April 10, 2013
— Ace Some are calling this a political fig-leaf for Democrats-- something that accomplishes nothing and thus gives Democrats (and some Republicans) some political cover while not actually doing much of anything.
Even if that were the case, let us remember that when laws are drafted, the Democrats frequently insert contradictory/nonsensical parts into them, which demand to be "fixed" later legislatively, or which serve as an open invitations to judges to interpret them -- if you've written a law that's calculatedly insensible and unworkable, the courts really do have to come in and "fix" your "errors," or else they have a law that just can't be read to make sense.
Which way do you imagine they'll fix that?
I think I know. I think the NRA does too.
Someone connected with the legislative work of Republicans complained to me about this long ago-- either the Republicans simply don't recognize Judicial Interpretation Traps in the laws they write (or that Democrats insert), or they're doing it deliberately, to get the courts to do what they themselves want done but don't dare do themselves. So they can rail about the courts intruding into legislative affairs while secretly having assisted in that outcome.
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Posted by: Mr Pink at April 10, 2013 10:30 AM (iu8Gq)
Posted by: toby928© Red Partisan at April 10, 2013 10:31 AM (QupBk)
Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at April 10, 2013 10:31 AM (mN8D3)
Posted by: Karnac The Judge Roberts at April 10, 2013 10:31 AM (r2PLg)
Posted by: GOP leadership at April 10, 2013 10:31 AM (F6KtL)
Until I see conflicting evidence to the contrary, i am going with mind numbing stupidity as their problem. After all, we can back that up with waaaaay more evidence than just this instance.
Posted by: B at April 10, 2013 10:31 AM (VC56G)
me about this long ago-- either the Republicans simply don't recognize
Judicial Interpretation Traps in the laws they write
Or the third option, they approve of the measure but don't want their voters to know it.
Posted by: toby928© Red Partisan at April 10, 2013 10:32 AM (QupBk)
Posted by: rickb223 at April 10, 2013 10:32 AM (GFM2b)
Posted by: Pat Toomey at April 10, 2013 10:33 AM (F6KtL)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 10, 2013 10:33 AM (XYSwB)
Good times, good times:
If the NRA didn't like the bill, they would have said so.
Looks like this puppy's going to sail through.
Posted by: jwest at April 10, 2013 12:05 PM
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Can we lable jwest a concern troll, now?
Posted by: Jay at April 10, 2013 10:33 AM (3LaGb)
If I hear ONE person on our side say that this "is not the hill to die on," or any variation thereof, I willl *self censors for violent content* with butter! TWICE!
I've said it before and I'll say it again: we already voted on the subject of gun control. The year was 1789, and the opinion was that gun control was bad. Full stop.
Unlike most science, this issue is fucking SETTLED.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/u][/i][/b] at April 10, 2013 10:33 AM (4df7R)
Think of this as the Don't Ask Don't Tell version or Civil Unions of gun laws.
IOW, it's just the tip.
The Left will not stop.
Posted by: Soothsayer at April 10, 2013 10:33 AM (9Q7Nu)
Devious/gutless or just stupid? With the GOP, its always such a tough call.
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at April 10, 2013 10:34 AM (8ZskC)
There are two parties at this time: Democrat, and Democrat Lite, the latter of which spends most of its time whispering sweet nothings in the ear of the conservative portion of the electorate, while secretly giving the Left a wink and a thumbs up sign.
Let it Burn - not a political philosophy, but an acceptance of reality.
Posted by: Kinley Ardal at April 10, 2013 10:34 AM (MKGCp)
Right?
Posted by: © Sponge at April 10, 2013 10:34 AM (xmcEQ)
Posted by: tasker at April 10, 2013 10:35 AM (r2PLg)
Posted by: GOP leadership at April 10, 2013 10:35 AM (F6KtL)
You'll need reliable office help for that.
Posted by: Dr. Kermit Gosnell at April 10, 2013 10:36 AM (8ZskC)
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 10, 2013 10:36 AM (XYSwB)
There are two parties at this time: Democrat, and Democrat Lite, the latter of which spends most of its time whispering sweet nothings in the ear of the conservative portion of the electorate, while secretly giving the Left a wink and a thumbs up sign.
Let it Burn - not a political philosophy, but an acceptance of reality.
Posted by: Kinley Ardal at April 10, 2013 02:34 PM (MKGCp)
Yes, the ruling class.
Posted by: Temper Tantrum at April 10, 2013 10:36 AM (AWmfW)
One word:
Fucking cowards.
Posted by: EC at April 10, 2013 10:36 AM (GQ8sn)
Posted by: GOP leadership at April 10, 2013 10:36 AM (F6KtL)
Posted by: Mr Pink at April 10, 2013 10:37 AM (iu8Gq)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 10, 2013 10:37 AM (tqLft)
Posted by: RWC at April 10, 2013 10:38 AM (fWAjv)
Posted by: Jay at April 10, 2013 02:33 PM (3LaGb)
We are conservative....we don't label people.
Can't we just mock him, tear into his arguments, and then call him an asshole?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 10, 2013 10:38 AM (/WLC3)
I mean, their job is to DO WHATS BEST FOR THE UNITED STATES as a whole. Reaching across the fucking isle does nothing but let the libs force their marxist fucking wet dream on the once great country.
Posted by: © Sponge at April 10, 2013 10:38 AM (xmcEQ)
Or, he's too drunk to see straight.
Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 10, 2013 02:36 PM (XYSwB) [/i]
Or he's itching for a smoke break and can't be bothered to give the bills mroe than a cursory glance.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/u][/i][/b] at April 10, 2013 10:39 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Lord Humungus 2016 at April 10, 2013 10:39 AM (HEa5q)
Posted by: GOP leadership at April 10, 2013 10:39 AM (F6KtL)
Pat Toomey better be careful or he will end up as Arlen Spector, Part Deux.
Posted by: mpfs, assault fishstick at April 10, 2013 10:39 AM (iYbLN)
Posted by: angel with a sword at April 10, 2013 10:40 AM (Of9ho)
Posted by: Eaton Cox at April 10, 2013 10:40 AM (q177U)
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 10, 2013 02:38 PM
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Raises both hands...
Posted by: Jay at April 10, 2013 10:40 AM (3LaGb)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at April 10, 2013 10:41 AM (/PCJa)
no returns for this site on the first FIVE fucking pages. Sounds like some funny business.
Looks like google doesn't like you anymore, ace
Ummm...I get the blog as the first hit.
You must be having cache and proxy issues.
Posted by: EC at April 10, 2013 10:41 AM (GQ8sn)
Looks like google doesn't like you anymore, ace
Posted by: Eaton Cox at April 10, 2013 02:40 PM (q177U)
Search SCOAMF and see what comes back.
Posted by: © Sponge at April 10, 2013 10:41 AM (xmcEQ)
Posted by: GOP leadership at April 10, 2013 10:41 AM (F6KtL)
Posted by: Eaton Cox at April 10, 2013 02:40 PM (q177U)
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First entry when I did it.....?
Posted by: fixerupper at April 10, 2013 10:41 AM (nELVU)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Mmmm. Tea. at April 10, 2013 10:42 AM (VtjlW)
Posted by: rickb223 at April 10, 2013 10:42 AM (GFM2b)
Posted by: tasker at April 10, 2013 10:42 AM (r2PLg)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at April 10, 2013 02:41 PM (/PCJa)
What, you busy or sumpthin?
Haven't seen you around much.
Posted by: © Sponge at April 10, 2013 10:42 AM (xmcEQ)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 10, 2013 10:42 AM (tqLft)
Posted by: GOP leadership at April 10, 2013 10:43 AM (F6KtL)
Once more, with feeling:
"Universal Background Checks" ARE Universal Gun Registration.
This is not a "slippery slope" argument. This is not a "sin qua non" argument. Universal Background Checks are Universal Gun Registration. Unless, of course, you don't believe the Government is going to keep a record of every Gun Purchaser's Background Check.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at April 10, 2013 10:43 AM (/PCJa)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 10, 2013 10:44 AM (tqLft)
Posted by: @JohnTant at April 10, 2013 10:44 AM (tVWQB)
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Don't forget the bureaucrats. Since ObamaCare, legislating by delegating to the bureaucrats has jumped to an even higher gear.
That's where the real action is at as they give the ATF the authority to define what transactions (read: All) fall under the law and the IRS the authority to define when (read: Always) an event must be reported as a taxable sale or loss.
And the Piss-Yellow Coward John Roberts will waive the Constitution by, "It's a tax."
Posted by: RoyalOil at April 10, 2013 10:44 AM (VjL9S)
Posted by: Crying Man John "Mcdrinky" Boehner at April 10, 2013 10:44 AM (sxq57)
What, you busy or sumpthin?
Actually working at work. Weird, right?
