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September 30, 2013

MIT's Lindzen: IPCC Report "Hilariously Flawed"
— Ace

Indeed. Bear in mind, the IPCC is claiming that they are more sure than ever that warming is driven by carbon... despite the fact that there's a 17 year pause in warming and yet ever-increasing carbon.

And despite the fact all their models called for continued straight-line (mostly) warming.

So, having failed to predict anything, they claim they're more confident of their predictions than ever.

MIT Climate Scientist Dr. Richard Lindzen told Climate Depot on September 27, 2013:
I think that the latest IPCC report has truly sunk to level of hilarious incoherence. They are proclaiming increased confidence in their models as the discrepancies between their models and observations increase.
Their excuse for the absence of warming over the past 17 years is that the heat is hiding in the deep ocean. However, this is simply an admission that the models fail to simulate the exchanges of heat between the surface layers and the deeper oceans. However, it is this heat transport that plays a major role in natural internal variability of climate, and the IPCC assertions that observed warming can be attributed to man depend crucially on their assertion that these models accurately simulate natural internal variability. Thus, they now, somewhat obscurely, admit that their crucial assumption was totally unjustified.

Bear in mind this business about the deep oceans sequestering all that Global Warming!!! where we conveniently can't measure it is what we call a Pure Speculation.

There's no evidence for this. It's in the category of "Things Which Possibly Could Be True But We Have No Real Reason to Think Are True."

Thus, the Science Is Settled this-is-a-fact-not-a-hypothesis theory now relies, crucially, on Something They Just Made Up a Year Ago.

@comradearthur asks, "If the ocean sequesters heat (through processes we don't understand), could it be that at other times, it releases heat (through processes we also don't understand), thus accounting for 1975-1998's warming?"

Sure could be the case. When you're down to mere speculation, many things could be true.

But the Warmists insist that of all the out-of-your-ass speculations that you could make, only their preferred out-of-your-ass speculations -- the ones that don't directly rubbish their claims -- are "Science."

Um, no. This is all pure speculation. This is step one of the scientific process -- these are guesses.

Talk to me when you've gotten some evidence for your speculation. Let's at least get to Step 2 here.

More: ICYMI, Ga. Tech's Judith Curry has a great post on how the IPCC gets to "95%". [Andy]

And, Open Thread.

Posted by: Ace at 04:07 PM | Comments (144)
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1 Those poor poor deep sea creatures are now suffering for man's greed!

Posted by: steevy at September 30, 2013 04:09 PM (9XBK2)

2 Say what you will about Cruz, he showing that he might actually know how to play this game. He announced that he'll donate his salary to charity for the duration of the Reid Shutdown.

Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at September 30, 2013 04:11 PM (jSmN1)

3 Being anti-science by reporting the lack of science in global warming is only driving the moderates from the GOP. We should be more like the ever-rational Gov. Huntsman and simply do what the democrats tell us to do.

Posted by: joeindc44 didn't analyze nuthin, just offered his own anecdotal evidence at September 30, 2013 04:12 PM (QxSug)

4 I came here to perform global warming on cheerleader boobehs

Posted by: kbdabear at September 30, 2013 04:13 PM (aTXUx)

5 An Open Thread without boobehlas?..on a football night?

Posted by: cirque de soothsayer at September 30, 2013 04:14 PM (h7VZl)

6 IPCC is to climate science as Jim Cramer is to financial forecasting

Posted by: kbdabear at September 30, 2013 04:15 PM (aTXUx)

7 The parrot isn't dead, it's sleeping.

Posted by: teh Wind at September 30, 2013 04:15 PM (b+5vQ)

8 Truth will not deter the Leftist Agenda. Ever.

Posted by: cirque de soothsayer at September 30, 2013 04:15 PM (h7VZl)

9 Environmentalism is a religion.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at September 30, 2013 04:16 PM (ZPrif)

The science is settled.

We need NEW Solar Power Companies! The old ones keep going broke.

Posted by: rd at September 30, 2013 04:16 PM (D+lxs)

11 It's all bullshit.

Posted by: cirque de soothsayer at September 30, 2013 04:16 PM (h7VZl)

12 "Science" I don't think that word means what you think it means.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at September 30, 2013 04:16 PM (GEICT)

13 We need more windmills in more places. How else are we going to get electric power when there is no wind?

Posted by: rd at September 30, 2013 04:17 PM (D+lxs)

14 Al Gore is just another televangelist who gets rich preaching against the sins he commits. Ur a horrible evil sinner and ur killin' the planet! Buy my DVD! It's only $19.95 available at amazon and wal-mart. It's all about how ur a horrible person and ur killin' the planet!

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at September 30, 2013 04:18 PM (ZPrif)

15 So how much 'global warming' is predicted? Something like three tens of one degree per year? On a planet where the temperature extremes range from minus 90 degrees Fahrenheit or colder to plus 130 degrees or warmer?

What is the measurement error in the instrumentation they are using to measure temperature?

Aren't some of their temperature estimations an indirect measurement? How do they know that their data is even related to temperature?

It's fraud all the way down, up, and sideways.

Posted by: William Smith's Analgesic Powders at September 30, 2013 04:18 PM (lKvzY)

16 These people really piss me off. Suckers of barbed cork, every last one of them.

Posted by: Lloyd Loar at September 30, 2013 04:18 PM (9u2hL)

17 The truth is...uh...inconvenient.

Posted by: AlGore, arbiter of veracity at September 30, 2013 04:18 PM (Dwehj)

18 Back off, man, I'm a sciencetician.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at September 30, 2013 04:18 PM (ZPrif)

19 The mold under my bicycle seat grows bigger and scarier every year?

Global Warming is for reelz, DENIALISTS!!!

