June 07, 2013

Obama Speaking Now About NSA, Verizon, Spying
— Ace

On Fox. Apparently he's already burned a strawman.

He claimed that when he was speaking a few weeks ago about striking the proper balance in the war on terror he meant this. Implication: I sorta did tell you about it, you know.

Then he proceeds to swipe at the right for being interested in this, saying that we we weren't interested in it five years ago, and that it's "mature" that we now are.

Speaking of people who once had different opinions on this but whose views have "matured"...

He meant to leave but someone asked a question and he stayed to answer it. The question was about leaks. He's now gone off on a tangent, effectively blaming Congress, saying they are "fully briefed" and "empowered" to object if there's anything objectionable.

In fact that's false. As Glenn Greenwald noted the other night, Congress may be "briefed" but they're also not permitted to reveal anything they're briefed about. He had a good word for it, which I sadly forget, striking at the idea that they are involuntarily conscripted into being false supporters in such things, as they do not, in fact, have any liberty to discuss it or object openly.

Senator Ron Wyden made this point a few weeks ago.

Posted by: Ace at 08:19 AM | Comments (334)
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1 First. Finally.

Posted by: Jack at June 07, 2013 08:19 AM (gWHwW)

2 Has anyone located John Boehner yet? BOLO issued??

Posted by: Hunker down and L.I.B. at June 07, 2013 08:19 AM (Cs2tJ)

3 Why does this man hate straw so much?

Posted by: Jollyroger at June 07, 2013 08:19 AM (t06LC)

4 Why is he orange?

Posted by: Ma Bell at June 07, 2013 08:20 AM (RLdcX)

5 This absolutely requires a drinking game.

Posted by: kreplach at June 07, 2013 08:20 AM (06lNq)

6 Man, I don't like this Bronco Bama very much at all you guys

Posted by: Yip at June 07, 2013 08:20 AM (/jHWN)

7 And blue eyeshadow?

Posted by: Ma Bell at June 07, 2013 08:20 AM (RLdcX)

8 I will make sure that all conservatives will be shot, and all their assets confiscated. And give their money to you my loyal supporters.

Posted by: Barack Obama at June 07, 2013 08:21 AM (gWHwW)

9 >>Why does this man hate straw so much? It's ok, I hate him right back. Blow me NSA.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 07, 2013 08:21 AM (g1DWB)

10 Oh, and cake,.... will there be cake later?

Posted by: Yip at June 07, 2013 08:21 AM (/jHWN)

11 Can you hear me now? Or read me?

Posted by: Marcus at June 07, 2013 08:21 AM (GGCsk)

12 And what is the latest pronouncement from Der Fuhrer?

Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at June 07, 2013 08:21 AM (bb5+k)

13 I can smell the bullshit from here.

Posted by: sans_sheriff at June 07, 2013 08:22 AM (HgwiM)

14 "Some may say we have to make a choice between personal liberty and destroying my political enemies. This is a false choice."

Posted by: Not Barack Obama at June 07, 2013 08:22 AM (T4Ab6)

15 Bush!

Posted by: RUReadingthis at June 07, 2013 08:22 AM (V92KK)

16 Let me be clear. Some say X, and others say Y. I say Z. I am outraged. But I did not have sex with your smartphone.

Much.

Posted by: Pres. TFG [/i] [/b] at June 07, 2013 08:22 AM (ujux6)

17 Hey- are teleprompters hooked up the the internet?

Here's my first question for Obama; Are you a Verizon customer? What have you been Googling lately, or should I ask the NSA?

Posted by: Marcus at June 07, 2013 08:22 AM (GGCsk)

18
>Why does this man hate straw so much?<

Hey Scarecrow, how about some fire?

Posted by: Wicked Witch at June 07, 2013 08:22 AM (Opo0Q)

19 Affirmative Action has consequences.

Posted by: garrett at June 07, 2013 08:22 AM (deh5N)

20 13 I can smell the bullshit from here. Posted by: sans_sheriff at June 07, 2013 12:22 PM (HgwiM) I am not that far from San Jose, can you imagine the stink here?

Posted by: Ma Bell at June 07, 2013 08:23 AM (RLdcX)

21 The Bushies created the program. Terrorists. Republicans. Appropriate Congressional Oversight (TM). Limited. Trust me. Is that about his speech? SCOAMF.

Posted by: MTF at June 07, 2013 08:23 AM (+GpbP)

22 What about that Blackberry Barakhenaten I carries?   Is he cool with us getting the caller logs and messages off of that?

Posted by: garrett at June 07, 2013 08:23 AM (deh5N)

23 Obama Speaking Lying Now About NSA, Verizon, Spying FIFY

Posted by: YIKES! at June 07, 2013 08:24 AM (mETGQ)

24

Mr. Obama, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

Posted by: RUReadingthis at June 07, 2013 08:24 AM (V92KK)

25 Gresham's Law of Crapola:  Pure bullshit drives out ordinary bullshit.

Posted by: Libra at June 07, 2013 08:24 AM (q5QAW)

26

"Any man who thinks he can be happy and prosperous by letting the Government take care of him; better take a closer look at the American Indian." Henry Ford 

 

Posted by: maddogg at June 07, 2013 08:24 AM (OlN4e)

27 I don't think I've heard his voice in several months.  I take extra steps to avoid hearing him speak.  All I ever see are still photos and video with the sound turned off.


It's fucking awesome.



Posted by: EC at June 07, 2013 08:24 AM (GQ8sn)

28 "Ich bin ein Berliner" I am just like you. No. Really. Stop laughing.

Posted by: Marcus at June 07, 2013 08:24 AM (GGCsk)

29 Obama voters must know how Lando Calrissian felt.

Posted by: AmishDude at June 07, 2013 08:24 AM (T0NGe)

30

I can smell the bullshit from here.
Posted by: sans_sheriff at June 07, 2013 12:22 PM (HgwiM)

 

I can't quit this guy.

Posted by: Obama's Face Fly at June 07, 2013 08:24 AM (deh5N)

31 Oh, it's all Congress's fault. Nevermind, as you were.

Posted by: yujin at June 07, 2013 08:24 AM (dwDIh)

32 All of us use Verizon. But we have nothing to worry about. John McCain says so. And Lindsey Graham.

Posted by: Congress at June 07, 2013 08:24 AM (gWHwW)

33 First get rid of the PC own goals of Islamic terror before using my dishwasher as a bug.

Posted by: Beagle at June 07, 2013 08:25 AM (sOtz/)

34

I'm in New England.   It's raining outside. 

 

And even I can smell the bullshit Obammy's   shoveling.  

 

Oh, btw, he ran out of straw to make his strawmen,   so now he's using human hair.  

 

NBC Chicago:  http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/Tips-Pouring-In-For-Human-Hair-Robbers-210283091.html

 

Prepare for that burning smell to get    even worse.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at June 07, 2013 08:25 AM (4df7R)

35  that protest an illegal war..
haha

He also speaks as if HE has nothing  to do with it.
No knowledge,.
Like the 'administration" is not him.

weird!

Posted by: willow at June 07, 2013 08:25 AM (nqBYe)

36 Serious You Guys, I know I've recommended this stock before, but I'm telling you based on listening for 2 minutes to this lying douchebag, you need to call your broker and back up the freaking truck on Strawman Industries Corp. (NYSE: TFG)! Disclaimer: jakeman is not a Registered Investment Advisor and this comment should not be construed, bent, folded or mutilated into an offer to buy or sell Strawman Industries. Past results are not an indication of future performance. jakeman has not been compensated for this message.

Posted by: jakeman at June 07, 2013 08:25 AM (96M6e)

37 I got a fund raising letter for the GOP from Juan McCain. Fuck me, they are so clueless.

Posted by: maddogg at June 07, 2013 08:26 AM (OlN4e)

38 blah switched to h2 ancient aliens is more amusing than TFG

Posted by: jimmytheclaw at June 07, 2013 08:26 AM (HOmYj)

39 Is he fucking serious? More deflection, blame shifting and promises to do better under-girded by arrogant, unfounded claims of righteous intentions and cloaked in some national security strawman?

Posted by: Marcus at June 07, 2013 08:26 AM (GGCsk)

40 If the IRS still exists in anything close to its present form a year from now, we will have lost. If one side (ours) accepts admitted and provable silencing and intimidation of our views and we accept that our attempts at political organizing will be thwarted by the Left's strong-arm tactics, then we have accepted serfdom. If this IRS "scandal" isn't the hill to die on - what is?

Posted by: fyscyl clyff at June 07, 2013 08:26 AM (Z1/Hr)

41 Barky, we are just like you....we are EVOLVING!

Posted by: cheri at June 07, 2013 08:26 AM (G+Wff)

42 I was supposed to provide deprived people an opportunity. I had no idea I'd be promoting totalitarianism. And creating a dictator.

Posted by: Affirmative Action at June 07, 2013 08:27 AM (gWHwW)

43 blah switched to h2 ancient aliens is more amusing than TFG

Posted by: jimmytheclaw at June 07, 2013 12:26 PM (HOmYj)

 

And more likely to tell you the truth.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at June 07, 2013 08:27 AM (4df7R)

44

Post 33!  Grandpa would be proud.  

Freemasons holla!

Posted by: Beagle at June 07, 2013 08:27 AM (sOtz/)

45 jakeman.
i want to steal that comment from you, but everybody i know would Know 'i didn't build that.'

Posted by: willow at June 07, 2013 08:27 AM (nqBYe)

46 29 Obama voters must know how Lando Calrissian felt.

lulz

Posted by: Hunker down and L.I.B. at June 07, 2013 08:28 AM (Cs2tJ)

47

@45

 

We'd know.

Posted by: NSA at June 07, 2013 08:28 AM (t06LC)

48 "We've established a process that the American people should feel confident with...I don't welcome leaks because there is a reason why these programs are classified."

Oooh, I know this one. They are classified to protect methodology, not abuse of said methodology.

...you voted for the people who provide oversight to these programs...so we can do whatever the hell we want. 

Posted by: no good deed at June 07, 2013 08:28 AM (mjR67)

49 Some one ask him if the NSA gave political opponents the IRS treatment

Posted by: thunderb at June 07, 2013 08:28 AM (23tJG)

50 Haha, so I just looked on Yahoo Finance, and there IS an actual security listed under the ticker TFG: Fixed Income Trust for Goldman (TFG) So there's your Goldman Sucks connection, plain as day.

Posted by: jakeman at June 07, 2013 08:28 AM (96M6e)

51 46 29 Obama voters must know how Lando Calrissian felt. lulz --- "You will wear this clown suit and ride on a unicycle. Pray I don't alter this deal any further."

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at June 07, 2013 08:28 AM (JGSJZ)

52 Bush's fault. Everybody already knew about it. Nobody objected. Fuck you, I won.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at June 07, 2013 08:29 AM (YLiz5)

53 The man takes no responsibility for anything that happens. Why doesn't he just quit? At least Biden would say he's sorry.

He's President Teflon. Everything just slides off him onto us. It's always the bogeyman.

Posted by: Marcus at June 07, 2013 08:29 AM (GGCsk)

54 If this IRS "scandal" isn't the hill to die on - what is?

Posted by: fyscyl clyff

I don't know. Tell us more about your special offer on cable TV.

