 03, 2013 02:34 PM (NJs1e) *********** ^This. It's as if Meghan never even had an inkling that was the primary objective, candy coated.

121 Oooh, I'm also a diehard bears fan Jay fucking Cutler Not only PAYDAY!!!!! but I deserve the check

122 you could watch a couple of episodes of The Big Bang Theory. Posted by: polynikes at May 03, 2013 02:22 PM (m2CN7)


Speaking of. . . last night's TBBT ep was bittersweet for me. I grew up watching Bill Nye and idolized him; it has been so sad seeing him devolve into yet another raging lefty. Was a good lesson or me to never build up idols on earth, they will always always disappoint you.


And eeee, Raj's puppeh is adorbs. At least there was no making out with the dog this week, ugh. The writers keep trying to make him as creepy as possible for laughs, makes me sad.

123 So basically, what all that says is that the Govt absolutely sucks at the most basic of economic purposes...ROI. They spent 7.5Trillion and got no return other than a slight uptick in "I feel better." I simply cannot fathom why we're 16Trillion in debt. And growing.

124

Where is the study of the impact of increased access to Medicaid on the levels of rage, frustration and depression by those of us working so as to pay the taxes to pay for other people's medical care? How about that, hmmmm?

 

This is such a good point, my queen.  My happiness and satisfaction with my public life are at an all time low.  Ditto my respect for my fellow citizens.

125

The Obama/Biden Medicaid suppository has arrived.

http://tinyurl.com/c5dyumc

126 These kinds of problems—blood pressure, diabetes, etc.—are common; given free reign to provide better service at lower prices, someone would be happy to get rich doing so.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at May 03, 2013 02:29 PM (QF8uk)

 

----  Probably an extension of the various drugstore clinics.   Those are fantastic triage  and good  for  treating  common stuff, but extremely limited in what they can do.  

127 Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at May 03, 2013 02:32 PM (tsPRH) Does The Mandarin actually have 'magic' powers in the movies or do they explain with some high tech mumbo jumbo? Magic = bad High Tech Mumbo Jumbo - good

128 At least he worked until 65 and has some perceived rights to collect from what he had paid into for many years. AAAAARRRRRGGGG!!! FUCK NO HE DOESN"T. SSI was for the poor and disabled, that was it. Our parents and grand parents and great grandparents were bullshitted into believing it was a retirement plan, It's not, it never has been, It's not a pyramid scheme that is draining us all. Every year politicians promised more and more knowing full well they would never be around to see the end, well it's here. If you are not Elderly or disabled and can't feed yourself, you shouldn't get shit, nothing, nada (for you spanish speakers) .

129 RWC, what powers?  If I say more I spoil things.  But I will leave a hint, Tony Stark when he meets the Mandarin calls him Ringo.

130 People, especially poor, uneducated, low IQ people on Medicaid, will poorly manage their chronic health conditions. Period. Whether they have Medicaid or not.   Posted by: Flatbush Joe at May 03, 2013 02:31 PM (ZPrif)

This ^^^ times a billion.  I work for a health insurance company.  Almost every day, I see one young woman in her late 20s who is so morbidly obese that her legs are literally rotting away from ulcers and sores.  She has access to health care, education, and case management from one of our case management nurses, but, her weight stays the same and her body continues to decline.  She looks intelligent enough, but, for whatever reason, her weight will kill her.  I have been observing her for at least two years and every time I see her, I wonder how long she has left. 

131 OOPs, in my fury I meant it is a pyramid scam.

132

OT

 

Meanwhile, a spokesman for the Justice Department issued a statement Friday telling residents of Dartmouth, Mass., that there would be searches at several locations in connection with the investigation into the Marathon bombings.

"Residents should be advised that there is no threat to public safety." said spokesperson Christina DiIorio-Sterling.

Dzhokhar Tsarnaev had a dorm room at the University of Massachusetts Dartmouth. Three of his friends have been charged in connection with the alleged removal of evidence from the room on the night that the brothers' photographs were released by the FBI.

In a related development, the funeral director of a mortuary familiar with Muslim services confirmed Friday that it will handle funeral arrangements for Tamerlan Tsarnaev.

Peter Stefan, owner of Graham Putnam and Mahoney Funeral Parlors in Worcester, could not confirm whether he has possession of the body.

Stefan said everybody deserves a dignified burial service no matter the circumstances of their death and he is prepared for protests. He added that arrangements have yet to be worked out.

Several protesters showed up outside a North Attleborough funeral home Thursday night where Tsarnaev's body was taken following its release by the state medical examiner.

