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January 29, 2013

On Bias, Yet Again
— Ace

TNR's risible goof -- failing to see that Obama was obviously using body-English to psychically influence another one of his many-thousand golf shots, in a hilarious p-shop -- isn't just all fun and games.

It illustrates the blind spots and double standards and political biases of the "objective" press.

Any statement which helps Obama is deemed presumptively true by liberals. No fact-checking needed, no skepticism applied; if it helps Obama, then it must be true, right? After all, Obama's right, ergo, claims which demonstrate he's right have a higher-than-usual chance of themselves being right. Right?

And of course any statement which hurts Obama is deemed presumptively false-- even if it appears superficially true, it's time to put on your skepticism hats and start parsing like the Dickens, to find that fundamental falsity which you're sure lurks somewhere inside it.

You can see this effect in full, uhhh, effect in the various "Fact Checking" columns the liberal press uses to attack Republicans.

Democratic statements tend to only be evaluated on their superficial truthfulness (or truthiness, to use a term I've never liked, but it's useful here). If Obama makes a claim, and on its most superficial reading it's got "truthiness" to it -- even though it's being used in service of making a very tendentious point -- then the Fact Checkers rate it as true.

They presumed it true from the start, and it passed the most superficial once-over, so they're comfortable now calling it "True."

But if a Republican makes a statement about Obama... well then a whole different process is employed.

Now, the statement is presumed false -- and the game is now to simply discover in what way it's false. And you do know, ab initio, it's false -- after all, a Republican said it. Gotta be false.

So now, if you find a Republican statement about Obama that is superficially true, you now have to consider all the implications that may or may not flow from it. And if you can find one implication of the true statement which you deem to be false (or at least arguable), then you now proceed to branding the entire statement "false."

After all, the statement may have been true, but it may mislead you into thinking something else, so the statement is False. *

Glenn Kessler, Politifact, and the rest of the liberal liars never apply this second- or third-order analysis of possible implications when it comes to a superficially true Democratic statement. If the Democrats claim that Paul Ryan "cosponsored" a bill with Todd Akin, for example, they'll label that as "True." They don't bother examining the intended implications of that, such as "Paul Ryan has the same crude beliefs as Todd Akin" and "Paul Ryan hates women." **

Democrats are permitted their untrue implications. Republicans, on the other hand, are not permitted their own tendentious implications.

Or even implications that aren't even fairly present in their claim. The liberal fact-checkers will check, and re-check, and sur-check until they can find something, some tendentious implication, that they don't like, at which point they label the initial statement "false" or "misleading," precisely as they had intended before even bothering to fire up the Google machine.

TNR's goof here (apparently duplicated by the brain trust at Buzzfeed) is superficially laughable -- until you realize the mindset that produced it (and will continue to produce the same error until the end of time itself) is no laughing matter at all.

This stupidity -- this dishonesty -- this low-order conclusion-driven do-not-question-assumptions herd-thinking -- actually shapes our country's political trajectory and ultimately affects our individual fates.

* This is the reason for the well-known, and completely true, phenomenon that parroting back the tendentious claims of your professor will get you a better grade, and disputing his claims will get you a worse one.

When you agree with him, he presumes you're right (after all, you're agreeing with him) and you don't have to bring much evidence or argument to the table to convince him of that which he already believes.

But when you disagree with him -- why, now, he's going to want to see each of your subsidiary premises demonstrated with citations and he'll brook no sloppy logic as you press them.

The media is a liberal professor, and Obama is -- as he's been throughout his life -- the lazy and yet dutifully doctrinaire Apple of the Professor's Eye, gifted with the ability to tell them that which they believed without needing to be told.

And they give him straight A+'s, of course. Only occasionally docking a point here or there just to show they're "fair."

And anyone who disagrees with the Liberal Professor -- well, if you write a sumptuously-cited, impeccably-argued refutation of his beliefs, he'll give you a very grudging B-. Anything short of that and you're looking at a C, D, or F.

** And speaking of Todd Akin -- it was just this sort of thinking (if a claim supports another claim I think is true, that first claim must most likely be true as well) that got him into trouble, and exposed him as a conclusion-driven illogical dummy.

And yet the same liberal press that savaged him for this sort of conclusion-driven non-thinking engages it in with every firing of every synapse.

Posted by: Ace at 10:30 AM | Comments (224)
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1 First?

Posted by: Koenig Jojo at January 29, 2013 10:32 AM (Yv6gq)

2 Congrats Koenig! You can die in peace now.

Posted by: EC at January 29, 2013 10:32 AM (GQ8sn)

3 It's good to be the king.

Posted by: Koenig Jojo at January 29, 2013 10:32 AM (Yv6gq)

4 This will be the only upside to the country imploding Republican and Constitution killing amnesty deal....in ten years all the fucking news will be in Spanish so I can't understand it.

Posted by: Mr Pink at January 29, 2013 10:35 AM (Rh+Np)

5 Anyone remember the Scott Beauchamp stories from TNR? The one about the US army soldier running wild in Iraq, Tokyo drifting in his Bradley IFV and running over dogs, digging up the bones of murdered Iraqi children, etc.

TNR published all those stories without fact-checking shit. They started panicking when several astute blogs, including this one here, started seeing flaws in his story. Then came all the ass covering by TNR, leading up to a conference call with Beauchamp's CO and TNR.

Bob Owens had an awesome takedown of Beauchamp's Bradley exploits on his old blog.

Posted by: EC at January 29, 2013 10:36 AM (GQ8sn)

6 Aww skeet, skeet, skeet, skeet, skeet, skeet!

Posted by: Lil Jon, rapper extraordinaire at January 29, 2013 10:37 AM (uOWHN)

7 Aww skeet, skeet, skeet, skeet, skeet, skeet!

Posted by: Lil Jon, rapper extraordinaire at January 29, 2013 10:37 AM (uOWHN)

8 Die? Pffft. As if. Jojo rolls on. Jojo uses third person.

Posted by: Koenig Jojo at January 29, 2013 10:37 AM (Yv6gq)

9 Die? Pffft. As if. Jojo rolls on. Jojo uses third person.

Posted by: Koenig Jojo at January 29, 2013 10:37 AM (Yv6gq)

10 We should pass laws requireing journalists to document their work.

Posted by: Serious Cat at January 29, 2013 10:37 AM (UypUQ)

11 We should pass laws requireing journalists to document their work.

Posted by: Serious Cat at January 29, 2013 10:37 AM (UypUQ)

12 Not to mention the golf glove in his pocket which would lead one to surmise he was putting ...geez these people make me sick!

Posted by: Jimmy at January 29, 2013 10:37 AM (driXj)

13 Not to mention the golf glove in his pocket which would lead one to surmise he was putting ...geez these people make me sick!

Posted by: Jimmy at January 29, 2013 10:37 AM (driXj)

14 re 4: goody! More women on tv who look like strippers!

Posted by: mallfly at January 29, 2013 10:37 AM (bJm7W)

15 re 4: goody! More women on tv who look like strippers!

Posted by: mallfly at January 29, 2013 10:37 AM (bJm7W)

>>And yet the same liberal press that savaged him for this sort of conclusion-driven non-thinking engages it in with every firing of every synapse.

The Left obviously engages in synapse fire of the circular variety.

Posted by: ontherocks at January 29, 2013 10:38 AM (aZ6ew)

>>And yet the same liberal press that savaged him for this sort of conclusion-driven non-thinking engages it in with every firing of every synapse.

The Left obviously engages in synapse fire of the circular variety.

Posted by: ontherocks at January 29, 2013 10:38 AM (aZ6ew)

18 Christ, you babble on about the "liberal press." and this is going to continue for the next four years. One long post after another, declaiming in your widest throat possible, the evils of the liberal press. You're a conspiracy monger, a truther.

Why don't you just watch Fox all day, and shut the fuck up?

Posted by: Walt Winchell at January 29, 2013 10:38 AM (pxmox)

19 Christ, you babble on about the "liberal press." and this is going to continue for the next four years. One long post after another, declaiming in your widest throat possible, the evils of the liberal press. You're a conspiracy monger, a truther.

Why don't you just watch Fox all day, and shut the fuck up?

Posted by: Walt Winchell at January 29, 2013 10:38 AM (pxmox)

20 Whatevs. I've got Creepshow 2 going in another window. Netflix Streaming will get me through the next four years, I'm convinced of it. Best 7.99 a month I ever spent. The total oblivion to the news that comes with having a nearly endless supply of mindless enertainment is worth many, many times that amount. Wake me for the 2016 primaries.

Posted by: Lincolntf at January 29, 2013 10:38 AM (ZshNr)

21 Whatevs. I've got Creepshow 2 going in another window. Netflix Streaming will get me through the next four years, I'm convinced of it. Best 7.99 a month I ever spent. The total oblivion to the news that comes with having a nearly endless supply of mindless enertainment is worth many, many times that amount. Wake me for the 2016 primaries.