Posted by: Pres. TFG [/i] [/b] at June 07, 2013 08:29 AM (ujux6)

55 "striking at the idea that they are involuntarily conscripted into being false supporters in such things, as they do not, in fact, have any liberty to discuss it or object openly." --- I call it "being volun-told".

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at June 07, 2013 08:29 AM (JGSJZ)

56 Posted by: willow at June 07, 2013 12:27 PM (nqBYe) You flatter me, willow. Disseminate as freely as you wish.

Posted by: jakeman at June 07, 2013 08:29 AM (96M6e)

57 Is it safe to turn the TV back on?

Posted by: Dr. Jane D'oh at June 07, 2013 08:30 AM (lVPtV)

58 I wonder if the KosKids and everyone else on teh left who was so pissed off last night will continue to be so, now that il Douche has given the subtextual marching orders.

Posted by: My Sharia Moor at June 07, 2013 08:30 AM (0duDc)

59 So if our concern is a sign of maturity, what does their new lack of concern signify?

Posted by: holygoat at June 07, 2013 08:30 AM (vAiDn)

60 I think it's time for TFG to pull out the styrofoam columns again.

Posted by: Roy at June 07, 2013 08:30 AM (VndSC)

61 I have nothing to do with my Administration.

Posted by: Barack Obama at June 07, 2013 08:30 AM (gWHwW)

62 43 Whence came you?

Posted by: Beto at June 07, 2013 08:31 AM (VWfCN)

63 This is the same reasoning as Fast and Furious.  Bush did it, but not really, and you didn't object.  So, I don't understand the objections you have now. 

Posted by: no good deed at June 07, 2013 08:31 AM (mjR67)

64
Four smartphones and seven blogs ago, our spies brought forth on this continent a new world order, conceived in Chicago and dedicated to the proposition that I could crush you like a bug.

Posted by: Honest Obama at June 07, 2013 08:31 AM (Opo0Q)

65 Barry talks out of both sides of his ears. And, he needs that new Deluxe Wax Vac Ear Wax Cleaner set to high.

Posted by: Ms. Plinkett - Ace's life coach at June 07, 2013 08:32 AM (XYSwB)

66 For all the actual Presidentin' this clown does, we might as well name one of those New Guinea headhunters who wear a straw tube on their dicks as President. We would at least be spared the constant lies and endless hot wind he emits.

Posted by: maddogg at June 07, 2013 08:32 AM (OlN4e)

67 Oh, and I'd like to have a discussion about the thing I did in your collective mouth.

Posted by: President Obama at June 07, 2013 08:32 AM (mjR67)

68 [ I have nothing to do with my Administration.

Posted by: Barack Obama at June 07, 2013 12:30 PM (gWHwW) [/i]

 

Thread winnah.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at June 07, 2013 08:32 AM (4df7R)

69 Ask if NSA targeted conservative groups

Posted by: thunderb at June 07, 2013 08:32 AM (23tJG)

70 Did he learn about the NSA spying on us all from the news?

Posted by: Dr. Jane D'oh at June 07, 2013 08:32 AM (lVPtV)

71 Hope he gets comfortable with the view. Because his ass will be polishing chairs until the next presidential election. None of the rats in Washington will pass anything for Mr. Arrogant, Hissy-Fit.

Posted by: Marcus at June 07, 2013 08:33 AM (GGCsk)

72 Huh. Well, I bailed on the speech and went to turn on Rush about the moment he talked about how, among the 6 million Americans helped by Obamacare, were 6 million Latino-Americans.

Well, the sentence on which I actually left was the one about how he has good news for folks in states that are implementing Obamacare properly. Implication being that if your costs are going up *cough*California*cough*, it's because your state is not properly implementing Obamacare, so it's not his fault.

Posted by: Largely Irrelevant Assault Citizen Anachronda at June 07, 2013 08:33 AM (U82Km)

73 Our President is pugnacious. And that's not just because he's eaten dog

Posted by: Body Builder at June 07, 2013 08:33 AM (DrC22)

74 I keep waiting for a 16 ton weight to fall out of hte sky and smash this clown.

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at June 07, 2013 08:33 AM (EGPJQ)

75 This is the same reasoning as Fast and Furious. Bush did it, but not really, and you didn't object. So, I don't understand the objections you have now.

Posted by: no good deed

 

Exactly.  Execpt the SCOAMF and his minions always leave out the very critical differences to these programs under the two administrations.

Posted by: cheri at June 07, 2013 08:33 AM (G+Wff)

76 I heard it was because of the GOP Sequester. And, Bush. But, now we've matured. How much more sh*t can we throw at the wall to make sure all the LIV's believe us?

Posted by: Ms. Plinkett - Ace's life coach at June 07, 2013 08:33 AM (XYSwB)

77

@69

 

He read it in our emails.

Posted by: Jollyroger at June 07, 2013 08:33 AM (t06LC)

78 "He had a good word for it, which I sadly forget, striking at the idea that they are involuntarily conscripted into being false supporters in such things, as they do not, in fact, have any liberty to discuss it or object openly." This sort of statement makes me angry, Of course they have the liberty to discuss it or object openly. They stand up on C-SPAN or post it on a web site or call a reporter and fucking discuss it. They choose not to do so. Maybe that choice is justified. Maybe not. But it's never not their choice.

Posted by: GalosGann at June 07, 2013 08:33 AM (vW1n3)

79 He thinks we're idiots, like him. Says he wants his privacy protected... Considering he will always be part of the elite, he has nothing to worry about. I hate him, his wife, his kids, his inbred relatives, his friends, his employees, his drug dealer, his accountant, his chef, his gardener, his tailor, his gynecologist... No matter what, he is set for life, as are most in DC and most liberal & conservative big-name stars. It is US. The little people who have to worry.

Posted by: Baldy at June 07, 2013 08:33 AM (tyDFN)

80 56 Is it safe to turn the TV back on?

It was never really off.  We saw that little prancy dance with the latex bondage suit you did when you thought it was off.

Posted by: The NSA at June 07, 2013 08:33 AM (RNCRF)

81

3 Why does this man hate straw so much?

 

Straw and cans. HE HATES CANS!

Posted by: alittleenglish at June 07, 2013 08:33 AM (SHZnC)

82 I hope Jon Stewart is dangling from a light fixture.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at June 07, 2013 08:34 AM (YLiz5)

83 53. -> I don't know. Tell us more about your special offer on cable TV. I don't get it.

Posted by: fyscyl clyff at June 07, 2013 08:34 AM (Z1/Hr)

84 In fact, former President Bush is still in charge of the Administration. He determines all of my cabinet picks.

Posted by: Barack Obama at June 07, 2013 08:34 AM (gWHwW)

85 Ace, We all know your porn strike was complete BS. Your proclivity for foot fetish videos disturb us.

Posted by: NSA at June 07, 2013 08:34 AM (6Zy+s)

86 Why is he orange?

Posted by: Ma Bell at June 07, 2013 12:20 PM (RLdcX)


----


Obama??? or Boehner??

Posted by: Drone Strike Database at June 07, 2013 08:35 AM (nELVU)

87 EoJ, I need some life advice.  What's your fee?

Posted by: Dr. Jane D'oh at June 07, 2013 08:35 AM (lVPtV)

88 Pffft. The MSM breaking headline is "Obama says every member of Congress knew about NSA data gathering".

Is that what they got out of this? Those idiots.

A bunch of Congressman already said that's bullshit.

Posted by: Marcus at June 07, 2013 08:35 AM (GGCsk)

89 NO SHAME. LYING THE NORM.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at June 07, 2013 08:35 AM (wR+pz)

90 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at June 07, 2013 08:35 AM (/PCJa)

91 I hope Jon Stewart is dangling from a light fixture.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at June 07, 2013 12:34 PM (YLiz5)

 

I'll take that bet and    I'll raise you a Bill Maher.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at June 07, 2013 08:35 AM (4df7R)

92 Congress wasn't briefed - they were lied to.   Under oath, if I am not mistaken.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at June 07, 2013 08:35 AM (54/YX)

93

@84

 

Actually, we were unaware there was even a fetish for "furry feet"

Posted by: NSA at June 07, 2013 08:35 AM (t06LC)

94 Burn it down. Scatter the stones. Salt the earth where it stood.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at June 07, 2013 08:36 AM (/PCJa)

95 Barky needs a life coach as he suffers terribly from SCOAMF's syndrome.

Posted by: dananjcon at June 07, 2013 08:36 AM (jvd3N)

96 I just joined up for the retirement benefits, golf and endless vacations.

Posted by: Obama Jung-un at June 07, 2013 08:36 AM (VWfCN)

97 I thought I felt a powerful shift in the force, as if the greatest orator of all time had summoned all the power at his disposal to effectively communicate and persuade those around him. but i was wrong, it was just obama stinking it up as usual.

Posted by: joeindc44 didn't write this either at June 07, 2013 08:36 AM (QxSug)

98 From the previous thread- since it's on-topic here: We've established a process that the American people should feel confident with...I don't welcome leaks because there is a reason why these programs are classified. *seething rage* Let's take this at face value for a moment, shall we? Why, O SCOAMT, might "the American people" not "feel confident with" your process? Could it be that your IRS targeted average American citizens for harassment simply because they disagreed with you politically? And could it be because you took the actual person who oversaw such activity and promoted her to be in charge of implementing the provisions of the new health care law? And, why, oh why, might someone have leaked this? Could it be that by casting such a wide net, you are no longer abiding by that very "process" you "established?" Or, rather, could it be that the established process is one that is so wholly bad that leakers (remember how they were called "whistle-blowers" when Bush was in office) felt compelled to say something? Now, with that out of the way, let's get to the unstated part of your argument- see, what you're trying to hide by your argument is that the "process" that was "established" was supposed to target discrete individuals suspected of terrorist activity, or suspected of direct ties to terrorists. This (PRISM and the Telecom warrants) is not that. This is a wide net cast to catch all electronic communications by all US Citizens to anyone anywhere. That is not data to which the US Government has a right; the government should not even have access to it.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at June 07, 2013 08:36 AM (/PCJa)

99 I'm lost. Is he still a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure?

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at June 07, 2013 08:36 AM (ujux6)

100 "Says he wants his privacy protected..."



Boy howdy!  No one's privacy is more protected than his.

Posted by: Tami[/i][/b][/u][/s] at June 07, 2013 08:36 AM (X6akg)

101 Yes EoJ, I need life advice too. May I soak your shirt with tears and snot?

Posted by: Old Whore at June 07, 2013 08:36 AM (OlN4e)

102 HE HATES CANS!

Posted by: alittleenglish at June 07, 2013 12:33 PM (SHZnC)

 

But I believe he's fond of gooch cans.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at June 07, 2013 08:36 AM (4df7R)

103
"He meant to leave but someone asked a question and he stayed to answer it. The question was about leaks. He's now gone off on a tangent, effectively blaming Congress, saying they are "fully briefed" and "empowered" to object if there's anything objectionable."


Aww isn't it cute how the TelePrompter Twerp(TM) orchestrates these planted questions from the "press"?

