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October 08, 2013

Mens Rea: Lois Lerner Sent Confidential Taxpayer Information Through Private Emails
— Ace

Why is that important? Consciousness of guilt. It is a well-known trick of our Federal Masters that they will resort to using private emails -- safely immune from automatic record-keeping, and generally not subpoenaed (unless you know exactly what you're looking for) -- for their more, um, controversial missives.

We knew she had the actus reus -- the guilty act. But she could always say "Serious You Guys, I didn't know the rules, I made a mistake."

But here now the mens rea, the guilty mind. Why does this illegal activity just happen to occur in private email, if not due to knowledge it is in fact illegal?

Senior Internal Revenue Service officialsÂ—including one at the heart of the IRS Â“targetingÂ” scandalÂ—violated agency policies and possibly federal records laws by using private email to send confidential taxpayer information, the GOP-led House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform said in a letter.
In a Sept. 30 letter to IRS Acting Commissioner Daniel Werfel obtained by the Free Beacon, Oversight Chairman Darrel Issa (R., Calif.) said an investigation revealed a Â“troubling patternÂ” of at least four top IRS officials using their private email addresses to relay confidential tax information.
Â“This not only raises the prospect of violations of the Federal Records Act but it also raises data security concerns and violates internal IRS policies,Â” Issa wrote to Werfel.
...
IRS policies prohibit employees from sending confidential taxpayer information through non-official channels. Federal statutes also strictly prohibit the IRS from releasing taxpayer information.
Additionally, federal employees are prohibited from using private email accounts to conduct official business, unless they copy their official accounts on such messages to ensure they are properly recorded.

If she didn't know that what she was doing was either contrary to policy or actually illegal -- a claim I expect her to make -- then why did it just so happen these actions were performed on her No One Knows private email account?

I tend to believe a guy who says "I didn't know this was wrong" when he does it right out in the open. When he takes efforts at concealment, then I'm not willing to believe he didn't know it was wrong.

In addition, you will not be surprised to learn that IRS officials did not inform Congressional investigators about these emails, although the knew about them, and despite being repeatedly asked for them.

Posted by: Ace at 02:11 PM | Comments (278)
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1 perhaps Romney's snuck to Reid's this way.

Posted by: willow at October 08, 2013 02:13 PM (nqBYe)

2 Lois is laughing all the way to the bank. In the Cayman Islands.

Foist?

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Ecclesiates 9:11) at October 08, 2013 02:13 PM (lAZep)

3 This is scary. They all have at least one fake email account for shady business. Just as JEF goes "offsite" for meetings where they do not need to be recorded. Dark government.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 08, 2013 02:13 PM (IXrOn)

4 What difference does it make?

No seriously, what difference does it make when Eric Holder runs the Justice department?

Posted by: Dr Spank at October 08, 2013 02:14 PM (9jLim)

5 LIVs don't understand that raising the debt ceiling allows more borrowing. Or the difference between debt and deficit. No way they'll understand this. As for the rest of us, we already knew she was dirty as a Bill Clinton wet dream.

Posted by: WalrusRex at October 08, 2013 02:14 PM (XUKZU)

6 Im sure Holder will get right on this one.

Posted by: SnyderJohn at October 08, 2013 02:14 PM (W2qJe)

7 Issa's job is literally slogging through sh*t. I hope he can shower the stank off when it's all said and done.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 08, 2013 02:15 PM (IXrOn)

8 Accountability is so last century, braheim!

Posted by: Ezra Klein et al [/i] [/b] at October 08, 2013 02:15 PM (jo069)

9 If you're first and don't call it, does it count?

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Ecclesiates 9:11) at October 08, 2013 02:15 PM (lAZep)

10 "Nothing political about this." MSM

Posted by: Jimmy the Zimmy at October 08, 2013 02:15 PM (rCS6C)

11 How anyone can still believe that "we the people" exist as the head of a government existing by our consent is beyond me. It is them against us. Full Stop.

Posted by: RS at October 08, 2013 02:15 PM (YAGV/)

12 Lois needs to be tried and in jail. Sally Jewel (Sec. Interior in charge of NPS needs to be impeached for the gestapo tactics used against visitors to the national parks and memorials) Where is the petition I can sign to demand this happen?

Posted by: palerider at October 08, 2013 02:15 PM (dkExz)

13 Did she make any videos which insult the Prophet Muhammed (PBUH)? Could frogmarch her tomorrow then.

Posted by: Beagle at October 08, 2013 02:16 PM (sOtz/)

14 14-Boner will save us! I mean, "Bad Optics!".

Posted by: nip at October 08, 2013 02:16 PM (jI23+)

15 this doesn't seem very helpful for iRS, but as with Reporter's phone information emails being looked at.

it will be reported on for about 5 minutes, Than it's all about anarchists tea partying conservative hijackers of the Good Republicans like McCain and Grahm. and harming the Govt ability to do it's best for the citizens..

Posted by: willow at October 08, 2013 02:16 PM (nqBYe)

16

Transparency!!! Transparency!!! Transparency!!!

Posted by: The Left, 6 Years Ago at October 08, 2013 02:17 PM (D0bIN)

17 ..and in a companion story..

oops. sorry. never mind

Posted by: Things mama said at October 08, 2013 02:17 PM (xr2DQ)

18 We knew that.

Posted by: NSA at October 08, 2013 02:17 PM (FcR7P)

19 Holder should be in an isolated cell.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 08, 2013 02:17 PM (IXrOn)

20 Sally Jewel meet Krystal Ball.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at October 08, 2013 02:17 PM (E0/Ok)

21 Go Issa. What's the consequence though? Otherwise, it's like bacteria becoming resistant. There must be consequences.

Posted by: Feh at October 08, 2013 02:17 PM (g/zj9)

22 I want that bitch in jail.Hell,I want the whole Obama administration in jail.

Posted by: steevy at October 08, 2013 02:17 PM (9XBK2)

23 If we were still a nation of laws that would be a felony. Lucky for them we're not. I do so adore that those whose information was revealed cannot find out the results of the investigation due to the privacy rights of the.person who leaked the info.

Posted by: alexthechick - Here SMOD SMOD SMOD at October 08, 2013 02:17 PM (VqmIG)

24 Did they ever find anything in Sarah Palin's yahoo mail account? Or was that all bullshit?

Posted by: EC at October 08, 2013 02:18 PM (nkuLy)

25 seriously, I am this far >< from having a thrombo

The king is a fink!

Posted by: Jones in CO at October 08, 2013 02:18 PM (8sCoq)

26 So, when are the indictments coming? This year? Next? Three years? Personally, I think they need a lesson that would put the fear of God in every one of those wretches.

Posted by: Gmac-Pondering the coming implosion at October 08, 2013 02:18 PM (IanLz)

27 alex, i know! and how do they get away with that?
hstly it's mind boggling..

Posted by: willow at October 08, 2013 02:19 PM (nqBYe)

28 I'm with palerider; enough of these fucking hearings and time off with pay. We need significant jail time for these turds and life destroying personal fines.

Posted by: Captain Hate on his iPhone at October 08, 2013 02:19 PM (6s5sy)

29 This government wants a revolution.

Posted by: Feh at October 08, 2013 02:19 PM (g/zj9)

30 If only there were some people tasked with ensuring that such reprehensible conduct would be punished. If only there were a department of the government charged with pursuing justice. We could call it Aw hell, I've been too disgusted for too long by thisthe bunch to enthusiastically bring the snark anymore.

Posted by: Boomstick at October 08, 2013 02:19 PM (xPfg3)

31 LL belongs in jail on several scores. We know the corrupt AG will not do it because he belongs in jail as well.

So the House needs to charge her with criminal contempt for lying to them and send the case directly to the DC District court. They have already done that for Holder and he has been practicing the foot dragging techniques of the drunk grabbing the door edge as the bartender tries to push him out the door at last call.

He has file spurious BS calls the throw the case out. The court has shot him down so he will probably be going to trial soon.

Posted by: Vic at October 08, 2013 02:19 PM (zZbNF)

32 We knew she had the actus reus Sounds painful... Does OCare cover it?

Posted by: rickb223 at October 08, 2013 02:19 PM (h1D+w)

33 I love it when Ace speaks French, it get's me moist.

Posted by: Matt Yglesia's Balloon Know at October 08, 2013 02:19 PM (g9Osd)

34 We'd love to report on this, but there are only so many bytes on the internet, so we've got to save space.

Posted by: The MFM at October 08, 2013 02:19 PM (FcR7P)

35 That reprimand in her permanent file is going to be so sternly worded you guys.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at October 08, 2013 02:20 PM (+lsX1)

36 Everybody knows the bitch is guilty as hell. The question is anyone going to do anything about it?

Posted by: maddogg at October 08, 2013 02:20 PM (xWW96)

37 Knot...

I meant to do that.

