December 11, 2013
— Ace I hate that I'm even mentioning this fake story. I'm linking the Telegraph here, not Time.
As I said, Time made this call to push their left-wing political agenda, and also to achieve their secondary goal, which is selling magazines and making money.
Their precis on Pope Francis highlights only his usefulness as a spokesman for social justice and wealth redistribution. They claim that he's not interested in the "doctrinal" matters that his predecessors were.
Time's headline and subhed:
Pope Francis, The PeopleÂ’s PopeHe took the name of a humble saint and then called for a church of healing. The first non-European pope in 1,200 years is poised to transform a place that measures change by the century
Time's interest: One part Power to the People agitation, one part multiculti uplift. Sprinkle liberally with a call for Hope and Change.
"What makes this Pope so important is the speed with which he has captured the imaginations of millions who had given up on hoping for the church at all," Time magazine said in announcing the winner."
, the buck-passing infighting over lines of authority when all the while (to borrow from Milton), “the hungry Sheep look up, and are not fed.” "In a matter of months, Francis has elevated the healing mission of the church—the church as servant and comforter of hurting people in an often harsh world—above the doctrinal police work so important to his recent predecessors. John Paul II and Benedict XVI were professors of theology. Francis is a former janitor, nightclub bouncer, chemical technician and literature teacher."
One of us.
And as I said: Social Issues You Guys.
He is quoted saying of women who consider abortion because of poverty or rape, “Who can remain unmoved before such painful situations?” Of gay people: “If a homosexual person is of good will and is in search of God, I am no one to judge.” To divorced and remarried Catholics who are, by rule, forbidden from taking Communion, he says that this crucial rite “is not a prize for the perfect but a powerful medicine and nourishment for the weak.”
I don't quote Time to knock the Pope, or offer any opinions on his leadership of the Church at all.
I only quote Time to mock Time, to note how predictable they are. I predicted this yesterday, including the reasons they'd offer for their choice.
This is not because I am good at prediction; this is because the leftwing media is so very kneejerk and predictable. They claim to be neutral and objective. And yet someone can predict every single one of their news judgements by proceeding from the rule that they will make whichever judgement best serves the Progressive Socialist Transnationalist Cause.
Suppose I'm in a shady casino. I'm playing craps. I'm given a pair of dice by the pit boss, to throw to determine the results of a particularly large bet. I object and say I believe the dice are loaded, and will come up craps. He insists they are fair dice, and could come up with any dice tally.
If my prediction -- that the dice will come up craps on anything important -- is always correct, that casts a great deal of doubt on crooked house's claim that the dice are fair, doesn't it? They claim any score can come up; I claim it will always come up craps when they need it.
If it always comes up craps, then I am right, and they are lying.
If they're not actually in service of the Progressive Socialist Transnationaist cause, why is it that any moderately-informed observer can predict every single one of their judgements by employing this rule?
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Posted by: Heywood Jablowme at December 11, 2013 10:04 AM (jsWA8)
The media's job now is to prop up the President so our world standing isn't diminished any more now that Bush is gone. Before, the media's job was to speak truth to power, thereby propping up our world standing which Bush was threatening.
/typical lib
Posted by: Washington Nearsider at December 11, 2013 10:05 AM (fwARV)
Posted by: Heywood Jablowme at December 11, 2013 10:05 AM (jsWA8)
Posted by: joncelli at December 11, 2013 10:06 AM (RD7QR)
Posted by: Heywood Jablowme at December 11, 2013 10:06 AM (jsWA8)
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at December 11, 2013 10:07 AM (79zi+)
They take these quotes of his, and act as though any of it is revolutionizing the world of Catholic thought. But he is completely in line with what the Church teaches on these issues, and in line with what B-XVI and JP-II would have said.
So, yeah... yawn.
Posted by: dan-O at December 11, 2013 10:07 AM (D0bIN)
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Posted by: Kinley Ardal at December 11, 2013 10:08 AM (kM76g)
Posted by: rickb223 at December 11, 2013 10:08 AM (cUARf)
Posted by: joncelli at December 11, 2013 10:08 AM (RD7QR)
Posted by: Kinley Ardal at December 11, 2013 10:08 AM (kM76g)
Posted by: brak at December 11, 2013 10:09 AM (NaTky)
Posted by: JackStraw at December 11, 2013 10:09 AM (g1DWB)
Posted by: rickb223 at December 11, 2013 10:09 AM (cUARf)
Fuck them.
Posted by: Tex Lovera at December 11, 2013 10:10 AM (wtvvX)
Posted by: hello, it's me also a creep-assed cracka.. at December 11, 2013 10:10 AM (9+ccr)
Posted by: Barack Obama at December 11, 2013 10:10 AM (/FnUH)
Posted by: AmishDude at December 11, 2013 10:11 AM (T0NGe)
Posted by: Ncj at December 11, 2013 10:11 AM (dqux0)
No way, the actual man of the year is the Dutch guy who finally made... wait for it... the flying car!
Yes, the thing we have been promised all these years, is finally a reality.
http://autos.aol.com/article/dutch-flying-car-available-for-sale/
That's my man of the year.
Posted by: Guy who's finally satisfied. at December 11, 2013 10:11 AM (IX7iP)
Posted by: D-Lamp at December 11, 2013 10:11 AM (bb5+k)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 11, 2013 10:11 AM (8ZskC)
When he's not pushing class-warfare, Marxist nonsense about the gap between the rich and poor, he's saying absurd things like you don't need to believe in God to go to Heaven or that its not his place to speak out against homosexual priests.
Of course, even though liberals finally got one of their own as the Pope, I don't see a huge influx of liberals pouring into the Catholic Church.
Posted by: McAdams at December 11, 2013 10:12 AM (2TMCu)
Posted by: garrett at December 11, 2013 10:12 AM (HkeqY)
Posted by: toby928© of the banned at December 11, 2013 10:12 AM (evdj2)
Posted by: rickb223 at December 11, 2013 10:12 AM (cUARf)
Posted by: AmishDude at December 11, 2013 10:13 AM (T0NGe)
A priest , a rabbi and a minister walk out of a bar.
The priest says to the other two , " I've never done this before. Does it feel weird to you ?"
Posted by: polynikes I just can't stop at December 11, 2013 10:13 AM (m2CN7)
Why can't he just be a really hot thing that they just happened to notice coming across the wire a lot? Do you have access to their wire? Maybe he's been on it a lot and thus he's hot?
A "really hot thing that they just happened to notice?"
How long has he been Pope?
Did Time not send any correspondents to the Vatican?
Did they not cover Benedict's abdication?
Can you walk and breathe at the same time?
Posted by: The Couch at December 11, 2013 10:13 AM (zF6Iw)
Posted by: Tex Lovera at December 11, 2013 10:13 AM (wtvvX)
Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at December 11, 2013 10:13 AM (V3kRK)
Posted by: kathysaysso at December 11, 2013 10:14 AM (6H6o8)
Posted by: Mike Bloomfield at December 11, 2013 10:14 AM (HkeqY)
Posted by: Barack Obama at December 11, 2013 10:14 AM (/FnUH)
Posted by: dantesed at December 11, 2013 10:14 AM (PWf1E)
Posted by: 1bulwetweft - doom, Doom, and MORE DOOM at December 11, 2013 10:14 AM (d2CZd)
Posted by: Heywood Jablowme at December 11, 2013 10:14 AM (jsWA8)
That ranks on the Profundity Scale slightly below the historic declaration of Emil Faber that "Knowledge is Good."
