March 20, 2013

Michael Crichton on Politics as Religion
— Ace

Crichton's famous essay, "Environmentalism as Religion," noted that structural anthropologists found that, for whatever reason, very similar patterns of human thinking and social organization keep reappearing in different societies and for different purposes.

Although the essay, as the title indicates, discusses the many tropes and structures of religion (from pagan traditions to more modern Christian ones) appear in enviornmentalism, his general point can be broadened. Many see the government as essentially being their Mission (in the religious sense) and seek to perform Good Acts and to Spread the Word through their church.

The two closely-related areas especially amenable to cultification are The Environment (the Cult of Gaia) and Health (the Cult of Bodily Sanctity).

Read the whole thing, if you haven't, but here's an excerpt.

I studied anthropology in college, and one of the things I learned was
that certain human social structures always reappear. They can't be eliminated from society. One of those structures is religion. Today it is said we live in a secular society in which many people---the best people, the most enlightened people---do not believe in any religion.

But I think that you cannot eliminate religion from the psyche of mankind. If you suppress it in one form, it merely re-emerges in another form. You can not believe in God, but you still have to believe in something that gives meaning to your life, and shapes your sense of the world. Such a belief is religious.

Today, one of the most powerful religions in the Western World is environmentalism. Environmentalism seems to be the religion of choice for urban atheists. Why do I say it's a religion? Well, just look at the beliefs. If you look carefully, you see that environmentalism is in fact a perfect 21st century remapping of traditional Judeo-Christian beliefs and myths.

There's an initial Eden, a paradise, a state of grace and unity with nature, there's a fall from grace into a state of pollution as a result of eating from the tree of knowledge, and as a result of our actions there is a judgment day coming for us all. We are all energy sinners, doomed to die, unless we seek salvation, which is now called sustainability. Sustainability is salvation in the church of the
environment. Just as organic food is its communion, that pesticide-free wafer that the right people with the right beliefs, imbibe.

Eden, the fall of man, the loss of grace, the coming doomsday---these are deeply held mythic structures. They are profoundly conservative beliefs. They may even be hard-wired in the brain*, for all I know. I certainly don't want to talk anybody out of them, as I don't want to talk anybody out of a belief that Jesus Christ
is the son of God who rose from the dead. But the reason I don't want to talk anybody out of these beliefs is that I know that I can't talk anybody out of them.

These are not facts that can be argued.

These are issues of faith.

And so it is, sadly, with environmentalism. Increasingly it seems facts aren't necessary, because the tenets of environmentalism are all about belief. It's about whether you are going to be a sinner, or saved. Whether you are going to be one of the people on the side of salvation, or on the side of doom. Whether you are going to be one of us, or one of them.

Am I exaggerating to make a point? I am afraid not.

The asterisk * is there for some backstory on this idea of hard-wiring of a deep and unconscious preference for certain myths and social structures. Structural linguistics postulated that babies are hard-wired with a certain understanding of how grammar should work; there's a theory that babies simply aren't exposed to enough words and sentences to be able to deduce grammar based upon seeing patterns in so many sentences. Since they don't have the raw data necessary to understand grammar and language through pure deduction, it must be the case (this theory goes) that they come pre-loaded, if you will, with the basic Operating System of human speech already in their brains.

Structual anthropology took that idea and applied to, if you will, the "grammar" and "vocabulary" of social structures and myths, that babies might already come pre-loaded with certain tendencies of thought, beliefs rather than just mere words. (Note that religious people can join in this belief, while rejecting the biological reason structural anthropologists offer: They can (and often do) say that a basic belief in God is inherent in most people, due to the Holy Spirit's resonance.)

One more point: Cognitive theorist Jonathan Haidt says that all humans think in terms of six basic moral goods, and that liberals differ from conservatives primarily in how they prioritize those moral goods. For example, he says liberals rate the "sanctity/purity" moral good quite low, as compared to conservatives.

I don't believe that for a red-hot second. I think liberals rate purity/sancticy extremely high, but they counterfeit this belief to themselves, because they've been taught that sanctity/purity is an indulgence of the weak-minded religious types. But while they deny that impulse, they actually act upon it, directing their sanctity/purity impulses not towards sexual restraint (as a religious person might) but towards health of the environment and health of the body.

This is why they are, in strictly anthropological terms, so fucking annoying about everything and always shrieking about this Moral Panic or that.

There's an old put-down when someone's going on about sex negatively (whether on the right or left): That person just needs to get laid so the rest of us can move on with our lives without being bothered by these sorts.

A similar put-down -- which is actually even more true than the "laid" one -- applies here. These people need to get religion, or, more accurately, find something outside of government and politics to give meaning to their empty lives so they can finally spare the rest of us from the folly and malice of their misdirected religious impulses.

Posted by: Ace at 01:21 PM | Comments (376)
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1

"so screechy-shrill and fucking annoying."

Well, I don't recall that exact phrase ever coming up in Antho class, but it works...

Continue reading


Posted by: Jess1 at March 20, 2013 01:23 PM (lbiWb)

2 Damn shame the man has left us.

Posted by: Grumpy Cat at March 20, 2013 01:26 PM (j3uk1)

3 Liberalism is selfishness disguised as selflessness. Liberals hate everyone and resent everything. That's why they're annoying.

Posted by: The Mega Independent[/i] at March 20, 2013 01:26 PM (Lq5WC)

4 In any form, GOVERNMENT IS UNQUALIFIED TO DISTINGUISH BETWEEN GOOD AND EVIL.

A 'republican government' is designed to protect your individual rights, not your soul.

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“Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.”

- John Adams

Posted by: gastorgrab at March 20, 2013 01:28 PM (FX38i)

5 Thats why it was funny yesterday when the one time I recycled by putting out a years worth of pizza boxes, they blew away, and so did the city owned recycle bin. My kid asked if she should go find the bin and I laughed some more.

Posted by: Whatev at March 20, 2013 01:28 PM (A7Wh1)

6 Liberals hate everyone and resent everything. That's why they're annoying. Posted by: The Mega Independent at March 20, 2013 05:26 PM (Lq5WC) Well, plus they're stupid.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at March 20, 2013 01:28 PM (3+b6b)

7 When someone tells you it's for your own good and they just want to help you better yourself, something is about to go to hell.

Posted by: huerfano at March 20, 2013 01:29 PM (bAGA/)

8 This is why they are, in strictly anthropological terms, so fucking annoying about everything and always shrieking about this Moral Panic or that. Dicks and donuts*. You know that I'm right about this. *Short form d&d rant - if the government cannot tell me if I can put a dick in my mouth, the government cannot tell me if I can put a donut in it either. The intricacies of political theory truly do boil down to whether or not one accepts said premise.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at March 20, 2013 01:30 PM (VtjlW)

9 from an interview with Crichton Q: What is the most serious threat facing our civilisation? A: Loss of classical liberal values in those western societies that embraced them. England was the first modern state, the first superpower, the first nation to deal with moral issues around the world, and the first nation to install the benefits of what we might now loosely term a liberal society. I mean that in the 19th century sense of liberalism.  That notion of liberalism was also present in America, but made it to the Continent only in a pale and limited form.  It is a wonderful social conception that must be vigilantly guarded.  It is not shared by other nations in the world.  Nor is it shared by many citizens in English-speaking countries.  Peculiarly, many of our most educated citizens are least sympathetic to classical liberal ideals. Indeed the term 'liberalism' in the modern day has come to imply a constellation of attitudes that John Stuart Mill would not recognize as liberal at all.  Nor would, say, John F. Kennedy recognize them as liberal.  Kennedy's conception of liberalism was simultaneously more tolerant and more tough-minded: tolerant about varieties of behavior within the society, and tough-minded toward threats to a tolerant society from without. That's all gone, now.  Today there is far too much sensitivity within societies, and too little hard-nosed recognition of threats from without.  We are inclined to be intolerant of speech by our friends and neighbors, and tolerant of beheadings, rape, and homophobia in distant lands. This makes no sense.  But here we are.

Posted by: Grumpy Cat at March 20, 2013 01:30 PM (j3uk1)

10 Regarding the sanctity/purity thing -- he just needs to ask the right questions and it would be obvious.

Posted by: dantealiegri at March 20, 2013 01:30 PM (HXWlL)

11 Liberals are not so much big on sanctity as they are on sanctimony.

Posted by: logprof at March 20, 2013 01:31 PM (+iA5G)

12

#7,

"When someone tells you it's for your own good and they just want to help you better yourself, something is about to go to hell"

"We're from the Government and We're Here to Help" ring a bell?

Posted by: Jess1 at March 20, 2013 01:31 PM (lbiWb)

13 Sequester will spare duck genitalia study - but not WH tours http://preview.tinyurl.com/d44z9f8 (This study was funded with Stimulus dollars, to boot.)

Posted by: zsasz at March 20, 2013 01:32 PM (MMC8r)

14 ::: icks and donuts*. You know that I'm right about this. :::: They can have my donuts when they pry them from my cold, dead dick. And they can have my Timbits... Well, you know.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at March 20, 2013 01:32 PM (l+kmq)

15 Ace is thinking a lot lately about religious belief systems, and how  they  play out in real life. I am enjoying these essays.

Posted by: mama winger at March 20, 2013 01:32 PM (P6QsQ)

16 source for quote at 9 http://is.gd/qa5zgX

Posted by: Grumpy Cat at March 20, 2013 01:33 PM (j3uk1)

17

" if the government cannot tell me if I can put a dick in my mouth, the government cannot tell me if I can put a donut in it either"

 

Now that we're footing the bill we can tell you what and when to put in your mouth...

/lovingarmsofgovernment

Posted by: Jess1 at March 20, 2013 01:33 PM (lbiWb)

18 This is proof that God exists to me. The people who sneer at religion and consider themselves enlightened construct their own God and religion along with rules to live by in order to give their lives meaning and feel whole.

Posted by: L, elle at March 20, 2013 01:33 PM (cmekS)

19 Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.

And now we're going to force our people to be moral and religious. I forget what religion Adams was in exactly; I've heard Deist, Unitarian and Congregationalist. Either way it was whatever Harvard was preaching.

So Adams is getting his wish.

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at March 20, 2013 01:33 PM (QTHTd)

20 A state religion based on lies and omissions. Instead of priests, prevaricators. Instead of a promise of eternal life, affirmation of being a "good citizen." Instead of love your neighbor, hate the unbeliever. Instead of church, the news media.

Posted by: soothsayer, of the Righteous & Harmonious Fists at March 20, 2013 01:33 PM (3Aqe5)

21
The 10 Commandements:


1.  I am the Lord thy God.  Thou shalt not have other Preezys before me.

2.  Thou shalt only make graven images of me and download only my speeches on thine Ipod.

3.  Thou shalt not keep thy take home pay in vain.

4.  Remember Cloward-Piven and keep it holy.

5.  Honor thy State and The Party, that thy days may be long.

6.  Thou shalt not kill, except by drone strike and sequestration.

7.  Thou shalt not commit adulation except for me.

8.  Thou shalt steal in the name of restorative justice.

9.  Thou shalt not bear witness to any shortcomings of the Party or the administration.

10.  Thou shalt not foreclose on thy constiteunts house.

Posted by: Brack O'Bama at March 20, 2013 01:34 PM (nELVU)

22

Of course "enviromentalism" is a religion.

 

Non-believers are branded as heretics.

Carbon Credits are "dispensations".

Al Gore is considered a infallible Pope, supported by a hierarchy of scientists serving as Cardinals.

Simply believing in the dogma bestows enlightenment.

 

etc, etc....

Posted by: proudvastrightwingconspirator at March 20, 2013 01:34 PM (dkw5q)

23 R.I.P. Since I like people around me to believe true things (it helps my survival), and since I understand that you can lead a horse to water but you can't make her drink, the massive, truly massive, charity the learned doctor has for these students brings a tear to my eye. He, we all, would be better off cutting our losses and exterminating them now. Feed them to the hogs. Make bacon. Bacon is good. Massive charity. Thanks, Ace, for your excellent blog.

Posted by: Thorvald drinking good Scotch in broad daylight at March 20, 2013 01:34 PM (1V6Pv)

24 Speaking of religion I got something interesting in the mail from Natural Resources Defense Council, signed by Robert Redford. Greenies are upset about some Rio Tinto project in Bristol Bay Alaska. I don't know how they got my name but this is the stupidest shit I have ever recieved. I'm not a member, never heard of NRDC before yet I get a certificate of appreciation for my support with my FULL name written across it. BTW their operating budget fiscal 2010 is three million in the hole, but apparently it's not going to be as big as the hole in Alaska if I don't do something about it. I am slowly becoming a Captain America villain.

Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at March 20, 2013 01:35 PM (NzBQO)

25 >>>Ace is thinking a lot lately about religious belief systems, and how they play out in real life. I am enjoying these essays.

glad. it's obviously my hobbyhorse lately.  I'm glad others find it interesting.

Actually this stuff is like the Number 23, in that, you can take it too far. Once you start seeing it you start seeing it *maybe too much*, if you take my meaning.


Posted by: ace at March 20, 2013 01:35 PM (LCRYB)

26 Ace's threads, today, make a fine tapestry.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 20, 2013 01:35 PM (XYSwB)

27 BTW, I think that if Adams came back today and saw how this country had perverted what he believed, he'd drop dead in horror.

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at March 20, 2013 01:35 PM (QTHTd)

28 A state religion based on lies and omissions.

Please, tell me more.

Posted by: Henry VIII at March 20, 2013 01:35 PM (6TB1Z)

29 How does Purity of Body square with abortion? You can be pure of body by embracing the idea of ending life before it begins*? *their opinion on beginning of life, not mine

Posted by: BCochran1981 at March 20, 2013 01:35 PM (7D4cd)

30 Of course "enviromentalism" is a religion.

Is it to much to hope that we'll soon start seeing schisms and violence based on minor disagreements over pin-dancing angels?

Posted by: pep at March 20, 2013 01:36 PM (6TB1Z)

31 I am slowly becoming a Captain America villain.

Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at March 20, 2013 05:35 PM (NzBQO)



Defend us, Barack Obama!!!

Posted by: dum-dum at March 20, 2013 01:37 PM (+iA5G)

32

#20,

FWIW, that's classic "China" - the so called "mandarin state" post Confucius.

Posted by: Jess1 at March 20, 2013 01:37 PM (lbiWb)

33 29 How does Purity of Body square with abortion? You can be pure of body by embracing the idea of ending life before it begins*?



Because STFU, that's why.  Babies are punishments.

Posted by: King Baracka Vomitus I at March 20, 2013 01:37 PM (UOM48)

34 Interested parties should also absolutely read Crichton's address at Caltech titled "Aliens Cause Global Warming".

Archived by Anthony Watts' invariably valuable site:

http://tinyurl.com/32wsbzu

Posted by: torquewrench at March 20, 2013 01:37 PM (gqT4g)

35

Ace, job alert!!!

 

WaPost Seeks Blogger to Write 'at Least a Dozen Pieces' a Day

 

This is how we do it.  Infiltration of conservative and obviously hard working bloggers!!  Style section, but that's where we start.  Why not?  Best high heels to wear when shooting an AR 15??

