November 13, 2013
— Ace Delicious.
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) on Thursday will convene a special meeting of the Senate Democratic caucus and senior White Officials to discuss the troubled rollout of ObamaCare.Reid on Wednesday told reporters he would not answer questions about the hundreds of thousands of insurance policy cancellations or other issues until he has further discussions with the White House.
The Clumsy God continues to fall.
Charles C.W. Cooke tries to answer a question that occurred to Drew today: is this the greatest domestic policy fiasco in all of American history?
This is no partisan overstatement. This is indeed historic. Whether this is the biggest debacle in all of our history or not, it's top three -- and you can argue its place in that list as you like.
Cooke casts about for similar debacles, including Prohibition. But he finds that the last century's greatest domestic fiascos were passed on a bipartisan basis, and thus did not harm one party more than the other.
To find a time in which the central agenda of one party has been as thoroughly discredited as the Democrats’ may be if Obamacare collapses into itself, one probably has to go back to the second decade of the 20th century. As the election of 1920 approached, Americans found that they had grown exhausted and disturbed by the egregious domestic agenda that their president’s utopian internationalism had gradually imposed. Woodrow Wilson’s “war socialism,” which involved stern rationing, crippling censorship, and a thoroughgoing distaste for the individualism that had marked America’s rise, proved to be unpopular enough to render Warren Harding’s promise of a “return to normalcy” as music to voters’ ears. In 1920, Harding won 60 percent of the vote — 37 states to his opponent’s eleven — and he used his mandate to effectively repeal the Wilson era and to discredit the Democratic party for a decade.
How bad is it right now? Obama's weary minions have taken to indulging in fantasy speculation-- how well would Obama be doing now if he hadn't flamed out on Obamacare?
And, Open Thread. Knocking off early tonight.
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Posted by: Cajun Caret at November 13, 2013 01:57 PM (UZQM8)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 13, 2013 01:58 PM (olDqf)
Posted by: Smokey The Drunk at November 13, 2013 01:59 PM (k4hO9)
Posted by: Bat Chain Puller at November 13, 2013 01:59 PM (jpc8l)
Posted by: nostrodamus at November 13, 2013 02:00 PM (6IA8o)
Posted by: Jesse Pinkman, PhD Bitches! at November 13, 2013 02:00 PM (kkbgQ)
Posted by: Zombie Dachshund at November 13, 2013 02:00 PM (Na7G9)
Posted by: uhh, you can just call me JM at November 13, 2013 02:00 PM (1BNnc)
Posted by: Lauren at November 13, 2013 02:01 PM (hFL/3)
Posted by: Jesse Pinkman, PhD Bitches! at November 13, 2013 02:01 PM (kkbgQ)
Posted by: Wyguy at November 13, 2013 02:01 PM (3BJ//)
Posted by: Dr Spank at November 13, 2013 02:02 PM (9jLim)
Posted by: Northernlurker at November 13, 2013 02:02 PM (BLAfs)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 13, 2013 02:03 PM (olDqf)
Posted by: traye at November 13, 2013 02:03 PM (1BNnc)
Posted by: fluffy at November 13, 2013 02:04 PM (RXfDn)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 13, 2013 02:04 PM (IXrOn)
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 13, 2013 02:04 PM (0LHZx)
Well, let's see. The parallels are strong. We've got the interminable war, we've got the censorious officials, and we've got the distaste for traditional individualism, all going on in this administration. And we've got a _de facto_ stern rationing of certain articles, such as decent jobs.
All we need now is Zombie Warren G. Harding.
He's dead, rested and ready!
Posted by: torquewrench at November 13, 2013 02:04 PM (gqT4g)
Posted by: 7 Days in May at November 13, 2013 02:04 PM (j6DTo)
Posted by: Caliban at November 13, 2013 02:05 PM (2ArJQ)
http://campusreform.org/?ID=5235
Sob.