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 11, 2013 10:15 AM (8ZskC)
Posted by: Rio Bravo at December 11, 2013 10:15 AM (yFFC0)
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at December 11, 2013 10:15 AM (zF6Iw)
Posted by: Kent Brockman at December 11, 2013 10:15 AM (/Crba)
Posted by: polynikes I just can't stop at December 11, 2013 10:16 AM (m2CN7)
Posted by: JackStraw at December 11, 2013 10:16 AM (g1DWB)
Hey Ace have you seen this:
http://tinyurl.com/q4lquoh
The Sign Language Interpreter that was hired for the Mandela Memorial, and stood right next to all the speakers, was a total fake. All the gestures he was doing were total nonsense. And there is now a "Man Hunt" for the dude.
This guy is my new hero.
Posted by: dan-O at December 11, 2013 10:16 AM (D0bIN)
Posted by: hello, it's me also a creep-assed cracka.. at December 11, 2013 10:16 AM (9+ccr)
Posted by: Ncj at December 11, 2013 10:16 AM (dqux0)
Posted by: AmishDude at December 11, 2013 10:16 AM (T0NGe)
Posted by: Queequeg the Harpooner at December 11, 2013 10:16 AM (O7OxF)
It has several examples of how he gets misquoted (by Satan).
Entertaining and informative.
Posted by: mackerel snapper at December 11, 2013 10:17 AM (IX7iP)
Posted by: jwest at December 11, 2013 10:17 AM (u2a4R)
Posted by: Franch Dressing at December 11, 2013 10:17 AM (ZPrif)
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at December 11, 2013 10:17 AM (/Crba)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at December 11, 2013 10:17 AM (8ZskC)
Socialism inspired by Christian values has brought about the monstrosity that was the Soviet Union.
Look at an aerial view of Korea at night and notice where the lights are.
And then you can tell the Catholic Church that they can shove their socialism bullshit and will they finally realize that CAPITALISM is the reflection of the faith.
How fucking hard is this. The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
Posted by: prescient11 at December 11, 2013 10:18 AM (tVTLU)
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at December 11, 2013 10:18 AM (/Crba)
Posted by: Minnfidel at December 11, 2013 10:18 AM (5M2+1)
THAT is just too damn funny! I can picture Garret Morris doing something like this on SNL (in its funnier days).
Posted by: 1bulwetweft - doom, Doom, and MORE DOOM at December 11, 2013 10:18 AM (d2CZd)
Don't drink the kool-aid, bro. This is a bunch of nonsense.
Posted by: dan-O at December 11, 2013 10:18 AM (D0bIN)
I think I figured out, Francis is from a 3rd-world backwater and is out of it. He's behind the times and really thinks these PC tropes will make him and the Church look Nice. So 1970!
John Paul II and Benedict were wise to that shit.
Posted by: Jeanne of the North at December 11, 2013 10:18 AM (GdalM)
Posted by: Heywood Jablowme at December 11, 2013 10:18 AM (jsWA8)
How many divisions was that again, comrade?
Posted by: Zombie Joe Stalin at December 11, 2013 10:19 AM (8ZskC)
FIFY.
Posted by: Tex Lovera at December 11, 2013 02:12 PM (wtvvX)
And Francis's parents are Italian immigrants to Argentina.
Posted by: buzzion at December 11, 2013 10:19 AM (LI48c)
Posted by: Franch Dressing at December 11, 2013 10:19 AM (ZPrif)
Posted by: jwest at December 11, 2013 02:17 PM (u2a4R)
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I would suggest they are probably not at the polo clubhouse.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at December 11, 2013 10:19 AM (79zi+)
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at December 11, 2013 10:20 AM (/Crba)
A neat metaphor for the dawning realization of the Obama flameout.
Baaaaa! Moar free shit! Baaaaaa! What, no moar free shit? BAAAAAA!!!!!!
Posted by: torquewrench at December 11, 2013 10:20 AM (gqT4g)
Posted by: Mike Bloomfield at December 11, 2013 10:20 AM (HkeqY)
Posted by: Rio Bravo at December 11, 2013 10:20 AM (yFFC0)
Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) No Really! at December 11, 2013 10:20 AM (GaqMa)
Who could have guessed it?
Cordially...
Posted by: Rick at December 11, 2013 10:20 AM (mOQjx)
Posted by: Fascism at December 11, 2013 10:20 AM (/Crba)
But we Lutherans can enjoy it with ham on any day we please. Which is most of them.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at December 11, 2013 10:20 AM (SY2Kh)
Posted by: Minnfidel at December 11, 2013 10:21 AM (5M2+1)
If it always comes up craps, then I am right, and they are lying.
Statistics not only allows coincidence it guarantees it.
But, they are lying.
Posted by: DaveA[/i][/b][/s] at December 11, 2013 10:21 AM (DL2i+)
Posted by: rickb223 at December 11, 2013 10:21 AM (cUARf)
Posted by: David Gillies at December 11, 2013 10:21 AM (ECf6n)
Posted by: Garrett Morris at December 11, 2013 10:22 AM (/Crba)
Posted by: Guido - 'now with 75+% more hate!' at December 11, 2013 10:22 AM (LsF5M)
Posted by: AmishDude at December 11, 2013 10:22 AM (T0NGe)
He is quoted saying of women who consider abortion because of poverty or rape, “Who can remain unmoved before such painful situations?”
He does not say that they should get an abortion.
Of gay people: “If a homosexual person is of good will and is in search of God, I am no one to judge.”
He does not say that homosexuality is not a sin.
To divorced and remarried Catholics who are, by rule, forbidden from taking Communion, he says that this crucial rite “is not a prize for the perfect but a powerful medicine and nourishment for the weak.”
He does not say that they have not sinned by getting divorced and remarried and can thus take communion.
Posted by: buzzion at December 11, 2013 10:22 AM (LI48c)
Posted by: Jay at December 11, 2013 10:22 AM (ipxix)
Posted by: Jean at December 11, 2013 10:22 AM (4JkHl)
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 11, 2013 10:23 AM (oJ5Fd)
I'm pretty sure Blessed JPII was a professor of philosophy.
Posted by: mrp at December 11, 2013 10:23 AM (HjPtV)
Neither do Lutherans.
Jello with carrots is SALAD, not dessert.
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at December 11, 2013 10:24 AM (ZKzrr)
Posted by: Heywood Jablowme at December 11, 2013 10:24 AM (jsWA8)
He does not say that they should get anabortion.
Of gay people: “If a homosexual person is of good will and is in search of God, I am no one to judge.”
He does not say that homosexuality isnot a sin.
To divorced and remarried Catholics who are, by rule, forbidden from taking Communion, he says that this crucial rite “is not a prize for the perfect but a powerful medicine and nourishment for the weak.”