Posted by: Prescient11 at March 20, 2013 01:37 PM (tVTLU)

36 Actually this stuff is like the Number 23, in that, you can take it too far. Once you start seeing it you start seeing it *maybe too much*, if you take my meaning.


Posted by: ace

***

 

Did you see that movie too? (23)

Posted by: Tilikum the Killer Assault Whale at March 20, 2013 01:37 PM (uhftQ)

37 Take over the Washington Post!!!

Posted by: Prescient11 at March 20, 2013 01:38 PM (tVTLU)

38 Once you start seeing it you start seeing it *maybe too much*, if you take my meaning.

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I don't think you can ever see too much of the truth.  And what you're writing is hitting a lot of it.

Posted by: mama winger at March 20, 2013 01:38 PM (P6QsQ)

39 Yep. Environmentalism is a religion. And we are the late-stage Roman pagans looking around in bewilderment as the ruling class installs a new religion and forces us to obey the rules and restrictions of their new cult.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 20, 2013 01:39 PM (ZPrif)

40 @35

I can think of no other thing that would induce me to resubscribe to the Post, but hey, I'm sure that paywall thing is gonna work out for them.

Posted by: pep at March 20, 2013 01:39 PM (6TB1Z)

41 >>>This is proof that God exists to me. The people who sneer at religion and consider themselves enlightened construct their own God and religion along with rules to live by in order to give their lives meaning and feel whole.

one can take it that way.  as a nonbeliever I take it to mean that people have strong inborn tendency to explain things according to god/gods.

Which is one reason I'm defensive of the religious.  Even though I don't think they're right, I do see like 85% of the population believing in God, gods, or god-like anthropomorphizations of abstractions like "the environment."

We all do it, for crying out loud.  I don't get the atheists' or the secularists' ego on this point.

Even I as a nonbeliever do it.  I've got my own pseudoreligion.  It doesn't make a lot of sense and it's mostly just  affirmations without proofs, but it gets me through.



Posted by: ace at March 20, 2013 01:39 PM (LCRYB)

42 Spirituality, even.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 20, 2013 01:40 PM (XYSwB)

43 Ace tell me you will host a give away or do shipping and handling via media mail and i will send you ten copies or the funds to get ten hard copies of "State of Fear" tomorrow......

I sent you a hundred bucks on PayPal I would be thrilled to send you more for that purpose.

Even an 1100 buck repair on my business car will not stop me from funding the Crichton giveaway.....

Crichton's death after he turned on evangelical leftism really reminds me of Breitbart's loss.

Had he lived I think Crichton would have killed the Goreon beast by now.

Posted by: sven10077-ArkLaTex travelogue and Researcher at March 20, 2013 01:40 PM (LRFds)

44 @29

easy, the fetus is invading them and threatening their health. Ever heard of morning sickness?

Posted by: RiverC at March 20, 2013 01:40 PM (El+h4)

45 I can't respect a religion whose version of the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse are fat, old, whiny white dudes too dumb to keep their conspiratorial emails secret.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at March 20, 2013 01:40 PM (+lsX1)

46 "Organic" food is the new kosher, or halal.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 20, 2013 01:40 PM (ZPrif)

47 Carbon credits are this century's version of the Papal Indulgences sold back in the time of Martin Luther.

Posted by: museisluse at March 20, 2013 01:40 PM (DGx2X)

48 Isn't Purity of the Body all part of that L'Andrew stuff? festival!

Posted by: Dr. Varno at March 20, 2013 01:41 PM (hEr50)

49

Interesting factoid:

 

I am reading W.S. Churchill's biography from Hillsdale, written by his son and a whole team (very dry, a lot of first person letters interspersed, I'm on Vol. I of V).

 

But he had quite an interesting habit to prepare himself for politics.  He read all of the parliamentary debates.  All of them.  From 1874 to the present.  Before he read the discussion of a particular issue, he wrote down his own thoughts and arguments on it.  Then he read the debate.  Then he refined his thoughts and rewrote his positions/arguments as he deemed it necessary or correct.

 

THIS.  IS.  PREPARATION.

 

You want to talk about gay marraige.  KNOW EVERY FUCKING ARGUMENT.  Same with abortion.  same with taxes.  same with the economy.

 

Every tricky issue should be subject to this exact type of scrutiny by every GOP politican in D.C.  A "messaging" and "rationale" school, if you will.

Posted by: Prescient11 at March 20, 2013 01:41 PM (tVTLU)

50 Recycling is a purity ritual. Or perhaps penance for past sins of pollution.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 20, 2013 01:41 PM (ZPrif)

51 46 "Organic" food is the new kosher, or halal. Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 20, 2013 05:40 PM (ZPrif) Free Range! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ErRHJlE4PGI

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 74% more DOOM! at March 20, 2013 01:41 PM (FsUAO)

52 not "1100 buck" rather "100$" goddamned keyboard...it is a lot like brokeback mountain...I just can't quit this beat up old Logitech G-15

Posted by: sven10077-ArkLaTex travelogue and Researcher at March 20, 2013 01:41 PM (LRFds)

53 #19 "So Adams is getting his wish."

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How do you come to that conclusion?

My point was that government is overstepping it's authority when it compelled any 'moral' outcome.  Such a mandate COULD be in conflict with a citizens own moral (religious) code, as in a State Religion.

The Islamists are a good example of what happens when a moral authority also becomes a legal authority.  You could go to jail for sinning.  Or worse.

Posted by: gastorgrab at March 20, 2013 01:42 PM (FX38i)

54 @34 This. This, too: http://preview.tinyurl.com/7urqrgb Tom Navy can make the bad science go away. Drum harder.

Posted by: Thorvald drinking good Scotch in broad daylight at March 20, 2013 01:42 PM (1V6Pv)

55 :::::"if the government cannot tell me if I can put a dick in my mouth, the government cannot tell me if I can put a donut in it either"::;;; And my administration will fight for your rights (ohGodtheredlipstickyes) to choose what goes in your mouth (noleavethebootsonleave'emon). That's The EoJ Difference.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at March 20, 2013 01:42 PM (l+kmq)

56 Al Gore is a televangelist. Preaching about the sins of carbon emissions while he lives in a 27 room mansion and emits about as much carbon as all of Uganda.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 20, 2013 01:42 PM (ZPrif)

57 @41

Even Nietzsche understood this. Seems like the left that supposedly embraced him doesn't (nor many who supposedly follow his philosophy.)

In short, most of us are hardwired for religious belief and certainly all of us are hardwired for meaning.

I myself cannot think of a time that I did not believe in God; though I certainly have had times of doubt.

Nietzsche actually already understood the left that came after him. He called them the last men.

Posted by: RiverC at March 20, 2013 01:43 PM (El+h4)

58

I have to confess, I liked the movie 23.

It had Jim Carey in it- not a comedy tho.

Posted by: Tilikum the Killer Assault Whale at March 20, 2013 01:43 PM (uhftQ)

59 You're a fucking nitwit. Not one moment in the history of the United States has been marked by the absence of influence of "government." It's true, you may not be afflicted specifically by "religion," but more like brain-damaged delusion, and a totalizing incapacity to acknowledge the contradiction of your own hysteria.

Posted by: andrew breitbart at March 20, 2013 01:43 PM (tt8wK)

60 I mentioned this series, once, way back when, but you should peruse it if you can, in your local bookstore if you have it. Saturated and concentrated, but lots of juicy stuff to ponder: The Masks of God, Vol. 1: Primitive Mythology The Masks of God, Vol. 2: Oriental Mythology The Masks of God, Vol. 3: Occidental Mythology The Masks of God, Vol. 4: Creative Mythology and other works by Joseph Campbell

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 20, 2013 01:44 PM (XYSwB)

61 Earth worship.  The Cult of the Body.  Nothing new under the sun.  You would think that at the very least the hipster generation could come up with something original.

Posted by: mama winger at March 20, 2013 01:44 PM (P6QsQ)

62 Oh, jeez.  The idiot troll rears his pathetic head.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 20, 2013 01:44 PM (UOM48)

63 I can see how lefties could get purity of the body to square with abortion. They call an unintended fetus a tumor, a growth. The abortion itself is purification.

Posted by: Jenny hates her phone at March 20, 2013 01:45 PM (Ti7xB)

64 Hash tt8wK has returned. The leftist fascist telling us how wrong we are. What a hoot.

Posted by: Tilikum the Killer Assault Whale at March 20, 2013 01:45 PM (uhftQ)

65 I don't even understand what erg means. I think he is positing that govt IS erg's religion. Thoughts?

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 74% more DOOM! at March 20, 2013 01:45 PM (FsUAO)

66 Interesting hash EoJ. Not as good as the prior one, but not bad. Which shade of red lipstick do you prefer?

Posted by: museisluse at March 20, 2013 01:45 PM (DGx2X)

67 Yeah I used to be in the environmental club in high school which was mostly made up of women. We would just pick up trash, plant trees, I usually got a NCMO session out of it, that was it. No indoctrination, no religion, nothing. It's crazy what it has become to some people.

Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at March 20, 2013 01:45 PM (NzBQO)

68 Only our retarded president can save you from yourselves.

Posted by: andrew breitbart at March 20, 2013 01:46 PM (AWl8t)

69 I am strangely freaked out about the number 23 enigma now. Thanks a lot.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at March 20, 2013 01:46 PM (RZ8pf)

70 @50

If done right recycling is just practical. I would agree that in places where it's unaffordable and not useful, it's stupid. But AFAIK, our county seems to do well with taking about half your non stained trash and recycling it.

Anyway, conservatives were into recycling before it was cool. Hand me down shoes, hand me down cars, reusing the plastic bag for cat poo, you know.

Posted by: RiverC at March 20, 2013 01:46 PM (El+h4)

71 "if the government cannot tell me if I can put a dick in my mouth, the government cannot tell me if I can put a donut in it either" Why choose? Care for a game of ring toss my Queen?

Posted by: BCochran1981 at March 20, 2013 01:46 PM (7D4cd)

72 Hail Mary Cloggenstein, full of grace...

Posted by: Typical Democrat at March 20, 2013 01:46 PM (YYJjz)

73 @51 LOL! The new sizzle-not-steak to sell! Bad. And the evil imp Bloomberg is the Chief Scribe of the New Pharisaism (since Chicago's city council relented on the foie gras ban).

Posted by: Thorvald drinking good Scotch in broad daylight at March 20, 2013 01:47 PM (1V6Pv)

74

#61,

That would require energy, effort, and thought. Otherwise known as "things in short supply these days".

Posted by: Jess1 at March 20, 2013 01:47 PM (lbiWb)

75 65 I don't even understand what erg means. I think he is positing that govt IS erg's religion.

Thoughts?



Erg has no idea what he means.  He's just here to get attention.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 20, 2013 01:47 PM (UOM48)

76 Not to put too fine a point on it Ace, but I think that attributing a religious construct to leftism's various agendas might be a bit of a reach.  I think you could make the case that it is more a form of tribalism, without the added supernatural aspect that religion invokes.  The tribe has its shamans (Algore), its totems (green recycling bins) and its "other" (the conservative tribe), to whom all evil is ascribed.  (Boooooosh!)  Leftism may be more about the perception of being part of the tribe than it is about 'worshiping' something greater than themselves.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon now 63/64ths less Irish at March 20, 2013 01:47 PM (pLvWv)

77 You would think that at the very least the hipster generation could come up with something original.

I think porkpie hats and bowling shirts on 20-somethings is pretty damn original. 

Posted by: pep at March 20, 2013 01:47 PM (6TB1Z)

78 Reminder....all trolls are average joe....

Posted by: BCochran1981 at March 20, 2013 01:48 PM (7D4cd)

79 Even I as a nonbeliever do it. I've got my own pseudoreligion. It doesn't make a lot of sense and it's mostly just affirmations without proofs, but it gets me through.



Posted by: ace at March 20, 2013 05:39 PM (LCRYB)


--Over Christmas my wife (as usual) got started on a conversation about religion.  My younger brother just shrugged and said, "I'm a Bootyist."

Posted by: logprof at March 20, 2013 01:48 PM (+iA5G)

80 According to the liberal left, Al Gore invented composting in 1989.

The Farmers all knew it was the same old shit though.

Posted by: gastorgrab at March 20, 2013 01:48 PM (FX38i)

81 The fact that they decided on a need to change the language from "Global Warming" to "Climate Change" shows how rocky their faith is deep down.

Posted by: Serious Cat at March 20, 2013 01:48 PM (UypUQ)

82 Ace took the red pill today

Posted by: Jean at March 20, 2013 01:48 PM (xBps2)

83 You would think that at the very least the hipster generation could come up with something original.

Posted by: mama winger at March 20, 2013 05:44 PM (P6QsQ)


----


You mean the same generation that brought us Fast and Furious VII and remakes of Tru Grit, Red Dawn, The Flinstones, and the Day the Earth Stood Still???

Posted by: fixerupper at March 20, 2013 01:48 PM (nELVU)

84 I used to be in the environmental club in high school which was mostly made up of women. We would just pick up trash, plant trees, I usually got a NCMO session out of it, that was it.

I have no idea what an NCMO session is, but if it has something to do with meeting girls, then we were on the same wavelength.

Posted by: pep at March 20, 2013 01:49 PM (6TB1Z)

85 Ace is thinking a lot lately about religious belief systems, and how they play out in real life. I am enjoying these essays.

Posted by: mama winger at March 20, 2013 05:32 PM (P6QsQ)

 

 

------------------------------------

 

 

I am also.  Some good shit.

Posted by: Soona at March 20, 2013 01:49 PM (uzR7E)

86 there's a theory that babies simply aren't exposed to enough words and sentences to be able to deduce grammar based upon seeing patterns in so many sentences. Since they don't have the raw data necessary to understand grammar and language through pure deduction, it must be the case (this theory goes) that they come pre-loaded, if you will, with the basic Operating System of human speech already in their brains. sounding very Nietzschesque - from his linguistic writings.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 20, 2013 01:49 PM (XYSwB)

87 derp,

Is that your superego talking or just a real volcano?

Once again derp doesn't understand what is being discussed so takes it into his cramped comfort zone.

Read a book, dolt.  I suggest Henri Levy-Strauss.  He started this theory. 

You do read books, right?  I don't mean Rachel Maddow books.  I mean real books.  Right?

Posted by: ace at March 20, 2013 01:49 PM (LCRYB)

88 you can't really separate the religious/tribal aspects. The purpose is the same -- to unite our group and separate it from the other hated groups, and to destroy and dominate the hated other.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 20, 2013 01:49 PM (ZPrif)

89 Museisluse, I likes the fire alarm red lipstick. And the toenails. "Tart 'em up!" I tells the missus.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at March 20, 2013 01:49 PM (l+kmq)

90 Our Lord and Savior, Barrack Obama, loves you in direct proportion to the size and weight of his wife's fat ass.

Posted by: andrew breitbart at March 20, 2013 01:49 PM (AWl8t)

91 "Religious zealotry" for green shit only covers a small part of the watermellon commies.  The main group are the commies who use it as an excuse for tax and spend.  The next group are the commie anarchists who just want to burn it down.  The trashcan group.

Posted by: Vic at March 20, 2013 01:49 PM (53z96)

92 62 Oh, jeez. The idiot troll rears his pathetic head.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 20, 2013 05:44 PM (UOM4


--At least it passed on mentioning cocaine.

