April 15, 2014

Obama Administration: ObamaCare Is So Successful We're Going To Make Sure It's Impossible To Measure Just How Awesome It Is
— DrewM

You'd think that with all the victory laps Obama has been doing over hitting his numbers on "sign ups", whatever that means, he'd be eager to have hard data to back up his claims.

Surprisingly, that's actually not the case.

The Census Bureau, the authoritative source of health insurance data for more than three decades, is changing its annual survey so thoroughly that it will be difficult to measure the effects of President ObamaÂ’s health care law in the next report, due this fall, census officials said.

The changes are intended to improve the accuracy of the survey, being conducted this month in interviews with tens of thousands of households around the country. But the new questions are so different that the findings will not be comparable, the officials said.

An internal Census Bureau document said that the new questionnaire included a “total revision to health insurance questions” and, in a test last year, produced lower estimates of the uninsured. Thus, officials said, it will be difficult to say how much of any change is attributable to the Affordable Care Act and how much to the use of a new survey instrument.

So look, you'll just have to trust Obama and people like Ezra Klein when they tell you all is well and ObamaCare is the best thing ever. You have a problem with that?

Related enough...the head of NBC News political coverage knows why ObamaCare is so gosh darn unpopular.



Let's unpack this nonsense for a second.

I like how they pick March as the cutoff deadline for counting pro-ObamaCare ads. It lets him ignore all the money HHS spent promoting it prior to that. In ads. On TV.

It also ignores all the friendly media coverage people like him give it.

But mostly it ignores something very important. The reason candidates, Democratic campaign committees and PACs aren't running pro-ObamaCare ads is that it's unpopular and running on it would be suicide.

If simply buying ads would make the thing a winner for Democrats you can bet they'd be spending tons of money doing just that. They tried using taxpayer money (Happy Tax Day!) and failed.

But chin up Mark. Socialism will be popular someday, it just needs a bigger advertising budget.

Posted by: DrewM at 07:35 AM | Comments (366)
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1 So successful he is making Jimmah look good.

Posted by: maddogg at April 15, 2014 07:37 AM (xWW96)

2 Yo

Posted by: maddogg at April 15, 2014 07:38 AM (xWW96)

3 You mean they might lie about the numbers?! I'm shocked, shocked at such an insiuation! The Federal Government's numbers are always trustworthy and correct!

Posted by: nnptcgrad at April 15, 2014 07:38 AM (AQtZI)

4 Anybody home?

Posted by: maddogg at April 15, 2014 07:38 AM (xWW96)

5 You embedded the same tweet twice, Drew.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at April 15, 2014 07:38 AM (da5Wo)

6 Spiked your hat trick maddog.

Posted by: nnptcgrad at April 15, 2014 07:39 AM (AQtZI)

7

For willow, if she ever gets here......

http://tinyurl.com/ax4jmws

Posted by: maddogg at April 15, 2014 07:40 AM (xWW96)

8

I've actually been paying attention and I haven't seen a single anti-ACA ad on the television.

 

But I do see shitbiscuits on ABC, NBC, and CBS "news" programs uncritically regurgitating Administration claims about Obamacare.

 

Not sure how that got turned into "ACA opponents have sole control over the airwaves."

 

The only thing I see is this assnugget forces himself to believe it so he can prosletyze in favor of the ACA and thereby convince himself he's providing "balance" and "equal time."

 

 

Posted by: @JohnTant at April 15, 2014 07:41 AM (eytER)

9 Obamacare is nothing more than a giant tax increase.

Posted by: SH at April 15, 2014 07:41 AM (gmeXX)

10 9Obamacare is nothing more than a giant tax increase.

Posted by: SH at April 15, 2014 11:41 AM (gmeXX)

No, it's a hellova lot worse than a tax increase. A hellova lot worse.

Posted by: maddogg at April 15, 2014 07:42 AM (xWW96)

11 Maybe Drew's just keeping us in suspense over just how stupid the second tweet is going to be.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at April 15, 2014 07:43 AM (HLprW)

12 And, of course the media is helping. Obamacare Stories Ignore Taxes, Penalties 88 Percent of the Time But there’s one big tax story the broadcast networks practically ignored this year: the Obamacare taxes that just took effect. The network evening news shows have aired 40 stories or news briefs that mentioned “Obamacare” or the “Affordable Care Act” between Jan. 1, 2014, and April 13, 2014. But 87.5 percent (35 of 40) of those ignored the taxes associated with the legislation by failing to mention any taxes or penalties related to Obamacare. Read more: http://newsbusters.org/#ixzz2yyD8vj3o

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 15, 2014 07:43 AM (IXrOn)

13 Why Obamacare's (un)popularity is probably going to continue: ACA opponents have sole control over the airwaves [Ponk] [Sound of joncelli's jaw softly hitting the floor] How did he write that without being struck by lightning?

Posted by: joncelli at April 15, 2014 07:43 AM (RD7QR)

14 ot - drudge finally redlining/headllining the license plate scanning in VA

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 15, 2014 07:43 AM (IXrOn)

15 How many Alonzo Mourning ads ran during the NCAA tournament. In fairness, they may have actually been anti-Obamacare ads. I thought they were satirizing after-school PSAs.

Posted by: SH at April 15, 2014 07:43 AM (gmeXX)

16 Those Soviet economic forecasts are starting to look better and better.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 15, 2014 07:44 AM (LLb/F)

17 Wait a second, some NBC cumdumpster is saying that ACA opponents have the sole control of the airwaves?  Did somebody hijack his account?

Posted by: Captain Hate at April 15, 2014 07:44 AM (dr4EY)

18 9Obamacare is nothing more than a giant tax increase.Posted by: SH at April 15, 2014 11:41 AM (gmeXX) No, it's a hellova lot worse than a tax increase. A hellova lot worse. --- At the end of the day, it will be nothing more than a tax increase.

Posted by: SH at April 15, 2014 07:44 AM (gmeXX)

19 This ignores all the ads touting the new healthcare exchanges and how easy is supposedly is to find an affordable plan.

Posted by: Colorado Alex at April 15, 2014 07:44 AM (tIvOy)

20 Hey, I heard Reggie is leaving the White House. I gots to prove my sucking talents.

Posted by: Mark Murray at April 15, 2014 07:44 AM (Aif/5)

21 Arguing with propaganda is a fool's errand.

Posted by: Soothsayer the Unstompable at April 15, 2014 07:45 AM (HC3oE)

22 Just like that Jobs "Created or Saved" metric. Because there's no way to quantify "saved". Every number the admin says is BS anyway.

Posted by: Lizzy at April 15, 2014 07:45 AM (IdOTf)

23 In many ways, the complete and utter failure of Obamacare is the story of Obama.

Posted by: Mark Murray at April 15, 2014 07:45 AM (yFb77)

24 I suspect the next bullshit they'll throw is that all the HHS ads aren't "pro-obamacare" they're just generic PSAs. I mean if we're just bullshitting, let's go all in.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) [/b] [/i] [/s] at April 15, 2014 07:45 AM (HDwDg)

25 This POS is so popular, noboby wants to     talk abou it!   It sells itself!  OK, the gun pointed at the customers' heads helps a little.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at April 15, 2014 07:45 AM (aq5Dc)

26 So I guess we aren't counting the Mourning ads which I guess all ran during March.

Posted by: SH at April 15, 2014 07:46 AM (gmeXX)

27 Does grant money for TV shows and movies that work in plugs for O-care count? Heck, all he has to do is say "if only," and they voluntarily shill for him.

Posted by: no good deed at April 15, 2014 07:46 AM (ILBCY)

28 obligatroy VIRTUAL PRESIDENT: Bill Whittle talks about TAXES http://tinyurl.com/k5ostd5 therightscoop

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 15, 2014 07:46 AM (IXrOn)

29 Apparently, free advertising by the networks isn't     part of the ad count.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at April 15, 2014 07:46 AM (aq5Dc)

30 The government tried to hook up the American people to a machine that measured the popularity of Obamacare, but it was SO popular the machine exploded!!

Posted by: Shoot Me at April 15, 2014 07:46 AM (EQcfE)

31

Per CMAG's Elizabeth Wilner, number of anti-Obamacare commericials since March 31: 32 Number of pro-Obamacare commercials: 0 (2/2)

 

Per @JohnTant, number of anti-Obamacare news stories on the big three: 0.  Number of pro-Obamacare puff pieces and other assorted agitprop:  eleventy kajillion.

 

 

Limiting it to "commercials" is dishonest in the extreme.  Is it any wonder these sorry no account fucking fuckers have zero credibility?

 

 

Posted by: @JohnTant at April 15, 2014 07:46 AM (eytER)

32 Per CMAG's Elizabeth Wilner, number of anti-Obamacare commericials since March 31: 32 Number of pro-Obamacare commercials: 0


Yeah, because that TWO FUCKING WEEKS made all the difference in the world after 4 years of cheerleading this bullshit and the past 6 months of it on the taxpayers' dime.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at April 15, 2014 07:46 AM (HLprW)

33 If only the GOP leadership were men.

Posted by: Beyond Disgusted at April 15, 2014 07:47 AM (thLL8)

34 That bigger advertising budget will also include funds for painting the walls in the death camp barracks too, right?

Posted by: Roy at April 15, 2014 07:47 AM (VndSC)

35 How hard is it to ask DO YOU HAVE INSURANCE? YES OR NO. Leave it to the govt to fuck up something this simple.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 15, 2014 07:47 AM (0LHZx)

36

Did this greasy assweasel fail to count Mooch's appearance on talk shows telling  young  people to "get covered?"

 

 

Posted by: @JohnTant at April 15, 2014 07:47 AM (eytER)

37 ACA opponents have sole control over the airwaves

I want what he's huffing.

Posted by: HR at April 15, 2014 07:47 AM (hO8IJ)

38 Maybe Obamacare would be more popular if Obama had actually implemented it.

Posted by: SH at April 15, 2014 07:47 AM (gmeXX)

39 But chin up Mark. Socialism will be popular someday, it just needs a bigger advertising budget.
***
Well, half of socialism is popular. People loving getting stuff for "free". The problem is that they don't like having their stuff taken to give to someone else.

Remember the survey that said that only 5% of Democrats thought their own taxes were too low? Even though one of the core issues of Democrat politics is raising taxes?

Posted by: 18-1 at April 15, 2014 07:47 AM (78TbK)

40 How many Alonzo Mourning ads ran during the NCAA tournament. In fairness, they may have actually been anti-Obamacare ads. I thought they were satirizing after-school PSAs.

Posted by: SH at April 15, 2014 11:43 AM (gmeXX)



I wonder if anybody has had the nads to tell Lebron what a brainless pinhead he looked like shilling for 404Care?  Maybe if his mother Gloria was temporarily sober and not banging his teammates.

Posted by: Captain Hate at April 15, 2014 07:48 AM (dr4EY)

41 32 Per CMAG's Elizabeth Wilner, number of anti-Obamacare commericials since March 31: 32 Number of pro-Obamacare commercials: 0 Yeah, because that TWO FUCKING WEEKS made all the difference in the world after 4 years of cheerleading this bullshit and the past 6 months of it on the taxpayers' dime. Posted by: Burn the Witch at April 15, 2014 11:46 AM (HLprW) Hey, I was an A student in High School if you only take into account the two weeks we were watching movies.

Posted by: joncelli at April 15, 2014 07:48 AM (RD7QR)

42 Maybe Obamacare would be more popular if Obama had actually implemented it. Posted by: SH at April 15, 2014 11:47 AM (gmeXX) ----- ooooo.... Im stealing that one one.....

Posted by: fixerupper at April 15, 2014 07:48 AM (nELVU)

43 I see a celebrity or famous athlete pushing 404 Care every day. Selling isn't 'pro'?

Posted by: Beagle at April 15, 2014 07:49 AM (sOtz/)

44 How did he write that without being struck by lightning?


Because even God was shocked at the gall?

Posted by: Burn the Witch at April 15, 2014 07:49 AM (HLprW)

45 At some point, Pravda and Izvestia became open jokes to the population at which they were targeted. NBC is pretty close to the same point.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at April 15, 2014 07:49 AM (lDhlB)

46 Let's call your insistence on comparable data to evaluate my integrity for what it is: pure racism.

Posted by: Barack Obama at April 15, 2014 07:49 AM (yFb77)

47 Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 15, 2014 11:47 AM (0LHZx The liberals have made insurance such a complicated term. There's "gold insurance" "Silver" "Bronze" And "Bad Apple."

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) [/b] [/i] [/s] at April 15, 2014 07:49 AM (HDwDg)

48
Let's put some numbers to it.  The fed govt spent over $700 Million to promote obamacare.  Almost 3/4 of a BILLION dollars.  And yet this dumbass charlatan DNC propagandist from NBC chooses to ignore that.

I hope somebody tweeted back to him some facts so it doesn't sit there unchallenged.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 15, 2014 07:49 AM (hUf/y)

49 ACA opponents have sole control of the airwaves? What toaster-fucking universe does this mouth-breather live in?

Posted by: Citizen X at April 15, 2014 07:50 AM (7ObY1)

50 On the commercial thing??? You missed the biggest difference... Pro O'care commercials are paid for by the TAXPAYER.... Anti O'care by concerned citizens spending their OWN money...

