June 15, 2013

No Smoking Gun [OregonMuse]]
— Open Blogger

On Friday, ace had some choice words to say about witless boob Robert Mueller and his assurances that, as head of the FBI, he has top. men. investigating the IRS scandal:

He literally knows nothing. Obviously he could know these things, were he actually interested in the case.

Plainly he is not, and when the boss doesn't care about something, the employees quickly get that sense of it and comport themselves to the boss' actual feelings.

Emphasis mine. This reminds me of an article on the American Thinker blog that Rush mentioned a few days ago that makes the argument that conservatives who are looking for a smoking gun to link one or more of the current scandals directly back to Obama are going to be disappointed. The author supports his case by bringing up an historical fact I had not heard before:

Very few people are aware of this, but there is no document -- not one -- linking Adolf Hitler to the Holocaust. Why not? Because Hitler didn't need to sign a document ordering the slaughter of six million Jews. All he needed to do was to demonize his enemy in speeches at the Reichstag, on the radio, and from one end of Germany to the other -- then hire thugs like Herman Goering, Heinrich Himmler, Adolf Eichmann, and Josef Goebbels. They knew what der Fuhrer wanted, and der Fuhrer knew he could trust his henchman to get the job done -- no matter how, no matter what may be the law -- and to not bother him with the gory details.

So all Obama has to do is publicly castigate and demonize his those who oppose his policies (which he has done many times), and thugs like Eric Holder and Lois Lerner swing into action. No need for anyone to tell them what to do. They know what pleases Obama, and they will use the means at their disposal to carry out his wishes, to wit: to suppress and neutralize his enemies. Conservatives get on Obama for being a crappy leader, but that's not completely accurate. This is leadership. It's leadership, Chicago-style.

The lack of direct documentary evidence linking Hitler to genocide is interesting and if he had been captured alive, I'm not sure how the Nuremberg prosecutors would have built a case against him. Especially if he had pulled an Obama, thrown Himmler and Goering under the bus and piously claimed that the first time he had heard of the whole death camp thing was when he had read about them in the papers.

(Disclaimer: No, I am not saying that Obama is contemplating mass murder. However, I am saying he is a punk and a thug who has surrounded himself with punks and thugs and we're seeing the result of his thuggery every day.)

Added: Video of Robert Mueller's testimony below the fold:

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1 First?

Posted by: shredded chi at June 15, 2013 09:06 AM (5QTeW)

2 There are days like these that I don't recognize my country anymore. My last, best hope is some sort of revival, sort of what happened when Reagan took over after Carter. Otherwise, it'll be one mediocrity after another.

Posted by: GuyfromNH at June 15, 2013 09:06 AM (cJD7u)

3 He and all his henchmen belong in jail.

Posted by: Vic at June 15, 2013 09:08 AM (lZvxr)

4 Obama and his ilk aren't contemplating mass murder yet.

However, it is an inevitable result of the path they are taking.

Posted by: cranky-d at June 15, 2013 09:08 AM (y1rgI)

5 I tried to emphasize the "yet" by italicizing it, but that failed to save.  So much for technology.

Posted by: cranky-d at June 15, 2013 09:08 AM (y1rgI)

6 This is what is meant by the liberal "hive-mind". If you understand liberal ideology, you understand what actions it implies. If you actually agree with liberal ideology, you take those actions. The law or ethics be damned.

Posted by: Sudden Clarity Clarence at June 15, 2013 09:09 AM (jFA0K)

7 No, I am not saying that Obama is contemplating mass murder. Bill Ayers certainly did. Make of that what you will.

Posted by: rickl at June 15, 2013 09:09 AM (sdi6R)

8 When the Christians are finally ripe, he will try to pick the fruit.

Posted by: RiverC at June 15, 2013 09:09 AM (KTytI)

9 The low level IRS people have already publicly stated that the orders for targeting conservatives came from Washington.


Whether that was OBama or the Rat-face Iranian makes little difference.

Posted by: Vic at June 15, 2013 09:10 AM (lZvxr)

10 I like that people are giving him a pass because the organization is so big and has so many cases going all the time.  That would indicate that Director Mueller walked into this hearing without knowing what it was about.  I am sure staff could have rounded up some pertinent information for him before he went to the hearing.  Instead he looks like a big dummy incompetent running another incompetent government organization with your life in their hands.  I think that is the goal.

Posted by: Cindy Munford at June 15, 2013 09:10 AM (6MiMG)

11 "Will no one rid me of this turbulent priest?"

Posted by: Henry II at June 15, 2013 09:11 AM (Cnqmv)

12 I tried to emphasize the "yet" by italicizing it, but that failed to save. So much for technology.

Posted by: cranky-d at June 15, 2013 01:08 PM (y1rgI)



I trust you realize the comment box toolbar is merely a decorative decal without any actual function, used to make the blog appear to running on cutting edge 2002 technology.

Posted by: mugiwara at June 15, 2013 09:11 AM (6BnTn)

13 And damn. I hate when everybody else does that. Back on topic, I forgot about that lack of paper trail directly to AH. I certainly see the relevance, and it's probably important to make note of it. I'm just going to personally use caution comparing O to Hitler, simply because I remember the left making that comparison every day not so long ago.

Posted by: shredded chi at June 15, 2013 09:11 AM (5QTeW)

14 sorry, But I'm going OT already.  I have a Mac laptop and love it but so many sites don't open properly with Safari. I downloaded Firefox today. I'm a bit confused here with it.


Mueller was lying.  I hope that meteor I keep wishing for hits DC soon, when TFG is there.

Posted by: CarolT at June 15, 2013 09:13 AM (z4WKX)

15
"My last, best hope is some sort of revival, sort of what happened when Reagan took over after Carter."

Even Reagan could not kill the beast.

Posted by: Dept of Education at June 15, 2013 09:13 AM (Opo0Q)

16 An Imperial whisper has the force of law, but without all the paperwork!

Posted by: Hrothgar at June 15, 2013 09:13 AM (Cnqmv)

17 "10 I like that people are giving him a pass because the organization is so big and has so many cases going all the time"


If the CEO of a company in the news as much as this IRS thing has been in the news walked into Congress and said "I don't really know what's going on at my company with regards to all this news", that CEO would be fired immediately. Once again we see the double standard to which public sector management is held vs. the allegedly "crooked" private sector. The entire public sector is managed by people's whose sole skill is self-promotion, as far as I can tell.

Posted by: Sudden Clarity Clarence at June 15, 2013 09:15 AM (jFA0K)

18 Interesting about Hitler, but it makes sense. I'd expect that any document linking Obama to anything was shredded long ago.

Posted by: Lauren at June 15, 2013 09:16 AM (wsGWu)

19 Carter had only four years to do damage to the US, The JEF will have eight unless it's revealed that he and his admin directing the IRS and and others to investigate conservative organizations. Yesterday I read that Sharyl Atkisson's computer had been broken into but they didn't know who did it.  If we can prove it was TFG then we can impeach.  I know it will never happen.

The people in this country aren't interested in the scandals anymore. Why?

Posted by: CarolT at June 15, 2013 09:18 AM (z4WKX)

20

If the CEO of a company in the news as much as this IRS thing has been in the news walked into Congress and said "I don't really know what's going on at my company with regards to all this news", that CEO would be fired immediately. Once again we see the double standard to which public sector management is held vs. the allegedly "crooked" private sector. The entire public sector is managed by people's whose sole skill is self-promotion, as far as I can tell.

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^^This.  Suggestion.  Can we start calling it the 'government sector' instead of the public sector.  Seems more appropriate.

Posted by: Infidel at June 15, 2013 09:19 AM (gqEUi)

21
The people in this country aren't interested in the scandals anymore. Why?
Posted by: CarolT
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Scandals? What  'scandals'?

Posted by: Mainstream Media at June 15, 2013 09:20 AM (aDwsi)

22 I heard one of the congressmen say (Rep. Jim Jordan?) that Mueller had the questions a WEEK ahead of the hearing.

Posted by: Tami[/i][/b][/u][/s] at June 15, 2013 09:20 AM (X6akg)

23 ^^This. Suggestion. Can we start calling it the 'government sector' instead of the public sector. Seems more appropriate. Posted by: Infidel
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GovCo

Posted by: Mike Hammer at June 15, 2013 09:21 AM (aDwsi)

24 I heard one of the congressmen say (Rep. Jim Jordan?) that Mueller had the questions a WEEK ahead of the hearing. Posted by: Tami
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I didn't know that...

Posted by: Mueller at June 15, 2013 09:21 AM (aDwsi)

25 The issue it stake isn’t about Obama, nor should it be. You can tarnish Obama all you want – but he’s not running again. The more important point is to discredit him and his outlook. While it certainly is scary if the President is directing bits of the government to attack his political enemies, it is far more threatening if parts of the government mobilize on their own to go attack specific political views. If the government itself develops a strong “immune system” to threaten and attack those who would seek to restrain it, that’s a huge and persistent problem. Impeaching Obama would be viscerally satisfying and be something of a vindication for his opponents. But it would be a pyrrhic victory. Half the country would remain convinced that he was being persecuted and maybe one or two people in ten would draw any useful conclusions about Big Government and Utopia. It is way, way more important to discredit Obama’s ideals – we need to focus not on Obama, but the way of thinking that allowed him get elected.

Posted by: Bravo Romeo Delta at June 15, 2013 09:22 AM (AVQdh)

26 Holocaust denial comes in various flavored. One particularly insidious flavor is just what you are suggesting. Hitler knew nothing about it; Himmler and the guys did it on their own. That transforms the Holocaust from a Nazi crime to a crime against the Nazis. Obama is playing a similar game.

Posted by: WalrusRex at June 15, 2013 09:22 AM (VlXYw)

27 I don't think Meuller is as hapless as he appeared in that hearing. I think he is dissembling. If he investigates too successfully, Ear Leader with replacement him with a fill-on Chicago thug toady, who will do to the FBI what has been done to DOJ. It would certainly be the height of irony, though, to see the FBI run by the sort of people it once put in prison.

Posted by: Juan de Hattatime at June 15, 2013 09:22 AM (CqZmo)

28 (Disclaimer: No, I am not saying that Obama is contemplating mass murder. However, I am saying he is a punk and a thug who has surrounded himself with punks and thugs and we're seeing the result of his thuggery every day.) May I point out that Obama started his political career in the kitchen of a guy who did contemplate the mass murder of 25 million Americans.

Posted by: Minuteman at June 15, 2013 09:22 AM (dSE0q)

29 Actually I should point out to the author of that article of a fallacy in his reading of history.

Ein Fuhrer!  The new German leader so ordered the Final Solution.  He did not need to write out a document.  Through his speeches he ordered the extermination of Jews.  Beifel unt beifel.

It was the bureaucrats like Eichmann and Heydrich when they gathered at meetings like the Wannsee Conference that the plans were enumerated as memos.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at June 15, 2013 09:22 AM (BPdDg)

30 You're right, of course.  Thank you very much.

Posted by: Bronco Bama at June 15, 2013 09:23 AM (hHgxI)

31 Tami Yep he had the questions in advance

Posted by: phoenixgirl@phxazgrl at June 15, 2013 09:23 AM (Esx8P)

32 Otherwise, it'll be one mediocrity after another.

Posted by: GuyfromNH at June 15, 2013 01:06 PM (cJD7u)

 

-- I don't think there will be very many opportunities

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at June 15, 2013 09:24 AM (R8hU8)

33 These episodes also put the lie to Obama's claim that "the government is us". Bullshit. I have nothing in common with these fucking assholes and I would laugh my ass off watching them die a a fire. Fuck them all.

"Can we start calling it the 'government sector' instead of the public sector. Seems more appropriate."


We could call it the "useless white liberal arts graduates and the minorities they keep on their plantation sector".

Posted by: Sudden Clarity Clarence at June 15, 2013 09:25 AM (jFA0K)

34 With all of these globe trotting "fact-finding" junkets the Obama Administration has taking recently, I've often wondered if Barry isn't looking for the Ark of the Covenant.

Posted by: Fritz at June 15, 2013 09:26 AM (G9Mmf)

35 " we need to focus not on Obama, but the way of thinking that allowed him get elected. " You figure that one out, and you'd get a Nobel Prize. Not that anyone would want it, but...

Posted by: shredded chi at June 15, 2013 09:26 AM (5QTeW)

36

Yep he had the questions in advance.

 

Which indicates this is all planned.  Fundemental Transformation.

Posted by: Infidel at June 15, 2013 09:27 AM (gqEUi)

37 I heard one of the congressmen say (Rep. Jim Jordan?) that Mueller had the questions a WEEK ahead of the hearing.

Posted by: Tami at June 15, 2013 01:20 PM (X6akg)


That's normal now,

Posted by: Vic at June 15, 2013 09:28 AM (lZvxr)

38 Much to Gabe's disappointment, it turns out that PRISM is just the tip of the iceberg as far as the NSA's warrant wiretapping of America's internet data transfer is concerned. - http://tinyurl.com/lb5b4wc


Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at June 15, 2013 09:28 AM (U+vgB)

39 At some point the destroyers don't need to be told to protect the battleship. They move out on their own. Same thing with fighters protecting bombers. Barack Obama will eventually be gone. The persecutory Federal "barackrocy" is a long-term problem.

Posted by: T. at June 15, 2013 09:29 AM (UAD/m)

40 warrantless wiretapping, even.

Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at June 15, 2013 09:29 AM (U+vgB)

41 Should have spelled it as "barackcracy". Apologies.

Posted by: T. at June 15, 2013 09:30 AM (UAD/m)

42 That's normal now,

Posted by: Vic at June 15, 2013 01:28 PM (lZvxr)

The point was that he knew questions and still didn't find any answers. So he can't claim they were sprung on him. Like was said earlier, he's dissembling, but then, you knew that.

Posted by: KG at June 15, 2013 09:30 AM (IPz9m)

43 Obama got elected because of the unholy alliance between statists, the FSA, homosexuals, and abortion worshipers. There's no reaching anyone in that group.

Posted by: Lauren at June 15, 2013 09:31 AM (wsGWu)

44 That's normal now, Posted by: Vic at June 15, 2013 01:28 PM (lZvxr) I know...but that wasn't my point. He has no excuse for not knowing the answers to question he had a week in advance....on a very important issue.

Posted by: Tami[/i][/b][/u][/s] at June 15, 2013 09:31 AM (X6akg)

45 The point was that he knew questions and still didn't find any answers. So he can't claim they were sprung on him. Like was said earlier, he's dissembling, but then, you knew that.