He does not say that they have not sinned by getting divorced and remarried and can thus take communion.
Posted by: buzzion
Note immediately that the presstitutes didn't provide complete quotes. If Francis were truly a progressive champion, Obama wouldn't have downgraded our diplomatic status.
Posted by: Jean at December 11, 2013 10:24 AM (4JkHl)
didn't need vetting. Some his moves looked like a Village People routine.Posted by: Guido - 'now with 75+% more hate!' at December 11, 2013 10:24 AM (LsF5M)
Posted by: AmishDude at December 11, 2013 10:25 AM (T0NGe)
Glad I'm not Catholic, or I'd be writing some very nasty notes to the king of the church.
Francis may not believe this and was just, as someone mentioned above, just trying to sound nice and compassionate. I think he isn't too well versed at what's really going on in the world. Or he may be just stupid.
Posted by: Soona at December 11, 2013 10:25 AM (Tx68O)
Posted by: Father Guido Sarducci at December 11, 2013 10:25 AM (d2CZd)
Posted by: Minnfidel at December 11, 2013 10:25 AM (5M2+1)
Posted by: rickb223 at December 11, 2013 10:26 AM (cUARf)
Posted by: dan-O
I've heard a few conservative Catholics make the case this is all a media distortion, but I don't buy it. The Pope has had numerous opportunities to set the record straight when the media has jumped on his statements with all the fanfare.
The new Pope is a Leftie and is eating up the praise from the MSM.
I'll change my view when the Pope starts preaching actual Catholic doctrine instead of New Age nonsense that isn't politically correct.
Posted by: McAdams at December 11, 2013 10:26 AM (2TMCu)
"As I said, Time made this call to push their left-wing political agenda,"
Then they are failing at it.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Death Capades - ObamaCare on Ice! Sponsored by the Outrage Outlet at December 11, 2013 10:26 AM (hLRSq)
He should have worn a sideways baseball cap and thrown out gang signs.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at December 11, 2013 10:26 AM (S+wJC)
Posted by: Dr. Jesse Pinkman at December 11, 2013 10:26 AM (h4eud)
But on substance and actual Church doctrine, Francis has not changed a thing. NOT ONE THING! He is entirely faithful and reaffirming of the [anti-communist, anti-socialist] policies of JP2. 100%.
It is great that he lives in a modest apartment and drives his own older car to work. Humility and self-denial are virtues which cannot hurt his performance. But to believe he is some sort of revolutionary is just flat WRONG.
Posted by: Adjoran at December 11, 2013 10:27 AM (473jB)
Posted by: Daybrother at December 11, 2013 10:27 AM (a9lwP)
Posted by: Rio Bravo at December 11, 2013 10:27 AM (13IVx)
Posted by: rickb223 at December 11, 2013 10:27 AM (cUARf)
Posted by: Ncj at December 11, 2013 02:11 PM (dqux0)
Because the Roman Catholic Church is traditionally all up in OUR shit.
That being said....I would love an analysis of the new pope's comments to be interpreted by an authority on Church writing, instead of a fucking retard J-school grad who is ignorant of everything except his multi-culti-cred.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 11, 2013 10:27 AM (oJ5Fd)
Posted by: Minnfidel at December 11, 2013 02:25 PM (5M2+1)
Obama might need one to interpret Mooch's gaze...
Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at December 11, 2013 10:27 AM (Z5KPR)
The new Pope is a Leftie and is eating up the praise from the MSM.
I'll change my view when the Pope starts preaching actual Catholic doctrine instead of New Age nonsense that isn't politically correct.
Posted by: McAdams at December 11, 2013 02:26 PM (2TMCu)
And the pope should care about what dipshit atheist press whores in the United States are saying, why exactly?
Posted by: buzzion at December 11, 2013 10:28 AM (LI48c)
Posted by: Lincolntf at December 11, 2013 10:28 AM (ZshNr)
Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) No Really! at December 11, 2013 10:28 AM (GaqMa)
Carrot Bukake
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_DkwFi9jnQ Posted by: Mike Bloomfield
Vegan Porn!
Posted by: Jean at December 11, 2013 10:28 AM (4JkHl)
Posted by: AmishDude at December 11, 2013 10:28 AM (T0NGe)
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at December 11, 2013 10:28 AM (/Crba)
Posted by: Franch Dressing at December 11, 2013 10:28 AM (ZPrif)
Posted by: AmishDude at December 11, 2013 02:25 PM (T0NGe)
You speak Hebrew?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 11, 2013 10:28 AM (oJ5Fd)
Posted by: Ncj at December 11, 2013 10:29 AM (dqux0)
.Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) No Really! at December 11, 2013 10:29 AM (GaqMa)
Screw you for beating me to that joke.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 11, 2013 10:29 AM (oJ5Fd)
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Death Capades - ObamaCare on Ice! Sponsored by the Outrage Outlet at December 11, 2013 10:29 AM (hLRSq)
Do a Garrett Morris shout-out.
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at December 11, 2013 10:29 AM (S+wJC)
Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) No Really! at December 11, 2013 10:29 AM (GaqMa)
It's the same type of cargo cult thinking that will eventually destroy the New South Africa. All we need to do is perform the ritual motions, and presto! Job complete!
I talked with someone who had worked in SA recently. They informed me that the country no longer has enough trained technical talent to even keep their electrical infrastructure up and running. It's being frantically patched and rigged with Rube Goldberg fixes by expatriate contractors from... Pakistan. Yeah, that'll work out for the best, you can be sure.
Posted by: torquewrench at December 11, 2013 10:30 AM (gqT4g)
Posted by: nerdygirl at December 11, 2013 10:30 AM (ISuF5)
Is it possible there may be in many of them one tiny little unquiet spark of shame and seeks to still that voice by saying "But (name of institution) is alright with it so there is nothing to be ashamed of."
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No, they just strive for uninamity on socialist doctrine.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at December 11, 2013 10:30 AM (79zi+)
*somersaults into thread* Whew! I forgot today was Senior Discount Day at Joann Fabric. Those grannies will mow you down soon as look at you if you get between them and a good deal on yarn!
I see that in my absence I missed a thread that would ahve given me the opportunity again to mock, laugh at, and otherwise deride my stupid bitch Senator Jeanne Shaheen. Damn.
And now this about the "Time" magazine choice of the Pope. I love how their selection of his quotes, which they use to imply that he is somehow undermining centuries of Catholic dogma, are so clearly being misread. I mean, this:
He is quoted saying of women who consider abortion because of poverty or rape, “Who can remain unmoved before such painful situations?”
By which Time is implicity saying, "THE POPE IS OKAY WITH ABORTION!" Except that's not what he's saying. You'd have to have a heart of stone to not be moved by a rape victim's plight, or the money woes of a poor person who doesn't feel they can afford to feed another mouth at the table. But that's not the same as saying, "WOO-HOO, abortion for everyone! WOO!"
