November 21, 2013

On Healthcare Reform The GOP Needs To Embrace The Fierce Urgency Of Shutting Up
— DrewM

Each day seems to bring a new polling low for Obama and a new disaster for ObamaCare. The GOP is seeing a corresponding rise in the polls. From this morning's NRO Morning Jolt.

"Loyalty prevails among partisans, but among independents, 42 percent trust the Democratic Party more when it comes to handling healthcare compared with 58 percent who trust the Republican Party more."

Unfortunately some will see this is as a signal the GOP needs to offer an alternative approach to ObamaCare. People who publicly advocate this course of action should be locked in a basement until after the 2014 elections.

The public isn't suddenly enamored of the GOP, they just really hate Obama and the Democrats at the moment. As soon as you start offering detailed examples of what the GOP would do you make the conversation about which approach is better. You invite people to make a choice. And just because they really don't like the Democrats approach doesn't mean they will like the GOP's.

More to the point, why in the world would you give the Democrats an out on this stuff? Right now the conversation is only about how the Democrats have lied and made a hash out of a system, that while imperfect (though it looks better now than ever), seemed to work for most people.

One reason opposition to ObamaCare didn't really kick into high gear until now is the damage was theoretical. Democrats could talk about keeping people on insurance until 26 and outlawing pre-existing conditions and on and on. All opponents could offer was projections that most people didn't follow or really understand (I'm talking about mushy-moderate/swing voter types). These low information voters could just write it off to "partisian bickering". Well, now they can't hide from it anymore.

The last thing the GOP should want to do is take the focus off the real and concrete pain people are seeing and turn the conversation back into a theoretical He says/She says political fight over competing theories of governance.

Right now the GOP is standing firmly with the maximum number of people possible. Once they start talking about hard policy options with potential downsides (as all policy choices have for some), you start to peal away part of the existing number of ObamaCare opponents/GOP supporters. Nothing tangible has been won against ObamaCare yet, this is not the time to start forcing people to begin making choices again. They are choosing to hate Obama and ObamaCare, the GOP should let them do it in peace. Don't fall into the trap that just because people don't like ObamaCare they will like the GOP alternatives.

Yes, the Democrats will say "they don't have a plan!" So? The retort is simple, "Our plan is to undo the damage that Democrats have done with their unworkable scheme to take your health insurance away from you. We will fight to make sure you are once again able to have an insurance plan you like and keep the doctors you trust. We stand with you in your desire to be free from the incompetents in Washington who can't even make a website work but think they know better than you what's right for you and your family!".

The GOP's healthcare reform message is going to have to be carried by it's nominee in 2016. There's no point in trying to have hundreds of candidates for Congress running on all sorts of different plans that will never be signed into law by Obama.

A simple message (Hope! Change!) is what resonates with people. (Remember: In 2008 Democrats ran on "reform". In fact, Obama ran against the individual mandate. Details don't matter in campaigns.)The conservative healthcare wonks and Democrats in the media will insist on seeing the GOP's "detailed plan to do better than ObamaCare". Do not listen to them. You start talking about pre vs. post tax dollars, risk pools and things that make up an actual plan and you lose people. They. Don't. Care. They want to be able to go to their doctor and feel better. Promise you will make that possible and remind them that the Democrats are taking that away. Bash the Democrats over the head with each new horror story, pass symbolic bills that Obama won't sign like Upton's, then sit down, shut up and let the Democrats stew in their own mess.

Posted by: DrewM at 06:22 AM | Comments (218)
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1 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channeling Breitbart at November 21, 2013 06:22 AM (nUH8H)

2 I coulda been a contender!

Posted by: New Coke Insurance at November 21, 2013 06:24 AM (Ph479)

3 See Hot Air for the exact sentiment...which is what it looks like Cruz and the GOP are going to do, going forward..(Forward?)

Posted by: Stewie Griffin at November 21, 2013 06:25 AM (4mTwY)

4 Let it burn.

Posted by: YourPoopyPants at November 21, 2013 06:25 AM (Y/HG5)

5 Word.

Posted by: WisRich at November 21, 2013 06:25 AM (hdpay)

6 post;
Yes, the Democrats will say "they don't have a plan!" So? The retort is simple, "Our plan is to undo the damage that Democrats have done with their unworkable scheme to take your health insurance away from you. We will fight to make sure you are once again able to have an insurance plan you like and keep the doctors you trust.

and asked about the millions more that lost their insurance?

will employers assist in this fight, or Be grateful they no longer have to funnel out huge amts for healthcare. What about the Insurance companies being paid subsidies for new enrollies?
how do we stop this fkn train?

Posted by: willow at November 21, 2013 06:25 AM (nqBYe)

7 is it too early to drink?