Posted by: Matt Yglesia's Balloon Know at October 08, 2013 02:20 PM (g9Osd)

38 It was suggested once, many years ago, by an unknown and long forgotten blog commentator that the scandals coming out of the Obama administration, once said administration was no longer in power politically, would be of biblical proportions. The greatest scandals of human history would be discovered after Obama no longer wields the imperial scepter.

But that guy what wrote that was probably a crank so just ignore it.

Posted by: Things mama said at October 08, 2013 02:20 PM (xr2DQ)

39 Lois needs to be tried and in jail. Sally Jewel (Sec. Interior in charge of NPS needs to be impeached for the gestapo tactics used against visitors to the national parks and memorials) One word only: Extrajudicial.

Posted by: imp at October 08, 2013 02:20 PM (L9AnB)

40 Issa is just sandbagging it ... just doing enough to make you think he is progressing. No one has spent a day in jail over any of his investigations ... not one day .. he is part of the GOP elite and they are just happy as pigs in shit with how things are going.... they will not rock the boat... too much

Posted by: ET at October 08, 2013 02:21 PM (YpjaN)

41 my fav part of The Untouchables

for entertainment purposes only

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rm8znuNRibs

Posted by: Jones in CO at October 08, 2013 02:21 PM (8sCoq)

42 With Obama's sky-high 41% approval rating, even considering a special prosecutor for this will only drive the moderates from the GOP. After all, with the current drive for political purity in the GOP, with its hostage taking terrorist Koch backed leader, Cruz, not even Ronald Reagan himself could get elected in today's GOP. Instead, we need to learn to work with the democrats in destroying our grass roots and criminalizing our potential politicians. signed,xxoo McCain's brain trust.

Posted by: joeindc44 is totally not on Soros's pay now...right? at October 08, 2013 02:21 PM (QxSug)

43 Faction uber alles. It's going to be York v. Lancaster; Cavaliers and Roundheads. Absent a way to redefine the fight, the factional spirit overriding everything else just is going to be too hard to stop, and unless you want to surrender the right to not bow down, some line will have to be drawn.

Posted by: The World Wonders at October 08, 2013 02:22 PM (GpGXK)

44 Imasneekybich@anywho

Posted by: Bigby's Bare Hands at October 08, 2013 02:22 PM (RLTt1)

45 I cannot wait to see the Pardon List as Obama leaves office.

Posted by: jj at October 08, 2013 02:22 PM (gWO5X)

46 Did they ever find anything in Sarah Palin's yahoo mail account? Or was that all bullshit? If you haven't heard anything by now, take a guess...

Posted by: rickb223 at October 08, 2013 02:22 PM (h1D+w)

47 Did they ever find anything in Sarah Palin's yahoo mail account?

Or was that all bullshit?

Posted by: EC

Found, caught, and tried. Sentenced to one year. He may or may not have been sent to a half-way house during that sentence; the Wiki is unclear.

Posted by: Ezra Klein et al [/i] [/b] at October 08, 2013 02:22 PM (jo069)

48 This sounds like Ace is a real attorney, and not just a movie reviewer and hobo hunter.

The dude can multitask.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 08, 2013 02:23 PM (/kU/5)

49 I'm on this story! Seriously.

Posted by: Krystal Ball at October 08, 2013 02:23 PM (/1ATA)

50
Spoiler Alert:

She's going to get away with it.

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at October 08, 2013 02:23 PM (0IhFx)

51 The US Gov't is SKYNET

Posted by: Jones in CO at October 08, 2013 02:23 PM (8sCoq)

52 If you haven't heard anything by now, take a guess... I guess not.

Posted by: EC at October 08, 2013 02:23 PM (nkuLy)

53 I cannot wait to see the Pardon List as Obama leaves office. More pages than OCare!

Posted by: rickb223 at October 08, 2013 02:24 PM (h1D+w)

54 I cannot wait to see the Pardon List as Obama leaves office. More pages than OCare!

Posted by: rickb223 at October 08, 2013 02:24 PM (h1D+w)

55 This is no longer a country with a government. It is, and has been for a few years, a government with a country. Ace is/was right. We are in very dangerous waters and may be close to a tipping point. I no longer trust ANY institution, especially from government.

Posted by: Truck Monkey, Gruntled New Business Owner at October 08, 2013 02:24 PM (jucos)

56 This is no longer a country with a government. It is, and has been for a few years, a government with a country. Ace is/was right. We are in very dangerous waters and may be close to a tipping point. I no longer trust ANY institution, especially from government.

Posted by: Truck Monkey, Gruntled New Business Owner at October 08, 2013 02:24 PM (jucos)

57 ET, this does kind of remind me of Patrick Fitzgerald investigating back in the day.

that didn't really turn out as it should have.

i hope this isn't similar.

Posted by: willow at October 08, 2013 02:24 PM (nqBYe)

58 ET, this does kind of remind me of Patrick Fitzgerald investigating back in the day.

that didn't really turn out as it should have.

i hope this isn't similar.

Posted by: willow at October 08, 2013 02:24 PM (nqBYe)

59 The good thing is, he can't pardon himself.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Ecclesiates 9:11) at October 08, 2013 02:24 PM (lAZep)

60 The good thing is, he can't pardon himself.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Ecclesiates 9:11) at October 08, 2013 02:24 PM (lAZep)

61 This sounds like Ace is a real attorney, and not just a movie reviewer and hobo hunter.

But did he know Professor Kingsfield personally and boink Lindsay Wagner? Unless the answer to both is yes, I'm not impressed.

Posted by: pep at October 08, 2013 02:24 PM (6TB1Z)

62 This sounds like Ace is a real attorney, and not just a movie reviewer and hobo hunter.

But did he know Professor Kingsfield personally and boink Lindsay Wagner? Unless the answer to both is yes, I'm not impressed.

Posted by: pep at October 08, 2013 02:24 PM (6TB1Z)

63 I cannot wait to see the Pardon List as Obama leaves office. More pages than OCare! Posted by: rickb223 He better write a few dozen for himself

Posted by: Dept. Of Acuracy at October 08, 2013 02:25 PM (MhA4j)

64 I cannot wait to see the Pardon List as Obama leaves office. More pages than OCare! Posted by: rickb223 He better write a few dozen for himself

Posted by: Dept. Of Acuracy at October 08, 2013 02:25 PM (MhA4j)

65 Clinton had a huge pardon list but most of them were from people who were bribing him for a pardon.

Posted by: Vic at October 08, 2013 02:25 PM (zZbNF)

66 Clinton had a huge pardon list but most of them were from people who were bribing him for a pardon.

Posted by: Vic at October 08, 2013 02:25 PM (zZbNF)

67 How much you wanna bet Lerner has been designated an essential employee and she is getting her checks right on time.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 08, 2013 02:25 PM (g1DWB)

68 How much you wanna bet Lerner has been designated an essential employee and she is getting her checks right on time.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 08, 2013 02:25 PM (g1DWB)

69 IDK, where is Issa on the special prosecutor. This is bullshit, yo.

Posted by: joeindc44 is totally not on Soros's pay now...right? at October 08, 2013 02:25 PM (QxSug)

70 IDK, where is Issa on the special prosecutor. This is bullshit, yo.

Posted by: joeindc44 is totally not on Soros's pay now...right? at October 08, 2013 02:25 PM (QxSug)

71 *sidles over to Mallamutt* Hi. How you doin'?

Posted by: alexthechick - Here SMOD SMOD SMOD at October 08, 2013 02:25 PM (VqmIG)

72 *sidles over to Mallamutt* Hi. How you doin'?

Posted by: alexthechick - Here SMOD SMOD SMOD at October 08, 2013 02:25 PM (VqmIG)

73 >>>Holder should be in an isolated cell. How about a Holder cell?

Posted by: Caliban at October 08, 2013 02:26 PM (2ArJQ)

74 >>>Holder should be in an isolated cell. How about a Holder cell?

