1 Not just glaciers, organic, free-range glaciers!

2 So, increase carbon dioxide production? You drive a hybrid? Why do you hate Gaia?

3 Don't trust those ice age lowered sea levels...just saying.

4 A glacier is almost as hard to outrun as an ocean rising a billimeter a year.

5 Glaciers be like Tribbles yo.

6 Glaciers are natural and were here long before us. They showcase the gentle beauty and harmony of Nature as they slowly overwhelm and pulverize all before them. Like Obama.

7 Shocker... the idiocy there is palpable.

8 Oh wait, are we now back on the global ice age again? I am getting whiplash from these people, its one extreme to the other.

9 The difference between a moral man and a man of honor is that the latter regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked. — H. L. Mencken

10 Thats OK, I was watching the science channel and a guy said that the melting glaciers (from man) are "uncorking" volcanoes.

11 are we now back on the global ice age again?

Its all good dood...AGW helped us dodge that bullet.

12 Warmer temperatures have historically been good for people and crops. Even if AGW is right, what's the down side?

13 The Native American name for glacier, Wattafuk, inspires us to see these cold and merciless wonders in a new way.

14 Warmer temperatures have historically been good for people and crops. Even if AGW is right, what's the down side? ---- There is no down side. The irony is, ask any pot grower if he'd like a tank of co2. And at the same time its a high probability that he thinks its destroying the earth at the same time.

15 The north freezes over.....where is the problem?

16 Fallen Angels. You only thought it was fiction.

17

WE SUCCEEDED!!!!!

This is, In my extimation, a crowning acheivement in the annals of all human existence...

The terriffying prospect of the coming Ice Age that we were alerted to when I was a mere child in the 70s has been averted. Man has averted impending disaster!

Who knew my love of gas guzzling cars, and eating steaks and bacon would have played such a crucial role....

We did it people. We conquered nature- at least, one small portion of it...

PAHRTY TIME!!! Everyone comes to my place later....beers on me!

 

 

 

18 So, can someone explain to me again why mile thick glaciers over the northern states are desirable again?
---
Because shutup.

19

Face it - these assholes have absolutely no idea what they're talking about. None. Zero. Zip. Nada.

 

And I say that as a (no shit) physical scientist.

20 Fools talking out of their asses again. Did they also admit there would no longer be a need for one world government under a benign socialist dictator?

21 "Because they're natural."

22 The cries of "Norman, co-ordinate!" echo across the NPR chasm.

23 Uh, because liberals live up north... if we froze the north only the south would survive, sounds good to me.

24 Its simple.... People are bad.... Ice Ages will Kill People... so Ice Age GOOD!

25 "why mile thick glaciers over the northern states are desirable"

They keep people from buying supersize sodas and gun ammo magazine bullet holder cartridge thingys.

26 I'm still in favor of global warming: (1) It's cold where I live. I don't like cold. (2) I don't live near an ocean, so the flooding thing isn't a problem for me. (Come to think of it, have we actually had any flooding, I don't see NYC or Miami wiped off the map yet.) (3) Lots of fertile land in Canada and Russia just waiting for long growing seasons. (4) We have a whole continent we're not using. (5) Did I mention less cold? That's a biggie.

27 The is no evidence the glaciers are thwarted. None. Zero. Nada. Nil. The Big O. Not so much. Nope. As a scientist I regret the drooling fribble coming to your eyes and ears from these creepy circus clowns.

28 Environmentalism is an anti-human religion. Recycling is a purity ritual. Fucking eco-nazis.

29 Mile thick glaciers are a highly visible landing strip and lure for a big fat SMOD. Biodegradable too. No Davis-Bacon either.

30 See!!1! Global warming is bad!!1! If we let the glaciers take over than there will be less humans!!! Hoorah less humans!!1!~`eleventy!!1!

31 They just can't admit that humans have no factor in this, so they go with everything cancelled everything else out.

32 Heh, heh, heh. This is what we want you to think!

33 I coulda had an Ice Age!

34 Fewer humans.

35 The world will be ours once again!

36 31 They just can't admit that humans have no factor in this, so they go with everything cancelled everything else out. Posted by: Guy Mohawk at March 08, 2013 12:14 AM (p/cQy) That was their get out of jail free card all along.