Looks like those closed-door off the record meetings with the Journalistos is paying off........

Posted by: Strife at June 07, 2013 08:36 AM (Ul1S7)

104 86 EoJ, I need some life advice. What's your fee? Posted by: Dr. Jane D'oh at June 07, 2013 12:35 PM (lVPtV) -------------- That depends. How fucked up is your life?

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at June 07, 2013 08:37 AM (YLiz5)

105 Dear numbnuts: Whither Dzhokhar Tsarnaev? How did this massive breach of privacy not catch him?

Posted by: joeindc44 didn't write this either at June 07, 2013 08:37 AM (QxSug)

106 Fuck this guy, his administration, his policies, his agenda, his divisiveness, his arrogance, his hubris, his condescension, his aloofness and his narcissism.

I have done and will continue to do absolutely everything within the purview of the Constitution and laws of the United States to oppose, hamstring, annoy and otherwise aggravate this fucking fuck and all his cronies.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, The Colossus of Independence at June 07, 2013 08:37 AM (fwARV)

107 That depends. How fucked up is your life?

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at June 07, 2013 12:37 PM (YLiz5




I'm trying to decide whether to stick with pastels for summer. 

Posted by: Dr. Jane D'oh at June 07, 2013 08:37 AM (lVPtV)

108 99 I'm lost. Is he still a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure? Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 07, 2013 12:36 PM (ujux6) Considering the past 4 plus years, I'd say he's succeeded. Still, stuttering, clusterfuck and miserable do apply.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at June 07, 2013 08:37 AM (+98Gb)

109 Does anybody know if President Obama or Michelle Obama will be attending and Gay pride day events this month?

Posted by: LaQuisha Largess at June 07, 2013 08:38 AM (90aTA)

110 Five Years ago?
Seven years ago?
Blaming it on Bush?

BULLSHIT! This didn't start until the DEMOCRATS took Congress!

Posted by: Hobbiehawk at June 07, 2013 08:38 AM (IPGju)

111 soooooooooo......can i retrieve my contact list? my phone died two years ago and i lost everything......i asked verizon...they said there was nothing they could do since i had not previously saved it on some ap they have

Posted by: phoenixgirl@phxazgrl..back home at June 07, 2013 08:38 AM (8JJ6O)

112

Gleen Grenwald?  Now you're quoting him without laughing?

 

Oh that's right, the two of you are now in that rather exclusive club: bloggers who have been mentioned  in Congress. 

Posted by: BurtTC at June 07, 2013 08:38 AM (TOk1P)

113 I have done and will continue to do absolutely everything within the purview of the Constitution and laws of the United States to oppose, hamstring, annoy and otherwise aggravate this fucking fuck and all his cronies. It may be time to walk further up the "founding document" tree. Something about "when in the course of human events..."

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at June 07, 2013 08:38 AM (/PCJa)

114

"Says he wants his privacy protected..."


 

No shit, fuckwit.   That's why anyone who asks to see your birth certificate, college transcripts     or anything, really, from your youth,     receive a    deep and thorough colonoscopy from your shock troops in the MFM, the IRS, the FBI, the EPA, the ATF...

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at June 07, 2013 08:39 AM (4df7R)

115 NSA can be used like the IRS Has anyone asked about that??

Posted by: thunderb at June 07, 2013 08:39 AM (23tJG)

116 I am not that far from San Jose, can you imagine the stink here? Posted by: Ma Bell
----------------------

Hey..., we had to hose down the entire state when he left yesterday.

Posted by: North Carolina at June 07, 2013 08:39 AM (aDwsi)

117 Not only will you have to lump it, you'll have to like it, too.

Posted by: Bronco Bama at June 07, 2013 08:39 AM (hHgxI)

118

105Why is he orange?

   

 

Because he has no appeal...  Thank you. Thank you very much.

Posted by: Cheap comic at June 07, 2013 08:39 AM (EGPJQ)

119 I don't think I like him.

Posted by: Filly at June 07, 2013 08:39 AM (9qL1t)

120  It is almost cosmic.

He really has Become  Ear Leader.

Posted by: willow at June 07, 2013 08:39 AM (nqBYe)

121 Don't you know baby, I'll be there, I'll be there Just call my name, I'll be there (I'll be there) Oh oh oh oh I'll be there, I'll be there

Posted by: Reggie the Life Coach at June 07, 2013 08:39 AM (DrC22)

122 The temptation would have been too great.  It is a virtual certainty that they used the data to manipulate the markets.

Posted by: Dr. SpongeBob Saget is not accepting tourettes patients at June 07, 2013 08:39 AM (epxV4)

123

@117

 

Yes. We have.

Posted by: NSA at June 07, 2013 08:40 AM (t06LC)

124 Ace,

We all know your porn strike was complete BS. Your proclivity for foot fetish videos disturb us.

 

Posted by: NSA at June 07, 2013 12:34 PM (6Zy+s)

 

I thought Ace was into tan-line prOn?  I'm the one with the shoe fetish.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at June 07, 2013 08:40 AM (zF6Iw)

125

"I'm trying to decide whether to stick with pastels for summer. "

 

 

!!!

 

No, wait. I thought you said 'pasties'.

Posted by: Cicero Kid, Zombie Coach at June 07, 2013 08:40 AM (jz0+s)

126 Jay Carney: "Hey let's keep focused on the real issues here. Mr. Obama simply read what was on the teleprompter -- you can actually see his eyes moving as he reads the text. Teleprompters have been used for years, in one administration after the other. If we want to have a national dialog over whether Presidential candidates should stray from the text of the teleprompter, that's fine. But let's not permit Fox News and the New York Times to improperly place the blame for the text that was loaded into the teleprompter at Mr. Obama's feet -- when everyone in Washington knows that Mr. Obama does not load the teleprompter or even know how to."

Posted by: Cyrus Pants at June 07, 2013 08:40 AM (scDPS)

127 Obama: Hey, Congress, here's some info about a felony I'm committing. Oh, it's a felony if you tell anybody about my felony. (Crime is revealed in the media.) Obama: Hey, Congress has known about this for years and didn't object. Clearly they approved. Water under the bridge, baby. Spilled milk. Deal with it.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at June 07, 2013 08:40 AM (ZPrif)

128 I hope that all of Hollywoods usual suspects are hanging from the chandeliers.

Posted by: Jack at June 07, 2013 08:40 AM (gWHwW)

129 When he speaks I get the creepiest feeling inside.

Posted by: Liliana at June 07, 2013 08:40 AM (Zx3MS)

130 I wish Trey Gowdy could ask TFG a few questions. 

Posted by: Dr. Jane D'oh at June 07, 2013 08:40 AM (lVPtV)

131 I agree with Gore and Greenwald. Sign of the end of time

Posted by: thunderb at June 07, 2013 08:40 AM (23tJG)

132 117 NSA can be used like the IRS
Has anyone asked about that?? Posted by: thunderb
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Horrible customer service..., which is different than servicing the customers horribly.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at June 07, 2013 08:40 AM (aDwsi)

133

Actually, we were unaware there was even a fetish for "furry feet"

 

There's a fetish for almost everything.

Posted by: Michele Obama's Landing Strip at June 07, 2013 08:41 AM (deh5N)

134 they are involuntarily conscripted into being false supporters in such things, as they do not, in fact, have any liberty to discuss it or object openly. No. They merely cannot do so without consequence. Which means that the Administration spying on every US Citizen in the largest fishing expedition in the history of the US is less problematic to them than whatever consequence would have resulted from shouting about this from the roof-tops.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at June 07, 2013 08:41 AM (/PCJa)

135 Hey, if you liked it under Booosh, you have to love it under Bronco Bama. It's. The. Law.

Posted by: Bronco Bama at June 07, 2013 08:41 AM (hHgxI)

136 105 Why is he orange? Because he's half red and half yellow. Posted by: The Mega Independent at June 07, 2013 12:37 PM (uvaJ1) Perfect!

Posted by: Body Builder at June 07, 2013 08:41 AM (DrC22)

137
Obama is a liar.

Posted by: PRISM at June 07, 2013 08:41 AM (g5YAm)

138 Some raw NSA docs being leaked, according to Gizmodo http://gizmodo.com/anonymous-just-leaked-a-trove-of-nsa-documents-511854773

Posted by: BruinEric at June 07, 2013 08:41 AM (XQOtG)

139 When he speaks I get the creepiest feeling inside. Posted by: Liliana
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Try an anti-acid...., though Imodium may be called for.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at June 07, 2013 08:42 AM (aDwsi)

140 Didn't most of the Patriot Act expire? Let me check. OK I checked. It did expire. Guess who signed its extension?

Posted by: That Guy at June 07, 2013 08:42 AM (LYtpo)

141 NSA can be used like the IRS


Has anyone asked about that??

----

Well... remember they day after the election.... Steph Cutter was bragging about their get out the vote machine.... how the tailored invidual emails to supporters... how they knew who and where those voters were.

Where do you think all that data came from????

Posted by: fixerupper at June 07, 2013 08:42 AM (nELVU)

142 You know what?  I don't fucking care how it sounds or looks anymore.

As far as I am concerned, Jugears McFuckstick has pretty much passed on any right to privacy he had.

Unseal his records, now.  His school records, passport, all of it.  And fuck him if he tries to sue over it.  He has absolutely no problem burrowing through everyone else's private business.

He seems to forget, ideally, he works for US, not the other way around.

Please, let there be an omniscient, omnipotent "low-level employee" out there that can make this happen.  What can TFG say?  He's got no problem with spying on everyone else, high time he got hoisted on his own damn petard.

I know, it will never happen.  But I think my blood pressure went from 'DEATH IMMINENT' to 'ALERT PARAMEDICS,' at least.

Thanks for letting a little bug-eyed dog rant

Posted by: acethepug at June 07, 2013 08:42 AM (F60WG)

143 No just Bush's fault.

Posted by: Liliana at June 07, 2013 08:42 AM (Zx3MS)

144 The temptation would have been too great. It is a virtual certainty that they used the data to manipulate the markets. Undoubtedly. Plus, Obama has used leaked, private information against his enemies before and that was just with a few corrupt judges. Imagine what he has now.

Posted by: AmishDude at June 07, 2013 08:42 AM (T0NGe)

145 They make socks now too? Man, their shoes are fuggin ugly, i can only imagine what their socks look like.

Posted by: dananjcon at June 07, 2013 12:40 PM (jvd3N)

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Used condoms

Posted by: Cheap comic at June 07, 2013 08:42 AM (EGPJQ)

146 July 1, 2012 Meet The Press:

DAVID GREGORY: Well, Republicans have said they won't waste any time to try to repeal this. Is that fantasy from your point of view?

NANCY PELOSI: It's being the mouthpiece of the health insurance industry. And we're saying let's not have them be in charge anymore. Let the people be in charge of how they receive coverage and health care. It's -- they'll bring it up, and when they bring it up they will ask for repeal, repeal of all the things I said that help children, help young adults, help seniors, help men or women who may have prostate cancer, breast cancer, whatever it is, any precondition. And everybody will have lower rates, better quality care and better access. So that's what they want to repeal, we're happy to have that debate.

.. Note the line 'And everybody will have lower rates, better quality care and better access.'