Posted by: willow at November 21, 2013 06:26 AM (nqBYe)

8 We could start by putting a gag on Miss lindsay and that Mongrel Rove.

Posted by: 7 Days in May at November 21, 2013 06:26 AM (j6DTo)

9 I really have nothing to add to this. It's spot on- when your opponent is busy making a mistake, don't get in his way.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channeling Breitbart at November 21, 2013 06:26 AM (nUH8H)

10 Pardon me kind sir, may I fap now? I just punched a hole through my pencil drawer..

Posted by: Stewie Griffin at November 21, 2013 06:27 AM (4mTwY)

11
REPEAL

IMPEACH

Posted by: Parker at November 21, 2013 06:27 AM (YkW3i)

12 Ssssssssssssssssss...

Posted by: The Fuse on the Employer Mandate Bomb at November 21, 2013 06:27 AM (yQwq5)

13 Spot on, Drew. Please Republicans, for just one election, take a page from the Democrats playbook and just bitch, without putting a target out there for the MFM to lie about. The message for this election is The Democrats suck, and they're racist liars to boot.

Posted by: toby928© insists on talking about robots at November 21, 2013 06:28 AM (QupBk)

14
Situation: We find outselves in a deep hole.

The "plan": Stop digging.

Posted by: Purp[/i][/b][/s] at November 21, 2013 06:28 AM (Xlbr8)

15 Can we talk about how Enroll America navigators are working to build voter info bases

Posted by: thunderb at November 21, 2013 06:28 AM (cjEHB)

16 They ARE doing something right. Today they're moving on an energy bill: http://beta.congress.gov/bill/113th/house-bill/1900 "Natural Gas Pipeline Permitting Reform Act - Amends the Natural Gas Act to direct the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission (FERC) to approve or deny a certificate of public convenience and necessity for a prefiled project within 12 months after receiving a complete application that is ready to be processed." 22 co-sponsors, all GOP w/ exception of Jim Matheson, Utah's sole Democrat Congresscritter. (The one Mia Love will be challenging again.) I'd like to see the GOP move on more things like this, designed to help working Americans withstand the Obamacare Economy. Every time they propose something like this they need to tie it into Obamacare. Tell Americans that since Obama won't let them repeal Obamacare, they are going to try to help Americans' household budgets via energy price reductions, tax cuts, and the like.

Posted by: Y-not at November 21, 2013 06:28 AM (zDsvJ)

17 anyway just goes to show when govt gets involved  in healthcare it's anything but healthcare.

Posted by: willow at November 21, 2013 06:28 AM (nqBYe)

18

Absolute guarantee that the GOP screws the pooch on this.

 

It's who they are.

Posted by: Drill_Thrawl at November 21, 2013 06:29 AM (Z7toi)

19 Y-Not and coal  for other states.
Jobs!

Posted by: willow at November 21, 2013 06:30 AM (nqBYe)

20 The major flaw in you plan, Drew?  Limited opportunities to go on Sunday talk shows to have your ass kissed and ego stroked.

Posted by: Joe at November 21, 2013 06:30 AM (7pOq5)

21 You want a simple message? "Return to Peace. Return to Prosperity. Return to Sanity."

Posted by: Brother Cavil, upholstering his throne of skulls at November 21, 2013 06:30 AM (naUcP)

22 time to clean house.

mine and theirs.

Posted by: willow at November 21, 2013 06:31 AM (nqBYe)

23 If this strategy brings more of me, then I am all for it.

Posted by: Extreme Pain at November 21, 2013 06:31 AM (Tb01R)

24 The last thing the GOP should want to do is take the focus off the real and concrete pain people are seeing Sweep the leg! Curbstomp them! Make it hurt.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 21, 2013 06:31 AM (ix+5k)

25 Yes, the Democrats will say "they don't have a plan!" So? The retort is simple, "Our plan is to undo the damage that Democrats have done ..." You are off the Gingerbread Cottage Day card list.

Posted by: RNC at November 21, 2013 06:31 AM (Ua6T/)

26 I don't think I've seen a policy clusterfuck on this kind of epic scale in my lifetime. And the funny thing is, it was ENTIRELY PREDICTABLE.  The law was literally designed to cause the chaos that it has caused.

And the most amazing thing about it is that nobody in Dogeater's entire administration seems to have given a moment's thought to how they would handle it when the bomb finally detonated.

WTF?

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 21, 2013 06:31 AM (yQwq5)

27

is it too early to drink?

 

We stopped?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b] at November 21, 2013 06:32 AM (0HooB)

28 Another advantage of the silence: the media is currently saying "Element X of 404care sucks" instead of "Some Republican critics say Element X of 404care sucks."

Posted by: AMDG at November 21, 2013 06:32 AM (eFytx)

29 Dems announce they are going to call any republican plans Cruz Care

Posted by: thunderb at November 21, 2013 06:32 AM (cjEHB)

30 The major flaw in you plan, Drew? Limited opportunities to go on Sunday talk shows to have your ass kissed and ego stroked.


My friendsshh...

Posted by: Sen. John McCain at November 21, 2013 06:32 AM (yQwq5)

31 is it too early to drink?

Posted by: willow at November 21, 2013 10:26 AM (nqBYe)

::: pours Cosmo through the USB port :::

Posted by: Sean Bannion[/s][/i][/u][/b] at November 21, 2013 06:32 AM (6T8Ay)

32 Repubs need to designate official talking heads who have the ability to not put their foot in their mouth. Of course Cruz comes to mind, Lee as well. John McCain and Peter King need to STFU. Not much needs to be said at this point,  let it percolate!!