Posted by: Lincolntf at January 29, 2013 10:38 AM (ZshNr)

22 We still support Todd Akin because he was right.............and stuff.

Posted by: Dana Loesch (and her House Husband) at January 29, 2013 10:38 AM (uRumV)

23 We still support Todd Akin because he was right.............and stuff.

Posted by: Dana Loesch (and her House Husband) at January 29, 2013 10:38 AM (uRumV)

24 Who is this Bob Owens guy?

He used to have a blog called Confederate Yankee that was really good. He picked up on the Beauchamp stories and basically singlehandedly dismantled TNR's reporting of them.

Read them here if you have the time. It's pretty damn awesome work.

http://confederateyankee.mu.nu/archives/cat_beauchamptnr.php

Posted by: EC at January 29, 2013 10:40 AM (GQ8sn)

25 Looks like a gaggle of trolls is squatting here...

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars at January 29, 2013 10:40 AM (8Jp6C)

26 Fact Checking Obama statements and Republicans is not the only one s they lie about. If you ever read WaPos fact checking column you'll notice they lie about everything.

Its almost like there is an unwritten rule that they must lie.

Of course, they may be true anyway because WaPo is nothing but a Democrat PR rage anyway.

Posted by: Vic at January 29, 2013 10:40 AM (53z96)

27 Shorter Walt Winchell -

"Everything Ace said is entirely accurate."

Posted by: Waterhouse at January 29, 2013 10:40 AM (xGlYu)

28 Posted by: Walt Winchell at January 29, 2013 02:38 PM (pxmox)

Eat more obama cock.

WAT MORE OBAMA COCK!

CHOKE ON THAT OBAMA COCK!

ALL THE WAY TO THE BALLS BITCH!

TAKE IT!

ALL THE WAY DOWN!

Posted by: jeremiah God Damn Barack Obama the Mother Fucking SCoaMF wright at January 29, 2013 10:40 AM (+OTLF)

29 All those words to say 'bamboozled'.

Posted by: Skandia Recluse at January 29, 2013 10:40 AM (Hl0E3)

30 Posted by: Walt Winchell at January 29, 2013 02:38 PM (pxmox)

If he did that, you'd have no place to post your babble.

Posted by: Tami[/i] at January 29, 2013 10:41 AM (X6akg)

31 I'll root for the Cloverfield Monster. She sent them libtards a runnin.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 29, 2013 10:41 AM (l86i3)

32 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 29, 2013 10:41 AM (8y9MW)

33 obvious troll is obvious. And licks Obama's taint.

Posted by: buzzion at January 29, 2013 10:41 AM (GULKT)

34 my my trolls are out in force today

Posted by: mallfly at January 29, 2013 10:41 AM (bJm7W)

35 Who let the good for nothing troll in up thread,. Or is that yet another sock?

Posted by: Vic at January 29, 2013 10:41 AM (53z96)

36 Ace. When I post a Wall-O-Text (on that blog I don't have), I at least warn people.

http://bit.ly/VlOlH8

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 29, 2013 10:41 AM (8y9MW)

37 Walt Winchell Why dont you go watch Fox news all day and STFU? If you don't like Ace's writing, then don't read here.

Posted by: Ace's unofficial editor at January 29, 2013 10:41 AM (0PiQ4)

38 re 22: so you think it's Gerg..? eww.

Posted by: mallfly at January 29, 2013 10:42 AM (bJm7W)

39 Christ, you babble on about the "liberal press." and this is going to continue for the next four years. One long post after another, declaiming in your widest throat possible, the evils of the liberal press. You're a conspiracy monger, a truther. Why don't you just watch Fox all day, and shut the fuck up? Posted by: Walt Winchell at January 29, 2013 02:38 PM (pxmox) Hey, are you part of the failed Donut empire? Or maybe the Puppet thing. Hmm.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 29, 2013 10:42 AM (l86i3)

40 What is it with Obama and his minions and Fox? Can't handle the truth?

You guys just can't stand a media outlet that refuses to suck Barry's tiny little wang.

Now shoo, Walter. Get back under the stairs.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 29, 2013 10:43 AM (UOM48)

41 25% of Republicans believe Obama is a muslim. About the same believe he was not born in the USA

Posted by: occam at January 29, 2013 10:43 AM (fbUla)

42 trolls can't watch FOX. too much cognitive dissonance, makes their tiny peanut brains shut down

Posted by: mallfly at January 29, 2013 10:43 AM (bJm7W)

43 ergie, I know it sucks to be a physically-unappealing homosexual, but it's not my fault.

Posted by: ace at January 29, 2013 10:44 AM (LCRYB)

44 The subhuman slime calling themselves journalists did far worse than the parody goof today;

MSNBC edited testimony from the father of one of the Newtown victims to make it look like pro gun spectators were heckling him

The whole video shows they were not, but the whole commie journalist guild is screaming their outrage

Outrageous: How the left-wing media lied about Newtown Â‘hecklers

http://tinyurl.com/bjbgcu8

Posted by: kbdabear at January 29, 2013 10:44 AM (wwsoB)

45 Media Matters sucks at hiring trolls.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 29, 2013 10:44 AM (UOM48)

30 Ace. When I post a Wall-O-Text (on that blog I don't have), I at least warn people.

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Your warning is that bit at the bottom where it says "Ace".

Posted by: Citizen Anachronda at January 29, 2013 10:44 AM (NmR1a)

47 re 34: what percent of Dems think Bush could have prevented 9/11 and willingly didn't?

Posted by: mallfly at January 29, 2013 10:44 AM (bJm7W)

48 My mindthoughts seethe with the heaviness of a really heavy thing.

Posted by: Scott 'Rambo' Beauchamp at January 29, 2013 10:45 AM (27KAF)

49 Media Matters sucks at hiring trolls. Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 29, 2013 02:44 PM (UOM4

They need to pray I don't get a Terminal disease.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 29, 2013 10:45 AM (l86i3)

50 Mr. President, would you make love to me?

Posted by: Steve Kroft at January 29, 2013 10:45 AM (DrC22)

51 Lie of the Year 2012: "Fiat/Jeep will make Jeeps in China"

2013: Fiat/Jeep announces: "Fiat/Jeep will make Jeeps in China."

Posted by: forest at January 29, 2013 10:46 AM (L7wZc)

52 Your warning is that bit at the bottom where it says "Ace".

Touche.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 29, 2013 10:46 AM (8y9MW)

53 like Peter Schickele once said, truth is truth, you can't have opinions about truth.

Posted by: mallfly at January 29, 2013 10:46 AM (bJm7W)

54 You know what would be super cool?

Having a golf club that doubles as a shotgun for shooting skeet.

I've got top men working on it right now. Top. Men.

Posted by: Barack Obama at January 29, 2013 10:46 AM (BuSM8)

55 You republicans werent whining about media bias when bush was president. Go back to faux news and live in your cocoon. Out here in the real world the economy is improving, unemployment is decreasing, and most people were happy with Obama that's why he was REEELECTED!! Now get on the back of the bus while he solves immigration and complain like you always do.

Posted by: jill pleskotty at January 29, 2013 10:47 AM (Rh+Np)

56 Mr. President, would you make love to me? Posted by: Steve Kroft at January 29, 2013 02:45 PM (DrC22) No, I'm sorry. Hillary. suck his dick.

Posted by: Barack. at January 29, 2013 10:47 AM (l86i3)

57 "Any statement which helps Obama is deemed presumptively true by liberals. No fact-checking needed, no skepticism applied; if it helps Obama, then it must be true, right? After all, Obama's right, ergo, claims which demonstrate he's right have a higher-than-usual chance of themselves being right. Right?" I think most Americans, conservative and liberal, are not as credulous as you believe. Fifty years ago, people believed just about everything they read or saw, but we live in an age of universal skepticism. Does anyone watch Fox News or MSNBC without several thousand grains of salt handy?

Posted by: Jordan at January 29, 2013 10:47 AM (Hz1zc)

58 This is the flip side of how quoting a liberal accurately is a lie. Making factually true statements that liberals don't like means those statements are a lie. I lost count of how many people told me that Sarah Palin (sorry sorry) said she could see Russia from her house. I did not matter that I could prove that it was Tina Fey who said it, not Sarah Palin. Not only did it not matter, people were furious at me for daring to point out that what they were saying was false. We are at a point where the Left and the Right no longer agree as to what constitutes reality. This is going to be problematic.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at January 29, 2013 10:47 AM (VtjlW)

59 The total oblivion to the news that comes with having a nearly endless supply of mindless enertainment

I'm sympathetic to this idea, and trying to incorporate it in my own life, but let's not forget that's how we came to be ruled by the FSA.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at January 29, 2013 10:47 AM (ZKzrr)

60 5 Anyone remember the Scott Beauchamp stories from TNR? The one about the US army soldier running wild in Iraq, Tokyo drifting in his Bradley IFV and running over dogs, digging up the bones of murdered Iraqi children, etc.

