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November 16, 2013

Shock: You Can't Keep Your Doctor, Either
— JohnE.

Call me a cynic, but I'm starting to think that this law might have been passed by an assembly of unscrupulous and duplicitous politicians with the help of an incurious and sympathetic media on a bed of outright misrepresentations and deceit.

UnitedHealth Group (UNH.N) dropped thousands of doctors from its networks in recent weeks, leaving many elderly patients unsure whether they need to switch plans to continue seeing their doctors, the Wall Street Journal reported on Friday.

I don't know about this Obama guy. I'm starting to think he might not be playing straight with us.

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1 Cynic.

Posted by: huerfano at November 16, 2013 10:44 AM (bAGA/)

2 What do Bush's Katrina disaster and Obama's ObamaCare disaster have in common? They both arose out of Liberal lies.

Posted by: Starboardhelm at November 16, 2013 10:44 AM (1I4sj)

3 Meh. Doctors are overrated. A good shaman can cure many diseases and most cases of demonic possession.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 16, 2013 10:45 AM (VAjxK)

4 Elderly can't see their doctor and dies. That's a feature not a bug.

Posted by: Hanoverfist at November 16, 2013 10:45 AM (ecN6u)

5 Why doesn't he just give a speech and solve this mess!!

Posted by: BuckIV at November 16, 2013 10:46 AM (CLfqv)

6 And The President keeps preaching about the many options to choose from, I'd like to see an article about about vast rural areas in this country with only one or two insurance companies providing plans. I got one, which of course means a very limited network, which means you better not get sick or injured any time you get 50 miles from home.

Posted by: lowandslow at November 16, 2013 10:46 AM (IV4od)

7 ha we still have our family doctor which is good cause she's a hot Chinese chick I may have to go in cause of my hernia

Posted by: navycopjoe at November 16, 2013 10:47 AM (oi+Yq)

8 I don't know about this Obama guy. I'm starting to think he might not be playing straight with us. ------ He's not.

Posted by: Serious Cat at November 16, 2013 10:47 AM (49lPc)

9 3 Meh. Doctors are overrated. A good shaman can cure many diseases and most cases of demonic possession. Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 16, 2013 02:45 PM (VAjxK) WooHoo! Free shrooms and peyote!

Posted by: Hanoverfist at November 16, 2013 10:47 AM (ecN6u)

10 It is only a Parody Presidency my boy.

Posted by: 7 Days in May at November 16, 2013 10:47 AM (j6DTo)

11 I really was counting on the website and a flood of happy customers to paste over these little flaws. And the Navigators were supposed to back up the website if it didn't go as well as hoped. (Any resemblance to the "Cat in the Hat" story is purely coinkadental.)

Posted by: Bronco Bama at November 16, 2013 10:47 AM (1I4sj)

12 Ya don't say...

I am not surprised by any of this.

Posted by: Deathknyte at November 16, 2013 10:48 AM (lUzBA)

13 Yep. They are going to smaller and smaller networks, and many doctors are refusing to join. We found out that my husband's doctor isn't on any of the available HMOs, so it looks like if we want to keep him, we'll be buying a more expensive PPO. No word yet on my OB,but he would probably work out a payment plan with us if need be because he's super conservative and actually part of a lawsuit fighting Obamacare.

Posted by: Lauren at November 16, 2013 10:48 AM (hFL/3)

14 The downside to patients of smaller doctor networks is longer wait times and higher costs to see a specialist. The upside to the govt paying for this is longer wait times ... cause hopefully you die before your visit and the govt doesn't incur the higher costs. Bending the Curve, Baby!

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 16, 2013 10:48 AM (ZPrif)

15 7 ha we still have our family doctor which is good cause she's a hot Chinese chick I may have to go in cause of my hernia Posted by: navycopjoe at November 16, 2013 02:47 PM (oi+Yq) ------------ pics?

Posted by: Serious Cat at November 16, 2013 10:48 AM (49lPc)

16 Plus all the new Medicaid enrollees will probably have a wonderful time finding doctors who will accept new Medicaid patients.

Posted by: Vendette at November 16, 2013 10:49 AM (GAUeg)

17 Obama plays straight... until Reggie comes in the door.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 16, 2013 10:50 AM (olDqf)

18 Obama plays straight... until Reggie comes in the door.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 16, 2013 10:50 AM (olDqf)

Your doctor was substandard and crappy anyway....

Posted by: Liberty Lover at November 16, 2013 10:50 AM (8s7YY)

Your doctor was substandard and crappy anyway....

Posted by: Liberty Lover at November 16, 2013 10:50 AM (8s7YY)

21 Well, at least 2014 (and 2016, do that matter) is shaping up in our favor. We have that - if we survive that long.

Posted by: shredded chi at November 16, 2013 10:50 AM (j3qlM)

22 Well, at least 2014 (and 2016, do that matter) is shaping up in our favor. We have that - if we survive that long.

Posted by: shredded chi at November 16, 2013 10:50 AM (j3qlM)

23 Is it going to be illegal to pay cash for doctor services, like I do with my dentist?
Or is it already?

Posted by: navybrat at November 16, 2013 10:50 AM (fWTAl)

24 Is it going to be illegal to pay cash for doctor services, like I do with my dentist?
Or is it already?

Posted by: navybrat at November 16, 2013 10:50 AM (fWTAl)

25 I would like to buy a PPO. But I'm being forced to buy an Obamacare HMO. I have to choose from a list that only has HMOs on it.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 16, 2013 10:50 AM (ZPrif)

26 I would like to buy a PPO. But I'm being forced to buy an Obamacare HMO. I have to choose from a list that only has HMOs on it.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 16, 2013 10:50 AM (ZPrif)

27 I don't know about this Obama guy. I'm starting to think he might not be playing straight with us. I know!

Posted by: Reggie Love at November 16, 2013 10:51 AM (jdRXP)

28 I don't know about this Obama guy. I'm starting to think he might not be playing straight with us. I know!

Posted by: Reggie Love at November 16, 2013 10:51 AM (jdRXP)

29 Doctor...Doctor gimme the news, I got a bad case of obamacare blues!

Posted by: Comrade Jesse, not welcoming our socialist overlords at November 16, 2013 10:51 AM (kkbgQ)

30 Doctor...Doctor gimme the news, I got a bad case of obamacare blues!

Posted by: Comrade Jesse, not welcoming our socialist overlords at November 16, 2013 10:51 AM (kkbgQ)

31 pics? Posted by: Serious Cat Of his hernia? Gross! No thanks.

Posted by: shredded chi at November 16, 2013 10:51 AM (j3qlM)

32 pics? Posted by: Serious Cat Of his hernia? Gross! No thanks.

Posted by: shredded chi at November 16, 2013 10:51 AM (j3qlM)

33 Losing our coverage and doctors is a form of intentional punishment. We all need to be punished because we are all racists. And we're racists because we hate Obama. And we hate Obama because we're losing our coverage and doctors. See? It all makes sense, in Escher-Logic-Land.

Posted by: zombie at November 16, 2013 10:51 AM (+cx5n)

34 Losing our coverage and doctors is a form of intentional punishment. We all need to be punished because we are all racists. And we're racists because we hate Obama. And we hate Obama because we're losing our coverage and doctors. See? It all makes sense, in Escher-Logic-Land.

