September 27, 2013

Of Course: John McCain Hires Not-a-Doctor Elizabeth O'Bagy, Syrian Rebel Expert
— Ace

As you might know, Doctor O'Bagy penned an Op Ed claiming there weren't many jihadis in the Free Syrian Army. She later turned out to not be a doctor. She then explained that she was in a doctoral program and had defended her dissertation and was merely waiting for a grade.

This also turned out to not be true. It was not even true that she was enrolled in a doctoral program at all. So far from waiting for a grade, she was actually waiting to apply.

In addition, she failed to disclose in her op-ed that she was working for the pro-Syrian rebel "Syrian Emergency Task Force." She later parsed this as well, claiming she wasn't an employee of the group; she was merely a contractor.

Which is a type of employee. Yes, when you hire a guy to seal your driveway he's a "contractor," not an "employee," but while you're paying him for his work he's working for you.

And now she works for John McCain.

Sen. John McCain has hired Elizabeth O'Bagy, the Syria analyst in Washington who was fired for padding her credentials, The Cable has learned. She begins work Monday as a legislative assistant in McCain's office.

O'Bagy was a young but well-respected advisor at the Institute for the Study of War and had emerged quickly as an important voice among those arguing in favor of intervention in Syria...

"Elizabeth is a talented researcher, and I have been very impressed by her knowledge and analysis in multiple briefings over the last year," McCain told The Cable in a statement. "I look forward to her joining my office." McCain's office said there would be no further comment on the matter.

How to explain? I don't know.

I think John McCain has an inability to see his errors. I think his ego precludes such a possibility. It's not that his conclusions about Syria are rendered erroneous by these disclosures about O'Bagy; but he does seem foolish to have relied upon O'Bagy's claims.*

But he can't see himself as having made a mistake, so he applies his favorite Narrative: That "mavericks," like McCain himself and Not-a-Doctor O'Bagy, are like Luke Skywalker trapped in the Death Star trench (I know this doesn't make perfect sense but it's McCain's 2000 campaign line; take it up with him) and must break free of "The Empire," which are the conservatives he despises so palpably.

Thus, O'Bagy is not really at fault; rather, she is a victim of the same Conservative Hate Empire that keeps McCain trapped in the trench.

The more charitable explanation is that he simply liked her during briefings, and took a shine to her, and feels that she shouldn't lose her entire career over a lie.

I don't discount that one, either. People do just like some people, for whatever reason. There's some sympatico.

Still, what I'm imagining is that both ideas, the charitable one and the uncharitable one, are in play. The heart might have been motivated by the charitable one, and then the head applies the Death Star Evil Conservative Empire narrative to convince itself that the heart is right.

* The Pro-Air-Snub gang keeps saying "none of these disclosures disprove anything O'Bagy said."

Well let's think about that. It's technically true. But O'Bagy's piece was largely based on her own witness; that is, she was reporting her eyewitness testimony. Her beliefs, her observations.

Such a piece does not make reference to anything externally true. Such a piece -- an "On Author" piece, I think they're called -- relies upon the reputation and credibility of the Author as far as evidence of its truth.

And obviously when the author has taken an enormous hit on personal credibility, so too does her On Author claims about Things She's Seen and People She's Met and Conversations She's Had and Beliefs She's Formed decline in credibility.

Posted by: Ace at 01:06 PM | Comments (324)
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1 nair

Posted by: Dr. Varno at September 27, 2013 01:08 PM (bYRF2)

2 Steve Schmidt to Elizabeth O'Bagy - a seamless continuum.

Posted by: JEM at September 27, 2013 01:09 PM (o+SC1)

3 He's senile.

Posted by: NCKate at September 27, 2013 01:09 PM (WtZbx)

4 how to explain... McCain is a jackass..?

Posted by: mallfly at September 27, 2013 01:09 PM (bJm7W)

5 Yeah, either that or the lunatics are running the asylum again.

Posted by: rickl at September 27, 2013 01:10 PM (zoehZ)

6 "I think John McCain has an inability to see his errors. I think his ego precludes such a possibility." Ding! Ding! Ding! We have a winner!

Posted by: Mandy P., lurking lurker who lurks at September 27, 2013 01:10 PM (qFpRI)

7 The answer to your question is:  if someone is willing to lie to aid a senator, they will be taken care of financially.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at September 27, 2013 01:10 PM (0Jb7F)

8

I for one relish the opportunity to vote against Senator McCain in the next primary.  He really has to go away to his mansion in Sedona and spend the remainder of his years looking at the pretty red rocks.

 

Oh, and SECOND!!!111!!eleventy1!!!!

Posted by: exurbanDoug at September 27, 2013 01:11 PM (ZdLhE)

9 McCain has finally gone round the bend.. Someone should put him in an assisted living facility and declare him non compos mentis

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at September 27, 2013 01:11 PM (f9c2L)

10 Or he thinks he can tap that.

Posted by: Joethefatman™ (@joethefatman1) at September 27, 2013 01:11 PM (MnSla)

11 Or....McCain is a partisan hack who attacks those who do not agree with him and rewards those who do.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 27, 2013 01:11 PM (/kU/5)

12 He's a sad, sad man.

Posted by: boned to the bone at September 27, 2013 01:11 PM (Ph479)

13 My guess is that O'bagy is servicing McCain in other ways.

Posted by: Jack at September 27, 2013 01:11 PM (gWHwW)

14 Why does McCain need O'Bagy? He can spot a good Muslim from a thousand miles away.

Posted by: WalrusRex at September 27, 2013 01:11 PM (aJ2Af)

15 Jeez.....I voted for this guy and gave his campaign money. I shall commit seppuku at once.

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at September 27, 2013 01:12 PM (l3vZN)

16 He's porking her.

Posted by: Lincolntf at September 27, 2013 01:12 PM (ZshNr)

17 Stupid is as stupid does.

Posted by: F. Gump at September 27, 2013 01:12 PM (5ikDv)

18 John McCain is Satan's dumber younger brother. True fact.

Posted by: C. S. Lewis at September 27, 2013 01:12 PM (xGb7l)

19 And the McCain hits just keep on coming

Posted by: Jones in CO at September 27, 2013 01:12 PM (8sCoq)

20 Oh God, I just got a fundraising beg from McCain. It's a shame Zimbabwe went off their own currency, I'd love to give him a million dollars.

Posted by: JEM at September 27, 2013 01:12 PM (o+SC1)

21 People do just like some people, for whatever reason. There's some sympatico.


...and then there's John McCain.

Posted by: dogfish at September 27, 2013 01:12 PM (nsOJa)

22 The chasm grows wider.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at September 27, 2013 01:12 PM (IXrOn)

23 This is crass stupidity on McCain's part. It shows he should be placed in a Home for the Terminally Senile.

On the other hand, Choom Boy has been talking to the New Shining Light of Iran, the one who has been lionized by NBC and others in the America-hating Left. That strikes me as Treason, which shows President Historic First© should be in court, hoping for a plea deal that excuses him from the maximum punishment for giving aid and comfort to the enemy.

Posted by: MrScribbler at September 27, 2013 01:13 PM (kaGpp)

24 wait, I have it! McCain can hire Huma what's-her-face from Hillary! and you have two problems solved.

Posted by: mallfly at September 27, 2013 01:13 PM (bJm7W)

25 I would say drop a MOAB on McCain but he just hired one.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at September 27, 2013 01:13 PM (lbpNx)

26 I don't know, I think McCain and some other republicans have bought into the democrat way of thinking, which is basically the liberal pathology: If you disagree with democrats, then you're probably a southern redneck. there, that's it. You're evil. It's not even worth discussing. As far as why Mackerel hired this chick, it's beyond comprehension. I mean, why is his dick so hard to help Obama bomb people in the middle east.* * again, I said it's beyond comprehension. I - like obama - have no idea what's going on over there, but I'm pretty confident that Obama's on the wrong side.

Posted by: joeindc44 didn't analyze nuthin, just offered his own anecdotal evidence at September 27, 2013 01:13 PM (QxSug)

27 You don't usually give contractors important titles in your organization like "Director" or whatever her title was.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at September 27, 2013 01:13 PM (f9c2L)

28 Seriously,McCain is officially nuts.

Posted by: steevy at September 27, 2013 01:13 PM (9XBK2)

29 Whatever the reason, it is a foolish move. She is a known liar and was so shameless about it that she perpetuated the lie to the entire world. THAT makes her stupid! He has hired a woman who lies, who is stupid, and has no shame, and he intends to have her conduct research for him. He's a fool.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 27, 2013 01:14 PM (DmNpO)

30 Look, there has got to be a zillion other folks he could have chosen. Ego and lust.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at September 27, 2013 01:14 PM (IXrOn)

31 I'm thinking he looking for a little Petraeus-esque action.

Posted by: boned to the bone at September 27, 2013 01:14 PM (Ph479)

32 Holy shit, I had it all wrong in college. Instead of studying hard and learning skills, I could have just faked my way into a lucrative govt job.

Posted by: EC at September 27, 2013 01:14 PM (doBIb)

33 so is there a limit to how much mileage you get out of doing a stint in the hanoi hilton? everything mccain has done since he got out is somewhere between useless and repugnant, including his children so has he got a pass on everything forever?

Posted by: yankeefifth at September 27, 2013 01:15 PM (Z9EHQ)

34 29 Whatever the reason, it is a foolish move. She is a known liar and was so shameless about it that she perpetuated the lie to the entire world. THAT makes her stupid!

He has hired a woman who lies, who is stupid, and has no shame, and he intends to have her conduct research for him.

He's a fool.  

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 27, 2013 05:14 PM (DmNpO)

 

Now be fair, it's a proven fact that she has flexible morals and can fool people.  That's just the kind of researcher McCain needs - someone who can help him lie convincingly.

Posted by: Austin in TX at September 27, 2013 01:15 PM (GBY9g)

35 My only solace is picturing the faces on the repubs when they lose their asses in the next election.

Posted by: Spypeach at September 27, 2013 01:15 PM (0n1+D)

36 I think he's just nucking futs. Nothing else explains the illogic.Not even vanity.

Posted by: Marcus at September 27, 2013 01:15 PM (xXyjO)

37 fwiw, noscript is awesome if you go to a favorite page and something doesn't work right, just tell noscript to 'allow all for this page' and you're good to go

Posted by: Jones in CO at September 27, 2013 01:16 PM (8sCoq)

38 Did his "Special Needs" Daughter hire her? and I mean Meghan.

Posted by: Patrick at September 27, 2013 01:16 PM (b6koZ)

39
Oh, Maverick, take me to bed, or lose me forever!

Posted by: Elizabeth O'Bagy at September 27, 2013 01:16 PM (sCynV)

40 re 23: no, wrong, since Obama became President, we don't have any enemies, only friends we haven't yet warmed up to.

Posted by: mallfly at September 27, 2013 01:16 PM (bJm7W)

41 even obagy knows that space ship poster is missing very obvious shi ps.

Posted by: yankeefifth at September 27, 2013 01:16 PM (Z9EHQ)

42 Now be fair, it's a proven fact that she has flexible morals and can fool people. That's just the kind of researcher McCain needs - someone who can help him lie convincingly. *** Very good point.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 27, 2013 01:16 PM (DmNpO)

43 So, basically McCain likes to have the hot, young strange around.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at September 27, 2013 01:16 PM (ZPrif)

44 He has hired a woman who lies, who is stupid, and has no shame, and he intends to have her conduct research for him.
======================================
Must remind him of his daughter.