Posted by: Romeo13 at April 15, 2014 07:50 AM (84gbM)

51 Remember the survey that said that only 5% of Democrats thought their own taxes were too low? Even though one of the core issues of Democrat politics is raising taxes? Posted by: 18-1 at April 15, 2014 11:47 AM (78TbK) ______ Demtards think their taxes won't go up when taxes go up on "the rich". Just like that guy in CA who was shocked that HIS health insurance premium went up due to O-care, when he thought only other people's premiums would go up.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at April 15, 2014 07:50 AM (0LHZx)

52 42 Maybe Obamacare would be more popular if Obama had actually implemented it. Posted by: SH at April 15, 2014 11:47 AM (gmeXX) ----- ooooo.... Im stealing that one one..... Posted by: fixerupper at April 15, 2014 11:48 AM (nELVU) Or the Marxist equivalent, "Communism hasn't failed, it simply hasn't been tried." Which is classic Lucy + football.

Posted by: joncelli at April 15, 2014 07:50 AM (RD7QR)

53 This program is so good that it is literally illegal not to purchase. And the government is spending millions in advertising it.

Posted by: redenzo at April 15, 2014 07:50 AM (WCnJW)

54 If only there were some place where citizens were *required* to verify whether or not they have insurance on an annual basis so as to determine whether or not to levy a penalty, no tax, wait, a shared responsibility - or yeah, a tax. Hmmmm. Someone should really make that happen.

Posted by: Lizzy at April 15, 2014 07:50 AM (IdOTf)

55 "But the new questions are so different that the findings will not be comparable, the officials said." Is your new $6000 deductible 'awesome' or is it 'great.' Please select one.

Posted by: RWC at April 15, 2014 07:50 AM (fWAjv)

56 i'm sure the Republicans will eventually fix this , as they are determined to do for the "care" itself. because. yeah i don't know Why . only because.

Posted by: willow at April 15, 2014 07:51 AM (nqBYe)

57 They don't want to talk about obamacare. The Networks still suck are more limited than medicaid. Premiums are set to sky rocket. And the cost to the US Taxpayer is enormous. We have to bury them in November

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 15, 2014 07:51 AM (t3UFN)

58 If only the GOP leadership were men. Posted by: Beyond Disgusted at April 15, 2014 11:47 AM (thLL The Party of Invertebrates

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 15, 2014 07:51 AM (IXrOn)

59 If the numbers were helpful you would not be able to avoid seeing them, they would be trumpted in everything. NBC would probably have a special week where all the shows incorporate how to find the numbers.

Posted by: blaster at April 15, 2014 07:51 AM (4+AaH)

60 53 This program is so good that it is literally illegal not to purchase. And the government is spending millions in advertising it.

Posted by: redenzo at April 15, 2014 11:50 AM (WCnJW)

 

And giving waivers to cronies all over the place.

Posted by: Insomniac at April 15, 2014 07:51 AM (DrWcr)

61 hahahahahaha, just like how the Republicans were talking down Clinton's economy in 2000, Republicans today are talking down obamacare.

Posted by: Soothsayer the Unstompable at April 15, 2014 07:51 AM (HC3oE)

62 No kidding. I can't wait until the common phrase is "There is no news at NBC, and there is no truth in...well, any of them."

Posted by: no good deed at April 15, 2014 07:51 AM (ILBCY)

63 45 At some point, Pravda and Izvestia became open jokes to the population at which they were targeted. NBC is pretty close to the same point. Yep. Pravda and Tass mean "news" and "truth." The old Soviet-era joke was "There's no news in the truth and no truth in the news."

Posted by: Citizen X at April 15, 2014 07:51 AM (7ObY1)

64 >>>>At the end of the day, it will be nothing more than a tax increase. --------- Except that this is the tax increase that gives Lois Lerner access to your medical records. An STD can be an embarrassing thing if you're a critic of the Administration.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at April 15, 2014 07:51 AM (lDhlB)

65 Maddog, i shan't look at your lin, will not, won't , Nope. runs mouse over. no clickey (see i learn after a time)

Posted by: willow at April 15, 2014 07:52 AM (nqBYe)

66 F%*king balls.

Posted by: Pravda at April 15, 2014 07:52 AM (pgQxn)

67 "The airport has not fallen!  There are no American tanks in Baghdad!"

Posted by: richard mcenroe at April 15, 2014 07:53 AM (XO6WW)

68 Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at April 15, 2014 11:51 AM (lDhlB) You think I need your medical records to start insinuating you have an STD?

Posted by: Harry Reid at April 15, 2014 07:53 AM (HDwDg)

69 Is there any measure of anything the government isn't cooking, concealing, or creating from nothing? And to have the media helping.... Fcku all the things.

Posted by: Beagle at April 15, 2014 07:53 AM (sOtz/)

70 *don't be surprised if you hear Rush co-opt that talking down phrase today on his show. He borrows a lot of my stuff.

Posted by: Soothsayer the Unstompable at April 15, 2014 07:53 AM (HC3oE)

71 An STD can be an embarrassing thing if you're a critic of the Administration. Posted by: Cicero ______________________ Or a qualification.

Posted by: Jay Carney at April 15, 2014 07:53 AM (yFb77)

72 Off Off Lying sock.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) (No Really!) [/b] [/i] [/s] at April 15, 2014 07:53 AM (HDwDg)

73 On Stats? This administration has discovered that it is not important what the Stat is, its only important how you count that Stat.... Inflation, unemployment.... voter fraud... Illegal immigration.... When you control those who decide what is counted, what not... you control the narrative.

Posted by: Romeo13 at April 15, 2014 07:53 AM (84gbM)

74 Hey, my basement is totally flooded! Damned pump died, only four months old. Time to wade in and try to Fonzie it back into running. Plumber won't be here until Thursday, six more inches of water and my oil burner will be swamped. Going to try to siphon water out using a garden hose, otherwise it's buckets until my friend gets here with either a small pump or some other plan.

Posted by: Lincolntf at April 15, 2014 07:53 AM (ZshNr)

75 A reminder that the primary campaign message by every GOP candidate down to the local zoning board should be repeal Obamacare. Example: Q: What is your position on changing set back lines for commercial projects? A. All I know is we would have a lot more commercial projects and jobs if we repealed Obamacare, which my opponent supports.

Posted by: SH at April 15, 2014 07:54 AM (gmeXX)

76 Demtards think their taxes won't go up when taxes go up on "the rich".
***
I've often thought that a Republican party interested in actually implementing conservative politics could make a lot of progress by offering taxes aimed squarely at Democrat constituencies.

The Dems would fight them tooth and nail...but that is the point.

Posted by: 18-1 at April 15, 2014 07:54 AM (78TbK)

77 On Stats? This administration has discovered that it is not important what the Stat is, its only important how you count that Stat.... Inflation, unemployment.... voter fraud... Illegal immigration.... When you control those who decide what is counted, what not... you control the narrative. Posted by: Romeo13 at April 15, 2014 11:53 AM (84gbM) ----- Sooooo..... they arpproach stats the same way they approach ballots???

Posted by: fixerupper at April 15, 2014 07:54 AM (nELVU)

78 Per CMAG's Elizabeth Wilner, number of anti-Obamacare commericials since March 31: 32
Number of pro-Obamacare commercials: 0 (2/2)







They don't need to pay for advertising when they have the MFM lying and cheerleading for it non-stop

Posted by: TheQuietMan at April 15, 2014 07:55 AM (1Jaio)

79 Yeah, because that TWO FUCKING WEEKS made all the difference in the world after 4 years of cheerleading this bullshit and the past 6 months of it on the taxpayers' dime.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at April 15, 2014 11:46 AM (HLprW)



#twoweeks

Posted by: EC at April 15, 2014 07:56 AM (GQ8sn)

80 God, the Media is full of ass-heads.  Too bad they represent all the power in the nation.

Posted by: Null at April 15, 2014 07:57 AM (DuH+r)

81 ok prior to march: the media, hollywood , newspapers all over the land touting and being a full time AD campaign for the Absolute rightness of Obamacare is ignored.

Posted by: willow at April 15, 2014 07:57 AM (nqBYe)

82 We kind of like Ocare here in Ohio.

Posted by: John Kasich at April 15, 2014 07:57 AM (thLL8)

83 Is there any measure of anything the government isn't cooking, concealing, or creating from nothing?
***
Number of people in the workforce cratering..."unemployment" going down...

Inflation non-existent...but the price of food has doubled in five years...

etc...etc....etc

Posted by: 18-1 at April 15, 2014 07:57 AM (78TbK)

84 When talking about Obamacare with my parents at supper last week, we mentioned how it hasn't affected Tricare yet and how we're so thankful that we don't have to worry about rising costs and cutbacks in care. My mother sniffed that the promise of free healthcare is what got us into this mess in the first place. Immediately, I reminded her that my husband agreed to get SHOT AT for his "free" healthcare. She shut up after that.

Posted by: pookysgirl at April 15, 2014 07:58 AM (9+kKl)

85 I've often thought that a Republican party interested in actually implementing conservative politics could make a lot of progress by offering taxes aimed squarely at Democrat constituencies.

The Dems would fight them tooth and nail...but that is the point.

Posted by: 18-1 at April 15, 2014 11:54 AM (78TbK)



That Republican party was killed by the Bushes and Rove.  Now it's shamnesty and crony capitalism.

Posted by: Captain Hate at April 15, 2014 07:58 AM (dr4EY)

86 anyway, does this guy actually Buy his premise or is He hoping the rest of the country does?

Posted by: willow at April 15, 2014 07:58 AM (nqBYe)

87 "This program is so good that it is literally illegal not to purchase. And the government is spending millions in advertising it."


I had some liberal brainchild respond to my comment about being forced to buy insurance with "You don't have to; you can elect to pay the fine instead."


These assholes couldn't achieve room temperature IQs in a walk-in fridge.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at April 15, 2014 07:58 AM (HLprW)

88 86 anyway, does this guy actually Buy his premise or is He hoping the rest of the country does? Posted by: willow at April 15, 2014 11:58 AM (nqBYe) No and yes.

Posted by: joncelli at April 15, 2014 07:58 AM (RD7QR)

89 What will turn this around is a good ole Obama talking to to the nation wearing a White Lab Coat. Let him be perfectly clear - and wear a White Lab Coat.

Posted by: Chaos the Other Dark Meat at April 15, 2014 07:58 AM (oDCMR)

90 @48 California got 1 billion all by itself to market obaamcare. Much like obamacare itself, noone knows how much this is all going to cost in the end. Somwhere between a metric shit ton and and an imperial fuckton

Posted by: Kreplach at April 15, 2014 07:59 AM (IyKYr)

91 >>>I've often thought that a Republican party interested in actually implementing conservative politics could make a lot of progress by offering taxes aimed squarely at Democrat constituencies. -------- Aha. I think I found your problem right there.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at April 15, 2014 07:59 AM (lDhlB)

92 Why don't they just full-on dictator and declare 99.4% enrollment* and 100% satisfaction with Obamacare? *Advertisements always use the 99.4% instead of 100% so you think it's not fake. *wink, wink*

Posted by: Lizzy at April 15, 2014 07:59 AM (IdOTf)

93 @  74

  Sure, slide on down into a flooded basement and toy with an electric device. 

   Better call your friend and hurry him along.

Posted by: irongrampa at April 15, 2014 07:59 AM (SAMxH)

94 unexpectedly!

Posted by: redc1c4 at April 15, 2014 08:00 AM (q+fqH)

95 Get them to say Eraca Mabo!

Posted by: Mister Mxyzptlk at April 15, 2014 08:01 AM (pgQxn)

96 You know, a fireside chat in a Father Knows Best sweater would complete Barky's transformation into Carter without the competence. Which is why I long for this.

Posted by: joncelli at April 15, 2014 08:01 AM (RD7QR)

97 This Murray asshat is the "the story of obama" asshat.


Posted by: EC at April 15, 2014 08:01 AM (GQ8sn)

98 Guess they forgot all about pajama boy and the "Obamacare will let be be a complete skank and fuck every guy I see!" ads.

Posted by: buzzion at April 15, 2014 08:01 AM (LI48c)

99 98 Guess they forgot all about pajama boy and the "Obamacare will let be be a complete skank and fuck every guy I see!" ads.

Posted by: buzzion at April 15, 2014 12:01 PM (LI48c)

 

Keg stand, bra!

Posted by: Insomniac at April 15, 2014 08:02 AM (DrWcr)

100 Obama to dance on the graves of the Boston bombing victims today. What a disgrace.

Posted by: Beyond Disgusted at April 15, 2014 08:02 AM (thLL8)

101 Who needs the Census Bureau. Everyone must answer the question on their tax return whether they have health insurance. Won't that answer the question for us?

