November 25, 2013

New York Times: Redistribution of Wealth Is Central to Obamacare, And That Was "Hiding in Plain Sight" All Along
— Ace

Via Hot Air, the press continues discovering how informative reading the law and consulting with impartial experts can be.

Don’t Dare Call the Health Law ‘Redistribution'

...

“Redistribution is a loaded word that conjures up all sorts of unfairness in people’s minds,” said William M. Daley, who was Mr. Obama’s chief of staff at the time. Republicans wield it “as a hammer” against Democrats, he said, adding, “It’s a word that, in the political world, you just don’t use.”

These days the word is particularly toxic at the White House, where it has been hidden away to make the Affordable Care Act more palatable to the public and less a target for Republicans, who have long accused Democrats of seeking “socialized medicine.” But the redistribution of wealth has always been a central feature of the law and lies at the heart of the insurance market disruptions driving political attacks this fall.

“Americans want a fair and fixed insurance market,” said Jonathan Gruber, a health economist at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology who advised Mr. Obama’s team as it designed the law. “You cannot have that without some redistribution away from a small number of people.”

A small number of kulaks, he means.

Don't worry about them. They're Unpeople.

The Times turns to the process of passing Obamacare.

...

But throughout the process, they knew that some level of redistributing wealth — creating losers as well as winners — was inescapable.

They were nonetheless acutely aware of how explosive the word could be. When Mr. Obama ran for president in 2008, Republicans tried to wound him by accusing him of waging “class warfare” to achieve wealth redistribution. That fall, the Republican presidential nominee, Senator John McCain, derided Mr. Obama as the “redistributor in chief” as he seized on Mr. Obama’s comments to an Ohio man later known as “Joe the Plumber” that he wanted to “spread the wealth around.”

Who they "vetted" and awful lot. And then spent a lot of energy claiming that Obama didn't mean what he said when he said what he meant.

And now the press says, "Sorry, brah. M' bad."

Mr. Obama survived that episode and other instances when Republicans deployed old recordings of him using the word “redistribution” as evidence that he was a closet socialist. But Mr. Obama had learned a lesson.

The Times does not say this, but that lesson was "lie about everything."

The article discusses the acknowledged redistribution in Obamacare, such as targeting high income earners for additional taxes to finance the scheme. And then:

...

And yet for those nervous about potential changes, the president promised stability. “If you like your current insurance, you will keep your current insurance,” Mr. Obama said the day he signed the legislation in March 2010, a promise he made repeatedly as the Oct. 1 opening day of the online health insurance marketplaces approached.

Hiding in plain sight behind that pledge — visible to health policy experts but not the general public — was the redistribution required to extend health coverage to those who had been either locked out or priced out of the market.

Now some of that redistribution has come clearly into view.

The press, again, is attempting to conjure a Narrative in which they are not to be deemed either ignorant and incompetent, or else dishonest and complicit in foisting an enormously consequential lie upon the public.

They acknowledge that this was all known by "health policy experts," and yet nowhere here is a satisfactory answer to why the New York Times' own health policy experts did not disclose the redistribution at the heart of Obamacare. Their only quote from a media writer warning the public of this is from a National Review writer, writing back in May 2013.

Did they have no citations to the alleged "Paper of Record" explaining this? Apparently not.

Why not?

As with Obama himself, there are only two possible explanations:

1, the press is ignorant and incompetent and simply not up to the job of doing anything more difficult than straight stenography. And what does this say about their alleged status as the cognitive elite?

or,

2, the press is institutionally, conspiratorially dishonest, and chose not only to not report this for four long years, but even more, chose to actively join in a lie. Because they are fundamentally political actors, and they behave as if they are an extension of Obama's communications shop, pushing false Narratives and pushing back against honest, accurate criticism.

And what does that say about their status as the nation's fact-finders?

At some point, we will get them to confront this, and give us a straight answer as to why they lied to the country, more frequently than Obama himself , about Obama and his pet redistributive Trojan Horse.

Posted by: Ace at 09:08 AM | Comments (286)
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1

That's redistributionm from those who could not afford high-priced lobbyist or Obama fundraiser tickets.

 

 

As it should be.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Death Capades - ObamaCare on Ice! Sponsored by the Outrage Outlet at November 25, 2013 09:10 AM (hLRSq)

2

Whoa.

 

First.

 

 

And substantive.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Death Capades - ObamaCare on Ice! Sponsored by the Outrage Outlet at November 25, 2013 09:10 AM (hLRSq)

3 See my surprised face...

Posted by: hello, it's me also a creep-assed cracka.. at November 25, 2013 09:10 AM (9+ccr)

4 Hiding? Hiding?  I saw it you fucking pinheads!  I got banned from Daily Kooks twice for just pointing it out.. you libtards refused to see it!

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at November 25, 2013 09:10 AM (f9c2L)

5 What difference, at this point, does it make?

Posted by: shredded chi at November 25, 2013 09:12 AM (gF7gm)

6 Liars gonna lie.

Posted by: tcn at November 25, 2013 09:12 AM (fwcEs)

7 You can't HANDLE the TRUTH!

Posted by: NYT at November 25, 2013 09:12 AM (6TB1Z)

8 and give us a straight answer as to why they lied to the country, more frequently than Obama himself 24-7 effort is what it took, baby! That guy's good.

Posted by: The MFM at November 25, 2013 09:13 AM (FcR7P)

9 They acknowledge that this was all known by "health policy experts," and yet nowhere here is a satisfactory answer to why the New York Times' own health policy experts did not disclose the redistribution at the heart of Obamacare.


You missed our five-part exclusive, "Inside Barry's World: Exclusive Photos, Secret Moments & More!"

Posted by: The New York Times at November 25, 2013 09:14 AM (8ZskC)

10 Or 3., all of the above.

Posted by: t-bird at November 25, 2013 09:14 AM (FcR7P)

11 I can't even summon the outrage anymore. I'm all outraged out. Anyone know where the nearest Outrage Outlet is in the DC area?

Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/u][/b] at November 25, 2013 09:14 AM (F3G1y)

12 2. for  conspirators or fellow travelers .

Posted by: willow at November 25, 2013 09:15 AM (nqBYe)

13 “Americans want a fair and fixed insurance market,” said Jonathan Gruber, a health economist at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology who advised Mr. Obama’s team as it designed the law. “You cannot have that without some redistribution away from a small number of people.” ------------------- The MIT economist's name is perfect. "Theo, you asked for a totalitarian plot to seize wealth and power while destroying the world's best healthcare - I give you the A. C. A."

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at November 25, 2013 09:16 AM (CJjw5)

14 Sean, we can be outraged anywhere. The outrage in this is  a large portion of the country does not realized they are being Gamed.

Posted by: willow at November 25, 2013 09:16 AM (nqBYe)

15 Sooo.... the Press is now admitting they are Stupid? That they are EASY to fool???? Making it even MORE scary that Obama does not seem to know about a lot of issues, until he reads them in the Paper??? /facepalm

Posted by: TANSTAAFL at November 25, 2013 09:16 AM (lZBBB)

16 In today's NY Slimes edition, a column by Krugtron the Invincible claims that Covered California is just Teh Awesome! He also claims that KY and CT exchanges are pretty sweet too ...

California, Here We Come?

http://tinyurl.com/nxf4ao8

Posted by: kbdabear at November 25, 2013 09:16 AM (aTXUx)

17 STILL does not realize*

Posted by: willow at November 25, 2013 09:16 AM (nqBYe)

18
REPEAL

IMPEACH

Posted by: Parker at November 25, 2013 09:16 AM (YkW3i)

19 Redistribution? Not hardly.

Look where the 'subsidy' goes. It doesn't go to the person 'buying insurance'. All the person buying insurance gets is the insurance...

The insurance company gets the money.

Just like student loans for university, it's the university who gets the money, it's the student who has to pay it back.

Posted by: Lost in place at November 25, 2013 09:16 AM (2epBQ)

20

Posted by: Sean Bannion at November 25, 2013 01:14 PM (F3G1y)

 

 

Crystal City.  Very convenient to the Metro stop.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Death Capades - ObamaCare on Ice! Sponsored by the Outrage Outlet at November 25, 2013 09:16 AM (hLRSq)

21

   Ace, you and your cobloggers and a few other sites on the internets do a very good job of exposing the bias in the MSM. 

 

  Thank you for that....

 

 ....now, if only the republicans could realize that this whole new internet thingy could be useful in getting their message out and exposing the left for the authoritarians that they are...... sigh...

Posted by: Some Guy in Wisconsin at November 25, 2013 09:17 AM (wV2fE)

22 The NY Fucking T.

GO. TO. HELL.

Posted by: Tex Lovera at November 25, 2013 09:17 AM (wtvvX)

23 I know what I promised, but it  became  apparent  to me that some redistribution was required from me into  your mouth.

Posted by: Teh SCOAMF in Chief at November 25, 2013 09:17 AM (QW+AD)

24

Sean you need to head up to Frederick County and breathe in a little fresh air.  I am outraged out as well.  Meter is broken.  I am going to throw myself into work and hope that I can keep from getting crushed along with everyone else.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at November 25, 2013 09:17 AM (32Ze2)

25 Can we have V'Ger pattern all these journalists to do a code check?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at November 25, 2013 09:17 AM (GSSdy)

26 If only the media would have done their job and looked at all the Pros and CONS they are shilling for.

Posted by: willow at November 25, 2013 09:17 AM (nqBYe)

27 “Americans want a fair and fixed insurance market,” said Jonathan Gruber, a health economist at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology... Oh, it's fixed alright. It's certainly fixed. Just not in the way he means it.

Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/u][/b] at November 25, 2013 09:17 AM (F3G1y)

28 Biggest Tax Increase in over 50 years

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 25, 2013 09:18 AM (t3UFN)

29

Sean:

  Where do you work in DC?  I'm over in Crystal City.

Tony

Posted by: AnthonyB at November 25, 2013 09:18 AM (m7EhJ)

30 Gary Oldman pops in to tell us who, exactly, Obamacare fucks over:

http://tinyurl.com/kk5r3mj



Posted by: FYNQ, AKA Kulak #1 at November 25, 2013 09:18 AM (TM1p8)

31 Paper of record more like Granma.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at November 25, 2013 09:18 AM (mVyen)

32 Does this mean I am not getting a unicorn for Christmas?

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at November 25, 2013 09:18 AM (NDA7a)

33 Truck that's un Fair, we should all be crushed equally.

Posted by: willow at November 25, 2013 09:18 AM (nqBYe)

34 "From those according to their abilities, to those according to their needs" "Peace in our time." -The versatile Preezy

Posted by: shredded chi at November 25, 2013 09:18 AM (gF7gm)

35 I'll be out in Maryland for Thanksgiving weekend. I'll bring some of my outrage; I have ENORMOUS QUANTITIES I can share!

Posted by: Tex Lovera at November 25, 2013 09:18 AM (wtvvX)

36 Affirmative Action Jackson Play Set : Now with a Bigger Slice of the Pie!

Posted by: garrett at November 25, 2013 09:19 AM (P1TYg)

37 Biggest Tax Increase in over 50 years


Yes. Thank you.