They're such transparent idiots, it's amazing they can see themselves in the mirror in the morning.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/i][/u] at December 11, 2013 10:30 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Barakhenaten I at December 11, 2013 10:30 AM (HkeqY)
Posted by: Northernlurker, moron wannabe at December 11, 2013 10:30 AM (BLAfs)
Posted by: rickb223 at December 11, 2013 10:31 AM (cUARf)
Posted by: Franch Dressing at December 11, 2013 10:31 AM (ZPrif)
This is also a not-so-silent slam against Old White Hateful Guy B16. Only the left can make bestowing an award an act of division and shitfulness.
Posted by: Filly at December 11, 2013 10:31 AM (Zo+R6)
Posted by: Ncj at December 11, 2013 10:32 AM (dqux0)
Posted by: m at December 11, 2013 10:32 AM (omrQI)
Posted by: AmishDude at December 11, 2013 10:32 AM (T0NGe)
Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) No Really! at December 11, 2013 10:33 AM (GaqMa)
If TIME were a real magazine (what's a magazine? is that a gun thing?) they would have made healthcare.gov the "person" of the year.
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I think that was the plan, up until November 1. They had to make a quick re-write.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at December 11, 2013 10:33 AM (79zi+)
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at December 11, 2013 10:33 AM (f9c2L)
He's the fucking pope
What he wants BECOMES doctrine
I'm not Catholic, but I'm pretty sure that's a heaping pile of BS.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/i][/u] at December 11, 2013 10:33 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: rickb223 at December 11, 2013 10:34 AM (cUARf)
Posted by: WalrusRex at December 11, 2013 10:35 AM (Hx5uv)
Posted by: Fake Sign Language Guy at December 11, 2013 10:35 AM (MMC8r)
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at December 11, 2013 10:35 AM (QMRMM)
Posted by: akula51[/b][/i][/s] at December 11, 2013 10:35 AM (1Sw7Y)
Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) No Really! at December 11, 2013 10:35 AM (GaqMa)
Luce, who remained editor-in-chief of all his publications until 1964, maintained a position as an influential member of the Republican Party
It has been reported that Luce, during the 1960s tried LSD and reported that he had talked to God under its influence
An old school Moron. Probably should've checked whatisnames rule about institutions turning left.
Posted by: DaveA[/i][/b][/s] at December 11, 2013 10:35 AM (DL2i+)
They got hammered by a solar storm that really hit thier infrastructure a few years back. Recovery has been painful.
Posted by: Jean at December 11, 2013 10:36 AM (4JkHl)
Posted by: Minnfidel at December 11, 2013 10:36 AM (5M2+1)
The real doctrine of the Catholic Church also explicitly condemns communism.
Posted by: Filly at December 11, 2013 10:36 AM (Zo+R6)
Posted by: Guido Sarducci at December 11, 2013 10:36 AM (LsF5M)
Absolutely!
Throw in a couple of Marx Brothers routines and a quote from Disraeli, and I'll schedule your Brit Milah for Sunday.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 11, 2013 10:36 AM (oJ5Fd)
Posted by: Ncj at December 11, 2013 10:36 AM (dqux0)
And you can almost hear there disappointment considering what you just quoted.
Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) No Really! at December 11, 2013 02:33 PM (GaqMa)
They're clutching desperately at the possibility that he's a Latin-American commie at heart. That's they're shining hope. If he jsut gives them THAT MUCH, then they'll forgive his other transgressions.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/i][/u] at December 11, 2013 10:36 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Oschisms at December 11, 2013 10:36 AM (y9dfJ)
Posted by: MSM at December 11, 2013 10:37 AM (K+6a7)
Posted by: zombie at December 11, 2013 10:37 AM (+cx5n)
Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) No Really! at December 11, 2013 10:38 AM (GaqMa)
Posted by: Franch Dressing at December 11, 2013 10:38 AM (ZPrif)
We don't listen to the MSM anymore, what makes you think the Pope does.
Posted by: Jean at December 11, 2013 10:38 AM (4JkHl)
Posted by: Minnfidel at December 11, 2013 10:38 AM (5M2+1)
Posted by: Ncj at December 11, 2013 10:39 AM (dqux0)
Then He gave the assembled multitudes "knuckles", laughed and said: "BOOM!" in His most Heavenly Voice.
It was awesome.
Posted by: Sharkman at December 11, 2013 10:39 AM (TM1p8)
Posted by: AmishDude at December 11, 2013 10:39 AM (T0NGe)
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Rounding Error Extraordinaire at December 11, 2013 10:39 AM (8sVfu)
What he wants BECOMES doctrine
I'm not Catholic, but I'm pretty sure that's a heaping pile of BS.
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I am Catholic, and you are correct. The Pope cannot and does not make up doctrine out of his ass. He reinforces what it has believed for 2000 years.
Posted by: Filly at December 11, 2013 10:40 AM (Zo+R6)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 11, 2013 10:40 AM (DmNpO)
Posted by: Andy Dufresne at December 11, 2013 10:40 AM (Pr6hk)
Posted by: (T)expat - West Africa Time at December 11, 2013 10:40 AM (dLyLH)
I don't think that was very nice at all.
After all, it's how they feel about the topic...not the actual results of their efforts.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 11, 2013 10:41 AM (oJ5Fd)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 11, 2013 10:41 AM (DmNpO)
Posted by: --- at December 11, 2013 10:41 AM (MMC8r)
My thoughts exactly!
Although they probably have copies of Bartlett's Quotations floating around.....
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 11, 2013 10:42 AM (oJ5Fd)
Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) No Really! at December 11, 2013 10:42 AM (GaqMa)
Posted by: Minnfidel at December 11, 2013 10:42 AM (5M2+1)
118. News flash
He's the fucking pope
What he wants BECOMES doctrine
Posted by: Ncj at December 11, 2013 02:29 PM (dqux0)
No, it doesn't.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at December 11, 2013 10:42 AM (zF6Iw)
Posted by: Northernlurker, moron wannabe at December 11, 2013 10:42 AM (BLAfs)
Posted by: Franch Dressing at December 11, 2013 10:42 AM (ZPrif)
Posted by: zombie at December 11, 2013 02:37 PM (+cx5n)
AWESOME, zombie! I remember reading your original post last year and shaking my head with disbelief.
When I think of the poor students whose painstaking agricultural research was interrupted or flat out ruined by these childish "protesters," it makes me want to scream!
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/i][/u] at December 11, 2013 10:42 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: --- at December 11, 2013 02:41 PM (MMC8r)
Well...he wrote Minx 0.7 Alpha.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 11, 2013 10:42 AM (oJ5Fd)
Posted by: Minnfidel at December 11, 2013 10:43 AM (5M2+1)
Posted by: President Barack Obama at December 11, 2013 10:43 AM (7ObY1)
He sets papal law
It's not democracy
This is the man who can send a catholic to hell
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You are correct that the Church is not a democracy.
You are not correct that there even is such a thing as "papal law."
The Church has also held from the beginning that a Pope or anyone else can "send people to hell." People send themselves there by choosing to sin of their own free will.