Posted by: boned to the bone at September 27, 2013 01:17 PM (Ph479)

45 You miss the part where, by bringing her on board, he restores her legitimacy.

This is about McCain.

See, "top advisor to John McCain" is the tagline the press will now go with.

His sun shines on her. The disgrace is washed away in his light (so long as he never angers the press).

Posted by: RoyalOil at September 27, 2013 01:17 PM (VjL9S)

46 36 I think he's just nucking futs. Nothing else explains the illogic.Not even vanity. ******** I don't know, maybe him and his daughter are getting their morality lessons from their gay hairdressers. Noh8, yall.

Posted by: joeindc44 didn't analyze nuthin, just offered his own anecdotal evidence at September 27, 2013 01:17 PM (QxSug)

47 seriously, McCain is what- 100 years old? Unlikely there's much lead left in that pencil

Posted by: Jones in CO at September 27, 2013 01:17 PM (8sCoq)

48 She later turned out to not be a doctor. She then explained that she was in a doctoral program and had defended her dissertation and was merely waiting for a grade. This also turned out to not be true. It was not even true that she was enrolled in a doctoral program at all. So far from waiting for a grade, she was actually waiting to apply. Has it been determined yet that she is female?

Posted by: rickb223 at September 27, 2013 01:17 PM (ix+5k)

49 @39

*splurgh* Diet Coke. Right up the nose.

Posted by: drivebylurker at September 27, 2013 01:17 PM (5ikDv)

50 McCain claims to be a Republican, but there is no proof he ever actually was

Posted by: The Jackhole at September 27, 2013 01:17 PM (nTgAI)

51 Hollowpoint actually had the best line about this, in the Global Warming thread: "It was reported by Foreign Policy magazine -- a well-known parody site."

Posted by: Jeff B., wot can't stop looking a gift horse in the mouth at September 27, 2013 01:17 PM (n/+FT)

52 Second look at the NYT articles that broke in 2008 about an affair he was having with another "aide"? Just askin'......

Posted by: Buckeye Katie at September 27, 2013 01:17 PM (1M/xn)

53 41 even obagy knows that space ship poster is missing very obvious shi ps. Posted by: yankeefifth at September 27, 2013 05:16 PM (Z9EHQ) LOL!!!!

Posted by: EC at September 27, 2013 01:17 PM (doBIb)

54 The more charitable explanation is that he simply liked her during briefings, and took a shine to her, and feels that she shouldn't lose her entire career over a lie. See, Ace, this is one of the big reasons I read your blog. I'm not sure that possibility would ever have occurred to me if you hadn't mentioned it. But now that you have, I can see that being a possible motivation. On the other hand, McCain has repeatedly demonstrated that he loves poking conservatives in the eye.

Posted by: Mindy, Marxist Math instructor at September 27, 2013 01:17 PM (kYWp9)

55 Besides, I can't wait to see her pass the necessary security clearances. I suppose they will use the same firm that screened Snowden and Alexis.

No risk there, you know, knowing she cavorts with terrorists.

Posted by: Marcus at September 27, 2013 01:18 PM (xXyjO)

56 Maybe she knows how to make pie and sammiches?

Posted by: Adriane... at September 27, 2013 01:18 PM (6TfRc)

57 [semi-sock off]

Posted by: Jeff B. at September 27, 2013 01:18 PM (n/+FT)

58 Sen. John McCain, "Meghan meet your new step mother.  She's younger than you."

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at September 27, 2013 01:18 PM (lbpNx)

59 Since Ace is such a fan: Adam Carolla's new man cave: http://goo.gl/SdE9va

Posted by: Jesse Pinkman, PhD Bitches! at September 27, 2013 01:18 PM (T0Pku)

60 35 My only solace is picturing the faces on the repubs when they lose their asses in the next election. **** the current crop of (dickless) GOP leadership will never learn and continue to blame their losses on the base for not being cool like their gay hairdressers are. the gop is trying to get the vaunted "people who won't vote for us" vote, instead of trying to -you know- sell a message about what it is we're doing.

Posted by: joeindc44 didn't analyze nuthin, just offered his own anecdotal evidence at September 27, 2013 01:19 PM (QxSug)

61 well, you make an interesting point, is the word 'liar' ever going to be in vogue again? words have meaning and despite the liberal efforts at newspeak it is possible to match words and actions and apply them.

Posted by: yankeefifth at September 27, 2013 01:19 PM (Z9EHQ)

62 just when you think Juan can't be more of a clownshow.....

Posted by: Red Shirt at September 27, 2013 01:19 PM (FIDMq)

63 I think John McCain is an asshole who doesn't know much about anything and has been getting by on his stint in the Hanoi Hilton.

I really wish he was taken down in the S&L scandal.

It is increasingly apparent he is suffering from decreased mental capacity.

Posted by: Kreplach at September 27, 2013 01:19 PM (hmUex)

64 Stop being charitable to McCain. Stop thinking it is just an error in judgement. This is who he is, a pathological liar and a corrupt politician. And egotistical, self-centered child in an old man's body. This was the way he was at the Naval Acadamy. This was the way he was as a commissioned officer. This weird, self -centered outlook is probably part of what kept him alive in North Viet Nam POW camp. We all give him credit for being brave. We now really all need to recognize that he is a sociopath, and quit enabling him. He should at the least be stripped of his leadership position in the Republican caucus. Let him go Democrat.

Posted by: Severe Conservative riding Orca at September 27, 2013 01:19 PM (RFeQD)

65

Second look at the NYT articles that broke in 2008 about an affair he was having with another "aide"? Just askin'......

Posted by: Buckeye Katie at September 27, 2013 05:17 PM (1M/xn)

 

My thoughts exactly

 

Elizabeth O'bangme

Posted by: The Jackhole at September 27, 2013 01:19 PM (nTgAI)

66 Y5, you mean USS Discovery, Alexi Leonov, Space Battleship Yamato, and Andromeda?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at September 27, 2013 01:19 PM (lbpNx)

67 He's a stealth democrat in the process of uncloaking - the latest in a long line  of 'em.

When your politics *are* your religion, it's commendable to spend your life living a lie behind enemy lines  while destroying them from within.

I won't even do him the solid of mouthing the usual "I honor his service to the country"  thing.  He burned through that  pile of goodwill a long time ago.  Fuck him and fuck his  airhead daughter too.

Posted by: Jaws at September 27, 2013 01:20 PM (4I3Uo)

68
How to explain? I don't know.
Posted by Ace



Little Meggie in the oven.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at September 27, 2013 01:20 PM (kdS6q)

69 He isn't going to run for re-election so he can do anything he wants now. If I had to guess, I'd say he's having an affair with her.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at September 27, 2013 01:20 PM (dfYL9)

70 Andromeda is there.

Posted by: EC at September 27, 2013 01:20 PM (doBIb)

71 I think Sen. McCain likes to do certain things just because he can.

Posted by: Miss80sBaby at September 27, 2013 01:20 PM (YjDyJ)

72 The more charitable explanation is that he simply liked her during briefings, and took a shine to her, and feels that she shouldn't lose her entire career over a lie. Maybe, he just wants to bang her?

Posted by: Jesse Pinkman, PhD Bitches! at September 27, 2013 01:20 PM (T0Pku)

73 So...what are the odds the MB or WTFCAIR have photos of McCain with children? Or perhaps farm animals.
I honestly believe McCain has senility issues or something like that - he's been acting (more) off his rocker lately.

Posted by: Lizzy at September 27, 2013 01:20 PM (U6BWX)

74 EC, not the Andromeda from Space Battleship Yamato.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at September 27, 2013 01:20 PM (lbpNx)

75 All those Democrats rely on the same information sources.

Posted by: Daniel Simpson Day at September 27, 2013 01:21 PM (aA2hG)

76 O'Bagy? Why is it every time I see that name I see Bag me? The bitch knows how to butter her bread, and McSenile is too vain to see it

Posted by: Ma Bell at September 27, 2013 01:21 PM (RLdcX)

77

dangerous old fool

 

AZ, do better

Posted by: thunderb at September 27, 2013 01:21 PM (zOTsN)

78 I have two theories . First theory , O'Baggy is the biological daughter of McCain . Second theory , McCain is a MORON .( McCain of revolving omnipotent nuttiness ) Signed Yes I am real doctor . DMD of AD&D ( first edition /old school D20 . Word .

Posted by: DrDrill at September 27, 2013 01:21 PM (sOFZs)

79 i'm horrified

Posted by: phoenixgirl @phxazgrl at September 27, 2013 01:21 PM (8JJ6O)

80 Cool! I'm in after only 80 comments.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at September 27, 2013 01:22 PM (aDwsi)

81 Elizabeth O'Bagy, if her degrees don't entice you, try her patented O'Bagy suck job! Good for all ages!

Posted by: Lincolntf at September 27, 2013 01:22 PM (ZshNr)

82 >>>The more charitable explanation is that he simply liked her during briefings, and took a shine to her, and feels that she shouldn't lose her entire career over a lie.

If I'm being perfectly honest (and not just bashing Johnny Mac because it's fun and easy and he deserves it) this is almost certainly the reason. 

Now I don't really give a shit, as I'm the guy who constantly harps on the point that There Is No Such Thing As Loyalty In Politics (this being a perfectly good example of why it's dumb), but yeah knowing McCain's weird sense of honor that's probably what's going on here.

Posted by: Jeff B. at September 27, 2013 01:22 PM (n/+FT)

83 joke is all on mccain, he is going to find out all those peculiar acts she said she enjoyed doing, not really so much, which is fine because she also said she did not have a dick.

Posted by: yankeefifth at September 27, 2013 01:22 PM (Z9EHQ)

84 McCain likes to keep his AQ advisors in the O'Bagy...

Posted by: Aaron Burr at September 27, 2013 01:22 PM (uvVb6)

85 My friendsh, I would also like to introduce another new expert to my team -- Dr. Scholl's -- who is really in favor of seeing boots on the ground.

Posted by: Juan McCain at September 27, 2013 01:22 PM (Mhykj)

86 This from The Onion, right? I mean..., I can only stand so much in one day.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at September 27, 2013 01:22 PM (aDwsi)

87

She kind of looks like the dame who got famous a few weeks ago for getting off with Wiener.

 

If that's why McCain hired her, fine.  Otherwise, the senile old coot  needs to be  retired now. 

Posted by: BurtTC at September 27, 2013 01:22 PM (TOk1P)

88
Besides, I can't wait to see her pass the necessary security clearances. I suppose they will use the same firm that screened Snowden and Alexis.

Above Top Secret clearances are now based on the honor system. Because it's all Bush's fault.

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at September 27, 2013 01:22 PM (sCynV)

89 This entire government is going to collapse under the weight of it's own stupidity and self hate.

Posted by: Marcus at September 27, 2013 01:22 PM (xXyjO)

90 but yeah knowing McCain's weird sense of honor that's probably what's going on here. *** WTF does "honor" have to do with this?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 27, 2013 01:23 PM (DmNpO)

91 dangerous old fool AZ, do better Until then AZ, statehood card, give it up!

Posted by: rickb223 at September 27, 2013 01:23 PM (ix+5k)

92 Has McCain commented on the recent meeting between the rebel factions  in which they voted  against having this rebellion be associated with a moderate secular change and instead reaffirmed that the goal was an Islamic shira run state?  