Posted by: Chief Justice John Roberts, Still Growing In Office at November 25, 2013 09:20 AM (8ZskC)

38 VIA you will not receive your unicorn this year, but your quota of lies and poop has been increased by 150%.

Sean, you need to go back to Lima and put an M-1A2 through its paces on the course.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at November 25, 2013 09:20 AM (GSSdy)

39 Sigh. It's not like most of us here didn't see this coming during the rush to pass the bill.

It's just interesting to see how many ways they've baked it into the bill. For example, when using the Obamacare site, everyone who qualifies for Medicaid is automatically signed up regardless of their net worth. They have no choice.

So where's the redistribution scheme in this? Medicaid estate recovery programs for costs incurred after the Medicaid user turned 55.
http://aspe.hhs.gov/daltcp/reports/estaterec.htm

Posted by: Lizzy at November 25, 2013 09:20 AM (JRmiD)

40 wonder how many corporates are going to be bummed when Most americans will no longer be able to buy their products because we will all have a lot Less money to spend .

Posted by: willow at November 25, 2013 09:20 AM (nqBYe)

41 Posted by: kbdabear at November 25, 2013 01:16 PM (aTXUx) 39% of the Insurance given by Cali's new site???? Medicaid.... 30% get subsidies... and with the recent 'discovery' that many who we thought were getting subsidies, do not... note these must be a very narrow subgroup... Only 31% are paying full price... So.... Krug says that 69% getting free or subsidized Health insurance, is SUSTAINABLE?

Posted by: TANSTAAFL at November 25, 2013 09:20 AM (lZBBB)

42 Does this mean I am not getting a unicorn for Christmas?


Keep digging into the steaming pile of shit in your living room.  It's gotta be in there somewhere.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 25, 2013 09:20 AM (8ZskC)

43 what i want to know is who ended up with the  All pie in this deal.

Posted by: willow at November 25, 2013 09:21 AM (nqBYe)

44 Sean: Where do you work in DC? I'm over in Crystal City. Tony Posted by: AnthonyB at November 25, 2013 01:18 PM (m7EhJ) I too am in Crystal City. CP3. Same building as Ruth's Chris.

Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/u][/b] at November 25, 2013 09:21 AM (F3G1y)

45

Mr. Obama survived that episode and other instances when Republicans deployed old recordings of him using the word “redistribution” as evidence that he was a closet socialist. But Mr. Obama had learned a lesson.

 

 

And again the left falls back on WORDS.  

 

It's not the ACT and EFFECT of redistribution that's bad.  It's just the WORD that's bad.   That's why we can't use the WORD. 

 

Nothing in this NYT story has a thing to do with WHY redistribution is   a loaded word, and why   it's a bad thing.   It's just the NYT explaining to the proles, "You want to know why Obammy lied to you and we're telling you why.  He lied to you because you're too stupid to understand how awesome what he was talking about    could have been.     He had to lie to get it to pass.  The fact that it sucks now   in exactly the way you were    stupid enough to believe it would suck if he'd told you the truth in no way negates the    reason   that he had to lie.   If he hadn't lied   it would never have passed and you'd never have realized how wonderful    things might have been."

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/i][/u] at November 25, 2013 09:22 AM (4df7R)

46 Um , duh.

Posted by: G.Orwell at November 25, 2013 09:22 AM (AWmfW)

47 >>what i want to know is who ended up with the All pie in this deal.

Me.
You got a problem with that?
*takes a big gulp of expensive wine followed by a snickers*

Posted by: michelle ma belle at November 25, 2013 09:22 AM (JRmiD)

48 what i want to know is who ended up with the All pie in this deal. That's a euphemism, right?

Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/u][/b] at November 25, 2013 09:22 AM (F3G1y)

49 MWR imagine that artist Kluge painting the reporting pool of the NYT and with Pinch.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at November 25, 2013 09:23 AM (GSSdy)

50

Mikey NTH - Death Capades - ObamaCare on Ice! Sponsored by the Outrage Outlet at November 25, 2013 01:16 PM (hLRSq)

Crystal City. Very convenient to the Metro stop.

Second this - I fill up there every day!

Posted by: AnthonyB at November 25, 2013 09:23 AM (m7EhJ)

51 " VIA you will not receive your unicorn this year, but your quota of lies and poop has been increased by 150%."

At least I have that going for me Anna.

Now, is this free poop that I am getting more of?

Or,am I not only getting more poop, but the cost is gonna come out of my pocket?

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at November 25, 2013 09:23 AM (NDA7a)

52 Which wine pairing works best with a shit sandwich?

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 25, 2013 09:23 AM (8ZskC)

53 Obamacare pushes the redistribunist cutoff level from "the rich" down to just above the poverty line. 

Its a dagger aimed at the heart of the middle class because Democrats KNEW they could never sell up front "tax increases" of this magnitude, yet that's where all the tappable money is, so that's where they had to go.

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/s] at November 25, 2013 09:24 AM (Xlbr8)

54 43 what i want to know is who ended up with the All pie in this deal.

Posted by: willow at November 25, 2013 01:21 PM (nqBYe)


Socialism leads to less pie.

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at November 25, 2013 09:24 AM (AWmfW)

55 The only way we'll ever get the NYT to answer for their sins is if someone rich enough and pissed-off enough buys the thing, frog-marches the staff out the door, blows up the building, and builds a park there dedicated to the remembrance of press misdeeds and failures.

Posted by: JEM at November 25, 2013 09:24 AM (o+SC1)

56 I lie to you because you won't let me be clear.

Posted by: President Barack Obama at November 25, 2013 09:24 AM (7ObY1)

57
Comrade Chairman Obama: I'm not ideological at all. If you don't count that I'm a hardcore commie bastard who is out to destroy America.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 25, 2013 09:24 AM (1Jaio)

58 It's just the NYT explaining to the proles, "You want to know why Obammy lied to you and we're telling you why. He lied to you because you're too stupid to understand how awesome what he was talking about could have been. He had to lie to get it to pass. The fact that it sucks now in exactly the way you were stupid enough to believe it would suck if he'd told you the truth in no way negates the reason that he had to lie. If he hadn't lied it would never have passed and you'd never have realized how wonderful things might have been." -------------------------------- He's not really an ideological guy. He's just pragmatic. I know this because he said so.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at November 25, 2013 09:24 AM (CJjw5)

59 Did they have no citations to the alleged "Paper of Record" explaining this? Apparently not. Why not? Third answer, THEY ARE SOCIALIST ALSO.

Posted by: Nip Sip at November 25, 2013 09:24 AM (0FSuD)

60 Which wine pairing works best with a shit sandwich? Chateau Moochelle

Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/u][/b] at November 25, 2013 09:25 AM (F3G1y)

61

Remember me NY Times?   All The News That's Shit In Print. 

Posted by: Joe the Plumber at November 25, 2013 09:25 AM (m2CN7)

62 We're all health policy experts now!

Posted by: Dang at November 25, 2013 09:25 AM (YWXTN)

63 48 what i want to know is who ended up with the All pie in this deal. That's a euphemism, right? Posted by: Sean Bannion at November 25, 2013 01:22 PM (F3G1y) That would be? The Insurance corporations... But remember.... Corporatism is Fascism....

Posted by: il Duce at November 25, 2013 09:25 AM (lZBBB)

64
Americans want a fair and fixed insurance market,” said Jonathan Gruber

fixed?  in what way?

Dumbass says "what".

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 25, 2013 09:25 AM (iGPSR)

65 It's not Redistribution, it's Taking Shit from You and Giving It to Other People So They'll Think We're Generous

Posted by: NY Times at November 25, 2013 09:25 AM (aTXUx)

66 VIA due to software glitches in the accounting software, the answer to the question of who will pay is - both.

I sense I am missing a business opportunity.  Let in a strip mall just outside the DC Beltway a small retail space.  Sub-divide it into soundproof rooms.  And charge $15 for 15 minutes of screaming.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at November 25, 2013 09:25 AM (GSSdy)

67 what?

Posted by: Jonathan Gruber at November 25, 2013 09:25 AM (iGPSR)

68 "In Obamatime, truth is so precious that she should always be attended by a bodyguard of lies." -shit the media thinks

Posted by: RWC at November 25, 2013 09:26 AM (fWAjv)

69 Hey NY Times over here, over here !!! (jumping up and down, waving arms)

Posted by: New Democrat Party at November 25, 2013 09:26 AM (m2CN7)

70 “He who controls the past controls the future. He who controls the present controls the past.”

Posted by: G.Orwell at November 25, 2013 09:26 AM (AWmfW)

71 /flying visit/ MFM Delenda Est. Because policing their lies from the outside would be tyrannical, and policing them from within appears to be impossible. Conservatives are just not as interested in controlling everybody - it's sort of why the Gauls lost to the Romans, too. History is intriguing, but depressing.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of Somethingorother at November 25, 2013 09:26 AM (qyfb5)

72 Which wine pairing works best with a shit sandwich? Posted by: Cicero ---------------------- A Kenyan red.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at November 25, 2013 09:26 AM (aDwsi)

73 Whoo hoo....I'm getting a pony!!!!!

*Continues furiously digging through that steaming pile in the Living Room*

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at November 25, 2013 09:26 AM (NDA7a)

74 He's not really an ideological guy. He's just pragmatic. I know this because he said so.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at November 25, 2013 01:24 PM (CJjw5)

 

He's just totally practical in how he   views the approach to attaining his ideological goals.  Or something.

 

The guy lies so much that you KNOW he really believes the shit he says.     But as for his fawning sycophants - what's their excuse?

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/i][/u] at November 25, 2013 09:26 AM (4df7R)

75 Posted by: JEM at November 25, 2013 01:24 PM (o+SC1) Hmmm.... or buys it... shutters it... and turns the building into a CONSERVATIVE / LIBERTARIAN School of Journalism?

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 25, 2013 09:27 AM (lZBBB)

76 That fall, the Republican presidential nominee, Senator John McCain, derided Mr. Obama as the “redistributor in chief” as he seized on Mr. Obama’s comments to an Ohio man later known as “Joe the Plumber” that he wanted to “spread the wealth around.”





Yeah, the MFM had to dig through all of Joe's past and take him down for questioning their god. Yet they had absolutely no interest whatsoever in looking at Barry's spreading the wealth around quote.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 25, 2013 09:27 AM (1Jaio)

77

"Fair" and "Fixed" are subjective ideas, but, only the Progs know the exact formula that make it so. The utopian road to hell is lined with the bodies of those who point out that their formula never works. Welcome to shared misery and more third world experiences. Oh, and an extra ration of gruel for the white house press corp(se). 

Posted by: the amazing cult of kool aid at November 25, 2013 09:27 AM (eQZZW)

78 How were we supposed to know?  We didn't get a press release.

Posted by: your betters in the Media at November 25, 2013 09:27 AM (bAGA/)

79 I have no use for newspapers or their internet websites. They all suck. Would not pay a dime for them.

Posted by: François Villon at November 25, 2013 09:27 AM (kkbgQ)

80 I lie to you because you won't let me be clear.

Posted by: President Barack Obama

For example,  "My breath smells like Reggie's cock because it doesn't."

