November 19, 2013

Obama Edits Gettysburg Address, Deleting Lincoln's Reference to "Under God"
— Ace

Wow.

As The One informed his speechwriters, he can write speeches better than they could. Apparently this rule applies even to The Great Emancipator.

Now, actually, there are multiple versions of the Gettysburg Addresss, one of which does not contain the "under God" reference.

Why Obama chose a less well-known version than a more well-known one is anyone's guess.

But of course the reason is, as Bill Maher says, that he's an atheist, and wants to signal that to his fellows, and doesn't like all this religion googly-moogly. Oh, he'll claim to be a believer to get the votes of believers, but no, the guy doesn't believe in God.

And yeah, Bill Maher's right about that.

As you probably know, Obama is not attending the 150th anniversary of the Gettysburg address. (Corrected: I originally wrote it was the anniversary of Gettysburg, and that wasn't a typo. That was a genuinely ignorant mistake.)

You know, that silly thing.

Ron Fournier asked an Obama henchman why the president was skipping out on a commemoration of the battle that turned the tide in the war against slavery, and got, get this, a snarky, sneering answer in return:


That's a senior Obama adviser tossing out that snarky reply to a legitimate question from a reporter.

They really just don't think the Peons should question their wisdom.

And what is Obama actually doing?



Posted by: Ace at 01:35 PM | Comments (366)
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1 Why Obama chose a less well-known version than a more well-known one is anyone's guess.

No, it really isn't.

Posted by: pep at November 19, 2013 01:36 PM (6TB1Z)

2 I'm developing a very unhealthy hatred of this fuck sitting in the White House.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 19, 2013 01:37 PM (t3UFN)

3 You're wrong--Obama does believe in God.  He sees him every morning in the mirror.

Posted by: Furious George at November 19, 2013 01:37 PM (yFb77)

4 Anniversary of the address, not the battle. The battle was July 1-3.

Posted by: Bobs House of Falnnel Shirts and Wallet Chains at November 19, 2013 01:38 PM (pj6Nr)

5 If Obama would just spend a few hours writing code, this health care mess would be over.

---- Said No One

Posted by: Dr Spank at November 19, 2013 01:38 PM (xlX1p)

6

There's no golf course at Gettysburg.

Posted by: Comanche Voter at November 19, 2013 01:39 PM (dtuXM)

7 Obama is a secular humanist steeped in the Muslim world's hate for humanity. It makes for quite the petulant little combination.

Posted by: Lauren's eye at November 19, 2013 01:39 PM (hFL/3)

8 speaking of wedge issues, if you follow the SNL speaking for blacks thing, they had that recent sketch where the lefty blacks basically held their nose at the idea of an atheist prezzidizzle. If only there was a wedge issue like Obama's hostility towards the church and obvious atheism. I will say though that if he's a crypto-muslim, it would be the only thing he's remotely good at.

Posted by: joeindc44 is totally not on Soros's pay now...right? at November 19, 2013 01:39 PM (QxSug)

9 Well, he didn't sat Allah so there's that.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet Palin/Bolton 2016 at November 19, 2013 01:40 PM (XIxXP)

10 Oh and Gettysburg is what, less than an hour away from DC? Obama would have NO traffic to deal with, and could come and go as he pleased, as he is the POTUS. Apparently the people in Gettysburg are stunned by this snub. I figure he is afraid of being upstaged by Lincoln or of being booed.

Posted by: Baldy at November 19, 2013 01:40 PM (2bql3)

11 7 Obama is a secular humanist steeped in the Muslim world's Michelle's hate for humanity. It makes for quite the petulant little combination.  

Posted by: Furious George at November 19, 2013 01:40 PM (yFb77)

12 There's no golf course at Gettysburg. There is a Gettysburg country club. It has 9 holes.

Posted by: AmishDude at November 19, 2013 01:40 PM (T0NGe)

13 Dan Pfeiffer ✔ @pfeiffer44 Follow @ron_fournier @jmartNYT @jfsolnet Oh, I don't know, there's this whole website thing that someone suggested might destroy the Dem Party 10:13 AM - 19 Nov 2013 So how does he have time for golf?

Posted by: nerdygirl at November 19, 2013 01:41 PM (jiLKw)

14 Carney, Pfeiffer, Emmanuel ((both).........so many straight up prissy little bitches.

Posted by: Kas(ktgreat) at November 19, 2013 01:41 PM (Bl4dy)

15 Formatting.  I doesn't haz it.

Posted by: Furious George at November 19, 2013 01:41 PM (yFb77)

16 Incredible.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 19, 2013 01:42 PM (M8OWQ)

17 There is a Gettysburg country club. It has 9 holes. Posted by: AmishDude at November 19, 2013 05:40 PM (T0NGe) So does Osama Bin Laden now a days

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 19, 2013 01:42 PM (t3UFN)

18 What a petty little ass-wipe. Must be playing to his base - the student center philosophers, and faculty lounge pontificators.

Posted by: tubal at November 19, 2013 01:42 PM (2NeaA)

19 'One Nation under Obama.'

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 19, 2013 01:42 PM (M8OWQ)

20 Frankly I am surprised that he even tried to quote it to begin with.  The Gettysburg Address has no meaning to foreign trained Muslims.

Posted by: Vic at November 19, 2013 01:42 PM (FTQyq)

21 bobs house of Flannel shirts, Corrected. I was straight-up ignorant of that. I earlier saw a reference to the battle of July and was like "But it's November and stuff...?"

Posted by: ace at November 19, 2013 01:42 PM (/FnUH)

22 'No God but Obama.'

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 19, 2013 01:42 PM (M8OWQ)

23

well if he said "Under Allah"  the game might be up, if you will.

 

 

 

 

 

Posted by: Fred Q. at November 19, 2013 01:42 PM (W6iIX)

24 Obama:  There but for the grace of God goes God.

Posted by: Furious George at November 19, 2013 01:43 PM (yFb77)

25 True or not? There are no funds providing for a bailout in Obamacare and zero can't unilaterally offer a bailout. Funding for a bailout would have to originate with the House. Just as Obamacare was legislated and became law the House and Senate still had to subsequently approve funding for it, as they will each year. Why can't Boehner publicly say he doesn't have any support for a bailout and make sure insurers know that Obama is writing checks he can't cash with this "fix" that results in a bailout.

Posted by: scofflawx, PhD Candidate at November 19, 2013 01:43 PM (Mmwdu)

26 I'm glad he didn't use the Lord's name.  It is not to be taken in vain.

Posted by: mama wingr at November 19, 2013 01:43 PM (P6QsQ)

27 Be happy he's not attending.  He'd just deliver another Me Me Me speech..

Posted by: Mayor Ford at November 19, 2013 01:43 PM (ps27A)

28 I am horrified that any speck of the Gettysburg Address was uttered by the America-hating piece of shit.

Posted by: kathysaysso at November 19, 2013 01:43 PM (6H6o8)

29 12 9 holes? Really

Posted by: Reggie My Love at November 19, 2013 01:43 PM (JMt7S)

30 Pixy hates the name, George, clearly.

Posted by: Lauren at November 19, 2013 01:44 PM (hFL/3)

31 He just didn't have the guts to say, "one nation under me, Obama" Yeah, it's always about him

Posted by: Old man Kennedy at November 19, 2013 01:44 PM (HVff2)

32

Serious question:  was "under God" in Lincoln's handwritten speech?

 

Are there really multiple versions?  What is the address that Lincoln actually gave?

Posted by: prescient11 at November 19, 2013 01:44 PM (tVTLU)

33 A lot of the people opposed to slavery as a moral ill would have felt that way because of their Theism/Christianity. But whatever. Fuck them and their stupid beliefs. 'Everything for Marx. Nothing against Marx.'

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 19, 2013 01:45 PM (M8OWQ)

34

@25

 

Law? What's that?

Posted by: Jollyroger at November 19, 2013 01:45 PM (t06LC)

35 He is really a petulant little jerk, isn't he? I didn't understand why he didn't go to Gettysburg. Politically, it makes perfect sense. It's a great win. I do understand why he left out the "under God" business. As you say, ace, it's a signal.

Posted by: AmishDude at November 19, 2013 01:45 PM (T0NGe)

36 He wants to signal to other atheists? Couldn't he give a secret hand sign before he speaks or something? Good grief. Obama has to be in the closet about his atheism too? !He ought to embarrass any atheist who doesn't mind being known as one, but apparently people like Bill Maher thinks this is just swell? It's o,k. to attend church for years to get ahead politically in the AA community. or yammer on in churches while campaigning. He can talk about his faith or do photos ops for religious services or mention that people should talk about Obamacare at your church "Christmas parties " and Maher thinks that's o.k. because it's all in a god cause to pull the wool over the eyes of the Bible Clingers. Obama is a dishonest man and this sort of thing calls judgement on himself.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 19, 2013 01:45 PM (23Kgq)

37 The real Gettysburg Address from Gettysburg.com


http://www.gettysburg.com/bog/address.htm


As far as I know there is ONLY one true version and it should be well documented since they have his original notes he made on the train ride to Gettysburg.

Posted by: Vic at November 19, 2013 01:46 PM (FTQyq)

38 I merely gave the speech as I know Mr. Lincoln would have done if not for the wingnuts of his time.

Posted by: King Barack at November 19, 2013 01:46 PM (ozktE)

39 If JEF changed the offending passage to a mention of Allah, the MSM would praise the speech as inspired.

Posted by: Blue State Hostage at November 19, 2013 01:46 PM (JMt7S)

40 "The first requisite for the happiness of the people is the abolition of religion." -- Marx

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 19, 2013 01:46 PM (M8OWQ)

41 4 score and 7 yarns ago....

I was selling free health care...

//Bark "steely resolve" obama

Posted by: sven10077 at November 19, 2013 01:46 PM (9jfyN)

42 And Obama.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 19, 2013 01:46 PM (M8OWQ)

43 As you say, ace, it's a signal.

Posted by: AmishDude at November 19, 2013 05:45 PM (T0NGe)

 

kinda like no hand on your heard for Pledge of Allegiance/National Anthem

 

 

Posted by: Fred Q. at November 19, 2013 01:46 PM (W6iIX)

44 Sorry-meant all in a "good" cause.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 19, 2013 01:47 PM (23Kgq)

45 "Experience praises the most happy the one who made the most people happy." -- Marx

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 19, 2013 01:47 PM (M8OWQ)

46 Check out markbelling.com pod cast for today 1st hr. He nails it. Podcast available after 6pm cst TFG thinks he is the next Lincoln

Posted by: Old man Kennedy at November 19, 2013 01:47 PM (HVff2)

47 I'm pretty sure that Maher's right about Obama's atheism. How many people do you know who didn't have a religious upbringing believe in God? How many double-Ivy-educated liberal law professors** do you know who believe in God? Sure, he joined a church... right at the time that it became helpful to his career aspirations to do so.

For me, the biggest thing is something I can't quantify. It's just a feeling I get. When Obama talks about Christianity, it just seems a little... off.  He speaks of it like someone whose exposure to it consists of one course in college, something like "Foundations of Christian Theology" or "Christianity in the New World, 1492 to Present" or "Introduction to Christian Moral Philosophy." He knows something about the faith, but he doesn't speak of it like someone who has experienced it.

I think we all know this, at least implicitly. It's the whole gay marriage thing again. Everybody knows where Obama really stands, and why he won't come out and say it... yet.


**I know he was never a real professor, but just go with it.

Posted by: Masturbatin' Pete at November 19, 2013 01:47 PM (xN1DB)

48 ...well you know ...Rev Wright and all that.

Posted by: dogfish at November 19, 2013 01:47 PM (nsOJa)

49 "Our program necessarily includes the propaganda of Atheism." -- Lenin

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 19, 2013 01:48 PM (M8OWQ)

50 C'mon guys, its not like anyone has ever compared Obama to Lincoln, right? /sarc

Posted by: Flyguy at November 19, 2013 01:48 PM (BeFHp)

51 35 AmishDude at November 19, 2013 05:45 PM (T0NGe)

It's a flase signal...he skins his knees five times a day....six if Reggie is nearby

Posted by: sven10077 at November 19, 2013 01:48 PM (9jfyN)

52

Yeah, and the invitation to appear apparently went out a while back - as in "before  the Obamacare site went  live".

 

It takes more than  six weeks to plan for a Presidential appearance,  and they had to have enough lead time to prepare for his entourage/security/etc.

 

What does Obama care? 

 

It's not like HIS ancestors were slaves.

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX (@Teresa_Koch) at November 19, 2013 01:48 PM (PZ6/M)

53 Maximizing happiness.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 19, 2013 01:48 PM (M8OWQ)

54 BTW, Shorpy has the old picture of Lincoln at Gettysburg immediately after giving the address up right now.

Posted by: Vic at November 19, 2013 01:48 PM (FTQyq)

55 You know, crap like this will really help GOP candidates...

Posted by: Ken Cuccinelli at November 19, 2013 01:48 PM (gXRIG)

56 And morality.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 19, 2013 01:48 PM (M8OWQ)

57 I wish he would drop the act of pretending to be a Christian altogether.  Just stop.  It's insulting to me and it's insulting to the faith.