Posted by: zombie at November 16, 2013 10:51 AM (+cx5n)

35 Doctors. Who needs them?

Posted by: Theodoric of York at November 16, 2013 10:51 AM (Ri/W7)

36 Doctors. Who needs them?

Posted by: Theodoric of York at November 16, 2013 10:51 AM (Ri/W7)

37 pics Doc or hernia?

Posted by: Fox 2! at November 16, 2013 10:52 AM (XFTOV)

38 pics Doc or hernia?

Posted by: Fox 2! at November 16, 2013 10:52 AM (XFTOV)

39 I learned everything I know about cleaning up my messes from 'The Cat in the Hat Comes Back':
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Cat_in_the_Hat_Comes_Back

Posted by: Bronco Bama at November 16, 2013 10:53 AM (1I4sj)

40 Election Strategy Number One:

Don't piss off the old people.

Posted by: mama wingr at November 16, 2013 10:53 AM (P6QsQ)

41 "Your doctor was substandard and crappy anyway...." I've never met anyone who liked their doctor.

Posted by: Nancy at November 16, 2013 10:53 AM (hFL/3)

42 I seem to recall a time that the Left thought that HMOs were the spawn of Satan, what with them being so consumer unfriendly and all.

Posted by: alexthechick - Is it March yet? How about now? at November 16, 2013 10:53 AM (Gk3SS)

43 "I would like to buy a PPO. But I'm being forced to buy an Obamacare HMO. I have to choose from a list that only has HMOs on it."

Are you sure? If you're not eligible for a subsidy you don't need to go through the exchange.

Posted by: lowandslow at November 16, 2013 10:54 AM (IV4od)

44 "Don't piss off the old people."

Too late. Grr.

Posted by: navybrat at November 16, 2013 10:54 AM (fWTAl)

45 It brought tears to my eyes when I saw the Greta segment who interviewed the doctor who had long time, loyal clientele, many elderly. A few days later, Greta announced that their show helped to at least get the doc reinstated to one of the insurers that dropped him. There are dominoes falling all over the place because of this shit law. The problem is, they are "dominoes," they are people.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 16, 2013 10:54 AM (IXrOn)

46 You will see a govt approved doctor on your govt approved plan and you will like it!

Posted by: ConcealedKerry or SubMitt at November 16, 2013 10:55 AM (uUXp6)

47 I can't believe there are some on the Left still defending this insanity, and still imagining that it's going to "work" somehow. Either they are in for one of the biggest Cluebat El-Kabong experiences EVER, or we here on the right are all completely delusional. Someone is going to have his world disintegrate. At this moment, I just can't see how it's going to be us.

Posted by: zombie at November 16, 2013 10:55 AM (+cx5n)

48 ""Don't piss off the old people." Or terminally ill people...

Posted by: Lauren at November 16, 2013 10:55 AM (hFL/3)

49 Elderly can't see their doctor and dies. That's a feature not a bug.

Posted by: Hanoverfist at November 16, 2013 02:45 PM (ecN6u)

---------------------------------------------

As I've said. The chaos connected to Ocare is a Bill Ayers wet-dream.

Posted by: Soona at November 16, 2013 10:56 AM (66ULQ)

50 from the previous post: What I can't understand is their complete internal shock and apparent lack of any gameplan to address a scenario that they knew was coming three years in advance. Did they just think people wouldn't notice? This, to me, shows the real incompetence of this administration. That they never even bothered to have a plan of attack to address a predicable (by their own estimates) and inevitable outcome is just incredible. People caught in this ideological trap are not important to them. Literally. They are simply the casualties of war to them. They don't care. The only people they care about are those that vote for them. This is such a dark time. And, I think they truly thought they could weather the storm because, hey, these are real or decent or good people (aka "democrats"), so the media will lock step in line and not cover it. Don't give those hurting a voice, and it is simply not happening. Everything is good. Conservatives are whining over nothing, as usual, yada yada yada...

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 16, 2013 10:57 AM (IXrOn)

51 #6

Don't forget, his cronies are pushing plan to push more and more of the population into dense urban habitations. Those rural areas are just future nature preserves as far as Obama cares. The sooner they're cleared of humans, either by forced movement or by attrition, the better.

Posted by: Epobirs at November 16, 2013 10:57 AM (kcfmt)

52 Posted by: alexthechick - Is it March yet? How about now? at November 16, 2013 02:53 PM (Gk3SS) Just wait until the ACO rollouts begin en masse. To quote a VP of a large health provider "We don't know what one is, and the regulations are vague, but we have to make one! So we bought a bunch of practices hoping to put it together." It's like not knowing how to build a stock car, but figuring if you buy enough parts, you'll be able to make one.

Posted by: tsrblke PhD(c) (No really!) at November 16, 2013 10:57 AM (GaqMa)

53 No one clings to their doctors like the old people. No one votes as reliably and consistently as the old people either.

You get between grandma and her doctor, you better believe she will be there 20 minutes before the polls open to vote your butt out.

Posted by: mama wingr at November 16, 2013 10:57 AM (P6QsQ)

The new improved ACA website that will be unveiled Dec. 1 has been changed to a downloadable ACA screen saver. To ensure a first rate customer experience, all other functionality has been suspended indefinitely. Personal information such as social security number, birth date, and income can still be provided to ex-convict navigators over the phone.

Winning.

Posted by: Wm T Sherman at November 16, 2013 10:59 AM (rNCEP)

55 It seems a hell of a lot of people in Congress and the Senate are crappy and substandard. Can we get a law passed against their being continued after 2014 and 2016?

Posted by: Epobirs at November 16, 2013 11:00 AM (kcfmt)

56 Well, for employer-provided health care with my company, in my capacity as HR manager, I can perform colonoscopies, vaginoscopies, and can assist you with your 401k. I was pre-med...or was it pre-law....

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at November 16, 2013 11:01 AM (hcHS/)

57 Also, I don't want to say "I told you so." But I believe there's a post from when Ace was on vacation where I did mention such a change.

Posted by: tsrblke PhD(c) (No really!) at November 16, 2013 11:01 AM (GaqMa)

58 As Pat Buchanan put it: "Two days ago panicked Democrats looked over the railing and saw Bill Clinton rowing away in a lifeboat."

Hope Clintoon stole all the and left the rest of the Lyin Rats to drown!
Karmas a bitch, in the form of Clintoon evening up the score with the Lyin kINg!

Posted by: ConcealedKerry or SubMitt at November 16, 2013 11:01 AM (uUXp6)

59 36 I can't believe there are some on the Left still defending this insanity, and still imagining that it's going to "work" somehow. Either they are in for one of the biggest Cluebat El-Kabong experiences EVER, or we here on the right are all completely delusional. Someone is going to have his world disintegrate. At this moment, I just can't see how it's going to be us. Posted by: zombie at November 16, 2013 02:55 PM I thought it would come when they suffered sticker shock -- and for some, it did -- but many are somehow blaming the greedy insurance fat cats. There's apparently no cure for stupid that intense...

Posted by: elaine at November 16, 2013 11:01 AM (GNZ0/)

60 For some reason, you can still keep your proctologist.

Posted by: Wm T Sherman at November 16, 2013 11:02 AM (rNCEP)

61 #39

And a war is so much easier to conduct when your enemy doesn't realize or cannot admit out loud that they are being warred upon.