Posted by: logprof at March 20, 2013 01:49 PM (+iA5G)

93

"If done right recycling is just practical"

Sure, if one is actually "recycling". Trouble is that this ritual is NOT recycling, but is just sorting - a task that used to be carried out downstream. Now we waste energy by washing out plastic bottles...

Posted by: Jess1 at March 20, 2013 01:49 PM (lbiWb)

94 Hope that Sequester is fucking you right up the ass, erg.

Posted by: zsasz at March 20, 2013 01:49 PM (MMC8r)

95 84 pep,

we called it "ecology club" when I was a kid...and yea we did verily purse the urge to merge.

Posted by: sven10077-ArkLaTex travelogue and Researcher at March 20, 2013 01:49 PM (LRFds)

96 4 In any form, GOVERNMENT IS UNQUALIFIED TO DISTINGUISH BETWEEN GOOD AND EVIL. More specifically, Government makes up its own rules on what is good and what is evil, according to its own bureaucratic “viewpoint”. Murder isn’t evil. It doesn’t have to be. Murder can be illegal without the government having to call it evil. People can agree on murder being illegal. Using an e-cig must be evil. Driving without a seatbelt must be evil. They can’t just be illegal, because people will not agree on them as worth being illegal. They need to be evil.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at March 20, 2013 01:49 PM (QF8uk)

97 "[Churchill] had quite an interesting habit to prepare himself for politics. He read all of the parliamentary debates. All of them. From 1874 to the present. Before he read the discussion of a particular issue, he wrote down his own thoughts and arguments on it. Then he read the debate. Then he refined his thoughts and rewrote his positions/arguments as he deemed it necessary or correct. THIS. IS. PREPARATION."

Except that we have Todd Akins instead of Winston Churchills.

So the Akin types prepare themselves to enter public debate by carefully refining their insane medieval nonsense to a fine pitch. Which, guess what, is no help at all.

Akin really honestly truly did believe that there are magical rape sperm detectors in women's vaginas. It wasn't a careless choice of words. He did not misspeak. That's what the dumb cluck really thought. He accurately communicated to the public. With a horrifying message.

So before making a fetish of preparation for public debate, it would be best to make step one instead be a familiarization with basic facts. And not 14th century basic facts, either.

Posted by: torquewrench at March 20, 2013 01:50 PM (gqT4g)

98 41 Nothing wrong with that there is.

Posted by: Yoda at March 20, 2013 01:50 PM (Ti7xB)

99 Christianity teaches that as part of our commitment to God, we are to be good stewards of the earth while exercising dominion over it and using its resources wisely so that the earth's resources can help us live productively.

  It seems to me that the environmentalists don't want to be good stewards .  They want the earth to have dominion over man instead of the other way around.  To them, the earth is superior to mankind, and if push comes to shove, the one is to be sacrificed for the other.  Earth is their god, and if need be, man must die for it.

Posted by: mama winger at March 20, 2013 01:50 PM (P6QsQ)

100

Well ace and other nonbelievers:

 

Once you understand that evolution is literally impossible and a laughable theory from a purely mathematical standpoint (see a mathemetician and physicist from Cambridge and Oxford (I think)), then where does that lead the thinking.  By the way, both of these professors are atheists as well.

 

In other words, evolution is as junk science as global warming (don't you dare give in to the switch and say climate change).  So if evolution is wrong, then what...

Posted by: Prescient11 at March 20, 2013 01:50 PM (tVTLU)

101 >>>Not to put too fine a point on it Ace, but I think that attributing a religious construct to leftism's various agendas might be a bit of a reach. I think you could make the case that it is more a form of tribalism, without the added supernatural aspect that religion invokes. The tribe has its shamans (Algore), its totems (green recycling bins)and its "other" (the conservative tribe), to whom all evil is ascribed. (Boooooosh!) Leftism may be more about the perception of being part of the tribe than it is about 'worshiping' something greater than themselves.

I don't see much of a distinction between this and tribalism, given that tribes will war over Whose Gods Are Stronger.

Posted by: ace at March 20, 2013 01:51 PM (LCRYB)

102 I don't even understand what erg means. I think he is positing that govt IS erg's religion.



Thoughts?



Erg has no idea what he means. He's just here to get attention.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 20, 2013 05:47 PM (UOM4


--I can only hope we'll get another thread by Ace that beings with the words "erg's an idiot."

Posted by: logprof at March 20, 2013 01:51 PM (+iA5G)

103 Your entire belief system is a short list of monstrous reifications: "the market," "the self-actualizing individual," "my experience is the general experience of everyone, everywhere, for all time."

Posted by: andrew breitbart at March 20, 2013 01:51 PM (tt8wK)

104 At least [Derp] passed on mentioning cocaine

He ran out just before posting here. That's why he's cranky.

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at March 20, 2013 01:51 PM (QTHTd)

105 Anyway, conservatives were into recycling before it was cool. Hand me down shoes, hand me down cars, reusing the plastic bag for cat poo, you know.

IOW, cheap.  Just like my dad who, thanks to his cheapness, will never need money from me in retirement, and instead is supporting lots of societal parasites even in retirement.  Who knew he was a leftist?

Posted by: pep at March 20, 2013 01:51 PM (6TB1Z)

106 Erg is the irritating nose hair that's just too short to grab and pluck.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at March 20, 2013 01:52 PM (l+kmq)

107 Any of you morons watching The Five?

High school kid invited Kate Upton to prom over the internet, and she accepted.


Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 20, 2013 01:52 PM (UOM48)

108 It's a good thing that Michael Chrichton never said anything bad about George Bush.

Posted by: andrew breitbart at March 20, 2013 01:52 PM (tt8wK)

109 106 EoJ,

my nose hair told me the other night, "enjoy me it may be the only hair you hhave along with those ear weirdos in another ten years"....

fun with hallucinogens....

Posted by: sven10077-ArkLaTex travelogue and Researcher at March 20, 2013 01:53 PM (LRFds)

110 THIS. IS. PREPARATION.

You want to talk about gay marraige. KNOW EVERY FUCKING ARGUMENT. Same with abortion. same with taxes. same with the economy.
Every tricky issue should be subject to this exact type of scrutiny by every GOP politican in D.C. A "messaging" and "rationale" school, if you will.
Posted by: Prescient11 at March 20, 2013 05:41 PM (tVTLU)

Yes, an excellent idea. And something that Reagan actually did a lot of when he was busy doing radio pieces and writing essays. He just made it seem like he was winging his responses later but he absolutely did know his policy details. A lot of modern conservative politicians would do well to emulate his complete example.

Posted by: Mætenloch at March 20, 2013 01:53 PM (pAlYe)

111
TL;DR.

I'll wait until this movie hits BitTorrent.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 20, 2013 01:53 PM (TIIx5)

112 derp,

what about "volcano=superego?"  What about that reification?

You're an idiot.  Your god is not strong.  Your god is stupid and weak.  That's why the stupid and weak chant to him.

The God of Derps.

Posted by: ace at March 20, 2013 01:53 PM (LCRYB)

113 Shorter erg:  "Boooooossh!!!111!!!!!!!"

*jazzhands*

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 20, 2013 01:53 PM (UOM48)

114 "If done right recycling is just practical"
Sure, if one is actually "recycling". Trouble is that this ritual is NOT recycling, but is just sorting - a task that used to be carried out downstream. Now we waste energy by washing out plastic bottles...

Posted by: Jess1 at March 20, 2013 05:49 PM (lbiWb)


But, as an added benefit, the kitchen smells better and the racoons don't come around the garage

Posted by: Serious Cat at March 20, 2013 01:53 PM (UypUQ)

115 108 Gerg,

he'd have plenty to say about Emperor Momjeans' "I can kikll anyone at anytime" doctrine too champ...

go play in fucking traffic

Posted by: sven10077-ArkLaTex travelogue and Researcher at March 20, 2013 01:53 PM (LRFds)

116 He who looks into the abyss realizes that there's nothing looking back at him, and the only thing he sees is his own character, ergie.

Do you understand, bud?  The abysss?

The shit abyss?

Posted by: Jim Lahey at March 20, 2013 01:54 PM (+iA5G)

117 eggmcmuffin gonna give us a lesson in reductionism or some shit, now? you talk like a 20yr old sophomore girl

Posted by: soothsayer, of the Righteous & Harmonious Fists at March 20, 2013 01:54 PM (Y4TdB)

118 Evolution isn't junk science. You sound stupid when you say that. Global warming and evolution are totally different. Global warming is based on weak ass computer modelling. We know the exact mechanism of evolution and can reproduce it in the lab. They aren't similar at all. Don't drag the rest of us into your loony ban and your "mathematical" proof of evolution's impossibility.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 20, 2013 01:54 PM (ZPrif)

119 112 Ace,

I'm in a crisis on "derp"....you can tell "derp" is a real meme.....

all the kids at my son's school with conservative parents use the hell out of it now...

too much IMHO

Posted by: sven10077-ArkLaTex travelogue and Researcher at March 20, 2013 01:54 PM (LRFds)

120 The fact that they decided on a need to change the language from "Global Warming" to "Climate Change" shows how rocky their faith is deep down.
Posted by: Serious Cat

It's why the left is so enamored with labels and relabeling.  They really think relabeling is important because it makes their bullshit a moving target.  They're constantly trying to cover their tracks of constant and utter failure.

Posted by: Dang at March 20, 2013 01:54 PM (R18D0)

121

109,

Er, Yikes.

Posted by: Jess1 at March 20, 2013 01:55 PM (lbiWb)

122 Erg is the irritating nose hair that's just too short to grab and pluck. That's why God made troll-sized vats of Nair.

Posted by: Grumpy Cat at March 20, 2013 01:55 PM (j3uk1)

123 OT/

Has anyone here read Amity Shales new book on Coolidge?  Is it interesting?

Posted by: Serious Cat at March 20, 2013 01:55 PM (UypUQ)

124

Torquewrench:

 

Exactly.  And what I forgot to mention was that the debate, at least on one side of the aisle, is so fucking pathetically stupid in most instances, would it be worth even reading the congressional record for our politicians?  Perhaps.  But what I do think would be good would be for candidates to read every speech by the other side's major candidates.  It would arm us to understand what nerves they are hitting and what they are saying.

 

I'm actually a huge fan of this.  What did Sun Tzu say:  Know not yourself and know your enemy, and you have already lost.  Know yourself and not your enemy, and you will lose many battles.  Know yourself and your enemy and you are prepared to fight.  (paraphrased I know, just read Art of War as well.  His comments on spies at the end of the book are very interesting).

Posted by: Prescient11 at March 20, 2013 01:55 PM (tVTLU)

125 No, leftism is definitely religious thinking. It's utopian, believing man and his works can be perfected, through the agencies of man, specifically the elites. All good comes from the State. There is no end but the State, the source of our benefits, the mechanism that will perfect us. There is nothing more powerful than the State, and the rights of Man are accorded from it. The State achieves moral ends-- 'fairness,' and 'equality.' Yada yada yada.

Posted by: zsasz at March 20, 2013 01:55 PM (MMC8r)

126 107 Any of you morons watching The Five?

High school kid invited Kate Upton to prom over the internet, and she accepted.


Posted by: Jane D'oh

He'll never make it.   He'll be a dry, shriveled husk before he ever gets there, IYKWIMAITYD.

Posted by: pep at March 20, 2013 01:55 PM (6TB1Z)

127 If done right recycling is just practical"
Sure, if one is actually "recycling". Trouble is that this ritual is NOT recycling, but is just sorting - a task that used to be carried out downstream. Now we waste energy by washing out plastic bottles...

Posted by: Jess1 at March 20, 2013 05:49 PM (lbiWb)



They used to make us do that shit here (yes even in SC).  We had to sort out the "recyclables " and put them in separate containers.  Food trash went into special yellow bags you had to buy at the store.  Supposedly that was to discourage not recycling.



People hated it because the bags were cheap shit.  Everyone complained at council meetings contiuously. So they agreed to do away with the bags and only have bins for metal, aluminum, and other.  The metal and aluminum were the only things they had actually been recycling.  The other stuff just went into the land fill just like the old days.


But low they had to have a tax hike to make up for loss of the "yellow bag" money.  So we found the real reason for the recycling, money. 



This is always the case for government controlled green shit.

Posted by: Vic at March 20, 2013 01:55 PM (53z96)

128 Murder is illegal because it deprives the victim of his natural rights (to exist), not because it's evil.

THAT is the proper function of government.  The first amendment respects our right to fill in the details.  We have the natural right of self-determination, and that right is enumerated in the constitutional right to choose our own system of Good and Evil.

Even Atheists have a system of Good and Evil that they follow. (They just don't buy off the rack.)

Posted by: gastorgrab at March 20, 2013 01:56 PM (FX38i)

129 Has anyone here read Amity Shales new book on Coolidge? Is it interesting?

Interesting?  Not really, but like the man himself, there is value in sticking with something just because it's the right thing to do and it's good for you.  Really.

Posted by: pep at March 20, 2013 01:56 PM (6TB1Z)

130 121 Jess1,

40 is the new 40...

I didn't need to take chemicals to hear inner voices I just needed to be awake 49 hours.

Posted by: sven10077-ArkLaTex travelogue and Researcher at March 20, 2013 01:56 PM (LRFds)

131 "...a totalizing incapacity to acknowledge the contradiction of your own hysteria..." Chomskybot? That is some world class gibberish.

Posted by: Beagle at March 20, 2013 01:56 PM (+wV7d)

132 @Ace "Structual anthropology took that idea and applied to, if you will, the 'grammar' and 'vocabulary' of social structures and myths, that babies might already come pre-loaded with certain tendencies of thought, beliefs rather than just mere words. (Note that religious people can join in this belief, while rejecting the biological reason structural anthropologists offer: They can (and often do) say that a basic belief in God is inherent in most people, due to the Holy Spirit's resonance.)" Actually, Christians need not reject that idea. Pascal called man "a beast with an angel inside" (also famously noting a "God-sized vacuum") and he was just following ancient Christian tradition. The idea that the wiring of our brains corresponds with the "shape" of our souls is entirely in line with orthodox Christian theology. A Christian might add, though, that strict materialism (in this case, expressed in biologically deterministic terms) tends to break down at a theory of knowledge and that any deterministic model has difficulty (to say the least) in then explaining how our mental processes reveal truth. The Christian might then elaborate (as C. S. Lewis did) that since our passions and appetites correspond to a desire for externally real things (hunger for food, thirst for water, longing for love, etc.), our desire for something greater than and transcendent to ourselves--something not of this world--implies there must be something to fulfill it. Of course, there are many complex arguments and counter-arguments that can be made in that debate, but it's not anything that should greatly disturb a Christian.

Posted by: David Marcoe at March 20, 2013 01:56 PM (5I0mE)

133 (Note that religious people can join in this belief, while rejecting the biological reason structural anthropologists offer: They can (and often do) say that a basic belief in God is inherent in most people, due to the Holy Spirit's resonance.)

Nice piece Ace but I think most (intelligent) religious people would not reject the biology but surmise that it is the mechanism by which the Holy Spirit resonates.

