June 13, 2013
— DrewM Oh boy.
Following a deliberative review, our intelligence community assesses that the Assad regime has used chemical weapons, including the nerve agent sarin, on a small scale against the opposition multiple times in the last year. Our intelligence community has high confidence in that assessment given multiple, independent streams of information. The intelligence community estimates that 100 to 150 people have died from detected chemical weapons attacks in Syria to date; however, casualty data is likely incomplete. While the lethality of these attacks make up only a small portion of the catastrophic loss of life in Syria, which now stands at more than 90,000 deaths, the use of chemical weapons violates international norms and crosses clear red lines that have existed within the international community for decades. We believe that the Assad regime maintains control of these weapons. We have no reliable, corroborated reporting to indicate that the opposition in Syria has acquired or used chemical weapons.
Possible reactions include....a No-Fly Zone (aka War).
A U.S. military proposal for arming Syrian rebels also calls for a limited no-fly zone inside Syria that would be enforced from Jordanian territory to protect Syrian refugees and rebels who would train there, according to U.S. officials.Asked by the White House to develop options for Syria, military planners have said that creating an area to train and equip rebel forces would require keeping Syrian aircraft well away from the Jordanian border.
To do that, the military envisages creating a no-fly zone stretching up to 25 miles into Syria which would be enforced using aircraft flown from Jordanian bases and flying inside the kingdom, according to U.S. officials.
McCain and Graham were just on the Senate floor doing their usual spiel. McCain says they'll hate us forever if we don't help. Well, they seem to have us for "helping" in Iraq and Afghanistan. Maybe they just hate us (which is ok because...right back at ya).
Graham said some really dumb stuff too.
First, he said it would be too dangerous to let Assad win and have chemical weapons. Seems to me, it's too dangerous to let al Qaeda affiliated rebels win and take over Assad's chemical weapons.
His other point was Jordan is teetering under the weight of refugees. How exactly is launching US aircraft from Jordan to fight Assad going to help stabilize the Jordanian regime? It seems Jordan is about to become target number 1 for Assad and his terrorist pals.
Now that we've confirmed that Assad is in for "the full Khadaffi", why wouldn't he up his use of chemical weapons and start handing them out to Hezbollah while he still can?
We should help whichever side is losing at any given moment but only to the extant that it enables them to fight on to take and inflict more casualties. There's no scenario where one side winning helps us.
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Posted by: zsasz at June 13, 2013 04:11 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: chemjeff on the phone at June 13, 2013 04:14 PM (bHs5V)
Posted by: L, elle at June 13, 2013 04:15 PM (0PiQ4)
Posted by: Yip at June 13, 2013 04:16 PM (/jHWN)
Left hand-Amnesty
Posted by: FUBAR at June 13, 2013 08:14 PM (Cs2tJ)
America, grab your ass with both hands and bend over.
Posted by: EyeTest at June 13, 2013 04:16 PM (ReC4P)
Posted by: Yip at June 13, 2013 04:17 PM (/jHWN)
Posted by: Matt at June 13, 2013 04:18 PM (4hSOH)
Posted by: Esteban 10077 at June 13, 2013 04:18 PM (d9xMe)
My give a shit meter must be broken. I got nothin'.
Sit back. Watch the show.
Posted by: Dang at June 13, 2013 04:18 PM (Hx2XA)
Apparently you have misunderstood, we don't give a fuck that Muslims are killing Muslims. Tell your boyfriend Lindsay that as well. By the way, your fatass daughter already knows that I am a hater.
Posted by: Samuel Adams at June 13, 2013 04:18 PM (cK0tU)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 13, 2013 04:19 PM (9Bj8R)
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That's my instinct also, but, whether we like it or not, we are playing a chess game with the Rooskies. I don't know that just ignoring things there is the best strategy.
Posted by: Mike Hammer at June 13, 2013 04:19 PM (aDwsi)
Oh yeah, because our foriegn policy is based on never acting in the nation's best interests.
Posted by: GhostShip at June 13, 2013 04:19 PM (sbaXF)
Posted by: Esteban 10077 at June 13, 2013 04:19 PM (d9xMe)
Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at June 13, 2013 04:20 PM (SzAZ7)
Posted by: Esteban 10077 at June 13, 2013 04:21 PM (d9xMe)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 13, 2013 04:21 PM (9Bj8R)
Posted by: zsasz at June 13, 2013 08:11 PM (MMC8r)
At least Israel is smarter than Obama and know that those goat raping fucks can't fight their way out of a wet paper bag.
Posted by: Samuel Adams at June 13, 2013 04:21 PM (cK0tU)
What does Senator Cruz* say
*one of three men I trust in DC right now: other two are Rep Gowdy and Jordan. And Issa....so four.
I really think the scandal they fear the most is Benghazi (hi Stedman!) followed by the NSA, followed by IRS. Lots of rug sweeping as well with the Chechnya boys and helicopter accident(s) involving special ops. So all wag the dog distract! Bring on the pale guy who is in Hong Kong and dates a pole dancer (by the way, he really needs to have that mole on his neck looked at and biopsied).
I may be an old supermodel briefly soothed by frozen yogurt, but I am not blind. Note for camp director: in addition to window unit, corner bunk with natural light, pastels, my own new pillow, books and stuff, I also require a small compact freezer for Edie's Extra Churned Frozen Yogurt and vodka*if you want me to be sort of calm and cooperative with the crap you make me do. Oh, and I don't do toilets!
*I may need to switch to vodka vs not being able to buy Junipero gin from camps. It is the small sacrifices we make that count. I have heard any vodka will improve in the freezer. Could be wrong! In no mood to argue, darlings. Bite moi.
