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October 22, 2013

No One Saw This Coming.
— Ace

Steny Hoyer wants to appropriate more taxpayer money to fix ObamaCare, whose nonfunctional website cost nearly $300 million.

Asked Tuesday how Congress could help improve the system by which millions of Americans must buy insurance by the end of the year, the House minority whip and Maryland Democrat said, "We can give them a little money."
"[Republicans have] been pretty much focused in the House of Representatives on undermining the implementation of the Affordable Care Act in every which way that we possibly could," he said.
Hoyer admitted that he does not know whether the project, which has already cost more than $400 million, has faced funding problems. "I don't think that's the reason," he said. "If I know that, I'll blame it."

Note that like Obama he insinuates, without stating it forthrightly, that the Shutdown was responsible for the failure of the website.

If they don't say it, but only imply it, they can count on their media friends to ignore the clear lie.

Via @drewmtips, who's sure this whole article is just one massive typo.

Posted by: Ace at 01:45 PM | Comments (229)
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1 Mo money, mo problems

Posted by: wooga at October 22, 2013 01:29 PM (2PFRe)

2 I recommend funding it by a one-time tax on all registered Democrats of $100,000 apiece, and those who can't afford it get sold off for spare organs.

Posted by: Cobalt Shiva at October 22, 2013 01:29 PM (OY/SZ)

3 Not the hill to die on, my friensch...

Posted by: John 'Kindler, Gentler' McCain [/i] [/b] at October 22, 2013 01:29 PM (AA6QE)

4 I suppose this might work, in a "Brewster's Millions" type scheme.

Posted by: wooga at October 22, 2013 01:30 PM (2PFRe)

5 I suggest people who live in Hoyer's state might want to give him a call.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 22, 2013 01:30 PM (23Kgq)

6 We should be demanding that the people who we gave the 300M to fix it for nothing. That is what would happen in a civilian company.

Posted by: Vic at October 22, 2013 01:30 PM (zZbNF)

7 so is opposing this appropriation wingnuttery yet?

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at October 22, 2013 01:30 PM (uhAkr)

Ace. Please look up the definition of "Vacation."

I think it means something other than you think it means.

Posted by: Jollyroger at October 22, 2013 01:30 PM (t06LC)

9 No, simply, hell no. Throwing money and people at a botched project is just throwing good money after bad.

#404CareIsABadJoke

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes at October 22, 2013 01:30 PM (kXoT0)

10 Spelling junk as junque does nothing, this code is junque, so put it on the scappeheape and start over.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes at October 22, 2013 01:31 PM (kXoT0)

11 A response in the form of a music video: http://youtu.be/CAV0XrbEwNc

Posted by: Merovign , Dark Lord of the Sith [/i] [/b] [/s] [/u] at October 22, 2013 01:32 PM (qyfb5)

12 My smack. It's sitting over there. All gobbed.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Mmmm. Blondies with whipped cream. at October 22, 2013 01:32 PM (VtjlW)

13 Notice in the article he is also blaming Republicans for the problems. Absolute gall but he knows the MFM will jump right on that talking point.

So in keeping with the kinder gentler blog, fornicate Hoyer and every voter in his State who voted for him.

Posted by: Vic at October 22, 2013 01:32 PM (zZbNF)

14 At some point, you've spent enough money.

Posted by: Lauren at October 22, 2013 01:33 PM (ELdpj)

15 #404ScrapTheHerpesSore404

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes at October 22, 2013 01:33 PM (kXoT0)

16 This is how politics are done 101. D's know obamacare is gonna be hated so now they're implementing ways to blame it on the Republicans. To wit: It's failing because Republicans underfunded it.

Posted by: soothie at October 22, 2013 01:33 PM (8PrS9)

17 But, but, if we don't, the media and Democrats will say it is our fault it is broken. It's too bad this website appropriation couldn't be used in some kind of hypothetical budget negotiation. But we probably couldn't win one of those anyway.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at October 22, 2013 01:33 PM (uhAkr)

18 What do they think we are? The stupid party!?! Wait.....

Posted by: Blue Hen at October 22, 2013 01:33 PM (PrDJQ)

19 As Mark Steyn said today on Rush, the gov't always doubles down on disaster. (Link in name)

Posted by: wooga at October 22, 2013 01:33 PM (2PFRe)

20 www.rathole.gov

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at October 22, 2013 01:34 PM (8ZskC)

21 Not surprised by this shot. The dice is hot, baby. and they ain't no poleece.

Posted by: EROWMWER at October 22, 2013 01:34 PM (OONaw)

22 Let's reinforce failure!

Posted by: WalrusRex at October 22, 2013 01:34 PM (XUKZU)

23 At some point, you have given one group of developers enough money. You fire them and hire a new bunch--preferably out of work AMERICANS, you fat drooling idiot.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes at October 22, 2013 01:34 PM (kXoT0)

Representative Hoyer, that $300m is what is called in business terms a "sunk cost". You aren't getting that money back no matter what.

A smart businessman would know when to cut their losses instead of continuing to throw money down a bottomless hole. Of course, I don't think there's a single member of the Democrat caucus who knows a damn thing about running a business, so they'll insist they just haven't spent enough on it yet.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at October 22, 2013 01:35 PM (/Crba)

25 We laugh, but I put the odds at 70% that this passes.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at October 22, 2013 01:35 PM (uhAkr)

26 Dare I say these code monkeys and their masters are long overdue for an audit?

Posted by: Fritz at October 22, 2013 01:35 PM (UzPAd)

27 We have to spend another billion to save our $600 million.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at October 22, 2013 01:35 PM (8ZskC)

28 Ace -- how are we supposed to miss you if you don't go away?

Seriously: Hope your vacation is going well and you're getting done what you wanted to get done.

Posted by: Dancing Queen at October 22, 2013 01:35 PM (FDGeg)

29 Somethin' 'bout throwin' good money after bad...? Whatevs, more Obamacash!

Posted by: Stuff Our Icky Dads Said at October 22, 2013 01:36 PM (ELdpj)

30 Any truth to the rumor that Alan Grayson's goatsie is gonna be the new home page picture for the Obamacare website?

Posted by: Loosley Applied Advertising, Inc at October 22, 2013 01:36 PM (0It32)

31 Some snark from Iowahawk: You know why 2+2 doesn't = 5? Lack of funding.

Posted by: WalrusRex at October 22, 2013 01:36 PM (XUKZU)

32 There are a fair number of people who read and comment on this blog with significant experience with enterprise-wide software and big websites.

I don't think that I have read a single comment from any of them that suggests that the problem was insufficient funds, or that the fix requires a huge expenditure.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at October 22, 2013 01:36 PM (oJ5Fd)

33 I'm not laughing. We'll do it. We're that stupid.

Posted by: Blue Hen at October 22, 2013 01:36 PM (PrDJQ)

34 Why don't we just stand in a shower and rip up 100 dollar bills?

(the tongue in cheek definition of yacht racing.)

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Ecclesiates 9:11) at October 22, 2013 01:37 PM (lAZep)

35 A few billion here, a few billion there....pretty soon you're out of fucks to give.

Posted by: [/i][/b][/u][/s] Tami - GO CARDS !!! at October 22, 2013 01:37 PM (bCEmE)

36 Ace is vacationing in an undisclosed location with a laptop, a DSL connection and a leaky water heater.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at October 22, 2013 01:37 PM (8ZskC)

Why step aside Ace,

That venerable Kentucy Col, the Honorable Mitch McConnel just save the Taxpayers of this country 138 million dollars by AHMMM, apropriating a 2.5 billion dollar add on to the budget bill... I say saved 138 million by spending 2.5 Billion on a dam and lock project..

You all just don't seem to understand .

I say understand,

how things are done on the hill boy.

