March 27, 2013

NBC: "surging" student loan debt "crushing" the system [Purp]
— Open Blogger

Well, the cat is out of the bag now.

The U.S. Department of Education said 6.8 million federal student loan borrowers are now in default, representing $85 billion in debt. [$85B? The sequester was how big?] And the department's systems for collecting the bad loans are struggling to keep up.

The Department's Office of Inspector General found in December that more than $1.1 billion in defaulted student loans were stuck in a sort of computer limbo.

"The Department is not pursuing collection remedies and borrowers are unable to take steps to remove their loans from default status," wrote Assistant Inspector General for Audit Patrick Howard in the December 13 report, which blames a system installed in 2011 by Xerox that is supposed to transfer defaulted loan accounts from servicing companies to private collection agencies. Those collection firms have considerable power, including the ability to garnish up to 15 percent of a borrower's wages. But none of that can happen until the accounts are transferred.

So, basically, there's no actual collections actions happening against a billion bucks worth of deadbeat loans because of some "computer glitch".

This looks like a pretty expensive glitch now that its been going on for a couple of years, but I'm sure Xerox is darkening the skies and clogging airports with consultants, TOP MEN, EXPERTS, the freaking PROS FROM DOVER and it'll all be sorted out in a jiffy(*).

(*) In government parlance, a jiffy is roughly about 20 years +/-5yr

Don't panic. TOP MEN are all over this.


Comments seem to be hosed again...NOW you can panic

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1 Putting cats in bags can be cruel.

Posted by: A cynical but rarely angry Adriane at March 27, 2013 11:01 PM (TvO05)

2 Putting cats in bags with Xerox machines can be cruel to multiple copies of the cat ...

Posted by: A cynical but rarely angry Adriane at March 27, 2013 11:01 PM (TvO05)

3 .

Posted by: @PurpAv at March 27, 2013 11:03 PM (/gHaE)

4 Putting cats in bags with Xeros machines and sealing them too tightly can very Schrödingerishous...

Posted by: A cynical but rarely angry Adriane at March 27, 2013 11:03 PM (TvO05)

5 The debt comes in ... On little cat feet. The interest alone, Takes both catnip and meat ...

Posted by: A cynical but rarely angry Adriane at March 27, 2013 11:06 PM (TvO05)

6 LOL! Oh, man! Top men are all over this! What a hoot!!

Posted by: and irresolute at March 27, 2013 11:11 PM (DBH1h)

7 Feds have no worries.they willtake care.andmay have totake alittle from ur SSDI check,ju.st take-ie theblue obama-scare pill. You'll be fine..we're from the gubmint& here to help.

Posted by: Revisionisthistory phdee at March 27, 2013 11:14 PM (VmEIG)

8 You know what the greatest legacy of the US will be after its gone and being analyzed by future historians? 

Not atomic weapons.  Not any scientific discoveries, or social advances.

Our greatest legacy will the the automation of incompetence to a level where it destroyed the nation.

Posted by: @PurpAv at March 27, 2013 11:15 PM (/gHaE)

9 Our greatest legacy will the the automation of incompetence to a level where it destroyed the nation. Posted by: @PurpAv at March 28, 2013 03:15 AM (/gHaE) Not sure where I read it - preinternet, very preinternet ... "Racial Equality is not when a talented black man can go as far as a talented white man; but rather, when an incompetent black man can go as far as an incompetent white man." Racial Equality it is ...

Posted by: A cynical but rarely angry Adriane at March 27, 2013 11:20 PM (TvO05)

10 Smug young white people educated beyond their intelligence are Obama's real base. If he cracks down on student loans, he'll be the most hated man in America.

Posted by: AmishDude at March 27, 2013 11:34 PM (xSegX)

11 Incompetence or a thumb on the scale for an Obama voter bloc?

Posted by: Jean at March 27, 2013 11:34 PM (qjFNd)

12 If he cracks down on student loans, he'll be the most hated man in America. But they can only hate his white half or their heads will explode ...

