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December 19, 2013

New Mexico Discovers Long-Hidden Clause in State Constitution Mandating Gay Marriage
— Ace

Of course.

It was right there. I don't know how they missed it.

Posted by: Ace at 01:51 PM | Comments (244)
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1 Really?

Posted by: Epobirs at December 19, 2013 01:52 PM (bPxS6)

Pajama Boyz will not be denied?

Jim

Sunk New Dawn

Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim at December 19, 2013 01:52 PM (vvk2F)

3 Was it written by Dick Blick of Virginia-jay-jay???

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 19, 2013 01:53 PM (olDqf)

4 I'm first into a thread and have nothing worth saying. Just like when I'm the hundredth into a thread.

Posted by: Epobirs at December 19, 2013 01:53 PM (bPxS6)

5 They're compulsory! Now bend over!

Posted by: --- at December 19, 2013 01:53 PM (MMC8r)

6 Equal protection my ass. Oh wait, that's like a quadruple-entendre right there.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 19, 2013 01:53 PM (olDqf)

7 I am gay-ed out. 'The love that must not speak it's name', now won't STFU.

Posted by: [/i][/b][/u][/s] Tami at December 19, 2013 01:54 PM (bCEmE)

Bow down wedding photographers. OBEY!!!

Your two minute hate session will be up shortly.

Posted by: prescient11 at December 19, 2013 01:55 PM (tVTLU)

9 At least that didn't happen in THIS country...

Posted by: '96 Olympics at December 19, 2013 01:55 PM (X3xYu)

10 Man dated. Heh heh.

Posted by: freaked at December 19, 2013 01:55 PM (MAdwI)

Question:

How many gay "marriage" laws were passed by a referendum of the people, as opposed to imposed by the courts or legislatures.

Thanks for any responses.

Posted by: prescient11 at December 19, 2013 01:55 PM (tVTLU)

12 Has anyone here donned their gay apparel for the holidays yet? Can we still say that?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 19, 2013 01:57 PM (lVPtV)

13 Must've been put there by the same people who clearly wrote it into the Massachusetts constitution way before that.

Posted by: Andy at December 19, 2013 01:57 PM (1YfOA)

14 Persondating is a word I can get behind.

Posted by: freaked at December 19, 2013 01:57 PM (MAdwI)

15 Honeymoons will be mandatory in Deming, NM. Complete with police supplied anal probings.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 19, 2013 01:57 PM (t+DWU)

16 So, affirmative action would fall under 'equal protection' then too, wouldn't it? How about this 'protected class' shit? Or is some protection more equal than others?

Posted by: --- at December 19, 2013 01:57 PM (MMC8r)

17 Told ya so!

Posted by: Slippery Slope at December 19, 2013 01:57 PM (LMtLQ)

18 Well, that part wasn't over a hundred years old, so we'll use that!

Posted by: t-bird at December 19, 2013 01:57 PM (FcR7P)

19 New Mexico is a pretty lib state.

Posted by: Ook? at December 19, 2013 01:58 PM (FBkKA)

20 Yes, more gay. Can't get enough gay. *fist pump*

Posted by: Beagle at December 19, 2013 01:58 PM (sOtz/)

21 Of the weddings that take place within states where homosexual ceremonies are legal, what percentage of them are same-sex? Anyone know?

Posted by: grammie winger at December 19, 2013 01:59 PM (P6QsQ)

22 How can protection be equal if five-year-olds can't vote, buy liquor, or drive cars? And, no, you can't differentiate over quibbles, like male vs. female, or age, because equal=equal. I know, I saw it on a bumper sticker.

Posted by: --- at December 19, 2013 02:00 PM (MMC8r)

23 My gaydar is worn completely out. I'm exhausted and look forward to my life as a hermit (to begin when I win the mega millions lottery).

Posted by: kathysaysso at December 19, 2013 02:00 PM (6H6o8)

24 Pojama people are boring me to pieces. Feel like I am wasting my time. They all got flannel up and down em A little trap door back around em And some cozy little footies on their mind. Rip Frank Zappa. Hard to believe its been 20 years

Posted by: freaked at December 19, 2013 02:00 PM (MAdwI)

25 Was it Santa Clause? Cause he's white, you know.

Posted by: Caliban at December 19, 2013 02:01 PM (2ArJQ)

26 21 I saw a headline on drudge a week or so back where it said that 17% of all marriages were same sex. That was for Washington state. http://www.kgw.com/news/Gay-unions-17-of-marriages-in-Wash-this-year-234635631.html

Posted by: loneduck at December 19, 2013 02:02 PM (4Fbu2)

27 I sneer at equal protection as claimed support for gay marriage. A gay man has the same right to marry a woman as I do. There, the law is satisfied.

Technically, I don't have anything against gay marriage. My problem is that I don't have anything for it either. It's just a silly gesture by people who are never going to produce children without a third party involved, either by adoption or surrogacy. With providing support for a family structure I just don't see much reason for marriage that isn't covered by modern contract law, so far and responsibilities, property, and inheritance are concerned.

It does annoy me when agitators cry that they aren't allowed to publicly declare their love. Want to declare your love? Put up a Facebook page. It's free. Buy a TV commercial if you want spend some money. But marriage? Who the hell gave this generation the delusion that love and marriage is a 1:1 overlap in the Venn diagram. Until fairly recently in human history this was a rare thing at best.

I guess this is another bit of silliness we can thank Hollywood and other media for making appear as reality.

Posted by: Epobirs at December 19, 2013 02:02 PM (bPxS6)

28 >>I am gay-ed out. 'The love that must not speak it's name', now won't STFU.

Ditto.
Enough, already.

Posted by: Lizzy at December 19, 2013 02:02 PM (ruxvM)

The 2010 Census found that 500,000 couples stated they were in a same-sex "relationship".

So all this kerfuffle for 1,000,000 people TOTAL in this country.

That's 0.3% of the population.

Three times that many people have Celiac Disease.

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX (@Teresa_Koch) at December 19, 2013 02:03 PM (PZ6/M)

30 Well I wonder if the people of New Mexico will decide to make a constitutional amendment saying "no it doesn't" and have it pass. Then we can watch as a gay judge declares an amendment to the constitution unconstitutional, the state refuse to appeal a law that the people of the state want. And the Supreme Court declare that the people of the state have no standing to try to uphold the law they want.

Posted by: Buzzion at December 19, 2013 02:03 PM (jqWie)

31 24 Pojama people are boring me to pieces. Posted by: freaked at December 19, 2013 06:00 PM (MAdwI)
PajamaBoy is definitely not too swift to behold.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at December 19, 2013 02:04 PM (VpMO0)

32 Thanks loneduck.

Posted by: grammie winger at December 19, 2013 02:04 PM (P6QsQ)

33 I saw a headline on drudge a week or so back where it said that 17% of all marriages were same sex. That was for Washington state.
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Thus the media redefine 'marriage'...., without any counter opinion from other media.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at December 19, 2013 02:04 PM (aDwsi)

34 When will it be made legal for a guy to marry his hand?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 19, 2013 02:04 PM (lVPtV)

35 Drawing on information from four recent national and two state-level population-based surveys, the analyses suggest that there are more than 8 million adults in the US who are lesbian, gay, or bisexual, comprising 3.5% of the adult population. 3.5 fuckin %, please, can we talk about something important?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 19, 2013 02:04 PM (t3UFN)

36 The 2010 Census found that 500,000 couples stated they were in a same-sex "relationship". So all this kerfuffle for 1,000,000 people TOTAL in this country. Guaranteed, not near all of them are looking for marriage.

Posted by: --- at December 19, 2013 02:05 PM (MMC8r)

37 Three times that many people have Celiac Disease.

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX (@Teresa_Koch) at December 19, 2013 06:03 PM (PZ6/M)

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Probably 50 times that many people watch Duck Dynasty.

Posted by: grammie winger at December 19, 2013 02:05 PM (P6QsQ)

38 Gheys still won't come to New Mexico. Try again.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 19, 2013 02:05 PM (8ZskC)

39 I am gay-ed out.
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That is because you are a unChristian h8ter.

Posted by: GLAAD at December 19, 2013 02:05 PM (aDwsi)

40 I still go with the comparison to how, as a native Chicagoan, I feel about ketchup on hot dogs; do anything you want to a consenting wiener. Just don't make me watch.