Posted by: SH at April 15, 2014 08:02 AM (gmeXX)

102 ACA opponents have sole control over the airwaves Attention all planets of the Solar Federation ...

Posted by: Elder Race of ACA Opponents at April 15, 2014 08:02 AM (fOLwM)

103 ugh

Posted by: phoenixgirl @phxazgrl Happy Personal Wealth Confiscation Day at April 15, 2014 08:02 AM (u8GsB)

104

Has anybody else been contacted by the Census Bureau wanting dettails info on everybody living in you house?  I have been called twice now  

 

Posted by: Big Swingin Al at April 15, 2014 08:03 AM (iWo0u)

105 Here is a bigger question. Why is the census bureau collecting stats on us? The Constitution authorizes a census every 10 years. That is it, nothing more.

Posted by: SH at April 15, 2014 08:04 AM (gmeXX)

106 104 Has anybody else been contacted by the Census Bureau wanting dettails info on everybody living in you house? I have been called twice now Posted by: Big Swingin Al at April 15, 2014 12:03 PM (iWo0u) If they ask what you're wearing, hang up.

Posted by: joncelli at April 15, 2014 08:04 AM (RD7QR)

107 Surprisingly, that's actually not the case. Surprisingly, that doesn't surprise me.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 15, 2014 08:05 AM (CRyse)

108 Obama to dance on the graves of the Boston bombing victims today. There is no date, no anniversary, no news story, no man, woman or child he won't take advantage of. It's all about him. I wish him all the misery in the world when it's no longer all about him.

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at April 15, 2014 08:05 AM (pgQxn)

109 Mark Murray ‏@mmurraypolitics 2h First Read: More good news for Obamacare; CBO says costs, premiums lower than expected

Posted by: RWC at April 15, 2014 08:05 AM (fWAjv)

110 >>Here is a bigger question. Why is the census bureau collecting stats on us? The Constitution authorizes a census every 10 years. That is it, nothing more. Wasn't one of Obama's first actions as president moving the Census bureau responsibilities under WH control?

Posted by: Lizzy at April 15, 2014 08:06 AM (IdOTf)

111 If they ask what you're wearing, hang up.

Posted by: joncelli at April 15, 2014 12:04 PM (RD7QR)

 

Uh...khakis.

Posted by: Jake from State Farm at April 15, 2014 08:06 AM (DrWcr)

112 Here is a bigger question. Why is the census bureau collecting stats on us? The Constitution authorizes a census every 10 years. That is it, nothing more.


That budget ain't gonna justify itself you know.


Use It or Lose It!™ Federal budgeting. What could possibly go wrong?

Posted by: Burn the Witch at April 15, 2014 08:06 AM (HLprW)

113 This is something Rand Paul should get behind. I think it would be cheap political points. The census bureau should do one thing and only do it every 10 years - count people.

Posted by: SH at April 15, 2014 08:06 AM (gmeXX)

114 Mark Murray ‏@mmurraypolitics 2h My penis grows by leaps and bounds, now measure 4 inches.

Posted by: Mark Murray at April 15, 2014 08:07 AM (RD7QR)

115 In NoIllinois there was a crawl at the bottom of all the news feeds for a week before the deadline. Yellow and blue. At first, I thought it was a news item because I had never seen anything like that before other than some kind of breaking news or weather alert, although those were in different colors. Strange.

Posted by: Mustbequantum at April 15, 2014 08:07 AM (MIKMs)

116 What is the difference between a taxidermist and a tax collector? The taxidermist takes only your skin. - Mark Twain A government that robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul.- George Bernard Shaw

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 15, 2014 08:07 AM (aDwsi)

117 @83 18-1 Food is up 20% this year I think I read. But yeah, inflation still rock solid and low.

Posted by: Beagle at April 15, 2014 08:08 AM (sOtz/)

118 I guess Barky has no intention of "telling better stories", per his whining about his programs' unpopularities about two years ago. Cheese 'n' rice, he is one exceptionally lazy affirmative action wave-through.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars™ [/i] [/s] [/u] at April 15, 2014 08:09 AM (yc4Nt)

119 CBO says costs, premiums lower than expected


I wonder what the CBO is going to say next FQ.


GIGO baby.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at April 15, 2014 08:09 AM (HLprW)

120 Posted by: Beagle at April 15, 2014 12:08 PM (sOtz/) Gas just hit $4.20 here in California... but that of course, is not counted...

Posted by: Romeo13 at April 15, 2014 08:09 AM (84gbM)

121 I had some liberal brainchild respond to my comment about being forced to buy insurance with "You don't have to; you can elect to pay the fine instead." Same is true of the speed limit. It doesn't really compel you not to speed. You can elect to pay the fine instead.

Posted by: blaster at April 15, 2014 08:09 AM (4+AaH)

122 Or the ads running on the NBA games. Those must have been cunningly disguised GOP hatchet-jobs, to make racists not want to sign up. LAYERS within LAYERS sheeple!!

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at April 15, 2014 08:09 AM (6mYGI)

123 So more of the same then:

MFM: ACA, great success! Big numbers!

Citizen: B-B-But, they didn't release any actual data. Who paid? They're calculating it diff//

MFM: //Silence! ACA is great success! Look at the big number, you denier. Why are you angry about people getting healthcare?!

Posted by: forest at April 15, 2014 08:09 AM (stMuz)

124 Lying about OCare = LOSING! Murray = Idiot or Partisan Hack (choose one or both)

Posted by: Pelosi Schmelosi at April 15, 2014 08:10 AM (jHf6U)

125 "ACA opponents have sole control over the airwaves" What the everlovin' fcuk is that groveling asshat talking about? I guess that he thinks there really is a Kochtopia and he is being held captive against hi will in it.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars™ [/i] [/s] [/u] at April 15, 2014 08:12 AM (v/itI)

126 Speaking of ads, I saw a Covered California ad last night that had nothing to do with signing up. It was an ad telling people to talk to their little children, because that will help them develop. Who doesn't know that?? And why is our money being spent on that??

Once you look at the ad you will know why. I wish I could find it on line, but it has various parents of various ethnicities talking happily to their children.  All parents except one were good, involved parents except one: the white woman. She was ignoring her crying baby for her smart phone. All the minority parents and the white male were good. White woman, bad.

Racism, straight up, and I'm not kidding. We are getting "reeducated" by our betters.

Posted by: PJ at April 15, 2014 08:12 AM (ZWaLo)

127 Sure, slide on down into a flooded basement and toy with an electric device. Better call your friend and hurry him along. ------------------ My thoughts exactly.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 15, 2014 08:12 AM (aDwsi)

128 NBA = Nothing But Apparatchiks

Posted by: Citizen X at April 15, 2014 08:12 AM (7ObY1)

129 I had some liberal brainchild respond to my comment about being forced to buy insurance with "You don't have to; you can elect to pay the fine instead." ---- That like a saying my Dad had. You can do whatever the hell you want to.... as long as youre willing to bear the consequences.

Posted by: fixerupper at April 15, 2014 08:12 AM (nELVU)

130  You can elect to pay the fine instead.
***
And if you refuse to pay the fine...?

Posted by: 18-1 at April 15, 2014 08:13 AM (78TbK)

131 such a great program that you have to make it illegal not to join. Everyone answer 'no' when the survey comes out. To every question.

Posted by: airandee at April 15, 2014 08:13 AM (KzwzI)

132

They aren't buying their own baloney, yet they insist that everyone else do so.

 

"This is the safest ship ever built."

"Really?  So, when's your first voyage?"

"Me?   Do you think I'm nuts?"

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Snow! AHHHHHHHH! at April 15, 2014 08:14 AM (hLRSq)

133 Gas just hit $4.20 here in California... but that of course, is not counted... I love how the news reports are making excuses for the prices now - "Summer blend! Save Gaia! It's lower than it was when it was really high! More people not driving to work and saving all that gas money!"

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at April 15, 2014 08:14 AM (pgQxn)

134
As for the change of questionairre:  Remember when they changed how to calculate GDP last year which raised the new number by 2% or more comparatively.  The new number just gets stated and no one questions it.

So yeah, its good political strategy to do these things, because.....pravda.


Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 15, 2014 08:14 AM (hUf/y)

135 Posted by: PJ at April 15, 2014 12:12 PM (ZWaLo) And just why would there be ads at all... AFTER the sign up period is over? Oh.... and don't even try to get Health insurance now... companies here will not sell you a policy unless you either are suddenly unemployed, or have some other change in status... Thus... Health insurance brokers??? Obamacare has killed those jobs.

Posted by: Romeo13 at April 15, 2014 08:14 AM (84gbM)

136 So that's why I wasn't popular in high school! I needed to borrow billions of dollars from China for advertising and put everyone under threat of law who didn't agree with me. If I knew then...

Posted by: Damiano at April 15, 2014 08:15 AM (j0wOO)

137 130 You can elect to pay the fine instead. *** And if you refuse to pay the fine...? Are you familiar with the carnage an MRAP can deliver at ramming speed?

Posted by: Beyond Disgusted at April 15, 2014 08:15 AM (thLL8)

138 Didn't they expand the Individual Mandate hardship waiver to everyone who wants it?

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 15, 2014 08:15 AM (bitz6)

139 "CBO says costs, premiums lower than expected"

============

Uh, major provisions of the law are delayed.

So, yeah.

Posted by: Jay in PA at April 15, 2014 08:15 AM (3LaGb)

140
Everyone answer 'no' when the survey comes out. To every question.
***
Why yes, I am a Tibetan albino French speaker who does not have health insurance because I am Amish.

I have 17 children - 8 boys, 8 girls, and 1 other. I am married to both a man and a woman.

I work at a crossbow factory, and my job is chief spiritual officers.

I swear all of this is true so help me Obama

Posted by: 18-1 at April 15, 2014 08:16 AM (78TbK)

141 As for the change of questionairre: Remember when they changed how to calculate GDP last year which raised the new number by 2% or more comparatively. The new number just gets stated and no one questions it.


I was surprised how little coverage that even got in the blogosphere.


On a side note: I hate the word "blogosphere".

Posted by: Burn the Witch at April 15, 2014 08:16 AM (HLprW)

142 Isn't changing the questionnaire to hide the failure of Obamacare just the way that tire and mattress manufacturers dissuade people from making apples-to-apples price comparisons on their products?

Posted by: red speck at April 15, 2014 08:16 AM (9/Ug/)

143 More people not driving to work and saving all that gas money!" Posted by: Clutch --------------------- Unemployment is the engine that drives our economy! - Nanci Pelosi, et al

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 15, 2014 08:16 AM (aDwsi)

144 Alex Sink decided to not run again in Nov.

Posted by: RWC at April 15, 2014 08:16 AM (fWAjv)

145 You can elect to pay the fine instead. *** And if you refuse to pay the fine...? Posted by: 18-1 at April 15, 2014 12:13 PM (78TbK) ---- Well.... they dont call us "BLAM" for nuthing.

Posted by: Newly Out of Work BLM Shooters at April 15, 2014 08:17 AM (nELVU)

146 140 Piker.

Posted by: Long Bowyer at April 15, 2014 08:17 AM (bitz6)

147 On a side note: I hate the word "blogosphere". Posted by: Burn ----------------- Blogobubble?

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 15, 2014 08:17 AM (aDwsi)

148 Blogbubble?

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 15, 2014 08:18 AM (aDwsi)

149 If you don't like how the numbers add up, create new math!

Posted by: Democrats at April 15, 2014 08:18 AM (j0wOO)

150 149 If you don't like how the numbers add up, create new math! Posted by: Democrats at April 15, 2014 12:18 PM (j0wOO) Just using 'friendly numbers'!

Posted by: Common Core at April 15, 2014 08:18 AM (84gbM)

151

It also ignores all the friendly media coverage people like him give it.

 

 

They never count this. They canÂ’t. If they included the overwhelming amount  of “free media” in any evaluation, the leftÂ’s relentless  efforts to restrict “paid media” messaging would look downright diabolical. Instead of the good government crusade that it surely must be.

Posted by: CJ at April 15, 2014 08:19 AM (9KqcB)

152 150 149 If you don't like how the numbers add up, create new math! Posted by: Democrats at April 15, 2014 12:18 PM (j0wOO) Just using 'friendly numbers'! Posted by: Common Core at April 15, 2014 12:18 PM (84gbM) Yeah.... but yer making us look bad....

Posted by: i and pi at April 15, 2014 08:19 AM (84gbM)

153 I think the individual mandate tax is dead until 2016 if you feel it is a hardship.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 15, 2014 08:20 AM (bitz6)

154 Those are my numbers, and if you don't like them... well, I have others

Posted by: Groucho Obama at April 15, 2014 08:20 AM (78TbK)

155 I love how 'the best Presidential communicator' ever constantly blames the failure and opposition to his policies on the inability of the typical mouth-breathing voter to appreciate the policies because the benefits weren't communicated effectively.