Posted by: dan a nj con formerly known as dana nj con at November 21, 2013 06:33 AM (wmU4G)

33 So the new normal is to be a cipher and ride the crazy swinging pendulum. Team R's cipher is better!

Posted by: bonhomme at November 21, 2013 06:33 AM (6qlHs)

34 Drew is right in my opinion. When the GOP steps on it's dick what will the excuse be?

Posted by: nip at November 21, 2013 06:33 AM (jI23+)

35

I think it was linked here a couple of days ago.   A story about commie totalitarianism.  At the end of the article the author said that Robert Conquest was asked whether he wanted to re-title "The Great Terror" for its re-issue, and he said, yes, call it

 

"I told you so, you fucking fools!"

 

Which should be our OCare mantra.  You didn't need to be a policy analyst to know they would bollocks this up, you just had to know that the government couldn't do this well and had no business trying anyway.

Posted by: Frumious Bandersnatch at November 21, 2013 06:33 AM (A0sHn)

36 anyway just goes to show when govt gets involved in healthcare it's anything but healthcare. It was never about healthcare. I mean, even if you take them at their word, health INSURANCE != healthcare. But if you look at their actions and their policies, it's about power and control. Some of the scariest things in life are healthcare related- cancer, heart attack, stroke, other major illness. But then there are those chronic or long-lasting "minor" diseases- high blood pressure, high cholesterol, ADHD, psych issues (depression, for example). The Democrats played the demagogue game perfectly and scared people into believing that "at any moment, you could face these bills without help!" Well, now we need to do the same thing: "Thanks to ObamaCare, you could find yourself unable to afford insurance just when you need it most..."

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channeling Breitbart at November 21, 2013 06:34 AM (nUH8H)

37
Republicans suffer from Wemustdosomething-itis.

Posted by: soothsayer at November 21, 2013 06:34 AM (vzLhi)

38 The Dems beat the shit out of the R's in 2006, 2008, and 2012 by never offering a specific plan.

Posted by: RoyalOil at November 21, 2013 06:34 AM (VjL9S)

39 is it too early to drink?

Posted by: willow at November 21, 2013 10:26 AM (nqBYe)

Water, tea, soda, coffee?  Yes.

Bourbon, scotch, whisky, vodka, tequila, et al.?  Nope.

*Pours willow some deliciousness*

Posted by: Washington Nearsider at November 21, 2013 06:34 AM (fwARV)

40
some will see this is as a signal the GOP needs to offer an alternative approach to ObamaCare.



If you can't access the article, it's by the National Review's Yuval Levin and Ramesh Ponnuru, and they also discuss it over at NRO:

http://tinyurl.com/mm8o6e4

And they apparently think Screwball Andy Sullivan is worth discussing the issue with, so they also do that -- at length.

National Review -- Subscribe Now!

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at November 21, 2013 06:34 AM (kdS6q)

41

sit down, shut up and let the Democrats stew in their own mess.

 

This.

Posted by: Conservative Crank at November 21, 2013 06:34 AM (sQ0LB)

42 As John Nolte from Breitbart pointed out on twitter, any GOP plan will receive more press scrutiny in a week than Obamacare did in 4 years.  Don't.  Do. It.

Posted by: buzz at November 21, 2013 06:34 AM (i27M5)

43 Drew is right in my opinion. When the GOP steps on it's dick what will the excuse be?

Posted by: nip at November 21, 2013 10:33 AM (jI23+)

Knowing Karl Rove, the excuse will be that the dick was too big and kept getting in the way.

Posted by: Sean Bannion[/s][/i][/u][/b] at November 21, 2013 06:34 AM (6T8Ay)

44 >>19 Y-Not and coal for other states. Jobs! Yep. Seriously, they should press their advantage and propose middle class tax cuts and corporate tax rate decrease. Make the Dems vote down trying to help alleviate working Americans' financial woes caused by higher insurance rates, higher deductibles, and less work.

Posted by: Y-not at November 21, 2013 06:35 AM (zDsvJ)

45 Perfect advice but you know people such as Sen McCain and Rep Peter King won't be able to contain themselves. These are the losers the GOP must shut up if they are to take back the senate. Already McCain is on every news program offering fixes, the jackass.

Posted by: Styro at November 21, 2013 06:35 AM (MheaI)

46 >>Can we talk about how Enroll America navigators are working to build voter info bases.

Yes - It is staffed by former Obama WH and campaign people and Sebelius was "asking" health insurance CEOs to donate to them last Spring. It is OFA:Healthcare edition.

Posted by: Lizzy at November 21, 2013 06:36 AM (JRmiD)

47 *Pours willow some deliciousness*  Posted by: Washington Nearsider at November 21, 2013 10:34 AM (fwARV)

That phrase came with some....uh.... uhhhh.......odd visuals.

Now I'll start drinking.

Posted by: Sean Bannion[/s][/i][/u][/b] at November 21, 2013 06:36 AM (6T8Ay)

48 Knowing Karl Rove, the excuse will be that the dick was too big and kept getting in the way.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at November 21, 2013 10:34 AM (6T8Ay)

Rove hasn't seen his dick in seven years.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider at November 21, 2013 06:36 AM (fwARV)

49 Just
Stand
Back, stupids....

Posted by: backhoe at November 21, 2013 06:36 AM (ULH4o)

50 18 Absolute guarantee that the GOP screws the pooch on this. It's who they are. Posted by: Drill_Thrawl at November 21, 2013 10:29 AM (Z7toi) Lost two Senate seats and possibly the Presidential election because two candidates couldn't shut the fuck up.