133 Free govt healthcare is good for one-time things -- like vaccines. You show up, you get the shot, end of story. Free govt healthcare is bad for chronic conditions. Because the patient has to take responsibility for their own care.

134 that's my guestimate, I have no idea.

I'd estimate that since the government steals enough money to make everybody flush with cash (if they just handed the stolen cash out to the un-flush), and only people who work (if indirectly) for the government in fact do get flush with that cash, you're an optimist. Doubly so.

It's not that the governed think that stealing from rich guy x and giving to broke guy b is wrong. They don't. That's why these programs are sold as giving [whatever] to the broke guy.

What "the left" wants isn't to facilitate that transfer, but to keep that money. And so it does--at a rate considerably higher than 70%. Maybe almost 100%. Broke guys pay a lot of taxes (though not the same ones rich guys do). Keeps 'em broke.

135 Give ObamaCare fifty years. Maybe it'll work.

136 People, especially poor, uneducated, low IQ people on Medicaid, will poorly manage their chronic health conditions. Period. Whether they have Medicaid or not.

Unless the govt controls their diet and exercise and alcohol, tobacco, and drug consumption with ruthless ferocity .... these people are going to poorly manage their health.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at May 03, 2013 02:31 PM (ZPrif)

Saw that last year.  Woman in the hospital multiple times actually refusing a program for free medication.  Would rather bill us for the hospital visits.  

137 I pointed out the other day that it was essentially protection money, with the added bonus of guaranteed votes for democrats, paid for with predominantly republican money. Posted by: Vashta Nerada at May 03, 2013 02:34 PM (NJs1e) -------------------- That so? Then the other day, you were slicing like a fuckin hammer. We subsidize our own extinction.

138 Whew, I thought this was a movie review thread for a moment.

139

Both officials expressed some skepticism about TsarnaevÂ’s account, saying that the complexity of the bombs made it unlikely that the brothers could have completed them as fast as he claimed.

“Maybe we will never know,” said one of the officials, who has been briefed on the interrogation. “This is the story that he is telling us.”

140 The way to fix this mess is to let those that will not take care of themselves die. Even the most hard hearted of us find that hard to do.

141 Throw Project Headstart on the pile of worthless programs. No study-None- has ever shown any long term benefits at all from Project Headstart. Well....except for the corrupt retards who administer it. They benefit.

142 75 My flawed understanding about Bayesians is that a big part is about thinking more probabilistically and having beliefs with confidence levels instead of certainty. So if I believed Medicaid was great before with an 80% confidence, this new info might bring me down to only 60% confidence. And if I believed Medicaid was a scam before with 70% confidence, maybe I'm now up to 90% confidence. I've never really got an explanation for how and how much we're supposed to revise our certainty levels with new information. The high level takeaway seems to be just be less confident of everything. Assume many of the things you believe to be true aren't, but you are doing the best you can with flawed data and a limited brain. So .. more humility, I guess. How much more? Don't know. Obviously there's a technical aspect, but for general human reasoning we're not doing actual math. Posted by: Flatbush Joe at May 03, 2013 02:29 PM (ZPrif) ****************** Much of that is in direct conflict with being a modern day Liberal who think they have all the answers, can easily throw out tradition and create a utopia here on Earth according to their parameters for everyone.

143

In another disclosure, the two law enforcement officials said Tsarnaev told the FBI that he and his brother were partly influenced by the online sermons of Anwar al-Awlaki, the American radical cleric who was killed in a drone strike in Yemen in September 2011. AwlakiÂ’s influence was reported last week by the Daily Beast Web site.

 

TsarnaevÂ’s disclosures came before he was arraigned in the hospital by a federal magistrate three days after he was captured. Under a 1984 Supreme Court decision, the FBI was allowed to question Tsarnaev without notifying him of his constitutional right to remain silent. Officials have said that he has remained silent since he was arraigned and represented by lawyers.

144 We subsidize our own extinction.
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at May 03, 2013 02:40 PM (xvMKm)

And we get to be called racist, homophobic, selfish haters by our elected betters, all the while.

It's a pretty sweet gig the Idiocracy has set-up for itself, no?

145 Throw Project Headstart on the pile of worthless programs. Project headstart was free meals and daycare. thats all.

146 the funeral director of a mortuary familiar with Muslim services Yeah, search them thoroughly before cremation.