37 Not only are the glaciers.unaffected by us, measurements have shown ice ages can kick in real fast, as in decades. Al Gore could live long enough to meet the Goddess Irony in the flesh.

38

I am now proud to say the fart I ripped that SOOOOooo offended my wife in at Olive Garden in 1996 probably played a part in averting this impending disaster.

Now she can tell that story in a much different light!

39 They obviously want giant, Arctic camels to make a comeback.

Hey! I'll start a tour company using them called "One Hump Or Two?"

I'll make a fortune with OHOT!

40 Not only are the glaciers.unaffected by us, measurements have shown ice ages can kick in real fast, as in decades.

Under 200yr...as low as 50...

...proceeded by highly variable climate

41 There goes my job on the great lakes...

BTW for the record,  winter shipping season ended early --  because ice conditions WERE BECOMING UNTENABLE

Wheres Algore and his speedo?  I would have strapped the fracker to the foremast...

42

Consensus.

It's what's for dinner.

43 My carbon footprint is covered in ice.

44 Niven-Pournelle-Flynn.  Novel called 'Fallen Angels'
It was because of all the greenhouse gases put out by humans that the Earth stayed warm.  Once the Gaia worshipers shut down all the evil pollution, the Earth was plunged into an Ice Age.

Link to Amazon for the book - http://tinyurl.com/ajxv326

45 It'll finally fix Detroit. It'll mean we finally get rid of communiust New England and replace it with some awesome skiing and snowboarding.

46 There is no guarantee the glaciers will stop and retreat as they have done in the past. They could keep going until there is nowhere left to go. It has happened before and it could happen again.

47 Excess CO2 causes people to see multi-colored fonts.

48 With their ice floes shrinking, I predict that polar bears will evolve to the size of Chihuahuas.

49 King of Nerds repeat...  geez that pink haired Pinky Pie special snowflake should just go away.  Bet she is always a buzz kill if anyone is better than her.

50

I read the essay about the motley bunch known as the French Foreign Legion (link in the post below). It was quite interesting, but the author had to fly his lib flag. He wrote about how the French officers in the Legion have a "deeply reactionary" worldview and gave this as an example:

 

"In the southern city of Nîmes,..., a French officer complained to me about the local citizens. He said, “They speak about their rights, their rights, their rights. Well, what about their responsibilities? In the Legion we don’t speak about our rights. We speak about our duties!”

 

 I said, “It angers you.”

 

He looked at me with surprise, as if to say, And you it does not?"

 

 The officer sounds to me like one of the few sensible people in France, but apparently any talk about "responsibilities" and "duties" makes you "deeply reactionary" these days.

51 I have always considered extreme heat to be uncomfortable, but extreme cold to me is literally painful. So bring on the heat! Oh yeah, I also live in Texas...maybe that's why. And it was 87 here Monday afternoon, then 28 Tuesday morning. Seriously, fuck the cold.

52 Donna V.

"The incessant chant of rights brings back memories of childhood as I had a temper tantrum because I was told no.  When I kept on blubbering for the trinket, I received swift corrective action that refocused my attention upon my burning posterior."

Some people need that lesson.  As adults.

53 Glaciers vs. Zombies: The Drumlin Project

54 Flash frozen zombies.  When thawed will they still move?

55 *face palm* 

Rand Paul filibustered the Senate in defense of two AQ members is the headline.  Why even bother reading the article?

http://tinyurl.com/a745jrv

56 From the article "...like previous such efforts, the method gives only an approximation. Michael E. Mann, a researcher at Pennsylvania State University who is an expert in the relevant techniques ....." Isnt that the same alchemist who made up the "hockey stick" based on tree ring ring patterns in the Baltics.... patterns from less than a dozen trees???? How is THAT fucker not in jail?????

57 Flash frozen zombies. When thawed will they still move?

Probably, but the freezing would kill us, so we'd never know.

