1 First-ish

2 Were I King of America, then, I wouldn't have any hesitation about deporting any of these guys You would destroy our university system?

3 I wouldn't have any hesitation about deporting any of these guys One only hesitates when they're tallying up the votes in the (D) column.

4 Does Michael Moynihan speak Arabic or Farsi or any other language from countries that have a high percentage of Muslims? Yammering away in English on Facebook certainly doesn't seem like the best bet if one wanted to investigate this.

5 They should be annihilated like the cockroaches they are.

6 As we often say in another context, "Nuke 'em 'til they glow, then shoot 'em in the dark."

7

there is a server company in NJ that is the host for a number of jihadi websites which are passing the bomb makers cookbook around.  The feds used to shut these websites and servers down.  Now, they leave them up and "monitor" them.

 

The federal "monitoring" of speedbump didn't work so well.  I do not think this will either. 

8 >>>Does Michael Moynihan speak Arabic or Farsi or any other language from countries that have a high percentage of Muslims? Yammering away in English on Facebook certainly doesn't seem like the best bet if one wanted to investigate this. I don't know. As he didn't say he did I assume he didn't.

9 The old axiom "misery loves company" comes to mind. 


When I sit back and reflect in quiet moments, I imagine that something quite like this happens with the hard left on abortion. 


It's unbelievable that there are entire subcultures, and indeed, cultures, so centered around an unrelenting, perverse fascination with death. 



But then, there is no evil that mankind will not commit, is there?

10 4 Plenty of radical English speaking Palistanis in the UK.

11 10 Pakistanis.

12 Who? What?

13 I say hijack the accounts of many of the more prolific posters and declare themselves reformed and turned against violent jihad.  That should dispirit and confuse the others.

14 @7  Wasn't Fast & Furious a "monitor" job too? How'd that work out?

15

from the article:

Violent radicalism is very much a minority phenomenon in Islam, of course. According to a poll recently released by the Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life, “in most countries where the question was asked, roughly three quarters or more Muslims reject suicide bombing and other forms of violence against civilians.”

 

 

Uhhhh

Uhhhhh

 

somewhere between 20-25% of people NOT rejecting those claims is a PRETTY BIG FUCKING NUMBER.

I'm just saying.

Go ahead, poll Christians, Jews, and even atheists, I'd bet upwards of 99% would reject suicide bombing and other forms of violence against civilians.

16 Reading Israeli and IDF sites, alot of the dead children photos are stock footage from prior conflicts and are meant to mislead.

17 I just mean that it's a well-known dynamic that as a fringe group becomes more fringe, the beliefs of that group tend to harden even further, and anger and resentment towards the non-fringe majority grows.

I've occasionally wondered if we're the fringe anymore.

I mean, we're right and just and Founders and prinicples and all, but that didn't help Sophie Scholl.

18 4 Does Michael Moynihan speak Arabic or Farsi or any other language from countries that have a high percentage of Muslims? Yammering away in English on Facebook certainly doesn't seem like the best bet if one wanted to investigate this.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at May 06, 2013 01:29 PM (ltIcm)

There are also translation programs all over the place, I think the one I used to use for some Spanish was Babelfish, or something.  I would just "bump around", not saying much.  Not so much an "infiltration" as an "investigation", I suppose.

19 They needed to convince themselves, however little effort that may have taken, that the people they would be targeting with their bombs were not human, more like a clump of cells with no soul.

20 Just wanted to jump in here to say that Michael Moynihan is a boss.  He was fantastic with Reason, he was fantastic in ending that little shitstain Jonah Lehrer's career, he's a friendly guy in person, and he reliably cranks out entertaining, compelling journalism. 

You could do a lot worse than to just go over to the Daily Beast (I know, I know...) and click on his byline to read whatever he's written in the past few months.

21 16 Yeah but those retards buy any propaganda they are sold.Jihadis(the foot soldiers at least) are not very bright.

22 What worries me are the Tammy is Innocent and Jahar is too Cute to be a Terrorist meme already on the internet. And if I hear about their poor poor mother again, I will hur.

23 was ceaseless images of dead children, mostly killed by Syrian President Bashar al-Assad. Everywhere I clicked, there were piles of murdered children; their limbs twisted and bloodless faces staring past the camera. With every login, there were dozens more, blurring into one easily recalled composite dead child. Flat. Out. Savages.

24 “in most countries where the question was asked, roughly three quarters or more Muslims reject suicide bombing and other forms of violence against civilians.”

Obligatory:
http://is.gd/G0K6Mc

"The only demographic cohort we saw where murderous random violence had a majority support was among 18-35 year old male followers of the Wisconsin Synod," said Kohut. "And that was barely above the margin of error. Even then, fewer than half (41% to 46%) said they would personally volunteer to carry out the violence themselves."

25

Murder porn?

Bob Dole can't get it up for normal porn.

26 >>>I've occasionally wondered if we're the fringe anymore. We're certainly a fringe in one aspect: The dominant *media* culture, which is, for all practical purposes, the culture in which we exist, is thoroughly against us and dismisses us as fringe as furiously as it can. It's always amazing to me when the hegemonic media takes a proposition upon which the country is either evenly split or is a 45-55 thing and dismisses half the country, or 45%, or even 55% (!!!), as fringe! What they mean is "We don't know anyone who thinks this way so as far as we're concerned it's fringe."