147 The Left will say we just need more money to better control diet and monitor compliance. Free ObamaPhones with blood sensors so the poor can take pictures of everything they eat and monitor their blood sugar and have all that data analyzed 24/7 so your ObamaPhone can remind you when to test your blood sugar and maybe you should put down that Mountain Dew Big Gulp and maybe 8 donuts is enough in one sitting.

148

Ocare was designed to do one thing and one thing only.   Destroy the US economy.  Get the people crying for more government to fix it.  It's really all it is. 

 

See?   That didn't take 2000 words to express, did it?

 

 

149 thunderb, Thanks, I needed a laugh. And yeah, the idea of that Islamic terrorist running over his own brother makes me laugh.

150 >>But this study scotches all those arguments, dispositively. Free government-provided health care does not increase health; it merely defrays the cost of it It does far more than that. The real bingo affect is that healthcare will now become exponentially more expensive. Happens every time gov't "guarantees" something. Take a look at the cost of tuition. Once gov't became the dominant source of college loans tuition started growing at rate far greater than inflation and even healthcare. Peter may only be forking over $5000 today but it will be a lot more than that very soon. Perhaps if liberals took courses in economics instead of womyn's studies they might understand this. But then they wouldn't be liberals.

151

OT:

 

Paraphrase of Drudge headline:  TFG says US guns responsible for Mexico murders.

 

Ummm, 'xcuse me, but didn't TFG send those US guns to Mexico in the first place????

 

 

 

152 A Bayesian is just an empiricist with a prior. She's saying that the newest data allows us to make a more negative prior.

153 The easiest way to get rid of Obamacare is to propose the exact same thing for the legal profession.

154 The Left will say we need more money. Free pedometers -- linked to the Obamaphones -- that track daily # of steps and exercise. And heart rate monitors. So your Obamaphone will update you and be your personal exercise and diet coach, the sweet sounds of Obama's voice saying "Yes, We Can!" take the stairs. Yes we can, bike to work. Yes we can, do some push-ups. Yes we can, not do Purple Drank tonight.

155 I suppose I might be a bit happier if instead of coughing up $80 a month to keep my blood pressure under control, the drugs were instead delivered to my door free of charge.

And if the delivery person were an attractive woman who blew me, that would really lift my spirits.

When is this government going to consider my needs?

156

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/West 2016 at May 03, 2013 02:37 PM (XIxXP)

 

Are you going to refuse your Social Security checks when you become eligible? 

 

 Of course its a pyramid scheme but I will not fault people who at least paid money into the scheme to receive some of it back out.

157 153 AmishDude,

Fuck that's brilliant....

no seriously we *can* out freeshit freeshit Army....

price control the fucking lawyers.

158 129 RWC, what powers? If I say more I spoil things. But I will leave a hint, Tony Stark when he meets the Mandarin calls him Ringo. Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at May 03, 2013 02:37 PM (tsPRH) I used the wrong term with 'magic.' But think you answered my question with Ringo. Thanks

159 The way to fix this mess is to let those that will not take care of themselves die. Even the most hard hearted of us find that hard to do.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/West 2016 at May 03, 2013 02:42 PM (XIxXP)

 

 

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It might have been hard 10-15 years ago, but not now.

160

Can we at least use this study as evidence that lack of access to insurance is not the same as lack of access to healthcare? Because it most certainly seems to prove that.

I know, I know, I'm horrible and terrible and evil for pointing out facts and what not. I'm so terribly sorry.

 

Silly girl, you think it matters to the drooling masses? 

161 154 The Left will say we need more money. Free pedometers -- linked to the Obamaphones -- that track daily # of steps and exercise. And heart rate monitors. So your Obamaphone will update you and be your personal exercise and diet coach, the sweet sounds of Obama's voice saying "Yes, We Can!" take the stairs. Yes we can, bike to work. Yes we can, do some push-ups. Yes we can, not do Purple Drank tonight. Posted by: Flatbush Joe at May 03, 2013 02:45 PM (ZPrif) ************ It's that kind of crap that makes me want to go pound donuts. with a Rebel yell!

162

Ted Cruz currently addressing NRA convention: 

http://bit.ly/ZFxiWk

163 The Left will say we just need more money to better control diet and monitor compliance.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at May 03, 2013 02:43 PM (ZPrif)

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When my wife was    in an undergrad Sci Fi class, she wrote a short story about how GM and the AMA were taken over by the government, and    Onstar was used to track citizens to make sure they took their    federally required meds.  I believe she is in a race with Ayn Rand to see which work of fiction comes   true first.