Posted by: ChristyBlinky is cranky-pants with news, maybe needs rehab at June 13, 2013 04:21 PM (baL2B)
Posted by: Admiral Ackbar at June 13, 2013 04:22 PM (vh67+)
Posted by: Tonawanda at June 13, 2013 04:22 PM (GeFHE)
Posted by: Dianna at June 13, 2013 04:22 PM (MPvEy)
Posted by: CarolT at June 13, 2013 04:22 PM (s0f54)
Posted by: LaQiusha Largess at June 13, 2013 04:22 PM (3Z1wn)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 13, 2013 04:23 PM (9Bj8R)
Posted by: joncelli at June 13, 2013 04:23 PM (vh67+)
Posted by: rip van winkin at the 80s at June 13, 2013 04:24 PM (WVMUQ)
In a perfect world, the US would follow Israel's lead wrt Syria; they live next door to them, they know best what to do here.
Posted by: Aslan's Girl at June 13, 2013 04:24 PM (KL49F)
Posted by: Body Builder at June 13, 2013 04:25 PM (2ArJQ)
Muslims hate non muslims.
They plan on killing or converting non muslims.
Muslims are having a family feud- Sunni vs. Shia, and are killing each other.
Whoever wins will plan on killing or converting non muslims.
Why the vuk do we want to get involved ?
I am a non muslim, not sure about ole bammy.
Posted by: seamrog at June 13, 2013 04:25 PM (cuMLs)
Posted by: Esteban 10077 at June 13, 2013 04:25 PM (d9xMe)
Posted by: Aslan's Girl at June 13, 2013 04:25 PM (KL49F)
Posted by: Sen Lindsay Graham at June 13, 2013 04:25 PM (bKA83)
Posted by: CarolT at June 13, 2013 04:26 PM (s0f54)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 13, 2013 04:26 PM (9Bj8R)
Its endless war with McCain and Graham. WTF? Like those f'ing muzzies are ever gonna like us.
As I said previously, I never would have guessed that McCain would partner up with a bunch of torture freaks. But there you have it.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 13, 2013 04:26 PM (g5YAm)
Posted by: rickl at June 13, 2013 04:26 PM (sdi6R)
Posted by: Samuel Adams at June 13, 2013 08:21 PM (cK0tU)
Dear Samuel,
I like your descriptive and concise use of language here! A+
Posted by: Samuel Adams freshman English lit professor at June 13, 2013 04:26 PM (baL2B)
Posted by: Esteban 10077 at June 13, 2013 04:26 PM (d9xMe)
What could possibly go wrong?
Posted by: kartoffel at June 13, 2013 04:27 PM (F3gO/)
What a legacy.
Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at June 13, 2013 04:27 PM (SX6wc)
Posted by: Esteban 10077 at June 13, 2013 04:28 PM (d9xMe)
What a legacy.
Well, there's also that coveted "even worse than Nancy Pelosi" trophy. Few have achieved that one.
Posted by: Splunge at June 13, 2013 04:28 PM (bKA83)
Posted by: t-dubya-d at June 13, 2013 04:28 PM (u6lBN)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 13, 2013 04:28 PM (9Bj8R)
Posted by: Zombie Saddam at June 13, 2013 04:29 PM (vh67+)
Posted by: Sen Lindsay Graham at June 13, 2013 08:25 PM (bKA83)
It is well known in our circles that Reggie prefers Preparation H for this problem. Sometimes with a shmear of Vick's Mentholated Ointment or A&D or S&M. I get confused.
Posted by: WH doctor aka Granny's voodoo buddy at June 13, 2013 04:29 PM (baL2B)
Posted by: Esteban 10077 at June 13, 2013 04:30 PM (d9xMe)
Sorry professor, I was kinda referring to one country fighting a six day war with another country and kicking their ass. With that exception, I have never heard of a war lasting 6 days.
Posted by: Samuel Adams at June 13, 2013 04:30 PM (cK0tU)
Posted by: Mark E at June 13, 2013 08:28 PM (1gMHN)
Saddamed. He chartered a big ole jet, ripped out the innards, and sprinted them out of Irack in the middle of one night. Was tracked and stuff.
Posted by: The answer my friends at June 13, 2013 04:31 PM (baL2B)
Posted by: Samuel Adams at June 13, 2013 08:30 PM (cK0tU)
Sammy, I could be wrong (rarely!) but she/he/tranny was complementing you and agrees with your philosophy.
Posted by: The answer my friends at June 13, 2013 04:32 PM (baL2B)
Posted by: Esteban 10077 at June 13, 2013 04:32 PM (d9xMe)
Posted by: Cindy Sheehan turning tricks at a truck stop at June 13, 2013 04:33 PM (SzAZ7)
and didn't feinstein just say in her statement you only have a Name and Number you take to a judge with a clear idea of a possible connection to terrorist?
Posted by: willow at June 13, 2013 04:33 PM (nqBYe)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 13, 2013 04:35 PM (9Bj8R)
Posted by: Tom Sawed her in half at June 13, 2013 04:35 PM (u6lBN)
Posted by: t-bird at June 13, 2013 04:35 PM (WW/UE)
Posted by: Esteban 10077 at June 13, 2013 04:35 PM (d9xMe)
O/T but God bless Gohmert, Bachmann, and Steve King:
Revolt Among Republicans on Immigration Bill: 70 House Members Risk Careers in Planned Showdown With Leadership
http://tinyurl.com/krrg3kf
Posted by: Aslan's Girl at June 13, 2013 04:36 PM (KL49F)
Posted by: Trevor (@TJexcite) at June 13, 2013 04:36 PM (CdeLs)
Posted by: joncelli at June 13, 2013 04:36 PM (vh67+)
this has always been the issue, fkn liars lie, so many lies, who can keep up?
a feature not a bug.