I got a new client, and (get this): they have stuff for me to do. This is a new experience for me.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at April 10, 2013 10:44 AM (/PCJa)
Posted by: RWC at April 10, 2013 10:45 AM (fWAjv)
Posted by: GOP leadership at April 10, 2013 10:45 AM (F6KtL)
Someone connected with the legislative work of Republicans complained to me about this long ago-- either the Republicans simply don't recognize Judicial Interpretation Traps in the laws they write (or that Democrats insert), or they're doing it deliberately, to get the courts to do what they themselves want done but don't dare do themselves.
Two points: One, I'm uncertain as to who is actually writing these POS bills. OCare wasn't written by a congresscritter AFAIK, it was penned by some guy in prison at the time.
Two, DiFi made it clear in her otherwise rambling response to Ted Cruz about the 2nd Amendment that she and the rest of the Prog/Coms in Congress just write laws (without asking themselves whether they're Constitutional or not) and let the courts decide the details. This, to me, is a dereliction of their legislative duties to always write laws that are legal.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at April 10, 2013 10:45 AM (+z4pE)
FUCK YOU AL GORE!!!!!!
Posted by: © Sponge
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Hmm. I'm in AZ and it's expected to be 76 degrees.
Posted by: Tilikum the Killer Assault Whale at April 10, 2013 10:45 AM (uhftQ)
But Barky told me all of this gun legislatin' stuff was about common sense. He lied?
Posted by: Fritz at April 10, 2013 10:45 AM (UzPAd)
Just googled "ace of spades"
no returns for this site on the first FIVE fucking pages. Sounds like some funny business.
Looks like google doesn't like you anymore, ace
Posted by: Eaton Cox at April 10, 2013 02:40 PM (q177U)
Its the #1 result for me.
Posted by: Serious Cat at April 10, 2013 10:46 AM (UypUQ)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at April 10, 2013 02:44 PM (/PCJa)
woah....What's that like?
Posted by: © Sponge at April 10, 2013 10:46 AM (xmcEQ)
Posted by: BlueStateRebel at April 10, 2013 10:46 AM (7ObY1)
Posted by: rickb223 at April 10, 2013 02:42 PM (GFM2b)
First listing on Google too.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 10, 2013 10:46 AM (/WLC3)
USA 2013: Monsters like Kermitt Gosnell can run filthy, vile abortion clinics for years and murder unborn babies because he only uses a scalpel.
There is something really fucked up about this.
Posted by: mpfs, assault fishstick at April 10, 2013 10:46 AM (iYbLN)
Posted by: Tilikum the Killer Assault Whale at April 10, 2013 02:45 PM (uhftQ)
It's supposed to be 36 here tonight. 36!!!!!!! I want to cockpunch manbearpig, the asshole.
Posted by: © Sponge at April 10, 2013 10:47 AM (xmcEQ)
Posted by: rickb223 at April 10, 2013 10:47 AM (GFM2b)
Posted by: BlueStateRebel at April 10, 2013 10:47 AM (7ObY1)
woah....What's that like?
Fun, actually. At risk of sounding more geeky than normal, we're trying to figure out a way to create a truly enterprise-wide Publisher/Subscriber messaging system. (You'd be surprised at how many don't exist).
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at April 10, 2013 10:47 AM (/PCJa)
Posted by: Eaton Cox at April 10, 2013 10:47 AM (q177U)
As when Senator Rockefeller in WV complains that ObamaCare is going to suck because it's not being implemented right.
Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at April 10, 2013 10:47 AM (QTHTd)
Posted by: elizabethe at April 10, 2013 10:48 AM (qPCAa)
Posted by: Eaton Cox at April 10, 2013 10:48 AM (q177U)
I've said it before and I'll say it again: we already voted on the subject of gun control.The year was 1789, and the opinion was that gun control was bad. Full stop.
Unlike most science, this issue is fucking SETTLED.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at April 10, 2013 02:33 PM (4df7R)
Um... 'self censors for violent content'...
I saw what Linda Blair did in that Exorcist movie... with butter? That's just wrong.
Posted by: First headline of 2014 at April 10, 2013 10:48 AM (fwARV)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 10, 2013 10:48 AM (tqLft)
Posted by: Crying Man John at April 10, 2013 10:49 AM (sxq57)
Posted by: RWC at April 10, 2013 10:49 AM (fWAjv)
Posted by: Mainah at April 10, 2013 10:49 AM (659DL)
Posted by: NRA Forever! at April 10, 2013 10:49 AM (tjvRS)
Posted by: Eaton Cox
Still using a proaganda arm of the liberals to look crap up? Stop, just F'in stop.
Goverment is no longer 'by the people for the people, its "Do as we say or go to prison." and it needs to have a buttload of faceless bureaucrats writting laws by agency to cripple the country. The GOP is colluding to accomplish what the left wishes the country to become.
I for one am glad the NRA is saying "Hell no" to this craptastic peice of legislation.
Screw them, screw them all...
Posted by: Gmac - Waiting for the revolution at April 10, 2013 10:49 AM (IanLz)
Posted by: mpfs, assault fishstick at April 10, 2013 02:46 PM (iYbLN)
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.... was listening to the radio this morning and the topic was whether or not a law that prevented pet owners from putting their own cats or dogs down was a good idea. Un believable the amount of support that idea garnered.
Priorities...... how do they work?
Posted by: fixerupper at April 10, 2013 10:49 AM (nELVU)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Mmmm. Tea. at April 10, 2013 02:42 PM (VtjlW)
A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
I used to think that this was pretty clear, but I'm not as smart as the typical U.S. senator.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 10, 2013 10:49 AM (/WLC3)
Posted by: © Sponge
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I suggest a throat punch. Doing the other will release his chakra...
Posted by: Tilikum the Killer Assault Whale at April 10, 2013 10:49 AM (uhftQ)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 10, 2013 10:50 AM (tqLft)
"Universal Background Checks" ARE Universal Gun Registration.
This is not a "slippery slope" argument. This is not a "sin qua non" argument. Universal Background Checks are Universal Gun Registration. Unless, of course, you don't believe the Government is going to keep a record of every Gun Purchaser'sBackground Check.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at April 10, 2013 02:43 PM (/PCJa)
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If it wasn't a back-door gun registration act, then why the need for the make, model and serial number to be included in the form for the "background check?"
If I'm not a criminal, it doesn't matter what gun I'm trying to purchase, does it?
But if they want to create a database of who owns guns and what they own, then it does matter.
Posted by: RoyalOil at April 10, 2013 10:50 AM (VjL9S)
Posted by: rickl at April 10, 2013 10:50 AM (zoehZ)
Posted by: Gmac - Waiting for the revolution at April 10, 2013 10:50 AM (IanLz)
Posted by: [/i]akula51 at April 10, 2013 10:50 AM (Vgn84)
Posted by: ejo at April 10, 2013 10:50 AM (GXvSO)
Posted by: Lincolntf at April 10, 2013 10:50 AM (ZshNr)
Posted by: rickb223 at April 10, 2013 10:51 AM (GFM2b)
I suggest a throat punch. Doing the other will release his chakra...
Yeah, but if you use cestus (wrapping your hands in plaster, and embedding said plaster with shards of rock and such); you'll make sure it can never be released again.
And now back to working at work.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at April 10, 2013 10:51 AM (/PCJa)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 10, 2013 10:51 AM (tqLft)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 10, 2013 10:52 AM (tqLft)
Get your head out of your posterior Toomey. Our men didn't fight and half starve and die so you could take it up the bum by the fucking liberals.
Posted by: Gen. George Fucking Washington at April 10, 2013 10:52 AM (iYbLN)
You'll have to identify the gun you're buying? Is that true?
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at April 10, 2013 10:53 AM (8ZskC)
Posted by: Serious Cat at April 10, 2013 10:53 AM (UypUQ)
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Yep.... its RIGHT there. It about hunting with muskets. Its after the "right to an abotion'' but before the "right to a free smart phone".
Posted by: fixerupper at April 10, 2013 10:53 AM (nELVU)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile[/i][/b][/s] at April 10, 2013 10:53 AM (bxiXv)
Google doesn't do searches properly anymore. It "personalizes" your results by filling them with local garbage, detritus from your previous searches, and from your history of visited pages with Google-served ads on them, and from the texts of your emails and instant messages (if they pass through Google), and based on whether their camera cars saw you shaving your balls in the shower this morning or they think you're saving it for the weekend.
Do you live near a liquor- or whore-related business named Ace Of Spades? That'd mess up my results.
Posted by: oblig. at April 10, 2013 10:54 AM (cePv8)
Posted by: GOP leadership at April 10, 2013 10:54 AM (F6KtL)
Posted by: Total American at April 10, 2013 10:54 AM (R2X0v)
"you've written a law that's calculatedly insensible and unworkable, the courts really do have to come in and "fix" your "errors," "
Or, more likely, leaving it open to lefty bureaucrats to "fix" by "interpreting" the law in course of rule making.