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at April 15, 2014 08:21 AM (AC0lD)

156 What about the Alonzo Morning healthcare ads, didn't they air in the Final Four?

Posted by: Boone at April 15, 2014 08:21 AM (aDkn+)

157 Just pay it with Monopoly Money.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 15, 2014 08:21 AM (bitz6)

158 Breaking. MSLSD's Lawrence O'Donnell hospitalized from injuries he sustained in a car wreck while traveling oveseas. LO insisted he be flown to the US to take advantage of the ACA. That is all

Posted by: Regular no spin zone Guy at April 15, 2014 08:21 AM (N3Al8)

159 153 I think the individual mandate tax is dead until 2016 if you feel it is a hardship. Posted by: Boss Moss at April 15, 2014 12:20 PM (bitz6) And those of us whose rates skyrocketed due to OCare? Do we get to claim a hardship and not pay the increased rate?

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at April 15, 2014 08:21 AM (da5Wo)

160

The Social Security Administration announced Monday that it will immediately cease efforts to collect on taxpayersÂ’ debts to the government that are more than 10 years old.

The action comes after The Washington Post reported that the government was seizing state and federal tax refunds that were on their way to about 400,000 Americans who had relatives who owed money to Social Security. In many cases, the people whose refunds were intercepted had never heard of any debt, and the debts dated as far back as the middle of the past century. . . .


Some good news at least, I stole the above from Insty.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 15, 2014 08:21 AM (hUf/y)

161 If they included the overwhelming amount of “free media” in any evaluation, the left’s relentless efforts to restrict “paid media” messaging would look downright diabolical
***
Evan Thomas estimated it at a swing of 15%. Consider where we would be politically if you moved the average American election 30% to the right...

Posted by: 18-1 at April 15, 2014 08:21 AM (78TbK)

162
What about the Alonzo Morning healthcare ads, didn't they air in the Final Four?

Those don't count in the new math.

Posted by: NBC Hack at April 15, 2014 08:23 AM (hUf/y)

163 "CBO says costs, premiums lower than expected" ============ Uh, major provisions of the law are delayed. So, yeah. Posted by: Jay in PA at April 15, 2014 12:15 PM (3LaGb) Ah bullshit. All other public and private "Institutes" say premiums and costs are increasing at a faster rate than any time in the last 30 years

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 15, 2014 08:23 AM (t3UFN)

164 And those of us whose rates skyrocketed due to OCare? Do we get to claim a hardship and not pay the increased rate?
***
In the new Feudalism, the role of the serf is to do the work for the good of everyone else.

 Or as Obama might say, you'd think these people would be thanking me...

Posted by: 18-1 at April 15, 2014 08:23 AM (78TbK)

165

Blogbubble?

 

Digital Circle-Jerk?

Posted by: Colorado Alex at April 15, 2014 08:23 AM (tIvOy)

166 1 in 10 uninsured eligible for O'care actually signed up.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 15, 2014 08:24 AM (bitz6)

167 Posted by: i and pi at April 15, 2014 12:19 PM (84gbM) ---- ... courtesy the Atlanta Rhythm Section ♪Imaginary Numbers never turn you down. When all the others turn you away theyre around. When ordinary numbers Don't feel what you feel And real-life situations lose their thrill Imagination's unreal Imaginary number, imaginary number You're mine anytime ♫

Posted by: fixeruppers at April 15, 2014 08:24 AM (nELVU)

168 It wouldn't be a bad gig if I didn't have to move so frequently.

Posted by: goal posts at April 15, 2014 08:24 AM (Ua6T/)

169 We kind of like Ocare here in Ohio. Posted by: John Kasich ________________________ Thanks, John. You're a rock. I loved it when you called the tax increase I negotiated with the Democrats a "dream come true." A rock. An absolute rock.

Posted by: Dick Darman at April 15, 2014 08:25 AM (yFb77)

170 Liberalism:  Failure Is Not Only An Option, It's Required

Posted by: Sharkman at April 15, 2014 08:26 AM (TM1p8)

171 Its dead desert turtles,  smelt, and XY bovine droppings all the way down.

Posted by: Count de Monet at April 15, 2014 08:26 AM (BAS5M)

172 I think I'm going to start calling the CBO the "i and pi' Agency... imaginary and irrational numbers...

Posted by: i and pi at April 15, 2014 08:26 AM (84gbM)

173 Again, why is the census bureau even asking who has healthcare. 1) it has nothing to do with a census, but 2) the tax forms being submitted today already provide the answer.

Posted by: SH at April 15, 2014 08:26 AM (gmeXX)

174 I don't need a policy that doesn't help with the first $6300 of expenses and only pays a fraction after that.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 15, 2014 08:27 AM (bitz6)

175 Thanks, John. You're a rock. I loved it when you called the tax increase I negotiated with the Democrats a "dream come true." A rock. An absolute rock.
___
You are most welcome my friend.

Oh, and you should send a thank you note to Mr Roberts. I tell you he is such a nice guy. His browser history is another story, but outside of that real stand up guy.

Posted by: The NSA at April 15, 2014 08:27 AM (78TbK)

176 >>>"CBO says costs, premiums lower than expected" Yes! We are also slaying in infidel invaders in droves! They are fleeing out of fear our magnificent Revolutionary Guard!

Posted by: Bagdad Bob at April 15, 2014 08:27 AM (j0wOO)

177 2) the tax forms being submitted today already provide the answer. Posted by: SH at April 15, 2014 12:26 PM (gmeXX) The question on this years tax form was voluntary.... there for those of us who pay quarterly taxes..

Posted by: i and pi at April 15, 2014 08:28 AM (84gbM)

178 Again, why is the census bureau even asking who has healthcare. 1) it has nothing to do with a census, but 2) the tax forms being submitted today already provide the answer.
***
How will they know if they got most of the illegals signed up otherwise?

Posted by: 18-1 at April 15, 2014 08:28 AM (78TbK)

179 Evan Thomas estimated it at a swing of 15%. Consider where we would be politically if you moved the average American election 30% to the right... Posted by: 18-1 ___________________ Haven't had the stomach to run the numbers since 2004, but the 15% swing would have taken a close election where GWB narrowly beat Lerch to GWB winning 58.8% of the popular vote and the electoral college by 485-53. Depressing, huh?

Posted by: Furious George at April 15, 2014 08:29 AM (yFb77)

180 Don't Census Years end in 0? I'm not filling out that crap.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 15, 2014 08:29 AM (bitz6)

181 The plug is located near the bulkhead door, I unplugged it before I got near the water. Stupid thing is mounted in place to a steel stake, until I can get some water out it's useless trying to detach it.

Posted by: Lincolntf at April 15, 2014 08:29 AM (ZshNr)

182

But the administration has been unable to say how many of the people gaining coverage were previously uninsured or had policies canceled, so the net increase in coverage is unclear.

 

I admire the mediaÂ’s newfound  patience in finding out  whether or not what a president is claiming  is actually true. They know  the answers  will reveal themselves eventually. ItÂ’s an organic process. Partisans rush such things.  Journalists let it play out.

 

 

Posted by: CJ at April 15, 2014 08:30 AM (9KqcB)

183 It was an ad telling people to talk to their little children, because that will help them develop. Who doesn't know that??

Large swaths of the FSA.  Ask any public school kindergarten teacher in *cough* districts where the HS dropout rate is over 10% *cough.

Posted by: HR at April 15, 2014 08:31 AM (ZKzrr)

184 Everyone answer 'no' when the survey comes out. To every question. *** Why yes, I am a Tibetan albino French speaker who does not have health insurance because I am Amish. I have 17 children - 8 boys, 8 girls, and 1 other. I am married to both a man and a woman. I work at a crossbow factory, and my job is chief spiritual officers. I swear all of this is true so help me Obama Posted by: 18-1 at April 15, 2014 12:16 PM (78TbK) every year the schools send home the "beginning of the year packet" emergency forms, free or supplemented school lunch qualification form, and my personal favorite....the "what was the language your child first spoke at home form" i have four kids....i hate school...i hate the forms the school sends home...i hate that i had to fill these forms out in quadriplicate ......extremely irritated, when my older girl was entering her soph yr in hs, i had her fill hers out when it came to the question about what was her first language, she asked me if she should put baby talk....we laughed & then i said no put "icelandic"....she did....she turned the form in....at the end of the year she gets called to the vice principals office.....& gets yelled at ..has the form tossed across the desk at her....& the vp quizzing her up and down about her first language...my poor kid....A NEW FORM comes home requesting me to fill out honestly becasue apparently they don't keep any of the previous years forms that all said english...and it's against some law here in az to fill it out deceptively....bureaucratic assholes....no sense of humour

Posted by: phoenixgirl @phxazgrl Happy Personal Wealth Confiscation Day at April 15, 2014 08:31 AM (u8GsB)

185 Note... the President released his Tax returns for this year... Even though he has rent, food, and expenses, provided by his job.... ANY of which others would have to pay taxes on.... He paid an effective tax rate of 20%... I'm the working poor.... I paid a tax rate of 22%... So much for the graduated income tax...

Posted by: Romeo13 at April 15, 2014 08:31 AM (84gbM)

186 If they ask what you're wearing, hang up. Posted by: joncelli at April 15, 2014 12:04 PM (RD7QR) Uh...khakis. Posted by: Jake from State Farm She sounds hideous!

Posted by: rickb223 at April 15, 2014 08:32 AM (CRyse)

187 This confirms my belief that I can trust absolutely no numbers from any government, but especially the federal one, that purport to indicate anything at all about the real world. Note: I view any MSM publication of "statistics" or numerical data with even more skepticism.

Posted by: Hrothgar at April 15, 2014 08:32 AM (o3MSL)

188

Got  billed $2700 for anesthesiology for my  teen son's eye surgery.  Challenged it and kept asking   (nicely)  for a corrected  amount.

 

As in, "I'm not paying for both a DR  and a Nurse/Student at the same rate."  Then reqested a discount for being self-pay  and not a big pockets insurance company.

 

Adjusted/corrected bill was $850.

 

Self-pay    FTW.

 

 

Posted by: Count de Monet at April 15, 2014 08:32 AM (BAS5M)

189 Nevergiveup, The CBO report is discussing federal spending and premium costs for plans in the ACA exchanges.

Posted by: Jay in PA at April 15, 2014 08:33 AM (3LaGb)

190 we laughed & then i said no put "icelandic"....she did....she turned the form in....at the end of the year she gets called to the vice principals office.....& gets yelled at
***
She should have said something to the effect of "Horka Borka Forka Boo!"

Also, she could have done a presentation on Bork in celebration of Icelandic culture.

Posted by: 18-1 at April 15, 2014 08:33 AM (78TbK)

191 So much for the graduated income tax... Posted by: Romeo13 at April 15, 2014 12:31 PM (84gbM) So you agree that we should tax the rich more? I kid, I kid!

Posted by: Hrothgar at April 15, 2014 08:34 AM (o3MSL)

192 Did those giant Teddy Bears ever bring Bjork back?

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 15, 2014 08:34 AM (bitz6)

193 He paid an effective tax rate of 20%...

I'm the working poor.... I paid a tax rate of 22%...
***
The "beauty" of the current system is that those who are connected can abuse the system to  pay little to no tax.

A simple system like a flat tax or a national sales tax would make that impossible.

Posted by: 18-1 at April 15, 2014 08:35 AM (78TbK)

194 Large swaths of the FSA. Ask any public school kindergarten teacher in *cough* districts where the HS dropout rate is over 10% *cough. Posted by: HR at April 15, 2014 12:31 PM (ZKzrr) Yup, there are large portions of the population that do nothing to prepare their children. My wife had a conference with the mother of a kid who was way behind. Mom of the Year "How can he be behind? How can he be failing? Don't they all come in here knowing nothing??" On the first day of school she would go through the process of asking each kid their names and what they liked, just talking with them and trying to get them comfortable. One year she asked a kid "What's your first name?" "Robert" "What's your last name?" *very confused look* "Robert" "Your name is Robert Robert?" "No! My name is Robert abc!" "Well, that's what I asked you." *confused look*

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at April 15, 2014 08:35 AM (da5Wo)

195 He' so smart he won't show his college transcripts.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 15, 2014 08:36 AM (bitz6)

196 The "beauty" of the current system is that those who are connected can abuse the system to pay little to no tax. A simple system like a flat tax or a national sales tax would make that impossible. Which is why it'll never happen.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 15, 2014 08:36 AM (CRyse)

197 If you have any contact with the census, ask THEM all the standard questions... drives 'em nuts... if they start getting cranky ask them if they've ever been to Kentucky...

Posted by: Pitchers of Bloody Moon Mary's at April 15, 2014 08:37 AM (vHRtU)

198 Posted by: phoenixgirl @phxazgrl Happy Personal Wealth Confiscation Day at April 15, 2014 12:31 PM (u8GsB) I've been using Gaelic as the "home" language of choice for all government forms for a while.

Posted by: Hrothgar at April 15, 2014 08:38 AM (o3MSL)

199 So you agree that we should tax the rich more?
***
The fairest system would be to compute the budget and the # of citizens divide the former by the latter and send everyone a bill.

It is beyond odd that fair is now defined as not only charging people different amounts, but flat out different rates.