Posted by: Barry Obama at November 25, 2013 09:28 AM (YWXTN)

81 I figured this story was one for the cables.

Posted by: Charlie Gibson at November 25, 2013 09:28 AM (7ObY1)

82 This was always perfectly obvious and unpeople were shouting it from the roof tops.

Posted by: WalrusRex at November 25, 2013 09:28 AM (cLyUx)

83 what i see is insurance  raised rates the last couple of years Even Before insurance rates again were again gaining with subsidies paid by govt . with written promises from govt to insurance they can not end up losers, They will be paid by govt for losses.

? is this wrong?

Posted by: willow at November 25, 2013 09:28 AM (nqBYe)

84 *waves to Merovign*

Zonked out a long time and had plenty of dreams.  And back to the writing.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at November 25, 2013 09:28 AM (GSSdy)

85
Barry: If you like my lies, you can keep them

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 25, 2013 09:28 AM (1Jaio)

86 “You cannot have that without some redistribution away from a small number of people.” Way to be rigorous there Mr MIT guy. Small defined as what? 30% of the country, less, more? Are you one of the "experts" who will find the actual number to be "unexpected"?

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b] at November 25, 2013 09:29 AM (sByIH)

87 At some point, we will get them to confront this, and give us a straight answer as to why they lied to the country As they are put up against the wall? Please?

Posted by: rickb223 at November 25, 2013 09:29 AM (cB3Ay)

88 'Think of the press as a great keyboard on which the government can play.'

Posted by: Joseph Goebbels at November 25, 2013 09:29 AM (AWmfW)

89 What would happen, hypothetically speaking, if someone were to spike the DC water supply with Olanzapine (the drug)?

The sudden outbreak of sanity would be very interesting to watch.

Posted by: grognard at November 25, 2013 09:29 AM (/29Nl)

90

I guess  when Obama said   " I do think at a certain point you've made enough money...."    he was talking about  the sliding scale in order to get Obamacare subsidies. 

Posted by: polynikes at November 25, 2013 09:30 AM (m2CN7)

91 Unpeople...unpeople who need unpeople, are the luckiest unpeople I know....

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at November 25, 2013 09:30 AM (7ObY1)

92 I see the press as the enemy because they are the enemy.

Posted by: François Villon at November 25, 2013 09:30 AM (kkbgQ)

93 ...frog-marches the staff out the door, blows up the building, and builds a park there dedicated to the remembrance of press misdeeds and failures. Don't blow it up, make it a museum of TAAS or whatever.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b] at November 25, 2013 09:30 AM (sByIH)

94 After reading Kevin Williamson today, I think nothing can be done.

Posted by: the littl shyning man at November 25, 2013 09:30 AM (lwsM1)

95 TheQuietMan, that was actually my turning point where i realized how dangerous the left could be to all of us.

nary a peep from their cohorts in this behavior. and of course it has escalated.

Posted by: willow at November 25, 2013 09:30 AM (nqBYe)

96 Posted by: bonhomme at November 25, 2013 01:29 PM (sByIH) Remember when Mitt Romney was raked over the coals for his 47% Line (which, was the TRUTH).... Obamacare will put that number above 50% IMO.

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 25, 2013 09:30 AM (lZBBB)

97 They acknowledge that this was all known by "health policy experts," and yet nowhere here is a satisfactory answer to why the New York Times' own health policy experts did not disclose the redistribution at the heart of Obamacare. This is Megan McArdle's dodge by the way. Oh health policy experts knew this was all wink wink nudge nudge of course rates have to skyrocket and that was so obvious to them that they didn't think they had to tell anyone. What she cannot answer, possibly because she is so shockingly naive and intellectually incurious that I ponder how she puts on her shoes every day, is why those who did attempt to explain this to the lumpenprole were deemed lying liary racist liars. Funny, that.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at November 25, 2013 09:30 AM (VtjlW)

98 Nothing in this NYT story has a thing to do with WHY redistribution is a loaded word, and why it's a bad thing. Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at November 25, 2013 01:22 PM (4df7R) The opinions of UnPeople (especially Kulaks) are to be countered, not discussed. If you control the medium, you can just ignore the details. If you're in an open forum, you have to shout and scream. Or bite someone's finger off.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of Somethingorother at November 25, 2013 09:30 AM (qyfb5)

99 what i want to know is who ended up with the All pie in this deal. Posted by: willow Congress.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 25, 2013 09:30 AM (cB3Ay)

100

we need GIFs with every post

 

this one needs the "Trojan Man" from the Trojan commercials a few years ago

Posted by: thunderb at November 25, 2013 09:31 AM (zOTsN)

101 I'm going with number 2, although number 1 is damn tempting.

Posted by: joncelli at November 25, 2013 09:31 AM (RD7QR)

102 The guy lies so much that you KNOW he really believes the shit he says. But as for his fawning sycophants - what's their excuse? Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at November 25, 2013 01:26 PM (4df7R) -------------------------- They hate us. They hate us and cannot abide the thought that we be allowed the individual freedom to live our lives in the manner we deem fit. So they seek to control our standard of living until we are as miserable as they are. It's as if my brother-in-law were a distributed hive mind. Of course, he's left me alone ever since I threatened to toss his broken, lifeless body into a ravine about nine years ago, so the analogy doesn't quite hold up. If only dealing with liberals en masse were as simple.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at November 25, 2013 09:31 AM (CJjw5)

103
Put stuff about Walter Duranty here.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 25, 2013 09:31 AM (iGPSR)

104  Sean you need to head up to Frederick County and breathe in a little fresh air. I am outraged out as well. Meter is broken. I am going to throw myself into work and hope that I can keep from getting crushed along with everyone else.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at November 25, 2013 01:17 PM (32Ze2)

 

 

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You  can run, but you can't hide.

Posted by: US Gubmint at November 25, 2013 09:31 AM (66ULQ)

105 And the attack on Joe the Plumber worked. How many average people dared criticize Obama after that? They saw what happens. You insult the King and the media will destroy your life. You want to criticize Obama publicly -- better make sure don't have any skeletons in your closet. The media that can't find anything about Obama's life before age 35, will vet every fact about your life within 48 hours and you'll get threats to your family from the KosKids within 12 hours.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 25, 2013 09:31 AM (ZPrif)

106 52 Which wine pairing works best with a shit sandwich? Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 25, 2013 01:23 PM (8ZskC) Champipple.

Posted by: zombie Redd Foxx at November 25, 2013 09:32 AM (9hVHZ)

107 It, quite frankly, was impossible for the NY Slime and it's editorial writers not to know this was redistribution. Krugman, Enron adviser, and the rest of the socialist editorial writers are dumb, but not stupid.

Posted by: Nip Sip at November 25, 2013 09:32 AM (0FSuD)

108

Posted by: Sean Bannion at November 25, 2013 01:21 PM (F3G1y)

I too am in Crystal City.
CP3. Sam building as Ruth's Chris.

You guys ever do a Crystal City Moeon meet-up?

t

Posted by: AnthonyB at November 25, 2013 09:32 AM (m7EhJ)

109 79 I have no use for newspapers or their internet websites. They all suck. Would not pay a dime for them.

Posted by: François Villon at November 25, 2013 01:27 PM (kkbgQ)


That's why I laugh at pay walls. Why would I pay for propaganda that's there to manipulate me?

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at November 25, 2013 09:32 AM (AWmfW)

110 "Remember Marge, it takes two to lie: One to lie and one to listen."

So, that's the Times now? It's our fault we were lied to 'cause the Truth was hiding in plain sight but we choose the lie.

Even though we were called liars and racists for saying the lie was a lie . . . .

Posted by: RoyalOil at November 25, 2013 09:32 AM (VjL9S)

111

I believe the vast swaths of LIV will become enraged at their money being taken from them and given to the non-producers

 

I am sensing an "American Winter"

 

its like the Arab Spring, without violence

 

and culminates in an electoral Tsunami

Posted by: thunderb at November 25, 2013 09:33 AM (zOTsN)

112 i dunno rick, they don't seem to have much power over the pie.
If they did certainly they would have shown the pie to be an inferior pie that would poison the populace?

i can only remember their screaming about that stupido meanie cruz and lee for showing the pie had bad ingredients.

Posted by: willow at November 25, 2013 09:33 AM (nqBYe)

113 SHOCKA!! You give millions of people free insurance while raising the costs for millions more. And that's redistribution? No fucking shit.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 25, 2013 09:33 AM (0LHZx)

114 Redistribution , just in time for the holidays .

Posted by: awkward davies at November 25, 2013 09:33 AM (WK8VM)

115 It's as if my brother-in-law were a distributed hive mind. Of course, he's left me alone ever since I threatened to toss his broken, lifeless body into a ravine about nine years ago, so the analogy doesn't quite hold up. If only dealing with liberals en masse were as simple. Solution asked & answered.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 25, 2013 09:33 AM (cB3Ay)

116 Did they include an apology to Sarah PALIN above the fold or below the fold?

Posted by: Jean at November 25, 2013 09:33 AM (CMlD4)

117 So they seek to control our standard of living until we are as miserable as they are. FIFY

Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/u][/b] at November 25, 2013 09:33 AM (F3G1y)

118

Ok, that didn't work.

You guys ever do a Crystal City Moron meet-up?

Posted by: AnthonyB at November 25, 2013 09:34 AM (m7EhJ)

119 103 Put stuff about Walter Duranty here. Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 25, 2013 01:31 PM (iGPSR) You mean our great Pulitzer prize winner, who's award still hangs in our lobby, under the red carpet of blood from the millions Stalin murdered? That Duranty?

Posted by: NY Times Editors at November 25, 2013 09:34 AM (0FSuD)

120 *waves to Merovign* Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at November 25, 2013 01:28 PM (GSSdy) *waves back*

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of Somethingorother at November 25, 2013 09:34 AM (qyfb5)

121 This is Megan McArdle's dodge by the way. Oh health policy experts knew this was all wink wink nudge nudge of course rates have to skyrocket and that was so obvious to them that they didn't think they had to tell anyone. What she cannot answer, possibly because she is so shockingly naive and intellectually incurious that I ponder how she puts on her shoes every day, is why those who did attempt to explain this to the lumpenprole were deemed lying liary racist liars. Funny, that. Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at November 25, 2013 01:30 PM (VtjlW) ------------------------- That bears repeating, especially since her reputation seems to get "rehabilitated" so frequently on the right side of the blogosphere. She's the skunk inside the tent. But she's pissing on the inside of the tent, not pissing out. Fuck her.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at November 25, 2013 09:34 AM (CJjw5)

122 This is Megan McArdle's dodge by the way. Oh health policy experts knew this was all wink wink nudge nudge of course rates have to skyrocket and that was so obvious to them that they didn't think they had to tell anyone.

What she cannot answer, possibly because she is so shockingly naive and intellectually incurious that I ponder how she puts on her shoes every day, is why those who did attempt to explain this to the lumpenprole were deemed lying liary racist liars. Funny, that.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at November 25, 2013 01:30 PM (VtjlW)


It's all an insane cult. Deprogramming needed.

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at November 25, 2013 09:34 AM (AWmfW)

123 At some point, we will get them to confront this, and give us a straight answer as to why they lied to the country, more frequently than Obama himself , about Obama and his pet redistributive Trojan Horse.
=======================

I admire your optimism, but I suspect that you might be wrong. Unless, of course, the burning times start and members of the MSM are used as firewood to warm our houses.