TNR published all those stories without fact-checking shit. They started panicking when several astute blogs, including this one here, started seeing flaws in his story. Then came all the ass covering by TNR, leading up to a conference call with Beauchamp's CO and TNR.

Bob Owens had an awesome takedown of Beauchamp's Bradley exploits on his old blog.
Posted by: EC at January 29, 2013 02:36 PM

Piers Morgan was fired from the Daily Mirror for running photos of Brit troops allegedly committing atrocities on Iraqis which were almost immediately discovered to be fakes.

Morgan still insists that the stories were true.

So was your termination, Piers

Posted by: kbdabear at January 29, 2013 10:47 AM (wwsoB)

61 Damn TFG loves him a camera.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 29, 2013 10:47 AM (piMMO)

62 LETS ABOLISH THE 22nd AMENDMENT

then lets re-elect George Bush.

Why?

Because i want to see every liberal head explode like a ripe watermelon being shot by a double barrel shotgun loaded with rock salt.

Now that would be hilarious.

Posted by: jeremiah God Damn Barack Obama the Mother Fucking SCoaMF wright at January 29, 2013 10:48 AM (+OTLF)

63 Dammit! What happened to Megan McCardle?

Posted by: simpleton at January 29, 2013 10:48 AM (i3pKT)

64 Wow. Ace obviously hit a nerve, there. Now they're reduced to lying about our take on the media when Bush was President. Because we obviously believed that MSNBC, CNN, ABC, NBC, and CBS were all positively propaganda arms of the RNC back then, or something.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 29, 2013 10:48 AM (8y9MW)

65 in which ace pretends that the most powerful people in the world are actually the most oppressed.

The most powerful guy in the US is the SCOAMF, and his 'bots can't get enough of shrieking about how he's a victim because us powerless nobodies don't worship him.

Lawl.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at January 29, 2013 10:49 AM (ZKzrr)

See, I kinda figure every guy either plays golf or he shoots. There's a lot of cross over but the rule generally holds its one or the other that they prefer. Bammy is a golfer.

I'm a shooter. Not that I'm much good, but I can't physically play golf.

Posted by: Bigby's On The Other Hand at January 29, 2013 10:49 AM (3ZtZW)

67 I think most Americans, conservative and liberal, are not as credulous as you believe. Fifty years ago, people believed just about everything they read or saw, but we live in an age of universal skepticism. Does anyone watch Fox News or MSNBC without several thousand grains of salt handy?

Posted by: Jordan at January 29, 2013 02:47 PM (Hz1zc)

Coming from a shithead troll that thinks Obama is not a marxist. Hilarious.

You know he'd probably come for you guns first you little shit, if it weren't for the fact that you would burn down your neighbors houses with them in it if he asked you to.

Posted by: buzzion at January 29, 2013 10:49 AM (GULKT)

68 Now get on the back of the bus while he solves immigration and complain like you always do. Posted by: jill pleskotty at January 29, 2013 02:47 PM (Rh+Np) Hey, there is a bunch of illegals needing white women to rape. I think you have a purpose.

Posted by: Barack. at January 29, 2013 10:49 AM (l86i3)

69 It's all make-believe land for Ace, by this point.and in any case, Obama is popular, fuckheads. Too bad.
Posted by: Walt Winchell at January 29, 2013 02:47 PM

Ohhhh, internet tough guy!

Do you have posters of your heartthrob Barry on your wall like a teeniebopper with Justin Bieber?

Do you write "Walt Obama" with hearts all over the margins of your notebook?

Now go home and get your fuckin' shine box

Posted by: kbdabear at January 29, 2013 10:50 AM (wwsoB)

I totally believe that David Frum retweeted the photo because he got the joke.

Yep.

BRB, reading BridgesForSale dot com.

Posted by: Mama AJ at January 29, 2013 10:50 AM (SUKHu)

71 Posted by: jill pleskotty at January 29, 2013 02:47 PM (Rh+Np)

Your statement is demonstrably racist.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at January 29, 2013 10:50 AM (sbV1u)

72 O/T Breaking at Fox

The U.S. government has approved the sale of U.S. taxpayer-backed A123 Systems to a Chinese company, despite security and economic concerns about sensitive technology changing hands.

Obama at it again.

Posted by: Vic at January 29, 2013 10:51 AM (53z96)

73 Wow. Looks like Ace struck a nerve with this thread.

Panic in Trollville.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 29, 2013 10:51 AM (UOM48)

74 "55 LETS ABOLISH THE 22nd AMENDMENT" I think we should abolish ignorance about amendments, repeal and the Constitutional process first. "Because i want to see every liberal head explode like a ripe watermelon being shot by a double barrel shotgun loaded with rock salt." Then we can abolish ignorance about shotguns and watermelons. If you want to see one explode, rock salt won't do the trick.

Posted by: Jordan at January 29, 2013 10:51 AM (Hz1zc)

75 57 I found another pic of him shooting skeet

http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg277/gigg423/Skeeting_zps1a2dc6ce.jpg

Posted by: gigg at January 29, 2013 02:48 PM (41VCE)

Just aimin' at Bo, for that tender juicy dinner meat. They were all out of wagyu, so he went for wag-you.

Posted by: tcn at January 29, 2013 10:51 AM (VLG62)

76 The really aggravating thing is that those institutions that should be informing the public, particularly the media education complex, instead bend every effort to insure that the low information voter remains that way.

Posted by: WalrusRex at January 29, 2013 10:51 AM (XUKZU)

77 The troll is getting hammered....don't cut and paste his comments, and he will disappear even quicker.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 29, 2013 10:51 AM (GsoHv)

78 How about abolishing ignorance about the Texas legislature?

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at January 29, 2013 10:51 AM (ZKzrr)

79 OT: shocking information bearing on the Boy Scouts controversy -- http://preview.tinyurl.com/b64ypfd

File under "Forbidden Knowledge"

Posted by: beverly at January 29, 2013 10:52 AM (9W6+R)

80 It's all make-believe land for Ace, by this point.and in any case, Obama is popular, fuckheads. Too bad.
Posted by: Walt Winchell

Yeah, he's as popular as W entering his 2nd term.

Posted by: Dr Spank at January 29, 2013 10:52 AM (w+Dvf)

..."TNR's goof here (apparently duplicated by the brain trust at Buzzfeed) is superficially laughable -- until you realize the mindset that produced it (and will continue to produce the same error until the end of time itself) is no laughing matter at all."

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Yeah, Ace.

TNR was so desperate to support the JEF's claim that he "shoots skeet"...they ran with that photo-shopped photo to prop him up.

And they didn't even notice how spazzy it made him look!

'Blind spot', indeed.

And yeah...what it represents, is no laughing matter.

Posted by: wheatie at January 29, 2013 10:53 AM (BZMZX)

82 Same day, different lies. Fuck the MFM.

Posted by: eureka! at January 29, 2013 10:53 AM (HPRku)

83 "72 How about abolishing ignorance about the Texas legislature?" Heh heh. +1, Radish.

Posted by: Jordan at January 29, 2013 10:53 AM (Hz1zc)

84 >>Why does everybody in the "liberal press" contrive to undo them? I'd actually like to find an example in the New York Times in which Republicans are derided and defamed.

Yeah, why don't you go buy yourself a stack and go work on that on the edge of a subway platform.

.......take your time and research carefully, we'll wait.

Posted by: ontherocks at January 29, 2013 10:53 AM (aZ6ew)

85 Panic in Trollville.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 29, 2013 02:51 PM (UOM4

RUN IN CIRCLES AND SCREAM FAUX NEWS!!!! RUN IN CIRCLES AND SCREAM FAUX NEWS!!!!

Posted by: Tami[/i] at January 29, 2013 10:54 AM (X6akg)

You republicans werent whining about media bias when bush was president.

We were pointing out the obvious bias in the press back when your father was haggling with your mother's pimp, kiddo. Hardly a new thing.

Posted by: Grey Fox at January 29, 2013 10:54 AM (VzwgP)

87 Apropos of nothing, how come we have to answer for Akin, but Democrats are never supposed to answer for the crime of Guam tipping?

And wasn't the idiot Akin doing what we're supposed to be doing? A "scientist" said something, so it must be 100% true and don'tyoubelieveinscienceyourightwingwacko.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 29, 2013 10:54 AM (T0NGe)

88 The troll is getting hammered....don't cut and paste his comments, and he will disappear even quicker.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo

That rule of thumb makes too much sense for AoSHQ commenters to follow.