Posted by: Dr Charles Johnson, Scienceologist at September 30, 2013 04:18 PM (aTXUx)

20 A new definition for conscience? Con + science.

Posted by: cirque de soothsayer at September 30, 2013 04:18 PM (h7VZl)

21 Y'know, the entire mystery was solved a couple months ago with the publication of that game-changing report proving that there is an explosion of PLANT GROWTH worldwide since carbon levels have been going up -- which is just as expected. They don't call it the "greenhouse effect" for nothin'. WHat's happening is, as the report said, "the air is now fertilizer," and plant growth is absorbing the carbon -- exactly as the ecosystem has been doing for millions of years. The ol' balancing act. Carbon levels go up -- plant growth expands -- carbon is absorbed -- plant growth goes down - carbon trapped in plant matter is released (in various ways - fires, methane, decomposition, etc.) and carbon levels go up again -- etc. Round and round. This study (which is undisputed) should have ended the entire Global Warming hoax -- but it was ignored, as always.

Posted by: zombie at September 30, 2013 04:18 PM (+cx5n)

22 "When you're down to mere speculation, many things could be true." As the great PJ O'Rourke put it back in the late '90s: "Hey, my phone is ringing. That *could* be Uma Thurman asking if she can come over and give me a back rub."

Posted by: JPS at September 30, 2013 04:19 PM (9ziuC)

23 The settled is science!

Posted by: Kreplach at September 30, 2013 04:19 PM (hmUex)

24 My personal belief is that Gaia is fucking with them. She is pissed that these assholes tell so many lies about her.

Posted by: real joe at September 30, 2013 04:19 PM (xXhgd)

25 This is step one of the scientific process -- these are guesses.

The technical term is "SWAG" - (S)cientific (W)ild (A)ss (G)uess, or in the vernacular "just making shit up".

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/u][/s] at September 30, 2013 04:19 PM (9MLX+)

26 Yeah, it would be helpful if I gave a link -- but that's asking too much of little ol' me.

Posted by: zombie at September 30, 2013 04:19 PM (+cx5n)

27 Goldilocks should have been consulted so we would know what temperature is just right

Posted by: tmitsss at September 30, 2013 04:20 PM (Pa9vP)

28 Mark Sanchez is one frightening looking dudette.

Posted by: AlGore, arbiter of veracity at September 30, 2013 04:20 PM (Dwehj)

29 "If the ocean sequesters heat (through processes we don't understand), could it be that at other times, it releases heat (through processes we also don't understand), thus accounting for 1975-1998's warming?"

I've seen motherfuckers get hoisted on their own petard before, but damn.

Posted by: That's gonna leave a mark at September 30, 2013 04:21 PM (beakB)

30 Truth is a Bully! And Truth is a Polluter! With a corporate jet!

Posted by: cirque de soothsayer at September 30, 2013 04:21 PM (h7VZl)

31
Global warming? Pheh! I am your doom!

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Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at September 30, 2013 04:21 PM (kdS6q)

32 It had been a while, so it took some time to find it.

The Catastrophic Anthropogenic Global Warming Theory is based on the Caloric Theory of Heat: "The caloric theory is an obsolete scientific theory that heat consists of a self-repellent fluid called caloric that flows from hotter bodies to colder bodies. Caloric was also thought of as a weightless gas that could pass in and out of pores in solids and liquids." (HT Wikipedia)

So, NOW we know why they believe it's "hiding" at the bottom of the oceans.

Posted by: John W. at September 30, 2013 04:22 PM (PVBzL)

33 The major flaw (besides the totally inadequate computer models, the processing power available limiting the variables which are far numerous and many are unknown, and the lack of understanding on how all those variables interact) is that they don't have enough reliable data to even come near formulating any predictions that can be shown to accurately predict the weather that is known to have happened let alone weeks months years decades centuries in the future.

Until they have sufficient reliable data (and that would mean coverage over the entire earth's surface and down to the depths of the oceans) they can't begin to make even reliable guesses about what happens day to day let alone over the term of centuries or eons.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Ecclesiates 9:11) at September 30, 2013 04:22 PM (lAZep)

34
Thanks Pixy. Retake.

http://tinyurl.com/kwq2krp

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at September 30, 2013 04:22 PM (kdS6q)

35 I especially hate these fuckers because they are shitting on and destroying public respect for Science that's necessary when we do things that actually work -- like vaccinate children. These fuckers are try to leverage the reputation legit Science has. When you point out they're a lying frauds fudging data and their entire science is based of bullshit simulations that don't work ... they say, oh, so you don't believe in evolution? No, fuckers, this has nothing to do with evolution. Or relativity. Or quantum physics. Or any other aspect of Science. This is just about your bullshit politicized, religious apocalypse bullshit that you are trying to use to control the entire fucking planet. Evil motherfuckers who are destroying something of importance and value, the hard fought reputation of legit Science.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at September 30, 2013 04:23 PM (ZPrif)

36 The Goreons would like you to know that faith is the cornerstone of the "scientific method"...serious you guys!

Posted by: The Phantom Menace at September 30, 2013 04:23 PM (9jfyN)

37 Facts are unjust!

Posted by: cirque de soothsayer at September 30, 2013 04:23 PM (h7VZl)

38 Nothing like a hockey stick caught up their ass...!

Posted by: Papa at September 30, 2013 04:23 PM (jECGF)

39 http://tinyurl.com/lswrrnq: Wunderground.com says that Thailand's Temple of Dawn is CLOSED because of CLIMATE CHANGE!!