It would be as if Comcast didn't charge everyone $120/mo (or whatever), but instead gave one guy who was friends with someone at Comcast $60/mo, charged some random guy $120, and then for some pure schmuck that the Comcast CEO didn't like charged him $1M/mo.

And this...is fair?

Posted by: 18-1 at April 15, 2014 08:39 AM (78TbK)

200 at the end of the year she gets called to the vice principals office.....& gets yelled at ..has the form tossed across the desk at her....& the vp quizzing her up and down about her first language...



Should have mentioned "lawyer" and "harassment". 



Posted by: EC at April 15, 2014 08:39 AM (GQ8sn)

201 I've been using Gaelic as the "home" language of choice for all government forms for a while. Posted by: Hrothgar at April 15, 2014 12:38 PM (o3MSL) *chokes* Lovely. You know, I've actually got a program at home to learn Gaelic. I need to do that at some point.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at April 15, 2014 08:40 AM (da5Wo)

202 I never fill those forms out. Neither did my Dad. My Great Grand Mother filled one out in the late 1920's.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 15, 2014 08:40 AM (bitz6)

203 Which is why it'll never happen. Posted by: rickb223 at April 15, 2014 12:36 PM (CRyse) If you think your representatives in Congress will ever give up even a "smidgen" of their perks and protected class status, think again. The flat consumption based tax is simple, fair, and pretty unavoidable, but as you said.

Posted by: Hrothgar at April 15, 2014 08:40 AM (o3MSL)

204 Ah, the old "You're Not Doing It Right" gambit.

Posted by: Retard Strength Trumps Smart Power at April 15, 2014 08:40 AM (27KAF)

205 And this...is fair?

Posted by: 18-1 at April 15, 2014 12:39 PM (78TbK)



It's "progressive".

Posted by: EC at April 15, 2014 08:40 AM (GQ8sn)

206 Conservatives control the media.

Posted by: Bearded Spock at April 15, 2014 08:40 AM (mizYg)

207 If I lived on the right coast, I would go take a shit on Speedbump's grave - in honor of Bammy!

Posted by: Pug Form 4868 at April 15, 2014 08:41 AM (8c12T)

208 You know what my healthcare cost me in the past year? $175. Total. Got an eye infection. - Went to the doctor- $100 - Bought prescription- $75 If I had Obamacare, the same treatment would have cost me over $3600 in premiums plus $175 since it was under the deductible. Next year it will cost me 1% of my total income. (side note: another compelling reason to go Galt. Can't tax what I don't earn) I understand that I am fortunate to be healthy and don't have to take thousands of dollars in medication and don't need hundreds of thousands in medical treatments. You know who else doesn't need thousands in medication and hundreds of thousands in medical treatments? Illegal aliens, people going to the doctor for stubbed toes and sniffles, people who want birth control, people who are curious about their blood pressure... Insurance IS NOT and SHOULD NEVER BE welfare. It should cover catastrophic illness only. Otherwise, pay your damn bill. Guess what? When people stop deciding to go to the doctor because they stubbed their toe, demand AND PRICES go down. The reason healthcare costs have and will continue to skyrocket is BECAUSE of "insurance", not in spite of it.

Posted by: Damiano at April 15, 2014 08:41 AM (j0wOO)

209 I'm still trying to get the hang of this sockpuppet name thing. Its main drawback seems to be that no one will ever know how clever you were!

Posted by: zombie at April 15, 2014 08:42 AM (mizYg)

210 I've been using Gaelic as the "home" language of choice for all government forms for a while. Posted by: Hrothgar at April 15, 2014 12:38 PM (o3MSL) lol....the language form was to get some kind of money for the schools esl program...i think the vp was pissed there would be no money coming in....she's such a fool she was quizzing my daughter up and down trying to determine if she could understand & speak english fluently....

Posted by: phoenixgirl @phxazgrl Happy Personal Wealth Confiscation Day at April 15, 2014 08:43 AM (u8GsB)

211

The fairest system would be to compute the budget and the # of citizens divide the former by the latter and send everyone a bill.

 

Send it to the states.  Let them handle collecting the money however they see fit.  If California wants an income tax, then so be it.  If North Dakota wants to pay its share through taxing oil companies, let them.

Posted by: Colorado Alex at April 15, 2014 08:43 AM (tIvOy)

212

Evan Thomas estimated it at a swing of 15%. Consider where we would be politically if you moved the average American election 30% to the right...

 

UCLA Prof. Tim Groseclose says it gives Dems a 8-10% edge.

 

The Freakonomics guys say this about his book:

 

As the title suggests, it has a definite conservative slant. It is not, however, a right-wing rant by any means. Rather, it is a carefully researched and amusingly written book by a highly regarded academic.

 

http://bit.ly/RmdGFX

 

 

 

Posted by: CJ at April 15, 2014 08:43 AM (9KqcB)

213 209 Hash. F3.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 15, 2014 08:43 AM (bitz6)

214 Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at April 15, 2014 12:40 PM (da5Wo) I think I need a program, I started with this one: A New Gaelic Primer: Containing Elements of Pronunciation, an Abridged Grammar, Formation of Words, a List of Gaelic and Welsh Vocables of Like Signification, Also a Copious Vocabulary Author James F. Munro but it is tough sledding

Posted by: Hrothgar at April 15, 2014 08:44 AM (o3MSL)

215 Should have mentioned "lawyer" and "harassment". Posted by: EC at April 15, 2014 12:39 PM (GQ8sn) ....in icelandic....bwah!!!!!

Posted by: phoenixgirl @phxazgrl Happy Personal Wealth Confiscation Day at April 15, 2014 08:44 AM (u8GsB)

216 Babytalk.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 15, 2014 08:44 AM (bitz6)

217 Guess you missed this Drew;

>>Obamacare Wins U.S. Bond Converts as Slowing Costs Tame CPI <<

Fun with math!

http://tinyurl.com/jwx2epx

Posted by: Marcus T at April 15, 2014 08:44 AM (GGCsk)

218 Danged windy here.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 15, 2014 08:45 AM (bitz6)

219 people who are curious about their blood pressure...

Did WalMart take out the machines where you could do that for a quarter?

Posted by: HR at April 15, 2014 08:45 AM (ZKzrr)

220 >>>And this...is fair? From each according to their ability, to each according to their need. To answer your question, yes. Liberals (and more than 52% of the country) think this is fair.

Posted by: Damiano at April 15, 2014 08:45 AM (j0wOO)

221 Its main drawback seems to be that no one will ever know how clever you were! Posted by: zombie at April 15, 2014 12:42 PM (mizYg) Sometimes you have to settle for deep personal satisfaction at your own brilliance!

Posted by: Hrothgar at April 15, 2014 08:45 AM (o3MSL)

222 219 It's free here at Sam's Club. Those things hurt my arm.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 15, 2014 08:46 AM (bitz6)

223 i thought i'd do something that would save me time & energy & my back...so i called a mobile groomer for my 115lbs gs puppy.....she shows up.....gets him in her trailer....he lays down....won't get up on the table to get lifted in the tub...so i had to go out and coax him up with cheese & biscuits.....then i had to help her lift & shove him in the tub......her tip is getting smaller.....

Posted by: phoenixgirl @phxazgrl Happy Personal Wealth Confiscation Day at April 15, 2014 08:47 AM (u8GsB)

224 Per CMAG's Elizabeth Wilner, number of anti-Obamacare commericials since March 31: 32 Number of pro-Obamacare commercials: 0

This is bull. I KNOW I have seen more of that stupid Magic Johnson ad in the past month, and there is one circulating of smiling happy hipsters telling me to sign up. Also, all the health care groups in my state are telling ppl to come check out their new plans, which to me is a subtle endorsement.

Are we sure this person is not in Colorado? Because they are certainly smoking something.

Posted by: LizLem at April 15, 2014 08:47 AM (yRwC8)

225 As for "answering census questions" -- by what mechanism do they ask you? In my entire life I have never encountered a census form or worker. Do they come to your door? Call? Mail you a questionnaire? Whatever it is, they certainly have never contacted me. I always thought the census was some kind of estimate -- they poll maybe 5% or 10% of the people and guesstimate the rest. Is this not the case?

Posted by: zombie at April 15, 2014 08:47 AM (mizYg)

226 I think I need a program, I started with this one: A New Gaelic Primer: Containing Elements of Pronunciation, an Abridged Grammar, Formation of Words, a List of Gaelic and Welsh Vocables of Like Signification, Also a Copious Vocabulary Author James F. Munro but it is tough sledding Posted by: Hrothgar at April 15, 2014 12:44 PM (o3MSL) That sounds....lovely. I've never even taken the wrapping off of mine...as my wife likes to remind me from time to time.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at April 15, 2014 08:47 AM (da5Wo)

227 Its main drawback seems to be that no one will ever know how clever you were!
Posted by: zombie at April 15, 2014 12:42 PM (mizYg)



If you want to claim credit for your cleverness, you should fill our the URL field in your posts to a static one, or just make one up.  That way, your nic will be highlighted in your posts.  A curious person can mouse-over your nic and will see the same, constant web address no matter how often you sock puppet.

Politcal Hat does this a lot.  He's the grandmaster sock here.

Posted by: EC at April 15, 2014 08:47 AM (GQ8sn)

228 And just why would there be ads at all... AFTER the sign up period is over?

Romeo, Since the white female was the sole bad parent in the ad, I would say the purpose is pandering and racism in order to get votes and to destroy the notion of family. And a lot of white people are unknowingly paying for this! 

Posted by: PJ at April 15, 2014 08:48 AM (ZWaLo)

229 The Fair Tax Plan is the best alternative system devised so far.

Posted by: jwest at April 15, 2014 08:48 AM (u2a4R)

230 people who are curious about their blood pressure... Did WalMart take out the machines where you could do that for a quarter? They put in free ones. Although, as I understand it, it is as hard as getting a picture id.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 15, 2014 08:48 AM (CRyse)

231 *confused look*

At that point in the conversation, he was probably expecting to get told to fuck off, because Boo is coming over and he don't like no kids.

...but it's my uterus selfishly destroying America.  Harrumph.

Posted by: HR at April 15, 2014 08:49 AM (ZKzrr)

232 So according to fox the IRS is considering taxing workers who receive free benefits through work such as free food, cell phones, shuttle services etc.

Posted by: Head Exploding at April 15, 2014 08:49 AM (Aif/5)

233 Let's put some numbers to it. The fed govt spent over $700 Million to promote obamacare. Almost 3/4 of a BILLION dollars. And yet this dumbass charlatan DNC propagandist from NBC chooses to ignore that. Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 15, 2014 11:49 AM (hUf/y) Yep, as redenzo and I'm sure others have pointed out, $700M for a product it is illegal not to own. And I love how airtime consists solely of 30 s - 1 min commercials. Nope, people don't skip commercials, especially when watching something previously recorded. And there's totally nothing else on the networks but commercials.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at April 15, 2014 08:49 AM (r+7wo)

234 thank goodness for my tax deductions...i mean children......

Posted by: phoenixgirl @phxazgrl Happy Personal Wealth Confiscation Day at April 15, 2014 08:50 AM (u8GsB)

235 The Fair Tax Plan is the best alternative system devised so far.

Posted by: jwest at April 15, 2014 12:48 PM (u2a4R)



If and when we are ever successful in implementing a consumption tax, there should be ironclad...fuck that....Adamantium clad laws that prevent any other kind of tax to be levied on top of it.



Posted by: EC at April 15, 2014 08:50 AM (GQ8sn)

236 I've never even taken the wrapping off of mine...as my wife likes to remind me from time to time. Running on Win 3.1? Doh!

Posted by: rickb223 at April 15, 2014 08:50 AM (CRyse)

237 Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at April 15, 2014 12:47 PM (da5Wo) Well, to be fair, that Primer was originally published in 1908 when the school system expected a bit more of their students!

Posted by: Hrothgar at April 15, 2014 08:50 AM (o3MSL)

238 UCLA Prof. Tim Groseclose says it gives Dems a 8-10% edge. Posted by: CJ __________________ Plugging in 8% bias factor would have given GWB 55.3% of the popular vote and a 384-154 electoral college victory.

Posted by: Furious George at April 15, 2014 08:51 AM (yFb77)

239 209 I'm still trying to get the hang of this sockpuppet name thing.

Its main drawback seems to be that no one will ever know how clever you were!

Posted by: zombie at April 15, 2014 12:42 PM (mizYg)

 

That's what the hash is for.  If yours is pretty static then people will be able to figure out that its you.  That's why Adam  (Aif/5)  is able to be credited with 300 different sockpuppets every week.

Posted by: buzzion at April 15, 2014 08:51 AM (LI48c)

240 If you want to claim credit for your cleverness, you should fill our the URL field in your posts to a static one, or just make one up. That way, your nic will be highlighted in your posts. A curious person can mouse-over your nic and will see the same, constant web address no matter how often you sock puppet. Politcal Hat does this a lot. He's the grandmaster sock here. Posted by: EC Let me try this out.

Posted by: newby at April 15, 2014 08:51 AM (mizYg)

241 Let me try this out.

Posted by: newby at April 15, 2014 12:51 PM (mizYg)



See? 