Posted by: BigBallz at April 10, 2013 10:54 AM (8VPPr)
no awesome post, especially given your self-admittedly 'non gun nut" logic base...
they write WILLULLY bad internally self-contradictory law on purpose to enable law on the fly.
If there is a genuine latin term for purposefully bad crop involved PLEASE enlighten me Ace....
this is purposefully poisoned fruit.
Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at April 10, 2013 10:54 AM (LRFds)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 10, 2013 10:55 AM (tqLft)
Who does that?
Posted by: EC at April 10, 2013 10:55 AM (GQ8sn)
If it's close and Reid needs their votes, he'll lean hard on them to play ball. The end result is they lose their A rating from the NRA and give their opponent an issue to hammer them on if they vote to pass it.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at April 10, 2013 10:55 AM (SY2Kh)
Posted by: LGoPs at April 10, 2013 10:55 AM (4x8W0)
Posted by: oblig. at April 10, 2013 02:54 PM (cePv
Um...that IS Ace of Spades!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 10, 2013 10:55 AM (/WLC3)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at April 10, 2013 02:47 PM (/PCJa)
I got time on my hands I can take over posting for you 
.
Posted by: tsrblke at April 10, 2013 10:55 AM (GaqMa)
do what Id id to Voinovich after Bolton.....
"go ahead and spend your warchest buddy I'd vote for Stalin before you...Stalin was open about his intentions."
Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at April 10, 2013 10:56 AM (LRFds)
Posted by: Bertramwooster at April 10, 2013 10:57 AM (yi0Ik)
Screw the NRA. They never sent me my complimentary carry bag and sold my info to other solicitors.
That said, we shouldn't compromise on anything. The facts on our side .
Posted by: polynikes at April 10, 2013 10:57 AM (m2CN7)
Posted by: Truman North at April 10, 2013 10:57 AM (I2LwF)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at April 10, 2013 02:53 PM
When you purchase a gun from a dealer you are required to complete form 4473 which, among other things, lists the gun you are buying.
This is the sales record that you'll have to keep under this bill if you sell in a private transaction. For how long? Well, FFLs have to keep them and the bound book forever and make them available to the ATF and law enforcement whenever. This will have to be the case for the covered transactions under this arrangement as well.
Now then, is there an argument that, in the interest of being helpful, the ATF will allow private individuals to fill out a sales form electronically and keep it in their "account" at ATF.gov....? Sure there is, and we begin to see how quickly this whole thing will be abused.
Posted by: @JohnTant at April 10, 2013 10:58 AM (tVWQB)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 10, 2013 02:55 PM (tqLft)
Just visit Texas and buy one in a private sale. Somebody's grandmother is selling her late husband's guns.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 10, 2013 10:58 AM (/WLC3)
Posted by: elizabethe at April 10, 2013 10:58 AM (qPCAa)
FUCK YOU if you don't like it.
Posted by: © Sponge at April 10, 2013 10:58 AM (xmcEQ)
Posted by: GOP leadership at April 10, 2013 02:54 PM (F6KtL)
"But ONLY if they are fair-haired young tots, with names and Sears portrait photos --- who can no longer in any way be considered fetuses --- in an affluent* area. Those children are the only ones who matter!"
-GOP Strategists
*Affluent = predominantly white
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/u][/i][/b] at April 10, 2013 10:58 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: BlueStateRebel at April 10, 2013 10:58 AM (7ObY1)
The NRA has never had a problem expressing themselves with clarity before, but now we're led to believe that some un-named spokesperson says they are opposing Toomey's bill?
The NRA was in the fucking room when they were drafting this. If you read the NRA statement, they say a lot of things, but not one word that can be interpreted as "We oppose this bill".
I think CJ Ciaramella at the Washington Free Beacon and AllahPundit better back up and read this again. If they have a source at the NRA who opposes this, name them.
Political English motherfucker, do you speak it?
Posted by: jwest at April 10, 2013 10:58 AM (u2a4R)
I think there's some direction from OFA in there, too. I look for things I know were discussed here, or NRO, or the Des Moines fucking Register, and the first three pages of results are kos, thinkprogg, blogs erg would write if erg could write blogs, that sort of thing.
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at April 10, 2013 10:58 AM (/kI1Q)
Posted by: mugiwara at April 10, 2013 10:58 AM (Z6lKg)
Posted by: DangerGirl at April 10, 2013 10:59 AM (LP0Fj)
Posted by: tasker at April 10, 2013 10:59 AM (r2PLg)
I've taken a few oaths. One of which was to support and defend that piece of parchment (took it a few times).
Those oaths didn't have an expiration date. Freedom.
Posted by: tangonine at April 10, 2013 10:59 AM (x3YFz)
I don't get why there are republicans even talking about new gun laws.
Because they're Low Information Lawmakers and believe this to be very important
Posted by: Soothsayer at April 10, 2013 10:59 AM (9Q7Nu)
Posted by: tsrblke at April 10, 2013 02:55 PM (GaqMa)
It's easy. Make a good point occasionally, then pine about how you wish you had a blog that you could put relevant posts on that people could read n' stuff.
Posted by: © Sponge at April 10, 2013 10:59 AM (xmcEQ)
Posted by: Cicero (@cicero)
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100%
They get the gun make, model, and serial #.
Posted by: Tilikum the Killer Assault Whale at April 10, 2013 10:59 AM (uhftQ)
Posted by: Shoot Me
Yup. Buy us a bottle of cheap wine and we spread our legs or in this case our butt cheeks.
Posted by: mpfs, assault fishstick at April 10, 2013 11:00 AM (iYbLN)
Posted by: Truman North at April 10, 2013 02:57 PM (I2LwF)
Because the Big Meanies in the MFM and the Democratic Party keep saying that Republicans are EVIL and don't care about Dead Children! It hurts the Repubbies' feeeeeeeelings!
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/u][/i][/b] at April 10, 2013 11:00 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Serious Cat at April 10, 2013 11:01 AM (UypUQ)
Posted by: jwest at April 10, 2013 02:58 PM (u2a4R)
I thought you were voted squishy and we weren't listening to you anymore?
Posted by: © Sponge at April 10, 2013 11:01 AM (xmcEQ)
Sucking up to people who aren't ever going to vote them either way.
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at April 10, 2013 11:01 AM (/kI1Q)
shower this morning or they think you're saving it for the weekend.
Who does that?
Posted by: EC
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Exactly! I pluck mine.
Posted by: Tilikum the Killer Assault Whale at April 10, 2013 11:01 AM (uhftQ)
Posted by: elizabethe at April 10, 2013 11:02 AM (qPCAa)
This is the sales record that you'll have to keep under this bill if you sell in a private transaction. For how long? Well, FFLs have to keep them and the bound book forever and make them available to the ATF and law enforcement whenever.
Not quite forever, FFLs have to keep the records for 20 years though. And they do have to hand them over to the ATF if they go out of business.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at April 10, 2013 11:02 AM (SY2Kh)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile[/i][/b][/s] at April 10, 2013 11:02 AM (bxiXv)
They get the gun make, model, and serial #.
Posted by: Tilikum the Killer Assault Whale at April 10, 2013 02:59 PM (uhftQ)
ATF has been doing this for years. I have 7 or so handguns I purchased new with 1 shell casing indicating that this weapon had been fired in some FBI lab and the barrel signature had been recorded. This goes back to... (thinking)... 2002?
Posted by: tangonine at April 10, 2013 11:03 AM (x3YFz)
God bless America!
Posted by: Total American at April 10, 2013 02:54 PM (R2X0v)
How about the murder of millions of potential daughters in defense of a non existent constitutional right of Choice.
Total illogical asshole.
Posted by: polynikes at April 10, 2013 11:03 AM (m2CN7)
I thought you were voted squishy and we weren't listening to you anymore?
I was told to stick my fingers in my ears and go la la la la la la la la...
Posted by: Soothsayer at April 10, 2013 11:03 AM (9Q7Nu)
Posted by: Serious Cat at April 10, 2013 03:01 PM (UypUQ)
They should just force it to be managed by the VA. That'll keep it out of public record for eternity.
Posted by: © Sponge at April 10, 2013 11:03 AM (xmcEQ)
Posted by: BlueStateRebel at April 10, 2013 11:03 AM (7ObY1)
Posted by: rickb223 at April 10, 2013 11:04 AM (GFM2b)
Oh, that could never be.
Posted by: the EPA at April 10, 2013 11:04 AM (mGBy8)
Posted by: Tilikum the Killer Assault Whale at April 10, 2013 02:59 PM (uhftQ)
ATF has been doing this for years. I have 7 or so handguns I purchased new with 1 shell casing indicating that this weapon had been fired in some FBI lab and the barrel signature had been recorded. This goes back to... (thinking)... 2002?