Posted by: polynikes at September 27, 2013 01:23 PM (m2CN7)

93 EC, not the Andromeda from Space Battleship Yamato. Ok. Thought you were talking about the tv show Andromeda.

Posted by: EC at September 27, 2013 01:23 PM (doBIb)

94 "Doctor O'Bagy penned an Op Ed claiming there weren't many jihadis in the Free Syrian Army." Here's something that cracks me up: The groups that monitor extremists here in the US say that there may be as many as (if memory serves) 40,000 white supremacists, antigovernment extremists, or other "far right" types in the U.S. military. Say for the sake of argument they're right. We've got 2.3 million people on active duty and in the reserve component. This works out to an average of one in sixty. Call it two in a full-strength company. We are told to be very concerned. But I hear people like Sec. Kerry assure me that the jihadis are only twenty percent, tops, of the Syrian insurgents. That's one per fire team. This is supposed to reassure me.

Posted by: JPS at September 27, 2013 01:23 PM (KhvO6)

95 How do we make O'Bagy a definition in the Urban Dictionary?

Posted by: Lincolntf at September 27, 2013 01:23 PM (ZshNr)

96 >>I suppose they will use the same firm that screened Snowden and Alexis.

Or like the one they did(n't) do on Huma? Because no way would she have passed.

Posted by: Lizzy at September 27, 2013 01:23 PM (U6BWX)

97 But seriously guys, she's like the daughter I never had.

Posted by: John McCain at September 27, 2013 01:23 PM (7Nq2G)

98 I am more and more ashamed that I voted for the ticket that had John McCain on it.  Not that I would have voted for Obama, but I'd feel better about myself if I'd just stayed home that day.  Italics added because italics mean I really mean it.

Posted by: Null at September 27, 2013 01:23 PM (DuH+r)

99 Well, since she has now applied to a doctoral program, or maybe she hasn't, she's fully qualified to change his diapers. It's the Obamaeconomy baby

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at September 27, 2013 01:24 PM (23xti)

100

Let's face it.  You can only have so many long nights in the tub with Senator Graham.

Posted by: Aaron Burr at September 27, 2013 01:24 PM (uvVb6)

101 The more charitable explanation is that he simply liked her during briefings, and took a shine to her, and feels that she shouldn't lose her entire career over a lie. The uncharitable explanation is that she can suck a golf ball through a garden hose.

Posted by: toby928© at September 27, 2013 01:24 PM (evdj2)

102 But seriously guys, she's like the daughter I never had.

Posted by: John McCain at September 27, 2013 05:23 PM (7Nq2G)

 

Beat me to it

Posted by: The Jackhole at September 27, 2013 01:24 PM (nTgAI)

103 Y5, you mean USS Discovery, Alexi Leonov, Space Battleship Yamato, and Andromeda? Posted by: Anna Puma nothing nearly as sophisticated, I am an absolute piker in these things, I was thinking of a few sg ships - universe, prometheus, and daedalus class. If I know it someone somewhere should be flogged - again. I did see one or two andromedas in there.

Posted by: yankeefifth at September 27, 2013 01:25 PM (Z9EHQ)

104

You can't depend on the Viet Cong for a fucking thing

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at September 27, 2013 01:25 PM (R8hU8)

105 Someone (not me) has posted the HL Mencken quote on the masthead above here next to the software verification Jolly Roger.  My reaction was bemusement.

Eco-fascist totalitarian British-NHS-cheerleader scrunt-face who sits behind me, and his eco-fascist "Indianapolis sucks because it's not New Jersey" hipster fuckbuddy (who has a degree in Colonial Africa Studies--I don't even know what the fuck she does here except organize drinking nights for the under-30 club and sneer at people who drive to work) are shocked, appalled, and informing HR and the ethics adviser about "workplace violence."

No offense to millenial Morons, but much of your cohort needs to be punched in the face.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at September 27, 2013 01:25 PM (/kI1Q)

106

90 -

 

Jeff B is a troll.  People know that by now, don't they? 

 

Does anyone need any more proof? 

Posted by: BurtTC at September 27, 2013 01:25 PM (TOk1P)

107 McCain believes that a Republican should be a Democrat who loves death (incidentally, making him the ideal Republican). As such, he is in favor of intervention in Syria, and, as such, he has hired O'Bagy. Mediocre intellects like McCain love to surround themselves with yes (wo)men who tell them that they are right about everything all the time.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at September 27, 2013 01:25 PM (bc6Q/)

108 >>>We all give him credit for being brave. We now really all need to recognize that he is a sociopath, and quit enabling him.

No.  I don't care what John McCain has or hasn't done as a politician.  I don't care how much he pisses me off.  His behavior as a POW was amazingly brave, honorable, and makes him four times the man that most people are.  These things do not cancel out.  I think McCain is a turd these days, but nothing will ever alter the honor with which comported himself under circumstances that would break most men.  Diminishing that by claiming he was only able to survive because he was a "sociopath" is uncalled for.

Posted by: Jeff B. at September 27, 2013 01:25 PM (n/+FT)

109 *arches an eyebrow and pulls out the ratty copy of Deities and Demigods from the shelf*

Lets see which is O'Bagy?

Tyaa?  Could be.  Though I think Loviatar is more likely.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at September 27, 2013 01:25 PM (lbpNx)

110 The uncharitable explanation is that she can suck a golf ball through a garden hose. Chrome off a trailer hitch? Suck start a semi?

Posted by: rickb223 at September 27, 2013 01:25 PM (ix+5k)

111 My friendsh, I would also like to introduce another new expert to my team -- Dr. Scholl's -- who is really in favor of seeing boots on the ground.

Posted by: Juan McCain at September 27, 2013 05:22 PM (Mhykj)

 

heh

Posted by: The Jackhole at September 27, 2013 01:25 PM (nTgAI)

112 I haven't seen this chick. Is she doable?

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at September 27, 2013 01:26 PM (23xti)

113 if he has a chance for a swap, obagy for saggy / meggy is a good one.

Posted by: yankeefifth at September 27, 2013 01:26 PM (Z9EHQ)

114 Nothin' to say. Just changing socks before I forget.

Posted by: Mindy, all scousey 'n stuff at September 27, 2013 01:26 PM (kYWp9)

115 EC that ship's full name is Andromeda Ascendant. 

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at September 27, 2013 01:26 PM (lbpNx)

116

when is he up for election

 

didn't he make some noise about retiring after this term?

 

if he is planning to retire, he will really let his freak flag fly on the way out the door

Posted by: thunderb at September 27, 2013 01:26 PM (zOTsN)

117 Has McCain commented on the recent meeting between the rebel factions in which they voted against having this rebellion be associated with a moderate secular change and instead reaffirmed that the goal was an Islamic shira run state? Posted by: polynikes at September 27, 2013 05:23 PM (m2CN7) Who cares what McCain says? There is no fool like an old fool!

Posted by: CarolT at September 27, 2013 01:26 PM (z4WKX)

118 112 I haven't seen this chick. Is she doable? Jury is still out.

Posted by: EC at September 27, 2013 01:27 PM (doBIb)

119 NSA has dirt on him. That is the only explanation for such a monumental FAIL. Also explain Roberts blessing SCOAMFCare.

Posted by: Schwalbe: The Me-262© at September 27, 2013 01:27 PM (9Bdcz)

120 Is JeffB back from the hospital?

Reading the "Bubble Boys" comments and he's patting himself on the back so much I was sure he'd thrown his shoulder out.

Posted by: RoyalOil at September 27, 2013 01:27 PM (VjL9S)

121 And speaking of Evil Empires, Alqada and Alikhwan (and the House of Alsaud) would love nothing more than to resurrect Alcaliphate. And McCain and O'Bagy are just the useful idiots they're looking for.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at September 27, 2013 01:27 PM (bc6Q/)

122 this just goes to show the only good thing about Arizona is the cubs spring training camp

Posted by: navycopjoe at September 27, 2013 01:27 PM (HED0H)

123 EC that ship's full name is Andromeda Ascendant. Yeah, I remember. It as a very weird show. Not much made sense. Cool looking ship though.

Posted by: EC at September 27, 2013 01:28 PM (doBIb)

124 dementia is different from Alzheimers; McCain seems to have both

Posted by: Pepe Loco at September 27, 2013 01:28 PM (omBWL)

125 >>>nothing will ever alter the honor with which comported himself under circumstances that would break most men. Actually, I put giving aid and comfort to the jihadists in Syria up there as an issue.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at September 27, 2013 01:28 PM (23xti)

126 consider the way the DNC leadership talks to their base: The ghey vote: sure whatever, just keep on donating. the Wire vote: sure whatever, just keep on voting in triplicate the union thug vote: sure whatever, just keep on donating the LaRaza vote: sure whatever, just keep on voting in triplicate. Versus the GOP to its base: SoCons: fuck off and die, you're embarrassing us to our gay hairdressers. FiCons: look this isn't the hill to die on, so can u please keep donating? Also, do you know any fabulous hairdressers? Small Business Owners: What? Obama put you out of business? So...that's a no on fundraising? Well, fuck off and die. Big Business: What Obama bought you off by helping put small business out of business? the "we will never vote for you" voting bloc: please please please please tell us you love us.

Posted by: joeindc44 didn't analyze nuthin, just offered his own anecdotal evidence at September 27, 2013 01:28 PM (QxSug)

127 NSA has dirt on him. That is the only explanation for such a monumental FAIL. Also explain Roberts blessing SCOAMFCare. Dead hooker or live boy?

Posted by: rickb223 at September 27, 2013 01:28 PM (ix+5k)

128 maybe OBagy is fifth column

Posted by: thunderb at September 27, 2013 01:28 PM (zOTsN)

129 Simple explanation : McCain is a tool.

Posted by: Dr Spank at September 27, 2013 01:28 PM (9jLim)

130 O'Bagy almost certainly believes that the only history that matters is whatever has transpired in the last 5 years or whatever. As such, she is an imbecile incapable of comprehending anything.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at September 27, 2013 01:28 PM (bc6Q/)

131 No. I don't care what John McCain has or hasn't done as a politician. I don't care how much he pisses me off. His behavior as a POW was amazingly brave, honorable, and makes him four times the man that most people are. These things do not cancel out. I think McCain is a turd these days, but nothing will ever alter the honor with which comported himself under circumstances that would break most men. Diminishing that by claiming he was only able to survive because he was a "sociopath" is uncalled for. Posted by: Jeff B. meh, not so much. everyone has strenghts ans weaknesses. he did suffer great adversity and succeed in surviving, however, he failed miserably as a husband and apparently as a father, even more so as a representative of his contsituents.

Posted by: yankeefifth at September 27, 2013 01:29 PM (Z9EHQ)

132
Oh, Maverick, take me to bed, or lose me forever!
Posted by: Elizabeth O'Bagy





he kissed me under the Syrian wall and I thought, well as well him as another, and then I asked him with my eyes to ask again -- yes

Posted by: Elizabeth O'Bagy

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at September 27, 2013 01:29 PM (kdS6q)

133 Well scouse me.

Posted by: Da Maverick at September 27, 2013 01:29 PM (dvRYt)

134 EC you weren't staring at the ship you were staring at the ship's hologram.  Fess up. 

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at September 27, 2013 01:29 PM (lbpNx)

135 I don't think McCain can get it up anymore. He just wants another feel around the office.

Posted by: [/i][/b]KG at September 27, 2013 01:29 PM (p7BzH)

136 Obagy's a honeypot. Got to be.

Posted by: EC at September 27, 2013 01:29 PM (doBIb)

137 jesus was it ever so obvious so soon that the last candidate was horrible and should have lost as he did?  but does that mean scoamf deserved to win.

