Great

Defund the fucking Secret Service and let them check white grannies at the airport

Obama's new theme song: It Wasn't Me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2g5Hz17C4is

See?  This supports my contention that I am not responsible for those stains on that blue dress.

The unserious man in the serious job.

"But he's historic!"

Oh yeah, he'll be historic - but not in quite the manner his fans and toadies anticipate.

“This was not a decision that went up to the White House,” noted Obama in an ABC News interview aired on Wednesday, saying the directive came from the Secret Service.

So let me get this straight.       The decision to cancel tours of the White House was not a decision that involved the White    House.

Got it.

I tried that excuse when I was five and it didn't work.  Really reassuring that our 50-year old SCOAMF is using it to explain his entire presidency.

Shit a 5-year old knows doesn't work.

Posted by: Berserker at March 13, 2013 11:09 AM (FMbng)

Ssshh....Soothsayer hates fucking monkeys.

I hope somebody on the right is taking notes for the next Pubbie prez.

"Excuse me, but you, Mr./Ms. Talking Reporter Head,  you    seem so intent upon blaming this president for (insert false outrage here) when, on this date, former president Obama did  this (insert genuine outrage here).

Where was your concern then?  And why is this president held to a  much different standard?

I'm sure the American people are interested in your explanation."

I said this on the News Dump thread, but I'll say it again:  

Plausible deniability through professed ignorance is this    "administration's" go-to excuse.   "Something bad happened?   I didn't know about it."  

"Our guys in Benghazi didn't have enough security?  Didn't know about it."

"ATF was    forcing   gun sellers to sell to Mexican cartel straw purchasers?   Didn't know about it."

"Joe Biden's a fucking Weeble       with dementia    and hair plugs?   Didn't know about it."

Posted by: NR Pax at March 13, 2013 11:17 AM (1ml8s

The staff can't keep up with the hair removal.  Mooch sheds a lot this time of year.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Pirate Scum of Umbar at March 13, 2013 11:08 AM (hLRSq)

What're the odds that textbooks and     other    media of the future will feature   "lightened up" images of the First Black President?   Just like the MFM lightened up pictures of Trayvon to make him seem less like a punk,     history will "lighten up" pictures of Obammy to make him   look    whiter.      Because it would be unseemly for the Mocha Messiah to be associated with the record for Worst American President In the History Of    Everything Ever.

All this has happened because Bush lied to Presdent Obama about how bad it really was back in 2007.  We blame Bush because he never did anything to help this Cuntry. Wake up peopople and look at the mirror...It is Bush's Ugly Puss you see in the mirror of problems lefty for are Presdent of Color.

Because it would be unseemly for the Mocha Messiah to be associated with the record for Worst American President In the History Of Everything Ever.

FDR, Johnson, Nixon,  Cahtah, Cliton,  and now TFG.

We sure know how to pick 'em, don't we?

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at March 13, 2013 11:20 AM (VtjlW)

You only say that because he's black!

Posted by: 80sBaby at March 13, 2013 11:24 AM (YjDyJ)

And let's not forget,   Obama had   no idea that his own staff were threatening Woodward and other    members of the media for writing unflattering stories about his administration.   He    was utterly blameless in that.    Why, if he'd known he'd never have let it happen!   

Oh, and if Stalin had    known about the gulags, he'd have put a stop to them,too.

63My sister and I are talking now, but only non-political subjects. She did e-mail me this morning that one of her friend's health insurance has skyrocketed and she can't understand why.

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I can imagine your daddy saying some variant of this to you

Buford T. Justice: [to his son] There's no way, *no* way that you came from *my* loins. Soon as I get home, first thing I'm gonna do is punch yo mamma in da mouth!

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at March 13, 2013 11:17 AM (4df7R)

I've been saying all along that the Repubs blew their chance...

Its a very simple thing to ask an 'official'... Either you knew about this, and are telling lies to us, or you SHOULD have known and were not an effective Supervisor, and now, knowing that we would be asking about this, should know NOW about this subject... and if not, do not feel accountable for this.... and in all three cases, you are not fit to hold this positition.

I'm sure the American people are interested in your explanation."

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WE ask the questions around here mister. We answer nuthin to nobody

Posted by: Tami at March 13, 2013 11:32 AM (X6akg)

LOL!

Posted by: Pug Mahon, Assault CAD Monkey at March 13, 2013 11:33 AM (K+mtQ

Yep.  TFG knows his history and stuff.

I recall his horrendous misquote of Harry Truman's most famous desk sign, "the...uh... buck stops with you."

Corpseman.

Nice post, Laura.

It goes beyond the worship of  TFG, although most of it is related directly to him.

Any news story now must contain a paragraph to explain how it advances The Narrative. Has anyone read an article about the weather recently where there is a storm, and there is not a paragraph toward the end somehow linking it to global warming? Or a shooting that doesn't link to gun control?