Posted by: A cynical but rarely angry Adriane at March 27, 2013 11:35 PM (TvO05)

13

8....Our greatest legacy will the automation of incompetence to a level where it destroyed the nation.

 

Yeah, for all their wonderful uses...computers really have become the greatest cloaking devices for incompetence ever created.

But I'm sure it's going on in other countries too.

 

Uh...wasn't there something going on back in 2011 about "debt forgiveness for student loans"?

Weren't the Dems and Barky pushing for it? 

 

My sleepy brain can't remember for sure...but it was about the time that the Occupy movement was getting started.

 

 It just strikes me as being...convenient...that a 'faulty' program would prevent debt collection efforts on student loans, during an election cycle, when Barky wanted votes from that demographic group.

 

Posted by: wheatie at March 27, 2013 11:38 PM (UMBJ2)

14 ,

Posted by: @PurpAv at March 27, 2013 11:46 PM (/gHaE)

15 What happened

Posted by: Jean at March 27, 2013 11:46 PM (qjFNd)

16 wasn't there something going on back in 2011 about "debt forgiveness for student loans"?

I think there's a 15 year period in ObamaCare that forgives remaining debt.  If you can string them along for 15 years, you're off the hook

Posted by: @PurpAv at March 27, 2013 11:47 PM (/gHaE)

17 If you can string them along for 15 years, you're off the hook superduper Phd.s for Everyone !!!!

Posted by: A cynical but rarely angry Adriane at March 27, 2013 11:49 PM (TvO05)

18

16...I think there's a 15 year period in ObamaCare that forgives remaining debt. If you can string them along for 15 years, you're off the hook

 

For real?

Wouldn't surprise me...they threw everything but the kitchen sink into Ocare.

 

Making doctors ask their patients "how many guns do you have" has nothing to do with healthcare.

So sure, why not something in there to take care of student debt too.

Posted by: wheatie at March 27, 2013 11:56 PM (UMBJ2)

19 Sallie Mae called me about my loans this week.

i told them i had made a whopping $200 so far this year and how much did they want.

they said they would send me some forms to delay my payments some more.

#GoodTimes!

Posted by: redc1c4 at March 27, 2013 11:58 PM (8MasJ)

20 Apparently there's a slew of ways to have student loan debt forgiven and financial aid programs pimp them as perfectly acceptable options

http://www.finaid.org/loans/forgiveness.phtml


Posted by: @PurpAv at March 28, 2013 12:01 AM (/gHaE)

21 This was a big deal with the Occupy-tards. Uncle Sugar is gonna forgive all these loans in time for the 2014 or 2016 elections... Winning!!!

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at March 28, 2013 12:02 AM (UTq/I)

22 Smug young white people educated beyond their intelligence are Obama's real base.



Education:


Where the Hell is the Cafeteria, and Why Can't I Find it when Hungover -- 111. 2 Units.


3 Freshman courses in -- Gauge the Prof's Opinion and Repeat it for Him -- 101, 105, and 201; 9 units.



Why Free Speech is Really Fascism 200. 3 Units unless you are Mormon, then it is -1.



Recite the Prof's Opinion as if I Completely Believe It -- 301, 331, and 401; 11 units with labs. 



All Men Suck, and Even Mentioning it is Rape 342.  3 Units.



Completely Useless Shit that No One will ever Pay You to Do -- Multiple Classes making up 112 Units, of which at least 30 units must be in the areas of --   Why Men Suck, Why White People Suck, Why Christians Suck, or Why American History is Bullshit Because they all Suck.



It's great to have a degree.  Now if I could just find a job.

Posted by: jc at March 28, 2013 12:09 AM (PlzOe)

23 Great News, jc!!!! It's at the end of your last sentence in comment 22.

Posted by: A cynical but rarely angry Adriane at March 28, 2013 12:11 AM (TvO05)

24

Makin' cadres. Take a course in advanced marxism. Run up the debt. Torpedo the system with it. Built in bomb throwing.

Posted by: otho at March 28, 2013 12:17 AM (yBF/9)

25 Hey Adriane !!


I was just trying out my new cynic outfit.  Fits pretty good even with love handles.