Well, down for renovations for three years. And pollution had an effect. Maybe the main effect.

BUT CLIMATE CHANGE!!!

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at September 30, 2013 04:23 PM (d7tB2)

40 Laugh at science all you want, Teabaggers, but me and Barack have made historic strides!

I went to NASA the other day and ordered them to get started on a manned mission to the Sun

One of those skeptical clown engineers said it was impossible because the ship would burn up

I told him, "We've thought of that. That's why we're going at night!"

Posted by: Joe Biden at September 30, 2013 04:24 PM (aTXUx)

41 Socio-econo-enviro justice now!

Posted by: cirque de soothsayer at September 30, 2013 04:24 PM (h7VZl)

42 Pre-cooked fish? Does this mean no more sushi?

Posted by: huerfano at September 30, 2013 04:25 PM (bAGA/)

43 7 The parrot isn't dead, it's sleeping. Posted by: teh Wind

It would be pining for the fjords, but they're full of seawater due to rising ocean levels.

What? It isn't? They aren't?

Never mind.

Posted by: pep at September 30, 2013 04:25 PM (6TB1Z)

44 Big Truth makes too much profit!

Posted by: cirque de soothsayer at September 30, 2013 04:25 PM (h7VZl)

45 Flatbush Joe gets it.

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at September 30, 2013 04:25 PM (d7tB2)

46 @33 Not to mention that a great number their "measuring" stations are in sub-optimal locations (in parking lots near the heat exchangers of hvac systems, etc.) which require them to "normalize" their data. In other word, it's all a crock of shit.

Posted by: Kreplach at September 30, 2013 04:25 PM (hmUex)

47 "We've thought of that. That's why we're going at night!"

Sounds reasonable to me.

Posted by: Low Information Voter at September 30, 2013 04:25 PM (Dwehj)

48 Ted Cruz also did this:

Â“I think the House should pass multiple continuing resolutions, focusing on all of the things President Obama listed in his speech to the American people this afternoon and funding them,Â” Cruz told CNBCÂ’s Larry Kudlow.

Â“One continuing resolution funding the VA [Veterans' Affairs] in its entirety,Â” he added. Â“Another one funding our national parks. Another one funding our border patrol agents, so that we donÂ’t have critical services denied the American people.Â”

Brilliant!!!

Posted by: Gidget at September 30, 2013 04:26 PM (tfg7i)

49 When I want the best possible science, I always turn to the UN. Where else would one get science?

Posted by: Algore at September 30, 2013 04:26 PM (bKA83)

50 "Yeah, it would be helpful if I gave a link"

er, ah, the chemical equation for photosynthesis?

I read somewhere, once, really I did, and vaguely remember something about putting a plastic bag over a tree and increasing the CO2 concentration to the frightening levels of 400ppm or so, as I remember it. Then trying to measure any change in the rate of growth of the tree.

I don't remember how that experiment worked out.

Posted by: William Smith's Analgesic Powders at September 30, 2013 04:26 PM (lKvzY)

The fact that their climate models couldn't take known PAST data and give the results of our current climate is an indication that the algorithm they used blows. Wouldn't your next logical step be to find out why the models don't work and adjust the algorithm accordingly?

I guess it's easier call people deniers than to say, we f#cked up and determine how we f#cked up. I'm not seeing why the research can't be continued without strangling the world economy with uncertain results unless the outcome really doesn't matter.

Posted by: boned to the bone at September 30, 2013 04:27 PM (Ph479)

52 >> the IPCC is claiming that they are more sure than ever There's some more hilarity on this topic in an update to the post.

Posted by: Andy at September 30, 2013 04:27 PM (0ZQCB)

53 Here it is, the most important climate report of the last decade at least: http://tinyurl.com/qxpkdkg "Vegetation In Arid Regions Increased Since 1982 Due To Carbon Fertilization By News Staff | July 30th 2013 03:30 PM Satellite observations made from 1982 to 2010 found that warm, arid regions are getting greener. Researchers have long argued that increasing atmospheric carbon dioxide will fertilize enhanced plant growth because carbon dioxide is a fuel source for plants' photosynthesis. In water-limited regions an increased atmospheric carbon dioxide concentration would allow plants to absorb the gas they need, while minimizing water loss. However, attributing the observed greening to the carbon fertilization effect rather than changes in water or nutrient availability or other factors is difficult because in warm, dry regions, plant growth is often controlled by water availability. In these areas the effects of carbon fertilization on foliage cover are expected to be most pronounced, and it is changes in cover that can be detected from satellites. By focusing on arid regions worldwide and controlling observations of plant foliage cover change for differences in precipitation rate, Donohue et al. find that carbon fertilization has caused an 11 percent increase in foliage cover from 1982 to 2010. This increased foliage cover in areas such as the U.S. Southwest and Mexico, the deserts of Argentina, the Middle East, central and western Australia, and the regions that ring the Sahara was driven by a 14 percent increase in the atmospheric carbon dioxide concentration over the same period." They also note that increased carbon does NOT track with increased temperature, but DOES track with increased plant growth. In other words: All that CO2 is actually GOOD for the Earth! Not bad!