Posted by: WalrusRex at March 13, 2013 11:34 AM (Hx5uv)

He's also aware of which teams     are   best situated to make the Final Four during March Madness.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 13, 2013 11:35 AM (UOM4

Too little, too late.

“A teacher reported hearing a clicking motion, and thought a student may have had a gun,” DeRuosi said when reached by phone Monday. “(Police) then found a water gun in the general vicinity.”

"It's the major press, of course, constantly reframing everything and keeping Obama's own actions from tainting his record."

Don't forget a spineless, bought off, lazy, ineffectual GOP; I hold them just as - if not more so - responsible for nothing ever being this coke-snorting, feculent pustule's fault.

If Barky had to face the kind of opposition Dubya had to, he'd be standing on the roof of the White House screaming about the bugs crawling over his skin.

I'm thinking LIVers really do think giving good speech is leadership. Of course, they are the same people who think spewing their emo bullshit into the public arena is the height of moral behavior.

I propose a new word for this definition of leadership: Leadershit.

Posted by: Dave in Texas at March 13, 2013 11:36 AM (WvXvd)

Ah, that was a great day.   Obama wandering around the outside of the White House, trying to get inside.      It was   like candy.

52% of the country celebrates this asshole's record of non-accomplishment.  Because having a black president makes them feel good.

dimittes eam et adolebit

Also,

i similis magna ubera

Posted by: dfbaskwill at March 13, 2013 11:01 AM (71LDo)

Now on Bishop Hill and WUWT. The hacker himself says no bombshells that he could see, just the usual mendacity. Oh, and the fresh warmista meme is that the hacker is in it for the money.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 13, 2013 11:39 AM (UOM4

Running in   heels, etc.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 13, 2013 11:39 AM (UOM4

  What a glorious day that would be.... It's the little things in life...

Makes me question this whole "oh, the military would be on our side if things went to shit!" idea.

Posted by: Gaff at March 13, 2013 11:25 AM (jPS2y)

The military has had more than a Generation (started in the mid 80's) of Politicaly Correct Indoctrination.  You either toe the PC Line, in Speech and Action, or your career is ruined quickly.... you are literaly weeded out.

I have no qualms about who the majority of Enlisted Folks will want to side with.... its the Officer Class that I worry about.... and the Military does Program you into following orders (even though they pay lip service to the idea you don't follow an illegal order, the baseline is to always follow orders).

Remember when Choom Boy hit his head on the door of Marine One? Good times.

Remember when the Preezy's limo got hung up on a speedbump at Heathrow Airport?  

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at March 13, 2013

  Yeah, with Moooch in the back...11:42 AM (4df7R)

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at March 13, 2013 11:42 AM (4df7R

Mooch was in the limo, right? 

::::The Sphinx: Your temper is very quick, my friend. But until you learn to master your rage...
Mr. Furious: ...your rage will become your master? That's what you were going to say. Right? Right?
The Sphinx: Not necessarily. ::::

Mr. Furious:  Ok, but why do I have these watermelons on my feet?

The Sphinx:  I don't recall telling you to do that.

Love that movie.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 13, 2013 11:43 AM (UOM4

Mooch?  Oh, you mean Fatass Wookie.    Yes.  Yes, she was.

"The Secret Service says the White House made the decision to cancel the tours. The White House says it was the Secret Service's idea first."

Wow, this sounds like Benghazi and who made the decision to blame the video.

Well, to quote Hillary Clinton "What difference does it make??" Just get the damn tours started again. 

dimittes eam et adolebit (Let it Burn)

Also,

i similis magna ubera (I like big tits)

"I supported legislation    that would allow babies born alive after an abortion to be left to die in    broom closets?    

Wasn't me."

-Pharaoh Barackanattan

I don't speak Spanish

Type of weasel.

::::About 2 weeks before the election she told me Obama was a horrible President but that she rather be "financially broke" then "morally broke" and would vote for Obama again. I flipped out. I couldn't believe it. Our friendship ended that day. The only libs I deal with now are family and I make sure never to bring politics up with them.::::

Good riddance.  She voted Democrat  because on the off chance you knocked  her up, she wanted to preserve the option to kill your unborn child.   Nothing else matters.

86 Are they satirizing Family Circus, or Nietzsche?

Yes.

Posted by: d at March 13, 2013 11:49 AM (V951O)

  Where are my scooby snacks.... Barackdoo

The Russian publication RIA Novosti says the Ukrainian dolphin program is two-fold: training the dolphins to detect and mark mines and equipping them with weapons to attack enemy human swimmers who may pose a threat to Ukrainian naval vessels.

Detect and mark mines, okay.

Knifing enemy swimmers?   Um... yeah.  I kind of don't think so.   Anyway, if a dolphin wanted to kill somebody they could just hump them to death. 

If you're going to make up stories, Ria Novosti, you're supposed to replace the knives and guns strapped to their heads with laser beams.   Okay?   Sheesh.  Frigging foreigners.

Posted by: lauraw at March 13, 2013 11:50 AM (dwEPG):::

That's ridiculous.  Black people can't swim. 