Posted by: Predictable History at November 13, 2013 02:05 PM (00mde)
Posted by: not the mama at November 13, 2013 02:05 PM (5dxeo)
Posted by: Dang at November 13, 2013 02:05 PM (YWXTN)
Posted by: RondinellaMamma at November 13, 2013 02:05 PM (EJ/Tn)
Posted by: Dr Spank at November 13, 2013 02:06 PM (9jLim)
Posted by: lauraw at November 13, 2013 02:06 PM (yGblt)
Posted by: 7 Days in May at November 13, 2013 02:06 PM (j6DTo)
Posted by: Debbie Wasserman-Teleprompter at November 13, 2013 02:06 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: Harry Reid at November 13, 2013 02:07 PM (2jQGY)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 13, 2013 02:07 PM (olDqf)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 13, 2013 02:07 PM (IXrOn)
I'm racking my brains trying to come up with an example of the last time that the establishment GOP "realized" anything at all, and drawing a total blank.
Simple goddamn rule. Goes back centuries. Don't interrupt your adversary while he's making a mistake.
And whatever you do, do ***NOT*** jump in to try to help "fix" that mistake. It just gets you tarred with part of the blame.
Repeal or no deal.
Posted by: torquewrench at November 13, 2013 02:07 PM (gqT4g)
Posted by: navybrat at November 13, 2013 02:08 PM (Av6y6)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 13, 2013 02:08 PM (olDqf)
Posted by: Chris at November 13, 2013 02:08 PM (aBOfW)
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 13, 2013 02:08 PM (0LHZx)
and DC area morons be sure to count your kids tonight...
Good chance Reid and the (-d)emon caucus will make a blood sacrifice or something....
Posted by: sven10077 at November 13, 2013 02:08 PM (9jfyN)
Posted by: Zombie Dachshund at November 13, 2013 06:00 PM (Na7G9)
Again: They're not throwing the Dems a lifeline. Read Drew's post from this morning. The Upton bill won't pass, and that is something else we can hang on the Dems.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 13, 2013 02:09 PM (SY2Kh)
Posted by: Mephitis at November 13, 2013 02:09 PM (E2fAL)
Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/u][/b] at November 13, 2013 02:09 PM (yz6yg)
I've already said this at least once, expect McCain to get involved in the name of bipartisanship. Unfortunately, people like McCain seem to never die.
Posted by: Mallfly at November 13, 2013 02:10 PM (bJm7W)
Posted by: ConcealedKerry or SubMitt at November 13, 2013 02:10 PM (uUXp6)
Now here is the tricky part.Obama set up that slush fund (called risk corridors) for the insurers to protect them against losses The government will still be on the hook for the losses that would eventually pile up as only the sick or high risk people would pay the hugely inflated costs of the insurance. I admit that will suck. BUT it will be a heck of alot easier to cancel the funding for the "risk corridors" later than it would be to repeal the whole thing.
Basically just gut it in two stages.
Posted by: Mythx at November 13, 2013 02:10 PM (6+z+l)
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 13, 2013 02:11 PM (0LHZx)
How bad is it right now? Obama's weary minions have taken to indulging in fantasy speculation-- how well would Obama be doing now if he hadn't flamed out on Obamacare?
Math is a stone cold bitch.
And Barry forgot that "Math is hard"......
Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX (@Teresa_Koch) at November 13, 2013 02:11 PM (PZ6/M)
Posted by: The Bourbon in Boehner's Belly at November 13, 2013 02:11 PM (0cMkb)
Posted by: jwb7605[/i][/u][/b] at November 13, 2013 02:11 PM (Qxe/p)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 13, 2013 02:11 PM (IXrOn)
I've been around a LOOOONG time. Don't forget Nixon's price controls...
I had a job and lived in a box by the rail station....
Posted by: Mr. Wizard at November 13, 2013 02:12 PM (S5LPT)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 13, 2013 02:12 PM (ZPrif)
One thing you have to remember is that for a lot of the long-time Senators and Congressmen, they respect each other above outsiders, especially constituents with no connections (like the Tea Party). It's a club, an they'll help out their "friend across the aisle" because they all go to the same DC parties and fundraisers (and have done so for decades), and probably have other things in commons, such as kids at the same schools, spouses at the same organizations, etc.