Posted by: Clemenza at October 22, 2013 01:37 PM (3GuQx)

38 It's already 600% over budget, we can't afford not to spend another billion or so.

Posted by: WalrusRex at October 22, 2013 01:37 PM (XUKZU)

39 >>>Ace. Please look up the definition of "Vacation."
I think it means something other than you think it means<<<

I just can't quit you.

Posted by: Brokeback Blogger at October 22, 2013 01:37 PM (/C6Mj)

40 Now remember this is deficit neutral, reduces cost to the patient and Palomino!

//Nanzi

Posted by: sven10077 at October 22, 2013 01:38 PM (9jfyN)

41 New iPads. And they are ... ok. iPad Air is nice, I guess. Apple really hasn't impressed me with a new product in many years now. Everything they make just seems like a slightly nicer version of Android stuff. For 2x the price.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at October 22, 2013 01:38 PM (ZPrif)

42 if the Obamacare policies were worth a shit, they'd sell themselves. price comparison websites would spring up organically. but keep polishing those turds Mr. President.

Posted by: TPOTUS at October 22, 2013 01:38 PM (KHo8t)

43 We laugh, but I put the odds at 70% that this passes.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at October 22, 2013 05:35 PM (uhAkr)

That's not laughter. It's sobbing. Sometimes the sounds are hard to tell apart.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at October 22, 2013 01:39 PM (yh0zB)

44 Why don't you take their keyboards and give them spoons?

Posted by: Milton Friedman at October 22, 2013 01:39 PM (8ZskC)

45 Steny my boy, maybe you should have NEGOTIATED this when you had the chance.

Posted by: The Jackhole at October 22, 2013 01:39 PM (nTgAI)

46 Healthcare.gov is officially too big to fail.

Posted by: Voltaire's Crack at October 22, 2013 01:39 PM (gXtDC)

47 The nice thing about Progressive Communism is that it's always advancing. Any fuck-up is always merely an excuse for even more Progressive Communism.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at October 22, 2013 01:39 PM (sfOOx)

48 39 Brokeback Blogger,

and I can't quit him....

//Spatchcocked Chicken

Posted by: sven10077 at October 22, 2013 01:39 PM (9jfyN)

49
Wow, I feel shocked.

Back to you, Cotton!

Posted by: Pepper Brooks at October 22, 2013 01:39 PM (TIIx5)

50 And since Communism always leads to "fuck-ups," well... it's all very efficient.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at October 22, 2013 01:39 PM (sfOOx)

51 From the article:

Hoyer admitted that he does not know whether the project, which has already cost more than $400 million, has faced funding problems. "I don't think that's the reason," he said. "If I know that, I'll blame it."

Wow. The dumbfuck says it needs more funding, but doesn't think a lack of funding is the cause of the problem? Idiot can't even spin convincingly.

That said, allow me consider your request for more funding... ok done. Fuck no.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at October 22, 2013 01:40 PM (SY2Kh)

52 so put it on the scappeheape and start over.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes at October 22, 2013 05:31 PM (kXoT0)

********************************************

Starting over costs money too so Hell to the No with "fixing" it *and* with starting over. Not one more of my tax dollars on this POS -- if the Dems want it so badly let them go out door to door -- FOR FREE --to sign people up for it.

Posted by: Dancing Queen at October 22, 2013 01:40 PM (FDGeg)

53 ObamaCare: TOO BIG TO FAIL.

Obama has to resort to bailing out his own stuff.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Ecclesiates 9:11) at October 22, 2013 01:40 PM (lAZep)

54 Top. Men. Top. Brilliant. Men.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at October 22, 2013 01:40 PM (sfOOx)

55 "Steny" is short for "Steen", IYKWIMAITYD.
http://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steny_Hoyer

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at October 22, 2013 01:40 PM (/kI1Q)

56

1/3 of a Billion Dollars? Not enough.

That's like only a third.

Posted by: Hoyer in the Foyer at October 22, 2013 01:40 PM (LSErD)

57 But of course. Do we expect the folks who will clean up the mess to do it for free?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 22, 2013 01:40 PM (DmNpO)

58 Spelling junk as junque does nothing, this code is junque, so put it on the scappeheape and start over.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes at October 22, 2013 05:31 PM (kXoT0)

You spelled "shitte-pyle" wrong...

Off to work. Somebody's got to pay for all of this madness.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at October 22, 2013 01:40 PM (yh0zB)

59 What Republicans should be demanding loudly and often is that not only the WEB site be completely scrapped but also Obamacare in total.

And scream loudly that it is already proving to be a massive failure just as almost every real Republican predicted.

Posted by: Vic at October 22, 2013 01:41 PM (zZbNF)

60 "It's rainin' Communists."

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at October 22, 2013 01:41 PM (sfOOx)

61 if the Dems want it so badly let them go out door to door -- FOR FREE --to sign people up for it.

We don't do nuthin for free.

Posted by: ACORN at October 22, 2013 01:41 PM (/kI1Q)

62 35 Tami,

God we hope so...

//Monkey, Football, and Poultry local 957

Posted by: sven10077 at October 22, 2013 01:41 PM (9jfyN)

63 Cash for Clickers

Posted by: super new idea that's destined to work just perfectly at October 22, 2013 01:41 PM (/C6Mj)

64 45 Steny my boy, maybe you should have NEGOTIATED this when you had the chance. How can the GOP fight this? There will be bad press! Names will be called!

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at October 22, 2013 01:41 PM (uhAkr)

65 The nice thing about Progressive Communism is that it's always advancing. Any fuck-up is always merely an excuse for even more Progressive Communism.

When the only tool in your toolbox is a hammer, every problem looks like the head of a revanchist counterrevolutionary.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at October 22, 2013 01:41 PM (8ZskC)

66 It's not that the code is broken, it's that there is no code.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Ecclesiates 9:11) at October 22, 2013 01:42 PM (lAZep)

67 The Staff at the Washington Office is here to take your calls, faxes and e-mails about specific issues of legislation that are important to 5th district of Maryland constituents. Steny Hoyer 1705 Longworth House Office Building Washington, D.C. 20515 Phone - (202) 225-4131 Fax - (202) 225-4300 Office Hours - Open Monday through Friday except Federal Holidays 9 a.m. to 6 p.m. when Congress is in session. 9 a.m. to 5 p.m. otherwise.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 22, 2013 01:42 PM (23Kgq)

68 We laugh, but I put the odds at 70% that this passes.

Lose the seven and you'll be about right.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at October 22, 2013 01:42 PM (SY2Kh)

"I certainly believe it's a bad performance," Hoyer said. "Obviously this was not done the way it should have been done, and I'm sure if I was a Republican I would yell and scream about it as well."

(Translation: It is ok to scream and yell about this failure if you are a Republican. But if you're not, shut up.)

"I'm sure that everyone who was a proponent of the Affordable Care Act is not happy Â— me included," he added, "because it gives fodder to those who are opposed to the substance of the act."

(The substance of which is not easily discerned when reading 2000+ pages of "the act" or 17 million words in new regulations, but ya'know making a website is even harder than writing all those words.)

Posted by: SnowSun at October 22, 2013 01:42 PM (Wxdhz)

70 I recommend funding it by a one-time tax on all registered Democrats of $100,000 apiece, and those who can't afford it get sold off for spare organs.

Posted by: Cobalt Shiva at October 22, 2013 05:29 PM (OY/SZ)

Fucking eh...THIS!

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Div at October 22, 2013 01:42 PM (FMbng)

71 " . Do we expect the folks who will clean up the mess to do it for free? Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October" Demand a refund from the first fuck ups and use it to pay the next fuck ups.

Posted by: Stuff Our Icky Dads Said at October 22, 2013 01:42 PM (ELdpj)

72 This is how politics are done 101.

D's know obamacare is gonna be hated so now they're implementing ways to blame it on the Republicans.

Please. Anyone who buys that is irretrievably in the Dem camp already. There are some good things about losing a budget fight, and having the other side pass things without a single yea vote from your side. This is one of them. Quit with the Eeyore nonsense already.