Posted by: mama wingr at November 19, 2013 01:48 PM (P6QsQ)

58 What about Obama isn't a lie?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 19, 2013 01:48 PM (23Kgq)

59 Makes sense to honor no white man during a slavery war.

Posted by: Toure at November 19, 2013 01:49 PM (KQp38)

60 Because Altruism and Progress. And Morality.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 19, 2013 01:49 PM (M8OWQ)

61 The only website that's going to destroy the Dem Party is: FreeGayButtSexWithGerbils.com

Posted by: did I say that out loud? at November 19, 2013 01:49 PM (wAQA5)

62 Serious question: was "under God" in Lincoln's handwritten speech? Are there really multiple versions? What is the address that Lincoln actually gave? Yes. There are 5 versions written in Lincoln's hand. Two appeared to have been done before the speech. Three were "commemorative" and done after the speech. It appears that the "under God" appears in the later versions. It might be more historically accurate but he had a choice to make and he made it.

Posted by: AmishDude at November 19, 2013 01:49 PM (T0NGe)

63
I didnt find out that I had left out "God" in the Gettysburg Address  until I heard about it in the news like everybody else.

And boy.... when I found out, I was very very angry.  I will hold the responsible parties responsible.  I have ordered my staff to conduct a thorough investigation into the matter and I promise I will get to the bottom of this.

Nobody is more upset about this than me.

Posted by: Barrack Hussein Obama at November 19, 2013 01:49 PM (nELVU)

64

The new common core standards seem pretty opinionated on how teachers are supposed to teach the Gettysburg Address. Hint, avoid the "privilege" of background knowledge.

 

 

 

http://tinyurl.com/bog2n8m

 

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at November 19, 2013 01:49 PM (RZ8pf)

65 And of course there's nothing Orwellian or Marxist about rewriting history.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 19, 2013 01:49 PM (M8OWQ)

66

Tweet from Dan Pfeiffer: "Oh, I don't know, there's this whole website thing that someone suggested might destroy the Dem Party"

You mean kinda like slavery did for a generation or so?

Posted by: Stuff Ron Fournier shoulda said at November 19, 2013 01:49 PM (yFb77)

67 Posted by: mama wingr at November 19, 2013 05:48 PM (P6QsQ) Amen.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 19, 2013 01:49 PM (23Kgq)

68 Everyone who's shocked, raise your hand.

Anyone?

You in the back? 

no one?


Posted by: tangonine at November 19, 2013 01:49 PM (x3YFz)

69 43 As you say, ace, it's a signal.
Posted by: AmishDude at November 19, 2013 05:45 PM (T0NGe)

kinda like no hand on your heard for Pledge of Allegiance/National Anthem

Posted by: Fred Q. at November 19, 2013 05:46 PM (W6iIX)

You wonder what the idiot is signalling for anymore, if that is indeed the case. The asshole is lame-duck, his future with his sycophants is assured. He must be pathological enough that he constantly needs to give the high-sign to his peeps to preserve his cred, I guess.

Posted by: tubal at November 19, 2013 01:50 PM (2NeaA)

70 Making it easier for the "masses" to comprehend.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 19, 2013 01:50 PM (M8OWQ)

71 It's not like HIS ancestors were slaves.

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX (@Teresa_Koch) at November 19, 2013 05:48 PM (PZ6/M)

 

 

well in America.

 

Lots of slavery in East Africa throught history.

 

Lots of islamic Slavery from 600 to 1975 too

Posted by: Fred Q. at November 19, 2013 01:50 PM (W6iIX)

72 Correcting it politically.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 19, 2013 01:50 PM (M8OWQ)

73 Yep. Obama is an atheist. The reason he joined Rev. Wright's church was he vowed not to get "out-blacked" again like he did vs Bobby Rush. So he joined the most racist, blackest "Christian" church he could find.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 19, 2013 01:50 PM (ZPrif)

74 Even if one were to believe that canard of separation of church and state, they would be smart enough to recognize one doesn't have to change historical speeches to be in compliance.

I think I see the problem in my sentence relative to Teh One.

Posted by: dogfish at November 19, 2013 01:50 PM (nsOJa)

75 I'm not running for president again. I don't have to fake this shit anymore. It's off the Fuhrer Bunker for me and playing spades with Reggie.

Posted by: Blithering SCOAMF at November 19, 2013 01:50 PM (dvRYt)

76 Making it "up to date." 'Keeping it real.'

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 19, 2013 01:50 PM (M8OWQ)

77 "I will stand with the computer programmers should the political winds shift in an ugly direction," p349, "Dreams of My Obamacare Website Developer."

Posted by: Baldy at November 19, 2013 01:51 PM (2bql3)

78 http://i.imgur.com/T7dwCiw.jpg

Cool tornado pic, poor home design

Posted by: Jean at November 19, 2013 01:51 PM (CMlD4)

79 To be fair to Obama, he replaced 'Under God' with 'and the Middle Class'.

Posted by: garrett at November 19, 2013 01:51 PM (KCoLk)

80 All of us are descended from slaves, just a question of how far back you go. All of us are no doubt also descendants of slavemasters as well.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 19, 2013 01:51 PM (ZPrif)

81

drat, found a better WaPo link that is from today about the common core idiocy in regard to Gettysburg Address:

 

 

http://tinyurl.com/ly6aufh

 

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at November 19, 2013 01:51 PM (RZ8pf)

82 He isn't an atheist - none of the left are actual atheists. They're simply anti-theistic bigots. Calling the left atheist is like calling the KKK "unconcerned about tanning".

Posted by: Inspector Cussword at November 19, 2013 01:51 PM (eaIpn)

83

I wondered how long it would be before the "he's a Muslim" comments.

 

Congratulations guys, that didn't take long.

 

now the countdown until "Kenyan".

Posted by: burmatar at November 19, 2013 01:51 PM (eVrOK)

84 I was actually up at the ceremonies today. And I fully thank God for keeping the gibbering SCOAMF far away from what turned out to be a fine enough commemoration. And anyway, there were NO TELEPROMPTERS on site. How could he be expected to cope with that racist obstacle?!

Still, the day did have some SCOAMF-stink on it. In his place, his idiot Sec. of the Interior got up any babbled. And the Park Service asshole who we all grew to love so during the shutdown circus also spoke forgettable words. And they trotted out a young, black, female, park police officer as a prop to read some gibberish that SCOAMF's speechwriters wrote for him. (Actually, she was a better orator.) And finally the new citizens who were sworn in at the end (by Justice Scalia, awesomely enough) were treated to a recording of him jabbering further.

Nevertheless...the event was blessed by his absence.

Posted by: Stu-22 at November 19, 2013 01:51 PM (k4bdL)

85 Didn't he get sworn in on Lincoln's Bible? I really do wonder why he would avoid this. Other than just to be a douche.

Posted by: shredded chi at November 19, 2013 01:51 PM (1S9oZ)

86 Yeah, and the invitation to appear apparently went out a while back - as in "before the Obamacare site went live". January. The invitation that counts came jointly from Toomey and Casey.

Posted by: AmishDude at November 19, 2013 01:52 PM (T0NGe)

87 >>>Are there really multiple versions? What is the address that Lincoln actually gave? I think it's unclear because "recording" consisted of people taking notes, and reporters' notes varied. See that link about the multiple versions. I saw the version Obama read as an "early draft" but I don't know if that's true or not.

Posted by: ace at November 19, 2013 01:52 PM (/FnUH)

88 Surely you jest that his time, that is the most important of anyone anywhere anytime, should be spent on something as silly as this commemoration.

Posted by: shelby at November 19, 2013 01:52 PM (TKaeM)

89 It's reached the point that this asshole can't even annoy me anymore.  You *expect* him to be a prick so when he's a prick it's just; "oh... yeah.  saw that coming."

He will stand as the epitome of failure forever.  So there's that.

Posted by: tangonine at November 19, 2013 01:52 PM (x3YFz)

90 Slavery wasn't invented in the New World. And it didn't end in 1865. Chinese buddy of mine --- his father was rounded up by his govt and forced to farm in the countryside against his will. Sounds like slavery to me.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at November 19, 2013 01:53 PM (ZPrif)

91

I really do wonder why he would avoid this.

 

 

Narcissism is a helluva drug.

Posted by: Ric James at November 19, 2013 01:53 PM (KCoLk)

92 Posted by: burmatar at November 19, 2013 05:51 PM (eVrOK)


Actually, we're working down to "bumbling incompetent."

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 19, 2013 01:53 PM (8ZskC)

93 The irony is that Obama is excluding the only thing that can possibly heal this land, and that is the mercy of Almighty God.

Posted by: mama wingr at November 19, 2013 01:53 PM (P6QsQ)

94

Our Father complains: "I was ready to respond to those who asked Me not, to be found by those who sought Me not. I said: Here I am! Here I am! To a nation that did not call My Name" (Is 65:1).

Posted by: odd... at November 19, 2013 01:53 PM (kduZC)

95 83 burmatar at November 19, 2013 05:51 PM (eVrOK)

Yeah it is not like he is sucking off Iran and is constantly using the USAF and USNAF as Rad Islam's Air Wing or anything....

hey maybe you can explain to me how is fucktardery is inspired by his chic chic atheism....

Posted by: sven10077 at November 19, 2013 01:53 PM (9jfyN)

96 As far as I know there is ONLY one true version and it should be well documented since they have his original notes he made on the train ride to Gettysburg. Posted by: Vic at November 19, 2013 05:46 PM (FTQyq) Actually there is no official version. There are more popular versions. There are 5 usually rercognize versions

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 19, 2013 01:53 PM (t3UFN)

97 The Gettysburg Address, while OK, failed to include the "I"s that all great speeches need, no demand. That and the God thing make it a C+ speech at best.

Posted by: BARACK!! at November 19, 2013 01:54 PM (xlX1p)

98 That's President Douchenozzles to you peons Seriously, I don't think he is a muzzie but terribly sympathetic to the religion.

Posted by: Old man Kennedy at November 19, 2013 01:54 PM (HVff2)

99 "Falsani (interviewer): Do you believe in sin?

OBAMA: Yes.

Falsani: What is sin?

OBAMA: Being out of alignment with my values."

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at November 19, 2013 01:54 PM (rSTkb)

100 Glad he did not go and sully that sacred ground, but in the end obamacare will bury more people that ever died at Gettysburgh

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 19, 2013 01:54 PM (t3UFN)

101 92 Cicero (@cicero) at November 19, 2013 05:53 PM (8ZskC)

Oh he needs to work his way up to merely incompetent...

Posted by: sven10077 at November 19, 2013 01:54 PM (9jfyN)

102

See that link about the multiple versions.

I saw the version Obama read as an "early draft" but I don't know if that's true or not.

 

 

There are multiple drafts, iirc  and the draft he edited en route is at the Library of Congress.

Posted by: garrett at November 19, 2013 01:54 PM (KCoLk)

103 It's only been a nation under God since Jan '09.

Posted by: The Mega Independent at November 19, 2013 01:54 PM (4/o9U)

104 Pretty sure he's also taken out the god ("endowed by our creator") parts when quoting the Declaration of Independence....why yes, yes he has:
http://preview.tinyurl.com/2cah5vc

Posted by: Leonard Cohen at November 19, 2013 01:54 PM (JRmiD)

105 There are 5 usually rercognize versions Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 19, 2013 05:53 PM (t3UFN) Mizled

Posted by: Cajun Caret at November 19, 2013 01:54 PM (UZQM8)

106 Posted by: Vic at November 19, 2013 05:46 PM (FTQyq)

Who knows whether his notes accurately represent his actual speech?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 19, 2013 01:55 PM (oJ5Fd)

107 And of course if someone insults a homosexual, that's the biggest tragedy ever. A Theist, not so much. Because the pecking order must be made explicit whenever possible. Homosexuals and other grievance mongers and Leftists, on top. Theists/traditionalists/Conservatives, at the other end of the spectrum.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 19, 2013 01:55 PM (M8OWQ)

108 96 Nevergiveup at November 19, 2013 05:53 PM (t3UFN)

The "real version" is his speech to the public..."under God" was in it.


Posted by: sven10077 at November 19, 2013 01:55 PM (9jfyN)

109 As The One informed his speechwriters, he can write speeches better than they could. Apparently this rule applies even to The Great Emancipator. A more arrogant POS I've never seen. Even Bill Clinton is starting to look like Mother Teresa by comparison and that's saying something...

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent at November 19, 2013 01:55 PM (PMGbu)

110 Who knows whether his notes accurately represent his actual speech? Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 19, 2013 05:55 PM (oJ5Fd) My notes are unrecognizable,even to me, 5 minutes after I've written them

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 19, 2013 01:56 PM (t3UFN)

111 It appears that the "under God" appears in the later versions. It might be more historically accurate but he had a choice to make and he made it.
Posted by: AmishDude


One cannot even draw the conclusion that the original versions are more accurate.  He may have said the words "under God" in the actual speech and so he wrote the commemorative versions to be in compliance with his actual words.