Posted by: Lizzy at November 13, 2013 02:12 PM (JRmiD)
Posted by: chuckinseattle at November 13, 2013 02:12 PM (EZU5/)
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars [/i] [/b] [/s] at November 13, 2013 02:12 PM (NokrH)
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at November 13, 2013 02:12 PM (N/Sup)
Posted by: Dave S. at November 13, 2013 02:12 PM (GhSTE)
Posted by: Irving Washington at November 13, 2013 02:13 PM (xGt2P)
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo
Yeah but now you have full vagina coverage.
Posted by: Dr Spank at November 13, 2013 02:13 PM (9jLim)
Posted by: Albie Damned at November 13, 2013 02:13 PM (Yhu4q)
Odds after meeting:
6 month delay in indiv mandate - 5 to 1
1 year delay to after elections - 4 to 1
Delay to March 2015 - 2 to 1
Let people suffer - 1.5 to 1
Let people die - 1 to 1
Pay off insurance companies and add to national debt to reinstate policies - 1 to 2
Blame Republicans - 1 to 9
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 13, 2013 02:13 PM (iGPSR)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 13, 2013 05:58 PM (olDqf)
Yeah, but NYC is still fucked.
De Blasio
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 13, 2013 02:13 PM (oJ5Fd)
Posted by: Barney Frank[/i][/s][/u][/b] at November 13, 2013 02:13 PM (yz6yg)
Having a third party pay for services, without the end user caring about the cost, is a tremendous incentive for price distortion.
Of course, I may just be dreaming.
Posted by: Ian Galt at November 13, 2013 02:13 PM (QdOC1)
Posted by: t-bird at November 13, 2013 02:15 PM (FcR7P)
Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/u][/b] at November 13, 2013 02:15 PM (yz6yg)
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars [/i] [/b] [/s] at November 13, 2013 02:15 PM (NokrH)
Posted by: X at November 13, 2013 02:15 PM (KHo8t)
Think 'way outside the box. No more band aids, 'way 'way outside the box.
How about nationalize the health insurance industry the same way the steel industry was taken over, when was it, oh back in '52.
go big or go home.
Posted by: Pascal's inference mechanism at November 13, 2013 02:15 PM (3bv9s)
Posted by: Debbie Wasserman-Teleprompter at November 13, 2013 02:15 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: Dr Spank at November 13, 2013
Since he's paying for Sandra's full vagina....
Posted by: Mr. Wizard at November 13, 2013 02:15 PM (S5LPT)
Posted by: GnuBreed at November 13, 2013 02:16 PM (wNF3N)
Posted by: Lizzy at November 13, 2013 02:16 PM (JRmiD)
Posted by: Mindy at November 13, 2013 02:16 PM (lCBX+)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 13, 2013 02:16 PM (lVPtV)
I knew Prezinet Obama was gonna get screwed by the republicans, but ObamaCare is wonderful for my generation of hip-hopper's, rapper's, convenience store ho's, and magna cum laude graduates of the Louie Farrakhan Grade School and Pharmacology Advanced Studies Program.
Posted by: Rachel Jeantel at November 13, 2013 02:17 PM (pJF+c)
Posted by: Mr. Wizard
That would be group coverage.
Posted by: Dang at November 13, 2013 02:17 PM (YWXTN)
Posted by: Dang at November 13, 2013 06:12 PM (YWXTN)
*****
Stand clear everyone. It's gone nuclear!
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at November 13, 2013 02:17 PM (N/Sup)
they are throwing a "life line"
I bet the JEF is still too full of himself to take it
bwhahahahahahahaha
Posted by: thunderb at November 13, 2013 02:17 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: traye at November 13, 2013 02:17 PM (1BNnc)
Posted by: t-bird at November 13, 2013 02:17 PM (FcR7P)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 13, 2013 02:19 PM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Shay's Rebellion at November 13, 2013 02:19 PM (BeSEI)
Then, I can die happy.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at November 13, 2013 02:19 PM (lVPtV)
Wait a moment...
A 'crisis meeting' summoned for today? Nov 13th? Effectively six weeks into the O-care website rollout?
Who will ask: There was no crisis perceived before today?
Posted by: socalcon at November 13, 2013 02:20 PM (vHlQ5)
I think I'm still in the running for #1.