58 Mann has the (fake) Nobel prize exemption.

59 Isnt that the same alchemist who made up the "hockey stick" based on tree ring ring patterns in the Baltics.... patterns from less than a dozen trees???? How is THAT fucker not in jail????? Posted by: fixerupper at March 08, 2013 01:04 AM (9MmIU) Hide the Decline: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAlMomLvu_4

60 Hide the Decline: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAlMomLvu_4 Posted by: Giant Woolly Flying Squid at March 08, 2013 01:12 AM (Vk2pI) BTW, what is the original song that this is a parody of?

61 P.T. Barnum (there's a sucker born every minute) had nothing on Al Gore and his "science" buddies.  People can be so naive.  hook, line, sinker

62 In the future, flash frozen FSA types will be defrosted with their Obamaphones being held up to their ears.

63

O/T.... but...

 

What do you all think about trying to get a charity going to get enough money together to Save the White House Tours????

 

After all.... thats OUR dam House...

64

Jay Guevara and eman - not a scientist, but scientifically literate (well, in my youth), never really lost touch with it, and most of all understand logic and scientific method (the real keys, in any case).  Sort of a logic geek, actually.

 

Anyway - WTF?  I have thought, all along, like you two - these people have no idea what they are talking about.  From the get-go, AGW "science" has seemed ridiculous to me.  And un-scientific.  A very, very outlandish hypothesis (to me) - that CO2 unleashed by man could significantly affect the climate.   The troposphere is not a "greenhouse", no matter what you release into it.  It doesn't even resemble a greenhouse.

 

Which gets at the over-arching logical and scientific problem.  We cannot characterize the workings of global climate.  There may not be "global" climate (why, for example, was the northern hemisphere so different than the southern in the last big temperature event?) - "global average temperature" seems a meaningless and unfounded idea from several angles.  So we (they) don't know if it's a system, or a system of systems, and they can't build models with reproducible results that exceed that of random number generators - but they come out with pronouncements and anything other than "gee, our models are meaningless, we don't understand the basic mechanics or architecture or key factors here yet"? 

 

It's ridiculous - and patently so.  To even a casual but literate and logical outsider.  WTF?  The corruption of almost all institutions is of course obvious all around us (by "institutions" I include basic values and little boring building blocks of civilization and particularly American achievement, such as a public service ethic, integrity, etc.).  But science, too?

 

A good friend's brother is the chair of a physical science dept. at a major eastern university (physics, not "climate").  Big deal.  My friend has gently prodded him over the last few years to confront the corruption and ethical and substantive crisis in "climate science".  The brother initially just couldn't believe anyone would do such things (fake data, lie about data, hide data, punk the peer review process, politicize/propagandize/scheme to promote their field) - as he wouldn't, nor had he every seen such a thing in science.  He's come around a bit now, but appears mortified by proxy for his non-brothers in climate "science" - he no longer dismisses my friend's dismissals of AGW alarmism and power-mongering.

 

There's such a perfect storm of economic, civic, and historical illiteracy, adolescent conformist emotion-based trend-hugging, absurd racial guilt and cost-free spectacular race-baiting, envy, and shameful self-dealing in control of our society and politics today my demoralization (and more so, alienation) is about complete.  But I have to say the whole AGW thing (which incorporates some of the same elements of decline) has been an accelerant in the fire burning down my respect for - and to be honest my interest in - what used to be America.

 

 

65 49 King of Nerds repeat... geez that pink haired Pinky Pie special snowflake should just go away. Bet she is always a buzz kill if anyone is better than her.

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Yeah, she got all tantrumy when she lost, didn't she? Best bit was when she was whining about how Pong is so old that no reasonable person could be expected to know that Nolan Bushnell created it to her and the guy sitting next to her says "well, I knew that". Kind of shut her up pretty quick.

66

Posted by: non-purist at March 08, 2013 01:16 AM (afQnV)

 

Whats worse?  The CO2 global warming thing can be shown false easily.

 

A 'greenhouse' gas works by absorbing IR radiation in certain wavelengths from the sun, and blackbody radiation from the earth... it then passes that energy off to the rest of the atmosphere through conduction and convetion (its not a blanket, which is why the term greenhouse gas is misleading).