Posted by: Caliban at October 08, 2013 02:26 PM (2ArJQ)

75 Where is the website for applying for pardons?

Posted by: Bigby's Bare Hands at October 08, 2013 02:26 PM (RLTt1)

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 08, 2013 06:23 PM (/kU/5)

But IIRC didn't he mess up a fairly simple legal principle a while back and got hammered on it by the horde council?

Having said that, if ace were an attorney his court arguments would be fun to watch.

OT, so if I knicked myself with a knife on my finger tip and it's not bleeding, I'm fine right? Just a papercut style injury?

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (tablet) at October 08, 2013 02:27 PM (GaqMa)

77 Really Ace: mens rea means "the guilty MAN", and thus cannot be applied to Lois Lerner, at least not without further investigation. Only if she wore a pants suit to Congress would there be probable cause.

Posted by: Arbalest at October 08, 2013 02:27 PM (FlRtG)

78 Good thing they don't have control over our healthcare recordsÂ… oh, waitÂ… Ffffffffffffffffffffffffff***********ccccccccccccck!

Posted by: The Political Hat at October 08, 2013 02:27 PM (XvHmy)

79 And the media will continue to whistle and look the other way.

Scandal? What scandal?

Posted by: Gina at October 08, 2013 02:27 PM (5Oqsx)

I am confident that this would never happen with the private medical records of citizens. This is because The Government is full of competent people like Lois and I trust them.

/snark

Posted by: exurbanDoug at October 08, 2013 02:27 PM (IjLSd)

81 Issa is just sandbagging it ... just doing enough to make you think he is progressing.

You are an imbecile.

Take your tinfoil apparel back to Free Republic or whichever retard-farm you escaped from.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at October 08, 2013 02:27 PM (SY2Kh)

82 >>>Mens Rea: Lois Lerner There he goes with the spelling again. It's REAR!

Posted by: Caliban at October 08, 2013 02:27 PM (2ArJQ)

I was audited by the IRS last year. The only good thing about it is the possibility that I've irritated someone enough in the federal government to sic the IRS on me, although I'd be hard-pressed to figure out what I've done to merit the attention. Even if the audit was routine and my number just came up, I'm keeping good company.

If my name doesn't appear on the enemies list of a government tyrannical and petty enough to keep an enemies list, then I'm not trying hard enough.

Posted by: troyriser at October 08, 2013 02:27 PM (V9ol4)

84 I got mens rea in Indonesia back in the day, damn near killed me.

Posted by: Dr Spank at October 08, 2013 02:28 PM (9jLim)

85 47 With Obama's sky-high 41% approval rating, even considering a special prosecutor for this will only drive the moderates from the GOP. After all, with the current drive for political purity in the GOP, with its hostage taking terrorist Koch backed leader, Cruz, not even Ronald Reagan himself could get elected in today's GOP. Instead, we need to learn to work with the democrats in destroying our grass roots and criminalizing our potential politicians.
signed,xxoo
McCain's brain trust.
Posted by: joeindc44 is totally not on Soros's pay now...right? at October 08, 2013 06:21 PM (QxSug)
While tuning around on the radio today I got to hear "conservative" Micheal Medved call Cruz an idiot.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at October 08, 2013 02:28 PM (E0/Ok)

86 I wonder how deep and hard the GOP will have to dig to come up with a candidate that can lose to these butt spooners.

Posted by: maddogg at October 08, 2013 02:28 PM (xWW96)

87 Probably Lois will be found guilty of putting the wrong color fingernail polish that clashed with her outfit and will be sentenced to 10 hours of community service buffing obamas toenails.

Posted by: willow at October 08, 2013 02:28 PM (nqBYe)

88 it doesnt matter he can do whatever he wants now WHATEVER HE WANTS the msm will only give it token coverage and his FUCKING PIECE OF SHIT ATTORNEY GENERAL wont do anything either ive been saying this for a while now...it almost seems like the democrats dont care about the next mid terms because they know they will win no matter what because of voter fraud or even worse THEY KNOW THERES NOT GOING TO BE ANY MIDTERM ELECTIONS all this is pointing to something very very bad we are officially through the looking glass now

Posted by: sound awake at October 08, 2013 02:29 PM (ICZYk)

89 Just a papercut style injury?

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (tablet) at October 08, 2013 06:27 PM (GaqMa)

You effete PhDs need to suck it up.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 08, 2013 02:29 PM (/kU/5)

90
I saw Mens Rea open for Dire Straits back in '93.

Yeah, they sucked. DS was tight though.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at October 08, 2013 02:29 PM (TIIx5)

91 #3. Eccl. 9:11 I again saw under the sun that the race is not to the swift and the battle is not to the warriors, and neither is bread to the wise nor wealth to the discerning nor favor to men of ability; for time and chance overtake them all.

Posted by: panzernashorn at October 08, 2013 02:30 PM (MhA4j)

92 Issa is a fraud.

Posted by: soothsayer at October 08, 2013 02:30 PM (KlSV3)

93 77 Issa is just sandbagging it ... just doing enough to make you think he is progressing. You are an imbecile. Take your tinfoil apparel back to Free Republic or whichever retard-farm you escaped from. Posted by: Hollowpoint at October 08, 2013 06:27 PM (SY2Kh) retard is now frowned upon the new more accurate term is "window licker"

Posted by: Strategic Corporal USMC at October 08, 2013 02:30 PM (/OUqZ)

94 CharlieBrown'sDildo hey, I have not seen you in days. good job on the meet up last week.

Posted by: yankeefifth at October 08, 2013 02:31 PM (Z9EHQ)

95 89 Issa is a fraud. Issa is a sissa!

Posted by: Caliban at October 08, 2013 02:31 PM (2ArJQ)

96 This seems like the sort of news that would be greeted with howls from the media for a special prosecutor if it happened between January 2000 and January 2009.

Posted by: Baron Von Ottomatic at October 08, 2013 02:32 PM (6WVi+)

97 Of course she broke the law sending confidential information with PII ( Personal Identifying Information ) on it with her personal Email. Just as it is for me in the Navy.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 08, 2013 02:32 PM (1RQeV)

98 Posted by: yankeefifth at October 08, 2013 06:31 PM (Z9EHQ)

Thank you!

I think we were more pleased than our hosts. They seemed cranky.

Did you mention a Las Vegas meet? A national meet-up would be quite the amusing party.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 08, 2013 02:32 PM (/kU/5)

99 Issa is doing great. Turns out there is no illegal activity is all. It's not hard to understand.

Posted by: nip at October 08, 2013 02:32 PM (jI23+)

100 >>>Really Ace: mens rea means "the guilty MAN it means the guilty mind.

Posted by: ace at October 08, 2013 02:33 PM (/IWYB)

101 Posted by: Arbalest at October 08, 2013 06:27 PM (FlRtG)

Mens Rea means "guilty mine" and it distinguishes whether bad acts are civil or criminal. I think what Ace is saying there is that she knew her acts were criminal, thus had a "guilty mine" and can be prosecuting under criminal law.

Posted by: Vic at October 08, 2013 02:33 PM (zZbNF)

102 Helmet Wearing Short Bus Rider can also be substituted.

Posted by: Truck Monkey, Gruntled New Business Owner at October 08, 2013 02:33 PM (jucos)

103 The good thing is, he can't pardon himself.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Ecclesiates 9:11) at October 08, 2013 06:24 PM (lAZep)

Maybe he can't pardon himself, but I can't conceive of a possible world where President Obama is charged with anything, up to and including high treason. He can never be perceived or recorded as a tyrant, failure or criminal. Ever. The reasons for his perpetual immunity are manifestly self-evident and he knows it, hence the numerous lawless decisions he's made, such as changing the Obamacare law by executive fiat.

Posted by: troyriser at October 08, 2013 02:33 PM (V9ol4)

104 Did you mention a Las Vegas meet? A national meet-up would be quite the amusing party. Have it at the Wynn. They've got a "nice" pool.

Posted by: EC at October 08, 2013 02:33 PM (nkuLy)

105 You can't touch me I'm part of the union. You can't touch me I belong to the union. You can't touch me I'm part of the union. I'm a union man. ... and your little dog too!

Posted by: Lois Lerner (proud of my public service) at October 08, 2013 02:34 PM (yL0v8)

106

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 08, 2013 06:23 PM (/kU/5)

Eh, it was a half serious question.