Posted by: D-Lamp at November 21, 2013 06:36 AM (bb5+k)

51 Wise advice.

Posted by: Tonawanda at November 21, 2013 06:36 AM (mE1l+)

52

Dems announce they are going to call any republican plans Cruz Care

 

Now there's a golden opportunity if there ever was one. Cruz could offer up free-market solutions  and tort reform, interstate portability and reduced red  tape and watch the Dims freak out.

 

After all, he has a lot more in the  way of that gravitas stuff now.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b] at November 21, 2013 06:37 AM (0HooB)

53
Bash the Democrats over the head with each new horror story, pass symbolic bills that Obama won't sign like Upton's, then sit down, shut up and let the Democrats stew in their own mess.

Good plan, Drew; I concur wholeheartedly.

(Now if you'll excuse me, I must now pinch myself to see if I'm dreaming)

Posted by: soothsayer at November 21, 2013 06:37 AM (Y4TdB)

54 That phrase came with some....uh.... uhhhh.......odd visuals.

Now I'll start drinking.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at November 21, 2013 10:36 AM (6T8Ay)

You're welcome.  But get your own deliciousness.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider at November 21, 2013 06:37 AM (fwARV)

55 As John Nolte from Breitbart pointed out on twitter, any GOP plan will receive more press scrutiny in a week than Obamacare did in 4 years.

They never bothered to report on any of the GOP plans proposed in 2009/2010, just showed the ad--during the newscasts--of Paul Ryan killing an old lady.  Pretty sure that would be the intellectual depth and heft of any "scrutiny" a new alternative plan would receive.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at November 21, 2013 06:37 AM (ZKzrr)

56 The Democrats built Obaaamacare and it is a multi-level outhouse in the 21st century.

There is nothing to "fix." There is nothing that can be done to make it better.
-------
That's the answer to "what would you do?"

Posted by: RoyalOil at November 21, 2013 06:37 AM (VjL9S)

57 You're welcome. But get your own deliciousness.


Oh, I will.  Yes, I do believe I will.

Posted by: Sean Bannion[/s][/i][/u][/b] at November 21, 2013 06:38 AM (6T8Ay)

58 Just Stand Back, stupids.... JSBS.

Posted by: rickb223 at November 21, 2013 06:38 AM (ix+5k)

59 "Yes, the Democrats will say "they don't have a plan!" So? The retort is simple, "Our plan is to undo the damage that Democrats have done with their unworkable scheme to take your health insurance away from you." " Thank you! I've been saying this for months, now. Repealing ObamaCare reduces prices/costs, increases access, and improves care.

Posted by: NotCoach at November 21, 2013 06:38 AM (rsudF)

60 time to clean house.

mine and theirs.

Posted by: willow at November 21, 2013 10:31 AM (nqBYe)



*prepares French Maid outfit for willow*



Posted by: EC at November 21, 2013 06:39 AM (GQ8sn)

61 Totes OT, but another Kennedy getting away with murder? Michael Skakel to be released from prison.

Posted by: Ma Bell at November 21, 2013 06:39 AM (RLdcX)

62 Works for me.

Posted by: CPT. Charles at November 21, 2013 06:39 AM (lJaja)

63 *prepares French Maid outfit for willow*

Posted by: EC at November 21, 2013 10:39 AM (GQ8sn)

Hmmmm, I see you do have a redeeming quality.  

Carry on.

Posted by: Sean Bannion[/s][/i][/u][/b] at November 21, 2013 06:40 AM (6T8Ay)

64

Though I would rather the push be for full repeal and have that repeated over and over,   I don't  think simply sitting on the sidelines hoping that Obamacare will hurt enough people that it will  implode,  is the best thing to do in terms of political optics.     This is a case where the GOP  really  has to   play three dimensional chess.   They must appear to be  looking for a solution that will help people  without  stopping the momentum of the crash that crush the Democrats.     Whether they are competent enough to do this is to be seen.   I have to say though,  so far so good.  

 

And back to my first recommendation to push for repeal,   this must be accompanied  by  the fact that Obamacare is applied  unevenly  and those that are forcing people onto Obamacare are they themselves exempt.    This is the LIV  dog whistle.  

 

 

Posted by: polynikes at November 21, 2013 06:40 AM (m2CN7)

65 Make the Dems vote down trying to help alleviate working Americans' financial woes caused by higher insurance rates, higher deductibles, and less work. I really like this plan. As an added level of goodness, the Republicans can then stick the knife in a little deeper by saying, "The Democrats demand more time for ObamaCare to work. Fair enough, not everything works perfectly at first. Until then..." (Or something along those lines). Then the Democrats either have three options- the safest would be just to agree to Republican plans. The other two are: * Positively affirm their support for ObamaCare by saying "no such stop-gap measures are needed" * Actively reject helping "and the middle class"

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channeling Breitbart at November 21, 2013 06:40 AM (nUH8H)

66 42 As John Nolte from Breitbart pointed out on twitter, any GOP plan will receive more press scrutiny in a week than Obamacare did in 4 years. Don't. Do. It. Posted by: buzz at November 21, 2013 10:34 AM (i27M5) Which is why we need to get Liberals out of the News filtering system.