 

Problem is, that CO2 and Water Vapor share most of the same spectrum, and ALL of the IR radiation within those bands is already absorbed... at much LOWER CO2 levels...  so adding CO2 does nothing at this point, to add warming you'd have to add ENERGY.... from either the sun, or the blackbody radiation given off by the earth...

 

The IR Radiation measurments are out there... and the absorbtion bands have been known for year.... but Calif STILL instituted Cap and Trade last year

 

/facepalm

67 ALL of the IR radiation within those bands is already absorbed... at much LOWER CO2 levels... so adding CO2 does nothing at this point

Yea, the forcing curve for CO2 is logarithmic, and we've been off to the far right side on that curve for a long time.  You could 5X today's levels and have only the tiniest incremental additional forcing.  IOW - its all bullshit.

There's profound intellectual dishonesty in tricking people into thinking its a linear response.

68 can someone explain to me again why mile thick glaciers over the northern states are desirable again?

Dead white men.

69 I just finished my taxes, and I'm sitting here in Michigan at 1:30 A.M. looking out the front window at 1 foot of hard, frozen, dirty snow THAT WON'T GO AWAY! Those lying bastards promised us global warming, now they can damn well give us global warming because I'm tired of walking my beagle in hard, dirty snow. Okay, maybe I should go have a glass of wine.

70 They wanted to create the scariest situation thier dinky computer models could conjure, repeat them over and over again and create maximum hysteria. Now its falling apart and a new (wold) hysteria is needed. Many of you are not old enough to remember that a sudden reversal to an ice age was all the rage in the early 1970. Now, it the face of undeniable evidence they create ice cage approaches. Chicken Little never tries of announcing the sky is falling! Prepare according to you instincts, or do't prepare at all.

71 Aren't they stepping on The Narrative™ by even admitting there was a Medieval Warm Period?

72 @71.  The trick to a good lie is to put a tiny bit of truth into it.  Politicians do it all the time.

73 "So, can someone explain to me again why mile thick glaciers over the northern states are desirable again? I missed that explanation the first time."

Simple. They'll crush you Yankees into paste, leaving the South untouched.

74 "So, can someone explain to me again why mile thick glaciers over the northern states are desirable again? I missed that explanation the first time."

..and could someone explain how the mile thick layers of ice which have occurred more than once were melted before the days of the automobile in Southern California?

75 We are in the Holocene Interglacial Period. 

That says it all.  ( I mean the "interglacial" part says it all. )

76 I was all set to land on that glacier and nuke it. Yippee ki-yay oh fuck it.

77 "So, can someone explain to me again why mile thick glaciers over the northern states are desirable again?" Well... just because... the science is settled! Racist.

78 Talk about shockers... "I can tell you that the United States is fully capable of defending against any North Korean ballistic missile attack," said White House spokesman Jay Carney. I'd bet my last dollar that Jay Carney grew up in a household that denigrated Ronald Reagan and referred to his proposal for a missile defense system as 'Star Wars'.

79 I'm a physicist (teach it... god knows why they'd hire me!), have degrees in underwater bb stacking, squirrel throwing and space operations. 

I took grad courses in stellar structure, field theory... just a bunch of crap I faked my way through, but at the end of the day a wee bit of it sunk in.

And as a random internet dude who you don't know who has no credentials at all I can tell you this:

Horseshit.

should have been my doctoral dissertation.

80

But,

Someone said Bacon up-thread, and that got me thinking bout HASH-BROWNS....which in due nature gets one's thoughts on BLUEBERRY-PANCAKES...it is morning somewhere on the East Coast....so this thread should consider the thought of BREAKFAST and all the goodness therein contained with bacon, hashbrowns, and pancakes of a blueberry nature.....

 

jus sayin.....

81 OK, Morons and 'ettes one more time! Global Warming has the same relationship to CO2 as Gun Control has to Controlling Crime! NONE, both are DemProg ways of controlling your life to THEIR benefit. Class Dismissed!