Posted by: Filly at December 11, 2013 10:43 AM (Zo+R6)
Posted by: Dr. Jesse Pinkman at December 11, 2013 10:44 AM (h4eud)
Posted by: (T)expat - West Africa Time at December 11, 2013 10:44 AM (dLyLH)
Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) No Really! at December 11, 2013 02:42 PM (GaqMa)
Binary for the win!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 11, 2013 10:44 AM (oJ5Fd)
Posted by: Ncj at December 11, 2013 10:44 AM (dqux0)
Posted by: Buzzion at December 11, 2013 10:45 AM (1x12Y)
Posted by: rickb223 at December 11, 2013 10:45 AM (cUARf)
Posted by: BlueStateRebel at December 11, 2013 10:45 AM (7ObY1)
The Sign Language Interpreter that was hired for the Mandela Memorial, and stood right next to all the speakers, was a total fake. All the gestures he was doing were total nonsense. And there is now a "Man Hunt" for the dude.
I bet he was filling in for his buddy who had to go do something else and ditched at the last minute. "Hey, pal - can you take this gig for me? I've got to see a girl. It's okay, no one's going to pay attention to you anyway. Just make shit up. Bye!"
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/i][/u] at December 11, 2013 10:45 AM (4df7R)
He's the fucking pope
What he wants BECOMES doctrine Posted by: Ncj
No. Influence yes, particularly by his selection of bishops and cardinals.
Posted by: Jean at December 11, 2013 10:45 AM (4JkHl)
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here)-also drooling imbecile incapable of doing algebra or something at December 11, 2013 10:46 AM (659DL)
Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) No Really! at December 11, 2013 10:46 AM (GaqMa)
Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) No Really! at December 11, 2013 02:29 PM (GaqMa)
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He's the pope. He can do what he damn well pleases. And that's woven into that 2000 year history too.
Posted by: Soona at December 11, 2013 10:46 AM (Tx68O)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 11, 2013 10:46 AM (zfY+H)
According to the article they have video of the same guy doing the same thing in the past, but somehow he never got called out on it.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at December 11, 2013 10:46 AM (SY2Kh)
Posted by: Gilgamek Cardinal at December 11, 2013 10:46 AM (/Crba)
48: "I'm always amazed at non-Catholics telling Catholics what their beliefs should be. It is truly mind defying logic."
Kind of like non-Texans telling Texans how to elect their senators.
Next up: Chicago residents express genuine interest in what Texans think about what makes a good pizza.
Posted by: Azenogoth at December 11, 2013 10:47 AM (/qzu7)
Posted by: Ncj at December 11, 2013 10:47 AM (dqux0)
118. News flash He's the fucking pope
What he wants BECOMES doctrine
Posted by: Ncj at December 11, 2013 02:29 PM (dqux0)
Here's a thought experiment: Alexander VI wanted to bang hookers, women of quality and, if rumor is to be believed, his own daughter. So why didn't he make adultery and incest doctrine?
After all - he was the fucking pope!
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at December 11, 2013 10:47 AM (zF6Iw)
Posted by: Minnfidel at December 11, 2013 10:47 AM (5M2+1)
Posted by: dogfish at December 11, 2013 10:47 AM (nsOJa)
Posted by: AmishDude at December 11, 2013 10:47 AM (T0NGe)
Posted by: (T)expat - West Africa Time at December 11, 2013 02:40 PM (dLyLH)
I'll bet you even money some commie professor in J-school used that quote at one point, and the author's been dying to use it him/herself ever since.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/i][/u] at December 11, 2013 10:47 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Weary and Wary at December 11, 2013 10:48 AM (kXoT0)
Posted by: Buzzion at December 11, 2013 02:45 PM (1x12Y)
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I like that.
Posted by: Face-sized spider at December 11, 2013 10:48 AM (Tx68O)
Posted by: 01001000 01100101 01100001 01110100 01101000 01100101 01110010 01010010 01100001 01100100 01101001 0 at December 11, 2013 10:49 AM (ZKzrr)
Posted by: Michael Corleone at December 11, 2013 10:49 AM (/Crba)
Posted by: Ncj at December 11, 2013 10:49 AM (dqux0)
Posted by: zombie at December 11, 2013 10:49 AM (+cx5n)
Posted by: Bender Bending Rodriguez at December 11, 2013 10:50 AM (/Crba)
Posted by: Jean at December 11, 2013 10:50 AM (4JkHl)
203. You guys are heathens
How about you go to the vatican's website and look up papal powers
I'll wait over here---->
Posted by: Ncj at December 11, 2013 02:47 PM (dqux0)
Somehow, I have the feeling you're one of those people who thinks Pius IX woke up first thing in the morning and decided on the doctrine of Papal Infallibility by pulling it our of his ass.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at December 11, 2013 10:50 AM (zF6Iw)
You really don't think the Pope cares if the news media around the world is misinterpreting his words? Don't you understand that outreach is probably the most important part of the Pope's job?
Unless the Pope's a complete idiot, he knows what he's doing and the signals he's sending.
Again, I hope I'm wrong and the Pope is indeed Catholic because I think it's important for the world to have a Catholic Church that doesn't go into some sort of New Age direction that many Churches like say the Episcopalians have, but I'm not holding my breath.
Posted by: McAdams at December 11, 2013 10:50 AM (2TMCu)
Bell book and candle, bitchez!
Posted by: Pope Alexander VI at December 11, 2013 10:51 AM (8ZskC)
Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at December 11, 2013 10:51 AM (WdbF7)
Posted by: Heywood Jablowme at December 11, 2013 10:51 AM (jsWA8)
Or made jerking-off motions. That would have been funneh.
Posted by: toby928© of the banned at December 11, 2013 10:51 AM (evdj2)
Posted by: Franch Dressing at December 11, 2013 10:51 AM (ZPrif)
Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) No Really! at December 11, 2013 10:52 AM (GaqMa)
It's an abominable set of ideas and I'm sick to fucking death of hearing it.
Posted by: grognard at December 11, 2013 10:53 AM (/29Nl)
There is a pic on 'TheBlaze' where Obama is speaking and sign language guy appears to cut his own throat with a smile on his face.
Posted by: Who's yer daddy? at December 11, 2013 10:53 AM (GxT2q)
http://tinyurl.com/locf3er
and confirmation on the Mandela sign language thing, of course from a British paper.
Posted by: Jean at December 11, 2013 10:54 AM (4JkHl)
Posted by: zombie at December 11, 2013 10:54 AM (+cx5n)
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at December 11, 2013 10:54 AM (79zi+)
Posted by: Lincolntf at December 11, 2013 10:54 AM (ZshNr)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at December 11, 2013 10:54 AM (DmNpO)
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at December 11, 2013 10:55 AM (/Crba)
The Pope walks into a bar and orders Absolution and tonic for everyone.
Posted by: polynikes I just can't stop at December 11, 2013 10:56 AM (m2CN7)
It's an abominable set of ideas and I'm sick to fucking death of hearing it.
Posted by: grognard at December 11, 2013 02:53 PM (/29Nl)
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Even some Baptist churches are falling for this bullshit. It's religious gangrene. It's rotting absolutely everything out from within. And it's also the reason I don't attend church anymore.
Posted by: Soona at December 11, 2013 10:56 AM (Tx68O)
>>>I've never been to a Spanish speaking country that has less "Hispanic" looking people in it.