27 OT but Watts up with that? has a guest blogger refute the latest stupidity from David Sirota I mentioned in the previous thread.

28

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs to skip the beer and go straight to tequila at May 06, 2013 01:34 PM (ZKzrr)

 

Once again an Iowa Hawk Parody becomes reality in a short period of time.

29 26 They are trying to marginalize the right,and have succeeded to a large extent.

30 >> Just wanted to jump in here to say that Michael Moynihan is a boss. Yup. Moynihan's a good egg. http://ace.mu.nu/archives/297200.php

31

 

JIHADI MOTEL -

Fuckers of Goats check in...

but they don't check out.

32 Drew said we better not make shit up about Benghazi,military action wasn't possible right? From Instapundit: CBS News: Diplomat: U.S. Special Forces told “you can’t go” to Benghazi during attacks. “The deputy of slain U.S. Ambassador Christopher Stevens has told congressional investigators that a team of Special Forces prepared to fly from Tripoli to Benghazi during the Sept. 11, 2012 attacks was forbidden from doing so by U.S. Special Operations Command South Africa. The account from Gregory Hicks is in stark contrast to assertions from the Obama administration, which insisted that nobody was ever told to stand down and that all available resources were utilized. Hicks gave private testimony to congressional investigators last month in advance of his upcoming appearance at a congressional hearing Wednesday.” UPDATE: CNN: Former Deputy Chief of Mission in Libya: U.S. Military Assets Were Told to Stand Down.

33

"Deeply disturbed persons can accept one of two propositions: Either they are deeply disturbed, or they are Heroes, and their lunacy, hatred, and bloodlust are actually virtues."

 

 

Ace, wasn't this sentence supposed to be in the Bill Ayers' post?

 

 

I'm just sayin'.

34 right?! this must be some crazy cables thing.

35 Making The Right --"The Fringe" is all part of their peer pressure style of--"Get Out The Vote".

36 One other point he makes, in passing, is that his experience made him more paranoid. He encountered a bunch of screen-names which he felt were too over the top to be real.


CharlieBrown'sDildo?   Gotta be a narc from Chris Christie's old federal prosecutor's office.


BCochran1981?   Dept of Justice agent.  He's even admitted he went to law school ferchrissakes!!!


sven?   NSA guy.   Ain't nobody can understand his gibberish!



Anna Puma?  Tank Division, Far East Asian office.



Me?  CSIS special agent.

37 What they mean is "We don't know anyone who thinks this way so as far as we're concerned it's fringe."

Posted by: ace at May 06, 2013 01:35 PM (LCRYB)

 

Heh.  This is true.

I'd note a few things about Moynihan's article though.

1) Presumably he's dead set against Jihad.  So by default any propaganda for it is going to look like preaching to the choir because his own biases are so tilted such as to be hard to be convinced. (Although the paranoia thing is interesting.)  I'm not saying it's a bad experiment, I'm merely taking his "this couldn't convert someone" thing with a heavy dose of salt.

However, for someone who isn't all the way to the far side of "bad" on the good/bad continuum, these things might in fact sway them. It's really hard to say. I'm not saying it's a bad experiment, I'm merely taking his "this couldn't convert someone" thing with a heavy dose of salt.

2) I'm always leery about portraying the radicals as "against culture." I'm pretty against the current direction of American culture as well.  However, the stark differences are: I plan to try to change it by voting, arguing my position with people, and raising kids (hopefully eventually) who are taught that there's a better life path than Sex, drugs, and Government handouts.

The crazy Islamists plan to kill people who disagree with them.  My point here is that the category of "hate the western culture" may be far to broad of a brushstroke to be painting with. (Although I supposed I'd note that Islamist hating the culture has an entirely different ontology doesn't it?)

38 You would destroy our university system?

Posted by: t-bird at May 06, 2013 01:27 PM (FcR7P)

-----

....psssssssttttttttttt...... 

......its already broken......

39 JIHADI MOTEL - Fuckers of Goats check in... but they don't check out. Free goats! Why leave?!

40 Regarding the dead children: if the rebels are hiding behind civilians to attack, I'm not sure it is the government's fault if they are casualties.

41 I just mean that it's a well-known dynamic that as a fringe group becomes more fringe, the beliefs of that group tend to harden even further, and anger and resentment towards the non-fringe majority grows. An ego-protecting mentality takes hold and the fringe belief is infused with heroism.

So, you're saying they're liberals then? 

Concur.  The two have much in common beyond nihilism and narcissism.

42 Me? CSIS special agent.

Posted by: EC at May 06, 2013 01:42 PM (GQ8sn)

-----

Ergie..... semi-seismic volcano....

43 CharlieBrown'sDildo? Gotta be a narc from Chris Christie's old federal prosecutor's office. BCochran1981? Dept of Justice agent. He's even admitted he went to law school ferchrissakes!!! sven? NSA guy. Ain't nobody can understand his gibberish! Anna Puma? Tank Division, Far East Asian office. Me? CSIS special agent. Posted by: EC at May 06, 2013 01:42 PM (GQ8sn) Ok, that's pretty damn funny.

44

What the Fringe Left is really good at doing these days is jumping up and   down with  a large sign and a bullhorn, screaming, "We're the majority!!!11! And anybody who doesn't agree with   us is are FRINGE and  H8TERS!!!1!"