Posted by: KG at June 15, 2013 01:30 PM (IPz9m)


Is there anyone in this administration that is NOT a liar?

Posted by: Vic at June 15, 2013 09:31 AM (lZvxr)

46 Is it wrong that I have pleasant feelings imagining Obama in a bunker ordering imaginary Acorn Divisions into battle against the Tea Party Freikorps  entering D.C.?

Posted by: Ook? at June 15, 2013 09:32 AM (OQpzc)

47 This must be the first time that Godwin's law was invoked before there was any comments.

Otherwise, excellent post.

Posted by: John P. Squibob at June 15, 2013 09:32 AM (kqqGm)

48

Is there anyone in this administration that is NOT a liar?

 

Short answer, no.

Posted by: Infidel at June 15, 2013 09:33 AM (gqEUi)

49 17  Considering the financial collapse of 2008, I'm not willing to give the private sector a pass anymore.  Although I understand that government probably had just as much to do with why corporations ran such slipshod organizations causing the taxpayer bailouts, I think the prisons are short more than a few politicians and CEO's .

Posted by: Cindy Munford at June 15, 2013 09:33 AM (6MiMG)

50 Maybe the RF. Redneck Freikorps.

Posted by: Ook? at June 15, 2013 09:33 AM (OQpzc)

51 Is there anyone in this administration that is NOT a liar? Is this a trick question?

Posted by: Harrison Bergeron at June 15, 2013 09:36 AM (JQuNB)

52

Obama is a de facto Dictator, who will never be held responsible for any high crimes or misdemeanors. Who will bring forth a case against him? Investigative reporters, ha, they got the message loud and clear. The Repugs, not a chance, see McCain and the other establishment tools. DOJ? A whistleblower? Interesting times, indeed.

Posted by: Randomized lurker at June 15, 2013 09:37 AM (AnfcZ)

53 This means the Executive IS NOT answering to the people anymore.

Let that set in for a moment.

Posted by: RiverC at June 15, 2013 09:37 AM (KTytI)

54 Tami

Yep he had the questions in advance

Posted by: phoenixgirl

Which makes us wonder why that wasn't a part of the questions the committee asked. If he received the questions and still claimed ignorance, it would be prime opportunity to declare him incompetent.

Serial pleas of ignorance should result in some action otherwise these hearing are a waste of everyone's time. And I'm beginning to suspect that's the case.

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at June 15, 2013 09:38 AM (H4Rpo)

55 I'm free as a bird 'n fresh as a daisy. Y'all got nothin' on me.

Posted by: Prez'nit Teflon at June 15, 2013 09:38 AM (uLzrM)

56 Considering the financial collapse of 2008, I'm not willing to give the private sector a pass anymore. Although I understand that government probably had just as much to do with why corporations ran such slipshod organizations causing the taxpayer bailouts, I think the prisons are short more than a few politicians and CEO's .
Posted by: Cindy Munford
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I am of the opinion that the the collapse was largely because  of regulation. Consider that, after the post-1929 regulations were put in place, things went along swimmingly..., until the CRA was put in place requiring  that bankers make risky loans. It is a longer story than that, but once the banks were compelled  to make loans that were unlikely to be repaid, the die was cast..

Posted by: Mike Hammer at June 15, 2013 09:40 AM (aDwsi)

57 What did Gaylord's administration say to Mubarak?  Methinks it applies here.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at June 15, 2013 09:40 AM (BPdDg)

58
This is what is meant by the liberal "hive-mind". If you understand liberal ideology, you understand what actions it implies. If you actually agree with liberal ideology, you take those actions. The law or ethics be damned.

I think the left has crossed the line from liberalism, to fascism.

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at June 15, 2013 09:41 AM (0IhFx)

59 Mike with the CRA it was a two stage disaster.  First it was implemented under Carter but never really went anywhere.  Then under Clinton tax laws were changed to encourage creative book-keeping and that administration threatened banks with penalties if they did not implement CRA.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at June 15, 2013 09:42 AM (BPdDg)

60 I've already decided on an architectural concept for my presidential library. A house of mirrored cards, filled with smoke. Heh.

Posted by: Prez'nit Teflon at June 15, 2013 09:42 AM (uLzrM)

61 I know...but that wasn't my point.


He has no excuse for not knowing the answers to question he had a week in advance....on a very important issue.

Posted by: Tami at June 15, 2013 01:31 PM (X6akg)

 

Claiming ignorance was probably better to him than the other options.  Lying that something was being done.  Or admitting the truth that he is being nothing more than a government sanctioned mob enforcer and not looking into the corruption of his boss.

Posted by: buzzion at June 15, 2013 09:42 AM (LI48c)

62 49 I'm not implying the private sector should get a pass, I'm implying that the government sector is held to an even lower standard.

The issue of criminal or civil charges in the financial collapse of 2008 is complicated. It's not a crime to be wrong about something like the continuance of a housing bubble or to lose money as a result of being wrong about something similar to that. I haven't seen a convincing case that anyone broke any laws in 2008. As someone who did not buy into the housing hype in the mid-2000s, I think the people, both in and out of government, who did were not thinking clearly, but I don't think they were breaking any laws. The shitty thing is that because those housing bubble losses have been at least partially "socialized", I'm paying for it anyway, as are others like me. So, even being prudent isn't always a defense against "the madness of crowds".

Posted by: Sudden Clarity Clarence at June 15, 2013 09:43 AM (jFA0K)

63 GovCo Posted by: Mike Hammer at June 15, 2013 01:21 PM (aDwsi) Clearly it's an LLC

Posted by: Burn the Witch at June 15, 2013 09:43 AM (84wuL)

64 Another comparison might be Al Capone. Maybe now there are documents tying him to, say, the St. Valentine's Day massacre, there wasn't at the time. Despite the fact that Obama has dedicated disciples, I think there was a huge amount of coordination. These people didn't visit the White House that often on a whim. They were coordinating. I am quite sure Obama has kept himself away from a paper trail, but there are trails going pretty high. Keep plugging away. Get more Lois Lerners out in the public consciousness. If there's one thing that obliterates the Left, it's piercing their sense of moral superiority.

Posted by: AmishDude at June 15, 2013 09:43 AM (xSegX)

65 Actually www.govco.com is taken.  Registered on April 15 2003 and expires on April 15, 2014.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at June 15, 2013 09:45 AM (BPdDg)

66 59 Mike with the CRA it was a two stage disaster. First it was implemented under Carter but never really went anywhere. Then under Clinton tax laws were changed to encourage creative book-keeping and that administration threatened banks with penalties if they did not implement CRA. Don't forget Obama's direct role in this. He was the lead attorney in a lawsuit targeted at Citicorp, I think (or was it Bank of America) over minority lending. Since banks were forced then to take on so many bad loans, it encouraged the overuse of mortgage-backed securities.

Posted by: AmishDude at June 15, 2013 09:46 AM (xSegX)

67 Very few people are aware of this, but there is no document -- not one -- linking Adolf Hitler to the Holocaust. I think the author technically incorrect. There is no document -- not one -- linking Adolf Hitler to The Final Solution. Not for lack of effort by historians, BTW. The Nazis had a big pow-wow called the Wansee Conference where the term Final Solution was used, but almost all records of the meeting were lost or destroyed. No matter, them smarty pants college professors somehow just know Hitler must have coined the term. I've read tons of stuff about the treatment of Jews by the Nazis, much of it highly academic. The more I read the more it became apparent that there was no one Final Solution but rather a bunch of ad-hoc solutions implemented to achieve a commonly held goal. Technicalities aside, however, the author of The American Thinker article is spot on in his analogy. In fact, scarily so. Virtually every department of our government is now complicit in helping Obama enact a "Final Solution" to "The Republican Question." We're all Thomas Becket now.

Posted by: Ed Anger at June 15, 2013 09:46 AM (tOkJB)

68 Maybe it would be an NLC GovCo, NLC Yeah, sounds accurate.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at June 15, 2013 09:46 AM (84wuL)

69 CRA was passed under Carter but it had no teeth,  When Clinton took office during the first two years when the commies had complete control they gave it teeth.


That is what caused the 2008 collapse. However now we have Obama crony corruption and as soon as they quit printing money we will have another collapse.

Posted by: Vic at June 15, 2013 09:47 AM (lZvxr)

70 Perhaps,  since directors are now figureheads,  as Rush said on Friday regarding the new appointment of a lawyer from the White House to Deputy CIA director,  they should call in those deputy directors in the FBI,  if for no other reason than that we could see who the hell they are.

Posted by: Miss Marple at June 15, 2013 09:49 AM (GoIUi)

71 Ed Anger, we both had similar things to say.  Look at post #29.

Its the leadership principle.  "The Fuhrer orders it!" 

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at June 15, 2013 09:49 AM (BPdDg)

72 What was a bit shocking for this old guy was the contempt these bureaucrats had for Congress. And how the congress guys are powerless to do a damn thing about it because they don't have the sack to defund anything.

Posted by: Ook? at June 15, 2013 09:49 AM (OQpzc)

73 56  I agree but like Mr. Mueller, ignorance of the situation now seems to be an acceptable answer for those who should have known better.  I have to admit to being a bit more prejudice towards those who took an oath to preserve and protect the Constitution rather than the bottom line.  And until they stop, not only getting away with it but prospering from it, we will continue to get more of the same until there is no way out.

Posted by: Cindy Munford at June 15, 2013 09:50 AM (6MiMG)

74 OT: The brits did some show where they attached cameras to 45 cats in one small town and then let them out at night to see what they were doing. I haven't watched it because I don't think anyone should watch that much video of cats licking their little assholes. Feel free to disagree...

Posted by: Waldo at June 15, 2013 09:52 AM (RZwdH)

75 Another reason why every official with a non-government email account should spend 5 years in prison.  The orders can be sent from these accounts and there would be no official copy anywhere unless the digital erks of the NSA can be convinced to divulge it.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at June 15, 2013 09:52 AM (BPdDg)

76 It is not Obama. Or Holder. Or the rat-faced Iranian u need to worry about. It's the 3 million Federal employees that control ur lives. Liberals all of them.

Posted by: Cicero Kid at June 15, 2013 09:53 AM (jz0+s)

77 62    If you owned a home and had a job, weren't you paying for it twice?  

Posted by: Cindy Munford at June 15, 2013 09:53 AM (6MiMG)

78 Is Obama contemplating mass murder? Probably not at this particular moment. He's probably golfing, in which case he is contemplating a foot wedge.

Posted by: somebody else, not me at June 15, 2013 09:55 AM (29vnO)

79 there would be no official copy anywhere unless the digital erks of the NSA can be convinced to divulge it.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at June 15, 2013 01:52 PM (BPdDg)

 

erks?

 

I thought they were boffins.

Posted by: Ook? at June 15, 2013 09:56 AM (OQpzc)

80 "
I think the left has crossed the line from liberalism, to fascism.

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at June 15, 2013 01:41 PM (0IhFx)"



Yeah, and the Left's useful idiots are so stupid that they think that unless they are being led by a former army corporal with a funny mustache, they can't be "fascists", not realizing that European fascism was only one form of fascism and no one should expect a subsequent form to emulate that form, especially since fascism of that sort was discredited by its military defeat.

Posted by: Sudden Clarity Clarence at June 15, 2013 09:56 AM (jFA0K)

81

The lack of paperwork   really doesn't mean much.

 

TFG speaks.

 

 His drones do his bidding.

 

That's not  verbal instructions, how, again? 

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at June 15, 2013 09:58 AM (0HooB)

82
Is there anyone in this administration that is NOT a liar?

Short answer, no.

Longer answer:  Fuck No.

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at June 15, 2013 09:59 AM (0IhFx)

83 You know,  Robert Mueller never struck me as clueless or uninformed the other times I saw him appear before Congress,  but that was over 5 years ago when Bush was still in office.  I wasn't sure he was still the Director,  or if he had been put in the  witness protection program.

So,  is he really clueless?  Is he sending a signal by pretending to be clueless?  Has he been cut out of the loop and is just a figurehead,  while underlings are actually running things?  Is his family being held hostage?

Go back and look at old tapes of Mueller.  For all we know that was an imposter.

This administration is making me crazy.  o-O

Posted by: Miss Marple at June 15, 2013 09:59 AM (GoIUi)

84 I would bet that this kind of institutionalized thuggery has been going on since way before January of 2009. You must remember that the federal bureaucracy in DC, and quite possible down to the state and local levels depending upon where one lives (to say nothing of the unions) is virtually all Democrat/Leftist. If they even suspect that your politics are not theirs, they will fuck you over 12 ways to Sunday. Guarantee it.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 15, 2013 10:01 AM (+98Gb)

85 I guess I should point out that Robert Mueller was appointed by George W. Bush, and was approved 98-0 by the Senate.

Posted by: rickl at June 15, 2013 10:02 AM (sdi6R)

86 the Left's useful idiots are so stupid that they think that unless they are being led by a former army corporal with a funny mustache, they can't be "fascists", It's a common mistake, Naziism really isn't proper fascism. Mussolini coined the term and it wasn't anti-Semitic in Italy until he allied with Hitler.

Posted by: AmishDude at June 15, 2013 10:02 AM (xSegX)

87 Ook?

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/erk

Try definition 2

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at June 15, 2013 10:02 AM (BPdDg)

88 He delivered a great big Fuck You to Congress. You can give me the questions in advance but I still don't have to give you the answers.

Posted by: SurferDoc at June 15, 2013 10:02 AM (F+av1)

89 77 During the housing bubble, I rented, based on the fact that costs per square foot were much lower for renting. Any money I saved by doing so, relative to buying, is now being recaptured by those who bought and lost in the form of subsidies from the government to keep them in their homes. Many homeowners argue that the subsidies aren't enough, of course, but for someone who isn't a homeowner, they are already too much.

I suppose just by having a job, I also am paying for the financial collapse, but since the alternative to having a job is worse, that's something I'm more willing to endure. You could say that renting is also worse than owning a home, but not in the same way that not having a job is worse than having a job. I thought I had "beat the system" by not getting caught up in the housing hype, but the system is getting its pound of flesh from me over the longer-term.

Posted by: Sudden Clarity Clarence at June 15, 2013 10:03 AM (jFA0K)

90 " I don't think anyone should watch that much video of cats licking their little assholes. " Speak for yourself.

Posted by: Barney Frank at June 15, 2013 10:04 AM (5QTeW)

91 Mike with the CRA it was a two stage disaster. First it was implemented under Carter but never really went anywhere. Then under Clinton tax laws were changed to encourage creative book-keeping and that administration threatened banks with penalties if they did not implement CRA.