I was worried only because it feels weird, but I think that's the damned skin interfering with my typing

Freshly sharpened knives and a sink :sigh:

I had a friend slash up his finger with a knife a while back. Nothing bad, but a few stiches, but it has made me knife cautious since.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (tablet) at October 08, 2013 02:34 PM (GaqMa)

107
I wonder how deep and hard the GOP will have to dig to come up with a candidate that can lose to these butt spooners.

I was the GOP's best shot, but the butt-lickers ran a campaign to discredit me and claim I was a party time whore. All nonsense.

Posted by: Christine O'Donnell at October 08, 2013 02:34 PM (pJF+c)

108 Mens Rea means "guilty mine" and it distinguishes whether bad acts are civil or criminal. I think what Ace is saying there is that she knew her acts were criminal, thus had a "guilty mine" and can be prosecuting under criminal law.

I'll go with Vic on this one. After all, he helped invent Latin.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at October 08, 2013 02:34 PM (YEelc)

109 Eccl. 9:11
I again saw under the sun that the race is not to the swift and the battle is not to the warriors, and neither is bread to the wise nor wealth to the discerning nor favor to men of ability; for time and chance overtake them all.

Posted by: panzernashorn at October 08, 2013 06:30 PM (MhA4j)

Oh, right: Ecclesiastes. Just the thing to lighten the mood.

Posted by: troyriser at October 08, 2013 02:35 PM (V9ol4)

110 Did you mention a Las Vegas meet? A national meet-up would be quite the amusing party. Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 08, 2013 06:32 yeah, I am self appointed national meet-up organizer. vegas sounds as if it is a good place to everyone in and stashed easily and inexpensively. need some ideas on days, I was thinking summer 2014. ideas?

Posted by: yankeefifth at October 08, 2013 02:35 PM (Z9EHQ)

111 I got mens rea in Indonesia back in the day, damn near killed me.

Posted by: Dr Spank at October 08, 2013 06:28 PM (9jLim)

Uh-oh. You can't get that from dog meat, can you?

Posted by: Barry Soetoro at October 08, 2013 02:35 PM (wAQA5)

112 I'll go with Vic on this one. After all, he helped invent Latin. Holy shit, Vic is how old????

Posted by: EC at October 08, 2013 02:35 PM (nkuLy)

113 After all, he helped invent Latin. Posted by: Blanco Basura And sunshine

Posted by: Dept. Of Acuracy at October 08, 2013 02:35 PM (MhA4j)

114 The Brady Bunch's cat just tied it up in the 5th.

Posted by: soothsayer at October 08, 2013 02:35 PM (KlSV3)

115 Hello sweetheart

Posted by: burmatar at October 08, 2013 02:35 PM (pRXgO)

116 Sometime after the 2014 elections, LL might eventually be indicted and plead out for a wristslap. However, she will keep her pension and her mouth shut.

They're gonna need a fall guy.

Posted by: GnuBreed at October 08, 2013 02:36 PM (wNF3N)

117 Look let's face it, The dems/liberals have turned the entire Federal Bureaucracy into one giant progressive job fair. When we retake the executive, if we retake the executive, we have to aggressively address that ASAP.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 08, 2013 02:36 PM (1RQeV)

118 Can we just handcuff the entire D.C. Metro area? Even if we have to import steel from China to do it? I'm thinking Anarchy to be more appealing at this point.

We have rampant corruption and criminality going on and we all know nothing - Not. A. Thing. - is going to happen to those perpetrating the crime or to those tasked with seeing that Justice is done and not doing it.

Banana Republic of the Disunited States

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at October 08, 2013 02:36 PM (eHIJJ)

119 You should ask Vic about his Civil war experiences, they're fascinating.

Posted by: Dr Spank at October 08, 2013 02:36 PM (9jLim)

120

Guilty Man would be Mens Vir or Mens Homo for Guilty Mankind.

Truth be told I just wanted to type Homo and seem smart doing it.

Posted by: Truck Monkey, Gruntled New Business Owner at October 08, 2013 02:36 PM (jucos)

121 It's funny (not really) how the people who pay for all the largess of the government, who pay their local, state, and federal taxes are so vilified by this administration. Are so investigated and audited by this administration. Have their rights ground into the asphalt. Are expected to take multiple percentage increases in costs and silently comply. I'm wishfully hoping that tanks don't have to run through the streets of Washington, DC to restore this country, but every day that goes by I become a little more disheartened.

Posted by: Name Withheld Upon Request [/i] at October 08, 2013 02:37 PM (U2UQk)

122 okay now let's closely compare mens rea with mea culpa..

Posted by: soothsayer at October 08, 2013 02:37 PM (KlSV3)

123
Thank you!

I think we were more pleased than our hosts. They seemed cranky.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 08, 2013 06:32 PM (/kU/5)

Wouldn't you be cranky if you found a suspicious barrel surrounded by Kaboom boxes in your fine drinking establishment?

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at October 08, 2013 02:37 PM (TIIx5)

124 77 Take your tinfoil...

Get back to me when someones doin time over any of these investigations ... until then bud, you're the retard here.

Posted by: ET at October 08, 2013 02:38 PM (YpjaN)

125 If I were lerner I would have boxing gloves permanently sewn onto my hands and stay away from fort marcy park under all circumstances.

Posted by: yankeefifth at October 08, 2013 02:38 PM (Z9EHQ)

126 Nevergiveup: "When we retake the executive, if we retake the executive, we have to aggressively address that ASAP."

Let's not get hasty. First, we need to purge all TEA.

Posted by: Karl Rove, Grover Norquist, McPain and Grahamnesty at October 08, 2013 02:38 PM (eHIJJ)

127 *ahem* ORANGE. FUCKING. JUMPSUITS.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith [/i] [/b] [/s] [/u] at October 08, 2013 02:38 PM (qyfb5)

128 Lois Lerner has mens rea all month long!

Posted by: [/i]andycanuck[/b] at October 08, 2013 02:39 PM (i4xvM)

129 One day, Moses was playing and Vic pulled back the Goat Skin from the window and yelled "Get Off My Lawn!"

Posted by: Dept. Of Acuracy at October 08, 2013 02:39 PM (MhA4j)

130 Note to self: even when printed Sense of Humor works, it doesn't ...

Posted by: Arbalest at October 08, 2013 02:39 PM (FlRtG)

131 Jocko Homo

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at October 08, 2013 02:39 PM (E0/Ok)

132 They weaponized the government.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at October 08, 2013 02:39 PM (ZPrif)

133

Yeah.....my shocked face is at the cleaners right now - it was really getting bad.

Nothing to see here, move along.

What difference, at this point, does it make?

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX at October 08, 2013 02:39 PM (PZ6/M)

134 So, people are watching the IRS, the NSA, and even the Park Rangers targeting and attacking ordinary citizens. You really would think people would wake the f*ck up.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 08, 2013 02:39 PM (IXrOn)

135 Lois Lerner will never be held to account as long as Holder's in charge of Justice. We may have to wait until after 2016 for justice, and even then, probably nothing will happen.

Posted by: Iblis at October 08, 2013 02:40 PM (9221z)

136 so how long is the statute of limitations on what lerner is guilty of, if it is more than 2 years and change I say we hold of on prosecuting her until after obama is replaced.

Posted by: yankeefifth at October 08, 2013 02:40 PM (Z9EHQ)

137 ...apologies to the mentally challenged.

Posted by: ET at October 08, 2013 02:40 PM (YpjaN)

138 yeah, I am self appointed national meet-up organizer. vegas sounds as if it is a good place to everyone in and stashed easily and inexpensively. need some ideas on days, I was thinking summer 2014. ideas? I'm thinking this Friday. Since I'll be there & all. :-)

Posted by: rickb223 at October 08, 2013 02:40 PM (h1D+w)

139 If Vegas is the choice, it has to be a Wynn or Sands property. Those guys aren't afraid to call Obama out. MGM and Harrahs are in Reid's pocket or vice versa...

Posted by: Fritz (not Fritz) at October 08, 2013 02:40 PM (U0t2o)

140 Lois Lerner will never be held to account as long as Holder's in charge of Justice. We may have to wait until after 2016 for justice, and even then, probably nothing will happen. Here's hoping people will remember. I'm not talking about the establishment GOP.

Posted by: EC at October 08, 2013 02:41 PM (nkuLy)

141 #81 I don't know WTF has happened to Medved. He's always been kind of squishy and he was still banging that President Lady Tees is a great orator long after it was obvious he was a complete retard off prompter. Maybe one too many "Disagreement Days" put him over the edge.