82

82

True and noted!

Now.....Pancakes?

83 @83 Maple Syrup please and a side of Bacon please!

84

YES!!

We need to take time out from the battle that grows before us for some time honored comfort food....while we still have the chance.

There may come a time sooner than later when.....

Good Morning to the M and M's of the Daylight Brigade

this ONT'r is heading for the rack....

A good day to you all.....

85 Can I make that a double side of Bacon?

86

86

For you,

extra crispy and Hickory smoked thicked sliced double portions....

just cuz you are here....

87 @86 Holy Shit, just like Home!

88 Global temperatures are warmer than at any time in at least 4,000 years, scientists reported Thursday, and over the coming decades are likely to surpass levels not seen on the planet since before the last ice age. In the beginning paragraph they admit the planet was warmer then current temperatures before the last ice age. You know, when Fred Flintstone powered around town on his dinosaur powered SUV. I live in an area that used to be under a block of ice 2,000 feet thick, and current summer temperatures would not melt that sucker. Not in one year, but over the course of tens of thousands, perhaps. It would be more likely if the average temperature of the planet was higher. The temperature of the planet varies for 10,000 interrelated reasons. CO2 is only a tiny slice of a very large pie, and most likely is a 'lagging' indicator. In other words, as the glacier pushed across North America massive amounts of plant material was buried deep underground and the decaying remains is *still* percolating to the surface. Bringing CO2 with it.

89 Bernie Madoff went to jail for his scam.  Yet Al Gore and the rest of the Global Warming gang are still to this day ripping off billions of dollars from people.  People are losing their jobs because of this scam.  We are paying higher energy bills because of this scam.  Our government is wasting our tax dollars because of this scam.  Governments spend time on this issue when real issues need attention.  There must be some powerful people stuffing money off this crime into their bank accounts.  They all need to be thrown under the jail.

90

Anyone see that Stephen Colbert clip where he looks up and tells the drones that he loves them so he won't be killed?

Well, who the fuck controls the use of the drones?

All you have to do is profess your love of Ogabe to avoid being a target. remember, according to Ogabe political foes are the ENEMY.

Remember also that Big Sis said that Tea Partiers and returning soldiers were terrorists

91 I'm going to order a big plate of blueberry pancakes with maple syrup. Eggs over easy with five sausages.

92 "They all need to be thrown under the jail." We could improve this country by a factor of eleventy. Wouldn't take much. Probably just one cruise ship (with a bad engine) and a mid winter cruise,,, to the North Atlantic.

93 We   are   burning   Snuggies   and   books   to   keep   warm.

94 I have an idea! We have an Island Holiday for ALL members of the EPA, DEA, BATFE and DOJ and they all make to the Island happy and full of cheer. At 0500 the next Morning Son of SMOD lands at the exact center of the Island! Money well spent.

95 Twice in Earth's history it has been completely covered with ice.  As in no green, no unfrozen areas,  all ice.

If these idiots want to work on something,  how about figuring out how to stop that?

96 Global Warming = More Bikinis

97 The whole problem with AGW theory is that in the past the Earth's atmosphere had much higher levels of CO2 than it does today - and nothing disastrous - from a climatological standpoint - happened.

The long term trend for CO2 is that the amount in the air decreases due to it being trapped in limestone. When the CO2 reaches a low enough level all the plants would die. When the plants die essentially all life on the planet dies with them. I suppose the sulfur dioxide breathing plants they have discovered near some underwater volcanic vents might continue to exist.

In other words - get rid of the CO2 and the planet dies. Our adding of CO2 to the atmosphere has postponed the date at which that no CO2 death sentence for the Earth arrives.
 

98 Global Warming = More Game! This equals more tasty Meat on the table! Whats the problem?

99 They are covering all their bases. You point out the bastards were pimping an ice age 35 years ago the kids get it's a con. They lost this round, but they never stop.

100

Climate activists are nuts.

101 Let us panic about temp trends over what amounts to an instance in the age of the earth and disregard billions of years of fluctuations in temp and co2 beyond the limits our politicians call normal. What could possibly go wrong?