The Dems may go ahead and spend the money, but they won't be fooling anyone, and every increment is now a testament to their inadequacies.

Posted by: pep at October 22, 2013 01:43 PM (6TB1Z)

73 Unexpected! (really?)

Posted by: Severe Conservative riding Orca at October 22, 2013 01:44 PM (RFeQD)

74 "59 What Republicans should be demanding loudly and often is that not only the WEB site be completely scrapped but also Obamacare in total. And scream loudly that it is already proving to be a massive failure just as almost every real Republican predicted. Posted by: Vic at October 22, 2013 05:41 PM (zZbNF)" When have Republicans ever successfully rolled anything significant back? Reagan and Soviet Communism was pretty much it. But that was external, and it was a one-time thing, and it has literally come to naught. Domestic Communism would have probably Progressed less had Soviet Communism never been defeated.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at October 22, 2013 01:44 PM (sfOOx)

75 Demand a refund from the first fuck ups and use it to pay the next fuck ups. *** I forgot to add the sarc tag/

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 22, 2013 01:44 PM (DmNpO)

76 Lose the seven and you'll be about right. All the GOP congressmen have been machine-gunned on the beaches of Normandy thanks to Speaker Cruz.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at October 22, 2013 01:44 PM (uhAkr)

77
I lost all my feck.

Posted by: Hoyer in the Foyer at October 22, 2013 01:44 PM (LSErD)

78 So the Tea Party was right again. Just admit it Steny.

Posted by: forest at October 22, 2013 01:44 PM (stMuz)

79 Posted by: Sherry McEvil
............
So.. are those Obamacare applications just flooding in???

I'm sure you can't say too much, but just wondering how bad it really is and if you've had any word from the trenches..

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at October 22, 2013 01:44 PM (f9c2L)

" . Do we expect the folks who will clean up the mess to do it for free?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October"

That or face the IRS audits

Posted by: The Jackhole at October 22, 2013 01:44 PM (nTgAI)

Fine.

Let's start by taking all of Steny's money and throwing it at the problem.

Tell any Dem who asks for more money after that that their personal wealth will be taken next.

Lather, rinse, repeat.

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX at October 22, 2013 01:44 PM (PZ6/M)

82 but they won't be fooling anyone

Posted by: pep at October 22, 2013 05:43 PM (6TB1Z)

Really? REALLY?

Seems they're doing a fine ckufing job of fooling everyone so far.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Ecclesiates 9:11) at October 22, 2013 01:45 PM (lAZep)

83 But first, you blow me.

Posted by: Mel Gibson at October 22, 2013 01:45 PM (hS/ze)

84 Hahahahaha. Why not? This is just another money pit that will be funded one way or another. I think we all have to take the attitude that if rape is inevitable, we oughta relax and enjoy it.

Posted by: Truck Monkey, Remembering Inconvenient Stuff at October 22, 2013 01:45 PM (32Ze2)

85 How much would you bet that CGI is still receiving IT contracts?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 22, 2013 01:46 PM (DmNpO)

Proper response:

Of course Honorable Mr. Hoyer. Simply tell us which entitlement program you wish to cut by $300 million to make this budget neutral and we'll let you have the money. No, go ahead, think it over. We'll wait.

Sincerely,

House GOP

Posted by: Conservative Crank at October 22, 2013 01:46 PM (sQ0LB)

87 Do we expect the folks who will clean up the mess to do it for free?

For $600 million it's sold without warranty, "as is." Just another example of Barack "Don't Call My Bluff" Obama's 11-dimensional chess negotiating genius in action.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at October 22, 2013 01:46 PM (8ZskC)

88 I found the source code for the ObamaCare website:

C :
[Enter] :
###

(It works better if you say it out loud.)

Posted by: johnd01 at October 22, 2013 01:46 PM (ukNFU)

89 76 Bevel L,

you misspelled Juan McCain....

Posted by: sven10077 at October 22, 2013 01:46 PM (9jfyN)

90 A real opposition party would immediately jump on this and demand: 1. Mass firings from Sebulba on down. 2. Complete turn-over of all documents related to the project. 3. Repeal of Obamacare with an agreement to negotiate in the future about healthcare. 4. A few NPS firings...just because. One can dream.

Posted by: Chris at October 22, 2013 01:46 PM (ly8M1)

91 57 But of course. Do we expect the folks who will clean up the mess to do it for free? Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October 22, 2013 05:40 PM (DmNpO) I think CGI should have pay the people now have to fix it.

Posted by: [/i][/b][/u][/s] Tami - GO CARDS !!! at October 22, 2013 01:47 PM (bCEmE)

92 Brandon In Baton Rouge: "A smart businessman would know when to cut their losses instead of continuing to throw money down a bottomless hole..."

It's not their losses which is the oppression inherent in the system. Money? There's always more where that came from. Federal Apparatus: "Let's build another bonfire. Toss me that satchel of Benjamins, if you'd be so kind."

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at October 22, 2013 01:47 PM (eHIJJ)

93 Really? REALLY?

Yes, really.

Seems they're doing a fine ckufing job of fooling everyone so far.[

Nobody is fooled. They just have a vested interest in ignoring the onrushing train. I didn't say they were smart.

Posted by: pep at October 22, 2013 01:47 PM (6TB1Z)

94 .....THAT now have to fix it.

Posted by: [/i][/b][/u][/s] Tami - GO CARDS !!! at October 22, 2013 01:47 PM (bCEmE)

95 When have Republicans ever successfully rolled anything significant back? Reagan and Soviet Communism was pretty much it. But that was external, and it was a one-time thing, and it has literally come to naught. Domestic Communism would have probably Progressed less had Soviet Communism never been defeated.
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney
.............
WTF? Hey.. I believe kos just left a complimentary comment in your latest diary.. go look!

Republicans TRIED with welfare in the 90's, and were somewhat successful.. but the Clintons found ways around it..

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at October 22, 2013 01:47 PM (f9c2L)

96 I'm not a jaded cynic like the rest of you.

I actually do trust that with a massive tax hike, they really could produce a functioning web page.

Posted by: sandy burger at October 22, 2013 01:47 PM (k0pNf)

97 "65 The nice thing about Progressive Communism is that it's always advancing. Any fuck-up is always merely an excuse for even more Progressive Communism. When the only tool in your toolbox is a hammer, every problem looks like the head of a revanchist counterrevolutionary. Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at October 22, 2013 05:41 PM (8ZskC)" The interesting thing is that Marxism-Leninism predicted the Tea Party perfectly. Well, it's not really all that interesting. Leftism fucks things up, and people don't like it. But Marxist-Leninists and Leftists in general think that this is some sort of amazing insight.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at October 22, 2013 01:47 PM (sfOOx)

The GOP are holding Obamacare hostage ! Whaaaaaa.

Suck it Steny

Posted by: The Jackhole at October 22, 2013 01:47 PM (nTgAI)

99 ********************************************
Starting over costs money too so Hell to the No with "fixing" it *and* with starting over. Not one more of my tax dollars on this POS -- if the Dems want it so badly let them go out door to door -- FOR FREE --to sign people up for it.

Posted by: Dancing Queen at October 22, 2013 05:40 PM (FDGeg)

Of course, it costs money, but, based on my decades of IT experience, there is nothing to salvage. I want them to give it up completely, but, they won't, they are invested in #404--hook, line, and cloven hoof, so if it must be done, give it to someone who can do it at least a half-assed job and for )*&^%% make it Americans. Admittedly, programming that stupid exchange is practically impossible because the law itself and its piles of contradictory directives and regulations are complete shyte.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes at October 22, 2013 01:48 PM (kXoT0)

100

81
Fine.

Let's start by taking all of Steny's money and throwing it at the problem.

Tell any Dem who asks for more money after that that their personal wealth will be taken next.

Lather, rinse, repeat.