Posted by: Anna Puma

More than just that, and the CRA was a minor element. Legislation in the 1970's allowed Fannie Mae to buy private mortgages. They and Freddie Mac started issuing MBSs in the 80's, the financial instrument at the heart of the credit debacle.

The CEO in the 90's, James A. Johnson lobbied Congress for greater independence that allowed them to get away with murder to the point of "creating a "partnership office" network to court the politically powerful with pork, giving high level employment to the well connected, giving out campaign contributions, creating a charity foundation, and threatening critics like FM Watch with retaliation."

Without the market created by FM/FM in MBS there would not have been massive mis-investment in the derivatives. FM/FM was *the* market. They had bought upwards of 50% of all mortgages in the US, chopped them up, and resold them to the banks. The banks knew of course they were implicitly backed by the Feds and that why the credit ratings agencies were happy to stamp AAA on them and collect their fees without the barest of due diligence.

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at June 15, 2013 10:04 AM (H4Rpo)

92 One of the things you have to keep in mind about CRA is the impact that it had on who rose to leadership in the banking industry. The government starting prohibiting banks from opening new branches or merging with other banks until full compliance with CRA was met. Now, one response would be to say screw that, we'll just stay the way we are. But that isn't how you get ahead in an industry in which a premium is placed on expansion and deals. So the people who rose to prominence in the industry were those who came to believe (or at least could fake believing) that loaning money to people who couldn't pay it back was a good thing. As Steve Sailer wrote (this might or might not be exact), the career of Angelo Mozila is inconceivable without CRA.

Posted by: somebody else, not me at June 15, 2013 10:05 AM (29vnO)

93 Posted by: Miss Marple at June 15, 2013 01:59 PM (GoIUi) I think he's cut out of the loop. He probably has underlings who don't keep him informed because they report directly to Holder.

Posted by: AmishDude at June 15, 2013 10:06 AM (xSegX)

94 My guess is that, if there is a paper trail, it leads to Valerie Jarrett. Bo is very likely a figurehead, if the 2012 U-man reports are to be believed (his political record of voting "Present!" and obvious teleprompter-dependency support this), and Axelturf, if he knows one thing, he knows to avoid paper ... But how necessary is a paper trail? All that's needed is to convince a jury ... let's see ... POTUS (the most powerful position on the planet today); made speech on this date; 'n' days later, actions by his subordinates carry out the ideas described in the speech ... circumstantial, but, from AH, there is precedent. I'm convinced.

Posted by: Arbalest at June 15, 2013 10:06 AM (FlRtG)

95 SCC, years ago, I got into an discussion/argument with some lib in an airport bar over the book I had with me.  "Liberal Fascism"  Stupid lib chick from Mexifornia.  So many stupid people, so little time.

Posted by: Infidel at June 15, 2013 10:07 AM (gqEUi)

96 The orders can be sent from these accounts and there would be no official copy anywhere unless the digital erks of the NSA can be convinced to divulge it. Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at June 15, 2013 01:52 PM (BPdDg) Second look at PRISM? /s

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at June 15, 2013 10:08 AM (GEICT)

97

As to the CRA, I'm at a loss to explain why some candidate, any candidate for high orifice hasn't  outlined the role of the gubmint in this disaster.

 

Direct   distortion  of the housing market is what got us to the housing crash,  from which we have yet to recover.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at June 15, 2013 10:08 AM (0HooB)

98 OT because this is the haven of morons, from the Times of India: "Islamic city council bans female flatulence in Indonesia Sayyid Yahia, mayor of the city, told media that a ban was needed, as F@rting does not go well with the Islamic values of modesty. "Muslim women are not allowed to F@rt with sound, it's against Islamic teachings," he said. Meanwhile, the Indonesian Feminists Association told local media they will attempt to block the smelly law as they deem it discriminatory. Talking to The Wadiyan, mayor Sayyid Yahia said the law aims to save people's morals and behaviors. "When you see woman F@rt loud, she appears like a man. But if she sit sideways and pass it quietly, she looks like a woman," Sayyid said. Although the proposed law does not ban "quiet F@rt," passing gas with sound is actually not uncommon in Southeast Asia, particularly for women consuming potatoes and peas. Obviously, women maintain that they feel healthier, F@rting loud. Fathima Khan, a medical doctor at the Al Banni Islamic Hospital in Aceh's capital is critical of the proposed law: "There is no need to question this practice, let alone regulate it, because people do it for their health and safety," she said. The mayor declined to give The Wadiyan details of what the punishment would be for violators. While another member at the City council, who wished not to be named, said if convicted by the sharia court, the offender could receive 20 lashes for small F@rts and up to 3 months prison time for larger ones. On another note, the local Islamic scholars were mostly divided over the law. Well-known Muslim activists like Bshar Abdulla voiced his objection, "How to pass gas is not regulated in Sharia. There is no mention of it in the Koran," he said on his Twitter account. However, "the Islamic tradition and the values of modesty does not support women F@rting loud," said Mehmood Hussain, a scholar and stenchy supporter of the law. Under the new regulation, the mayor says that only women in the public space are going to be monitored. "It will be the responsibility of the husband to make sure that his wife upholds Islamic values at home". He also argued that there is no scientific evidence supporting health benefits of passing gas, in Koran. The City council will be evaluating the regulation in a week, after which it could turn into a by-law."

Posted by: Quint&Jessel, Sea of Azof, Bly, UK at June 15, 2013 10:09 AM (7v5Ct)

99 Sarah Palin struck at the heart of all of this when she used the phrase "with a servant's heart" The people in power want to rule, not to serve. Our system must eventually fail and its replacement will fail because the selection bias in choosing public officeholders is directed at those who seek power to rule rather than to serve. Elections hurt as much as they help and can not guarantee our freedoms will last. We must introduce a new element, something like jury duty, something random and temporary, to stretch out the time where freedom is real.

Posted by: eman at June 15, 2013 10:09 AM (AO9UG)

100 89   I have a friend who is a broker and says the rental business is bottoming.  I don't believe you will ever have a better time than now to buy a house if you have some savings and a good credit rating.  But I did mean to indicate that if you owned a house pre-bubble you were paying twice because of taxes and the plummeting value of your existing home.

Posted by: Cindy Munford at June 15, 2013 10:10 AM (6MiMG)

101 I have a misguided friend who is very active in protests against frakking, and coal shipments, global warming and so on here in leftist Olympia WA.  He's not an anarchist, but he is involved with those who are, who use well-meaning people like him as cover for their violent protests. 

They have him convinced that government infiltrators are the ones that bring out the bats and bottles and start attacking police and breaking windows (as in the May Day riots in Seattle) in order to discredit their movement.  Now, that's snort-worthy, especially given that most government entities are sympathetic to the purported 'causes' these groups embrace -- but it makes me wonder if this paranoid attitude could be used to drive a wedge between groups that agitate for these causes, and the idea that an ever bigger more intrusive government is the solution for them.

Posted by: Starboardhelm at June 15, 2013 10:10 AM (hHgxI)

102
Yeah, and the Left's useful idiots are so stupid that they think that unless they are being led by a former army corporal with a funny mustache, they can't be "fascists"......


Even if Obama decked himself out in a garish military uniform, decorated with big shiny gold medals, and demanded the press address him as Colonel, the very many useful idiots that make up his ground troops would still not make the connection. Why? Because they agree with him....which explains why they are so willing to do his bidding without directly being told to do so. They're turning his flowery partisan rhetoric into ugly action.....all the while damning Sarah Palin, and the right, for using a rifle target pip on campaign ads, because they're convinced the brutish conservatives out there will do exactly what the left is doing now.

You can't reason with that level of stupidity.

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at June 15, 2013 10:12 AM (0IhFx)

103 Waldo, I saw that ( or something nearly identical) a while back. The coolest part was how these seemingly unknown to each other cats would often have nocturnal meet-ups, sort of sitting in a circle, shooting the shit. Totally freaked my niece out when I told her about the story. I made it as dramatic as possible, like a feline coven living all around us. I'm a mean uncle sometimes.

Posted by: lincolntf at June 15, 2013 10:12 AM (ZshNr)

104 Ferris Mueller's Day Off.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 15, 2013 10:13 AM (+98Gb)

105 We're on it.

Posted by: Top.Men at June 15, 2013 10:13 AM (uLzrM)

106 Pod people.  No more explanation necessary.

Posted by: Count de Monet at June 15, 2013 10:13 AM (7BV/9)

107 >>>I guess I should point out that Robert Mueller was appointed by George W. Bush, and was approved 98-0 by the Senate.<<<

Maybe you should also point out that he was reappointed by Barack Obama after serving his 10 year term.

Posted by: Fritz at June 15, 2013 10:14 AM (G9Mmf)

108 There is at least one document linking Hitler to the extermination of "undesirables" where he personally authorized Action T4.

Posted by: The Political Hat at June 15, 2013 10:15 AM (Vk2pI)

109
Ferris Mueller's Day Off.


Hahahahaha! Thread winner.

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at June 15, 2013 10:17 AM (0IhFx)

110

I suggested the other day that what we may be seeing here is that Mueller is NOT one of Obama's "top men."  I'm not letting Mueller off the hook by suggesting this, I'm merely pointing out that if Obama has a core group of advisors, Mueller isn't part of that core. 

 

So whatever policy dictates there are, regardless of whether they are written down or not, some people are in the loop and some are not. 

Posted by: BurtTC at June 15, 2013 10:17 AM (TOk1P)

111 Heh, JJ

Posted by: lincolntf at June 15, 2013 10:18 AM (ZshNr)

112 T4 - the elimination of mental defectives, Gypsies, and other undersirables.  Margaret Sanger uber alles!

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at June 15, 2013 10:18 AM (BPdDg)

113 I think everyone has forgotten the "other shoe" on the IRS scandal, that shows it was a Washington-propelled abuse of power.  All the prominent democrats were aware that if they didn't pay their taxes, there would not be a reckoning.

Posted by: artemis at June 15, 2013 10:19 AM (2XMD1)

114 112 T4 - the elimination of mental defectives, Gypsies, and other undersirables. Margaret Sanger uber alles! Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at June 15, 2013 02:18 PM (BPdDg) Boy, if there was ever a group of people that could give the Jews a run for most hated...

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at June 15, 2013 10:20 AM (GEICT)

115

We must introduce a new element, something like jury duty, something random and temporary, to stretch out the time where freedom is real.

 

I'm still endorsing my very own Political Draft.   Good folk are  out there,   we hear about them all the time. Just put them in office, after a camp that drills into them the Constitution and the concepts of liberty. Two  months should  do it.

 

Since we can no longer count on elections being fair or free, we need a new solution. It's a  variation on the  notion that we'd be better  governed by the first few hundred people in the phone book. We couldn't possibly be any worse off  than we   are today.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at June 15, 2013 10:20 AM (0HooB)

116

Ah! The Moron Horde bought a vowel.

 

Let's see if they can solve the rest of the puzzle.

Posted by: Warren Bonesteel at June 15, 2013 10:21 AM (klGLB)

117 :::: sniff :::: Geesh. Smells like Paultard in here.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at June 15, 2013 10:24 AM (rZkCM)

118 Hah. At the very end of my tenure at LGF, some scrunt called Ice weasel was using my use of the term Gypsy to describe actual Gypsies as proof of virulent racism and reason for a banning. She further claimed to live in Europe and never once seeing a Gypsy on the streets begging, hustling, performing. It was memorable because it was like a little taste of New Truth, the rewriting of the present, if you will.

Posted by: lincolntf at June 15, 2013 10:25 AM (ZshNr)

119 117 :::: sniff :::: Geesh. Smells like Paultard in here. Posted by: Sean Bannion at June 15, 2013 02:24 PM (rZkCM) Is it me or has the HQ smelled like the underside of a bridge for the last few days?

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at June 15, 2013 10:25 AM (GEICT)

120 Charles Manson never actually participated in those LA murders, but it's safe to say there isn't any rational person that doesn't think he orchestrated it all.  I plan to keep up my fervent hope that good is going to triumph over evil here and that, while impeachment is probably not going to happen, that Obama's thug actions, and the thug actions of his devotees in and out of the gov't are going to become ever more clear to people.  It's all I have at this point.

Posted by: Lady in Black at June 15, 2013 10:26 AM (ovWeo)

121 You knuckleheads- Obama won't get fingered cuz, of course, the monster genius behind this was Boooooosh.


http://tinyurl.com/nyzkxv3

Posted by: Beefy Meatball at June 15, 2013 10:26 AM (i7B17)

122 112 T4 - the elimination of mental defectives, Gypsies, and other undersirables. Margaret Sanger uber alles! Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at June 15, 2013 02:18 PM (BPdDg) "I'll take Kermit Gosnell in the sturmbanfuhrer uniform for $400, Alex..."

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 15, 2013 10:27 AM (+98Gb)

123 I like it Backwards Boy.

Posted by: lincolntf at June 15, 2013 10:27 AM (ZshNr)

124 Is it me or has the HQ smelled like the underside of a bridge for the last few days? It's not you. It's your cologne. I kid!!! I kid! I'm a kidder!!! Seriously, it's why I haven't been around much. I'm starting to see the wisdom of irongrampa taking a break.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at June 15, 2013 10:28 AM (rZkCM)

125 119 Is it me or has the HQ smelled like the underside of a bridge for the last few days? Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at June 15, 2013 02:25 PM (GEICT) Yes and yes.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 15, 2013 10:28 AM (+98Gb)

126 JJ much prefer  to take Doogie Houser as Oberststurmfuhrer $800, Alex.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at June 15, 2013 10:28 AM (BPdDg)

127 Seriously, it's why I haven't been around much. I'm starting to see the wisdom of irongrampa taking a break. Posted by: Sean Bannion at June 15, 2013 02:28 PM (rZkCM) Same here. Sad thing is, it's not even always "trolls".

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at June 15, 2013 10:28 AM (GEICT)

128 121 Posted by: Beefy Meatball at June 15, 2013 02:26 PM (i7B17) If there's any fingering to be done, Harry Reid'll do it.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 15, 2013 10:29 AM (+98Gb)

129 126 JJ much prefer to take Doogie Houser as Oberststurmfuhrer $800, Alex. Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at June 15, 2013 02:28 PM (BPdDg) Oy, did Neil Patrick Harris say something stupid?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 15, 2013 10:30 AM (+98Gb)

130 107 >>>I guess I should point out that Robert Mueller was appointed by George W. Bush, and was approved 98-0 by the Senate.<<< Maybe you should also point out that he was reappointed by Barack Obama after serving his 10 year term. Posted by: Fritz at June 15, 2013 02:14 PM (G9Mmf) Absolutely correct.