Posted by: Slavery
Don't make me laugh.
Posted by: New Coke at November 13, 2013 02:20 PM (YWXTN)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 13, 2013 02:20 PM (IXrOn)
Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/s] at November 13, 2013 02:20 PM (Xlbr8)
ya, and so?
yer say'n the GOP is too smart to fall for it?
Posted by: Pascal's inference mechanism at November 13, 2013 02:21 PM (3bv9s)
his Captain Queeg Mutiny on the Bounty moment, babbling about organically grown strawberries
if he goes mad, we get President Biden
Posted by: thunderb at November 13, 2013 02:21 PM (zOTsN)
Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/s] at November 13, 2013 02:21 PM (Xlbr8)
Like a Won and a half year delay!
Posted by: ConcealedKerry or SubMitt at November 13, 2013 02:22 PM (uUXp6)
Posted by: jwb7605[/i][/u][/b] at November 13, 2013 02:22 PM (Qxe/p)
Posted by: New Coke at November 13, 2013 02:22 PM (YWXTN)
Posted by: YIKES! at November 13, 2013 02:22 PM (mETGQ)
Took 'em 6 eeks to figure out that the MSM spinning and Obama speeches couldn't hides the stink this time. They're used to having their failures quietly buried. This one is a freakin 100 ft tall zombie.
Posted by: Lizzy at November 13, 2013 02:22 PM (JRmiD)
Posted by: Cato at November 13, 2013 02:22 PM (i+Vw2)
It never will be that. Look for something along the line of a vast expansion of Medicare first. They can go with the "look at the big meanies in the GOP, they would rather people die then help!"
Posted by: lowandslow at November 13, 2013 02:22 PM (IV4od)
Posted by: thunderb at November 13, 2013 06:21 PM (zOTsN)
__________________
If?
Posted by: Truck Monkey, Gruntled New Business Owner at November 13, 2013 02:22 PM (jucos)
The republican's can stow the rope for the hangin' because we're coming back like General MacArthur went back to Siam.
Posted by: Debbie Wassermanly Schultz at November 13, 2013 02:23 PM (pJF+c)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 13, 2013 02:24 PM (IXrOn)
Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/s] at November 13, 2013 02:24 PM (Xlbr8)
I plan on suing the republicans for failure to complete the sex act with President Obama. They offered oral sex, and all he got was a tube of KY-Jelly and a broken promise.
Posted by: Gloria Allred at November 13, 2013 02:25 PM (pJF+c)
the only thing I am worried about is a wag the dog moment
its the only way I can see him successfully changing the narrative
Posted by: thunderb at November 13, 2013 02:25 PM (zOTsN)
Sounds like a free upgrade to me.
Posted by: Purp at November 13, 2013 06:24 PM (Xlbr
I'd take stupid over narcissistic.
Stupid can be managed more easily.
Posted by: Ian Galt at November 13, 2013 02:25 PM (QdOC1)
I vote for Kansas Nebraska Act of 1854 as worst policy decision.
It's not like anyone is gonna die from Obamacare, right?
Posted by: Bleeding Knnsas at November 13, 2013 02:25 PM (kduZC)
Posted by: John McCain at November 13, 2013 02:26 PM (IV4od)
I just thought of something. Since 404Care covers birth control as a new "human right", pushed primarily by those of the slut lifestyle...
Why doesn't 404Care cover the cost of internet porn for the monosexual lifestylers?
Are liberals racist against jackoffs?
Posted by: Grimmy at November 13, 2013 02:26 PM (uUsh9)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 13, 2013 02:26 PM (IXrOn)
if he goes mad, we get President Biden
Posted by: thunderb at November 13, 2013 06:21 PM (zOTsN)
"Free double barrel shotguns and rail passes for everyone, God bless you Canada" - Joey Biden
Posted by: Herb Utstinx at November 13, 2013 02:26 PM (nTgAI)
Posted by: mrp at November 13, 2013 02:26 PM (HjPtV)
Posted by: teh Wind at November 13, 2013 02:26 PM (b+5vQ)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at November 13, 2013 02:26 PM (aDwsi)
Check yer perceptions, yer missin' the target.