But you are spot on about Glitch having a choice.

Posted by: dogfish at November 19, 2013 01:56 PM (nsOJa)

112 107 And by other end of the spectrum, we mean the waste pipe end.

Posted by: Blue State Hostage at November 19, 2013 01:56 PM (JMt7S)

113 "Falsani (interviewer): Do you believe in sin?

OBAMA: Yes.

Falsani: What is sin?

OBAMA: Being out of alignment with my values."

Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 19, 2013 05:54 PM (rSTkb)


------------------




Ohhhh, I had forgotten that!

Posted by: mama wingr at November 19, 2013 01:56 PM (P6QsQ)

114 The "real version" is his speech to the public..."under God" was in it. Posted by: sven10077 at November 19, 2013 05:55 PM (9jfyN) I have no doubt, but how do you know that? You heard the tape?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 19, 2013 01:56 PM (t3UFN)

115
Didn't he get sworn in on Lincoln's Bible?
Posted by: shredded chi



Fun fact from WZ:

The final version of the speech with "under God" is in the Lincoln room at the White House.  He could have brought it with him in case he got stuck.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at November 19, 2013 01:56 PM (kdS6q)

116 Atheists have an annoying need to constantly reassure each other that they all agree (and "know") that God definitely does not exist. Because Empathy and Altruism.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 19, 2013 01:57 PM (M8OWQ)

117

He also twice left out "endowed by their Creator" when quoting the Declaration of Independence.  http://tinyurl.com/2cah5vc 

Posted by: Bud Norton at November 19, 2013 01:57 PM (6cOMd)

118 What we have here..... is a failure to communicate.

Posted by: Severe Conservative riding Orca at November 19, 2013 01:57 PM (RFeQD)

119 But who knows how people's brains are wired. Why they might be so obsessed with God's alleged nonexistence.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 19, 2013 01:58 PM (M8OWQ)

120 Atheists have an annoying need to constantly reassure each other that they all agree (and "know") that God definitely does not exist. Because Empathy and Altruism.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 19, 2013 05:57 PM (M8OWQ)

 

 

If only they were half as tedious as you.

Posted by: garrett at November 19, 2013 01:58 PM (KCoLk)

121 Seriously, I don't think he is a muzzie but terribly sympathetic to the religion.

Posted by: Old man Kennedy at November 19, 2013 05:54 PM (HVff2)

Wrap my head in tin foil and call me crazy but yeah.  Same camp.  He offers preferential support to pro-islamic groups/govts over christian ones. 

Posted by: tangonine at November 19, 2013 01:58 PM (x3YFz)

122 Don't forget that he has also cited the Declaration of Indep a few times omitting the phrase "by their Creator." It contradicts the Left's belief that rights are endowed by the State.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at November 19, 2013 01:58 PM (dfYL9)

123  I'm glad he's not going.   I don't want his filthy presence desecrating that place of honor.

Posted by: Soona at November 19, 2013 01:58 PM (66ULQ)

124 Makes sense to honor no white man during a slavery war. Posted by: Toure at November 19, 2013 05:49 PM (KQp3 No honor to the white men who died to end it? At the peak of slavery time in the USA, circa 1861, 1.6% of the population owned slaves. I'm not about to feel any guilt about that.

Posted by: Meremortal, thinking of low info mofos at November 19, 2013 01:59 PM (1Y+hH)

125 But surely all of their motives must be extremely pure. Because Atheism.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 19, 2013 01:59 PM (M8OWQ)

126 Posted by: mama wingr at November 19, 2013 05:53 PM (P6QsQ) So the rest of us who actually are people of religious faith-have to fill in the gap and pray for God's mercy and forgiveness.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 19, 2013 01:59 PM (23Kgq)

127 Telling that Lincoln's speech is so remembered, and President "Greatest Orator EVAR!!!!" 's are forgotten as son as he says them. Another note? Lincoln never refers to himself in the speech.

Posted by: --- at November 19, 2013 01:59 PM (MMC8r)

128 I like the "don't make Lincoln choke a bitch" version the best.

Posted by: Dr Spank at November 19, 2013 01:59 PM (xlX1p)

129 120 Atheists have an annoying need to constantly reassure each other that they all agree (and "know") that God definitely does not exist. Because Empathy and Altruism.Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 19, 2013 05:57 PM (M8OWQ) If only they were half as tedious as you.

Posted by: garrett at November 19, 2013 05:58 PM (KCoLk)

I'm guessing you were thinking that was a clever comment.

Posted by: tangonine at November 19, 2013 01:59 PM (x3YFz)

130 As is of course their desire to always rub their cocks in Theists' faces.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 19, 2013 01:59 PM (M8OWQ)

131 Teh JEF is laughing at our Sturm and Drang.

Posted by: Truck Monkey, Gruntled New Business Owner at November 19, 2013 02:00 PM (jucos)

132 He isn't an atheist - none of the left are actual atheists. They're simply anti-theistic bigots. An important distinction. I respect someone who can't believe. Even more than someone who believes without reflection. But the evangelical atheists have this "false consciousness" that an atheist society will be a nirvana of enlightenment.

Posted by: AmishDude at November 19, 2013 02:00 PM (T0NGe)

133 The websites of gods would work. 

Obama's doesn't; therefore he can't be a god.

QED

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/s] at November 19, 2013 02:00 PM (Xlbr8)

134 114 Nevergiveup at November 19, 2013 05:56 PM (t3UFN)

Vic was there....

http://tinyurl.com/naaeykm

Also why would Lincoln add under God after a speech with pre-speech notes omitting it unless he added it?

Sorry the way I was taught to take SWAGs on such things was to trust the last known version from the period.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 19, 2013 02:00 PM (9jfyN)

135

I'm guessing you were thinking that was a clever comment.

 

 

MuMR is a broken fucking record.  It's beyond tiresome.

Posted by: garrett at November 19, 2013 02:00 PM (KCoLk)

136 So the rest of us who actually are people of religious faith-have to fill in the gap and pray for God's mercy and forgiveness.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 19, 2013 05:59 PM (23Kgq)


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I wonder at what point God will just turn us over to our own way....

Posted by: mama wingr at November 19, 2013 02:00 PM (P6QsQ)

137 124 Makes sense to honor no white man during a slavery war.
Posted by: Toure at November 19, 2013 05:49 PM (KQp3



No honor to the white men who died to end it? At the peak of slavery time in the USA, circa 1861, 1.6% of the population owned slaves.

I'm not about to feel any guilt about that.

Posted by: Meremortal, thinking of low info mofos at November 19, 2013 05:59 PM (1Y+hH)

I think that's a sock. 

If not, then fire at will.

Posted by: tangonine at November 19, 2013 02:00 PM (x3YFz)

138 Because Empathy.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 19, 2013 02:00 PM (M8OWQ)

139 Falsani (interviewer): Do you believe in sin? OBAMA: Yes. Falsani: What is sin? OBAMA: Being out of alignment with my values." Sounds a lot like he's setting himself up as god there.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 19, 2013 02:01 PM (23Kgq)

140 Posted by: Dr Spank at November 19, 2013 05:59 PM (xlX1p)

How fucking irreverent can you get?

Prick.

Especially because I laughed.

A lot.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 19, 2013 02:01 PM (oJ5Fd)

141 Ken Burns ASKED Obama to read from text that didn't have "Under God". http://www.mediaite.com/tv/obama-omits-under-god- from-gettysburg-address-outrage-ensues/

Posted by: Comrade Arthur at November 19, 2013 02:01 PM (3dfzh)

142 Just keep snarking, Dan "Asshole" Pfeiffer. Ain't gonna be the website that kills the Donks.

Posted by: FYNQ at November 19, 2013 02:01 PM (+rvpI)

143 And the desire to be nice. Atheists are all about being nice.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 19, 2013 02:01 PM (M8OWQ)

144 There's no golf course at Gettysburg.

Ike's house in Gettysburg has a putting and chipping green. I remember it well.

Posted by: Kevin in ABQ at November 19, 2013 02:01 PM (BvTwT)

145 Also why would Lincoln add under God after a speech with pre-speech notes omitting it unless he added it? Sorry the way I was taught to take SWAGs on such things was to trust the last known version from the period. Posted by: sven10077 at November 19, 2013 06:00 PM (9jfyN) I believe he said it. That would fit in with the norms of the day and Lincoln himself. All I am saying is that there is no conclusive proof

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 19, 2013 02:01 PM (t3UFN)

146 83 Posted by: burmatar at November 19, 2013 05:51 PM (eVrOK) ---- Yeah, most Christians name their kids Something "Husein" Something.

Posted by: Baldy at November 19, 2013 02:02 PM (2bql3)

147 You mean they were not able to determine for sure what version he  actually gave at Gettysburg?   Man our historians sucked at that time. 

Posted by: polynikes at November 19, 2013 02:02 PM (m2CN7)

148 thanks amishdude.

Posted by: prescient11 at November 19, 2013 02:02 PM (tVTLU)

149 "But of course the reason is, as Bill Maher says, that he's an atheist, and wants to signal that to his fellows, and doesn't like all this religion googly-moogly. Oh, he'll claim to be a believer to get the votes of believers, but no, the guy doesn't believe in God. And yeah, Bill Maher's right about that."

I don't assess Obama as being an atheist.

Some people who manifest exceptionally severe cases of narcissistic personality disorder literally do believe themselves to be divine.

That's Obama.

Posted by: torquewrench at November 19, 2013 02:02 PM (gqT4g)

150 I wonder at what point God will just turn us over to our own way....

Posted by: mama wingr at November 19, 2013 06:00 PM (P6QsQ)

______________________

I believe this is what we are now living through.

Posted by: Truck Monkey, Gruntled New Business Owner at November 19, 2013 02:03 PM (jucos)

151 I wonder at what point God will just turn us over to our own way....

Posted by: mama wingr at November 19, 2013 06:00 PM (P6QsQ)

Look around you - quite a while back, now. We jumped the damned shark many years ago. It's whirlwind time now, mama.

Posted by: tubal at November 19, 2013 02:03 PM (2NeaA)

152 So would Pfeiffer have answered the q with the same nasty tone had it been asked by one his butt buddies at, say, the NYT?

Posted by: the littl shyning man at November 19, 2013 02:03 PM (tmFlQ)

153 141 Posted by: Comrade Arthur at November 19, 2013 06:01 PM (3dfzh) --- That is what Ken Burns SAYS. It isn't necessarily true.

Posted by: Baldy at November 19, 2013 02:03 PM (2bql3)

154 As I said on twitter. Pfeiffer is more at less admitting that Obama is more concerned with the democrat party than with honoring a massively historical moment in history. (Even that's not true most likely but that's the lie he told.) President of how much of the US then? Oh right, just democrats.

Posted by: tsrblke PhD(c) (No really!) at November 19, 2013 02:03 PM (GaqMa)

155 And definitely not "bigoted"/"prejudiced"/"biased." Later, all. God bless. :-)

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at November 19, 2013 02:03 PM (M8OWQ)

156 I wonder at what point God will just turn us over to our own way....

Posted by: mama wingr at November 19, 2013 06:00 PM (P6QsQ)

I offer this as a practitioner of the dark arts of physics:  He put  blibbidybilliontrillion(tm) galaxies together.  I'm sure he can handle a couple pesky humans.

Posted by: tangonine at November 19, 2013 02:03 PM (x3YFz)

157 Ah, Ken Burns. Or as he is sometimes called: Mr Know It All.

Posted by: Severe Conservative riding Orca at November 19, 2013 02:03 PM (RFeQD)

158 >>Some people who manifest exceptionally severe cases of narcissistic personality disorder literally do believe themselves to be divine.

Well, he certainly believes himself infallible.

Posted by: Lizzy at November 19, 2013 02:03 PM (JRmiD)

159 I'm guessing you were thinking that was a clever comment. My vote's with Garrett. MUMR's postings are becoming weird and repetitive...

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent at November 19, 2013 02:04 PM (PMGbu)

160 93 The irony is that Obama is excluding the only thing that can possibly heal this land, and that is the mercy of Almighty God.

*******

Troof. But G may already be working. He might, for example, have recently developed an interest in websites and monkey wrenches.

Posted by: Bob's House of Flannel Shirts and Wallet Chains at November 19, 2013 02:04 PM (pj6Nr)

161 Man our historians sucked at that time.

Cut'em some slack.  The tapes of the TV broadcast were lost in a fire.

Posted by: Joe Biden at November 19, 2013 02:04 PM (Xlbr8)

162 Breaking : S Ct. refuses to block Texas abortion restrictions.

Posted by: Dr Spank at November 19, 2013 02:04 PM (xlX1p)

163 I am the reincarnation of Lincoln. Attending the anniversary of Gettysburg would be a little self serving, don't you think? Even for me. Besides, you people bitch about my travel expenses, so I am trying to cut back to celebrity dinner parties, vacations, golf outings, and fundraisers only. Oh... and they start these things too early. I don't get to work until after 10 AM.