Posted by: Epobirs at November 16, 2013 11:02 AM (kcfmt)

62 Gee, you would think nationalizing 1/6 of the US economy would be easy or something.

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at November 16, 2013 11:03 AM (rSTkb)

63 You get between grandma and her doctor, you better believe she will be there 20 minutes before the polls open to vote your butt out And I'll bet a whole bunch of their kids and grandkids. I just hope the stupid party can make this stick to Hillary.

Posted by: shredded chi at November 16, 2013 11:03 AM (j3qlM)

64 Oh, I know I effed up. I just refuse to admit it.

Posted by: LIV Voter at November 16, 2013 11:04 AM (rkewj)

65 Just wait until the ACO rollouts begin en masse.

To quote a VP of a large health provider "We don't know what one is, and the regulations are vague, but we have to make one! So we bought a bunch of practices hoping to put it together."

It's like not knowing how to build a stock car, but figuring if you buy enough parts, you'll be able to make one. Posted by: tsrblke PhD(c) (No really!) at November 16, 2013 02:57 PM (GaqMa)

See re: heroin injection into eyeball.

Posted by: alexthechick - Is it March yet? How about now? at November 16, 2013 11:04 AM (Gk3SS)

66
I encourage those who lost physicians to call me for service. I'm not licensed to provide medical services, but my nurse wife now deceased, helped me with hemorrhoids, headaches, and the care and feeding of cats and cooters.

Motto: I'll do my best to make you happy! Cheap rates.

Doctor Fish (Faux but sincere)

Posted by: Doctor Fish at November 16, 2013 11:04 AM (pJF+c)

67 Rush introduced the idea of eugenics being introduced into the bill. I wouldn't be surprised if euthanasia and more assisted suicide type stuff isn't stuffed into it somewhere. That is how it is in Canada. The elderly will get the shaft. I met an elderly woman from Quebec who needed a hip replacement. She was told she would have to take (major) pain killers for years, because the government did not want to cover two operations within her remaining life. They were told the replacements only last so many years, so she had to wait to get it done closer to the one replacement cycle of time. I really couldn't believe it. So, here we have a case where a woman is suffering every single day of her life - hard to get around, paid her (high) taxes for years (actually ran a family owned business), and was force fed dangerous pain killers every day for years because - universal health care/single payer health care. Socialized medicine does not care about the individual. And, they care less for the elderly.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 16, 2013 11:04 AM (IXrOn)

68 The ~~Republicans~~ Democrats want ~~sick~~ old people to die quicker.

Posted by: not Alan Grayson at November 16, 2013 11:04 AM (bAGA/)

69 All of this, everything, comes down to the abuse of every American, especially the taxpayers. These people are utterly arrogant and disrespectful of us. They were too lazy and too selfish to think about how Obamacare would affect us. They could care less about the lies they told us. Elitist, arrogant, selfish king-babies.

Posted by: shelby at November 16, 2013 11:04 AM (TKaeM)

70 Just in: Skeeter will be making an announcement from the Rose Garden at 11:35 (ish) Monday morning about forcing health insurers to keep their doctors.
Meeting with health insurers to be held later that day.

Posted by: Nick Shaw at November 16, 2013 11:05 AM (9Xn+t)

71 Unexpectedly.

Forward!!

Posted by: Scanner Dan at November 16, 2013 11:05 AM (T4Ab6)

72 14 The upside to the govt paying for this is longer wait times ... cause hopefully you die before your visit and the govt doesn't incur the higher costs. Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 16, 2013 02:48 PM (ZPrif) Hang on, I thought the topic was Obamacare and not the Canadian health system. My bad.

Posted by: suitably adequate at November 16, 2013 11:06 AM (d0dHb)

73 Posted by: alexthechick - Is it March yet? How about now? at November 16, 2013 03:04 PM (Gk3SS) Since I'm blackballed anyone from any of these places, I laughed my ass off when they said that. I believe I even let slip a "Jesus, how stupid..." Meanwhile, read the article (I know, I know, bad form.) You know what's causing this? "Underfunding of Medicare advantage." Yeah those supposedly "nothing" medicare cuts, turns out they're something. Again: Told you so. (Not the horde the LIVs)

Posted by: tsrblke PhD(c) (No really!) at November 16, 2013 11:06 AM (GaqMa)

74 Call me a cynic, but I'm starting to think that this law might have been passed by an assembly of unscrupulous and duplicitous politicians with the help of an incurious and sympathetic media on a bed of outright misrepresentations and deceit.

Yeah, and I'm also certain that they did not use contraception.

Posted by: dissent555 at November 16, 2013 11:07 AM (yR6A1)

75 The entire law was based on the premise that it would operate in a vacuum. A sterile, model-like environment. But, the real world doesn't operate like that. Much to the chagrin of the academic elites who permeate the administration. The only thing that could have happened is for the law to fail in spectacular fashion.

Posted by: Jaydee at November 16, 2013 11:07 AM (E5DLT)

76 Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 16, 2013 03:04 PM (IXrOn) Eugenics you say. There's nothing of the sort in this bill. NOTHING.

Posted by: The Friendly IPAB at November 16, 2013 11:08 AM (GaqMa)

77 Off Off, sock that will be the vehicle for eugenics.

Posted by: tsrblke PhD(c) (No really!) at November 16, 2013 11:08 AM (GaqMa)

78 Because. They did not want to have anything come between their love.

Posted by: dissent555 at November 16, 2013 11:08 AM (yR6A1)

79 #42

Which is why anything that accelerates the dying of the elderly is regarded as a feature, not a bug. Big savings on the entitlements and stops those pesky conversations with younger people where they relate how they once dealt with doctors on pretty much the same basis as they did any other professional, like a plumber or landscaper.

Posted by: Epobirs at November 16, 2013 11:09 AM (kcfmt)

80
ObamaCare is similar to a giant Rubik's Cube, with every square colored red to make cubeing more fair for everyone.

Posted by: Doctor Fish at November 16, 2013 11:09 AM (pJF+c)

81 >>>"Don't piss off the old people."<<<

Or cops with a penchant for buggery.

Posted by: Fritz at November 16, 2013 11:09 AM (UzPAd)

82 Don't worry about finding a doctor. I will force them to treat you under penalty of law or if they want to keep their license.

Posted by: Obama the Enforcer or not at November 16, 2013 11:09 AM (AiZkN)

83 59. Republicans need to act to repeal this ASAP. The more phony fixes, backroom deals and hot air speeches from the vegetable garden the worse and harder it will get.

Posted by: gracepmc at November 16, 2013 11:10 AM (rznx3)

84 Meh. Doctors are overrated. A good shaman can cure many diseases and most cases of demonic possession. Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 16, 2013 02:45 PM (VAjxK) I might have to sign up with those Scientology folks. New 377,000-square-foot Scientology building has entire floor where members can get 'super powers' dailymail.uk via drudge

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 16, 2013 11:10 AM (IXrOn)

85 Just a suggestion: let's don't overlook Sheriff Joe's role in all this.

Why? Because his boss may be forced to spend more time with his family if this debacle ends up tanking the entire healthcare system, which it just might. Or somebody lets the cat out of the bag and it becomes evident to even the LoFos that this was all on purpose.