It works.



Posted by: EC at April 15, 2014 08:52 AM (GQ8sn)

242 Posted by: 18-1 at April 15, 2014 12:35 PM (78TbK) Yup..... looks like I paid more in Taxes than General Electric last year.... AGAIN....

Posted by: Romeo13 at April 15, 2014 08:52 AM (84gbM)

243
   Lincolntf, that was a good move.  NOW just wait on your buddy and clear the area so you can actually see what you're up to.

      Little patience won't hurt none.

Posted by: irongrampa at April 15, 2014 08:52 AM (SAMxH)

244 If and when we are ever successful in implementing a consumption tax, there should be ironclad...fuck that....Adamantium clad laws that prevent any other kind of tax to be levied on top of it. Lead & copper. First one to suggest another tax......Blammo!

Posted by: rickb223 at April 15, 2014 08:52 AM (CRyse)

245 Function Keys.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 15, 2014 08:52 AM (bitz6)

246 That's what the hash is for. If yours is pretty static then people will be able to figure out that its you. That's why Adam (Aif/5)is able to be credited with 300 different sockpuppets every week. Posted by: buzzion Another try with fewer spaces.

Posted by: newby at April 15, 2014 08:53 AM (mizYg)

247 ...but it's my uterus selfishly destroying America. Harrumph. Posted by: HR at April 15, 2014 12:49 PM (ZKzrr) Well, it's your uterus that isn't creating more people like you so that we can attempt a salvage of this place...but I'll take your uterus not creating more people like the Dad of the Year who used to smoke out in the car while he drove his kid to school. Also, sounds like you do a good job of trying to have an influence on the kids (nieces?) in your family. I've got you down as Do Not Shoot in my book.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at April 15, 2014 08:53 AM (da5Wo)

248 I've got you down as Do Not Shoot in my book.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at April 15, 2014 12:53 PM (da5Wo)



You're making a book???



Posted by: EC at April 15, 2014 08:54 AM (GQ8sn)

249 So according to fox the IRS is considering taxing workers who receive free benefits through work such as free food, cell phones, shuttle services etc. Posted by: Head Exploding at April 15, 2014 12:49 PM (Aif/5) So are they going to tax our Soldiers, Sailors, and Marines for the MREs they eat in theater and the for the ride to get them there?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 15, 2014 08:55 AM (t3UFN)

250 You're making a book??? Posted by: EC at April 15, 2014 12:54 PM (GQ8sn) < Who told you that? >shifty eyes>

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at April 15, 2014 08:55 AM (da5Wo)

251 Posted by: Head Exploding at April 15, 2014 12:49 PM (Aif/5) At my former place of employment, the brass used to order a metric kcufton of Girl Scout cookies (this was back in the days before the GS went full PC) and put them out in the kitchen area free to employees and visitors. An IRS audit stopped that practice dead cold in its tracks.

Posted by: Hrothgar at April 15, 2014 08:55 AM (o3MSL)

252 What the fuck? SCREW YOU PIXY! WHERE'S THE REST OF MY COMMENT???

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at April 15, 2014 08:56 AM (da5Wo)

253 Who told you that?

>shifty eyes>

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at April 15, 2014 12:55 PM (da5Wo)



Some guy....down the street....told me to come here.....and ask for the "Irish bookmaker".



Posted by: EC at April 15, 2014 08:56 AM (GQ8sn)

254 Luckily, I have never been contacted by the Federal government. I kind of suspect they don't know I exist. I hope to keep it that way.

Posted by: zombie at April 15, 2014 08:56 AM (mizYg)

255 Worship me you bitter clinger proles

Posted by: Teh SCOAMF at April 15, 2014 08:56 AM (W6wuT)

256 Columbo?

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 15, 2014 08:56 AM (bitz6)

257

But chin up Mark. Socialism will be popular someday, it just needs a bigger advertising budget.

Posted by: DrewM. at 11:35 AM

Or metric.

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at April 15, 2014 08:57 AM (AWmfW)

258 >>> ...but it's my uterus selfishly destroying America. Soon.

Posted by: HR's rampaging uterus at April 15, 2014 08:57 AM (Ua6T/)

259 Some guy....down the street....told me to come here.....and ask for the "Irish bookmaker". Posted by: EC at April 15, 2014 12:56 PM (GQ8sn) *looks around* You a cop? You better not be a cop. Alright, I got odds on NBA playoffs, NHL playoff, MLB, hell I'll let you play who you think is going to be drafted where in the NFL draft. So...whatcha playin?

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at April 15, 2014 08:58 AM (da5Wo)

260

"always thought the census was some kind of estimate -- they poll maybe 5% or 10% of the people and guesstimate the rest. Is this not the case"

The 10-year census attempts to contact everyone via mail and other means. Most people just give names and ages etc. A small portion (maybe 5%) get a longer form with more detailed questions.

in addition, the census bureau does periodic detailed samples of people in what is called the American Community Survey. 

Posted by: dudenolongerinsantacruz at April 15, 2014 08:58 AM (WdajP)

261 Nothing wrong with being single - lots of us single ladies on here not having kids with deadbeats or non-husbands and relying on the taxpayer to pick up the tab. In fact, we not having any dependents, we're likely paying more in taxes proportionally. (Not that tax payments = value.) But we don't get no love in the media. Only the oh-so-hardworking single mom (who for all we know is not absolutely certain who the fathers of her offspring are). I understand some women are single moms through no fault of their own, really, but I suspect that is not the case in the majority of instances.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at April 15, 2014 08:58 AM (r+7wo)

262 I saw Rampaging Uterus open for Pussy Riot in Smolensk back in 2009.


Posted by: EC at April 15, 2014 08:58 AM (GQ8sn)

263 I drove past a grade school last fall on the first day of school and there were about 50 Kindergardeners standing in formation in the yard. Their names were printed in large block letters on different color paper and hung on their necks with different colored yard. And they looked ... terrified. It was like it was 1943 and they were in a Japanese prison camp.

Posted by: Pug Form 4868 at April 15, 2014 08:58 AM (8c12T)

264 people who are curious about their blood pressure... Did WalMart take out the machines where you could do that for a quarter? Posted by: HR at April 15, 2014 12:45 PM (ZKzrr) Apparently, since Obamacare mandates that blood pressure screenings must be free*. *Free, defined as requiring a doctor's appointment for which insurance companies must pay the federally mandated rate to the doctor and not charge the patient while someone who is actually ill and willing to pay their bill/ copayment/ deductible must schedule another time or find a new doctor if they need immediate treatment.

Posted by: Damiano at April 15, 2014 08:59 AM (j0wOO)

265 The 10-year census attempts to contact everyone via mail and other means. Most people just give names and ages etc. A small portion (maybe 5%) get a longer form with more detailed questions. Posted by: dudenolongerinsantacruz I've never gotten any kind of form. Ever.

Posted by: zombie at April 15, 2014 09:00 AM (mizYg)

266 We think it's pretty awesome, too.

Posted by: United Identity Thieves of America at April 15, 2014 09:00 AM (wAQA5)

267 But we don't get no love in the media. Only the oh-so-hardworking single mom (who for all we know is not absolutely certain who the fathers of her offspring are).

I understand some women are single moms through no fault of their own, really, but I suspect that is not the case in the majority of instances.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at April 15, 2014 12:58 PM (r+7wo)

 

 

Don't forget being told by the media to look up to someone like Wendy Davis, "Single" "Mom"  who dumped her kids onto her ex husband.

Posted by: buzzion at April 15, 2014 09:01 AM (LI48c)

268 I drove past a grade school last fall on the first day of school and there were about 50 Kindergardeners standing in formation in the yard. Their names were printed in large block letters on different color paper and hung on their necks with different colored yard. And they looked ... terrified.

It was like it was 1943 and they were in a Japanese prison camp.

Posted by: Pug Form 4868 at April 15, 2014 12:58 PM (8c12T)



"Everyone wearing a red name tag will get a wedgie!"



Posted by: EC at April 15, 2014 09:01 AM (GQ8sn)

269 The changes are intended to improve the accuracy of the survey, being conducted this month in interviews with tens of thousands of households around the country. But the new questions are so different that the findings will not be comparable, the officials said. The multiple-layered stupidity of the last five years captured in two sentences.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at April 15, 2014 09:02 AM (659DL)

270 Whenever  the  census  creeps  have  come  to  my  front  door  I  just  turned  up  the  volume  on  the  TV  until  the  bastards  left. 

Posted by: Larsen E. Whipsnade at April 15, 2014 09:02 AM (rXcBX)

271 I never answer the door for them or fill out forms I never got.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 15, 2014 09:04 AM (bitz6)

272 What? Are they going to send you to Census Jail?

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 15, 2014 09:06 AM (bitz6)

273 I understand some women are single moms through no fault of their own, really, but I suspect that is not the case in the majority of instances. Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at April 15, 2014 12:58 PM (r+7wo) I sincerely apologize for being harsh and rude. Really. In generally, I agree with what you said prior to what I quoted. That said, unless we're talking about rape, NO ONE is pregnant through no fault of their own. Even then, there are plenty of people who would give everything they own to adopt a child that someone else did not want and/or cannot afford. There is absolutely no reason on earth that we should be subsidizing people's children. You know what birth control is free and 100% effective? Don't have sex. If you do have sex, then accept the fact that there may be more involved than the walk of shame the next morning.

Posted by: Damiano at April 15, 2014 09:06 AM (j0wOO)

274

Whenever the census creeps have come to my front door I just turned up the volume on the TV until the bastards left.

 

I just leave some fava beans and a bottle of chianti on the front doorstep.

Posted by: Colorado Alex at April 15, 2014 09:07 AM (tIvOy)

275 I just leave some fava beans and a bottle of chianti on the front doorstep.

Posted by: Colorado Alex at April 15, 2014 01:07 PM (tIvOy)



It's missing.....something.




Posted by: Dr. Lecter at April 15, 2014 09:07 AM (GQ8sn)

276 270 Whenever the census creeps have come to my front door I just turned up the volume on the TV until the bastards left. Posted by: Larsen E. Whipsnade Maybe that's the reason. I have a rule: Do not answer the front door, unless you are expecting someone. 99% of the time the person at the door will fall into one of these categories: a. Evil criminal attempting home-takeover robbery. b. Smug college-age canvassers wanting money or signatures for some communist bullshit. c. Jehovah's Witnesses. d. Revenooers, T-Men or G-Men. e. Annoying neighbor complaining about my backyard hyena breeding facility. To Hades with the lot of you!

Posted by: zombie at April 15, 2014 09:08 AM (mizYg)

277 It's never anyone good at the door unexpected.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 15, 2014 09:09 AM (bitz6)

278 Just saw this over at the WSJ Keeping the Internet Free—for Now The Commerce Department has second thoughts about surrendering America's online oversight. operation, pass the buck/aka voting present for political purposes Less than a month after announcing its plan to abandon U.S. protection of the open Internet in 2015, the White House has stepped back from the abyss. Following objections by Bill Clinton, a warning letter from 35 Republican senators, and critical congressional hearings, the administration now says the change won't happen for years, if ever. "We can extend the contract for up to four years," Assistant Commerce Secretary Lawrence Strickling told Congress last week, referring to the agreement under which the U.S. retains ultimate control over the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers, known as Icann. If the administration makes good on that reassurance, it would punt the decision to 2019 and the next president.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 15, 2014 09:09 AM (IXrOn)

279 It's never anyone good at the door unexpected.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 15, 2014 01:09 PM (bitz6)



Candygram.



Posted by: Shark at April 15, 2014 09:10 AM (GQ8sn)

280 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at April 15, 2014 09:10 AM (PYAXX)

281 e. Annoying neighbor complaining about my backyard hyena breeding facility.


Why would you claim Berkeley as your backyard?

Posted by: Burn the Witch at April 15, 2014 09:10 AM (HLprW)

282 Posted by: zombie at April 15, 2014 01:08 PM (mizYg) You forgot: f) Little girls selling Girl Scout Cookies made from 0% Real Girl Scouts.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at April 15, 2014 09:11 AM (PYAXX)

283

Maybe that's the reason. I have a rule: Do not answer the front door, unless you are expecting someone.

 

--------

 

There's a "no soliciting" sign on my front door.  I don't like unexpected visitors because my dogs bark up a storm and it's a pain in the ass to corral them before I answer the door.

 

Anyway, knock at the door.  I corral the dogs and answer the door.  Some PYT with a petition for clean water or some such bullshit starts her spiel.  I point at the sign and she says "oh, it's OK, I'm not selling anything."

 

I tell her "First off, I'll be the judge of what's "OK."  Second, if you're asking me to do something, you're soliciting.  Didn't they teach basic vocabulary in whatever bumblefuck junior college that has the misfortune of claiming you as an alum?"

 

Oddly, I haven't had any petitioners come back. I guess now I have the rep as "that guy."  Fine by me.