Posted by: pashmr at March 20, 2013 01:57 PM (3aNC4)

134 Consumer level recycling is retarded. It wastes more energy than it saves. And that's before you even consider the millions of hours of free manpower the citizens are dragooned into. When it makes sense to recycle the market will recycle. No need to mandate it. Also -- fuck the eco-left.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 20, 2013 01:57 PM (ZPrif)

135 Like no one around here ever had anything bad to say about Bush. Sheesh.

Posted by: zsasz at March 20, 2013 01:57 PM (MMC8r)

136 hey can anyone figure out what this piece of music is?  Hint, it's classical.

derp. derp derp. derp, derp derp, derp derp derp derp.

derp. derp derp. derp derp derp derp derp derp.

Posted by: ace at March 20, 2013 01:57 PM (LCRYB)

137 HA! That title would look awesome on a book with erupting volcano cover art. T H E G O D O F D E R P S

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at March 20, 2013 01:57 PM (l+kmq)

138 >>>The asterisk * is there for some backstory on this idea of hard-wiring of a deep and unconscious preference for certain myths and social structures That's because the nature of reality is a platonic hologram illumining the iconic structures of myth that exist in perpetuity outside of time and space.

Posted by: Max Power at March 20, 2013 01:58 PM (q177U)

139 ....tribes will war over Whose Gods Are Stronger.

*****

Always have, always will.
The Global Warmingists are perhaps the most zealous with their dogma that you should die for not believing and should die in general.

Posted by: The Generic, Award Winning Moron at March 20, 2013 01:58 PM (+I8Mq)

140 Has anyone here read Amity Shales new book on Coolidge? Is it interesting?

Interesting? Not really, but like the man himself, there is value in sticking with something just because it's the right thing to do and it's good for you. Really.

Posted by: pep at March 20, 2013 05:56 PM (6TB1Z)


Someone commented on it in one of the recent Sunday book threads.  They said it was good.

Posted by: Vic at March 20, 2013 01:58 PM (53z96)

141 Once you understand that evolution is literally impossible and a laughable theory from a purely mathematical standpoint (see a mathemetician and physicist from Cambridge and Oxford (I think)),

When you start out by not being able to name your exact source, you fail.

When you start out by assuming the proposition you've no intention of backing up properly, you fail.

Hey, maybe your theory is correct. But you fail. What you're selling, I'm not buying.

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at March 20, 2013 01:59 PM (QTHTd)

142 136 Zsasz,

the worst thing I can say about Bush is he was bad enough to still be better than the last two communists the left ran....

McCain and Romney were both better than Choom IMHO but "Ebonyish Democratonium" shielding means God would have a hard time beating the Choom King

Posted by: sven10077-ArkLaTex travelogue and Researcher at March 20, 2013 01:59 PM (LRFds)

143 If there is no God,  then why are we constructed so that absent belief in him,  we create him?

What evolutionary reason would there be for an inborn desire for God?

"We are fearfully and wonderfully made."

Posted by: Miss Marple at March 20, 2013 01:59 PM (GoIUi)

144

Maetenloch:   I didn't know that, there's a reason these guys were the best!!  But you knew Reagan knew his crap just by listening to his radio addresses.  Pure genius.

 

Flatbush Joe:

 

Let me rephrase.  Species evolution is complete junk science.  Totally.  You cannot reproduce it in a lab.

 

It has often been said in literature that the eye is the window to the soul.  How true that turned out.  You see, for eyesight to occur, roughly 250 microbiological things must happen instantaneously.  The odds of "evolving" into something like that are so astronomical it literally is laughable.  After all, we've only been here 4 billion years allegedly.

 

Now it is true that certain species can lose their eyes/eyesight, like the cave dwelling creatures or us with our gall bladder.  That kind of "evolution" I do not dispute.  I would call that atrophical evolution.

Posted by: Prescient11 at March 20, 2013 01:59 PM (tVTLU)

145 There is no determinism, linguistic or otherwise. No predisposition. You're born and it's uphill or downhill in any avenue depending on who your parents are, and (and this is really, truly subversive) their relationship. Nuclear family? Likely citizen. Not? meh, I don't take odds like that. It's trivial whether you read "Heather's Two Mommies" or the Bible, if they're young enough. The human brain develops into our 20's. That's why I can text my kids in Latin. Religion? You and God, baby. You and God. It's an Infinite thing.

Posted by: Thorvald drinking good Scotch in broad daylight at March 20, 2013 01:59 PM (1V6Pv)

146 137 hey can anyone figure out what this piece of music is? Hint, it's classical.

derp. derp derp. derp, derp derp, derp derp derp derp.

derp. derp derp. derp derp derp derp derp derp.

Posted by: ace at March 20, 2013 05:57 PM (LCRYB)


--Eine Kleine Derppmusik?

Posted by: logprof at March 20, 2013 02:00 PM (+iA5G)

147 I don't believe that for a red-hot second. I think liberals rate purity/sancticy extremely high, but they counterfeit this belief to themselves, because they've been taught that sanctity/purity is an indulgence of the weak-minded religious types. But while they deny that impulse, they actually act upon it, directing their sanctity/purity impulses not towards sexual restraint (as a religious person might) but towards health of the environment and health of the body. Yes, this is very obvious to me in ultra liberals that I know. Deflection. Maybe not exactly with the examples you give (environment, yea, but I still observe glaring hypocrisies), but body and health? If you look at extremes, I suppose. Sexual promiscuity, at extremes, too. But, I've been a jock'ette all my life, and love the feeling, and loved team sports, the friends. I don't believe it was in any way a deflection. And, I care what I eat. It feels good. Anyway, hubby tugging on me to join him. Good piece. Wish I could indulge some more.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 20, 2013 02:00 PM (XYSwB)

148 logprof,

Correct!


Posted by: ace at March 20, 2013 02:00 PM (LCRYB)

149 Someone commented on it in one of the recent Sunday book threads. They said it was good.

It is good, but it isn't Mickey Spillane. 

Posted by: pep at March 20, 2013 02:00 PM (6TB1Z)

150

#131...

"Snort".

Heh.

Posted by: Jess1 at March 20, 2013 02:00 PM (lbiWb)

151 I don't see much of a distinction between this and tribalism, given that tribes will war over Whose Gods Are Stronger.

Posted by: ace at March 20, 2013 05:51 PM (LCRYB)

 

*****

 

Like I said- not to put too fine a point on it.  I guess I make a distinction in the two when it comes to a supernatural "explanation" or unifying theory.  That "giant mystery" that gives a broader meaning to existence.  Tribes are more about survival in the here and now.  Religion ponders the hereafter as well.

 

Maybe it's just an extension of the tribe.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon now 63/64ths less Irish at March 20, 2013 02:00 PM (pLvWv)

152 theme from Pink Panther

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at March 20, 2013 02:00 PM (RZ8pf)

153 That's because the nature of reality is a platonic hologram illumining the iconic structures of myth that exist in perpetuity outside of time and space. ItÂ’s all about the arrows of organicism!

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at March 20, 2013 02:00 PM (QF8uk)

154 Beethoven's 5th? Stairway To Heaven?

Posted by: soothsayer, of the Righteous & Harmonious Fists at March 20, 2013 02:00 PM (KeJAW)

155 OT The idea of a one-off wealth tax, however, is not new... What astonishes me is that such an important and extreme move is risked for such a modest prize. The slow realisation that confiscating our money will be the next move in the debt crisis has been made very acute by this blatant move. The most important game changer in years and the most frightening tool in the tool box has been pulled out in the open for a mere USD 5.8 billion. The impact could trigger massive asset capital flows and asset devaluations to the tune of hundreds of billions. The loss of trust will be detrimental to all weak economies. Why on earth did the Troika not save this shocker for a substantial occasion, say a bailout of Spain or Italy? Incompetence? Lack of market understanding? Or even more frighteningly - perhaps because of a wish to introduce this new tax tool to get the voter populations used to new ideas for milking the rich in the future? from blog of Saxo Bank CEO http://www.tradingfloor.com/posts/cyprus-learnt-345751616

Posted by: Grumpy Cat at March 20, 2013 02:01 PM (j3uk1)

156 145 Maetenloch: I didn't know that, there's a reason these guys were the best!! But you knew Reagan knew his crap just by listening to his radio addresses. Pure genius.

Flatbush Joe:

Let me rephrase. Species evolution is complete junk science. Totally. You cannot reproduce it in a lab.

It has often been said in literature that the eye is the window to the soul. How true that turned out. You see, for eyesight to occur, roughly 250 microbiological things must happen instantaneously. The odds of "evolving" into something like that are so astronomical it literally is laughable. After all, we've only been here 4 billion years allegedly.

Now it is true that certain species can lose their eyes/eyesight, like the cave dwelling creatures or us with our gall bladder. That kind of "evolution" I do not dispute. I would call that atrophical evolution.

Posted by: Prescient11 at March 20, 2013 05:59 PM (tVTLU)


--Species evolution is BS?  How did Man's Best Friend come from wolves, then?

Posted by: logprof at March 20, 2013 02:01 PM (+iA5G)

157 Actually, Jilia Kristeva the Mary Douglas. We're all "environmentalists," because everyone has a general agreement about the things in life which must undergo necessary abjection; like dirt, like shit. Unless you are ace, who still gargles with his mother's piss every morning in order to maintain a metaphorical union with her body.

Posted by: andrew breitbart at March 20, 2013 02:02 PM (tt8wK)

158 Close Encounters theme? Dukes of Hazzard ballard?

Posted by: soothsayer, of the Righteous & Harmonious Fists at March 20, 2013 02:02 PM (LVtr+)

159 >>> But, I've been a jock'ette all my life, and love the feeling, and loved team sports, the friends. I don't believe it was in any way a deflection. And, I care what I eat. It feels good.

I don't mean that at all.  Obviously healthy > non healthy.

I mean the priests who have installed themselves in the Contra Costa city council who've decided they have to ban ecigs to let the Followers know that smoking is bad, mmkay?

Posted by: ace at March 20, 2013 02:02 PM (LCRYB)

160 Stairway To Heaven? Could be the Butthole Surfer's "Hairway to Stephen."

Posted by: Grumpy Cat at March 20, 2013 02:02 PM (j3uk1)

161 I don't recycle my trash.  I don't separate a thing. It all goes in, altogether, into hefty bags and out to the curb willy nilly.  People are aghast when I say I don't sort my trash.  It's like confessing to being a bank robber, but with added shame.

Posted by: mama winger at March 20, 2013 02:02 PM (P6QsQ)

162

"How did Man's Best Friend come from wolves, then?"

Bacon came from wolves? How did I miss this?

Posted by: Jess1 at March 20, 2013 02:02 PM (lbiWb)

163 hey can anyone figure out what this piece of music is? Hint, it's classical.

derp. derp derp. derp, derp derp, derp derp derp derp.

derp. derp derp. derp derp derp derp derp derp.

***

Vivaldi's Concerto for Derp?

Posted by: WalrusRex at March 20, 2013 02:02 PM (Hx5uv)

164 149 logprof,

Correct!


Posted by: ace at March 20, 2013 06:00 PM (LCRYB)


--I think David Derppman will be conducting a performance of that at the Kennedy Center next week.

Posted by: logprof at March 20, 2013 02:03 PM (+iA5G)

165 'God hates CO2.'

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at March 20, 2013 02:03 PM (GHpOB)

166 Ace, erg/derp is trash-talkin' your mom down.  That ought to be a banhammer.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 20, 2013 02:03 PM (UOM48)

167 'God hates Capitalists.'

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at March 20, 2013 02:03 PM (GHpOB)

168 15 Ace is thinking a lot lately about religious belief systems, and how they play out in real life. I am enjoying these essays. Posted by: mama winger at March 20, 2013 05:32 PM (P6QsQ) It's hard to be honest with yourself, look at what is going on in the world and not think, even if you are not particularly religious, that there is an evil loose. Call it what you will, but I call it evil. 108 ...and retarded.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at March 20, 2013 02:03 PM (8HlS8)

169 'God hates Conservatives.'

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at March 20, 2013 02:03 PM (GHpOB)

170 as logprof said, it was supposed to be Wolfgang Amaderpus Mozart's A Little Derp-Music.


Posted by: ace at March 20, 2013 02:03 PM (LCRYB)

171

Boulder toilet,

 

Give me a fucking break, I'm at work and doing other shit right now.  I do remember that they were going to do a presentation at Wash U in St. Louis as to how ridiculous random evolution from raw matter to mankind would be, so infinitescimal that it is laughable.  And they were both avowed atheists.

 

Basically, the abstract of the discussion was that people could believe we were created by aliens, a flying spaghetti monster, God, whatever, but the idea that we, in our current form, somehow evolved to that state in merely 4 billion years is beyond laughable.  I'll try to find you a link to these guys.

 

But does anyone else question, that we have gone from using stone implements to splitting the fucking atom in just 10,000 years of recorded human history.  I mean, what the fuck, and most of this occurring in the last 1000 years. 

 

That's aaaawwwwffffullllllyyyyy convenient, dontcha think?

Posted by: Prescient11 at March 20, 2013 02:03 PM (tVTLU)

172 Ace, you occasionally rant against tribalism. But I'd argue that human beings are inherently tribal. And trying to get rid of tribalism is a utopian dream. The best that can be done is redirect our tribal impulses in the most positive or at least, least harmful manner. Team sports are a good example of redirecting the tribal impulse. But trying to eradicate that impulse is an impossible feat.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 20, 2013 02:03 PM (ZPrif)

173 Don't know who typed "down" in that post.  Sheeesh.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 20, 2013 02:03 PM (UOM48)

174 'God hates Christians.'

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at March 20, 2013 02:03 PM (GHpOB)

175 Handel's Derp-siah?

Posted by: zsasz at March 20, 2013 02:03 PM (MMC8r)

176 'God loves Socialism.'

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at March 20, 2013 02:04 PM (GHpOB)

177 Tribalism in place of State Religion?

We could throw institutionalized racism into the mix.  It's nothing more than 'Racial Collectivism'.  You sincerely BELIEVE that your team is superior, and you do everything in your power to make sure your team has every advantage over all others (usually at the expense of all others).

It's all the same thing.

Posted by: gastorgrab at March 20, 2013 02:04 PM (FX38i)

178 Way OT, but I just got home and saw the news from Obama in Israel.
 
1.  Presidential Limo breaks down; gas tank filled with diesel.  Limo not diesel.   Advance Limo flown back from Jordan to Israel.   Presidential Limo 1 flown back to US for repairs.
 
2.  Obama gives Israel a magnolia tree, which is ceremoniously planted.   No one thought to clear this with the Japanese Agriculture Ministry.  Digging it up now.
 
I don't care about the facts as much as the image it sends on the international stage:  WE SUCK.

Posted by: Joe Theisman's Prostate at March 20, 2013 02:04 PM (HqXYa)

179 These people need to get religion, ... Or, find a spiritual high, maybe not "religion," per se. Same as flow (mental state). both = personal bliss but, to each his own

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at March 20, 2013 02:04 PM (XYSwB)

180 ---- We're all "environmentalists," because everyone has a general agreement about the things in life which must undergo necessary abjection; hahaha, more sophomoric claptrap you sound like a twit!