Posted by: physics geek at November 25, 2013 09:34 AM (MT22W)

124 The lesson the leftist media claims to have learned in the last decade is ... that they have been to even-handed in dealing with racist, right-wing lies. They believe a "slavish devotion" to impartiality gives far too much air time to the racist, xenophobic, anti-science, anti-woman right-wing nutjobs.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 25, 2013 09:34 AM (ZPrif)

125 Britain to Israel: Don't undermine Iran nuclear deal UK's Hague warns Israel of acting out, says 'would discourage anybody from taking any steps to undermine agreement'. Hezbollah: 'Deal is major victory for Iran, defeat for enemies' Hum? Iran get's billions and Israel is told to shut up and go to the corner?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 25, 2013 09:34 AM (t3UFN)

126 You guys ever do a Crystal City Moeon meet-up?t We did a NoVA meet up last June. Might do one this June also.

Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/u][/b] at November 25, 2013 09:35 AM (F3G1y)

127 i dunno rick, they don't seem to have much power over the pie. If they did certainly they would have shown the pie to be an inferior pie that would poison the populace? Congress got their gold plated Escalade policy for free. The rest of us? Trabants.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 25, 2013 09:35 AM (cB3Ay)

128 Math? Never heard of it. Why do you think we lose so much money each year? Volume baby!

Posted by: NY Times Editors at November 25, 2013 09:35 AM (0FSuD)

129 108 Posted by: Sean Bannion at November 25, 2013 01:21 PM (F3G1y)I too am in Crystal City. CP3. Sam building as Ruth's Chris.You guys ever do a Crystal City Moeon meet-up?t Posted by: AnthonyB at November 25, 2013 01:32 PM (m7EhJ) I suggest everyone take the gerbil tubes to hamburger hamlet for hash browns with sour cream in the middle.

Posted by: Jean at November 25, 2013 09:35 AM (CMlD4)

130 One of Megan McArdle's best friends is Matt Yglesias.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 25, 2013 09:36 AM (ZPrif)

131 Mr. Obama survived that episode and other instances when Republicans deployed old recordings of him using the word “redistribution” as evidence that he was a closet socialist. But Mr. Obama had learned a lesson.






The only reason he survived was because his Praetorian Guard MFM destroyed everyone who tried to expose Barry for what he is. They lied for him and tried to ruin the life of anyone who stood up against him. Barry didn't learn a lesson except that he has the MFM in his back pocket

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 25, 2013 09:36 AM (1Jaio)

132 You want to criticize Obama publicly -- better make sure don't have any skeletons in your closet. Doesn't matter if you have skeletons or not. Romney's "skeletons" include maybe hazing someone in HS, putting a dog on a roof, and laying off a guy whose wife had insurance by other means. SCARY! Joe the Plumber had a lien that got taken care of, and worked fully legally under the Plumber's license of his boss. ZOMG!

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b] at November 25, 2013 09:36 AM (sByIH)

133 The whole "hive mind" analogy doesn't fly with me - actual hive minds are productive in their collectivism because there's no such thing as an individual.  Something that is impossible with the human race, but that doesn't stop the idiots from building an entire belief structure around the idea.

At least bees produce honey and pollenated crops.  The left produces fail, death, and bullshit.

Posted by: grognard at November 25, 2013 09:37 AM (/29Nl)

134 I admire your optimism, but I suspect that you might be wrong. Unless, of course, the burning times start and members of the MSM are used as firewood to warm our houses. Posted by: physics geek at November 25, 2013 01:34 PM (MT22W) I look forward to the day when those who lit the fire are consumed by it. One party control of the media is, and has always been, a grave national security threat.

Posted by: D-Lamp at November 25, 2013 09:37 AM (bb5+k)

135 good point

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 25, 2013 09:37 AM (ZPrif)

136 I think a lot of journolists truly didn't think this was redistribution. 1. They are not very smart 2. They are not very good at math 3. While they are for the most part hard core socialists, they don't view themselves as such. They think they are moderate. So the idea that they would support socialist policies doesn't compute. They stupport socialism, they just don't know it.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 25, 2013 09:37 AM (0LHZx)

137 UK's Foreign Secretary tells British parliament that Britain would be "on guard" for any country trying to disrupt agreement; Not so much on guard for Iranian cheating?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 25, 2013 09:37 AM (t3UFN)

138 All this hiding from the smartest President EVAR and him just not knowing anything, but be damned if that complete imbecile Bush didn't know exactly what was going on in a prison on the other side of the planet.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at November 25, 2013 09:37 AM (S+fbC)

139

"At some point, we will get them to confront this, and give us a straight answer as to why they lied to the country, more frequently than Obama himself , about Obama and his pet redistributive Trojan Horse."

HaHaHaHaHaHaHaHa, look, Mommy, Ace thinks the NYT is gonna be honest with dem-selves, or somethin'! He so crazy!

Posted by: MtTB at November 25, 2013 09:37 AM (8E9QA)

140 bonhomme at November 25, 2013 01:36 PM (sByIH)

which is hysterical considering most of the lefts politicians  have histories that should make the average american vomit.

Posted by: willow at November 25, 2013 09:38 AM (nqBYe)

141 So the media's new meme is, "fool me once, shame on me, fool me twice, let's pimp for  Hillary!"

Posted by: Havedash at November 25, 2013 09:38 AM (BMEZ0)

142 *should*

Posted by: willow at November 25, 2013 09:38 AM (nqBYe)

143 "You cannot have that without some redistribution away from a small number of people."

Except that states can go after the estate of medicaid recipients. These are not the much hated 1%'ers, these are going to be the people who were put on Medicaid against their will who have assets when they die. They've set up the system to redirect inheritance to the state. The inheritance grab has been in place since 1993, but it's Obamacare's scheme of getting many more people on  Medicaid that will kick it into high gear. Wonder how long it will take those silly 20-somethings  who bought in to Obamacare that they're not only being asked to subsidize the costs of others to get healthcare right now, but they're going to get nailed on the back end when they have to sell nanna's or mom and dad's home to pay back the state for Medicaid expenses.

Posted by: Lizzy at November 25, 2013 09:38 AM (JRmiD)

144 Stage 5: The Search for the Guilty Can't wait for the "Rewards got the Uninvolved" stage...

Posted by: Auntie M at November 25, 2013 09:38 AM (AIC5Z)

145 At least bees produce honey and pollenated crops. The left produces fail, death, and bullshit. Cut. Jib. Newsletter?

Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/u][/b] at November 25, 2013 09:38 AM (F3G1y)

146

At some point, we will get them to confront this, and give us a straight answer as to why they lied to the country, more frequently than Obama himself , about Obama and his pet redistributive Trojan Horse.

 

I've got to hand it to you, Ace, you know how to bring teh funny.  It'd be charmingly naive if it weren't so patently false.

Posted by: Face-Sized Spider at November 25, 2013 09:38 AM (zF6Iw)

147 In decreasing level of presige:
Attorneys
Congresscitters
Used car salesmen
Newsmen.

Posted by: flounder at November 25, 2013 09:38 AM (Kkt/i)

148 What she cannot answer, possibly because she is so shockingly naive and intellectually incurious that I ponder how she puts on her shoes every day, is why those who did attempt to explain this to the lumpenprole were deemed lying liary racist liars. Funny, that.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at November 25, 2013 01:30 PM (VtjlW)

 

 

*draws little hearts around AtC's name in Trapper Keeper*

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/i][/u] at November 25, 2013 09:38 AM (4df7R)

149 The big lie wasn't that they were redistributing from the rich to the poor but that they were redistributing from the marginally less poor to the socialist ruling class.

Posted by: not the mama at November 25, 2013 09:39 AM (5dxeo)

150 That bears repeating, especially since her reputation seems to get "rehabilitated" so frequently on the right side of the blogosphere. She's the skunk inside the tent. But she's pissing on the inside of the tent, not pissing out. Fuck her. Posted by: Empire of Jeff at November 25, 2013 01:34 PM (CJjw5) Yeah, I'd rather not, thanks. Maybe it's just me, but her wide eyed oh my God, you guys, serious you guys, oh my GOD, did you know that reality doesn't match models and that, oh man, you won't believe this, but sometimes the Right has it right, I know RIGHT? schtick makes me want to punch her teeth down her throat.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at November 25, 2013 09:39 AM (VtjlW)

151 I don't see how we ever get them to admit to anything. They hide behind the First Amendment on everything.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at November 25, 2013 09:39 AM (oFCZn)

152 So all you Middle Class folks rocking along with a house, a couple of cars, AND health insurance---you may now pick two out of those three luxuries. But, not to worry, soon, we will pare that down to just one. Just be grateful, we let you keep one out of three instead of none out of three.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes C'est Magnifique at November 25, 2013 09:40 AM (czMsg)

153 we should have those concerned about the state of main stream media start  shoving microphones in the faces of media journalists daily asking WHY they don't actually investigate .



Posted by: willow at November 25, 2013 09:40 AM (nqBYe)

154 We were racists for opposing The Atrocity. I will smack every lib in the face with this while watching them open their cancellation letters.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here)-also drooling imbecile incapable of doing algebra or something at November 25, 2013 09:40 AM (659DL)

155 130 One of Megan McArdle's best friends is Matt Yglesias.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 25, 2013 01:36 PM (ZPrif)


It's all like scientology , a cult.

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at November 25, 2013 09:41 AM (AWmfW)

156 which is hysterical considering most of the lefts politicians have histories that should make the average american vomit. Checks self. Ralphs. Yep, I'm average.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 25, 2013 09:41 AM (cB3Ay)

157 What is Obastard's presidential library going to contain? There won't be a single document that predates 2008. We still haven't heard from a single person that knew this dick in high school or college. This year, his bestest Choom Gang buddy, Keith Kakugawa, got arrested for rape. Yawn. Not interested, look at these racist Republicans over here!

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at November 25, 2013 09:41 AM (CJjw5)

158 They stupport socialism, they just don't know it. Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 25, 2013 01:37 PM (0LHZx) They support government imposed "fairness" which the silly nitwits think is not "socialism."

Posted by: D-Lamp at November 25, 2013 09:42 AM (bb5+k)

159 Maybe it's just me, but her wide eyed oh my God, you guys, serious you guys, oh my GOD, did you know that reality doesn't match models and that, oh man, you won't believe this, but sometimes the Right has it right, I know RIGHT? schtick makes me want to punch her teeth down her throat. ::: swoon ::: How may I service serve you today, my Queen?

Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/s][/u][/b] at November 25, 2013 09:42 AM (F3G1y)

160 Small defined as what?

In reality, when you look at the various cutoff points for subsidy/freebies and such, they're pretty much right at Romney's ill-fated comment about the 47/53 line.

This was the only way Obama could soak the non-rich, but not on some sort of dole, and still get elected.  The "rich" probably had O-care compliant Cadillac plans anyway.  The vast middle and lower-middle class was where all the easily extractable money was.






Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/s] at November 25, 2013 09:43 AM (Xlbr8)

161 What is Obastard's presidential library going to contain?


The library will consist of exactly one iPod Touch 4 GB 2nd generation loaded with all of his 2008 and 2012 speeches.



That's it.