Posted by: rickl at June 15, 2013 10:30 AM (sdi6R)

131 If there's any fingering to be done, Harry Reid'll do it. Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 15, 2013 02:29 PM (+98Gb) And Boehner will cry about it.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at June 15, 2013 10:30 AM (GEICT)

132 Sad thing is, it's not even always "trolls". I know. If it keeps up this week I'm taking a break. I expect it from trolls. I don't expect to be trolled by my own team.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at June 15, 2013 10:30 AM (rZkCM)

133 Robert Mueller was channeling his inner Frank Pentangeli...

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 15, 2013 10:30 AM (+98Gb)

134
OT:

Iran has dumped Mock-Mood Armed-a-dinner-jacket. I'm gonna so miss typing that!  /sniff

His successor is being billed as a moderate, who wants to engage the West.....in dialogue....so, we'll see, I guess.

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at June 15, 2013 10:30 AM (0IhFx)

135 Wholeheartedly endorse the idea of a break. It does wonders. My friends and rels wanted to talk politics/news while I was on vacay, I basically told them all I wasn't interested. Glanced at the paper most days, but skipped all hard news.

Posted by: lincolntf at June 15, 2013 10:31 AM (ZshNr)

136

119 -

 

Do you guys keep a scorecard or something.  I can't always tell the players without a scorecard. 

 

My life would be simpler if I had some idea who I was supposed to dismiss out of hand before I go and read there comments.  But I tend to forget from one thread to the next. 

Posted by: BurtTC at June 15, 2013 10:31 AM (TOk1P)

137 134 OT: Iran has dumped Mock-Mood Armed-a-dinner-jacket. I'm gonna so miss typing that! /sniff His successor is being billed as a moderate, who wants to engage the West.....in dialogue....so, we'll see, I guess. Posted by: Sticky Wicket at June 15, 2013 02:30 PM (0IhFx) A moderate to them means, what, using a sharp knife instead of rusty hacksaws to behead Jooz and homos?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 15, 2013 10:32 AM (+98Gb)

138

136 -

 

Damn.  Typos out the yingyang.  Maybe I'm the Paultard.  Put a question mark after the first sentence, change "there" to "their" in the second to last. 

Posted by: BurtTC at June 15, 2013 10:33 AM (TOk1P)

139 >>>Is it me or has the HQ smelled like the underside of a bridge for the last few days?
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A man has to sleep somewhere. I'll straighten up and empty the ashtrays next week.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at June 15, 2013 10:33 AM (4Mv1T)

140 Among all my shotguns, rifles, plinkers, and pistols, I was missing a CQB piece. Remedied that lack this weekend. Picked up a 995TS in 9mm. Ugly as sin, built like a tank, reliable as a revolver, and very accurate.

Posted by: Trainer say Hi NSA at June 15, 2013 10:34 AM (fYg8j)

141 Do you guys keep a scorecard or something. I can't always tell the players without a scorecard. Actually....yes...I do.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at June 15, 2013 10:34 AM (rZkCM)

142 I expect it from trolls. I don't expect to be trolled by my own team. Posted by: Sean Bannion at June 15, 2013 02:30 PM (rZkCM) No shit.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at June 15, 2013 10:35 AM (GEICT)

143 I expect it from trolls. I don't expect to be trolled by my own team.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at June 15, 2013 02:30 PM (rZkCM)


And what's funny is that we here were called an echo chamber earlier this week.... right.

Posted by: KG at June 15, 2013 10:35 AM (IPz9m)

144 The Hitler analogy is spot on.  Actually, the way Hitler set his government up, he had numerous people and groups vying with each other to carry out (err, in some cases "execute") the project. 

Posted by: SFGoth at June 15, 2013 10:35 AM (Ws/3H)

145

Jugears McPhuckstick is punking us purposely. He's has been for a while, for the sole purpose of energizing those susceptible to that sort of thing. Enter Paulbots and the Alex Jones crowd to do his bidding- acting like fools and making all dissent look kooky.

Posted by: Beefy Meatball at June 15, 2013 10:36 AM (i7B17)

146 As a former government employee I can assure you that politically correct thugs are drawn to government work. Their enthusiasm to use the power in their hands is remarkable to behold.

Posted by: dodging bullets in Chicago at June 15, 2013 10:37 AM (bkcnJ)

147 Enter Paulbots and the Alex Jones crowd to do his bidding- acting like fools and making all dissent look kooky. Being a Paulbot or an Alex Jones fanboi is prima facie proof of a sub-95 IQ.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at June 15, 2013 10:37 AM (rZkCM)

148 JJ Sefton, I am referring to how he was costumed in the first Starship Troopers movie.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at June 15, 2013 10:38 AM (BPdDg)

149

Well, if recent days have proven anything around here, there's no such thing as a  solid bloc of  opinion  for us, which is refreshing in a way. Spirited debate  is what we do best here, IMO.

 

Oops, wreck on the first lap  of the Nationwide race. And Lefty tees off at 2:40. Good sports day.  And a happy Father's  Day to all tomorrow. I'm outta here...

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at June 15, 2013 10:38 AM (0HooB)

150 So, if Obama goes full Hitler, do we call him Odolph?

Posted by: Ook? at June 15, 2013 10:39 AM (OQpzc)

151 Their enthusiasm to use the power in their hands is remarkable to behold. Yes, but please leave room for those in government who know who their actual employer is.

Posted by: Sean Bannion, Federal Government Saboteur at June 15, 2013 10:39 AM (rZkCM)

152
A moderate to them means, what, using a sharp knife instead of rusty hacksaws to behead Jooz and homos?

It means giving the jooz and homos only one hundred sixty lashes before sewing them up in a burlap sack, tossing them off a cliff, then hanging them before stoning what's left.



Posted by: Sticky Wicket at June 15, 2013 10:39 AM (0IhFx)

153 SFGoth when you have competing bureaucracies you make it more difficult for any one bureaucracy from unseating the dictator.  Just ask the SA after the SS got through with them.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at June 15, 2013 10:40 AM (BPdDg)

154

141 -

 

I guess I'm not here often enough then.  I tend to just jump in without regard to who is saying what, except for a few choice individuals. 

 

For all I know though, I may have said something to piss you off last week.  Or yesterday.  I generally don't keep track. 

Posted by: BurtTC at June 15, 2013 10:41 AM (TOk1P)

155 Ook?  THAT was funny. Thanks.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at June 15, 2013 10:42 AM (4Mv1T)

156
My life would be simpler if I had some idea who I was supposed to dismiss out of hand before I go and read there comments.

Same here.....as long as it's not me.

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at June 15, 2013 10:42 AM (0IhFx)

157
So, if Obama goes full Hitler, do we call him Odolph?

I'm stealing that.

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at June 15, 2013 10:43 AM (0IhFx)

158 This is bogus. It seems very clear that Hitler gave clear orders- VERBALLY. There's clear evidence of that from Himmler's 1943 Posen speech to the SS:
I want to mention another very difficult matter here before you in all frankness. Among ourselves, it ought to be spoken of quite openly for once; yet we shall never speak of it in public. Just as little as we hesitated to do our duty as ordered on 30 June 1934, and place comrades who had failed against the wall and shoot them, just as little did we ever speak of it, and we shall never speak of it. It was a matter of course, of tact, for us, thank God, never to speak of it, never to talk of it. It made everybody shudder; yet everyone was clear in his mind that he would do it again if ordered to do so, and if it was necessary. I am thinking now of the evacuation of the Jews, the extirpation of the Jewish people.
How else could the transport of Jews be given universal consideration for Germany's finite transportation resources across various jurisdictions? Look at what Hitler did to the independent effort to build a jet fighter. The continental effort to give priority to the Holocaust proves it was a standing order. How could Democrats be so very sure Obama would not score obvious political points as a tough sheriff by throwing them under the bus? The fact that nothing is being done to punish these people for unpopular acts is strong evidence they were ordered to do it, and can't be persecuted without endangering their boss. The fact that we don't yet have a John Dean isn't evidence there was no smoking gun.

Posted by: Chris Balsz at June 15, 2013 10:44 AM (h68p/)

159 >>>My life would be simpler if I had some idea who I was supposed to
dismiss out of hand before I go and read there comments.

Same here.....as long as it's not me.

I've figured out who is at the very bottom of the food chain, if their posts don't get disappeared, but the rest can be a little murky.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at June 15, 2013 10:44 AM (4Mv1T)

160 Well it could be worse, Gaylord Focker could go full Yoko Ono.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at June 15, 2013 10:45 AM (BPdDg)

161

159 -

 

Plus, as everyone should know by now, the nature of online communication is different from what it is in real life.  In meat space, I'm a sweetheart.  Everybody loves me.  But here?  Sometimes I don't mind saying stuff I know is going to get a rise out of some people. 

 

Maybe that's not nice, and I shouldn't, but I figured the unspoken agreement was that we let our hair down a bit here, and if toes get stepped on, then they get stepped on.  Metaphorically, of course, so I don't see much purpose to showing up the next day acting like my feet  still hurt. 

Posted by: BurtTC at June 15, 2013 10:48 AM (TOk1P)

162 Well it could be worse, Gaylord Focker could go full Yoko Ono. Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at June 15, 2013 02:45 PM (BPdDg) Without his teleprompter nearby and ready he gets pretty close to that.

Posted by: eman at June 15, 2013 10:49 AM (AO9UG)

163 I don't want TFG impeached either, I want his ideology destroyed. It hasn't worked for 100 years, so it will fail here also.

IMO the reason he increased the budgets of all the fed departments anywhere from 25% to 50%. He was "packing the court" by hiring all the lefty zealots he could, and now they are permanent. Do you honestly think a GOP president will reduce their budgets and lay people off?  That's why the EPA and FDA are in a frenzy banning one thing after the other: because they can. It's their mission.

FDR talked about packing the Supreme Court. TFG was more sly and much more successful.

The long march through the institutions is over. He won.

*shudder*

Posted by: PJ at June 15, 2013 10:52 AM (ZWaLo)

164 So, if Obama goes full Hitler, do we call him Odolph?

Posted by: Ook? at June 15, 2013 02:39 PM (OQpzc)

 

 

------------------------------------------------

 

 

Odolph Ho'bama.  I like it.  Thanks.  I'm using it.

Posted by: Soona at June 15, 2013 10:53 AM (kd9WQ)

165 Maybe that's not nice, and I shouldn't, but I figured the unspoken agreement was that we let our hair down a bit here, and if toes get stepped on, then they get stepped on. That's true. And that's fine as far as it goes. But it's really gone too far around here lately, and it's old. Irongrampa is a mensch. When you drive him away (the "royal" you there, not you personally) then something should set off an alarm bell. So far, there's no indication of that occurring in th "Q" People need to remember one eternal truism.... Things are never as good as they seem - or as bad as they seem.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at June 15, 2013 10:54 AM (rZkCM)

166 So. Anybody going to the range to blast shit for Father's day?

I usually only go when I have an express purpose, otherwise I don't like to blast away precious little boolets without a good reason.

Been trying to find some "economical" optics for a 10/22 I just acquired. And only 'cause I can't see through the iron sights worth a flip.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at June 15, 2013 10:54 AM (4Mv1T)

167 Yes Hitler ordered the Joos and others murdered. He just didn't go into the specifics and allowed his henchman to work out the details. I believe Himmler, Heydrich, and Goering are the ones who met with him and discussed the progress of the final solution. There is some notation in one of Himmler's datebooks that references meeting with Hitler and discussing the final solution or some other euphemism they were using at the time for genocide. They were all aware that they were committing a crime and tried to shield old Adolph from culpability.

Posted by: Waldo at June 15, 2013 10:57 AM (RZwdH)

168 That's true. And that's fine as far as it goes. But it's really gone too far around here lately, and it's old. Irongrampa is a mensch. When you drive him away (the "royal" you there, not you personally) then something should set off an alarm bell. So far, there's no indication of that occurring in th "Q" People need to remember one eternal truism.... Things are never as good as they seem - or as bad as they seem. Posted by: Sean Bannion at June 15, 2013 02:54 PM (rZkCM) Wait...what/when/who drove irongrampa away?!

Posted by: Tami[/i][/b][/u][/s] at June 15, 2013 10:58 AM (X6akg)

169 IG doesn't say a whole lot, but what he does say is always appreciated, from my perspective.

He's definitely not a quitter, but he had enough here for awhile.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at June 15, 2013 10:58 AM (4Mv1T)

170 You can't destroy obama's legacy. The progs control the media and the schools. Hell, 50+ years and we are still being told the Kennedy's were such good boys.

Posted by: Waldo at June 15, 2013 10:59 AM (RZwdH)

171 IMO the reason he increased the budgets of all the fed departments anywhere from 25% to 50%. He was "packing the court" by hiring all the lefty zealots he could, and now they are permanent. Do you honestly think a GOP president will reduce their budgets and lay people off? That's why the EPA and FDA are in a frenzy banning one thing after the other: because they can. It's their mission.

FDR talked about packing the Supreme Court. TFG was more sly and much more successful.

The long march through the institutions is over. He won.

*shudder*

Posted by: PJ at June 15, 2013 02:52 PM (ZWaLo)

 

 

---------------------------------------------

 

 

Not so fast.  All  a conservative president has to do is get a law passed making government unions illegal.  Reagan should have done it when he fired the air traffic controllers.

 

It would get rid of much of the leftist riffraff we see in DC right now.  Or perhaps just an old-fashioned purge by getting rid of, paring down and consolidating beaurocracies.

Posted by: Soona at June 15, 2013 10:59 AM (kd9WQ)

172 Glenn Beck is planning to reveal something that will bring down both the Republicans and Democrats..........in 24 to 36 hours.  He announced that on Wednesday.

On Thursday, Glenn Beck announced he would reveal something that will bring down both the Republicans and Democrats..........in 24 to 36 hours.

On Friday, Glenn Beck announced he would reveal something that will bring down both the Republicans and Democrats..........in 24 to 36 hours.

On Saturday..............oh fuck it.  Has anyone ever noticed how Beck always comes up with these kind of cliffhanger proclamations at about the same time he launches a new book?  Does the guy never stop selling something?

Posted by: Not an Artist at June 15, 2013 11:01 AM (uRumV)

173 I just picked up a Keurig coffee maker at a yard sale ($15) and it works, so I'm doing the descaling thing. I remember there was a discussion about them back a ways, but can't remember anything else that was recommended. Help? Oh, and I've ordered Eko-brew cups and an assortment of flavors that should come in late next week.