"President Obama said his administration was looking at ways to resume White House tours for school groups"

Maybe they should tackle something easy like Middle East peace before trying to crack THAT tough nut.

i similis magna ubera (I like big tits)

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If i had a nickel for every time i heard that at the conclave...

Posted by: AuthorLMendez at March 13, 2013 11:51 AM (yAor6):::

Forget her.  That  ain't the marryin' kind, young man.  You just stick with me.  We put a man on the moon - we can damn sure put a woman on you. 

101 By the way, what's stopping NRO and other sites from building in their own "tinyurl" redirect?

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Plus, they could add popups and CPU-sucking scripts. Clearly, the possibilities simply haven't occurred to them.

That's ridiculous. Black people can't swim.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at March 13, 2013 11:52 AM (CJjw5)

Which is the ONLY reason    Obammy hasn't eclipsed Michael Phelps' record of gold medals won in swimming events at the summer     Olympics.

Been stuck in the spam filter all morning...

Love your hump, LauraW.

Way, way O/T, but worth a chuckle:

Tickle, star  of Moonshiners, arrested for...

...wait for it...

...public intoxication.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at March 13, 2013 11:54 AM (CJjw5)

Probably cost about the same.

training the dolphins to detect and mark mines and equipping them with weapons to attack enemy human swimmers who may pose a threat to Ukrainian naval vessels.

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This i why i never swim with Dan Marino

We put a man on the moon - we can damn sure put a woman on you.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at March 13, 2013 11:56 AM (da5Wo)

But would the odds be the same for premature detonation on the launch pad?

"We put a man on the moon - we can damn sure put a woman on you."

I'm interested in your program provided it has no more than 3 Steps.  I'm not down with those 12 Step programs.  Too much lead time.

"We put a man on the moon - we can damn sure put a woman on you."

And failure is not an option!

>>Is that as disgusting as the barrel?<<

The Spam Filter has a grease trap (though I don't think Pixxy has cleaned it out in quite some time).

 The barrel, not so much.

Here is some humor from my local paper comments section. Hilarious that these people still have Bush derangement syndrome. This is from the comments on an article about the deficit:

It's a matter of fact that we had a budget surplus until Bush took office. It's inconvenient that you don't like that fact but it doesn't cease to make it so.

We shouldn't forget that Bush was an absolute unmitigated disaster as a president. A m.o.r.o.n. of the lowest order. He allowed us to be attacked. Allowed his venal Vice President to take over and destroyed civil liberties at home, started two ridiculous wars, got us into debt and precipitated a major financial collapse, allowed a major US city to be destroyed with barely a smirk and a shrug.

What more do you want? The. Worst. President. Ever. Horrible. A disaster. Incompetency to the point of evil. A monster with the face of a smirking chimp. A killer clown. Awful. Rubbish. Human garbage.

Forget her. That ain't the marryin' kind, young man. You just stick with me. We put a man on the moon - we can damn sure put a woman on you.

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From Tang to Poontang

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at March 13, 2013 11:57 AM (4df7R)

Well, the first few attempts might fall flat, but stick it out and eventually we'll get one up there.

I have on Sheila Jackson Lee's authority that we put a man on Mars

I have it on Roseann Barr's authority that we never actually put a man on the moon

I promise we will not put you on Sheila Jackson Lee or Roseann Barr

Which is the ONLY reason Obammy hasn't eclipsed Michael Phelps' record of gold medals won in swimming events at the summer Olympics.

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Proof that water is racist

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at March 13, 2013 11:59 AM (SO2Q

LOL!

Posted by: Assault Citizen Anachronda at March 13, 2013 11:54 AM (xGZ+b)

Sarcasm?

Anyways, all they'd need to do is generate a random hash every time they publish a story or blog post and store it in the same table as the article record:

articleID | tinyHash
213450 | UypUQ21

And then setup a domain to redirect to the full link:

http://nro.com/UypUQ21

[/boredAtWork]

"We put a man on the moon - we can damn sure put a woman on you."

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But re-entry will only last for four minutes and you may catch fire

It has become reflex now to look for the excuse or fall guy in every news story about this administration's dysfunction.

As long as the fall guy is the MSM it's all good.

Posted by: The Jackhole at March 13, 2013 11:59 AM (nTgAI)

Wow, this person turned right around from insulting Bush to writing a   pitch perfect (if somewhat racist) description of the current Preezy?   Bravo!

232....Truly a feat of psychological programming.

Posted by: lauraw at March 13, 2013 11:54 AM (dwEPG)

Well put.

That's exactly what it is...long-term psychological programming to get people to vote en masse, for their own destruction.

to quote Snoop Dog, you cannot "wife" a "ho", to wit

“He shouldn’t have tried to wife that b****, man. She’s not that type of a h*. She gets around, man.”