---

I recommend starting with Pelosi, who told everyone they had to vote on the chunk of sh!t to see what was in it.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at October 22, 2013 01:48 PM (/Crba)

101 Hey Steny, remember when they picked Nutty Nancy P over you for Speaker..hahahah.. I remember. What does that say about you ?

Posted by: The Jackhole at October 22, 2013 01:48 PM (nTgAI)

102 My prediction: If the Rethugs vote to allow additional funding, it'll be their fault when Zerocare is still fucked up. If the Rethugs don't vote to allow additional funding, it'll be their fault when Zerocare is still fucked up.

Posted by: WalrusRex at October 22, 2013 01:49 PM (XUKZU)

103 I don't feel like screaming today. Cost over-runs on the F-35 are worse, much worse. We've spent BILLIONS more than planned and still it isn't ready. Software problems again. This software and code writing thing; it seems to be harder when real people have to do it rather than when politicians and such talk about what it is supposed to do. The real problem with Obamacare isn't the software writing, regardless of the stupidity of the management of the government in trying to get this turkey to work. It's that it is a tyranny of the government imposed on the people. Regardless of what Chief Schmuck Roberts said, this is contrary to the fundamental meaning of the Constitution. We are COMPELLED to buy a product that we may not need. Free men. We are not anymore.

Posted by: Severe Conservative riding Orca at October 22, 2013 01:49 PM (RFeQD)

104 Hahahahaha. Why not? This is just another money pit that will be funded one way or another.

I can live with that. $300M for the utter discrediting of the entire liberal philosophy is cheap in my book.

Posted by: pep at October 22, 2013 01:49 PM (6TB1Z)

105 97 MUMR,

Kommisars and Kulaks.....

the Soviet D and D

Posted by: sven10077 at October 22, 2013 01:49 PM (9jfyN)

106 *reading from teleprompter* There are many days when I should be tending to the nations business that I will receive a call from Republicans challenging me to a round of golf. Now that is not the highest priority for me, but in the spirit of bipartisanship and reaching across the aisle I will accommodate them. What I discover, time and again, is that Republicans will tee the ball up, then shank it into the woods. Then ask for a do-over. A 'mulligan' is the term they use, if I recall correctly. So tonight I have been asked by many Republicans to request that the Affordable Act Website be given a mulligan. I have answered their request in the affirmative. In the spirit of bipartisanship and reaching across the aisle I will accommodate them once again. No questions, I do not wish to embarrass the Republicans any more then already is apparent to everyone.

Posted by: The Precedent [/i] at October 22, 2013 01:49 PM (U2UQk)

107 Of course, it costs money, but, based on my decades of IT experience, there is nothing to salvage.

Maybe the cover photo of Nostrilette. Maybe.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at October 22, 2013 01:50 PM (/kI1Q)

108 There is no way that Obamacare can become un-fucked up. It is wrong six ways from Sunday.

Posted by: Severe Conservative riding Orca at October 22, 2013 01:50 PM (RFeQD)

109 "70 I recommend funding it by a one-time tax on all registered Democrats of $100,000 apiece, and those who can't afford it get sold off for spare organs. Posted by: Cobalt Shiva at October 22, 2013 05:29 PM (OY/SZ) Fucking eh...THIS! Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Div at October 22, 2013 05:42 PM (FMbng)" Excellent. We should strive to emulate our future Chi-Com overlords.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at October 22, 2013 01:50 PM (sfOOx)

110 why do you want people to die, ace, before they have a chance to be death paneled?

Posted by: joeindc44 is totally not on Soros's pay now...right? at October 22, 2013 01:51 PM (QxSug)

111 So.. are those Obamacare applications just flooding in???

I'm sure you can't say too much, but just wondering how bad it really is and if you've had any word from the trenches..

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at October 22, 2013 05:44 PM (f9c2L)

They are being extremely quiet about it, only one comment that said almost nothing in a very specifically vague way.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes at October 22, 2013 01:52 PM (kXoT0)

112 There ya go Steny .... Libetards continue to try to Put Out the Fire with Gasoline

Posted by: Extremely grumpy momma bear at October 22, 2013 01:52 PM (PwoXD)

113 Over at Bloomberg News (I know, I know) Ramesh Ponnuru has an interview with a GOP Senator on deep background, no names used.

It's an absolutely priceless view of how the entrenched Beltway establishment think.

This Republican is making fun of people who called his office during the shutdown asking him not to vote for cloture on restart, because some callers didn't have the terminology quite right. They were urging him to vote against "keister" and "cluster" instead of "cloture". It's made clear that this Senator views them with dismissive contempt. As illiterate rubes and stupid hicks.

That's what the GOP establishment is down to. Mocking ordinary citizen voters for not having a perfect grasp of odd inside-baseball Congressional terminology that really isn't used in average daily life outside the Beltway.

Posted by: torquewrench at October 22, 2013 01:52 PM (gqT4g)

114 Posted by: WalrusRex at October 22, 2013 05:49 PM (XUKZU) The default position is that it is ALWAYS the fault of the Republicans so hopefully they'll have the cojones to vote against it.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 22, 2013 01:52 PM (23Kgq)

115 So they screwed up to the tune of $300,000,000; let's give them more money.

Posted by: Congresscritter with Snout in Taxpayer Trough at October 22, 2013 01:52 PM (DpI6K)

116 Promise us this, Ace, you're outta here the first day there are no new outrages from Washington...

Posted by: t-bird at October 22, 2013 01:53 PM (FcR7P)

117 "72 This is how politics are done 101. D's know obamacare is gonna be hated so now they're implementing ways to blame it on the Republicans. Please. Anyone who buys that is irretrievably in the Dem camp already. There are some good things about losing a budget fight, and having the other side pass things without a single yea vote from your side. This is one of them. Quit with the Eeyore nonsense already. The Dems may go ahead and spend the money, but they won't be fooling anyone, and every increment is now a testament to their inadequacies. Posted by: pep at October 22, 2013 05:43 PM (6TB1Z)" Besides, everyone knows that it's all actually the Italians' fault. Because the Italians are just that evil. And powerful. Because Mussolini.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at October 22, 2013 01:53 PM (sfOOx)

118 I'm with everyone else. The problem with the site wasn't that it was underfunded. It was that the design was flawed. Given all the facts, it's looking like it was designed to fail, giving the dems to steal even more wealth and take away more of our basic rights. Kcuf them all.

Posted by: elaine at October 22, 2013 01:53 PM (GNZ0/)

119

92Brandon In Baton Rouge: "A smart businessman would know when to cut their
losses instead of continuing to throw money down a bottomless hole..."

It's not their losses which is the oppression inherent in the system. Money? There's always more where that came from. Federal Apparatus: "Let's build another bonfire. Toss me that satchel of Benjamins, if you'd be so kind."

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Hence the problem. A bunch of Marxists deciding that the reason it doesn't work is NOT that they failed economics forever but, instead, that they didn't throw ENOUGH money at it.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at October 22, 2013 01:53 PM (/Crba)

120 113 Torquewrench,

it's Cornyn or Graham......

Posted by: sven10077 at October 22, 2013 01:54 PM (9jfyN)

121 A real opposition party would immediately jump on this and demand:
1. Mass firings from Sebulba on down.
2. Complete turn-over of all documents related to the project.

They have and are publicly calling for Sebelius to be fired.

The RNC recently sent an FOIA request for documents related to the project.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at October 22, 2013 01:55 PM (SY2Kh)

122 Ace, Do we need to come over there, take your laptop and do a vacation intervention? ;^)

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 22, 2013 01:55 PM (23Kgq)

123 "77 I lost all my feck. Posted by: Hoyer in the Foyer at October 22, 2013 05:44 PM (LSErD)" Feck! (Ah, Father Ted. Back when TeeVee was still watchable. But still strangely subversive.)

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at October 22, 2013 01:55 PM (sfOOx)

124 Obama's whole presidency is marked by panic spending and panic legislating. We've been veering and careening from one ad hoc panic decision to another. We passed a bill we haven't read in the middle of the night and then spent nearly a billion to make it a PR hit and ooops it still doesn't work, so we need to double down some more?