 

They just want us to think that we're the fringe extremists. Notice   the rapidity  with which   this false meme has been  spread. It wasn't that long ago that anyone who said animals should  have rights, and that  mankind could affect the climate of the entire world would be laughed   out of the bar.  Nowadays, you're  on the "fringe" if you think the Constitution should be followed. How fucked up is that?

 

We're being manipulated by the Leftards in the MFM. We are not in the minority. If we were, this would be a much different  country.

45 Posted by: steevy at May 06, 2013 01:39 PM (9XBK2)


Now, see, this is the kind of thing that should merit lifetime incarceration, if not execution.  This is outright betrayal. 


Instead, the talking heads will speak of 'resignations' if they speak about it at all.  o.o

46

Posted by: EC at May 06, 2013 01:42 PM (GQ8sn)

 

There's a great webcomic, I think it was Saturday Morning Breakfast cereal, where a group of guy are sitting around getting ready to "hack" something.  They're talking utter nonsense, then they all pull out guns and announce their from various agencies getting ready to arrest the "Real" hacker (which of course doesn't exist, all the moles had caught each other)

I'm wondering if this has ever happened in real life (given the organizational level of the federal government, I'm guessing "yes")

47 there is a server company in NJ that is the host for a number of jihadi websites which are passing the bomb makers cookbook around. The feds used to shut these websites and servers down. Now, they leave them up and "monitor" them.

The federal "monitoring" of speedbump didn't work so well. I do not think this will either.

It's almost impossible to stop someone from opening a website.  Shut down the NJ server, they'll start up on another either in the US or elsewhere.

We see the same thing with filesharing sites- shut one down, another immediately pops up somewhere else.

48 UPDATE: CNN: Former Deputy Chief of Mission in Libya: U.S. Military Assets Were Told to Stand Down. Posted by: steevy at May 06, 2013 01:39 PM (9XBK2) **************** Holy hell. I have to go read that. The Deputy Chief of the Libyan mission--he's going to testify on Wednesday, right? Can't remember his name right now. Also--these witnesses are not the same as the people Toensing wants to represent--right? And, still FOX's Brit sources have not been named or told what they know. Ugh--sorry about all the questions.

49 CharlieBrown'sDildo? Gotta be a narc from Chris Christie's old federal prosecutor's office.


BCochran1981? Dept of Justice agent. He's even admitted he went to law school ferchrissakes!!!


sven? NSA guy. Ain't nobody can understand his gibberish!


Anna Puma? Tank Division, Far East Asian office.


Me? CSIS special agent.



Posted by: EC at May 06, 2013 01:42 PM (GQ8sn)


Ok, that's pretty damn funny.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at May 06, 2013 01:44 PM (da5Wo)

Oh yeah...forgot:

Sean Bannion?  Mall cop.

*runs*

50 Were I King of America, then, I wouldn't have any hesitation about deporting any of these guys, or jailing them for the maximum sentence permissible for any infraction I found them to have committed.
============
I've got a Bill for that.

And by "deport" I mean, "grant amnesty and make them citizens."

And of course you'll have to good sense not to mention my Bill doesn't even require a background check, won't you?

51 Sean Bannion? Mall cop. *runs* Posted by: EC at May 06, 2013 01:45 PM (GQ8sn)

That's what I want you to think.

52 Sean Bannion? Mall cop.
*runs*

Posted by: EC at May 06, 2013 01:45 PM (GQ8sn)

Doesn't he have access to the Ravage?  O.o Was that really a good idea? 

Should probably make a brownie donation to alextopia posthaste.  It might get you outta trouble.

53 That's what I want you to think.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at May 06, 2013 01:47 PM (sbV1u)

Observe and report, dude!

54 Doesn't he have access to the Ravage? O.o Was that really a good idea?

Only Teh Alex has release authority.

55 there is a server company in NJ that is the host for a number of jihadi websites which are passing the bomb makers cookbook around. The feds used to shut these websites and servers down. Now, they leave them up and "monitor" them. The federal "monitoring" of speedbump didn't work so well. I do not think this will either. Posted by: thunderb at May 06, 2013 01:29 PM (nH8jP) I'm blanking on the name of the program right now but didn't it turn out that the major source for purchasing encryption keys and credit card numbers and the like turned out to be run by the FBI out of an office building in Pittsburgh? I'm also thinking of the person in Germany who put a request online to find a person to kill and then eat who found someone who wanted to be killed and then eaten. The awesome thing about the internet is that people with like interests can find one another. That's also the horrific thing about the internet.

56 deputy Chief of Station is Hicks, and he is Toensing's client

57 Sean Bannion? Mall cop.
*runs*


A brisk walk would suffice.

58

America herself is hated by some of those we let into our country...

 

We really need to rethink the looser idea of citizenship that we now have.

 

It used to be, you were a US citizen, you could not be anything else... you HAD to give up your other citizenship... but the Courts changed that requirement...

 

We also allow over 1 MILLION LEGAL immigrants in per year... add in the illegals... and over a 30 year period (a generation) we are allowing 10% of our population to be foreign born... we just cannot assimilate that many foreign born citizens....

59 My Queen?

May I have authorization to borrow the Ravage for a little "off ledger" work?

It shouldn't take long.

60 And they're off!

61 I'm also thinking of the person in Germany who put a request online to find a person to kill and then eat who found someone who wanted to be killed and then eaten.

The awesome thing about the internet is that people with like interests can find one another. That's also the horrific thing about the internet.

I wonder if they had a "safe word".