In Snoop’s view, Kardashian being a “ho” doomed the business arrangement, sorry, marriage from the start. And the rapper hadn’t finished there with his opinions of the reality TV star who he’d never met:

“She’s cold-blooded. I’m pretty sure she’ll have a book in a month talking about all the n****s she got and how she played ‘em. [...] So my advice is, look, you can’t make a h* a housewife. Don’t try to reinvent the wheel. Let her do what she was born to do. H*.”

190 I just went and fixed myself a sammich. The brand of bread I used? Bimbo. No shit.

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I occasionally see big Bimbo trucks as I'm driving through Vegas. I figure they must be restocking the strippers.

"We put a man on the moon - we can damn sure put a woman on you."

You, sir, are a steely-eyed missile man.

From the sidebar, naval experts are starting to catch up to me on policy. 

"In my view, unmanned aviation will create a new golden age of aircraft carriers. In fact, the day is fast coming when we design a carrier from the keel up to launch and recover primarily unmanned aircraft. When a UCAV returns from its mission, it will recover, be re-armed, refueled, re-greased, and re-missioned on an assembly line that will enable high sortie rates even with the extended range of the missions they will fly."

The F-35 is a waste of money and any program advocating manned aircraft is a throwback to horseback cavalry charges.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet is no longer shamelessly hawking his book Amy Lynn available on amazon. at March 13, 2013 12:05 PM (l86i3)

If the Conclave results in a    black Pope, what're the odds some dipshit American rapper will complain that he's not "gangsta" enough?

Its not my fault Austrians call their language German and not Austrian.  How stupid is that?

My sister and I are talking now, but only non-political subjects. She did e-mail me this morning that one of her friend's health insurance has skyrocketed and she can't understand why.

Jane D'oh, take a deep breath, a sip of gin and tonic and then gently explain that  it's a feature not a bug.

My sister and I are talking now, but only non-political subjects. She did e-mail me this morning that one of her friend's health insurance has skyrocketed and she can't understand why.

Posted by: Decaf at March 13, 2013 12:08 PM (aqwxP)

I'd just tell her we all have to pay our fair share.

281 -

Hmmm, I'm going to type some words I thought I would never use in my lifetime:  I agree with Snoop Dog. 

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at March 13, 2013 12:09 PM (7ObY1)

Also why the Dalai Lama gets to leave via the back door    by    the dumpster.

Barry to dine with first black Miss Israel:

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 13, 2013

Palestinian sympatizers and anti-zionist activists to scream about war crimes and genocide   in 5...4...

Obama to cancel dinner with Miss Israel in 3... 2...

Posted by: tina at March 13, 2013 11:09 AM (Z5kvH)

Poor BO is gonna get the "Socks the Cat" treatment. A big production done by the media over getting the pet, then when the family moves out of the WH, the animal will be pawned off on some staffer that really doesn't give a shit about it.

Socks did do better than Buddy, the Clinton's dog that got the "Treacher Treatment" when he tried to get the hell away from them.

The F-35 is a waste of money and any program advocating manned aircraft is a throwback to horseback cavalry charges.

Absolutely.   Look at the civil aviation sector.  Why, airline  seats would be dirt cheap if we didn't have to pay those pilots.  I'm sure you'll be first in  line to buy a ticket on a flight that will be flown remotely by a vo-tech graduate who has porn open in another browser tab as you wing your way toward Schenectady.

Let me know how that works out.

Posted by: Jones in CO at March 13, 2013 12:14 PM (8sCoq

Isn't March Madness like rape or something?

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at March 13, 2013 12:14 PM (SO2Q

And then we'll hear screaming and wailing when they crash into populated areas. Then spend a couple trillion transitioning back to regular aircraft.....

Hmmm, I'm going to type some words I thoughtI would never use in my lifetime: I agree with Snoop Dog.

Amazing, isn't it?  Snoop Dog, conscience of the left.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at March 13, 2013 12:10 PM (4OvDk)

I would much rather have a team of 5 in each cockpit with full situational awareness, no fear and sipping lattes while taking 9 G turns that would suck the eyeballs out of a pilot, than what we have now.  If we suffer a 10 millsecond delay, so be it.

>> "We put a man on the moon - we can damn sure put a woman on you."

Maybe. The contract is going to be awarded on a "Lowest Cost, Technically Acceptable" basis.

Snoop recently told a radio station that a little sticky icky would adjust Obama's attitude:

We get that understanding that this is what needs to happen in order to make the world go 'round.

he also said he would like to smoke with Bill Clinton.  Since he can inhale now.

No...that's not a bloody hammer in my hand. ...And no, that's not a dead body.

Posted by: jwest at March 13, 2013 12:18 PM (u2a4R)

Yeah, that sounds just like reality.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 13, 2013 12:20 PM (UOM4

If it were Mr. Israel she would be jealous but she knows that Barry has no interest in Miss Israel

Posted by: BCochran1981 at March 13, 2013 12:20 PM (da5Wo)

What is unrealistic about that?

Posted by: jwest at March 13, 2013 12:23 PM (u2a4R)

I refer you to the gentleman from Texas.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 13, 2013 12:24 PM (1Jaio

THREAD WINNER. 