Posted by: Pascal's inference mechanism at November 13, 2013 02:26 PM (3bv9s)
Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/s] at November 13, 2013 02:27 PM (Xlbr8)
My prediction? P A I N
What's that Democrats, you thought you would be immune... New Party socialist bitch - everyone goes down when the system crashes.
Heil Alinsky
Posted by: Barry 'Clubber Lang' Soetoro at November 13, 2013 02:27 PM (Pr6hk)
That is the problem with the 'let it fail' republicans.
once this thing starts to burn down you can't not try to fix it and let people stuck in the muck
Standing there stating "No Republicans voted for this turkey" does not necessarily get you some votes
Posted by: Fred Q. at November 13, 2013 02:27 PM (q+zA9)
No. That would be the Civil War. Both sides, so as not to start another one here -- but never forget it, and that it was all "domestic policy." I hope we haven't just found another issue too big for our politics to deal with, but I suspect we have.
Posted by: Stringer Davis at November 13, 2013 02:27 PM (xq1UY)
Posted by: wooga at November 13, 2013 02:27 PM (H0eFZ)
Posted by: g0#%am mongorian at November 13, 2013 02:28 PM (8fXAE)
@109 - There was no crisis perceived before today?
Well, before the peasants were merely a nuisance - NOW they are on the warpath, and these Senators have to protect their phony-baloney jobs.....
Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX (@Teresa_Koch) at November 13, 2013 02:28 PM (PZ6/M)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at November 13, 2013 02:28 PM (aDwsi)
Standing there stating "No Republicans voted for this turkey" does not necessarily get you some votes
Posted by: Fred Q.
How 'bout, "WE FUCKING TOLD YOU!"
Posted by: Dang at November 13, 2013 02:29 PM (YWXTN)
Fred Q
if the pubs in the House keep forwarding bills to the Senate and the Senate wont bring them to a vote
WIN so full of WIN
Posted by: thunderb at November 13, 2013 02:29 PM (zOTsN)
however everytimne a republican is on tv speaking about this they should start with
"no republicans voted for this bill"
and finish with that too
Posted by: Fred Q. at November 13, 2013 02:29 PM (q+zA9)
Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/s] at November 13, 2013 02:29 PM (Xlbr8)
Might not get votes but it'd sure let the lesson have time to sink in. And, that there's often the problem. No real pain, especially long term, for the constantly failed idiocies of the mouth breeding, snot gobbling left and all their "centrist" thumb sucking, intellectually inbred Useful Idiots.
Posted by: Grimmy at November 13, 2013 02:29 PM (uUsh9)
Posted by: t-bird at November 13, 2013 02:30 PM (FcR7P)
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 13, 2013 02:30 PM (0LHZx)
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars [/i] [/b] [/s] at November 13, 2013 02:31 PM (NlCgY)
Posted by: tsrblke PhD(c) (No Really!) at November 13, 2013 02:31 PM (GaqMa)
Posted by: Paid for by Citizens for Clyde the Orangutan at November 13, 2013 02:31 PM (QF8uk)
Posted by: Barkie the JEF at November 13, 2013 02:31 PM (uGlk8)
Posted by: The Jackhole at November 13, 2013 02:31 PM (nTgAI)
WIN so full of WIN Posted by: thunderb
This.
Posted by: Dang at November 13, 2013 02:31 PM (YWXTN)
Posted by: Damiano at November 13, 2013 02:31 PM (j0wOO)
Posted by: Harry Reid, holding a rather large machete at November 13, 2013 02:32 PM (wNF3N)
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 13, 2013 02:33 PM (0LHZx)
The only bills the House should be sending the Senate is full repeal.
Then clearly state no republicans voted for you to loose your healthcare or get stuck in some 2nd graders version of a webpage or what ever snark that brings out the 'pimphand'
Posted by: Fred Q. at November 13, 2013 02:34 PM (q+zA9)
Posted by: Damiano at November 13, 2013 02:35 PM (j0wOO)
Posted by: Barry Obama's drug-addled brain at November 13, 2013 02:35 PM (YWXTN)
Posted by: David Brooks at November 13, 2013 02:36 PM (Pr6hk)
Open the day with a floor vote, close the day with a floor vote. Give the Dims debating time, make them talk about every day.
