1 Da grey boss, da grey!

2 Remove their pensions by declaring such illegality a clear violation of Amendment 14 section 3 (Rebellion) and the IRS employees and appointees involved can never get another red cent from the treasury.

3 Looks like we're missing a blockquote close-tag.

4 I think AtC and WN's current conversation is keeping this thread empty...

5 The entire government is run by radical leftists out to advance their agenda. They will let nothing and no one get in their commie way

6 I'd prefer they be declared outlaw and hunted like tasty, tasty prairie chickens - but I think that'd be difficult. They would not taste good in sage either.

7 Shocking. Not.

8 Wait a sec, who the hell got Ace up this early? Someone pranking by lighting the ewok light?

9 Hag needs to go to jail. And only a naive person could think that this didn't originate in the Oval Office.

10 Nothing to see here, move along now.

11 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

12 Burn it down. Scatter the stones. Salt the earth where it stood.

13 Anything in Lerner's past that would indicate she is hyper-partisan?  She seems more like a career hack that would pull strings to keep her bosses pleased, but not the kind of "liberal warrior" that would hatch the scheme on her own?

What was in it for her if she really did act alone?

14 Avenge Me!

15 Man that's cold. Wish we'd thought of it.

16 It's unbelievable...truly unbelievable...

17 Unexpected!
Looks like we've been fundamentally transformed into a third world corruptocracy.

18 Old news. It was a botched operation. We don't report a local crime stories. At this point what does it matter?

19 Joe the Plumber was outed by state and county agencies. John McCain - Is Joe here today? Joe? No matter, we are all Joe the Plumber (voice trailing off in foggy pre dementia haze.)

20 Tax law specialist Carter Hull, who works for Seto, testified that despite his 48 years of experience approving or denying tax-exempt status applications, he was told in the winter of 2010 that, at the direction of Lerner, the applications would need to be sent to the chief counsel's office for further review. Hull said never before in his nearly five-decade career had he been told to send applications up the pipeline. Remember, Ladies and Gentlemen Morons & 'Ettes, this was to influence the outcome of elections. The IRS engaged in silencing political dissent in order to get favorable results for their Political Patrons in 2 elections. Forget rolling over in their graves, the Founding Fathers would be shooting by now.

21 "Former U.S. President Jimmy Carter Â… in the wake of the NSA spying scandal criticized the American political system. “America has no functioning democracy,” Carter said Tuesday at a meeting of the “Atlantic Bridge” in Atlanta."  http://tinyurl.com/k68y6ep

22

And now the fingerpointing begins.  No one wants to be the last to sell-out his comrades and end up taking all of the blame.

 

Sit back folks and please stay patient; this is going to go on for a very long, long time before everything is brought out into the daylight.

23 12 Burn it down.
Scatter the stones.
Salt the earth where it stood.
—
I'm becoming increasingly fond of AtC's "Nuke the ashes" scenario.

24 Anything in Lerner's past that would indicate she is hyper-partisan? She seems more like a career hack that would pull strings to keep her bosses pleased, but not the kind of "liberal warrior" that would hatch the scheme on her own? What was in it for her if she really did act alone? Posted by: Serious Cat at July 18, 2013 10:13 AM (UypUQ) She ran the FEC like her own personal, er, IRS. I doubt she would hatch the scheme on her won but she would be quite gleeful about implementing it. She is clearly a hyper-partisan. As far as what's in it for her? IRS Commissioner Lerner sounds lovely, doesn't it?

25 But don't worry, there's apparently no "there, there". This means nothing. -Barack Obama

26

Posted by: Serious Cat at July 18, 2013 10:13 AM (UypUQ)

 

IIRC she forced Republicans to go through extra hoops when she was at the FEC.  Very much a hyper-partisan slag bag.

27 Burn it down. Scatter the stones. Salt the earth where it stood. You do know that one nuke achieves all of the desired effects with much more pizazz right?

28 48 years of experience? How old IS this guy?

29 I want to see some people go to jail for this. But I doubt if we will get anything other than another Issa hearing and a lot of hot air.


As I said in my first post this morning. The major topic one year ago today was the FDA spying on whistleblowers and employees.  I could not even find anything that said anybody had even been fired or disciplined at all.


A lot of hot air and NOTHING came out of it.  I doubt if you question 100 people on the street NONE of them will remember it or even admit hearing about it.

30 Relying on someone else to "do something about this" seems rather naive. The very mechanisms to deal with just exactly this sort of behavior are infested with leftists in on the game, and who willfully turn a blind eye.

At some point the "somebody doing something" is going to be us, and there will be bullets flying and bombs bursting in air.

31 You do know that one nuke achieves all of the desired effects with much more pizazz right?

Can you still farm a field covered in trinitite? 

32 And here Dick Cheney started a war to get every drop of Iraqi oil just for a half point bump in Halliburton's stock price. If only he knew the possibilities.

33 nuke it from orbit detonate the core build a hyperspace bypass

34 How about all the people who thought OJ was framed?

35 He's old enough to remember this:
http://tinyurl.com/yxdhls

36 What was in it for her if she really did act alone? Acting alone or not, Lerner's superiors bear responsibility if for no other reason than they hired her and let her run wild. Lerner does have a long history as a progressive warrior based on reports of her stint at the FEC. And another thing: I put this kind of shit beyond nobody. I have my own list of things that I would do if I were king for a day. My first act would be to zero-out federal funding for copyright anti-piracy enforcement and post a notice to slashdot so the leftard media companies would be brought down almost immediately by the leftard Snowdenites.

37 You do know that one nuke achieves all of the desired effects with much more pizazz right? Posted by: Burn the Witch at July 18, 2013 10:19 AM (4XER9) Yeah but doing all that and then nuking it shows just how pissed off we are.

38 Here's an idea: lets give the IRS control of our health care insurance. What could possibly go wrong?

39 Don't you wingnuts get it? There's no there there. Just shut up and take the unscheduled colonoscopy from your betters. Trust Big Brother like your own.

40 So the IRS has declared war on roughly half of America. Good to know.

41 Nukes leave a bad taste when making S'Mores.

42 You do know that one nuke achieves all of the desired effects with much more pizazz right? But it's not nearly as cathartic. Can you still farm a field covered in trinitite? Well, you can't really farm a field that's been burned and salted, so I'm not sure why that's a question.

43 Oops my last post was response to #9

Hag needs to go to jail. And only a naive person could think that this didn't originate in the Oval Office.

Posted by: Jmel at July 18, 2013 10:12 AM (cfFqn)

44 Lerner's entire history is progressive trash ruling class. She's a liberal fascist to the core.

45 Bygorah! Now catpiss shows up...

46 Anything in Lerner's past that would indicate she is hyper-partisan? She seems more like a career hack that would pull strings to keep her bosses pleased, but not the kind of "liberal warrior" that would hatch the scheme on her own?

What was in it for her if she really did act alone?

Posted by: Serious Cat at July 18, 2013 10:13 AM (UypUQ)

From what I know she's a hard core, dedicated, militant leftist.

47 Our elections are above reproach though,no?

48 And don't miss this from @benk84 -- Christine O'Donnell's tax records were leaked the day she announced her candidacy. On March 9, 2010, the day she revealed her plan to run for the Senate in a press release, a tax lien was placed on a house purported to be hers and publicized. The problem was she no longer owned the house. The IRS eventually blamed the lien on a computer glitch and withdrew it. Now Mr. Martel, a criminal investigator for the Treasury DepartmentÂ’s inspector general for tax administration, was telling her that an official in Delaware state government had improperly accessed her records on that very same day. --- Unlike Mayor "Dedee" Slaughter of Port Allen, LA, Ms. O'Donnell really WAS the result of a witch-hunt.

49 I'm innocent bitches.  Now watch me perform the great song "The Sounds of Silence".

50 So, is Lerner a cowatd for not testifying in her defense?

51 I'm innocent bitches. Now watch me perform the great song "The Sounds of Silence". More like "The Boxer." "Lie lie lie. Lie lie lie lie lie lie lie."

52 Not nearly as  unlikely as an Ace post before Noon.

53 So, is Lerner a cowatd for not testifying in her defense? *coward. Damn cell phone keyboard!

54 So, is Lerner a cowatd for not testifying in her defense? No, she's smart. There's nothing she could say which would make any of this better, and I'm willing to bet there's plenty of documentation about what was really going on. By not saying anything, she simultaneously hampers the investigation AND avoids perjury.

55 Wasn't LL supposed to testify again before the House? Did they reschedule her because of this guy?

56

Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at July 18, 2013 10:28 AM (V3kRK)

 

Heh.  Nice.

57 Personnel is policy...unless those appointees do something that reflects poorly upon the President.  Then, it's just a misguided, overzealous politico.  Carry on, nothing to see here. 

58 "By not saying anything, she simultaneously hampers the investigation AND avoids perjury." One reason I could consider getting on board with suspending the 5th Amendment for federal employees.

59 Remember, since Lois Lerner is a full progtard fascist -- in her mind she did nothing wrong. In her mind she's a hero. In her mind the Tea Party groups are nazi scum so it's actually heroic to secretly, illegally use the power of the IRS to screw them over. She obeys a higher law.

60 I just wonder about those people who consider Warren G. Harding one of the worst presidents because of the Tea Pot Dome Scandal (of which he had no direct involvement), but also consider Barack Obama the greatest president evar! If Harding was terrible because of his underlings, why isn't Obama?

61 "Hey spiders are awesome."

Posted by: alexthechick - Commence drinking now. at July 18, 2013 10:13 AM (VtjlW)

62

Hull said never before in his nearly five-decade career had he been told to send applications up the pipeline.

 

Aaaannndd. . .what did he do?  Did he say "WTF?" and buck the order, saying, "we don't do this!" or did he comply like a good little Brownshirt?

 

THIS is why I hate hearings like this, because nothing will be done.  Put me in charge:

 

Me:  "So, Mr. Hull, did you make any sort of protest about this order?"

 

Hull:  "No, I thought it was odd, but I figured there was a reason for it."

 

Me:  "Thank you, Mr. Hull.  Sergeant-At-Arms, take Mr. Hull into custody.  Sir, you are hereby remandered to prison for five years.  While you're there, see if you can figure out what my reason for it is!"

63 Yeah, what happened to LL coming back? They should send whatever cops apply to arrest her ass if she insists on immunity.

64 Note on Washingtonspeak - When a person testifying before Congress refuses to provide any details, but insists that they did nothing wrong, they are lying.

65 The really upsetting thing all of this is that I know that nobody in Washington is going to do anything about it.

66

Damn, Ace.  You're keeping a work schedule almost like one of us normals.

 

Next thing  you know,  he'll be going to the gym every morning and getting his swole on.  #LiveRetardStrong

67 Lois Lerner is about to become the sole scapegoat for this fiasco, because they can't let it get any higher in the food chain.  Any higher and it WILL land square in Obammy's lap, and noooo, that can't happen.   That might muss that delightful crease in his pants.