These people are insisting that I watch. Damn them and all that sail in them.

Posted by: Sort-of-Mad Max at December 19, 2013 02:05 PM (DLu2s)

41 >>I am gay-ed out.
'The love that must not speak it's name', now won't STFU.

Ditto.
Enough, already.

Posted by: Lizzy at December 19, 2013 06:02 PM (ruxvM)

More than enough, imo. Why would the first thing I want to know about someone is whom they want to sleep with?

Posted by: Retread at December 19, 2013 02:05 PM (cHwk5)

42 It's all about money.

Pension benefits. Health Insurance.

Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at December 19, 2013 02:05 PM (V70Uh)

43 Welcome grammie winger

Posted by: loneduck at December 19, 2013 02:06 PM (4Fbu2)

44 that's what the whole Alamo thing was about. Santa Ana was having a latino machismo fit over it. Bowie was found dead in a wedding dress.

Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sandwich at December 19, 2013 02:06 PM (RLTt1)

45 11 How many gay "marriage" laws were passed by a referendum of the people, as opposed to imposed by the courts or legislatures. I know Maryland was the first, having voted on it in 2012 and enacted it 1/1/2013. I had to look that up for some other eligibility-related purpose earlier today...lol

Posted by: akula51[/b][/i][/s] at December 19, 2013 02:06 PM (sKsAS)

46 Hey send your gays to us. I mean we might need some extra rope, but what the hey. Allah Akbar!

Posted by: Iran at December 19, 2013 02:06 PM (t3UFN)

47 Mother Mary and Joseph I wish they'd all go away. Hoy hoy hoy

Posted by: freaked at December 19, 2013 02:07 PM (MAdwI)

48 Jane - Santa Claus sent a modest something to the boy this week. Just a heads-up for when he wonders 'Who the hell is M. Hammer'?

Posted by: Mike Hammer at December 19, 2013 02:07 PM (aDwsi)

49 New Mexico is a pretty lib state. Posted by: Ook? at December 19, 2013 05:58 PM

The Santa Fe-Albuquerque corridor is very liberal. The northwest and southeast corners are very conservative, but not nearly so populous. New Mexico aspires to become a third world shithole.

Posted by: huerfano at December 19, 2013 02:07 PM (bAGA/)

50 Atom bombs, alien corpses and ghey marriage. Yeah, I think we can come up with a campaign.

Posted by: The New Mexico Board of Tourism at December 19, 2013 02:07 PM (8ZskC)

51 If gays are so influential, how come we have not won the Gold Medal in Olympic Figure Skating in a while?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 19, 2013 02:07 PM (t3UFN)

52 Man dating?

Posted by: The Mega Independent at December 19, 2013 02:07 PM (4/o9U)

53 Remember, this is the same State Supreme Court that found an obligation to sell a wedding cake.

Posted by: Kevin in ABQ at December 19, 2013 02:07 PM (XrGnJ)

54 Who hasn't heard of the famous Gay Caballero?

Posted by: Caliban at December 19, 2013 02:08 PM (2ArJQ)

55 When will it be made legal for a guy to marry his hand? If he does, would switching hands while fapping be considered cheating?

Posted by: rickb223 at December 19, 2013 02:08 PM (t+DWU)

56 If gays are so influential, how come we have not won the Gold Medal in Olympic Figure Skating in a while? Sk8r h8r.

Posted by: --- at December 19, 2013 02:08 PM (MMC8r)

57 It's all about money.

Pension benefits. Health Insurance.
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'Spousal' benefits

Posted by: Mike Hammer at December 19, 2013 02:08 PM (aDwsi)

58 You will all bake our wedding cakes!

Posted by: LGBTGLAADTMFBBQQNAMBLA at December 19, 2013 02:09 PM (5ikDv)

59 48 Jane - Santa Claus sent a modest something to the boy this week. Just a heads-up for when he wonders 'Who the hell is M. Hammer'?

Posted by: Mike Hammer at December 19, 2013 06:07 PM (aDwsi)

I swear to gawd, he just two seconds ago opened it! He's just amazed and grateful. Does BCochran have your e-mail, or can you give it to me here? He wants to thank you.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 19, 2013 02:09 PM (lVPtV)

60 Now bring us your figgy pudding.

Posted by: New Mexico at December 19, 2013 02:09 PM (2ArJQ)

61 Jane D'Oh, You can pry that right from my cold, dead hand!

Posted by: Nom de Blog at December 19, 2013 02:09 PM (JSmUP)

62 More than enough, imo. Why would the first thing I want to know about someone is whom they want to sleep with?>>

Depends on if Kate Upton is at my door. Cause then I want no time wasted in finding out what she's there for.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at December 19, 2013 02:09 PM (tf9Ne)

63 Yeah, running with the 'Iran' comment above; imagine the howls if a Republican administration cosied up to a regime that: hangs homosexuals in public (Iran) or tosses them in concentration camps (Cuba). Yet the 'first gay president' gets away with it, to big swoons and air-smoochies from his tame press, with nary a mention of those nasty little details. Genius!

Posted by: Sort-of-Mad Max at December 19, 2013 02:09 PM (DLu2s)

64 We demand driver's licenses, because equal.

Posted by: New Mexico Federation of the Blind at December 19, 2013 02:09 PM (MMC8r)

65 Land of Homoerotic Enchantment? Does that work?

Posted by: The New Mexico Board of Tourism at December 19, 2013 02:10 PM (8ZskC)

I saw a headline on drudge a week or so back where it said that 17% of all marriages were same sex. That was for Washington state.

And gay marriage was legalized how many months ago?

Hate to burst the Gay Lobby's bubble, but that number is an outlier - kind of like saying that 3 million of the newest iPods were sold on the first day it came out.

The real number to watch for is what percentage of marriages are same-sex five years from now.

I guarantee it's going to be so small that NO media outlet will be reporting it.....

Kinda like the Obamacare numbers.

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX (@Teresa_Koch) at December 19, 2013 02:10 PM (PZ6/M)

67 58 You will all bake our wedding cakes! You can't stop me from dropping it on the way into the reception hall, though, can you?

Posted by: --- at December 19, 2013 02:10 PM (MMC8r)

68 Jane - Hey..., I'm the one that owes him, that is the direction in which the thanks flow.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at December 19, 2013 02:10 PM (aDwsi)

69 It's not a mandate so much as a tax.

Posted by: King Roberts at December 19, 2013 02:11 PM (4/o9U)

70 I saw a headline on drudge a week or so back where it said that 17% of all marriages were same sex. That was for Washington state. Well us heterosexuals, have learned that marriage is for the birds and all FUBAR. Hell the gays can have it.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 19, 2013 02:11 PM (t3UFN)

71 42 It's all about money. Pension benefits. Health Insurance. Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at December 19, 2013 06:05 PM (V70Uh) No it isn't. Because if that were the case then they would have been just fine with civil unions in states which do grant pension and health benefits.

Posted by: Buzzion at December 19, 2013 02:11 PM (jqWie)

72 Yes! Common-sense, universal, mandatory sodomy for teh childrens!

Posted by: claire cloggenstein, of the california cggensteins at December 19, 2013 02:11 PM (RPDkq)

73 The real number to watch for is what percentage of marriages are same-sex five years from now. Precisely. And what the divorce rate is when it's not a big fun fad anymore.

Posted by: --- at December 19, 2013 02:11 PM (MMC8r)

74 The ducking hunting in NM sucks. Fuck them

Posted by: Phil at December 19, 2013 02:11 PM (0FSuD)

75 What is not forbidden is mandatory.

Posted by: votermom at December 19, 2013 02:11 PM (GSIDW)

76 Well us heterosexuals, have learned that marriage is for the birds and all FUBAR. Hell the gays can have it. Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 19, 2013 06:11 PM (t3UFN) Ah,if my wife is here, honey...only kidding

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 19, 2013 02:12 PM (t3UFN)

77 It's about Social Security retirement and survivor benefits.

Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at December 19, 2013 02:12 PM (V70Uh)

78 More than enough, imo. Why would the first thing I want to know about someone is whom they want to sleep with?>>

Depends on if Kate Upton is at my door. Cause then I want no time wasted in finding out what she's there for.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at December 19, 2013 06:09 PM (tf9Ne)

Heh. It is Christmas time, and everyone should have a dream.