Pelosi is now saying that she never said "everybody"

Posted by: Pres**ent Barack “Unexpectedly” Obama at June 07, 2013 08:42 AM (e8kgV)

147

So Obama just said nobody is listening to your phone calls.

 

If that's the case, why have this program then?

Posted by: CDR M at June 07, 2013 08:43 AM (BuYeH)

148 When he speaks I get the creepiest feeling inside. Well, that's better than me. When he speaks, my knuckles itch. It's probably a good thing I avoid him as much as possible.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at June 07, 2013 08:43 AM (/PCJa)

149 And what about that massive building going up in Utah? Does that have to do with any of this?

Posted by: Liliana at June 07, 2013 08:43 AM (Zx3MS)

150

So the government has been data mining phone/internet/credit charges for years, spying on everyone.  All in the name of stopping terror.

 

So tell me, Barry, how did you manage to fucking drop the ball on those Tsarnaev brothers, you know, the ones we were warned about BY NAME from two different countries?  Seems to be a whole in your 'enforcement', unless your talking about enforcement against the TEA Party and other conservative groups.

 

Fuck You, Obama.

 

Fuck You, Holder.

 

Fuck You, NSA.

 

Fuck You, FBI.

 

And to any agency I have missed, a hearty Fuck You, too.

 

Oh, and Pelosi, a Fuck You with an elephant cock.

Posted by: RickZ at June 07, 2013 08:43 AM (IWQxf)

151 We are NOT on the road to becoming another failed state like Cuba or Venezuela.  No -- we are THERE.  You're welcome.

Posted by: Bronco Bama at June 07, 2013 08:43 AM (hHgxI)

152 #141, jeebus, check out this comment from Gizmodo:

The NSA is on our side, unless you are a scumbag who likes to take other people's property. The more collection the better. I have nothing to hide. If you do, you should be jailed so the rest of us can work on worthwhile endeavors.

Posted by: Dr. Jane D'oh at June 07, 2013 08:43 AM (lVPtV)

153 Well... remember they day after the election.... Steph Cutter was bragging about their get out the vote machine.... how the tailored invidual emails to supporters... how they knew who and where those voters were. Where do you think all that data came from???? --- Good point.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at June 07, 2013 08:44 AM (JGSJZ)

154 n Saturday, February 27, 2010, President Barack Obama signed into law legislation that would temporarily extend for one year, three controversial provisions of the Patriot Act that had been set to expire:[178] [179] [180] Authorize court-approved roving wiretaps that permit surveillance on multiple phones. Allow court-approved seizure of records and property in anti-terrorism operations. Permit surveillance against a so-called lone wolf, a non-U.S. citizen engaged in terrorism who may not be part of a recognized terrorist group.[181]

Posted by: That Guy at June 07, 2013 08:44 AM (LYtpo)

155

The NSA program is insane. Our countries share intelligence data and now I want to end that as this most likely breaks our laws on privacy rights. How would all of you feel if we ran a program like this that collects all of your info than presumably shares it with your CIA?

Every western country complains about the chinese spying and stealing of secrets. Your NSA makes them look like a bunch of pikers.

Kettle meet pot.

Posted by: Con in Canada at June 07, 2013 08:44 AM (VPiZq)

156 114 Oh that's right, the two of you are now in that rather exclusive club: bloggers who have been mentioned in Congress.

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Does that mean Ace gets invited to the Build-a-Burger conferences now?

Posted by: Largely Irrelevant Assault Citizen Anachronda at June 07, 2013 08:44 AM (U82Km)

157

133 -

 

Outrageously overpriced too, I'm sure. 

Posted by: BurtTC at June 07, 2013 08:44 AM (TOk1P)

158 I've been trying to parse out the various issues this whole topic implicates and I want to yammer away at one that is being discussed though I believe most people, including me, are doing so obliquely. One of the most troubling issues with the NSA cell phone program and PRISM is burden shifting. The burden now appears to be on the individual to prove that they are not doing anything wrong rather than on the US government to prove that they are. This is a fundamental betrayal of numerous Constitutional principles though it is, unfortunately, the logical end point of where criminal law and jurisprudence has been heading for some years. Let's review the defense that the NSA is using a 51% probability analysis to determine "foreignness" before there is further scrutiny. There is still the underlying capture of that data without a warrant. This is of a piece with the DOJ position that in spite of the unanimous SCOTUS ruling that a GPS tracker cannot be placed without a warrant, law enforcement officials should still be permitted to do so because how else are they to get the information to get a warrant. This is Wonderland. This is turning the presumption of innocence on its head. This is the utter destruction of the Fourth Amendment. This is also wholly consistent with the elimination of any type of mens rea for crimes. It is the codification, de facto if not outright de jure, that everyone is guilty until proven innocent. No. No. A trillion times no. That is a betrayal of the very foundations of the Republic. I shan't even get into the issues with the apparent inability of many people to distinguish between differences in kind.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Mmmm. Blondies with whipped cream. at June 07, 2013 08:44 AM (VtjlW)

159 The president loses his binky: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=S-uPwsbSwlM

Posted by: AmishDude at June 07, 2013 08:44 AM (T0NGe)

160

Speaking of terrorism, it helps to occasionally consider the goals of the enemy instead of the methodology.  

 

In URL.  

I suggest opposing both the goals and methodology of those who would enslave us.  

Posted by: Beagle at June 07, 2013 08:45 AM (sOtz/)

161

Gee, I hope the NSA can't extrapolate what I think about this fucking government  and our dystopian future  from what I'm typing. 

 

If you're reading this, Gummint Pencilneck, please allow me to remind you that *you're* part of the problem and our eventual destruction  regardless of what your superiors have told you - and all for a steady paycheck.  How heroic.

Posted by: Jaws at June 07, 2013 08:45 AM (4I3Uo)

162 did that f'ing guy just defend obamacare on the grounds of cost lowering? Has he done any work in the last 5 years? Or even read about the thing that is named after him, yet he did no work on?

Posted by: joeindc44 didn't write this either at June 07, 2013 08:45 AM (QxSug)

163
Lets see....they had all this info, yet still said a video is why an Ambassador and 3 others were killed in Benghazi?

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 07, 2013 08:45 AM (g5YAm)

164 I agree with Gore and Greenwald.


Sign of the end of time

Posted by: thunderb at June 07, 2013 12:40 PM (23tJG)

 

Think of it like this:  we're always accused of making things "political" and "partisan."    But these incidences of government overreach into the lives of everyday Americans     are something that    people of ALL political stripes agree is abhorrent.      This should not be an issue that only    GOP politicians care about;   it should be an issue that EVERY AMERICAN cares about.   That's how it SHOULD be.  

 

Anyone who calls this a GOP witchhunt       is   being stupid and deliberately so.   This isn't partisan.   And Gore and Greenwald sharing our POV on this      is   just further proof of that.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at June 07, 2013 08:45 AM (4df7R)

165 No, wait. I thought you said 'pasties'.>>

Are those the Cornish Calzones they sell all over the U.P. of Michigan?

Posted by: Judge at June 07, 2013 08:46 AM (wrS2o)

166 He used leaked confidential info to get in to elected office, every time he ran. NSA needs to be asked about targeting groups ala IRS

Posted by: thunderb at June 07, 2013 08:46 AM (23tJG)

167 "I have nothing to do with my administration" I am stealing that putting it outside on my whiteboard of political gripes"

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 07, 2013 08:46 AM (iwHSQ)

168 What time is Speaker Boehner's rebuttal scheduled ?

Posted by: Hunker down and L.I.B. at June 07, 2013 08:46 AM (Cs2tJ)

169 Well... remember they day after the election.... Steph Cutter was bragging about their get out the vote machine.... how the tailored invidual emails to supporters... how they knew who and where those voters were.

Where do you think all that data came from????

Posted by: fixerupper at June 07, 2013 12:42 PM (nELVU)




If that's ever proven, then it's on.

Posted by: EC at June 07, 2013 08:46 AM (GQ8sn)

170 I shan't even get into the issues with the apparent inability of many people to distinguish between differences in kind. Don't worry. MWR and I have been hammering on that one for a while now. I don't think we're going to stop any time soon either.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at June 07, 2013 08:46 AM (/PCJa)

171 Well... remember they day after the election.... Steph Cutter was bragging about their get out the vote machine.... how the tailored invidual emails to supporters... how they knew who and where those voters were. Where do you think all that data came from???? Posted by: fixerupper at June 07, 2013 12:42 PM (nELVU) If that's ever proven, then it's on. Honestly? I think Google gave it to them for free.

Posted by: AmishDude at June 07, 2013 08:48 AM (T0NGe)

172 No. No. A trillion times no. That is a betrayal of the very foundations of the Republic.


Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Mmmm. Blondies with whipped cream. at June 07, 2013 12:44 PM (VtjlW)

 

 

EXCELLENT rant, as always.   And chilling because every word is true.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at June 07, 2013 08:48 AM (4df7R)

173
This Narcissistic Jug-Eared AssClown never tires of turning his obvious guilt into someone else's blame.

Infuckingcredible.

He's pathological .....


Posted by: Strife at June 07, 2013 08:48 AM (Ul1S7)

174 which I sadly forget, striking at the idea that they are involuntarily conscripted into being false supporters in such things, as they do not, in fact, have any liberty to discuss it or object openly.

I'm not sure how Congress would be forbidden from issuing legislation to address it though. That sounds like a Constitutional impossibility.

The sad fact is that the bulk of Congress knew it was happening. And while it's tactically poor and or distasteful to admit it, this is another chalk mark under Angelo Codevilla's thesis.

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at June 07, 2013 08:48 AM (ujux6)

175
hmmm....Roberts and Petraeus, Roberts and Petraeus.....

sorry, just musing for a second....

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at June 07, 2013 08:49 AM (g5YAm)

176 He's def. back on the weed. (or something stronger) tiny.cc/4aibyw

Posted by: laceyunderalls at June 07, 2013 08:49 AM (pLTLS)

177

I'm lost. Is he still a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure?

 

Yes   he  is  still a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure.

 

And fuck the NSA and every Prog/Com in DC and elsewhere.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at June 07, 2013 08:49 AM (0HooB)

178

Congress is a neutered hostage. They had their chance to assert themselves over the Libya intervention and folded. They deserve what they got.

 

Unfortunately, we the people have to vote them out to hold them accountable.

Posted by: Arms Merchant at June 07, 2013 08:49 AM (5RUlF)

179 Don't worry. MWR and I have been hammering on that one for a while now. I don't think we're going to stop any time soon either.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at June 07, 2013 12:46 PM (/PCJa)

 

Damn straight!

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at June 07, 2013 08:49 AM (4df7R)

180 alexthechick - SMOD. Mmmm. Blondies with whipped cream. at June 07, 2013 12:44 PM (VtjlW) Excellent post, alexthechick

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 07, 2013 08:49 AM (iwHSQ)

181 I read about the massive NSA building being built in Utah and I wondered where all the "information" they were going to store was coming from. Well not wondered, I suspected.