That's becoz all the Nazis escaped to Argentina and then genocided everybody that wasn't Aryan looking. That's what Hollywood keeps implying anyway.
[which, BTW, is an excellent whisper campaign versus Teh Francis - he's a descendent of the Nazi Diaspora! ONOES]
Posted by: Bigby's Tiny Fists at December 11, 2013 10:56 AM (3ZtZW)
Posted by: zombie at December 11, 2013 02:49 PM (+cx5n)
Hilarious. You'd think the translator community would have demanded an actual, competent sign language interpreter for what is probably the most significant moment in South Africa's post-Apartheid history. When you've got a shitload of world leaders coming to the country to fete a man with as much international reputation as Nelson Mandela, you'd think they'd make an effort to represent their country as something OTHER than a stumbling clusterfuck of corruption, crime and graft.
But you would be wrong.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/i][/u] at December 11, 2013 10:56 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand
Exactly. Which is why it's so dangerous if you get the wrong Pope, he could easily destroy the Catholic Church overnight because it's a top down structure. In a Protestant church, there's a lot more mobility and the clowns get cut off at the knees.
Posted by: McAdams at December 11, 2013 10:57 AM (2TMCu)
OK As a Catholic, I think I've got to clarify.
Sorta kinda not really. He can't overturn previous doctrine held infallibly. But if you aren't of the faith (Catholic Specifically, meaning that you believe the Holy Spirit will keep His Holiness from mucking up Church Teachings) you might be concerned about the fallible teachings. Even in this area a Pope (if you believe he is just a man) is limited by the fact that if he accuses the Church to have committed a serious error over a number of years, that is seriously detrimental to the Church.
The Church teachings reject communism and socialism, and affirm a right to private ownership of property. (Albeit subject to caveat, not an unlimited right)
So no matter how sympathetic to Progressive Social Justice, the Catholic Teachings remain. Also of note I might add is this about his love of Progressivism.
http://www.news.va/en/news/pope-lord-save-us-from-the-subtle-conspiracies-of
Lot's of good like
“that today human sacrifices are not made? Many, many people make human sacrifices and there are laws that protect them”
If you are wondering *HOW BAD* a Pope can be and the Church survive check out Pope Benedict IX
Posted by: MikeTheMoose Laughing Maniacally While Throwing Matches. at December 11, 2013 10:57 AM (0q2P7)
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at December 11, 2013 10:57 AM (79zi+)
Posted by: zombie at December 11, 2013 10:58 AM (+cx5n)
Posted by: Ncj at December 11, 2013 10:58 AM (dqux0)
Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b] at December 11, 2013 10:58 AM (P7Wsr)
Posted by: nerdygirl at December 11, 2013 10:58 AM (ISuF5)
Posted by: Caliban at December 11, 2013 10:59 AM (DrC22)
When citing supposed doctrine, may I suggest that you go to the actual catechism of the Catholic Church, and not "Vatican.com", a travel agency which thought to squat on the domain.
Posted by: Filly at December 11, 2013 10:59 AM (Zo+R6)
Posted by: MTF at December 11, 2013 11:00 AM (B5y+v)
Posted by: Ncj at December 11, 2013 11:00 AM (dqux0)
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at December 11, 2013 11:00 AM (dfYL9)
Ace is right about the primary reasons why they selected the Pope, but the reason to keep the doctrinal wars going between people who should be allies can not be dismissed.
Divide and conquer ring a bell? Just like Ryan falling for the old Democrat trick of 'we promise.' Here we go again, being stupid and chasing a squirrel.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 11, 2013 11:00 AM (JdUCt)
Posted by: Ncj at December 11, 2013 11:01 AM (dqux0)
Posted by: Lincolntf at December 11, 2013 11:01 AM (ZshNr)
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at December 11, 2013 11:02 AM (79zi+)
>You know that statement's true, right?
0
0b1 + 0b1 == 0b10 resolves to 1
1 + 1 = 10 fails to assign 10 to the symbol "1". Causing the statement to resolve to 0.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose Laughing Maniacally While Throwing Matches. at December 11, 2013 11:02 AM (0q2P7)
Posted by: polynikes I just can't stop at December 11, 2013 11:02 AM (m2CN7)
Once again, you're quoting a travel agency and not the actual Catholic Church.
"Vatican.com is is owned and developed privately and is not the official site of Vatican City nor claims to represent the Vatican City State & the Holy See legally, politically, religiously or otherwise."
Posted by: Filly at December 11, 2013 11:02 AM (Zo+R6)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 11, 2013 11:02 AM (BC6cY)
Posted by: zombie at December 11, 2013 11:02 AM (+cx5n)
Posted by: polynikes I just can't stop at December 11, 2013 11:03 AM (m2CN7)
Even some Baptist churches are falling for this bullshit. It's religious gangrene. It's rotting absolutely everything out from within. And it's also the reason I don't attend church anymore.
Posted by: Soona at December 11, 2013 02:56 PM (Tx68O)
Agreed. I'll regard them seriously when they sell the building and land that the Archbishop of Chicago holds as a residence, and give all of that to the poor.
If a church is going to stand there week after week and preach that we need to feel guilty for success, that our success in being reasonably middle-class is part of a zero-sum game that keeps others down, and that we need to contribute to two collections per week just to make up for it....but be sure to use the printed envelopes so we can count your tithing and harass you for it....
Fuck. That. Noise.
Posted by: grognard at December 11, 2013 11:03 AM (/29Nl)
Posted by: Pope Alexander VI Borgia at December 11, 2013 11:04 AM (ISuF5)
>Bottom line: Math is proof. It's its identifying feature.
Spoken like someone who doesn't understand either Math or Philosophy.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose Laughing Maniacally While Throwing Matches. at December 11, 2013 11:04 AM (0q2P7)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 11, 2013 11:05 AM (BC6cY)
Ncj, while I would not attempt to speak for the Catholic members of the Horde, I think you're reading that a little too broadly. If the Pope were to come out and say, "The Catholic church now condones abortion," the Catholic church would cease to exist. It would cause such turmoil and upheaval that it would tear itself apart. The Pope CANNOT just create doctrine out of thin air, willy nilly. There's thousands of years worth of precedent that can't just be overturned on a whim.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/i][/u] at December 11, 2013 11:05 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at December 11, 2013 03:02 PM (79zi+)
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I heard there was a bear around here someplace
Posted by: Andrew Sullivan at December 11, 2013 11:05 AM (B5y+v)
Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b] at December 11, 2013 11:06 AM (P7Wsr)
Posted by: Ncj at December 11, 2013 11:06 AM (dqux0)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 11, 2013 03:00 PM (JdUCt)
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With this you are absoutely correct, Anna. But we've been tricked into thinking that people, such as Ryan, were actually on the side of free will and free markets and then suddenly find spilled kool-aid on their shoes hasn't helped the cause of unquestioned unity.
Posted by: Soona at December 11, 2013 11:06 AM (Tx68O)
This really is amusing in a way.