Posted by: thunderb at March 13, 2013 12:05 PM (Dnbau)

There's truth in those words. Just think about Katy Perry, everyone that goes in now is just following Russel Brand.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 13, 2013 12:24 PM (1Jaio)

STOLEN

I wonder who cuts Obama's meat for him?

The same person who chews it for him would be  my guess.

:::I would much rather have a team of 5 in each cockpit
with full situational awareness, no fear and sipping lattes while
taking 9 G turns that would suck the eyeballs out of a pilot, than what
we have now. If we suffer a 10 millsecond delay, so be it.:::

Dude, you obviously don't understand much about piloting  or  situational awareness.  And F-16 pilots routinely pull 9G turns.  Routinely.  If they felt fear  in flight, they wouldn't be combat pilots. 

Posted by: beach at March 13, 2013 12:29 PM (XYSwB)

Imagine Mooch trying to get through a debate without turning into Aunt Esther with PMS and an anal fistula.  She'd make Joe Biden look like Churchill.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at March 13, 2013 12:23 PM (4OvDk)

I'm assuming a switch to unmanned aircraft would coincide with a policy of redundant communications - not relying totally on the pair of Radio Shack walkie talkies for the full data flow.

Also, that fraction of a second delay may kill the lead UAV, but the crew will simply push a button and be in control of the next one in line, then the next after that.  All of that while maintaining situational awareness. 

Data overload is one of the biggest problems facing old time fighter pilots.  With enough people handling separate areas, the problem is solved.

Posted by: jwest at March 13, 2013 12:06 PM (u2a4R)

And drones are great against the Third World... but agianst a First Rate Military with any type of adequate EW capability???  Broadband jamming is pretty easy with sufficient power.... and all you need to do is point it at the satelite... ie, you can do it from your home country if we are projecting power...

And then add in the Transmission Lag of Drone to Sat, to ground station for sensor data.... then ground station to Sat back to drone for Control (ie firing info?)... Will bring a whole new Truth to the Online Gamer 'Lag Death'.  Just basic propogation delay is 1/4 of a second... and with any time spend in Que at the Sat end (it will have limited bandwidth due to power and bandwidth restrictions)... 1/4 of a second is the MINIMUM time...

Man'd Aircraft are not done yet... IMO.

Who are we going to fly against in the future?

China.

When I'm in a particularly jaunty mood I wander over to other news sites to read some of the comments and goof on the idiots making them.

One guy kept repeating that Obama has lowered the deficit.  Another kept writing how Obama has saved the economy and brought people together.

The drugs have definately kicked in with his supporters.  How long will the press keep be-clowning themselves?  Sadly we have a long way to go.

Posted by: Jones in CO at March 13, 2013 12:31 PM (8sCoq)

Serious question, as I have the video feed up of the chimney and want to go to lunch, but don't want to miss anything.

Truly a feat of psychological programming.

*pats the Hump of Wisdom*

Posted by: Cheri

***

Sounds like those two decided to repeat a lie so it becomes "truth".

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at March 13, 2013 12:15 PM (CJjw5)

Will the pron be the in flight entertainment? If so, that should get a bunch of kids off the redeyes.

Data overload is one of the biggest problems facing old time fighter pilots. With enough people handling separate areas, the problem is solved.

Posted by: jwest at March 13, 2013 12:31 PM (u2a4R)

Except that all that Data will still have to flow to the Operator of the Drone... which will take a butt load of Bandwidth.... and bandwidth is NOT that big...  The useable spectrum for this is pretty small...

Also, you must understand that the Power of the transmiters used to uplink that info to the Sat is very limited from the drone.... making it pretty easy to jam.

Posted by: jwest at March 13, 2013 12:06 PM (u2a4R)

The F-35 might be a waste of money. I'm no expert in aircraft development. However, I think you're in error when you wrote, '...any program advocating manned aircraft is a throwback to horseback cavalry charges.'

Take drones, for example. So far, missile-equipped drones have only been used against pre-industrial age enemies who no doubt think rifles and mortars and IEDs are a kind of divine gift, assembled by Allah's elves in a magical workshop in paradise. None of those targeted has had the wherewithal to jam or shoot down a drone. I'm betting the Russians do, as well as the Chinese. Drones are limited-use, in my view. They only work against enemies lacking resources and technological sophistication.

I guess we'll find out how drones fare against modern countermeasures soon enough. President Obama's feckless foreign policy invites aggression. Any hostile foreign power must be tempted to act while Obama's in the White House, Hagel's in the Pentagon, Brennan's at Langley, and Kerry's at State. They'll probably never see such weak American leadership concentrated in one administration at one time ever again. The smart move for bad guys would be to go now, while the window's open.

We haven't had a tank battle since 2003.  There is no future need for the Abrams Main Battle Tank.