Posted by: @JohnTant at April 15, 2014 09:11 AM (eytER)

284 Who is this Mark Murray fellow and how can we Twitterbomb his stupid ass? My tweet is just one.

Posted by: the littl shyning man at April 15, 2014 09:12 AM (tmFlQ)

285 If the administration makes good on that reassurance, it would punt the decision to 2019 and the next president.



The answer should still be 'NO!'.



Posted by: EC at April 15, 2014 09:12 AM (GQ8sn)

286 So they took over 25% of the economy based on numbers from this census that they now deem not accurate?? This is nuts.

Posted by: swChach at April 15, 2014 09:12 AM (tZbqI)

287 Personally, I find the mating grunts of a hyena in heat a soothing lullaby that serenades me to sleep. I don't see what he's complaining about.

Posted by: zombie at April 15, 2014 09:12 AM (mizYg)

288 The 10-year census attempts to contact everyone via mail and other means. Most people just give names and ages etc. A small portion (maybe 5%) get a longer form with more detailed questions. Then what was it with that last Obama census (now under WH control) with the damn aggressive census takers going door to door with incredibly long surveys? I can't remember all of the questions, but it was invasive to say the least - and then they started harassing us by phone to send the thing in.

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at April 15, 2014 09:13 AM (pgQxn)

289

"That said, unless we're talking about rape, NO ONE is pregnant through no fault of their own."

being a single mother is not the same as getting preggers as a single. Death, incarceration, desertion, dehabilitation etc of the father can, in my mind, make a woman a single mother through no direct fault of her own

Posted by: dudenolongerinsantacruz at April 15, 2014 09:13 AM (WdajP)

290

Maybe that's the reason. I have a rule: Do not answer the front door, unless you are expecting someone

 

 

 

I  keep  a  .45  next  to  my  chair  in  case  the  unknown  vagrant  at  my  front  door  tries  kicking  it  in. 

Posted by: Larsen E. Whipsnade at April 15, 2014 09:13 AM (rXcBX)

291 Little girls selling Girl Scout Cookies made from 0% Real Girl Scouts.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at April 15, 2014 01:11 PM (PYAXX)



I once had a local HS cheerleader come to my door selling some gift-wrapping or popcorn or whatever it was to fund a trip to a national cheer tournament competition.



Come on....




I had to buy!




Posted by: EC at April 15, 2014 09:14 AM (GQ8sn)

292 Very reminiscent of the Soviet 5-Year Plans and Stalin's "Dizzy with Success" speech. Yep.

Posted by: I lurk, therefore I amn't at April 15, 2014 09:14 AM (rz0yi)

293 You forgot: f) Little girls selling Girl Scout Cookies made from 0% Real Girl Scouts. Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. Where I live, I have never encountered or seen Girl Scouts selling cookies. I think that's more of a Middle America thing.

Posted by: zombie at April 15, 2014 09:14 AM (mizYg)

294 Mark Murray should come work for me. 

Posted by: Kim Jung Un at April 15, 2014 09:15 AM (K2XO3)

295 Note... the President released his Tax returns for this year...

Even though he has rent, food, and expenses, provided by his job.... ANY of which others would have to pay taxes on....

He paid an effective tax rate of 20%...

I'm the working poor.... I paid a tax rate of 22%...

So much for the graduated income tax...

Posted by: Romeo13 at April 15, 2014 12:31 PM (84gbM)




If he were a Republican the MFM would be bleating that from the mountain tops about how unfair it is. But King Barry could pay nothing in taxes and there wouldn't be a peep from the MFM

Posted by: TheQuietMan at April 15, 2014 09:15 AM (1Jaio)

296 Obviously, the esteems Mr. Mark Murray doesn't see the news casts, talking head shows, news papers, by-lines, celeb endorcers, 'shout-outs', and other 'non-commercial' commercials out there.... As so blind not to see....

Posted by: Ibin Pharteen at April 15, 2014 09:16 AM (zL/eJ)

297 The Girl Scouts set up here out side of the good grocery stores. Never at Food Lion.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 15, 2014 09:16 AM (bitz6)

298 Don't forget to eat at the Waffle House soon. support Bubba! (watson)

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 15, 2014 09:16 AM (IXrOn)

299 The Girl Scouts set up here out side of the good grocery stores. Never at Food Lion.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 15, 2014 01:16 PM (bitz6)



Where in the SE are you?


Posted by: EC at April 15, 2014 09:16 AM (GQ8sn)

300 Then what was it with that last Obama census (now under WH control) with the damn aggressive census takers going door to door with incredibly long surveys? I can't remember all of the questions, but it was invasive to say the least - and then they started harassing us by phone to send the thing in. Posted by: Clutch Cargo Seriously? Never contacted me in person, or by phone, or any other way. I'd be creeped out if the government tried to ask me a question.

Posted by: zombie at April 15, 2014 09:16 AM (mizYg)

301 Mark Murray should come work for me.

Posted by: Kim Jung Un at April 15, 2014 01:15 PM (K2XO3)




He'd look good in that snazzy haircut

Posted by: TheQuietMan at April 15, 2014 09:17 AM (1Jaio)

302 Outside of Richmond.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 15, 2014 09:17 AM (bitz6)

303 I once had a local HS cheerleader come to my door selling some gift-wrapping or popcorn or whatever it was Go on......

Posted by: rickb223 at April 15, 2014 09:17 AM (CRyse)

304 Seriously? Never contacted me in person, or by phone, or any other way. I'd be creeped out if the government tried to ask me a question.

Posted by: zombie at April 15, 2014 01:16 PM (mizYg)



Exactly.   How could you tell if the person on the phone was an actual census worker or an ID thief?


"Before we continue, I need to verify your information.....can you tell me your mother's maiden name and the last for digits of your social security number?"




Posted by: EC at April 15, 2014 09:18 AM (GQ8sn)

305 If and when we are ever successful in implementing a consumption tax, there should be ironclad...fuck that....Adamantium clad laws that prevent any other kind of tax to be levied on top of it. Posted by: EC at April 15, 2014 12:50 PM (GQ8sn) That's exactly what the authors of the Fair Tax Plan say too. The 16th amendment would need to be repealed.

Posted by: jwest at April 15, 2014 09:18 AM (u2a4R)

306 this over at the WSJ, too Canada Police Asked Tax Agency to Delay Word of Heartbleed Breach Authorities Feared Disclosure Could Hamper Their Investigation interesting

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 15, 2014 09:18 AM (IXrOn)

307 Posted by: Boss Moss at April 15, 2014 01:16 PM (bitz6) Yeah, they do that here, too. We still have a few sell "the old-fashioned way," but most of it now is setting up in front of Walmart or Kroger and assaulting customers as they enter/exit. Kroger is usually pretty good about a 1 door rule (you can only set up at one door). Walmart, not so much.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at April 15, 2014 09:18 AM (PYAXX)

308 Outside of Richmond. I think it varies who allows it and who doesn't. ...also, I'm not sure VA qualifies as SE any longer. Unless you kick NoVA out.

Posted by: Brother Cavil at April 15, 2014 09:19 AM (rt3TY)

309 I once had a local HS cheerleader come to my door selling some gift-wrapping or popcorn

or whatever it was


Go on......

Posted by: rickb223 at April 15, 2014 01:17 PM (CRyse)



Hey, I was supporting our local talent.  How could I not say yes?



Posted by: EC at April 15, 2014 09:19 AM (GQ8sn)

310 ObamaCare is the law of the land. DEAL WITH IT!

Posted by: Some Dumb Lib at April 15, 2014 09:19 AM (hHFOx)

311 293 You forgot:

f) Little girls selling Girl Scout Cookies made from 0% Real Girl Scouts.
Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It.

Where I live, I have never encountered or seen Girl Scouts selling cookies. I think that's more of a Middle America thing.

Posted by: zombie at April 15, 2014 01:14 PM (mizYg)

 

I can't see San Francisco being too big on anything that isn't supported by the gay mafia or who's purpose isn't to implement communism.

Posted by: buzzion at April 15, 2014 09:19 AM (LI48c)

312 Wow, Ace is late. Tax time.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 15, 2014 09:19 AM (IXrOn)

313

That's exactly what the authors of the Fair Tax Plan say too. The 16th amendment would need to be repealed.

 

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Incorrect - the income tax can exist without the 16A.

Posted by: @JohnTant at April 15, 2014 09:19 AM (eytER)

314 The Constitution is a LIVING DOCUMENT that is OUTDATED.

Posted by: The Very Same Dumb Lib at April 15, 2014 09:20 AM (hHFOx)

315 Kroger is usually pretty good about a 1 door rule (you can only set up at one door). Walmart, not so much. Yay! Wait. My Kroger only has one door.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 15, 2014 09:20 AM (CRyse)

316 >>> Personally, I find the mating grunts of a hyena in heat a soothing lullaby that serenades me to sleep. I don't see what he's complaining about. "Your frisbee went in the back yard? No sweat, just hop the fence and grab it."

Posted by: fluffy at April 15, 2014 09:20 AM (Ua6T/)

317 We still have a few sell "the old-fashioned way," but most of it now is setting up in front of Walmart or Kroger and assaulting customers as they enter/exit. That picture of the Girl Scout setting up shop in Colorado still gives me chuckles. Know your customers, indeed...

Posted by: Brother Cavil at April 15, 2014 09:20 AM (rt3TY)

318 297 The Girl Scouts set up here out side of the good grocery stores. Never at Food Lion.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 15, 2014 01:16 PM (bitz6)

 

If they're set up outside of a store its because mommy and daddy already bought and paid for all those cookies they have displayed and ready to sell.

Posted by: buzzion at April 15, 2014 09:20 AM (LI48c)

319 Ah, it's a good day to be King of All Suckitude!

Posted by: Prez'nit 404 at April 15, 2014 09:20 AM (Dwehj)

320 Hey, I was supporting our local talent. How could I not say yes? Tripod FTW!

Posted by: rickb223 at April 15, 2014 09:21 AM (CRyse)

321 Seriously? Never contacted me in person, or by phone, or any other way. I'd be creeped out if the government tried to ask me a question.

Posted by: zombie at April 15, 2014 01:16 PM (mizYg)

 

 

 

 

 

Then  you  never  received  the  enhanced  survey  that  has  page  after  page  of  questions  and  a  threat  of  felony  prosecution  if  you  don't  comply.

I  took  a  red  sharpie  and  wrote  "Fuck  Off"  on  mine  and  left  it  on  the  front  door. 

Posted by: Larsen E. Whipsnade at April 15, 2014 09:21 AM (rXcBX)

322 I can't see San Francisco being too big on anything that isn't supported by the gay mafia or who's purpose isn't to implement communism. Well, Girl Scouts is pretty well both of those things these days.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at April 15, 2014 09:21 AM (PYAXX)

323 310 ObamaCare is the law of the land. DEAL WITH IT! Posted by: Some Dumb Lib Prohibition is the Law of the LAND. DEAL WITH IT!

Posted by: Some Dumb Progressive in 1920 at April 15, 2014 09:22 AM (mizYg)

324 It's really pretty humorous. The leftards have to sell a giant steaming, fly covered, stinking, maggot loaded pile of donkey shit as tapioca pudding. Tough sell.

Posted by: maddogg at April 15, 2014 09:22 AM (xWW96)

325 http://www.wwu.edu/sixquestions/three.shtml
Q3:
How do we make sure that in future years “we are not as white as we are today?”

I suggest relocation

... or ....

Enroll James Holmes and Jared Loughner.
In no time at all, the campus will be red.

Offer a special program in "serial killer studies"


Posted by: Rev. Al Sharpton, former FBI asset known as “CI-7” at April 15, 2014 09:24 AM (e8kgV)

326 Who needs coverage with a $6300 deductible? Pretty close to no coverage at all.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 15, 2014 09:24 AM (bitz6)

327 Incorrect - the income tax can exist without the 16A. Posted by: @JohnTant at April 15, 2014 01:19 PM (eytER) Well, AN income tax can exist without the 16A. "The" (as in: the current) income tax cannot. The 16A gets rid of a very important limitation on any direct taxation- that of apportionment. W/o the 16A, the taxes collected would have to be returned to the States (based on population per the census).

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at April 15, 2014 09:24 AM (PYAXX)

328 5% of D's think their taxes are too low. But 100% of D's think YOUR taxes are too low.

Posted by: Mega at April 15, 2014 09:25 AM (hHFOx)

329 Then you never received the enhanced survey that haspage after page of questions and a threat of felony prosecution if you don't comply.Itook a red sharpie and wrote "Fuck Off" on mine and left it on the front door. Posted by: Larsen E. Whipsnade I never got the "short" survey or whatever either. How can they convict anyone of a felony if we never even had the opportunity to break the law in the first place? Judge: "You are guilty of not completing the census!" Me: "What census? No one ever asked me anything." Judge: "That makes you double-guilty!"

Posted by: Some Dumb Progressive in 1920 at April 15, 2014 09:25 AM (mizYg)

330 So, no one is covering the Larry O'Donnell sex scandal? You wound me....

Posted by: Pug Form 4868 at April 15, 2014 09:26 AM (8c12T)

331 Prohibition is the Law of the LAND. DEAL WITH IT!

Posted by: Some Dumb Progressive in 1920 at April 15, 2014 01:22 PM (mizYg)

Segregation is the law of the land. DEAL WITH IT!