Pity the poor progressive journalists: their President is a SCOAMF, the public has turned against their big-government socialist agenda, their favorite pols are losing elections all over the world, their magazines and TV networks have no audiences or buyers. So now all they can do is bleat about the new Pope. They are so desperate for some deus ex machina who will magically create their socialist paradise - or at least, someone who they can use to beat those horrible capitalists and conservatives over the head.
What a comedown this must be for those millions who came to Washington in January 2009 or watched on television, sobbing.
Posted by: rockmom at December 11, 2013 11:06 AM (aBlZ1)
Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at December 11, 2013 11:07 AM (Z5KPR)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at December 11, 2013 11:07 AM (JdUCt)
Posted by: Margarita DeVille at December 11, 2013 11:07 AM (dfYL9)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 11, 2013 11:07 AM (BC6cY)
Posted by: polynikes I just can't stop at December 11, 2013 11:07 AM (m2CN7)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 11, 2013 03:07 PM (BC6cY)
Can he pronounce "Corpsman?" If so, I think he's more qualified for the Presidency than Obammy ever was.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/i][/u] at December 11, 2013 11:08 AM (4df7R)
It's an abominable set of ideas and I'm sick to fucking death of hearing it."
I agree that liberation theology and the leftward application of "social justice" is one of the most offputting aspects of trying to live a Catholic life. I regard it as modern hearsay. The worst part is that it's coming from *within.*
Posted by: Filly at December 11, 2013 11:08 AM (Zo+R6)
Posted by: Soona at December 11, 2013 02:56 PM (Tx68O)
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That's lame. Just find a church that preaches the Word of God as the Word of God. There are plenty out there.
Posted by: grammie (cuz mama is way way old) winger at December 11, 2013 11:09 AM (P6QsQ)
Posted by: Dandolo at December 11, 2013 11:09 AM (0XBx+)
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/i][/u] at December 11, 2013 11:10 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at December 11, 2013 03:05 PM (4df7R)
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You mean, like the Catholic Inquisition. Or the church turning it's back to the Jews during WWII?
Posted by: Soona at December 11, 2013 11:10 AM (Tx68O)
Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b] at December 11, 2013 11:11 AM (P7Wsr)
Posted by: jjshaka at December 11, 2013 11:12 AM (i19RC)
Posted by: Jenny Hates Her Phone at December 11, 2013 11:14 AM (wiDhi)
Of course Francis isn't going to go full commie. Can't upset the squares.
That's why it is a *long* march. Say some shit that can be taken either way, and then move the needle. Get people used to defending your ambiguity from *both* sides.
He's going to be there for a while. That's a lot of needle moves.
He's either a communist or incredibly naive. And naive men don't generally become Pope.
Posted by: grognard at December 11, 2013 11:15 AM (/29Nl)
Posted by: Ncj at December 11, 2013 11:15 AM (fmjNz)
Posted by: Iblis at December 11, 2013 11:16 AM (9221z)
None of that changes anything I said.
Rule 1 if you aren't Catholic or a serious scholar of Catholic history and theology, take a grain of salt when reading Catholic documents. YOU DON'T KNOW THE SUPPORTING THEOLOGY.
And guess what. The Theology is OVER the doctrine and defines it. Not the other way around.
The doctrine is written with the FAITH that the Pope CANNOT be in error in certain ways. The Pope can't act in a manner which destroys the theology that his doctrine is based. And would you get that reading the doctrine. Nope.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose Laughing Maniacally While Throwing Matches. at December 11, 2013 11:22 AM (0q2P7)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 11, 2013 11:26 AM (BC6cY)
Posted by: Ncj at December 11, 2013 02:36 PM (dqux0)
He can't send anyone to hell, Catholic or not. No man has that power--but then, I'm a Protestant. Goings-on at the Vatican generally hold little interest for me although I was amused by Hot Air's Ed Morrissey's and NRO's Kathryn Jean Lopez's breathless moment by moment reporting of the last papal election.
Posted by: troyriser at December 11, 2013 11:27 AM (V9ol4)
Posted by: Iblis at December 11, 2013 11:28 AM (9221z)
Posted by: Iblis at December 11, 2013 11:30 AM (9221z)
For those Anglicans and Catholics looking for a fuller church experience, I recommend Bishop Martyn Minns and those parishs that are associated with him. Best Service Ever. Swearsies.
Posted by: MTF at December 11, 2013 11:33 AM (B5y+v)
Actually we don't. We still get judged. And it is the result of the judgement that determines the disposition of our soul. God could make a new special place just for you to prove the point that you don't have the power to send yourself to Hell anymore than you do to send yourself to Heaven.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose Laughing Maniacally While Throwing Matches. at December 11, 2013 11:34 AM (0q2P7)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 11, 2013 11:38 AM (BC6cY)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 11, 2013 11:38 AM (BC6cY)
Pope Francis made some good points about devaluing currencies, and robbing people of their savings. He really condemned the George Soros style crony capitalism, and gave conservatives alot of ammo, if we're willing to see it and use it.
I've read some of his writings and interviews. Not all of it, admittedly - I lack the time.
Having said that, I am less than impressed. The tendency for Catholics to read the best intentions into everything that the Pope says is very well noted. There is a marked lack of skepticism, and things that would immediately trigger our alarm from anyone else are explained away nonchalantly.
Some assume that this man isn't lying, ever...that he wouldn't try to play both sides of an issue to both gain acceptance with conservatives inside the Church and with leftists outside. They are welcome to it. Perhaps that's part of faith.
I'm not one of those people. He's still a man. His background, along with the tone and focus of his commentary, when coupled with the pervasive Social Justice monstrosity propagated throughout the entire Church...well, I see what I see. And I won't be back until it's corrected.
He has an opportunity to refine and explain, but all I see are ambiguities, and I'm not fond of ambiguity from someone who sits at the head of the Church. To me, that is a very negative indicator.
Posted by: grognard at December 11, 2013 11:40 AM (/29Nl)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 11, 2013 11:40 AM (BC6cY)
Posted by: Iblis at December 11, 2013 11:41 AM (9221z)
Posted by: Iblis at December 11, 2013 11:50 AM (9221z)
If you have no special faith in him, I really wondering why you care at all what he says?
Posted by: MikeTheMoose Laughing Maniacally While Throwing Matches. at December 11, 2013 11:53 AM (0q2P7)
Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at December 11, 2013 11:56 AM (pginn)
ambiguities, and I'm not fond of ambiguity from someone who sits at the
head of the Church. To me, that is a very negative indicator.
If you have no special faith in him, I really wondering why you care at all what he says?
Posted by: MikeTheMoose at December 11, 2013 03:53 PM (0q2P7)
Why does one preclude the other? I have no faith in Obama, but I very much care what he says, because it affects me and my loved ones.
I'd love to go back to mass regularly. Every single church in both the US and Canada, where I've attended mass in the past 10 years, has been steeped in Social Justice doctrine. This affects me, because I'd like to rejoin a community where I used to care enough to volunteer and even sing in choir. I'm just not going to do it when this constant socialist drumbeat is louder than nearly everything else.
I reserve my faith for God. The Pope is just a man. When a man heads a worldwide organization of about 1.5 billion people, he has enormous global influence.