If Sheriff Joe is just as tainted, which he should be, things might become very interesting. This has the potential to get much more uglier than we can imagine right now, kids.

Posted by: Ray Van Dune at November 16, 2013 11:11 AM (qIFL7)

86 Watching this ship sinking deeper and deeper into the frigid North Atlantic waters would be funny...if I wasn't standing on the ever further listing deck. Thanks fiddytoo, ya bastards.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at November 16, 2013 11:11 AM (yh0zB)

87 You know who looks like the biggest asshole in this clusterfuck? Nope. Not Chief Dogeater. SCOAMF's gonna scoamf no matter what. Nope. Not the Dems. Again, we expect them to fuck up everything. The media. They refuse to do their job. All of this was not only predictable but clear as day. Dogeater said in 2010 that 8 to 10 million would lose their ins. He said that. Did the MSM report and follow up? Nope. Assholes.

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at November 16, 2013 11:11 AM (rSTkb)

88 Interesting tidbit I never heard before: John Maynard Keynes was a founding member of a British organization for the promotion of eugenics.

Posted by: Epobirs at November 16, 2013 11:12 AM (kcfmt)

89
You get between grandma and her doctor, you better believe she will be there 20 minutes before the polls open to vote your butt out

Executive Summary

Guess what you're going to hear your grandparents complaining about this Thanksgiving....

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at November 16, 2013 11:13 AM (kdS6q)

90 John Maynard Keynes was a founding member of a British organization for the promotion of eugenics.

He of the aphorism, "in the long run, we're all dead."

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at November 16, 2013 11:13 AM (hcHS/)

91 Dogeater said in 2010 that 8 to 10 million would lose their ins. He said that. Did the MSM report and follow up?

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I don't recall Mitt Romney mentioning that either in the Presidential campaign. Perhaps he did and I missed it.

Posted by: mama wingr at November 16, 2013 11:14 AM (P6QsQ)

IMPEACH PRESIDENT JARRETT.

Posted by: Wm T Sherman at November 16, 2013 11:14 AM (rNCEP)

93 #71

And that will stop the older ones from retiring early? I don't think so. Are you going to force them to continue practicing? That should be interesting, to have the first black President revive indentured servitude.

Posted by: Epobirs at November 16, 2013 11:14 AM (kcfmt)

94 United Healthcare is the AARP hospitalization plan.
It also includes their prescription plan, so not only will the elderly have to find a new doctor, new plan, but also a new Part D prescription plan.

Some of the states like PA that have low cost prescription plans are notifying United subscribers of other companies that will work with the state's plan. These are not Medicaid or Obamacare, these plans have been in effect long before Obamacare. In PA, for example, it's paid for by lottery money.

Right now it's renewal time for Medicare so companies have been inundating the elderly with all kinds of plan offers. This mostly affects Medicare Advantage subscribers although it could also affect some Medi-Gap plans.

Posted by: Deanna at November 16, 2013 11:14 AM (uxKPo)

95 I just got a VM from my brother. I couldn't get to the phone fast enough. They are sending him to the ER because he has fever over 105!

Posted by: Carol T at November 16, 2013 11:14 AM (z4WKX)

96 The point of Obamacare is to save money by accelerating the deaths of old white people, who are probably Republican and therefore racist anyway, so fuck em.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 16, 2013 11:16 AM (ZPrif)

97 I just introduced my 8-year old to Schoolhouse Rock--I'd love to hear their take on Obamacare.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at November 16, 2013 11:17 AM (hcHS/)

98 Carol -

That's a really high temp - I will pray for your brother.

Posted by: mama wingr at November 16, 2013 11:17 AM (P6QsQ)

99 Praying for your brother Carol ((HUGS))

Posted by: PaleRider at November 16, 2013 11:18 AM (FYUWS)

100
You know who looks like the biggest asshole in this clusterfuck?...
The media. They refuse to do their job. All of this was not only predictable but clear as day.
Posted by: weft cut-loop

Especially considering how up the media is for every other sob story. "Innocents" on death row, Alar on Apples, unintended acceleration and whatever else.

Biggest consumer fraud in history? Now they rig for silent running.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at November 16, 2013 11:18 AM (kdS6q)

101

My friends, we have nothing to fear with Barack Obama in the White House.

Posted by: John McCain at November 16, 2013 11:19 AM (Pr6hk)

102 Every old white lady who gets denied a hip replacement is considered a win under Obamacare. Every month that hip replacement gets delayed is another month Obamacare gets lucky and the old lady might just die. No old lady = no expensive hip replacement = problem solved.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 16, 2013 11:19 AM (ZPrif)

103 Biggest consumer fraud in history

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That's exactly what this is. Massive consumer fraud on a national scale.

Posted by: mama wingr at November 16, 2013 11:19 AM (P6QsQ)

104 Praying for both of you,Carol.

Posted by: Hanoverfist at November 16, 2013 11:19 AM (ecN6u)

105 The only thing saving me "currently" is that my company self insures and only uses them to administer the plan...I expect that to change soon.

Posted by: Mr. Squeeky at November 16, 2013 11:20 AM (PiTBB)

106 I am suspicious of the United Healthcare, AARP, government axis.

Posted by: gracepmc at November 16, 2013 11:21 AM (rznx3)

107 Okay, the list of folks not to forget in our "prayers":
Sheriff Joe
The media

and I will add... AARP!

Posted by: Ray Van Dune at November 16, 2013 11:21 AM (qIFL7)

108 I plan on also healing myself, with my mind.

Posted by: toby928© Destroying ObamaCare, with his mind at November 16, 2013 11:22 AM (QupBk)

109 3 more looooooooooooooong years.

Posted by: RWC at November 16, 2013 11:22 AM (LpbKr)

110 Obongo resigns due to....something.....Sherrif Joe becomes POTUS.......Appoints Hitlery Vice POTUS!

Well played CommieCrats......Well Played!

Oh and teh stupid Party runs McStain again or Bush Vorhess IV or The Crispy Creme who has a heart attack or big mac attack on the campaign trail!

Posted by: ConcealedKerry or SubMitt at November 16, 2013 11:23 AM (uUXp6)

111 The GOP ought to get out there right now and set the tone: "The same people who can't make healthcare.gov work want you to believe computer models that claim dangerous warming is happening today - even though real measured temperatures have been flat for two decades." "The same guy who just gave you healthcare with twice the premium, twice the deductible, and half the doctors you used to have wants you to believe he can get a better deal with the Iranians." "Do you think the guy who lied two dozen times about keeping your health insurance has told the truth about ANYTHING since 2008?"

Posted by: JEM at November 16, 2013 11:23 AM (o+SC1)

112 Excerpt from Sen. Ron Johnson's (R-WI) weekly GOP address this morning:

Â“President ObamaÂ’s so-called apology, was as phony as his fraudulent marketing of Obamacare. He seemed to be saying he was sorry Americans actually believed him, but took no responsibility for their plight. It was like telling someone youÂ’re sorry their dog died, but refusing to acknowledge you ran over the dog.

Â“Sorry Mr. President, it didnÂ’t work. Millions of Americans are coming to realize that those are your tire tracks on their cancelled policies. It is also obvious that you didnÂ’t inadvertently misspeak when you promised Americans they can keep their doctors and health plans Â– and do it all at a lower cost.