Posted by: willow at June 13, 2013 04:36 PM (nqBYe)
Posted by: Esteban 10077 at June 13, 2013 04:36 PM (d9xMe)
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Over-aiding Stalin during WWII was one of the worst mistakes of the 20th Century. Under-aiding the Chinese Nationalists same thing
Posted by: Mike Hammer at June 13, 2013 04:37 PM (aDwsi)
62 58
53 The question that begs to be asked is ... where did Ass-ad get the chemical weapons?
When the Ruskies helped Saddam truck the stuff out of Iraq before IW2.
And it doesn't take much to make chemical weapons. Ammonia and Bleach, VX, sarin etc. started as organophosphate insecticides.
Posted by: Iblis at June 13, 2013 04:37 PM (9221z)
Posted by: Cindy Sheehan turning tricks at a truck stop at June 13, 2013 04:37 PM (SzAZ7)
And the leftoids of course decided the sarin shells "are not REAL wmd" and the yellowcae we found was duncan hines
Posted by: Esteban 10077 at June 13, 2013 08:32 PM (d9xMe)
Ah, yes. I long for those days of lefty outrage, when political dissent was patriotic. When Bill C's nose was less bulbous and Hil's cankles less swollen and her hair looked better. Those were the days I thought would never end. And now we are here, and it may end sooner than we thought! Get your affairs in order (Bill!).
Posted by: The answer my friends at June 13, 2013 04:38 PM (baL2B)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 13, 2013 04:38 PM (+98Gb)
Posted by: CDR M at June 13, 2013 04:38 PM (dKV5k)
OK.... so... War Powers Act?
We have no Dog in this fight... there is no REAL American Foreign Threat from anyone in Syria.
We would be taking sides in the Sunni vs. Shiite War which is raging throughout the Mideast.... just like we did in Iraq (while throwing the Kurds to the curb...).
I never thought I could be an Anti War Protester... but with this President, I may very well become one.
No War for SAUDI Oil....
Posted by: Romeo13 at June 13, 2013 04:38 PM (lZBBB)
Posted by: T. at June 13, 2013 04:39 PM (i/jj5)
Posted by: joncelli at June 13, 2013 04:40 PM (vh67+)
Posted by: Esteban 10077 at June 13, 2013 04:40 PM (d9xMe)
Teh JEF making Jimmah Cartah look like fucking Sun Tzu. We are so boned. I am glad that I am not in the military right now.
Posted by: Truck Monkey, Gruntled New Business Owner at June 13, 2013 04:40 PM (jucos)
Posted by: willow at June 13, 2013 04:40 PM (nqBYe)
Posted by: George Orwell what knows shoe phones are 4G ready at June 13, 2013 04:40 PM (xw77v)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 13, 2013 04:40 PM (+98Gb)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 13, 2013 04:41 PM (9Bj8R)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 13, 2013 04:41 PM (+98Gb)
Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at June 13, 2013 04:41 PM (n8LUb)
Posted by: Tom Sawed her in half
LOL. Needs a few more LOLs.
Posted by: POTUS MAXIMUS [/i] [/b] at June 13, 2013 04:41 PM (SX6wc)
Oh, dear God. O needs to be impeached asap. This must be his back-up plan in case immigration reform fails.
Posted by: Aslan's Girl at June 13, 2013 04:42 PM (KL49F)
Posted by: WalrusRex at June 13, 2013 04:42 PM (VlXYw)
Posted by: Esteban 10077 at June 13, 2013 04:42 PM (d9xMe)
Posted by: joncelli at June 13, 2013 04:42 PM (vh67+)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 13, 2013 04:43 PM (+98Gb)
http://preview.tinyurl.com/kecb4x3
Posted by: ConservativeMonster at June 13, 2013 04:43 PM (sGtp+)
Posted by: ChristyBlinky is cranky-pants at June 13, 2013 04:43 PM (baL2B)
Posted by: Tami[/i][/b][/u][/s] at June 13, 2013 04:44 PM (X6akg)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 13, 2013 04:44 PM (+98Gb)
Posted by: DHS at June 13, 2013 04:44 PM (SzAZ7)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 13, 2013 04:44 PM (lVPtV)
You have seriously overwhelmed us, please turn yourself in to the nearest FBI field office for questioning.
Posted by: NSA at June 13, 2013 04:44 PM (cK0tU)
Posted by: George Orwell what knows shoe phones are 4G ready at June 13, 2013 04:44 PM (xw77v)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 13, 2013 04:44 PM (+98Gb)
Posted by: KG at June 13, 2013 04:44 PM (IPz9m)
Posted by: Ronster at June 13, 2013 04:44 PM (xAU1K)
All I really remember was demons carrying off some people from Washington, D.C. while they said, "Wait, don't you know who I AM?"
That was actually the only good part of the book, but for some reason it has stuck with me and I am remembering it as appropriate for this situation.
Posted by: Miss Marple at June 13, 2013 04:44 PM (GoIUi)
Posted by: Buck Ofama at June 13, 2013 04:44 PM (VlXYw)
Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at June 13, 2013 04:45 PM (n8LUb)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 13, 2013 04:45 PM (+98Gb)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 13, 2013 08:40 PM (+98Gb)
Jesus. Have we learned nothing from the Swedes and the Brits about importing muslims?
Posted by: joncelli at June 13, 2013 08:42 PM (vh67+)
Hrm. Avoid any marathons or other public sports events in a 100 mile radius around refugee settling areas for the next decade or two?