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at January 29, 2013 10:54 AM (xz0nG)

89 Hey.. whatever happened to the idea of infallibility? King Barry I is just like the pope.

So, give the fawning media some slack, Ace.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at January 29, 2013 10:54 AM (f9c2L)

90 I think most Americans, conservative and liberal, are not as credulous as you believe.

Maybe check the results of the last two Presidential elections before you profer stupidity like that, stoner.

Posted by: Waterhouse at January 29, 2013 10:54 AM (xGlYu)

91 Another example:
How the left-wing media lied about Newtown Â‘hecklersÂ’http://tinyurl.com/bzs6dr4

Posted by: sigh at January 29, 2013 10:55 AM (HqGwX)

92 I count three trolls posting here so far. Today must be "double coupon day" at MM.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars at January 29, 2013 10:55 AM (S08dG)

93 Jill - Head back over to Daily Kooks, where the other idiots also believe the "economy is improving" and "unemployment is decreasing". It must be nice to live in that bubble you libtards exist in.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at January 29, 2013 10:56 AM (f9c2L)

94 Test

Posted by: gigg at January 29, 2013 10:56 AM (41VCE)

95 @ 86 they have a sense of doom, just checking out the deep end

Posted by: Clemenza at January 29, 2013 10:57 AM (x59Gv)

96 Suggestion for a better phrase to call em. State Run Media doesn't really fit (except PBS of course) and liberal media is old and tired. MSM doesn't work, implies they are the mainstream and we are a fringe so that is demoralizing. Legacy media is a nice thought but they ain't dying fast enough to save the Republic.

How about Party Media. And call induhvidual 'journalisters' Party Spokeman/Spokewomyn. Because while they aren't government agencies (like they would serve a Republican administration this faithfully...) they are always Party Men.

And not Democrat. No, just The Party because just everybody understands the implication of that phrasing and we can clue the rest in. As in One Party State because every stinking one of them believes it. Even establishment Republicans see themselves as the token opposition, just for show.

Posted by: John Morris at January 29, 2013 10:57 AM (sCRhB)

97 It must be nice to live in that bubble you libtards exist in.

It's called "Inside the Beltway."
Or "On the dole."
Either/or.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 29, 2013 10:57 AM (8y9MW)

98 5 EC,

Buttchump's wife was his conduit IIRC and they were bombing Bush....maybe we should publish the wildest drone jockey stories we can come up with?

Posted by: sven10077 at January 29, 2013 10:57 AM (LRFds)

99 Oh yeah, the libs have a master plan too Mexifornicate the other 48...

Posted by: Clemenza at January 29, 2013 10:58 AM (x59Gv)

100 We are at a point where the Left and the Right no longer agree as to what constitutes reality. This is going to be problematic.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at January 29, 2013 02:47 PM (VtjlW)

------------------------------------------------------

If it looks like reality is alluding them, start telling them about Chompy and Ripper.

Posted by: Soona at January 29, 2013 10:59 AM (Kk3Lm)

101 A well armed Liberal meets a true conservative at the Doom, and...

Posted by: Clemenza at January 29, 2013 10:59 AM (x59Gv)

102 dat media

Posted by: Flapjackmaka at January 29, 2013 10:59 AM (FKQng)

103 People believed Romney would ban tampons. Link in name to Ace at Twitchy on the subject.

Posted by: Mama AJ at January 29, 2013 10:59 AM (SUKHu)

104 96-- A well armed liberal means he is wearing a sweater vest right?

Posted by: gigg at January 29, 2013 11:00 AM (41VCE)

105 Auuughhhh! Just turned on Fox and TFG is blathering.

Someone remind me: What is his little jaunt to Vegas to give another stupid speech costing us?

*rage meter pinging away*

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 29, 2013 11:00 AM (UOM48)

106 Did Bammy post his Master Plan too enslave the White Privileged yet?

Posted by: Clemenza at January 29, 2013 11:00 AM (x59Gv)

107 @ 99 your freedom and your money,

Posted by: Clemenza at January 29, 2013 11:01 AM (x59Gv)

108

It's almost as if the weakminded, once a template is set in their minds, cannot recognize the truth even if it is staring them in the face.

I think this O'Spades person is on to something.

Posted by: jwest at January 29, 2013 11:01 AM (ZDsRL)

109 I count three trolls posting here so far. Today must be "double coupon day" at MM. Posted by: Krebs v Carnot
.......
Naaah.. it's just a slow day over at Daily Kooks.. everyone is leaving and posting a "Ta Ta For Now" diary explaining why.. And know why they are leaving? Because some lefty's actually believe in the 2nd Amendment and have been defending the right to keep arms. It's just too much for some of the whackos, so they are leaving.. lol

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at January 29, 2013 11:01 AM (f9c2L)

110 97 Mama Aj,

Yeah M Aj I've taken to mocking them then congratulating them on their brilliance....

a few assholes even gloat a little if you're quick enough...

"hats off take your fucking bow moonbat"

"ban tampons" when did I decide that was in the platform?

The Koch brothers didn't put it in the newsletter....

*sigh*

we're doomed

Posted by: sven10077 at January 29, 2013 11:02 AM (LRFds)

111 Dont skeet me bro!

Posted by: Clay Akin at January 29, 2013 11:02 AM (AWmfW)

112
Barack Obama is a bi-sexual. Does that count as a plus or minus in liberal land? Just wondering if they would deny it or celebrate it.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 29, 2013 11:02 AM (p/cQy)

113 it's just a slow day over at Daily Kooks.. everyone is leaving and posting a "Ta Ta For Now" diary explaining why.. And know why they are leaving? Because some lefty's actually believe in the 2nd Amendment and have been defending the right to keep arms. It's just too much for some of the whackos, so they are leaving.. lol

Srsly? I haven't been there since before the election.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 29, 2013 11:02 AM (UOM48)

114 @ 103 yeah but do not let them in your perimeter with young children..

Posted by: Clemenza at January 29, 2013 11:03 AM (x59Gv)

115 The skeet thing is more akin to Paul Ryan's faulty memory on his marathon time except that it wasn't a statement in response to the issue of banning all future marathons.

Posted by: polynikes at January 29, 2013 11:03 AM (m2CN7)

116 The most powerful guy in the US is the SCOAMF, and his 'bots can't get enough of shrieking about how he's a victim because us powerless nobodies don't worship him.

Strange ain't it?

Posted by: eleven at January 29, 2013 11:03 AM (KXm42)

117 Ray LewisÂ’ final season and BaltimoreÂ’s run through the AFC to the Super Bowl has been described as destiny or a fateful miracle, but it appears as though LewisÂ’ recovery from a torn triceps was aided by the use of a banned substance. Sports Illustrated reported that among LewisÂ’ many treatments for his torn triceps, suffered Oct. 14, was a deer-antler spray, which is banned by the NFL. Philly.com published quotes from the SI article from phone conversations between Lewis and Mitch Ross, the owner of Â“Sports with Alternatives to SteroidsÂ” (S.W.A.T.S.). According to the quotes, Lewis told Ross to Â“just pile me up and just send me everything you got, because I got to get back on this this week.Â” So a murderer and a cheat?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 29, 2013 11:03 AM (9Bj8R)

118 "The skeet thing is more akin to Paul Ryan's faulty memory on his marathon time." You mean his lie?

Posted by: Jordan at January 29, 2013 11:04 AM (Hz1zc)

119 Ace, You excel at parody and satire and humor. Let the cobs do the politically depressing posts. Your regular commenters excel at parody, satire, and humor aka what is referred to as socking. Write on cultural issues and mockery. And more Hadji!!!!

Posted by: Ace's unofficial editor at January 29, 2013 11:05 AM (0PiQ4)

120 So a murderer and a cheat? Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 29, 2013 03:03 PM (9Bj8R) Was there ever a doubt?

Posted by: Barack. at January 29, 2013 11:05 AM (l86i3)

121 @111 sounds like an ammo order from the Ammo Man..

Posted by: Clemenza at January 29, 2013 11:05 AM (x59Gv)

122 Democratic statements tend to only be evaluated on their superficial truthfulness Fake but accurate!

Posted by: rickb223 at January 29, 2013 11:05 AM (GFM2b)

123 Ray LewisÂ’ final season and BaltimoreÂ’s run through the AFC to the Super Bowl has been described as destiny or a fateful miracle

I'm starting to think the NFL rigs the playoffs like the NBA does.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at January 29, 2013 11:05 AM (ZKzrr)

124 "deer-antler spray" WTF? They don't have that down at Walgreens.

Posted by: Jordan at January 29, 2013 11:05 AM (Hz1zc)

125 Ace: ** And speaking of Todd Akin -- it was just this sort of thinking (if a claim supports another claim I think is true, that first claim must most likely be true as well) that got him into trouble, and exposed him as a conclusion-driven illogical dummy.