102 But but but but POLAR BEARS, YOU GUYS!!!!

103 Test

104 Mile thick ice sheets over the Northern States would be good because Al Franken would be then be killed and eaten by a giant Pleistocene wolverine

105 At 0730 in East Texas the temp is 50 degrees and rain is called for this weekend by Doctor Bob. And Ted Cruz is my Senator for the next 6 years!

106 "...like previous such efforts, the method gives only an approximation. Michael E. Mann, a researcher at Pennsylvania State University who is an expert in the relevant techniques ....."

Isnt that the same alchemist who made up the "hockey stick" based on tree ring ring patterns in the Baltics.... patterns from less than a dozen trees????

How is THAT fucker not in jail?????

Posted by: fixerupper at March 08, 2013 01:04 AM (9MmIU)

 

 

 

 

Penn State conducted an internal investigation and exonerated him of any 'willful' dishonesty.

107 I'm always amused when I remind people that 15K years ago, what is now Chicago was under 2.5 miles of ice. They give me the strangest looks. Which makes sense, because "history" for most people starts the day they were born. Love? sex? children? all invented by the youngest generation, and us old goats just had sex to have children. Lust, love, desire? all modern inventions we had nothing do with.

108 Glacers are, like, good things cause they will cause humans to die off. And, ya know, Paul Ehrlich he's such a cool environmentalist who wants to save the planet says there are too many peeps here. Peeple are like parasites ya know AIDS on Mother Earth! Al Goire whos such a wonderfull environmentalist says so and all scientists who ever lived agree! It's a consensus that right wing deniers keep denying. I can't wait for the glaicers when all the little animals will live in perfect harmony as Gaia intended!

109

Whatever.

Matthew 24:35 - "Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away."

Just don't tell me that my consciousness or being or essence of existence is doomed to be ripped apart by a black hole and absorbed in the next Singularity.

Hopeful that Jesus will hear my voice and carry me safely & whole to another dimension when that crisis comes around.

110  ....and the kooks just keep on coming...

111 The Science magazine article that the NYT story is citing is behind a paywall, but the Supplementary Materials, which are just as useful if not more so, are freely available at http://tinyurl.com/a29zwxx It looks like a metastudy of 73 publicly-available datasets of paleoclimatic temperature proxies (ice-cores, plankton, pollen, etc.) They do some statistical Monte-Carlo mumbo-jumbo which I don't understand, resulting in a striking graph on page 10. In the graph it looks like things had cooled off about 0.6C since 7000BP, then very recently and suddenly regained the 0.6C. FWIW.

112

....and the kooks just keep on coming...

Posted by: Choey at March 08, 2013 10:27 AM (uPGPu)

 

kooky to say i don't give a shit about the "crisis" of a lie that is AGW and cite reasons of faith?

GFY, a-hole.  Your hastag indicates that you just showed up, too.

113 Follow the money. algore sells his global warming mongering Current TV channel to the arabs. Part of the payment will be in sand, which he plans to sell to the northern states for winter road maintenance. He is a genius.

114

If all these climate-types keep on plaintively exclaiming one theory, then another, then another, etc.,  can we all collectively hope that one day REAL SOON their heads will simply wrench offa their necks,hit the Holy Gaia's Earth, and we can kick their detached noggins into the closest open drain ?

...and can these acts of attrition close one small circle of life, where  'people recycling' actually sees some benefits ? [as the organic bits get consumed by creatures, great and small]

Amen ,  yaall........

 

115 There they go again trying to lessen or get rid of the MWP.  "at least in the northern hemisphere" BS...

116 Mainstream CAGW "science" is more similar to a Nigerian e-mail scam than not.

117 This echoes something that I've said many times. In effect: Even if I grant your theory on Global Warming, even assuming the worst/highest temperatures, how do you know that today's temperatures (which you are trying to preserve) are the correct ones?

118 Why are mile deep glaciers a good thing?  They would bury the ruins of what is know as Detroit.  I think its the only way we can clean the Earth of this pestilent city is to have it ground into glacial silt to fertilize the fields of Ohio.