Posted by: Captain Hate on his iPhone at October 08, 2013 02:41 PM (6s5sy)

142 They weaponized the government.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at October 08, 2013 06:39 PM (ZPrif)

__________________

^THIS^

Posted by: Truck Monkey, Gruntled New Business Owner at October 08, 2013 02:41 PM (jucos)

143 The story of Adam and Eve was gussied up for Hollywood. The real story is Vic caught them stealing an apple from one of his trees and told them to get the hell out his garden.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 08, 2013 02:41 PM (g1DWB)

144 Obama and Eric Holder has used the DOJ to wage jihad on half of America.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at October 08, 2013 02:41 PM (ZPrif)

145 One day, Moses was playing and Vic pulled back the Goat Skin from the window and yelled "Get Off My Lawn!" Posted by: Dept. Of Acuracy at October 08, 2013 06:39 PM (MhA4j) Ah, but, now we see The One shouting for us to get off our public lawns.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 08, 2013 02:41 PM (IXrOn)

146 Tip of the iceberg. And the MFM will ignore it, alas. Fuck them to Hell. All of them. There, back, and there again. This is just sickening.

Posted by: eureka! at October 08, 2013 02:41 PM (hmMJD)

147 > Look let's face it, The dems/liberals have turned the entire Federal Bureaucracy into one giant progressive job fair. When we retake the executive, if we retake the executive, we have to aggressively address that ASAP.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 08, 2013 06:36 PM (1RQeV)

Undeclared Presidential Hopeful Jones In CO has a plan to address this.

-he would fire 10% of the federal workforce every year he is in office

-he would not replace retiring employees

Posted by: Jones in CO at October 08, 2013 02:42 PM (8sCoq)

148 Oh I'm sure Lerner has documented training on the do's and don't of PII and email. She knowingly violated the law.

Posted by: CDR M at October 08, 2013 02:42 PM (OJvfL)

149 Obama and Eric Holder has used the DOJ to wage jihad on half of America. Posted by: Flatbush Joe at October 08, 2013 06:41 PM (ZPrif) The soft coup continues.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 08, 2013 02:42 PM (IXrOn)

150 And this is why I said why stop and defunding O-care. Defund the IRS too. All it is now is a partisan agency out to destroy its opponents.

Posted by: Iblis at October 08, 2013 02:42 PM (9221z)

151 137 If Vegas is the choice, it has to be a Wynn or Sands property. Those guys aren't afraid to call Obama out. MGM and Harrahs are in Reid's pocket or vice versa... Wynn is pimptastic. It's the same hotel that Prince Harry got all that tail in. Plus the "special" pool is perfect for the Ettes.

Posted by: EC at October 08, 2013 02:42 PM (nkuLy)

152 God rests on the 7th day, Vic calls him a lazy hippy on the 8th day.

Posted by: Dr Spank at October 08, 2013 02:42 PM (9jLim)

153 126 Lois Lerner has mens rea all month long! One damn thing after another!

Posted by: Caliban at October 08, 2013 02:42 PM (2ArJQ)

154

Posted by: Truck Monkey, Gruntled New Business Owner at October 08, 2013 06:41 PM (jucos)

They've weaponized science, philosophy and religion too.

They'll weaponize anything remotely malleable

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (tablet) at October 08, 2013 02:43 PM (GaqMa)

155 re national meetup in Vegas in the summer -- bad idea. Unless you like 117 degree days, it's kinda hot during July and August there. I went there one summer and Ho Lee Fuk was there too.

Come to the Gulf Coast instead. Only 95 degrees here in the summer.

Posted by: GnuBreed at October 08, 2013 02:43 PM (wNF3N)

156 Bring back the spoils system. At least that's honest.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at October 08, 2013 02:43 PM (ZPrif)

157 It's the same hotel that Prince Harry got all that tail in. Plus the "special" pool is perfect for the Ettes. Posted by: EC at October 08, 2013 06:42 PM I am usually at the bellagio but the wynn is fine. if we are further off the strip we may have an easier time keeping everyone in one place.

Posted by: yankeefifth at October 08, 2013 02:44 PM (Z9EHQ)

158 We should go to Reno for a National Meet Up.

Posted by: Truck Monkey, Gruntled New Business Owner at October 08, 2013 02:44 PM (jucos)

159 I tend to believe a guy who says "I didn't know this was wrong" when he does it right out in the open. When he takes efforts at concealment, then I'm not willing to believe he didn't know it was wrong.

Was that wrong? Was I not supposed to do that?

Posted by: George Costanza at October 08, 2013 02:44 PM (aTXUx)

160 Vic notices Adam and Eve on his lawn and Adam sitting around doing nothing. Calls Adam a commie bastard.

Posted by: Name Withheld Upon Request [/i] at October 08, 2013 02:45 PM (U2UQk)

161 I would take smoke filled back rooms at this point.

Posted by: Truck Monkey, Gruntled New Business Owner at October 08, 2013 02:45 PM (jucos)

162 Come to the Gulf Coast instead. Only 95 degrees here in the summer. Posted by: GnuBreed at October 08, 2013 06:43 PM sweaty and smashed is where I was aiming

Posted by: yankeefifth at October 08, 2013 02:45 PM (Z9EHQ)

163 We should go to Reno for a National Meet Up. Just so we can watch someone die...

Posted by: rickb223 at October 08, 2013 02:46 PM (h1D+w)

164

DIAF you sons of bitches, DIAF you assholes.

{sung in a most reverent tone, a chant if you will)

Posted by: Red Shirt at October 08, 2013 02:46 PM (J3fGN)

165 I tend to believe a guy who says "I didn't know this was wrong" when he does it right out in the open. When he takes efforts at concealment, then I'm not willing to believe he didn't know it was wrong. Was that wrong? Was I not supposed to do that? Posted by: George Costanza at October 08, 2013 06:44 PM how should I have known she was the bride?

Posted by: yankeefifth at October 08, 2013 02:47 PM (Z9EHQ)

166 Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (tablet) at October 08, 2013 06:34 PM (GaqMa)

Have any super glue?

Close the gash and put a thin layer of glue across it.

No fapping until it dries, otherwise you may have an interesting conversation with your wife and the firemen.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 08, 2013 02:47 PM (/kU/5)

167 And nothing will be done about it. Sigh.

Posted by: Y-not popping in for a sec on the phone at October 08, 2013 02:47 PM (5H6zj)

168 Anyone know anything about/been to Destin FL. for a vacation?

Posted by: Lincolntf at October 08, 2013 02:47 PM (ZshNr)

169 Vegas for a meet up? Go spend a bunch of money in the state that gives you the hairy pederast? No. And I don't support kommiewood by going to the movies either.

Posted by: nothinglefttolose at October 08, 2013 02:47 PM (J+V/o)

170 I'll go with Vic on this one. After all, he helped invent Latin. Holy shit, Vic is how old???? Posted by: EC at October 08, 2013 06:35 PM (nkuLy) ಠ_ಠ

Posted by: Oscans at October 08, 2013 02:48 PM (XvHmy)

171 >> sweaty and smashed is where I was aiming

I'm familiar with that particular protocol.

Posted by: GnuBreed at October 08, 2013 02:49 PM (wNF3N)

172 Ah, but, now we see The One shouting for us to get off our public lawns. Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 08, 2013 06:41 PM (IXrOn) As usual, he gets the cultural cue wrong, as he shouts "HEY, GET OFF YOUR LAWNS!"

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith [/i] [/b] [/s] [/u] at October 08, 2013 02:49 PM (qyfb5)

173 How old is Vic? His first phone number was 2.

Posted by: tofer732 at October 08, 2013 02:49 PM (6DkSW)

174 Mens Rea means "guilty mine"

Posted by: Vic at October 08, 2013 06:33 PM (zZbNF)

Holy shit!

Vic has a sense of humor!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 08, 2013 02:49 PM (/kU/5)

175 Dinosaur rape was a huge problem back in the day. Until Vic told them to knock that shit off.

Posted by: JackStraw at October 08, 2013 02:49 PM (g1DWB)

176 it's obvious the best place for a National Meet-Up is Denver CO

summa yew flatlanders might get nosebleeds, but it passes quickly

Posted by: Jones in CO at October 08, 2013 02:49 PM (8sCoq)

177 156 We should go to Reno for a National Meet Up. Why not Connecticut! We got hot babes! Like Linda McMahon! Plus "connect" is right in our name!