When's the last time we had a naval surface engagement?  Those Iranian "gunboats?"  Get rid of everything but carriers, LCSs and subs.  That oughta do 'er.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at March 13, 2013 12:37 PM (/kI1Q)

By redundant, I mean different types of communications.  We already know the lag time is too great to use satellites, so radio, microwave and laser signals would be bounced off drones (or possibly manned) communication aircraft circling the area at 90,000 feet. 

If communications are lost, the UAV can be programmed to turn, evade and return to base or to fly into a pre-arranged target.  No pilot, no problem.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at March 13, 2013 12:10 PM (4OvDk)

Humans suck. G forces that knock them out are totally cool for remotes.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at March 13, 2013 12:42 PM (4OvDk

I'm going to hell for laughing at that.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at March 13, 2013 12:42 PM (4OvDk)

"I'm the smart one"

What was that Dylan song?  "It ain't me, babe."  Barky's anthem.

:::Look at Mark Kelly and his assault rifle purchase. I really wasn't buying the thing I was attempting to buy.:::

"I wasn't  buying it for  ME, I was only buying it to show how easy it is to buy."

The  Pete Townsend Defense.  Bold  choice.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at March 13, 2013 12:38 PM (4OvDk)

Who was talking about ruling by committee?

If you have 5 people assigned to each UAV, one would be running the show and most likely piloting.  Others would be monitoring the systems, operating the weapons systems, navigating and running for latte refills.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 13, 2013 12:45 PM (UOM4

It should be a pretty well attended moron meet and greet.

Get rid of everything but carriers, LCSs and subs. That oughta do 'er.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at March 13, 2013 12:42 PM (CJjw5)

Yeah.... because teh LCS is SUCH a success!  It goes FAST... right up until it breaks apart due to the stresses from that speed.... and it has GREAT missles and firepower.... at least once we finally get around to building the weapons we are supposed to put on it....

I had a chance to be part of the Hydrofoil project the Navy had.... turned it down for other things.... and I've counseled my USN Son to stay away from the LCS's....

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I'm  looking forward to the day when the guys with horses, who know how to ride them, ride up on the video game  drone  controller  drones, and take them out with a good swift kick to the nose. 

Anyone who advocates for  a pilotless air force is  unserious.  You guys. 

Barky has just nominated a new ambassador to Libya...a woman, Kay Jones.

Is she from Maine?

If you have 5 people assigned to each UAV, one would be running the show and most likely piloting. Others would be monitoring the systems, operating the weapons systems, navigating and running for latte refills.

Posted by: jwest at March 13, 2013 12:47 PM (u2a4R)

Recipie for disaster.... having one guy fly, and another on Weapons... with a 1/4 second lag built in....

Even the F-14, which had a Radar operator along with the pilot... had the pilot shooting...

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at March 13, 2013 12:49 PM (4df7R

We can only hope.

:::If communications are lost, the UAV can be programmed to turn, evade and return to base or to fly into a pre-arranged target. No pilot, no problem.:::

So a completely useless drone that is non-mission capable is a better value than  a manned aircraft.  The mission didn't get done, but we got our useless toy back, so it's all jake?

Please stop.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at March 13, 2013 12:45 PM (4OvDk)

But you don't lose the pilot. You can mass produce drones, but pilots take a bit longer unelss you make pilot training a national priority, and that would cost mondo dollars.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at March 13, 2013 12:42 PM (CJjw5)

We don't need no weapons. Our Presnent is a Noble Peece prise weinner.

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I was under the impression the Navy is now a "Global Force for Good."  Why do they need any weapons at all? 

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet is no longer shamelessly hawking his book Amy Lynn available on amazon. at March 13, 2013 12:50 PM (l86i3)

It could be KAY FROM MAINE

Stir up the hornet's nest some more, Obama. Jeesh!

Yep, for someone who said the muz call to prayer was the prettiest thing he's ever heard, he seems kind of oblivious to how they treat women.

The guy seems just a tad confused.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet is no longer shamelessly hawking his book Amy Lynn available on amazon. at March 13, 2013 12:52 PM (l86i3

On it.

:::I was under the impression the Navy is now a "Global Force for Good." Why do they need any weapons at all? :::

To defend us against the  few remaining infidels and Suppressive Persons that wish to take us back to the days of back-alley coathanger abortions.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at March 13, 2013 12:49 PM (CJjw5)

Sgt. Slaughter:  Whiskey Tango Foxtrot!  Command, what happened to our Close Air Support???  We just saw it turn away!

Command:  Sorry, but be advised there is Jamming in the Hemisphere... from within a neutral country...

Posted by: Romeo13 at March 13, 2013 12:49 PM (lZBBB)

Maverick and Goose would still be looking around wondering where my UAV was while I looped around them twice before killing them.

There just isn't any contest of where the technology is going.  What is a shame is blowing hundreds of billions on replacing our already superior fighters with a new generation of an old method. 

If an advisary developed the right UAVs, we would be shit out of luck.

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I don't believe that.  From what I've seen the Navy now consists of hot lesbians kissing on the docks.  I've seen the pictures. 