Posted by: Empire1 at June 15, 2013 11:01 AM (WNn0B)

174 How else could the transport of Jews be given universal consideration for Germany's finite transportation resources across various jurisdictions? *** Right. After the fall of Stalingrad, the entire southern front was in deep doo doo (to use the technical term) and Von Manstein wanted to use the trains for military purposes rather than to transport Jews. But killing the Jews was more important than winning the war even in this time of crisis. It is impossible to believe that micromanager Hitler didn't know why the Wehrmacht was being deprived of supplies.

Posted by: WalrusRex at June 15, 2013 11:01 AM (VlXYw)

175 Speaking of:

Fannie Mae has fired the executive who headed its Irvine office amid a federal investigation into alleged kickbacks from real estate brokers.

One former employee of the home-finance giant has been indicted on charges of soliciting illegal payments from a broker, and another former worker has alleged that such conduct was common at the office. Federal investigators are trying to determine whether the alleged corruption extended to other employees, according to two people with knowledge of the probe.

Other employees? Nay, nay, I say! It cannot be under the leadership of our glorious President Bystander!

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at June 15, 2013 11:01 AM (H4Rpo)

176 Looks like we're going full bore Banana Republic. http://www.forbes.com/sites/merrillmatthews/2013/06/13/is-there-another-elected-obama-in-our-future/

Posted by: Somewhat Sorry To Offend You at June 15, 2013 11:02 AM (ZR4Xh)

177

Been trying to find some "economical" optics for a 10/22 I just acquired. And only 'cause I can't see through the iron sights worth a flip.

I've always liked 4X scopes for .22's. Wide field of vision, a clear picture of your target, and they work quite well with the distances you'll be shooting. Also, I'm jealous...I so want a 10/22!

I bought an 80 percent 10/22 blank a while ago, but I don't have access right now to the hardware required to finish it up, and build my own rifle. So it sits, gathering dust...sigh.

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at June 15, 2013 11:02 AM (0IhFx)

178

165 -

 

I've been coming here for over 9 years, and the one constant seems to be that people come and go.  There are times when I've been more active, and times when I've been less. 

 

I don't think people only get fed up because things are bad, sometimes they just decide it's time for them to move elsewhere. 

 

Honestly, I'm not sure what you guys are seeing that is bothering you.  I would suggest maybe  your changing viewpoint has something to do with it though, and only you would know how much or how little that might be the case.

 

On a personal note though, I just want to say I do respect the commenters here, and if (or when?)  I  ever  cross the  line, feel free to call me on it. 

Posted by: BurtTC at June 15, 2013 11:03 AM (TOk1P)

179 On Thursday, Glenn Beck announced he would reveal something that will bring down both the Republicans and Democrats..........in 24 to 36 hours. *** Finally the Furries will be in control.

Posted by: WalrusRex at June 15, 2013 11:03 AM (VlXYw)

180 Furies or Erinyes?

Furries are fans of funny animals who dress up as a funny animal.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at June 15, 2013 11:05 AM (BPdDg)

181

172 -

 

As long as people keep buying, I'm not sure why he would. 

Posted by: BurtTC at June 15, 2013 11:06 AM (TOk1P)

182 This place is a hive of scum and villainy, and there's nothing wrong with that. The world needs hives.

Posted by: lincolntf at June 15, 2013 11:06 AM (ZshNr)

183 Glenn Beck is always promising some major revelation.  He never delivers.

Posted by: Vic at June 15, 2013 11:06 AM (lZvxr)

184 On Saturday..............oh fuck it. Has anyone ever noticed how Beck always comes up with these kind of cliffhanger proclamations at about the same time he launches a new book? Does the guy never stop selling something?

Posted by: Not an Artist at June 15, 2013 03:01 PM (uRumV)

 

 

----------------------------------------------

 

 

Don't knock Beck.  He  told us what was coming down the pike 4-5 years ago.  He's been spot on so far.  He also said that this  revelation that he's talking about is going to be done by the whistleblower  after certain conditions are met.   It's obvious these conditions haven't been met yet.

 

Beck can be unbearably weepy and maudlin sometimes to the point I can't listen to him, but he thoroughly researches his info.  Don't underestimate him.

Posted by: Soona at June 15, 2013 11:07 AM (kd9WQ)

185 Right. After the fall of Stalingrad, the entire southern front was in deep doo doo (to use the technical term) and Von Manstein wanted to use the trains for military purposes rather than to transport Jews. But killing the Jews was more important than winning the war even in this time of crisis. It is impossible to believe that micromanager Hitler didn't know why the Wehrmacht was being deprived of supplies. Posted by: WalrusRex at June 15, 2013 03:01 PM (VlXYw) I asked some people about this when I was visiting Birkenau many years ago. There answer was that to almost the very end, they thought they could win the war. You have to admit that they did do a good job of covering their tracks. Too many murderers escaped justice. I believe 7k people worked at Birkenau/Auschwitz. 5k survived the war. But less than a thousand were brought to justice and most of them got a slap on the hand.

Posted by: Waldo at June 15, 2013 11:07 AM (RZwdH)

186 just picked up a Keurig coffee maker at a yard sale ($15) and it works, so I'm doing the descaling thing. I remember there was a discussion about them back a ways, but can't remember anything else that was recommended. Help? Dezcal is what you want. Try looking on Amazon. But a lot of the mail order coffee geek places have it.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at June 15, 2013 11:07 AM (rZkCM)

187 On a personal note though, I just want to say I do respect the commenters here, and if (or when?) I ever cross the line, feel free to call me on it. Posted by: BurtTC at June 15, 2013 03:03 PM (TOk1P) who left mad? Did I miss something?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 15, 2013 11:07 AM (jE38p)

188 Furries are fans of funny animals who dress up as a funny animal. And then have sex while dressed in their funny animal suits. Don't forget about the sex. cuz otherwise adults dressing up as animals without having sex...would be...weird.... ....yeah.

Posted by: Somewhat Sorry To Offend You at June 15, 2013 11:08 AM (ZR4Xh)

189 188 Furries are fans of funny animals who dress up as a funny animal. And then have sex while dressed in their funny animal suits. Don't forget about the sex. cuz otherwise adults dressing up as animals without having sex...would be...weird.... ....yeah. Posted by: Somewhat Sorry To Offend You at June 15, 2013 03:08 PM (ZR4Xh) Whatever you do don't laugh and make fun of them. Otherwise, they get mad...

Posted by: Waldo at June 15, 2013 11:10 AM (RZwdH)

190

"No need for anyone to tell them what to do. They know what pleases Obama, and they will use the means at their disposal to carry out his wishes, to wit: to suppress and neutralize his enemies."

 

Close, but not quite.  It should end "...to suppress and neutralize their enemies."

 

Lerner and others are of the same mindset, not a supporting mindset.  They are willing commanders and lieutenants, not even foot soldiers.  When an accounting is held (and either we hold them accountable, or they will go on holding us accountable), they must not be let off the hook by "following orders."  These people are hunting conservative liberty no less than JEF, ValJar Binks, or Eric the Red.

Posted by: Advo at June 15, 2013 11:10 AM (RUdc8)

191 You have to admit that they did do a good job of covering their tracks. Too many murderers escaped justice. I believe 7k people worked at Birkenau/Auschwitz. 5k survived the war. But less than a thousand were brought to justice and most of them got a slap on the hand. Posted by: Waldo at June 15, 2013 03:07 PM (RZwdH) They really did not cover their tracks so well. The Allies knew during the War what was going on but for "Political and War necessity" reasons it was kept mostly under hat. After the War, the Communist threat took precedent. But people knew, people choose not to act and look the other way. And Jews, who should have been the most "interested" had bigger fish to fry in the establishment of the State of Israel.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 15, 2013 11:10 AM (jE38p)

192 "It's a common mistake, Naziism really isn't proper fascism. Mussolini coined the term and it wasn't anti-Semitic in Italy until he allied with Hitler.

Posted by: AmishDude at June 15, 2013 02:02 PM (xSegX)"


I tend to align with Nolte's definition from "Three Faces of Fascism", where the similarities outweigh the differences, but point taken.

Posted by: Sudden Clarity Clarence at June 15, 2013 11:10 AM (jFA0K)

193 A Road Warrior laserdisc I ordered off Ebay arrived today. Time to start learning our future.

Posted by: zsasz at June 15, 2013 11:10 AM (MMC8r)

194 @177 10/22 optics. I was trying find a 2x sg scope. Long eye relief, wide field of view. Everything I find seems to be variable.  I have a Gander Mtn close by, and a Mart of Walls, which has very little in the way of gun gear in this metrosexual little  burg.

I don't have the rifle really "purposed" yet. I just know I can't see through the irons.


Posted by: Tobacco Road at June 15, 2013 11:10 AM (4Mv1T)

195 Yeah, soona, a GOP prez could disband the PEUs but would he? I look at the level of their intestinal fortitude these days and suggest NO.

Posted by: PJ at June 15, 2013 11:10 AM (ZWaLo)

196 Thanks, Sean -- note made!

Posted by: Empire1 at June 15, 2013 11:11 AM (WNn0B)

197 My life would be simpler if I had some idea who I was supposed to dismiss out of hand before I go and read there comments. *** Leave my mother-in-law out of this!

Posted by: WalrusRex at June 15, 2013 11:11 AM (VlXYw)

198 On Josef Mengele's first lurch towards South America, he holed up in the basement of a barracks at Strassburg Kaserne, in the building I lived in for a couple years. I haven't looked for an online version of the coverage that I read ( a few magazine articles framed and hung in the dining hall) way back then, but I'm sure it exists. So we were literally sleeping under the same roof as Josef Mengele, drinking beers and listening to freaking Pearl Jam. Weird.

Posted by: lincolntf at June 15, 2013 11:12 AM (ZshNr)

199 On a personal note though, I just want to say I do respect the commenters here, and if (or when?) I ever cross the line, feel free to call me on it. Your good, Burt. The only time I ever gloss over your stuff is on the headline thread in the morning. The rest of the time I read everything you write. And....it's not you so much as the topic, and the topic is Malor. Stipulated, 8 times out of 10 he's a RINO. Got it. Don't care anymore. I'm just generally tired of the Gabe bashing from everyone.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at June 15, 2013 11:12 AM (rZkCM)

200 181
172 -

As long as people keep buying, I'm not sure why he would.

Posted by: BurtTC at June 15, 2013 03:06 PM (TOk1P)


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Obviously.  


Back in the 80's and 90's I spent about 15 years in the broadcast radio business.  The mantra then, and I'm sure still is - "never stop selling".  The theory was that as long as you are on the air, "be selling something".  Beck takes that mantra to a whole new level.

Posted by: Not an Artist at June 15, 2013 11:12 AM (uRumV)

201 Furries are fans of funny animals who dress up as a funny animal. And then have sex while dressed in their funny animal suits. Don't forget about the sex. cuz otherwise adults dressing up as animals without having sex...would be...weird.... ....yeah. Posted by: Somewhat Sorry To Offend You at June 15, 2013 03:08 PM (ZR4Xh) Whatever you do don't laugh and make fun of them. Otherwise, they get mad... Posted by: Waldo at June 15, 2013 03:10 PM (RZwdH) Yiff in Hell, Furf*gs!

Posted by: Fursecution Now! at June 15, 2013 11:13 AM (Vk2pI)

202

193 -

 

What's a laserdisc, grampa? 

Posted by: BurtTC at June 15, 2013 11:13 AM (TOk1P)

203
Whatever you do don't laugh and make fun of them. Otherwise, they get mad...

And nobody wants some overweight and middle aged guy in his custom made fox suit 'spraying' all over their front deck.

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at June 15, 2013 11:14 AM (0IhFx)

204 193 - What's a laserdisc, grampa? Posted by: BurtTC at June 15, 2013 03:13 PM (TOk1P) Something from 1992.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at June 15, 2013 11:14 AM (GEICT)

205 Sean?

Posted by: Tami[/i][/b][/u][/s] at June 15, 2013 11:15 AM (X6akg)

206 And nobody wants some overweight and middle aged guy in his custom made fox suit 'spraying' all over their front deck. You owe me a Corona. I laughed so hard I thought I was going to snort the lime all the way into my lungs.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at June 15, 2013 11:15 AM (rZkCM)

207 Weeeeeee~!

a chilling report from U.S. law enforcement reveals an alleged Mexican cartel member claims he killed 30 individuals on U.S. soil.

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at June 15, 2013 11:16 AM (H4Rpo)

208 Whatever you do don't laugh and make fun of them. Otherwise, they get mad... Posted by: Waldo at June 15, 2013 03:10 PM (RZwdH) I'm not quite sure if i would find it hilarious or frightening to be cussed out by a giant cartoon squirrel with an enormous boner. Panel?

Posted by: Somewhat Sorry To Offend You at June 15, 2013 11:16 AM (ZR4Xh)

209 What's a laserdisc, grampa? Lawn.

Posted by: zsasz at June 15, 2013 11:17 AM (MMC8r)

210 Sean? Sorry, hon. Irongrampa is taking a break. He's tired of the constant Chicken Little routine around here. It's not one person, it's just the general "feel" of the place lately.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at June 15, 2013 11:17 AM (rZkCM)

211 And nobody wants some overweight and middle aged guy in his custom made fox suit 'spraying' all over their front deck. Posted by: Sticky Wicket at June 15, 2013 03:14 PM (0IhFx) Lmao. There was an image I didn't need.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at June 15, 2013 11:18 AM (GEICT)

212 Irongrampa is taking a break. He's tired of the constant Chicken Little routine around here. It's not one person, it's just the general "feel" of the place lately. Posted by: Sean Bannion at June 15, 2013 03:17 PM (rZkCM) Ah, ok. I hope he comes back....he's good people.

Posted by: Tami[/i][/b][/u][/s] at June 15, 2013 11:18 AM (X6akg)

213 I'm not quite sure if i would find it hilarious or frightening to be cussed out by a giant cartoon squirrel with an enormous boner. osted by: Somewhat Sorry To Offend You at June 15, 2013 03:16 PM (ZR4Xh) For the average moron, I'd go with "flattered".

Posted by: krakatoa at June 15, 2013 11:18 AM (eCtnP)

214 He's tired of the constant Chicken Little routine around here. It's not one person, it's just the general "feel" of the place lately. Posted by: Sean Bannion at June 15, 2013 03:17 PM (rZkCM) The sky is always falling. Ya just got to get used to it and bugger on.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 15, 2013 11:18 AM (jE38p)

215 For the average moron, I'd go with "flattered". NTTAWWT

Posted by: Sean Bannion at June 15, 2013 11:19 AM (rZkCM)

216 The Gabe bashing does get old after a while.  And 90% of it is over shit that Gabe has not said or done.


My feeling is that I you don't like Gabe then stay away from his thread.