Posted by: Caliban at October 08, 2013 02:49 PM (2ArJQ)

178 or we could all hook up at Burning Man

Posted by: Jones in CO at October 08, 2013 02:50 PM (8sCoq)

179 Go spend a bunch of money in the state that gives you the hairy pederast?
No.
And I don't support kommiewood by going to the movies either.

Posted by: nothinglefttolose at October 08, 2013 06:47 PM (J+V/o)

Too bad, because you sound like you would be a blast......

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 08, 2013 02:50 PM (/kU/5)

180 According to Vic, the Ice Age was overrated.

Posted by: tofer732 at October 08, 2013 02:51 PM (6DkSW)

181 re national meetup in Vegas in the summer -- bad idea. Unless you like 117 degree days, it's kinda hot during July and August there. I went there one summer and Ho Lee Fuk was there too. Come to the Gulf Coast instead. Only 95 degrees here in the summer. Posted by: GnuBreed at October 08, 2013 06:43 PM (wNF3N) But it's a dry heat! Best times are late-April through May and late-September through early November.

Posted by: The Political Hat at October 08, 2013 02:51 PM (XvHmy)

182 Las Vegas sounds great BUT my wife gave me some grief for going to Hoboken alone, G-D knows what I would have to buy her to go to Las Vegas. Of course I could lie to her and say the Navy was sending me to San Diego, but .........

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 08, 2013 02:51 PM (1RQeV)

183 Good point about NV. We should go to Galveston or Corpus Christi.

Posted by: Truck Monkey, Gruntled New Business Owner at October 08, 2013 02:51 PM (jucos)

184 Can the Issa subpoena LL's emails to see who she "shared" the information? mitt got hosed by Hilary Rosen (?) whose 'wife' happened to work with Sandra Fluke.

Posted by: TheThinMan at October 08, 2013 02:51 PM (lV+2O)

185 She should be prosecuted, except there's no one with the will to do so.

And on a related note, remember when the press and Alaska Dems made a big f*cking deal about Sarah Palin doing some state business using her private email account, and then later, the press crowd-sourced combing through her email anything that could be used against her.

The hypocrisy, it burns.

Posted by: Lizzy at October 08, 2013 02:52 PM (JRmiD)

186 GnuBreed: "Come to the Gulf Coast instead. Only 95 degrees here in the summer."

But with 165% humidity.

Stay away from Houston in the summer. Or bring your own environment suit.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at October 08, 2013 02:52 PM (eHIJJ)

187 Been to Destin just recently, Lincolntf. Whatchoo wanna know?

Posted by: kartoffel at October 08, 2013 02:52 PM (oLCqQ)

188 I say we host a meet-up/filibuster in BelizeÂ…

Posted by: The Political Hat at October 08, 2013 02:53 PM (XvHmy)

189 Posted by: yankeefifth at October 08, 2013 06:44 PM (Z9EHQ)

Summer will be cheaper. And a lot hotter.

Are you thinking meetings, or just drunken debauchery? Or both?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 08, 2013 02:53 PM (/kU/5)

190 Anyone know anything about/been to Destin FL. for a vacation?

Posted by: Lincolntf at October 08, 2013 06:47 PM (ZshNr)

_________________________

Absolutely beautiful. Some of the best white sand beaches in the US.

Posted by: Truck Monkey, Gruntled New Business Owner at October 08, 2013 02:53 PM (jucos)

191 Could always try the gulf coast, nice weather and casinos too.

Posted by: tofer732 at October 08, 2013 02:53 PM (6DkSW)

192 I have no real preference for any national convention. for me the big question is shirt - on or off? Making it as easy as possible to get as many attendees as possible is primary.

Posted by: yankeefifth at October 08, 2013 02:53 PM (Z9EHQ)

193 And of course She will get a pass but if any of the Little People had done this, they would get many years behind bars. Yet more Government Class Crap.

Posted by: theBuckWheat at October 08, 2013 02:53 PM (nmcha)

194 Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 08, 2013 06:51 PM (1RQeV)

Just put your foot down.

And then run.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 08, 2013 02:54 PM (/kU/5)

195 177 Go spend a bunch of money in the state that gives you the hairy pederast? No. And I don't support kommiewood by going to the movies either. Posted by: nothinglefttolose at October 08, 2013 06:47 PM (J+V/o) Too bad, because you sound like you would be a blast...... Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 08, 2013 06:50 PM (/kU/5) I hope fyscal clyff and ken can come. They sure know how to have a good time.

Posted by: Buzzion at October 08, 2013 02:54 PM (fqxRO)

196 Are you thinking meetings, or just drunken debauchery? Or both? Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo both, simultaneously. but if we are only able to have one then drunken debauchery. we can have a meeting online.

Posted by: yankeefifth at October 08, 2013 02:54 PM (Z9EHQ)

197

@178 According to Vic, the Ice Age was overrated.

-------------

That was awfully cold of him.

Posted by: junior at October 08, 2013 02:55 PM (UWFpX)

198 Guilty Man would be Mens Vir or Mens Homo for Guilty Mankind.
Truth be told I just wanted to type Homo and seem smart doing it.

Howths you doin???

Posted by: B. Frank, Esquire at October 08, 2013 02:55 PM (g9Osd)

199 That's okay CBD, I don't consider hanging around folks who bitch about statists and then turn around and support em to be a fun hang. But you children have fun.

Posted by: nothinglefttolose at October 08, 2013 02:55 PM (pQdNP)

200 I really really hope this whole backbone experiment continues through 2014. I have this horrible vision of Pres Hillary as Gerald Ford saying that she was pardoning everyone, mistakes were made, what difference does it make and the nation should move on with her new program forcing city folk to wear uniforms and move to help out in the fields.

Posted by: Daybrother at October 08, 2013 02:55 PM (JMoPL)

201 Kartoffel, how would it be for an extended family beach vacation? We'd be in a big rental house, sleeps twelve, pool, palm trees, the whole nine, but not exactly on the beach, about a block away. Couple active seniors and a few grade/middle schoolers in the mix.

Posted by: Lincolntf at October 08, 2013 02:56 PM (ZshNr)

202 189 Could always try the gulf coast, nice weather and casinos too. Casinos in Connecticut too! Run by Injuns! Happy to take your scalp!

Posted by: Caliban at October 08, 2013 02:56 PM (2ArJQ)

203 I went to Scottsdale AZ in the Middle of Summer for a conference once. Was not so bad as long as you never got out of the pool

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 08, 2013 02:57 PM (1RQeV)

204 Thanks, CBD. I might just have to call a family meeting and propose the next vacay spot.

Posted by: Lincolntf at October 08, 2013 02:57 PM (ZshNr)

205

O/T...

MSN saying Eight Dem Congressmen arrested at the Immigration Ralley....

I would normally ask what for.... now I will just say.... well at least its a start...

Posted by: Romeo13 at October 08, 2013 02:57 PM (lZBBB)

206 If she didn't know that what she was doing was either contrary to policy or actually illegal -- then why did she have that fucking position in the IRS.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at October 08, 2013 02:57 PM (sj9LN)

207 But you children have fun.

Posted by: nothinglefttolose at October 08, 2013 06:55 PM (pQdNP)

We will.

I'll send you the DVD. And maybe even a t-shirt.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 08, 2013 02:57 PM (/kU/5)

208 Colorado has

spectacular scenery
int'l airport
concealed carry
fine weather, w/ low humidity

a few drawbacks: blizzards, hailstorms, tornadoes, high UV index, 40% less oxygen, free-roaming black bears and mountain lions, and the aforementioned low humidity will turn your skin to ash if you're not careful

Posted by: Jones in CO at October 08, 2013 02:57 PM (8sCoq)

209 I went to Scottsdale AZ in the Middle of Summer for a conference once. Was not so bad as long as you never got out of the pool Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 08, 2013 06:57 PM (1RQeV) Oh and everyone knows about shrinkage right?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 08, 2013 02:58 PM (1RQeV)

210 But with 165% humidity.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at October 08, 2013 06:52 PM (eHIJJ)

What are you using, 404Care math? It only goes to 100% humidity, of which we proudly use 95% of every summer.