Posted by: soothsayer, of the Righteous & Harmonious Fists at March 20, 2013 02:04 PM (vanqS)

181 169 MUMR,

God hates well insert demon "x'...

hey you should check out Allen G's non blog...

we may be getting something off the ground soon...

Posted by: sven10077-ArkLaTex travelogue and Researcher at March 20, 2013 02:04 PM (LRFds)

182 http://newsbusters.org/blogs/ noel-sheppard/2013/03/20/ ted-turners-son-cnn-so-far-left-i-mostly-watch-fox

et tu?

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at March 20, 2013 02:04 PM (QTHTd)

183 I have no idea what an NCMO session is, but if it has something to do with meeting girls, then we were on the same wavelength.

Posted by: pep at March 20, 2013 05:49 PM (6TB1Z)


Non-Committal Make Out session.

Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at March 20, 2013 02:05 PM (NzBQO)

184 soothsayer, derp's the biggest tw*t on the blog

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at March 20, 2013 02:05 PM (QTHTd)

185 @145 Someone said that if we had to depend on probability for our current status (recall that when we multiply a probability by a probability, which are always less than or equal to 1, we get a still smaller probability), it's more reasonable to believe in Creation. Unless your dogma requires it, and you live in a place where they'll slice off your clitoris for non-compliance. Cuz it ain't your body and God's, after all, equal partners.)

Posted by: Thorvald drinking good Scotch in broad daylight at March 20, 2013 02:05 PM (1V6Pv)

186
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xm4sLLS79LA


copy and paste for the answer to Aces Derp song.....

Posted by: fixerupper at March 20, 2013 02:05 PM (nELVU)

187 Barky gave F. Chuck Todd the ol' middle finger today.  His classy "pretending to scratch my face" move.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 20, 2013 02:05 PM (UOM48)

188 hey can anyone figure out what this piece of music is? Hint, it's classical.

derp. derp derp. derp, derp derp, derp derp derp derp.

derp. derp derp. derp derp derp derp derp derp.

Posted by: ace at March 20, 2013 05:57 PM (LCRYB)

♫ -- ♫ ♫ -- ♫ - ♫ ♫ - ♫ ♫ ♫ ♫.

♫ -- ♫ ♫ -- ♫ ♫ ♫ ♫ ♫ ♫.

Posted by: Serious Cat at March 20, 2013 02:05 PM (UypUQ)

189 When someone tells you it's for your own good and they just want to help you better yourself, something is about to go to hell. Im a just world, it woyld be them.

Posted by: rickb223 at March 20, 2013 02:05 PM (F0bki)

190 Let me rephrase. Species evolution is complete junk science. Totally. You cannot reproduce it in a lab.

It has often been said in literature that the eye is the window to the soul. How true that turned out. You see, for eyesight to occur, roughly 250 microbiological things must happen instantaneously. ....
 Posted by: Prescient11 at March 20, 2013 05:59 PM

***

On top of that, new species are "suddenly appearing" in places that are inhabited both long enough and densely enough that the likely hood of these critters being overlooked is fantastically small.

Posted by: The Generic, Award Winning Moron at March 20, 2013 02:06 PM (+I8Mq)

191 Is Yo-Yo Derp the featured soloist?

Posted by: dantesed at March 20, 2013 02:06 PM (k16bb)

192 Derp-derp-derp
Derp-derp-derp derrp deeeeerrrrrrrp
Derp-derp-derp
Derp-derp-derp derrp

Posted by: Tocatta and Fugue in Derp Minor at March 20, 2013 02:06 PM (+iA5G)

193 It's not a new observation that Marxism is intended to replace traditional religion, but I like how Crichton phrases things.

Posted by: Ian S. at March 20, 2013 02:06 PM (OevbG)

194 174 Flatbush Joe,

tribalism an faction building are hard wired into the bald monkey in us...

personally I strive to be a thinking being past all that instinct shit but then again I have a God that has a book and sorta says "nut up you bald apes"....

if your whole life is spent in a Mommy Dearest-esque game of 'love me daddy" with the Church then instinct becomes a warm blankie...

Posted by: sven10077-ArkLaTex travelogue and Researcher at March 20, 2013 02:06 PM (LRFds)

195 180 Now THAT'S funny.

Posted by: zsasz at March 20, 2013 02:06 PM (MMC8r)

196
Smoke on the Water????


Derp Purple.

Posted by: fixerupper at March 20, 2013 02:07 PM (nELVU)

197 People are aghast when I say I don't sort my trash. It's like confessing to being a bank robber, but with added shame. I use the apologetic phrase: "Go fuck yourself."

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at March 20, 2013 02:07 PM (8HlS8)

198 Ace is a DERPIST!!!!

Posted by: Truck Monkey at March 20, 2013 02:07 PM (jucos)

199 I wonder if my old Roland D-50 has a derp preset.

Posted by: Grumpy Cat at March 20, 2013 02:07 PM (j3uk1)

200 Obviously a lot of Leftism is driven by vestigial paganism (and perhaps a heavily corrupted form of Christ's message, but if so it is extremely corrupted), but I think a slightly more interesting question is what do you have left if you take man and strip him of any metaphysical curiosity whatsoever.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at March 20, 2013 02:07 PM (GHpOB)

201 My husband, who is an atheist, has no problem with the existence of organized religion for just this reason. Human beings will congregate around some shared belief system. Given all the alternatives, the Judeo Christian one is fairly benign, and does some societal good. It really doesn't matter to him if it's true. He says it isn't, but so? It serves a useful function, so leave it alone unless it gets uppity and wants to run your life.

Posted by: WMCB at March 20, 2013 02:07 PM (jjsXL)

202 I have no time for the anti-evolution crazies. It's just a fact. Deal with it. Trying to laugh or mock it away doesn't work with anyone with a decent education. And we have major health threats due to bacteria evolving into antibiotic resistant strains. There are serious problems. Got no time for the nutjob anti-evolutionistas. I got no problem if you want to say that God directed evolution or started it or cause it or whatever. But don't insult my intelligence.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 20, 2013 02:08 PM (ZPrif)

Posted by: soothsayer, of the Righteous & Harmonious Fists at March 20, 2013 02:08 PM (xIzGn)

204

Logprof:

 

My apologies, I am somewhat handicapped as the language is defined by the very people that push such theories.  Let's go with genus then.

Posted by: Prescient11 at March 20, 2013 02:08 PM (tVTLU)

205 24 I am slowly becoming a Captain America villain. Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at March 20, 2013 05:35 PM (NzBQO) Dude. Captain America fought the fucking Tea Party in 2010.

Posted by: Truman North and his shiny new website at March 20, 2013 02:09 PM (I2LwF)

206 Looks like erg's mom called down to the basement and told him his mac and cheese is ready.  And to put his pants on.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 20, 2013 02:09 PM (UOM48)

207 Obama gives Israel a magnolia tree, which is ceremoniously planted. No one thought to clear this with the Japanese Agriculture Ministry. Digging it up now. Color me stupid, but what do the Japs have to do with Israel?

Posted by: rickb223 at March 20, 2013 02:09 PM (F0bki)

208 Derpaderpaderpaderp derp derp BOOM

Derpaderpaderpaderp derp derp BOOM

The 1812 Derpature

Posted by: WalrusRex at March 20, 2013 02:09 PM (Hx5uv)

209 :::;159 Actually, Jilia Kristeva the Mary Douglas. We're all "environmentalists," because everyone has a general agreement about the things in life which must undergo necessary abjection; like dirt, like shit. Unless you are ace, who still gargles with his mother's piss every morning in order to maintain a metaphorical union with her body.::;; Derp, your intellect is so powerful that your sentences appear to our lesser minds as complete fucking nonsense. I mean look at that APPARENT jumblefuck of disjointed brain shittings. In actuality, it's probably quite brilliant. If only we could fully appreciate your derpness.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at March 20, 2013 02:10 PM (l+kmq)

210 Even Atheists have a system of Good and Evil that they follow. (They just don't buy off the rack.) If they do, then they're stupid. There is a fundamental bit of reality in life: Morality is for chumps. If you are a rational person, you won't ever restrain your behavior voluntarily. You will lie, cheat and steal if you can get away with it. Since biology is in vogue, people seem to think that morality is hard-wired. Even of you accept that, we are rational beings capable of overriding biological impulses. Rational beings can compute that it is to their advantage to behave badly.

Posted by: AmishDude at March 20, 2013 02:10 PM (I/HMT)

211 209 Truman North,

and sided with AQ in the Bush era IIRC...

basically they have managed to destroy every common touchstone I had with pop culture to the point I am a man without a "pop" country

Posted by: sven10077-ArkLaTex travelogue and Researcher at March 20, 2013 02:10 PM (LRFds)

212 Nope, total Left meme that conservatives don't get science, distrust scientists and are a tribal bunch who prefer the priests they trust. Just a meme!

I'm still not seeing the actual name of that awesome genius physicist-mathematician who has overthrown a century or two of biological research and DNA analysis.

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at March 20, 2013 02:10 PM (QTHTd)

213 >>>you sound like a twit!

you misspelled "stupid fucking cuntmouth weakling"

Posted by: ace, changing up the joke at March 20, 2013 02:10 PM (LCRYB)

214

Derp da derp derp deeeeeeerrrrrrrrrp

Donkey Kong music at the beginning of the game.

Posted by: Tilikum the Killer Assault Whale at March 20, 2013 02:10 PM (uhftQ)

215 O-o-o-o-o-o-O-O-O-O-Obama-aaaaaaa! O-o-o-o-o-o-O-O-O-O-Obama-aaaaaaa! Bring us hope, oh Lord Obama O-o-o-o-o-o-O-O-O-O-Obama-aaaaaaa! Bring us change, oh Lord Obama O-o-o-o-o-o-O-O-O-O-Obama-aaaaaaa! Keep us from setting our thermostats to 72 degrees year round, Oh Fair Obama O-o-o-o-o-o-O-O-O-O-Obama-aaaaaaa! Smite the rich that they might flee to far-slung shore, Oh Mighty One O-o-o-o-o-o-O-O-O-O-Obama-aaaaaaa! O-o-o-o-o-o-O-O-O-O-Obama-aaaaaaa! O-o-o-o-o-o-O-O-O-O-Obama-aaaaaaa!

Posted by: The Religious Order of Obamacans at March 20, 2013 02:10 PM (j2lYi)

216 I wonder if my old Roland D-50 has a derp preset.

Posted by: Grumpy Cat at March 20, 2013 06:07 PM

****

You can download the sample files and flash the eprom

Posted by: The Generic, Award Winning Moron at March 20, 2013 02:10 PM (+I8Mq)

217 In our county though, seriously, you just throw anything that's not stained and like, made of food, into a big yellow bin and they take it. I doubt all of it gets recycled, but they seem to be content with doing the irritating sorting if you'll be cool and not put old banana peels and rotten pizza in there.

Posted by: RiverC at March 20, 2013 02:11 PM (El+h4)

218 Is derp dodecaphonic?

Posted by: Anton Webern at March 20, 2013 02:11 PM (j3uk1)

219 It's not a new observation that Marxism is intended to replace traditional religion, but I like how Crichton phrases things.

Posted by: Ian S. at March 20, 2013 06:06 PM (OevbG)


----------


This is why one of the first things to happen in a totalitarian regime, including communist countries like China, the USSR, and North Korea, is the outlawing of non-approved religious communities and services.  It is estimated the hundreds of thousands of Chines Christians have been killed in the last 40 years or so, and countless thousands in N. Korea as well.  Oddly enough, reports out of both countries seem to indicate that the Church is growing and flourishing underground, in spite of it. 


Marxists must eliminate God in order for their plans to succeed.  God laughs.

Posted by: mama winger at March 20, 2013 02:11 PM (P6QsQ)

220 Now THAT'S funny.

Posted by: zsasz at March 20, 2013 06:06 PM (MMC8r)

 

Don't forget the DVD set sent to the Queen early in Obama Regime 1.  It had the wrong country code, and was therefore useless.   Most people learn from their mistakes.  This administration is apparently too arrogant.

Posted by: Joe Theisman's Prostate at March 20, 2013 02:11 PM (HqXYa)

221 217 Ace,

yeah brevity may be the soul of wit but few things satisfy like nut punching a twit

Posted by: sven10077-ArkLaTex travelogue and Researcher at March 20, 2013 02:11 PM (LRFds)

222 This! ------> http://tinyurl.com/cpm88ry

Fuckin' A, right!

WAR!!



Posted by: Albie Damned at March 20, 2013 02:12 PM (Yhu4q)

223 As an aside, the central thesis of Christianity, correctly understood, is that Christ's sacrifice (and a belief in its meaning) absolves Man, who is inherently imperfect, from his sins, thereby saving him. Christianity, without Christ, reduces to puristic neurosis. (And that's prior to factoring in "Aryans'" inherent tendency toward purism.)

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at March 20, 2013 02:12 PM (GHpOB)

224 1. Presidential Limo breaks down; gas tank filled with diesel. Limo not diesel. Advance Limo flown back from Jordan to Israel. Presidential Limo 1 flown back to US for repairs.

2. Obama gives Israel a magnolia tree, which is ceremoniously planted. No one thought to clear this with the Japanese Agriculture Ministry. Digging it up now.

I don't care about the facts as much as the image it sends on the international stage: WE SUCK.

Posted by: Joe Theisman's Prostate at March 20, 2013 06:04 PM (HqXYa)


"MR. PRESIDENT?  WHAT ABOUT YOUR GAFFES?!""

Posted by: Said, No Reporter, Ever at March 20, 2013 02:12 PM (UypUQ)

225 Derp makes me miss the intellect that was palin steele.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 20, 2013 02:12 PM (UOM48)

226 bama gives Israel a magnolia tree, which is ceremoniously planted. No one thought to clear this with the Japanese Agriculture Ministry. Digging it up now.


Color me stupid, but what do the Japs have to do with Israel?

Posted by: rickb223 at March 20, 2013 06:09 PM (F0bki)

 

My bad.  The ISRAELI Ministry.  Must be dipping into the Valu-Rite a tad early.  I denounce myself.

Posted by: Joe Theisman's Prostate at March 20, 2013 02:12 PM (HqXYa)

227 I do remember the time they made you sort out the brown and green and clear glass into different bins. I guess they realized that Waste Management does it better and cheaper in one location.

Posted by: RiverC at March 20, 2013 02:13 PM (El+h4)

228 227 MUMR,

Christianity without Christ's absolution is a system rather prone to "great man" syndrome...

Posted by: sven10077-ArkLaTex travelogue and Researcher at March 20, 2013 02:13 PM (LRFds)

229 >>>
If you are a rational person, you won't ever restrain your behavior voluntarily. You will lie, cheat and steal if you can get away with it.

this is so false I don't know what to say.

Look up "martial code."

warriors almost always develop a code of behavior that *disadvantages* them (in as much as it forbids certain things and demands others) and yet they cling to it, as the warrior's code is what distinguishes them from the coward.

You always say this.  No matter how many times it's disproven, you'll keep on saying it.


Posted by: ace at March 20, 2013 02:13 PM (LCRYB)

230 Posted by: Joe Theisman's Prostate at March 20, 2013 06:04 PM (HqXYa) If only late-night comedians could find something funny about this president.