Posted by: ConservativeMonster at June 13, 2013 04:45 PM (oY6Yp)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 13, 2013 04:45 PM (lVPtV)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 13, 2013 04:45 PM (9Bj8R)
Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at June 13, 2013 04:46 PM (SzAZ7)
Posted by: George Orwell what knows shoe phones are 4G ready at June 13, 2013 04:46 PM (xw77v)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 13, 2013 04:46 PM (+98Gb)
1. Texas
2. Indiana
3. Mississippi
4. Kentucky
5. Wyoming
Place your bets!
Posted by: Miss Marple at June 13, 2013 04:46 PM (GoIUi)
Posted by: Esteban 10077 at June 13, 2013 04:46 PM (d9xMe)
Posted by: Jewells45trying to keep from going crazy at June 13, 2013 04:47 PM (u25eL)
I don't think there is one person in our government that will acknowledge this, despite the fact it's fucking playing out right in front of us. It's fucking insanity.
Posted by: lowandslow at June 13, 2013 04:47 PM (Fz2C7)
Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at June 13, 2013 04:47 PM (n8LUb)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 13, 2013 04:47 PM (lVPtV)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 13, 2013 04:48 PM (+98Gb)
127 Meanwhile the Yanks and As are in the 17th inning
Damnit I'm still at work! Oh who am I kidding, I've got DISH and can't get YES anyway.
Posted by: Iblis at June 13, 2013 04:48 PM (9221z)
"A U.S. military proposal for arming Syrian rebels also calls for a limited no-fly zone inside Syria..."
We might have something to say about that.
Posted by: Vlad "The Body" Putin at June 13, 2013 04:48 PM (5RUlF)
Posted by: Ronster at June 13, 2013 04:48 PM (xAU1K)
Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at June 13, 2013 04:48 PM (n8LUb)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 13, 2013 04:48 PM (9Bj8R)
Posted by: George Orwell what knows shoe phones are 4G ready at June 13, 2013 04:49 PM (xw77v)
Posted by: baldilocks at June 13, 2013 04:49 PM (Su0W2)
Posted by: Samuel Adams at June 13, 2013 04:49 PM (cK0tU)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 13, 2013 04:49 PM (+98Gb)
Posted by: Jewells45trying to keep from going crazy at June 13, 2013 04:49 PM (u25eL)
Posted by: Ronster at June 13, 2013 08:48 PM (xAU1K
Prayers, and stay safe!!
Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 13, 2013 04:49 PM (lVPtV)
Posted by: WalrusRex at June 13, 2013 04:50 PM (VlXYw)
Dude, I'm already going to Hell. It's all about what ring I can get into.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 13, 2013 08:44 PM (+98Gb)
Camp first, darling, for preparation. There is a secret handshake but no one will tell me what it is. I think it is three fingers, forming an upside down W to a M, but am not sure. I am just going to use my middle one and hope that will get me points. Preparation is key! We need to plan! Thankfully I am on record as saying that i love everyone in dc, especially our current first fambly.
Posted by: ChristyBlinky is cranky-pants at June 13, 2013 04:50 PM (baL2B)
What the hell has gone wrong in Washington, D.C.?
Posted by: Skandia Recluse at June 13, 2013 04:50 PM (EKuMr)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 13, 2013 04:50 PM (+98Gb)
Posted by: Esteban 10077 at June 13, 2013 04:51 PM (d9xMe)
Posted by: ChristyBlinky is cranky-pants at June 13, 2013 04:51 PM (baL2B)
Posted by: garrett at June 13, 2013 04:51 PM (2Gslt)
Posted by: baldilocks at June 13, 2013 08:49 PM (Su0W2)
Tax payer funded mosques and muz only footbaths, plus sharia for all...
Just to show we aren't islamophobic!
Posted by: Hrothgar at June 13, 2013 04:51 PM (Cnqmv)
Posted by: tinfoil hats are stylish at June 13, 2013 04:51 PM (V+Pei)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 13, 2013 04:52 PM (+98Gb)
Posted by: Skandia Recluse at June 13, 2013 04:52 PM (EKuMr)
Posted by: Michael Stipe's dead career at June 13, 2013 04:52 PM (SzAZ7)
Watch out, muzztards. And Fuck You, NSA.
*wobbles back to wet bar for refill*
Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 13, 2013 04:52 PM (lVPtV)
Posted by: WalrusRex at June 13, 2013 04:52 PM (VlXYw)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 13, 2013 04:52 PM (+98Gb)
Posted by: Jewells45trying to keep from going crazy at June 13, 2013 04:52 PM (u25eL)
Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at June 13, 2013 04:53 PM (wR+pz)
Posted by: CDR M at June 13, 2013 04:53 PM (dKV5k)
160 you know? as the days go by these past few weeks, alex jones seems a little less crazy huh?
Posted by: tinfoil hats are stylish at June 13, 2013 08:51 PM (V+Pei)
And Beck seems sober.
Posted by: Iblis at June 13, 2013 04:53 PM (9221z)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 13, 2013 04:53 PM (+98Gb)
Posted by: Tami[/i][/b][/u][/s] at June 13, 2013 04:53 PM (X6akg)
Are the ickiest people in the world.
They're children, nothing more than children
With Arabic pride, hiding inside
Acting more like children, than children.
Muzzies, are very special people
They're the angriest people in the world.
One person, one very special person
At 1600 Penn, will help them again
Because here is some news
Muzzies hate Jews
So Muzzies, are very special people,
Although they're the ickiest people in the world.