Posted by: Vic at June 15, 2013 11:19 AM (lZvxr)

217 Obama's a patsy...if you want to cut the head off of the spawn of Satan, you gotta destroy Valerie "Va-jay-jay" Jarrett. If she's gone, Obumbles would dissolve into a puddle of pure incompetence. Just look at what happens to him when the TOTUS takes a dump.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at June 15, 2013 11:19 AM (qpah5)

218  On Josef Mengele's first lurch towards South America, he holed up in the basement of a barracks at Strassburg Kaserne, in the building I lived in for a couple years. I haven't looked for an online version of the coverage that I read ( a few magazine articles framed and hung in the dining hall) way back then, but I'm sure it exists. So we were literally sleeping under the same roof as Josef Mengele, drinking beers and listening to freaking Pearl Jam. Weird.

Posted by: lincolntf at June 15, 2013 03:12 PM (ZshNr)

 

 

-------------------------------------------------

 

 

I lived in a kaserne that all of the henchman of the  third reich visited at one time or another.  There were pics in the commanders office showing it. 

 

Any WWII buffs that want to see history come alive before their eyes need to visit Germany.   I also had a chance to talk to numerous ex-wehrmacht and SS soldiers and got their impression of the war.  One thing that they all agreed on, strangely enough.  They said we won the war fair and square.

Posted by: Soona at June 15, 2013 11:20 AM (kd9WQ)

219 I wrote a book called "The City of God" a very long time ago. Perhaps it contains some timely wisdom.

Posted by: Augustine at June 15, 2013 11:21 AM (rcTHI)

220 No Democrat will be fired.  No Democrat will go to jail.  No Democrat will suffer even slightly, except perhaps to pretend that they're uncomfortable during Congressional testimony.  That will only be an act, however.

No member of the Media will ever call any Democrat to account.

We're all doomed and the country is dead.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at June 15, 2013 11:22 AM (xjpRj)

221 I'm just generally tired of the Gabe bashing from everyone.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at June 15, 2013 03:12 PM (rZkCM)

Some of it is the poorly disguised, "Ooh, he's a fag, so I can make fun of that while pretending to criticize his politics."

But some is valid, none more so than the heaping-on that occurred when he came out in favor of the amnesty bill.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 15, 2013 11:22 AM (WW8xK)

222 Agree 100% Soona. I had a few chats with old-timers in the early Nineties, they were great conversations.

Posted by: lincolntf at June 15, 2013 11:22 AM (ZshNr)

223 216 The Gabe bashing does get old after a while. And 90% of it is over shit that Gabe has not said or done. My feeling is that I you don't like Gabe then stay away from his thread. Posted by: Vic at June 15, 2013 03:19 PM (lZvxr) And I'll bet you not one of the people bashing him has ever once talked to him about anything other than shit around here. He's good people. I don't need to agree with his politics to know that.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at June 15, 2013 11:22 AM (GEICT)

224 have we talked about this already?

http://www.examiner.com/article/
exclusive-obama-snoops- allegedly-infiltrate-christian-churches

http://www.examiner.com/article/
obama-snoops-part-2- infiltrate-target-harass-churches

Posted by: mallfly at June 15, 2013 11:22 AM (bJm7W)

225 One thing that they all agreed on, strangely enough. They said we won the war fair and square. Posted by: Soona at June 15, 2013 03:20 PM (kd9WQ) That was big of them. I think we did also. And if the politicians would get out of the way, we could "win" this one also.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 15, 2013 11:22 AM (jE38p)

226 My feeling is that I you don't like Gabe then stay away from his thread. ^^^^That And Vic? As cranky as I get with you on selected topics, I appreciate everything you do around here...as well as about 90% of your opinions. It just ain't morning for me without coffee and Vic's links.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at June 15, 2013 11:23 AM (rZkCM)

227 Irongrampa is taking a break. He's tired of the constant Chicken Little routine around here. It's not one person, it's just the general "feel" of the place lately. Posted by: Sean Bannion at June 15, 2013 03:17 PM (rZkCM) I saw that message. I thought his need to get away had more to do with the downer prospects we see for the future of the country. It was bumming him out and he just wanted to get away from it for awhile. Well, it's bumming me out, but not because it's being discussed here, it's bumming me out because it's happening all around us. Like I've said, whenever you see an area getting choked with weeds and brush, you can pretty safely guess at some point it's going to catch on fire. Well, the social makeup of the nation has lately been choked up with weeds and brush, and it feels like some sort of fire is going to come along and sweep the landscape clean. Fine, if you are a bystander, not so much if you are somewhere in the landscape.

Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at June 15, 2013 11:23 AM (bb5+k)

228 They said we won the war fair and square.

Posted by: Soona at June 15, 2013 03:20 PM (kd9WQ)

Oh, how decent of them.

Could we have won more quickly if we cheated?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 15, 2013 11:24 AM (WW8xK)

229

>>Something from 1992.

 

More like 87...I sold those in the Record/CD Shop I worked in through HS.

Posted by: garrett at June 15, 2013 11:24 AM (8JlwA)

230 The sky is always falling. Ya just got to get used to it and bugger on. Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 15, 2013 03:18 PM (jE38p) You've got to deal with it, that's for sure.

Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at June 15, 2013 11:24 AM (bb5+k)

231 "I saw that message. I thought his need to get away had more to do with the downer prospects we see for the future of the country. "

That's exactly what it was about. If he wants to bury his head in the sand, that's his problem.

Posted by: lowandslow at June 15, 2013 11:25 AM (Fz2C7)

232 Any WWII buffs that want to see history come alive before their eyes need to visit Germany. I also had a chance to talk to numerous ex-wehrmacht and SS soldiers and got their impression of the war. One thing that they all agreed on, strangely enough. They said we won the war fair and square. I have been told that when the Americans were starting to get mass surrenders from Germans in the closing days of the war, the Germans honestly thought that the US and what was left of the German army were going to team-up against the Sovs. Probably would have saved a lot of trouble in the proceeding years, too.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at June 15, 2013 11:25 AM (qpah5)

233 >>>>Have we talked about this already?

http://www.examiner.com/article/
exclusive-obama-snoops- allegedly-infiltrate-christian-churches

http://www.examiner.com/article/
obama-snoops-part-2- infiltrate-target-harass-churches
-----------------------------------
And the mosques get a pass.

Check.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at June 15, 2013 11:26 AM (4Mv1T)

234 as well as about 90% of your opinions.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at June 15, 2013 03:23 PM (rZkCM)

Just 90%?

Commie.

Posted by: Vic's doppelganger at June 15, 2013 11:26 AM (WW8xK)

235 They said we won the war fair and square. Posted by: Soona at June 15, 2013 03:20 PM (kd9WQ) Well, if you include Russia I suppose. They did the lion's share of the fighting and the dying.

Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at June 15, 2013 11:26 AM (bb5+k)

236 But some is valid, none more so than the heaping-on that occurred when he came out in favor of the amnesty bill. And I was down with the Horde on that one. We were right...he was wrong. But you're exactly right, people think they can minimize everything about him because of his sexuality. Fuck that. He's a good guy, I disagree with him about 30% of the time, but there's no call for most of the shit that gets thrown at him.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at June 15, 2013 11:26 AM (rZkCM)

237

199 -

 

I will only say, in regards to Gabe, I think he owes it to this site to be honest in his arguments.   When he is not, he deserves  to be called on it.  Every time.

 

I don't have a problem with him taking positions he does, and I certainly do not care what he does in his private life. 

Posted by: BurtTC at June 15, 2013 11:26 AM (TOk1P)

238 More like 87...I sold those in the Record/CD Shop I worked in through HS. I had to look this up since I remember them from when I was in HS. They hit the market in 1978.

Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at June 15, 2013 11:28 AM (V3kRK)

239 I wrote a book called "The City of God" a very long time ago. Perhaps it contains some timely wisdom. Damn straight. And you're my boy!!!! There's a reason you're my Confirmation saint.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at June 15, 2013 11:28 AM (rZkCM)

240 >>>That's exactly what it was about. If he wants to bury his head in the sand, that's his problem.

That's not what he said, and I don't see him as anyone to sugarcoat anything. He said he was staying active locally and politically.

Truman is not around much anymore either but I think he is busting his hump on the ground in Massachusettstan.



Posted by: Tobacco Road at June 15, 2013 11:29 AM (4Mv1T)

241 there's no call for most of the shit that gets thrown at him.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at June 15, 2013 03:26 PM (rZkCM)

Agreed.

It's not like he's a Papist.

Posted by: Vic's doppelganger at June 15, 2013 11:29 AM (WW8xK)

242 Well, if you include Russia I suppose. They did the lion's share of the fighting and the dying. Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at June 15, 2013 03:26 PM (bb5+k) Maybe but partly because A) they threw in with the Nazis when it suited their needs and allowed them that much closer to the Soviet Borders B) Soviet, now Russian, military tactics care very little for human life. Their major asset then, as it is now, is able bodies.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 15, 2013 11:30 AM (jE38p)

243 Damned sock!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 15, 2013 11:30 AM (WW8xK)

244 #231   Well,  speaking as one who is about his age,  the constant diet of "We are DOOMED and there is nothing we can do!"  has sort of dampened my enthusiasm a bit.

Plus,  every time we get on a good role dissecting an Obama scandal, somebody decides to post a thread about how the GOP is shit or a pop culture thing,  which seems to me as a diversion, but this is not my site so I just go away for a while.

Perhaps irongrampa has other things to do,  like figure out ways to hide his assets for his grandchildren,  or look for property in the Yukon.  It's pretty ridiculous to think that someone who leaves here is "putting his head in the sand."

When you are older,  perhaps you will understand the relationship between constant negativity and health.   Myself,  I know too much of it causes a spike in blood pressure which is not very healthy.  

So go ahead and pat yourself on the back.  Meanwhile,  got any solutions to this mess?  That would be a welcome change.

Posted by: Miss Marple at June 15, 2013 11:30 AM (GoIUi)

245 Their major asset then, as it is now, is able bodies.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 15, 2013 03:30 PM (jE38p)

And hundreds of miles of country in which to throw those expendable troops.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 15, 2013 11:31 AM (WW8xK)

246

Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at June 15, 2013 03:28 PM (V3kRK)

 

Damn...I wonder what one of those went for in 1978.   Probably an insane ammount of cash for the time.

Posted by: garrett at June 15, 2013 11:31 AM (8JlwA)

247 Oh, how decent of them.

Could we have won more quickly if we cheated?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 15, 2013 03:24 PM (WW8xK)

 

 

--------------------------------------------------

 

 

"Fair and square" is my term not theirs.  But the message was there.  They knew they had been beaten and beaten bad.

Posted by: Soona at June 15, 2013 11:31 AM (kd9WQ)

248 245 Their major asset then, as it is now, is able bodies. Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 15, 2013 03:30 PM (jE38p) ------------- And hundreds of miles of country in which to throw those expendable troops. Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 15, 2013 03:31 PM (WW8xK) ....Winter is Coming....

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at June 15, 2013 11:32 AM (GEICT)

249 It's not like he's a Papist. *ahem* Filthy Papist to you, bub.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at June 15, 2013 11:32 AM (rZkCM)

250 He's a good guy, I disagree with him about 30% of the time, but there's no call for most of the shit that gets thrown at him. Posted by: Sean Bannion at June 15, 2013 03:26 PM (rZkCM) I must be missing all the Gabe bashing. I've not noted any occasions in which Gabe was getting criticized, except of course, for his support for the Amnesty idea, and as far as i'm concerned, anyone supporting that idea is a fool. Gabe is also a relatively newly minted Lawyer, so there is more than one reason to feel a little animosity towards him.

Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at June 15, 2013 11:32 AM (bb5+k)

251 I must be missing all the Gabe bashing. I've not noted any occasions in which Gabe was getting criticized, except of course, for his support for the Amnesty idea, and as far as i'm concerned, anyone supporting that idea is a fool. Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at June 15, 2013 03:32 PM (bb5+k) Really??? People rip on him all the damn time.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at June 15, 2013 11:33 AM (GEICT)

252 When you are older....

Posted by: Miss Marple at June 15, 2013 03:30 PM (GoIUi)

Young lady, as I have said many times in the past, all Moronettes are young, with smokin' hot bodies and faces to match.

Although your self-deprecation is sweet.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 15, 2013 11:34 AM (WW8xK)

253 Josef Mengele, drinking beers and listening to freaking Pearl Jam. Weird *** I always saw Joe as more of an Insane Clown Posse kind of a guy.

Posted by: WalrusRex at June 15, 2013 11:34 AM (VlXYw)

254 Damned sock! Hey, pass me another one of those Christian blood matzohs, will ya? They really go with this Pinot Grigio.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at June 15, 2013 11:34 AM (rZkCM)

255 Damn...I wonder what one of those went for in 1978. Probably an insane ammount of cash for the time. I was an army brat living in asia, so there was a lot of stuff that may not have been in the US at the time. I specifically remember that my younger brother's best friend's family had one. The kid's father was a State Dept employee. Those were the "rich kids" when I was growing up.

Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at June 15, 2013 11:34 AM (V3kRK)

256 ....Winter is Coming....

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at June 15, 2013 03:32 PM (GEICT)

Nicely done!

My wife and I are going to watch the last episode in a few hours.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 15, 2013 11:35 AM (WW8xK)

257

It's Summer.   IronGramps has fishing and cars and grandkids to keep him busy.

 

Besides, he on't be able to quit this place for long.

 

Posted by: garrett at June 15, 2013 11:35 AM (8JlwA)

258 Tbh, I haven't seen much Gabe gay bashing in a long time. I remember when it was muuuuch more frequent a couple years ago.

Posted by: KG at June 15, 2013 11:35 AM (IPz9m)

259 Gabe is also a relatively newly minted Lawyer, so there is more than one reason to feel a little animosity towards him. AmishDude???? Is that you?

Posted by: Sean Bannion at June 15, 2013 11:35 AM (rZkCM)

260 They really did not cover their tracks so well. The Allies knew during the War what was going on but for "Political and War necessity" reasons it was kept mostly under hat. After the War, the Communist threat took precedent. But people knew, people choose not to act and look the other way. And Jews, who should have been the most "interested" had bigger fish to fry in the establishment of the State of Israel. Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 15, 2013 03:10 PM (jE38p) They covered them up enough so many mass murderers could not be prosecuted after the war.

Posted by: waldo at June 15, 2013 11:35 AM (RZwdH)

261 "That's not what he said, and I don't see him as anyone to sugarcoat anything."