Posted by: Grumpy Cat at March 20, 2013 02:13 PM (j3uk1)

231 Classical?   Must be Flight of the Bumblederp.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon now 63/64ths less Irish at March 20, 2013 02:13 PM (pLvWv)

232 Michael Crichton was one of my favorite authors.  When we lost him we lost a giant.

Posted by: Vic at March 20, 2013 02:13 PM (53z96)

233 Most people learn from their mistakes. This administration is apparently too arrogant.

*****

If you only knew how much booze pours through the West Wing you'd swear they were Top Morons.

Posted by: The Generic, Award Winning Moron at March 20, 2013 02:13 PM (+I8Mq)

234 Even religions have disagreements on theology. Can anybody truly tell me why an environmentalist can't be pro global warming? Ladies and gentlemen, the earth is too damned cold.

Posted by: AmishDude at March 20, 2013 02:13 PM (I/HMT)

235  No, leftism is definitely religious thinking.

It's utopian, believing man and his works can be perfected, through the agencies of man, specifically the elites.

All good comes from the State.

There is no end but the State, the source of our benefits, the mechanism that will perfect us.

There is nothing more powerful than the State, and the rights of Man are accorded from it.

The State achieves moral ends-- 'fairness,' and 'equality.'

Yada yada yada.

Posted by: zsasz at March 20, 2013 05:55 PM (MMC8r)

 

 

----------------------------------------------------

 

 

Enviromentalism:  The creation of the state.

 

Abortion:  The creation of the state.

 

Political correctness:  The creation of the state.

 

Welfare:  The creation of the state.

 

Health (presently):  A creation of the state.

 

ETC., ETC.

 

 

Posted by: Soona at March 20, 2013 02:14 PM (uzR7E)

236 I once went with my kids on a cleanup mission out on the county roads. Rediculous amount of trash in the 1 mile stretch we cleaned. Half filled the bed of a pickup truck. That was the last time I ever contributed to society.

Posted by: Whatev at March 20, 2013 02:14 PM (A7Wh1)

237 Now THAT'S funny.
Posted by: zsasz at March 20, 2013 06:06 PM (MMC8r)
Don't forget the DVD set sent to the Queen early in Obama Regime 1. It had the wrong country code, and was therefore useless. Most people learn from their mistakes. This administration is apparently too arrogant.
Posted by: Joe Theisman's Prostate at March 20, 2013 06:11 PM (HqXYa)


No, no, no. He gave legally blind Prime Minister Gordan Brown the unplayable DVD set. The Queen got the iPod loaded with Obama's speeches.

Posted by: mugiwara at March 20, 2013 02:14 PM (hpYnL)

238


Why is it that liberal assholes get this kind of religion, but turn into such fucking dicks about EVERYTHING.

Meanwhile, most Catholics I know are nice people.

But not liberals, they turn into judgmental douchebags.

Religion is supposed to give you hope, but they always focus on the most insane negative crap, and get tats and prance around like effete dancers.

So damned judgmental. Worse than any nun I ever had, seriously...I've know more than a few athiest idiots...all childish jerks, judging and rubbing people's nose in not being just like them.


Posted by: Rev dr E buzz at March 20, 2013 02:14 PM (raGXo)

239 The Leftist belief that human beings are somehow "unnatural" further compounds Leftists' obsession with the environment, and human beings' effect upon it.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at March 20, 2013 02:14 PM (GHpOB)

240 Ladies and gentlemen, the earth is too damned cold. Of course it is. That's why I sleep on your head at night. Just kidding. I do it to fuck with people.

Posted by: Grumpy Cat at March 20, 2013 02:15 PM (j3uk1)

241 Great post Ace. There is a dark side to environmentalism. I met Paul Watson and heard him speak on the need for population control. Basically proposes a population for North America or about 15 million. So they envision an "elect" who are worthy and the rest...there must be some sort of a solution for them?

Posted by: Evi. L. Bloggerlady at March 20, 2013 02:15 PM (4kTo2)

242

Flatbush Joe:

 

You are just as guilty as the enviro wackos on this one.  Don't you see the trap you've fallen into.  This is how you started out: 

"Evolution isn't junk science. You sound stupid when you say that."

I say evolution is junk, at least the kind of the fish to human variety.  I have provided several reasons as to why that is the case.  You come back with:

 

 "I have no time for the anti-evolution crazies."

 

 "It's just a fact. Deal with it."

 

 "[Denying it] doesn't work with anyone with a decent education."

 

 "Got no time for the nutjob anti-evolutionistas."


These are not arguments.  Are you going to resort to the "tea bagger" line of the leftists next.

 

Now, if you're saying that the evolutionary plan was built into the first matter or living thing I suppose, and that it is just unlocking as the original designers intended, and that's the kind of designed "evolution" you are referring to, well then ok, I can buy into that theory.

 

But the idea that one genus involves into another is totally laughable.  Or that something with no eyesight can evolve those microbiological functions in a matter of 4 billion years is also laughable.

 

And this is coming from a very highly educated, former atheist, former liberal, and someone who is marginally sane.

 

But in the end, I'll just invoke Crichton.  You want to state that genus evolution is a fact, prove it.

 

But the sad thing is that it cannot be proven.  And I have very good arguments as to why the probabilities are so low such a theory should be mocked.

 

"Evolution" has become religion of the worst kind, accepted principles as fact.  It's like global warming without the internet and true scientific investigation.  If anything, the Scopes trials are against those who call it into question.  They are hit with "crazies" "nutjob" "bad education".  These are the responses of the leftist.  Not of a rational human being that wants to discuss an issue.

 

Posted by: Prescient11 at March 20, 2013 02:16 PM (tVTLU)

243 If only late-night comedians could find something funny about this president. Posted by: Grumpy Cat at March 20, 2013 06:13 PM (j3uk1) ------------------------------------------------------------ Leno is starting to lob some softballs at Teh JEF. Maybe that's why NBC is about to flush him.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at March 20, 2013 02:16 PM (jucos)

244 Hearing Crichton on global warming is what made me do a complete 180° on the issue.  I had always gone along assuming the basic science was sound.

Posted by: Said, No Reporter, Ever at March 20, 2013 02:16 PM (UypUQ)

245 I have a notion that derp looks like a male Lisa Loeb.

Posted by: soothsayer, of the Righteous & Harmonious Fists at March 20, 2013 02:16 PM (vyPsz)

246

"People are aghast when I say I don't sort my trash"

Most of our friends & associates know this of me, so a couple took their own empty bottles (home, I guess) from the #1 Nephews Grad party we threw this past fall rather than have me toss 'em.

I was amazed. Saddened, but amazed.

Posted by: Jess1 at March 20, 2013 02:16 PM (lbiWb)

247 I do remember the time they made you sort out the brown and green and clear glass into different bins. I guess they realized that Waste Management does it better and cheaper in one location.

Posted by: RiverC at March 20, 2013 06:13 PM (El+h4)



I saw a report that said 90% of the communities that do this shit simply haul it to the land fills and dump it all together again. The only thing that is really recycling is aluminum and steel.  All the rest cost money to do so they don't do it.



Personally even though they quit making us do it I still save aluminum cans separately.  I take them to the fire station in town to a bin they have.  They sell them and the proceeds go to the Shriner's Burn Children Hospital.

Posted by: Vic at March 20, 2013 02:17 PM (53z96)

248 @Flatbush Joe  No you're sounding ignorant.   The bacterial "evolution" to gain antibiotic resistance is a result of the loss (deletion via mutation) of genetic information, not the addition.   Without the random addition of new, beneficial genetic info (which cannot and does not happen) you cannot have macro evolution.

The science is settled!!!!!!  You sound like a warmist 

Posted by: pashmr at March 20, 2013 02:17 PM (3aNC4)

249 And forget about human pollution. What we really need to do is figure out a way to stop billions of fish from shitting in our water supply. Fuck you fish!

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 20, 2013 02:17 PM (ZPrif)

250 sock off

Posted by: Serious Cat at March 20, 2013 02:17 PM (UypUQ)

251 "my century..is unique in the history of men for two reasons. It is the first century since life began when a decisive part of the most articulate section of mankind has not merely ceased to believe in God, but has deliberately rejected God. And it is the century in which this religious rejection has taken a specifically political formÂ….” ― Whittaker Chambers, Witness

Posted by: BrianInWisconsin at March 20, 2013 02:17 PM (bjtc4)

252 243 MUMR,

their evangelical wing says without irony that "mankind is a virus on Earth" I could probably give you a dozen examples...

I just wish they'd martyr themselves instead of trying to martyr progress....

Posted by: sven10077-ArkLaTex travelogue and Researcher at March 20, 2013 02:17 PM (LRFds)

253 If politics is religion for the Left- and I believe it is- they certainly have their own Book Of Proverbs No war for oil Tax cuts for the rich Save the planet Evil corporations and their religion has a Satan. Sometimes he looks like Ronald Reagan, other times Nixon, other times Geo Bush

Posted by: Jones in CO at March 20, 2013 02:17 PM (8sCoq)

254 I     studied   mythology    in  college,   and   one   of   the   things   I   learned  was    that    Gaia  (Gay - Ah)      mated     with     Uranus  (Your  -  Anus)   to     produce     the    heavenly    gods.     Practical   knowledge    is  power.

Posted by: Yale Taft Portman: Gay Son at March 20, 2013 02:17 PM (wIgpo)

255 Sven 215 209 Truman North, and sided with AQ in the Bush era IIRC... basically they have managed to destroy every common touchstone I had with pop culture to the point I am a man without a "pop" country My love affair with comics ended when spider-man teamed up with Obama to prevent the chameleon from stealing the inauguration.

Posted by: Truman North and his shiny new website at March 20, 2013 02:17 PM (I2LwF)

256 I have a notion that derp looks like a male Lisa Loeb. Could be Leopold and Loeb. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leopold_and_Loeb

Posted by: Grumpy Cat at March 20, 2013 02:17 PM (j3uk1)

257 warriors almost always develop a code of behavior that *disadvantages* them (in as much as it forbids certain things and demands others)

****

It's what give them the strength character to develop the killing skills and restraint in their application. And why those who are privy to this knowledge and stray to villainy are anathema.

Posted by: The Generic, Award Winning Moron at March 20, 2013 02:17 PM (+I8Mq)

258 The Singing Nuns, "Derpinica"

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at March 20, 2013 02:18 PM (0IhFx)

259 this is so false I don't know what to say. Look up "martial code." warriors almost always develop a code of behavior that *disadvantages* them (in as much as it forbids certain things and demands others) and yet they cling to it, as the warrior's code is what distinguishes them from the coward. Then they are being irrational. The wise general or tyrant can easily take advantage of such people. Because he's figured it out. He doesn't care whether think him a coward or a fool or Hitler. Because he is rational. PS, "rational" is not necessarily good. In fact, it's at its core sociopathological.

Posted by: AmishDude at March 20, 2013 02:18 PM (I/HMT)

260 I think this is an important post. If I had more time id take full credit for it via gamesmanship. In short, I think this is an important point to drive home. The left is arbitrarily imposing it's religion of liberalism onto us. Calling it out for what it is, is step 1 of creating a viable political message to oppose and overcome it.

Posted by: Hopeless at March 20, 2013 02:18 PM (d3X9n)

261 "State of Fear"

great, great book.  One of his last.


Posted by: Al at March 20, 2013 02:18 PM (V70Uh)

262

--Species evolution is BS? How did Man's Best Friend come from wolves, then?

 

Speciation, AKA microevolution. In other words, the loss of genetic material, not the adding of it. As far as I know.

 

"Evolution" is a pretty ambiguous term by itself.

Posted by: Grey Fox at March 20, 2013 02:18 PM (/ZHx6)

263 Last night I finally got to enjoy Skyfall.  Tonight I checked out Zero Dark 30.  Trying to gorge on flicks I wanted to see and that which my wife won't miss.

Posted by: logprof at March 20, 2013 02:18 PM (+iA5G)

264 >What we really need to do is figure out a way to stop billions of fish from shitting in our water supply. and they fuck in it too!

Posted by: Jones in CO at March 20, 2013 02:18 PM (8sCoq)

265 Derp pops in, throws unrelated adjectives at us to tell us how stupid we are, and evaporates.

Posted by: zsasz at March 20, 2013 02:19 PM (MMC8r)

266 By the way, my website has a fully-functioning donation button. One moron has donated to the PAC. I need 99 more of you to donate.

Posted by: Truman North and his shiny new website at March 20, 2013 02:19 PM (I2LwF)

267

"So they envision an "elect" who are worthy and the rest...there must be some sort of a solution for them"

Yeah. They stupidly believe that they will be the "elect" when TSHTF. Remind them of which group spent the most time staring at the gallows' blade...

Posted by: Jess1 at March 20, 2013 02:19 PM (lbiWb)

268 245 Evi L Bloggerlady,

Yup...probably a pretty final one as well...

the thing is I would not play God myself on 'picking who stays and who goes away" and I would die before I let them play that game.

Posted by: sven10077-ArkLaTex travelogue and Researcher at March 20, 2013 02:19 PM (LRFds)

269 *Being silly consults an online Magic Eight Ball*
Q: Should I get lottery tickets tonight.

A: No.


Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 20, 2013 02:19 PM (tkWnt)

270

One thing that struck me.... was the 'programed' students question.... of how he was 'prejudiced' against Environmentalism...

 

Prejudice is to PRE Judge... to NOT look at the facts... yet has has thought and studied this area.... so much that he has written books...

 

Ergo.... he has JUDGED it... not prejudged it...

 

But the student was going for a Liberal Enviroweenie Got ya question...  thus the 'evil' prejudice...

Posted by: Romeo13 at March 20, 2013 02:20 PM (lZBBB)

271 AmishDude: "If you are a rational person, you won't ever restrain your behavior voluntarily. You will lie, cheat and steal if you can get away with it."

----

Which, despite their claims otherwise, proves that leftists who like to call themselves 'Secular Humanists', are not at all rational.

All morality is subjective.  There is no way to twist objective science into a type of morality.  To do so violates the tenets of objectivity.  Science doesn't care who lives or dies.  Science doesn't care who suffers.  If they were as objective as they say, the left certainly wouldn't care what was "fair" and what was not.

Posted by: gastorgrab at March 20, 2013 02:20 PM (FX38i)

272 Just got Zero Dark Thirty on DVD and will watch it later. Also got some shaped charges and a small quantity of plutonium but that project is still in the planning stages.

Posted by: Jones in CO at March 20, 2013 02:20 PM (8sCoq)

273 Derp pops in, throws unrelated adjectives at us to tell us how stupid we are, and evaporates.

Posted by: zsasz

***

 

Derp-dini

Posted by: Tilikum the Killer Assault Whale at March 20, 2013 02:20 PM (uhftQ)

274 whatever. Anybody who wastes their time arguing against the reality of evolution is, most likely, just a crank. Seriously. You might as well spend your time trying to convince me that electromagnetism isn't real. nujobbery.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 20, 2013 02:21 PM (ZPrif)

275 @Vic

Yep. I think in our county they just trash whatever they can't sell / recycle properly, and thus don't end up the same stupid problem they have in other places. The removal of vegetable/animal parts definitely helps this; but I will admit I don't know where the bottles and cardboard go; I would assume that not all get recycled. I am however glad to let them make that choice if they can economically slow the progress of the landfill filling up.