Posted by: Miss Marple at June 13, 2013 04:53 PM (GoIUi)
I think we both know the answer, and it is not for the Pentagon to support Israel in any way shape or form.
Posted by: Hrothgar at June 13, 2013 04:53 PM (Cnqmv)
Posted by: Fritz at June 13, 2013 04:53 PM (G9Mmf)
drugs
9) more drugs
Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 13, 2013 04:53 PM (9Bj8R)
Posted by: Jewells45trying to keep from going crazy at June 13, 2013 04:53 PM (u25eL)
Posted by: Miss Marple at June 13, 2013 08:46 PM (GoIUi)
I vote for Dearborn, MI. Keep them all in one place with the rest.
Posted by: ChristyBlinky is cranky-pants at June 13, 2013 04:54 PM (baL2B)
Posted by: George Orwell what knows shoe phones are 4G ready at June 13, 2013 04:54 PM (xw77v)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 13, 2013 04:55 PM (+98Gb)
Posted by: Soldier's dad at June 13, 2013 04:55 PM (DQZwe)
Posted by: Jewells45trying to keep from going crazy at June 13, 2013 08:53 PM (u25eL
Here, honey, let me pour you a nice, crisp Pinot Grigio. Sorry, we're out of gin and tonic.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 13, 2013 04:55 PM (lVPtV)
Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/u][/s] at June 13, 2013 04:55 PM (/gHaE)
Posted by: sound awake at June 13, 2013 04:55 PM (ZjfK8)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 13, 2013 04:55 PM (9Bj8R)
Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at June 13, 2013 04:55 PM (wR+pz)
Posted by: t-dubyah-d at June 13, 2013 04:56 PM (u6lBN)
Posted by: Esteban 10077 at June 13, 2013 04:56 PM (d9xMe)
And they'll get full welfare benefits, won't even pay a fine, and get voting rights immediately!
Must be some po'd LaRaza dudes out there!
Posted by: Hrothgar at June 13, 2013 04:56 PM (Cnqmv)
Actually, I love any alchohol these days.Posted by: Jewells45trying to keep from going crazy at June 13, 2013 04:56 PM (u25eL)
Posted by: Jay Leno at June 13, 2013 04:57 PM (u82oZ)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 13, 2013 04:57 PM (+98Gb)
Don't forget to take your Vicodin! I didn't. Wrist? What fucking wrist?
Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at June 13, 2013 08:55 PM (wR+pz)
Knock that shit off, Billy Bob. Or we'll be watching B-Rolls of you on Fox waiting for a liver transplant from a kiddie.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 13, 2013 04:57 PM (lVPtV)
Posted by: Goats in Syria at June 13, 2013 04:57 PM (cK0tU)
Thanks for the well wishes. The fire is still miles from me and the wind is taking it further away. Who knows what will happen in the next few days. The wife has packed a few things, just in case. We just happen to be close to a pre-evac area.
Posted by: Ronster at June 13, 2013 04:58 PM (xAU1K)
Posted by: Jewells45trying to keep from going crazy at June 13, 2013 04:58 PM (u25eL)
Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/u][/s] at June 13, 2013 04:58 PM (/gHaE)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 13, 2013 04:58 PM (+98Gb)
Posted by: Ripley at June 13, 2013 04:58 PM (SzAZ7)
Posted by: Jewells45trying to keep from going crazy at June 13, 2013 08:56 PM (u25eL
You're welcome, hon. Husband and I should have invested in a liquor store in the Age of Obama.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 13, 2013 04:59 PM (lVPtV)
Add "penalty free insider trading by Congress persons"
Add "special caste of effective royalty for life"
Posted by: Hrothgar at June 13, 2013 04:59 PM (Cnqmv)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 13, 2013 04:59 PM (9Bj8R)
Posted by: baldilocks at June 13, 2013 04:59 PM (Su0W2)
Posted by: Tami[/i][/b][/u][/s] at June 13, 2013 04:59 PM (X6akg)
Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at June 13, 2013 04:59 PM (wR+pz)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 13, 2013 04:59 PM (+98Gb)
Posted by: wooga at June 13, 2013 05:00 PM (kWtJx)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 13, 2013 05:00 PM (lVPtV)
No he's still batshit crazy. U.S. military involvement should be about our nations security and that should be the only reason. Not because we want to help someone. the Obama, McCain faction. Nor is the Paul and Jones faction of, don't get involved or help the Jews because it may come back to bite us a reasonable position.
Posted by: lowandslow at June 13, 2013 05:00 PM (Fz2C7)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 13, 2013 05:00 PM (+98Gb)
Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at June 13, 2013 05:01 PM (n8LUb)
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Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 13, 2013 08:59 PM (lVPtV)
We missed a great investment opportunity:
"AoS Liquor and Ammo Headquarters
All day every day specials on Valu-Rite and .45 ACP!"
Posted by: Hrothgar at June 13, 2013 05:01 PM (Cnqmv)
Get all of your financial records and pictures into a box and put them in your car.
Get a copy of your homeowner's insurance, too.
Then go around looking for irreplacable things like photos, things your kids made, etc.
This will be inconvenient, but a little planning will save you from heartache later.
Posted by: Miss Marple at June 13, 2013 05:02 PM (GoIUi)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 13, 2013 05:02 PM (+98Gb)
Posted by: Ronster at June 13, 2013 05:02 PM (xAU1K)
Posted by: Jordan at June 13, 2013 05:03 PM (SzAZ7)
Posted by: baldilocks at June 13, 2013 08:59 PM (Su0W2
Did you ever watch that Bravo show, "Shahs of Sunset" or whatever?