Posted by: tangonine
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Wow. The closest I got to that was a Ruger 22/45 where they included the test casing fired by the inspector.
Posted by: Tilikum the Killer Assault Whale at April 10, 2013 11:05 AM (uhftQ)
Posted by: Total American at April 10, 2013 02:54 PM (R2X0v)
dumbest fucking shit I've read today.
Posted by: tangonine at April 10, 2013 11:05 AM (x3YFz)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile[/i][/b][/s] at April 10, 2013 11:05 AM (bxiXv)
Posted by: Truman North at April 10, 2013 11:05 AM (vfrk4)
George Mason
Co-author of the Second Amendment
during Virginia's Convention to Ratify the Constitution, 1788
'nuf said.
Posted by: mpfs, assault fishstick at April 10, 2013 11:05 AM (iYbLN)
Totally simple.
Posted by: elizabethe at April 10, 2013 02:58 PM (qPCAa)
But showing an ID to vote? That's an undue burden.
Posted by: First headline of 2014 at April 10, 2013 11:05 AM (fwARV)
"uh no"
//Bing
of course how fucked a world is it when Microshaft is the lesser evil?
Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at April 10, 2013 11:05 AM (LRFds)
Posted by: RWC at April 10, 2013 11:06 AM (fWAjv)
Former VP Dick Cheney will address members of the RNC on Thursday at a luncheon.
Smite them Dick!
Posted by: Tami[/i] at April 10, 2013 11:06 AM (X6akg)
Posted by: tangonine at April 10, 2013 03:05 PM (x3YFz)
Average Joe sucks cock by choice.
Posted by: © Sponge at April 10, 2013 11:06 AM (xmcEQ)
Posted by: Truman North at April 10, 2013 02:57 PM (I2LwF)
Too many of them must watch CNN, which apparently is going full retard (beyond Piers Organ) and doing a whole "americans want background checks why can't they get them." special tonight.
Posted by: tsrblke at April 10, 2013 11:06 AM (GaqMa)
The NRA has never had a problem expressing themselves with clarity before, but now we're led to believe that some un-named spokesperson says they are opposing Toomey's bill?
The NRA was in the fucking room when they were drafting this. If you read the NRA statement, they say a lot of things, but not one word that can be interpreted as "We oppose this bill".
I think CJ Ciaramella at the Washington Free Beacon and AllahPundit better back up and read this again. If they have a source at the NRA who opposes this, name them.
Political English motherfucker, do you speak it?
Posted by: jwest at April 10, 2013 02:58 PM
Yeah, it's only on the NRA/ILA website. Why wouldn't we question its authenticity?!
http:\\tinyurl.com\dxdowja
So the NRA is clearly against this. Wayne LaPierre, who is no stranger to political knife fights, doesn't think this is such a great thing. Then there's you, faceless concern troll on the Internet.
I know who I'm going with.
Posted by: @JohnTant at April 10, 2013 11:07 AM (tVWQB)
Posted by: © Sponge at April 10, 2013 03:03 PM (xmcEQ)
Or the University of Nebraska at Omaha. It can sit right next to Chuck Hagel's unarchived records and correspondence.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/u][/i][/b] at April 10, 2013 11:07 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: BlueStateRebel at April 10, 2013 03:03 PM (7ObY1)
you guys still use google? I laugh every time I ask for an e-mail addy and they give me: idiot@gmail.com
Drop $15 a year, host a ghost site and get your own addy.
dumbasses.
Posted by: tangonine at April 10, 2013 11:07 AM (x3YFz)
Where are men like this today?
"Firearms stand next in importance to the constitution itself. They
are the American people's liberty teeth and keystone under independence Â…
from the hour the Pilgrims landed to the present day, events, occurrences and tendencies prove that to ensure peace security and
happiness, the rifle and pistol are equally indispensable Â… the very
atmosphere of firearms anywhere restrains evil interference — they
deserve a place of honor with all that's good."
George Washington
First President of the United States
Posted by: mpfs, assault fishstick at April 10, 2013 11:08 AM (iYbLN)
Screw the NRA. They never sent me my complimentary carry bag and sold my info to other solicitors
I didn't re-up my membership after they endorsed Hairy Reid.
Posted by: Infidel at April 10, 2013 11:09 AM (O/fK8)
Posted by: elizabethe at April 10, 2013 11:09 AM (qPCAa)
Posted by: © Sponge at April 10, 2013 02:47 PM (xmcEQ)
---------------------------------------------
A hard prolonged freeze is predicted for much of OK tonight. It's going to kill the rest of the wheat that wasn't killed last week.
That's going to be a factor later on prices at the grocery store.
Posted by: Soona at April 10, 2013 11:09 AM (01pgO)
Posted by: � Sponge at April 10, 2013 03:06 PM (xmcEQ)
No chance of me missing the /sarc tag on that one.
I'll bet he has a "punch me" face.
Posted by: tangonine at April 10, 2013 11:10 AM (x3YFz)
Posted by: Gaff at April 10, 2013 11:10 AM (jPS2y)
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at April 10, 2013 11:10 AM (ZPrif)
It was fired at the factory, with the test shell provided for possible later transfer to the State of the first retail sale.
The case requirement is a STATE law requirement. . I think for new handguns to be sold in MD. It has nothing to do with Federal law and doesn't apply in most of the country.
IIRC, the State has spent $millions archiving these spent shells, but never actually used even one to solve a crime.
Posted by: looking closely at April 10, 2013 11:11 AM (6Q9g2)
Guess who?
"If you wish the sympathy of the broad masses, you must tell them the crudest and most stupid things."
"This year will go down in history. For the first time, a
civilized nation has full gun registration. Our streets will be safer,
our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the
future!"
Adolph Hitler
Chancellor, Germany, 1933
Posted by: mpfs, assault fishstick at April 10, 2013 11:12 AM (iYbLN)
NNNOOOOOOO!
That's it, it's time to ban the NRA and jail its entire membership for being terrorists!
Posted by: Proud to be a Liberal Democrat! at April 10, 2013 11:12 AM (YYJjz)
Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at April 10, 2013 11:12 AM (wR+pz)
And a huge waste of time and money.
Put a few thousand rounds through those pistols and the impressions on the cases and bullets will be different.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 10, 2013 11:13 AM (/WLC3)
Tim to start working locally to turn your own state GOP around. That's the path to the heart of the national GOP.
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Like I said, they move on this and I'm drafting up a resolution and calling for it's adoption by calling for a special executive committee meeting.
Either the Republican Party Platform means something and the elected Republicans ought to be held to it or it means nothing. But in no way should the cart (Toomey) be leading the horse and be allowed to ignore the platform.
Posted by: RoyalOil at April 10, 2013 11:13 AM (VjL9S)
Posted by: Waldo Truth at April 10, 2013 11:13 AM (R+vYs)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile[/i][/b][/s] at April 10, 2013 11:14 AM (bxiXv)
Posted by: Soona at April 10, 2013 11:14 AM (01pgO)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at April 10, 2013 11:14 AM (GVxQo)
Posted by: rickl at April 10, 2013 11:14 AM (zoehZ)
Posted by: EC
***
Exactly! I pluck mine. Posted by: Tilikum the Killer Assault Whale
Laser, dude!
Posted by: EC at April 10, 2013 11:14 AM (GQ8sn)
we can't give into any gun control plans no matter how mild they seem to be.......
THIS^^ No matter what.
Posted by: Infidel at April 10, 2013 11:15 AM (O/fK8)
we can't give into any gun control plans no matter how mild they seem to be.......
Hill. To. Die. On.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/u][/i][/b] at April 10, 2013 11:15 AM (4df7R)
First your IVF is covered (being gay is a disease for insurance purposes only), then your abortion is (because being pregnant is a disease).
Twisted.
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at April 10, 2013 11:15 AM (/kI1Q)
And it's not like you can't buy a new barrel later on.
Posted by: EC at April 10, 2013 11:15 AM (GQ8sn)
Posted by: zsasz at April 10, 2013 11:15 AM (GzU1I)
Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at April 10, 2013 11:15 AM (wR+pz)
DeMint: cut and ran
Rubio: amnesty dupe
Paul: amnesty dupe, Ron Paul lite
Ryan: too nice
Cruz: no executive experience; rolled by Shrillary at hearing
I guess that leaves nobody in the acceptable category.
Posted by: pep at April 10, 2013 11:16 AM (YXmuI)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile[/i][/b][/s] at April 10, 2013 11:16 AM (bxiXv)
Oh, and Toomey refused to go on that stage if Schumer was going to be there.
In the words of Cam Edwards: When you won't stand with your co-sponsor, that tells me everything I need to know about your bill.