Posted by: Jean at November 13, 2013 02:36 PM (CMlD4)
Posted by: Barry Obama's drug-addled brain at November 13, 2013 06:35 PM (YWXTN)
*****
When I read this nick for some reason I picture a fried egg.
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at November 13, 2013 02:36 PM (N/Sup)
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 13, 2013 02:36 PM (0LHZx)
Posted by: Tobacco Road at November 13, 2013 02:36 PM (4Mv1T)
Would they? Hey what's a few more trillion on our massive debt already.
Posted by: lowandslow at November 13, 2013 02:36 PM (IV4od)
Posted by: Damiano at November 13, 2013 02:37 PM (j0wOO)
Posted by: lowandslow at November 13, 2013 06:22 PM (IV4od)
MEDICARE is only for people over 65; Medicaid is for people who don't "make enough money".
Medicaid expansion is baked into the cake of Obamacare - that's the bribe that was used to convince the states to sign on to this thing to get it passed.
The only problem is that it came with strings attached - the states HAD to agree to start their own exchanges AND expand their Medicaid rolls in order to qualify for that extra money.
Only a handful of states took the bait - they've been burned by the Feds on Medicaid reimbursement enough time to know that they would eventually get burned again, and then the states would be on the hook for the full amount.
SCOTUS' ruling - as much as I hate that it allowed Obamacare to stay - tied the Feds' hands; they absolutely CANNOT compel any state to take the extra money, nor can they penalize them for not taking that money.
The Dems are screwed, and they know it.
Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX (@Teresa_Koch) at November 13, 2013 02:37 PM (PZ6/M)
Posted by: WalrusRex at November 13, 2013 02:37 PM (Hx5uv)
Posted by: lowandslow at November 13, 2013 06:22 PM (IV4od)
MEDICARE is only for people over 65; Medicaid is for people who don't "make enough money".
Medicaid expansion is baked into the cake of Obamacare - that's the bribe that was used to convince the states to sign on to this thing to get it passed.
The only problem is that it came with strings attached - the states HAD to agree to start their own exchanges AND expand their Medicaid rolls in order to qualify for that extra money.
Only a handful of states took the bait - they've been burned by the Feds on Medicaid reimbursement enough time to know that they would eventually get burned again, and then the states would be on the hook for the full amount.
SCOTUS' ruling - as much as I hate that it allowed Obamacare to stay - tied the Feds' hands; they absolutely CANNOT compel any state to take the extra money, nor can they penalize them for not taking that money.
The Dems are screwed, and they know it.
Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX (@Teresa_Koch) at November 13, 2013 02:38 PM (PZ6/M)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at November 13, 2013 02:38 PM (aDwsi)
Great!
Considering UE6 is the highest it's been in my lifetime I welcome the argument.
What the economy needs is more clusterfucking after all.
Posted by: sven10077 at November 13, 2013 02:38 PM (9jfyN)
Posted by: Hillary Clinton at November 13, 2013 02:39 PM (Pr6hk)
Posted by: Joseph Stalin at November 13, 2013 02:40 PM (Pr6hk)
Posted by: LIV in a leisure suit at November 13, 2013 02:40 PM (rkewj)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at November 13, 2013 02:41 PM (aDwsi)
Posted by: Larry Craig at November 13, 2013 02:42 PM (Pr6hk)
Posted by: Mike Hammer at November 13, 2013 02:42 PM (aDwsi)
http://www.navigators.org/us/aboutus
They've got a great little organization there, and they're going to have to change their name after all these years. I doubt they'll survive.
Posted by: Stringer Davis at November 13, 2013 02:42 PM (xq1UY)
The problem with your line of reasoning is that it involves actual reason.
There is too much evidence that such just does not exist on the left any more.
Obama lies through his teeth. He has since get started running for office. Anyone who pays attention knows this. Most of his supporters know this and just. don't. care.
To the left, and all the useful idiots that make the left so powerful, money in gov spending is nothing more than an abstract concept and there's always enough to do whatever is desired. There is zero comprehension of actual cause and effect.