I suppose it's an antidote to the actual reality we're faced with every day. Which makes me want to shoot myself in the face.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 13, 2013 05:03 PM (lVPtV)
Posted by: Commander-in-Chief McDreamy at June 13, 2013 05:03 PM (G9Mmf)
Posted by: Michael the Hobbit, but you can call me Michael at June 13, 2013 05:04 PM (7cS5n)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 13, 2013 05:04 PM (+98Gb)
First the NSA blackmailed Justice Roberts, Kasich of Ohio, now Brewer
Posted by: Jackj at June 13, 2013 05:05 PM (KLJRT)
Posted by: RWC at June 13, 2013 05:05 PM (Wl/Ht)
Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at June 13, 2013 05:05 PM (wR+pz)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 13, 2013 05:05 PM (+98Gb)
Posted by: tinfoil hats are stylish at June 13, 2013 05:05 PM (V+Pei)
We need code, peoples! Preparation is key! I think one code word, SCOAMF would have worked but is part of urban language now. There is a language here, eleventy, that even the Navajo code-breakers probably scratch their heads like Clapper over. (he has the heartbreak of either psoriasis or worse).
I am considering joining the Amish, as they may have the right idea not to know what is going on.
Posted by: ChristyBlinky is cranky-pants at June 13, 2013 05:06 PM (baL2B)
Posted by: That Guy at June 13, 2013 05:06 PM (EMye6)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 13, 2013 05:06 PM (+98Gb)
Posted by: Tami[/i][/b][/u][/s] at June 13, 2013 05:06 PM (X6akg)
Posted by: NaCly Dog at June 13, 2013 05:06 PM (u82oZ)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 13, 2013 05:07 PM (9Bj8R)
Yes Tami, rain would be great. Nothing much in the forecast.
Good advice Miss Marple. I think my wife has most of that covered.
Posted by: Ronster at June 13, 2013 05:07 PM (xAU1K)
Posted by: Jewells45trying to keep from going crazy at June 13, 2013 05:07 PM (u25eL)
We need code, peoples! Preparation is key! I think one code word, SCOAMF would have worked but is part of urban language now. There is a language here, eleventy, that even the Navajo code-breakers probably scratch their heads like Clapper over. (he has the heartbreak of either psoriasis or worse).
I am considering joining the Amish, as they may have the right idea not to know what is going on.
Posted by: ChristyBlinky is cranky-pants at June 13, 2013 09:06 PM (baL2B)
Wait till we're all sobered up tomorrow.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 13, 2013 05:07 PM (lVPtV)
Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at June 13, 2013 05:08 PM (SzAZ7)
We should help whichever side is losing at any given moment but only to the extant that it enables them to fight on to take and inflict more casualties. There's no scenario where one side winning helps us.
Only as long as those casualties are on the other intramural side. There's no sense arming them if they're going to go all Kumbayah and attack their common enemies.
Posted by: steveegg at June 13, 2013 05:09 PM (o44nj)
Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at June 13, 2013 05:09 PM (wR+pz)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 13, 2013 05:09 PM (9Bj8R)
Posted by: t-dubyah-d at June 13, 2013 05:09 PM (u6lBN)
Posted by: Wonkish Sling Blade says Long live Ferminvax Pejorative at June 13, 2013 05:10 PM (dvRYt)
Posted by: sTevo at June 13, 2013 05:10 PM (jTr5F)
Jewells45trying to keep from going crazy
My thoughts exactly. My daughter will never know the freedom I grew up with. It's a damn shame.
Posted by: Ronster at June 13, 2013 05:10 PM (xAU1K)
"We should help whichever side is losing at any given moment but only to the extant that it enables them to fight on to take and inflict more casualties."
That is quite possibly the stupidest thing I have heard today. There is absolutely no reason we should help either side. In fact when they have exhausted their resources and reserves we should bomb both sides further into the stone age so that Syria's citizens can determine their own destiny.
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at June 13, 2013 05:10 PM (J/5jZ)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 13, 2013 05:10 PM (9Bj8R)
Posted by: Jewells45trying to keep from going crazy at June 13, 2013 05:12 PM (u25eL)
..war powers
No enabling UN resolution on Syria that I can recall. What about that whole International Law thing The O used to go on about?
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at June 13, 2013 05:12 PM (kdS6q)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 13, 2013 05:13 PM (9Bj8R)
I cannot even begin to imagine an up-side to sending our planes over Syria. The hell? Russia is protecting Syria with anti-aircraft guns.
I want to weep and pound my head onto my desk.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 13, 2013 05:13 PM (lVPtV)
Unlike those who flew high and failed, like Anne Boleyn or Napoleon, we are from the peasant stock which survives no matter what. When things get bad, we take care of our own, plant gardens, make do with what we have, and tell our history to our children and grandchildren.
We will persevere. Keep the faith, friends. Do not get discouraged.
Posted by: Miss Marple at June 13, 2013 05:13 PM (GoIUi)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 13, 2013 05:14 PM (+98Gb)
Posted by: Esteban 10077 at June 13, 2013 05:14 PM (d9xMe)
We're at war again. All these Tea Party people will be considered agent provocateurs. Interment is the only answer.
Posted by: JEF at June 13, 2013 05:14 PM (Cs2tJ)
Maybe the Empire of Jeff will take us in as camp refugees.