Posted by: D-Lamp at November 21, 2013 06:40 AM (bb5+k)

67 *prepares French Maid outfit for willow*

Posted by: EC at November 21, 2013 10:39 AM (GQ8sn)

You let her wear an outfit???

Posted by: Washington Nearsider at November 21, 2013 06:40 AM (fwARV)

68 Change It Back!

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b] at November 21, 2013 06:40 AM (0HooB)

69 The Sioux tribe in North Dakota is sitting on a fortune of oil and natural gas reserves. They are currently extracting these resources from Gaia using various techniques including the "evil" fracking. What to do what to do.....

Posted by: Left wing dilemna alert! at November 21, 2013 06:41 AM (Tb01R)

70 If drews strategy is to be followed, then the 2016 nominee better have a plan. Pre-obamacare healthcare costs and future projections were unsustainable. Millions, including me, have lost insurance subsequently. I need the government to do something to undo this disaster and enact real reforms that allow a vibrant individual market to thrive.

Posted by: California red at November 21, 2013 06:41 AM (L39bP)

71 Hmmmm, I see you do have a redeeming quality.

Carry on.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at November 21, 2013 10:40 AM (6T8Ay)


*points*


Velcro!

Posted by: EC at November 21, 2013 06:41 AM (GQ8sn)

72

100% agreement Drew.

 

At some point we'll need to do more - either come up with a conservative alternative or challenge the "heath care crisis" narrative that wins  empathetic  suburban voters - but not now.

Posted by: CJ at November 21, 2013 06:41 AM (9KqcB)

73 You let her wear an outfit???

Posted by: Washington Nearsider at November 21, 2013 10:40 AM (fwARV)

Annnnnnnd I'm out!

Bunk

BRB

Posted by: Sean Bannion[/s][/i][/u][/b] at November 21, 2013 06:41 AM (6T8Ay)

74

To respond with a plan, and to the cries of "they don't have a plan!!!!", is tantamount to agreeing there is a problem that needs fixing and, AND, will be spun as agreement on the specifics of the problem.

Let It Burn. While, of course, expressing concern for those unfortunate constituents that were bamboozled and hoodwinked by the Liar-in-Chief and his consorts in the Congress.

Posted by: steve walsh at November 21, 2013 06:41 AM (qRZ5f)

75 Each day seems to bring a new polling low for Obama and a new disaster for ObamaCare. Every morning is Christmas Day & Santa is passing out shiny new schadenboners daily!

Posted by: rickb223 at November 21, 2013 06:41 AM (ix+5k)

76 You let her wear an outfit???

Posted by: Washington Nearsider at November 21, 2013 10:40 AM (fwARV)



I'm not a complete brute.



Posted by: EC at November 21, 2013 06:42 AM (GQ8sn)

77
I don't know what's more exciting, watching Reid lie in his creepy-ass-pedophile-whisper or watching the big Boeing takeoff from a short strip in Wichita.

oh. hahahahaha, now Reid is quoting from "scripture."

*not The Bible, scripture

Posted by: soothsayer at November 21, 2013 06:42 AM (NLH1M)

78 * Positively affirm their support for ObamaCare by saying "no such stop-gap measures are needed" * Actively reject helping "and the middle class" Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channeling Breitbart at November 21, 2013 10:40 AM (nUH8H) yeah that first bullet point is.."contradicted by individual experiences" I think most voters realize that now, so it's a non starter.

Posted by: tsrblke PhD(c) (No really!) at November 21, 2013 06:42 AM (GaqMa)

79 Dear Lord in Heaven, Please let the GOP do this, " Bash the Democrats over the head with each new horror story, pass symbolic bills that Obama won't sign like Upton's, then sit down, shut up and let the Democrats stew in their own mess." Sincerely Drew and the misanthrope.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humantiarian at November 21, 2013 06:42 AM (HVff2)

80
I'm not a complete brute.

Posted by: EC at November 21, 2013 10:42 AM (GQ8sn)

Hm... Noted...

We should ask willow.

WILLOW:  Which do you prefer - cleaning the house in a French maid outfit or cleaning the house sans any outfit?

Posted by: Washington Nearsider at November 21, 2013 06:43 AM (fwARV)

81 The retort is simple, "Our plan is to undo the damage that Democrats have done with their unworkable scheme to take your health insurance away from you. We will fight to make sure you are once again able to have an insurance plan you like and keep the doctors you trust. We stand with you in your desire to be free from the incompetents in Washington who can't even make a website work but think they know better than you what's right for you and your family!".

--

Can you please put this on a chip and implant it into Boehner and McConnell's brains?  This kind of statement would simply bury the Democrats.  It would resonate strongly because the pain is here and people are so pissed.  And if they're not yet, they will be. 