And if that influence is going to fall on the side of "social justice," as it has so far, that's why I am interested - even while skeptical of his intentions.
Posted by: grognard at December 11, 2013 12:01 PM (/29Nl)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 11, 2013 12:05 PM (BC6cY)
I reserve my faith for God.
Posted by: grognard at December 11, 2013 04:01 PM (/29Nl)
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Would you be open to attending another church community? I can think of two that might meet your need to worship God in a traditional conservative manner, while staying focused on the heart of the Christian faith. Might I suggest either an Anglican church or perhaps a Lutheran church affiliated with the Wisconsin Synod. Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran churches - WELS - are very conservative but have a liturgy that you might find appealing.
Posted by: grammie (cuz mama is way way old) winger at December 11, 2013 12:12 PM (P6QsQ)
His power is limited to the theologically defined limits of his station.
Catholic Social Teachings aren't any sort of specification of means. They are a sketch of ends that a truly just society achieves. I agree the US Church is overrun (To the extent social justice is taught explicitly) with catechists who teach the subject who are closet socialists, who themselves defy Church teaching. But they cannot, say any particular means, such as raising minimum wage is a correct means. Even the Pope can't do that, it lies beyond his Primacy. So it will be a Diocese by Diocese and Parish by Parish how Catholic Social Teachings are taught. But the real point I'm trying to make is. The Church is a big girl and she moves real slow. She isn't going to move very far from where she is at. And she can't move backwards or in a direction she's already declared to be wrong. So I think really the Catholic Social Teachings theology have more or less reached a cul-de-sac of ideas that would be cool if mankind had a perfect solution to governance which he doesn't. I'll give you another hint, most Catholics who actually attend mass and care what the Church says, are Conservative, and aren't going to get less so.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose Laughing Maniacally While Throwing Matches. at December 11, 2013 12:17 PM (0q2P7)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 11, 2013 12:20 PM (BC6cY)
From a purely logical standpoint, I would. However, there are other considerations - familial, among others - that make that impossible.
Like it or not, I'm either Catholic or nothing. I don't feel alienated with Catholicism. I feel alienated with the Church.
Posted by: grognard at December 11, 2013 12:21 PM (/29Nl)
Posted by: spice at December 11, 2013 12:23 PM (8PqRA)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 11, 2013 12:23 PM (BC6cY)
The way I see it, I'm a "bad Catholic" even if I do show up, because I don't agree with the "Social Justice" stuff. I don't think the connotations behind the usage of those words have any place when teaching people why they should give of their time and treasure to help the poor.
It has very little to do with "justice," and is just another form of coercion, only religiously instead of legally. It's still not charity.
So, I'd rather not show up and grit my teeth and force my way through it. That's not my idea of a special celebration with God.
I'll keep my eyes open, and if and when the overzealous socialists are kicked to the curb, I'll come back. But they haven't been. For decades. And they don't plan on loosening their grip. My kids' agenda books, ordered by the Catholic school system, are *FULL* of this stuff.
My 7 and 6 year olds aren't deserving of being made to feel horrible because they were lucky enough to be born into a healthy set of circumstances. They haven't done anything wrong, and using the words "Social Justice" teaches them they have, and that they are expected to give of themselves not for true charity, but in some insane attempt to "right that wrong."
This is evil on a very fundamental level, and the Church is letting it happen.
Posted by: grognard at December 11, 2013 12:29 PM (/29Nl)
Posted by: Nip Sip at December 11, 2013 12:33 PM (0FSuD)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 11, 2013 04:23 PM (BC6cY)
I don't think you can separate the celebrant - the entire person - from the Sacrament. "Social justice" isn't just a political POV, per se. It has political ramifications, but it's a clear spiritual and emotional warping of the concept of charity.
So yes, if I know the celebrant is a perveyor of "social justice" doctrine, I will not feel as though I can share a connection to God with that person.
Posted by: grognard at December 11, 2013 12:34 PM (/29Nl)
Posted by: Nip Sip at December 11, 2013 12:34 PM (0FSuD)
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You've made an eloquent summation of the problem, especially in relation to your children. I can hear the pain behind your words.
I wish you peace, my friend. And joy. Especially joy.
Posted by: grammie (cuz mama is way way old) winger at December 11, 2013 12:35 PM (P6QsQ)
Thank you, and I wish the same for you.
The secular socialist pressures are tough enough on the kids, and now they are getting it from church too. It's tough to have to play defense all the time.Posted by: grognard at December 11, 2013 12:40 PM (/29Nl)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 11, 2013 12:42 PM (BC6cY)
Usually when I get confronted by "Over Zealous Social Justice Person" about "What have I done?" I give the. " I LOVE social justice! I wish to reform tort laws so people don't fear owning a small business due to stupid US liability issues. I wish to reform licensing laws, so the government isn't taking cut's of the profit of a new business before they even make any. I wish to effect better education and offer more opportunity by promoting school choice, allowing the poor the opportunity to choose the best education, not have it assigned to them. I want to make owning a business so easy and so popular that you can't help but pay a descent living wage for the shortage of labor. I want to see an end to large corporate crony capitalism, and socialized losses, where the powerful but regulation to keep out the little guy, or we the people have to pay the price for the greed of others." Then smile.
And watch them try and figure out a way to rebuke me. It's really kind of fun.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose Laughing Maniacally While Throwing Matches. at December 11, 2013 12:43 PM (0q2P7)
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at December 11, 2013 12:47 PM (BC6cY)
>> grognard
Feed the hungry and clothe the naked are non-negotiables from Christ himself, but the best and most prudential means of archiving these goals remains largely open to discussion among the faithful. (Though some proposed solutions, like Communism, have been condemned.)
I do not know what you've been hearing preached from the pulpit, but come to Mass for Jesus, truly present in his sacrament. (I'd even sit through an infomercial for that.)
Posted by: Fr. Victor Feltes at December 11, 2013 12:49 PM (xCGEh)
Posted by: Joe at December 11, 2013 01:04 PM (B+xcR)
Just wanted to say thanks Father. Some of us sheep on the social media get to feeling awfully lonely with not a shepherd to be seen sometimes.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose Laughing Maniacally While Throwing Matches. at December 11, 2013 01:17 PM (0q2P7)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-bAXm-A3Ls
Barbara Bonney sings from Handel's 'Messiah', accompanied by the Freiburg Baroque Orchestra.
Posted by: grammie (cuz mama is way way old) winger at December 11, 2013 01:40 PM (P6QsQ)
Posted by: katya, the designated driver at December 11, 2013 02:03 PM (DoZD+)
But I think its just plausible, in their nicely 'targeted' praise for Francis, they were also backhanding the Church tradition(s) and past Popes -- laughing all the way. So it was also a driveby on his predecessors and the Catholic Church in general. Like everything the left does, they are only using him in some capacity for their own agenda. Fairweather friends. When is Francis going to realize they are only using him?
But hey they can do their critique anytime they want. That they use their platform now and this Pope for it is more the issue. You nailed it: a fake story.... with more spin than a centrifuge.
Posted by: Bullright at December 11, 2013 06:40 PM (9RcXQ)
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