Posted by: Retread at December 19, 2013 02:12 PM (cHwk5)

79 That's some mandate you got there, sir.

Posted by: Pat Garrett at December 19, 2013 02:13 PM (2ArJQ)

80 68 Jane - Hey..., I'm the one that owes him, that is the direction in which the thanks flow.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at December 19, 2013 06:10 PM (aDwsi)

He just said he thanks you for your service. I guess I'll get your e-mail from Cochran.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 19, 2013 02:13 PM (lVPtV)

81 Yeah, the maricon clause. You just missed it.

Posted by: Evi. L. Bloggerlady at December 19, 2013 02:13 PM (4kTo2)

82 Private wealth can easily be transferred using Wills and Trusts. Public entitlements, however,....

Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at December 19, 2013 02:13 PM (V70Uh)

83 Whatever, it really doesn't matter anymore. Remember, the supreme court ruled that the people of california did not have standing to force their own legiature to enforce a constitutional amendment to their own state constituiton. Once amnesty passes the GOP won't be sniffing the presidency and the gop's share of governorships, senators and congressmen will dwindle. And I haven't even gotten to math yet.

Posted by: Kreplach at December 19, 2013 02:15 PM (49lPc)

84 I sneer at equal protection as claimed support for gay marriage. A gay man has the same right to marry a woman as I do. There, the law is satisfied. I love the comeback to that one. Heteros can marry "anyone they want". Uh, no they can't. Can I marry a married woman? Nope. Can I marry an underaged woman? Nope. Can I marry a first cousin woman? Nope. Huh. So there are OTHER limitations too.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b] at December 19, 2013 02:15 PM (J79eW)

85 Who pays alimony in case of a divorce? Who gets the kids? Who takes out the garbage and who does the dishes? Who has rough man hands and who has delicate fingers with polished nails? Who is on top and who cries at movies? I'll bet none of that is in the constitution.

Posted by: Sphynx at December 19, 2013 02:15 PM (OZmbA)

86 Government Jobs!

Posted by: New Mexico Department of the Posterior at December 19, 2013 02:15 PM (5ikDv)

87 71 42 It's all about money. Pension benefits. Health Insurance. Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at December 19, 2013 06:05 PM (V70Uh) No it isn't. Because if that were the case then they would have been just fine with civil unions in states which do grant pension and health benefits. Posted by: Buzzion at December 19, 2013 06:11 PM (jqWie) You're right Buzzion. It's all about the church....Catholic to be specific. Just watch.

Posted by: [/i][/b][/u][/s] Tami at December 19, 2013 02:15 PM (bCEmE)

88 You ever why this homo shit is so goshdang important? Well, you got your answer yesterday when Phil Robertson was shunned and nationally out-casted by Our Rulers. It's about Total Control. Why? Because that's what Totalitarians do.

Posted by: soothsayer at December 19, 2013 02:16 PM (yzlKi)

89 What about other "equal protection" violations. Like if I apply to a state University, I'm held to different entrance standards than other people because of my race. Weird how that "equal protection" violation isn't as important.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b] at December 19, 2013 02:16 PM (J79eW)

90 So NOW I know why I have this big box of returned 'genuine Hopi Kachina dolls' that all smell funny.

That's the last straw. Cousin Len's idea of a casino doesn't sound so nuts after all!

Posted by: Crazy Cochise's Cut-Price Souvenir Stand and Last-Chance Gas Station at December 19, 2013 02:17 PM (DLu2s)

91 Can I marry a first cousin woman? Nope. Huh. So there are OTHER limitations too. Posted by: bonhomme at December 19, 2013 06:15 PM (J79eW) You wanna marry your first cousin? I never wanted to marry my first cousins much. I mean fool around maybe, but marry no. I mean my Uncle is a G-D damn liberal

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 19, 2013 02:17 PM (t3UFN)

92 In the future, can your state-mandated homosexual husband commit spousal rape against you?

Posted by: RoyalOil at December 19, 2013 02:17 PM (VjL9S)

93 You're right Buzzion. It's all about the church....Catholic to be specific. Just watch. LDS too. Just see how the Prop 8 protests went. It won't be long until Temple Marriages are under fire.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b] at December 19, 2013 02:17 PM (J79eW)

94 What do you expect from a state whose capital is Santa Fey? And what's up with Albuquerque? Amirite?

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at December 19, 2013 02:18 PM (N/Sup)

95 Then there is no longer any reason to forbid polygamy.

Posted by: Joseph.Smith at December 19, 2013 02:18 PM (vgIRn)

96 You wanna marry your first cousin? I never wanted to marry my first cousins much. I mean fool around maybe, but marry no. I mean my Uncle is a G-D damn liberal. I actually don't have any first cousins.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b] at December 19, 2013 02:18 PM (J79eW)

97 The Left cares less about homos than I do. Difference is, I don't *use* the poor queers for my benefit.

Posted by: soothsayer at December 19, 2013 02:18 PM (yzlKi)

98 Who has rough man hands
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The one with the crew cut.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at December 19, 2013 02:18 PM (aDwsi)

99 Then there is no longer any reason to forbid polygamy. Posted by: Joseph.Smith at December 19, 2013 06:18 PM (vgIRn) Well no, not that we now have Viagra

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 19, 2013 02:18 PM (t3UFN)

100 I actually don't have any first cousins. Posted by: bonhomme at December 19, 2013 06:18 PM (J79eW) Wanna buy one?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 19, 2013 02:19 PM (t3UFN)

101 Then there is no longer any reason to forbid polygamy. Slippery slope! That'll never happen. How dare you. -G.Malor

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b] at December 19, 2013 02:19 PM (J79eW)

102 After this comment, I won't say one more word about anything even remotely connected to "gay". Had it with this bullshit. Come to think of it, ditto for "racial discussions". It's way past tiresome.

Posted by: tubal at December 19, 2013 02:19 PM (YEQ2h)

103 It's about Total Control. Why? Because that's what Totalitarians do. **** Hence the name. (couldn't very well call them Partial-tarians eh?)

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at December 19, 2013 02:19 PM (N/Sup)

104 85 Who pays alimony in case of a divorce? Who gets the kids? Who takes out the garbage and who does the dishes? Who has rough man hands and who has delicate fingers with polished nails? Who is on top and who cries at movies? I'll bet none of that is in the constitution.

Posted by: Sphynx at December 19, 2013 06:15 PM (OZmbA)

Why, I believe I've written the perfect country and western song.

No, I haven't, because I didn't mention anything about Walmart, or sippy cups, or anal bleaching, or milky loads.

"I was drunk . .. the day Bruce. . . got his butt waxed . . . "

Posted by: Sphynx at December 19, 2013 02:20 PM (OZmbA)

105 Next up: AZ Supreme Court rules that Night Court's Markie Post is immune from conviction for murder. Her license to kill is Constitutionally enshrined as a "Letter of Marque and Reprisal."

Posted by: wooga at December 19, 2013 02:20 PM (ukrOI)

106 Sitting here listening to FBC Radio Christmas music ( http://fbcradio.org/listen/ ) in the background, it is very difficult for me to keep my rage level up...

Posted by: Mike Hammer at December 19, 2013 02:20 PM (aDwsi)

107 Wanna buy one? Where can I arrange a test reunion?

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b] at December 19, 2013 02:20 PM (J79eW)

108 You guys are doin great!

Posted by: Caligula at December 19, 2013 02:20 PM (5ikDv)

109 wow Seamus you're right! Never noticed that before.

Posted by: soothsayer at December 19, 2013 02:21 PM (yzlKi)

110 >>>LDS too. Just see how the Prop 8 protests went. It won't be long until Temple Marriages are under fire. Well the bakeries *must* make the ghey wedding cakes. Churches will probably have marry them too, because TAX FREE STATUS! or something

Posted by: loneduck at December 19, 2013 02:21 PM (4Fbu2)

111

It is going to be fun to watch all of these folks who purport to want to marry the same-sex love of their life when they do get married, then decide that it isn't "all that" after all.