68 Nuke it with MIRVs!! Just to be sure.

69 IRS malfeasance?  Never heard of it.

70 sock. off. dammit.

71 #13 Serious Cat: Lerner also went after the Christian Coalition in the 1990s. See the sock link.

72 I am hardly the first to make this point, but here goes. You all don't suppose someone leaked information about Mitt Romney's tax returns, and that that was behind the despicable Sen. Reid's McCarthyite accusations? Naaah. That's tinfoil-hat stuff. They would never do that. It would be illegal and wrong.

73

Posted by: Aragog at July 18, 2013 10:33 AM (659DL)

 

Posted by: Mainah at July 18, 2013 10:34 AM (659DL)

 

 

SOON.

74 This is very scary stuff.  I'm thinking rope should be involved.

Proglodytes I'm sure see nothing wrong with this.

75 My jaw can't take too many more of these bombshells dropping.  Serious you guys.

76 We don't need to hang them. We just need to shut down the IRS. It's the system, not the people.

77 So... let's check these things off: * A President who has decided he doesn't need the legislature (see: Executive DREAM and threat to veto bill to give some patina of legality to his OCare Employer Mandate delay) * A Department of Just-Us which refuses to prosecute favored persons or groups (Black Panthers' voter intimidation), and threatens Federal Civil Rights action against a man who acted in Self Defense (George Zimmerman). * That same Department of Just-Us which arms the domestic enemies of an Allied State (Fast & Furious) * An IRS which * targeted non-favored groups to silence them and thus sway two elections * routinely gives tax information on non-favored groups or persons to favored groups or persons * hides details of both behind "privacy" (we can't tell you what information of yours they stole, we're protecting your privacy). * State Department which * favors Islamic Terrorists to the extent of helping the overthrow established governments and then protecting them when the People rise up again. * favors the Islamic world over our ally Israel to the extent of supporting terrorists who have sworn to destroy said ally. * Leaves its own to die rather than oppose Islamic Terrorists, and then jails a man for his political speech. I know there's more. What have I missed, and when do we start saying "Enough is enough?"

78 Replacing one tyrant with another is not the path to freedom.

79 Yeah, what happened to LL coming back? They should send whatever cops apply to arrest her ass if she insists on immunity. Posted by: Lincolntf at July 18, 2013 10:32 AM

You mean she might be "punished" like Holder has been after the "contempt" charge?

Oh NOES!

Jeez, what a buncha heartless bastiges, wanting these felonious fucks to be subject to the same laws that govern us mere mortals.

80 You do know that one nuke achieves all of the desired effects with much more pizazz right? Nukejazzle it.

81 The leftists are "true believers" and are at every level of government. If you oppose the Administration and you present a big enough target, your personal information will be available to the MSM.... The only way to stop it is to make people pay.

82 > We don't need to hang them. I prefer heads on stakes outside the airport and along all the highways into town, as a warning to new folks and a reminder to current ones.

83 Man, really?

You mean a 9000% increase in the rate of visits by the IRS head may have been indicative of an unhealthy level of interaction and familiarity between the most powerful and unaccountable enforcement body in the nation and elected officials?

Here's hoping the GOP has the sack to nail him.

84

You could adapt this scene from "Clear and Present Danger"  pretty much  untouched.

 

Carter Hull:   I didn't sign up for this. This is someone's bullshit political agenda. Who authorized this? Carney?

Lois Lerner:   Carney couldn't tie his own shoes without permission.

Carter Hull:   If I go down you're coming with me.

Lois Lerner:  Wrong again. I have an *autographed get-out-of-jail-free card*! "The President of the United States authorizes Deputy Director of the IRS Lois Lerner  to conduct 'Operation Stuttering Clusterfuck' including all necessary funding and support. This action is deemed important to the national security of the United States etcetera, etcetera, etcetera." You don't *have* one of these, do you Carter?

[as Carter Hull walks away]

Lois Lerner:   Gray! The world is gray, Carter!

85 When justice is gone. There's always force. When force is gone, there's always Mom. Hi, Mom!

86 Don't let anybody complicate the opinion on Lerner's having waived her fifth amendment right. People--even people on the right--start smokescreening this situation with red-herring precedents. First Lerner testified she did nothing wrong. Then, by attempting to plead the fifth, Lerner is claiming protection from testifying against herself about her wrongdoing. Lerner was lying then, or she is lying now. Which is it?

87 "Next thing you know, he'll be going to the gym every morning and getting his swole on." Then comes the tweeting of the dick pics.

88

>>You all don't suppose someone leaked information about Mitt Romney's tax returns, and that that was behind the despicable Sen. Reid's McCarthyite accusations?

 

But that would only make sense if Romney had done something wrong...

 

Whoa, I just tried to make sense of Reid's actions.

 

MOAR COFFEE.

89 This is very scary stuff. I'm thinking rope should be involved.

Proglodytes I'm sure see nothing wrong with this.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at July 18, 2013 10:35 AM (P7hip)

 

Rope, trees, tar, feathers and a nice long rail.   Mix and match.

90 Until it one brings the pain to those who committed these crimes, it will continue.

91 We don't need to hang them. We just need to shut down the IRS. It's the system, not the people. It's both & we CAN do both.

92 It's the system, not the people. I'm not sure I agree with you a hundred percent on your police work, there, Lou.

93 > Then comes the tweeting of the dick pics. Nub nub, look at my turgid chub chub!

94 But, but... poor Seamus had to ride in a crate!!  A CRATE I tell you!

95 Then comes the tweeting of the dick pics.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at July 18, 2013 10:38 AM (4XER9)

 

How you doin'?

96 Anything in Lerner's past that would indicate she is hyper-partisan? She seems more like a career hack that would pull strings to keep her bosses pleased, but not the kind of "liberal warrior" that would hatch the scheme on her own?

What was in it for her if she really did act alone?

Posted by: Serious Cat at July 18, 2013 10:13 AM (UypUQ)

 

As I recall,  there is significant actions in the past that tag her as a liberal partisan.

97 It's unbelievable...truly unbelievable...

--

This.  I wish for a day when I don't wake up in this country and not feel the need to rage stroke.  There is so much for the R's to pound these maggots on and secure the House and the Senate in '14.  And what are they focusing on?  F*cking amnesty for illegals. 

98 Obama had nothing to do with this, nothing
This was all low level staff out in the field, far from Washington oversight.
Our beloved President only learned about this when some 16 year old trouble maker blindsided him by asked him about it in a press conference.

Obama is completely blameless. In fact, he is working as hard as he can to protect us from these rogue bureaucrats.

If Obama really was the tyrant you right wing nuts claim he is then Oakland would look like Aleppo, and we'd all be engineers working in bomb factories.

99 Lerner was lying then, or she is lying now. Which is it? Yes.

100

"Former U.S. President Jimmy Carter … in the wake of the NSA spying scandal criticized the American political system. “America has no functioning democracy,” Carter said Tuesday at a meeting of the “Atlantic Bridge” in Atlanta."

 

 

He  has both agreed with the Zimmerman jury and now says this.  I agree with Jimmy Carter.  The room is spinning.  I don't know what to do now.

 

Well, I still want to piss on his grave.  But otherwise, I  just don't know what to do.

 

The world is truly upside down.

101 Posted by: NBC News at July 18, 2013 10:32 AM (gqgiP) I am torn being smacking and laughing. Oh. Wait. I can do both! *does so*

102

It's the system, not the people.

 

No.  Respectfully, but emphatically, NO.  It IS the people.  If the Horde were running the IRS, we would not be using its powers to harass and hinder ordinary Americans.  These scum do.  Because to them, we offend their very beings by existing.  We are, as Her Imperial Majesty states, Unpeople of Jesusland.  They are Bill Ayers' children, who would gladly see 20 million of us exterminated.

 

It IS the system and it IS the people.  Punish - REALLY punish them now, or prepare for blood to your knees.

103 Ace:  Small quibble.  "At the till" should read "At the tiller."

Because I'm a nerd.

104 SOON. Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at July 18, 2013 10:35 AM (4df7R) lol. caught red handed. *feet don't fail me now!

105 Naaah. That's tinfoil-hat stuff. They would never do that. It would be illegal and wrong. It's like voter fraud. Couldn't possibly be happening on any scale large enough to affect national elections. Right? Right??

106

I know there's more. What have I missed, and when do we start saying "Enough is enough?"

 

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) - Passing through Rage & Out the Other Side at July 18, 2013 10:36 AM (/PCJa)

 

We can't, Allen.  Might lose those all-important moderate votes by being gleefully mean.

107 Corruption at the highest levels of the government and not a fucking thing will be done about it.

108 I'm wondering what kind of IRS blackmail could have been used to put this sissy-ass bastard into two terms in the first place. This dipshit was ordained the next president in 2003 with that fuckstick speech at the DNC back when he was a nothing Illinois rep. You don't think the criminal tentacles that fucked over Jack Ryan et al wouldn't reach into the federal bureaucracy and put their unqualified Manchurian Candidate in office? The utter failure of the GOP to be a meaningful opposition despite a massive grassroots surge has to be explainable by something, and blackmail is gaining ground as a likely candidate.

109 Would creating graphic tees that are printed to look like a torso covered in tar and feathers, and then sending those tees to everyone on   Capitol Hill,   count as      a criminal act?    I'm asking for a friend.

110 Lerner went to the mattresses, find another rat to roll.

111 IRS+NSA = Modern Day STASI
DOJ = Modern Day Gestapo
DHS= Modern Day SS (Schurtzstaffel)
Obama = Modern Day Adolf Hitler

Just look it up and you will see the remarkable similarities.

It's pathetic and sad that we let history repeat itself.

112 So...what do we do? Because revolutions have begun over less.

113 I think we're going to do a Die Hard special edition and instead of the FBI being called in, we're going to send in the IRS.

114 It's the system, not the people.

BULL and SHIT, sir. Bullshit.

Both are equally in need of a thorough purge, and as far as personnel - there very much does need to be some hangings.

115 There are so damned many scandals/issues now that the house cannot possibly keep up. They are torn between Benghazi, and the IRS, and the NSA, and Obamacare, etc... It's just incredible.

116 Remember when the GOP decided to pivot to Immigration rather than deal with this?

117 I know there's more. What have I missed, and when do we start saying "Enough is enough?"

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) - Passing through Rage & Out the Other Side at July 18, 2013 10:36 AM (/PCJa) --

 

You missed the part about nothing will happen to anybody

118 If the Horde were running the IRS, we would not be using its powers to harass and hinder ordinary Americans.

We'd be requisitioning some flamethrowers, though.

119 Yeah but doing all that and then nuking it shows just how pissed off we are. 

Posted by: alexthechick - Commence drinking now. at July 18, 2013 10:21 AM (VtjlW)

Precisely.  This isn't entirely about cleaning out this batch.  It's also about sending a message to the next batch.