Posted by: joeindc44 is totally not on Soros's pay now...right? at October 22, 2013 01:55 PM (QxSug)

125 Imagine if Obama's mother had to sign up for Obamacare before being allowed cancer treatments? I'm just not convinced she wouldn't already be doomed by the logon interface. There's your pop-up death panel.

Posted by: Fritz at October 22, 2013 01:55 PM (UzPAd)

126 It's kind of like the public school system. The more money you give them, the bigger the failure. Maybe they should hire public school teachers and administrators to run the whole thing. At least then we won't be shocked at the poor results.

Posted by: nerdygirl at October 22, 2013 01:55 PM (DpI6K)

127 Steny, define 'affordable'

Posted by: fluffy at October 22, 2013 01:55 PM (oIA9+)

128 Just saw that McCain may run for Senate again.Wonderful.

Posted by: steevy at October 22, 2013 01:55 PM (zqvg6)

129

That's what the GOP establishment is down to. Mocking ordinary citizen voters for not having a perfect grasp of odd inside-baseball Congressional terminology that really isn't used in average daily life outside the Beltway.

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Ramesh should give the voters represented by that particular @sshole a heads-up as to what he thinks of them.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at October 22, 2013 01:55 PM (/Crba)

130 If they don't say it, but only imply it, they can count on their media friends to ignore the clear lie. It's also a *nod *wink for the media to redistribute the lie. SuperMetro & Change

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 22, 2013 01:56 PM (IXrOn)

131 Democrats ...never saw a problem that MORE OF OUR HARD EARNED $$$ could not fix !!!!! I HATE LIBETARDS AND RINOS GRRRRRRRRR

Posted by: Extremely grumpy momma bear at October 22, 2013 01:56 PM (PwoXD)

132 It was that the design was flawed. Given all the facts, it's looking like it was designed to fail, giving the dems to steal even more wealth and take away more of our basic rights.

Kcuf them all.

Posted by: elaine at October 22, 2013 05:53 PM (GNZ0/)

It did not even have to be designed to fail--the law, the regulations, and directives are that bad. As another poster put it--one cannot polish excrement, nor can one pick it up by the clean end.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes at October 22, 2013 01:56 PM (kXoT0)

133 It really surprises me that there isn't some crony company programmed into the website. "Oh, your best option would be the 'Short The US' plan from SorosCare..."

Posted by: t-bird at October 22, 2013 01:57 PM (FcR7P)

134 Hence the problem. A bunch of Marxists deciding that the reason it doesn't work is NOT that they failed economics forever but, instead, that they didn't throw ENOUGH money at it. It's like putting out a fire. You don't just throw a bucket of water at it. You pour thousands of gallons onto the smoking wreckage until the fire is out. Now, if $300 million is one bucket-full, how much water is that? Damn, I failed Trig.

Posted by: Lefty Logic[/i][/b] at October 22, 2013 01:57 PM (sByIH)

135 I think we all have to take the attitude that if rape is inevitable, we oughta relax and enjoy it.

My sphincter says no.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at October 22, 2013 01:57 PM (LSErD)

136 My money's on the party that can blockade the Washington monument and still get everything it wants.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at October 22, 2013 01:57 PM (uhAkr)

137 Embrace the Ace

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at October 22, 2013 01:58 PM (IXrOn)

138 Oh. You wanted a website that works.

Well, that wasn't in the spec.

Posted by: CGI Federal, Where Your Website Dreams Come True at October 22, 2013 01:58 PM (8ZskC)

139

120113 Torquewrench,

it's Cornyn or Graham......

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I'm thinking Cornyn.

Graham knows he has been on the Tea Party's radar long enough to try and avoid putting his foot in his mouth, even on "deep background".

Cornyn, though? He seems pretty upset that he's having to fight off a potential Tea Party challenger and is out of touch enough with the common voter who questions such a high-ranking GOP dimwit.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at October 22, 2013 01:59 PM (/Crba)

140 Hi its Barry with Obamacare! YouÂ’re gonna be in a great mood all day cause youÂ’re gonna be slappin your troubles with Obamacare. Now look hereÂ’s a Republican. One slap you got big chunks for stews, two slaps home fries in a second. Stop having boring insurance, stop having a boring life. Look at this youÂ’re gonna have an exciting life now. HereÂ’s a hard boiled egg. YouÂ’re gonna love my nuts. So easy, one finger, if I can do it with one finger you guys can do it with your whole hand. Stop throwing your money away. .Alright lifeÂ’s hard enough as it is. You donÂ’t wanna cry anymore. Guys weÂ’re gonna make America skinny again. But if you call now, within the next twenty minutes (you know we canÂ’t do this all day). HereÂ’s how to order!

Posted by: Barry Offer at October 22, 2013 01:59 PM (KHo8t)

141 Once we hear of those who now "successfully" signed up for a plan, how many will actually pay the monthly premiums?

I wonder if it'll be like those who get car insurance just for the proof of insurance card to show the cops or to the DMV when they want to renew the tags?

I'm betting on lots of LIV's who won't even pay the first premium

Posted by: kbdabear at October 22, 2013 01:59 PM (aTXUx)

142 Hence the problem. A bunch of Marxists deciding that the reason it doesn't work is NOT that they failed economics forever but, instead, that they didn't throw ENOUGH money at it. Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge The money is irrelevant to them. Really. It is about achieving a political goal, an appearance of achieving the 20th century Democrat Party dream of socializing medicine. Senator Ted Kennedy (Drunk - Massachusetts) labored for his entire political career to make this so. What's another $300 Million? Another $600 million? One Billion Dollars!! (finger in tooth ala Dr. Evil) It's all chump change to achieving their goal, of upending the Constitution and turning most of us into political serfs.

Posted by: Severe Conservative riding Orca at October 22, 2013 01:59 PM (RFeQD)

143 I didn't know #404Care was being implemented by the National Park Service?

Posted by: joeindc44 is totally not on Soros's pay now...right? at October 22, 2013 02:00 PM (QxSug)

144 Well, love each other fellow babies, I have to go relax...my BP insists.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes at October 22, 2013 02:00 PM (kXoT0)

145 No, Mr. Hoyer, $300,000,000 simply will not stand!

Would you settle for $299,000,000?

Posted by: GOP Bargaining Chip at October 22, 2013 02:00 PM (eHIJJ)

146 >>>As another poster put it--one cannot polish excrement, nor can one pick it up by the clean end.<<<

So Obamacare is like Solyndra times eleventy!!11

Posted by: Fritz at October 22, 2013 02:00 PM (UzPAd)

147 "80 " . Do we expect the folks who will clean up the mess to do it for free? Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at October" That or face the IRS audits Posted by: The Jackhole at October 22, 2013 05:44 PM (nTgAI)" No one expects the Marxist inquisition! Because all educated, intelligent people know that Marxists have never harmed anyone. They're just Care Bears. Really. Well-intentioned Care Bears. Full of love, compassion, and forgiveness. And honor.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at October 22, 2013 02:00 PM (sfOOx)

148 The charming thing is say we follow the McCain gang method and "fix" the gagglefuck....

HHS will undermine the fix....

Posted by: sven10077 at October 22, 2013 02:00 PM (9jfyN)

149 $300M which turns to $600M next year and $6B the year after that and $60B the year after that.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at October 22, 2013 02:00 PM (0LHZx)

150 "Cost over-runs on the F-35 are worse, much worse."

That program really exemplifies D.C. dysfunction, and it's a sobering precedent when you reflect on how Obamacare will shake out.

It's been clear for about ten years to those who follow defense aerospace that the F-35 is a failed program. So seriously failed that it is actually now a national security risk in its own right. And yet... the F-35 never dies. No serious attempt is ever made to kill and replace it. That's not even proposed other than by a handful of powerless political outsiders.