Bullshit, he has whined about it before. He's under the delusion the country hasn't pasted a rubicon and doesn't want to hear any different. 
As for Malor, the only reason he doesn't get the shit he deserves is because ace asked us to lay off him. The guy doesn't share one ideological connection to anyone here. Oh he'll say he's for a smaller more conservative government as a whole but when it comes to specific issues he always take the liberal viewpoint, always. He's a joke.

Posted by: lowandslow at June 15, 2013 11:36 AM (Fz2C7)

262 Posted by: Sean Bannion at June 15, 2013 03:34 PM (rZkCM)

I deleted "filthy." I thought the minimalist approach was best, since filthy is always assumed when discussing Catholics.

And it's Christian BABY blood.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 15, 2013 11:36 AM (WW8xK)

263

256 -

 

Ooh!  Wait until you see the part where.....

 

Posted by: BurtTC at June 15, 2013 11:36 AM (TOk1P)

264 @253 Ha! the guy across the hall blasted that kind of shit all the time. Also that "Jump Around" song. Of course he also drank Dr. Pepper and Vodkas from a 64 ounce plastic cup, so there were some issues there.

Posted by: lincolntf at June 15, 2013 11:37 AM (ZshNr)

265 Besides, he on't be able to quit this place for long. I know. I just miss seeing his hash. No, that's NOT a euphemism. Pervs.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at June 15, 2013 11:37 AM (rZkCM)

266 Nicely done! My wife and I are going to watch the last episode in a few hours. Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 15, 2013 03:35 PM (WW8xK) Dude, I literally just finished watching Ep 2....of Season 2. No HBO in the 1981 house. (cause I'm cheap, not cause of politics)

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at June 15, 2013 11:37 AM (GEICT)

267 103 Waldo, I saw that ( or something nearly identical) a while back. The coolest part was how these seemingly unknown to each other cats would often have nocturnal meet-ups, sort of sitting in a circle, shooting the shit. Totally freaked my niece out when I told her about the story. I made it as dramatic as possible, like a feline coven living all around us. I'm a mean uncle sometimes. Posted by: lincolntf at June 15, 2013 02:12 PM (ZshNr) We know that they are into stealing ladies underwear. Somewhere there is some poor guy in the slammer who was set up by a panty stealing pussy!

Posted by: waldo at June 15, 2013 11:38 AM (RZwdH)

268 And it's Christian BABY blood. Yes, yes, whatever. Quit bogarting them. Pass the bowl.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at June 15, 2013 11:38 AM (rZkCM)

269 Posted by: lowandslow at June 15, 2013 03:36 PM (Fz2C7) Thanks for so eloquently proving Bannion and I's point.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at June 15, 2013 11:38 AM (GEICT)

270 Posted by: Soona at June 15, 2013 03:31 PM (kd9WQ)

I realize those words were theirs.

But it's an interesting supposition...that there is an underhanded way to win a war.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 15, 2013 11:38 AM (WW8xK)

271 Well, if you include Russia I suppose. They did the lion's share of the fighting and the dying.

Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at June 15, 2013 03:26 PM (bb5+k)

 

 

-----------------------------------------------

 

 

Tactics, tactics, tactics.  Russian had an almost unlimited supply of flesh and bone and they used it that way.  Much of Russia's woes wouldn't have happened if Stalin wouldn't have purged much of  the military prior to it's war involvement.  Plus, it's just the communist mindset.  People are only instruments  or units to the means to the state's end.

Posted by: Soona at June 15, 2013 11:39 AM (kd9WQ)

272 >>>Bullshit, he has whined about it before. He's under the delusion the country hasn't pasted a rubicon and doesn't want to hear any different

I see. So your crystal ball is crystal fucking clear, and IG's of 72 years is not.
And I didn't say squat about Malor. Grind yer axe on somebody else's ass.


Posted by: Tobacco Road at June 15, 2013 11:39 AM (4Mv1T)

273 "Thanks for so eloquently proving Bannion and I's point.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at June 15, 2013 03:38 PM (GEICT)"


You don't have a fucking point, you're just the AoSHQ version of Chris Matthews, instead of seeing racism everywhere you see homophobia.

Posted by: lowandslow at June 15, 2013 11:40 AM (Fz2C7)

274 Maybe but partly because A) they threw in with the Nazis when it suited their needs and allowed them that much closer to the Soviet Borders B) Soviet, now Russian, military tactics care very little for human life. Their major asset then, as it is now, is able bodies. Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 15, 2013 03:30 PM (jE38p) I've discussed the war with an Austrian who's father served in the German Army during the war. From the Allied perspective it has always been considered to be one of Hitler's biggest mistake to drop the Invasion of Britain and open a second front against the Soviets. Well, I've had quite a few discussions with this Austrian , and he claims that Hitler found out Russia was building up to invade them , so he decided to beat them to the punch and invade them first. At least that's what he says they are getting taught over there. Of course, the explanation that Hitler was a bit of an irrational kook (possibly high on Meth as well ) also explains it.

Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at June 15, 2013 11:40 AM (bb5+k)

275 Some of you might recognize the name Tasha Tudor.  She was a well-know children's book illustrator,  whose art is still highly sought after.

She immersed herself in a new England farm which had no running water and no electricity.  She dressed in clothing reminiscent of the 19th century.  She gardened, kept goats,  and painted.

And she lived to be about 95 years old.

Just thought I would point this out.

Posted by: Miss Marple at June 15, 2013 11:41 AM (GoIUi)

276 We know that they are into stealing ladies underwear. Somewhere there is some poor guy in the slammer who was set up by a panty stealing pussy! Posted by: waldo at June 15, 2013 03:38 PM (RZwdH) A little mood music: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tA73k88NU-s

Posted by: Syd's Accountant at June 15, 2013 11:41 AM (Vk2pI)

277 You don't have a fucking point, you're just the AoSHQ version of Chris Matthews, instead of seeing racism everywhere you see homophobia. Posted by: lowandslow at June 15, 2013 03:40 PM (Fz2C7) Huh? When have I ever accused anyone around here of homophobia? When have I ever even mentioned anything about homosexuals?

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at June 15, 2013 11:41 AM (GEICT)

278 You don't have a fucking point, you're just the AoSHQ version of Chris Matthews, instead of seeing racism everywhere you see homophobia. Riiiiiiiiight. Uh huh.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at June 15, 2013 11:42 AM (rZkCM)

279 CBD, it's our reality now in many ways. Any total war policy would've reduced/eliminated US casualties in most of our conflicts since WW2, but we didn't do it. Leveling cities used to be standard, it's now exotic. Not exactly the same as the "cheating" track, but I'm sure you get what I'm saying.

Posted by: lincolntf at June 15, 2013 11:42 AM (ZshNr)

280 "I see. So your crystal ball is crystal fucking clear, and IG's of 72 years is not."

You know you're probably right, hell tell ace to shut down the blog, no point in fretting about the course of the country, some guy named irongrampa feels everything will be just fine.

Posted by: lowandslow at June 15, 2013 11:42 AM (Fz2C7)

281 Plus, every time we get on a good role dissecting an Obama scandal, somebody decides to post a thread about how the GOP is shit or a pop culture thing, which seems to me as a diversion, but this is not my site so I just go away for a while. Posted by: Miss Marple at June 15, 2013 03:30 PM (GoIUi) I've noticed that several times myself. We might be having a good discussion on some issue of import (IMO) and all of a sudden a new post is up talking about something stupid, (like pop culture) and it robs all the oxygen from the current ongoing discussion. Very irritating.

Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at June 15, 2013 11:43 AM (bb5+k)

282 The sky is always falling. Ya just got to get used to it and bugger on. Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 15, 2013 03:18 PM (jE38p) But wait! If it's always falling that means it will end up right where it started! Happy days!

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at June 15, 2013 11:43 AM (V1ZIU)

283 But wait! If it's always falling that means it will end up right where it started! Happy days! Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at June 15, 2013 03:43 PM (V1ZIU) Stoner logic.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at June 15, 2013 11:44 AM (GEICT)

284 Jesus Christ, kumbaya hour here again.

Posted by: lowandslow at June 15, 2013 11:44 AM (Fz2C7)

285

274 -

 

There are  nearly countless perspectives on this.  The majority consensus though, is that Stalin dithered while Hitler planned.  They both knew the "alliance" wasn't going to last, but while Stalin had his troops frolicking in the woods without proper equipment, Hitler massed his army, and attacked. 

 

It tooks weeks for any kind of Soviet response.  Why?  Because Stalin got his feelings hurt, and moped.  Since nobody could act without his order, the initial damage was allowed to get much much worse than it should have. 

 

Of course, that still doesn't explain why Hitler attacked Russia before defeating Britain, which he almost surely would have, if he had postponed the Russian war. 

Posted by: BurtTC at June 15, 2013 11:45 AM (TOk1P)

286 Jesus Christ, kumbaya hour here again. No, Douchebag Hour started at 3:36.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at June 15, 2013 11:45 AM (rZkCM)

287 Really??? People rip on him all the damn time. Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at June 15, 2013 03:33 PM (GEICT) What can I say, I must have good timing or something. I just never noticed it. But then again, I don't make all the threads, or for that matter even most of them. I check in when I can (still have responsibilities to deal with all the time) and I just must be looking in at the wrong times.

Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at June 15, 2013 11:45 AM (bb5+k)

288 284 Jesus Christ, kumbaya hour here again. Posted by: lowandslow at June 15, 2013 03:44 PM (Fz2C7) I'm quite certain the InfoWars button on your computer works...

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at June 15, 2013 11:46 AM (GEICT)

289 284 Jesus Christ, kumbaya hour here again. Posted by: lowandslow at June 15, 2013 03:44 PM (Fz2C7) And by kumbaya you mean alcohol, right?

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at June 15, 2013 11:46 AM (V1ZIU)

290 the Germans honestly thought that the US and what was left of the German army were going to team-up against the Sovs. Probably would have saved a lot of trouble in the proceeding years, too.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at June 15, 2013 03:25 PM (qpah5)


I had a plan for that!

Posted by: Major General G S Patton III at June 15, 2013 11:46 AM (Cnqmv)

291 But it's an interesting supposition...that there is an underhanded way to win a war.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 15, 2013 03:38 PM (WW8xK)

 

 

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That's interesting in the fact that many of these ex-soldiers knew  that they were  more involved with terrorism against civilians sometimes more than they were involved with fighting the allies.  So, at least a few of them, admit to the German military being "underhanded".

 

There was one that I talked to that was on the armor spearhead of the  Battle of the Bulge.  He said that they actually thought if they could make it to the supply  and fuel dumps in Antwerp, they had a chance to win the war.  It's kind of funny watching his face describing this.  After going on for awhile about the progress they had made, he looked down and said, "and then the weather cleared up".

Posted by: Soona at June 15, 2013 11:47 AM (kd9WQ)

292 "I'm quite certain the InfoWars button on your computer works...

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at June 15, 2013 03:46 PM (GEICT)"


Fuck you.

Posted by: lowandslow at June 15, 2013 11:47 AM (Fz2C7)

293 >>>some guy named irongrampa feels everything will be just fine.
Posted by: lowandslow

And he never said that either. He is not on the LIB wagon because he said he would rather fight for America. Please tell what is wrong with that ideal? I'd call him a roll model. Even if I don't agree with him.

You?


Posted by: Tobacco Road at June 15, 2013 11:47 AM (4Mv1T)

294 Fuck you. You mad, bro?

Posted by: Sean Bannion at June 15, 2013 11:47 AM (rZkCM)

295 Fuck you. Posted by: lowandslow at June 15, 2013 03:47 PM (Fz2C7) Dinner first big guy.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at June 15, 2013 11:48 AM (GEICT)

296 Bah!  I am going to go make potato salad for tomorrow.

lowandslow can't have any.

Posted by: Miss Marple at June 15, 2013 11:48 AM (GoIUi)

297 Nood....thankfully.

Posted by: Tami[/i][/b][/u][/s] at June 15, 2013 11:50 AM (X6akg)

298 Just be very circumspect on windage and drop when you see the Waffen SS Furries.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at June 15, 2013 11:50 AM (BPdDg)

299 I'm rewatching I Shot Andy Warhol. It's a great film. A real comedy. Two Thumbs up!

Posted by: waldo at June 15, 2013 11:51 AM (RZwdH)

300 Whilt we're airing our grievances, hey Cochran, did ever ever do anything to actually earn the paycheck your family gives you? Because it appears to me you spend every waking hour posting here. Sleep well at night?

Posted by: lowandslow at June 15, 2013 11:52 AM (Fz2C7)

301

I do see the point though, guys.  It's not possible to have a substantive disagreement about something without someone showing up with the torch, indiscriminately burning everything. 

 

Still, after a while, I just ignore it  because fire don't burn throo the pooter  screen. 

Posted by: BurtTC at June 15, 2013 11:52 AM (TOk1P)

302 Douchebag Hour started at 3:36. *** So I'm late. Geez, why didn't anybody tell me?

Posted by: WalrusRex at June 15, 2013 11:52 AM (VlXYw)

303 I don't have the rifle really "purposed" yet. I just know I can't see through the irons.

Posted by: Tobacco Road
----------------

Yeah, same problem here. My depth-of-field is shot to shit. So far as iron sights go, I work much better with a peep than a classic open sight, but still crappy.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at June 15, 2013 11:53 AM (aDwsi)

304 They covered them up enough so many mass murderers could not be prosecuted after the war. Posted by: waldo at June 15, 2013 03:35 PM (RZwdH) Lack of effort, not lack of evidence

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 15, 2013 11:53 AM (jE38p)

305 Hang on. Imma hit me some popcorn

Posted by: Sean Bannion at June 15, 2013 11:53 AM (rZkCM)

306 After going on for awhile about the progress they had made, he looked down and said, "and then the weather cleared up". Posted by: Soona at June 15, 2013 03:47 PM (kd9WQ) At this point in the war, Armor could only move if it could avoid p-51s which were excellent tank killers. Clear weather was a death sentence for Armor Columns.

Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at June 15, 2013 11:54 AM (bb5+k)

307 ut some is valid, none more so than the heaping-on that occurred when he came out in favor of the amnesty bill.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at June 15, 2013 03:22 PM (WW8xK)


I must have missed that one. But he is not the only one on here who supports the Ratfk Rubio bill.