Posted by: EC at November 25, 2013 09:43 AM (GQ8sn)

162 "At some point, we will get them to confront this, and give us a straight answer as to why they lied to the country, more frequently than Obama himself , about Obama and his pet redistributive Trojan Horse." Don't bet on it. Remember how we all thought Old Media was dead? The problem here is like the problem with the electorate - as long as people keep believing Old Media's bullshit in significant numbers (and boy do they), Old Media will still be influential. The only thing that will get through to the media is the collapse of their business model. Even then they probably won't understand why.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at November 25, 2013 09:43 AM (S+fbC)

163 While they are for the most part hard core socialists, they don't view themselves as such. They think they are moderate. Yep. Because they're not out there saying the magic words, which seem to be "We have to socialize the means of production." they're not technically and accurately Socialist. At least that seems to be the argument anytime someone calls Obammy Socialist on a website lefties frequent.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b] at November 25, 2013 09:44 AM (sByIH)

164

I believe the vast swaths of LIV will become enraged at their money being taken from them and given to the non-producers

 

Only if they realize that's what's happening.

 

Right now they're angry because they believe they're being charged more for plans that offer them a bunch of benefits they don't want or need.  That's why ace's ongoing point is so important -- the addition of things like pregnancy coverage and "free" birth control and all that other crap in NO WAY accounts for teh huge spike in premiums and deductibles.  Not even close.  But the imposition of these laughable minimum standards has given the gubmint a handy scapegoat.  

 

"Sure you're being charged more, but look at all the great stuff you're getting   now that you didn't get before!"

 

And even if you DID have all that stuff before, "Now    it's even BETTER!"

 

Why?  How?

 

"It just is!"

 

We have to divorce the idea of "paying more for health insurance" from the gubmint's   red herring about  "more inclusive coverage" versus "substandard insurance."  

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/i][/u] at November 25, 2013 09:44 AM (4df7R)

165 121 Empire of Jeff at November 25, 2013 01:34 PM (CJjw5)

If Megan McYodel is the answer it was a stupid question.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 25, 2013 09:44 AM (9jfyN)

166 147 In decreasing level of prestige:
Attorneys
Syphilitic crack whores
Congresscitters
Used car salesmen
Newsmen.

Posted by: flounder at November 25, 2013 01:38 PM (Kkt/i)


I made a slight update.

Posted by: joncelli at November 25, 2013 09:44 AM (RD7QR)

167 My friends, you have nothing to fear with Barack Obama in the White House.

Posted by: John McCain at November 25, 2013 09:44 AM (Pr6hk)

168

What is Obastard's presidential library going to contain?

 

 

After the Barakhenatening, you'll barely be able to find any evidence of his reign.

Posted by: garrett at November 25, 2013 09:44 AM (P1TYg)

169 >>What is Obastard's presidential library going to contain?

Lots and lots of pictures and video and first hand accounts of events from various Obama butt-kissing politicians, activists, celebrities, and journalists. It will be more church than library.

Whatever documentation there is will be locked down tighter than JFK's stuff.

Posted by: Lizzy at November 25, 2013 09:44 AM (JRmiD)

170 What is Obastard's presidential library going to contain? The library will consist of exactly one iPod Touch 4 GB 2nd generation loaded with all of his 2008 and 2012 speeches. That's it. Posted by: EC at November 25, 2013 01:43 PM (GQ8sn) Golf balls, a lot of golf balls. And of course a ball washer, you know what's his name

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 25, 2013 09:44 AM (t3UFN)

171 The fact that the leftists knew their evasions on redistribution would have a shelf life relative to sticker shock and other healthcare insurance market dislocations, explains why the payment format for the Obamacide website wasn't the only thing that was backloaded. Redistribution is only a tool of the Cloward/Piven Gameplan. The collapse of the healthcare market is the canary in the coal mine.

Posted by: ontherocks at November 25, 2013 09:45 AM (WAtZR)

172 Ace, Candy Crowley is upset. You'd best watch your step.

Posted by: Chaos the other dark meat at November 25, 2013 09:45 AM (oDCMR)

173 Those who say the insurers got more pie would be wrong.  That might have been the case if they could get the young and healthy to sign up, but they simply are not signing up.  The insurance companies are going to take a bath..

This is one very equal opportunity clusterfuck.  Just about everyone gets screwed with Obamacare!

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at November 25, 2013 09:45 AM (f9c2L)

174 153 we should have those concerned about the state of main stream media start shoving microphones in the faces of media journalists daily asking WHY they don't actually investigate . Posted by: willow at November 25, 2013 01:40 PM (nqBYe) That is actually an excellent idea. Get a film crew to follow these "journalists" around and ask them "Why did you let Obama get away with his lies? " "Was it because he is a Democrat, like you? " O'keefe could do this.

Posted by: D-Lamp at November 25, 2013 09:46 AM (bb5+k)

175
No.  Do not use "Redistribution".

I prefer the verbiage "Spread the wealth around".

Posted by: Teleprompter Jesus at November 25, 2013 09:47 AM (nELVU)

176 Openly lied to US. Had his lie regarding PP CACA exposed 6 weeks ago. And according to the RCP Average of polling data he still has a 40.8% approval rating. My heart breaks for the future of my children.

Posted by: tbodie at November 25, 2013 09:48 AM (VV7s1)

177

To quote myself from the previous thread:

 

86 When Obama said things wouldn't happen in your mouth, he was obviously lying, because you otherwise wouldn't allow those things to happen in your mouth even though they are good for you. And the Middle Class.

Posted by: Conservative Crank at November 25, 2013 09:48 AM (sQ0LB)

178 174 D-Lamp at November 25, 2013 01:46 PM (bb5+k)


Hey you, YOU Katie Couric...is it just socialist bastardy that gets a pass for (-d) or does it include rape, sexual harassment, and theft like a kennedy?

Look at me when I yell at you...

over and over and over

Posted by: sven10077 at November 25, 2013 09:48 AM (9jfyN)

179 If you like the warm, salty deposit in your mouth you can keep the warm, salty deposit in your mouth.

Posted by: Doug at November 25, 2013 09:48 AM (1IgrC)

180 Perhaps someone should share this tidbit with Orca Winfried

http://tinyurl.com/o8qgmyj


Now, back to our original shit sandwich discussion thread.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at November 25, 2013 09:49 AM (NDA7a)

181 None of this sounds very Kosher.

Posted by: NY Times Editors at November 25, 2013 09:49 AM (0FSuD)

182 There won't be a single document that predates 2008. We still haven't heard from a single person that knew this dick in high school or college. This year, his bestest Choom Gang buddy, Keith Kakugawa, got arrested for rape. Yawn. Not interested, look at these racist Republicans over here! Posted by: Empire of Jeff at November 25, 2013 01:41 PM (CJjw5) Not true. We have heard from people who knew him in High School, we have heard from people who knew him at occidental, and we have heard from people who knew him at Columbia and Harvard. Not that there was a big splash at the time, but people have come forward about their experiences with him.

Posted by: D-Lamp at November 25, 2013 09:49 AM (bb5+k)

183 To every socialist, socialism is a beautiful idea until they actually have to do it too.

I had a friend just outside of Ithaca, NY (Berkeley East) get into a co-op arrangement with neighbors for sharing lawn tools and a riding mower.  He was all excited about how much money it would save and waste it would prevent.

Within a week - a fucking week - the mower was broken and no one wanted to take responsibility to fix it.




Posted by: grognard at November 25, 2013 09:49 AM (/29Nl)

184

Those who say the insurers got more pie would be wrong. That might have been the case if they could get the young and healthy to sign up, but they simply are not signing up. The insurance companies are going to take a bath..

 

 

Remember, they were given permission to ratchet up the premiums for  policies on individuals from the start.

They got to keep the cream from those rate increases (designed to take the bite out of the drastic  Obamacare increases, imho) for the last three and a half years.

 

This was part of  the deal they struck with Obama in the run up to passage. 

Posted by: garrett at November 25, 2013 09:49 AM (P1TYg)

185

The only thing that will get through to the media is the collapse of their business model. Even then they probably won't understand why.

 

I keep saying that an active pushback will also get through to the media.  Any candidate from the right needs to constantly bash the media whenever they try to ask a question - "Fuck you.  You're a propagandist.  Go back to sucking Hillary's clit."  Keep pounding the idea over and over to the LIVs that the media are liars and they cannot be trusted.  Have a war room that does opposition research on the MFM scum.  Katie Couric decides to ask a "gotcha" question?  Pull up the picture of her blasted out of her gourd, twerking on the dance floor.  "You act like that, and I'm supposed to consider you a serious journalist, sugar tits?  Go make me a sammich."  Watch Katie sputter in fury.  Rinse and repeat.

 

I cannot repeat this often enough - the media are the enemy.  Treat them like the enemy or get the fuck out of the race!

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 25, 2013 09:49 AM (zF6Iw)

186 The library will consist of exactly one iPod Touch 4 GB 2nd generation loaded with all of his 2008 and 2012 speeches.


And a sign that says, "Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair." Then an arrow will point at the iPod.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 25, 2013 09:50 AM (8ZskC)

187 O'keefe could do this Or stossel. And it IS a really good idea. Easy, too. Just keep hammering away at it.

Posted by: shredded chi at November 25, 2013 09:50 AM (gF7gm)

188 ::: swoon ::: How may I service serve you today, my Queen? Posted by: Sean Bannion at November 25, 2013 01:42 PM (F3G1y) *rests head on shoulder* Make me not suck. I'm having a, shall we say, alternately competent few weeks at work. You know how things start to go poorly and then you try harder and things go worse so you try harder still and then everything goes to hell? Yeah. That. The difference between me and, to pick something wildly at random, every single person who worked on 404Care is that I blame me and not anyone else. /attentionwhoredom

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at November 25, 2013 09:50 AM (VtjlW)

189

One of Megan McArdle's best friends is Matt Yglesias.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 25, 2013 01:36 PM (ZPrif)

 

I  greatly dislike people who pretend they are above it all and are judging and criticizing  the two main sides from afar.    Plus I hate the fact that she was  once a vegan and would have continued to embrace that holier than thou life style if it didn't make her sick.   And no offense ace, who appears to be an exception,   but  libertarians from NYC   are  a breed of animal I rarely find likeable  as they are  likely to have  the aforementioned characteristic. 

Posted by: polynikes at November 25, 2013 09:50 AM (m2CN7)

190 Here's the difference between this "report" and the kind of "reporting" you saw in the Times when GWB was president. The purpose of articles about GWB and his policies was to stir up outrage, but the purpose of this article is to recalibrate normal and put outrage to rest.

Posted by: Caliban at November 25, 2013 09:50 AM (2ArJQ)

191 Within a week - a fucking week - the mower was broken and no one wanted to take responsibility to fix it.


It's like they gloss over the chapter about the collective farms in the history books.

Posted by: EC at November 25, 2013 09:50 AM (GQ8sn)

192 If we want our socialist mayor and his lesbian wife, we can keep them!

Posted by: NY Times Editors at November 25, 2013 09:51 AM (0FSuD)

193 It will be more church than library.

Posted by: Lizzy at November 25, 2013 01:44 PM (JRmiD)

 

 

 

 

And in the midst of the holy  temple will stand the Obamanation of Desolation.  And he will say, "who is like unto the One?".  And the media will toss their microphones before him...