Posted by: zombie at September 30, 2013 04:27 PM (+cx5n)

54 again with the Katrina

Posted by: cirque de soothsayer at September 30, 2013 04:27 PM (h7VZl)

55 And and when the Ice caps melt, the oceans will FLOOD THE WORLD!!!!!!11!!!!!!!

Science proves it. Just take some Ice in a glass and fill with water and when the ICE MELTS. . . . oh, wait. It DOESN'T spill out of the glass?

never mind.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Ecclesiates 9:11) at September 30, 2013 04:28 PM (lAZep)

56 Colorado is not good for you

NBC Nightly News ‏@nbcnightlynews 5m

5 hikers killed in Colorado rockslide (via @9NEWS) http://nbcnews.to/1dSYVjt

Posted by: Jones in CO at September 30, 2013 04:28 PM (8sCoq)

57 53 In other words: All that CO2 is actually GOOD for the Earth!

This is me making my REALLY ANGRY face!

Posted by: Algore at September 30, 2013 04:29 PM (bKA83)

58 Honestly, if I were a Third World country looking for tourism from ~~tranny-hunters and pedobears~~ Westerners, I'd consider closing down some monuments too. And appealing to Western guilt.

I'd especially consider it if we weren't getting as many ~~perverts~~ rich visitors as usual. I could get Western *governments* to pay my way.

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at September 30, 2013 04:29 PM (d7tB2)

59 "I read somewhere, once, really I did, and vaguely remember something about putting a plastic bag over a tree and increasing the CO2 concentration to the frightening levels of 400ppm or so, as I remember it. Then trying to measure any change in the rate of growth of the tree."

CO2 is cheap enough that you don't need to physically enclose the tree to run this experiment. You just need a CO2 delivery system that's able to keep levels of CO2 in proximity to the tree high enough and consistently enough for experimental purposes.

Needless to say, trees like carbon dioxide. Who knew?

Posted by: torquewrench at September 30, 2013 04:30 PM (gqT4g)

60 Awwww...you're going to make the weatherman cry.

Posted by: Jesse Pinkman, PhD Bitches! at September 30, 2013 04:30 PM (paOCA)

61 Posted by: William Smith's Analgesic Powders at September 30, 2013 08:18 PM (lKvzY)

It's funny how one degree of average temperature over 100 years is supposed to be catastrophic.

Depending on where you live, there's a much large differential between dawn and noon or summer and winter.

There is the question of changes in water availability (rain), but that's not just a question of temperature.

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at September 30, 2013 04:31 PM (0wHyk)

62 Needless to say, trees like carbon dioxide. Who knew?

We knew, I can tell you. Those idiot maples probably didn't, though. Man those guys are thick.

Posted by: Elms at September 30, 2013 04:31 PM (6TB1Z)

63 Anyone here doubt that Al Gore has ever gone on a chakra-release tour in Bangkok?

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at September 30, 2013 04:32 PM (d7tB2)

64 If we doused Al Gore with gasoline and set him alight, would his flaming corpse add to global warming? Inquiring minds want to know.

Posted by: turfmann at September 30, 2013 04:32 PM (GgGgG)

65 Global warming.

And Elbows

pic.twitter.com/1LZLF74j2k

Posted by: kbdabear at September 30, 2013 04:32 PM (aTXUx)

66 man- whenever I see John Gruden, all I hear is Frank Caliendo doing John Gruden

Posted by: Jones in CO at September 30, 2013 04:33 PM (8sCoq)

67 who told John Gruden he should comb his hair like a mental hospital patient?

Posted by: cirque de soothsayer at September 30, 2013 04:33 PM (h7VZl)

68 If, and I say if, the deep ocean is sucking up the extra heat for the last 17 years, then why oh why wasn't it sucking it up at an even faster rate during the glorious hockey stick years? There was extra heat just laying around all over the place, and Mother Ocean sez "the porridge is just too hot". But now, the porridge is just the right temp to scarf it down.

It's a fucking fairy tale, writ large.

Posted by: GnuBreed at September 30, 2013 04:33 PM (wNF3N)

69 Awwww...you're going to make the weatherman cry.

My guess is that he does a fair amount of crying regardless.

And just wait until they tell him he got his wiener wacked for a fraud.

Posted by: pep at September 30, 2013 04:33 PM (6TB1Z)

70 Even better link: http://tinyurl.com/pf3x9co With a glorious map showing the explosion of plant growth worldwide thanks to all that glorious CO2!! "Deserts Turning Green From Rising Carbon Dioxide Levels, Study Increased levels of carbon dioxide (CO2) have helped boost green foliage across the worldÂ’s arid regions over the past 30 years through a process called CO2 fertilization, reports a new study. In findings based on satellite observations, CSIRO, in collaboration with the Australian National University (ANU), found that this CO2 fertilization correlated with an 11 percent increase in foliage cover from 1982-2010 across parts of the arid areas studied in Australia, North America, the Middle East and Africa. ..."

Posted by: zombie at September 30, 2013 04:33 PM (+cx5n)

71 It does seem that Colorado has become America's Australia in recent months. Nature has been especially cruel there recently. Although I guess Colorado is more inorganic death -- fires, floods, rock slides -- while Australia is organic death -- beasties and crawlies out to eat or poison you. Colorado is more the deadly indifference of nature. Australia's nightmares actually seek out their prey. Colorado's fires and floods aren't trying to kill anybody, people are just in the way of uncontrollable forces.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at September 30, 2013 04:34 PM (ZPrif)

72 Fritz's Fourth Law of Thermodynamics: Fuck You, Because That's Why!

Posted by: Fritz at September 30, 2013 04:35 PM (x2W/k)

73 But...but...SCIENCE. And vasectomy. But mostly SCIENCE

Posted by: Sniveling Weatherman Dude at September 30, 2013 04:35 PM (ELdpj)

74 Climate change fueled the green tech energy. Well, more accurately, fueled the government handouts and funding of said industries. I'm praying one such boondoggle finally gets cancelled here in SoCal, otherwise it will legitimately ruin the nightscape of the desert. Funny how that is: people push for bigger government and propping up their schemes in the name of the environment, only to ruin said environment (and then walk away with the money when their house of cards collapses).