Posted by: jc at March 28, 2013 12:20 AM (PlzOe)

26 We're gonna run out of OPM pretty soon...

Posted by: @PurpAv at March 28, 2013 12:23 AM (/gHaE)

27 23 Great News, jc!!!!

It's at the end of your last sentence in comment 22.

Posted by: A cynical but rarely angry Adriane at March 28, 2013 04:11 AM (TvO05)



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Posted by: jc at March 28, 2013 12:23 AM (PlzOe)

28 Take a course in advanced marxism. No need. They're all on youtube ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0Gwe5gKgjo

Posted by: A cynical but rarely angry Adriane at March 28, 2013 12:24 AM (TvO05)

29 We're gonna run out of OPM pretty soon... No problemo ... will just take some from Cyprus.

Posted by: A cynical but rarely angry Adriane at March 28, 2013 12:25 AM (TvO05)

30 26 We're gonna run out of OPM pretty soon...

Posted by: @PurpAv at March 28, 2013 04:23 AM (/gHaE)


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money is just a representation of your time.  slavers never run out of money until someone is dead -- either the slaves or the slaver.

Posted by: jc at March 28, 2013 12:26 AM (PlzOe)

31 $85 billion here, $85 billion there... pretty soon you're talking real money.

Posted by: Mephistefales at March 28, 2013 12:26 AM (WJqQG)

32 I was just trying out my new cynic outfit. Fits pretty good even with love handles. It's the monocle and spats that really sets it apart from the common, everyday, ordinary cynic outfit.

Posted by: A cynical but rarely angry Adriane at March 28, 2013 12:26 AM (TvO05)

33 32 I was just trying out my new cynic outfit. Fits pretty good even with love handles.

It's the monocle and spats that really sets it apart from the common, everyday, ordinary cynic outfit.

Posted by: A cynical but rarely angry Adriane at March 28, 2013 04:26 AM (TvO05)


===


Have you seen the new stompy boot spats?   Some of them even have rhinestones.


Posted by: jc at March 28, 2013 12:31 AM (PlzOe)

34

Posted by: A cynical but rarely angry Adriane at March 28, 2013 04:24 AM

 

Hahaha... that's a good bit.

Posted by: otho at March 28, 2013 12:32 AM (yBF/9)

35 Have you seen the new stompy boot spats? Some of them even have rhinestones. How can you be cynical about cheap and flashy rhinestones?!?

Posted by: A cynical but rarely angry Adriane at March 28, 2013 12:33 AM (TvO05)

36 Roses smell pretty, Chocolate smells yummy, With the way my mind is going, The later will be in the vase, and the former, in my tummy...

Posted by: A cynical but rarely angry Adriane at March 28, 2013 12:40 AM (TvO05)

37 Good night, Good People, Better tomorrows ...

Posted by: A cynical but rarely angry Adriane at March 28, 2013 12:42 AM (TvO05)

38 I just got done putting out the garbage and I'm heading off to WMT before all the crazies hit the road.

It is freaking COLD here in Palm Beach.  WTF?  Early spring / global warming?  Yea right.  Go with that. 

We had six months so far this fall/winter/spring where I've had to turn on a heater, if this persists another few days, FL will probably have had its first "7 month" heating season in like since...forever.

Posted by: @PurpAv at March 28, 2013 12:42 AM (/gHaE)

39 otho at March 28, 2013 04:32 AM (yBF/9) I'm glad you like it ... That and Sanity Claus are favorites of mine ...

Posted by: A cynical but rarely angry Adriane at March 28, 2013 12:43 AM (TvO05)

40 @PurpAv at March 28, 2013 04:42 AM (/gHaE) Global Warming has frozen people to death all across Northern Europe this past winter.

Posted by: A cynical but rarely angry Adriane at March 28, 2013 12:44 AM (TvO05)

41 Thank God that none of this matters. All of it being a dream, a bad dream, is the only thing that gives us any reason for hope. Hope never disappoints, they say...