62 As per the accusations above, I have no idea what you're talking about. By the way, your hard drive will need replacing in the next three months. Don't ask how I know.

63 Meghan Kelly is killing Ayers right now

64 The awesome thing about the internet is that people with like interests can find one another. That's also the horrific thing about the internet.


You have no idea...

65

I deem this post and all comments as racist and islamophobic

you are BANNED

66

There's been an appalling dearth of Ric Flair - 'Whoo!' s around here, lately. 

Also, cowbell...

 

Just sayin'.

67 Bill Ayers? Never heard of him.

68 Which is to say: it seemed implausible that the Web had somehow made Tamerlan and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev into jihadists. But it did strike me that the world of online jihad could have had another effect on the Boston bombers: it might well have inured them to violence.



This is precisely why we need to get guns out of the hands of the Tea Partiers.

69 UPDATE: CNN: Former Deputy Chief of Mission in Libya: U.S. Military Assets Were Told to Stand Down.

Posted by: steevy

Yeah, this is kinda just slightly more important than what we've heard so far.

Prolly worth of another poat.

70

MSNBC needs to do something use and do a series:

 

To Catch A  Jihadi

71 I deem this post and all comments as racist and islamophobi you are BANNED Posted by: navycopjoe at May 06, 2013 01:50 PM (4GtoN)

All comments?

All?  Really?

This might be the first self-banning in the history of AoSHQ

72

Drew M hardest hit

73 My Queen? May I have authorization to borrow the Ravage for a little "off ledger" work? It shouldn't take long. Posted by: Sean Bannion at May 06, 2013 01:49 PM (sbV1u) Sure! *gets noble all over the place* There's been an appalling dearth of Ric Flair - 'Whoo!' s around here, lately. Also, cowbell... Just sayin'. Posted by: garrett at May 06, 2013 01:50 PM (TyW3A) *sigh* I miss the Blago skull.

74 Posted by: Couch, horse, and garbage pile fuckers at May 06, 2013 01:50 PM (GQ8sn)



Hey, come on now, everybody needs a social life.

75 71  mall cops hit hardest I guess

76 56 deputy Chief of Station is Hicks, and he is Toensing's client Posted by: thunderb at May 06, 2013 01:48 PM (nH8jP) *********** Damn it was afraid of that. I was hoping for more witnesses. Thanks--I'm trying to catch up. There is this from steevy's first article. “The Libyans that I talked to and the Libyans and other Americans who were involved in the war have told me also that Libyan revolutionaries were very cognizant of the impact that American and NATO airpower had with respect to their victory,” Greg Hicks, then the US deputy chief of mission in Libya, told investigators on April 11 of this year. “They are under no illusions that American and NATO airpower won that war for them. And so, in my personal opinion, a fast mover flying over Benghazi at some point, you know, as soon as possible might very well have prevented some of the bad things that happened that night.” The few snippets of Dempsey's testimony--one commenter noticed he uses weasel words--they never mention air support, Dempsey always talks about "forces"--so he does weasel in the brief bits I can find.

77 MSNBC needs to do something use and do a series:

To Catch A Jihadi

Posted by: polynikes at May 06, 2013 01:51 PM (m2CN7)

Have a seat.  Go on, have a seat.  Ok, so you show up with a pressure cooker in your backpack to do........what exactly?

78

we just cannot assimilate that many foreign born citizens....

Posted by: Romeo13 at May 06, 2013 01:49 PM (lZBBB)

In my experience, immigrants from socialist shitholes understand the American experiment better than most of the natural born pukes here.

79 This might be the first self-banning in the history of AoSHQ Posted by: Sean Bannion at May 06, 2013 01:52 PM (sbV1u) Remember, ace got banned from his own blog.

80 I think the question that a young person first has to answer is: Why am I such a loser?

At some point, most of us run up against the fact that whatever we dreamed or whatever was dreamed for us isn't true.

Most people slowly adjust their expectations but for a few they need something -- a conspiracy, an enemy. Or they need a cause, something in which they can be noble and elevated above normal people.

That's where Islam comes in.  In Islam, none of it is your fault, it's Teh Joos or Teh West or women or pigs or whatever.

It also gives you a cause.  And because the ends justify the means, there is no problem with the fact that you're killing people in the name of God.

Of course, the same can be said of Marxism.  It has conspiracies, prophecies and an ends-justify-the-means philosophy that encourages violence and destruction in the name of an ephemeral righteousness.

81 The awesome thing about the internet is that people with like interests can find one another. That's also the horrific thing about the internet. I don't think I like where this is going...

82 Sure! *gets noble all over the place*  Posted by: alexthechick - Bring the SMOD at May 06, 2013 01:52 PM (VtjlW)

Thank you, my Queen.

*slides mountainous platter of lemon bars*

....

Polly!  Ripper!  Slayer!

CHOW TIME!!!!!

83 Have a seat. Go on, have a seat. Ok, so you show up with a pressure cooker in your backpack to do........what exactly?

Posted by: Chris Hansen at May 06, 2013 01:53 PM (GQ8sn)

 

heh

84 Remember, ace got banned from his own blog.

Posted by: alexthechick - Bring the SMOD at May 06, 2013 01:53 PM (VtjlW)

Petard.  Hoisted.

85 48 Here's the link to the CNN piece. http://tinyurl.com/ckvl8y2

86 Drew M hardest hit

Posted by: thunderb

Huh? What did I miss?