Posted by: Havedash at November 25, 2013 09:51 AM (BMEZ0)

194 Not true. We have heard from people who knew him in High School, we have heard from people who knew him at occidental, and we have heard from people who knew him at Columbia and Harvard. Not that there was a big splash at the time, but people have come forward about their experiences with him. Posted by: D-Lamp at November 25, 2013 01:49 PM (bb5+k) Do you have any names? I've not heard any anecdotes that weren't in his bullshit autobiography.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at November 25, 2013 09:52 AM (CJjw5)

195 we should have those concerned about the state of main stream media start shoving microphones in the faces of media journalists daily asking WHY they don't actually investigate .



Posted by: willow at November 25, 2013 01:40 PM (nqBYe)

 

 

---------------------------------------------

 

 

If it's an MFM  mouth-shitter that gets a question like this, it won't matter.  It'll be edited out as soon as they return to the news room.

 

It's  how they roll.  No one will critisize the annointed ones unless it's another annointed one.  And then it's never followed up.

Posted by: US Gubmint at November 25, 2013 09:52 AM (66ULQ)

196 The Kulaks rock.  A bit too grungey for me, but great stage presence.

Posted by: SFGoth at November 25, 2013 09:52 AM (6h2wp)

197 "Yep. Because they're not out there saying the magic words, which seem to be "We have to socialize the means of production." they're not technically and accurately Socialist. At least that seems to be the argument anytime someone calls Obammy Socialist on a website lefties frequent." That always kills me. Leftists, who fancy themselves the only ones capable of nuanced understanding or thinking are completely unable to grasp real-world applications of socialism outside of their simple textbook understanding of the concept. Of course, the more likely explanation is that they're lying about their understanding. This of course absolves them on the 'understanding nuance' part, but is much more damning.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at November 25, 2013 09:52 AM (S+fbC)

198 And a sign that says, "Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair." Then an arrow will point at the iPod.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 25, 2013 01:50 PM (8ZskC)

 

 

Or, as someone posted ina  comment on the previous thread:

 

"Look on my works, ye mighty, and

 

404."

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/i][/u] at November 25, 2013 09:52 AM (4df7R)

199 79 I have no use for newspapers or their internet websites. They all suck. Would not pay a dime for them. Posted by: François Villon at November 25, 2013 01:27 PM (kkbgQ) You will when we make you.

Posted by: Media Protection Act at November 25, 2013 09:52 AM (ZNQKl)

200 The relative brush fire of outrage from the individual policies being cancelled now will be as nothing compared to next year when the employer mandate kicks in. And that is not to negate the wrongs inflicted by what has led to the individual cancellations. But the firestorm next year will be something. Obama and the idiot media think they can paper this over. Idiot Harry Reid thinks that invoking the nuclear option and packing the DC Circuit Court will knock the fight out of people. Nothing like what is going to happen next year has ever happened before in American history. It will be ...... epic.

Posted by: Severe Conservative riding Orca at November 25, 2013 09:52 AM (v6hyJ)

201 Shit sock off

Posted by: Soona at November 25, 2013 09:52 AM (66ULQ)

202 172 Ace, Candy Crowley is upset. You'd best watch your step. Posted by: Chaos the other dark meat at November 25, 2013 01:45 PM (oDCMR) Candy Crowley needs a good hard punch right in the mouth, followed by the words "That's for lying to Help get Obama re-elected." I think a lot of "news" people need punches in the mouth for their role in this disaster.

Posted by: D-Lamp at November 25, 2013 09:53 AM (bb5+k)

203 Within a week - a fucking week - the mower was broken and no one wanted to take responsibility to fix it.


It's like they gloss over the chapter about the collective farms in the history books.

Posted by: EC at November 25, 2013 01:50 PM (GQ8sn)

 

 

It's like they gloss over every fucking group project anyone has ever had to work on in grade school up through college.   One person does all the work while the other 1-6 people do jack shit.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/i][/u] at November 25, 2013 09:53 AM (4df7R)

204 Actually not O/T http://amzn.to/HQh3A3 *paws at screen*

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at November 25, 2013 09:54 AM (VtjlW)

205 One person does all the work while the other 1-6 people do jack shit.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at November 25, 2013 01:53 PM (4df7R)

 

What union are you referring to?

Posted by: polynikes at November 25, 2013 09:55 AM (m2CN7)

206 183 To every socialist, socialism is a beautiful idea until they actually have to do it too. I had a friend just outside of Ithaca, NY (Berkeley East) get into a co-op arrangement with neighbors for sharing lawn tools and a riding mower. He was all excited about how much money it would save and waste it would prevent. Within a week - a fucking week - the mower was broken and no one wanted to take responsibility to fix it. Posted by: grognard at November 25, 2013 01:49 PM (/29Nl) Hahaha! Excellent story.

Posted by: François Villon at November 25, 2013 09:55 AM (kkbgQ)

207 It's like they gloss over the chapter about the collective farms in the history books.

Posted by: EC at November 25, 2013 01:50 PM (GQ8sn)


I must have missed that too.  Was it sandwiched between Smallpox Blankets, Slavery, and Wounded Knee?

Posted by: grognard at November 25, 2013 09:55 AM (/29Nl)

208 Hey you, YOU Katie Couric...is it just socialist bastardy that gets a pass for (-d) or does it include rape, sexual harassment, and theft like a kennedy? Look at me when I yell at you... over and over and over Posted by: sven10077 at November 25, 2013 01:48 PM (9jfyN) I think it is an excellent tactic to put them on the painful side of the microphone for a change. They need to get a taste of the same treatment that they have given others.

Posted by: D-Lamp at November 25, 2013 09:55 AM (bb5+k)

209 What union are you referring to?

Posted by: polynikes at November 25, 2013 01:55 PM (m2CN7)

 

HAH!

 

That would require union workers doing any work, period.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/i][/u] at November 25, 2013 09:55 AM (4df7R)

210 Why didn't you come to me like a fucking man and tell me that there was redistribution in Obamacare?

Posted by: The New York Times at November 25, 2013 09:56 AM (8ZskC)

211 Within a week - a fucking week - the mower was broken and no one wanted to take responsibility to fix it.

I've seen people borrow golf carts, bring them back smashed up with vegetation sticking out of them and deny they ran it into a fucking tree.

The first thing you learn about shared tools is nobody will ever say they were the one to break it.

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/s] at November 25, 2013 09:56 AM (Xlbr8)

212 Within a week - a fucking week - the mower was broken and no one wanted to take responsibility to fix it. I think this could be a good idea if you had an understanding up front. IE the group pays for the tools as well as wear and tear. Any damage beyond wear and tear is the responsibility of the person who checked it out last. Lending libraries have been around a long time, so this should be workable.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b] at November 25, 2013 09:56 AM (sByIH)

213 [Actually not O/T


http://amzn.to/HQh3A3


*paws at screen*

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at November 25, 2013 01:54 PM (VtjlW) [/i]

 

 

*coo*

 

I would love to set that up to fling Corn Pops at Obammy's head during the SotU.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/i][/u] at November 25, 2013 09:57 AM (4df7R)

214 I don't see a story here that my paper would want to publish.

Posted by: Sarah Kliff at November 25, 2013 09:57 AM (XPZpj)

215 "Any candidate from the right needs to constantly bash the media whenever they try to ask a question..." Agreed, but what do you think the likelihood is of that happening anytime soon? No, I think the media business model collapse will happen before that.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at November 25, 2013 09:57 AM (S+fbC)

216 It's like they gloss over every fucking group project anyone has ever had to work on in grade school up through college. One person does all the work while the other 1-6 people do jack shit.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at November 25, 2013 01:53 PM (4df7R)



Speaking as the "one person,"  it pays off for the grade, but the rest either 1) hate you for it or 2) always want to be on your team.

Parasites and sociopaths.

Posted by: grognard at November 25, 2013 09:58 AM (/29Nl)

217 I cannot repeat this often enough - the media are the enemy. Treat them like the enemy or get the fuck out of the race! Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 25, 2013 01:49 PM (zF6Iw) I agree. They need to have their lives ruined in the same manner that their propaganda and deceit has ruined the lives of others. The media are liars, and they ARE the primary enemy we have been facing all this time.

Posted by: D-Lamp at November 25, 2013 09:58 AM (bb5+k)

218 On Rush Expansion in medicaid enrollment means state governments will start seizing homes and property of surviving spouses when deceased spouse received medicaid. They will go after estates. Commie

Posted by: thunderb at November 25, 2013 09:58 AM (5lyF4)

219 One person does all the work while the other 1-6 people do jack shit. Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at November 25, 2013 01:53 PM (4df7R) What union are you referring to? Posted by: polynikes Dealers choice.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 25, 2013 09:58 AM (cB3Ay)

220 Expansion in medicaid enrollment means state governments will start seizing homes and property of surviving spouses when deceased spouse received medicaid.


What's this now?


Posted by: EC at November 25, 2013 09:59 AM (GQ8sn)

221 It's like they gloss over every fucking group project anyone has ever had to work on in grade school up through college. One person does all the work while the other 1-6 people do jack shit. Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at November 25, 2013 01:53 PM (4df7R) All of this. All of it. It's like they've never met actual humans before. Hell, it's like they've never watched their peer group attempting to jockey for position to get Precious Darling into the proper pre-school.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at November 25, 2013 10:00 AM (VtjlW)

222 Or stossel. And it IS a really good idea. Easy, too. Just keep hammering away at it. Posted by: shredded chi at November 25, 2013 01:50 PM (gF7gm) Stossel couldn't get away with it. He'd get fired. It has to be someone untouchable by the media power structure. But yeah, it really is a great idea. Put Reporters on the defensive for their lying coverage which enabled this current asshole.

Posted by: D-Lamp at November 25, 2013 10:00 AM (bb5+k)

223 It's like they gloss over every fucking group project anyone has ever had to work on in grade school up through college. One person does all the work while the other 1-6 people do jack shit.

----

Ace needs to do a post about the REAL Thanksgiving story.  Not the bullshit  one where the ancestors of Elizabeth Warren save the Pilgrims collective ass.

But the one where William Bradford saved the Pilgrims from starvation by dumping the "collective" and assigned each family their own plot of land to provide for themselves however they saw fit.

You know.... the one they teach in public school.   /S

Posted by: fixerupper at November 25, 2013 10:00 AM (nELVU)

224

Expansion in medicaid enrollment means state governments will start seizing homes and property of surviving spouses when deceased spouse received medicaid.

That's the one thing they cannot do unless they change the law. 

Posted by: polynikes at November 25, 2013 10:00 AM (m2CN7)

225 Can we please drop this Socialist BS once and for all? Jugears' mother, father, grandfather, mentor (FM Davis), Axlrod's father, Jarret's FIL all fucking COMUNISTS. Frank Marshall Davis, former head of the Commie Party in Hawaii, was on an FBI list of commies to be round up if the Cold War got HOT. Socialist my fucking ass.

Posted by: ontherocks at November 25, 2013 10:01 AM (WAtZR)

226
I think this could be a good idea if you had an understanding up front. IE the group pays for the tools as well as wear and tear. Any damage beyond wear and tear is the responsibility of the person who checked it out last.



Yes, on paper.

But socialists have a bit of a personality quirk, it works like this - even as the rules are developed and agreed upon, a part of their psyche never considers the rules to apply to themselves.  It's tough to have honor when you trash the institutions that teach it.