Posted by: Liliana at June 07, 2013 08:50 AM (Zx3MS)

182 He's President Teflon. Everything just slides off him onto us. It's always the bogeyman. Posted by: Marcus at June 07, 2013 12:29 PM (GGCsk) He is NOT President "Teflon", he' President "Praetorian Guard." The Media have always formed a protective ring around this piece of shit, like flies guarding a carcass. Stuff doesn't slide off him, it's intercepted before it ever gets a chance to hit him. To Reagan, the media were his enemies. They couldn't lay a glove on him because he was just that good.

Posted by: Diogenes' Lamp at June 07, 2013 08:50 AM (bb5+k)

183 It should be noted the President was in North Carolina to talk about the need for providing schools with high-speed Internet. This is perfectly understandable. The Government guys have been getting tired of standing around doing nothing while waiting for your slow connection to load the next website on your computer. They thought they would help out.

Posted by: T. at June 07, 2013 08:50 AM (s6XYG)

184

Ok Obama. You know I'm Verizon customer. I use Yahoo email. I'm a Moron and donate money to conservative candidates. So with that said, FUCK  YOU and YOUR FUCKING GESTAPO RULE.

 

The cynical misanthropic humanitarian.

Posted by: Misanthropic humanitarian at June 07, 2013 08:50 AM (HVff2)

185 179
hmmm....Roberts and Petraeus, Roberts and Petraeus.....

sorry, just musing for a second....



Yep. 

Posted by: Dr. Jane D'oh at June 07, 2013 08:51 AM (lVPtV)

186

I'm going to come right out and say it - I don't care how potentially useful universal data mining of everything every American says, writes, does, or buys may be to the "global war on terror."  I don't support it.  If that means we have to fight terrorism the old-fashioned way, then so be it.

Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at June 07, 2013 08:51 AM (YYJjz)

187 jeebus, check out this comment from Gizmodo:

The NSA is on our side, unless you are a scumbag who likes to take other
people's property. The more collection the better. I have nothing to
hide. If you do, you should be jailed so the rest of us can work on
worthwhile endeavors.

Posted by: Dr. Jane D'oh at June 07, 2013 12:43 PM (lVPtV)



What a self-satisfied pile of garbage that fuckhead is.  Worthwhile endeavors are in the eye of the beholder, fucko, and from this view you're creating a big fat turd sammich.

Posted by: Dr. Captain Hate at June 07, 2013 08:51 AM (USd9c)

188 I couldn't get the link to directly link but take the few seconds to check it out. He looks like he's mid nervous breakdown. Or high as a m'fn kite.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at June 07, 2013 08:51 AM (pLTLS)

189

"This needs to be torn down. I'm not willing to exchange
freedom for total security, let alone the vague and iffy hope of
security."

 

Werd.  Needs to be inscribed on the side of an asteroid and dropped on DC.

Posted by: Jaws at June 07, 2013 08:51 AM (4I3Uo)

190 Hey, Obama!   You're a communist and everyone knows it!   Stop trying to pretend you're just an average    Democrat.   Do what you've wanted to do and just go full "Bulworth."   TRUST me.  

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at June 07, 2013 08:51 AM (4df7R)

191 Artists me like led at Drudge says Petraehs is at Bildaburger advocating massive data collection and storage

Posted by: thunderb at June 07, 2013 08:51 AM (23tJG)

192
4 Why is he orange?



Because Frank Marshall Davis was fond of eating Cheetos while he banged the socialist shit outta Ann Dunham's cum-dumpster commie-box.......

Posted by: Strife at June 07, 2013 08:52 AM (Ul1S7)

193 Uh... everyone except the actual guilty. Never forget the fetish that libs have for actual criminals. Posted by: The Mega Independent at June 07, 2013 12:50 PM (uvaJ1) Ahhh, yes. Excellent point.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Mmmm. Blondies with whipped cream. at June 07, 2013 08:52 AM (VtjlW)

194 Ted Bundy -- so mild mannered and friendly, no one caught on that he was a serial killer.  Jerry Sandusky and Jimmy Savile -- so fun-loving and charismatic, no one caught on they were pedophiles.  Bronco Bama -- so cool, smooth, and well-creased, no one caught on I'm a Socialist. Til it was too late!  Wah-hahahahahahaha!

Posted by: Bronco Bama at June 07, 2013 08:52 AM (hHgxI)

195 If that means we have to fight terrorism the old-fashioned way, then so be it. You know? I'd bet we'd have more peace if we did fight it the old-fashioned way. But we quit doing that a long time ago.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at June 07, 2013 08:52 AM (/PCJa)

196 How about we fight terrorism by killing islamis radicals?

Posted by: garrett at June 07, 2013 08:52 AM (deh5N)

197 If that's ever proven, then it's on. Do you believe that a thief should not be convicted of stealing and punished for it unless we can prove what he planned to do with whatever it was that the cocksucker stole?

Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at June 07, 2013 08:52 AM (V3kRK)

198 My Asshole-ometer exploded at the sight of scoamf.

Posted by: RobM1981 at June 07, 2013 08:53 AM (zurJC)

199 How about we fight terrorism by killing islamis radicals?

Posted by: garrett at June 07, 2013 12:52 PM (deh5N)


No such thing.

Posted by: CAIR at June 07, 2013 08:53 AM (Aif/5)

200 165 did that f'ing guy just defend obamacare on the grounds of cost lowering?

Yes, he did.

Has he done any work in the last 5 years? Or even read about the thing that is named after him, yet he did no work on?

It's not *his* fault the states aren't implementing it properly.

Posted by: Largely Irrelevant Assault Citizen Anachronda at June 07, 2013 08:54 AM (U82Km)

201 WTF Article linked at Drudge says Petraeus hearts PRISM

Posted by: thunderb at June 07, 2013 08:54 AM (23tJG)

202

"Flounder, you can't spend your whole life worrying about your mistakes! You fucked up... you trusted us! Hey, make the best of it! Maybe we can help."

 

 

Posted by: BobJustBob at June 07, 2013 08:54 AM (7o1gq)

203 196 Artists me like led at Drudge says Petraehs is at Bildaburger advocating massive data collection and storage

Even though it links to Infowars, I believe it.

Posted by: Hunker down and L.I.B. at June 07, 2013 08:54 AM (Cs2tJ)

204 If Socialism is so bad, why is it the ideology of choice of so many wealthy dictators and despots?

Posted by: Bronco Bama at June 07, 2013 08:54 AM (hHgxI)

205 193 I couldn't get the link to directly link but take the few seconds to check it out. He looks like he's mid nervous breakdown. Or high as a m'fn kite.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at June 07, 2013 12:51 PM (pLTLS)




I so want to watch him completely melt down.  Do malignant narcissists have melt-downs?

Posted by: Dr. Jane D'oh at June 07, 2013 08:54 AM (lVPtV)

206 There is only one thing ANY of these people understand.

We need to start zeroing out some budgets.  If it means the government shuts down, so be it.  This is the hill to die upon.

Posted by: Adjoran at June 07, 2013 08:54 AM (473jB)

207 Article linked at Drudge says Petraeus hearts PRISM --- I'm guessing that he tied his own noose with that one.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at June 07, 2013 08:55 AM (JGSJZ)

208


America used to spy on the enemy.


Now, Obama spies on America.... because we are HIS enemy....

Posted by: Strife at June 07, 2013 08:55 AM (Ul1S7)

209 so what have you been doing for the past 5 years, then?

Posted by: joeindc44 didn't write this either at June 07, 2013 08:55 AM (QxSug)

210

Do malignant narcissists have melt-downs?

 

 

Yes.  Epic ones.

Posted by: garrett at June 07, 2013 08:55 AM (deh5N)

211 The NSA is on our side, unless you are a scumbag who likes to take other
people's property. The more collection the better. I have nothing to
hide. If you do, you should be jailed so the rest of us can work on
worthwhile endeavors.

 

 

What a    piece of shit.    

 

Odds this dickhole has a pirated copy of "Bioshock" on his hard drive?

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at June 07, 2013 08:55 AM (4df7R)

212

My Queen, you are correct as usual.  Everything is indeed  backwards.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at June 07, 2013 08:56 AM (0HooB)

213

The NSA is on our side, unless you are a scumbag who likes to take other
people's property. The more collection the better. I have nothing to
hide. If you do, you should be jailed so the rest of us can work on
worthwhile endeavors.

 

Worthless bastard.  I hope you're first up against the wall.


Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at June 07, 2013 08:56 AM (zF6Iw)

214 Look, Wingnuts, the right to privacy only extends to abortion and gay sex, not to things like your phone calls, emails or bank records. If you were connected enough to get into Columbia and take my Constitutional law class, you stupid fucks would get the nuance.

Posted by: Professor Unprecedented at June 07, 2013 08:56 AM (0h8aq)

215 I don't listen to any of his speeches, pressers, whatever. TFG doesn't have a sincere bone in his body. Anyone who hasn't figured that out yet is too stupid to be helped. I'm talking to you, MSM.

Posted by: nerdygirl at June 07, 2013 08:57 AM (Kln64)

216 alexthechick - SMOD. Mmmm. Blondies with whipped cream. at June 07, 2013 12:44 PM (VtjlW)

AtC?  Is that a typo in your nick?

'Cause I'm willing to share some blondes with whipped cream with you.

Nobility.

Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/u][/s][/b] at June 07, 2013 08:57 AM (sbV1u)

217 Can't wait. Hope it's nuclear.

Posted by: Liliana at June 07, 2013 08:57 AM (Zx3MS)

218 Article linked at Drudge says Petraeus hearts PRISM Someone else already said this- Infowars. Grain of salt required. However, I would not be surprised. PRISM itself (just PRISM) would be troubling enough, but I might sort-of-kind-of be able to see how it would really help the war on terror. If I squint. And look at it in bad light. After getting pepper-spray in my eyes. It doesn't surprise me that big government types (which I was just assuming Pretreaus was anyway) don't mind PRISM.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at June 07, 2013 08:57 AM (/PCJa)

219

 Owl under Oak

 

Posted by: garrett at June 07, 2013 08:57 AM (deh5N)

220 I am pretty sure most of the people who truly hate us and present a danger live in the 6th or 7th century and don't have cell phones or at least they aren't making calls to AQ from a Taco Bell in San Diego.

Posted by: Marcus at June 07, 2013 08:57 AM (GGCsk)

221
..... barrel.


And you just caused a sever fluctation at the NSA.


Thats a drone strike.

Posted by: fixerupper at June 07, 2013 08:57 AM (nELVU)

222 Obsidian Owl!  Welcome to the barrel!

Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/u][/s][/b] at June 07, 2013 08:57 AM (sbV1u)

223 Posted by: The Obsidian Owl at June 07, 2013 12:56 PM (tWmgi) --- Barrel.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at June 07, 2013 08:57 AM (JGSJZ)

224 Posted by: The Obsidian Owl at June 07, 2013 12:56 PM (tWmgi) Barrel.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at June 07, 2013 08:57 AM (/PCJa)

225 Posted by: The Obsidian Owl at June 07, 2013 12:56 PM

Barrel™

Posted by: AltonJackson@work at June 07, 2013 08:57 AM (9HP5k)

226 If his purple lips are moving, he's lying.

Posted by: Fritz at June 07, 2013 08:58 AM (UzPAd)

227

Article linked at Drudge says Petraeus hearts PRISM



TRANSLATION: PRISM has a lot more dirty shit on Petraeus' fuck-up personal life just waiting in the chamber.