87 Remember, ace got banned from his own blog. Posted by: alexthechick - Bring the SMOD at May 06, 2013 01:53 PM (VtjlW)

Ah yes.

And a good time was had by all as I recall.

88 78  add that to DrewM screwing up the format and getting barrel time in the "we won the best blog award" post

89 MSNBC needs to do something use and do a series:

To Catch A Jihadi


Hi, how you doing?  Why don't you take off that suicide vest and have a seat right there.

90 There's been an appalling dearth of Ric Flair - 'Whoo!' s around here, lately.
Also, cowbell...


I remember watching Sue Myrick read a proclamation of Ric Flair Day into the Congressional Record. It was in 2007 or 08.


Watching this stodgy old lady say 'Woo!' on C-Span: Priceless.

91 Ah yes.

And a good time was had by all as I recall.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at May 06, 2013 01:55 PM (sbV1u)

Ace trying to convince the horde he was really him using a new temporary nic while he got his credentials sorted.

92

"Server company in NJ"?

 

We have to host them here, so we don't have to fight them there. Or something.

93 Remember, ace got banned from his own blog. Posted by: alexthechick - Bring the SMOD at May 06, 2013 01:53 PM (VtjlW) No one sentence could sum up this hive of scum and villainy better than that.

94 Posted by: Chris Hansen at May 06, 2013 01:53 PM (GQ8sn)


Bastige!

95 AtC -- Mata Hari

96 Bastige!

Posted by: Chris Hansen at May 06, 2013 01:56 PM (8ZskC)

Why don't you have a seat over here and tell me what you're doing with a fake internet identity?

97 Huh? What did I miss?

Posted by: weft cut-loop at May 06, 2013 01:55 PM (Yr6sH)

 

He scolded people in a post about repeating the charges that the military could have responded in time. 

 

Besides this latest testimony, DrewM forgot that no one  knew what  'in time'  was going to be.   So regardless of the testimony, he was repeating the left's talking  points. 

98 I remember thgat F-16's were in Aviano but they were the "wrong platform".Total bullshit,anything overhead could have helped and the guys defending the annex had laser designators,F-16's can certainly drop LGB's.

99

I thought chris hanson was busy with 'to catch a show producer'

"why don't you sit right there and take off your bra"

100 It also gives you a cause. And because the ends justify the means, there is no problem with the fact that you're killing people in the name of God. Of course, the same can be said of Marxism. It has conspiracies, prophecies and an ends-justify-the-means philosophy that encourages violence and destruction in the name of an ephemeral righteousness. Posted by: AmishDude at May 06, 2013 01:53 PM (T0NGe)

Thus, confirming the point that liberalism and Islam are both mental illnesses.

I used to be of the opinion of Bernard Lewis that Islam has given comfort to millions over its history but was in danger of being swamped by Wahhabism.  Not anymore.

I think that ship has long since sailed, and Islam has been swamped by its radical elements for much - if not all - of its history.  There's just something wrong with a "faith" that cannot seem to accommodate itself to reality.

101 There were no appeals to reason here, and the content seemed intended for the already converted.

...And?

Acting like The Righteous (or whatever) is a group you're in and your potential audience isn't but they can join it by becoming your audience is vastly more persuasive than "reason." Terrorism needs fans, not Socratic-deal students.

This is so fundamental, almost anything provides an analogy. I'm listening to an old Kiss record right now. About half of the songs on it are somewhat threateningly making a promise to the suggestible listener, come along with us for scary good times that losers like your Daddy don't have. Gene Simmons knows how to recruit! Yeah, most people didn't hear "Ladies Room" and go buy more Kiss records. ("Why is there noise coming out of this comic book about transvestite Jews?!") But millions did.

102 With all the leaks about what the Deputy Ambassador is going to say, what will he be adding on Wednesday? And why leak it? Less bombshell-y? Get the pieces, not the picture?

103 He scolded people in a post about repeating the charges that the military could have responded in time. Besides this latest testimony, DrewM forgot that no one knew what 'in time' was going to be. So regardless of the testimony, he was repeating the left's talking points. Posted by: polynikes at May 06, 2013 01:57 PM (m2CN7) He also had a snit fit about it on twitter.

104 72 Drew M hardest hit Posted by: thunderb at May 06, 2013 01:52 PM (nH8jP) *************** Here's the thing-- Drew M. would have to have the highest security clearance in the land to know all of the assets that were or were not available, all of the locations of those assets and what was considered and rejected. There is no way he can know all of that--and the people with the upmost security clearances can answer for themselves . The reason we are left to our best guesses is because the Obama Administration has not been made to answer or held accountable by the American media at all. If the media had done its job in an equal fashion--as the last check on an Administration when applied in an un-bias fashion--we would not be left to speculate. The Obama Administration needs to answer to the electorate--after all it is suppose to be a government by the people, for the people.

105 ("Socratic-ideal," I mean.)

106 ,F-16's can certainly drop LGB's. Posted by: steevy at May 06, 2013 01:58 PM (9XBK2) Little Green Bastards?

107 They have already revealed motive and means; only opportunity awaits them. So when I watch You Porn, I am already a sick rapist? I was a afraid of that. What should I do, turn myself in?

108 I would like to mention that an earth shattering kaboom of non-SMOD origin is also acceptable - http://nbcnews.to/13Yxwrf .