So, the mower is checked out without signing the book, the motor is destroyed, and it is very quietly replaced in the storage shed, and no one admits to it.

And when the time comes to collect the money to fix it, no one pays because no one will admit to breaking it.


Posted by: grognard at November 25, 2013 10:01 AM (/29Nl)

227 Remember, they were given permission to ratchet up the premiums for policies on individuals from the start. They got to keep the cream from those rate increases (designed to take the bite out of the drastic Obamacare increases, imho) for the last three and a half years. This was part of the deal they struck with Obama in the run up to passage. Posted by: garrett The term of art used is "risk corridors". As the big insurance companies succumb to the political corporatism implicit in "Obamacare", they will receive cost - plus subsidies to guarantee their financial liquidity and survival, which should remind everyone of TARP. Except there is no congressional oversight, and it's facism. The policy payouts will run on time, though. Until the Treasury money machine breaks and a loaf of bread costs $25.

Posted by: Severe Conservative riding Orca at November 25, 2013 10:02 AM (v6hyJ)

228 but libertarians from NYC are a breed of animal I rarely find likeable as they are likely to have the aforementioned characteristic. Posted by: polynikes at November 25, 2013 01:50 PM (m2CN7) I concur about Libertarians in general, and North East Libertarians in particular. Libertarians are simply people who have not contemplated a time scale beyond their own life time.

Posted by: D-Lamp at November 25, 2013 10:02 AM (bb5+k)

229 I've seen people borrow golf carts, bring them back smashed up with vegetation sticking out of them and deny they ran it into a fucking tree. My favorite is when an Officer tells the Armorer that the dirty gun he is checking in is clean.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b] at November 25, 2013 10:02 AM (sByIH)

230 I think this could be a good idea if you had an understanding up front. IE the group pays for the tools as well as wear and tear. Any damage beyond wear and tear is the responsibility of the person who checked it out last.

Lending libraries have been around a long time, so this should be workable.

Posted by: bonhomme at November 25, 2013 01:56 PM (sByIH)

 

The problem there is, who's in charge of making sure everyone's paying their "fair share?"  What if you never use the tools, or use them very rarely?   How much do you pay towards their upkeep and replacement?  What if the last person to sign them out denies up and down that s/he was the one who broke them and won't buy a replacement?  Because that WILL happen. 

 

A lending library is usually   books,  and most people (not myself, but many) tend to read books once.  Ther'es no point in keeping a book you're not planning to reread,   and if you like it enough it's usually easy and cheap to find a copy of your own.    But when you're talking about several hundred dollars for a lawn mower?   Or a set of hand tools? 

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/i][/u] at November 25, 2013 10:02 AM (4df7R)

231

"Any candidate from the right needs to constantly bash the media whenever they try to ask a question..."


Agreed, but what do you think the likelihood is of that happening anytime soon? No, I think the media business model collapse will happen before that.

 

Posted by: Burn the Witch at November 25, 2013 01:57 PM (S+fbC)

 

No, I don't think it will happen any time soon, what with the likes of Boner and McStain stinking up the joint.  But I think men like Cruz and Lee and Gowdy get that no matter what, the MFM are Democrat operatives.  But the RNC needs fresh, angry blood, pit bulls who will go out and verbally eviscerate every Dem, impugning their motives from the start and not allowing them to get away with any weasel-worded bullshit.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at November 25, 2013 10:03 AM (zF6Iw)

232 I think this could be a good idea if you had an understanding up front. IE the group pays for the tools as well as wear and tear. Any damage beyond wear and tear is the responsibility of the person who checked it out last.

Lending libraries have been around a long time, so this should be workable.

Posted by: bonhomme at November 25, 2013 01:56 PM (sByIH)

 

 

---------------------------------------------

 

 

No.  It's not workable.  There'll always be someone who won't share the responsibility.

 

Some people tried that in my  neighborhood, and they found out one of them was an  hidden coke and meth addict and was pawning a lot of their shit.  

 

All it takes is one person not taking responsibility and the whole plan goes array. 

Posted by: Soona at November 25, 2013 10:03 AM (66ULQ)

233 Awwwwww! The littlest Fuhrer. http://goo.gl/RzGRtU

Posted by: François Villon at November 25, 2013 10:04 AM (kkbgQ)

234 Nevergiveup, #125: "Britain to Israel: Don't undermine Iran nuclear deal UK's Hague warns Israel of acting outÂ…." "Hum? Iran get's billions and Israel is told to shut up and go to the corner?" This oddly reminds me of the grim joke Jonathan Netanyahu wrote home just before the 1967 war. Going roughly, from memory: We sit and wait. Why do we wait? It's like this: an Englishman, a Frenchman and an Israeli are captured by a tribe of cannibals. The chief gives each a last wish before they're to go into the pot. The Englishman asks for a pipe and tobacco, and he gets them. The Frenchman asks for a good glass of wine and he gets it. The Israeli asks the chief to give him a good kick in the backside. The chief hesitates, but the Israeli insists, so the chief kicks him. The Israeli pulls out an Uzi and shoots all the cannibals. "Are you crazy?" the Europeans ask. "If you had the gun all along why didn't you shoot him earlier?" "Are you kidding?" asks the Israeli. "And have the UN call me an aggressor?"

Posted by: JPS at November 25, 2013 10:04 AM (ywSPK)

235 If you like your liberal media lying to you, you can keep your liberal media lying to you.

Posted by: Patrick M at November 25, 2013 10:04 AM (oNqbW)

236 @225 225 Can we please drop this Socialist BS once and for all? Jugears' mother, father, grandfather, mentor (FM Davis), Axlrod's father, Jarret's FIL all fucking COMUNISTS. Frank Marshall Davis, former head of the Commie Party in Hawaii, was on an FBI list of commies to be round up if the Cold War got HOT. Socialist my fucking ass. Don't forget me!

Posted by: Rev Wright at November 25, 2013 10:04 AM (0FSuD)

237 All Ocare problems will be fixed in 5 days....it has been decreed.

Posted by: BignJames at November 25, 2013 10:05 AM (ZNQKl)

238 Obama and the idiot media think they can paper this over.
==========
No. They think they can turn that anger to a demand, an unstoppable tide for single payer.

They really see the people rioting and demanding more government.

Now, how insulated from the news, from reality do you have to be to hold that thought--even now?

Their back-up plan is to have destroyed the insurance companies so there is no one left but the government.

Evil and stupid.

Posted by: RoyalOil at November 25, 2013 10:05 AM (VjL9S)

239 Do you have any names? I've not heard any anecdotes that weren't in his bullshit autobiography. Posted by: Empire of Jeff at November 25, 2013 01:52 PM (CJjw5) I can find them. A couple come to mind right away. One of them is called "Wayne Allan Root" and another is "Marie Pope." I've heard of quite a few more names than that, but I didn't feel that it was really worthwhile to remember them. Just the fact that they existed was all I needed to remember. I figured I could google them up should I need to do so later.

Posted by: D-Lamp at November 25, 2013 10:05 AM (bb5+k)

240 All Ocare problems will be fixed in 5 days....it has been decreed.

Posted by: BignJames at November 25, 2013 02:05 PM (ZNQKl)

 

 

#twoweeks

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/i][/u] at November 25, 2013 10:05 AM (4df7R)

241 Even Hitler is pissed. http://tinyurl.com/nxtpbtv

Posted by: Nip Sip at November 25, 2013 10:06 AM (0FSuD)

242 Truth Revolt is one of the few organized effort to attack the media and use pressure campaigns like the Left does. The goal is to put fear into their hearts. Take ESPN. ESPN as a business relies on mainstream mass culture. It's not in the business of appealing to a narrow spectrum of leftists. Yet ESPN's on-air talent skew heavily leftist. And not just vaguely Democrat, but hard-core leftist. These are big-money Dem donors and left-wing activists -- making millions talking about Tom Brady and LeBron James. Going after ESPN's leftists is, I think, a good strategy. It will take a while to have any effect. But the pushback and the pressure campaigns help intimidate others into keeping their politics to themselves. That's what the Left does. Craig James worked for years as TV sports pundit. Then he came out in opposition to gay marriage when he said he supported his Church's position. He has been blackballed from the industry. He was fired from his national job. Then later he got a job doing regional sports coverage for Fox Southwest. A week into that the Gay Mafia got word of it and demanded he be fired. And he was. He can't get a job doing local high school sports radio now.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 25, 2013 10:06 AM (ZPrif)

243 "I think a lot of "news" people need punches in the mouth for their role in this disaster."

It's not just news people, but about every fourth person you meet. 

This world would be a happier place if there were a credible threat of a physical penalty for being an lying, thieving, cheating, and/or rude asshole.    They lost any fear of meaningful consequences and good people became deathly afraid of having their lives ruined over a simple slap or shove.

Posted by: Jaws at November 25, 2013 10:06 AM (4I3Uo)

244 Do you have any names? I've not heard any anecdotes that weren't in his bullshit autobiography. Here's one for starters: High school classmate and childhood friend, Maria Pope, has given an interview where she blows the lid of of Barry SoetoroÂ’s wicked past. She reveals that it was open for all to see back then that he spent most of his time with the gay community, and engaging in homosexual acts with rich Hawiian businessmen for drugs and money. Miss Pope said that his use of cocaine and crack were common knowledge. Perhaps now you see why he spent so much money to seal and cover up his records from his school days. But even all that money and secrecy has not prevented the truth from coming out. All of ObamaÂ’s childhood friends knew that he was born and raised in Indonesia, it was never a question. Even throughout his murky college years, everyone he came in contact with knew he was born in Indonesia.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at November 25, 2013 10:06 AM (7ObY1)

245 New one!

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/i][/u] at November 25, 2013 10:06 AM (4df7R)

246 The chief hesitates, but the Israeli insists, so the chief kicks him. The Israeli pulls out an Uzi and shoots all the cannibals. "Are you crazy?" the Europeans ask. "If you had the gun all along why didn't you shoot him earlier?" "Are you kidding?" asks the Israeli. "And have the UN call me an aggressor?" Posted by: JPS at November 25, 2013 02:04 PM (ywSPK) Yeah that's a good one. I've heard variations of that one before. And all to true

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 25, 2013 10:06 AM (t3UFN)

247 All the media is trying to do now is BS their way into trying to regain enough credibility so that they might pull the same crap again to get Hillary! elected.

Posted by: Havedash at November 25, 2013 10:07 AM (BMEZ0)

248 Chances are that the NYT is throwing out lots of "Did you know this." articles to keep people discussing anything other than the Iran fiasco that obma and JFKerry have signed.

Posted by: Chilling the most at November 25, 2013 10:07 AM (gxtMZ)

249 183 To every socialist, socialism is a beautiful idea until they actually have to do it too.

I had a friend just outside of Ithaca, NY (Berkeley East) get into a co-op arrangement with neighbors for sharing lawn tools and a riding mower. He was all excited about how much money it would save and waste it would prevent.

Within a week - a fucking week - the mower was broken and no one wanted to take responsibility to fix it.
============

Somewhere out there is a story about how some feminists started a commune with no men.

That failed shortly thereafter over fights about who should take out the garbage.