Posted by: jwest at March 13, 2013 12:57 PM (u2a4R)

Yep.... your drone would work great... right up until I... sitting in my basement... with off the shelf technology.... jams your satelite...

The Mav and Goose will complete the mission.... while your drone stays grounded.

Sgt. Slaughter: Whiskey Tango Foxtrot! Command, what happened to our Close Air Support??? We just saw it turn away!

Command: Sorry, but be advised there is Jamming in the Hemisphere... from within a neutral country...

Command:  Don't  worry, Slaughter.  The drone made it safely  back to base, following its autoroutine  for jamming.

Sgt. Slaughter:  Great!   Get it back on station!  We need immediate suppression on grid XB 132 455 - expedite!

Command:  Whoa, dude.  Slow down.  I just told you  there's jamming going on.  You're gonna have to figure something else out, man.  Hey, why don't you just like, leave?  I wouldn't stick around  if dudes were  shooting at me, man.

Command:  Hello?

Command:   Huh.

Command:  Hey, Rollings!  Did you hear we're all getting these new  medals for drone  piloting?  Better than a  Bronze Star - fucking SCHWEET, man!  Now I'm up to three ribbons on my fruit salad.  One more and I'm stackin' 'em two high, biznatch.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet is no longer shamelessly hawking his book Amy Lynn available on amazon. at March 13, 2013 01:01 PM (l86i3)

Yeah.... I'm thinking the Dept of Labor needed a new Mathematician.... and heard Michael Mann was available...

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15% growth?  Obviously from food stamps. 

>>Imagine Mooch trying to get through a debate without turning into Aunt Esther with PMS

And I can't imagine her wanting to do one quarter of the work of campaigning.

Making kids go hungry so you can can turn your back on them and dance to the media...and the similar story about the disabled vets...

If she can't even pull off one event at a time, she could not deal with campaigning.

There was a commercial for a movie showing Washington DC under assault.

I was conflicted.

There has been no shortage of dire warnings about the mounting US national debt, but President Obama is now offering a different assessment: no big deal.

“We don’t have an immediate crisis in terms of debt,” President Obama said in an exclusive interview with George Stephanopoulos for “Good Morning America.” “In fact, for the next 10 years, it’s gonna be in a sustainable place.”

The UAV/UAS discussion has me (I work in EW) and the guy in the next cubicle (an Air Defense Artillery Warrant Officer) laughing our asses off. 

Trust us, we're a LONG way from drones being a viable option to manned aircraft for anything other than R&S, SIGINT/EW, and the occaisional Hellfire drop.

Posted by: soothsayer at March 13, 2013 01:03 PM (CXoSL

o_O

Posted by: Ian S. at March 13, 2013 01:02 PM (B/VB5)

Just a bit of background.... I'm a Retired US Navy Electronics Technician... with multiple NECs in Sat Com equipment...

>>at the end of tunnel, getting blow dried

I'm going to start a Twitter account for you if you keep this up.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at March 13, 2013 12:57 PM (4OvDk)

Allen, I'm starting to be convinced your mother used "communication loss" as an excuse when she didn't pick you up from school on time. 

Given all the advantages of unmanned flight, continuing to advocate for having some McCainesque stumblebum in the drivers seat just doesn't make any sense.

Dophins are pussies, if you want something really scary strap a knife on a weasel.

Posted by: Larsen E. Whipsnade at March 13, 2013 01:05 PM (rXcBX)

Per AoSHQ Style Guide rules,    all mammals     are a form of weasel.

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But jwest assures us pilots are like horses!

Surely jwest has never steered us wrong.....

Posted by: Ian S. at March 13, 2013 01:02 PM (B/VB5)

This is my lane. And, it's that easy.  Hell, you can buy a GPS jammer for a few thousand bucks online.

:::Maverick and Goose would still be looking around wondering where my UAV was while I looped around them twice before killing them.:::

Dude,  you saw that movie "Deal of the Century" with Chevy Chase and Gregory Hines and thought it was a training film, didn't you?

Couple of problems with that:

1.  That  was fiction.

2.  Even in that fictional scenario, the drone's  communications were interrupted and Gregory Hines shot down the drone from the fighter plane he was flying. 

Posted by: 80sBaby at March 13, 2013 01:08 PM (YjDyJ)

*FACEPALMING SO HARD*

Posted by: soothsayer at March 13, 2013 01:09 PM (oxIUw)

u take a bath in a car wash? where do u keep the quarters? Oh, never mind.

How did we lose to these idiots?

It's a rather complicated  formula that involves several seemingly disparate components working together  in a squaredance of clusterfuckery.

But  mostly, weasels.

Posted by: Country Singer at March 13, 2013 01:05 PM (L8r/r) :::

So?  The Internet says you and your buddy are wrong.

THE INTERNET, Country Singer.