109

97  DrewM forgot that no one knew what 'in time' was going to be.

 

not his fault that he doesn't know we have a lot of assets in Italy who are tasked with just that job

okay, it is his fault for not knowing that

but what do I know, I was just ASSIGNED TO ONE OF THOSE TEAMS

 

***spit****

110

rumor has it there are two more potential witnesses, both CIA.  So far no word on them.  I wish they would get Ham and Petraeus

111

Posted by: El Guapo at May 06, 2013 01:53 PM (Tcoim)

 

In small groups?  Yes...

 

As they become a larger and larger portion of the local population, the need to assimilate declines... and the culture of the area morphs...

 

I was born and raised in the Central Valley of California.... left for 30 years... came back to take care of my aging Mom... this place has CHANGED...

 

 

112 106 Those too,but mostly laser guided bombs.

113 Posted by: tasker at May 06, 2013 02:00 PM (r2PLg)

^^^THIS

::: thunderous applause ::::

114 So when I watch You Porn, I am already a sick rapist?

I was a afraid of that.

What should I do, turn myself in?


Welcome, Billy Bob.

115 I noticed the dead children story a few days ago and did not read the link. Just like I don't click on the link of Honey Boo Boo's mother's wedding. If I never see the Boo Boo familiy again in my peripheral vision I will be a happy woman. Propaganda is everywhere to influence. Whether it be dead Syrian children or wimmen who should stay away from cameras...it is everywhere. This, too, shall pass.

116

70 MSNBC needs to do something use and do a series:

To Catch A Jihadi

 

"...in you're text with our decoy you ask if the decoy prefers alfalfa or regular hay and that you'll bring the rubbers"

117 I think that ship has long since sailed, and Islam has been swamped by its radical elements for much - if not all - of its history. There's just something wrong with a "faith" that cannot seem to accommodate itself to reality.


What are you on about?

118

104  There is no way he can know all of that

actually, there were a lot of people here who have been stationed overseas who told him what and where

he didn't listen

119 I remember thgat F-16's were in Aviano but they were the "wrong platform".Total bullshit,anything overhead could have helped and the guys defending the annex had laser designators,F-16's can certainly drop LGB's.

Posted by: steevy at May 06, 2013 01:58 PM (9XBK2)

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Ok.... enough is enough..... why does EVERY thread here turn to gay bashing????   Who in their right mind would drop gay people from airplanes.

SHEEEEESH!!!!

120 Drew M. would have to have the highest security clearance in the land to know all of the assets that were or were not available, all of the locations of those assets and what was considered and rejected.



DrewM?   DoD Office of Inspector General lackey.

121 I've occasionally wondered if we're the fringe anymore.

That's 'heroic fringe' thank you very much.

122 This, too, shall pass. Posted by: ChristyBlinky, Sarcastic and Radicalized Redneck Queen at May 06, 2013 02:02 PM (baL2B)

Unfortunately, it will pass like a kidney stone.

123 Drew is one of those guys that is super concerned about being called a wingnut or some such.The left has no concerns,they are rife with whacky (really whacky) theories.

124 Besides this latest testimony, DrewM forgot that no one knew what 'in time' was going to be. So regardless of the testimony, he was repeating the left's talking points. Posted by: polynikes at May 06, 2013 01:57 PM (m2CN7) ****************** Add to that "timeline" the fact that Obama's second had put out a video message asking for an attack on American assets in Libya-- 18 hours before the attack. They could have moved a little forward in anticipation. Hell it was going to be 9/11, they had Obama's second targeting Libya 18 hours in advance for them, we had done the Libya intervention, there had been a string of attacks and even after Stevens is reported as missing-- Dempsey has a hard time prioritizing Libya--according to his testimony.

125 Steevy, as soon as ou see that wrong platform crap, then you know someone is rigging the scenario to produce the output some higher wants. You can see the artificial constraints just popping up now, ask Woods if he would cared which platform had been doing passes overhead.

126

Meghan Kelly is killing Ayers right now

 

With a hammer?  Please, please, please.

127

just a little joke, not meaning to crap all over Drew.  But were we ready to launch an invasion ala D Day in Benghazi?

 

no

 

would such a thing be necessary?

 

no

 

would a fly over have helped?

 

perhaps?

 

did we ask an ally with assets near by for help?

 

looks like no

 

is any of that a reason not to try?

 

no

128

Posted by: tasker at May 06, 2013 02:05 PM (r2PLg)

 

I like the freudian slips by the way. 

129 ask Woods if he would cared which platform had been doing passes overhead. Posted by: Jean at May 06, 2013 02:05 PM (LBUCy)

Damn straight.  If he had been told "danger close" is the best they could do, you would have called it anyway.

You can take that to the bank.

130

Here's the thing--

Drew M. would have to have the highest security clearance in the land to know all of the assets that were or were not available, all of the locations of those assets and what was considered and rejected.

There is no way he can know all of that--and the people with the upmost security clearances can answer for themselves .

 

 

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Still reacting to Drew's post yesterday, I'll write once again what I wrote yesterday. 

 

It's not whether or not military assets could have helped  in a timely manner in  Benghazi, the crime that this  regime committed is that they didn't even try.

131 somewhere between 20-25% of people NOT rejecting those claims is a PRETTY BIG FUCKING NUMBER.
I'm just saying.
Go ahead, poll Christians, Jews,and even atheists, I'd bet upwards of 99% would reject suicide bombing and other forms of violence against civilians.