Posted by: CAC at September 30, 2013 04:35 PM (KZTw3)

75 Daily reminder: If the Left was truly concerned about increasing CO2 emissions, they would be constantly telling us about the need to sterilize the populations of Africa and Asia.

Posted by: WOW at September 30, 2013 04:35 PM (6sqK6)

76 These clowns and their heat hiding out in the deep ocean... "Its curtains for you Mugsy!"

The oceanic transport system, the Gulf Stream and such, has collapsed in the past long before AlGore ever crawled out of a tobacco patch.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at September 30, 2013 04:35 PM (JaA49)

77 *green tech energy "boom" I meant.

Posted by: CAC at September 30, 2013 04:35 PM (KZTw3)

78 If the Left was truly concerned about increasing CO2 emissions, they would be constantly telling us about the need to sterilize the populations of Africa and Asia.

Get 'em drunk enough.

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at September 30, 2013 04:36 PM (d7tB2)

79 Algorithms?I invented those too. al Gore

Posted by: steevy at September 30, 2013 04:36 PM (9XBK2)

80 Now watch whats going to happen.

We're in a cooling phase. Probably one similar to the one that happened a century ago.

There will be blizzards and mucho snowfall in the northern latitudes.

They will then begin to claim that WE'RE ALL GOING TO FREEZE TO DEATH because of {fill in the blank} Global Cooling caused by {fill in evil industry or country of choice} and we must spend billions focusing the suns rays on the cold parts to avoid the massive deaths that will ensue.

(we've actually seen the do this. Google Nuclear Winter during the '70's. We were all supposed to die from being froze to death and some said it was going to happen even without a nuclear war to trigger it. They just can't help themselves.)

There's are children's tales about Chicken Little and the Boy Who Cried Wolf for a reason; some people just have to have a boogey man to scare themselves and others with to try and seize power or feel in control.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Ecclesiates 9:11) at September 30, 2013 04:37 PM (lAZep)

81 Rachel Carson and her jihad against DDT has killed millions in Africa. So there was no need.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at September 30, 2013 04:37 PM (JaA49)

82 Yeah, it was always a watermelon scam from the beginning. Green on the outside, red on the inside. The communists and socialists and statists saw the eco-fascist scam as a way to institute massive top-down control schemes that touched every man, woman, and child in every aspect of their life and could be used to control and shape lives and redistribute wealth. In Al Gore's case, mainly to his 27 room mansion in Nashville, his fleet of SUVs, and his private jet.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at September 30, 2013 04:38 PM (ZPrif)

83 I guess I should admit that I don't really care about green energy and wind farms. I just really, really hate birds. I can spend a whole afternoon watching eagles get whacked by turbine blades.

Posted by: Algore at September 30, 2013 04:38 PM (bKA83)

84 This assertion that the heat is somehow trapped in the deep ocean is ridiculous on its face. "Convection," how does it work?

Posted by: J. Wilde at September 30, 2013 04:38 PM (LLmK4)

85 Australia will jump out of the tree and bite you in the neck

Colorado just bides its time. It knows you will make a wrong turn sooner or later, and that's when it drops a boulder on you or cuts off your escape route with fire

Posted by: Jones in CO at September 30, 2013 04:39 PM (8sCoq)

86 Fish fry anyone? It's mighty hot down here.

Posted by: deep, DEEP! sea diver at September 30, 2013 04:40 PM (H0a0l)

87 I am more confident than ever that I'm going to win the MegaMillions draw tomorrow. How can I be so sure? Because I haven't won yet.

Posted by: t-bird at September 30, 2013 04:40 PM (FcR7P)

88 I do like all the giant, whirling, slicing eagle extermination machines will built. So ... not all bad. Eagles are stuck-up assholes.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at September 30, 2013 04:40 PM (ZPrif)

89 "64 If we doused Al Gore with gasoline and set him alight, would his flaming corpse add to global warming? "

I'm 95% certain it would.

Posted by: the IPCC at September 30, 2013 04:41 PM (APJIX)

90 $189 million Mega Million annuity is the Tuesday jackpot.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at September 30, 2013 04:41 PM (JaA49)

91 Let's tie the reduction of carbon to spending. They will never spend less, but then at least we won't have listen to all the Eco BS.

Posted by: Tutu at September 30, 2013 04:41 PM (CpWI4)

92 Colorado is an Elder God.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at September 30, 2013 04:42 PM (ZPrif)

93 Posted by: t-bird at September 30, 2013 08:40 PM (FcR7P)

That's RIGHT!!!!!1!!!!

Your odds are getting better and better.

REMEMBER; YOU CAN'T WIN IF YOU DON'T PLAY.

sucker.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Ecclesiates 9:11) at September 30, 2013 04:42 PM (lAZep)

94 I saw a quote from one of the IPCC scientists saying that moving from 90% to 95% certainty represented a "doubling of their certainty". With mad math skills like that, how can we resist?