Posted by: Romeo13 at March 13, 2013 01:06 PM (lZBBB)

Now that's a comeback.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet is no longer shamelessly hawking his book Amy Lynn available on amazon. at March 13, 2013 01:09 PM (l86i3)

They paid off more idiots than we did!

"Maverick and Goose would still be looking around wondering where my UAV was while I looped around them twice before killing them."

Posted by: jwest at March 13, 2013 12:57 PM (u2a4R)

"State of the art?  My ass!"

495 The UAV/UAS discussion has me (I work in EW) and the guy in the next cubicle (an Air Defense Artillery Warrant Officer) laughing our asses off.

2nd Bn, 61st ADA.  Been there, done that.

Half the problem we have in this discussion is that most people believe all UAVs need to be flown by people in trailers parked on a runway in Arizona.  From there, simple signals are bounced off a satellite for a 500 mile round trip with the resulting lag time.

The real discussion is wasting hundreds of billions on old methods when we should be generation skipping to the next big thing.

How did we lose to these idiots?

It wasn't easy, I tells ya!

I just went to usdebtclock for the first time in a while and clicked on the 2008 numbers. That's unreal.

A gross debt to GDP ratio under 70% compared to today's 106.67%. I pointed out to my nephews and brother when it hit 100% and told them nothing good would be happening after this.

No one cares. Or they can't imagine Western societies collapsing like Greece because it never happened to us before...

542 If he soiled his pants, he'd blame it on someone else.

He would explain how this points out the urgent need for a Trouser Regulatory Commission. It may have to be a cabinet level position.

And he'd point out that he inherited those soiled pants from the previous administration.

Posted by: jwest at March 13, 2013 01:17 PM (u2a4R)

Again: your UAV dream doesn't/wouldn't hold up a sophisticated enemy capable of taking out those satellites or jamming those signals. I don't understand why you won't even concede the point.

Posted by: Nighthawk

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Just a little touch up...

Posted by: troyriser at March 13, 2013 01:22 PM (vtiE6)

How do you jam a laser line of sight data transfer? 

Posted by: jwest at March 13, 2013 01:17 PM (u2a4R)

I'm not saying that the possibilities aren't being explored.  What I'm saying is that technologically it is simply not viable for the foreseeable future.  And by "foreseeable future" I mean in the next twenty years.

The bandwidth problem alone is too much.  Frequency deconflication is already a nightmare and as much as we'd like to, we cannot bend the laws of physics to our whims.

Posted by: jwest at March 13, 2013 01:24 PM (u2a4R)

With smoke.

Posted by: Country Singer at March 13, 2013 01:25 PM (L8r/r)

Even if you lit every oil well in Iraq on fire, that's a lot of smoke. 

So, everytime there is an engagement, as the wing commander for the manned forces you would deploy your gigantic smoke machine to obscure everything for miles.  That done, what do you do about the microwave data stream?

Posted by: jwest at March 13, 2013 01:24 PM (u2a4R)

I'm a commercial artist who happens to be an infantry veteran, so I'm sure others are far better qualified than I am to answer that question--like, say, the Russian, Chinese, Indian, et al military scientists currently working the problem.

Bottom line: The drone-only strategy you advocate is untested in modern battlefield conditions against an enemy with advanced technological capabilities roughly near or equivalent to our own. Uproven technologies should not be the linchpin of any war-fighting strategy anywhere unless and until they are proven.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at March 13, 2013 01:30 PM (4OvDk)

Allen, instead of 12 F-35s coming in, you've got 120 UAVs bearing down on you. 

That's 120 individual, independent thinking pilots just as sharp and motivated as the guys they used to stick in cockpits.  Out of this group, who are "flying" in essentially a bubble with 360 degree visibility (with magnification if they like), you're going to put up enough tons a chaff that it would block line of sight communications for long enough that the pilots would abandon their missions and auto-home the UAVs.

Good plan.  I guess the future of aviation is still silk scarves and leather helmets.

565 Allen, instead of 12 F-35s coming in, you've got 120 UAVs bearing down on you.

That's 120 individual, independent thinking pilots just as sharp and motivated as the guys they used to stick in cockpits.

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Wait a sec. I thought you said a drone was being run by a committee of 5 guys. So that's 600 pilots.

Furthermore, I thought you said the problem with losing a plane was losing an expensive pilot, which are hard to find.

So now, suddenly, we need to find 600 pilots who are every bit as good as the 12 guys we would have needed if we were flying F-35s.

*scratches head of rapidly thinning hair*

Posted by: jwest at March 13, 2013 01:40 PM (u2a4R)

You just can't bring yourself to grant the validity of opposing viewpoints, can you? So there you are, a giant, a visionary, surrounded by all of these pesky little people. If only those unsuspecting fools whom you encountered every day knew your real genius. Little do they know. You laugh at their narrow-minded stupidity--Ha! One day, one day you'll show them. You'll show them all.

I bet they love you at parties.

"So there you are, a giant, a visionary, surrounded by all of these pesky little people. "

Yeah, but it's Ace's website so I make allowances.

How expensive are self-guided tous?