The only thing the Capitol Hill and Pentagon establishments can think of is to throw even more money at the damn thing. While closing off every other alternate avenue of development, like keeping the F-22 program going. So that when the F-35 finally collapses, there will be no backup.

Now, when I hear people say, "Oh, Obamacare will get repealed once it's clear what a disaster it is," I get a sinking feeling. The Beltway mandarins don't repeal failure. They reinforce failure. They'll just throw more and more money at the shitpile, trying to get it to do what it was originally claimed to do. The turd isn't yet polished to a gleam? Buy the best available high speed polisher. That'll surely work.

Posted by: torquewrench at October 22, 2013 02:01 PM (gqT4g)

151 Imagine if Obama's mother had to sign up for Obamacare before being allowed cancer treatments?

1) In fascist health care systems, ruling party insiders always get everything they need.

2) He hated her anyway (somewhat justifiably, but at some point you have to grow up and deal with it), so why would he care?

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at October 22, 2013 02:01 PM (/kI1Q)

152

Obamacare : Powered by Minx 0.7 alpha.

Posted by: The Jackhole at October 22, 2013 02:01 PM (nTgAI)

153 "...the House minority whip and Maryland Democrat said, 'We can give them a little money.'" Yeah, sure, why not? The majority of that won't be coming out of his fucking pocket. Slimy piece of shit.

Posted by: Low-Information-Voter at October 22, 2013 02:01 PM (vd7A8)

154 didn't Krugman say that the stimulus would have worked really well if it had been twice as large? And if the stimulus had been twice as large to start with, wouldn't Krugman say the same thing anyway?

Posted by: mallfly at October 22, 2013 02:01 PM (bJm7W)

155 So Obamacare is like Solyndra times eleventy!!11

Posted by: Fritz at October 22, 2013 06:00 PM (UzPAd)

It's like Solyndra bundled into a Tesla Karma--fire extinguisher not included.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes at October 22, 2013 02:01 PM (kXoT0)

156 Clowns.
Posses.
All of DC.
Some ass'y required.

Failing that? Tumbrels and guillotines and mobs of outraged, offal-throwing taxpayers. Or a yardarm and rope.

Yes, I mean it. Enough of these fools is enough. My dogs conduct their lives better.

Posted by: backhoe at October 22, 2013 02:01 PM (ULH4o)

157 I am eating fresh cooked bacon. It is goooooood. That is all.

Posted by: Mayday at October 22, 2013 02:01 PM (eHc+1)

158 Fucking leftard solution to every fucking problem is throw other people's money at it. Every fucking time. Fuck them. They already pissed away enough to get 50 fucking websites running. maybe more. Fuck them.

Posted by: maddogg at October 22, 2013 02:02 PM (xWW96)

159 Hey, I just noticed that Ace posted this....

OK guys, bring out the boring ..

Tablecloths: Vinyl or Cloth?

Posted by: kbdabear at October 22, 2013 02:02 PM (aTXUx)

160 I'm betting on lots of LIV's who won't even pay the first premium

Pay the what?

Posted by: Typical Obama Voter at October 22, 2013 02:02 PM (/kI1Q)

161 "81 Fine. Let's start by taking all of Steny's money and throwing it at the problem. Tell any Dem who asks for more money after that that their personal wealth will be taken next. Lather, rinse, repeat. Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX at October 22, 2013 05:44 PM (PZ6/M)" Silly cracker. Marxism is about other people's money. Later, all. God bless. :-)

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at October 22, 2013 02:02 PM (sfOOx)

162 OT: Chick arrested for squirting water out of a water pistol on her boyfriend. Yeah, that's right. We're completely fucking nuts. Oh, I forgot to mention thee was escalation. There was a pillow fight involved.

http://tinyurl.com/l3obxbu

Posted by: WalrusRex at October 22, 2013 02:02 PM (XUKZU)

163 They have and are publicly calling for Sebelius to be fired. The RNC recently sent an FOIA request for documents related to the project. Posted by: Hollowpoint Those documents will never see the light of day.

Posted by: Severe Conservative riding Orca at October 22, 2013 02:02 PM (RFeQD)

164 139 brandon in BR,
said earlier I lean Cornyn...

I pray nothing saves Graham

Posted by: sven10077 at October 22, 2013 02:02 PM (9jfyN)

165

The money is irrelevant to them. Really. It is about achieving a political goal, an appearance of achieving the 20th century Democrat Party dream of socializing medicine. Senator Ted Kennedy (Drunk - Massachusetts) labored for his entire political career to make this so.

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The absolutely hilarious thing, IMHO, is that Teddy could actual have had this around 40 years ago if he wasn't bullheaded enough to reject it because Nixon had been the one to propose it.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at October 22, 2013 02:02 PM (/Crba)

166 Tablecloths: Vinyl or Cloth?

The vinyl ones with the fuzzy backs make nice design walls for quilting.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at October 22, 2013 02:03 PM (/kI1Q)

167
Here's the bad part, they can't do a website, but they want everybody's medical information on a database. Remember that part, all the doctors have to go digital records.

I'm pretty sure Type A blood will go to a Type B person and that somebody in for a Heart Stent will end up getting Colon Surgery.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at October 22, 2013 02:03 PM (LSErD)

168 So NOW we find out what Nancy P meant. We are finding out that there's NOTHING in it.

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at October 22, 2013 02:03 PM (74+P+)

169 The turd isn't yet polished to a gleam? Buy the best available high speed polisher. Chroming the Turd: Dreams of My Presidency, by [Insert Politician Here]

Posted by: Paid for by Citizens for Clyde the Orangutan at October 22, 2013 02:04 PM (QF8uk)

170 Sign up for ObamaCare (snicker)
Receive Dossier Account number
Declare same with IRS
Cancel ObamaCare Account

WINNING

This is what the LIV's plan to do if push comes to shove. They don't understand it won't work like they think. And never was going to work like they thought.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Ecclesiates 9:11) at October 22, 2013 02:04 PM (lAZep)

171 Chroming the turd, da Zero legacy. The story of his life. Excellent.

Posted by: maddogg at October 22, 2013 02:05 PM (xWW96)

172 It wouldn't be so sad, but people actually believe this shit. Rumor has it that they are, otherwise, sane people.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at October 22, 2013 02:05 PM (f/b0z)

173 All you folks without jobs might want to wander down to the local junior collage and take some programming courses....there is going to be full employment for a long time for #404Care coders. Stop and think about this--this is just about enrolling people in insurance, it is nothing compared to adjudicating a claim, complete with Coordination of Benefits (COB), and providing the consumer and the provider with a correct and complete Explanation of Benefits (EOB) all within a 30 day time period using the 120,000 ICD codes that are used to make a claim.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes at October 22, 2013 02:06 PM (kXoT0)

174 Oh, I forgot to mention thee was escalation. There was a pillow fight involved.

http://tinyurl.com/l3obxbu
Posted by: WalrusRex at October 22, 2013 06:02 PM

Thee has sundered mine bonnet

Posted by: Rebecca Stoltzfus at October 22, 2013 02:06 PM (aTXUx)

175 "Imagine if Obama's mother had to sign up for Obamacare before being allowed cancer treatments?"

Worth remembering that Obama repeatedly claimed in 2008 that his mom died because she didn't have health insurance when she got cancer. Not a word of that was actually true.

Posted by: torquewrench at October 22, 2013 02:06 PM (gqT4g)

176 The website cost an enormous amount of money and went to a non American company that was questionable simply by the fact that they were apparently fired years before.

Now they want help from the best and brightest Americans because they are Americans and are patriotic. There has been an interview of John McAfee going around in emails. Essentially he says he was asked for help but decided not to allow them to use his name but not help. It's worth listening to the interview. I don't have a real link for it, got it in email so I hope someone else knows the interview I'm speaking about.