Posted by: Barack Obama, Chairman of GM and Inventor of the Volt at November 19, 2013 02:04 PM (j0wOO)

164
"It didn't work schedule-wise," was the explanation tweeted Tuesday morning by Dan Pfeiffer, the president's senior adviser.

The schedule released by the White House showed the president at 10 a.m. in the Oval Office receiving his regular daily briefing. Then, at 10:45, he welcomed to the White House a group of senators to brief them on the latest developments in Iran. That briefing was not scheduled until Monday, well after the White House declined the Gettysburg invitation. Later in the day -- after he would have been back from the planned ceremony at Gettysburg -- he goes to the Four Seasons Hotel to address The Wall Street Journal CEO Council's annual meeting and talk about the economy.

National Journal



Lazy bastard.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at November 19, 2013 02:04 PM (kdS6q)

165 Don't forget that he has also cited the Declaration of Indep a few times omitting the phrase "by their Creator." It contradicts the Left's belief that rights are endowed by the State. A local radio talk-show host said it the best I've ever heard it, "God is a legal concept." You don't have to believe that "the Creator" means an actual conscious entity. You have to believe that it means that the rights are just beyond the power of men to change.

Posted by: AmishDude at November 19, 2013 02:05 PM (T0NGe)

166 How arrogant must you be to edit the Gettysburg Address? I'm an atheist however, there is nothing in that speech that is offensive to anyone. Asshole.

Posted by: Comrade Jesse, not welcoming our socialist overlords at November 19, 2013 02:05 PM (kkbgQ)

167 Posted by: mama wingr at November 19, 2013 06:00 PM (P6QsQ) Very good question and I don't know the answer. At this point because I believe in the communion of Saints I'm asking them to intercede with God in the name of Jesus to save our country. I can't believe that people like St Pio-no friend to communists or very holy men but not declared Saints- like Fr Emil Kapuan or Fr. Cizeck (sp?), the first who died in a communist Prison camp, the second who served as a Priest in the gulag wouldn't have some interest in whether the CIC was a communist.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 19, 2013 02:05 PM (23Kgq)

168

@87 I think it's unclear because "recording" consisted of people taking notes, and reporters' notes varied.

 

 

 

But on this one point, they ALL agreed:

>>>at least three reporters telegraphed the text of Lincoln's speech on the day the Address was given with the words "under God" included. Historian William E. Barton argues that:

 

Every stenographic report, good, bad and indifferent, says 'that the nation shall, under God, have a new birth of freedom.' There was no common source from which all the reporters could have obtained those words but from Lincoln's own lips at the time of delivery. It will not do to say that [Secretary of War] Stanton suggested those words after Lincoln's return to Washington, for the words were telegraphed by at least three reporters on the afternoon of the delivery<<<

 

 

http://is.gd/vRyUry

 

 

 

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX (@Teresa_Koch) at November 19, 2013 02:05 PM (PZ6/M)

169 145 Nevergiveup at November 19, 2013 06:01 PM (t3UFN)

Going by that college dorm pot haze measure of "proof" we have no George Washington Farewell Address to the Troops or his saving the Republic by putting down the mutiny begging indulgence to wear spectacles as "I have also gone blind."

Obama is a twat.  He willfully undermines our history and tapestry because he is a megalomaniac who does not give a fuck that the nation needs binding even when  he is a distant memory.  This used to bother me a LOT more until about 12 months ago.

I am slowly letting go of my memories of the great nation we were when I was younger, and the mighty one when I was a faint hope to some Ohio dirt farmer.

Posted by: sven10077 at November 19, 2013 02:05 PM (9jfyN)

170 159 I'm guessing you were thinking that was a clever comment.

My vote's with Garrett. MUMR's postings are becoming weird and repetitive...

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent at November 19, 2013 06:04 PM (PMGbu)

Didn't mean to friendly fire.  Going safe.  Sorry garrett.

Posted by: tangonine at November 19, 2013 02:05 PM (x3YFz)

171

 There's no golf course at Gettysburg.
___________________

Wrong.  There are 4 really good courses within 10 minutes of Gettysburg.

Posted by: Truck Monkey, Gruntled New Business Owner at November 19, 2013 02:05 PM (jucos)

172 All I am saying is that there is no conclusive proof

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 19, 2013 06:01 PM (t3UFN)

I am reasonably confident that Abraham Lincoln was a religious man, one who loved his country very much, was genuinely pained y the destruction at Gettysburg, and in awe of the sacrifice made by all involved.

And now I am going to read the Gettysburg Address and ponder how we went from Lincoln to Reagan to Obama in 150 years.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 19, 2013 02:05 PM (oJ5Fd)

173 That is what Ken Burns SAYS. It isn't necessarily true. Posted by: Baldy at November 19, 2013 06:03 PM (2bql3) Ken Burns is a far left winger. I am sure he would say anything to protect the black messiah

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 19, 2013 02:06 PM (t3UFN)

174 Wow, you need another clue? Chances are you wear a silly grin.

Posted by: 7 Days in May at November 19, 2013 02:06 PM (j6DTo)

175 Troof. But G may already be working. He might, for example, have recently developed an interest in websites and monkey wrenches.

Posted by: Bob's House of Flannel Shirts and Wallet Chains at November 19, 2013 06:04 PM (pj6Nr)


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Your comment made me smile.  So did your nic. 

Posted by: mama wingr at November 19, 2013 02:06 PM (P6QsQ)

176 166 How arrogant must you be to edit the Gettysburg Address? I'm an atheist however, there is nothing in that speech that is offensive to anyone. Asshole.

Posted by: Comrade Jesse, not welcoming our socialist overlords at November 19, 2013 06:05 PM (kkbgQ)

The Crux of it!  It's not about religion or not religion to him, it's about power and control.

Posted by: tangonine at November 19, 2013 02:06 PM (x3YFz)

177 Why would Obama honor a speech that doesn't mention him?

Posted by: --- at November 19, 2013 02:07 PM (MMC8r)

178 147 You mean they were not able to determine for sure what version he actually gave at Gettysburg? Man our historians sucked at that time. Posted by: polynikes at November 19, 2013 06:02 PM (m2CN7) All evidence really points to the Civil War being a 'wag the dog' event.

Posted by: Conspiracy Theorist[/i][/u][/b] at November 19, 2013 02:07 PM (Qxe/p)

179 I wonder at what point God will just turn us over to our own way....

Posted by: mama wingr at November 19, 2013 06:00 PM (P6QsQ)

 

 

---------------------------------------------

 

 

Look around.  I think he already has. 

 

There is no harsher judgement from God than to let man go his own way.

Posted by: Soona at November 19, 2013 02:08 PM (66ULQ)

180 Well I posted this in the AM. I sent this out to my Navy Unit this AM: Today is the 150th Anniversary of the Gettysburg Address: In November 1863, President Abraham Lincoln was invited to deliver remarks, which later became known as the Gettysburg Address, at the official dedication ceremony for the National Cemetery of Gettysburg in Pennsylvania, on the site of one of the bloodiest and most decisive battles of the Civil War. Though he was not the featured orator that day, Lincoln's 273-word address would be remembered as one of the most important speeches in American history. In it, he invoked the principles of human equality contained in the Declaration of Independence and connected the sacrifices of the Civil War with the desire for "a new birth of freedom," as well as the all-important preservation of the Union created in 1776 and its ideal of self-government. --------------------- Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent, a new nation, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal. Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation, or any nation so conceived and so dedicated, can long endure. We are met on a great battle-field of that war. We have come to dedicate a portion of that field, as a final resting place for those who here gave their lives that that nation might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this. But, in a larger sense, we can not dedicate -- we can not consecrate -- we can not hallow -- this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled here, have consecrated it, far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note, nor long remember what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here. It is for us the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us -- that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion -- that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain -- that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom -- and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth. Abraham Lincoln November 19, 1863 "Non sibi sed patriae" /Not self but country

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 19, 2013 02:08 PM (t3UFN)

181 87 >>>Are there really multiple versions? What is the address that Lincoln actually gave?

I think it's unclear because "recording" consisted of people taking notes, and reporters' notes varied.

See that link about the multiple versions.

I saw the version Obama read as an "early draft" but I don't know if that's true or not.

Posted by: ace at November 19, 2013 05:52 PM (/FnUH)



Ace the one I posted above from Gettysburg.com is the one that he gave.  The way they describe it there are only two versions.  The original which he wrote in Washington and then he edited that version in Gettysburg the night before on the 18th.  That is the version that he gave and the "real" address.

Posted by: Vic at November 19, 2013 02:08 PM (FTQyq)

182 I saw an author speak on CSPAN about his book which compared Lincoln's first inaugural address to his second.  The idea was that during the first, Lincoln seemed to believe that man's fate was in his own hands.  During the second, after three long years and hundreds of thousands if deaths, Lincoln seemed to rejected that idea that he could control events and accepted the idea that it was in God's hands.

Posted by: WalrusRex at November 19, 2013 02:08 PM (XUKZU)

183 Of course after the Democrat part (I don't call them Democratic anymore. They're not) booed God at their convention it was all downhill after that

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 19, 2013 02:08 PM (23Kgq)

184 I don't know if it was mentioned before, but I am glad the imbecile didn't go to Gettysburg. The fucker has no business to step on this hallowed ground

Posted by: Ma Bell at November 19, 2013 02:09 PM (RLdcX)

185 at least three reporters telegraphed the text of Lincoln's speech on the day the Address was given with the words "under God" included. Does it for me.

Posted by: AmishDude at November 19, 2013 02:09 PM (T0NGe)

186 184 Of course after the Democrat part (I don't call them Democratic anymore. They're not) booed God at their convention it was all downhill after that Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 19, 2013 06:08 PM (23Kgq) ^^^^

Posted by: jwb7605[/i][/u][/b] at November 19, 2013 02:09 PM (Qxe/p)

187 Why would ken burns ask him to read that version? If he wanted people to read different versions it probably would have been wiser to give Obama one that said God.

Posted by: Paranoidgirlinseattle at November 19, 2013 02:09 PM (RZ8pf)

188 96 Actually there is no official version. There are more popular versions. There are 5 usually rercognize versions

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 19, 2013 05:53 PM (t3UFN)



Not according to Gettysburg.com

Posted by: Vic at November 19, 2013 02:09 PM (FTQyq)

189 Did he add that those soldiers were bitter clingers of their guns and bibles since after all it was in PA.    (side note- I bet a hundred bucks that Obama would not have known Gettysburg was in PA  prior to coming to the WH) 

Posted by: polynikes at November 19, 2013 02:09 PM (m2CN7)

190 Perhaps God is sick of our (collective) bullshit, and has decided to let us suffer for a while under a modern day tyrant. To get our attention. Just a thought. There's precedent for that behavior on the part of the Big Guy, you know.

Posted by: tubal at November 19, 2013 02:10 PM (2NeaA)

191 165 --- Exactly. The important thing is to recognize a transcendent limit on state power.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at November 19, 2013 02:10 PM (dfYL9)

192 >>>Now, actually, there are multiple versions of the Gettysburg Address,

NO! There is only one. There are multiple drafts. Multiple transcripts. But the Gettysburg Address happened once with one version. PERIOD

Citing a manuscript or draft thought to be inaccurate is lying. All the TRANSCRIPTS of the speech include "Under God" so one concludes Lincoln did say it, and our current President intends to lie about the Gettysburg address too.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Laughing Maniacally While Throwing Matches. at November 19, 2013 02:10 PM (0q2P7)

193 Are there really multiple versions? What is the address that Lincoln actually gave? http://www.abrahamlincolnonline.org/lincoln/speeches/gettysburg.htm On June 1, 1865, Senator Charles Sumner referred to the most famous speech ever given by President Abraham Lincoln. In his eulogy on the slain president, he called the Gettysburg Address a "monumental act." He said Lincoln was mistaken that "the world will little note, nor long remember what we say here." Rather, the Bostonian remarked, "The world noted at once what he said, and will never cease to remember it. The battle itself was less important than the speech." There are five known copies of the speech in Lincoln's handwriting, each with a slightly different text, and named for the people who first received them: Nicolay, Hay, Everett, Bancroft and Bliss. Two copies apparently were written before delivering the speech; the remaining ones were produced months later for soldier benefit events. Despite widely-circulated stories to the contrary, the president did not dash off a copy aboard a train to Gettysburg. Lincoln carefully prepared his major speeches in advance; his steady, even script in every manuscript is consistent with a firm writing surface, not the notoriously bumpy Civil War-era trains. Additional versions of the speech appeared in newspapers of the era, feeding modern-day confusion about the authoritative text.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 19, 2013 02:10 PM (t3UFN)

194 History began in January of 2009.

Posted by: Y-not on the phone at November 19, 2013 02:10 PM (nla83)

195 We have nothing to fear with Barack Obama in the White House

Posted by: John McCain at November 19, 2013 02:11 PM (Pr6hk)

196 drat, found a better WaPo link that is from today about the common core idiocy in regard to Gettysburg Address ParanoidGirl, I didn't really understand the whole Common Core kerfuffle until I went to parent's night a few weeks ago. My daughter's Algebra II math teacher tried to explain how it's *good* for the kids to be confused and not understand the problems. My response was not very patient or understanding, and basically came down to "how the heck are they supposed to learn math if they are completely lost?" She looked amazed that I would question their methodology. In addition, the textbook is a complete piece of shit, filled with errors that even an English major like me can find. I laughed out loud at the problem in which a baseball was going 60 feet per minute, although that's probably about right for President Sissypants at Opening Day.