*****

Yup. I wish our side would quite tearing ourselves apart over guys like him. It just encourages the media to do it again.

Todd Akin says something monumentally stupid. The media pounces and goes in into destroy mode. We tear ourselves apart debating about if we should dump the guy or not. Akin loses. Repeat.

I mean, the media is the enemy. Are we really winning if we help our enemy destroy one of ours?

Yeah, if we support Akin unconditionally, it can sound like "rah rah cheerleading". I don't really have an answer to that, except to say that it strikes me as a questionable tactic to publicly agree with our enemy in anyway when they are attacking us.

They aren't a free press. They are the enemy. (And yes, when his opponent Claire McFuckstick is discretely supporting him, yeah that's a strong indicator that he is a fuck up and not going to help us. I just wish we could resolve our problem without all the internal fur flying. Maybe that's mission impossible.)

Posted by: Abe at January 29, 2013 11:05 AM (C+qQ0)

126

The preezy is laying it on thick in Vegas today. The hate....it burns.

Posted by: Soona at January 29, 2013 11:06 AM (Kk3Lm)

127 This is not funny or good for the children. I am sending a E-mail to someone at the Whitehouse to let them know. Then when Presdent Obama heers about this we will see who is laughing after this trash site is shut down !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Mary Clogginstein from Brattleboro, Vt and Proud of it !!!!!!!!!! at January 29, 2013 11:06 AM (48wze)

128

Why don't you just watch Fox all day, and shut the fuck up?
Posted by: Walt Winchell at January 29, 2013 02:38 PM (pxmox)

Bwahahahahhaha! The liberal cry. Put some tears with it, baby. Fox is too liberal for me, sorry.

Posted by: Meremortal, watching it burn at January 29, 2013 11:06 AM (1Y+hH)

129 The skeet thing is more akin to Paul Ryan's faulty memory on his marathon time

Not really. Ryan isn't a real runner and wouldn't remember his time from an old marathon when put on the spot (by a friendly interviewer, BTW). Obama's skeet comment was planned and calculated and a lie for a purpose.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 29, 2013 11:06 AM (T0NGe)

130 Preznit Skeeter is hopping back on board his "private jet" and scooting back to DC now.

Envirotards weep.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 29, 2013 11:07 AM (UOM48)

131 ah yes, the press's war on reporting.

Posted by: joeindc44 is now more concerned about Dark Ages 2.0 than Great Depression 2.0 at January 29, 2013 11:07 AM (QxSug)

132

A conservative pro-immigration reform group has issued talking points to Republican lawmakers, telling them to avoid referring to the U.S. citizen children of illegal immigrants as "anchor babies" or calling for the construction of an "electric fence" on the border, among other things.

The talking points, published by Buzzfeed, went out to Republican lawmakers on the Hill as momentum builds for an immigration bill that would legalize most of the country's 11 million illegal immigrants. The memo urges lawmakers to call them "undocumented immigrants" and to avoid terms such as "aliens" or "illegals," which are seen as offensive and dehumanizing. Another phrase to avoid? "Send them all back."

We the legal citizens better watch what we say about the illegals. Up next you better not call bank robbers criminals it might hurt their feelings

Posted by: TheQuietMan at January 29, 2013 11:07 AM (RRVBX)

133 AmishDude @ 81 said:
> And wasn't the idiot Akin doing what we're supposed to be doing? A "scientist"
> said something, so it must be 100% true and
> don'tyoubelieveinscienceyourightwingwacko.

No. The Party will evaluate what the Truth is, Party Scientists will produce the evidence to back it up (since it is of course True they will have little problem doing this, if they fail it is because they are bad scientists) and then you will will be told what you should believe and what is to be done. Forward!

It's right there in the slogan, there is ONE path, the Party will reveal it unto you. Your only task is to follow.

Posted by: John Morris at January 29, 2013 11:07 AM (sCRhB)

134 "deer-antler spray" WTF? They don't have that down at Walgreens. Valu-Rite Pharmacy. Aisle 9.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 29, 2013 11:07 AM (GFM2b)

135 People believed Romney would ban tampons. Link in name to Ace at Twitchy on the subject. Posted by: Mama AJ at January 29, 2013 02:59 PM (SUKHu) That may be the best illustration of what we are discussing. When that supposed ad from the Brady campaign about how rape was over in a minute but murder was a lifetime was going around a few weeks ago, I instantly assumed it was not from the Brady campaign. Sure, it is an accurate portrayal of the logical conclusion of the Brady Campaign position, but I did not for a second think it was real. Romney is going to ban tampons? Obvs must be true.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at January 29, 2013 11:07 AM (VtjlW)

136 111 Ray LewisÂ’ final season and BaltimoreÂ’s run through the AFC to the Super Bowl has been described as destiny or a fateful miracle, but it appears as though LewisÂ’ recovery from a torn triceps was aided by the use of a banned substance.

Sports Illustrated reported that among LewisÂ’ many treatments for his torn triceps, suffered Oct. 14, was a deer-antler spray, which is banned by the NFL. Philly.com published quotes from the SI article from phone conversations between Lewis and Mitch Ross, the owner of Â“Sports with Alternatives to SteroidsÂ” (S.W.A.T.S.).

According to the quotes, Lewis told Ross to Â“just pile me up and just send me everything you got, because I got to get back on this this week.Â”

So a murderer and a cheat?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 29, 2013 03:03 PM (9Bj8R)

Justice would be suspending him from the Super Bowl. It will not happen though. And the story will be buried for the rest of the week.

Posted by: buzzion at January 29, 2013 11:07 AM (GULKT)

137 "They aren't a free press. They are the enemy." Don't like them, don't watch them. Liberal news outlets aren't your enemy any more than Fox News is mine.

Posted by: Jordan at January 29, 2013 11:08 AM (Hz1zc)

138 You ever see a lefty shoot a right handed 12 ga autoloader and get a hot one on the cheek ?......Hysterical !

Posted by: CelticCaptain at January 29, 2013 11:08 AM (7N2jC)

139 Not really. Ryan isn't a real runner and wouldn't remember his time from an old marathon when put on the spot (by a friendly interviewer, BTW). Obama's skeet comment was planned and calculated and a lie for a purpose. Posted by: AmishDude at January 29, 2013 03:06 PM (T0NGe) Then lets stack the lies from his two books written by the terrorist Bill Ayres and TFG makes Ryan look Christ like.

Posted by: Barack. at January 29, 2013 11:08 AM (l86i3)

140

Stupid liberals can't even tell that the photo has nothing to do with guns or skeet shooting. No shooting platform, no eye protection, no ear protection, etc., and so on.

Idjits.

Posted by: Meremortal, watching it burn at January 29, 2013 11:08 AM (1Y+hH)

141 Posted by: Jordan at January 29, 2013 03:04 PM (Hz1zc)

I love what you consider to be a "lie" -- one which serves no purpose even if it were one -- and what you excuse. Keep in mind that Obama IS a lawyer.

A lawyer who created subprime mortgages.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 29, 2013 11:09 AM (T0NGe)

142 How dare you say we are biased? You are just saying that because you are Reich-wing neo-NAZIs that like to drink the blood of persons with color!!1!

Posted by: ABC-NBC-CBS-NYT-CNN-MSNBC coordination group at January 29, 2013 11:09 AM (XvHmy)

143 yeah, that's the thing. on one hand, we're to believe romney lost because he was going to ban tampons. on the other hand, romney picked up a lot more endorsements and middle of the road b-list celeb endorsements than any other GOP candidate in a long time. so, was he awful? Or was GOTV awful? Or what?

Posted by: joeindc44 is now more concerned about Dark Ages 2.0 than Great Depression 2.0 at January 29, 2013 11:10 AM (QxSug)

144 131 "They aren't a free press. They are the enemy." Don't like them, don't watch them. Liberal news outlets aren't your enemy any more than Fox News is mine. Posted by: Jordan at January 29, 2013 03:08 PM (Hz1zc) Liberal news outlets want to publish my address if I engage in behavior they disapprove of. They are the enemy.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at January 29, 2013 11:10 AM (IS2o0)

145 You mean his lie? Posted by: Jordan at January 29, 2013 03:04 PM (Hz1zc)

So then you admit that Obama shooting skeet is a lie.

Since you conflated the two, I mean.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at January 29, 2013 11:11 AM (sbV1u)

146 "I love what you consider to be a "lie" -- one which serves no purpose even if it were one -- and what you excuse. Keep in mind that Obama IS a lawyer." Funny how no one ever misremembers their marathon time to be slower than it actually was.