"Be advised, fuckers.  This is what we are capable of when our ire is raised.  That is all."

120 90 Lerner was lying then, or she is lying now. Which is it? Its lies all the way down and all the way up.

121 As I recall, there is significant actions in the past that tag her as a liberal partisan.

Posted by: polynikes at July 18, 2013 10:40 AM (m2CN7)

Which doesn't matter at all. Thought crimes are bullshit (see: Zimmerman, G.).

If she selected groups for special attention and delay on the basis of their politics she should be tried for the crime. Why she did it is unimportant, except in the context of nailing the person above her in the hierarchy.

122 *feet don't fail me now! Posted by: Mainah at July 18, 2013 10:41 AM (659DL) It's so sweet that you want to give the Ravage a morning run. Awwww.

123 We can't, Allen. Might lose those all-important moderate votes by being gleefully mean. We != The GOP VAG.

124

Ace: Small quibble. "At the till" should read "At the tiller."

----------------------

 

Yeah, but "till" could be a double-entendre, seeing as the  role of the IRS is to dip INTO the till, so to speak.  Maybe he was making a clever pun.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yeah,  he meant "tiller."

125 People with integrity, perhaps drawn from he military, the business world, etc. instead of the campaign payoff miasma of pols from all 50 States sending their political spalpeens and feckless nephews to lifetime sinecures, would be nice.

126 94 CDR M,

That's the thing M and it is why I was so off the hook last night.  Then I get up at 5:50 this morning b/c "bodyclock" and read over at Tepid that golly John McCain is going "Budgeto Grande!"  There is no will to make these games painful by the people we empower to engage in oversight.

It's not like when I was one of the voices that had Maet doing those wonderfully nihilistic "NO HOPE doomed!" ONTs just resignation.

There's no rage or emo past a certain point that I am maintaining for form's sake, the fact is the 20 somethings are so stupid they will never grasp the suckage is in their power to fix so it won't be.

Buckle up Sailor you know what comes next.

Heh hope you're well.

127 95 We don't need to hang them.

We just need to shut down the IRS.

It's the system, not the people.



It's both & we CAN do both.

This.

And we SHOULD do both.
Make every liberal in the land terrified of expressing a leftist opinion. 

128

Posted by: Jaws at July 18, 2013 10:41 AM (4I3Uo)

 

Well I'm always right twice a day.

129

>>>>Corruption at the highest levels of the government and not a fucking thing will be done about it.

 

Which ought to tell you something: Its not considered corruption.

130 Apropos of nothing, I have an old rifle that I need to find out what caliber ammunition it uses. Should I just take it to a gunsmith for that?

131 No one that high pulls stunts like these without having the backing of the White House.  I am fairly certain Obama did not have a direct hand in this, but, I will bet nexts months pension that Valerie Jarrett was hip deep in giving "directions" to Lerner.

132

OT Benghazi from Drudge

 

"On Tuesday I raised the question of why none of the Benghazi survivors, whether State Department, CIA, or private security contract employees have testified publicly before Congress," said Wolf.

 

"According to trusted sources that have contacted my office, many if not all of the survivors of the Benghazi attacks along with others at the Department of Defense, the CIA have been asked or directed to sign additional non-disclosure agreements about their involvement in the Benghazi attacks. Some of these new NDAs, as they call them, I have been told were signed as recently as this summer."

 

Wolf continued: "It is worth nothing that the Marine Corps Times yesterday reported that the Marine colonel whose task force was responsible for special operations in northern and western Africa at the time of the attack is still on active duty despite claims that he retired. And therefore could not be forced to testify before Congress.

 

"If these reports are accurate, this would be a stunning revelation to any member of Congress, any member of Congress that finds this out and also more importantly to the American people. It also raises serious concerns about the priority of the administration's efforts to silence those with knowledge of the Benghazi attack in response.

133 122 Bevel L,

Yeah Bevel we call that throwing the drawn flush into the junk and hoping for a pair....

you wanted the Washington Generals gentlemen?

I give you the V-A-G

134 Should I just take it to a gunsmith for that?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) - Passing through Rage & Out the Other Side at July 18, 2013 10:45 AM (/PCJa)

Nah.  Just start sending random rounds through it.  Nothing too bad could happen, right?



No.  Take it to a gunsmith.

135 There's also the chilling effect that this IRS releasing records stuff has on any conservative considering a run for office. Ohhh, you want to run for a House seat? It would be a shame if your credit score got ruined if you do.

136

>>>>So...what do we do? Because revolutions have begun over less.

 

We get our Leaders to LEAD!!

 

/bwahahahahaha

137 Which life-long, conservative, Tea Party (anonymous) Republican are they going to blame this on?

138 It's so sweet that you want to give the Ravage a morning run. Awwww. Ravage? That sounds hot.

139 Nah. Just start sending random rounds through it. Nothing too bad could happen, right? Ah. The Wile E. Coyote method. Why do all these ammo boxes say ACME on the side?

140 The 20 somethings are no more stupid ( certainly not responsible for this shit) than our generation, I fucking hate that old man bullflop.

141 Should I just take it to a gunsmith for that? Yes. Or you could go register at the high road dot org and post a photo of it. I think the members there would get a kick out of trying to figure out what it is.

142 RE: Christine O'Donnell from the last post [ I] And that story says they put an erroneous tax lien on a house she no longer owned -- and leaked that to make her look like a fraud or a deadbeat Yep, I remember a few bloggers and commenters at certain blogs falling for the deadbeat thing due to this false lien. The general consensus was, "well she must have done SOMETHING wrong."

143 Remember when the GOP decided to pivot to Immigration rather than deal with this? I haven't forgotten a single failure of the GOP to achieve any sort of meaningful result consistent with their party platform. Ok, that's probably not true. It's a pretty long list.

144 So why aren't these leakers being aggressively hunted down and prosecuted? And why do these leaks only happen to Republican/conservatives?

145 Do you hear those howls, Ms. Lerner? That is a pack of civil rights attorneys, and they smell blood. They will pick you clean for their clients and leave your bones to bleach in the sun.

146 Apropos of nothing, I have an old rifle that I need to find out what caliber ammunition it uses. Should I just take it to a gunsmith for that? Yes. And have him check it for soundness before you fire it.

147 You guys still want me to show up or wait on the GOP to fix things?

148 Should I just take it to a gunsmith for that? Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) - Passing through Rage & Out the Other Side at July 18, 2013 10:45 AM (/PCJa) Start with .22lr and work your way up. MUCH safer than going from big to small.

149 Nah. Just start sending random rounds through it. Nothing too bad could happen, right? http://www.s-anand.net/blog/calvin-and-hobbes-dad-explains-science/

150 Excepting the fact that we live in the story "Alice in Wonderland", we have enough malfeasance to indict, impeach or otherwise remove from office a sizable portion of the Democrat Party, and the Media (but I repeat myself). Unfortunately, there is no indication that anything resembling this will happen. Their is no opposition to Democrat crime, from anyone who could legally accomplish anything. So, we agonize. But the elected in Washington do not.(I'm looking at you, Republican Party......).
I'm going swimming. Call me when there's some opposition to the criminals in Washington and various State Houses across the country. We're just a rabble now, with high blood pressure.

151 Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) - Passing through Rage & Out the Other Side at July 18, 2013 10:45 AM (/PCJa)

Send a good photo of it to Andy, and maybe he'll post it as the gun of the week on the gun thread!

152 Yes. And have him check it for soundness before you fire it. Yeah, I'm sure it'll need a good cleaning. My brother was the last one to fire it several years ago (using the last of the ammunition, and throwing away the box. Thanks, bro!), and I'm virtually certain he didn't clean it. (Thanks, bro!)

153 Uh. I think this explains some of the squirrels we've been seeing recently. Why no flaming skull? This feels like a straw that breaks...? Shit, I guess I better read the rest of the comments.

154 Why no flaming skull?

Sequester.

155 Send a good photo of it to Andy, and maybe he'll post it as the gun of the week on the gun thread! Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 18, 2013 10:50 AM (gqgiP) Along with your contact info!

156 Are June bugs allowed to still be around in July?  Cause we have a bunch of them and the dogs keep bringing them into the house.

157 Hell with tar and feathers. It's time for black pitch and stinging nettles. Then, the fire ants.

158 Proglodytes I'm sure see nothing wrong with this.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm

****

They don't. I was reading an article on the Fox news website and in the comments they insisted the IRS did nothing wrong....and that it was justified. Interesting contradiction that only leftists can ignore.

159 The list of crimes against the American people grow longer by the day. When is someone going to say enough is enough and go bat shit Nuremberg crazy and start trying these assholes. Fun Fact: 3rd and Garland St, Fort smith Ar. Judge Isaac Parker's gallows recreated in all their glory.

160 There's also the chilling effect that this IRS releasing records stuff has on any conservative considering a run for office. Ohhh, you want to run for a House seat? It would be a shame if your credit score got ruined if you do. Posted by: Mainah at July 18, 2013 10:46 AM (659DL) There was that gentleman in Illinois that Lerner went after when at the FEC. She made him an offer to drop everything if he agreed to never run for office again. She lost the case but he said that he will never run for office again after going through that. Guess who actually won?

161

Not only do I want David French to get sucker punched by a Trayvon clone, I also want him to be audited by the IRS. 

 

My vengence engine  is red lining today. 

162 Send a good photo of it to Andy, and maybe he'll post it as the gun of the week on the gun thread! Heh. "Answer below the fold." Comment #1: So WTF kind of a rifle is it? Update to Post: "Answer below the fold somewhere in the comments, hopefully soon. Get cracking, morons!"

163 101 Polynikes,

Lerner is legendary for attacking any conservatism possible in every "non-partisan" job she's had.

http://tinyurl.com/m6o3fax

That's her "work" at the FEC

add in her spouse is a lawyer for a Granola Green Law gang....

anyway "whatever"

164 Confidence that a single hair on anyone's head will be hurt or even mussed: Zero Point Zero.

Nothing will come of this kabuki.

Yeah, I'll get a dozen different groups asking for money to punish the guilty parties and the outcome will be a ten percent increase in federal spending and personnel and a catalog of new laws restricting an ever diminishing list of freedoms.

D.C. Delenda Est.

165 June bugs in July is strictly verboten.

166

Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at July 18, 2013 10:50 AM (V3kRK)

That's my second favorite.

This is my favorite. 
http://tinyurl.com/npylkxm

167

>>Yep, I remember a few bloggers and commenters at certain blogs falling for the deadbeat thing due to this false lien. The general consensus was, "well she must have done SOMETHING wrong."

 

So with access to her records, all they could do was make up something false.

 

And all Reid couldn't come up without any actual crap about Romeny.

 

Kinda funny, in a horrible way.