Like with Marxism (and I cannot stress this parallel enough) the ones who "reject violence" mostly reject that they themselves commit or be involved with violence.

Because they are, essentially, tribal in their association with Islam, they see successful violence as a victory for their side.

It's like opposing Mengele's methods but using his tests and results in your own research.

132 Unfortunately, it will pass like a kidney stone. Posted by: Sean Bannion at May 06, 2013 02:04 PM (sbV1u) Barky has a blue pill for that. I have my weekly Junipero Gin that gives temporary amnesia as to the world ending and stuff like that.

133

Obama Schedule from whitehouse.gov:

 

Summer 2012.   Golf a lot.

September 11, 2012.   Benghazi.

Winter 2012-2013.   Golf a lot.

April 2013.   Boston.

Summer 2013.   Golf a lot? 

 

Connect.  The.   Dots.

 

 

 

 

134

Meghan Kelly is killing Ayers right now

"With a hammer? Please, please, please."

 

Who needs Viagra?

135 Steevy, the question to ask is when were the tankers launched. And, if not, who held them. You need tankers for everything, no harm in putting them up, the only reason not to is that the President has written you off.

136 It's not whether or not military assets could have helped in a timely manner in Benghazi, the crime that this regime committed is that they didn't even try.

This.

137

125  chance to be killed by F-16 dropped ordinance or guarantee of being killed by muzzie terrorists

not a hard decision

138 is any of that a reason not to try? no Posted by: thunderb at May 06, 2013 02:06 PM (nH8jP)

Shit, if nothing else, you get there ASAP for CASEVAC, and to chase the bad guys.

139 It's not whether or not military assets could have helped in a timely manner in Benghazi, the crime that this regime committed is that they didn't even try.


Jay-Z and Beyonce get pissed when they're made to wait.

140 DrewM? DoD Office of Inspector General lackey. Posted by: EC at May 06, 2013 02:04 PM (GQ8sn) ************ LOL! These job titles are cracking me up. I must be the translator becasuse I can speak "sven" occasionally.

141 An F-16 coming in at tree level with afterburners on would have scared the living fuck out of those towel heads even if he never dropped a single bomb. Take cover, clean pants would have been the order of the day.

142 130 Right they didn't try,their excuse is there were no assets.Prove that there were assets and the question than really becomes why they did nothing.

143 I must be the translator becasuse I can speak "sven" occasionally.


Tasker?   NSA signal intelligence analyst.

144 Right they didn't try,their excuse is there were no assets.Prove that there were assets and the question than really becomes why they did nothing.

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I seem to remember those nonexistent assets WANTING to go ..... and being told "no".

145 if nothing else, you get there fast to med evac the wounded and evac the rest.  According the Chaffetz, one guy is STILL in the hospital.  Perhaps if he were tended to more quickly, he would not be in the state he is in today

146 129 ask Woods if he would cared which platform had been doing passes overhead. Posted by: Jean at May 06, 2013 02:05 PM (LBUCy) ------------------- Damn straight. If he had been told "danger close" is the best they could do, you would have called it anyway. You can take that to the bank. Posted by: Sean Bannion at May 06, 2013 02:06 PM (sbV1u) If no help was available, why the fuck was the specops guy painting mortar positions with a laser?

147

>>>It's like opposing Mengele's methods but using his tests and results in your own research.

 

This is done. Same with all manner of horrible experiments, some of which the USA conducted. OT, anyway

148 It's not whether or not military assets could have helped in a timely manner in Benghazi, the crime that this regime committed is that they didn't even try.

Posted by: Soona

Actually with this latest bit, the O-ring is guilty of a worse charge They actively interrupted a rescue that was departing.

That's not negligence. It's aiding and abetting.

149

I also still want to know.... where the Hell was the US Navy when this thing was going down?

 

We ALWAYS have ships in the Med... and there are reports that we were monitoring merchent traffic out of Benghazi....

 

And a little 5 inch loving from a Cruiser or Destroyer would have effectivly ended the 'mortar' attack.... and that not to mention the ships Boarding Teams, Helicopter Assets... and the General 'the US Navy is here' which a Gun Platform brings (which tends to make bad guys suddenly decide they have better places to be).

150 Sean, a C21 with a flight attendant dropping mini bottles would have been enough to scare those clowns setting up the tubes.

151 This is done. Same with all manner of horrible experiments, some of which the USA conducted. OT, anyway

True, but it's supposed to be some sort of moral quandry at least.

152 I take it as a given that a large percentage of online jihadis are on our side trolling for the lone/isolated crazies.

A properly organized and implemented cell wouldn't touch any of that shit, and any cell members who showed a bit too much public enthusiasm would wind up victims of a "tragic random street mugging"

The good news?  The cell organizers with a few neurons to rub together who would have a clue about opsec ain't out getting their hands dirty much, and the dim bulbs they recruit are mostly fucking idiots who are generally easy to catch...

...if you're paying attention.

153 >> It's not whether or not military assets could have helped in a timely manner in Benghazi, the crime that this regime committed is that they didn't even try. Exactly. You don't know what "in time" is until it's over. What if, say, Woods and Doherty had been able to hold out for 18 hours and the attacks had continued the whole time? We apparently wouldn't have been one second closer to getting them any help.

154 If no help was available, why the fuck was the specops guy painting mortar positions with a laser?


To blind them in the eyes.