Â“Those assurances werenÂ’t slight exaggerations or innocent shadings of the truth. They were statements that were fully vetted, coldly calculated, and carefully crafted to deceptively sell your health care plan to a trusting public. It was a political fraud echoed relentlessly by House and Senate Democrats who should be held accountable for the disastrous consequences of their grand deception.

Â“Consumer fraud this massive in the private sector could Â– and should Â– bear serious legal ramifications."

Posted by: mama wingr at November 16, 2013 11:23 AM (P6QsQ)

113 And suddenly the adoring crowds began to realize that despite the Proclamation from Beloved Leader, chocolate rations being "raised" from 25 grams a month to 20 grams a month did not seem as satisfying. Murmurs of discontent began to slowly spread among their midst.

Safely away in a private minaret, Beloved Leader closed his eyes and savored the comforting sound of the evening call to prayer, contemplating how sweet his legacy would be after delivering the key to the atomic bomb to his mentoring mullahs.

Posted by: Adjoran at November 16, 2013 11:23 AM (473jB)

114 Massive consumer fraud on a national scale. This entire administration will be remembered as the largest smash-and-grab robbery in human history. I would say that a good $5T has been looted so far.

Posted by: toby928© Destroying ObamaCare, with his mind at November 16, 2013 11:23 AM (QupBk)

115 You get between grandma and her doctor, you better believe she will be there 20 minutes before the polls open to vote your butt out.

Posted by: mama wingr at November 16, 2013 02:57 PM (P6QsQ)

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Unless she dies first, then she'll vote democrat.

Posted by: Soona at November 16, 2013 11:24 AM (66ULQ)

116
You can keep your plan = Lie

It will save you money = Lie

You can keep your doctor = Lie

It will be easy to buy = Lie

It will be better insurance = Lie

Is there anything about this clusterfuck that isn't a lie?

Posted by: Dang at November 16, 2013 11:24 AM (YWXTN)

117 Thank you all for your prayers. There is one nurse in the ER that wonÂ’t tell me anything. The rest are wonderful. IÂ’ll call in an hour or so. Carol

Posted by: CarolT at November 16, 2013 11:24 AM (z4WKX)

118 94: Oblama wants to ban self-insurance. But if he fails to do that I don't know why any company would drop doing that, especially now when its gotten even more expensive to buy policies -- and I think it might be an option for folks who would otherwise be forced onto a $$$ crappy exchange plan to see if there is any insurance co-op or group in their state that lets people buy into a group self-insurance plan.

Posted by: PaleRider at November 16, 2013 11:25 AM (FYUWS)

119 99 Obongo resigns due to....something.....Sherrif Joe becomes POTUS

Ahem... exactly my point above, 99.

Posted by: Ray Van Dune at November 16, 2013 11:25 AM (qIFL7)

120 Egads...it's almost as if this Obama chap is a malignant liar and a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure.

Posted by: Stu-22 at November 16, 2013 11:25 AM (k4bdL)

121 At this stage the only thing I'm gonna be able to keep is my pharmacy.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 16, 2013 11:26 AM (ZPrif)

122 81
IMPEACH PRESIDENT JARRETT.

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Heh. This.

Posted by: Stu-22 at November 16, 2013 11:27 AM (k4bdL)

123

um...do I get to keep my witch doctor?

Published: 11/05/2012 at 10:29 AM

KOGELO, Kenya (AP) Â— At President Barack ObamaÂ’s ancestral village in Kenya, witch doctor John Dimo tossed some shells, bones and other items to determine who will win TuesdayÂ’s election.

Posted by: dealkiller at November 16, 2013 11:27 AM (pYngv)

124

My prediction? P A I N

Posted by: Barry 'Clubber Lang' Soetoro at November 16, 2013 11:27 AM (Pr6hk)

125 Is there anything about this clusterfuck that isn't a lie? Posted by: Dang at November 16, 2013 03:24 PM (YWXTN) 'Nobody is as upset as me' - HUGE freaking lie

Posted by: RWC at November 16, 2013 11:27 AM (LpbKr)

126

I found out too late that I couldn't keep my security detail.

Posted by: Ambassador Stevens at November 16, 2013 11:28 AM (Pr6hk)

127

Coat hangers for the lot of ya.

Posted by: Dr. Gosnell at November 16, 2013 11:29 AM (Pr6hk)

128 It will be easy to buy = Lie It will be better insurance = Lie Posted by: Dang It won't add one dollar to our debt. ( *fist through monitor* )

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at November 16, 2013 11:29 AM (rSTkb)

129 So how does one become a witch doctor? Cause I'm smelling opportunity here...

(smells a lot like shit)

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at November 16, 2013 11:29 AM (yh0zB)

130 From the department of environmental nonsense comes ...

The consequences are so severe that environmentalists and many scientists have now rejected corn-based ethanol as bad environmental policy. But the Obama administration stands by it, highlighting its benefits to the farming industry rather than any negative impact.

Farmers planted 15 million more acres of corn last year than before the ethanol boom, and the effects are visible in places like south central Iowa.

The hilly, once-grassy landscape is made up of fragile soil that, unlike the earth in the rest of the state, is poorly suited for corn. Nevertheless, it has yielded to AmericaÂ’s demand for it.

Â“TheyÂ’re raping the land,Â” said Bill Alley, a member of the board of supervisors in Wayne County, which now bears little resemblance to the rolling cow pastures shown in postcards sold at a Corydon pharmacy.

Posted by: Rachel Carson at November 16, 2013 11:30 AM (e8kgV)

131 I found out too late that I couldn't keep my security detail.

Posted by: Ambassador Stevens at November 16, 2013 03:28 PM (Pr6hk)

---------------------------------------------

I found out too late that I should have run, not walked, through Ft. Marcy Park.

Posted by: Vince Foster at November 16, 2013 11:32 AM (66ULQ)

132 This tongue depressor may or may not resemble a penis. Pay it no mind.

Posted by: Dr. Fritz at November 16, 2013 11:33 AM (UzPAd)

133 Is there anything about this clusterfuck that isn't a lie?

Posted by: Dang at November 16, 2013 03:24 PM (YWXTN)

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Yes. You must sign up or pay a penalty.

Posted by: mama wingr at November 16, 2013 11:33 AM (P6QsQ)

134

♫ He calls me ♫

♫ Doctor Love ♫

Posted by: Reggie Love at November 16, 2013 11:34 AM (Pr6hk)

135 If you dig your oxycontin you can keep your oxtyxontin period you used up old raisin.

Posted by: Joe Isuzu at November 16, 2013 11:35 AM (0Ltoz)

136 Yes. You must sign up or pay a penalty.

Posted by: mama wingr at November 16, 2013 03:33 PM (P6QsQ)

It's a TAX!

Posted by: John Roberts at November 16, 2013 11:35 AM (66ULQ)

137 117 It will be easy to buy = Lie

It will be better insurance = Lie

Posted by: Dang

It won't add one dollar to our debt.
( *fist through monitor* )

Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 16, 2013 03:29 PM (rSTkb)

I don't know about that last one. The CBO found it to be deficit neutral. They always are right on with their estimates.