164 --

Bayesian Probability is the science behind the MFM control of the LIV:

I thought the tea party was OK, but then  the TV told me 100 times a day how awful they are.  With all this new evidence, it's highly probable they suck.

165 TFG says US guns responsible for Mexico murders. That's what you call rich.

166

Posted by: JackStraw at May 03, 2013 02:44 PM (g1DWB)

 

good to see you post.  Hope you are around for a little while.

167 Know what would be a more effective program than Head Start? People being better parents. Baby Daddies marrying the mothers of their children and being full time committed fathers. Single moms staying home and reading to their kids and interacting with them instead of going out trolling for more deadbeat baby daddies.

168 Of course its a pyramid scheme but I will not fault people who at least paid money into the scheme to receive some of it back out. Posted by: polynikes at May 03, 2013 02:46 PM (m2CN7) I'm not going to see a dime, I'm in my mid forties. If they said, "Mr Sailor, you have assetts that render you self sufficiant, no SSI for you, I would be good with that.

169 #154

And if the Obamaphone detects an imminent costly medical condition, it can initiate the US version of the Liverpool Pathway remotely?

Detroit Pathway?

170 I do think govt public health projects can work -- for one-time things like vaccines. Or a govt water treatment plant. Big govt to monitor adults with chronic conditions that require daily compliance ...has a long history of poor results.

171 Ummm, 'xcuse me, but didn't TFG send those US guns to Mexico in the first place???? Posted by: Boots at May 03, 2013 02:44 PM (oG66P) That was a program started under Bush. Granted, the difference between that and the one under TFG's watch are vastly different, but... BUSH.

172 And we get to be called racist, homophobic, selfish haters by our elected betters, all the while. It's a pretty sweet gig the Idiocracy has set-up for itself, no? Posted by: DocJ at May 03, 2013 02:42 PM (A5uiv) -------------------- That would be upsetting if I didn't feed on the hate of those whose opinions I despise. Like a fuckin vampire. I swear, everytime I get called a racist, it's like a power-up and I can feel my combo-move getting charged to full strength. Let's me know I'm on the right track.

173 my pleasure as they say at Chik Fil A.  Gallows humor is the only kind I got

174 Hope I did not ruin things for you then RWC.  It is better than Iron Man 2

175 OSP, PH was sold as a way to improve academic achievement among minorities. There's a reason the PH studies always end 2 years out. After two years the kiddos show exactly the same academic ability(?) as those who did not receive PH. It's hardly just free meals and daycare, though that wound up being part of it.

176 so your ObamaPhone can remind you when to test your blood sugar and maybe you should put down that Mountain Dew Big Gulp and maybe 8 donuts is enough in one sitting.

The Mountain Dew and donuts you bought with your SNAP.

177 I'm not going to see a dime, I'm in my mid forties. If they said, "Mr Sailor, you have assetts that render you self sufficiant, no SSI for you, I would be good with that.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/West 2016 at May 03, 2013 02:48 PM (XIxXP)

 

I understand that possibility and have myself always prepared that I won't see a dime of Social Security but my question was whether if it were still solvent would you refuse your social security check?

178 Throw Project Headstart on the pile of worthless programs.

No study-None- has ever shown any long term benefits at all from Project Headstart.

Well....except for the corrupt retards who administer it. They benefit.

They should, but they'll never get rid of it.

1.  Voters like education spending.  Even ineffectual, feel-good education spending.

2.  If nothing else, it's "free" daycare.

3.  But it's for The Children why do you hate The Children???

4.  You're racist for trying to cut Head Start.  Racist.

179 Funny thing is ObamaCare is just going to become the world biggest HMO -- which we were told were evil, evil, evil in the 90s.

180 Perhaps if liberals took courses in economics instead of womyn's studies they might understand this. But then they wouldn't be liberals.

Posted by: JackStraw

Even then not much would change. The Left is heavily invested in a command-and-control worldview. No bits of data, experience, or common sense will ever pierce that veil.

Exhibit A: every leftie economist.

181

The entire  Democratic Party is nothing more than a  pirate raid on the treasury. They don't give a fuck about the country. All they care about is getting as much loot as they can.  It really is that simple. Fucking pirates, the lot of them.

 

They all  deserve to be hung from the neck until dead.

182 That would be upsetting if I didn't feed on the hate of those whose opinions I despise. Like a fuckin vampire.

I swear, everytime I get called a racist, it's like a power-up and I can feel my combo-move getting charged to full strength. Let's me know I'm on the right track.
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at May 03, 2013 02:49 PM (xvMKm)

I've taken to smiling and saying "God Bless!" as I turn and walk away. I can then enjoy listening to their heads explode as I ignore them.