Posted by: Grimmy at November 13, 2013 02:43 PM (uUsh9)
Correct if we have the fight Mau Mau is predicting and we lose then the nation is inarguably doomed.
Good to know.
It's time to have this fight.
Posted by: sven10077 at November 13, 2013 02:43 PM (9jfyN)
Posted by: Harry Reid is a pederast at November 13, 2013 02:43 PM (Pr6hk)
I am NOT calling a doctor...
-
Just file Form E for Emergency attaching schedule D for Diagnosis and reference diagnosis code 6699: sexually transmitted diseases, abortions, hysterectomies, and other sex related problems. We will schedule something within the next six months, depending upon your political opinions and availability.
Posted by: WalrusRex at November 13, 2013 02:44 PM (Hx5uv)
No it was Federally Extorted and may as well have been law...
Posted by: sven10077 at November 13, 2013 02:44 PM (9jfyN)
Posted by: toby928© at November 13, 2013 02:46 PM (QupBk)
Posted by: Warren Buffett at November 13, 2013 02:46 PM (Pr6hk)
Posted by: JEM at November 13, 2013 02:46 PM (o+SC1)
Posted by: Warren Buffett at November 13, 2013 06:46 PM (Pr6hk)"
Don't need one, it's already baked into the original bill.
Posted by: lowandslow at November 13, 2013 02:47 PM (IV4od)
Posted by: toby928© at November 13, 2013 02:48 PM (QupBk)
Posted by: Dang at November 13, 2013 02:48 PM (YWXTN)
to come up with some fresh BS for the press, and The Middle Class.
Posted by: DaveA at November 13, 2013 02:49 PM (DL2i+)
Thanks Toby but I am far from home...
maybe next time I head to Ohio..."maybe"...
Posted by: sven10077 at November 13, 2013 02:51 PM (9jfyN)
Posted by: toby928© at November 13, 2013 02:53 PM (QupBk)
Posted by: toby928© at November 13, 2013 06:53 PM (QupBk)
I almost paid $425 for a Ruger 10-22 Talo special edition "Cattle Drive" yesterday. Decided against it, but it was cool looking
Posted by: The Jackhole at November 13, 2013 02:55 PM (nTgAI)
Posted by: President Urkel at November 13, 2013 02:55 PM (7/um6)
Posted by: toby928© at November 13, 2013 02:57 PM (QupBk)
The title of this post needs very little adjustment for the oh so appropriate meme:
Downfall: Hitler Summons Senate Democrats For Crisis Meeting on Obamacare
Posted by: Minuteman at November 13, 2013 03:01 PM (7/um6)
I am going to trick out a turned bolt 91/30 with the Archangel Stock and kit and a modern scope and post the results.
Posted by: sven10077 at November 13, 2013 03:01 PM (9jfyN)
Posted by: toby928© at November 13, 2013 03:11 PM (QupBk)
eh the PU mount is good enough for me comrade...
Posted by: sven10077 at November 13, 2013 03:13 PM (9jfyN)
Say you have a plan with $10,000 deductible (and some are much higher). That means for the first $10,000 of medical care you receive in the calendar year, you have to pay the medical providers $10,000. Granted some insured have very high health care bills due to serious illness, but realistically, how many of us run up health care bills of $833 a month? But until you pay off that nut, you've got no insurance. All cash out of your pockets.
Also fun will be hospitals and doctors demanding that the deductible be paid up front, before any treatment, because they're afraid of getting stiffed.
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Posted by: Commissioner Gordon at November 13, 2013 04:08 PM (g4GX8)
You can lead a retarded bint to reality but you can't make her think...
Posted by: sven10077 at November 13, 2013 04:13 PM (9jfyN)
Baroque's policies of sharing wealth also includes transgender surgery paid by you and me! For the tiny minority of chaz's in the country, we change everything with them (in religion, in patriotism, in government, in employment, and in health insurance)! If you want to keep your genitals, too bad, if you want to change, it is covered 100%! Better yet, if you are an illegal and want to change your plumbing, hey, we help you as well!
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Posted by: the Butcher at November 13, 2013 01:56 PM (8g9qq)