Gad.

Posted by: Lady Billingsgate at September 27, 2013 01:29 PM (GdalM)

138 It's easy to see why McCain hired her. They have something in common, letters after their names that are lies.

John McCain (R-AZ)
Elizabeth O'Bagy, PhD

Posted by: Splunge at September 27, 2013 01:29 PM (bKA83)

139

112 -

 

She's youngish, and therefore looks not hideous. 

 

I would think a US Senator could do better, but she's got that kind of face that suggests she's perfected her craft by now. 

Posted by: BurtTC at September 27, 2013 01:29 PM (TOk1P)

140 O/T: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! http://tinyurl.com/oerlww2 "After multiple reports that Sports Illustrated beauty Kate Upton, 21, and former "Dancing with the Stars" pro Maksim Chmerkovskiy, 33, are dating, the two just confirmed their couple status, happily getting photographed holding hands in New York City." (OK, yeah, we all kinda know they never couple outside their caste, but still...)

Posted by: Brother Cavil at September 27, 2013 01:29 PM (naUcP)

141 Flagstaff is nice--7200 ft elevation means you can almost touch the clouds


the rest of the state?   Prescott is okay, everywhere else is burnt umber

Posted by: Pepe Loco at September 27, 2013 01:29 PM (omBWL)

142 and yet he called cruz a wacko bird

Posted by: willow at September 27, 2013 01:29 PM (nqBYe)

143 navycop - Remarkably, I have to go with that.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at September 27, 2013 01:29 PM (aDwsi)

144 Hey John.  I'm a doc for realz.  I even advertise on the radio.

Posted by: Dr. Weldon Shitpanski at September 27, 2013 01:30 PM (wAQA5)

145 136 I don't think McCain can get it up anymore. He just wants another feel around the office.


Cialis.

Posted by: Lady Billingsgate at September 27, 2013 01:30 PM (GdalM)

146 Both McCain and O'Bagy should take up modeling and/or topless protesting. They'd both be less terrible at it.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at September 27, 2013 01:30 PM (bc6Q/)

147
I am more and more ashamed that I voted for the ticket that had John McCain on it.

I skipped that election, (outside of local/state, and congress/senate stuff). Had McShitty won, we'd have boots on the ground in Libya, Egypt, Syria, and probably Mexico City, and Ottawa. And we'd still be saddled with Obamacare, with a side of immigration reform.

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at September 27, 2013 01:30 PM (sCynV)

148 "O'Bagy" must be code for 'snapper' in Arabic, or something

Posted by: Pepe Loco at September 27, 2013 01:30 PM (omBWL)

149 135 EC you weren't staring at the ship you were staring at the ship's hologram. Fess up. I remember a line uttered by that Nietzchean dude: "You know what Andromeda truly wants? An avatar unencumbered by cleavage."

Posted by: EC at September 27, 2013 01:31 PM (doBIb)

150 McCain always struck me more as the flap-eared dimwit from Star Wars.

Posted by: Fritz at September 27, 2013 01:31 PM (UzPAd)

151 Someone check DARPA funding for any projects for 'human micro-hydraulic assist' or similar worded grants.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at September 27, 2013 01:31 PM (lbpNx)

152 112 I haven't seen this chick. Is she doable? Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at September 27, 2013 05:26 PM (23xti) I've only seen her face. Based on that, I vote yes.

Posted by: rickl at September 27, 2013 01:31 PM (zoehZ)

153 here she is http://is.gd/DaQtMe her face looks asymmetrical to me

Posted by: Jones in CO at September 27, 2013 01:31 PM (8sCoq)

154 north rim grand canyon, oak creek, much of northern az is beautiful. McCain not so much

Posted by: willow at September 27, 2013 01:32 PM (nqBYe)

155 84 McCain likes to keep his AQ advisors in the O'Bagy... Posted by: Aaron Burr at September 27, 2013 05:22 PM (uvVb6) well played

Posted by: phoenixgirl @phxazgrl at September 27, 2013 01:32 PM (8JJ6O)

156 GOP congressmen like to hire the young, talented or whatevs. They think it makes them look cool to dems, and they're always too busy with other shit to keep up with the truth about people that the internets dig up.

Posted by: Lady Billingsgate at September 27, 2013 01:32 PM (GdalM)

157 Excerpt from film "Raising (McCain in) Arizona": McCain: Dangit Elizabeth I told you not to inflate your academic credentials like that. O'Bagy: I'm sorry. McCain: Well okay then. (Hires O'Bagy)

Posted by: Glen at September 27, 2013 01:32 PM (YVO43)

158 I think McCain also wants to invade the NCAA, Coors Brewing Co. and New Mexico

Posted by: Jones in CO at September 27, 2013 01:33 PM (8sCoq)

159 ... also announced was Sen. McCain's new economic adviser, Matthew Lesko, and his science policy adviser, Bill Nye.

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at September 27, 2013 01:33 PM (ligos)

160 "Elizabeth is a talented researcher, and... And full of shit, too.

Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at September 27, 2013 01:33 PM (ItfcE)

161 I am sorry did someone say obagy is "applying for her doctorate at another program" or "had joined a program playing doctor"

Posted by: yankeefifth at September 27, 2013 01:33 PM (Z9EHQ)

162 EC  lol   I missed that episode.
Andromeda and Voyager both had alien females who turned into super beings.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at September 27, 2013 01:33 PM (lbpNx)

163 ... also announced was Sen. McCain's new economic adviser, Matthew Lesko


Nice.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at September 27, 2013 01:33 PM (/kI1Q)

164 Oh okay. Yeah I'd hit that. But of course I'd give her a fake phone number and degree.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at September 27, 2013 01:33 PM (23xti)

165 116 didn't he make some noise about retiring after this term? if he is planning to retire, he will really let his freak flag fly on the way out the door Posted by: thunderb at September 27, 2013 05:26 PM (zOTsN) ----------------- Yeah, that's what I'm thinking. He's free to do whatever he likes. And doing Elizabeth O'Bagy is probably one of those things.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at September 27, 2013 01:33 PM (dfYL9)

166 Sen. McCain just hired me to write his autobiography.

Posted by: Stephen Glass at September 27, 2013 01:34 PM (bKA83)

167 One fraud hires another fraud. Color me shocked.

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent at September 27, 2013 01:34 PM (PMGbu)

168 Hey John. I'm a doc for realz. I even advertise on the radio.

Posted by: Dr. Weldon Shitpanski at September 27, 2013 05:30 PM (wAQA5)

 

Well done, Weldon

Posted by: The Jackhole at September 27, 2013 01:34 PM (nTgAI)

169 'These are not the Jihadis you're looking for.' 'Yes, these Jihadis right here, the ones who perpetrated 9/11 and who are trying to rebuild the Caliphate... Alqada, the Taliban, the Muslim Brotherhood, the Alanbar pricks, the ones who took over Egypt (and Libya), orchestrated the Islamist spring, are colonizing Western Civilization, etc.'

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at September 27, 2013 01:34 PM (bc6Q/)

170 His behavior as a POW was amazingly brave, honorable, and makes him four times the man that most people are. These things do not cancel out. I think McCain is a turd these days, but nothing will ever alter the honor with which comported himself under circumstances that would break most men.

And he used that Absolute Moral Authority card as his meal ticket , John Kerry-style, and as an excuse to undermine the country he once served.

Card cancelled.

Posted by: drivebylurker at September 27, 2013 01:34 PM (5ikDv)

171 Bitterness mixed with senility.

Posted by: chique d'afrique, formerly Chelsea, now back to being an actual female at September 27, 2013 01:34 PM (r+7wo)

172 Now I think he is a damaged old man, but if you want to "cancel his card", go get one yourself, hero.

Posted by: Lincolntf at September 27, 2013 01:35 PM (ZshNr)

173 O'Bagy will be played by Jon Lovitz in drag for the movie. Welcome to Pathological Liars Anonymous

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at September 27, 2013 01:35 PM (IesqW)

174 And he used that Absolute Moral Authority card as his meal ticket , John Kerry-style, and as an excuse to undermine the country he once served. Card cancelled. Posted by: drivebylurker might get you beer forever, does not guarantee you a place in the senate.

Posted by: yankeefifth at September 27, 2013 01:35 PM (Z9EHQ)

175 she tried to serve obama well, mccain felt sympathy for her  as he tries to do the same.

Posted by: willow at September 27, 2013 01:35 PM (nqBYe)

176 meh in the end, we know DC is all payoffs, bribes and you scratch my ba..., I'll scratch yours why was she even considered? aka "on the list"

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at September 27, 2013 01:35 PM (IXrOn)

177 I guess he wasn't lying when he said that Meghan was the brains of the family.

Posted by: somebody else, not me at September 27, 2013 01:36 PM (29vnO)

178 Obama talked to Rouhani people. Talked. And he got a fatwa out of it. This is historic.

Posted by: MFM at September 27, 2013 01:36 PM (sOtz/)

179 we'd have boots on the ground in Libya, Egypt, Syria, and probably Mexico City, and Ottawa.

Posted by: Sticky Wicket

"Bomb, bomb, bomb. Bomb Iraaaaan~"
- Sen. McCain

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at September 27, 2013 01:36 PM (ligos)

180 here she is

http://is.gd/DaQtMe

It's a man!

Posted by: toby928© at September 27, 2013 01:36 PM (evdj2)

181 I mentioned this in the morning thread, but if you wish to raise your blood pressure to test the limits of your ObamaCare coverage I have a link for you. I garnered this chart to prove to someone in that thread that McCain intentionally shit-canned his campaign (and Sarah Palin) nearly the exact moment he took the lead in the polls. http://tinyurl.com/JuanAndSarah / your (sic) welcome

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat [/i] at September 27, 2013 01:36 PM (U2UQk)

182 I'm not really a doctor, but we[/] I did stay at the Phoenix Holiday Inn Express last night

Posted by: Elizabeth O'Bagy at September 27, 2013 01:36 PM (/9IC1)

183 McCain always struck me more as the flap-eared dimwit from Star Wars.

Posted by: Fritz at September 27, 2013 05:31 PM (UzPAd)

 

He reminds me of the charachter on ALF

Posted by: The Jackhole at September 27, 2013 01:36 PM (nTgAI)

184 He's comfortable with liars, being one himself.

Posted by: chique d'afrique, formerly Chelsea, now back to being an actual female at September 27, 2013 01:36 PM (r+7wo)

185 >>here she is - http://is.gd/DaQtMe

She looks like she's about 22 yrs old.

Posted by: Lizzy at September 27, 2013 01:36 PM (U6BWX)

186 barrel stopper!

Posted by: Elizabeth O'Bagy at September 27, 2013 01:37 PM (/9IC1)

187 An inability to see his errors might explain how he kept crashing jets.

Posted by: huerfano at September 27, 2013 01:37 PM (bAGA/)

188 He reminds me of the charachter on ALF Posted by: The Jackhol ALF?

Posted by: yankeefifth at September 27, 2013 01:37 PM (Z9EHQ)

189 Hey, leave Ms. O'Bagy alone. Everyone deserves a second chance.

Posted by: Jack Abbott at September 27, 2013 01:37 PM (bKA83)

190 "Narrative: That 'mavericks,' like McCain himself and Not-a-Doctor O'Bagy, are like Luke Skywalker trapped in the Death Star trench"

This is a particular point of McQueeg's psychopathology that the media picked up on a long time ago, and they play him like a Stradavarius with it.