Posted by: NWConservative at November 16, 2013 11:36 AM (M1gmo)

138 From last thread: If you were a Jew in Nazi Germany before 1939 and that nastiness, they were very happy to let you go. If you paid the exit fee that usually was equal to almost 100% of your assets. ------------------------- The same, except, if you were *anyone* in Cuba in 1960 or so. You got to leave with a suitcase of clothing, *only*.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at November 16, 2013 11:36 AM (aDwsi)

139

No Doctorb, No worry.

Just take this pill and get on the train... Kulak.

Posted by: Barack O'Stalin at November 16, 2013 11:36 AM (Pr6hk)

140 Ain't no mizzlin' from this preezy!!

Posted by: Debbie Washerhair Schultz at November 16, 2013 11:37 AM (aTXUx)

141 You can find a doctor almost anywhere, but where else could we have found such creases?

Posted by: David Brooks at November 16, 2013 11:37 AM (Pr6hk)

142 Obama apology: "I am sorry you believed me."

Posted by: Mike Hammer at November 16, 2013 11:38 AM (aDwsi)

143 I want the SCOAMF to suffer & Pelosi & Reid too. He's going to be a lame duck for the rest the time he is in office. I could swear Rush said Andrew McCarthty had piece at NRO about how close, legally, that The JEF is to being guilty of high crimes & misdemeanors, an impeachable offense. I will have to listen to Rush's Thursday show.

Posted by: Carol T at November 16, 2013 11:38 AM (z4WKX)

144 132 I want the SCOAMF to suffer & Pelosi & Reid too.
He's going to be a lame duck for the rest the time he is in office.

I could swear Rush said Andrew McCarthty had piece at NRO about how close, legally, that The JEF is to being guilty of high crimes & misdemeanors, an impeachable offense.

I will have to listen to Rush's Thursday show.

Posted by: Carol T at November 16, 2013 03:38 PM (z4WKX)

He is already guilty. The republican house just needs to get some balls and impeach.

Posted by: NWConservative at November 16, 2013 11:39 AM (M1gmo)

145 Before all of this is over we'll be getting coathanger appendectomies in back allys.

Posted by: Soona at November 16, 2013 11:39 AM (66ULQ)

146

The only Democrat I know of with the experience to 'fix' ObamaCare is Janet Reno

Posted by: David Koresh at November 16, 2013 11:40 AM (Pr6hk)

147 I'm not interested in impeachment unless it leads to conviction in the Senate. The cities will burn, though.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at November 16, 2013 11:41 AM (oFCZn)

148

HOW can we make the doctors treat the people, massa?

Posted by: Elizabeth Warren at November 16, 2013 11:41 AM (Pr6hk)

149 He is already guilty. The republican house just needs to get some balls and impeach.

Posted by: NWConservative at November 16, 2013 03:39 PM (M1gmo)

I love this place. Come for the info, stay for the humor...

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at November 16, 2013 11:42 AM (yh0zB)

150 Baraka Obama is Timothy McVeigh on meth.

Posted by: Soona at November 16, 2013 11:42 AM (66ULQ)

151

Prolly won't even be able to keep our Dr. Pepper.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at November 16, 2013 11:42 AM (N/Sup)

152 I saw United Health Group open for Manfred Mann's Earth Band in 77.

Posted by: phreshone at November 16, 2013 11:43 AM (Pr6hk)

153 ObamaCare is not the hill to fight on.

Posted by: Mitch The Bitch McConnell at November 16, 2013 11:44 AM (Pr6hk)

154 Prolly won't even be able to keep our Dr. Pepper. Posted by: Seamus -------------------- Do not be concerned, Mr. Pibb at the IRS will be looking after you.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at November 16, 2013 11:44 AM (aDwsi)

155 #130 RE: David Brooks I laughed when I read this Daily Caller headline: David Brooks 'surprised' by Obama's low poll numbers

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 16, 2013 11:45 AM (IXrOn)

156 NWConservative, I don't have coordination to cut & paste on my iPad. I know he's been guilty for ages, you cannot selectively enforce parts of one law & ignore others. Why the House lets him get away with it is easy. They'll be claims of racism! Didn't that Oprah clown already say something this week? Why is everything now about race?

Posted by: Carol T at November 16, 2013 11:45 AM (z4WKX)

157
Somebody is gonna propose legalizing pot and taxing it to pay for Obamacare.

Posted by: Ed Anger at November 16, 2013 11:45 AM (tOkJB)

158 No, really, back when I was your age we could choose our own doctor, insurance plan, whatever, instead of them being assigned by The Government.

Posted by: Elderly Moron speaking to Young Moron at November 16, 2013 11:46 AM (rkewj)

159 Keep .. Obama keeps using that word. I do not think it means what he thinks it means

Posted by: Inigo Montoya at November 16, 2013 11:46 AM (aTXUx)

160 David Brooks 'surprised' by Obama's low poll numbers

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 16, 2013 03:45 PM (IXrOn)

Too funny

Posted by: phreshone at November 16, 2013 11:47 AM (Pr6hk)

161 No, really, back when I was your age we could choose our own doctor, insurance plan, whatever, instead of them being assigned by The Government. Posted by: Elderly Moron ------------------ Moreover, it we didn't want insurance, we didn't buy insurance, and no one in any segment of the government gave a crap, because it was our *private* business.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at November 16, 2013 11:48 AM (aDwsi)

162

Lastday, Capricorn 29's. Year of the City: 2274. Carousel begins.

Posted by: Logan's Run comes to life at November 16, 2013 11:48 AM (Pr6hk)

163 No, really, back when I was your age we could choose our own doctor, insurance plan, whatever, instead of them being assigned by The Government.

Posted by: Elderly Moron speaking to Young Moron at November 16, 2013 03:46 PM (rkewj)

Tell us again about when your doctor would make house calls and you could afford to pay his bill in cash!

Tell us again about how you used to be able to purchase ammo at the local hardware store!

Posted by: Hrothgar (Medicare and DMV Administraitor) at November 16, 2013 11:49 AM (XdnQT)

164 Carol, it may have been Rush, either that or I read it somewhere. But they go on to explain that while an impeachment case can be made, there is not the political will to do it. They may have tossed in a bone about not the political will, yet --but unless black leaders start calling for that 1/2 white, and more arab than black, chicago grifter to be impeached I don't think the politicians will have the spine to do it even if there is a conservative election tsunami in 2014, certainly there wont be enough spine if its a GOP tsunami but w/o a lot of new conservatives. And we don't know if the MarxSpewMedia is only criticizing O and Ocare now as a move to have enough cred left to get LIVs to vote D in November and they might get away with it too given recent history.

Posted by: PaleRider at November 16, 2013 11:49 AM (FYUWS)

165

Capricorn 15's. Born 2244. Enter the Carousel. This is the time of renewal.

[Crowd applauds]

Be strong and you will be renewed. Identify.

Posted by: Logan's Run comes to life at November 16, 2013 11:49 AM (Pr6hk)

166 110 I can keep my pharmacy--but it COSTS more. Not a "preferred pharmacy" I am told.

Posted by: NCwoof at November 16, 2013 11:50 AM (aUQgu)

167 Tell us again about how you used to be able to purchase ammo at the local hardware store! ---------------- And guns at Western Auto, and Sears. I seem to recall that Sears even had surplus M-1 Carbines for sale. Oh, and surplus military weapons by mail.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at November 16, 2013 11:50 AM (aDwsi)

168

Just wondering when the knee pad media will realize they were used like a condom during the @ss raping of the American heath insurance and healthcare system, and the large number of Americans directly affected by the fraud perpetrated by president substandard.