Posted by: and irresolute at March 28, 2013 12:50 AM (DBH1h)

42 Gotta Go Kids.   CYA.

Posted by: jc at March 28, 2013 12:54 AM (PlzOe)

43 @purp

In developing software for government, we often run into this twin conundrum:

1. They want it as fully automated and bulletproof as possible.
2. They can't tell us exactly what it needs to do so we can validate that it is working.

Lesson: Computer software can only make a process faster if you know what that process is, pretty exactly, and it can be reduced to programmatic steps.

Otherwise, the rush for centralization is simply devastating weakness.

Posted by: RiverC at March 28, 2013 01:35 AM (KTytI)

44 So, all you frat boys who are still making loan payments really are as stupid as we've all thought.

Posted by: Jack S. Phoggbound, Esq. Attorney for the Butt Chugging White Boys at March 28, 2013 01:53 AM (p4U6S)

45 Let all those for profit "colleges" that pay off the US House reps take 1/2 of that 85 billion loss

Posted by: occam at March 28, 2013 02:06 AM (Z3/y1)

46 Government + Custom Software Development = Katrina. This like a Law Of Physics. And Xerox as the developer / system integrator? This is like asking Jiffy Lube to perform an appendectomy.

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at March 28, 2013 02:09 AM (n8LUb)

47 oh look...a box for comments. what ever should I write? Jim Carey's anti-vax position has killed more people than Ted Kennedy's driving has.

Posted by: VIA, on the tiny keyboard at March 28, 2013 02:11 AM (tOvyV)

48 It is a feature, not a bug. This is Democrats' plan all along when they seized control of the student loan market. Next step will be debt forgiveness, a taxpayer funded GOTV.

Posted by: coondawg68 at March 28, 2013 02:15 AM (VhcOZ)

49 Just, for the love of the Jedi Council, do not put Jar Jar Binks into a cloning chamber or Xerox machine.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 28, 2013 02:19 AM (QRXqb)

50 I am predicting, and have been predicting, an 'amnesty' on student loans. All is forgiven.
 
As Agent Smith said, it is inevitable.
 
Crying Boehner will weep and push for it too. John Roberts will okay it as a tax.

Posted by: GnuBreed at March 28, 2013 02:20 AM (ccXZP)

51 America, fuck yeah!

Posted by: fastfreefall at March 28, 2013 02:20 AM (dS5nN)

52 Computer glitch?  Well that will certainly beat having a cockroach fall into a teletype machine and thus issue the wrong arrest warrant.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 28, 2013 02:22 AM (QRXqb)

53 Ms Puma, ilearned to type on a teletype. Some old school shit

Posted by: fastfreefall at March 28, 2013 02:26 AM (dS5nN)

54 So can I start defaulting on my Parent Loans for my kids College Education? Can I'z get in line for Amnesty? Oh and Morning all and I the only good news of the AM is that The Heat lost last night. Goodbye Streak.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 28, 2013 02:32 AM (9Bj8R)

55 Mic Check!

Posted by: Suppressed Flasher at March 28, 2013 02:36 AM (X+nFp)

56 An interesting note about the development though...

When the customer (the agency) was partly responsible for testing (as opposed to doing all of this in-house) they were much more reasonable and concise with their requirements. The reason: If they made it vague and overreaching, they had to figure out a way to test that. Good luck.

Too many competitors for software these days are trying to be superman - we'll magically figure out what you want when you don't know, we'll come up with a lightning quick solution, and it will be tested and verified 100% by deploy date, all under schedule deadline and target budget.

To some extent Agile development helps here, but it only works if the people do know what they want, but have trouble making a clear requirements document for it (if they are not technical enough, this is pretty much a certainty.)

We've improved a lot since 1970, but I can't say the same for the customer.