Posted by: @JohnTant at April 10, 2013 11:16 AM (tVWQB)
Yep, they're supporting the bill alright.
Expanding background checks at gun shows will not prevent the next shooting, will not solve violent crime and will not keep our kids safe in schools. While the overwhelming rejection of President Obama and Mayor Bloomberg's "universal" background check agenda is a positive development, we have a broken mental health system that is not going to be fixed with more background checks at gun shows. The sad truth is that no background check would have prevented the tragedies in Newtown, Aurora or Tucson. We need a serious and meaningful solution that addresses crime in cities like Chicago, addresses mental health deficiencies, while at the same time protecting the rights of those of us who are not a danger to anyone. President Obama should be as committed to dealing with the gang problem that is tormenting honest people in his hometown as he is to blaming law-abiding gun owners for the acts of psychopathic murderers.
Damn NRA and their RINO actions.....
Posted by: © Sponge at April 10, 2013 11:17 AM (xmcEQ)
"I tell you what. I'm absolutely serious. If my two daughters were murdered by a random shooting, I would be proud that they gave their lives in defense of our Second Amendment freedoms.
God bless America!"
Aw, please.
Everyone knows your two daughters are more likely (and predisposed) to die of an infection obtained while legs up in the stirrups and turning your grandkids into puree in a Planned Parenthood suck and chuck clinic. Their commitment to the emanatory penumbra of the God given right to privacy is inspiring.
God bless Margaret Sanger and go fuck yourself. Seriously.
Posted by: Jaws at April 10, 2013 11:17 AM (4I3Uo)
Not only is he giving cover to every red-state Democrat up in 2014, but he is in bed with the duplicitous Joe Manchin, playing the little boy-toy.
Posted by: Adjoran at April 10, 2013 11:18 AM (9uOra)
NSS was written by my friend Brandon Webb and Glen Doherty. Now, we lost Glen in Benghazi and it was a tough time for us all. But we pressed on. Glen was all over this book. I'll share this: Glen had been out biking and got hit by a car. Broke his arm. He was recovering when he got sent to Libya.
We shared e-mails, last time I talked with him was a week prior to his death. You couldn't meet a happier guy. Just typing this out crushes my heart.
I want to be as good a man as he was and I'm 10 years his senior.
So Brandon and I pressed on and published the book with the help of John Mann (invaluable). It's not a book you put on a shelf, it's a book you put on a coffee table. And Chris K provided the foreword, that story tells itself.
I'm humbled to be in the company of these fine men. The finest warriors produced by a nation that produces the finest warriors.
Posted by: tangonine at April 10, 2013 11:18 AM (x3YFz)
Because the left NEVER negotiates in good faith, and every concession they wring from the right is one more step towards their end goal.
If ever there was a hill to die on, it's this one.
Posted by: First headline of 2014 at April 10, 2013 11:18 AM (fwARV)
civilized nation has full gun registration. Our streets will be safer,
our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the
future!"
Adolph Hitler
Chancellor, Germany, 1933
Posted by: mpfs, assault fishstick at April 10, 2013 03:12 PM (iYbLN)
You know, someone with an assault Twitter account could start circulating that little quote out there, either with no attribution or mis-attributed to Bammy or some other muckity-muck of the lefties, for consumption to the mouthbreathing masses. Maybe tweet it to OFA, Obammy and his wookie, some of the more "progressive" organizations. Dollars to donuts not a damn one among them would know who said it, and Benjamins to Bitcoins their sycophantic little followers would start tweeting it around like mad.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/u][/i][/b] at April 10, 2013 11:18 AM (4df7R)
Amen they cave on this most especially the house we need to not "recreate '68" like the Occutards bray on about we need to "hit the floor like 74"
Push Thelma's foot DOWN on the gas pedal.
Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at April 10, 2013 11:19 AM (LRFds)
Posted by: Truman North at April 10, 2013 11:19 AM (I2LwF)
Posted by: Truman North at April 10, 2013 11:19 AM (I2LwF)
The case requirement is a STATE law requirement. . I think for new handguns to be sold in MD. It has nothing to do with Federal law and doesn't apply in most of the country.
IIRC, the State has spent $millions archiving these spent shells, but never actually used even one to solve a crime.
Posted by: looking closely
***
Change barrel, use a brass catcher. Problem solved.
Posted by: Tilikum the Killer Assault Whale at April 10, 2013 11:20 AM (uhftQ)
Posted by: Stienhofer Jones at April 10, 2013 11:20 AM (IkHXL)
Holy crap. I fill out a form, they make a call, I walk out with my firearm and as much ammo as I can carry. Takes about 1-1/2 hours, - if I know what I want. Rifle or handgun.
Posted by: Fritz at April 10, 2013 11:20 AM (WM+rJ)
Damn NRA and their RINO actions.....
Posted by: © Sponge at April 10, 2013 03:17 PM (xmcEQ)
Sponge, if you've got something from the NRA that says "we oppose this bill" then post it.
Posted by: jwest at April 10, 2013 11:20 AM (u2a4R)
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Pirate Scum of Umbar at April 10, 2013 11:20 AM (hLRSq)
Wait... theres language in here that talks about TAXABLE sale or loss...
Which means it must be reported to the IRS? Ergo, the IRS will have a record of gun sales???
Just like Obamacare being used to get futher into our financial records... will this be the Gun Registration Database? Especialy as the IRS is now going onto people FACEBOOK pages?
Posted by: Duh Senate at April 10, 2013 11:20 AM (lZBBB)
Posted by: mpfs, assault fishstick at April 10, 2013 03:12 PM (iYbLN)
You know, someone with an assault Twitter account could start circulating that little quote out there, either with no attribution or mis-attributed to Bammy or some other muckity-muck of the lefties, for consumption to the mouthbreathing masses. Maybe tweet it to OFA, Obammy and his wookie, some of the more "progressive" organizations. Dollars to donuts not a damn one among them would know who said it, and Benjamins to Bitcoins their sycophantic little followers would start tweeting it around like mad.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit
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Bad idea. It's bogus. Hitler never said it.
Posted by: Tilikum the Killer Assault Whale at April 10, 2013 11:21 AM (uhftQ)
Finally!
I hereby declare that any media cycle that doesn't mention me is officially "homophobic" and prohibited.
Posted by: the Gay Agenda - All Me. All the Time at April 10, 2013 11:21 AM (EZl54)
Posted by: Steve Jobs at April 10, 2013 11:22 AM (e8kgV)
Posted by: tangonine at April 10, 2013 03:18 PM (x3YFz)
Seriously?
I'm not worthy.......
(no sarc intended, either)
Posted by: © Sponge at April 10, 2013 11:22 AM (xmcEQ)
I walk in, pick the bang stick I wish to purchase, fill out the 4473, show my DL and CCW. Go home with bang stick of my choice.
Last step is figuring out how to shoehorn new bang stick into already packed gun safe.
Posted by: AZ Hi Desert (All my Hate cannot be found) at April 10, 2013 11:23 AM (p3KJP)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile[/i][/b][/s] at April 10, 2013 11:23 AM (bxiXv)
Posted by: mare at April 10, 2013 11:24 AM (A98Xu)
16 If I hear ONE person on our side say that this "is not the hill to die on," or any variation thereof, I willl *self censors for violent content* with butter! TWICE!
This is not the hill to die on; this is the hill to drink cocktails on.
The hill to die on is two ridges to the west.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - Pirate Scum of Umbar at April 10, 2013 11:24 AM (hLRSq)
http://tinyurl.com/3w9nvlr
I'm convinced this guy is a moron. I try and listen to him as often as I can, he's more real than rush in my book.
Posted by: Caustic at April 10, 2013 11:24 AM (/b8+5)
Salon lied...
hard to believe but I mean there it is...
Hitler said similar things since in "nazi vision" the Jews were just rampaging all the time...
I am just about to the point I hate the left more than the Radical Muslims
Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at April 10, 2013 11:24 AM (LRFds)
-Ayn Rand
Posted by: T. Hunter at April 10, 2013 11:25 AM (EZl54)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at April 10, 2013 11:25 AM (GVxQo)
Posted by: jwest at April 10, 2013 03:20 PM (u2a4R)
So, you read that statement and think that they're behind it and will support it's passing?
Posted by: © Sponge at April 10, 2013 11:25 AM (xmcEQ)
Posted by: If Republicans were in the Rev War at April 10, 2013 11:26 AM (lZBBB)
(no sarc intended, either)
Posted by: � Sponge at April 10, 2013 03:22 PM (xmcEQ)
Nor am I. I have coin in my wallet. has the SEAL eagle/anchor/pistol/trident. "In memory of our lost brothers" it reads.
I'm unworthy to have it in my possession.