Posted by: RiverC at March 20, 2013 02:21 PM (El+h4)

276 We all know who will be chosen, and who will not.  The ones who will not bow the knee to Caesar will be eliminated, for the greater good.

Posted by: mama winger at March 20, 2013 02:21 PM (P6QsQ)

277 btw, prevaricator means literally "walk crookedly" lie, straddle the truth, sidestep the truth we don't use prevaricator enough while talking about the Left

Posted by: soothsayer, of the Righteous & Harmonious Fists at March 20, 2013 02:21 PM (Fely/)

278 I've always been amused at how following the publication of Crichton's State of Fear, wherein he trashes the Hollywood/Eco-Nazi Complex, his books stopped getting made into movies. This man must have made billions for them, but as soon as he criticizes their religion, he's a pariah. State of Fear would have made a pretty good, but not nearly as good as the book, Hollywood thriller, like so many of his other books.

Posted by: mugiwara at March 20, 2013 02:22 PM (hpYnL)

279 This is why one of the first things to happen in a totalitarian regime, including communist countries like China, the USSR, and North Korea, is the outlawing of non-approved religious communities and services. That is, until the Nazis are on the outskirts of Moscow and you have to reopen churches to kinda, you know, motivate the folks.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at March 20, 2013 02:22 PM (8HlS8)

280 >We're losing 2000 species a minute! Do you hear me? A minute! PEOPLE ARE DYING, PEOPLE!

Posted by: Jones in CO at March 20, 2013 02:22 PM (8sCoq)

281 You might as well spend your time trying to convince me that electromagnetism isn't real. It's real, but it's gay.

Posted by: zsasz at March 20, 2013 02:22 PM (MMC8r)

282 266 Al,

I'll help Ace give away some copies...

hell I would run a contest that the first person to whatever gets a copy...

State of Fear should have been the beginning of the end for the watermelons...

instead we lost a great mind too soon

Posted by: sven10077-ArkLaTex travelogue and Researcher at March 20, 2013 02:22 PM (LRFds)

283 I have a notion that derp looks like a male Lisa Loeb.

Posted by: soothsayer,

He's right here if you're curious:
http://theothermccain.com/2013/03/09/you-stay-classy-bill-schmalfeldt/

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at March 20, 2013 02:22 PM (UCv7P)

284 Srsly now, have any Morons walked barefoot behind the walking plow behind the team of animals while the flycatchers called and the first insects emerged from the river? Did you then dine on the new spring's nettles with eggs from your own hens? Not b/c it's better: b/c the connection is a sine qua non to a certain natural understanding. Srsly. You don't want to eat peyote. Foot marathons are hard enough. Ski marathons are harder still. Just sayin'. God and you. (If you want intellectual prestige, see the modern treatments of Anselm's Ontological argument. Start there.)

Posted by: Thorvald drinking good Scotch in broad daylight at March 20, 2013 02:23 PM (1V6Pv)

285 PEOPLE ARE DYING, PEOPLE! YOU GUYS!

Posted by: zsasz at March 20, 2013 02:23 PM (MMC8r)

286 Goddamn right. I forgot about all the fish-fucking in our water supply. Damn fish splooging in our rivers and oceans. Fucking elitist self-absorbed cold-blooded assholes.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 20, 2013 02:23 PM (ZPrif)

287 >>>Note that religious people can join in this belief, while rejecting the biological reason structural anthropologists offer:

There is no reason for those beliefs to preclude each other as far as I can see.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose DOOMCASTER! at March 20, 2013 02:23 PM (0q2P7)

288 You might as well spend your time trying to convince me that electromagnetism isn't real. It's real, but it's gay. Does this have anything to do with AC vs. DC?

Posted by: Grumpy Cat at March 20, 2013 02:23 PM (j3uk1)

289 Former actor, and self appointed marine biologist Ted Danson said the oceans would be dead in ten years, about 20 years ago.

Posted by: Whatev at March 20, 2013 02:23 PM (A7Wh1)

290

Pharm and Grey Fox:

 

YES!!  Fellow commenters, please pay attention to this.  This is CONSENSUS and has nothing to do with science.  Look at the ridiculous attacks and namecalling from one of our own just because I dare question it.  You can read my prior comments to know that I do not suffer from a bad education and am only a little nuts.  But yet, how dare one question the religion of evolution and you must be NUTS and an IDIOT.

 

How scary is that.  Evolution is touted by the left, it is the champion of all that they stand for.  IT IS THEIR IDENTITY.  To NOT be created by God.

 

Now imagine if that falls.  Do you see why they cling to it and must silence any opposition.  The more advances we make in microbiology, the stupider evolution looks.  It initially was opposed on religious grounds.  Now it's only defense is the religion of atheism.

 

If evolution as taught by the lefties falls, then we have taken the cornerstone out of their foundation AND THEY SHALL SURELY BE DESTROYED.  My guess it's going to take another 50-100 years and some brave, brave souls.  They have already started up that hill.

Posted by: Prescient11 at March 20, 2013 02:23 PM (tVTLU)

291

warriors almost always develop a code of behavior that *disadvantages* them (in as much as it forbids certain things and demands others) and yet they cling to it, as the warrior's code is what distinguishes them from the coward.

 

It is only irrational if you assume that the only end goal of warfare is to destroy the enemy. That is very seldom only goal.

Posted by: Grey Fox at March 20, 2013 02:24 PM (/ZHx6)

292 Former actor, and self appointed marine biologist Ted Danson said the oceans would be dead in ten years, about 20 years ago. Did I say oceans? I meant "my career."

Posted by: Ted Danson at March 20, 2013 02:24 PM (j3uk1)

293 278 We're losing 2000 species a minute! Do you hear me? A minute! Posted by: Barkin' Jeff Corwin at March 20, 2013 06:20 PM (vbh31) How far down the list are Progressives?

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at March 20, 2013 02:25 PM (8HlS8)

294 "273 245 Evi L Bloggerlady, Yup...probably a pretty final one as well... the thing is I would not play God myself on 'picking who stays and who goes away" and I would die before I let them play that game. Posted by: sven10077-ArkLaTex travelogue and Researcher at March 20, 2013 06:19 PM (LRFds) " Since Atheists believe that the world is chaotic and things are mostly the product of chance, they seek to impose order through mass murder.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at March 20, 2013 02:25 PM (GHpOB)

295 Electromagnetism is a communist plot! QED motherfuckers!

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at March 20, 2013 02:25 PM (ZPrif)

296 Enviro religion though, is not just Christianity without Christ, understand; it is Puritanism without Christ. It's like a supercharged, strength-as-justice and purity form of Christian thought which is extremely God-focused and almost maniacal in its zeal and work ethic.

Removal of Christ/God from it makes two things. First, you get unitarians that are afraid to believe that God condemns anyone at all. But the condemning doesn't go away. It just moves, all of it, into the finger, that waggling finger... called the social gospel. Next, since that God isn't worth believing in because he's unnecessary, you get our liberals.

Puritans. The worst thing that happened to them was they succeeded.

Posted by: RiverC at March 20, 2013 02:25 PM (El+h4)

297 Ted Danson just died in a motorcycle accident.

Posted by: Truman North and his shiny new website at March 20, 2013 02:25 PM (I2LwF)

298 298 Grey Fox,

sadly you mispelled "never" these days....

I think the world we be a better place if we Carthaged a jihadist den...

Posted by: sven10077-ArkLaTex travelogue and Researcher at March 20, 2013 02:25 PM (LRFds)

299 "274 *Being silly consults an online Magic Eight Ball* Q: Should I get lottery tickets tonight. A: No. Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 20, 2013 06:19 PM (tkWnt) " Yes.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at March 20, 2013 02:26 PM (GHpOB)

300

#290,

You want me to call an ambulance or a priest?

Posted by: Jess1 at March 20, 2013 02:26 PM (lbiWb)

301 "PS, "rational" is not necessarily good. In fact, it's at its core sociopathological."

------

Yes.  I was about to say that 'rational' doesn't necessarily mean what you think it means.

Posted by: gastorgrab at March 20, 2013 02:26 PM (FX38i)

302 There is one thing that argues against evolution. David Hasselhoff on the floor trying to eat a hamburger.

Posted by: Grumpy Cat at March 20, 2013 02:26 PM (j3uk1)

303 Chimps and humans share 99% of DNA. How can you look at this and not believe in evolution?

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at March 20, 2013 02:27 PM (HDgX3)

304

Howard Johnson is right you guys.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at March 20, 2013 02:27 PM (7v/wS)

305 >>>You might as well spend your time trying to convince me that electromagnetism isn't real.

How about this. Evolution is insufficiently explained* to even qualify as a scientific theory.

*And therefore insufficiently understood.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose DOOMCASTER! at March 20, 2013 02:27 PM (0q2P7)

306 Did you all see the funny tweets on #obamaissatan? Funny! One tweet said that Obama is NOT Satan. Satan has leadership experience. LOL

Posted by: Jmel at March 20, 2013 02:27 PM (9tSXa)

307 Is this the dumb shit flush from the award? Shit attracts flies.

Posted by: Thorvald drinking good Scotch in broad daylight at March 20, 2013 02:28 PM (1V6Pv)

308 Bloomberg is High Priest of the Temple of the Body(of course he believes in AGW bullshit too).You know who was a health nut?(a health Nazi,you might say) Adolf Hitler.

Posted by: steevy at March 20, 2013 02:28 PM (9XBK2)

309
Did I say oceans? I meant "my career."

Posted by: Ted Danson at March 20, 2013 06:24 PM (j3uk1)


______________


Come again?

Posted by: CSI at March 20, 2013 02:28 PM (HDgX3)

310

Chimps and humans share 99% of DNA. How can you look at this and not believe in evolution?

I say that's all just wind in sails.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at March 20, 2013 02:28 PM (7v/wS)

311 Hmm it seems Tom Cotton is a bit touchy on the evolution thing

Posted by: BSR at March 20, 2013 02:29 PM (H0Rot)

312 "282 We all know who will be chosen, and who will not. The ones who will not bow the knee to Caesar will be eliminated, for the greater good. Posted by: mama winger at March 20, 2013 06:21 PM (P6QsQ) " Well, strictly speaking, it's Nero Caesar (Neron Kaisar). Obama does sort of fit the bill.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at March 20, 2013 02:29 PM (GHpOB)

313 how does evolution explain the platypus

Posted by: Jones in CO at March 20, 2013 02:29 PM (8sCoq)

314 It is only irrational if you assume that the only end goal of warfare is to destroy the enemy. That is very seldom only goal.

 

 

Posted by: Grey Fox at March 20, 2013 06:24 PM (/ZHx6)

 

 

No.... the goal is controlled violence.... not just violence... its about When, and How Much....

Posted by: Romeo13 at March 20, 2013 02:30 PM (lZBBB)

315 So god can't re-use the 99% of the blueprint from one species to make the blueprint for another species? Seems efficient to me.

Posted by: Truman North and his shiny new website at March 20, 2013 02:30 PM (I2LwF)

316 @246- Prescient11 Yessir, and thanks for all that typing. Judeo-Christian "myths"? Myths he said? This guy is supposed to be smart?

Posted by: teej at March 20, 2013 02:30 PM (AoY8i)

317 An evolutionary chimp could be a star on that show. Or hold high elective office.

Posted by: Grumpy Cat at March 20, 2013 02:30 PM (j3uk1)

318 More to the point, religion is not 'rational'. (and neither is Liberal Progressivism)

Posted by: gastorgrab at March 20, 2013 02:30 PM (FX38i)

319 >>>It is only irrational if you assume that the only end goal of warfare is to destroy the enemy. That is very seldom only goal.

I would add the naive to that list.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose DOOMCASTER! at March 20, 2013 02:30 PM (0q2P7)

320 But yet, how dare one question the religion of evolution and you must be NUTS and an IDIOT.

Posted by: Prescient11

No, you got that covered before you brought up evolution, sparky.

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at March 20, 2013 02:31 PM (UCv7P)

321

Electromagnetism can be proven and observed.

 

Genus evolution, not so much.  250 microbiological functions, happening instantly at the same time and coordinating with each other, now the chances of that evolving in the random amoeba, not so much....

 

I will say this, evolution is the ultimate religion of the lefties.  Thinking more on it, bringing it into serious question on probability theories.  Quote from an atheist mathematician (not the one I was thinking about):

 

The notion that not only the biopolymers but the operating program of a living cell could be arrived at by chance in a primordial soup here on Earth is evidently nonsense of a high order.

Sir Fred Hoyle

 

If you beat evolution, then everything that the statist/leftist argues for starts to fall.  But evolution beats itself, it's a laughable idea.

Posted by: Prescient11 at March 20, 2013 02:31 PM (tVTLU)

322 new one

Posted by: Vic at March 20, 2013 02:31 PM (53z96)

323

318:

 

How much DNA is similar between a human and a daffodil?  Hint, it's a lot.

Posted by: Prescient11 at March 20, 2013 02:31 PM (tVTLU)

324 Has anybody been to Russia lately?

Posted by: Soona at March 20, 2013 02:32 PM (uzR7E)

325 >>>So god can't re-use the 99% of the blueprint from one species to make the blueprint for another species?

>>>Seems efficient to me.

Detroit hasn't built a "Brand New Car" (A Car that doesn't use significant elements from pre-existing cars) in a long long time.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose DOOMCASTER! at March 20, 2013 02:32 PM (0q2P7)

326 >>>Then they are being irrational. Not really. There is a social credit that accrues to those seen as virtuous, noble, honest, wise, or whatever other good thing you can imagine.

Posted by: ace at March 20, 2013 02:32 PM (LCRYB)

327 Sadly, right alongside cockroaches and Keith Richards. Posted by: Barkin' Jeff Corwin at March 20, 2013 06:27 PM (vbh31) Damnit...

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at March 20, 2013 02:32 PM (8HlS8)

328 How enormously magnanimous of him. Posted by: The Third Horseman of The Apocalypse at March 20, 2013 06:16 PM (vbh31) ----- Nah. He just doesn't get why some atheists must be so oppositional to religion. It's perfectly possible to be an atheist and not be so. Control freaks are control freaks, and will be so whatever their religion, including atheism. He's in favor of not being one.

Posted by: WMCB at March 20, 2013 02:32 PM (jjsXL)

329 Far better religion, the religion of Alextopia.

Where stompy boots and short shorts will be common.
http://en.bijin-snap.com/2013/03/21/no-892/

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 20, 2013 02:32 PM (tkWnt)

330 in addition, many of us have learned that Bad Behavior usually leads to Bad Outcomes.

Posted by: ace at March 20, 2013 02:33 PM (LCRYB)

331 I  quit    'Cheers'   for    'Becker'    then   did  Whoopie  Goldberg  in  black - face.    I'm    also    a   certified    Life     Coach.   What   don't   I   know?

Posted by: Ted Danson at March 20, 2013 02:33 PM (wIgpo)

332 I am soooo smiting you all for this!

Posted by: Gaia at March 20, 2013 02:33 PM (XvHmy)

333 Has anybody been to Russia lately? Well, I've been to paradise but I've never been to me.

Posted by: Grumpy Cat at March 20, 2013 02:33 PM (j3uk1)

334 264 this is so false I don't know what to say.