155 146 Probably thought help was surely on the way.What a fucking outrage.Yet Obama was re-elected.

156 I think some witnesses may disagree (hearing on Wed with Issa) that some form of help could have been sent to aid the two SEALS on the roof. We shall see. I think a couple of jets with missiles guided by drones would make some sense. Or a drone that shot in the general vicinity of the invading barbarians. Otherwise, what are we paying large bucks for security, and with video feeds watched live of invasions...I mean, this is not 1963. We have drones and satellites and high tech stuff, right? This is simply bs squared.

157

>>>True, but it's supposed to be some sort of moral quandry at least.

 

I dunno. You could argue that ignoring the resulting data is dishonoring the dead.

158

they gave the stand down order, because  in order to commit assetts, they would have to admit it was terrorism

 

they made a calculated decision to underplay it and hope the whole thing blew over

 

and it worked, at least until the election

159 150 Sean, a C21 with a flight attendant dropping mini bottles BACON would have been enough to scare those clowns setting up the tubes. FIFY.

160 It's not whether or not military assets could have helped in a timely manner in Benghazi, the crime that this regime committed is that they didn't even try. Posted by: Soona *********** Correct. During Operation Odyssey Dan in Libya we used air assets (although I think some of them were Frweench) against the Libyan Kaddafi forces attacking the Libyan rebels. So we used air assets to protect them. But when Americans are being attacked we cannot use air assets bought and paid for by the American public. What the hell are we maintaining the world's finest Air Force for and bases in Icirlik, Souda Bay, Crete, And Aviano for--to only protect rebels of Arabic origin?

161 Harrison Ford would have handled all of this very differently.

162

>>>I take it as a given that a large percentage of online jihadis are on our side trolling for the lone/isolated crazies.

 

EXACTLY

163 Right they didn't try,their excuse is there were no assets.Prove that there were assets and the question than really becomes why they did nothing.

Posted by: steevy at May 06, 2013 02:08 PM (9XBK2)

 

 

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As the narrative  at the time suggests, Gen. Ham was ready and willing.   What happened to him afterwards.   He was told to shut up and didn't.  Guess what the rest of the commanders in the region have been told.

 

 

164 JIHADI MOTEL -
Fuckers of Goats check in...
but they don't check out. Posted by: garrett at May 06, 2013 01:39 PM
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IT'S A GLUE TRAP!

165 Sean, a C21 with a flight attendant dropping mini bottles would have been enough to scare those clowns setting up the tubes. Posted by: Jean at May 06, 2013 02:13 PM (EYbqR)

Absolutely.  My point was the same as yours.  It didn't matter whether or not it was the biggest splash or the smallest - he would have gratefully taken ANY help.

166

Posted by: tasker at May 06, 2013 02:15 PM (r2PLg)

 

And whats really interesting...

 

The early Libya air campaign was NOT authorized by an Act of War, Congress, nor covered by the War Powers Act (as US Personel, nor territory, were under threat of attack).

 

But the attack on the Embassy, WOULD be covered under the War Powers Act... giving the President a free hand to send whatever he wanted... because Americans, and American Soil, was under attack...

 

So he pulls the trigger on an illegal Military action, but does NOT when Legal.

 

/Facepalm

167

could've flown from Incirlik, Aviano for sure.

 

When Quaddafi was being overthrown, the French oil companies had helos and other equipment on land and at sea.  IIRC the French sent military jets in order to secure their evacuation ASAP.  They only lost one helo.  No lives.

 

WTF?  We are bested by the French?  We can't respond better than they did?

168 And Sean, any sort of top cover might have changed their plans from Fort Apache to movement into space, where top cover could go hot. Pinning yourself in a box, is usually near the bottom of command options.

169 Drew M is concerned about looking like a wingnut,  except when he decides that the Newt is the only person who should be a candidate, or when he goes ballistic on immigration.

No consistency.  Very upsetting.

170 A) we never should have over thrown Kaddafi. He had already been neutered. B) we never should have armed the "Rebels" who where and still are radical islamists who hate everything about the West C) we then lost track of the weapons we gave them D) The islamist scum then started selling our weapons and kaddafi's weapons all over the Middle East E) We SHOULD have upgraded the security in Libya knowing what a dangerous place it had become F) obama is lying fuck and people died

171 I plugged off the shelf options into PFPS. Lots of shit could have gotten there. Don't we keep a ready ranger stick at Aviano?

172 Wasn't it cool that they at least got an unarmed drone overhead so they could watch them die, I bet there were little Marxists in the WH jerking off to that for weeks.

173 Anybody else have very low expectations for Wednesday? Sure, it's going to be good theater, but what do they expect to gain. Hopefully the truth, but what can happen to anybody?

174 could've flown from Incirlik, Aviano for sure.

If we or the Brits didn't have a Tomahawk launch capable asset somewhere within 500mi bobbing around in the Med, I'll eat my hat.  Tomahawk would be over the target within an hour or so.  They're a lot faster than the drones. 

Obviously we knew the coordinates.  Plunk one in the general vicinity every so often and the bad guys will clear out.  Lather rinse repeat until a reaction force is inbound and close.

We used to have a CBU's that dispensed CS and BZ submunition rather than splody bombs.  Fitting one of those to a Tomahawk that orbits a target might be something we want to look into...

175 You shoud look into how the Assasins worked (Ḥashshâshîn or Bâteniân).  same thing has been going on for a long time....