Posted by: jakeman at November 19, 2013 02:11 PM (vH4YP)

197 Of course after the Democrat part (I don't call them Democratic anymore. They're not) booed God at their convention it was all downhill after that

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 19, 2013 06:08 PM (23Kgq)

 

 

--------------------------------------------

 

 

And not once, but three times.

Posted by: Soona at November 19, 2013 02:12 PM (66ULQ)

198 195 Y-not on the phone at November 19, 2013 06:10 PM (nla83)

Spike Lee said it was year zero....

funny thing Pol Pot said the same thing

Posted by: sven10077 at November 19, 2013 02:12 PM (9jfyN)

199

"I was not informed directly that the website would not be working the way it was supposed to. I'm accused of a lot of things. I don't think I'm stupid enough to go around saying this is going to be like shopping on Amazon or Travelocity a week before the website opens if I thought it wasn't going to work."


-Barack Hussein Obama  - 11/14/2013


Sorry to disappoint you Barack, but you are indeed a dumb sum'bitch. 

Posted by: Doctor Fish at November 19, 2013 02:12 PM (pJF+c)

200 On one wall of the Lincoln Memorial is inscribed in stone the Gettysberg Address. On the other wall is inscribed Lincoln's Second Inaugural address, which I think is at once one of the noblest and humblest speeches ever given by any President. The last time I was there some years ago with my kids (now grown) I was standing there reading it again, and a small child asked her Mom what the speech was, and her Mom said it was the second part of the Gettysburg address. She actually didn't know it was the Second Inaugural address, but she actually may have been more right in her ignorance than she knew.

Posted by: Severe Conservative riding Orca at November 19, 2013 02:12 PM (RFeQD)

201 One final note on "versions".  The one at Gettysburg.com is the one I had to memorize in grammar school way back eons ago before all the liberals started revising history.


I'll go with that one. 

Posted by: Vic at November 19, 2013 02:12 PM (FTQyq)

202 Posted by: Vic at November 19, 2013 06:09 PM (FTQyq) The bastion of information that is Wikipedia notes 5 copies, but also notes that even though "under god" was not in the two considered the oldest, the contemporary press reports include it.

Posted by: tsrblke PhD(c) (No really!) at November 19, 2013 02:12 PM (GaqMa)

203 Nobody is more upset at my not attending this historic commemoration than I am. I will not rest until I discover why exactly I didn't attend.

Posted by: Blithering SCOAMF at November 19, 2013 02:12 PM (dvRYt)

204 Marx is a jealous god.

Posted by: toby928© insists on talking about robots at November 19, 2013 02:13 PM (QupBk)

205 "Non sibi sed patriae" /Not self but country

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 19, 2013 06:08 PM (t3UFN)

Good stuff, troop.  Never Quit.

Posted by: tangonine at November 19, 2013 02:14 PM (x3YFz)

206 There can be only one!

Posted by: Abraham McCloud of the Clan McCloud at November 19, 2013 02:14 PM (j0wOO)

207 "I was not informed directly that the website would not be working the way it was supposed to. I'm accused of a lot of things. I don't think I'm stupid enough to go around saying this is going to be like shopping on Amazon or Travelocity a week before the website opens if I thought it wasn't going to work." -Barack Hussein Obama - 11/14/2013 How much to get this put on a plaque at a National Monument?

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at November 19, 2013 02:14 PM (uhAkr)

208
Gettysburg?  Meh.  Just a bunch dead white guys.

Posted by: Obamalamadingdong at November 19, 2013 02:15 PM (Xv7f/)

209 Well, you'll remember at the time that after I flew back into Washington I got on the TV and explained the importance of the Battle of Gettysburg, right before I jetted out to Vegas to do a fundraiser.  I DID say under G-d by the way....

Posted by: Zombie Abe Lincoln at November 19, 2013 02:15 PM (jucos)

210

And not once, but three times.

 

Why's everybody looking    at me?

Posted by: The Chicken at November 19, 2013 02:15 PM (0HooB)

211 And not once, but three times. Indeed. The New Testament imagery was striking.

Posted by: toby928© insists on talking about robots at November 19, 2013 02:15 PM (QupBk)

212 208 Bevel Lemelisk at November 19, 2013 06:14 PM (uhAkr)

35 bucks, and balls

Posted by: sven10077 at November 19, 2013 02:15 PM (9jfyN)

213 Ken Burns is a far left winger. I am sure he would say anything to protect the black messiah
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In his Civil War series,which I generally think is excellent despite some flaws, he has some black feminist stating that the Civil War won't truly be over until we have more welfare.

Posted by: WalrusRex at November 19, 2013 02:15 PM (XUKZU)

214 "Non sibi sed patriae" /Not self but country Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 19, 2013 06:08 PM (t3UFN) Good stuff, troop. Never Quit. Posted by: tangonine at November 19, 2013 06:14 PM (x3YFz) I needed something to sign our names under ( OIC and SEL) and that is also an un-Official Motto of the US Navy

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 19, 2013 02:15 PM (t3UFN)

215 also, robots

Posted by: toby928© insists on talking about robots at November 19, 2013 02:16 PM (QupBk)

216 I haven't read the various versions of the Address but I assume they all end with "but first you must blow me", as was the fashion at the time.

Posted by: Dr Spank at November 19, 2013 02:16 PM (xlX1p)

217 And his aides can just stop bloviatingly lying about his not being there because he was working on the website. He didn't want to be there.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 19, 2013 02:16 PM (23Kgq)

218 "I don't think I'm stupid enough to go around saying this is going to be..." Let the record, and the plaque, reflect that TFG most assuredly said "gonna be."

Posted by: jakeman at November 19, 2013 02:16 PM (vH4YP)

219 216 toby928© insists on talking about robots at November 19, 2013 06:16 PM (QupBk)

and the middle class

Posted by: sven10077 at November 19, 2013 02:16 PM (9jfyN)

220 According to us, Lincoln was a Democrat. So, we're going with the 'no god' thing.

Posted by: Northeastern Illinois University at November 19, 2013 02:17 PM (j0wOO)

221 Damn it!  I just read in the newspaper that I won't be going to Gettysburg.  Man, am I pissed.

Posted by: Baraka O'Preezy at November 19, 2013 02:17 PM (66ULQ)

222 Yes, very nice, Nevergiveup.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 19, 2013 02:17 PM (23Kgq)

223 "Non sibi sed patriae" /Not self but country

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 19, 2013 06:08 PM (t3UFN)
--------------------------




My son's army chaplain insignia reads "Pro Deo et Patria" - "for God and Country".    One day soon I think he will have to choose between the two.

Posted by: mama wingr at November 19, 2013 02:17 PM (P6QsQ)

224 And the Middle Class. Dismissed.

Posted by: Severe Conservative riding Orca at November 19, 2013 02:17 PM (RFeQD)

225 That and the God thing make it a C+ speech at best. I've heard the speech was widely panned by those in attendance. It didn't become very popular until people got the speech in written form. I've heard this is because of Lincoln's bumpkin nasal accent. Of course, I've had to relearn a lot of things I learned as a kid. I've found out lots of things just weren't true.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b] at November 19, 2013 02:18 PM (sByIH)

226 I for one would be very happy if he stayed away from all American historic sites. Starting with the White House

Posted by: Thunderb at November 19, 2013 02:19 PM (zOTsN)

227 The fucker has no business to step on this hallowed ground Posted by: Ma Bell at November 19, 2013 06:09 PM (RLdcX) Naw.... we were kinda hoping he'd show up....

Posted by: Zombies of the Iron Brigade at November 19, 2013 02:19 PM (lZBBB)

228 Had Barry also been given the opportunity, he would have totes kicked Lincoln's ass in hand-to-hand combat, proving once and for all who was the roughest, toughest, fightinest POTUS ever.

Posted by: Fritz at November 19, 2013 02:19 PM (UzPAd)

229 My son's army chaplain insignia reads "Pro Deo et Patria" - "for God and Country". One day soon I think he will have to choose between the two. Posted by: mama wingr at November 19, 2013 06:17 PM (P6QsQ) Yeah I like that one alot also

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 19, 2013 02:19 PM (t3UFN)

230 Jake man, I think a lot of parents don't realize what a big deal common core is, and what a clusterfuck it will turn out to be for the schools. Even teachers aren't quite there yet, they are still thinking they will continue to have more control in the classroom then they actually will. Oh and for all who say "but common core is only math and English it doesn't affect how history is taught" well surprise, up to high school English and history are taught as a block. So yes, it does.

Posted by: Paranoidgirlinseattle at November 19, 2013 02:19 PM (RZ8pf)

231 Did Lincoln shoot Bin Laden in the face? No? Advantage me.

Posted by: BARACK!! at November 19, 2013 02:20 PM (xlX1p)

232
I'm not concerned with the Gettysburg gig because after I leave office, my supporters will begin the process of chiseling my image onto Mr. Rushmore to remind the public of my devotion to duty and outstanding accomplishments.

Posted by: Barack H. O'Buzzkill at November 19, 2013 02:20 PM (pJF+c)

233 If Barry gave the speech, he'd begin with 'shout-outs.'

Posted by: --- at November 19, 2013 02:21 PM (MMC8r)

234 All before 2009 is 'unhistory'

Posted by: Barack O'Stalin at November 19, 2013 02:21 PM (Pr6hk)

235 People who were there say he said "Under God".  Lincoln himself admitted adding it to the speech. It's in the record, for Pete's sake.  Numerous times, from numerous sources.  We don't need to argue about it.  Well, only O'bumbles needs to argue about it.  It's his way.

Posted by: dfbaskwill at November 19, 2013 02:22 PM (ndlFj)

236 Lincoln was a war monger.... I got the Nobel Peace prize so there...... Barry O'Bama...

Posted by: hello, it's me also a creep-assed cracka.. at November 19, 2013 02:22 PM (9+ccr)

237 Obama is an asshole.

He always was an asshole.

He always will be an asshole.

Fuck him, fuck his wife, fuck his inner circle and fuck all the motherfuckers who voted for this miserable bastard.

And fuck his post Presidency!

You thought Jimmy was bad?

This fuck is going to be an insufferable prick- FOR DECADES!!!

Posted by: Kreplach at November 19, 2013 02:22 PM (hmUex)

238 My daughter's Algebra II math teacher tried to explain how it's *good* for the kids to be confused and not understand the problems.
--

It's good if people are confused and uncertain if you plan to manipulate them.

Posted by: WalrusRex at November 19, 2013 02:22 PM (XUKZU)

239 I've heard the speech was widely panned by those in attendance. What I've read over the years is just that the main speaker was more well-received.

Posted by: AmishDude at November 19, 2013 02:22 PM (T0NGe)

240 This POS thinks the defining moment for African Americans (and human history as a whole) was his election.  Lincoln's speech was sooooo whatever to this choad.

Posted by: meh at November 19, 2013 02:23 PM (W2qJe)

241 My daughter's Algebra II math teacher tried to explain how it's *good* for the kids to be confused and not understand the problems. Great. That's what they send me when I try to teach Calculus.

Posted by: AmishDude at November 19, 2013 02:23 PM (T0NGe)

242 Had Barry also been given the opportunity, he would have totes kicked Lincoln's ass in hand-to-hand combat, proving once and for all who was the roughest, toughest, fightinest POTUS ever. I know you're joking, but Lincoln was famous for his physical strength. He even waded into the crowd at one of his speeches and gave a bully what bullies deserve.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b] at November 19, 2013 02:23 PM (sByIH)

243 It's the passive aggressiveness of the bitchery that annoys me.   I mean, what, he thought no one would notice?  Of course not.  He just wanted to rub it in the wingnuts' faces.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD, you taunty bitch. at November 19, 2013 02:23 PM (Gk3SS)

244 238 Obama is an asshole. He always was an asshole. He always will be an asshole. Fuck him, fuck his wife, fuck his inner circle and fuck all the motherfuckers who voted for this miserable bastard. And fuck his post Presidency! You thought Jimmy was bad? This fuck is going to be an insufferable prick- FOR DECADES!!! Posted by: Kreplach at November 19, 2013 06:22 PM (hmUex) Just let it out buddy, tell me how you really feel.