Posted by: Jordan at January 29, 2013 11:11 AM (Hz1zc)

147 You are just saying that because you are Reich-wing neo-NAZIs that like to drink the blood of persons with color!!1! Posted by: ABC-NBC-CBS-NYT-CNN-MSNBC coordination group at January 29, 2013 03:09 PM (XvHmy) I wouldn't drink that shit. White children only.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 29, 2013 11:11 AM (l86i3)

148 and remember, the media has told the GOP that it's not good form to criticize bias because the media told them so. so, thanks, Candy Crowly for being a co-debate participant in debate #2 and saving obama's bacon, because of truthiness.

Posted by: joeindc44 is now more concerned about Dark Ages 2.0 than Great Depression 2.0 at January 29, 2013 11:11 AM (QxSug)

149 No it's not, I saw a pic of Ole skeet bagging some clay. Its in my handle.

Posted by: gigg at January 29, 2013 11:11 AM (41VCE)

150 Liberal news outlets aren't your enemy any more than Fox News is mine.

There you're absolutely wrong. It is because of Liberal news outlets that our culture could even consider electing the JEF, let alone twice. It is because of Liberal news outlets (and liberals taking over education) that Democrats think they can get away with conflating the ideas of a Right and a Privilege such that "health care" becomes a "right" but self defense becomes a "privilege."

The war is a cultural one, not merely a political one.

The one place you're right, of course, is that Fox News is not your enemy. They have specifically chosen, as much as possible, not to take a side. Which makes them defacto allies of the Democrat Propaganda Media.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 29, 2013 11:12 AM (8y9MW)

151

No I don't mean a lie dickless. I mean he mispoke about a irrelevant topic. Obama intentionally lied about shooting skeet. All the time. For the purpose of forwarding his agenda on gun control.

You lefties can't help but project your character flaws on others. Its what you do.

Posted by: polynikes at January 29, 2013 11:12 AM (m2CN7)

152 I demand to see a video of Obama shooting a shotgun, dammit! He probably closes his eyes as he's pulling the trigger, just like he does when he kisses Michelle.

Posted by: Fritz at January 29, 2013 11:12 AM (/ZZCn)

153

Trolls are freaking out. How dare we insult their God? They can't take it. Policy bothers them less than mockery.

Interesting.

Posted by: Meremortal, watching it burn at January 29, 2013 11:12 AM (1Y+hH)

154 Perhaps TFG, Mooch, and the kids can take a luxurious spring break trip to the South of France, rent another nice villa, and he can photoshop a pic of himself pheasant hunting.

And you know Mooch is eagerly planning another lavish trip soon.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 29, 2013 11:12 AM (UOM48)

155 so, thanks, Candy Crowly for being a co-debate participant in debate #2 and saving obama's bacon, because of truthiness. Posted by: joeindc44 is now more concerned about Dark Ages 2.0 than Great Depression 2.0 at January 29, 2013 03:11 PM (QxSug) You know, that fat commie bitch seems to have fallen off the face of the earth since her world class TFG saving lie. I guess they paid her off handsomly.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 29, 2013 11:13 AM (l86i3)

156 Say Obama gets caught pictured doing a prayer to allah. Would liberal land celebrate that or try to deny it?

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 29, 2013 11:13 AM (p/cQy)

157 51--- "We are at a point where the Left and the Right no longer agree as to what constitutes reality. " Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at January 29, 2013 02:47 PM (VtjlW) THIS. This is the triumph of ideology over philosophy --- in the Marxist sense of the words. "The point is not to understand the world but to change it." "What the philosophers called Truth is only a hierarchical construct." Forward! Our ruling class is diseased.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at January 29, 2013 11:13 AM (C8mVl)

158 146-- I did not read that in the fan fiction erotica.

Posted by: gigg at January 29, 2013 11:13 AM (41VCE)

159

This issue has several levels, all of which make me laugh:

1. TNR didn't even have the sense to question the skeet shooting statement with a request for amplification, like what type of gun.

2. TNR was embarrassed that they were caught swallowing a lie without even blinking, and furthermore whoever edited the piece was too stupid to notice a patently ridiculous claim by TFG.

3. They were already catching flack for the interview, so they desperately went looking for vindication. They were so desperate they didn't even read the web site to see it was a parody.

4. And now they are desperately trying to cover up why they were desperately posting crap.

Yes, only those highly skilled journalists should be respected, not stupid bloggers or the rif-raff who post in comments sections.

Posted by: Miss Marple at January 29, 2013 11:13 AM (GoIUi)

160 Not really. Ryan isn't a real runner and wouldn't remember his time from an old marathon when put on the spot (by a friendly interviewer, BTW). Obama's skeet comment was planned and calculated and a lie for a purpose.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 29, 2013 03:06 PM (T0NGe)

And he actually said "we go skeet shooting all the time." The use of "We" from a narcissistic jackass that uses "I" for every single thing he possibly can. If he really fired a gun he would not be using "We" for that statement.

Posted by: buzzion at January 29, 2013 11:14 AM (GULKT)

161 *facepalm*

Stop. Reposting. The. Damn. Trolls.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at January 29, 2013 11:14 AM (da5Wo)

162 I bet Obama throws a baseball better than Jordan. Is that right Jordan? Are you more of a spaz than Obama?

Posted by: polynikes at January 29, 2013 11:14 AM (m2CN7)

163 "We are at a point where the Left and the Right no longer agree as to what constitutes reality. " Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at January 29, 2013 02:47 PM (VtjlW)

Thank you, I worked very hard for that.

Posted by: Michel Foucault at January 29, 2013 11:14 AM (sbV1u)

164 "But when you disagree with him -- why, now, he's going to want to see each of your subsidiary premises demonstrated with citations and he'll brook no sloppy logic as you press them."

A company I worked for briefly handed out evaluation forms that let the employees grade the managers and the work environment. So the boss said "anyone who gives a single point less than a 5/5 score has to fill out a whole page explaining why." So almost everyone just took the easy route and gave 5/5 scores.

Posted by: fb at January 29, 2013 11:14 AM (1Zoh4)

165 **You know, that fat commie bitch seems to have fallen off the face of the earth since her world class TFG saving lie. I guess they paid her off handsomly.** usually, the left rewards its footsoldiers well. She hasn't hosted SNL yet, how odd.

Posted by: joeindc44 is now more concerned about Dark Ages 2.0 than Great Depression 2.0 at January 29, 2013 11:15 AM (QxSug)

166 Funny how no one ever misremembers their marathon time to be slower than it actually was.

The hell?

Of course they don't. Just like fishermen never "misremember" the one that got away being smaller than it was. Just like people never "misremember" their bowling score being lower than it actually was.

We call that "human nature" and it's part of the fact that all humans have a vested interest in seeing themselves as better than they really are. People may remember accurately, but the ones who do not will tend to "misremember" in their own favor.

Film at 11.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 29, 2013 11:15 AM (8y9MW)

167

The SCOAMT is evil. And all who mindlessly follow him are also.

We are watching the not-so-slow process of a republic turning into a blatant dictatorship.

Posted by: Soona at January 29, 2013 11:15 AM (Kk3Lm)

168 I once caught a fish THIS BIG.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at January 29, 2013 11:16 AM (ZKzrr)

169 Fox News is the enemy of liberals because they don't let lies go unanswered like what was allowed in the past.

Posted by: polynikes at January 29, 2013 11:16 AM (m2CN7)

170 112 Jordan,

no no Paul Ryan's "mystique" I think is what Obambibots call it...

Here is footage of SCOAMF in his blonde MN disguise....

http://youtu.be/5yhqb1Zcwms

"perfect"

Posted by: sven10077 at January 29, 2013 11:16 AM (LRFds)

171 Stupid liberals can't even tell that thephoto has nothing to do with guns or skeet shooting.>>

Well the base photo is of the Camp David Skeet range. Lot's of clues it was Pshop but "nothing" is a little bit strong.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at January 29, 2013 11:17 AM (81UWZ)

172 "The one place you're right, of course, is that Fox News is not your enemy. They have specifically chosen, as much as possible, not to take a side" This is risible. Of course they take a side. They don't even try to hide it, like CNN does. Say what you will about Fox, but I find their open partisanship refreshingly honest in a medium where obfuscation of bias and party affiliation is the norm.

Posted by: Jordan at January 29, 2013 11:17 AM (Hz1zc)

173 Jordan at January 29, 2013 03:08 PM (Hz1zc)

***

You know Jordan, if you keep posting calm, measured responses like that, it makes it hard for me to maintain my bile and bitterness.

Having said that, I will continue to watch them (the media) and bitch because I want to counter their pernicious propaganda.

As far as the "enemy" thing goes,...you can call it a bit of hyperbole. I don't literally want their head on a pike paraded through the street. But they are actively working to subvert me and mine. Call it an "adversarial" position if you like.