168 Just for giggles, I think we should all call up our local ACLU cell and ask them to sue the IRS, Holder, and Obama for violating the civil liberties of a vast swathe of Americans.  It would be fun to listen to the good little civil libertarians tell us why that vast swathe of Americans have no f@cking civil rights or liberties.

Yeah, cause I am evil like that.

169 He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harrass our people, and eat out their substance.

170 Nah. Just start sending random rounds through it. Nothing too bad could happen, right? That's why I'm not allowed to have nice things...

171 Lois Lerner is about to become the sole scapegoat for this fiasco, because they can't let it get any higher in the food chain. Any higher and it WILL land square in Obammy's lap, and noooo, that can't happen. That might muss that delightful crease in his pants.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at July 18, 2013 10:33 AM (4df7R)
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Guaranteed that she was taking her marching orders from Ploufe/Axelrod.  Same pattern as Watergate- all roads lead to the campaign.

Now there is a Pulitzer Prize in it for any bright young investigative reporters out there who can establish that link- any takers?

I didn't think so...

172 178 Rickb223,

I enjoy a good WB cartoon

173

>>>We're just a rabble now, with high blood pressure.

 

Everybody wants some dramatic Bunker Hill thinger with a side of Alamo. Which is dumbass and doomed to fail.

174 Well, I'm virtually certain it's a German Battle Rifle, and I'm pretty sure it's WWI vintage (family story is my Great-grandfather brought it home as a souvenir after the war).

175 I'm OUTRAGED by this! Now if you'll excuse me, Chuckie Schumer and I are going to go hit the links.

176 179 Nighthawk,

evidently if yesterday was any indication he/she is waiting to get into their Junior year in High School to swing that clue bat for the media...

177 Hell with tar and feathers. It's time for black pitch and stinging nettles. Then, the fire ants.

Posted by: Roy at July 18, 2013 10:52 AM (VndSC)

Naw, that requires too much energy.  Just drop them in the Sahara desert with one gallon of water in a leaking jug.

178 Now there is a Pulitzer Prize in it for any bright young investigative reporters out there who can establish that link- any takers?

I didn't think so...

Posted by: Nighthawk at July 18, 2013 10:55 AM (OtQXp)

 

I've already selected the secret source's code name awhile back.   I'd call him/or her  Teen Mom.  

179 Plus it's not really a revolution if half the country is on the other side.

180 Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at July 18, 2013 10:50 AM (V3kRK) Thanks for posting those. Freakin' outstanding.

181 Nothing will come of this kabuki. Ahem. I keep telling the Horde how to spell it and telling the Horde but does anyone listen, nooooo. Much like how my advice re: lube is never minded. By the insanity of cthulhu, I want cupcakes.

182 I want prison terms for IRS employees, a special prosecutor focusing on    the white house, and an end to income taxation, to be replaced by a consumption tax.  I cannot    tolerate the idea of a partisan democrat organization like the IRS having access to my private information.

183 I liked "Cold Civil War".

184 Lois Lerner is about to become the sole scapegoat for this fiasco, because they can't let it get any higher in the food chain. Any higher and it WILL land square in Obammy's lap, and noooo, that can't happen. That might muss that delightful crease in his pants. *** Worse. She will become the sole scapegoat and will be given immunity for her testimony.

185 182 Allen G,

Allen it is likely either 7.65mm or 7.92 MM....that said you'll want to pay the 40 bucks to have a gunsmith check the bore, and the headspacing of the action....

You can get it tuned up if need be, or get a book on tuning up the lock on the bolt.....

I'd pay the gunsmith and then ask him generally what he did.

186 Now there is a Pulitzer Prize in it for any bright young investigative reporters out there who can establish that link- any takers? I didn't think so... Posted by: Nighthawk at July 18, 2013 10:55 AM (OtQXp) I'll do it!!

187 Everybody wants some dramatic Bunker Hill thinger with a side of Alamo. Which is dumbass and doomed to fail. Can we at least get a grand jury?

188 181
>>>We're just a rabble now, with high blood pressure.

Everybody wants some dramatic Bunker Hill thinger with a side of Alamo. Which is dumbass and doomed to fail.

Posted by: Bigby's Invisible Hands at July 18, 2013 10:56 AM (3ZtZW)

Exactly. We need officeholders who will lead in the right direction, oh, and have some balls, or ovaries, to take the heat and risk being called names or worse.

189 Obama won! Get over it!

190 Well, I'm virtually certain it's a German Battle Rifle, and I'm pretty sure it's WWI vintage (family story is my Great-grandfather brought it home as a souvenir after the war). Sweet. Sounds like a Mauser Gewehr G98 8mm. 1898 - 1935.

191 RoyalOil: "Which life-long, conservative, Tea Party (anonymous) Republican are they going to blame this on?"

All of them. Duh.

192 Now there is a Pulitzer Prize in it for any bright young investigative reporters out there who can establish that link- any takers?

I didn't think so...

Posted by: Nighthawk at July 18, 2013 10:55 AM (OtQXp)

 

Pretty sad.  It's a dream setup for a true journalist that wants to take the mantle from me.   Plus it could be quite lucrative but party ideology trumps doing your job and making some coin.

193

I'm going swimming. Call me when there's some opposition to the criminals in Washington and various State Houses across the country. We're just a rabble now, with high blood pressure.

 

A rabble with jobs to keep, bills to pay and  families to  feed.  We live paycheck to paycheck and either can't afford to leave our jobs to protest or are too afraid of being fired if we do go to protest.  And we have no leader willing to have our back when the blowback from the enemy begins.

 

All it takes is one man.  Santelli goosed the TEA Party.  Imagine if Ted Cruz stood up and declared the current regime has forfeited the trust and allegiance of the American people and is hereby considered illegitimate, and called on the governors of Republican states to join him?  Would that get the ball rolling?

194 But it will never,ever attach to obama himself even though we all know it came from inside his scaministration...

195 " risk being called names or worse." Clearly you've never been invited to a DC cocktail party.

196

>>>Well, I'm virtually certain it's a German Battle Rifle, and I'm pretty sure it's WWI vintage (family story is my Great-grandfather brought it home as a souvenir after the war). 

.

.I  would have it checked.  My MIL was married to a WWII Vet who fought in Italy.  When he died she sent me a rifle he supposedly brought back from the War.  A Carcano in fairly decent shape.  Took it out of the box and saw the import mark right on the bottom of the barrel by the stock.  Never told her it wasn't a war trophy and I am not going to tell her.

197 Hey, Hull. So your pension was more important than using your 48 yrs experience to blow the whistle before the election, not after you were named. Hope you go to jail too, as you were part of the coverup.

198 THIS IS HUGE! Darrell Issa says he has info that links the IRS scandal all the way to the White House http://commoncts.blogspot.com/2013/07/rep-darrell-issa-has-information-that.htm

199 Speaking of taxes, all NC workers are about to get a 2% raise in the form of a 2% personal income tax cut. I believe the same for Corp.'s. Signing today I'll know for sure. First all red Legislature with a GOP Governor since Reconstruction and they got the job done.

200 Would that get the ball rolling?

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at July 18, 2013 11:00 AM (zF6Iw)

No.  It would get him imprisoned. 

201 196 Tubal,

so what you're saying is...


heh never mind.

I'll wait on Bunker Hill finding me.

Have fun GOP but do it on someone else's dime.

202

Yep, Cold Civil War is a good term. It does infer that, like the Cold War itself, there are agents, espionage, and proxy wars on both sides.

 

Because of that inference, the term is Nonsense since the GOP isn't doing any of that. Maybe Cold Coup works.

203 Now there is a Pulitzer Prize in it for any bright young investigative reporters out there who can establish that link- any takers?

I didn't think so...

Posted by: Nighthawk at July 18, 2013 10:55 AM (OtQXp)

There are literally hundreds of Pulitzer Prize worthy stories that go begging every day.  Not to re-fight the Palin or Natural Born Citizenship wars, but, no one wanted to touch those stories and anyone who did was quickly marginalized as kooks.  Incidentally, now that all this IRS stuff is coming out, it might explain why Palin decided not to run...no one's taxes are perfect and they could have found something to blackmail her into staying on the sidelines.

204 How many other erroneous liens has IRS placed on property people don't own?

Its the nature of software bugs that there would be multiple instances manifested.

What was the rollout date of the patched code?

205 Obama to speak in a few minutes.

206 #201  That would get Ted Cruz taken into custody.  It's one thing to suggest demonstrations and another to encourage rebellion.

207 Thanks for the info about Lerner.  I think she should be prosecuted and only given a pleas deal, immunity if she can provide hard evidence and damning testimony about anyone from the W.H. or O.F.A. that conspired to have Tea Party groups targeted.

208 >>> Christine O'Donnell's tax records were leaked the day she announced her candidacy.

Well it seems she served some productive purpose after all.

209 Everybody wants some dramatic Bunker Hill thinger with a side of Alamo. Which is dumbass and doomed to fail. No need. The federal government is headed toward collapse on its own. I specifically remember thinking, "Poor dumbass" when I heard about Wesley Snipes' going up the river. After these revelations, there's a fairly good moral and patriotic case to be made for jumping on that bandwagon the next time it rolls through town. Seeing as to how the federal government's primary function has morphed into taxing Peter to show the Red Chinese they can make good on what they're borrowing to pay Paul, any disruption is going to topple this already unsustainable arrangement.

210 Obama to speak read his teleprompter in a few minutes.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at July 18, 2013 11:02 AM (jjvz+)

 

Fixed for accuracy.

211 That would get Ted Cruz taken into custody. It's one thing to suggest demonstrations and another to encourage rebellion. Then seccession.

212 obama to speak? On what? Trayvon. Looks like he wants to upstage the House //

213 213 Obama to speak in a few minutes.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at July 18, 2013 11:02 AM (jjvz+)

 

He's just voicing MY words.  Get it right.

214 evidently if yesterday was any indication he/she is waiting to get into their Junior year in High School to swing that clue bat for the media...

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at July 18, 2013 10:56 AM (LRFds)
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Sven- how awesome would it be for some high school newspaper somewhere to win a Pulitzer Prize by Nixoning "Teh Won"?  Maybe make it a class project for civics class...

215 Senate Republicans ‏@Senate_GOPs 50s Obama to tout $98 rebate for American families. Will he discuss why families have seen premiums skyrocket by $2,500? #BrokenPromises

216 Forget rolling over in their graves, the Founding Fathers would be shooting by now.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) - Passing through Rage & Out the Other Side at July 18, 2013 10:16 AM (/PCJa)

I disagree.

By now, at this point, the Founders would be hunting us down for not having begun the shooting a long while ago.