He simply _has_ to be able to think of himself as a maverick bucking the system. He is addicted to it. He can grasp no other form of self-conceptualization.

The media none too subtly rub his tummy with this this at every turn.

He fucks over his own party base and endorses wildly non-conservative policies? The media firehose him with glowing descriptions of His Mavericky Awesomeness. He preens and struts.

He occasionally endorses something conservative-sounding? The media fall silent. There's no positive reinforcement for him. He sulks and glowers.

Posted by: torquewrench at September 27, 2013 01:37 PM (gqT4g)

191

I cant find a bio or a wiki on her.  Only that she was fired for lying about being a Georgetown doctoral candidate.  No mention of college, home town, spouse, nothing

 

her full name is Elizabeth Genghis O'Bagy tho

 

very little info on her other than the lies

 

was she a spook?

 

 

Posted by: thunderb at September 27, 2013 01:38 PM (zOTsN)

192 Other ships that are missing from that poster - JJ Adams' space cruiser from Forbidden Planet plus any ships from Gall Force or Gunbuster!.  And about a zillion others. 

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at September 27, 2013 01:38 PM (lbpNx)

193 it's not complicated - she sucks a mean dick she can even get his ancient peter hopping. she's The Indispensible Woman.

Posted by: BlackOrchid at September 27, 2013 01:38 PM (2up3Q)

194 "175 And he used that Absolute Moral Authority card as his meal ticket , John Kerry-style, and as an excuse to undermine the country he once served. Card cancelled. Posted by: drivebylurker might get you beer forever, does not guarantee you a place in the senate. Posted by: yankeefifth at September 27, 2013 05:35 PM (Z9EHQ) " Power corrupts. McCain, despite his bravery and courage while a POW, allowed the political power he managed to acquire to corrupt him.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at September 27, 2013 01:38 PM (bc6Q/)

195 She knew it was the strawberries.

Posted by: toby928© at September 27, 2013 01:38 PM (evdj2)

196 hos did she come to Leaderships  attention in the first place?

Posted by: willow at September 27, 2013 01:38 PM (nqBYe)

197
she tried to serve obama well, mccain felt sympathy for her as he tries to do the same.

The only thing McCain felt was her ass.

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at September 27, 2013 01:38 PM (sCynV)

198 Daddy got me a new friend to play with me on my Barbie TV studio play set!!!

Posted by: Meghan McCain at September 27, 2013 01:38 PM (/9IC1)

199 9 McCain has finally gone round the bend.. Someone should put him in an assisted living facility and declare him non compos mentis --- "finally gone round the bend"? McSame's been there for quite a while but no one wanted to bring it up because that fucker fights dirty when you endanger his Senate seat. The last two *rational* thoughts I think this guy's had were telling Kerry where to stick his offer to be VP / SecDef as well as bringing in Palin.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at September 27, 2013 01:38 PM (/Crba)

200 is she related to anyone ?

Posted by: willow at September 27, 2013 01:38 PM (nqBYe)

201 "After multiple reports that Sports Illustrated beauty Kate Upton, 21, and former "Dancing with the Stars" pro Maksim Chmerkovskiy, 33, are dating, the two just confirmed their couple status, happily getting photographed holding hands in New York City." **** He looks... hairy.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 27, 2013 01:39 PM (DmNpO)

202 You'd think he would have hired me instead because there are TWO prestigious doctorates that I don't have. I'm twice the candidate that she is!

Posted by: t-bird at September 27, 2013 01:39 PM (FcR7P)

203 obagy is simply making a quick stop as she rides the greyhound on her way to the san fernando valley and a double feature with sydney leathers. or she is giong to secure her future by leaking her sex tape with john mccain and huma abedin.

Posted by: yankeefifth at September 27, 2013 01:39 PM (Z9EHQ)

204 "176 she tried to serve obama well, mccain felt sympathy for her as he tries to do the same. Posted by: willow at September 27, 2013 05:35 PM (nqBYe) " McCain is the most reasonable Democrat in the Senate.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at September 27, 2013 01:39 PM (bc6Q/)

205 Dammit John, she's a think tank intern, not a doctor!

Posted by: Dr Leonard McCoy at September 27, 2013 01:40 PM (/9IC1)

206

"the rest of the state? Prescott is okay, everywhere else is burnt umber"

 

East-Central AZ is great.  Globe.  Show-low.  Alpine.  Nice, up in the mountains, cool, wet. 

 

It's been 20 years since I was there and at that time it didn't seem too touristy or built up.  I hope it's managed to stay that way. 

Posted by: Todd at September 27, 2013 01:40 PM (LA7Cm)

207 again, not to take anything away from McCain's wartime bravery, but he's been kind of a dick in office, especially since he lost to Fucknutz back in '08

Posted by: Jones in CO at September 27, 2013 01:40 PM (8sCoq)

208 >>>might get you beer forever, does not guarantee you a place in the senate.

See, now I agree with this completely. 

Posted by: Jeff B. at September 27, 2013 01:40 PM (n/+FT)

209

seriously,, she only worked as an intern at the institute for a few months and got hired because everybody loved her research

 

which she prolly made up ala Glass

 

no hometown, spouse, college, nothing

 

from thin air

 

and why would anyone believe she was some big time expert at 26?  She must have been a spook

Posted by: thunderb at September 27, 2013 01:40 PM (zOTsN)

210 Looks like McCain is the top target for a primary challenge, assuming he runs for re-electionÂ…

Posted by: The Political Hat at September 27, 2013 01:40 PM (XvHmy)

211 "179 Obama talked to Rouhani people. Talked. And he got a fatwa out of it. This is historic. Posted by: MFM at September 27, 2013 05:36 PM (sOtz/) " Yes, but were Face Book, Twitter, and You Tube involved? Because if not, it's just old and busted.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at September 27, 2013 01:41 PM (bc6Q/)

212 but he's been kind of a dick in office, especially since he lost to Fucknutz back in '08

Posted by: Jones in CO at September 27, 2013 05:40 PM (8sCoq)


He's been a dick a lot longer than that, remember McCain-Feingold?

Posted by: [/i][/b]KG at September 27, 2013 01:41 PM (p7BzH)

213 He reminds me of the charachter on ALF
Posted by: The Jackhol


ALF?

Posted by: yankeefifth at September 27, 2013 05:37 PM (Z9EHQ)

 

It was an old TV show in which the character was ALF ( Alien Life Form 

He liked to eat cats

Posted by: The Jackhole at September 27, 2013 01:41 PM (nTgAI)

214 Anyone remind Jeff B that Benedict Arnold was a hero too? Because he was. Saratoga and other engagements iirc. We don't consider him a hero today. We consider him a selfish treacherous jerk. And that's just the Brits. At least some of us still name our kids Benedict (after the saint, not that other fucker).

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at September 27, 2013 01:41 PM (IesqW)

215 Every single one of those pillow biters that voted for cloture should be primaried

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at September 27, 2013 01:42 PM (23xti)

216 "...and must break free of 'The Empire,' which are the conservatives he despises so palpably."

Even in his delusion he has it back asswards. The GOP is the Empire and the subset of conservatives is Skywalker.

The lengths that SOB will go to get us into war is quite astounding. You know it's getting to the point that honorable men, patriots, would be better off and more righteous not joining the military. Who in their right mind wants to follow the guidance and orders of a decrepit loon? And, no, his war hero card cred is so overdrawn even the Fed can't bail him out.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at September 27, 2013 01:42 PM (eHIJJ)

217 It was an old TV show in which the character was ALF ( Alien Life Form) He liked to eat cats Posted by: The Jackhole I was trying to help you remember the characters name.

Posted by: yankeefifth at September 27, 2013 01:42 PM (Z9EHQ)

218 pride goeth before a fall

Posted by: thunderb at September 27, 2013 01:42 PM (zOTsN)

219 Diminishing that by claiming he was only able to survive because he was a "sociopath" is uncalled for.

Posted by: Jeff B. at September 27, 2013 05:25 PM (n/+FT)

As usual, your reading comprehension sucks donkey cock.

That's not what was claimed asshat. The comment was that it probably helped him survive.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 27, 2013 01:42 PM (/kU/5)

220 So not a doctor Liz is now exempt from Obamacare.

Posted by: gracepmc at September 27, 2013 01:42 PM (rznx3)

221 211 Looks like McCain is the top target for a primary challenge, assuming he runs for re-electionÂ… --- This runs into the problem I brought up in my prior post... that fucker fights dirty when you threaten his Senate seat. JD Hayworth got more response out of McCain in one day then Obama has gotten in 6 years from the campaign to present.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at September 27, 2013 01:42 PM (/Crba)

222 Walid Shoebat did some digging when she was fired:
http://shoebat.com/2013/09/11/obagy-sacked/

He found a bio that had her listed as "Baily O'Bagy" that mentions playing soccer for the Egyptian national team, which would indicate possibly an Egyptian parent (?). Also attended American U. of Cairo to study Arabic.

Posted by: Lizzy at September 27, 2013 01:43 PM (U6BWX)

223 Obama talked to Rouhani people. Talked. And he got a fatwa out of it. This is historic. **** Obama's bragging about talking to Rhouhani but, really, how big a deal is that? Even Geraldo got to talk to him.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at September 27, 2013 01:43 PM (DmNpO)

224 "189 He reminds me of the charachter on ALF Posted by: The Jackhol ALF? Posted by: yankeefifth at September 27, 2013 05:37 PM (Z9EHQ) " Heh. :-)

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at September 27, 2013 01:43 PM (bc6Q/)

225
I cant find a bio or a wiki on her.
Posted by: thunderb



Her deleted bio:

Elizabeth OÂ’Bagy is a Senior Research Analyst at the Institute for the Study of War, where she focuses on Syrian politics and security. She is in a joint MasterÂ’s/PhD program in Arab Studies and Political Science at Georgetown University* and is working on a dissertation on womenÂ’s militancy.

Prior to joining ISW, she received the Critical Language Scholarship to study Arabic at the American School in Tangier, Morocco, and studied Arabic and political science at the American University in Cairo, Egypt. She holds a bachelorÂ’s degree in the Arabic Language and Arab Studies from Georgetown University.


*or not

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at September 27, 2013 01:44 PM (kdS6q)

226
was she a spook?

Posted by: thunderb at September 27, 2013 05:38 PM (zOTsN)


She has to be a plant hired by mccain and kerry , this thing from mccain is a kickback for the damage their fail brought her.

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at September 27, 2013 01:44 PM (AWmfW)

227 "His behavior as a POW was amazingly brave, honorable, and makes him four times the man that most people are."

Duke Cunningham was a brave, accomplished naval aviator in Vietnam. An ace.

However, he eventually turned into a hideously corrupt shitstain.

None of what he did earlier excuses that.

I just tend to net out everything and reckon the good with the bad. Sometimes people who started off with amazingly good, honorable lives end up on-balance crummy by the end.

Posted by: torquewrench at September 27, 2013 01:44 PM (gqT4g)

228 so Genghis is her middle name?  I thought it might have been a maiden name, and O'Bagy her married name.

Posted by: thunderb at September 27, 2013 01:44 PM (zOTsN)

229 Yeah, nothing says "I love eating grubs and beating tortured" like amateur diagnoses of sociopathy. Look, the guy has aged, he's changed, he's thinking of eternity, not today. He shouldn't be in Office but he also shouldn't be stripped of his dignity by revisionist historians with an axe to grind.