Posted by: OCBill at September 30, 2013 04:42 PM (rFipM)

95 IF global warming can get just one metrosexual idiot to have a vasectomy so he never reproduces, then it's all worthwhile.

Posted by: Low Information Republican Squish at September 30, 2013 04:42 PM (v6hyJ)

96 Eagles are vultures with a PR agent.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Ecclesiates 9:11) at September 30, 2013 04:42 PM (lAZep)

97 At some point the few halfway honest scientists who've been associated with the IPCC will start to peel themselves loose from the UN kleptocracy. The remainder will cling to the sinking hulk for every bit of baksheesh they can shake out of the thing, hopefully most will go down with it.

Posted by: JEM at September 30, 2013 04:43 PM (o+SC1)

98 Bear in mind this business about the deep oceans sequestering all that Global Warming!!! where we conveniently can't measure it is what we call a Pure Speculation.

I like the term "magical thinking."

Or, in more scientific language, "horseshit."

Posted by: Phinn at September 30, 2013 04:43 PM (oFH2D)

99 Our limos are ten minutes late! We're 95% certain that those drivers are just off getting drunk somewhere, so we will have them fired immediately!

Posted by: The IPCC at September 30, 2013 04:43 PM (bKA83)

100 I am so glad that my Alma Mater is on the correct side of this...

Posted by: phreshone at September 30, 2013 04:44 PM (Pr6hk)

101 I have a mental image of the warmies, led by alGore and Michael Mann, standing on the shore, shaking their little fists and screaming at the ocean, "Gimme back my warming!"

Posted by: Retread at September 30, 2013 04:44 PM (Oz+LZ)

102 Saints scored already..

Posted by: [/i][/b][/u][/s] Tami at September 30, 2013 04:45 PM (bCEmE)

103 Apropos of nothing, ;^) but this is an open thread; Cpuntries to avoid if you hate spiders: http://roadtickle.com/the-countries-to-avoid-if-you-hate-spiders/

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 30, 2013 04:45 PM (a4Omg)

104 In Al Gore's case, mainly to his 27 room mansion in Nashville, his fleet of SUVs, and his private jet. Posted by: Flatbush Joe at September 30, 2013 08:38 PM

Don't forget his little $9 million beach cottage in Montecito California, with fountains and 9 bathrooms

I'm sure that Al saves the planet by recycling the water for his 9 doggeh drinking bowls

Posted by: kbdabear at September 30, 2013 04:46 PM (aTXUx)

105 I believe we should treat 'reduction in carbon emissions' in the same way government has heretofore treated 'reduction in spending' - that is, the fact that we haven't treated Michael Mann to an auto-da-fe ought to to be treated as a reduction in emissions, because we could have done it...

Posted by: JEM at September 30, 2013 04:46 PM (o+SC1)

106 The heat is hiding in the oceans? Clever heat, always sneaking around. I think the heat is hiding in the hall closet, with all the coats that we put away last Spring.

Posted by: Severe Conservative riding Orca at September 30, 2013 04:46 PM (v6hyJ)

107 I would've thought Australia would top the list but I guess that's because ALL the flora and fauna there are either poisonous or will try to kill you in some manner.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Ecclesiates 9:11) at September 30, 2013 04:47 PM (lAZep)

108 Elbow and Boobehs thread up, Morons!

Posted by: kbdabear at September 30, 2013 04:47 PM (aTXUx)

109 Why would heat want to hide at the bottom of the ocean? It's fucking cold down there.

Posted by: JackStraw at September 30, 2013 04:48 PM (g1DWB)

110 So. Best guess on how long Michael Moore would burn if he ever self combusted?

I'm thinking if he was strapped down so he couldn't get to any water about 15 minutes.

There's more water in his tissue than you'd think.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Ecclesiates 9:11) at September 30, 2013 04:49 PM (lAZep)

111 This assertion that the heat is somehow trapped in the deep ocean is ridiculous on its face. "Convection," how does it work?
Posted by: J. Wilde
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I'm 95% certain that warmists don't care, because grants.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at September 30, 2013 04:49 PM (aDwsi)

112

Psst hey you! Did you ever get caught jerking off on the bottom of the ocean?

Good hiding place ain't it?

Posted by: Johnny Cold Cuts at September 30, 2013 04:50 PM (N3Al8)

113 I do give credit to Al Gore for at least getting filthy rich of the warmie scam. I can sort of respect a good con artist. It's evil, of course, but the brazenness of living in a mansion while selling books and DVDs telling people to live in cold, dark 1 room apartments is sort of impressive.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at September 30, 2013 04:51 PM (ZPrif)

114 Al Gore Junyah is a rich man because 1) he sold his stupid TV network to Al Jezeera, at a ridiculous price, so the Arabs in Qatar could have a propaganda channel in the US. They will be about as successful as MSNBC 2) Al's daddy, Al Gore Senyuh, made a lot of money being the Senator for Occidental Petroleum and his buddy, Armand Hammer. Armand Hammer, friend to the Politburo of the USSR, and all around good guy. So that's who Al Gore is. A real American success story.

Posted by: Severe Conservative riding Orca at September 30, 2013 04:51 PM (v6hyJ)

115 Conservatives hate science.

Posted by: Bernie Goldberg at September 30, 2013 04:53 PM (Rla3K)

116 So that's who Al Gore is. A real American success story. Posted by: Severe Conservative
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Plus..., Tipper!