Posted by: Ma Bell at November 19, 2013 02:23 PM (RLdcX)

245 As it happens, our local university president is a Lincoln scholar. Here's the piece he wrote re the Gettysburg address: Gettysburg and the 'new proposition' of American politics http://desne.ws/UkVUdaR Apparently the POTUS isn't much of a scholar. Shocking, I know!

Posted by: Y-not at November 19, 2013 02:24 PM (zDsvJ)

246 There was a small child that had hidden himself under the wooden stage that had been constructed for the day and the ceremony dedicating the cemetary at the battlefield in Gettysburg. The child lived to be quite an old man, and was the last living witness to the speech by Lincoln. He remembered it quite clearly, and had historically recalled it. His remembrance was that the speech was quite well received, as it was short and of the type of a Greek funeral oration, a style which was recognized. People did not have "TV" but literacy was high and they were not bumpkins. Yes, Lincoln had a bit of an odd speech and tone, but as was recalled on many occasions, when the passion of the moment rose in him, he was quite a powerful orator. The ending phrase was recalled as (with emphasis) ."..of the PEOPLE, by the PEOPLE, and for the PEOPLE, shall not perish from the Earth."

Posted by: Severe Conservative riding Orca at November 19, 2013 02:24 PM (RFeQD)

247

It's good if people are confused and uncertain if you plan to manipulate them.

 

Hmm, one wonders what the role of the teacher is anymore.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at November 19, 2013 02:24 PM (0HooB)

248 Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD, you taunty bitch. at November 19, 2013 06:23 PM (Gk3SS) Yep.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 19, 2013 02:24 PM (23Kgq)

249 Did that ole Abraham give this country healthcare for all?  I think not.  Did I?  Well....er....uh....kind of.

Posted by: Baraka O'Preezy at November 19, 2013 02:24 PM (66ULQ)

250
You thought Jimmy was bad?


Posted by: Kreplach at November 19, 2013 06:22 PM (hmUex)


Your right, Cartah was an ass, and you can bet I won't be building any houses after my term, or for that, socializing with any of the other presidents.  They're all assholes, including Clinton.

Posted by: Barack H. Obama at November 19, 2013 02:24 PM (pJF+c)

251 ...chiseling my image onto Mr. Rushmore to remind the public of my devotion to duty and outstanding accomplishments.
Posted by: Barack H. O'Buzzkill at November 19, 2013 06:20 PM

No, don't share it...  have it chiseled into Mt Denali so Sarah Palin can see it out her back window.

Posted by: Toure at November 19, 2013 02:24 PM (KQp38)

252 "speaking of wedge issues, if you follow the SNL speaking for blacks thing, they had that recent sketch where the lefty blacks basically held their nose at the idea of an atheist prezzidizzle. If only there was a wedge issue like Obama's hostility towards the church and obvious atheism."

Wedge issue? That would wedge black churchgoers out of voting for Obama?

Pull the other one.

Obama has played those people the way that Yo-Yo Ma plays a cello.

Anyone else here remember the South Carolina primaries in 2008?

Hillary was still in contention for the nomination. She was doing well in the polls. And her husband, who is after all a bona fide native Southerner, was stumping up and down the Palmetto State turning on his well practiced cornpone aw-shucks act on her behalf, quietly suggesting that the guy from Chicago was an alien cultural outsider who they should regard with suspicion.

Obama had to put Hillary away decisively in SC. And absolutely key to that was turning out the black church in numbers. And if you want to galvanize the black church, there are certain cards to play. Key among them the homophobia card.

So Obama put on stage at one of his SC rallies, for the edification of a bunch of black churchgoers, a black church figure who is part of the "ex-gay" movement. Someone who thinks that homosexuality is a "disease" that can be "cured", using those specific and direct words, by "reparative therapy".

The local LGBTQ-WTFever crowd were absolutely incensed by this, but Obama stuck to his guns and the "ex-gay" nutball went out and lit up the black church crowd, who all then went and fervently voted for Obama because he had proved he was a staunch foe of godless faggotry.

If the left actually believed any of what they lecture the rest of us about (cue Fen's Law), Obama would then have come under heavy and damaging fire from the national LGBTQ-WTFever lobby.

But, the professional-gay bloc were then given quiet back-room assurances from Team Obama that it had just been Barry playing to the rubes for the greater good, and that he hadn't really meant any of it, so the impending denunciations were quietly muted.

Posted by: torquewrench at November 19, 2013 02:25 PM (gqT4g)

253 Those who heard the Address on the radio loved it.

Posted by: Smokin' Joe Biden at November 19, 2013 02:25 PM (xlX1p)

254 From that article I just linked: So, why not just open with, “In 1776”? Well, as with much of the address, Lincoln layers his start with multiple meaning. “Four score and seven years ago” is a patently biblical system of counting. Thus, these six simple words simultaneously direct his audience to the Declaration — and to God — signaling that America is, at once, grounded in a revolutionary truth about inherent human freedom and a sense of divine superintendence. This implicit signal becomes explicit in the memorable last line when he concludes that the country operates of, by, and for the people, even as it stands as a “nation, under God.” For Lincoln, the notion that “there is a God governing the world” did not translate into a sweeping set of easily identifiable and zealously enforced public policies. But, as he suggested in some private correspondence explaining his Second Inaugural — the great companion piece to the Gettysburg address — it did set out some essential, if very broad, non-sectarian contours of justice, humility, and charity, and thus was a “truth (he) thought needed to be told.”

Posted by: Y-not at November 19, 2013 02:25 PM (zDsvJ)

255 "

That's a senior Obama adviser tossing out that snarky reply to a legitimate question from a reporter.

They really just don't think the Peons should question their wisdom."

There's a point at which even the common man sees implied/assumed arrogance and arrives at the instant conclusion that it's complete stupidity.

This is that.

Posted by: tangonine at November 19, 2013 02:26 PM (x3YFz)

256

Barky is a master of the unspoken-but-implied "Fuck You".

 

He never passes up an opportunity to deploy it.

Posted by: wheatie at November 19, 2013 02:28 PM (c87DZ)

257 I know you're joking, but Lincoln was famous for his physical strength. He even waded into the crowd at one of his speeches and gave a bully what bullies deserve.
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Yes, Lincoln was known for wrestling before he was known for speaking.

Posted by: WalrusRex at November 19, 2013 02:28 PM (XUKZU)

258

I know you're joking, but Lincoln was famous for his physical strength. He even waded into the crowd at one of his speeches and gave a bully what bullies deserve.

 

That's a    heritage idea  that could be revived...

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at November 19, 2013 02:28 PM (0HooB)

259
I'm unsure whether Lincoln Logs were created to honor Abraham, or maybe it was a drunk engineering fraternity prank?

Posted by: Doctor Fish at November 19, 2013 02:28 PM (pJF+c)

260 I'm hoping that since he is such a lazy asshole, he'll disappear when he leaves office.

Posted by: Comrade Jesse, not welcoming our socialist overlords at November 19, 2013 02:28 PM (kkbgQ)

261 That guy is a master of editing, look what he has done to the US Constitution.

Posted by: 7 Days in May at November 19, 2013 02:28 PM (j6DTo)

262 There is no god, only Zuul

Posted by: Zuul at November 19, 2013 02:28 PM (Pr6hk)

263 If you look at what we have spent on education from 1970 to today you will see massive growth in the amount of dollars spent while test results have remained absolutely flat.

We are not getting our monies worth at all.

Posted by: Kreplach at November 19, 2013 02:28 PM (hmUex)

264 I've heard the speech was widely panned by those in attendance. It didn't become very popular until people got the speech in written form. I've heard this is because of Lincoln's bumpkin nasal accent. Also, it was incredibly short in an era where two hour speeches was the norm. Most people were probably still getting their pig's knuckles and pickles when he finished. They were like all Wuh? Is that it?

Posted by: toby928© insists on talking about robots at November 19, 2013 02:29 PM (QupBk)

265 I needed something to sign our names under ( OIC and SEL) and that is also an un-Official Motto of the US Navy

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 19, 2013 06:15 PM (t3UFN)

Reading "Of Arms and Men" by Robert O'Connell.  Great book with a seagoing bent to it.  You'd like it.

Posted by: tangonine at November 19, 2013 02:29 PM (x3YFz)

266 >>>I'm hoping that since he is such a lazy asshole, he'll disappear when he leaves office.

He's also in love with himself and the image of himself as being important so don't get too hopeful.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Laughing Maniacally While Throwing Matches. at November 19, 2013 02:29 PM (0q2P7)

267 Thanks for the link, Y-not. Very nice essay.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 19, 2013 02:30 PM (23Kgq)

268 That's a heritage idea that could be revived... Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at November 19, 2013 06:28 PM (0HooB) Heritage idea??? If the Kelts had a bad year? They would sacrifice their King....

Posted by: Romeo13, painting his face blue at November 19, 2013 02:30 PM (lZBBB)

269 Barky is a master of the unspoken-but-implied "Fuck You".

He never passes up an opportunity to deploy it.

Posted by: wheatie at November 19, 2013 06:28 PM (c87DZ)

 

 

-------------------------------------------

 

 

Don't forget the middle finger to the eye trick. 

Posted by: Baraka O'Preezy at November 19, 2013 02:30 PM (66ULQ)

270 254 Those who heard the Address on the radio loved it. Posted by: Smokin' Joe Biden at November 19, 2013 06:25 PM (xlX1p) ___________ FDR saw it on Netflix and it inspired his speeches.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 19, 2013 02:31 PM (QI9SE)

271
Lincoln was a very poor speaker, and I hold the world record for 10-hour speeches with no pauses or turd breaks. 

Posted by: Fidel Castro, Dictator for Life at November 19, 2013 02:31 PM (pJF+c)

272 261 I'm hoping that since he is such a lazy asshole, he'll disappear when he leaves office.

Posted by: Comrade Jesse, not welcoming our socialist overlords at November 19, 2013 06:28 PM (kkbgQ)

This narcissistic dick?  No way.


Posted by: tangonine at November 19, 2013 02:31 PM (x3YFz)

273 In case that "alternate versions" spin takes hold, draw the spinner's attention to this version:



Posted by: letitbeme at November 19, 2013 02:31 PM (4uDUj)

274 Great. That's what they send me when I try to teach Calculus. I think there's something even worse that you've had to deal with for a long time. The mindset that there are only certain minds that "get" math. Everyone else "doesn't do math". Any normal person can "get" math to a certain level with hard work. Obviously once it goes into multivariable Calculus and other oddities there is a certain mind that is required, but people sell themselves short. They short-circuit their efforts by telling themselves that it just comes easily to some people. I used to see this mindset more with computers than now. Some people used to just turn off their brain when it came to a computer. You could show them how to double-click something with a mouse a dozen times, then see their eyes go blank when you asked them to do it the next time. Now that it's not acceptable for most people to say "I don't do computers" any Tom, Dick and Amit can do it.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b] at November 19, 2013 02:32 PM (sByIH)

275 Posted by: Comrade Jesse, not welcoming our socialist overlords at November 19, 2013 06:28 PM (kkbgQ) Nope; He'll get on the highly lucrative speaking circuit and lambast America at every opportunity. He'll also dispense with any sort of claim to be a Christian.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 19, 2013 02:32 PM (23Kgq)

276 >>268 Thanks for the link, Y-not. Very nice essay. He gives really great lectures on Lincoln. One that he does from time to time is given while a faculty member, who happens to be a very accomplished sculptor, sculpts a clay bust of Lincoln, aging him as Dr Holland talks about Lincoln's life. It's really something.

Posted by: Y-not at November 19, 2013 02:32 PM (zDsvJ)

277 And the only shit I fix on Sundays is my golf card.

Posted by: president o'bumbles at November 19, 2013 02:32 PM (fIgFc)

278 I don't understand why Lincoln is revered. He basically carried out a genocide because a few states wanted to peacefully go their own way. Around 25,000 Americans died to be free of the British Crown in the Revolutionary War. But around 625,000 died in the Civil War because Lincoln decided he didn't want the states to leave. But he signed the Emanciation Proclamation, so we all have to bow our head to him, otherwise we're racists who yearn for the days of slavery.

Posted by: Caillu at November 19, 2013 02:32 PM (Wqd8O)

279 270 Barky is a master of the unspoken-but-implied "Fuck You". He never passes up an opportunity to deploy it.
Posted by: wheatie at November 19, 2013 06:28 PM (c87DZ)

and would never have the balls to say it.

Posted by: tangonine at November 19, 2013 02:32 PM (x3YFz)

280
I'm not going because senators from Illinois are flusterclucks.

Posted by: B. Insane Obama at November 19, 2013 02:33 PM (iGPSR)

281 dammit.

http://tinyurl.com/n6rt3zq

Posted by: letitbeme at November 19, 2013 02:33 PM (4uDUj)

282 He gives really great lectures on Lincoln. One that he does from time to time is given while a faculty member, who happens to be a very accomplished sculptor, sculpts a clay bust of Lincoln, aging him as Dr Holland talks about Lincoln's life. It's really something.

Posted by: Y-not at November 19, 2013 06:32 PM (zDsvJ)


--------------------



I would love to see that. 