Posted by: Democrat Party, circa 1960 at April 15, 2014 09:26 AM (QFxY5)

332 Who needs coverage with a $6300 deductible? Pretty close to no coverage at all. Posted by: Boss Moss at April 15, 2014 01:24 PM (bitz6) People in good health with relatively liquid assets. If you were pretty sure you were going to go to the Dr. a total of 3 times in a year, that $6300 deductible (paired with it's pre-ObamaCare low premium, at least) was a pretty good buy. If, like many people, you're going to see the doctor more often, and you've got prescriptions to have filled, and-and-and... not so much.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at April 15, 2014 09:27 AM (PYAXX)

333 Posted by: Pug Form 4868 at April 15, 2014 01:26 PM (8c12T)

I read on the Internet that Lawrence O'Donnell was in an auto accident with several underage male prostitutes in the car with him.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 15, 2014 09:28 AM (QFxY5)

334 Epic fail. Over on Weasel Zippers: Mooches My Plate program offers breastfeeding tips to grandparents. Western Washington University complains they have too many whites on campus.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 15, 2014 09:28 AM (CRyse)

335 Bet y'all never thought that when Uncle Joe talked about "skin in the game" that you'd be flayed alive!

Posted by: Prez'nit 404 at April 15, 2014 09:28 AM (Dwehj)

336 I stopped answering the door. Bad for my blood pressure. Most of the time I would wind up cursing people to their faces. I don't get those survey calls anymore either.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 15, 2014 09:28 AM (bitz6)

337 Wow, Ace is late. Tax time. Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 15, 2014 01:19 PM (IXrOn) Yo ette... I wanted to commend you in person for the early shoe-in for Comment of the Year. It was in last nights Nevada thread. I will repost it near the top of a new thread.

Posted by: Mega at April 15, 2014 09:28 AM (hHFOx)

338 Mooches My Plate program offers breastfeeding tips to grandparents. LOLWUT? There *has* to be more to that story.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at April 15, 2014 09:28 AM (PYAXX)

339

Well, AN income tax can exist without the 16A. "The" (as in: the current) income tax cannot.



The 16A gets rid of a very important limitation on any direct taxation- that of apportionment. W/o the 16A, the taxes collected would have to be returned to the States (based on population per the census).

 

----

 

That would only happen on the tax on incomes derived from property, such as rents and dividends.  Income taxes on things like wages would be unaffected, since the SCOTUS ruled that those taxes are not direct taxes and thus have no apportionment requirement.  Pollock v Farmers' Loan and Trust co.

Posted by: @JohnTant at April 15, 2014 09:29 AM (eytER)

340 Hmmm, I wonder if this happened to us? Canada Police Asked Tax Agency to Delay Word of Heartbleed Breach The announcement Tuesday by the Royal Canadian Mounted Police indicates investigators feared that early disclosure would have jeopardized their probe into the theft of about 900 social insurance numbers—akin to U.S. Social Security numbers—from the Canada Revenue Agency's systems. ... Most Canadians now file their taxes online. Last year, 20 million out of a total 26.1 million taxpayers filed their returns electronically, up 17% from 2012, while the number who filed paper returns plunged 29.5%, according to CRA figures. great

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 15, 2014 09:29 AM (IXrOn)

341 Posted by: @JohnTant at April 15, 2014 01:29 PM (eytER) Ok. See Also the various "LAW OF THE LAND!!!" comments in this thread. By what logic is a tax on my income *NOT* a "direct or capitation" tax?

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at April 15, 2014 09:31 AM (PYAXX)

342 340 That must take forever. All those people lining up at Canada's 12 computers.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 15, 2014 09:32 AM (bitz6)

343 my tax man told me to never ever ever pay taxes online.....ever

Posted by: phoenixgirl @phxazgrl Happy Personal Wealth Confiscation Day at April 15, 2014 09:32 AM (u8GsB)

344 The Federal government tried to implement an income tax several times between the 1870s and 1910s. Each time it was challenged in court and thrown out as unconstitutional. The 16th Amendment was passed specifically because it was the only way to make a national income tax legal.

Posted by: Some Dumb Progressive in 1920 at April 15, 2014 09:33 AM (mizYg)

345 314 The Constitution is a LIVING DOCUMENT that is OUTDATED. Posted by: The Very Same Dumb Lib at April 15, 2014 01:20 PM (hHFOx) That's actually a very clever point. They most certainly do make both claims at the same time.

Posted by: D-Lamp at April 15, 2014 09:34 AM (bb5+k)

346 The Federal government tried to implement an income tax several times between the 1870s and 1910s. Each time it was challenged in court and thrown out as unconstitutional. The 16th Amendment was passed specifically because it was the only way to make a national income tax legal. I don't think those courts had any wise latinas though...

Posted by: dudenolongerinsantacruz at April 15, 2014 09:35 AM (PGXA8)

347 Yo ette... I wanted to commend you in person for the early shoe-in for Comment of the Year. It was in last nights Nevada thread. I will repost it near the top of a new thread. Posted by: Mega at April 15, 2014 01:28 PM (hHFOx) hmmm, wonder which one? there were so many, hehe. and, thank you kindly

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 15, 2014 09:36 AM (IXrOn)

348

King Put (King Put)


Now when he was a young man,


He never thought he'd see


People stand in line to see the boy king.

 



(King Put) How'd you get so funky?

 


 

(Funky Put) Did you do the monkey?

 


Born in I dontknowa  

 


Moved to Chigaga (king Put).

Posted by: The Jackhole at April 15, 2014 09:36 AM (nTgAI)

349 I don't think those courts had any wise latinas though... Posted by: dudenolongerinsantacruz at April 15, 2014 01:35 PM (PGXA And almost certainly were not led by Chief Justice John "It's a Tax!" Roberts.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) Ah, F It. at April 15, 2014 09:36 AM (PYAXX)

350 I have read someplace that the 16th amendment was never actually ratified.

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 15, 2014 09:36 AM (bitz6)

351 Should five per cent appear too small Be thankful I don't take it all.

Posted by: zombie at April 15, 2014 09:36 AM (mizYg)

352 The nice thing about having your medical history is that now we can start rewriting it forward, backward, sideways, and in your ass, amigo.

Posted by: Fritz at April 15, 2014 09:37 AM (oJUxt)

353  Obviously, the esteems Mr. Mark Murray doesn't see the news casts, talking head shows, news papers, by-lines, celeb endorcers, 'shout-outs', and other 'non-commercial' commercials out there....

As so blind not to see....

Posted by: Ibin Pharteen at April 15, 2014 01:16 PM (zL/eJ)

 

 

----------------------------------------------

 

 

He doesn't watch tv or have cable because he's hip and can't be bothered with  such a mundane act.

Posted by: Soona at April 15, 2014 09:38 AM (/nOVW)

354 Mark Murray? Is he famous or something?

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 15, 2014 09:39 AM (bitz6)

355 Should five per cent appear too small
Be thankful I don't take it all.

Posted by: zombie at April 15, 2014 01:36 PM (mizYg

 

And if you die before you wake.

 

Pray your wallet I do not take

Posted by: The Jackhole at April 15, 2014 09:39 AM (nTgAI)

356 >>Epic fail. Over on Weasel Zippers: Mooches My Plate program offers breastfeeding tips to grandparents. And include in the tips: Don't make something special for picky eaters. Yeah, no. I was a picky eater and I had some unpleasant show-downs with my mean grandmother over this. But this is advice from a commie, so of course it includes forcing your will on others, including your precious grandkids. With the full backing of the government.

Posted by: Lizzy at April 15, 2014 09:39 AM (IdOTf)

357 Who takes food tips from a mentally retarded transsexual?

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 15, 2014 09:41 AM (bitz6)

358 357 Who takes food tips from a mentally retarded transsexual?

Posted by: Boss Moss at April 15, 2014 01:41 PM (bitz6)

 

 

But she has fabulously toned arms!  ::swoon::

Posted by: The MFM at April 15, 2014 09:42 AM (DrWcr)

359

By what logic is a tax on my income *NOT* a "direct or capitation" tax?

 

------

 

Because "direct tax" in the Constitutional sense is not a tax directly levied on a person.

 

For background, check out Madison's Notes of Debates in the Federal Convention of 1787.  Also useful is to understand that under the Articles of Confederation, the States were required to supply the centeral government with its money, and yet each state only had one vote in the Confederation...This meant that larger states had to contribute more but were outvoted by smaller states as to how to spend it.

 

Further, the Federalist Papers are replete with references to "direct tax" being a tax on wealth, eg Federalist #12 and #21.  Briefly, "direct tax" is and always was meant to reference a tax on wealth (eg land) and capitation/poll taxes.

 

The income tax is not either of those.  It is a tax on the transaction, eg you do something and you get money for it.  It is not a tax on the money itself, ergo it is not a direct tax.  Even the Pollock decision got it wrong by saying a tax on the income derived from property is the same as a tax on the property itself, being that the Court studiously ignored precedent to get to that conclusion. 

 

And for backup, I would like to reference Hylton v. United States, a case heard by the SCOTUS in 1796 where someone was contesting a federal tax levied against someone.  The contention was that it was a "direct" tax.  Justice Chase wrote:

 

"I am inclined to think, but of this I do not give a judicial opinion, that the direct taxes contemplated by the Constitution, are only two, to wit, a capitation, or poll tax, simply, without regard to property, profession, or any other circumstance; and a tax on LAND. I doubt whether a tax, by a general assessment of personal property, within the United States, is included within the term direct tax.”

 

Further, Justice Paterson wrote:

 

"Whether direct taxes, in the sense of the Constitution, comprehend any other tax than a capitation tax, and tax on land, is a questionable point. ... I never entertained a doubt, that the principal, I will not say, the only, objects, that the framers of the Constitution contemplated as falling within the rule of apportionment, were a capitation tax and a tax on land."

 

And since Paterson was a delegate to the Constitutional Convention I'm inclined to take his word as to what "direct tax" means over someone like Neal Boortz.

 

Simply put, since the 16A was put in place to remedy a stupid decision by the Fuller SCOTUS, removing it would put the state of affairs back to Pollock - namely that the Feds can tax wage income without apportionment, but must come up with some goofball mechanism to apportion taxes on rents, interest, and dividends.

Posted by: @JohnTant at April 15, 2014 09:43 AM (eytER)

360 How did we allow these people to take over absolutely everything? There must be some way to overcome complete dishonesty. Crime should not pay.

Posted by: petunia at April 15, 2014 09:43 AM (DAcBA)

361 How did we allow these people to take over absolutely everything? There must be some way to overcome complete dishonesty. There is, but you have to be ready to deal with the results. Nobody seems to be these days. And so it goes.

Posted by: Brother Cavil at April 15, 2014 09:49 AM (rt3TY)

362

The Federal government tried to implement an income tax several times between the 1870s and 1910s. Each time it was challenged in court and thrown out as unconstitutional. The 16th Amendment was passed specifically because it was the only way to make a national income tax legal.

 

---------

 

Also incorrect. 

 

For instance, the income tax existed pre-Pollock.  The Pollock decision did not rule the income tax illegal, only the parts of it that taxed income derived from property.  It did not hold that the remainder of the income tax was unconstitutional, only that it could not be severed from the overall tax law  without the burden being shifted unduly and unfairly to "professions, trades, employments, or vocations" and therefore the law had to be changed.

 

Oh, and prior to that the Springer v United States decision upheld the income tax.  That was in 1880, btw.

 

 

Posted by: @JohnTant at April 15, 2014 09:50 AM (eytER)

363 Ace is awake...Noon

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at April 15, 2014 09:52 AM (ojnk6)

364 As for the change of questionairre: Remember when they changed how to calculate GDP last year which raised the new number by 2% or more comparatively. The new number just gets stated and no one questions it. So yeah, its good political strategy to do these things, because.....pravda. Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 15, 2014 12:14 PM (hUf/y) ------------------------------------- Same as SAT scores have been declining EVERY year since DOE was established in 1980. How to correct the problem? Simple, actually....Just change the way you GRADE the exam. (Until this year, the # of wrong answers were subtracted from the # right to prevent 'guessing') Under the new grading system, you're credited only with the # of right answers. (And these FOOLS will convince themselves 'education is improving...Look at the scores!)

Posted by: alwyr at April 15, 2014 09:54 AM (V0j3u)

365 Easy start of reform. Require all government transfer payments to send a 1099 at the end of the year. Next year, restrict all 1099 transfer payments to the median income. Above the median income be sent back on April 15. Hits everyone from urban poor to farmers. Sit back an watch folks argue that they personally should take more from their fellow citizens than the median income.

Posted by: Old Toby at April 15, 2014 11:29 AM (dop0N)

366 Of course all the money that the gov spent beating the bushes for "sign ups" for this supposedly desparately wanted law doesn't count because the government is perfectly neutral...

Posted by: Peggy at April 15, 2014 11:54 AM (+wyoo)

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