Posted by: Lincolntf at September 27, 2013 01:45 PM (ZshNr)

230

if she went to Georgetown School of Arabic Studies its quite likely she is a spook

Posted by: thunderb at September 27, 2013 01:46 PM (zOTsN)

231 He shouldn't be in Office but he also shouldn't be stripped of his dignity by revisionist historians with an axe to grind. --- McCain stripped himself of dignity a long time ago thanks to believing all the bullshit fed to him by his "friends' in the press.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at September 27, 2013 01:46 PM (/Crba)

232 Apparently Iran promised the JEF they'd never build an a-bomb, and JEF believed them. WELL- glad that's settled. Gentlemen!- brandy in the drawing room.

Posted by: Jones in CO at September 27, 2013 01:46 PM (8sCoq)

233 I think McCain is a turd these days, but nothing will ever alter the honor with which comported himself under circumstances that would break most men.

Posted by: Jeff B. at September 27, 2013 05:25 PM

The circumstances broke McCain too. Did you miss that part of his 2008 acceptance speech where he admitted as much?

Jeremiah Denton was a POW and a Senator too. I don't remember him selling out for weekly appearances on Meet the Press

If suffering is what it takes for honor, maybe we should elect 100 patients from the Walter Reed hospital severe burn unit

Posted by: kbdabear at September 27, 2013 01:46 PM (/9IC1)

234 I was trying to help you remember the characters name.

Wasn't "ALF's" name Gordon Shumway?

Posted by: Blanco Basura at September 27, 2013 01:46 PM (YEelc)

235 CIA recruits heavily out of Georgetown.  And if  I were an arab nation, I would too

Posted by: thunderb at September 27, 2013 01:46 PM (zOTsN)

236 "191 "Narrative: That 'mavericks,' like McCain himself and Not-a-Doctor O'Bagy, are like Luke Skywalker trapped in the Death Star trench" This is a particular point of McQueeg's psychopathology that the media picked up on a long time ago, and they play him like a Stradavarius with it. He simply _has_ to be able to think of himself as a maverick bucking the system. He is addicted to it. He can grasp no other form of self-conceptualization. The media none too subtly rub his tummy with this this at every turn. He fucks over his own party base and endorses wildly non-conservative policies? The media firehose him with glowing descriptions of His Mavericky Awesomeness. He preens and struts. He occasionally endorses something conservative-sounding? The media fall silent. There's no positive reinforcement for him. He sulks and glowers. Posted by: torquewrench at September 27, 2013 05:37 PM (gqT4g) " Yes. McCain's "maverickiness" is a manifestation of his egocentrism. (Which is pretty obvious, as I is the first word in 'I'm a maverick!!!111' which is pretty much the extent of McCain's world view.)

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at September 27, 2013 01:47 PM (bc6Q/)

237 >>>Anyone remind Jeff B that Benedict Arnold was a hero too? Because he was. Saratoga and other engagements iirc.

We don't consider him a hero today. We consider him a selfish treacherous jerk.

If John McCain had joined the Viet Cong then this would be a proper analogy.  Benedict Arnold is actually not a comparison you should make lightly: what Arnold did was military treason, not merely "being an asshole who holds political opinions I disagree with." 

Listen: I don't like McCain either.  But let's understand there's a difference between "this guy is a stubborn, nasty old prick who ought to be turned out of office" and "this man has committed treason, which is a death-penalty offense."

Posted by: Jeff B. at September 27, 2013 01:47 PM (n/+FT)

238 mccain, overtly trading on his service, has, over time, sullied his service. his actions his loss.

Posted by: yankeefifth at September 27, 2013 01:47 PM (Z9EHQ)

239 >>>But O'Bagy's piece was largely based on her own witness; that is, she was reporting her eyewitness testimony. Her beliefs, her observations.

Well it's 3 fold.
O'Bagy couldn't have accurately witnessed the entire Syrian rebel army so the conclusion of "They aren't in significant portion radical Islamists" relies on.

1. Her limited direct observation being sufficient to make that conclusion given her knowledge and expertise to make that conclusion.

2. Since the conclusion is not based off of actual witnessed events but expert opinions of an otherwise inadequate subset of witnessed events, her personal disengagement sufficient such that she has no involuntary bias to her opinion, and ...

3. Her voluntary inclination to yield such expert opinion without bias as her rational self wishes to not give advantage to either side. This would first manifest as a strong desire not to misrepresent facts as she knows them.

All three have to be true to trust her. The events shoot down 1, and 2, and put a huge gaping hole in 3. Yet McLame hires her as an advisor.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Laughing Maniacally While Throwing Matches. at September 27, 2013 01:48 PM (0q2P7)

240 Hey Bags do you like shopping at the mall? Bring some Syrian friends.

Posted by: Da Maverick at September 27, 2013 01:48 PM (dvRYt)

241 If suffering is what it takes for honor, maybe we should elect 100 patients from the Walter Reed hospital severe burn unit

Posted by: kbdabear at September 27, 2013 05:46 PM (/9IC1)

I understand your point, but you do realize that that those men would do a better job than the current occupants of the senate.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 27, 2013 01:49 PM (/kU/5)

242 I was trying to help you remember the characters name. Wasn't "ALF's" name Gordon Shumway? Posted by: Blanco not sure but I saw him in a comercial a while ago, looks amazing, does not appear to have aged at all.

Posted by: yankeefifth at September 27, 2013 01:49 PM (Z9EHQ)

243 WTF Arizona.  Sigh.  At least CA elects dyed-in-the-wool lefties who are proud of that.

Posted by: SFGoth at September 27, 2013 01:49 PM (DvFqk)

244 McCain is a turd in human form.

Posted by: Buddha at September 27, 2013 01:49 PM (8NlUk)

245

McCain resisted to the utmost of his ability.  That is the most that is required.  And he resisted far more than most, even if he broke a couple of times.  People are complicated and a man can be a hero in one instance and a total shit in another.  See Oskar Schindler.  I can think he needs to be out of the senate and still find his resistance in those days heroic. 

 

Posted by: thunderb at September 27, 2013 01:50 PM (zOTsN)

246 241 Hey Bags do you like shopping at the mall? Bring some Syrian friends. --- Dude, not funny.

Posted by: Kenyan PM Uhuru Kenyatta at September 27, 2013 01:50 PM (/Crba)

247 The hell of it is, if this silly bint O'Bagy had simply kept her head down for another couple of years, reapplied, and cranked out her doctorate, she would be absolutely untouchable.

She would be ***AN IVY LEAGUE PH.D***.

In a cultural and media environment where such persons are always treated as though they have God Almighty on their private speed dial.

In that scenario, she could have said exactly the same total nonsense that she got in trouble for having said, and no one would say boo about it. Because, ***IVY LEAGUE PH.D***.

Posted by: torquewrench at September 27, 2013 01:50 PM (gqT4g)

248 If suffering is what it takes for honor, maybe we should elect 100 patients from the Walter Reed hospital severe burn unit Posted by: kbdabear at September 27, 2013 05:46 PM (/9IC1) If suffering is sufficient I have some ideas about how he could regain his squandered honor. obagy is even able to some of 'em to him.

Posted by: yankeefifth at September 27, 2013 01:51 PM (Z9EHQ)

249 "204 obagy is simply making a quick stop as she rides the greyhound on her way to the san fernando valley and a double feature with sydney leathers. or she is giong to secure her future by leaking her sex tape with john mccain and huma abedin. Posted by: yankeefifth at September 27, 2013 05:39 PM (Z9EHQ) " Foggy Bottoms. :-P

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at September 27, 2013 01:51 PM (bc6Q/)

250 >>>>How to explain? I don't know.>>>>

I know. It's the same reason McCain sent Sarah Palin out to face two of the most partisan "journalists" he could find and loudly defended Couric and Gibson.

McCain is mentally ill. He has a need to be perverse and to raise his middle finger to everyone who wants him to be reasonable, rational, and responsible.

In other words, he's just another garden-variety Daddy-hater who's spent his ENTIRE life rebelling against Daddy telling him what to do. My father was exactly the same way.

When my father found out he had cancer, he refused to do anything about it, because that would be giving in to Daddy. So instead, he kept it a secret, let it go for two years, and died horribly. I got to chase after him as he ran around the house with no pants on, dripping shit and screaming about cigars he'd bought for his father in 1936.

But!

Dad died with the pride and knowledge that he did things HIS way, and he told all those bastards exactly where they could shove their demands that he behave like a normal human being.

And now he's dead, in the ground with his Daddy, who died over forty years ago. But my father kept him alive the way McCain keeps his father alive.

Don't bother trying to figure out McCain anymore. There's no THERE there.

After my father died, we found that he's bought underwear with a 52-inch waist to accommodate his expanding tumor. That was his plan. Just get bigger clothes.

McCain has the same plan. As his tumor of failure grows, he'll just buy bigger and bigger underwear, shooting the finger at all those Daddies out there trying to tell him to behave.

Posted by: Tacky Adhesive at September 27, 2013 01:51 PM (TJw7K)

251 My friends, you don't have to be afraid of John McCain in the Senate.

Posted by: John McCain on last flickering brain cell [/i] at September 27, 2013 01:51 PM (U2UQk)

252 >>>Duke Cunningham was a brave, accomplished naval aviator in Vietnam. An ace.

However, he eventually turned into a hideously corrupt shitstain.

None of what he did earlier excuses that.

Absolutely correct.  But you can turn that around as well: none of what he did later alters the fact that he was a war hero with a highly accomplished record of service.  His later corruption doesn't diminish his prior heroism, just as his prior heroism doesn't excuse his later corruption.  Disagree?

Posted by: Jeff B. at September 27, 2013 01:51 PM (n/+FT)

253 If you can't disagree with the man without disparaging his far more than you ever did military service, then maybe you should stay away from that topic. His votes suck, his history hasn't changed.

Posted by: Lincolntf at September 27, 2013 01:51 PM (ZshNr)

254 Wasn't "ALF's" name Gordon Shumway? Yes.

Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at September 27, 2013 01:52 PM (ItfcE)

255 Sociopaths are clever. McCain fooled Barry Goldwater. He fooled Ronald Reagan. He has fooled the voters of Arizona for years. "Build the damn fence!" He was lying, he never meant that. He hired O'Bagy out of pure spite, just to prove he could. He is giving the rest of the Republican caucus the middle finger. He's been doing stuff like this for years, and a lot of Republicans have kept quiet about it, because "Crazy Uncle" John was part of their caucus. If he had any real integrity, he would up and change parties, and become a Democrat. That would at least be honest. I think he actually enjoys being the asshole, pissing in the punch bowl. That's who he is. Read about him in "The Nightingale's Song". The rest of his children: One son is a Naval Academy grad, and comports himself honorably as a Naval Officer, as did his John McCain's father and grandfather. Both great men, real patriots. Another son served in the Marines in Iraq, and walked point for his platoon. Plenty brave and honorable. I think his eldest daughter runs the Bud distributorship in Phoenix that is the source of the family money. She is probably plenty smart and normal. Meghan is the egotistical idiot. The stupid runt of the litter. Don't blame the rest of the family that she's demented. John McCain: his children will probably always defend their father, because they would be rat-bastards of human beings if they didn't. But he is crazy as a March Hare, and a pathological liar.