217 obama to speak? On what? Trayvon. Looks like he wants to upstage the House // ** Obamacare

218 Posted by: Johnnyreb at July 18, 2013 11:00 AM (cDr8Y) Well, the family story makes sense. Gran-pappy didn't give any guns to my grandfather except this one. The rest of my collection (erm... before it was lost in that unfortunate boating accident) were all guns my Grampa bought, and they're all utility guns (a couple of .22LR bolt-actions, and a couple of shotguns), because my Grampa mostly eschewed violence (except when he was punching out a cow), and only used the guns for defense from animals (coyotes and such). So it doesn't make sense that Grampa would have bought the gun, and it doesn't make sense that Gran-pappy would have given him that gun if it was just another purchased gun. Not saying it couldn't happen, just that I think it's somewhat unlikely.

219 61 Remember, since Lois Lerner is a full progtard fascist -- in her mind she did nothing wrong. In her mind she's a hero. In her mind the Tea Party groups are nazi scum so it's actually heroic to secretly, illegally use the power of the IRS to screw them over.

She obeys a higher law.
==========

Yup.

Imagine if you really believed the leftists were actual--not political--actual traitors.
Or imagine if you really believed they were raping and molesting preschoolers.
Not think, not suspect, not wonder--actual out-and-out, 100% believe all that, possessed of an evil that deserves no quarter.

What would you do if the law was doing nothing?

What would you do if you had the power of government to do something?

Now, you're getting close to the mind of a leftist.

Dexter is like a leftist fantasy--he's not killing killers, those are stand-ins for conservatives.

220 OT - but had to look up that douche Jann Wenner since I had no idea what the hell he looked like. Now, wouldn't you love to work your ass off in a company and then receive this letter: ------------------ Date: Monday, May 20, 2013 2:52 PM Subject: Gus Wenner Dear all: David Kang and I are very pleased —and I am very proud —to announce that Gus Wenner, after leading the re-launch re-design effort for our website, will now continue by heading up the overall operations of RollingStone.com. Jann --------- 22 year old emo fuckhead son.

221 speak on obaminationcare? good luck with that one zippy...

222 What was the rollout date of the patched code?

Posted by: Purp at July 18, 2013 11:02 AM (ldSnY)

 

Sir, you don't have a need to know.  Please refrain from any further questioning or we might have to check out your compliance with your own taxes.

Have a nice day!

223 We're not rabble.

224

The only action that will justify or support insurrection  is if our election process is halted or found to have been unequivocally a fraud. 

 

 

225 And just like the FREAK NY WINTER HURRICANE A WEEK BEFORE THE ELECTION WHEN HE WAS 7 POINTS DOWN IN THE POLLS, now Obama gets an improving economy just as these scandals grow teeth.

As CK said, Obama, the luckiest politician in the history of Earth.

226 No. It would get him imprisoned.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, The Colossus of Independence at July 18, 2013 11:01 AM (fwARV)

If he said it as a senator in the senate chambers he is immune from prosecution.

227 "THIS IS HUGE! Darrell Issa says he has info that links the IRS scandal all the way to the White House" Oh, Issa's on it? I'm going to go ahead and get my hopes up!

228 12 Burn it down. Scatter the stones. Salt the earth where it stood. Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) - Passing through Rage & Out the Other Side at July 18, 2013 10:13 AM (/PCJa) top down

229 It would be awesome if he just comes out, talks about how disappointed he is in Lerner, and that he's glad it's now in the past, and then walks out. We'll know he's desperate. Instead it'll probably be some garbage about how awesome everyone is except the meanies on the Right. Or golf. Or rap. Or basketball.

230 If he said it as a senator in the senate chambers he is immune from prosecution.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 18, 2013 11:06 AM (gqgiP)

Oh.  Right.  The Administration's shown such strict adherence to the law thus far.

231 If Harding was terrible because of his underlings, why isn't Obama?

Posted by: David at July 18, 2013 10:32 AM (UtRhK)

 

Harding deserves some historical rehabilitation certainly, especially since he prevented what could've been a catastrophic economic crisis by the ingenious expedient of not inserting the federal government into the middle of it and allowing market mechanisms to restore the balance, but the men involved in the Teapot Dome scandal--his men--weren't called 'The Ohio Gang' for nothing. Harding knew (or had to know on some level) they were crooks but they were also his friends, his boys, and he was always loyal to his friends. 

 

That's my take on it, anyway. Harding's death was tragic (If we were playing Clue, I'd say it was Mrs. Harding in the yacht with the lobster) but saved him from the ignominy of public scandal while he was alive.

232 Bill ,the economy is improving? Where? France?

233 Time to push "democrat" into the same category as islam, and ban it from the west.

234 98 bucks doesn't cover his cigarette hike which targets Teh Poor.

235 top down

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at July 18, 2013 11:06 AM (XYSwB)

Is that the same as 'topless'?

I'm asking for a friend.

236 If the last two days are any indication: T -2 minutes to a new thread.

237 Jann Wenner went the ghey, Howie Carr was surmising the Joker picture was his homoerotic leanings.

238 alexthechick: "By the insanity of cthulhu, I want cupcakes."

You really don't want any potential cupcakes I might assemble. Trust me.

I shall grant you rose petals.

239 $98? That won't even buy earrings.

240

It's all smoke and mirrors and a whole lot of that new math!

241 Well, the family story makes sense. Gran-pappy didn't give any guns to my grandfather except this one. Let us know what the gunsmith says. I had a buddy who took a Mauser bolt and action, had it rebarrelled and restocked for 30-06 and made a damn fine shooter out of it.

242 What network has the hearing?

243 *offers up to AlextheChick some brownies instead*

Perhaps we need to summon the Mongolian death worms to ravage DC.  SyFy showing that movie now.

244 Well I fucked that quoting all up.

245 We, with the help of Jimmy Carter propose the following changes: "I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the demoracy for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

246

#201 That would get Ted Cruz taken into custody. It's one thing to suggest demonstrations and another to encourage rebellion.

 

Then we have no recourse. solution.  The current Washington occupants will engage in bukkake theater over this and nothing will happen.  We cannot organize enough people to protest / strike for as long as it would take to put the fear of God into these people, and attempting to work within an electoral proces will either be stamped out at the beginning, compromised with stolen elections, betrayed by turncoats promised sexual / monetary favors / blackmailed, and calls for resistance will be stamped out.

 

If we cannot declare rebellion over this administration, then what will it take?  This is an honest question.  What will it take?  Mass arrests?  Martial law?  Suspension of the 22nd Amendment?

247 > Well, I'm virtually certain it's a German Battle Rifle, and I'm pretty sure it's WWI vintage So either a Mauser or Mannlicher probably. Straight pull bolt or a Mauser style bolt?

248 The only action that will justify or support insurrection is if our election process is halted or found to have been unequivocally a fraud.

Posted by: polynikes at July 18, 2013 11:05 AM (m2CN7)

-

One of six State Secretaries could have that ball rolling before nightfall if     any of them had balls.

249 So either a Mauser or Mannlicher probably. Straight pull bolt or a Mauser style bolt? Honestly, I don't know what that question means. Mauser is what I'm thinking, though.

250 What will it take? Mass arrests? Martial law? Suspension of the 22nd Amendment?

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at July 18, 2013 11:09 AM (zF6Iw)

 

Yep. 

251 So how come The One's Columbia transcripts never got leaked? Why is it that the only leaking of stuff like tax returns, the messy but sealed court records of divorce proceedings, etc., all this stuff only happens to Republicans and Tea Party types?

252 Posted by: troyriser at July 18, 2013 11:07 AM (vtiE6) I totally agree that Harding isn't blameless. He should have known better, but I'm wondering about the people who demonstrate their cognitive dissonance by hating Harding and loving Obama. I can tell you that it's not modern progressives that are warming up to Harding.

253 I don't think we'll see a revolution until confiscation of guns begins. At that.point, yeah, I think militias will fight back.

254 And do we think this whole 'target the TEA Party' thing was solely Lerner's idea?


To be continued....

255 Ha, great sock fail

256 192 Lois Lerner is about to become the sole scapegoat for this fiasco, because they can't let it get any higher in the food chain. Any higher and it WILL land square in Obammy's lap, and noooo, that can't happen. That might muss that delightful crease in his pants.

***

Worse.

She will become the sole scapegoat and will be given immunity for her testimony.
_________________

Yesterday, the WaPoo reported that the IRS Chief Counsel, one of the two political appointee positions at the IRS, was directly involved in the selection and drafting the questions the conservative applicants for tax exempt status were asked.  Coincidently, the IRS Chief Counsel was also engaged in regular communication with the office of the WH Counsel.  Add these to the unprecedented increase in visits between senior IRS officials with senior WH officials, particularly those engaged on the political side of the WH, and we have a strong potential link to the WH and a political motivation.

Lerner wants immunity - but she's not going to get any immunity until she let's the Oversight committee know what she knows and they believe that granting immunity is worth getting what Lerner knows on the record.  She's already taken the 5th - and there is a reason why she took the 5th. Even if she refuses to talk and decides to take one for the Obama team - like in Watergate, there are other links and people involved in this abuse of power and coverup that will lead to the truth.

At this point Cummings is doing all he can to derail the investigation - and try to falsify the investigation as being purely motivated by ideology.  If he succeeds - then we lose.  All we need is one serious media element from the lamestream media decide to put the law ahead of ideology.

257 OT but is anyone else experiencing really slow reloads? It seems to have started at the same time as a checkerboard background appeared at the site.

258

@232

Or a suspension of Habeus Corpus or maybe an institution of martial law without necessity, or a good ole fashioned national bankruptcy, or a genocidal campaign against the citizenry, or...

259

Posted by: The littl shyning man at July 18, 2013 11:11 AM (MfKLq)

 

Cuz' we own da joint.

260 Actually Lemmenkainen, early Mauser rights had a straight bolt.  Only later was the down bend introduced.

http://www.gunsamerica.com/UserImages/4312/917986742/wm_1688865.jpg

261 All we need is one serious media element from the lamestream media decide to put the law ahead of ideology.

Posted by: Athos at July 18, 2013 11:12 AM (SNaPm)

So what you're saying is 'we're fucked.'

262 219 RickB223,

Every Texas need an Austin...

263 Posted by: Athos at July 18, 2013 11:12 AM (SNaPm) Oh, you're cute. Taking the law, and the moral right above ideology? So, cute...

264 233 And just like the FREAK NY WINTER HURRICANE A WEEK BEFORE THE ELECTION WHEN HE WAS 7 POINTS DOWN IN THE POLLS, now Obama gets an improving economy just as these scandals grow teeth.

As CK said, Obama, the luckiest politician in the history of Earth.

Posted by: Bill Mitchell at July 18, 2013 11:06 AM (vZ9o3)

Improving economy? It looks to me like we're stuck in a narrow band of plodding growth, perpetual underemployment, and increased part-time over full-time employment and job opportunities four years after the so-called "Great Recession" ended, with little ground made up to get us back to where we were in 2008. At this point, we're likely closer to the next cyclical recession than we are to financial meltdown in '08 and we've not experienced the huge economic growth and job creation that usually has occurred or is occurring at this point after a deep recession (I think we all know the primary reason why this is occurring). The situation is only exacerbated by the fact that implementation of ObamaCare looms on the horizon. Even the Obama administration understands how perilous the situation is as seen by them suspending parts of the implementation.