I see a little silhouetto of a man. Scaramouche, scaramouche, will you do the fandango?

Posted by: Strife at June 07, 2013 08:58 AM (Ul1S7)

228 they have been doing this since 2006 aren't we still supporting the Patriot Act ?

Posted by: occam at June 07, 2013 08:58 AM (BrkDN)

229 I so want to watch him completely melt down. Do malignant narcissists have melt-downs?

Posted by: Dr. Jane D'oh at June 07, 2013 12:54 PM (lVPtV)

 

 

The meltdowns of malignant narcissists are the best kind of meltdown, because they're completely unhinged.   The narcissist feels no shame in melting down because, in their eyes, THEY are the only person who matters, and everyone else must be made to feel shame about making them suffer.  And the malignant part of the narcissist will make sure that everyone watching understands taht THEY are the ones to blame, and will go into detail    about why that's the case.

 

When Obama finally cracks, it will be a beautiful thing.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at June 07, 2013 08:58 AM (4df7R)

230 Obsidian Owl, the NSA is not amused.

Posted by: Dr. Jane D'oh at June 07, 2013 08:58 AM (lVPtV)

231 Obsidian Owl?   Do I need to say it?

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at June 07, 2013 08:59 AM (4df7R)

232 Now, we were using your phone and email records for a good purpose.  Trust us!  We were hunting down those evil Teabagger Terrorists, so the IRS could target them.  Duh.

Posted by: Bronco Bama at June 07, 2013 08:59 AM (hHgxI)

233 More Obama babble

Posted by: pat at June 07, 2013 08:59 AM (LLHgu)

234 Posted by: The Obsidian Owl at June 07, 2013 12:56 PM (tWmgi) You copied and pasted from Word (or Outlook) for a one-line comment? Out of the barrel. That one's been cleaned recently. You have to go under the stairs with erg.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at June 07, 2013 08:59 AM (/PCJa)

235

Why is he orange?



"Because Frank Marshall Davis was fond of eating Cheetos while he banged the socialist shit outta Ann Dunham's cum-dumpster commie-box......."

 

Fucking poetry, man.

Posted by: Jaws at June 07, 2013 08:59 AM (4I3Uo)

236 Does he have a life-coach?

Posted by: Marcus at June 07, 2013 08:59 AM (GGCsk)

237 When Obama finally cracks, it will be a beautiful thing.

Is there anything I can do to help that along?

I'm a giver, you know.

Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/u][/s][/b] at June 07, 2013 08:59 AM (sbV1u)

238 When he speaks I get the creepiest feeling inside. Yep. Can't stand to listen t him. It's creepy because of his cult, and the fact that he knows he has a cult and relishes it.

Posted by: eleven at June 07, 2013 09:00 AM (fsLdt)

239 When Obama finally cracks, it will be a beautiful thing.



There won't be enough popcorn or pudding in the world.

Posted by: Dr. Jane D'oh at June 07, 2013 09:00 AM (lVPtV)

240 He looks like he's mid nervous breakdown. Or high as a m'fn kite.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at June 07, 2013 12:51 PM (pLTLS)



He talked like he's been outside of his own fucking administration with absolutely no input to how it's been running things.  Admittedly he golfs and goes to fundraisers all the time but that doesn't remove him from the equation.  I said at the time that when he was in the "Office of the President Elect" that he wished time would just stop.

Posted by: Dr. Captain Hate at June 07, 2013 09:00 AM (USd9c)

241 YES. I want to see every aspect of this fucking asshole's agenda stopped in their tracks, trampled and crushed, then burnt beyond recognition until they can't be identified without dental records.

FUCK YOU, asshole.  FUCK. YOU.

Posted by: Tex Lovera at June 07, 2013 09:01 AM (wtvvX)

242 they have been doing this since 2006 aren't we still supporting the Patriot Act ?

See...here's the funny part.  It was a Republican (Larry Craig, he of the wide stance) that offered a bill to stop EXACTLY this kind of shit under the Patriot Act.

You know who voted against it?  Barack Obama.

Man, actual facts must be like poison to you, huh?

Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/u][/s][/b] at June 07, 2013 09:01 AM (sbV1u)

243 Time to head off to the cabin for the weekend. Off the grid with firearms retrieved from the bottom of the Chippewa River. Take care Horde, keep up the good work.

Posted by: Misanthropic humanitarian at June 07, 2013 09:01 AM (HVff2)

244 Is there anything I can do to help that along?

I'm a giver, you know.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at June 07, 2013 12:59 PM (sbV1u)

 

Just continue doing what you do.   Our very existence is enough to send Obammy over the edge.   He wants to stamp us out like ants,   but darn it, we just never go away.   

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at June 07, 2013 09:01 AM (4df7R)

245 Ok, I get it, immigration reform. We open our borders and sign you up for email. That is our new defense against terrorists. Anyone else see thee 800 lb gorilla or is it the 400 lb turkey?

Posted by: Liliana at June 07, 2013 09:02 AM (Zx3MS)

246

@ 235 - "aren't we still supporting the Patriot Act ?"

 

I never did to begin with.

Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at June 07, 2013 09:02 AM (YYJjz)

247 Stuffed Owl.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at June 07, 2013 09:02 AM (0HooB)

248 OT. The night stalker died in prison Rot you piece of shit And all those wenches that married your dumbass

Posted by: Navycopjoe at June 07, 2013 09:02 AM (PwTLl)

249 I am going to enjoy Obama speaking more when he's out of office. Kind of like that antisemitic jerk Carter. Then we can just point and laugh at him and all the people who voted for him. Who will be mostly poor, unemployed, without health insurance or being pulled off the respirator by the Death Board.

Posted by: Marcus at June 07, 2013 09:02 AM (GGCsk)

250 @253: NSA Black Ops, man.

Bird is the word....

Posted by: Tex Lovera at June 07, 2013 09:03 AM (wtvvX)

251 Just continue doing what you do. Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at June 07, 2013 01:01 PM (4df7R)

Drinking bourbon drives Obama nuts?

AWESOME!

Moar brown liquor?

Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/u][/s][/b] at June 07, 2013 09:03 AM (sbV1u)

252 Nah, it was weird. I copied and pasted from tinyurl.com and it went nuts. I learned my lesson after one trip from Outlook. Anyone care to enlighten me on what happened there?

Posted by: The Obsidian Owl at June 07, 2013 01:01 PM (tWmgi)

 

When you copied from TinyURL, did you get any of the surrounding web text?   Maybe it brought over that HTML formatting.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at June 07, 2013 09:03 AM (4df7R)

253 Nah, it was weird. I copied and pasted from tinyurl.com and it went nuts. I learned my lesson after one trip from Outlook. Anyone care to enlighten me on what happened there? Hmmm... however you copied it from tinyurl must have picked up the format/style meta-data. Still: safer to drop anything copied/pasted into Notepad (or similar) first, and then copy that and paste it here.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at June 07, 2013 09:03 AM (/PCJa)

254 @ 235 - "aren't we still supporting the Patriot Act ?" I never did to begin with. Me neither.

Posted by: Liliana at June 07, 2013 09:04 AM (Zx3MS)

255

Drinking bourbon drives Obama nuts?



AWESOME!



Moar brown liquor?

 

Posted by: Sean Bannion at June 07, 2013 01:03 PM (sbV1u)

 

 

 

Obama's strictly a beer and/or chablis guy.

 

Down the dark stuff with abandon, my friend!

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at June 07, 2013 09:04 AM (4df7R)

256 I'll be a good boy and go back to the glory hole......

Posted by: occam at June 07, 2013 09:04 AM (Aif/5)

257 Nobody is listening to your telephone calls. You lie.

Posted by: Blacksheep at June 07, 2013 09:04 AM (8/DeP)

258 is it fucking time yet?

Posted by: normal man spitting on his hands at June 07, 2013 09:04 AM (ORvjs)

259 I didn't listen to Oliar earlier....but Megyn just played a clip where he said "this surveillance doesn't apply to people living in the US nor does it apply to US citizens."

Did I hear that right?!

W....T.....F!?

Posted by: Tami[/i][/b][/u][/s] at June 07, 2013 09:04 AM (X6akg)

260 If it hasn't been said, I'll say it. If it has, it's worth repeating: President Petulant Cunt.

Posted by: RoyalOil at June 07, 2013 09:04 AM (VjL9S)

261 See, the thing is, I own the government.  And the only way you'll ever be able to take it back is if you abolish public employee unions.  You're not going to bee able to that, are you?  Because: It's. The. Law.

Posted by: Bronco Bama at June 07, 2013 09:05 AM (hHgxI)

262

I didn't listen to Oliar earlier....but Megyn just played a clip where he said "this surveillance doesn't apply to people living in the US nor does it apply to US citizens."

 

Except that that is EXACTLY to whom it applies, you cocksucking fucking shitstick of a commie    dickbag!

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at June 07, 2013 09:05 AM (4df7R)

263 Sensenbrenner, who pretty much wrote the Patriot Act says this is well beyond its intent, scope and legal devices.

I am gunna state he's a little more up to speed than Obama.

Posted by: Marcus at June 07, 2013 09:05 AM (GGCsk)

264 Posted by: normal man spitting on his hands at June 07, 2013 01:04 PM (ORvjs)

*slides over a K-bar*

Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/u][/s][/b] at June 07, 2013 09:05 AM (sbV1u)

265 "this surveillance doesn't apply to people living in the US nor does it apply to US citizens." So those warrants for all domestic traffic on the Telecoms... those were just some kind of mistake? Because the only people that would affect are "people living in the US" and "US citizens."

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at June 07, 2013 09:06 AM (/PCJa)

266 I am gunna state he's a little more up to speed than Obama.

There isn't a human being in this country who isn't "a little more up to speed than Obama"

Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/u][/s][/b] at June 07, 2013 09:06 AM (sbV1u)

267 > I didn't listen to Oliar earlier....but Megyn just played a clip where he said "this surveillance doesn't apply to people living in the US nor does it apply to US citizens." <

Which is in precise contradiction to everything that's been reported. In detail.

Posted by: Marcus at June 07, 2013 09:06 AM (GGCsk)

268 Hey -- which one of you called me Braaak Hairball Obammer?  I've got a little demon in a cubicle at the IRS waiting for you!

Posted by: Bronco Bama at June 07, 2013 09:07 AM (hHgxI)

269 Check out this chilling comment from the NYT:

I have authored several papers critical of Obama. The last: "Obama and the Destruction of America" (Scribd.com) was released several months ago. During the process my computer was constantly under attack. After completion, the first time I attempted to submit it for review; upon hitting send , the screen went absolutely black. It was three days before I finally got it rebooted. I had learned to save every day's progress on a flash drive because of inexplicable deletions that would occur while the computer was offline. Because of this, I was able to reconstitute the file. I have a spyware search engine that runs constantly. Several days ago it detected over 800. My contact list is being deleted on a daily basis. I have to manually refer to a printed address list in order to communicate. Censorship and suppression of dissent is a primary goal of this administration. And, Yes, I'm with Verizon.