Posted by: tangonine at April 10, 2013 11:26 AM (x3YFz)
Posted by: thunderb at April 10, 2013 11:26 AM (Zp4Vk)
Posted by: tasker at April 10, 2013 11:26 AM (r2PLg)
Posted by: Caustic at April 10, 2013 11:27 AM (/b8+5)
Posted by: ejo at April 10, 2013 11:27 AM (GXvSO)
Posted by: tasker at April 10, 2013 11:27 AM (r2PLg)
Salon lied...
hard to believe but I mean there it is...
Hitler said similar things since in "nazi vision" the Jews were just rampaging all the time...
I am just about to the point I hate the left more than the Radical Muslims
Posted by: sven10077
***
We kick the crap out of the left and we can deal with the radical muslims the way we should have.
Posted by: Tilikum the Killer Assault Whale at April 10, 2013 11:27 AM (uhftQ)
according to GOA, the NRA's lobbying on behalf of gun rights has an uncanny knack of being behind a lot of anti-2nd Amendment legislation
Posted by: Soothsayer at April 10, 2013 11:27 AM (9Q7Nu)
The simple fact that we are reduced to guessing is an example of just how boned we are.
Posted by: EC at April 10, 2013 11:28 AM (GQ8sn)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 10, 2013 11:28 AM (tqLft)
I am discussing the 1938 law's rhetorical base and aknowledging the liberalization of restrictions on "Govt approved groups" ie "the Not Jews"
Think about it Mero if anything the reality is more horrifying They passed an uneven before law bill to fuck one group
Everytime I see or read 'equal justice under law' in this nation it pisses me off more and more...
in nazi germany I would have blown my brains out.,
Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at April 10, 2013 11:28 AM (LRFds)
Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at April 10, 2013 11:29 AM (QF8uk)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at April 10, 2013 11:29 AM (GVxQo)
Posted by: Soona at April 10, 2013 11:29 AM (01pgO)
Posted by: tasker at April 10, 2013 11:29 AM (r2PLg)
in nazi germany I would have blown my brains out.,
Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at April 10, 2013 03:28 PM (LRFds)
No you wouldn't, they would have taken your gun, sillly
Posted by: Caustic at April 10, 2013 11:29 AM (/b8+5)
Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 10, 2013 11:30 AM (n/KHD)
Last step is figuring out how to shoehorn new bang stick into already packed gun safe.
Posted by: AZ Hi Desert (All my Hate cannot be found) at April 10, 2013 03:23 PM (p3KJP)
OK so I'm not the only one with a full sized safe who stands back and says "we're going to need more room?" I need 2 more.
Posted by: tangonine at April 10, 2013 11:30 AM (x3YFz)
Posted by: Lincolntf at April 10, 2013 11:30 AM (ZshNr)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at April 10, 2013 11:30 AM (GVxQo)
no they wouldn't have...I'm not a Jew I am Anglo-Tuetonic...
my Mom's family are Kruppianer from Essen by ancestry....
No I would have blown my brains out.
Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at April 10, 2013 11:31 AM (LRFds)
meet the asphalt you hit when you fell off the turnip truck
Posted by: phoenixgirl at April 10, 2013 03:30 PM (GVxQo)
megyn go back to eating and giving your vapid opinion.
Posted by: Caustic at April 10, 2013 11:31 AM (/b8+5)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at April 10, 2013 11:32 AM (GVxQo)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 10, 2013 11:32 AM (tqLft)
Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 10, 2013 03:30 PM (n/KHD)
Good luck with that....
Posted by: BCochran1981 at April 10, 2013 11:32 AM (da5Wo)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at April 10, 2013 11:33 AM (GVxQo)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile[/i][/b][/s] at April 10, 2013 11:33 AM (bxiXv)
Fucked, we is.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 10, 2013 03:32 PM (tqLft)
they're going to be genuinely shocked when the pitchfork/torches crew shows up and reminds them they're mortal.
Posted by: tangonine at April 10, 2013 11:33 AM (x3YFz)
You know a real honest to goodness Obama voting dem told me today that "all these bills, (obamacare, immigration, gun control) are glorified bills to tax us to bring down the deficit. This is why he's all for them even if they take away constitutional rights cause he doesn't want the country to crash. He honestly said this to a big group at lunch.
Posted by: Caustic at April 10, 2013 11:33 AM (/b8+5)
Which means it must be reported to the IRS? Ergo, the IRS will have a record of gun sales???
Just like Obamacare being used to get futher into our financial records... will this be the Gun Registration Database? Especialy as the IRS is now going onto people FACEBOOK pages?
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Why do you think I keep calling John Roberts the Piss-Yellow Coward?
Because that ruling justifies any--ANY--infringement on a Constitutional right as long as it's dressed as a tax.
The left knows that.
They could give a shit less about Obamacare at this point.
They have Supreme Court precedent and authority that says any law that is administered in any way by the IRS is constitutional no matter what other constitutional rights it infringes upon.
Why do you think they specifically included the IRS in this bill?
As that worthless piece of shit Roberts said, "You are free to refuse to buy health insurance, you are not free, however, to refuse to pay the tax."
Which also is precedent for "You are free to refuse to register your gun, you are not free, however, to refuse to pay the tax."
I know some of you said that ruling wasn't all that bad, and some of you chided me for saying it was worse than the Dredd Scott ruling.
Whatever. Hope in one hand and shit in the other.
Posted by: RoyalOil at April 10, 2013 11:35 AM (VjL9S)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 10, 2013 11:35 AM (tqLft)
So, you read that statement and think that they're behind it and will support it's passing?
Posted by: © Sponge at April 10, 2013 03:25 PM (xmcEQ)
Over years of reading statements from the NRA and listening to Wayne Lapierre, I've never once had to wonder what their position is. They are consistent when opposing something to state unequivically "the NRA opposes (whatever it is) and urges it's members and supporters to contact their representatives to voice their concerns."
This statement is consistent with Lapierre's position that background checks aren't going to stop any killings, but the NRA stopped short of opposing in a way that they would be questioned as to why Toomey's totally harmless bill is bad for america.
The statement gives the NRA the wiggle room so that Lapierre and others don't move from the "stubborn" catagory to full blown lunatic.
I would have hoped that others who spend time on political blogs would recognize the attributes of a political non-statement statement.
Posted by: jwest at April 10, 2013 11:35 AM (u2a4R)
Posted by: Mr Pink at April 10, 2013 11:35 AM (iu8Gq)
Just googled "ace of spades"
no returns for this site on the first FIVE fucking pages. Sounds like some funny business.
Looks like google doesn't like you anymore, ace
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"He has a death sentence on him in twelve systems."
Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at April 10, 2013 11:36 AM (Z5KPR)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 10, 2013 11:36 AM (tqLft)
And I put the cocksucking line breaks into that comment.
If you want them, go find Pixy and get them.
Posted by: jwest at April 10, 2013 11:36 AM (u2a4R)
It's okay...
I'm 40 I have probably posted ~180,000 posts here....
I have been online since the early days of the net...
if I am blessed enough to have descendants they can touch my soul if the net really is written in ink.
This is my little portion of the wailing wall of cybersapce I guess or a note from a Chinaman backwards in a grave...
I am "sven" I was born in 1972 to a nation trying to heal from jim Crow, I was in a divorced family I went to Canada and was loved, I came home and embraced the notion of equality.
I had friends of every hue, and was far more worried about us having a better America for tomorrow than what the wrapper carrying the American's heart looked like.
I failed because I was never a tenth as ruthless to American communists as i was raised to be with Soviet.
I'm sorry.
Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at April 10, 2013 11:36 AM (LRFds)
Posted by: RWC at April 10, 2013 11:36 AM (fWAjv)
Posted by: tangonine at April 10, 2013 11:37 AM (x3YFz)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 10, 2013 03:35 PM (tqLft)
He was trying to get everyone to sign up for the obama for america site or whatever the name is and to work towards getting the immigration and gun control bills passed. Sadly, he was highly persuasive.
Posted by: Caustic at April 10, 2013 11:37 AM (/b8+5)
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at April 10, 2013 11:38 AM (/kI1Q)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 10, 2013 11:38 AM (tqLft)
Posted by: jwest at April 10, 2013 03:35 PM
Yes, because Allahpundit and Ace are just political babes in the woods.
You know...when you start thinking everyone else is whacked out and stupid - ODDS ARE IT'S YOU.
Posted by: @JohnTant at April 10, 2013 11:39 AM (tVWQB)
Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 10, 2013 03:30 PM (n/KHD)
mpfs is female too?!
We need avatars. Boobehs for the ladies, some other form of boobehs for the morons.
Posted by: First headline of 2014 at April 10, 2013 11:39 AM (fwARV)
Ace was really into the Weiner thing 2 years ago -- like a dog with a bone.
I wonder if he's gonna go All Weiner on us again.