Posted by: GnuBreed at October 08, 2013 02:58 PM (wNF3N)

211 Thanks, CBD. I might just have to call a family meeting and propose the next vacay spot.

Posted by: Lincolntf at October 08, 2013 06:57 PM (ZshNr)

This is YankeeFifth's baby. And it's a great idea.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 08, 2013 02:59 PM (/kU/5)

212 I'm shocked that career bureaucrats would violate a citizen's privacy for political purposes.

Posted by: Joe the Plumber at October 08, 2013 02:59 PM (HzhBE)

213 >Sorry, it isn't. Its either Vegas, Miami or New Orleans. Yes, they are tourist traps for a reason....its where the tourist go.

how about a city with a relatively low homicide rate

Posted by: Jones in CO at October 08, 2013 02:59 PM (8sCoq)

214 International Falls MN. That way if things get too hot stateside we can always swim across the Rainy River into Canada.

Posted by: Truck Monkey, Gruntled New Business Owner at October 08, 2013 02:59 PM (jucos)

215 Oh and everyone knows about shrinkage right? Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 08, 2013 06 you will find shrinkage is not such a problem if you are not wearing anything. no surpirse, everyone look more or less the same.

Posted by: yankeefifth at October 08, 2013 02:59 PM (Z9EHQ)

216 Good point about NV. We should go to Galveston or Corpus Christi.

Posted by: Truck Monkey, Gruntled New Business Owner at October 08, 2013 06:51 PM (jucos)

One big plus in favor of Vegas, is that you can get el-Cheapo airfare to there from damn near anywhere, and very often a non-stop flight to boot.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 08, 2013 03:00 PM (8Fl6F)

217
How old is Vic? His first phone number was 2.

His Social Security number is 1.

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at October 08, 2013 03:00 PM (0IhFx)

218 Just about perfect. The beaches are awesome, and there's a lot to do if you go into Destin proper. The city is touristy, but not Myrtle Beach bad. Hopefully your place is a good walk from the big highrise hotels, as there's a mass exodus out of those things every morning and the beachgoers will walk 500 yards in either direction and plop down right in front of you. We were between Destin and Panama City, so it was pretty quiet.

Posted by: kartoffel at October 08, 2013 03:00 PM (oLCqQ)

219 I'm shocked that career bureaucrats would violate a citizen's privacy for political purposes. Posted by: Joe the Plumber

That should have been the first clue...

Posted by: rickb223 at October 08, 2013 03:00 PM (d0Dmj)

220 #182 Mitt let himself get hosed by that fucking harridan by not stomping a mud hole in her fat ass after her cheap shots at his wife. Mitt the pussy turned into the second coming of Dukakis by leaving Ann to fight her own battles instead of making Rosen the topic of everything that came out of his mouth. By all means let's have another ambulatory mangina run in 2016.

Posted by: Captain Hate on his iPhone at October 08, 2013 03:00 PM (6s5sy)

221

Absolutely nothing will come of this. The fix is in. Why waste our time and money.

The obumbler stole the last election and the IRS abetted in the theft.

I am so cynical in my middle years.

Posted by: Andrew at October 08, 2013 03:00 PM (kzn4U)

222 171 How old is Vic? His first phone number was 2.

Posted by: tofer732 at October 08, 2013 06:49 PM (6DkSW)

And when Alexander Graham Bell Called? Vic invented "sorry, you reached the wrong number..."

Posted by: Romeo13 at October 08, 2013 03:00 PM (lZBBB)

223 how about a city with a relatively low homicide rate Posted by: Jones in CO at October 08, 2013 06:59 PM (8sCoq) Don't be silly, we use the high homicide rate to cover up the hobo hunt!

Posted by: The Political Hat at October 08, 2013 03:00 PM (XvHmy)

224 Yes, they are tourist traps for a reason....its where the tourist go.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at October 08, 2013 06:58 PM (OWjjx)

Funny how that works.

Hotels will be less in Vegas, but airfare will be more.

As crazy as this may sound...perhaps we could ask Ace if he has an opinion?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 08, 2013 03:01 PM (/kU/5)

225 Tumbrels and pikes.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars [/i] [/b] [/s] at October 08, 2013 03:01 PM (XvQlt)

226 The Congressmen who were arrested were just doing their civil disobedience "sit in" showboating. They'll use this as proof of their commitment to supporting immigration.

"The lawmakers Â— Reps. Joe Crowley, Raul Grijalva, Luis Gutierrez, Jan Schakowsky, Keith Ellison, Al Green, Charlie Rangel, and Lewis Â— were part of a group of more than 100 activists who conducted a peaceful sit-in blocking a street in the front of the Capitol, just feet away from the scene of last weekÂ’s shooting."

Posted by: Lizzy at October 08, 2013 03:01 PM (JRmiD)

227 Ooops!, sorry for the identity theft. I will Life lock myself.

Posted by: Lincolntf at October 08, 2013 03:01 PM (ZshNr)

228

Colorado has...
by: Jones in CO at October 08, 2013 06:57 PM (8sCoq)

Fine Sativa

Wacky Shack parties

Casa Bonita

Posted by: burmatar at October 08, 2013 03:02 PM (pRXgO)

229 As crazy as this may sound...perhaps we could ask Ace if he has an opinion? Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 08, 2013 07:01 PM (/kU/5) Is he picking up the check?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 08, 2013 03:02 PM (1RQeV)

230 Casa Bonita closed.

Posted by: Lizzy at October 08, 2013 03:02 PM (JRmiD)

231 International Falls MN. That way if things get too hot stateside we can always swim across the Rainy River into Canada. Posted by: Truck Monkey, Gruntled New Business Owner at October 08, 2013 06 I would enjoy that a lot, however, considering it is a moron thing I want to be where someone can hear me scream - not in some place where no one can hear me scream.

Posted by: yankeefifth at October 08, 2013 03:03 PM (Z9EHQ)

232 Is there a nastier word for Lois Lerner that doesn't involve the "c" word?

Hungry hogs and a pen, some assembly required.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at October 08, 2013 03:03 PM (lVPtV)

233 As crazy as this may sound...perhaps we could ask Ace if he has an opinion?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 08, 2013 07:01 PM (/kU/5)

Is he picking up the check?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 08, 2013 07:02 PM (1RQeV)

____________________________

I am NOT going to Brooklyn.......

Posted by: Truck Monkey, Gruntled New Business Owner at October 08, 2013 03:03 PM (jucos)

234 By all means let's have another ambulatory mangina run in 2016.

I'm bland, rested and ready.

Posted by: Jeb at October 08, 2013 03:03 PM (2DunM)

235 Hmmmmm....what to do? Perhaps history can offer us some hints.

Posted by: Georges Danton at October 08, 2013 03:04 PM (NCkFb)

236 Sure. Send em. The dvd is great for 30-40 yd. .22 target practice (shoot through the hole) and I can always use another gun rag.

Posted by: nothinglefttolose at October 08, 2013 03:04 PM (M7Cfv)

237 San Diego or Beaufort SC in July would be perfect for me

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 08, 2013 03:04 PM (1RQeV)

238 Little known fact.... Tammy Fae Baker was from International Falls.

Posted by: Truck Monkey, Gruntled New Business Owner at October 08, 2013 03:04 PM (jucos)

239 Mens Homo? They opened for a triple bill, the Communards the Smiths and A-ha

Posted by: Bigby's Bare Hands at October 08, 2013 03:05 PM (RLTt1)

240 Darrell Issa Meh Where's our Sam Ervin?

Posted by: Golfman in NC at October 08, 2013 03:05 PM (WaCPR)

241 >>>I say we host a meet-up/filibuster in BelizeÂ…

Let me tell ya, Belize ain't all it's cracked up to be.

Posted by: Mike Ehrmantraut at October 08, 2013 03:05 PM (VwxMb)

242 54 I'm on this story! Seriously. Posted by: Krystal Ball at October 08, 2013 06:23 PM (/1ATA) Wait! Wait! I know the answer to this one... You shall ball it, krystally. Amirite?

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars [/i] [/b] [/s] at October 08, 2013 03:05 PM (fRHUc)

243

230 Casa Bonita closed.

Posted by: Lizzy at October 08, 2013 07:02 PM (JRmiD)

Posted by: burmatar at October 08, 2013 03:06 PM (pRXgO)

244 we could also charter a yacht in the bahamas and after one or two of the original 50 sail back home we will have a great story to sell to oprah's network .

Posted by: yankeefifth at October 08, 2013 03:06 PM (Z9EHQ)

245 Get yer pitchforks here!!! Get yer Torches here!!

Posted by: Ye Old Street Vendor at October 08, 2013 03:06 PM (N3Al8)

246 I have officially proposed the Destin idea to the wife, the first line of defense, and got a positive reaction. It always comes down to who picks the place first, and we've never bothered to try. We just go. This year it's Destin or bust!! Or maybe next, next year because somebody else probably has a plan already.