183

{Cash register montage!!!!!}

 

Speaking of which, did we get a thread on the new UE numbers?  Down, baby!  Even though 165k new jobs means that we are losing ground, but, ROLL THAT PROSPERETY MONTAGE!

184 Even as the White House strove last week to move beyond questions about the Benghazi attacks of Tuesday, September 11, 2012, fresh evidence emerged that senior Obama administration officials knowingly misled the country about what had happened in the days following the assaults. The Weekly Standard has obtained a timeline briefed by the Office of the Director of National Intelligence detailing the heavy substantive revisions made to the CIAÂ’s talking points, just six weeks before the 2012 presidential election, and additional information about why the changes were made and by whom.

 

 

As intelligence officials pieced together the puzzle of events unfolding in Libya, they concluded even before the assaults had ended that al Qaeda-linked terrorists were involved. Senior administration officials, however, sought to obscure the emerging picture and downplay the significance of attacks that killed a U.S. ambassador and three other Americans. The frantic process that produced the changes to the talking points took place over a 24-hour period just one day before Susan Rice, U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, made her now-famous appearances on the Sunday television talk shows. The discussions involved senior officials from the State Department, the National Security Council, the CIA, the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, and the White House.

185 I have recently had to deal intimately with the medical industry for a family member and there is no amount of insurance, medicare, or medicaid that is going to fix that fucked up mess.  In fact it is what is making it worse.  The explosion of "free" money into the industry has only caused an explosion in folks employed in that field that have absolutely no business being there.  In order to make health care affordable, they use more less knowledgeable folks (techs and assistants) to handle the more mundane elements of care (but at the expense of having any real knowledge, understanding, or learning sense).  It is frightening.

186 I hate being in the control group, they took 5K from me and I feel sad. It doesn't count because I'm a white, male. Thus excluded from the study group during analysis.

187 Know a chick who's a unionized teacher. Works with severely retarded kids. She makes good money. Don't know how much. Nice house. Lots of vacations. Works for the state. I asked her what she actually taught. She said, this year, she's really hoping for colors. As in, at the end of the year, she was hoping some of the kids could successfully name some of the colors some of the time. Good thing she has a masters degree. Think how little progress those kids would make under some unqualified babysitter instead of a full trained educator!

188

I think for a similar reason Obama and friends are pushing Universal Pre-K.  Not that it will actually educate kids, but that it will relieve the stress and or financial burden of getting daycare and allow mother's to have an easier time of working out of the home.

189 If Texas secedes, they better just banish all price controls on healthcare. Watch doctors operations cost 1/3 as much, and be twice as good.

190 The Detroit Pathway would involve everyone getting an ObamaSmartCar that is tied into the Obamaphone-Obamacare Data Nexus.  Once the medi-sensors in the Obamaphone detect long lingering expensive medical problems it initiates the ObamaSmartCar to self-destruct.

191 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

192 is it wrong of me to put m and m's on my peanut butter sandwich?

193 #145

Headstart is an attempt to make government a substitute for inadequate parents. And yet, when Newt Gingrinch suggested that perhaps we need more orphanages to break the multi-generational chain of welfare families, it was taken up as a charge against him by his opposition.

The only differences I can see is that one is is mor ehonest than the other about who is raising the kids, and that side also has a better chance of not perpetuating the failure. Which in turn makes it unattractive to lefties.

194 Now the story is that speed bump is just being prepared for burial in Worceester, MA, will be moved somewhere else for burial.

195 I have recently had to deal intimately with the medical industry for a family member and there is no amount of insurance, medicare, or medicaid that is going to fix that fucked up mess...

Spot-on. We used to have doctors who practiced "The Medical Arts". Now we have a "Healthcare Industry". Because, progress. or something.

196 It's hardly just free meals and daycare, though that wound up being part of it. Posted by: Staff at May 03, 2013 02:49 PM (vJ+mj) No that was all of it. There were not the number of qualified teachers needed and those that were qualified wouldn't work for such a small amount. Head start has been around awhile and there has been no increase of Academic success by its graduates. Test continue to be dumbed down, Junior Colleges continue to see a spike in the requests for 50's level programs to reteach what kids should have learned in Grade, Middle and High school. It was another dildo in the ass of the tax payer.