Posted by: Mike Hammer at September 30, 2013 04:53 PM (aDwsi)

117 Why would heat want to hide at the bottom of the ocean? It's fucking cold down there. Posted by: JackStraw The whole concept is unpossible.

Posted by: Alfred Duhem Gibbs at September 30, 2013 04:54 PM (v6hyJ)

118 Fuck "caloric"! It's all the phlogiston causing the problem!!!

Posted by: 18th Century philosophe at September 30, 2013 04:54 PM (qnPg9)

119 #111, Yeah, the warmists don't care, but how do they expect anyone else to buy this horseshit? You'd have to inculcate an entire population that was ignorant of basic physical principles of matter and energy to--

Fuck.

Posted by: J. Wilde at September 30, 2013 04:54 PM (LLmK4)

120

Deserts Turning Green From Rising Carbon Dioxide Levels, Study

Habitat destruction due to higher CO2 will be the next thing you hear them screaming.

I just wish that that was sarc

Posted by: PMRich at September 30, 2013 04:54 PM (KDUNf)

121 It's just more insanity. The people who are supposed to be finding facts are hilarious frauds, the people who say they're really only interested in the facts are screaming "burn the heretics" instead. The question is not whether violence ever solves anything, it's why do people have to be such assholes that nothing else is the possible end?

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith [/i] [/b] [/s] [/u] at September 30, 2013 04:56 PM (qyfb5)

122 The UN that great body of intellectual knowledge has been around since 1945. Of the 190+ countries how many are not 3 rd world or developed? 30, 40 and these without the help of that great cess pool the UN. The UU a place sub African bureaucratic and dictators can go to spend their starving citizens money on $4000 suits, $350 lunches and $5000 escorts.

Posted by: Bufalobob at September 30, 2013 05:03 PM (r8ENS)

123 Al Gore Junyah is a rich man because ...

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Never forget that Algore made a shitload of money selling indulgences... whoops, I mean carbon offsets.

Posted by: cool arrow at September 30, 2013 05:06 PM (WMsq+)

124 Never forget that Algore made a shitload of money selling indulgences... whoops, I mean carbon offsets.

Posted by: cool arrow at September 30, 2013 09:06 PM (WMsq+)

Gotta admire the cojones on a guy who made almost a billion literally selling nothing but air that's actually free

Posted by: kbdabear at September 30, 2013 05:10 PM (aTXUx)

125 God is funny. Funny in a sort of "I'm gonna make your eyeballs explode at the speed of light" way. But still funny.

Posted by: Corona at September 30, 2013 05:17 PM (fh2Y7)

126 Afraid? To bear yourself why? You're so small and so furry. How do you expect to reach emptiness without knowing our computer models?

Posted by: Creepy Cultist of Thulsa AGW at September 30, 2013 05:23 PM (dvRYt)

127 God is funny. Funny in a sort of "I'm gonna make your eyeballs explode at the speed of light" way. But still funny.

Don't cross the streams.

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at September 30, 2013 05:28 PM (d7tB2)

128 All the heat is hiding in the ocean? Hmmm... I've got my eye on a certain tasty-looking lobster! Can we make it a little hotter?

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at September 30, 2013 05:28 PM (N/Sup)

129

Seriously. The thing has become such a joke that anybody on board the AGW crazy train should be subjected to the same level of ridicule and derisiveness that is normally reserved for people who believe in ghosts and astrology.

Oddly, though, as a religion, AGW belief would fall under the social category of "that which must be respected". I guess the loophole to that is that they claim it's "Science".

The bottom line is that it's people seeing what they want to see, and believing what they want to believe. Climate quacks want to call themselves the Saviors of mankind, and keep those checks coming in. Statists (and most scientists are in this group, too) want to nationalize the life blood of the world's economy. There's the Eco-Nazis, who just consider people to be parasites upon Mother Earth, the control freaks who just like to tell you what to do, and the moralists, who are so damaged that they need to be able to do inconsequential things to pronounce themselves morally superior over you. There's also the crony capitalists, like the Weather Channel (looking to pronounce itself more important, to gain viewers) and GE selling windmills.

No wonder that nobody has calculated the date when the data left the model's confidence intervals in the rear mirror, thereby rendering AGW a "myth busted". It was probably a month or two ago.

Posted by: Optimizer at September 30, 2013 05:29 PM (Mxt9o)

130

http://tinyurl.com/mauuu5p

It's cuz they removed all the water

Posted by: PMRich at September 30, 2013 05:32 PM (KDUNf)

131 So hold on a minute... does their 95% certainty simply mean that they're 95% certain that mankind isn't causing Anthropomorphic Global Cooling? The 95% figure really says nothing about how certain they are about the magnitude of AGW... it could be insignificant.

As far as I can tell, nothing I've heard them say so far is inconsistent with that interpretation...

Posted by: TheEngineer at September 30, 2013 05:33 PM (9PNNC)

132 I say we shoot Al Gore off to a nearby planet in an escape pod so he can warn the residents what might have happened to Planet Earth due to our arrogance. I'm thinking Mercury would be a good first and last choice.

Posted by: Wonkish Rogue at September 30, 2013 05:38 PM (lhNul)

133 I thought Georgia Tech was too busy turning itself into a politically correct trendsetter (so as to win the approval of the Ivy League sets) to actually have time to anything else. Or the integrity.

Posted by: T. at September 30, 2013 05:45 PM (nVPn7)

134 No matter how much I skim the often lengthy articles on 'climate change' I still cannot get over the suspicion that these 'climate scientists' are merely averaging out a bunch of numbers (when they are not finagling them) and extrapolating predictions of future behavior.