Posted by: Soothsayer at April 10, 2013 11:39 AM (9Q7Nu)
I've been playing it for 21...
ordinarily the game is "cite it Sven you're spreading the myth"...
no I'm spreading the reality...
Adolf Hitler isolated an "other" weaponized distrust into rage, disarmed said group while allowing isolated micro violence against them and then one day "lost" 6 million to 12 million people....
that put a scar on my Maternal family's pride in the people they left behind at the turn of the 20th century.
I can't say I disagree.
Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at April 10, 2013 11:39 AM (LRFds)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile[/i][/b][/s] at April 10, 2013 11:39 AM (bxiXv)
Until the NRA formally announces that they will score a vote in favor of this bill negatively on their "legislative scorecard" (they have one just like Club For Growth does, you bet your ass politicians pay attention to it), their opposition is just for show.
You need to understand, a lot of what goes on here with these organization making statements is Kabuki theater. If the NRA says they're scoring this vote, however? Then you know they're REALLY opposed, and not just making certain noises to keep their members happy.
Note that this has nothing whatsoever to do with whether this bill is good or bad policy. I actually haven't even read the fine print on it but my default position is "bad."
Posted by: Jeff B. at April 10, 2013 11:39 AM (/Rmj0)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 10, 2013 11:40 AM (tqLft)
Posted by: tasker at April 10, 2013 11:40 AM (r2PLg)
"they're going to be genuinely shocked when the pitchfork/torches crew shows up and reminds them they're mortal."
Not that I wouldn't find it both helpful and entertaining, but I'll believe in modern America storming the castle when I actually see it. Right now, they're too busy watching DWTS and getting fatter.
Posted by: Jaws at April 10, 2013 11:40 AM (4I3Uo)
Where have you been?
We need avatars. Boobehs for the ladies, some other form of boobehs for the morons.
+1 on the boobehs for the ettes. The morons can get that old pic of the 'moron' wearing the safety helmet.
Posted by: EC at April 10, 2013 11:41 AM (GQ8sn)
If I wanted to wrest total control of this country, I would recruit smart, Ivy League true believers who would sign up for internships in Congress, getting them into all sorts of offices. Why, I would even trust them on how to record private conversations in a surreptitious manner, as well as making copies of any communications that could be used to embarrass said Congressmen and Senators.
I am serious about the blackmail suspicions I had this morning. Your bringing up Bolton reminded me that his excuse for not voting him out of committee was really weak and was accompanied by crying and mentions of his family. I always thought that whole deal was fishy. I notice he retired before the next election.
12 GOP senators are supposed to dine with Obama tonight. I will bet cash money that every centerpiece and oil painting is bugged to catch any remarks that can be used against them.
I wouldn't even go eat with the creep, but I suppose they have to.
Posted by: Miss Marple at April 10, 2013 11:41 AM (GoIUi)
jwest is not a concern troll, you ninnies
you goddam concern troll hunters are a joke
anyone who strays off the plantation = concern troll!
Posted by: Soothsayer at April 10, 2013 11:41 AM (9Q7Nu)
But again: until and unless they do that, everyone on Capitol Hill knows the score: they HAVE to publicly say they're opposed, but they're not really pushing their opposition in any way.
Posted by: Jeff B. at April 10, 2013 11:41 AM (/Rmj0)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at April 10, 2013 11:42 AM (tqLft)
Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at April 10, 2013 03:36 PM (LRFds)
Never say that again.
Brother, here we stand. Now. Can't go back, so let's press.
Posted by: tangonine at April 10, 2013 11:42 AM (x3YFz)
I did call him out. I used everything I've learned here and then some. But you know people said stuff like "this is America, they can't do anything to the Constitution, you are just letting the republican fear mongers get to you". I was so proud of myself and yet I didn't make a dent. I don't understand how people are so convinced that none of their rights will be taken from them, how did the dems manage to make people stop thinking.
Posted by: Caustic at April 10, 2013 11:43 AM (/b8+5)
Posted by: tasker at April 10, 2013 11:43 AM (r2PLg)
When will the NRA oppose Toomey/Manchin?
When will LaPierre go out on the newswires and say,
"Hey, we endorsed these two, because they pledged Second Amendment support, but they snookered us. They both went back on their promises. So we're withdrawing NRA's endorsements with immediate and permanent effect. And we'll endorse different candidates for both seats next cycle, including at the primary stage."
Oh. Forgive me. This will happen right after never.
NRA delenda est.
Anyone who was paying attention got out of NRA when they backed Harry Reid. They've become just another band of accommodationist Beltway buddies.
Want your donation dollars to support a Second Amendment advocacy organization which harbors no illusions and makes far fewer mistakes? Join GOA instead. That's Gee Oh Ay.
Posted by: torquewrench at April 10, 2013 11:43 AM (gqT4g)
Posted by: RWC at April 10, 2013 11:43 AM (fWAjv)
Posted by: Jeff B. at April 10, 2013 03:39 PM
It's hard to score a vote or get people to call for specific opposition when there's no bill and no language to point to and oppose.
jwest is trying to rewrite the NRA's plain language statement into something it's not.
Posted by: @JohnTant at April 10, 2013 11:43 AM (tVWQB)
you goddam concern troll hunters are a joke
anyone who strays off the plantation = concern troll!
Posted by: Soothsayer at April 10, 2013 03:41 PM (9Q7Nu)
Concern Troll!!!!!11!!
Posted by: BCochran1981 at April 10, 2013 11:43 AM (da5Wo)
Posted by: Jones in CO at April 10, 2013 11:44 AM (8sCoq)
No he's not a concern troll...
He;s a kevorkian wing GOPer not that I thought such a fucking thing existed.
Duly noted Soooth, duly noted...
Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at April 10, 2013 11:44 AM (LRFds)
Then the world is too cruel and harsh a place for such a one as delicate as you.
Seriously, as long as human being remain human beings in association with one another, there will be politics. And as long as there is politics, there will be what you consider 'games.' Getting sick of it is like getting sick of the seasons changing, or getting sick of the sun rising. It's inevitable.
Posted by: Jeff B. at April 10, 2013 11:44 AM (/Rmj0)
How about you first read their statement before accusing them of ambiguity?
It's on the front page of the NRA/ILA site. There's nothing ambiguous about it.
Then be a man and admit you were wrong.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at April 10, 2013 11:45 AM (SY2Kh)
One of the WH reporters needs to ask Jay Carney if the president has read teh Bowdoin report and if he has any comments on it.
Posted by: Serious Cat at April 10, 2013 11:45 AM (UypUQ)
Which is why they ought to be very fucking deliberative to pass any new laws at all. But then again, I am a small govt conservative.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 10, 2013 11:46 AM (mKNJE)
I dunno if it would go on their website, but they would definitely have a spokesmen go out there and make a public statement. It would be reported in all the usual places like POLITICO, etc. I haven't seen anything like that yet, just the standard kabuki "this is a bad idea and we're opposed to it!" stuff which is mere tribe-signaling and doesn't constitute actual substantive opposition.
Posted by: Jeff B. at April 10, 2013 11:46 AM (/Rmj0)
Posted by: tangonine
***
I just put them in my bed. Makes rolling over a bit painful tho.
Posted by: Tilikum the Killer Assault Whale at April 10, 2013 11:46 AM (uhftQ)
Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at April 10, 2013 11:46 AM (Z5KPR)
Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 10, 2013 11:46 AM (n/KHD)
Posted by: Caustic at April 10, 2013 11:48 AM (/b8+5)
Then the world is too cruel and harsh a place for such a one as delicate as you.
Seriously, as long as human being remain human beings in association with one another, there will be politics. And as long as there is politics, there will be what you consider 'games.' Getting sick of it is like getting sick of the seasons changing, or getting sick of the sun rising. It's inevitable.
Posted by: Jeff B. at April 10, 2013 03:44 PM (/Rmj0)
excellently put Jeff. Life and politics is rife with deception, nuance, manipulation. We're human. Shit, we do it with our spouses, kids and our friends. It's in our nature. It's what we do on all levels.
Play the game or GTFO. Big kid ball: play it or stfu.
Posted by: tangonine at April 10, 2013 11:48 AM (x3YFz)
Posted by: EC at April 10, 2013 03:41 PM (GQ8sn)
Maybe I just don't do well with social cues... Hm...
Posted by: First headline of 2014 at April 10, 2013 11:48 AM (fwARV)
Posted by: Soothsayer
***
A tickle in the back of your throat? /
Posted by: Tilikum the Killer Assault Whale at April 10, 2013 11:48 AM (uhftQ)
Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 10, 2013 11:49 AM (n/KHD)
Posted by: BCochran1981 at April 10, 2013 11:49 AM (da5Wo)
Posted by: 80sBaby at April 10, 2013 11:49 AM (YjDyJ)
"It's on the front page of the NRA/ILA site. There's nothing ambiguous about it."