197

CIA's initial press release on Benghazi, before it was totally rewritten to cover Obama's ass weeks before the election

 

 The CIAÂ’s Office of Terrorism Analysis prepared the first draft of a response to the congressman, which was distributed internally for comment at 11:15 a.m. on Friday, September 14 (Version 1 at right). This initial CIA draft included the assertion that the U.S. government “know that Islamic extremists with ties to al Qaeda participated in the attack.” That draft also noted that press reports “linked the attack to Ansar al Sharia. The group has since released a statement that its leadership did not order the attacks, but did not deny that some of its members were involved.” Ansar al Sharia, the CIA draft continued, aims to spread sharia law in Libya and “emphasizes the need for jihad.” The agency draft also raised the prospect that the facilities had been the subject of jihadist surveillance and offered a reminder that in the previous six months there had been “at least five other attacks against foreign interests in Benghazi by unidentified assailants, including the June attack against the British AmbassadorÂ’s convoy.

198 Once the medi-sensors in the Obamaphone detect long lingering expensive medical problems it initiates the ObamaSmartCar to self-destruct.

Won't that make the baby Gaia cry?

How about a shot of Zyklon B out of the air bag, then the ObamaSmartCar can be "reclaimed" and given to some Congressscrunt's husband's business to be resold at huge profits.

199

Haven't read the comments, but I had to comment on this:

This means that the Republican Talking Point -- about which I confess I was skeptical myself-- that the uninsured do get health care, is substantially vindicated.

 

It was never a "talking point," but a well documented fact.  And to the extent "Republicans" were making it, it was really people deeply involved with Health Care (like I was for so long) who happened to be Republican who were saying, "County Hospitals already see you regardless of ability to pay, and all hospitals are required to provide emergency care regardless of ability to pay."

200 Yeah, increasingly the front-line workers in health care are nearly retarded themselves. They don't know shit. And half of what little they do know is retarded shit they read on the internet and will make you worse.

201 God heals, and the doctor sends the bill.

202 Or a $7.5 trillion depression program, as it were. Depends on which side of the moocher-productive sucker divide one is on.

203 195 Now the story is that speed bump is just being prepared for burial in Worceester, MA, will be moved somewhere else for burial.

Posted by: Lincolntf at May 03, 2013 02:55 PM (ZshNr)

I hear the SEAL's are good at burying terrorists.  Maybe they should give them a call.

204 The talking points were first distributed to officials in the interagency vetting process at 6:52 p.m. on Friday. Less than an hour later, at 7:39 p.m., an individual identified in the House report only as a “senior State Department official” responded to raise “serious concerns” about the draft. That official, whom The Weekly Standard has confirmed was State Department spokesman Victoria Nuland, worried that members of Congress would use the talking points to criticize the State Department for “not paying attention to Agency warnings.”

205 Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at May 03, 2013 02:57 PM (/PCJa) The new fact is that they get roughly the same outcome!!! from the healthcare system, even without insurance. That is earth-shaking. Yell this from the roof-tops.

206 The way to get better parents is to stigmatize, mock, and sterilize the bad parents. America used to do that.

207 Ok, reading that article... and holy crap they need an editor or three. "This tells us one fo two things. Either people with insurance are doing an okay job of getting treatement for all the major chronic diseases--which is startling, because as you may recall one of the main reasons that we needed Obamacare was all the poor uninsured people who can't control their blood pressure or diabetes. " Quoted verbatim. First, we've got the word "fo"... Second, we've got the word "treatement". Third, we mean to say "people with NO Insurance" for that sentence to mean anything. That is one sentence (admittedly the worst one). But other clear errors: freqency, Stuy, understandbly, signficiant... and that doesn't cover places where the grammar or missing words exist. Apparently they don't have a red squiggly line for their writers? Interesting article; but damn that just looks bad.

208 I think for a similar reason Obama and friends are pushing Universal Pre-K. Not that it will actually educate kids, but that it will relieve the stress and or financial burden of getting daycare and allow mother's to have an easier time of working out of the home.

Nah, they just want as many people dependent on the federal government as possible.

If they start working, they risk losing their benefits and Head Start eligibility.

209 There is little information about what happened at that meeting of the Deputies Committee. But according to two officials with knowledge of the process, Mike Morrell, deputy director of the CIA, made broad changes to the draft afterwards. Morrell cut all or parts of four paragraphs of the six-paragraph talking points—148 of its 248 words (see Version 2 above). Gone were the reference to “Islamic extremists,” the reminders of agency warnings about al Qaeda in Libya, the reference to “jihadists” in Cairo, the mention of possible surveillance of the facility in Benghazi, and the report of five previous attacks on foreign interests. 