Posted by: just a citizen at October 22, 2013 02:06 PM (Nx76m)

177 That's what the GOP establishment is down to. Mocking ordinary citizen voters for not having a perfect grasp of odd inside-baseball Congressional terminology that really isn't used in average daily life outside the Beltway.

Please. How seriously would you take someone demanding a vote against keister and to stand with Tom Cruise?

Not all LIVs are Dems or squishy Independents.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at October 22, 2013 02:06 PM (SY2Kh)

178 sorry, college, not collage

Oh, and translating that EOB into one of the official 181 languages other than English.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes at October 22, 2013 02:07 PM (kXoT0)

179 sorry, college, not collage

Oh, and translating that EOB into one of the official 181 languages other than English.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes at October 22, 2013 06:07 PM (kXoT0)

Sorry, we can't take you seriously anymore

Posted by: The Jackhole at October 22, 2013 02:08 PM (nTgAI)

180 182 Hollowpoint,

Now go out there and vote GOP you tards....

see you next fall

Posted by: sven10077 at October 22, 2013 02:08 PM (9jfyN)

181 This request for additional funds is only the beginning. Oops, more people "unexpectedly" (take your pick: signed up for Medicaid, had pre-existing conditions, were old, started using medical care now that they're insured, and my personal favorite...need additional subsidies to be able to use their insurance because, surprise!, the deductibles were higher than they expected). And the band played on.

Posted by: Mayday at October 22, 2013 02:08 PM (eHc+1)

182 sven10077: "it's Cornyn or Graham..."

Speaking of... Cornyn's been buying ads by wheelbarrow to sell his conservative bona fides. Senator Cruz, meanwhile, has been greeted like a victorious general returning from war. Eight minute standing "O". Reception venues needing to be upgraded to handle the spiking RSVPs. The state GOP politicians saying, "Yeah, I'm like that Cruz guy."

There's not a politician in the country that wouldn't wish to have Cruz's popularity and numbers right now.

So some money to go the Senate Conservative Fund would be especially timely about now. Cornyn's feeling the heat. He could use some more.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at October 22, 2013 02:09 PM (eHIJJ)

183 This is an utterly fantastic idea. Republicans in the House should unanimouly pass a tripling of the budget for ObamaCare Web development. And give them four weeks to fix it.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at October 22, 2013 02:09 PM (v2wcZ)

184 174 Sign up for ObamaCare (snicker)
Receive Dossier Account number
Declare same with IRS
Cancel ObamaCare Account

WINNING

This is what the LIV's plan to do if push comes to shove. They don't understand it won't work like they think. And never was going to work like they thought.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Ecclesiates 9:11) at October 22, 2013 06:04 PM (lAZep)

As for the subsidies, aren't they provided in the form of tax deductions rather than premium reductions upon billing?

Posted by: Rebecca Stoltzfus at October 22, 2013 02:09 PM (aTXUx)

185 Hell give them until December 31st

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at October 22, 2013 02:10 PM (v2wcZ)

186 Be optimistic: After the Obamacare website roll out debacle we'll be ready to endure the bread lines.
See, glass half full.

Posted by: Dancing Queen at October 22, 2013 02:10 PM (FDGeg)

187 Those documents will never see the light of day.

Maybe not, but being refused the documents gives them standing to sue.

At the very least it would provide a talking point about a coverup and lack of transparency.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at October 22, 2013 02:10 PM (SY2Kh)

188 177 Mallamutt,

actually true IMHO...

she was pretending she had de jure Executive Privvy

Posted by: sven10077 at October 22, 2013 02:10 PM (9jfyN)

189 >>>127 Steny, define 'affordable' Posted by: fluffy yes please. we already know rich billionaire = $250,000.

Posted by: Barry Offer at October 22, 2013 02:10 PM (KHo8t)

190 And give them four weeks to fix it. Or a parallel conservative system becomes legal.

Posted by: Paid for by Citizens for Clyde the Orangutan at October 22, 2013 02:11 PM (QF8uk)

191 Two things: 1. Brook's Law 2. You can be assured the one thing the one ailing thing associated with ObamaCare that won't ever be getting tons of money thrown at it to make it better is you.

Posted by: Baron bon Mot at October 22, 2013 02:11 PM (CDHEw)

192 Sorry, we can't take you seriously anymore

Posted by: The Jackhole at October 22, 2013 06:08 PM (nTgAI)

Yeah, it all sounds cuckoo bananas, but, sadly, it is not. If you have just a handful of subscribers (I can't remember the #, but, it is not greater than 5) who identify a specific language other than English as their preferred language for getting the EOB, you are required by law to translate said EOB flawlessly and free of charge .

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes at October 22, 2013 02:11 PM (kXoT0)

193 "Here's the bad part, they can't do a website, but they want everybody's medical information on a database. Remember that part, all the doctors have to go digital records."

One of the Horde related that their hospital had just done the transition to electronic medical records, and their doctor was very confused on reviewing their chart. It turns out the Horde member's record had been merged with that of another patient. To include diseases the other person had, but the moron in question did not. And to include surgeries the other person had had.

Nothing could go wrong as a result of that, you can be sure.

Note also that you can expect for a shit-ton of back records to get mislaid or deleted during this transition. If there is important health information at your doctor's office, you better lay hands on your own personal private permanent copy of it, pronto. A good idea at all times, all the more so now.

Posted by: torquewrench at October 22, 2013 02:12 PM (gqT4g)

194 Chick arrested for squirting Pics or it dodn't happen...

Posted by: rickb223 at October 22, 2013 02:12 PM (h1D+w)

195 Please. How seriously would you take someone demanding a vote against keister and to stand with Tom Cruise? Not all LIVs are Dems or squishy Independents. I sincerely doubt the Congressman actually talked to the people. That's the report from someone in his office who would be in no mood to give the benefit of the doubt to a person who opposed what he was going to do. The fact is they cared enough to call his office and they got the last name of Ted Cruz correct-and BTW, Cruz and Cruise sound the same. I think the Congressman sounds like an insulting man.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 22, 2013 02:12 PM (23Kgq)

196 186 This request for additional funds is only the beginning. Oops, more people "unexpectedly" (take your pick: signed up for Medicaid, had pre-existing conditions, were old, started using medical care now that they're insured, and my personal favorite...need additional subsidies to be able to use their insurance because, surprise!, the deductibles were higher than they expected). And the band played on.

That's where I am. Can they just jack the rates of everyone else, or do they need an appropriation in excess of the amounts specified in the original OCare bill. Yes, I understand that Obama cares not a whit for the law, but if the money isn't there, it isn't there. There is just no way in hell that the GOP will vote to pull his ass out of the fire on this by voting more money. Well, possibly excepting Marco Rubio, who needs to jump in said fire.

Posted by: pep at October 22, 2013 02:12 PM (6TB1Z)

197 Wait till the doofus hipsters in the Colorado ad try to figure out deductibles and copays ...

"Dude, like it's paid for already, right?"

Posted by: kbdabear at October 22, 2013 02:13 PM (aTXUx)

198 If you get a chance watch the CNBC discussion with the coach guy. It seems to me this is one of the first signs that the middle class is having a real struggle. Once the AHC law hits, coupled with the AMT still firmly in place, you are going to see a lot of Americans spending less cause they just don't have it there to spend. Sort of the working poor expanding into the middle class.

Posted by: just a citizen at October 22, 2013 02:13 PM (Nx76m)

199 My 196, part 2, in English: 2. You can be assured the one ailing thing associated with ObamaCare that won't ever be getting tons of money thrown at it to make it better is you. And it's Brooks, not Brook. The man responsible for the error has been shot.

Posted by: Baron bon Mot at October 22, 2013 02:14 PM (CDHEw)

200 yet another thing for the long wished for special prosecutor to work on.