But now that their union has the power of the state and civil contracts behind it, leaving isn't as easy as just packing up your shit and finding a new place to live.

You just broke a contract, buddy - and there are LEGAL ramifications to doing that.

So, yeah - have fun, kids. You just stepped into a whole new funhouse....

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX (@Teresa_Koch) at December 19, 2013 02:22 PM (PZ6/M)

112 You guys are doing great!
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Easy for you to say...

Posted by: Caligula's Horse at December 19, 2013 02:23 PM (aDwsi)

113 I mean, the Duke of Albuquerque! A frigging real life duke! Rights of kings and all that stuff. I'll bet hot chocolate PJ boy is some type of Duke or Viscount or sumpin'.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at December 19, 2013 02:23 PM (N/Sup)

114 Hmmm.... and under this legal thinking... As with being a small minority, they have limited Political Power... Then I want to be King.. yes... I am a Monarchist... I know its unpopular, but you have a Democrat as President, so even though I am in a decided minority, I should have EQUAL power and authority! Because.... EQUAL! Oh.... and I want Peyton Mannings Salary too.... even though I'm old and can't throw a football worth a crap with my screwed up shoulder...

Posted by: Romeo13 at December 19, 2013 02:23 PM (lZBBB)

115 "LDS too. Just see how the Prop 8 protests went."

As a resident of Commiefornia, who incidentally voted against Prop 8, I observed the state's liberals go absolutely apeshit about Mormon involvement in passing it. There were hysterical screams about boycotting LDS-owned businesses, using "hate speech" laws against the church, you name it.

The fact that the black churches also were instrumental in passing Prop 8? The black churches which salt their homophobia on top of their absolutely rock solid support for the Democratic Party? Commiefornia's liberals had this to say about that: *crickets*

Fen's Law, as always, comprehensively explains all.

Posted by: torquewrench at December 19, 2013 02:23 PM (gqT4g)

116 wow Seamus you're right! Never noticed that before. Posted by: soothsayer at December 19, 2013 06:21 PM (yzlKi) *** Heh.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at December 19, 2013 02:24 PM (N/Sup)

117 Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX (@Teresa_Koch) at December 19, 2013 06:22 PM (PZ6/M) I believe the very first gay marriage ever, has ended in divorce... nuff.... said...

Posted by: Romeo13 at December 19, 2013 02:24 PM (lZBBB)

118 Our church is so poor, a good accountant could easily make sure that there are no profits to tax.

Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at December 19, 2013 02:25 PM (V70Uh)

119 There's a LOT of invisible ink on those documents Ace....

here's hoping the GOP finds invisible ink requiring federal dissolution.

Posted by: sven10077 at December 19, 2013 02:26 PM (9jfyN)

120 Marriage isn't all it's cracked up to be.

Posted by: Mickey Rooney at December 19, 2013 02:26 PM (2ArJQ)

121 Since gays couldn't marry within their sex until recently, and until the '80s (or so) had to stay in the closet, many got married to members of the opposite sex and had kids.

If there is such a thing as a "gay gene", then their kids might be carriers.

But what happens if gays everywhere are allowed to marry within their sex? How will the gay gene be passed along (at least in the same numbers as gays married to "beards")?

Will there be less and less homosexuals over time, or will random genetics in the heterosexual population cause the percentage of gays and lesbians to remain about the same?

Posted by: Reno_Dave at December 19, 2013 02:27 PM (bsDPd)

122 Fabulous. Almost 70 years ago Fat Man and Little Boy came out of New Mexico and ended our war with Japan. Now, they'd stay put and post a wedding gift want-list at
Crate and Barrel.

That's not progress.

Posted by: Sort-of-Mad Max at December 19, 2013 02:27 PM (DLu2s)

123 The blind man whose heroic dog leaped onto subway tracks to save him, is caught up in a wacky love triangle Â— in which two women are battling for his affection while he lies cooped up in a hospital bed. Cecil WilliamsÂ’ former live-in girlfriend, Rosita Cotto, claims new girlfriend Cynthia is plotting to keep her away from her soul mate. She burst into tears at St. LukeÂ’s Hospital after officials turned her away from visiting him on Thursday. Â“She isnÂ’t good for him. She is just a booty call!Â” Cotta yelled. Boy that seeing eye dog must have some stories to tell!

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 19, 2013 02:27 PM (t3UFN)

124 I'm telling you, the next battle won't be polygamy. It'll be against the age of consent. It's already different in different parts of the world and during history. An eight year old knows the difference between right and wrong, and that's scientifically studied. People like to bring up consent as a bright line difference between what's OK now and what's beyond the pale. For eg with an older woman and a teenaged boy. It's not a bright line and will be even more easily changed than marriage. This will be the next battle.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b] at December 19, 2013 02:27 PM (J79eW)

125 did the R in VA lose the recount yet?

Posted by: soothsayer at December 19, 2013 02:28 PM (yzlKi)

126 Reno_Dave,

My niece had in-vitro with the sperm of a gay guy.

Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at December 19, 2013 02:28 PM (V70Uh)

127 Posted by: Reno_Dave at December 19, 2013 06:27 PM (bsDPd) the whole Gay Gene theory has been disproven by studies on Identical Twins... As there are many cases where one if gay, the other not...

Posted by: Romeo13 at December 19, 2013 02:29 PM (lZBBB)

128 Marriage isn't all it's cracked up to be. Posted by: Mickey Rooney
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Yeah..., tell me about it.

Posted by: John Bobbit at December 19, 2013 02:29 PM (aDwsi)

129 How gay.

Posted by: Dang at December 19, 2013 02:29 PM (MNq6o)

130 Those are saddle sores, you idiot!

Posted by: Brokeback Cowboy at December 19, 2013 02:29 PM (2ArJQ)

131 72 Yes! Common-sense, universal, mandatory sodomy for teh childrens!
You left out the lesbians... racsist....

Posted by: Havildar-Major at December 19, 2013 02:29 PM (kduZC)

132 It's hip to be gay.

Posted by: Luey Hewis and the News at December 19, 2013 02:30 PM (Dwehj)

133

I saw maricon clause open for ZZ Top in '81.

Needless to say it was FABULOUS!!!

Posted by: Havildar-Major at December 19, 2013 02:31 PM (kduZC)

134 I seriously have a hard time giving two shits about who licks whom.

On my list of priorities, Condemning Gay Marriage is somewhere between #8930 and #8975.

Meaning: Don't give a shit.

I'm a christian, bible and all goodness, but work it out with God. I've got a plate full of my own life to deal with without worrying about who's sucking what.

Posted by: tangonine at December 19, 2013 02:32 PM (x3YFz)

135 If two dudes get divorced, who gets the kids? Answer: we will have a hearing to figure it out. If a dude and a gal get divorced, no hearing.

Posted by: eman at December 19, 2013 02:32 PM (EWsrI)

136 Frankie and Johnny were lovers, Lordy oh how they did love

Posted by: The Prophecy at December 19, 2013 02:32 PM (2ArJQ)

137 55 When will it be made legal for a guy to marry his hand?
If he does, would switching hands while fapping be considered cheating?Posted by: rickb223 at December 19, 2013 06:08 PM (t+DWU)
Marry both. Polygamy is legal now, I think.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at December 19, 2013 02:32 PM (VpMO0)

138 As there are many cases where one if gay, the other not... Posted by: Romeo13
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I personally know of such a case. Any argument that homosexuality is genetic is BS. It is a lifestyle choice. Absolutely, unequivocally. Condemn it, embrace, whatever..., it is a choice.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at December 19, 2013 02:33 PM (aDwsi)

139 120 Marriage isn't all it's cracked up to be.

Posted by: Mickey Rooney at December 19, 2013 06:26 PM (2ArJQ)

Yeah but you got to doink Ava Gardner, right?

Posted by: Havildar-Major at December 19, 2013 02:33 PM (kduZC)

140 speaking of New Mexico.. What's this? A prequel to Breaking Bad is in the works?