Look up "martial code."

warriors almost always develop a code of behavior that *disadvantages* them (in as much as it forbids certain things and demands others) and yet they cling to it, as the warrior's code is what distinguishes them from the coward.

I don't know - you could also make the case that this is mostly a way of signalling extreme fitness to women and others in the warrior caste - a behavioral form of the male peacock's tail. And if that results in a higher likelihood of them passing on their genes, then it is 'rational' in the evolutionary sense.

Males of lots of species do 'irrational' dumbshit things that only make sense in this context.

Posted by: Mætenloch at March 20, 2013 02:34 PM (pAlYe)

335

Chimps and humans share 99% of DNA. How can you look at this and not believe in evolution?

 

Why would I assume that a correlation between DNA and a common descent?

 

Actually, on a more fundamental level: If I believe that humans evolved by random chance  why would I assume that any order that I see in the world is actually real and not just an illusion of my mind? After all, if seeing something that isn't there is a survival trait - like religion is supposed to be - why would I assume that anything i see is actually real?

Posted by: Grey Fox at March 20, 2013 02:34 PM (/ZHx6)

336 Electromagnetism can be proven and observed. In bathhouses. And a leather gimp mask.

Posted by: zsasz at March 20, 2013 02:35 PM (MMC8r)

337 If God did not exist, it would be necessary to invent him. -- Voltaire I just wish people would stop trying to usurp the God of Creation with their own idol.

Posted by: chaz at March 20, 2013 02:36 PM (sSNkG)

338 I'll go a step further: Nothing involving 'choice' is rational.

All 'choices' should be a product of the situation. 

Posted by: gastorgrab at March 20, 2013 02:36 PM (FX38i)

339 Chimps and humans share 99% of DNA. SO do Helen Thomas and Kate Upton.

Posted by: zsasz at March 20, 2013 02:36 PM (MMC8r)

340 Chimps and humans share 99% of DNA. ----- SO do Helen Thomas and Kate Upton. It is a cruel and incomprehensible universe.

Posted by: Grumpy Cat at March 20, 2013 02:38 PM (j3uk1)

341 "Well I've never been to Texas.  But I've been to Oklahoma..."

Posted by: Al at March 20, 2013 02:40 PM (V70Uh)

342 True.  But this is just another way of saying what we already know: liberals take their preferences, pretend they are objective truths, and impose them on others.  All bad things are the result of the Devil Bush/Cheney.  Obama God can do no wrong.  Not news. 

What do we do about it?  You can't talk a fanatic out of their beliefs. 

Posted by: Aaron at March 20, 2013 02:40 PM (Tlix5)

343

Males of lots of species do 'irrational' dumbshit things that only make sense in this context.

 


 

Posted by: Mætenloch at March 20, 2013 06:34 PM (pAlYe)

 

 

More.... I think there are Social, as well as physical, evolutions.... ie... rules for a given set of animals which help survival...

 

Things like the Wolf Pack Alpha hierarchy....

 

Warrior Codes fit into this nitch IMO.... ie... the control on violence helps them cooperate with the rest of the community... thus helping ALL survive...

Posted by: Romeo13 at March 20, 2013 02:42 PM (lZBBB)

344 Well I've never been to Spain, but I kinda like the music.

Posted by: Count de Monet at March 20, 2013 02:45 PM (BAS5M)

345 322 "An evolutionary chimp could be a star on that show."

Sounds like a lot of

*sunglasses*

monkey business.

YEEEEAAAAAHHHHHHH!!!!

Posted by: Horatio Caine at March 20, 2013 02:49 PM (YpecZ)

346 The thing that irks me about people who label themselves "Environmentalists" is that it is believe everything even if it ludicrous and the science does not stand (but don't call it faith).  And the sanctimony!  It is not like humble faith, but a cult.

So say I do the things I see as beneficial for the environment (like compost, recycle have good garden management, ride my bike around instead of tooling around in my car - whatever it may be), but I disagree that the oceans will swell and flood the earth in less than a decade because I drive an SUV and think carbon credits are a scam then all that I do is for not in their eyes.  It is laughable.

I live among Prius Villains who drive to the corner market feeling all high and mighty but suck down 20 cardboard cups of Starbucks a week ad do all sorts of other things they seem to deem as OK because they drive a Prius and eat grassfed beef and sustainably grown carrots while chanting some quote from Michael Pollan.  And I know this because they tell me.

Enviropietism.  I just made up a word.

Maybe it is only like that out here in Kookville.


Posted by: shan at March 20, 2013 02:53 PM (V9MHw)

347 190 - the theme from Jaws.  A classic.

Posted by: shan at March 20, 2013 03:00 PM (V9MHw)

348 Liberals think the environment is extremely fragile and can be destroyed with the slightest of disruptions, but civilization is robust and inevitable and can be endlessly tinkered with and remolded without risk. I think the evidence shows exactly the opposite.

Posted by: Socratease at March 20, 2013 03:10 PM (3V4IJ)

349 @357

They believe that human beings are the only animal that is better off in an artificial environment.

Posted by: gastorgrab at March 20, 2013 03:15 PM (FX38i)

350 I wouldn't mind modern-day environmental pagans so much if it wasn't for their insistence on the bloody sacrifices of others.

Posted by: troyriser at March 20, 2013 03:22 PM (vtiE6)

351 This modern day race inquisition politely couched as diversity, really chaps my ass to no end as well.

You're different.  We get it.  Now get over yourself already. 

Have a government cookie.

Posted by: Fritz at March 20, 2013 03:33 PM (WM+rJ)

352 OH HAY GUYZ ARE WE DEBATING EVOLUTION IN HERE MIND IF I JOIN IN??

Posted by: Jeff B., who knows a fight he can clean up on when he sees it at March 20, 2013 03:34 PM (/COnL)

353 I thought it was  "Derpin'  Safari ".

Posted by: seamrog at March 20, 2013 03:37 PM (zXiv5)

354 330 Electromagnetism can be proven and observed.

We observe its apparent effects on our instruments and things. 

Our instruments are a subset of all possible instruments, and our things (available elements and subatomics available in this corner of the universe) are a subset of all possible things.

Which is to say, there MAY be more to electromagnetism that we're currently capable of understanding.  We MAY just be seeing a subset of it.

Posted by: @PurpAv at March 20, 2013 03:42 PM (/gHaE)

355 If evolution as taught by the lefties falls, then we have taken the cornerstone out of their foundation AND THEY SHALL SURELY BE DESTROYED. My guess it's going to take another 50-100 years and some brave, brave souls. They have already started up that hill. 

Posted by: Prescient11 at March 20, 2013 06:23 PM (tVTLU)

Communism/socialism is still alive and kicking, so being intellectually untenable is unfortunately no hindrance to bad ideas.   

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at March 20, 2013 03:57 PM (v3pYe)

356 If politics can be equated with religion, then the Progressives are the modern version of the Medieval Catholic Church, replete with high priests, unshakeable dogma, a Byzantine succession model and an inquisition.

I mean, look at how climate skeptics are treated?

Posted by: Maus at March 20, 2013 03:59 PM (amo0F)

357 "One more point: Cognitive theorist Jonathan Haidt says that all humans think in terms of six basic moral goods, and that liberals differ from conservatives primarily in how they prioritize those moral goods. For example, he says liberals rate the "sanctity/purity" moral good quite low, as compared to conservatives.

I don't believe that for a red-hot second. I think liberals rate purity/sancticy extremely high, but they counterfeit this belief to themselves, because they've been taught that sanctity/purity is an indulgence of the weak-minded religious types. But while they deny that impulse, they actually act upon it, directing their sanctity/purity impulses not towards sexual restraint (as a religious person might) but towards health of the environment and health of the body."





I was thinking about this point in a slightly different context the other day. Some study showed that liberals brains didn't light up nearly as much as conservatives when "scary" images were shown, thus "proving" that liberals are brave badasses and conservatives are bedwetting pansies. BUT, the images they showed were of things that liberals have trained themselves not to fear. Show a bunch of liberals pictures of corporate logos or oil refineries or guns and their fear centers would light up like Christmas trees.

Posted by: BS Inc. at March 20, 2013 04:12 PM (gZ2Xq)

358 Ace, you can kick back and put your feet on the desk now, if you like... this one blog post should allow you to repeat as best blog again next year.

Posted by: fabrexe at March 20, 2013 04:17 PM (npxIc)

359 Christians had to go through a long stage of persecution, crucifiction, and death.  When do the environmentalist reach this stage? 

Posted by: Icedog at March 20, 2013 04:27 PM (ZolUS)

360 I had heard Crichton's heirs yanked this from his website and I checked they did. There is a panel discussion where he sorta kinda thinks global warming has a point.

Posted by: madamex at March 20, 2013 04:35 PM (Yx0Sd)

361 Two of us on the Sunday book thread are halfway through Coolidge. I'm kinda torn because I'm past due on it and there are holds, so I can't renew it. I wanted to buy it anyway, so I may just do that.

I think it's an important book, because it explains the economic boom in the 20s. Coolidge was serious about balancing the budget and cutting the excesses left over from WWI. He was an interesting guy too. He broke up a strike by the police, who had legitimate grievances, because he felt they did not have the right to leave the public at risk. The main problem I have with the book is that you sometimes lose his place in history and forget the other things going on in the country at that time.  I would recommend it, and it's definitely well written. It's just that Coolidge is not going to be one of the most exciting bios you'll ever read

Posted by: notsothoreau at March 20, 2013 04:53 PM (5HBd1)

362 These are various forms of paganism. Someone came to my door not too long ago and asked for a donation to ban plastic grocery bags. I said I wasn't interested. She replied, "Don't you BELIEVE in saving the earth?" It is a religion. It is belief.

Posted by: Californio at March 20, 2013 05:17 PM (2eIwi)

363
  Please DO discuss evolution--I want to see how different it will be than the messes I used to see at LGF--and there is no sarcasm intended here.

Posted by: irongrampa at March 20, 2013 05:20 PM (SAMxH)

364

Uncanny.  For years, I've said "they should get a REAL/fake religion" of the enviro-authoritarians.  For it's clear, per Crichton, Ace, and others, that many of the crusades of the contemporary authoritarians ("progressives" or in PJ O'Rourke's very memorable phrase, "compassion fascists") do in fact seem to represent religious undertakings.

 

My/Ace's/Crichton's/others' observation is both basic and critical, but I think it's important not to let it be misconstrued as lazy, derogatory reductionism.  In English, that means we're not "explaining away" these peoples' beliefs and actions in some way that's indirect, demeaning, and fails to address the substance of their mindset (the "they need to get laid" approach).  On the contrary.   

 

It's the clear lack of scientific rigor, and in many cases outright fraud, sloppiness, and tendentious distortion - with the icing on top of arrogance and authoritarian presumption - that we can and do confront and crush, easily.

 

AGW is a ridiculous mess of a "theory", that fails the most basic standards of scientific method and logic, from the outset.  Even to a non-scientist, it's pretty stunning.  It would have been ridiculed and deconstructed instantly in high school science, in my day. 

 

So it's not that these people need a "real" fake or real religion - though that seems often to be the case.  It's that even the most sober, "scientific" presentation of their argument (AGW, lead poisoning for CA condors, "fragility" of most ecosystems, etc.) is extremely unpersuasive and lacking in seriousness.

 

Justice Roberts may have come up with his ridiculous "opinion" re taxes and Obamacare because he's a coward and/or a foolish strategist, but that's of no interest.  It's the substantive emptiness and even silliness of his ruling (federal tax law is actually pretty simple, and he completely and literally just made shit up to dress up an indefensible bit of reasoning) that matter, and that must be exposed.

 

 

Posted by: non-purist at March 20, 2013 05:34 PM (afQnV)

365 "It is a religion. It is belief."

------

....and beliefs don't require any objective proof.  They "have faith" that "the science is settled".

Beliefs and Opinions are choices.  They are the very definition of SUBjective.  And through the used of government authority, of subjection.

Posted by: gastorgrab at March 20, 2013 05:39 PM (FX38i)

366 111
TL;DR.

I'll wait until this movie hits BitTorrent.

------------

We'll be waiting, too.

Posted by: MPAA at March 20, 2013 05:44 PM (UNFot)

367 Rush came up with this Global Warming/Environmentalist shit vs. Christianity similarity several years ago. Nice to know you finally fucking caught onto it. Try to keep up, okay.

Posted by: Corona at March 20, 2013 06:57 PM (fh2Y7)

368 Ever notice that when something happens that flies in the face of their panic, like finding a previously thought extinct animal, they think of a million reasons why it's false or means nothing?  It proves to me they need the mystery and the fear. It's a cargo cult.


Posted by: PJ at March 20, 2013 09:27 PM (ZWaLo)

369

I'll disagree about environmentalism as religion.

Religious believe supposes that all who adhere will be saved.

Environmentalism is about polarization, about carving out pristine areas for the elites, free from over population.

Environmentalism doesn't want to save everybody.  It is about segregation, and different standards of living.

Posted by: mike oh at March 20, 2013 11:36 PM (0gLFC)

370 Isn't Michael Crichton the kind of guy you just want to slap around? MD, PhD, books, movies, almost 7 feet tall. Rich. And in this case, very right.

Posted by: AlanR at March 21, 2013 04:47 AM (dS4CN)

371 Rush came up with this Global Warming/Environmentalist shit vs. Christianity similarity several years ago. Nice to know you finally fucking caught onto it. Try to keep up, okay.

Posted by: Corona at March 20, 2013 10:57 PM (fh2Y7)

 

Okay. Burn with inexplicable resentments much?

Posted by: troyriser at March 21, 2013 05:49 AM (vtiE6)

372 In the end Crichton was killed by the environment, he died of cancer.

Posted by: occam at March 21, 2013 06:14 AM (GUG2O)

373 >>>Rush came up with this Global Warming/Environmentalist shit vs. Christianity similarity several years ago. Nice to know you finally fucking caught onto it. Try to keep up, okay. Hipster Conservatism much?

Posted by: ace at March 21, 2013 06:21 AM (LCRYB)

374 >>>sn't Michael Crichton the kind of guy you just want to slap around? MD, PhD, books, movies, almost 7 feet tall. Rich. And in this case, very right. he was an interesting guy because he was always taking an interest in interesting ideas.

Posted by: ace at March 21, 2013 06:22 AM (LCRYB)

375 >>>I don't know - you could also make the case that this is mostly a way of signalling extreme fitness to women and others in the warrior caste - a behavioral form of the male peacock's tail. And if that results in a higher likelihood of them passing on their genes, then it is 'rational' in the evolutionary sense. right but fine, in that case it's still "rational" in the selfish way. There is actually often a benefit to moral behavior, even if it's not a direct benefit.

Posted by: ace at March 21, 2013 06:26 AM (LCRYB)

376 Best post of the year. Decade. Century. I tried to make this point in a comment a few months ago. I'm sorry if someone made this point, I don't have time to read all 384 comments. However, it's fairly obvious that so-called atheists or agnostics would attempt to deny this argument. They only want the information that soothes their ego. This is the truth underlying the digital age - that most people are able to very carefully select their diet of information to find exactly what they want to read/watch to make themselves feel good about their choices. There is no concept of "I've done wrong." They just want to redefine "wrong."

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