Posted by: RiverC at March 28, 2013 02:38 AM (KTytI)

57 It's 1830 local and the johnny walker is free at executive club. This might not end well

Posted by: fastfreefall at March 28, 2013 02:41 AM (dS5nN)

58 where is everyone this AM?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 28, 2013 02:43 AM (9Bj8R)

59 Right here typing away and trying to scheme up a way to get a student loan I don't have to pay anything back on!

Posted by: Gmac - Waiting for the revolution at March 28, 2013 02:49 AM (IanLz)

60 Nevergiveup, reading the sidebar story about the lack of SSM range for US Navy ships.  The Ticos, the Burkes, and of course those very expensive targets called LCS.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 28, 2013 02:49 AM (QRXqb)

61 Of course I could post from yesterday a bit of blue suggestive prose in a Conan the Barbarian manner.  Wrote it in response to MWR and a random title.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 28, 2013 02:51 AM (QRXqb)

62 In a hotel bar listening to low skill bullshitters bullshitting easy marks

Posted by: fastfreefall at March 28, 2013 02:53 AM (dS5nN)

63 @Anna

We could use another Howard, just don't gun yourself down.

Posted by: RiverC at March 28, 2013 02:53 AM (KTytI)

64 Nevergiveup, reading the sidebar story about the lack of SSM range for US Navy ships. The Ticos, the Burkes, and of course those very expensive targets called LCS. Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 28, 2013 06:49 AM (QRXqb) And things ain't gonna get any better with sequestration and the previous massive budget cuts.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 28, 2013 02:53 AM (9Bj8R)

65 Well MWR and I get laughs from titles generated from this pulp fiction title generator.

One of the titles that came up was 'The Seventh Courtesan' and MWR asked if that was like 'The Seventh Seal.'  So wrote this in answer to MWR.  Enjoy?

"Sluggor cracked the Seventh Courtesan, who was named Moonlight Rain, to reach his ultimate goal. For he sought the Queen of the Courtesan Corps. If he conquered her, he would be forever famous and powerful. Thus when Moonlight Rain fell all was revealed for Sluggor. The multiple panels of fine silk in pastel shades and gold thread parted to reveal the Queen in her own boudoir. With a powerful stride and the sweat of recent sex dripping off him he went to claim his destiny. She had a body both voluptuous and sleek he could see, it was barely encased in pale pink silk and languidly laid out across silk pillows. Her face was veiled in rose colored silk so all Sluggor could see was the soft doe brown eyes pulling him forward. He reached her side and went to one knee, with a trembling hand Sluggor lifted the face veil away to kiss the Queen imagining soft lips that would welcome him.

That is when the screaming started. For the visage hidden under the rose colored veil was that of a hag with deep wrinkles and leathery skin. The soft as petal lips became those of chapped brown leather while the imagined pearl white teeth became the sharp teeth of a barracuda. Sluggor tried to break free but her arms had the strength of five men it seemed and they held him in place. As Sluggor fearfully shut his eyes at the approaching teeth all he could think of was the warning of the Wise Man of the Mountain he had consulted before embarking on this quest - 'Watch out boy she's a man-eater.' Then Sluggor knew nothing else of this world."

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 28, 2013 02:56 AM (QRXqb)

66 As I asked my moron nephew when he informed me he was majoring in Creative Writing at a well-thought of state university - "have you checked the job market for 'Creative Writers' here in South Carolina? How will you pay back loans with no job?" He then informed me he only takes student loans out to pay for living expenses since he is on full academic scholarship and he isn't worried since that doesn't count, does it? He can just default on them and not worry.

Posted by: Matthew at March 28, 2013 03:17 AM (659DL)

67 He then informed me he only takes student loans out to pay for living expenses since he is on full academic scholarship and he isn't worried since that doesn't count, does it? He can just default on them and not worry. Posted by: Matthew at March 28, 2013 07:17 AM (659DL) If they are Gov Backed Student Loans: A) they count B) If you default on them, they will hound you till the day you die. Bankruptcy does NOT relieve that debt.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at March 28, 2013 03:19 AM (9Bj8R)

68 Speaking of student loans, don't the interest rates double in April?

Posted by: Xavier at March 28, 2013 03:32 AM (FLrNi)

69 68 Xavier,

Hey it's okay when the Feds play games...

they are the GOOD guys man....that is OUR usury!

//Occutard

Posted by: sven10077-ArkLaTex travelogue and Researcher at March 28, 2013 03:36 AM (LRFds)

70 "have you checked the job market for 'Creative Writers' here in South Carolina? How will you pay back loans with no job?"