Posted by: soothsayer at December 19, 2013 02:33 PM (yzlKi)

141 Posted by: bonhomme at December 19, 2013 06:27 PM (J79eW) Its actually only in very recent western history, that the age of consent was even thought of. And in most of the US today, they only prosecute if there is an age Difference, with one partner being under a specific age... Hell.... last time I checked Federal Law, it was 16 (Guy got a 17 year old Capts. daughter pregnant... he wanted to prosecute even though it was totally consensual... they got off as they said they ONLY did it on Federal property... but that was a lot of years ago...).

Posted by: Romeo13 at December 19, 2013 02:33 PM (lZBBB)

142 Wait till you get a load of us.

Posted by: NAMBLA at December 19, 2013 02:33 PM (lVPtV)

143 "As there are many cases where one if gay, the other not...

Posted by: Romeo13 at December 19, 2013 06:29 PM (lZBBB"

Interesting, but as we all know from the world of soap operas, whenever there are identical twins, one is good, while the other is evil.

Posted by: Reno_Dave at December 19, 2013 02:33 PM (bsDPd)

144 I've got a plate full of my own life to deal with without worrying about who's sucking what.

Hey, Dad! Look at this nifty ball gag and butt plug my significant other gave me!

Posted by: Your Kid at December 19, 2013 02:34 PM (Dwehj)

145

@48 Just a heads-up for when he wonders 'Who the hell is M. Hammer'?
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He's a former musical artist, isn't he?

"Can't touch this!"

/duck

Posted by: junior at December 19, 2013 02:35 PM (UWFpX)

146
Marry both. Polygamy is legal now, I think.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at December 19, 2013 06:32 PM (VpMO0)

!!! I'm on this! Course my wife will kill the others but...

I need white boards and markers! Stat!

Posted by: tangonine at December 19, 2013 02:35 PM (x3YFz)

147 junior - Stocking. Coal.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at December 19, 2013 02:36 PM (aDwsi)

148 14 Persondating is a word I can get behind.

Perchilddating. Can't let sons off the hook just because they're minors.

Posted by: Anachronda at December 19, 2013 02:36 PM (U82Km)

149 but as we all know from the world of soap operas, whenever there are identical twins, one is good, while the other is evil. Posted by: Reno_Dave at December 19, 2013 06:33 PM (bsDPd) Thus leading to the assertion that good and evil, is a CHOICE.... therefore...

Posted by: Romeo13 at December 19, 2013 02:37 PM (lZBBB)

150 Hey, Dad! Look at this nifty ball gag and butt plug my significant other gave me!

Posted by: Your Kid at December 19, 2013 06:34 PM (Dwehj)

My kid's an idiot. But not that much of an idiot. Nice try. You get a "D"

Posted by: tangonine at December 19, 2013 02:37 PM (x3YFz)

151 brb, stealin your $$

Posted by: Target at December 19, 2013 02:37 PM (yzlKi)

152 138 As there are many cases where one if gay, the other not... Posted by: Romeo13 -------------- I personally know of such a case. Any argument that homosexuality is genetic is BS. It is a lifestyle choice. Absolutely, unequivocally. Condemn it, embrace, whatever..., it is a choice. Posted by: Mike Hammer at December 19, 2013 06:33 PM (aDwsi) I am hetero and had no choice in the matter. There is nothing far-fetched about homosexuality being controlled or influenced by genes.

Posted by: eman at December 19, 2013 02:37 PM (EWsrI)

153 146 tangonine at December 19, 2013 06:35 PM (x3YFz)

I see a budding future for our Federal Civil Service overlords in marketing their benefits to Hooters' Girls....

it works like a pyramid scheme you have one spouse of the East India Style Marital Trading Company as the "benefits" spouse....

another is the money spouse

one for cleaning

one for cooking

the house artist....

we'll use spousal rape laws to keep the domestic bliss going

Posted by: sven10077 at December 19, 2013 02:38 PM (9jfyN)

154 "I seriously have a hard time giving two shits about who licks whom."

That's pretty much my position on the matter, with the obvious caveat that the who and the whom must be consenting adults.

And, well, if adulthood is going to be postponed now until age 26 as a matter of federal law, _pace_ Obamacare, let's go right on ahead and harmonize the age-of-consent laws to that.

Raising the the legal drinking age, the legal pot smoking age (where applicable) and the legal voting age to 26 would also eliminate a whole lot of nonsense. Perhaps the liberals really are on to something here.

Posted by: torquewrench at December 19, 2013 02:38 PM (gqT4g)

155 Thus leading to the assertion that good and evil, is a CHOICE....

therefore... Posted by: Romeo13
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See? We *can* have a reasoned discussion about this issue.
And..., it's been settled.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at December 19, 2013 02:38 PM (aDwsi)

156 Refist we much!

Posted by: teh Wind at December 19, 2013 02:39 PM (b+5vQ)

157 Really? So do genes account the gay male demeanor, too, ie, the lisp and the walk? Child, please.

Posted by: Target at December 19, 2013 02:39 PM (yzlKi)

158 There is nothing far-fetched about homosexuality being controlled or influenced by genes. Posted by: eman at December 19, 2013 06:37 PM (EWsrI) No one knows what controls it... but if it WAS genes, then if one Identical twin was Gay, the chances of the other being gay would be WAY higher than normal... But the studies I've seen, do not show that...

Posted by: Romeo13 at December 19, 2013 02:39 PM (lZBBB)

159 Wait till NV legalizes marriage between a young boy and an older man.

At least the stranglings will cease for a while in Searchlight. However, Mrs. Reid may not approve.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 19, 2013 02:40 PM (lVPtV)

160

@87 You're right Buzzion. It's all about the church....Catholic to be specific. Just watch.

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Not just the Catholics. The anti-Mormon ads were aired when Prop 8 was up for a vote. But the Catholics are easily the most visible and publicly influential. Get them to fold and it'll have international repercussions stronger than would be the case with any other church.

Posted by: junior at December 19, 2013 02:40 PM (UWFpX)

161 Posted by: sven10077 at December 19, 2013 06:38 PM (9jfyN)

Brother, I have 1 wife. And holy crap on a cracker. x2? No freaking way. x3? Kill me now.

1 is almost too many.

Posted by: tangonine at December 19, 2013 02:40 PM (x3YFz)

162 I am hetero and had no choice in the matter.

There is nothing far-fetched about homosexuality being controlled or influenced by genes.

Posted by: eman
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There is when the case is that one person which is genetically identical with another, and one is a homosexual, and the other is not.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at December 19, 2013 02:41 PM (aDwsi)

163
If there is such a thing as a "gay gene"

Sexual Preference. Preferred choice implied.

Genetics dictates eye color, skin color. Unchangeable.

Eating too many calories makes one fat. Changeable.
Genetics dictates height, facial bone structure. Unchangeable.

The partner orifice you ejaculate into is a matter of choice. Completely Changeable.

The New Mexico law just opened Pandora's Box. Slippery slope doesn't even begin to describe it.

Prefer one choice over another choice.

Posted by: noone, really [/i] [/b] at December 19, 2013 02:41 PM (5ikDv)

164 160 junior at December 19, 2013 06:40 PM (UWFpX)

The Glee Mafia is basically in open jihad after prop 8 against the Mormons...

they will use their attacks on the LDS as the testbed for their techniques against the Roman Catholics...

think of it as a Spanish Civil War to the Battle of Fwance

Posted by: sven10077 at December 19, 2013 02:41 PM (9jfyN)

165 What's the gay equivalent of a honeymoon? Serious, you guys, you can't really call it a honeymoon, can you?

Posted by: Fritz at December 19, 2013 02:41 PM (UzPAd)

166 Brother, I have 1 wife. And holy crap on a cracker. x2? No freaking way. x3? Kill me now. 1 is almost too many. Posted by: tangonine at December 19, 2013 06:40 PM (x3YFz) Carp.... I'm 54, and was only married for 3 years... then raised my twins by meself... When asked why I've never remarried.... I trot out the ole "fool me once, shame on you... fool me twice, shame on me.... "

Posted by: Romeo13 at December 19, 2013 02:42 PM (lZBBB)

167 Brother, I have 1 wife. And holy crap on a cracker. x2? No freaking way. x3? Kill me now. 1 is almost too many. Posted by: tangonine Amen.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 19, 2013 02:42 PM (t+DWU)

168 "I seriously have a hard time giving two shits about who licks whom."