Posted by: mama wingr at November 19, 2013 02:33 PM (P6QsQ)

283 I see many of our fallen heroes standing here today.

Posted by: Barry at Gettysburg at November 19, 2013 02:33 PM (QupBk)

284 264 If you look at what we have spent on education from 1970 to today you will see massive growth in the amount of dollars spent while test results have remained absolutely flat. We are not getting our monies worth at all. Posted by: Kreplach at November 19, 2013 06:28 PM (hmUex) ____________ National test scores don't mean shit. You'll never hear this in the MSM of course, but if you exclude the inner cities, test scores are pretty good. But scores are so awful in the cities they drag the entire country down to "SHIT" level. Compare Utah test scores with DC test scores to see how much of a chasm there is.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 19, 2013 02:33 PM (QI9SE)

285 This narcissistic dick? No way.

Posted by: tangonine at November 19, 2013 06:31 PM (x3YFz)

My money is on Secretary-General of the UN.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 19, 2013 02:34 PM (oJ5Fd)

286

270...Don't forget the middle finger to the eye trick.

 

Yep. ...Or using his middle finger to 'scratch his cheek'.

 

If you think about it...his saying that he wants to "fundamentally change" this country, is a big "fuck you" too.

Posted by: wheatie at November 19, 2013 02:35 PM (c87DZ)

287

286This narcissistic dick? No way.

Posted by: tangonine at November 19, 2013 06:31 PM (x3YFz)

My money is on Secretary-General of the UN.

--------------

 

Or Assface will have his own show on Al-Jazeera.

Posted by: meh at November 19, 2013 02:36 PM (W2qJe)

288 Posted by: Caillu at November 19, 2013 06:32 PM (Wqd8O)

New nic?

Didn't like "pepper," or "bing?"

Try "asshole." That seems to fit.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 19, 2013 02:36 PM (oJ5Fd)

289 279 I don't understand why Lincoln is revered. He basically carried out a genocide because a few states wanted to peacefully go their own way.

Around 25,000 Americans died to be free of the British Crown in the Revolutionary War. But around 625,000 died in the Civil War because Lincoln decided he didn't want the states to leave.

But he signed the Emanciation Proclamation, so we all have to bow our head to him, otherwise we're racists who yearn for the days of slavery.

Posted by: Caillu at November 19, 2013 06:32 PM (Wqd8O)

I'll withhold judgement on your comment and direct you to about 100 books on the Civil War.

Civil Wars aren't pretty, and I'm a southerner.  I'd fly the stars and bars with pride and it's not about race, it's about freedom.  Read first; get into the heads of the men who led, fought and died.

Just some advice.  Ignore at your discretion.

Posted by: tangonine at November 19, 2013 02:36 PM (x3YFz)

290 I would love to see that. Posted by: mama wingr at November 19, 2013 06:33 PM --- Your wish is my command. It's on YouTube. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=feKGljsklmc Sorry I can't link to YouTube in the nick - it's blocked by Pixy. (I've seen the lecture, but I haven't watched this YouTube version. Hope it lives up to my description!)

Posted by: Y-not at November 19, 2013 02:36 PM (zDsvJ)

291 272 Lincoln was a very poor speaker, and I hold the world record for 10-hour speeches with no pauses or turd breaks. Posted by: Fidel Castro, Dictator for Life at November 19, 2013 06:31 PM (pJF+c) ---------------------------- BFD. I can talk AND sing. I talk one hour, I sing the folk song one hour, then talk, then sing, then talk, then sing. They listen to me. You? They fall asleep.

Posted by: Zombie Hugo Chavez at November 19, 2013 02:36 PM (dfYL9)

292 Well, does anyone really think his participation in church all those years had anything to do with God? If it did, he wouldn't have sat still for the hatred spewed by his pastor.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 19, 2013 02:36 PM (DmNpO)

293 Could we please just not have the whole Civil War/War Between the States/The War of Northern Aggression argument AGAIN?! This is about The Gettysburg address (which was a fine speech) and about the man we have as President NOW who couldn't even mention the name of God.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 19, 2013 02:37 PM (23Kgq)

294 He's also in love with himself and the image of himself as being important so don't get too hopeful.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Laughing Maniacally While Throwing Matches. at November 19, 2013 06:29 PM (0q2P7)

 

 

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I think he'll be a pain in the ass for a long time.  He's an agitator.  If you think race relations are going to improve once he leaves office, think again.   His life's purpose is to  divide and destroy.

 

I wouldn't put it past him to run for  president/dictator/premier  in another country.  South America is ripe for someone like him.

Posted by: Soona at November 19, 2013 02:37 PM (66ULQ)

295 Professor Robert George has a great article over at First Things on the Gettysburg Address and the various iterations of it, as well as the attempt by secular atheists at some dumb Commie society to scrub the reference to God out of our founding documents. This was not unintentional.

Posted by: Ohiogal at November 19, 2013 02:37 PM (kLgFt)

296 Your wish is my command. It's on YouTube.

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Thanks for the link Y-not!  I appreciate it.

Posted by: mama wingr at November 19, 2013 02:37 PM (P6QsQ)

297 Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 19, 2013 06:36 PM (DmNpO) PPP-Pure political posturing.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 19, 2013 02:38 PM (23Kgq)

298 The link to the article is in my name. Cool- I figured it out!

Posted by: Ohiogal at November 19, 2013 02:38 PM (kLgFt)

299 286 This narcissistic dick? No way. Posted by: tangonine at November 19, 2013 06:31 PM (x3YFz) My money is on Secretary-General of the UN. Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 19, 2013 06:34 PM (oJ5Fd) Well, then the next conservative President should stop payment to the UN and kick them out of the US. Who would pay for the Imbecile and his extravagant wife's upkeep? The 3rd world shitholes?

Posted by: Ma Bell at November 19, 2013 02:38 PM (RLdcX)

300 Mark Levin has been talking about the battle and is now talking about the speech.

Posted by: rickl at November 19, 2013 02:39 PM (sdi6R)

301 ***looks around*** yep, RACISM

Posted by: navycopjoe at November 19, 2013 02:39 PM (EazDf)

302 PPP-Pure political posturing. *** Plain and simple.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 19, 2013 02:40 PM (DmNpO)

303 293 Well, does anyone really think his participation in church all those years had anything to do with God? If it did, he wouldn't have sat still for the hatred spewed by his pastor. Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 19, 2013 06:36 PM (DmNpO) --------------------------------------- Jeremiah Wright himself has said that Barky and Michelle weren't the "church-going" type and only belonged to Trinity for political reasons. I see no reason not to believe him.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at November 19, 2013 02:41 PM (dfYL9)

304 He's just a dick, ya know Everywhere he goes People know the part He's playing Paid for every vote Selling each false note Ooh what they saying But here will come a day Power will pass away Then what will they say About him When the end comes we know We'll say just a dick (ya know) As life goes on Without him 'Cause he ain't got nobody Nobody nobody cares for him He's so sad and lonely Sad and lonely sad and lonely Won't some sweet suckers Come and take a chance with him Cause he ain't so bad

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars [/i] [/b] [/s] at November 19, 2013 02:41 PM (97jsO)

305 Well, then the next conservative President should stop payment to the UN and kick them out of the US. Who would pay for the Imbecile and his extravagant wife's upkeep? The 3rd world shitholes? He'll get 85K / speech and sit on the boards of multiple leftist orgs like Google. They'll pay for the "prestige" and the gov't contacts.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b] at November 19, 2013 02:41 PM (sByIH)

306 If Obama actually does leave after in 2016 I think he'd like to be Sect General of the United Nations. too. From Dag Hammaskjold to Barack Obama. Uggggh.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 19, 2013 02:42 PM (23Kgq)

307 294 Civil War/War Between the States/The War of Northern Aggression you mean the War of Southern Comeuppance?

Posted by: navycopjoe at November 19, 2013 02:42 PM (EazDf)

308 I wouldn't put it past him to run forpresident/dictator/premier in another country. South America is ripe for someone like him. Posted by: Soona at November 19, 2013 06:37 PM (66ULQ) I'm betting on: A) UN Secretary General, or B) Supreme Court Justice

Posted by: Damiano the Economic Traitor at November 19, 2013 02:42 PM (j0wOO)

309 No one from the 5 permanent Security Council countries (US, Russia, UK, France, China) can be Sec Gen of the UN.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at November 19, 2013 02:42 PM (dfYL9)

310 I can't wait to see the YouTube videos of Obama bombed out of his mind on cocaine giving some speech to a bunch of corporate executives.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b] at November 19, 2013 02:43 PM (sByIH)

311 O-Code - 10 PRINT "Hello, me!" 20 GOTO 10

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars [/i] [/b] [/s] at November 19, 2013 02:43 PM (97jsO)

312 This fuck is going to be an insufferable prick- FOR DECADES!!!

Posted by: Kreplach at November 19, 2013 06:22 PM (hmUex)

 

Can't wait to see his Presidential Library, with all the sealed boxes, blacked out windows, and pictures of Beyonce and Stalin on the walls.

Posted by: wth at November 19, 2013 02:43 PM (wAQA5)

313 Fuck 'yall. And kiss my narrow black and white ass. American voted me in, wit bitches almost 3to 1. I'll do whatever the fuck I want. Standwatimsayin.

Posted by: barak obama at November 19, 2013 02:44 PM (bMeMt)

314 whether or not he omitted "God" or not.....God was there....God is always there

Posted by: phoenixgirl @phxazgrl at November 19, 2013 02:44 PM (8JJ6O)

315 No one from the 5 permanent Security Council countries (US, Russia, UK, France, China) can be Sec Gen of the UN. Wouldn't it be a hoot if he pulled out some papers that said he wasn't born here? I think he'd do it just for the chaos alone.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b] at November 19, 2013 02:44 PM (sByIH)

316 Can't wait to see his Presidential Library, with all the sealed boxes, blacked out windows, and pictures of Beyonce and Stalin on the walls. Posted by: wth at November 19, 2013 06:43 PM (wAQA5) At Christmas, they can break out the Mao ornaments. http://tinyurl.com/y8uybbc

Posted by: Damiano the Economic Traitor at November 19, 2013 02:45 PM (j0wOO)

317 313 if he comes back to Hawaii they'll forget about him in 6 months top

Posted by: navycopjoe at November 19, 2013 02:45 PM (EazDf)

318 Can't wait to see his Presidential Library, with all the sealed boxes, blacked out windows, and pictures of Beyonce and Stalin on the walls. Has Clinton's library released anything especially interesting? I'm not saying you're wrong, just wondering if any of the really good stuff makes it into the sunlight.

Posted by: bonhomme[/i][/b][/i][/b] at November 19, 2013 02:46 PM (sByIH)

319 Posted by: Soona at November 19, 2013 06:37 PM

Nah.  He's gonna work for Tony Robbins.  Ten percent commission and free waffles.

Posted by: LC LaWedgie at November 19, 2013 02:46 PM (KQp38)

320 If Obama actually does leave after in 2016 I think he'd like to be Sect General of the United Nations. too. From Dag Hammaskjold to Barack Obama. Uggggh.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 19, 2013 06:42 PM (23Kgq)

 

 

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If that happens, I believe that would be a good time  for the US to pull all funds out of the UN.   Let Baraka rule from  a  rickety  wooden  theater  stage in a hot Kenyan army post.

Posted by: Soona at November 19, 2013 02:46 PM (66ULQ)

321 Posted by: Margarita DeVille at November 19, 2013 06:42 PM (dfYL9) I had forgotten that, Thanks, but laws or rules haven't stopped him before. If he does enough damage to the US they may welcome him with open arms.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 19, 2013 02:47 PM (23Kgq)

322 310 No one from the 5 permanent Security Council countries (US, Russia, UK, France, China) can be Sec Gen of the UN. Posted by: Margarita DeVille at November 19, 2013 06:42 PM (dfYL9) _________ What about Kenya or Indonesia? I'm only 1/2 joking. I could see him pulling the old "hey you know, I actually was born in Kenya", so I can be the head UN dude after all.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 19, 2013 02:47 PM (QI9SE)

323

Kathy comes out and admits what we've all known - Healthcare.gov ain't gonna be ready by the end of November:

 

http://is.gd/WIC9Xo

 

(Actually, she uses the words "Work in Progress", but we all know what that means....)

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX (@Teresa_Koch) at November 19, 2013 02:47 PM (PZ6/M)

324

 I wouldn't put it past him to run forpresident/dictator/premier in another country. South America is ripe for someone like him.
Posted by: Soona at November 19, 2013 06:37 PM (66ULQ)

 

Too dangerous, he's a pussy.

Posted by: wth at November 19, 2013 02:47 PM (wAQA5)

325 I can't wait to see the YouTube videos of Obama bombed out of his mind on cocaine giving some speech to a bunch of corporate executives. Posted by: bonhomme at November 19, 2013 06:43 PM (sByIH) So... pretty much the same as all his other public appearances. I'm thinking that at the first debate with Romney, someone forgot his stash.