210 I can tell you right now the big flaw they will come up with in the Oregon study-- Demographics.

211 The way she is referring to being a Bayesian in layman's terms means updating your beliefs given new information. In this case, some might believe the Medicaid expansion would evidence itself with physical benefits. However, these two studies have provided evidence against that belief. If you are operating as a Bayesian, those who believe that physical benefits might manifest should start to have some doubts, thinking it might not help as much as they first believed.

To be fair, if the holders of some belief have a strong enough belief, it will take a lot of contrary evidence to get them to move away from their position, and could still be behaving in a fashion consistent with being a Bayesian. The question is why do they hold such a strong belief? A strong prior belief is best justified by lots of prior data supporting that belief. This seems to not be the case here, and so we are left with the less intellectually satisfying "They just think so" or "People they trust told them so".

212

The new fact is that they get roughly the same outcome!!! from the healthcare system, even without insurance.

 

But it's not a new fact...  that's what I'm saying.  I've been saying that for 4 years now, at least.

213 If Texas secedes, they better just banish all price controls on healthcare.

Watch doctors operations cost 1/3 as much, and be twice as good.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 45% more DOOM! at May 03, 2013 02:55 PM (xAtAj)

 

I hate to say it but the healthcare business in Texas is just that.  A business and unfortunately the medical professionals here will overtreat and over test everything not just because of tort exposure but because they make big bucks.   

214 Universal Pre-K. Not that it will actually educate kids, but that it will relieve the stress and or financial burden of getting daycare and allow mother's to have an easier time of working out of the home.

Posted by:    Serious Cat  at May 03, 2013 02:54 PM (UypUQ)

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They are pushing universal pre-K because studies show that childrens   morals are mostly formed before the age of 6, and who better to form those morals?

215

and so we are left with the less intellectually satisfying "They just think so" or "People they trust told them so".

 

Or they are simply lying for personal gain and facts are irrelevent.  Occam's Razor emailed me about this this morning.

216 213 Allen G,

some of us who grew up in the system to one degree or another longer....

it's a joke... and Obamacare does for the nation what medicaid did for the poor...

hang on sports fans a grand slam is coming

217 Nah, they just want as many people dependent on the federal government as possible. If they start working, they risk losing their benefits and Head Start eligibility. Posted by: Hollowpoint at May 03, 2013 03:00 PM (SY2Kh) Public schools, radical feminist, and the govt(but i repeat myself) teamed up to destroy the family. Take a bow, fascists.

218 And if the delivery person were an attractive woman who blew me, that would really lift my spirits. When is this government going to consider my needs? When you turn brown & gay.

219 I hate to say it but the healthcare business in Texas is just that. A business and unfortunately the medical professionals here will overtreatand over testeverything not just because of tort exposure but because they make big bucks. Posted by: polynikes at May 03, 2013 03:02 PM (m2CN7) Well given there is competition I'll say screw it and get the treatment I want only. We can't do that in the US today. Feds say I need "free" this and that.

220 Universal Pre-K. Not that it will actually educate kids, but that it will relieve the stress and or financial burden of getting daycare and allow mother's to have an easier time of working out of the home. Posted by: Serious Cat at May 03, 2013 02:54 PM (UypUQ) -- They are pushing universal pre-K because studies show that childrens morals are mostly formed before the age of 6, and who better to form those morals? Posted by: Vashta Nerada at May 03, 2013 03:02 PM (NJs1e) I paid for my own kids Daycare. at one point it was close to $1400 a month. I don't owe anyones child anything. To say that I do paints an entire genreration as worthless leaches. Oh, Yeah, nevermind.

221

The Federal dependency of the sheeple is but a by-product of Progg policy, which has ever only one driver, that is to give jobs to Dem voters. Everything that happens afterwards is unintended and unimportant. Staying in power is important, and to do that they funnel Fed cheese to their supporters.

222 #193

They make Peanut M and M's, so how could it be wrong?

And this sudden plague of people who go into seizures if anyone within a mile radius thinks about peanuts? Maybe it's time to start culling the herd a bit.

223 The "uninsured" are finding ways to get medical treatment, and have been all along, because we are a generous country and we take care of our own. Anyone who's in the medical profession knows this. But when this charity is handed over to the state and becomes an entitlement, usage soars. It's simple human nature. Only two outcomes are possible with the hilariously misnamed AFA: Costs will skyrocket, or there will be rationing.