Yes. But, the the who's licking who's gives a shit about you hetero normative's who won't bend over backwards to accomodate their psychotice desire to get your and your hertero normative approval. They've already GOT your acceptance evidently.

Posted by: Havildar-Major at December 19, 2013 02:42 PM (kduZC)

169 161 tangonine at December 19, 2013 06:40 PM (x3YFz)

I once heard a wise man in a bar intone, "thank God I was born with a small dick God knows what more trouble I'd have found with a big one...."

I think the key is to declare yourself legally bisexual and have sub marriages....

this Brave New World is either an insane asylum or a really really bad video game.

Posted by: sven10077 at December 19, 2013 02:43 PM (9jfyN)

170 Posted by: noone, really at December 19, 2013 06:41 PM (5ikDv) Personally I don't care what anyone does in the privacy of their bedrooms,kitchens, or barns but I gotta go along with that Duck guy: I'll take a vagina over an asshole any day and twice on Sunday

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 19, 2013 02:45 PM (t3UFN)

171 The likelihood is far greater that it were developmental (ie, in utero) over genetic. But my own view is far more that it is a psychological condition rather than anything with a biological imperative. And I say that understanding my own psychology on issues related to interpersonal relationships (though not gay ones). I'm much more a 'nuture' over 'nature' type. A big part of the gay push has been to conventionalize thinking firmly on the 'born this way' position.

Posted by: --- at December 19, 2013 02:46 PM (MMC8r)

172 Serious, you guys, you can't really call it a honeymoon, can you? Posted by: Fritz at December 19, 2013 06:41 PM (UzPAd) ***** Hmmm... Perhaps a "homey"-moon

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at December 19, 2013 02:46 PM (N/Sup)

173 It cracks me up how they don't just find that it could be possible to allow something the left demands but that it MUST be imposed upon people.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 19, 2013 02:46 PM (zfY+H)

174 We're in a post-constitutional age. The high priests of Caesar's judiciary declare what shall be righteous and what shall be wicked --- after reading the entrails of a chicken. I don't think these rulings are a simple matter of impatience to enshrine the new values. I think the totalitarian impulse is especially well-served by announcing these things by fiat. It actually wouldn't be quite as thrilling if gay "marriage" were passed by a solid majority of the people in a plebiscite.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at December 19, 2013 02:47 PM (dfYL9)

175 What's the gay equivalent of a honeymoon? Serious, you guys, you can't really call it a honeymoon, can you?

Posted by: Fritz at December 19, 2013 06:41 PM (UzPAd)

It's called MOONING

Posted by: The Jackhole at December 19, 2013 02:47 PM (nTgAI)

176 cali's latest referendum is for repealing the pick your gender law. all school kids get to decide what sex they are and then use that bathroom, that lockeroom and play on the sports team of the sex you identify with. they were surprised they got pushback. but that's what you get with a dem monopoly.

Posted by: oc joe at December 19, 2013 02:47 PM (hqVUe)

177 Serious, you guys, you can't really call it a honeymoon, can you? Posted by: Fritz at December 19, 2013 06:41 PM (UzPAd) ***** Hmmm... Perhaps a "homey"-moon Full moon.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 19, 2013 02:48 PM (t+DWU)

178

@121 If there is such a thing as a "gay gene", then their kids might be carriers.

But what happens if gays everywhere are allowed to marry within their sex? How will the gay gene be passed along (at least in the same numbers as gays married to "beards")?

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Someone who had once done a purely informal look into the matter came to the conclusion that there likely is something genetic to male same sex attraction, and that guys get it through their mother. His conclusion was that it wasn't passed on through fathers, even if they did have a window dressing marriage with kids. He's not a scientist or researcher (he's a lawyer - and not the sort that would have to deal with this sort of thing), and I have no idea what sort of information he had acess to. But if his theorizing had any accuracy at all, then any genetics involved might not be as cut and dried as "all the gay men stop reproducing and it largely goes away".

Posted by: junior at December 19, 2013 02:48 PM (UWFpX)

179 What's the gay equivalent of a honeymoon? Sodomoon.

Posted by: --- at December 19, 2013 02:48 PM (MMC8r)

180 Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 19, 2013 06:45 PM (t3UFN) Hmmm.... inherent in every Natural Right, is its Opposite... The Right to Free Speech, holds within it the Right to be silent. The Right to Property, entails the Right not to own... Freedom of Religion, embraces the Freedom not to have a Religion... And Freedom of Association, MUST entail the Freedom NOT to associate. They are constantly forcing themselves into my attention... into my world.... They are denying my Right NOT to Associate...

Posted by: Romeo13 at December 19, 2013 02:48 PM (lZBBB)

181 Genes do a lot more than determine the simple things like hair color and eye color. They along with non-genetic agents can determine any thing about a person. No matter how complicated and unanalyzable it may seem. A single "gay gene" is unlikely, but sets of genes operating in particular circumstances could determine gay or not gay. Even in identical twins.

Posted by: eman at December 19, 2013 02:48 PM (EWsrI)

182 Some people sure is dumb.

Posted by: dogfish at December 19, 2013 02:49 PM (nsOJa)

183 Wading into the fray... I attend a predominantly black "mega church" in Los Angeles (my mother is the Financial Director). The founding pastor and his family are very conservative; unfortunately, a large portion of the congregation is not. Anyway, they had to change their by-laws so as to prevent lawsuits from the homosexuals. The black gay mafia is all the rage here in Los Angeles. By the way, ESPN analyst Chris Broussard spoke to the congregation one Sunday, recounting his experience with being labeled a "homophobe" for speaking out against Jason Collins. It was interesting. And whoever said up thread that they were burnt out on racial discussions...I am too. But I am not allowed to feel this way according to the race hustlers.

Posted by: I Be That Chick on Her iPad at December 19, 2013 02:49 PM (iTNZM)

184
Blue shadows on the trail
Little cowboy, close your eyes and dream

All of the doggies are in the corral
All of your work is done

Just close your eyes and dream little pal
Dream of someonnnnne

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at December 19, 2013 02:49 PM (kdS6q)

185 Genes do a lot more than determine the simple things like hair color and eye color. Do these genes make my ass look fat?

Posted by: Meghan McCain at December 19, 2013 02:50 PM (qBfwJ)

186 178 It could be explained as a recessive genetic trait, one that wouldn't manifest in every case, but I'd still say uterine development would be a better candidate.

Posted by: --- at December 19, 2013 02:50 PM (MMC8r)

187 News flash - Ethan Krupp while at Madison was a failed comedy writer who mistook nasty snark for humor and is a really nasty piece of work.

From the Daily Caller
http://tinyurl.com/ksvocq7

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 19, 2013 02:50 PM (Zm0GY)

188 I'm thinking "brigadoon" sounds about not quite twice as masculine.

Posted by: Fritz at December 19, 2013 02:50 PM (UzPAd)

189 They are constantly forcing themselves into my attention... into my world.... They are denying my Right NOT to Associate... Posted by: Romeo13 at December 19, 2013 06:48 PM (lZBBB) Yeah I'm with ya on that

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 19, 2013 02:51 PM (t3UFN)

190 @170

Personally I don't care what anyone does in the privacy of their bedrooms

Yeah , privacy. That's still a thing right?

I totally agreed with the let and let live. Right up to where my kids were forced to "accept" ( meaning "celebrate") gays in their school.

They don't want equality. They want complete dominance of American culture. It's the ultimate narcissism.

Posted by: noone, really [/i] [/b] at December 19, 2013 02:51 PM (5ikDv)

191 185 Genes do a lot more than determine the simple things like hair color and eye color. Do these genes make my ass look fat? Posted by: Meghan McCain at December 19, 2013 06:50 PM (qBfwJ) The empty pie pans may have played a roll, too.