Posted by: Dr. Jane D'oh at June 07, 2013 09:07 AM (lVPtV)

270 You know there is a bright side to the NSA snooping Us democrats are running it and not you evil evil rethugiKKKants Don't H8

Posted by: Navycopjoe at June 07, 2013 09:07 AM (PwTLl)

271 We need to get a Republican, or somebody from any party that isn't a Democrat elected.

Why?

So the LIV & Democrat voters suddenly go apoletic and demand these systems are destroyed so they can't be abused. I'm dealing with two democrats on another forum that are basically like "Well, Congress approved it and they were briefed so its okay", despite the 4th Amendment.

The only way these idiots will realize what they have done is when they feel it isn't 'in' their control.

Posted by: Gaff at June 07, 2013 09:07 AM (jPS2y)

272 That has to be it. And thanks for the Notepad tip, Allen. Me no-likey the Barrel. Allen has saved more than one ass with that suggestion.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 07, 2013 09:08 AM (ix+5k)

273 *adds to collection*

Posted by: normal man spitting on his hands at June 07, 2013 09:08 AM (ORvjs)

274 I so want to watch him completely melt down. Do malignant narcissists have melt-downs? Posted by: Dr. Jane D'oh at June 07, 2013 12:54 PM (lVPtV) If you drive a stake through their ego's, yes. This was interesting, too: President Obama strolled out to the podium today in San Jose, CA and was immediately at a loss for words. Not only did the President not have teleprompter, his aides forgot his speech. “My remarks are not sitting here,” the President declared awkwardly. “I’m uhhh….people….oh goodness….uhhhh...folks are sweating back there right now.” President Obama, who’s often mocked for an over-reliance on scripts, shifted uncomfortably smiling for several moments buying time. An aide sprinted out with a hard copy of the speech, tripping at one point, adding to the drama. foxnews via drudge

Posted by: Ms. Plinkett - Ace's life coach at June 07, 2013 09:08 AM (XYSwB)

275 Old video but terribly applicable even 7 years later: http://tinyurl.com/7f8aebt

**

Not so funneh now is it.



Posted by: dananjcon at June 07, 2013 09:09 AM (jvd3N)

276 If he could be impeached for lying in a speech he never would have made it through his inauguration.

Posted by: Liliana at June 07, 2013 09:09 AM (Zx3MS)

277 So those warrants for all domestic traffic on the Telecoms... those were just some kind of mistake? Because the only people that would affect are "people living in the US" and "US citizens."

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at June 07, 2013 01:06 PM (/PCJa)

 

Not just US citizens, either.  Anyone in this country using domestic telecommunications would be targeted, too.     Meaning Obammy's basically taken out a warrant on every tourist, foreign exchange student, business visitor, and, yes, illegal alien in the entire fucking country.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at June 07, 2013 09:09 AM (4df7R)

278 Frickin' lunch break. Please tell me there is vid of Bumbles O'Stutterfuck messing up his speech!

Posted by: RWC at June 07, 2013 09:09 AM (fWAjv)

279 There isn't a human being in this country who isn't "a little more up to speed than Obama" Joey Choo-Choo.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 07, 2013 09:09 AM (ix+5k)

280 Did Odogeater say he heard about it on the news? Cause its not a full blown Progressive White House defense unless he says that.

Posted by: [/i] An Observation at June 07, 2013 09:10 AM (ylhEn)

281 284. Collection?!!! Dude, slide it this way then, don't bogart I always wanted a ka-bar

Posted by: Navycopjoe at June 07, 2013 09:10 AM (PwTLl)

282 Mindless speculation: What would be the effect, given all that is known now, if it *also* turned out tech-saavy libs, as private individuals, had been doing a little computer monitoring of their own. I'm reminded of how the HuffPo back in 2007 found out the identity of the guy who posted a "1984" spoof of Hillary. What would be the effect?

Posted by: T. at June 07, 2013 09:10 AM (s6XYG)

283 Bwwaahahhhaaaa... Thanks Ms Plinkett I hope that's real.

Posted by: eleven at June 07, 2013 09:11 AM (fsLdt)

284 Us democrats are running it and not you evil evil rethugiKKKants

Don't H8

Posted by: Navycopjoe

I hope you cringed whilst typing that at least.

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at June 07, 2013 09:11 AM (ujux6)

285 >>>OT. The night stalker died in prison

Good, now I can use the moniker exclusively.

http://tinyurl.com/mxzsmu8

Posted by: Valeri Jarrett at June 07, 2013 09:11 AM (jvnuj)

286

Nobody is "listening," but that does not mean every call is not being stored somewhere for possible retrieval later.  

I would bet that is the case.  

Posted by: Beagle at June 07, 2013 09:11 AM (sOtz/)

287 Still no comments from Boehner or Cruz on the PRISM. They must agree with it, or they didn't know.

Posted by: Baldy at June 07, 2013 09:11 AM (tyDFN)

288

@280   I mentioned I was  unable to log into my Twitter account after I set it up  and am  unable to comment at   various other blogs.

 

This is starting to   make sense now.

 

Another thing is,  over at my blog, I can see where other folk  come  from. There are several places that don't have a link to me, but are on that list anyway.

 

I'll bet we're going to be hearing  a lot more of these stories.  And they'll probably all be from conservatives.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at June 07, 2013 09:12 AM (0HooB)

289 I wonder if by now there are even people in his administration who would like to see him brought down-because forgetting his speech sounds like a rather important thing.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 07, 2013 09:12 AM (iwHSQ)

290 Now that my very important french fries have been eaten (sadly not Fries of Oppression though), I shall natter away at differences in kind. As I am certain that Allen and MWR have been pointing out, there are fundamental differences between foreigners, foreign nationals living in the US legally, foreign nationals living in the US illegally and American citizens. Under a sane Constitutional analysis, which I admit is totally lacking in modern jurisprudence, foreigners have no Constitutional rights, foreign nationals in the US legally have nearly all Constitutional rights, foreign nationals living in the US illegally may have some Constitutional rights and American citizens have full Constitutional rights. A significant problem with mass data mining is that you must, necessarily, ignore the Fourth Amendment in order to collect the data. Either you claim that electronic information does not fall within the ambit of "papers", a position which I find highly dubious, or you claim that it's not an actual search just to grab it since no one is looking at it. That is ludicrous. It is the act of taking the data itself that is troubling. What is done with it afterwards may be more so but the gathering itself must pass Constitutional muster, at least when discussing American citizens.
These attempts to claim that collecting the data is Constitutional since nothing is done with it attempts to ignore the differences in kind between the rights of those whose information it is. That, of course, takes us back to the "papers" argument that I am setting aside for the moment. I would agree that NSA has a nearly unfettered right to collect, read and analyze the information for non-citizens. NSA has no right whatsoever to do so for an American citizen without a warrant. Why? Because the Fourth Amendment so states. To say that we will gather the data and then place it in piles to make a 51% analysis of the rights of the person whose data it is ignores that you must make that determination first. Let's pull it out of the technological realm. There is a difference in kind between a police officer who is investigating a crime who goes to a house and sees a door. If that door is open? Then the officer may enter and look around and may be able to use evidence s/he sees in the open. If that door is closed? Then the officer must get a warrant before looking around. The NSA defenders appear to be claiming that mere use of technology is in and of itself an open door. At least, they must be because otherwise they are refusing to acknowledge that such a difference even exists. This is the technological equivalent of the officer kicking the door in and then saying "Well, Your Honor, the door was open." No. No, it was not. Such claims have been soundly rejected in the past. Such claims should be rejected now. To the argument that the warrant cannot be obtained without reviewing that information first, I say too bad, so sad. Yes, this makes your job harder. Yes, it increases risk. Yes, it means that bad people can do bad things without being caught in the planning stages. But if we throw away the notion that citizenship carries with it rights and that I, as an individual, am a free person who has the right to live her life in private, then there's nothing left that needs to be saved.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Mmmm. Blondies with whipped cream. at June 07, 2013 09:12 AM (VtjlW)

291 Double negative: I bet every call is being stored for future use.  

Posted by: Beagle at June 07, 2013 09:12 AM (sOtz/)

292 295. Actually I threw up in my mouth alittle

Posted by: Navycopjoe at June 07, 2013 09:12 AM (PwTLl)

293 Not just US citizens, either. Anyone in this country using domestic telecommunications would be targeted, too. Meaning Obammy's basically taken out a warrant on every tourist, foreign exchange student, business visitor, and, yes, illegal alien in the entire fucking country. Exactly. I'll say it 'til I'm blue in the face if I have to: A warrant is the court saying, "We believe you're guilty, we just need X, Y, and Z to prove it." For the US Government to seek (and a judge to issue) a warrant against every person living or even merely traveling in the United States is a breech which may be completely irreparable. What would we say if we had documented and definitive proof that, for instance, Iran was doing the same thing to its citizens? Venezuela?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at June 07, 2013 09:12 AM (/PCJa)

294 My contact list is being deleted on a daily basis. I have to manually refer to a printed address list in order to communicate. Censorship and suppression of dissent is a primary goal of this administration. And, Yes, I'm with Verizon. Posted by: Dr. Jane D'oh at June 07, 2013 01:07 PM (lVPtV) Rush called the obama administration a "coup" today. Sure sounds like it. This person (and all people who write negatively about JEF) should have one computer NOT connected to the web, nor wireless. Keep it offline while working, then send it out when finished.

Posted by: Ms. Plinkett - Ace's life coach at June 07, 2013 09:12 AM (XYSwB)

295 Did anyone expect anything different than this from Obama?
He doesn't give a sh*t about critics, so just STFU already.

Posted by: Lizzy at June 07, 2013 09:13 AM (jvnuj)

296 Meaning Obammy's basically taken out a warrant on every tourist, foreign exchange student, business visitor, and, yes, illegal alien in the entire fucking country. Well, that's one way to get wetbacks to self deport.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 07, 2013 09:13 AM (ix+5k)

297

Fine

 

Don't thank me, thank Bannion.

 

*slides*

Posted by: normal man spitting on his hands at June 07, 2013 09:13 AM (ORvjs)

298 When Obama finally cracks, it will be a beautiful thing. When it happens, I hope and pray that there is a memorable catchphrase that comes out of it to rub in the faces if the Obots.

Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at June 07, 2013 09:13 AM (V3kRK)

299 Ok, I found the quote:


Obama said he came into office with a "healthy skepticism" about the surveillance programs, but came to believe the "modest encroachments on privacy" are warranted.

"They make a difference in our capacity to anticipate and prevent possible terrorist activity," he said.

The government's Internet monitoring program does not apply to U.S. citizens or residents, he said.


http://tinyurl.com/k69ukud

Posted by: Tami[/i][/b][/u][/s] at June 07, 2013 09:13 AM (X6akg)

300 Posted by: Ms. Plinkett - Ace's life coach at June 07, 2013 01:08 PM (XYSwB)

------

Metaphor for his entire Presidency.