Posted by: Lady in Black at November 21, 2013 06:43 AM (XB5Ak)

82 After Reid goes nuclear DO NOT bitch. Then after 2014 when you eliminate all filibusters they can't scream hypocrisy.

Posted by: Memo to GOP leadership at November 21, 2013 06:43 AM (Tb01R)

83 @AllenG, Although I've noticed that by trying to draw comparisons to medicare part D, they seem to be opting for the "no stop gaps needed" point. @EC I made a snarky reply to you in the other thread. It's meaningless.

Posted by: tsrblke PhD(c) (No really!) at November 21, 2013 06:43 AM (GaqMa)

84 oh. hahahahaha, now Reid is quoting from "scripture."

*not The Bible, scripture

Posted by: soothsayer at November 21, 2013 10:42 AM (NLH1M)

 

Are you saying that the Necronomicon is not scripture, you anti-religious bigot?

Posted by: Harry Reid at November 21, 2013 06:43 AM (+H/11)

85 58
Just
Stand
Back, stupids....


JSBS. Posted by: rickb223

Thanks- added to my stylebook....

Posted by: backhoe at November 21, 2013 06:45 AM (ULH4o)

86 WILLOW: Which do you prefer - cleaning the house in a French maid outfit or cleaning the house sans any outfit?

Posted by: Washington Nearsider at November 21, 2013 10:43 AM (fwARV)



Sometimes, a little mystery is nice!

Posted by: EC at November 21, 2013 06:45 AM (GQ8sn)

87 People who publicly advocate this course of action should be locked in a basement So. You're saying I'm allowed to locked people in a basement now, right? *gets out The List* Mwahahaha. Mwahahahahahahahahahahahaha. The Ravage will be so happy to have new playthings.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at November 21, 2013 06:45 AM (VtjlW)

88
See what Reid's doing here? He's not gonna use the 'nuclear option,' he's just gonna humiliate and brow-beat the Republicans into submission.

Will the R's fold?
Yeah, probably.

Posted by: soothsayer at November 21, 2013 06:46 AM (ZgBZU)

89 Is a ravage like a small Rancor? I mean if you can keep it in a basement...

Posted by: bonhomme at November 21, 2013 06:47 AM (6qlHs)

90 @EC
I made a snarky reply to you in the other thread. It's meaningless.


Can you bullshit your way through a job interview?  Do you know how to sound like you know what you're talking about?


Posted by: EC at November 21, 2013 06:47 AM (GQ8sn)

91 Drew is right for the moment. Of course we should milk this debacle for all it's worth. However, we need to learn lessons from the democrat playbook. You get your policies passed when people are scared and confused, begging for a leader and a plan to step forward. All you need to do is figure out what that plan is. Drew is also correct in advising that republicans keep promises broad and general at this point. Everything our side says should be geared toward saving the public from the terrible mess that Obama and his incompetent party have made. But in the background, at the think tanks and the wonk blogs, a plan needs to be established that we can live with. One that relies on free market principles and the eliminations of thousands of regulations. Never let a crisis go to waste.

Posted by: jwest at November 21, 2013 06:48 AM (u2a4R)

92 All youse mooks fappin' over this stuff.....pace yourselves. The really good schadenfreude hasn't hit yet. Stock up on your favorite lube in the refractory periods, ok?

Posted by: bigpinkfluffybunny at November 21, 2013 06:48 AM (aqORt)

93

Yeah I keep reading (especially from desperate Liberals) that the GOP needs to offer an "alternative" to ObamaCare or JUST SHADDUP or something.

 

Part of the problem with health care costs in this Country is that the Government is ALREADY the largest purchaser of health care, even before BozoCare came into effect. So of course the answer must be MORE Government involvement - right?:

 

WRONG! Government picks winners and losers, and distorts what little of the Free Market exists in health care.

 

The GOP "answer" SHOULD NOT be another new Government program.

There are a few good things about ObamaCare and they should be kept, like the pre-existing condition clause. Otherwise the GOP answer should be to do as little as possible and utilize FREE MARKET reforms. PERIOD!

Posted by: Pelosi Schmelosi at November 21, 2013 06:48 AM (tkLBb)

94 Posted by: EC at November 21, 2013 10:47 AM (GQ8sn) Isn't that the definition of "Moron" (capital M). . I probably could. I mean that's how you get through comps, but past that I haven't had a shit ton of interview experience. (My last real job at the lab the boss was busy, I needed work the interview consisted of "are you OK getting bit by mice? Cool, here's a lab coat."

Posted by: tsrblke PhD(c) (No really!) at November 21, 2013 06:50 AM (GaqMa)

95 Harry Reid is threatening to pass a "nuclear option" in order to confirm a ton of Dem nominees for federal court benches.  The "nuclear option" means ruling out a filibuster.  But if Reid does that, how many defecting Dem senators would it take to pass an ObamaCare repeal law?  Hmmmm.... 

Posted by: mrp at November 21, 2013 06:50 AM (HjPtV)

96 Stock up on your favorite lube in the refractory periods, ok?  Posted by: bigpinkfluffybunny at November 21, 2013 10:48 AM (aqORt)

I just got the text from Amazon that my 55 gallon drum of Astroglide will be delivered today.

So I'm good.

Given the current status of the Obamacare meltdown, that should last me, oh.....maybe a week.