They really should try playing the stocks - the 'science' is just as solid and their results would be the same - wrong.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at September 30, 2013 05:48 PM (80R0X)

135 My theory is that the earth's heat radiates out into space. Since the earth isn't really like a greenhouse with a roof, there's nothing to prevent it.

Posted by: Dr. Eric Von Zipper at September 30, 2013 05:53 PM (QvsZ5)

136 So -- let me get this straight. Essentially, the Warmerist Coven uses a variation of the Rumsfeld Knowing Formula to calculate their confidence levels:

1111!!!% known knowns Â– the things they know that they know, and you're a denier if you think they ain't so.
-00.00000% known unknowns Â– the things that they now know they don't know, but try to hide from the rest of us.
+0% unknown unknowns Â– the things they do not know they don't know, and they don't want to know anyhow.

Multiplied by the Will Rogers Constant:
rC = It isn't what we don't know that gives us trouble, it's what we think we know that ain't so.

Posted by: starboardhelm at September 30, 2013 06:14 PM (1I4sj)

137 The comments from Dr. Curry's blog were surprisingly good and informative, save for one AGW cultist who apparently took a wrong turn at one of those AGW pseudoscience scare sites. I especially enjoyed the phrase "Climate Alchemy" and will be using that forthwith.

Posted by: Saber Alter attempting Physics through MIT OCW at September 30, 2013 06:23 PM (8V74Y)

138 Save Bear-Man-Pig (1/2 Bear, 1/2 Man, 1/2 Pig)

Posted by: Al Gore at September 30, 2013 06:26 PM (e8kgV)

139 The great anthropogenic climate change climb-down has already begun.

It won't be a mass public renunciation. Instead, look for actions rather than words. Scientists are human like the rest of us, and may not be willing to admit, even to themselves, that they were wrong -- at least not for a while.

Instead, they will just move to other fields. Being scientists, they possess valuable and portable skills that can be used in a wide variety of applications. You will see large transitions out of climate change related research into other topics. Without abandoning their stands on climate change, they will develop sudden interests in unrelated topics. Other areas of study will suddenly get trendy. This will happen in the next two years. I am already seeing this with one scientist I know.

Eventually -- say in 5-10 years, they will sorta, kinda, admit that while anthropogenic climate change is still a valid theory, it really isn't that useful, doesn't model reality well, is too chaotic to make long-term predictions, didn't get enough funding, was eclipsed by other environmental factors, was highjacked by the politics/actors/idiots -- any number of explanations. Only a few of the most honest will admit they screwed the pooch.

There will always be a core of politicized sad sacks (The Paul Erlich types) that insists that climate doom is around the corner, and every bad (but not good) weather event will be linked to their doom theory.

Posted by: SL at September 30, 2013 06:47 PM (NZ5oG)

140 I have a Speculation Theory that heat is absorbed by vegetation which speeds up anabolism, the products from which are transported to roots and either sequestered there or catabolized, the energy released being transferred out the roots, into the subsoil, and to the Earth's magma core.

I mean as long as we're making sh*t up, let's keep Gaia involved.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at September 30, 2013 07:10 PM (eHIJJ)

141 House Republicans Work Immigration Behind Scenes

http://tinyurl.com/llh2dxe

Couldn't get past the headline, it's all for show. It's all one happy little group, the repubdems, the republicrats, the demopubs, the demolicans, no matter what you call em they're one fraternity and we aren't them.

Posted by: knowledge is power at September 30, 2013 07:23 PM (Nx76m)

142 Dana Bash ‏@DanaBashCNN http://tinyurl.com/awtvqzb

I'm told house republicans plan to revote on their cr w obamacare provisions and appoint conferees - negotiators - to sit down w senators

Posted by: knowledge is power at September 30, 2013 07:32 PM (Nx76m)

143 Operator ‏@911BUFF http://tinyurl.com/cqaqg3z

EXPLOSION AT THE BERKLEY CA CAMPUS: -STUDENTS INJURED -STUDENTS TRAPPED -EVACUATIONS ORDERED. DALYCAL.

Posted by: knowledge is power at September 30, 2013 07:35 PM (Nx76m)

144 The heat is hidden in a gigantic thermos bottle, I tells ya.

What insulates the heat the Thermos bottle inevitably gives up, the way hot coffee is only warm by morning, and thus eventually rise to the surface to warm the sea at its surface?

Thence on to warming the atmosphere?

Why...it's a Thermos bottle outside the first! And outside that one, to insulate the next etc. ad infinitum?

Well, in fact, it's Thermos bottles all the way up!!

Here's the source of my allusion:

ItÂ’s turtles all the way down

There are many versions of the Â“turtleÂ” story. Here is one of the best known:

Â“William James, father of American psychology, tells of meeting an old lady who told him the Earth rested on the back of a huge turtle. "But, my dear lady", Professor James asked, as politely as possible, "what holds up the turtle?" "Ah", she said, "that's easy. He is standing on the back of another turtle." "Oh, I see", said Professor James, still being polite. "But would you be so good as to tell me what holds up the second turtle?" "It's no use, Professor", said the old lady, realizing he was trying to lead her into a logical trap. "It's turtles-turtles-turtles, all the way!Â”

Â— from Wilson, R.A. (1983, 1997) Prometheus Rising. Phoenix, AZ: New Falcon Publishers, 1983.

Posted by: Hari Seldon at September 30, 2013 10:01 PM (/kgBM)

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