Posted by: Severe Conservative riding Orca at September 27, 2013 01:52 PM (RFeQD)

256 from Lizzy's link; wallid shoebats to setf website.

During her time at ISW, she traveled often to Syria where she earned her reputation as the leading expert on the armed opposition in the Syrian revolution. She has authored a number of publications on the topic including: "Jihad in Syria: The Rise of Jabhad al-Nusra, "Syria Update: Jabhat al-Nusra Aligns with Al-Qaeda", and "Governance in Rebel-Held Syria." She recently gained a Master's in Arab Studies from Georgetown University. Prior to  ISW, she received a Critical Language Scholarship to study arabic in Tangier Morocco and studied Arabic at the American University in Cairo.


Posted by: willow at September 27, 2013 01:52 PM (nqBYe)

257 "206 Dammit John, she's a think tank intern, not a doctor! Posted by: Dr Leonard McCoy at September 27, 2013 05:40 PM (/9IC1) " McCain's Ms. Lewinsky.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at September 27, 2013 01:52 PM (bc6Q/)

258 Fuck McCain. His Vietnam cred is not only used up, but so overdrawn that he owes rebate. What a fucking clown.....

Posted by: Joltin' Joe Goebbels Obamacare® Navigator at September 27, 2013 01:52 PM (7/L50)

259 FTR, the phony fatwa is old. Our president just cited a fatwa. And after bragging about talking to the "Death to America" regime, he pivots to absolutely no negotiations with Republicans. That happened.

Posted by: Beagle at September 27, 2013 01:52 PM (sOtz/)

260 Sometimes I stand in front of the mirror and admire my bipartisanship.

Posted by: John McCain at September 27, 2013 01:53 PM (ygAxO)

261 not sure but I saw him in a comercial a while ago, looks amazing, does not appear to have aged at all.

Not sure if that's his exercise regime or the fact that the only time he's on camera he's got someone's hand up his ass.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at September 27, 2013 01:53 PM (YEelc)

262 Is this Syrian chick cute, because there may be a reason besides his general orneriness and stupidity that McCain wants to keep her around.

Posted by: Trivial Pursuer at September 27, 2013 01:53 PM (/sohm)

263 Not sure if that's his exercise regime or the fact that the only time he's on camera he's got someone's hand up his ass. --- We talking about ALF or McCain?

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at September 27, 2013 01:53 PM (/Crba)

264 President Jones in CO would not have any Ivy League pointy-headed intellectuals in his administration also, he would park his motorcycle up on the porch at the White House, you know, cuz if it rained (does the WH have a garage?)

Posted by: Jones in CO at September 27, 2013 01:54 PM (8sCoq)

265 How to explain John McCain?  He's siding with the terrorists trying to kill us.

Posted by: elaine at September 27, 2013 01:54 PM (4Mzrt)

266 Some people take me seriously.

Posted by: The O'Bagy Hockey Stick at September 27, 2013 01:54 PM (Dwehj)

267 so Jones, no Cruz in a Jones administration?

Posted by: thunderb at September 27, 2013 01:55 PM (zOTsN)

268 I think John McCain has an inability to see his errors. I think his ego precludes such a possibility. It's not that his conclusions about Syria are rendered erroneous by these disclosures about O'Bagy; but he does seem foolish to have relied upon O'Bagy's claims.*

Senility.

Posted by: pep at September 27, 2013 01:55 PM (6TB1Z)

269 If you can't disagree with the man without disparaging his far more than you ever did military service, then maybe you should stay away from that topic. His votes suck, his history hasn't changed. Posted by: Lincolntf at September 27, 2013 05:51 PM (ZshNr) his history before and after his time as a pow is not especially inspiring. he had very little choice about his time in captivity - that was almost binary. his behavior in situations where he had options, not so honorable.

Posted by: yankeefifth at September 27, 2013 01:55 PM (Z9EHQ)

270 "216 Every single one of those pillow biters that voted for cloture should be primaried Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at September 27, 2013 05:42 PM (23xti) " "McCain's/Obama Care's friends."

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at September 27, 2013 01:56 PM (bc6Q/)

271 I keep saying throw them all out and start over, but no one listens to me....

Posted by: Quint&Jessel, Sea of Azof, Bly, UK at September 27, 2013 01:56 PM (DEp/y)

272

Posted by: Jeff B. at September 27, 2013 05:47 PM (n/+FT)

 

McCain  comported himself as a POW as he was supposed to do.  He did hold out for a sufficient amount of time before he signed a confession.  His most positive action was his refusal to be released before others who came before him.   He knew it was because he was the admiral and head of Pacific operations son.   It was hell and he should always be respected for his conduct  as a POW.   But as others have noted,  it does not give you a life time pass for your subsequent actions. 

Posted by: polynikes at September 27, 2013 01:57 PM (m2CN7)

273

May 29, 2013

setf site

Washington, DC–The Syrian Emergency Task Force would like to thank all those involved in making Senator McCain's trip to Gaziantep and to Syria a success, particularly the U.S. Department of State. Senator McCain's visit to Syria signals to the Syrian people that the United States is interested in the wellbeing of the Syrian people and in working towards an end to their suffering.

"We are incredibly grateful for the tireless efforts of the United States Department of State, its agencies, and staff to provide relief aid to the Syrian people while supporting grassroots democracy across Syria. It was a pleasure working with the Department of State in ensuring that the Senator's visit went safely and flawlessly," said SETF Executive Director Mouaz Moustafa.

Posted by: willow at September 27, 2013 01:58 PM (nqBYe)

274 Posted by: Lincolntf at September 27, 2013 05:45 PM (ZshNr)

John McCain is stripping away his own dignity; nobody is doing it for him.

I think everyone here will stipulate his bravery and sacrifice when he was a prisoner in the Hanoi Hilton.

But he was an arrogant prick before Vietnam, and when he returned he continued his entitled behavior. He dumped his first wife and got a trophy wife as a replacement. He was part of the Keating Five, which means he was a crook, and for the past several years he has behaved as if the Republican party and conservatives are his worst enemies.

I hate the bastard because of his sleazy antics, backstabbing behavior, and disloyalty to the people who elected him and supported him.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 27, 2013 01:58 PM (/kU/5)

275 "His later corruption doesn't diminish his prior heroism, just as his prior heroism doesn't excuse his later corruption. Disagree?"

As I said, I reckon this stuff net-net.

I don't diminish or expand either the good or the bad. I just run a plus column and a minus column on each individual and tot everything up at the end of the day.

There was a certain Austrian army corporal who was an absolutely bona fide brave as hell war hero in World War I. Repeatedly ran dispatches under direct, intense enemy fire. Highly decorated. Gassed and temporarily blinded while serving his country.

Posted by: torquewrench at September 27, 2013 01:58 PM (gqT4g)

276 >>>>He hired O'Bagy out of pure spite, just to prove he could. He is giving the rest of the Republican caucus the middle finger.>>>>

Exactly. The Republicans represent his father, the way George W. Bush represented Daddy to millions of deranged Democrats.

Before he was shot down, McCain had a career of riotous binge drinking and tomcatting. He also flew the most dangerous missions he could.

My father picked fights with strangers well into his eighties. What unites all Daddy-haters is their pathological need for conflict. It's their way of beating the hell out of Daddy, which if course they could never really do.

It's called "deflection." These people are incurable.

Posted by: Tacky Adhesive at September 27, 2013 01:58 PM (TJw7K)

277 This harlot is probably the first woman in 30 years to allow John McCain to brush up against her titties.  His head is probably spinning with lust and anti-psychotics.

Posted by: Fritz at September 27, 2013 01:59 PM (UzPAd)

278 I said no Ivy League 'pointy-headed intellectuals'

Posted by: Jones in CO at September 27, 2013 01:59 PM (8sCoq)

279 "221 So not a doctor Liz is now exempt from Obamacare. Posted by: gracepmc at September 27, 2013 05:42 PM (rznx3) " 'If you like your O'Bagy, you can keep your O'Bagy.' -- Chairman Ubama to McCain

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at September 27, 2013 01:59 PM (bc6Q/)

280 "his behavior in situations where he had options, not so honorable."

Posted by: yankeefifth at September 27, 2013 05:55 PM (Z9EHQ)

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http://tinyurl.com/mr29zgq


Posted by: John McCain at September 27, 2013 01:59 PM (ygAxO)

281 The Republicans represent his father, the way George W. Bush represented Daddy to millions of deranged Democrats. Before he was shot down, McCain had a career of riotous binge drinking and tomcatting. He also flew the most dangerous missions he could. My father picked fights with strangers well into his eighties. What unites all Daddy-haters is their pathological need for conflict. It's their way of beating the hell out of Daddy, which if course they could never really do. It's called "deflection." These people are incurable. Why can't he just handle his Daddy issues like Madonna? Wear skanky clothes and make a mockery of himself.

Posted by: bonhomme at September 27, 2013 02:01 PM (yETln)

282 >>>His behavior as a POW was amazingly brave, honorable, and makes him four times the man that most people are

That means he was four times the man that most people are. You are correct, the bad doesn't erase the good. But neither the good the bad. His devotion to service was admirable if not downright heroic. And that deserves respect. However, if he is not similarly devoted to freedom, I have to ask, exactly what was he fighting for? Did he change and lose devotion to the American principals? Or were the ones you and I cherish not the ones he was fighting for? If the answer is the former, he shouldn't be in public office running on the reputation of a man he no longer is. If it's the latter, he's always been my ideological enemy, and while warranted respect for his fortitude, also merits my absolute derision as a POS lying political enemy. "Built the damn fence" indeed. "I'm a solid conservative" indeed. I won't suffer a bald faced liar, nor fail to note the breach of honor, even for one that went through what McCain went through.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Laughing Maniacally While Throwing Matches. at September 27, 2013 02:01 PM (0q2P7)

283 This post and the one previous are just too much to take. You want to laugh at the silliness but cynicism and gallows humor runs out eventually.

This isn't just noise anymore, and NYC voters are going to elect a Sandinista as mayor.

Posted by: Fake Name at September 27, 2013 02:01 PM (C6jNU)

284 Later, all. God bless. :-)

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at September 27, 2013 02:01 PM (bc6Q/)

285 Why can't he just handle his Daddy issues like Madonna? Wear skanky clothes and make a mockery of himself. --- He left that to his chunky daughter.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at September 27, 2013 02:02 PM (/Crba)

286 My father picked fights with strangers well into his eighties. What unites all Daddy-haters is their pathological need for conflict. It's their way of beating the hell out of Daddy, which if course they could never really do.

It's called "deflection." These people are incurable.

Posted by: Tacky Adhesive at September 27, 2013 05:58 PM (TJw7K)

 

I know someone exactly like this, same behavior

Posted by: The Jackhole at September 27, 2013 02:02 PM (nTgAI)

287 There were many Vietnam era POWs who at one time or other found themselves on the wrong side of the law

I don't remember any of them getting a special get out of jail free card "because POW"

But then again, they didn't marry heiresses and get elected to the US Senate

Posted by: kbdabear at September 27, 2013 02:02 PM (/9IC1)

288 Unless he is paying her out of his own pocket, doesnt she have to pass some sort of security check? And wouldn't lying on her CV sort of disqualify her?

Posted by: Jesse Pinkman, PhD Bitches! at September 27, 2013 02:03 PM (T0Pku)

289

I think everyone here will stipulate his bravery and sacrifice when he was a prisoner in the Hanoi Hilton.

I think he was at the 'Planation'.   He may have been transferred to the Hilton afterwards for a short time.  Need to look that up again.