Posted by: the condom media at November 16, 2013 11:51 AM (eQZZW)

169

Well The Party has their excuse / talking point. The only way to fix the mess Fox News created is to pass amnesty.

Posted by: burmatar at November 16, 2013 11:51 AM (khpOW)

170 Prospect of Senate flipping next year is intoxicating. Zero gets to spend 2 years getting told FU.

Posted by: Buckeye at November 16, 2013 11:52 AM (l6Ooe)

171 152 Hell. You could buy ammo at the bait and liquor store.

Posted by: NCwoof at November 16, 2013 11:53 AM (aUQgu)

172 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable tyrant.

Posted by: chiefjaybob at November 16, 2013 11:53 AM (cgH9o)

173 Just wondering when the knee pad media will realize they were used like a condom... ------------------- I believe that they were willing, if tacit, conspirators. Not a matter of ignorance at all, they are Fellow Travelers.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at November 16, 2013 11:53 AM (aDwsi)

174 Thread d'auto toute suite!

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at November 16, 2013 11:54 AM (xhhOl)

175 I found out too late i should have kept that blue dress,

Oh, wait here it is right here, on the billing records like table!

Posted by: ConcealedKerry or SubMitt at November 16, 2013 11:55 AM (uUXp6)

176 Pale Rider, it's purely because of his race. Bush didn't break any laws & the media was crying for his impeachment. I remember parking next to a car with a bumper sticker with Bush Lied, People Died! if I wasn't brought up properly, I might have scratched that car with my keys, but I didn't.

Posted by: Carol T at November 16, 2013 11:56 AM (z4WKX)

177 150 "And then, to show we were stalwart people of unflinching principle, we stayed home on election day because our candidates failed our tests of sufficient ideological purity and established the conditions for THIS whole clusterfuck to come about"

Posted by: DAve at November 16, 2013 11:57 AM (b7yum)

178 Why is everything now about race?

Posted by: Carol T at November 16, 2013 03:45 PM (z4WKX)

Because it is the sure way to deflect all criticism of SCOAMF's "accomplishments."

Posted by: Retread at November 16, 2013 11:57 AM (IiAs3)

179 Buckeye, but Zero wont care --unless that congress blocks him going around them with EOs and to do that they have to be willing to at least hold impeachment hearings. Unless the truth can get some traction somehow against the MBM commie propagandists TFG will continue to have a whole lot of power to damage the USA. I fear we are in for 3 more years of pain.

Posted by: PaleRider at November 16, 2013 11:58 AM (FYUWS)

180 How bad is United Healthcare? Ask anyone who has Tricare military health insurance which switched from Triwest to United Healthcare. Oh,and UHC notified doctors about not providing service back in July but are just now getting around to notifying patients.

Just search United Healthcare reviews complaints.

Posted by: Deanna at November 16, 2013 11:58 AM (uxKPo)

181 I called ER, Paul's fever is down to 101.7 but he's in a lot of pain. They transferred me to his room, but a nurse picked up. I forgot to say that all this week, through Thursday, his oxygen levels have been too low. They are supposed to be in 90s, but his have been in the 80s. I think he's got another UTI & pneumonia again. Paul didn't know if he still had pneumonia Tuesday .

Posted by: Carol T at November 16, 2013 12:00 PM (z4WKX)

182 Posted by: DAve at November 16, 2013 03:57 PM (b7yum)

Not sure that was the only reason Obama "won", but I cannot comprehend how any sane person could have preferred to give Obama even the slightest chance to have power in a second term. Romney, at his worst, could never have wreaked the enduring havoc upon us that Obama will do for the next 3+ years!

Posted by: Hrothgar (Medicare and DMV Administraitor) at November 16, 2013 12:00 PM (XdnQT)

183 I don't know about that last one. The CBO found it to be deficit neutral. They always are right on with their estimates. Posted by: NWConservative Do you believe they scored the risk corridor? It's a multi-billion dollar hole in the bucket. Sorry, amigo. It's bullshit top to bottom, stem to stern.

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at November 16, 2013 12:01 PM (rSTkb)

184 Prayer in time of adversity: http://reflectjoy.blogspot.com/2008/06/prayer-in-times-of-adversity.html

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 16, 2013 12:02 PM (23Kgq)

185 I saw Eugenics and Euthanasia open for Eric Clapton at Alpine Valley in 1989. Man, they sucked. Got booed off the stage.

Posted by: chiefjaybob at November 16, 2013 12:03 PM (cgH9o)

186 Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 16, 2013 04:01 PM (rSTkb)

IIRC, CBO budget scoring is done under "ground rules" set by Congress, not rules established by an impartial outside review group. So Mr CBO, if you like your job, and want to keep your job...

Posted by: Hrothgar (Medicare and DMV Administraitor) at November 16, 2013 12:03 PM (XdnQT)

187 147 No, really, back when I was your age we could choose our own doctor, insurance plan, whatever, instead of them being assigned by The Government.

Posted by: Elderly Moron speaking to Young Moron at November 16, 2013 03:46 PM (rkewj)

doctor?

Posted by: Young Moron at November 16, 2013 12:03 PM (AWmfW)

188 I will be again lifting up your brother Paul in prayer, Carol-and you too.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 16, 2013 12:04 PM (23Kgq)

189

171 Exactly. If I only have a choice between two restaurants, one that sucks badly and one that sucks worse, I'll eat at the one that sucks badly every time.

People who can't understand this little parable are probably not smart enough to understand any explanation I could give

Posted by: DAve at November 16, 2013 12:04 PM (b7yum)

190 I never expected to like anything that Bill Clinton said, but he did make SCOAMF panic.

Posted by: Carol T at November 16, 2013 12:04 PM (z4WKX)

191 Carol, the media hides behind TFGs race as their excuse to cover for him. They knowingly pushed him into office purely to have that excuse handy when they get caught. Look at how they treated Clinton vs Bush. Do not buy for one second that 98% the media is just scared of being called racist when they withhold facts or just reprint the lying talking points put out by this administration, they are striving to hurry along the utopia they imagine full on socialism will be.

Posted by: PaleRider at November 16, 2013 12:05 PM (FYUWS)

192 Consequuntur actionem affirmativam

Posted by: toby928© Destroying ObamaCare, with his mind at November 16, 2013 12:06 PM (QupBk)

193 "I never expected to like anything that Bill Clinton said, but he did make SCOAMF panic."

Even better than that he gave the Lyin Rats permission to head for the life boats while the Titanic is still above water line,,,,barely!

Posted by: ConcealedKerry or SubMitt at November 16, 2013 12:09 PM (uUXp6)

194 nu up

Posted by: DAve at November 16, 2013 12:09 PM (b7yum)

195 I don't know about that last one. The CBO found it to be deficit neutral. They always are right on with their estimates.
Posted by: NWConservative

Do you believe they scored the risk corridor?

It's a multi-billion dollar hole in the bucket.

Sorry, amigo. It's bullshit top to bottom, stem to stern.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 16, 2013 04:01 PM (rSTkb)

I was being sarcastic! When has the CBO, other than the medicare expansion under bush II (which it was still wrong, came in under budget), been right?