Posted by: ChristyBlinky is cranky-pants at June 13, 2013 05:15 PM (baL2B)
Posted by: caustic at June 13, 2013 05:15 PM (/b8+5)
Posted by: Jewells45trying to keep from going crazy at June 13, 2013 05:15 PM (u25eL)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 13, 2013 05:15 PM (9Bj8R)
Well, there's a vision. Bin Laden probably begged for the double tap.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 13, 2013 05:15 PM (lVPtV)
Posted by: Tobacco Road at June 13, 2013 05:15 PM (4Mv1T)
Posted by: Tami[/i][/b][/u][/s] at June 13, 2013 05:15 PM (X6akg)
Posted by: holygoat at June 13, 2013 05:15 PM (IGIFh)
Posted by: RWC at June 13, 2013 05:16 PM (Wl/Ht)
Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at June 13, 2013 05:16 PM (SzAZ7)
Posted by: Jewells45trying to keep from going crazy at June 13, 2013 05:16 PM (u25eL)
Posted by: Jewells45trying to keep from going crazy at June 13, 2013 05:17 PM (u25eL)
Posted by: Miss Marple at June 13, 2013 09:13 PM (GoIUi)
Amen!
Posted by: ChristyBlinky is cranky-pants at June 13, 2013 05:17 PM (baL2B)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 13, 2013 05:17 PM (lVPtV)
Really the one single platform in the U.S. inventory that can reliably go in and clean up a nest of those missiles in safety is the B-2 stealth bomber. Of which the Air Force have a whopping nineteen combat coded airframes left.
Posted by: torquewrench at June 13, 2013 05:18 PM (gqT4g)
Posted by: Fritz at June 13, 2013 05:18 PM (G9Mmf)
Posted by: Tami[/i][/b][/u][/s] at June 13, 2013 05:18 PM (X6akg)
Posted by: Jimi Ray at June 13, 2013 05:19 PM (Aif/5)
Posted by: Peace Movement at June 13, 2013 05:20 PM (SzAZ7)
Posted by: Jewells45trying to keep from going crazy at June 13, 2013 05:20 PM (u25eL)
$60 - $100 million trip. Unfuckinbelievable.....
Posted by: Tami at June 13, 2013 09:18 PM (X6akg)
Are you fucking shitting me???? Jeeeebus. Where did you see that???
Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 13, 2013 05:20 PM (lVPtV)
Posted by: BignJames at June 13, 2013 05:21 PM (Sg0G/)
Posted by: Esteban 10077 at June 13, 2013 05:21 PM (d9xMe)
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at June 13, 2013 05:21 PM (mdhED)
Posted by: Jewells45trying to keep from going crazy at June 13, 2013 05:21 PM (u25eL)
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at June 13, 2013 09:21 PM (mdhED)
Because the Muslims are our new Betters.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 13, 2013 05:22 PM (lVPtV)
Posted by: Esteban 10077 at June 13, 2013 05:22 PM (d9xMe)
Posted by: joncelli at June 13, 2013 05:22 PM (vh67+)
Posted by: Tami[/i][/b][/u][/s] at June 13, 2013 05:24 PM (X6akg)
Posted by: Fritz at June 13, 2013 05:24 PM (G9Mmf)
Posted by: Esteban 10077 at June 13, 2013 05:24 PM (d9xMe)
Posted by: Jewells45
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6'11"
376lbs
bald
tatoo of the Kracken on my forehead
Posted by: Tobacco Road at June 13, 2013 09:15 PM (4Mv1T)
Evil and piercing green eyes to my enemies or those I perceive are not morons or family. On bad days, aka this entire regime, I am said to resemble Glenn Close with knife while boiling family bunny. I had this look in the line for stupid Sacre Coeur in Paris when accosted by "n. african" male with "friendship" bracelet for my wrist. Husband said I swung my arm rather viciously. I honestly did not remember that (due to affects of vacation plague and TB). I do remember saying NON! firmly and being po'd that they were irritating me with their blather (they said some word from Lion King or kumbaya, pfft).. I am no one to mess with as I will have DNA under fingernails, y'all. Meanwhile I will whine about the thought of camp.
Posted by: ChristyBlinky is cranky-pants at June 13, 2013 05:25 PM (baL2B)
Posted by: CarolT at June 13, 2013 05:25 PM (s0f54)
Posted by: Tobacco Road at June 13, 2013 05:25 PM (4Mv1T)
Posted by: Wonkish Sling Blade says Long live Ferminvax Pejorative at June 13, 2013 05:26 PM (dvRYt)
Posted by: Tami at June 13, 2013 09:18 PM (X6akg)
It would be worth it to me if they would keep him and crown him emperor. Seriously.
Posted by: ChristyBlinky is cranky-pants at June 13, 2013 05:26 PM (baL2B)
Posted by: Esteban 10077 at June 13, 2013 05:26 PM (d9xMe)
"Because the Muslims are our new Betters."
Well, all the more reason we should let them fight to exhaustion and then destroy the ones left over.
Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at June 13, 2013 05:27 PM (mdhED)
Posted by: Tobacco Road at June 13, 2013 05:28 PM (4Mv1T)
A lot of jet fuel - but not much gas. And, at $4.00 per gallon it is a good deal!
Posted by: Barney F. at June 13, 2013 05:28 PM (m5Tr1)
Please list your height, weight, hair color and any distinguishing marks. Anything other description that will let us know you are one of us.
This seems personal, but for the cause I will give it up.
5'4, 250#, no hair. Birth mark in a private area and I stutter.
Posted by: Ronster at June 13, 2013 05:28 PM (xAU1K)
Posted by: caustic at June 13, 2013 05:30 PM (/b8+5)
Posted by: Michael the Hobbit, but you can call me Michael at June 13, 2013 05:41 PM (7cS5n)
Posted by: LadyS at June 13, 2013 05:46 PM (J6/J5)
I would question our priorities if I thought we had any.
Posted by: Thatch at June 13, 2013 05:53 PM (qYvEa)
I found the use of a few thousand doses of Atropine to treat people convincing enough that some sort of nerve agent was used.