Posted by: Sean Bannion[/s][/i][/u][/b] at November 21, 2013 06:50 AM (6T8Ay)

97 I saw 'The Fierce Urgency Of Shutting Up' open for 'Big Audio Dynamite' at The Whisky in 1993

Posted by: Tim Scott at November 21, 2013 06:50 AM (Pr6hk)

98 I made a snarky reply to you in the other thread. It's meaningless. Can you bullshit your way through a job interview? Do you know how to sound like you know what you're talking about? Posted by: EC If you answered "Yes", a government job may be in your future!!

Posted by: rickb223 at November 21, 2013 06:50 AM (ix+5k)

99
incidentally, if the Republicans were smart they'd be out there mentioning the "record highs" on Wall Street under obama AND the very high unemployment for Black men under obama

Posted by: soothsayer at November 21, 2013 06:51 AM (vzLhi)

100 I am seeing more and more articles and comments on websites that this is all the fault of Republicans because they did not offer any alternatives or participate in the legislative process when O Care was being created.  I will bet my next retirement check that sort of talk and comments will ramp up very quickly.

Posted by: Registered Voter at November 21, 2013 06:51 AM (Hdbf3)

101 A whole week, Sean? Better sign up for Subscribe & Save, then.

Posted by: bigpinkfluffybunny at November 21, 2013 06:51 AM (aqORt)

102 Drew is also correct in advising that republicans keep promises broad and general at this point. If you like your doctor, you can Too broad?

Posted by: rickb223 at November 21, 2013 06:52 AM (ix+5k)

103 I just got the text from Amazon that my 55 gallon drum of Astroglide will be delivered today.


Ettes may dip their entire persons in the drum for maximum efficiency.


Posted by: EC at November 21, 2013 06:52 AM (GQ8sn)

104 I am seeing more and more articles and comments on websites that this is all the fault of Republicans because they did not offer any alternatives or participate in the legislative process when O Care was being created.

Of all the lies told on behalf of Obamacare, that one pisses me off the most.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at November 21, 2013 06:52 AM (ZKzrr)

105
Cabbage Patch Kid-face McConnell is speaking now. His retort to Reid: Hey, about that obamacare, eh?

Posted by: soothsayer at November 21, 2013 06:53 AM (xIzGn)

106 If that SOB Reid tries to do this Nuclear thing, the Republicans should get up and walk out and shut down the Gov.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 21, 2013 06:53 AM (t3UFN)

107

I've looked a couple of times and I still can't find that link I ran across pre-coffee this morning that mentions a GOP  plan from 2010  that they passed as an  alternative to BenghaziCare.  It addressed a lot of the ills we're seeing now.

 

The  Pubbies should dust it off and rename it the "I  Told You So, Neener, Neener, Neener Bill of 2013."

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b] at November 21, 2013 06:54 AM (0HooB)

108 Cabbage Patch Kid-face Spacing Guild Spice Navigator McConnell's Neck Fat is speaking now. His retort to Reid: Hey, about that obamacare, eh?

Posted by: soothsayer at November 21, 2013 10:53 AM (xIzGn)



Fixed.

Posted by: EC at November 21, 2013 06:54 AM (GQ8sn)

109 Now that the "Broken Promise" of ObamaCare is the front page of 'Time', I would like to remind people I was out of the country the first 4 years of the Obama Administration

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at November 21, 2013 06:54 AM (Pr6hk)

110 Poor countries pulled out of the United Nations climate talks during a fight over transferring wealth from richer countries to fight global warming. The G77 and China bloc led 132 poor countries in a walk out during talks about “loss and damage” compensation for the consequences of global warming that countries cannot adapt to, like Typhoon Haiyan. The countries that left claim to have the support of other coalitions of poor nations, including the Least Developed Countries, the Alliance of Small Island States and the Africa Group. Poor countries have demanded that the developed world give them $100 billion annually by 2020 to prepare for the impacts of global warming, such as heat waves and droughts. Brazil even put forward a proposal last week that would have made rich countries pay for historical greenhouse gas emissions. I saw that Movie it's called ARGO: Ahr go fuck yourself

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 21, 2013 06:54 AM (t3UFN)

111 Better sign up for Subscribe & Save, then.  Posted by: bigpinkfluffybunny at November 21, 2013 10:51 AM (aqORt)

Good point!  you get and extra 10% off, and they throw in a free Fench Maid outfit after the 5th shipment!

Posted by: Sean Bannion[/s][/i][/u][/b] at November 21, 2013 06:54 AM (6T8Ay)

112 >>As John Nolte from Breitbart pointed out on twitter, any GOP plan will
receive more press scrutiny in a week than Obamacare did in 4 years.

Exactly! When Palin was interviewed by Matt Lauer a few weeks ago about Obamacare he demanded: What is the Tea Party's plan? What is the Tea Party's plan!?!
Lauer was just begging for a squirrel.

Posted by: Lizzy at November 21, 2013 06:55 AM (JRmiD)

113 Ahem...


http://tinyurl.com/l6gyssw


swsfw

Posted by: dan a nj con formerly known as dana nj con at November 21, 2013 06:55 AM (wmU4G)

114 'Ettes may dip their entire persons in the drum for maximum efficiency.  Posted by: EC at November 21, 2013 10:52 AM (GQ8sn)

Dammit, EC!