Posted by: NWConservative at November 16, 2013 12:09 PM (M1gmo)

196 I posted an IBD editorial from late October here about a costly Medicare benefit that enraged senior citizens. Ir was repealed. That's the only thing to do with TFGcare, full repeal.

Posted by: Carol T at November 16, 2013 12:10 PM (z4WKX)

197 I have no patience for the dummies who claim they're shocked by this stuff. Hundreds, if not thousands, of people have been warning of this for years. The only upside is that it looks like the entire country is going to be blessed with something akin to the VA health system. When that happens, there WILL be riots.

Posted by: Queequeg the Harpooner at November 16, 2013 12:11 PM (O7OxF)

198 How bad is United Healthcare? Ask anyone who has Tricare military health insurance which switched from Triwest to United Healthcare. Oh,and UHC notified doctors about not providing service back in July but are just now getting around to notifying patients.

Just search United Healthcare reviews complaints.

Posted by: Deanna at November 16, 2013 03:58 PM (uxKPo)

------------------------------------------------

I've had UHC for almost ten years and they've treated me very well.

Posted by: Soona at November 16, 2013 12:11 PM (66ULQ)

199 Thank you Fenelon. Carol

Posted by: Carol T at November 16, 2013 12:23 PM (z4WKX)

200 If you like your mortician, you can keep your mortician. Period. And remember, with Obamacare, you get free referrals to any coroner you wish.

Posted by: Yancey Ward at November 16, 2013 12:23 PM (RGR0F)

201 ...an assembly of unscrupulous and duplicitous politicians with... Isn't that basically what most politicians are?

Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at November 16, 2013 12:26 PM (VVsZ2)

202 The only upside is that it looks like the entire country is going to be blessed with something akin to the VA health system.

I admire your optimism.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™, drinking beer at November 16, 2013 12:27 PM (hO8IJ)

203
I cannot comprehend how any sane person could have preferred to give Obama even the slightest chance to have power in a second term.

Posted by: Hrothgar (Medicare and DMV Administraitor) at November 16, 2013 04:00 PM (XdnQT)

Honey, it's all about the bennies. I lay around flat-backing for fun and profit while you work your ass off to pay me to smoke ganja, fuck like a mink, knock back booze, and enjoy the good life.

Posted by: Rachel Jeantel (Smarter Than Whitey) at November 16, 2013 12:30 PM (pJF+c)

204 This guy doesn't know his ass from an outboard motor. His great policies have all either been effortless plays to his base, or written for him by others. He's gone along with that, and this time it's blown up in his face. Granny Rictus jumped on a panicked opportunity to run the table and the long bet has collapsed because no one had the opportunity to think it through or doubt their own invulnerability.

Posted by: --- at November 16, 2013 12:30 PM (MMC8r)

205 Prospect of Senate flipping next year is intoxicating. Zero gets to spend 2 years getting told FU. If that's what you're hoping, don't get them up too high. The current Republican "leadership" haven't demonstrated they have that kind of balls. When Obama's media lickspittles start attacking (and they will have a racial component), the Republican old guard will shrink back and slink away with their tails between their legs.

Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at November 16, 2013 12:32 PM (VVsZ2)

206 Bush is the liar, not President Obama. Why are all of you so blind ????

Posted by: Chrissy Liebowitz at November 16, 2013 12:45 PM (EUKai)

207
The elderly losing their doctor must be very stressful. My mom who passed this year on Valentine's day at 100 years, loved her doctor and considered it a social event on her bi-annual visits.

I am thankful she doesn't have to witness this insult, and that sentiment is also applicable for my dad, a WWII pilot who would have been ready to "shoot the bastard down like we did the Japs."

Posted by: Doctor Fish at November 16, 2013 12:47 PM (pJF+c)

208
Chrissy, you ignorant slut!

Posted by: Doctor Fish at November 16, 2013 12:48 PM (pJF+c)

209 Smooth Ride and Tight Controls ? Sounds like a Polish Wife.

Posted by: 7 Days in May at November 16, 2013 01:00 PM (j6DTo)

210 The media isn't "mad" at Bambi and the Dems because some journalists are losing coverage. They are "mad" because it's not an election year. The ballwashing will recommence around May.

Posted by: The Mega Independent at November 16, 2013 01:07 PM (4/o9U)

211 First, individual plan holders couldn't keep their insurance.
Prices are going up, not down.

Now, You Can't Keep Your Doctor, Either!

Next thing we are going to find out is that ObamaCare had nothing to do with helping the uninsured get insurance - like it was just nothing more than a power grab of 1/6th of the entire US economy?

Can I at least have my own slave-physician that I can keep in a cage in the garage behind the cat littler, or will they make me share with the whole neighborhood.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at November 16, 2013 01:08 PM (80R0X)

212 They themselves were running around saying Democrats would be able to run on this success.
Posted by: JohnE.

They thought Solyndra would be great.

Posted by: DaveA at November 16, 2013 01:13 PM (DL2i+)

213
"Call me a cynic ..."

No, not a cynic. A raaaaaacisssttttt!

Posted by: Liberal Moonbat at November 16, 2013 01:43 PM (a5bF3)

214 It is only a Parody Presidency my boy.

Posted by: 7 Days in May at November 16, 2013 02:47 PM (j6DTo)

The Onion has done a great job the last 5 years making us believe this has been real. Obama is their best parody ever!

Posted by: Zombie John Gotti at November 16, 2013 01:45 PM (1hekh)

215 Next up: the American version of UK's NHS Liverpool Care Pathway. THAT is very efficient at killing old folks.

"One patient under the LCP was 90-year-old Kathleen Vine.

Her granddaughters, Helen Bishop and Alison English, say the LCP was used as a justification for sedating Mrs Vine and denying her food and water.

"Nan didn't want to die, it wouldn't even have been euthanasia. So, as far as we're concerned, it would have felt to us as if our Nan would have been starved to death and killed," Alison said.

Mrs Vine was taken to hospital with a dislocated shoulder, and a few days after being admitted she developed pneumonia.

"All I remember is they weren't feeding me. Up above my bed they put 'Nil by mouth' and I was begging for food," she recalled.

She said that when she asked doctors and nurses for food, she was ignored.

"I was being left to die. If it hadn't have been for my family I would be dead now. I would just have been another statistic on the books."

Her family were told she had 48 hours to live but when her granddaughters visited her in hospital they said she did not look like someone who was dying.

"Nanny was sitting up in bed and she was saying, "I'm really hungry, I'm really thirsty," said Helen.

"We were ushered into an office with five medical staff and told about the LCP and that Nan was very elderly and her system was shutting down and there was not a lot they could do. So they would withdraw the food and meds and let her go peacefully.

"We said, 'but she's got a dislocated shoulder, how can this happen?' And they were saying, 'She is very old' and we had five people staring at us and it was very intimidating," Helen said. . . .

Read the rest for a preview of coming nightmares:
http://preview.tinyurl.com/mfjuhgd

Posted by: Beverly at November 16, 2013 09:54 PM (EHYXN)

216 Wasn't the law written by a bunch of radical hardcore lefties in the Apollo Coalition or something?

Posted by: Mistress Overdone at November 16, 2013 10:18 PM (2/oBD)

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