Posted by: eman at December 19, 2013 02:51 PM (EWsrI)

192
Marriage is between man and woman. Anything else is an aberration.

   Got no problem with same sex couples enjoying any and all protection afforded by civil unions. Nothing else.

   I'm beyond sick of this horseshit and will gladly refrain from any further commentary concerning gay marriage and homosexuality in general.

    Enjoy your evening.

Posted by: irongrampa at December 19, 2013 02:52 PM (SAMxH)

193 187 Anna Puma,

Yeah not shocking at all...

the guy is an activist and they are not exactly witty, funny, earnest people who want to do good they are nascent class warriors who are well assholes.

Posted by: sven10077 at December 19, 2013 02:53 PM (9jfyN)

194 The purpose to pushing the gene premise is that that would render it inalterable. If it's developmental or psychological, it's curable or treatable, and that is the notion that the activists want eliminated.

Posted by: --- at December 19, 2013 02:53 PM (MMC8r)

195 Isn't that convenient for the Dem AG who is running against Republican Governor Suzanne Martinez? Why do I think that the AG didn't exactly vigorously defend the state's constitution and the people's right to vote on changes?

Posted by: 2nd Amendment Mother at December 19, 2013 02:54 PM (L4CWX)

196 No matter how complicated and unanalyzable it may seem.

A single "gay gene" is unlikely, but sets of genes operating in particular circumstances could determine gay or not gay.
-------------------------------------

Your argument relies on unprovable 'maybes'. It assumes facts which have no basis.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at December 19, 2013 02:55 PM (aDwsi)

197 Purely anecdotal, I know. I've known a lot of women who identify as gay. Every single woman, each one, has had a history of sexual abuse, most often as a child by a family member.

Posted by: grammie winger at December 19, 2013 02:55 PM (P6QsQ)

198 I am gay-ed out. 'The love that must not speak it's name', now won't STFU. Posted by: Tami at December 19, 2013 05:54 PM (bCEmE) I love you Tami! (But not that that way! No! Eeew Gross!)

Posted by: Deety at December 19, 2013 02:55 PM (ad4e8)

199 This Eternal War on Homosexual Marriage is ridiculous.

Posted by: ScoggDog at December 19, 2013 02:55 PM (6/+vz)

200 the gay gene puts homos on equal footing, politically, as blacks it's all bullshit

Posted by: Target at December 19, 2013 02:55 PM (yzlKi)

201 "Ethan Krupp while at Madison was a failed comedy writer who mistook nasty snark for humor"

Wait, there's a difference?

Posted by: Stephen Colbert and Jon Stewart at December 19, 2013 02:55 PM (gqT4g)

202 The purpose to pushing the gene premise is that that would render it inalterable. If it's developmental or psychological, it's curable or treatable, and that is the notion that the activists want eliminated. Until years down the line, different group in power, decides since it can't be changed, it'll be eliminated.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 19, 2013 02:55 PM (t+DWU)

203 If it's developmental or psychological, it's curable or treatable, and that is the notion that the activists want eliminated.

Posted by: --- at December 19, 2013 06:53 PM (MMC8r)

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And if it's a choice, one can choose otherwise.

Posted by: grammie winger at December 19, 2013 02:56 PM (P6QsQ)

204 194 The purpose to pushing the gene premise is that that would render it inalterable. If it's developmental or psychological, it's curable or treatable, and that is the notion that the activists want eliminated. Posted by: --- at December 19, 2013 06:53 PM (MMC8r) The other side of the coin is you could use the "gay genes" against them. It is short-sighted in another way because genetic outcomes someday will be plastic.

Posted by: eman at December 19, 2013 02:56 PM (EWsrI)

205 Penumbrus. Is there anything they can't do?

Posted by: Sharkman at December 19, 2013 02:57 PM (UKsqc)

206

Equal Protection?

Barky has pretty much killed that with the way that ZeroCare has been administrated.

Waivers...exemptions...for the protected class, but the rest of us are fucked.

Political Correctness protects the protected classes...

But what protects us from them and their bullying?

How do we get protection from the protected classes?

Posted by: wheatie at December 19, 2013 02:57 PM (5Nhsl)

207 I am willing to accept the possibility that there could be a genetic component to choice.

Like global warming,unfortunately, the "science is settled" before the real questions can be asked.

This helps the agenda and protects the "victim class".

Posted by: noone, really [/i] [/b] at December 19, 2013 02:58 PM (5ikDv)

208 So is New Mexico that State that only has Queers or Steers?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at December 19, 2013 02:58 PM (t3UFN)

209 196 No matter how complicated and unanalyzable it may seem. A single "gay gene" is unlikely, but sets of genes operating in particular circumstances could determine gay or not gay. ------------------------------------- Your argument relies on unprovable 'maybes'. It assumes facts which have no basis. Posted by: Mike Hammer at December 19, 2013 06:55 PM (aDwsi) It is known that genes can and do work in concert and their activity can be altered by non-genetic agents.

Posted by: eman at December 19, 2013 02:58 PM (EWsrI)

210 fyi, I'm on the tanning bed right now at the gym

Posted by: soothsayer at December 19, 2013 02:58 PM (yzlKi)

211 204 eman at December 19, 2013 06:56 PM (EWsrI)

It is going to be fun watching the Glee Mafia arguing that parents should not be allowed to control gene massaging WRT sexual preference if there are in fact genetic predisposition triggers and ode.

Posted by: sven10077 at December 19, 2013 02:58 PM (9jfyN)

212 What will the left do when they are all out of victims? At this rate, there should be no laws left by 2016. What will the campaign on?

Posted by: Jen at December 19, 2013 02:59 PM (ufYbZ)

213 For the record, Ethan is not related.

Posted by: Friedrich Krupp at December 19, 2013 02:59 PM (0FSuD)

214

@183 The black gay mafia is all the rage here in Los Angeles.

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Ugh... that's something I hadn't heard about. I'm kind of surprised, actually, given how hostile the black community in general is toward gays. I wouldn't have thought that a group like that would be able to throw weight around in the black community.

Posted by: junior at December 19, 2013 02:59 PM (UWFpX)

215

@211 It is going to be fun watching the Glee Mafia arguing that parents should not be allowed to control gene massaging WRT sexual preference if there are in fact genetic predisposition triggers and ode.

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Or abort.

Posted by: junior at December 19, 2013 03:00 PM (UWFpX)

216 Imagine amniocentesis for Downs Syndrome AND the Gay Gene. The Left has supported abortion for things as ridiculous as cleft palate or simple lifestyle issues, they're gonna have a hard time being horrified at the 'gay test.'

Posted by: --- at December 19, 2013 03:00 PM (MMC8r)

217
Hurry everybody look what's goin on in our bedroom!

Posted by: Teh Gays at December 19, 2013 03:01 PM (MaP11)

218 nood

Posted by: soothsayer at December 19, 2013 03:01 PM (yzlKi)

219 It is known that genes can and do work in concert and their activity can be altered by non-genetic agents. Posted by: eman at December 19, 2013 06:58 PM (EWsrI) Yup... Genetically speaking, I should have high cholesterol.... as everyone on both sides of my family has it... I don't... and eat everything they tell me not to.... LOL... Its a crap shoot...

Posted by: Romeo13 at December 19, 2013 03:01 PM (lZBBB)

220 Pajama boy humor:

I saw a poll in one of the newspapers that asked Â“Was sex better before or after 9/11?Â” and concluded that sex was best in between the towers collapsing.

http://tinyurl.com/l8q2qje

Posted by: LC LaWedgie at December 19, 2013 03:01 PM (KQp38)

221

I was really hoping the world would be talking about Prince Charles statements on the persecution of Christians in the Middle East and North Africa.

But, squirrel.

Posted by: Ook? at December 19, 2013 03:01 PM (FBkKA)

222 Nood up.

Posted by: rickb223 at December 19, 2013 03:02 PM (t+DWU)

223 197 Purely anecdotal, I know. I've known a lot of women who identify as gay. Every single woman, each one, has had a history of sexual abuse, most often as a child by a family member. Posted by: grammie winger at December 19, 2013 06:55 PM (P6QsQ) I have seen this as well. My paternal aunt was raped by a male family friend, and she is a lesbian. She has said that this made her hate men. My former Division Chief in the Navy was a lesbian as well, molested repeatedly by her male cousin. Yet she got married and had three boys. She is now divorced and living with her lesbian lover. She did say that when she joined the military, she was "turned out" by her current partner, but felt that was wrong and decided to marry a man instead. And lastly, I have a cousin who was "turned out" by one of the older members of her high basketball team in high school. She has struggled for years now because of this. I pray for her, because it is hard to watch her like this. And when I say like this, I mean mentally and emotionally a mess.