Posted by: Vic at June 15, 2013 11:54 AM (lZvxr)

308 300 Whilt we're airing our grievances, hey Cochran, did ever ever do anything to actually earn the paycheck your family gives you? Because it appears to me you spend every waking hour posting here. Sleep well at night? Posted by: lowandslow at June 15, 2013 03:52 PM (Fz2C7) Like a baby. Some of us have the intellectual capacity to do more than one thing at a time.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at June 15, 2013 11:54 AM (GEICT)

309 New one up

Posted by: Vic at June 15, 2013 11:54 AM (lZvxr)

310 Is Tiger ever going to win another Major? Jack is smiling today

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 15, 2013 11:54 AM (jE38p)

311 Very irritating.

Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at June 15, 2013 03:43 PM (bb5+k)



I still view this as the premier blog for (mostly) intelligent commentary and world class snark (always), but I have noticed that the constant gallows humor is a bit wearing, at least for me, and it seems to me that a bit of "SQUIRREL!!!" has crept in.  Maybe it is just that watching the country I love being slowly dismantled by communists and thugs (BIRM) that is bringing me down and not just the threads here.

Posted by: Hrothgar at June 15, 2013 11:55 AM (Cnqmv)

312 "Like a baby. Some of us have the intellectual capacity to do more than one thing at a time."

Yeah don't flatter yourself buddy, stealing is stealing.

Posted by: lowandslow at June 15, 2013 11:55 AM (Fz2C7)

313 Must.Go.Mow.Grass.
 Must.Pull.Away.From.AoSHQ.Tarbaby.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at June 15, 2013 11:56 AM (aDwsi)

314 I've got to get Back to getting shit done. Later people.

Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at June 15, 2013 11:56 AM (bb5+k)

315 Pre-November 2012 - the site was filled with good humor and fun because who would've expected that an absolute disaster like TFG would get reelected. War on Women? Pfft! Romney the Murdering Plutocrat? Ha! Forward? Bwa-ha-ha! Who would've believed that some many of our fellow countrymen are complete idiots? Fool me once- sure. But over and over and over again? The fact that our country is damaged badly in everyway for a very long time. Has settled in. There's no way to convince someone to think rationally. The MSM has won. Period. But that's when you need to get tough and fight back when you get the opportunity. and more important, that's when you need to make fun of them and mock TFG and all his minions. They hate that. So, yeah I hope, some of the good feeling and humor comes back esp in the comments. Cuz then it means we haven't totally lost. It means there's hope. As a side note, too many trolls are allowed to divert and piss all over the threads. We don't need them right now.

Posted by: Somewhat Sorry To Offend You at June 15, 2013 11:56 AM (ZR4Xh)

316 I gotta get some lunch.

Posted by: SFGoth at June 15, 2013 11:57 AM (Ws/3H)

317 Yeah don't flatter yourself buddy, stealing is stealing. Posted by: lowandslow at June 15, 2013 03:55 PM (Fz2C7) *eyeroll* Still mad, huh bro?

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at June 15, 2013 11:58 AM (GEICT)

318 "Especially if he had pulled an Obama, thrown Himmler and Goering under the bus and piously claimed that the first time he had heard of the whole death camp thing was when he had read about them in the papers."

Circa '45, people had enough common sense to discount such a ridiculous plea of ignorance. Today not so much because common sense isn't nearly as common as it once was.

But, yeah, there was no equivalent Wannsee Conference at Camp David. The conference was actually an entire series of conferences spread out over Obama's academic career and street agitator days. They were what they were long before entering the WH threshold and even before the New Party was constructed.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at June 15, 2013 11:58 AM (eHIJJ)

319 Yeah don't flatter yourself buddy, stealing is stealing. Well, at least your hash reflects your intellect. So you got that goin' for ya. Which is nice. Moving to next thread.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at June 15, 2013 11:58 AM (rZkCM)

320 That's exactly what it was about. If he wants to bury his head in the sand, that's his problem.

Posted by: lowandslow at June 15, 2013 03:25 PM (Fz2C7)

 

I believe that to be an unfair characterization of the man and the situation.

 

Everyone needs a break.

 

Just because you break from this site, does not mean you put your head in the sand and take a break from life.

 

In fact, it might mean just the opposite.

Posted by: ddan at June 15, 2013 11:59 AM (q1RJB)

321 Bodenplatte truly ruined the Luftwaffe.  All the carefully husbanded fighters and pilots thrown away in one mad orgasm of futile attacks during the time of Battle of the Bulge.  It hurt Allied fighter strength for all of a week but the Luftwaffe lost most of their fighters.  Fighters that Galland had tried to save to give the 8th Air Force such a bloody nose to at least give Germany some breathing space.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at June 15, 2013 11:59 AM (BPdDg)

322 Meh, Goring ruined the Luftwaffe.  It was, in 1939, the best air force in the world (esp. as army ground support).  However, Goring put (I forget which one) a guy in charge of development who wanted every type of plane, including medium bombers (!) to be able to dive.  That was ridiculous.  Additionally, the Luftwaffe never developed better fighters during the war and the ME-262 came too late and Hitler wanted to use it as a bomber.  By December, 1944, there wasn't much Luftwaffe left anyway.

Posted by: SFGoth at June 15, 2013 12:04 PM (Ws/3H)

323 And speaking to the post; there's also no proof that Charles Manson was present or took part in any of the killings done supposedly at his order.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That (Ecclesiates 9:11) at June 15, 2013 12:09 PM (28TG+)

324 I'm saying it. obama is a mass murderer.

Posted by: Torqued at June 15, 2013 12:13 PM (AKS75)

325 Manson was convicted under the CA Joint Responsibility Rule.  In any other State in the Union (except maybe NY) he would have been executed already.

Posted by: Vic at June 15, 2013 12:22 PM (lZvxr)

326 Talking about Udet.  But the RLM stayed screwed up. 

The German military overall was geared for a short war and that is why the Luftwaffe never embraced until too late the concept of strategi bombing as espoused by Douhet.  Even as the Battle of Britain raged and destroyed so many fighters and bombers, Heinkel, Dornier, and Messerschimt stayed at almost pre-war production levels.  By the time Speer ram-rodded a production ramp-up it was too late.

He-188 Grief was even fitted with dive brakes.  The Ju-88 performed so many roles well in a pinch, the RLM thought other designs should also.  So the promising Nachtjager He-219 languished with low priority while the Ju-88 fought RAF Bomber Command.

Everyone likes to trot out the Hitler caused the ME-262 to come too late.  But the chronology shows how tenuous that assertion is.  When the Schwalbe was first proposed the RLM did not think they would need it since they expected a short war and they were winning with current designs.  So there really was no pressure to move forward quickly.  So things moved forward leisurely.  Plus there were teething issues with the BMW 003 and Jumo 004 engines.   

RLM actually issued a request for a jet in 1938. 
Messerschmitt's project 1065 mockup was inspected on Dec 19, 1939. 
It was not until March 1940 that a contract was issued for three airframes and a static frame. 
First flight with only the Jumo piston engine took place on April 18, 1941.  First time an ME-262 flew under pure jet power took place on March 2, 1943 - three days later the Gloster Meteor takes to the air for the first time.
June 2 1943, ME-262 released for mass production.
August 17, 1943 ME-262 production jigs at Regensburg destroyed by Allied bomber raid.
November 1943 Goering asks if the ME-262 could be used as a bomber.
Then on December 12th, 1943 the Fuhrer orders ME-262 as only a fighter-bomber or jabo.
And its only after the 'Fuhrer orders it!' does Speer give the ME-262 the production priority it needs.
April 1944 is when Luftwaffe accepts 16 pre-production aircraft.
January 8, 1944 - first flight of the XP-80.
June 8, 1944 is when the most infamous Fuhrerbehfel limits ME-262 production to bombers only. 

It must be noted that by May, 1945 when war in Europe was ending, the USAAF had deployed several P-80s to the ETO but they never saw combat.  Compare how fast the P-80 went from first flight to almost seeing combat in WWII to how slow the development pace of the ME-262 before either of the Fuhrer's orders.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at June 15, 2013 12:36 PM (BPdDg)

327 The people in this country aren't interested in the scandals anymore. Why?

Posted by: CarolT at June 15, 2013 01:18 PM (z4WKX)

 

I don't know about  the "people"; Fox did a poll (a real one, not an online thing) and it found that 75%+ want 3 of the scandals to be continued to be investigated by Congress (iirc they were: IRS, Benghazi, and AP).

Posted by: Aslan's Girl at June 15, 2013 12:36 PM (KL49F)

328 172 Glenn Beck is planning to reveal something that will bring down both the Republicans and Democrats..........in 24 to 36 hours. He announced that on Wednesday.

On Thursday, Glenn Beck announced he would reveal something that will bring down both the Republicans and Democrats..........in 24 to 36 hours.

On Friday, Glenn Beck announced he would reveal something that will bring down both
the Republicans and Democrats..........in 24 to 36 hours.

On Saturday..............oh fuck it. Has anyone ever noticed how Beck always comes up with these kind of cliffhanger proclamations at about the same time he launches a new book? Does the guy never stop selling something?

Posted by: Not an Artist at June 15, 2013 03:01 PM (uRumV)

 

Obviously you missed that he never said HE'D reveal the info, but that a whistleblower with CONDITIONS would. The conditions relied on "heroes in Congress"; guess he hasn't found  any yet. The day after Beck mentioned this, he said that it pertained to CJ Roberts  being hacked by the NSA to blackmail his vote on Ocare (something about  Roberts'  kids).

Posted by: Aslan's Girl at June 15, 2013 12:41 PM (KL49F)

329 Who will rid me of this troublesome Tea Party?

Posted by: Barky I at June 15, 2013 12:47 PM (sOtz/)

330 By eleven? Oh well.

Posted by: Barky I at June 15, 2013 12:48 PM (sOtz/)

331

"Without the market created by FM/FM in MBS there would not have been massive mis-investment in the derivatives. FM/FM was *the* market. They had bought upwards of 50% of all mortgages in the US, chopped them up, and resold them to the banks. The banks knew of course they were implicitly backed by the Feds and that why the credit ratings agencies were happy to stamp AAA on them and collect their fees without the barest of due diligence."

 

weft cut, very well and concisely stated.

 

CRA was of course idiotic and extravagantly unconstitutional, and contributed to the overall result, but in a minor way.

 

The creation and insane expansion of the derivatives - as you point out most of them de facto exempt from rating agency due diligence thanks to the implicit fed guarantee - was the heart of the matter in the 2008 disaster.

 

Of course, exacerbated by the socialization of the mess via TARP, all the mortgage "assistance" programs since, and the galactic expansion of moral hazard due to the whole basket of idiocy.  Oh, and Dodd-Frank, to "fix" it.

 

The refusal of anyone in the public square to explain all this, to prove it, to refute the nonsensical mythology that was offered from the outset, stands out as one of the reality-bending issues of the past few years.  Those, of course, are now literally beyond counting, and I can't belive what I see and hear is actually happening.

 

Oh, and one general point - it's not the institutions, the govt. bureaucracy, the political class, and their irresponsibility, stupidity, greed, statist idiocy, and hostility to rule of law and civilized humane society that are the problem (though they are all there, and clearly have become catastrophically pervasive). 

 

It's your neighbor, your co-worker, the fireman at the local station, the unionized "conservative" Dem at the factory, the guy on your softball team.  It sure as hell ain't me - but it is most definitely "us".


 

Posted by: non-purist at June 15, 2013 01:05 PM (afQnV)

332 Oh, no doubt, Hitler set the tone that made it possible for the guys under him to carry out the Holocaust. But Hitler probably did, verbally, off the record, whether in so many words or not, tell Himmler at some point to kill the Jews (or Hitler told Goering or Frick or whoever to tell Himmler to do it), and Himmler told Heydrich, and Heydrich told the department heads at the Wannsee conference, and those guys told their people, and the thing got done. All these guys understood, and rightly so, both from the boss's attitude and his relayed verbal orders, that that's what he wanted. He just didn't put it on paper himself. I'm not sure that in itself would have kept him off the scaffold if he'd been captured alive. I think the Soviets in particular would have hanged, drawn and quartered him anyway, given the chance. Now, if he'd won, and gotten rid of the Jews, it might have been politic at some point to erase that bit of history, and the individuals involved. Robert Harris (not Thomas Harris) wrote his first novel, "Fatherland", about that particular what-if.

Posted by: Rich Fader at June 15, 2013 01:11 PM (dt8Su)

333 Manson and his followers death sentences were overturned by the USSC and th Cal SCt who found the way that the DP was being implemented as unconstitutional. For technical criminal procedural reasons, they could not retry them and charge the death penalty again. Because CA and most states at the time did not have lwop, they ended up with just life sentences and the right to parole. So, we have these farce of parole hearings every couple of years. They should just accept their fate. They have good lives in prison. One more reason why life in prison is no substitute for the worse crimes.

Posted by: waldo at June 15, 2013 01:50 PM (RZwdH)

334 304 They covered them up enough so many mass murderers could not be prosecuted after the war. Posted by: waldo at June 15, 2013 03:35 PM (RZwdH) Lack of effort, not lack of evidence Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 15, 2013 03:53 PM (jE38p) No, lack of admissible evidence. No one is saying that they didn't do it. Many of these thugs were tried and convicted on lesser charges and ended up doing only a few years in prison even though they murdered tens of thousands of people They should have been fucking hanged. You also have to remember that the europeans had then and now an inferior system of criminal justice. Frankly, this is the one area that I admire the Soviets in how they cleaned up the after war dreck. That Speer escaped the hangman is another bone of contention. . .

Posted by: waldo at June 15, 2013 01:57 PM (RZwdH)

335 Oh, and the krauts abolished the DP in the early 50s because in their opinion too many were being sentenced to death. Yes, so much more fair to give them a life sentence and then release them after a couple of years. Spit. How some dirt bag who was in charge of Operation Reinhardt camps could die at home defies all sense of justice.

Posted by: Waldo at June 15, 2013 02:29 PM (RZwdH)

336 I recommend this link be added:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-M0w51aPJ8w

Posted by: George LeS at June 15, 2013 02:42 PM (C4s3i)

337 Godwined in... oh this thread comes pre Godwined.

Posted by: kevinw at June 15, 2013 05:36 PM (JoDfs)

338 Obama is as much of a passing fad as Hitler was, so if you think you will just wait for him to leave. You've got a nasty shock a coming. Obamacare-Hitlers univeral health care, Highly inflated money devalueation=Obama's or hitlers? Disarming the populace Obama or hitler ? Taking over private businesses Obama or hitler ? Demonizing to scape goat a group of God's people Obama or hitler ? Allies with jihadist Muslims against God's people Obama or hitler ? Wars against the American people Obama or hitler ?

Posted by: ron n. at June 15, 2013 08:43 PM (6fvl0)

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