Posted by: RoyalOil at November 25, 2013 10:07 AM (VjL9S)

250 Wayne Allyn Root specifically says he has no memory of ever seeing or hearing about Obama -- even though they graduated in the same class at Columbia.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 25, 2013 10:08 AM (ZPrif)

251 Libertarians are simply people who have not contemplated a time scale beyond their own life time. ---------------------- Holy smokes, that's an excellent observation.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at November 25, 2013 10:08 AM (CJjw5)

252 Tea partier, we live in a world that has pills, and those pills have to be guarded by men with pens. Who’s gonna do it? You, Sarah Palin? You, Ted Cruz? The New York Times has a greater responsibility than you can possibly fathom. You weep for your lost health insurance and you curse the White House. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know, that your lost health insurance, while tragic, probably was substandard. And our existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lies! You don’t want the lies, because deep down in places you don’t talk about at parties, you are racist. You cling to god and guns. We use words like “government”, “subsidies”, “payment advisory board”. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent demanding something. You use them as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a tea partier who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the lies that we provide, and then questions the manner in which we provide them! We would rather you just said “thank you”, and went on paying your taxes. Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a pen, and sign your Obamacare policy. Either way, I don’t give a damn what health insurance you think you can afford!

Posted by: A Few Good Reporters at November 25, 2013 10:08 AM (QF8uk)

253 One thing they seem to have missed is offering any choice in the matter. When loading boxcars never let the cattle have an opportunity to say no. Jeepers Ivy Leaguers are so stupid.

Posted by: Chaos the other dark meat at November 25, 2013 10:08 AM (oDCMR)

254 "At some point, we will get them to confront this, and give us a straight answer as to why they lied to the country"

Why do you believe this?

They have YET to admit that they are partisan. Even after years and years and myriad studies and surveys that have found that the Media:

1) Vote Democrat
2) Agree with all Liberal/Left/Progressive/Democrat stated agenda.
3) Donate to Democrats
4) Have been found to campaign for Democrats

They claim that just because of 1, 2, 3 are true doesn't mean that they bias their writing to . . .  Democrats/The Left.

How can you expect a group that has such a huge cognitive dissonance going for so long to suddenly admit that they're lying shit weasels and always have been?

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Unexpurgated Edition) at November 25, 2013 10:09 AM (LSDdO)

255 Rooky there.  Eight Birron is  exact amount I sell   ICBM  technorogy. 

Posted by: Kim Jon-un at November 25, 2013 10:09 AM (m2CN7)

256 Even Hitler is pissed. No, Hitler just wants a belly rub.

Posted by: François Villon at November 25, 2013 10:09 AM (kkbgQ)

257 Obama and the idiot media think they can paper this over. Idiot Harry Reid thinks that invoking the nuclear option and packing the DC Circuit Court will knock the fight out of people. Nothing like what is going to happen next year has ever happened before in American history. It will be ...... epic. Posted by: Severe Conservative riding Orca at November 25, 2013 01:52 PM (v6hyJ) I think so too. Making people pay many hundreds of extra dollars out of their pocket every month will focus their minds on revenge like nothing else. I think voters will be gunning for Donkey ass come next November.

Posted by: D-Lamp at November 25, 2013 10:09 AM (bb5+k)

258 225 Can we please drop this Socialist BS once and for all?
Yes please. We have had Socialism Lite in America ever since FDR, and the public has lapped it up, mostly.
Obama and the Democrat Party are orders of magnitude beyond our "cozy" Socialism.  They are hard-core Marxists, hiding the degree of their Communism only for political expedience.

Posted by: tubal at November 25, 2013 10:09 AM (YEQ2h)

259 I agree they are communists, big and small C.

However.

Socialism has been taught as "thinking-man's" alternative to communism for about 2 generations, hard core.  I've seen many examples when communism's body count is pointed out, only to have the other one respond "But socialism won't do that!"

As such, we need to hit the term they've been indoctrinated to accept as the evolved alternative to communism.

As pinko as these collectivists are, calling these actions "socialist" resonates more negatively than "communist."


Posted by: grognard at November 25, 2013 10:09 AM (/29Nl)

260 He can't get a job doing local high school sports radio now. Posted by: Flatbush Joe Craig James. He has literally become an unperson. In the new Soviet Amerika,

Posted by: Severe Conservative riding Orca at November 25, 2013 10:09 AM (v6hyJ)

261 Why are they  even bothering now?

Their readers certainly don't have any interest  in  the truth.  They want their correct lies.


Posted by: eleven at November 25, 2013 10:10 AM (KXm42)

262 Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 25, 2013 02:06 PM (ZPrif) How the hell is he not suing them back to the stone age?

Posted by: Burn the Witch at November 25, 2013 10:10 AM (S+fbC)

263 Also, that redistribution of small arms in Mexico and Benghazi turned out about as well as we expected.

Maybe the Times can wake the fcuk up about those too?

Posted by: Fritz at November 25, 2013 10:11 AM (TKFmG)

264 The problem with labeling someone a communist, whether or not it's true, is that you get people hyperventilating about ZOMGZMCCARTHYISM!!111 Socialist has a bad enough connotation.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at November 25, 2013 10:12 AM (S+fbC)

265 That failed shortly thereafter over fights about who should take out the garbage.



And kill the spiders.



Posted by: EC at November 25, 2013 10:13 AM (GQ8sn)

266 You know, a savvy Republican could put 4 Long Lances into the USS Democratic Party very easily. Yeah, OK, we're fucked.....

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Rounding Error Extraordinaire at November 25, 2013 10:13 AM (2GMuc)

267 10652 Which wine pairing works best with a shit sandwich?
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 25, 2013 01:23 PM (8ZskC)10652 Which wine pairing works best with a shit sandwich?Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 25, 2013 01:23 PM (8ZskC)  You have a wide selection citizen. Ripple,ThunderbirdMad Dog

Posted by: drill_thrawl at November 25, 2013 10:14 AM (Z7toi)

268

"What is Obastard's presidential library going to contain?"

 

Lots of photos, all with a halo effect.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Death Capades - ObamaCare on Ice! Sponsored by the Outrage Outlet at November 25, 2013 10:14 AM (hLRSq)

269 First came free distribution, as in birth control for the Promiscuius Flukians. Next came redistribution, with the opening wave of "superior" health plans that cost more and deliver less because "substandard" plans for individuals were outlawed. Soon to come is spree distribution, where the statists in charge offer a cornucopia of bennies and other goodies to our little brown brudders from south of the border. Forward, komrades!

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars [/i] [/b] [/s] at November 25, 2013 10:15 AM (51moJ)

270 Hmmmm Sticking a microphone in the NY Times reporters face, sounds delicious. How about Chuck Todd asking why they didn't investigate? Wash,rinse,repeat ad infitnitum I would love to bathe in their tears were the fire applied to their feet.

Posted by: Fourth Horseman at November 25, 2013 10:15 AM (KuZ6A)

271 Didn't some idiot suggest that the MSM should be subsidized by the gov?

Posted by: François Villon at November 25, 2013 10:17 AM (kkbgQ)

272 Their back-up plan is to have destroyed the insurance companies so there is no one left but the government. Evil and stupid. Posted by: RoyalOil at November 25, 2013 02:05 PM (VjL9S) I have lately been contemplating that Insurance companies themselves are in a large part responsible for this creeping fascism. They make every effort to use the force of government to guarantee their income, (especially in regards to Auto Insurance) and they were perfectly willing to get in bed with Obama and his ACA because they regarded it as a guaranteed client base. (I assume.) I'm coming to regard insurance companies as part of the problem.

Posted by: D-Lamp at November 25, 2013 10:18 AM (bb5+k)

273 If you think things are crazy now, wait'll Boehner schedules the Amnesty Bill.

And it passes.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Unexpurgated Edition) at November 25, 2013 10:21 AM (LSDdO)

274 Posted by: D-Lamp at November 25, 2013 02:18 PM (bb5+k)

It's never BEEN about Health CARE.

It's always been about Health INSURANCE. (although what passes for insurance these days is not, really, actually insurance. It's pooled resource management and that's what most people fail to understand.)

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Unexpurgated Edition) at November 25, 2013 10:23 AM (LSDdO)

275 Socialism is a "means to an end" lie. It is a temporary arrangement lasting only as long as "other peoples' money".

Posted by: ontherocks at November 25, 2013 10:24 AM (WAtZR)

276 250 Wayne Allyn Root specifically says he has no memory of ever seeing or hearing about Obama -- even though they graduated in the same class at Columbia. Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 25, 2013 02:08 PM (ZPrif) This is true, but unfortunately his is the only name which came to mind. There are others who claimed to have seen Obama at both Occidental and Columbia, and I know this because i've gotten into discussions (over at Free Republic) regarding this issue. The evidence was satisfactory enough to convince me at the time. I can find those old message threads if I need to, but I don't have them at the moment.

Posted by: D-Lamp at November 25, 2013 10:25 AM (bb5+k)

277 "I'm coming to regard insurance companies as part of the problem."

No question.

Whether their part and the part of the medical industry itself was a reaction to the abuses of the  Big Law / Government is immaterial.  The fact remains  that they all  built this goddamn monster when they figured out they could all make more money by  turning a normal childbirth into a  six  figure financial event.

Fuck them all.

Posted by: Jaws at November 25, 2013 10:26 AM (4I3Uo)

278 Holy smokes, that's an excellent observation. Posted by: Empire of Jeff at November 25, 2013 02:08 PM (CJjw5) I pondered the topic a long while before I realized this.

Posted by: D-Lamp at November 25, 2013 10:26 AM (bb5+k)

279 Jeff, here's a link from Jugears' Occidental Days http://tinyurl.com/ctgpjwk There was also a piece about this John Drew at AT a while back which I'm sure must be archived.

Posted by: ontherocks at November 25, 2013 10:35 AM (WAtZR)

280 I don't have wealth. Why is what I have being redistributed?

Posted by: DL at November 25, 2013 10:38 AM (vDDnO)

281 At some point, we will get them to confront this, and give us a straight answer as to why they lied to the country, more frequently than Obama himself , about Obama and his pet redistributive Trojan Horse. No, we won't. Because they will never, ever, ever admit any of this.

Posted by: Fred at November 25, 2013 10:50 AM (1t4mr)

282 "Republicans view the president as very ideological." We are all Republicans today.

Posted by: Newsweak at November 25, 2013 10:51 AM (Y92Nd)

283 "What is Obastard's presidential library going to contain?"

Pictures of TFG staring at a picture of TFG staring at a picture of TFG and so on. I know that politicians in general are arrogant pricks, but I swear that I've never seen someone so in love with himself. It's truly disturbing.

Posted by: physics geek at November 25, 2013 10:57 AM (MT22W)

284 "Hiding in plain sight behind that pledge — visible to health policy experts but not the general public — was the redistribution required to extend health coverage to those who had been either locked out or priced out of the market." Isn't it comforting knowing that a large number of your fellow citizens are basically ignorant idiots?

Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at November 25, 2013 12:10 PM (VVsZ2)

285 Can we call the leader of national socialist left by the proper label now?

Posted by: Coee at November 25, 2013 12:21 PM (v37LF)

286 Ahh, finally catching on that when Obama said he was going to give racist granny a pill and redistribute her wealth, he actually meant that.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at November 25, 2013 03:28 PM (80R0X)

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