Posted by: joeindc44 is totally not on Soros's pay now...right? at October 22, 2013 02:15 PM (QxSug)

201 If you get a chance watch the CNBC discussion with the coach guy. It seems to me this is one of the first signs that the middle class is having a real struggle. Once the AHC law hits, coupled with the AMT still firmly in place, you are going to see a lot of Americans spending less cause they just don't have it there to spend. Sort of the working poor expanding into the middle class.

Posted by: just a citizen at October 22, 2013 06:13 PM (Nx76m)

The medical device tax is already causing start-ups to fold. So, there go advancements in medicine. It is now too expensive to innovate on your own dime--no matter how good your idea is.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes at October 22, 2013 02:15 PM (kXoT0)

202 >>>As for the subsidies, aren't they provided in the form of tax deductions rather than premium reductions upon billing? Posted by: Rebecca Stoltzfus if that's true Obamacare has zero chance of success.

Posted by: Barry Offer at October 22, 2013 02:16 PM (KHo8t)

203 Last time I went on vacation I couldn't quit the Horde either.
Of course the fish weren't biting.

Posted by: DaveA at October 22, 2013 02:16 PM (DL2i+)

204 Wait till the doofus hipsters in the Colorado ad try to figure out deductibles and copays ...

"Dude, like it's paid for already, right?"

Posted by: kbdabear at October 22, 2013 06:13 PM (aTXUx)

Yup, after they experience a $5000 deductible for the first time--excrement may just get real.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes at October 22, 2013 02:17 PM (kXoT0)

205 The RNC recently sent an FOIA request for documents related to the project. Posted by: Hollowpoint Those documents will never see the light of day. That would be funny. The requirements and design documents get shredded just when they're trying to "rewrite" five million lines of code.

Posted by: t-bird at October 22, 2013 02:17 PM (FcR7P)

206 Shit just got chromed.

Posted by: X at October 22, 2013 02:19 PM (KHo8t)

207 While it's true that your Medical Care will be of low cost, they don't mention the other fees that Hospitals and Doctors will be adding on.

Think how the major Airlines do fees.

Waiting room Services == 5.00
Appointment Setting == 2.00
Appointment Cancel == 20.00
Failure to Show == 30.00
BP measure == 5.00
Paper wrapper on exam bench == 10.00
Misc. Exam expendables == 5.00

Think it won't happen?

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Ecclesiates 9:11) at October 22, 2013 02:21 PM (lAZep)

208 That would be funny. The requirements and design documents get shredded just when they're trying to "rewrite" five million lines of code.

Posted by: t-bird at October 22, 2013 06:17 PM (FcR7P)

That's cute that you think they HAD requirements and design documents.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes at October 22, 2013 02:22 PM (kXoT0)

209 The one thing Obama has going for him with this....Silicon Valley is 90% Democrat. He will get a lot of resources free of charge from his buddies at Yahoo, Google, Twitter, Facebook, etc

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at October 22, 2013 02:22 PM (0LHZx)

210 The fact is they cared enough to call his office and they got the last name of Ted Cruz correct-and BTW, Cruz and Cruise sound the same. I think the Congressman sounds like an insulting man.

The point being made was that people were calling at the behest of third party groups. That they didn't fully understand what they were asking for, rather just calling because someone said they should.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at October 22, 2013 02:24 PM (SY2Kh)

211 does anyone know if the free birth control requirement can be satisfied with a pair of locking concrete panties? I'm asking for a friend.

Posted by: X at October 22, 2013 02:26 PM (KHo8t)

212 214 The one thing Obama has going for him with this....Silicon Valley is 90% Democrat. He will get a lot of resources free of charge from his buddies at Yahoo, Google, Twitter, Facebook, etc

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at October 22, 2013 06:22 PM (0LHZx)

You'd think they would have enough self respect to realize that the contract was given to a Canadian company with most of the workers in India and follow nancy raegan's advice to just say no. But saying no is a double edged sword cause then they can be accused of being unpatriotic. A friend was telling me these guys in India went onto the internet asking for help, that they were in way over their head.

Posted by: just a citizen at October 22, 2013 02:26 PM (Nx76m)

213 And the economic death spiral continues.

It wasn't the Wall street crash that caused the Depression.

It was the shrink back out of fear of the unknown.

Banks are fairly risk averse and so are most businesses.

That's why 3rd world countries are 3rd world countries.

No one knows from one minute to the next what will be illegal/seized/confiscated/destroyed.

We had such a massive economy that all the tinkering and added blocks that were inserted in the interest of special interests and "fairness" and "equality" didn't affect it much but it made it more fragile.

When the planes hit the Towers is when it began and everything since then has just been a slo mo collapse due to the weight of all the bullshit.

Nothing can be done until it all shakes out but by then the Dems will have ensured that no recovery can happen and we will have either a command control economy (i.e. 3rd world dictatorship) or secession and balkanization of the states.

And the Repubs have been in on the destruction from the get go.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Ecclesiates 9:11) at October 22, 2013 02:28 PM (lAZep)

214 214 The one thing Obama has going for him with this....Silicon Valley is 90% Democrat. He will get a lot of resources free of charge from his buddies at Yahoo, Google, Twitter, Facebook, etc

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at October 22, 2013 06:22 PM (0LHZx)

Or maybe this is what Hoyer wants the extra money for.

Posted by: davidt at October 22, 2013 02:28 PM (rkewj)

215 That's bogus, because callers for the shutdown, are much more informed, then the idiots who were against.

Posted by: jeffrey pelt at October 22, 2013 02:29 PM (Jsiw/)

216 Posted by: Hollowpoint at October 22, 2013 06:24 PM (SY2Kh) Everyone who calls Congresspeople who doesn't know the term "cloture" is calling at the behest of a third party group? And anyway, what's wrong with calling at the behest of a third party group? Democrats never the people calling at the behest of a third party group?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 22, 2013 02:29 PM (23Kgq)

217 Re-Factor, bitches.

Posted by: JessePinkman'sPython at October 22, 2013 02:30 PM (kduZC)

218 Mean t" Democrats never have people calling", etc....

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 22, 2013 02:30 PM (23Kgq)

219 Or maybe this is what Hoyer wants the extra money for. He's from Maryland. He probably wants somebody in DC to fix the boondoogle, not Silicon Valley

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at October 22, 2013 02:32 PM (23Kgq)

220 Ace, you suck at taking a vacation.

Posted by: Kensington at October 22, 2013 02:37 PM (Yy2ZT)

221 Well, to a hammer, everything must get nailed.

Posted by: John the Libertarian at October 22, 2013 02:38 PM (/rhjC)

222 I think we'll see the combination of Murphy's Law + TOO MANY COOKS = Murphy's Law on steroids.

Posted by: reggie love at October 22, 2013 02:41 PM (hpgw1)

223 Sure! Let's hire nine women so we can make a baby in one month.

Posted by: John the Libertarian at October 22, 2013 02:43 PM (/rhjC)

224 Moar is better, right?

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/u][/s] at October 22, 2013 02:51 PM (l5zzX)

225 The ACA site is one you can consider the 'Boat Project' Because, how do you keep a boat afloat? You have to keep throwing money at it. Boats are just money holes in the water. Hence, the Boat Project

Posted by: Mr. Wolf at October 22, 2013 03:30 PM (Ss56U)

226 Love how the price tag jumped from $300 million to $400 million in one paragraph. Don't blink!

Posted by: Fen at October 22, 2013 03:34 PM (a422o)

227 For all you 'rons in Hoyer's state, may I recommend this site:

http://fuck-you.org/

...to send him your response for this insulting request.

I especially like this one...

http://fuck-you.org/sendcard.php

Posted by: CPT. Charles at October 22, 2013 04:04 PM (kfSXj)

228 Oh poo... well, I tried.

(The Statue of Liberty php card...)

Posted by: CPT. Charles at October 22, 2013 04:05 PM (kfSXj)

229 "Sure! Let's hire nine women so we can make a baby in one month." Quote of the day.

Posted by: Andrew at October 22, 2013 05:40 PM (VjlMj)

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