Might have been pro stuff, might have been concentrated insecticide home brew, but when you treat with Atropine and the victim survives, that's pretty solid.
Anyone who's been through BCT knows what Atropine is for.
Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/u][/s] at June 13, 2013 05:58 PM (/gHaE)
Posted by: Esteban 10077 at June 13, 2013 06:02 PM (d9xMe)
Posted by: CarolT at June 13, 2013 06:06 PM (s0f54)
I never said anything about worthiness, NOTHING, only the claims of nerve agent use, which seem credible to me based on what I know of nerve agents, their treatment, and what the US Army taught me.
Who is using the nerve agent is a matter for debate. I have no problem believing the rebels may have used it because of the response people were having. Whatever it is, it was low quality. Surely Assad could manage to whip up some of the good shit, its not that hard.
Maybe the weak effects were good shit degraded by time/heat, or as I mentioned before a home brew using standard commercial insecticides.
My gut says concentrated commercial insecticide, but that's just my gut..
Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/u][/s] at June 13, 2013 06:10 PM (/gHaE)
It would not be the first time some arabs tried to manufacture an atrocity as diner theater for the media and politicians if they did that.
There's no good guys here. We should stay the fuck away from this.
Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/u][/s] at June 13, 2013 06:16 PM (/gHaE)
Posted by: Name at June 13, 2013 06:28 PM (KqnY1)
Posted by: PJ at June 13, 2013 06:47 PM (ZWaLo)
I know, let's do something half-assed and slowly get sucked into a ground war when the something half-assed just leads to worse problems. Then let's stay in there for 8-9 years while the bad guys pick us off one by one.
Then we leave, and it all starts over again.
Who's with me?
Posted by: Meremortal at June 13, 2013 06:49 PM (1Y+hH)
Posted by: Rob in Katy at June 13, 2013 07:31 PM (PiTBB)
Obama is just weak and feckless and talked himself into a corner on this one - his "red line" remark was ad-libbed, which is why they always make President Dufus McSmartypants stick to reading his lines off the teleprompter and not go all Joe Biden, saying whatever idiotic thing pops into his empty head.
Posted by: Adjoran at June 13, 2013 07:37 PM (473jB)
Posted by: Esteban 10077 at June 13, 2013 07:44 PM (6InpM)
Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at June 13, 2013 07:47 PM (SzAZ7)
Thing one: the whole artificial moral thong-twisting over chemical weapons is, always has been, absurd (same for the similar drama over nuclear explosives). Weapons are weapons, no weapon is inherently indiscriminate (bad under law of war and Hague and Geneva), now weapon is inherently discriminate (good under same rules). So for a great (formerly great) power to act ostensibly because of some moral "red line" on this is - for our times - characteristically idiotic. They also aren't particularly good weapons for terrorism, no better than most others (the Japanese subway car would have seen far more horror and death if Shimryuku had used a couple of sub-machine guns or frag grenades in place of homemade sarin).
Thing two: it's not about good guys (rarely is), it's about US interests. Fall of Assad, gigantic strategic blow to Tehran = US interests.
Thing three: oh noes but the rebels are bad people, AQ, etc etc. OK. Partly true. Very unlikely any really nasty elements could take and hold power in anything resembling modern Syria - jihadis will face nearly endless war against them if they clamber to the top of the hill. Syria - always the weakest of the "confrontation states," even in the good ol' days of Daddy Assad and Brezhnev, will not be a player in any game of consequence for a long time now.
Thing four: none of the foregoing defines an obvious course of action for the US. No need to aid the rebels, no need to avoid doing so. Arab money and assistance from intel services of several states and skill of rebels and cohesion of Assad regime will determine outcome, not US actions/inaction.
Posted by: non-purist at June 13, 2013 08:00 PM (afQnV)
Posted by: JohnKerryIsADoucheBag at June 13, 2013 08:25 PM (6sqK6)
Posted by: specialkayel at June 13, 2013 09:26 PM (X7kBP)
Posted by: SFGoth at June 13, 2013 10:29 PM (KpuSI)
Posted by: [/i][/b][/s]akula_51 at June 13, 2013 10:37 PM (Vgn84)
I have asked the NSA to decrypt those emails and forward the readable contents to me.
I see most of the emails are from the White House. If Barky thinks I will standby and let one of my clean shaven male concubines be screwed for pleasure - then think again!
I will not let one of well paid underage prostitutes be used or even - gasp - be abused by Barky! There will be trouble!
It is hard engough kepting my underage prostitutes in my apartment in DC. I will not let Barky use them like a small female dog ...without my consent. Good day.
Posted by: Barney F. at June 14, 2013 01:08 AM (m5Tr1)
Posted by: my head hurts at June 14, 2013 01:21 AM (V+Pei)
Posted by: perturbed at June 14, 2013 04:07 AM (u6Ueb)
Posted by: anonymous irishman at June 14, 2013 05:26 AM (DJgfL)
Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie ® at June 14, 2013 05:28 AM (1hM1d)
--Seems to be the common denominator of this thread. "Who gives a good goddamn about the desert Irish. They'll just go on bombing each other anyway." As though preventing massacres and US/Western national interests are mostly discrete entities.
Leaving the Bosnian, Lebanese, Somali, and Afghan civil wars to fester on their own worked so well in the past. And of course, as we well know, half-assed, half-hearted, ill-defined interventions in two of the four made NATO popular *and* relevant in regional security there, and paying little to no attention to the last was also a great move.
Posted by: max schwanzfeldt at June 14, 2013 06:07 AM (N2MjN)
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