265 So either a Mauser or Mannlicher probably. Straight pull bolt or a Mauser style bolt? Honestly, I don't know what that question means. Straight pull = bolt sticking out at 3 o'clock after round is chambered. Mauser = typical rifle pointing down to 4:30 or 5 o'clock position.

266

>>but is anyone else experiencing really slow reloads?

 

Nah, nice and quick today.

267

Now Mr. Martel, a criminal investigator for the Treasury DepartmentÂ’s inspector general for tax administration, was telling her that an official in Delaware state government had improperly accessed her records on that very same day.

 

 

***

 

 

I want to know if that official in Delaware state government still has a job. And a pension. I want to fucking know and I want the Republican fucking Party to fucking want to know.   Because the answer needs to  be "No, that official no longer has a job or a pension."

 

If these fucks never pay a price for their violations of the public trust then guess what? We fucking deserve everything we get from them. 

 

 

As a matter of fucking fact I want the name and address of that  "official" published. Because the  public has a right to know. That's why.

268 222 NightHawk,

It would be awesome, but stick with the movie script in real life the Pulitzer committee makes the Nobel hacks look conservative.

269 eerr  my brain is confused if I meant to type  'rifles'  and  'rights' gets typed...

270 Wait, is there a realistic scenario where it lands in the WH? I'd really be surprised if Obama exposed himself like that to that risk.

271

>>>The only action that will justify or support insurrection is if our election process is halted or found to have been unequivocally a fraud.

 

What, here? Here in the Land of the Free and the Home of the Brave? The Bastion of Liberty, the Capital of the Free World?

 

I mean, yes. But nobody would show up.

272 Lindsey Graham ‏@GrahamBlog 48s About to question General Martin E. Dempsey, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff in Armed Services Comm. WATCH: http://1.usa.gov/12Owqvf

273 The only action that will justify or support insurrection is if our election process is halted or found to have been unequivocally a fraud.

Posted by: polynikes at July 18, 2013 11:05 AM (m2CN7)

Elections could be halted due to massive civil unrest and the media would excuse this as acceptable and far too many people would bu into this.

The elections almost certainly already contain significant elements of fraud (>100% turnout, 0 votes for Romney, trunks full of "misplaced" ballots, etc.) and the Repubs don't even want to investigate any of that, and apparently not enough people care to force the issue.

The IRS scandal is barely getting traction and everyone that actually works for a living knows how they have been screwed by arbitrary IRS rules.

We have a way to go before enough people wake up and are willing to support insurrection.

274 268 Anna Puma,

Right, but apart from angle of Bolt bedding you could theoretically have a Steyr 95 it's why like Tax advice I always warn to go to a pro...

275 > Honestly, I don't know what that question means. The Mauser bolt is pretty much points straight up once you work it. On the Model 98s I'm pretty sure the bolt is straight too. The Mannlicher bolt points off to the right side still when it's opened.

276 So if agitating got Zimmerman arrested and charged, maybe if we take to the streets we can Lerner at least to stop receiving a check

277 277 eerr my brain is confused if I meant to type 'rifles' and 'rights' gets typed...

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at July 18, 2013 11:14 AM (zXm5+)

 

Nah, you're good.  Rifles are rights.

278 or a genocidal campaign against the citizenry

Oh hai.

279 Perhaps we need to summon the Mongolian death worms to ravage DC. SyFy showing that movie now. Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at July 18, 2013 11:08 AM (zXm5+) Thank you, Anna. *noms* You know, I would summon the Mongolian death worms but I don't think the worms have done anything to deserve having to eat politicians.

280

You know what we need?

 

Hercules and a navigable river.

281 A bit of teh funny from Roger Kimball over at PJMedia:

"Eric Holder's amusingly named Department of Justice..."

282 I'd guess it's chambered in 8mm Mauser, especially if your brother didn't mention having to do a little shopping to find ammo for it.

283 @232
Or a suspension of Habeus Corpus or maybe an institution of martial law without necessity, or a good ole fashioned national bankruptcy, or a genocidal campaign against the citizenry, or...

Posted by: Jollyroger at July 18, 2013 11:12 AM (t06LC)

 

Yes I concede  to that but in my defense  its my belief that  suspension of our voting process would preceed those actions. 

284 257 Allen G,

the question is it is This rifle

http://tinyurl.com/mpsphj8

A KAR-98 Mauser

or this one?

http://tinyurl.com/me55ce8

a Steyr M95

the ammo types are different as are the action types

285

>>I want to know if that official in Delaware state government still has a job. And a pension. I want to fucking know and I want the Republican fucking Party to fucking want to know.

 

As mentioned in an earlier thread, it's possible that Castle, not a Democrat was behind this. Breath-holding not suggested.

286 1% GDP growth isn't what I would call a blistering pace.  The Dow is on deathwatch for its overdue correction.

287 Posted by: rickb223 at July 18, 2013 11:13 AM (O2PXL) Then I'm virtually certain it's a Mauser, but I'd have to pull it out and look at it.

288 So how come The One's Columbia transcripts never got leaked? Why is it
that the only leaking of stuff like tax returns, the messy but sealed
court records of divorce proceedings, etc., all this stuff only happens
to Republicans and Tea Party types?

Posted by: The littl shyning man at July 18, 2013 11:11 AM (MfKLq)

Because we didn't count on our own nation becoming our enemy. We didn't find it necessary to ensure our political operatives infiltrated every level of every organization throughout the nation.

The Left did. That is how this lopsided 'reality' has come to be.

Posted by: The Obsidian Owl at July 18, 2013 11:15 AM (tWmgi)

 

 

***

 

 

You've hit the nal on the head Obsidian Owl. The Left has infiltrated every layer of government adn they are enemy's of the   American people. 

289 To heck with cupcakes, I want a whole Tres Leches cake to myself.  Had one for my birthday, but, I only had the ladylike one slice.

290 Somebody send a sixteen year old to Momjeans' next press conference to grill him on this.

291 Improving economy? It looks to me like we're stuck in a narrow band of plodding growth, perpetual underemployment, and increased part-time over full-time employment and job opportunities four years after the so-called "Great Recession" ended, with little ground made up to get us back to where we were in 2008. At this point, we're likely closer to the next cyclical recession than we are to financial meltdown in '08 and we've not experienced the huge economic growth and job creation that usually has occurred or is occurring at this point after a deep recession (I think we all know the primary reason why this is occurring). The situation is only exacerbated by the fact that implementation of ObamaCare looms on the horizon. Even the Obama administration understands how perilous the situation is as seen by them suspending parts of the implementation. --- I look at this as a repeat of Japan's Lost Decade because Shithead saw how the Japanese went full retard on Keynesian economics and thought "they didn't spend enough!" instead of "it doesn't fucking work."

292 TFG could have videotaped himself signing the documents and then saying 'neener neener fuck you citizen!' and you know what would happen?

293

@284

 

Many military bolt actions have strait bolts. Strait pull is another thing entirely. I only know of the Swiss using those in any large number.

294 214 #201 That would get Ted Cruz taken into custody. It's one thing to suggest demonstrations and another to encourage rebellion.
============
Not if he did it from the floor of the Senate.

Do they really want to test the Privileges and Immunities Clause?

Why not? Arresting him on the floor of the Senate would put to the world the lie that the Constitution is the law any longer.

Free us from the compact of the Constitution and let us see where the chips fall . . . .

295 @232
Or a suspension of Habeus Corpus or maybe an institution of martial law without necessity, or a good ole fashioned national bankruptcy, or a genocidal campaign against the citizenry, or...

 

Posted by: Jollyroger at July 18, 2013 11:12 AM (t06LC)

 

So, IOW, as long as the DC statists keep the water from boiling, things will go on and they'll never pay for their actions.  We will simply exist, serve the government and die.

 

You know, I'm thinking that just posting a story on the Headlines thread and not coming back to the HQ for the rest of the day is beginning to make a lot of sense.  Depression's already screwed up my life enough.  Easier to just tell a story, make jokes about big ass fucking spiders and check out.

296

Elections could be halted due to massive civil unrest and the media would excuse this as acceptable and far too many people would bu into this.

 

Posted by: Hrothgar at July 18, 2013 11:15 AM (XdnQT)

 

 

This person would not buy into it.   I would  actively rebel.  If I'm beat down, so be it. 

297 Prepare for more and deeper scams by them if no consequences come about all this. Its like advertising to all IRS employees with axes to grind...grind away!

298 You know, I would summon the Mongolian death worms but I don't think the worms have done anything to deserve having to eat politicians.

Posted by: alexthechick - Commence drinking now. at July 18, 2013 11:17 AM (VtjlW)

True, one could always use Woo's pigs a la Swearingen....

299

@292

 

I wouldn't count the bankruptcy out. Smart money is on that eventuality. Seeing as we run the government like Enron....

300 Why not? Arresting him on the floor of the Senate would put to the world the lie that the Constitution is the law any longer.

Free us from the compact of the Constitution and let us see where the chips fall . . . .

Posted by: RoyalOil at July 18, 2013 11:20 AM (VjL9S)

Enough people would believe the media's explanation of why "this one time" constituted an exception.

We're barely paying lip service to the Constitution and no one gives a damn.  Do you really think arresting a Senator for calling it how it is would infuriate more than 10% of the population to the degree required?

301 Graham grilling Dempsey and Winnifeld re Syria

302 Since this is obviously generating a lot of comment, I'll see if I can take it to the gun-range I use (they have an on-site gunsmith) and see what he can tell me about it tomorrow or over the weekend. If I can get it done tomorrow, I'll even see if I can send the info in for the Gun Thread.

303 Then I'm virtually certain it's a Mauser, but I'd have to pull it out and look at it. The Jap Arisaka 99 is alst a straight pull bolt. No bend in the bolt arm.

304 Posted by: polynikes at July 18, 2013 11:20 AM (m2CN7)

There would be a lot of resistance, but there would be far more acceptance, as long as the EBT cards stayed full.

305 > Many military bolt actions have strait bolts. Strait pull is another thing entirely. I only know of the Swiss using those in any large number. The Mannlicher 1895 has a really short throw. Supposedly you are able to get like 30 rounds a minute out of the thing.

306 it's possible that Castle, not a Democrat was behind this.

Same shit, different toilet.

307 What will it take for reformative change? Economic collapse and enough subsequent pain in enough of the population to realize they have nothing left to lose.

That's it. It won't be guns or speech or housing of soldiers or even loss of vote. It'll be utter economic collapse. Then you'll see human nature at its finest.

And the collapse is coming. It's just a matter of when.