He might be able to get work as a tech writer if he can string a sentence together.  If he learned Mandarin, he could get a gig translating Chinese manuals.

Posted by: @PurpAv at March 28, 2013 03:46 AM (/gHaE)

71 #66  Told you guys they were borrowing "living expenses." 

I would be interested in finding out how he thought he wouldn't have to repay those loans.

I wouldn't be surprised if it was a faculty member at the college.

Posted by: Miss Marple at March 28, 2013 03:59 AM (GoIUi)

72 Oh shucky darn, we can't seem to be able to collect on student loan debt already in default.  I guess we'll just have to forgive it all.

Posted by: no good deed at March 28, 2013 04:10 AM (mjR67)

73 A computer glitch is the problem with collecting defaulted student loans? Is it an ID-ten-T or a BCAK problem*?

* ID-ten-T = ID10T
BCAK = Between Computer and Keyboard

Posted by: Peregrine Took, Hobbit SOB at March 28, 2013 04:37 AM (erlzv)

74 Good thing we have heavily armed tactical assault teams of collectors ready to break down the wrong doors in pursuit of delinquent student loans, huh?

Posted by: CitizenEgg at March 28, 2013 04:46 AM (RB0el)

75 The Pros from Dover? Hawkeye, is that you?

Posted by: ALH at March 28, 2013 04:50 AM (xt7IX)

76 "have you checked the job market for 'Creative Writers' here in South Carolina? How will you pay back loans with no job?"

the writers at The State newspaper don't seem particularly talented.

Posted by: aaaaaaa at March 28, 2013 04:56 AM (SRt/1)

77 Wonder how many of those collection agencies are run/owned by FOO(friendsofobumble)?

Posted by: emdfl at March 28, 2013 04:57 AM (TLEPO)

78 I can't wait for them to run healthcare.

Posted by: Schwalbe: The Me-262© at March 28, 2013 05:00 AM (UU0OF)

79 Amongst the many things Obama confiscated upon taking office was pretty much the entire student loan industry.  I never understood what the final play was going to be there.  I assumed it was universal amnesty for their debts but we haven't seen that yet.

BTW, Xerox is horrific at this stuff.  They used to have a Xerox Business Systems division that would come in and try to run your mail operations for you.  The only problem was that corporate would never cut them a postage check. 

Posted by: Voluble at March 28, 2013 05:15 AM (qYvEa)

80

Smug young white people educated beyond their intelligence are Obama's real base.

If he cracks down on student loans, he'll be the most hated man in America.

Posted by: AmishDude at March 28, 2013 03:34 AM (xSegX)

 

Yeah, that's gonna happen. Right after he cuts off EBT payments, and crushes a few public sector unions.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at March 28, 2013 07:39 AM (IDSI7)

81 "Supernova Born If they had only invested all their tuition in the market and stayed home for the last 4 years watching cartoons they'd be set for life. Prof. Bernank should have warned them about putting their money ANYWHERE but the stock market." http://tinyurl.com/brm2ger This is by far the funniest comment over at zero hedge today.

Posted by: Snarky the Bear at March 28, 2013 07:40 AM (/b8+5)

82 If your nephew goes into the Peace Corps or Americorps those "living expenses" loans can be forgiven.

Of course, he could end up like Tom Tuttle of Tacoma, and get brainwashed by Communists.  Here in America at school, not during a bridge construction project overseas.

Posted by: bonhomme at March 28, 2013 08:20 AM (mdWXf)

83 My own loans are in default and I tried last week to initiate repayment and they wouldn't let me because they're in this "limbo".  Sigh...

Posted by: David T. at March 28, 2013 09:40 AM (WXayg)

84 83 My own loans are in default and I tried last week to initiate repayment and they wouldn't let me because they're in this "limbo". Sigh...

Posted by: David T. at March 28, 2013 01:40 PM (WXayg)


Did you contact them to go into forbearance?  Cause if you did that sounds so odd.

Posted by: Caustic at March 28, 2013 10:49 AM (/b8+5)

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