Posted by: Damiano the Economic Traitor at November 19, 2013 02:47 PM (j0wOO)

326 LOL Good News, Colorado Man Can’t Get Obamacare But His Dog Can! Shane Smith, of Fort Collins, says his dog Baxter received a letter informing him that a health insurance account had been opened in his name through Connect for Health Colorado. “I thought, ‘Wow, this is so awesome,’” Smith said with a laugh. “They have gone out of their way to insure my 14-year-old Yorkie.” Smith had called Connect for Health Colorado to sign himself up for insurance because his old plan was cancelled due to Obamacare. He’s not sure exactly how the confirmation letter went to his dog, but he says he thinks it’s because of a series of security questions a representative asked him over the phone. “There was some kind of code or something, so I gave them my dog’s name,” Smith said. “They must have just put it in the wrong slot or something.” dumbasses working for dumbasses weaselzippers

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 19, 2013 02:47 PM (IXrOn)

327 Posted by: Damiano the Economic Traitor at November 19, 2013 06:45 PM (j0wOO) Yep; I remember that. Have a very Maoy Christmas.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 19, 2013 02:48 PM (23Kgq)

328
The civil war will never be over for the dems.  Ever.

see bashir, martin

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 19, 2013 02:48 PM (iGPSR)

329 Is that you, Moby? Love the songs, man.

Posted by: president o'bumbles at November 19, 2013 02:48 PM (fIgFc)

330 This fuck is going to be an insufferable prick- FOR DECADES!!! Meh. Both his mother and father died youngish, and he looks pretty shitty already healthwise, if you ask me.

Posted by: toby928© at November 19, 2013 02:48 PM (QupBk)

331 Why shouldn't I alter a historical document? That's what Imperial Presidents do...

Posted by: Barky at November 19, 2013 02:49 PM (aDwsi)

332 313 This fuck is going to be an insufferable prick- FOR DECADES!!!
Posted by: Kreplach at November 19, 2013 06:22 PM (hmUex)

Yup.  I've had some practice in being a total fucking asshole.  Difference between me and him is about $10B and 30 million idiots.

I'm stuck with $14.72 and one redneck cousin.

FML

Posted by: tangonine at November 19, 2013 02:49 PM (x3YFz)

333 I wouldn't put it past him to run forpresident/dictator/premier in another country. South America is ripe for someone like him. Posted by: Soona at November 19, 2013 06:37 PM (66ULQ) _________________________ Hey, Barry grew up dreaming of becoming Prime Minister of Indonesia (don't all American kids do that?), so it could happen.

Posted by: Trivial Pursuer at November 19, 2013 02:50 PM (/sohm)

334 331 He's cadaverous.

Posted by: steevy at November 19, 2013 02:50 PM (zqvg6)

335 he left it out because maybe he believes in Allah? he didn't show up because his bloodline is not african american but really white slaveowner?

Posted by: Avi at November 19, 2013 02:50 PM (l0mG4)

336 "I don't understand why Lincoln is revered"

I share that bafflement and I am also baffled by how the Gettysburg Address is considered great oratory. It's not.

The audience heard the short speech most likely because (a) they were none too pleased with the Pyrrhic victory in question, standing as they were in a still stinking slaughterhouse of a battlefield, and (b) Lincoln figured he needed to move on sprighly from (a) lest tempers come up.

Mencken summed up the Address pretty well.

"Abandoning the simple and crystal-clear English of his considered utterance, he stood a sentence on its head, and made a pretty parlor ornament of it. Proceeding, he described the causes and nature of war in terms of the current army press bureau. Finally, he launched a sonorous, meaningless epigram, and sat down."

Gettysburg needs to be remembered. But not romanticized. Likewise Old Abe.

Posted by: torquewrench at November 19, 2013 02:51 PM (gqT4g)

337 Both his mother and father died youngish, and he looks pretty shitty already healthwise, if you ask me. Posted by: toby928© at November 19, 2013 06:48 PM (QupBk) ______________________ Yes, but his father was a chronic alcoholic (and chronic drunk driver) who died in a car crash, and his mother died of ovarian cancer. Neither of those things is likely to happen to Barry.

Posted by: Trivial Pursuer at November 19, 2013 02:52 PM (/sohm)

338 From Drudge-linked article, quoting The Moocher: “But we also understand one simple principle — that there but for the grace of God go I; that in the blink of an eye, any of us — any of us — could be faced with a terrible diagnosis an unwanted pregnancy.

Posted by: Barky at November 19, 2013 02:52 PM (aDwsi)

339 It'll be some kind of new UN deal for the SCOAMTT's next venture enterprise.

Posted by: Justamom at November 19, 2013 02:52 PM (Sptt8)

340 Mencken wasn't exactly spot on all the time.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 19, 2013 02:53 PM (23Kgq)

341 310 Margarita DeVille at November 19, 2013 06:42 PM (dfYL9)

but "historic first!"

He'll proudly out himself as Kenyan

Posted by: sven10077 at November 19, 2013 02:53 PM (9jfyN)

342 338 Trivial Pursuer at November 19, 2013 06:52 PM (/sohm)

I'd say both....

Posted by: sven10077 at November 19, 2013 02:54 PM (9jfyN)

343 I think he is using drugs.Notice how he looks during certain speeches or appearances?

Posted by: steevy at November 19, 2013 02:54 PM (zqvg6)

344 I guess (like the Obamacare mess) Obama's decision not to visit Gettysburg is a combination of laziness and incompetence. I don't know who is advising Obama, but this would have been a nice nonpartisan occasion for him to speak at (both to honor the war dead and to honor Lincoln).

Posted by: mild cigar at November 19, 2013 02:54 PM (EGU2p)

345 341 Mencken wasn't exactly spot on all the time. Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 19, 2013 06:53 PM (23Kgq) He was also a professional curmudgeon and cynic.

Posted by: rickl at November 19, 2013 02:54 PM (sdi6R)

346 new one

Posted by: mama wingr at November 19, 2013 02:54 PM (P6QsQ)

347 People like Carter, the Kennedys, the Clintons, and the Obamas, never just go away.

Posted by: Barky at November 19, 2013 02:55 PM (aDwsi)

348 Frankly, I don't mind that Obama didn't go to Gettysburg. His presence would have profaned that place.

Posted by: rickl at November 19, 2013 02:55 PM (sdi6R)

349 laziness and incompetence, disinterest and sticking it in the eyes of folks. He has no interest in being bipartisan.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 19, 2013 02:56 PM (23Kgq)

350 The Civil War was not about slavery, only about 1% of Southerners owned slaves. They wanted to go their own way. Lincoln made it about slavery so European countries would not get involved. Lincoln decided it was better to engage in one of the nastiest wars the world had ever seen all because a few states wanted to start their own nation, just as the original colonies had done previously. The South never wanted to rule the North. The North most certainly wanted to rule the South. Sound familiar with the Red State/Blue State dynamic?

Posted by: Caillu at November 19, 2013 02:56 PM (Wqd8O)

351 Is he still dying his hair?

Posted by: Comrade Jesse, not welcoming our socialist overlords at November 19, 2013 02:57 PM (kkbgQ)

352 This fuck is going to be an insufferable prick- FOR DECADES!!! Meh. Both his mother and father died youngish, and he looks pretty shitty already healthwise, if you ask me. Posted by: toby928© at November 19, 2013 06:48 PM (QupBk) He's full of parasites. Charles Ogletree (whoever the hell that is ~ Harvard fool) says JEF will "do a great job as ambassador of the world!" good God http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/oreilly/index.html

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 19, 2013 02:57 PM (IXrOn)

353 Has anyone read Lowry's book "Lincoln Defended"? It looks interesting to me. http://www.nationalreview.com/article/350144/lincoln-defended-rich-lowry I've never been a big history buff/reader, but there are several books about Lincoln that tempt me.

Posted by: Y-not at November 19, 2013 02:57 PM (zDsvJ)

354 If Lincoln were alive today, would he be: A) Advising the President B) Running for President or C) Scratching frantically at the lid of his coffin

Posted by: toby928© at November 19, 2013 02:57 PM (QupBk)

355 Yes, but his father was a chronic alcoholic (and chronic drunk driver) who died in a car crash, and his mother died of ovarian cancer. Neither of those things is likely to happen to Barry. Posted by: Trivial Pursuer at November 19, 2013 06:52 PM (/sohm) Thanks to Obamacare, can get free PAP smears! No ovarian cancer for me!

Posted by: Barack Obama, Chairman of GM and Inventor of the Volt at November 19, 2013 02:58 PM (j0wOO)

356 I'm out. All of you and re-do the Civil War because it's always so delightful when conservatives who are united in their dislike for Obama and his policies get all personal about the North and the South and bludgeon each other for post after post. I don't get too mouthy here-but SCREW that.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 19, 2013 02:59 PM (23Kgq)

357 The true Gettysburg Address is 22 Acacia Ave.

Posted by: Up The Irons at November 19, 2013 03:02 PM (KLy64)

358

Colonel Green:  Now do Lincoln.

Kahliss Obama: Help me, Spock.  Help me.

Posted by: Obama Role in Star Trek TOS at November 19, 2013 03:04 PM (w41GQ)

359 So I'm from one of those old families who can go to the war memorials, and there find members of the family who wore blue, and also find ones who wore gray. And in fact had brothers and cousins busily shooting at one another at places like Gettysburg.

I have to say in all bluntness that I'd _like_ to imagine one or the other side of my family having fought for "freedom", but really, no. Not as I understand and champion the concept of freedom.

On the one hand I had family members fighting in defense of a government which had as a precept that human beings could be owned and treated like domestic cattle.

And on the other hand I had family members fighting in defense of a government which considered itself within its rights to casually shitcan minor niceties like _habeas corpus_ whenever it felt like it. A government which didn't see anything wrong with taking people who had the temerity to question its policies, and confiscating their property, ruining their businesses, and tossing them in the jug for "sedition" without so much as a warrant being issued.

Hard to see anyone coming out of that mess with clean hands.

As I said, events like Gettysburg should and must be memorialized. But let's not draw a gauzy romantic veil over the realities of one of history's stupidest wars.

Posted by: torquewrench at November 19, 2013 03:11 PM (gqT4g)

360

A reason JEF didn't show up just occurred to me.  I'm betting he didn't want to give a speech there that could be unfavorably compared to Lincoln's.  Not that people would do that, Lincoln's is widely recognized as one of the greatest in US history, but I'm thinking that's how the thin-skinned narcissist rolls.

Oddly enough after I said this to my wife Greta said something similar about 2 minutes later. 

Posted by: The Farmer at November 19, 2013 03:15 PM (eBupg)

361 Heard a professor on NPR on the way home gushing about the free-the-slaves majesty of the Address. Guess he missed all that stuff about keeping the Noble Experiment intact.

Posted by: Caliban at November 19, 2013 03:22 PM (2ArJQ)

362

re:247

Yes, Lincoln had a bit of an odd speech and tone, but as was recalled on many occasions, when the passion of the moment rose in him, he was quite a powerful orator.

The Hist. Soc. I work for has restored a house he stayed at in 1856 when campaigning for Fremont and the newly formed Rep. party.  Accounts of the time mention his awkward appearance was overshadowed by his impressive oratory.

Just about a month and half before appearing here Lincoln spoke at the first full IL Rep. convention as the final speaker.  They asked him to wrap things up because of his well known penchant for humorous stories w/ a point.  As it turned out he got on a roll and spoke eloquently against the expansion of slavery for 2 hours.  The speech was so enthralling reporters forgot to take notes of what was said and thus became Lincoln's famous "Lost Speech" which vaulted him to prominence in the IL Rep. party.

Posted by: The Farmer at November 19, 2013 03:24 PM (eBupg)

363 Gettysburg? Barry is too busy playing golf and getting stoned with Jay Zee.

Posted by: Peregrine Took is blaming someone else for this post at November 19, 2013 03:53 PM (42ZAm)

364 For me, the biggest thing is something I can't quantify. It's just a feeling I get. When Obama talks about Christianity, it just seems a little... off. He speaks of it like someone whose exposure to it consists of one course in college, something like "Foundations of Christian Theology" or "Christianity in the New World, 1492 to Present" or "Introduction to Christian Moral Philosophy." He knows something about the faith, but he doesn't speak of it like someone who has experienced it. You are right about him being "off". It's always "Scriptures", never "the Bible". He twisted Abel's retort, "Am I my brother's keeper?" to "I am my brother's keeper", solely to serve his collective aims. He's a dick...

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars [/i] [/b] [/s] at November 19, 2013 04:32 PM (gJeT3)

365 How dare he be sworn into office using the Lincoln Bible.

Posted by: Cate at November 19, 2013 05:01 PM (KVsDW)

366 228 Zombies of the Iron Brigade :clap I've dug Merideth and Cutler in on that hill so many times simulating that one.....lol

Posted by: akula51[/b][/i][/s] at November 19, 2013 05:17 PM (sCO74)

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