308 Enough people wouldn't even know that he should have protection on the floor. Do you think Jeanteal can name a single constitutional amendment?

309

Posted by: Hrothgar at July 18, 2013 11:22 AM (XdnQT)

 

So we're one good hacker away from riots I guess .

310 > The Jap Arisaka 99 is alst a straight pull bolt. No bend in the bolt arm. A guy who's land my family deer hunted on when I was a kid used an Arisaka for hunting. The thing had wing type deals on the sights you could fold down for helping to lead when you were shooting at airplanes. He took a deer every year with that rifle.

311

@313

 

I have one of those with a intact mum. Its a strait bolt, but not strait pull.

 

Google K-31 or K-11 for a strait pull bolt.

312 So, IOW, as long as the DC statists keep the water from boiling, things will go on and they'll never pay for their actions. We will simply exist, serve the government and die. As sure as the sun comes up in the east, expect overreach. They can't help it. They wouldn't be able to leave it alone.

313 Yo!!  I'm fuckin' parched damn it.

314 Do you think Jeanteal can name a single constitutional amendment?

I don't think she even knows we have a written Constitution.

315 And the collapse is coming. It's just a matter of when.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at July 18, 2013 11:22 AM (eHIJJ)

When they can't refill the EBT cards fast enough to keep up with inflation during an economic collapse, then things will get interesting!

316 I have nothing to add except that Lois Lerner is a lawyer. That is all.

317 I don't think she even knows we have a written Constitution. Given it was written in cursive...

318 Do you think Jeanteal can name a single constitutional amendment?


Dat's ol school.  Dis is new school.

319 Do you think Jeanteal can name a single constitutional amendment?

Posted by: Lauren at July 18, 2013 11:23 AM (ELdpj)

 

Hey, don't knock my 3.0.

320 That's it. It won't be guns or speech or housing of soldiers or even loss of vote. It'll be utter economic collapse. Then you'll see human nature at its finest. --- It will be interesting to see how long the Free Shit Army survives when their supply lines collapse.

321 Do you think Jeanteal can name a single constitutional amendment?

Posted by: Lauren at July 18, 2013 11:23 AM (ELdpj)

The Constitution is written in cursive!  So no!

322 AllenG or look at the top of the bolt.  On the wide band of metal just ahead of where you load the ammo there should be stamped info.  It should be stamped Mauser, serial #, year of manufacture.

323

That's it. It won't be guns or speech or housing of soldiers or even loss of vote. It'll be utter economic collapse. Then you'll see human nature at its finest.

 

 

***

 

 

And when it comes down to it I'll bet we out-animal all the lefty retards out there.  Hell, at least we'll prove that Darwin was right......survival of the  most heavily  armed. Or something like that.

324 Dat's ol school. Dis is new school.

Yup.

325 > It will be interesting to see how long the Free Shit Army survives when their supply lines collapse. Long pork, it's what's for dinner.

326 You know, she probably does have a 3.0 gpa. Grade inflation is a bitch these days. Gotta keep those graduation rates up. Who cares if none of those graduates can read?

327

@334

 

Good thought. Any markings?

328
It's no accident that the first candidate IRS victim named is Christine O'Donnell, the crazy witch. They're hoping that we'll just go "okay, they only targeted the insane weirdo Republicans, nothing to see here".

The real story will be that almost EVERY GOP candidate nationwide had their tax records released to the Donks.

329

All it takes is one man. Santelli goosed the TEA Party. Imagine if Ted Cruz stood up and declared the current regime has forfeited the trust and allegiance of the American people and is hereby considered illegitimate, and called on the governors of Republican states to join him? Would that get the ball rolling?

 

An IRS employee in the mold of Milton Waddams.  Said employee is tired of being asked to move offices, tired of having payroll problems, and most especially, wants his red swingline stapler back.  There's got to be  at least one  Milton in  every branch office.

330

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at July 18, 2013 11:22 AM (eHIJJ)

 

You  and  Hrothgar  may be right,  but anarchy  as a result of an economic collapse is not a rebellion  in the mode I think most are referring to.  At least me.   Economic collapse is more  of an  'everyman for themselves'  scenario.

 

I have prepared greatly for that.  

331

173 June bugs in July is strictly verboten.

 

Be sensitive. They could just be July bugs trapped in a June bug body.

 

332 Early Mauser and 1903 Springfields had the ladder sights to supposedly allow AA shooting.  The Arisakas had a similar set up and was issued with a bi-pod.

333 301

I look at this as a repeat of Japan's Lost Decade because Shithead saw how the Japanese went full retard on Keynesian economics and thought "they didn't spend enough!" instead of "it doesn't fucking work."

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at July 18, 2013 11:19 AM (a3iAA)

Yep, and Obama & Co. don't care because they are NEVER in support of cutting government spending or cutting taxes for individuals and businesses because their religion is that government is a panacea for all societal ills. Thus, we continue to run up huge annual deficits that squeeze out private investment and increase the likelihood of the collapse of our financial and economic system sometime in the next decade or two (maybe sooner). Obama and the Democrats will never get blamed for it though, as the problems will occur long after he leaves office. Worst of all, we'll have to be lectured by Obama for the rest of the time he is alive as he goes around and attempts to rewrite what actually happened during his eight years in office, especially the path towards financial and economic disaster that he took us.

334 Google K-31 or K-11 for a strait pull bolt. Yeah. Wow.

335 Dat's ol school. Dis is new school. Yup. Actually, it's not. The idiot Left always thinks they invented a brand-new idea, when all of their ideas are thousands of years old. Been there, done that, got the toga.

336 The real story will be that almost EVERY GOP candidate nationwide had their tax records released to the Donks.

Remember the Searchlight Strangler's iron-clad certainty that he could pull a rabbit out of Romney's tax-records hat if the polls had ever required it?

337 The real story will be that almost EVERY GOP candidate nationwide had their tax records released to the Donks.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at July 18, 2013 11:27 AM (TIIx5)

 

Concur.  Now we need to prove it.

338

>>>And the collapse is coming. It's just a matter of when.

 

It is, actually. And when there's no milk for babies, it starts in earnest. Unfortunately, all revolutions go Leftwards and there's only one historical example of a Restoration which, culturally and politically, went relatively  Left anyhow.

 

And then *that* Left splits into right and left's of it own, the old order completely forgotten.

339 And Roberts. We've got to figure out what the hell they have on Roberts.

340 Thanks for the advice on the rifle. I'm at work and it isn't, so I'll have to check it out later. I'll try to remember that "top of the bolt" thing.

341 Be sensitive. They could just be July bugs trapped in a June bug body.

Posted by: Anachronda at July 18, 2013 11:28 AM (IrbU4)

 

Obamacare will cover the operation. 

342 Not very concealed carry for women.  Then there is the comment of what sweat will do to a blued weapon...

http://tinyurl.com/kqj6hv9

343 AllenG here is a picture of such.
http://www.gunsamerica.com/UserImages/4312/917986742/wm_1688869.jpg

344 337 > It will be interesting to see how long the Free Shit Army survives when their supply lines collapse. Long pork, it's what's for dinner. --- I expect a revival in interest for Jonathan Swift's "A Modest Proposal" if long pork chop sandwiches become a staple of the FSA.

345 And Roberts. We've got to figure out what the hell they have on Roberts.

Given Roberts oversaw the FISA court which enabled NSA to go berzerk, it's quite likely he inadvertently enabled his own blackmail-ability.

346 Gov. Rick Perry HAS signed the Texas Abortion Bill.

347 " Unfortunately, all revolutions go Leftwards and there's only one historical example of a Restoration which, culturally and politically, went relatively Left anyhow. " Hey, that's not true. Sometimes you get us!

348 nood, btw.

349 God Bless Gov Perry!

350 Posted by: polynikes at July 18, 2013 11:28 AM (m2CN7)


I think rebellion, in the sense you are talking about, requires organizing principles to unite the rebellious.


Looking around our political landscape right now, I don't see anyone that looks capable of presenting such a set of principles and assembling the rebellious into a coherent force, and most certainly not any of the Rovian Republicans.

351 303 JollyRoger,

The Swiss K-31, Austrian Steyr-Mannlicher M-95, US M1895 Lee Navy Rifle, and the Canadian Ross Rifle are all Straight-pull bolt actions that with the exception of the K-31 all saw WW1 action

352 And when it comes down to it I'll bet we out-animal all the lefty retards out there. Hell, at least we'll prove that Darwin was right......survival of the most heavily armed. Or something like that.

 

Posted by: LGoPs at July 18, 2013 11:26 AM (lL1xY)

 

I can only hope one of the LSAs comes to my house, then, so I can take a nine-iron to their head and steal their gun, since I'm unarmed.

353 Actually, it's not. The idiot Left always thinks they invented a brand-new idea, when all of their ideas are thousands of years old.

It has nothing to do with the age of the idea.  "Old school" means "the way things used to be" and "new school" means "the way things are now".  Following a written Constitution = the way things used to be, not the way they are now.

354 361 Gov. Rick Perry HAS signed the Texas Abortion Bill.

Posted by: rickb223 at July 18, 2013 11:32 AM (O2PXL)

 

Oh the horror!!  You whack jobs are messing with a woman's ability to "family plan".

355

192 She will become the sole scapegoat and will be given immunity for her testimony, but won't be able to remember anything.

 

fixt

 

356

>>>It will be interesting to see how long the Free Shit Army survives when their supply lines collapse.

.

.Hell, it won't even take that.  Look what is still happening with some people who were evacuated from New Orleans.  Some 12,000 or so of them just got kicked out of their FEMA paid for hotel rooms this week.  Most of them got brand new shiny trailers.  It's all cool though, it has only been SEVEN friggin years......

357 Well, I have to chime in on the guy with the WWI rifle. Look for Germanic names, like Erfurt, Mauser, DWM (Deutsches Waffen und Maschinenfabriken). If the bolt is straight, more than likely a Gew98. Bent down, with a year marking on it indicative of WWI, a 98k (not to be confused with kar 98 from WWII). 98k has a stacking hook on the muzzle end for, stacking arms. Now, if the bolt pulls straight back, you have Mannlicher (Austrian). This narrows it down for a war trophy from the period but does not eliminate many. Not knowing how to do the fancy stuff on line, there is a website called Page 8d that give hundreds of cartridge dimensions, with diagrams. With a simple machinists scale, one can really narrow down things. Remember safety. If it's beyond a shadow of a doubt a Gew98 in 7.92 Mauser, get a second opinion.

358 Looking around our political landscape right now, I don't see anyone that looks capable of presenting such a set of principles and assembling the rebellious into a coherent force, and most certainly not any of the Rovian Republicans.

Posted by: Hrothgar at July 18, 2013 11:34 AM (XdnQT)

 

That's why I said it would take a suspension of our voting process.  I believe that would be the only trigger to reveal  leaders that could form a coherent force.  