Posted by: polynikes at September 27, 2013 02:03 PM (m2CN7)

290 Unless he is paying her out of his own pocket, doesnt she have to pass some sort of security check? And wouldn't lying on her CV sort of disqualify her? Posted by: Jesse Pinkman, PhD Bitches! well, from what I understand, he is paying her and it is out of his pocket, however, she has to reach in and get the money.

Posted by: yankeefifth at September 27, 2013 02:04 PM (Z9EHQ)

291

I do not want to see McCain work out his daddy issues by twerking

 

I especially do not want to see his v-jayjay

Posted by: thunderb at September 27, 2013 02:05 PM (zOTsN)

292 >>>>Why can't he just handle his Daddy issues like Madonna? Wear skanky clothes and make a mockery of himself.>>>>

But if Madonna had actual power, she'd be as destructive as McCain.

Someone mentioned an Austrian corporal. Are you aware that when Hitler was a child, his father Alois beat him so badly that he had to be hospitalized? On multiple occasions.

Stalin and Saddam had horrendously brutal fathers.

When you hate Daddy, you have to destroy. Every now and them Madonna opens her yap about politics, and it's frightening. It's all about killing, imprisoning, and torturing.

McCain controls his rage a little better, but his purpose is to hurt, not help.

Posted by: Tacky Adhesive at September 27, 2013 02:06 PM (TJw7K)

293 as far as I can tell, the WH does not have a garage. This is crazy! Where will president Jones in CO park his motorcycle? Do an oil change on the F150? If elected, I will add a bitchin multi-car garage with a grease pit and a hydraulic lift.

Posted by: Jones in CO at September 27, 2013 02:07 PM (8sCoq)

294 Since he can't be a Total Hero, he must become Total Villain.

Posted by: Lincolntf at September 27, 2013 02:07 PM (ZshNr)

295 also, Obama's Chrysler 300 was baby blue. I mean whatever Chrysler calls light blue.

Posted by: Jones in CO at September 27, 2013 02:08 PM (8sCoq)

296 no man chooses baby blue for his car's color

Posted by: Jones in CO at September 27, 2013 02:09 PM (8sCoq)

297 yeah this total villain or total hero thing is pretty simplistic.  Life and people are more complicated than that.

Posted by: thunderb at September 27, 2013 02:09 PM (zOTsN)

298 "The more charitable explanation is that he simply liked her during briefings, and took a shine to her, and feels that she shouldn't lose her entire career over a lie."

The lie was her own, and told voluntarily to inflate her own importance. She should lose her career over that. And McCain should lose his, too.

And what of McCain's constituents? They deserve ethical representation, not McCain trying to 'save' a liar from herself.

Posted by: Retread at September 27, 2013 02:10 PM (Oz+LZ)

299 People who were really there, say she wasn't anywhere ...thar she had grossly exaggerated her connections/ observations/ access in Syria .... Which would seem to be consistent with her revealed conduct in grossly exaggerating her credentials in the first place, and multiple, step-down tales until she was flat busted in a total lie. I don't think mccain likes her. I think someone has put this chickie out there, someone with chops, and mccain now does that someone a favor. I it isn't for her sake or his. Maybe someone put her up to it and this is safer than a burn notice. The only thing it isn't, is innocent.

Posted by: Sarahw at September 27, 2013 02:12 PM (LYwCh)

300 257. So basically a linguist dusted with an Arab Studies MA makes one a "leading expert " -- top that with a layer of lie and she becomes one of the brains Congress is afraid will go down the drain if subject to Obamacare. This is lifetime employment for someone who should have been run out of town under cover of sheepskin.

Posted by: gracepmc at September 27, 2013 02:13 PM (rznx3)

301 The lie was her own, and told voluntarily to inflate her own importance. She should lose her career over that. And McCain should lose his, too.

And what of McCain's constituents? They deserve ethical representation, not McCain trying to 'save' a liar from herself.

Posted by: Retread at September 27, 2013 06:10 PM (Oz+LZ)


I dont think she lied on her own , she was playing her role.


Maybe she's a spook.

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at September 27, 2013 02:14 PM (AWmfW)

302 >>>>I know someone exactly like this, same behavior.>>>>

My father told me stories about HIS father, who once went on a fishing trip to Canada. My grandfather got so tan that the Canadians thought he was an Indian.

Every time a Canadian asked him if he was an Indian, my grandfather beat the shit out of him. He spent his entire fishing trip beating up Canadians, and then he bitched for thirty years about the time Canadians thought he was an Indian.

My father picked fights with tattooed Mexican gangbangers who finally took pity on him and just walked away. They couldn't bring themselves to hit a tottering, sheet-white, stick-armed octogenarian with a lizard sack almost a foot long.

Rage defines Daddy haters. When my father went into his final coma, he lay on his bed thrashing for days, shouting and snarling like an animal until he just ran out of rage and ground to a halt.

Believe me: McCain is absolutely unreachable. Put him out of your mind. The only cure for him is when he runs out of rage and grinds to a halt like my father did.

Posted by: Tacky Adhesive at September 27, 2013 02:15 PM (TJw7K)

303 I don't think mccain likes her. I think someone has put this chickie out there, someone with chops, and mccain now does that someone a favor. I it isn't for her sake or his.

Maybe someone put her up to it and this is safer than a burn notice.

The only thing it isn't, is innocent.

Posted by: Sarahw at September 27, 2013 06:12 PM (LYwCh)


Exactly.

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at September 27, 2013 02:16 PM (AWmfW)

304 Late to the thread and haven't read the comments, but my first thought is he's banging her.

Posted by: Y-not at September 27, 2013 02:17 PM (5H6zj)

305 There must be some way outta here said the Jokers to the Thief...

Posted by: Jet Built Around Cannon at September 27, 2013 02:21 PM (4L2D1)

306 >>>>yeah this total villain or total hero thing is pretty simplistic. Life and people are more complicated than that.>>>>

McCain is both. My father was a war hero, but he was also completely mentally ill.

It's not disrespectful to call people out on their dysfunctions. In fact your own mental health demands that you do. Otherwise you get on the Crazy Train with them.

The worst thing people can do is rationalize horrible behavior. You know that McCain is close friends with Kerry, and it's an open secret that McCain had the Swift Boat Veterans stand down when they were about to reveal why Kerry had his medals taken away.

To McCain, revealing Kerry as a fraud is dishonorable, while supporting Kerry and befriending him is honorable.

McCain has it exactly backwards. A functional, healthy society would cast him out.

Posted by: Tacky Adhesive at September 27, 2013 02:22 PM (TJw7K)

307 ML talks to Jake Tapper today... That will make one Hell of a Boob Tube clip..

Posted by: Jet Built Around Cannon at September 27, 2013 02:22 PM (4L2D1)

308 Frauds of a feather flock together. I hope Meaghan likes her future step-mommy.

Posted by: losthusker at September 27, 2013 02:27 PM (rf2q0)

309 The only cure for him is when he runs out of rage and grinds to a halt like my father did. That would be a good but for one thing - he's still in office. If he were retired and out of any position to do further damage to the country and to the Republican Party, few people would give a rat's ass what he says or thinks.

Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at September 27, 2013 02:28 PM (ItfcE)

310 heh.

Congrats, lincolntf . You and JeffB did your usual defense of the indefensible.

Your 4077th Fightin Keyboard medals are in the mail.

Posted by: drivebylurker at September 27, 2013 02:31 PM (5ikDv)

311 "It ain't what you did,what you did is gone. It's what you're doing right now that matters."

Posted by: drivebylurker at September 27, 2013 02:35 PM (5ikDv)

312 >>>>Yeah, nothing says "I love eating grubs and beating tortured" like amateur diagnoses of sociopathy. Look, the guy has aged, he's changed, he's thinking of eternity, not today.>>>>

No he's not. In his mind he's never going to die. People like McCain NEVER think ahead or think of consequences. They live in the present and have their whole lives.

And he hasn't changed. If you look back at his military career, he's exactly the same guy today that he was fifty years ago.

Posted by: Tacky Adhesive at September 27, 2013 02:39 PM (TJw7K)

313 McCain, whatever he may once have been, is no ally to Republicans or Conservatives. He is, OTOH, a staunch ally of Democrats.

Posted by: cormac_mcroadie at September 27, 2013 02:42 PM (b1JUf)

314 For comment 256 . The reason a March Hare is crazy is due to mating season . Dr Carlos Danger

Posted by: DrDrill at September 27, 2013 02:44 PM (2lrkz)

315 Changing parties on Monday.  If McCain is a Republican, I certainly am not

Posted by: aunt56141 at September 27, 2013 03:00 PM (gJ3iZ)

316 How can she be "well respected" after the crap she pulled?

Posted by: Titanium at September 27, 2013 03:11 PM (IgOQg)

317 Two likely reasons: 1. Bagy has good networking connections and someone convinced McCain she deserves a second chance and being decent and not caring about appearances brought her on. 2. Megan wanted an oompa loompa so daddy got her one.

Posted by: Crispian at September 27, 2013 03:24 PM (o7YUL)

318 Doubling down on stupid is a McCain specialty. He really needs to be put down.

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at September 27, 2013 03:59 PM (7mQyC)

319 Hey, go easy on Maverick.. He'll I'd hire her. If only to be inches away from Stacy McCain. Love to pinch those fat.buns in *ahem* you know..a ”doctor”.sorry of way.. I play doctor all the time with da milfs

Posted by: Dr Bob Filner at September 27, 2013 05:02 PM (7YnaR)

320 Good Lord, does anybody read anymore?

Read McCain's own damn book.  Before his A-4 went out from under him, McCain was as completely a self-absorbed, spoiled, pampered, privileged, irresponsible, narcissistic asshole as you'll ever meet.   He had such emotional rage problems as a child his parents would literally have to waterboard him to get him to calm down and breathe.

Cripe, look at the Forrestal fire video.  Jumpin' Johnny is off the nose and out of harm's way lickety split, never a glance back, left or right for any other sailors.  He spent the rest of the fire below decks.  And that's his description of himself.

The five years he spent in Hanoi were the only five in his nearly eighty where he showed a shred of character.

But once he cleared Vietnam, he reverted right back to form, which is what we've been having to put up with for years now.



The five years he spent in the Hanoi Hilton

Posted by: Literati at September 27, 2013 06:44 PM (YBusZ)

321 John McCain thinks so well of himself that he splashed five planes while thinking he was a Fighter Jock.

Posted by: Great Reagan's Ghost at September 27, 2013 07:21 PM (LsJAk)

322 4 how to explain... McCain is a jackass..? Yes, McCain is more D than R.

Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie ® at September 27, 2013 08:15 PM (BDH94)

323 More worrisome to me is that the pronouncements of the State Deparment, which mirror O'Bagy's, are a reflection of the US intelligence community. With the billions of dollars spent on intelligence by the US and its allies, we still have the view that Al Qaeda types are separate from the plain old Jihadists or Salafists, and these groups are totally segregated from the overwhelming numbers of secularists and moderate Muslims befriended by Senator McCain and the US government.

Posted by: davod at September 28, 2013 06:50 AM (dj3iF)

324 John McCain: "Failure is not an option. It's essential." http://www.popehat.com/2013/09/28/john-mccain-failure-is-not-an-option-its-essential/

Posted by: all-powerful warrior who, because of his endurance and inflexible will to win, will go from conquest at September 28, 2013 09:10 AM (2EddW)

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