Posted by: Lincolntf at October 08, 2013 03:06 PM (ZshNr)

247 Posted by: yankeefifth at October 08, 2013 07:03 PM (Z9EHQ)

Good point.

And a strike plate for your vest might help....

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 08, 2013 03:07 PM (/kU/5)

248 I am afraid ace would simply pick some skeevy place to spite us and not show up anyway.

Posted by: yankeefifth at October 08, 2013 03:07 PM (Z9EHQ)

249 Wow. I personally have been down this road before and I can tell her it won't end well. Lois, make a deal.

Posted by: Commissioner John Malcolm at October 08, 2013 03:07 PM (NCkFb)

250 GnuBreed@209,

I'm convinced Houston has the humidity of two cities. It's just that big. And humid.

I've been all over Texas (pretty much through every region except El Paso and the northernmost panhandle). Houston, by far, had the most oppressive weather. And downtown (and its suburbs) had that signature "oily" air residue like parts of NJ has riverstink. You just can't escape it.

As far as cities go, though, it has everything. But especially humidity.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at October 08, 2013 03:08 PM (eHIJJ)

251 And a strike plate for your vest might help.... Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo I am off - have to walk methlab. see y'all later on the on thread.

Posted by: yankeefifth at October 08, 2013 03:08 PM (Z9EHQ)

252 If the Republicans cave on this shut down, our next meeting might be at that work camp in Camden NJ?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at October 08, 2013 03:08 PM (1RQeV)

253 Well folks. Time for this old fart to call it a day. Have to get up early to run down all those links.

Posted by: Vic at October 08, 2013 03:08 PM (zZbNF)

254 If we're going to International Falls, it should be in January for the same reason you would pick Vegas in July/August.

Posted by: GnuBreed at October 08, 2013 03:09 PM (wNF3N)

255 Little known fact.... Tammy Fae Baker was from International Falls.

Posted by: Truck Monkey, Gruntled New Business Owner at October 08, 2013 07:04 PM (jucos)

Another little-known fact: The D9 that squashed Rachel Corrie; Israel bought it second-hand from Tammy Fae's cosmetician.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at October 08, 2013 03:09 PM (8Fl6F)

256 Bronko Nagurski was also from International Falls MN..... And both Rocky and Bullwinkle.

Posted by: Truck Monkey, Gruntled New Business Owner at October 08, 2013 03:09 PM (jucos)

257

All battering rams half off!! (that's what she said)

Posted by: Ye Old Street Vendor at October 08, 2013 03:10 PM (N3Al8)

258 257 Bronko Nagurski was also from International Falls MN..... And both Rocky and Bullwinkle. Posted by: Truck Monkey, Gruntled New Business Owner at October 08, 2013 07:09 PM (jucos) Sorry, but Moose und Squirrel were from Frostbite Falls.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars [/i] [/b] [/s] at October 08, 2013 03:11 PM (bmHOj)

259

Now what's this about Louis Lerner having the mensies?

Posted by: Warden at October 08, 2013 03:11 PM (HzhBE)

260 Lois Lerner
Runs the IRS
Nobody sterner
I must confess

She's Obama's butt love
And supports him fully
But tea partiers get the shove
She's a fucking bully

Posted by: Sphynx at October 08, 2013 03:15 PM (OZmbA)

261 What difference does it make?

No seriously, what difference does it make when Eric Holder runs the Justice department?

Posted by: Dr Spank at October 08, 2013 06:14 PM (9jLim)

Excellent point and thread winner as far as I am concerned. What will happen about this horrible scandal - nothing. (Seriously what could be more destructive to the United States as it used to exist than a politically vengeful IRS?)

Posted by: [/i] [/s] [/u] [/b] An Observation at October 08, 2013 03:15 PM (ylhEn)

262 Points
Laughs
at Ã˜-Merica....

Clowns.

Posted by: backhoe at October 08, 2013 03:17 PM (ULH4o)

263 OTapologies but I think I will drop this here.

Greta got a little beat up a few threads back. But tonight -- she was the only one on Fox -- to put the Vets vs. Amnesty Crowd 1st Amendment issue right out there. Discussed unfair treatment of vets, picking and choosing etc. Featured vets and Rumsfeld -- so good on her. And wrapped it in the ridiculous closing of America to Americans blanket. And I don't even watch her -- this was on the fly.

Posted by: gracepmc at October 08, 2013 03:18 PM (rznx3)

264 So Yellen will be officially nominated for the Fed Chair tomorrow. Apropos of nothing, Yellen is name of the Chief of Police in The Princess Bride. 'Oh, you mean this key...'

Posted by: Ragamuffin at October 08, 2013 03:19 PM (fzFF6)

265 What is the statue of limitations on her crimes?

Posted by: Tonic Dog at October 08, 2013 03:21 PM (X/+QT)

266 So, when does Lerner's criminal trial start? Seriously. If she doesn't stand trial, there is no point to our legal system.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at October 08, 2013 03:25 PM (/i3Yt)

267 Two words, JAIL TIME

Posted by: joe dagostino at October 08, 2013 03:26 PM (5vRRq)

268 So, are you, like legally blonde?

Posted by: Typical Libtard at October 08, 2013 03:29 PM (4Fyur)

269 They've weaponized science, philosophy and religion too.
They'll weaponize anything remotely malleable

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (tablet) at October 08, 2013 06:43 PM (GaqMa)

Except - interestingly enough - actual weapons.

Posted by: [/i] [/s] [/u] [/b] An Observation at October 08, 2013 03:35 PM (ylhEn)

270 If Lois Lerner does not go to prison, it will be a grave injustice.

Posted by: WannabeAnglican at October 08, 2013 03:43 PM (yKqpQ)

271 If Obama were an actual Communist attempting the takeover and destruction of the United States - please explain what he would be doing differently. 'Cause I got nothing.

Posted by: [/i] [/s] [/u] [/b] An Observation at October 08, 2013 03:46 PM (ylhEn)

272 But here now the mens rea, the guilty mind. Why does this illegal activity just happen to occur in private email, if not due to knowledge it is in fact illegal? ******************* Like fleeing the scene of an armed robbery at high speed, using private e-mail (especially when the use of private e-mail for such purposes is explicitly against the IRS rules and can get the employee in trouble) is clear evidence of consciousness of guilt. String them all up, and string them high. These corrupt employees must receive the most severe sentences possible, to serve as a warning to other "public servants" in the future that such abuses of the public's trust will not be tolerated.

Posted by: Trivial Pursuer at October 08, 2013 03:48 PM (/sohm)

273 Is there a good reason why this cunt hasn't been torn limb from limb by an angry mob yet? I'm only asking questions

Posted by: Lee Fang at October 08, 2013 03:49 PM (iyJHY)

274 So, actus rea:acting guilty, mens rea: guilty mind, ur rea:guilty as piss? Sha rea: guilty dude of undetermined natiionality/religion? Ko rea:guilty of too much soju? Me rea: guilty is what i call myself? Sorry, long fucking day. I lost my mind n cant find it

Posted by: fastfreefall at October 08, 2013 04:08 PM (Tz35j)

275 Where is the full blown investigation by the Republican- controlled House? Why aren't they hammering this every single day? Where are the arrests? Where are the charges being levied? Where is the new legislation that offers protections against political oppression by the state? Who would ever feel safe giving one penny to a Republican or Republican cause after all of this? Why isn't there a lawsuit on behalf of Ben Carson? This is absolutely outrageous! It's blatant tyranny!

Posted by: Mistress Overdone at October 08, 2013 04:10 PM (2/oBD)

276 We IRS revenue agents are constantly reminded not to use personal emails for taxpayer information. There's no way anyone who works for the IRS doesn't know about this policy.

Posted by: Elmer Stoup at October 08, 2013 04:54 PM (8xa8m)

277

um, isn't one of the tenets of FOIA law that ignorance of the law does not excuse noncompliance with it?

Anyone subject to FOIA is drilled in it as part of their orientation to the position.

Posted by: barbarausa at October 08, 2013 06:25 PM (WWeoI)

278 Hopefully the Statute of Limitations on these crimes extends beyond January 2016, when we will hopefully have a real government again. Actuallly, unless a person is under legal jeopardy, the Statute of Limitations does not begin to run, IIRC...

Posted by: Haiku Guy at October 09, 2013 03:28 AM (fgviU)

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