359 If we cannot declare rebellion over this administration, then what will it take? This is an honest question. What will it take? Mass arrests? Martial law? Suspension of the 22nd Amendment? Capture the language. This administration is in rebellion against the United States. It sounds strange, but it is an accurate description of this situation. When the SHTF, this is how you capture people's desire to get back to how things used to be--especially since the idea of being in rebellion has been conditioned out of us by relentless mocking for at least my lifetime.

360 HeatherRadish, fashioning a shiv from a spork w/ the breakroom toaster --- Watching OZ has paid off in some ways... I've found out that one of the best shivs to make is a bedspring which has been partially uncoiled. It's called a Don Juan because it "penetrates deeply".

361 375

It's called a Don Juan because it "penetrates deeply".

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at July 18, 2013 11:37 AM (a3iAA)

Please tell me more about Mr. Juan and the deep penetration.

362 Watching OZ has paid off in some ways... I've found out that one of the best shivs to make is a bedspring which has been partially uncoiled.

It's called a Don Juan because it "penetrates deeply".

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at July 18, 2013 11:37 AM (a3iAA)

 

Oz should have had better on set technical advisors.   Prison mattresses don't have springs.  

363 polynikes: "Economic collapse is more of an 'everyman for themselves' scenario."

Yes, it's exactly that. IOW there will be no cinematic, populist, unifying narrative. No "beautiful" revolution based on ideals and freedoms lost. It will be the loss of the capacity to support oneself and one's family, the loss of hope of a better future, and the absence of government handout to ease diminishing lives.

And it won't be controlled. That's the ugliest eventuality IMO. Some sort of chaos of unpredictable duration.

364 269 All we need is one serious media element from the lamestream media decide to put the law ahead of ideology.

Posted by: Athos at July 18, 2013 11:12 AM (SNaPm)

So what you're saying is 'we're fucked.'

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, The Colossus of Independence at July 18, 2013 11:12 AM (fwARV)

__________

Pretty much.  The Ministry of Truth et al will not do this - and there are far too many low information voters who wallow in apathy and ignorance to overcome. 

de Tocqueville was right.

365

@366

 

Thanks Sven, I didn't know about the M-95 or the Lee, and IIRC the Ross is what gave strait pulls a bad rep.

 

I like the action, very smooth. I have a K-31 myself.

366 380 JollyRoger,

I gave the boss my K-31, my ex's daughter my Enfield....

The Straight Pulls take more machining, have tighter tolerances, and ideally better accuracy...

if *I* were picking it'd either be the K-31 or the No4mk1 LE

367 378 Anonymous Drivel,

and that is why I am now firmly in the 125MPH camp....

if we crash hard and fast I'll know how best to lay the ground for my son and grandkids to make their way...

my shame at losing the greatest nation on Earth will die with me, it is his freedom and gain I am worried over now.

368 Uhhmm... Any prayerful Christians out there? I'm an agnostic so MY prayers only go so far, I suppose. Somebody should pray for my Aunt Janet who had a stroke and a heart attack yesterday and has been an all around awful human-being for decades. See! I would make for a terrible Christian! She is nothing worse than a malicious and ignorant gossip when you get down to it but man has she rubbed me the wrong way for almost 20 yrs (never turned on me but you should hear her cackle at the misfortunes of other family members!). She is also the beloved wife of my adorable Uncle Chuck, Mother of my favorite cousin Ellen, and Grandma to the most impressive passle of kids it has been my privilege to know. Like I said, I'm agnostic so I'm not sure what weight God puts on my prayers (if any) but I can't get over my personal dislike of the woman and I fear that any prayers I could offer would be short shrift. She is a Catholic, so if any of you Practitioners want to light a candle or whatever voo-doo it is you do, go for it! Sorry. This is just ripping me apart. I don't know how to love her but I feel that I should, especially now. Please pray for her. Seeing as she has such a crappy niece and all...

369

>>And it won't be controlled. That's the ugliest eventuality IMO. Some sort of chaos of unpredictable duration.
.

.Just look at Germany after WWI and the resulting civil unrest, rampant hyper inflation, etc.  That could happen here. The US government will put the wage/price conmtrol laws back into affect in an attempt to stop it, but I don't think it will work this time.

370 And the collapse is coming. It's just a matter of when.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at July 18, 2013 11:22 AM (eHIJJ)

 

I give it two years. It'll happen in a year or so but the media will successfully hide it from the general public until it can't be hidden any longer. Think Bagdad Bob proclaiming Iraqi victory while American tanks roll along in the background behind him. 

 

If you think they can't hide it for a time, think again. Real unemployment has been at or around 14% for several years now. Food in grocery stores has been packaged in smaller and smaller portions for the same (or higher) price, and the same holds true for restaurant servings. Small things, little things that go unnoticed until they are noticed and then explained away. A week or so ago Paul Krugman slipped and publicly stated/wrote that we're in a 'low-level depression', but who the hell other than news junkies like me read Paul Krugman? So yeah, it's a slow train coming: not all at once, not dramatically, but there's nothing I can see that would stop it at this point, not with this President or this Congress.

371 384 Deety,

God hears everyone.  Agnsoticism is not Evangelical Atheism, and I'll pray with you for her.

372

Posted by: Deety at July 18, 2013 11:47 AM (sETtQ)

 

Sure, I'll pray for her. I had an evil, spiteful and manipulative grandmother, my mother's mother, a bitter and vindictive woman who passed away filled with malice towards just about everyone. If I can pray for my wicked grandmother, I can pray for your Aunt Janet.

 

And put your heart at rest. It isn't wrong to feel a certain amount of resentment toward bad people even if those bad people are your relatives. The important thing is that you don't keep that resentment, that you work at getting rid of it. That's what I try to do, anyway.

373 There are so damned many scandals/issues now that the house cannot possibly keep up.

They would do better by suspending all lawmaking activities and focusing full-time on the scandals we know about. 

Seriously.  What good will more laws do when the core of the federal government is acting lawlessly?

374 sven10077@378,

I'm in the Over The Cliff Gang in as much as I'm planning on taking down as many politicos as I can (politically - *Hi, NSA*) after having lied, gamed, and stabbed me in the back all these years. I'm not looking forward to it but, having observed the performance of the GOP, (except for a few Tea Party wins) the investment has not paid off. I've been "pragmatic" for almost two decades now. 2012 was it for me. The reelection of Obama and the general collusion of the GOP on major issues signals to me that we are unreformable. Too many have been coopted (just as Trent Lott said needed to be done) and the Rovian-Bush chess has killed the GOP.

It's really out of our hands anyway.

375

Posted by: Deety at July 18, 2013 11:47 AM (sETtQ)

 

Deety, God hears everyone's prayers, whether or not you believe in Him.  If your desire is pure and the granting of your prayer is what God knows will be best for your aunt, He will fulfill it.

376 388 Troyriser,

the bitterness is a toxin that in the end only poisons you....

I never offer that as pithy one shop "here fix it" advice but I've seen too many people pleading with tombstones to not learn that lesson.

I forgave my mother, and in so doing I freed my heart to love the woman she was which in the end was sincerely the only woman she could be.

You gave good advice just now, and I wanted you to know no matter what bitterness may ever be between us on a given matter I do respect your integrity.

377 You gave good advice just now, and I wanted you to know no matter what bitterness may ever be between us on a given matter I do respect your integrity.

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at July 18, 2013 11:57 AM (LRFds)

 

No bitterness here, Sven, and thanks.

378 390 Anonymous Drivel,

Well the one thing we can do without having to raise the black flag is vote against the sell outs and have the donks have this all on their heads....

and when generous I try to remember that this fight was likely lost when I was in high school and arguably when I was -4.

379 Deety, He always understands when your heart's in the right place. He'll listen, even when we won't. Prayers on the way, for her health to mend and her heart to soften.

380 Johnnyreb@385,

History repeats. Don't know which one but the Weimar model does seem the most likely. It's the most recent of catastrophic significance, and ours would be worse because a) our economy is bigger, b) our population is bigger, c) we're culturally pretty similar as the Socialist state intrudes, and d) we're much more connected to other economies.

381 troyriser@386,

Yeah, I have no idea the time frame. Two years seems too soon but the hell if I know. The ugly, as you say, is being hidden and will continue to be hidden. I guess my big takeaway is that there is no truly opposition party to yank the restraints. So what if the next team of pragmatists get in if even they can muster the support to get in past the apparent blockades the Progressives have erected? The country is in decline and there's no serious, acute and desperately necessary check on the evident and gross corruption at what seems to be all levels of governance.

So, sensing no reform on the horizon, it's only the speed of the collapse that's in question.

382 397 Anonymous Drivel,

It's even worse than that...the people who understand how mighty the machine can be for the people are dying...

in 15 years the majority will have no direct knowledge of the self-inflicted gunshot wound to the Golden Goose....

383 And put your heart at rest. It isn't wrong to feel a certain amount of resentment toward bad people even if those bad people are your relatives. Thank you, troyriser. I don't think that I resent her. I just did everything in my power to shield me and mine from her toxicity, once I twigged to it in my early 20's. She's only ever been more pathetic than anything else but I have a heart of stone(apparently) and cannot put her good qualities in front of her bad. "You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brotherÂ’s eye."

384 sven10077: "Well the one thing we can do without having to raise the black flag is vote against the sell outs and have the donks have this all on their heads...""

You can count on that. I'll support Ted Cruz and Sarah Palin. Beyond that, everything is iffy. There are a handful of others I'd trust (like Jim DeMint) but even some rookie Tea Partiers have turned their backs on us. I don't forget betrayal.

385 Deety,

Agnostic here, but my thoughts are with you and your family. I hope you find comfort.

386 Sorry for the OT and THANK YOU for the responses. Whenever I have a crisis of faith (or lack thereof) it is always best to put it out there to an audience of pants-less, Val-U-Rite swilling Morons for all of teh intartubez to see. (Yeah, I'm not gonna get booked for any Seminars anytime soon, am I?) Again. Thanks.

387  "But her own financial history is anything but. Her home was in foreclosure, the I.R.S. slapped a tax lien on it, and her former college sued her for unpaid school bills. Her “checkered” financial past, as Karl Rove describes it, is just the tip of the iceberg. " Can we all stop listening to Rove's advice now?

388 404 Can we all stop listening to Rove's advice now? - I hope so.

389 Sounds like a witch hunt to me.

390

I haven't watched this for a while and was shocked that the Democrats are in full CYA mode now.  They claim to know for certain that Obama knew nothing.

That tells us that Obama knew everything and they all are covering up.  Because if he really knew nothing they would not be so scared.

However, the Networks aren't going to cover it so it won't matter much in the end.

The media continues to try to get those race riots started to take everyone's mind off the terrific job Obama is doing.  You would think race riots might actually hurt Obama, but, someone, some where, decided it will help, and are pushing hard for them.  Weird.