Posted by: fixerupper at June 07, 2013 09:14 AM (nELVU)

301 Still no comments from Boehner or Cruz on the PRISM. They must agree with it, or they didn't know.

Posted by: Baldy at June 07, 2013 01:11 PM (tyDFN)

 

I'm not one to generally defend Boehner, but I actually don't want the Pubbies making a direct statement on this yet.   Like I mentioned above, this isn't    a   partisan problem -- this is a problem that goes to the very heart of America's civil liberties.     If the Republicans    were to come out with a statement then that's all Obammy and his minions in the MFM would need to turn this into another alleged "GOP witchhunt."

 

No.   Let it fester for a while.   Let the MFM continue to question, and let Obammy and his coterie of hags and eunuchs try to defend.  

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/b][/u][/i] at June 07, 2013 09:14 AM (4df7R)

302 301. Fries before law review I approve

Posted by: Navycopjoe at June 07, 2013 09:15 AM (PwTLl)

303 308. Heh Joe with a large knife What could go wrong?

Posted by: Navycopjoe at June 07, 2013 09:16 AM (PwTLl)

304 this is a problem that goes to the very heart of America's civil liberties. If the Republicans were to come out with a statement then that's all Obammy and his minions in the MFM would need to turn this into another alleged "GOP witchhunt."

No. Let it fester for a while. Let the MFM continue to question, and let Obammy and his coterie of hags and eunuchs try to defend.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at June 07, 2013 01:14 PM (4df7R)



Speakin' of which, has the ACLU anything to say?

Posted by: Tami[/i][/b][/u][/s] at June 07, 2013 09:16 AM (X6akg)

305 Fries before law review Dang. Now I'm hungry. And Fries are totally not in my meal plan (I've gained back about 30 of ~80 pounds I lost a couple years ago. I want to get rid of them again).

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at June 07, 2013 09:16 AM (/PCJa)

306 I wonder what the President meant when he said, "I don't want the whole day to be a bleeding press conference."  I guess he knows this is going to draw blood. 

Posted by: no good deed at June 07, 2013 09:17 AM (mjR67)

307 When it happens, I hope and pray that there is a memorable catchphrase that comes out of it to rub in the faces if the Obots. Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at June 07, 2013 01:13 PM (V3kRK)

Ahh, but the strawberries that's... that's where I had them. They laughed at me and made jokes but I proved beyond the shadow of a doubt and with... geometric logic... that a duplicate key to the Oval Officer refrigerator DID exist, and I'd have produced that key if they hadn't of pulled me out of action. I, I, I know now they were only trying to protect some fellow staffers...

Posted by: Barack Queeg Obama[/i][/u][/s][/b] at June 07, 2013 09:17 AM (sbV1u)

308 I'd love to be a fly on the wall when Obama starts lecturing the Chinese dictator on spying. Should be a hoot.

Posted by: JackStraw at June 07, 2013 09:17 AM (g1DWB)

309 nood

Posted by: Tami[/i][/b][/u][/s] at June 07, 2013 09:17 AM (X6akg)

310 Carter Hull is retiring. Get that man under oath.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at June 07, 2013 09:17 AM (ZPrif)

311 Posted by: Ms. Plinkett - Ace's life coach at June 07, 2013 01:08 PM (XYSwB) Video - PEOPLE!!! Where are my remarks!! (and his aid tripped as well.) http://tinyurl.com/o33h4lo

Posted by: RWC at June 07, 2013 09:18 AM (fWAjv)

312 "They make a difference in our capacity to anticipate and prevent possible terrorist activity," he said. Boston Marathon. Someone didn't get the memo.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 07, 2013 09:18 AM (ix+5k)

313 http://freebeacon.com/obama-calls-out-staff-remarks-not-on-podium/ ahahaha here's the video of the Bum in Chief w/o notes or teleprompter

Posted by: Ms. Plinkett - Ace's life coach at June 07, 2013 09:19 AM (XYSwB)

314

Par-a-noia strikes deep,

Into your heart it will creep,

It starts when you're always afraid,

step outta line, the man come, and

take you away

Posted by: normal man spitting on his hands at June 07, 2013 09:20 AM (ORvjs)

315 316. Give all them lbs to my bony body The tapeworm from hell keeps me skinny (Or it could be T's nasty cooking)

Posted by: Navycopjoe at June 07, 2013 09:20 AM (PwTLl)

316 I wonder what the President meant when he said, "I don't want the whole day to be a bleeding press conference." I mean: who are you to ask me questions? Fore!

Posted by: Baraka Hussein I at June 07, 2013 09:20 AM (FcR7P)

317

"@ 235 - "aren't we still supporting the Patriot Act ?"

 

What is it with these people believing  that Morons support every last thing DC Republicans say, do, and pass? 

 

Patriot was a  dangerous pile of shit from day 1 as was the formation of DHS, TSA, and other reactionary statist crap that came along post 9/11.  Most thinking conservatives and small-l libertarians  who  vote for the GOP as the lesser of two evils  fucking said so all along.

Posted by: Jaws at June 07, 2013 09:21 AM (4I3Uo)

318 What is it with these people believing that Morons support every last thing DC Republicans say, do, and pass?

It's a troll.  It's just here to fling shit.

He doesn't actually believe anything he says.

Fen's Law in action.

Posted by: Sean Bannion[/i][/u][/s][/b] at June 07, 2013 09:22 AM (sbV1u)

319 Posted by: Barack Queeg Obama at June 07, 2013 01:17 PM (sbV1u) Yep. "Strawberries" and "geometric logic" was exactly what I was thinking. When I was in high school, a guy a year ahead of us who had had enough of his buddy's messing with him one day blew up with "Leave me alone. Leave me ALONE! LEAVE ME ALONE!" one day. He never lived that down. A classmate of mine said that came up at a reunion over twenty years later.

Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at June 07, 2013 09:23 AM (V3kRK)

320 For your mid-morning entertainment.... My as-usual amateurish attempt at an Obama poster.

pic.twitter.com/q3pPv6JhWx


Posted by: jwpaine @PirateBallerina at June 07, 2013 09:23 AM (/lWM8)

321

"this surveillance doesn't apply to people living in the US nor does it apply to US citizens."

 

These aren't the droids you're looking for, cracker.


Posted by: Jaws at June 07, 2013 09:24 AM (4I3Uo)

322 Those goddamned lone wolves over at NSA. They're almost as bad as the ones at IRS...or EPA...or CMS...or...

Posted by: [/i][/b]akula_51 at June 07, 2013 09:27 AM (Vgn84)

323 Except that that is EXACTLY to whom it applies, you cocksucking fucking shitstick of a commie dickbag!

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at June 07, 2013 01:05 PM (4df7R)

Pitter-pat goes my heart.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, The Colossus of Independence at June 07, 2013 09:30 AM (fwARV)

324 House member Jim Sensenbrenner, who describes himself as the author of the Patriot Act, says "this is bullshit!". Well, OK, maybe he said something less emphatic but I thinking captured his sentiments pretty closely. http://1.usa.gov/ZT5ako

Posted by: MTF at June 07, 2013 09:31 AM (+GpbP)

325

301  Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Mmmm. Blondies with whipped cream. at June 07, 2013 01:12 PM (VtjlW)

 

Do we agree that the government has the right to look into these electronic records with a warrant? 

 

If so, in each specific case, they could obtain a warrant to search each of the individual carrier's data bases for the information.  However, it would be much more efficient to have all the carrier's data in one system for immediate and thorough searches.

 

I agree that allowing the NSA or anyone in the government to preposition this data in a easily accessed system is a receipe for abuse, but I also recognize how this could be used for actual counter terrorism if we had any competent people to use it.

 

This isn't as easy a call for me as it is for others here.

Posted by: jwest at June 07, 2013 09:33 AM (u2a4R)

326 @336: The Constitution does not exist for law enforcement's convenience or efficiency.  It's rather closer to the opposite, and that's frankly the way it should be.

Posted by: Ian S. at June 07, 2013 09:37 AM (B/VB5)

327 Our official explanation may sound a little familiar to you, but I'll give it a spin throuh this neighborhood and see how it rides: "Have no concerns, America, because while it is true the NSA has copies of your credit card charges, porn pages viewed, emails, phone calls and cat videos, you should know that no one at NSA is aware of what they were looking at. Yes, I'm saying nobody was paying attention: We are all, collectively, unaware of the contents of the material captured and forwarded to our attention. There is just so much of it that we ignore it". So, whaddayou think? Sound good?

Posted by: President For Life Obama at June 07, 2013 09:39 AM (+GpbP)

328

337 @336: The Constitution does not exist for law enforcement's convenience or efficiency.

 

Very true, however, I've watch enough of Jack Bauer getting the blueprints to random old buildings and the sewer system below it with minutes to know the government needs data quickly in an emergency.

Posted by: jwest at June 07, 2013 09:40 AM (u2a4R)

329 "... I'm reminded of how the HuffPo back in 2007 found out the identity of the guy who posted a "1984" spoof of Hillary."

Posted by: T. at June 07, 2013 01:10 PM (s6XYG)

 

Multibillion-dollar NSA surveillance capabilities aren't required to track down the maker of a one-off Hillary spoof. One can find out the identity of just about any online anonymous user given time, patience, determination, and a few basic, browser-based tools.

Posted by: troyriser at June 07, 2013 09:45 AM (vtiE6)

330 337 @336: The Constitution does not exist for law enforcement's convenience or efficiency. It's rather closer to the opposite, and that's frankly the way it should be.

****

This.

Posted by: B at June 07, 2013 09:50 AM (VC56G)

331 18 Affirmative Action has consequences.

Posted by: garrett at June 07, 2013 12:22 PM (deh5N)

_______________________  

 

And they're never good.

Posted by: enraged citizen at June 07, 2013 09:54 AM (/sohm)

332 When I was in high school, a guy a year ahead of us who had had enough of his buddy's messing with him one day blew up with "Leave me alone. Leave me ALONE! LEAVE ME ALONE!" one day.

He never lived that down. A classmate of mine said that came up at a reunion over twenty years later.

I'm a little confused - what exactly did he have to live down? Would he have been better off punching the guy's lights out - or was he supposed to just sit there and take shit forever?

Oh, but then I guess that the socially adept way of handling it would have involved being an even bigger turd back to his tormentor - but doing it quietly so that other people wouldn't notice.

Sorry about that - being of limited social skills - I just keep noticing that so much of what passes as social skills in society is just learning how to be a bullying turd. Or am I not supposed to point that out because it makes all the bullying turds of the world uncomfortable?




Posted by: [/i] An Observation at June 07, 2013 09:58 AM (ylhEn)

333 I'm a little confused - what exactly did he have to live down? Would he have been better off punching the guy's lights out - or was he supposed to just sit there and take shit forever? It was the unfortunate way that it came out. He could have knocked his buddy's lights out. He could have just said something like, "Back the fuck off, man!" The crazy thing is that these two guys were best buds from early childhood. This was rare because we were going to a DoDDS high school overseas, and the cast of characters changed every year. Both kids' fathers were civilians working for the Army.

Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at June 07, 2013 11:32 AM (V3kRK)

334 Posted by: An Observation at June 07, 2013 01:58 PM (ylhEn) Oh. And to your broader point: If we are blessed with a public meltdown of that sack of shit, I will be a relentlessly bullying turd to Obots. You can take that to the bank.

Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at June 07, 2013 11:34 AM (V3kRK)

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