Cheers.

Posted by: Abe at January 29, 2013 11:17 AM (C+qQ0)

174 The whys and the wherefores are not even secondary. The secondary issue is that the lies come so easily to these fuckers. The primary problem is the demonization of anyone who dares question the lies. We're rapidly approaching Nineteen Eighty-Four territory. If these stupid motherfuckers don't pull their heads out of their asses soon, this is going to end in blood.

Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at January 29, 2013 11:17 AM (V3kRK)

175 This thread is all over the damn place. Football has been brought up as a relief subject. On the upbeat, the trolls seem to be disappeared. Put up something new, Ace.

Posted by: Ace's unofficial editor at January 29, 2013 11:18 AM (0PiQ4)

176 TNR has a serial problem with making shit up. First Glass, then Beauchamp, now this.

Posted by: Ian S. at January 29, 2013 11:18 AM (B/VB5)

177 As far as the "enemy" thing goes,...you can call it a bit of hyperbole. I don't literally want their head on a pike paraded through the street. Oh, I do.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 29, 2013 11:18 AM (l86i3)

178 Or that Kerry lied about being in Cambodia Gore about being sung the Union Label song as a kid Hillary being named after Sir Edmund Bill Clinton on what the meaning of is is Gore on inventing the internet obama on his entire history yeah, but Ryan's marathon score is a big deal

Posted by: joeindc44 is now more concerned about Dark Ages 2.0 than Great Depression 2.0 at January 29, 2013 11:19 AM (QxSug)

179 We call that "human nature" and it's part of the fact that all humans have a vested interest in seeing themselves as better than they really are. Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 29, 2013 03:15 PM (8y9MW)

THIS. This is why Affirmative Action is so insidious.

Go ahead, read Michelle Obama's senior thesis at Princeton and tell me that is typical Ivy League quality from a senior. Seriously. It was the Ivy League equivalent of Eddie Murphy's Tyrone Green skit.

C-I-L-L My. Landlord.

Or read Obama's thesis from Columbi.....oh, sorry....he's the most brilliant Preezy evah, so of course there would be no proof of that.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at January 29, 2013 11:19 AM (sbV1u)

180 They don't even try to hide it, like CNN does.

Yes. Bill O'Rielly and Greta Van Sustren (or however you spell their names) are huge Conservatives. Yep, that's it.

Yes, Fox's opinion segments are largely dominated by conservatives- guess what, that's what sells for them. Their news coverage is either scrupulously "fair and balanced" (as found by numerous studies over the last several years, most of them trying to debunk that claim), or also left leaning (see: Smith, Sheppard.)

You want to try that again? Or are you still waiting for the 2011 Texas Legislative Session to adjourn?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 29, 2013 11:20 AM (8y9MW)

181 *hanging head low* Speak to soon, did I. Still here, Jordan is.

Posted by: Ace's unofficial editor channeling Yoda at January 29, 2013 11:20 AM (0PiQ4)

182 re: the enemy. We aren't declaring war. We are just recognizing that war's been declared on us. Duh. McCain the Mavericky Mackerel thought his mavericky status with the right kind of people and the NYT would make 2008 a fair fight. Nope, he was too stupid to realize that the media hated him and would try to destroy him. We aren't lowering the discourse by calling the MSM the enemy, we're just facing reality.

Posted by: joeindc44 is now more concerned about Dark Ages 2.0 than Great Depression 2.0 at January 29, 2013 11:20 AM (QxSug)

183 Or that Kerry lied about being in Cambodia
Gore about being sung the Union Label song as a kid
Hillary being named after Sir Edmund
Bill Clinton on what the meaning of is is
Gore on inventing the internet
obama on his entire history

yeah, but Ryan's marathon score is a big deal

Posted by: joeindc44 is now more concerned about Dark Ages 2.0 than Great Depression 2.0 at January 29, 2013 03:19 PM (QxSug)

What difference does it make!!!!!!

Posted by: TheQuietMan at January 29, 2013 11:20 AM (RRVBX)

184 gosh, these guys are right. Fox's commentators and opinion providing opinion segments are biased.

Posted by: joeindc44 is now more concerned about Dark Ages 2.0 than Great Depression 2.0 at January 29, 2013 11:21 AM (QxSug)

185 "yeah, but Ryan's marathon score is a big deal" Of course it isn't. It's just a harmless little lie of the kind people tell every day, utterly unimportant.

Posted by: Jordan at January 29, 2013 11:21 AM (Hz1zc)

186 You know, for years I remembered seeing Prince Fielder hit a home run on my first visit to Miller Park. Told the story to anyone who'd listen. I like stories.

Until last year, when I looked it up in the "every home run in Miller Park history" database and learned....it was Corey Koskie. (His last career major-league HR; he suffered a concussion during the next game and never made it back to the bigs)

I guess this makes me a liar.

Although I really did meet Weird Al in a hallway once.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at January 29, 2013 11:22 AM (ZKzrr)

187 166 Jordan,

Fox "News" takes sides does it...?

Really?

Fox commenters wholeheartedly you are saying Shempf Smiff is a raging Obama hater are you?

Posted by: sven10077 at January 29, 2013 11:22 AM (LRFds)

188 What difference does it make!!!!!! win but you, sir, have no decency. lolz, because if a GOP ever pulld "What difference does it make!!!!!!" the answer would be "tell that to the dead, who depended on you, ma'am. You betrayed a trust and we need to know the truth. The truth is the most important thing. From the truth, we can learn from our mistakes but you hide behind the dead without honoring them by coming clean, by admitting your mistakes. Do it for them, for their families, for america." jesus, how hard is that? I did that in 5 seconds. But stupid senators are all like hurr derr, ok.

Posted by: joeindc44 is now more concerned about Dark Ages 2.0 than Great Depression 2.0 at January 29, 2013 11:23 AM (QxSug)

189

I was hoping TNR had used ace's fake photo from the Korean DMZ. Oh well, can't have everything.

Posted by: Meremortal, watching it burn at January 29, 2013 11:24 AM (1Y+hH)

190

When was the last time Fox News presented forged papers as authentic and did so long after they were proven fake?

When was the last time Fox News reported false stories about a dictator so they could continue with access to the dictator?

For every alleged false story told by the right, I can name a couple of dozen confirmed false stories told by the left. For every alleged bias report by Fox News I can name a hundred by the other networks.

Posted by: polynikes at January 29, 2013 11:25 AM (m2CN7)

191 Remember - republicans are not informed, so much so that within a few seconds we knew that was a photoshop simply because we had all seen that exact Obama golf pictures many times before... but apparently nobody at TNR ever has. Perhaps they should expand their viewing outside just the White House Flickr account.

Posted by: realityman at January 29, 2013 11:25 AM (obXkJ)

192

obama on his entire history

My favorite: Obama's mother and father first met on the bridge at Selma, when Obama was four years old. No mention of whether anyone brought any frankincense or myrrh.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at January 29, 2013 11:26 AM (IDSI7)

193 Oops.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at January 29, 2013 11:26 AM (IDSI7)

194

Try again. Sorry!

Posted by: Jay Guevara at January 29, 2013 11:26 AM (IDSI7)

195 I'll say it again. Jordan would be Adam Baldwin's character in The Patriot. Except he would show no hesitation in setting the church on fire.

Posted by: buzzion at January 29, 2013 11:27 AM (GULKT)

196 That's spot-on, Ace! And you know what else? The jerk at TNR who posted the pic probably wasn't reprimanded or chastened in any way. After all, he was DUPED by a clever conservative photoshopper, which is completely forgivable in their terms. The jerk won't be told "Hey, be more careful next time," or "Don't be so hasty," or "Consider your own prejudices." On the contrary, he'll be told "Don't worry about it, any one of us could have been taken in by such a skillfully deceptive photoshop. Our enemies are sooooo sneaky."

Posted by: gp at January 29, 2013 11:27 AM (+Jpqc)

197 obama on his entire history My favorite: Obama earned his way into harvard law review and was totally an engaged editor in chief and not just some affirmative action recipient who coasted through law school

Posted by: joeindc44 is now more concerned about Dark Ages 2.0 than Great Depression 2.0 at January 29, 2013 11:28 AM (QxSug)

198

The more lib-trolls comment on a post like this, the sillier they look.

More please.

Posted by: Meremortal, watching it burn at January 29, 2013 11:29 AM (1Y+hH)

199 "My favorite: Obama earned his way into harvard law review and was totally an engaged editor in chief and not just some affirmative action recipient who coasted through law school" Romney, on the other hand, pulled himself up by his bootstraps from the mean streets of Detroit and earned his way into Harvard Law by his own efforts.

Posted by: Jordan at January 29, 2013 11:31 AM (Hz1zc)

200 so stupid.