224 Our doctors have started cutting cash deals with us that are cheaper than the deductable.

225 Heatherradish.  Zyklon B, too dangerous it might leak and kill unknowing sheep.  Just the vehicle parks itself in Terminal Loading.  Locks the doors, shuts the vents, and then turns off the ObamaPhone.  Let the poor person die due to asphyxiation.

226 Why, we're actually almost making money on this transaction! We just turned $5000 to $15,000 by government action! Whoo-hoo! As Uncle Choo-Choo, Joe "Big Caboose" Biden, might say, let's get rollin'! Wait. What? Did we tax that gain? /

227 Only two outcomes are possible with the hilariously misnamed AFA: Costs will skyrocket, or there will be rationing.

I'm betting on both.  Why not have the worst of both worlds?

228 If society is paying for your basics and you're not depressed, there's something wrong with you. 

229 epobirs, the Great Re-learning is upon us.

230

And,

I'm still a nurse..........

 

please kick me in the nuts now.....if you wish!

231

Only two outcomes are possible with the hilariously misnamed AFA: Costs will skyrocket, or there will be rationing.

 

Looking at England, that's not an "either/or" proposition.

232

If you are not Elderly or disabled and can't feed yourself, you shouldn't get shit, nothing, nada (for you spanish speakers - Old Sailor.

Bro I thought almost exactly as you did up to the last election. All I wanted was the money I put in or the option to opt out if I saved. I would have accepted zip. Seriously. I fully expected to get means tested out and get dick. I remember the blue haired ladies in Boca collecting checks and thought it was wrong.  Keep in mind I have a small business so I pay double. Something like $15,000 a year. Well guess the fuck what. The American public knew full well this guy was all about wealth transfer and voted him in. I ain't crying poverty but I ain't making a killing. I am making enough that I would get hit with Obama's tax hike. SOOO. I am a changed man. I have a sizable portion of the electorate thinking it is just ducky to take from me for themselves. I think Mel Gibson could probably say it better than me, "You can take away my SSI but first you gotta....." Pay me. I put hundreds of thou in and I want that back and more. Why? just.the.fuck.because.

And if any of you folks do the right thing and live within your means they will try to fuck you as well. means testing levels will drop to pretty low level. The numbers needed to make that shitshow "work " demand it.

233

@226 Heatherradish. Zyklon B, too dangerous it might leak and kill unknowing sheep. Just the vehicle parks itself in Terminal Loading. Locks the doors, shuts the vents, and then turns off the ObamaPhone. Let the poor person die due to asphyxiation.

--------------------------------

Too much trouble.  Just switch the connections on a few of the hoses, and use carbon monoxide poisoning to do the trick.

 

234 She then criticizes those who have made certain that they are fully up-to-date on their immunizations against significant new information. Beautiful turn of phrase. Same can be said for: global warming; climate chnage; climate crisis; Global Climate Disruption

235 ...but about something more than that, about providing people "access" to an absolutely critical good without which they cannot survive, and improving their health. They have often stated they believe it is a "right."

236 The study, in sort, not only questions the efficacy of the program, but the morality of it, because if there is no Value Added to the taking of money from the rich man than the entire scheme is simply what it's always appeared to be: Straight-up theft. Like the Postal Service, it's an anchor, harboring Democrat voters by handing out life-long jobs with fabulous benefits.

237 Posted by: Mac at May 03, 2013 03:12 PM (0J18b) Hmm, you make good points. However, no individual, I don't know about businesses, but as an individual most will never put in more that $120,000. That's a 40 year carreer if in that first year you made 100K. I think SSI deductions stop after 106K. Just a few years ago the stopped at 90K something and a decade or so before that 80K something. Then you collect 24K or so a year which means in 5 years your bag is empty. But yeah, I suppose, all us baby boomers start collecting it will bankrupt the system soon enough forcing some major changes.

238 Old Sailor, I got a little democratic with my numbers, i.e. less fact based in my stated argument.  Self employed pay 12.6 % to 113k this year or $14 smacks, and yes it was less each previous year. . I ran numbers assuming that 113k stays fixed for ten more years to get my expected input into the system. My point being not that I am correct in taking it in and of itself, though talk to me about that when they extend the cutoff  further and further higher knowing full well means testing is also in the pipeline. Rather, it really feels like a chunk of the population signed on to something I never signed on to when all I could afford was noodle ramen; I get some of your money because I can. fuck em.

239 It may reduce the level of depression on the part of the recipients, but as the guy on the other side of the transfer of money, it increases mine.