Posted by: I Be That Chick on Her iPad at December 19, 2013 03:04 PM (iTNZM)

224 197 Purely anecdotal, I know. I've known a lot of women who identify as gay. Every single woman, each one, has had a history of sexual abuse, most often as a child by a family member. Posted by: grammie winger at December 19, 2013 06:55 PM (P6QsQ) And as anyone who has watched more than 4 episodes of law and order svu can tell you the same is true for boys as well. They always have to trot that little factoid out in every episode with a child molester.

Posted by: Buzzion at December 19, 2013 03:04 PM (Th1n8)

225 Purely anecdotal, I know. I've known a lot of women who identify as gay. Every single woman, each one, has had a history of sexual abuse, most often as a child by a family member. I like to read a lot of things on wiki (I know it's not authoritative), and I read lots of bios. And, quite often, you can see similar issues in the bios of people identified as homosexual. But it's verboten to consider that might be related.

Posted by: --- at December 19, 2013 03:08 PM (MMC8r)

226 I've noticed the same pattern, guys. Especially with homosexual men who had awful or problem fathers. Its like really hyper sexualized women who were molested as children, its an awful, heartbreaking pattern.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 19, 2013 03:09 PM (zfY+H)

227 The slippery slope that I see is the sale of genetic materials and wombs -- if not outright sale of living children. There are no genetic children in sterile marriages so a third party, whether the state, the market, or some other fraud or coercion could be the next big thing. This will not go well.

My own tipping point on the issue was the younger and younger ages of children I know talking about gay sex and how evil adults are somehow stopping the good gay people from love. Truly sad to see and hear 10-13 yo kids talking that way and declaring their gayness before any signs of puberty. Shameful that these poor kids believe they are being trendy and fashionable -- sitting ducks for the real predators in the world.

Posted by: Mustbequantum at December 19, 2013 03:10 PM (MIKMs)

228

Errr yeah... on that nature vs nurture, thing?

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

Your doing it wrong...

Posted by: Sigmund Freud at December 19, 2013 03:11 PM (kduZC)

229 I'm on the tanning bed right now at the gym

Posted by: soothsayer
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Is John Boehner there?

Posted by: Mike Hammer at December 19, 2013 03:12 PM (aDwsi)

230 54Who hasn't heard of the famous Gay Caballero?

Posted by: Caliban at December 19, 2013 06:08 PM (2ArJQ)

Roy Rogers was in The Gay Caballero.

He rode, roped, shot and sang.

Posted by: drowningpuppies at December 19, 2013 03:17 PM (012vu)

231 Its not always the case, Freudy, but often in my observation. Get back to theorizing how your young daughter lusted after you, ya sick puke.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 19, 2013 03:22 PM (zfY+H)

232 Apropos of nothing, none of my homo friends through the years, God rest their souls, every had any interest in marriage, except for one that had a basically sham marriage to a lesbian on the books back in the '70s. I just don't understand you kids today.

Posted by: toby928© Of Crazy Toby's Health-arama at December 19, 2013 03:32 PM (QupBk)

233 Marriage = kids is such a sub-optimal argument. Why to people rely on it so much?! Grrr. BTW, I want to steal a march: find the next fight the libs will litigate in 10 years, go to court on their side, F it up, lose, and have some good stare decisis on our side. See: Miller. (Iirc)

Posted by: Tonic Dog at December 19, 2013 03:43 PM (9rNUl)

234 Taking Constitutional principles on abstract terms, this is the logical outcome of things. There's a lot of issues the Founders never intended the Constitution to apply to that both sides now accept as required of it. but, a lot of conservative talk on this issue today seems to be about means, not ends, and idk the point. If you accept it its basically like Goldwater being against segregation but also against the 1964 act because of govt overreach.

Posted by: blue.dot at December 19, 2013 03:44 PM (VRSG2)

235 and idk the point. Understandable, since your an idiot. But on point, the Founders would be shocked by this since they were big believers in Federalism and local rule. Hell, they supported State Churches, if that is what the states wanted.

Posted by: toby928© Of Crazy Toby's Health-arama at December 19, 2013 03:54 PM (QupBk)

236 your an idiot My point is that if you're not gonna take issue with the substance of this, if you accept the argument but object to the means, how is that much different from invoking states rights back in the 50s and 60s? They're diff issues but the framing of things as states vs federal meddling is the same.

Posted by: blue.dot at December 19, 2013 04:01 PM (VRSG2)

237

In the '40's and '50's, the pop pysch theory was that homosexual sons were the product of overbearing mothers and weak fathers. Sounds like bs to us now - except that I've known more than a couple of gay men who actually came from families like that. Who knows?

While there might be a genetic component to it, whether or not you choose to act on those impulses probably depends very much on both your upbringing and the social environment. Now, when it's fashionable to be gay, people who might have suppressed the urge in earlier eras have no reason to.

Posted by: Donna V. at December 19, 2013 04:11 PM (R3gO3)

238 New Mexico...

Now no longer better than Old Mexico!

Posted by: Zohydro at December 19, 2013 04:26 PM (C4Zwk)

239 Persondating is a word I can get behind. Perchilddating. Can't let sons off the hook just because they're minors. Posted by: Anachronda Harry, is that you Harry?

Posted by: Mrs. Reid at December 19, 2013 04:27 PM (eBupg)

240

Years ago, a friend of mine went to some Betty Ford type place in Pennsylvania to sober up. Her roommate there was a lesbian - and a very definite "lipstick lesbian" - a pretty Hispanic woman who had a black eye. The lesbian told my friend she had "discovered" she was gay after she had been gang-raped by 5 guys when she was 19. She also told her "Chris" had beaten her up and that's why she had the black eye.

"Chris" came to visit her. Chris was a big blonde dyke in a flannel shirt and Birkenstocks. Apparently Chris liked to belt her girlfriend every now and then.

Woman "became" lesbian because of horrifying abuse by men - and then got into abusive relationships with other women.

That's the most extreme case I've ever heard of but I agree with other commenters that lesbians often seem to have a history of being sexually abused or raped by men.

An ER doc I know tells me that it is not at all unusual for gay men to get into fistfights - often very violent ones - with their lovers. That's easy to understand. With two men arguing there isn't that "I can't hit her, she's a woman" restraint that straight men who have been raised right have.

Posted by: Donna V. at December 19, 2013 04:27 PM (R3gO3)

241 If we've lost the ability to see that homosexual behavior is shameful and unnatural, we are much to be pitied.

Posted by: Wisdom of the Ages[/i] at December 19, 2013 05:59 PM (klzyR)

242 People who believe that being gay is a choice - that means you could choose to be gay. Try it...try to be attracted to the same sex. You don't have to act on it, just try to switch over for a day or two. I am unable to do it, but maybe you can....choose...to change one of the most fundamental things about yourself.

Posted by: Jason M at December 19, 2013 11:11 PM (eZNaY)

243 The problem is that sate constitutions are usually REALLY easy to amend by referendum. At some point the judge has to just admit there's no language supporting his fiat and his legal reasoning is "because I'm a demigod and eff you peons and you don't have the guts to impeach me anyway."

Posted by: cackfinger at December 20, 2013 12:20 AM (OsCtd)

244 "242 People who believe that being gay is a choice - that means you could choose to be gay. Try it...try to be attracted to the same sex. You don't have to act on it, just try to switch over for a day or two. I am unable to do it, but maybe you can....choose...to change one of the most fundamental things about yourself." How do you know it's so "fundamental" and not a hormonal change thing or just something that can gradually change as say constant stimuli and associations change? I don't see much value of this as a thought experiment.

Posted by: cackfinger at December 20, 2013 12:27 AM (OsCtd)

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