Are you talking about the April 5th statement opposing Diane Feinstein's gun control bill?
Posted by: jwest at April 10, 2013 11:50 AM (u2a4R)
Posted by: Soothsayer at April 10, 2013 03:46 PM (9Q7Nu)
Open thread count?
Posted by: Tami[/i] at April 10, 2013 11:50 AM (X6akg)
Posted by: tasker at April 10, 2013 11:50 AM (r2PLg)
http://tinyurl.com/3mg6pe8 (warning, link to huff poo poo)
Posted by: Caustic at April 10, 2013 11:50 AM (/b8+5)
Posted by: Sean Bannion at April 10, 2013 11:50 AM (n/KHD)
Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 10, 2013 11:50 AM (jE38p)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile[/i][/b][/s] at April 10, 2013 11:51 AM (bxiXv)
Posted by: BCochran1981 at April 10, 2013 03:49 PM (da5Wo)
To quote Chesty: "we're surrounded, that solves the problem of us getting to these bastards and killing them."
Posted by: tangonine at April 10, 2013 11:51 AM (x3YFz)
Posted by: luigi vercotti at April 10, 2013 11:51 AM (Jsiw/)
"...they would definitely have a spokesmen go out there and make a public statement."
Do you think the spokesman would have a name?
Posted by: jwest at April 10, 2013 11:51 AM (u2a4R)
Posted by: zsasz at April 10, 2013 11:52 AM (GzU1I)
Posted by: tasker at April 10, 2013 11:52 AM (r2PLg)
No, my Weiner-sense is, though, Mr. Wisenheimer.
Posted by: Soothsayer
Your weiner-sense is located in your weiner, doncha know?
Posted by: EC at April 10, 2013 11:52 AM (GQ8sn)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Mmmm. Tea. at April 10, 2013 11:53 AM (VtjlW)
Posted by: Soothsayer at April 10, 2013 03:51 PM (9Q7Nu)
Not predicting....it's already up.
Posted by: Tami[/i] at April 10, 2013 11:53 AM (X6akg)
OK so I'm not the only one with a full sized safe who stands back and says "we're going to need more room?" I need 2 more.
Posted by: tangonine at April 10, 2013 03:30 PM (x3YFz)
MOAR! If I buy a new safe, I must fill that safe. It is a law.
Posted by: AZ Hi Desert (All my Hate cannot be found) at April 10, 2013 11:53 AM (p3KJP)
"Play the game or GTFO. Big kid ball: play it or stfu."
That doesn't mean outright lying, sleight of hand, and emotional manipulation shouldn't be picked out, pointed at, spotlighted, and terminated with extreme prejudice. It's the least we can do toward a goal where people at least aspire to be straight up with each other.
Posted by: Jaws at April 10, 2013 11:53 AM (4I3Uo)
There's the Bannion I know and adore!
Posted by: mpfs, assault fishstick at April 10, 2013 11:55 AM (iYbLN)
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's Other Mobile[/i][/b][/s] at April 10, 2013 11:56 AM (bxiXv)
jwest why the 'concern' whether this is an NRA position or not? Do you want it to be or do you think the NRA will support this bill?
I don't understand why you took offense to the idea that the NRA may have taken this position. Were you just trying to start shit or were you concerned of the accuracy of reporting for accuracies sake?
Posted by: polynikes at April 10, 2013 11:56 AM (m2CN7)
Posted by: Jay at April 10, 2013 11:57 AM (WSgyE)
While there's no harm in supporting the GOA, they have two big problems:
1. They have almost no influence.
2. They're far too extreme to get mainstream support.
While opposition to federal gun laws might be perfectly valid from a federalist perspective, their stances aren't politically viable.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at April 10, 2013 11:58 AM (SY2Kh)
Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at April 10, 2013 12:00 PM (YmPwQ)
Remember when Manchin fired a gun at the Obamacare bill on one of his campaign videos? He was a gun owning man of the people who was against Obama but a democrat too! yeah.. not so much
Lets stop pretending here. These people are our ENEMIES
They LIE for a living. How anyone can listen to them for a second is beyond my understanding. Why we have entire channels on TV devoted to pretending politics is real is also beyond my understanding. Maybe its the same reason why people watch the WWE even though they know its fake. I dunno
These people are using us as their 'psychological support dog'.. Ruining our lives to make their own have meaning. This is a sick world. Sick.
Posted by: We are doomed. at April 10, 2013 12:00 PM (B4kSp)
The April 5th article is for the background check bill.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at April 10, 2013 12:03 PM (SY2Kh)
Nice use of WWE as an analogy...
I schooled poppin' Fresh at Tepid using hisfeeble attempt at an aikido analogy using WWE as what the reality is, and UFC as what optimal would be....
and the RiNO Dumpling gang?
http://youtu.be/aTBWseBfaLg
Pat Toomey-KickBoxer
Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at April 10, 2013 12:03 PM (LRFds)
Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 45% more DOOM! at April 10, 2013 12:04 PM (xAtAj)
http://tinyurl.com/dyznhql
They also seem to come into politics poor and leave somehow wealthier, how do they do that?
Posted by: Caustic at April 10, 2013 12:05 PM (/b8+5)
Posted by: Caustic at April 10, 2013 12:10 PM (/b8+5)
http://tinyurl.com/dyznhql
They also seem to come into politics poor and leave somehow wealthier, how do they do that?
Posted by: Caustic at April 10, 2013 04:05 PM
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They sponge up OPM
Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 10, 2013 12:18 PM (aDwsi)
Posted by: Schwalbe: The Me-262© at April 10, 2013 12:19 PM (UU0OF)
Posted by: Beagle at April 10, 2013 12:22 PM (sOtz/)
"Um, no, no they were not."
Posted by: Jay at April 10, 2013 03:57 PM (WSgyE)
Right. Toomey took the oportunity of a televised news conference to lie about that.
Does it hurt being that fucking stupid?
Posted by: jwest at April 10, 2013 12:24 PM (u2a4R)
Posted by: BlueStateRebel at April 10, 2013 12:24 PM (7ObY1)
Posted by: Jay at April 10, 2013 12:34 PM (WSgyE)
Posted by: Jay at April 10, 2013 12:35 PM (WSgyE)
Ace - uh, no, no legislative language empowers or enables the judicial branch to leave its lane and legislate. Period. The courts' obvious and only responsible and authorized course in the event of poorly written laws is to strike them down. Sometimes - and the SCOTUS has done this for years - with specific instructions on what's wrong and how to fix it, for the legislature to re-tweak and re-pass.
In CA, land of racist illiterates and tech geniuses who are mostly civic and even economic illiterates, a state judge struck down an absurd law attempting to criminalize the purchase of ammunition online. He identified "vagueness" in the provision concerning what is handgun ammo (yes, folks, these people ruining the country really are stupid, as demonstrated by the fact that they can't even write their own unconstitutional and indefensible and pernicious laws properly).
So - no, no court is ever justified in re-writing a law to make it work, or make it coherent, etc. That is just as much the essence of lawless judicial tyranny as the invention-out-of-thin-air trick (Roe, Roberts tax, marriage redefinition, etc.).
The idiot Roberts once, in a dissenting opinion in a particularly ridiculous SCOTUS ruling (the one where Kennedy usurped the treaty power and also formally instructed the United States that if he chose to define "up" as "down" and "black" as white", then 330 million formerly free and constitutionally-ruled people better damn well comply), noted that the court was engaged in an outrageous game of "bait and switch" with Congress on military tribunals. "Fix this" ....... "uh ..... hmmm .... nope, STILL no good .... fix THAT!"). He even wrote - imagine this, from the hamster of a man who gave us his health care tax idiocy - that this bait-and-switch, through its clear lack of good faith, threatened the very constitutional order.
So back-and-forthing with legislatures is fine. Legislating from the bench - never, under and circumstances.
We're in a lawless cretinous nightmare with no road back, so all this is academic, but Ace just thought this fairly simple matter needed to be stated clearly.
Posted by: non-purist at April 10, 2013 12:36 PM (afQnV)
Posted by: nip at April 10, 2013 12:36 PM (lGVXf)
I've been stuck in a car with the same group of people two days in a row. The driver listens to savage "religiously". The second night in a row, it was hard to take, he spent half his program on the subject. I sometimes wonder if these talking heads have lost their connection with what is going on in the world.
Posted by: bawa wawa at April 10, 2013 12:37 PM (/b8+5)
Posted by: Beagle at April 10, 2013 12:56 PM (sOtz/)
Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at April 10, 2013 12:57 PM (8+jkh)
What you get when a nation rejects God and goes awhoring for a false messiah.
Posted by: ron n. at April 10, 2013 05:25 PM (KLIgx)
It's ALL a lie. We have to fight this.
Posted by: Phelps at April 12, 2013 06:56 AM (zJH/w)
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