Posted by: joeindc44 is now more concerned about Dark Ages 2.0 than Great Depression 2.0 at January 29, 2013 11:32 AM (QxSug)

201 Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 29, 2013 03:18 PM (l86i3)

***

I remember when we first started working to overthrow Gaddafi. Somebody asked me what I wanted as an end state.

I said that I wanted his severed head on a pike, paraded through the streets of Libya by U.S. soldiers or Marines. I then wanted it tied to the bow of a U.S. warship and sailed back to America, where it would then be suspended by chains from a bridge in a New York city harbor, for all to see, until the gulls had picked all the flesh from the bones.

I hated that fucker.

(Granted, the aftermath of that (Benghazi) may have been too high of a price, but Gaddafi dead with a knife up his ass bothered me not one whit. People who said the brutality of his death somehow rendered the righteousness of his death made zero sense to me.)

Posted by: Abe at January 29, 2013 11:32 AM (C+qQ0)

202

"On his latest trip to the golf course President Obama shot 17 holes-in-one."

If these guys are going to act like the Pyongyang Times, they ought to get it right.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - sees the gods of the copybook headings on the horizon at January 29, 2013 11:32 AM (hLRSq)

203 I'm just what you need when you're about to go in the barrel.

Posted by: the jordan rubber[/i] at January 29, 2013 11:33 AM (ORGYc)

204 Jordan, the difference is that (a) Romney gave his inheritance away and (b) at least he's demonstrated competence on multiple occasions since then.

To quote Hillary, Obama "gave a speech in 2004."

That, frankly, is the extent of his accomplishments. By every conceivable metric, he's a clusterfuck as a President, and according to more than a few liberals, as a human being.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at January 29, 2013 11:34 AM (sbV1u)

205 "(ORGYc)" Never, never reset your IP address because you have a very cool tag.

Posted by: Jordan at January 29, 2013 11:35 AM (Hz1zc)

206 what does it matter!!!2#!2#12123

Posted by: joeindc44 is now more concerned about Dark Ages 2.0 than Great Depression 2.0 at January 29, 2013 11:37 AM (QxSug)

207 193 "My favorite: Obama earned his way into harvard law review and was totally an engaged editor in chief and not just some affirmative action recipient who coasted through law school"

Romney, on the other hand, pulled himself up by his bootstraps from the mean streets of Detroit and earned his way into Harvard Law by his own efforts.

Posted by: Jordan at January 29, 2013 03:31 PM (Hz1zc)

Troll can never ever let the actual truth about his boyfriend Obama stand. He must always redirect it. He did the exact same thing last night when he did not let the fact that he voted for a gun grabbing socialist marxist stand. Jordan is a lying murderous hypocrite like his bf Obama.

Posted by: buzzion at January 29, 2013 11:39 AM (GULKT)

208 Ace is on a roll lately, and the commie MFM can be counted on to provide the daily fodder.

I hope that this Breitbart "Conversation" platform can be leveraged as an effective weapon against these marxist media scumbags because it's only going to get worse until a healthy beat down comes.

They've consolidated their propaganda machine to keep the perpetually clueless and the moochers enlisted.

We need to peel off the winnable assets in what's left of the malleable middle
with the obvious message that their being abused by the Big Liars of the Left.

Posted by: ontherocks at January 29, 2013 11:41 AM (aZ6ew)

209

"President Obama visited a manufacturing site for solar panels and gave the workers direct instruction."

Come on, CBS et al., just adopt it, let yourselves go. You know you want to, and you are already deflowered. Just admit it to yourselves, what you are, and be proud.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - there on Thunder Island! at January 29, 2013 11:41 AM (hLRSq)

210 Romney, on the other hand, pulled himself up by his bootstraps from the mean streets of Detroit and earned his way into Harvard Law by his own efforts.

Unlike the fucking idiot you twice pulled the lever for, nobody ever pretended getting into Harvard Law was Romney's greatest achievement.

Posted by: Waterhouse at January 29, 2013 11:41 AM (xGlYu)

211 "He did the exact same thing last night when he did not let the fact that he voted for a gun grabbing socialistmarxist stand" 1. I don't believe Obama is a Marxist. 2. Although it didn't influence my vote, Obama had the better record on gun control. Still does. Everything Obama is proposing, Mitt Romney already did.

Posted by: Jordan at January 29, 2013 11:43 AM (Hz1zc)

212 Ace of Spades HQ: Come for the foul-mouthed talking sandwich posts, stay for the lengthy think-pieces.

Posted by: Jeff B. at January 29, 2013 11:46 AM (OQZWo)

213

"On his latest trip to the golf course President Obama shot 17 holes-in-one."

If these guys are going to act like the Pyongyang Times, they ought to get it right.

Five time first-round draft MLB choice!

Posted by: Jay Guevara at January 29, 2013 11:47 AM (IDSI7)

214 25% of Republicans believe Obama is a muslim. About the same believe he was not born in the USA

really? see #40. democrats by larger margins believe bush conspired with terrorists to bring down the twin towers as well as lied about weapons of mass destruction, apparently conspiring with every intelligence agency on earth, held by the iraqi regime in an effort to get us into a war because, uh, wars are good politics or something...oh, and someone's getting rich by pumping out all the iraqi oil or selling rifles to somebody or something, you know, because it was a sure way to win more elections.

and yet compare that to your dubious assertions, which even if true, are hardly surprising considering the inside book cover of obama's own freaking book said he was kenyan so are we to believe obama or obama? i'm confused. oh, and weren't one or two members of his family muslim and communist. most families in the US consider you to belong to the religion of your parents; again, hardly difficult to see why people are curious as to where his latest beliefs currently lie seeing as his recent career seems to be a contradiction to his upbringing, education, and positions pre-national stage politics.

Posted by: matt foley at January 29, 2013 11:47 AM (X69df)

215 "foul-mouthed talking sandwich posts" The foul language here is indeed out of control.

Posted by: Jordan at January 29, 2013 11:48 AM (Hz1zc)

216 And the troll proves it again. He can't let the fact that he supports a gun grabbing socialist just stand on its own. Must always deflect. Has to fantasize.

Posted by: buzzion at January 29, 2013 11:49 AM (GULKT)

217 MFM delenda est.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's mobile at January 29, 2013 11:49 AM (fKyp3)

218

1. I don't believe Obama is a Marxist.

Because he doesn't have the intellect to understand Marxism?

Well, you make a good point.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at January 29, 2013 11:49 AM (IDSI7)

219 >>>The foul language here is indeed out of control.

Perhaps you don't remember Johnny Coldcuts, it's been awhile since he's been taken out of mothballs. The tone of the blog does seem to have shifted a little bit since those days, to be fair. Perhaps the siege mentality we've all felt during the Obama years playing a role in that.

Posted by: Jeff B. at January 29, 2013 11:51 AM (OQZWo)

220 In all fairness, I would not claim TNR pretends to be objective news reporting. TNR is an opinion magazine, the same as National Review is an opinion magazine. They sometimes run "investigative" or news reporting type pieces, but they do not pretend to be objective news reporters a la NBC or CNN.

Posted by: Monkeytoe at January 29, 2013 11:51 AM (sOx93)

221 You know, I comment about the media being the enemy. Then I have second thoughts about that. Maybe they aren't the "enemy".

Then they write this shit...and make me look the fool.
Outrageous: How the left-wing media lied about Newtown Â‘hecklersÂ’

I take it back. They are the enemy. They are seeking to take away my civil rights. Just like the KKK tried to take away the rights of blacks.

The KKK was the enemy. So is the media.

Despicable.

God damn them to hell.

Posted by: Abe at January 29, 2013 11:54 AM (C+qQ0)

222 214 In all fairness, I would not claim TNR pretends to be objective news reporting. TNR is an opinion magazine, the same as National Review is an opinion magazine. They sometimes run "investigative" or news reporting type pieces, but they do not pretend to be objective news reporters a la NBC or CNN.

Posted by: Monkeytoe at January 29, 2013 03:51 PM (sOx93)

You must have missed the post yesterday http://minx.cc/?post=336978 where the new owner claimed that TNR would not be liberally biased. So yes they are attempting to pretend that they are objective and unbiased.

Posted by: buzzion at January 29, 2013 11:57 AM (GULKT)

223 "deer-antler spray"

WTF? They don't have that down at Walgreens.

Valu-Rite Pharmacy. Aisle 9.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 29, 2013 03:07 PM (GFM2b)

So ol' Ray was trying to get himself some Bambi pussy? That's perverted. Next thing you'll be telling me he killed some guy.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 29, 2013 12:04 PM (29+x5)

224 All this analysis boils down to one thing: They are them, and you're not. It's an exercise in raw power. Many scores will be settled in the Burning Time.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at January 29, 2013 12:10 PM (evdj2)

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