BRB

Bunk

Posted by: Sean Bannion[/s][/i][/u][/b] at November 21, 2013 06:55 AM (6T8Ay)

115
Reid knows if he goes nuke, he ends his and obama's hope for Amnesty.

Reid will not do it. This is just an excuse to get TV cameras on the Senate floor and broadcast a brow-beating.

Posted by: soothsayer at November 21, 2013 06:55 AM (GcwH1)

116 I've looked a couple of times and I still can't find that link I ran across pre-coffee this morning that mentions a GOP plan from 2010 that they passed as an alternative to BenghaziCare.

Would have had to be 2011, if it passed.  Pelosi never let the plans proprosed in 2009 and 2010 come to the floor for discussion.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at November 21, 2013 06:56 AM (ZKzrr)

117 Now that the "Broken Promise" of ObamaCare is the front page of 'Time', I would like to remind people I was out of the country the first 4 years of the Obama Administration..... .......dodging sniper fire!

Posted by: rickb223 at November 21, 2013 06:56 AM (ix+5k)

118 Yep, Drew. Show the Americans in pain. Loop that video of JEF calling it THE LAW OF THE LAND, because I WON. Show the Americans in pain and suffering. And, we've got real people with real suffering due to these f*cktards. "I told you so."(subtly) "I care about Americans." "Not much I can do, it's the law." "Look how badly these people are suffering." "Obama blocked us from drawing up the law." Quote that SOB dragging the Senators to a meeting only to shove it in their face that he "would not compromise," then walked out. What a POS. "Give us the power to turn this around, by voting to give us the power to do it."

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 21, 2013 06:56 AM (IXrOn)

119 Ok, is this a reach? Reid is going "nuclear" on the filibuster, so he can get the judges he wants. Does he figure all hope is lost for '14 and '16 and this is the last gasp bastion left to control the govt through the judiciary?

Posted by: Stewie Griffin at November 21, 2013 06:56 AM (4mTwY)

120 Why didn't TIME use a blue pill on the cover?

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 21, 2013 06:57 AM (IXrOn)

121 Unfortunately the GOP is full of folks like Todd Akin who look at this situation and think, "Hey, I could get a lot of attention if I start talking."

While the Dems are completely unraveling, someone in the GOP will show up with some knitting needles and "save the day" for Obama.  (For which they will get no credit at all from the Media/Dems, of course.)  The GOP just can seem to help themselves.

Posted by: Null at November 21, 2013 06:58 AM (xjpRj)

122 I would write my senators and rep, advising same, but the fucks are all dems. And rock-solid in their seats, no matter what the tsunami of bile for democrats does.

Posted by: the littl shyning man at November 21, 2013 06:58 AM (tmFlQ)

123 Why didn't TIME use a blue pill on the cover?

A 28-pill wheel would have been amusing, too.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at November 21, 2013 06:58 AM (ZKzrr)

124 The GOP needs to promise to get the government out of people's healthcare.  To understand the differences of insurance regulations in key states have been affecting the costs of premiums, and thus why 'portability' and 'long-term HSAs' will stabilize the market.

"Repeal and Stabilize"

Posted by: Adam Smith at November 21, 2013 06:58 AM (Pr6hk)

125 The sun. The sun is out. Time to go for a nice walk. yay

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 21, 2013 06:59 AM (IXrOn)

126 Instead of talking about the filibuster, the GOP should start referring to it as a "the Democrats court-packing scheme."

Remember, the only setback that POS FDR ever suffered was when he tried to pack the courts.

('Course, he got his way anyway as it cowed the court.)

Posted by: RoyalOil at November 21, 2013 06:59 AM (VjL9S)

127

Read that a recent survey had 1 in 5 registered voters either had their plan cancelled or knew someone who did.  Imagine what that number will balloon to when this is no longer impacting 'just' the 5% in the individual market. 

 

From a purely cynical political standpoint the Repubs could do one thing, pass a 'fix' to O-care that requires a longer notification period of cancelled plans so those cancellations are going out in June/July next year.  Just might get a veto-overriding majority in both chambers with that one.

 

Posted by: Joe at November 21, 2013 06:59 AM (QFnhZ)

128

Would have had to be 2011, if it passed. Pelosi never let the plans proprosed in 2009 and 2010 come to the floor for discussion.

 

Oh yeah, good point.

 

The 111th Congress, Nazi Pelousi's proudest  "achievement."  I'll be glad  when these idiot legislators  realize that  with each new law, a little of our freedom is lost.  The last thing they should be doing is passing more of them.

 

I like Insty's idea   for a new branch of Congress  devoted solely   to repeal.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b] at November 21, 2013 06:59 AM (0HooB)

129 I am seeing more and more articles and comments on websites that this is
all the fault of Republicans because they did not offer any alternatives or participate in the legislative process when O Care was being created.


That's the John Edwards Dodge. "Why didn't you come to me like a fucking man and tell me to stop fucking this Chicken?

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 21, 2013 06:59 AM (yQwq5)

130 a good campaign promises to provide what people want


a better campaign makes people afraid of what the Other Guy wants


( see 1964, 1948, 1968, 1980, 1992, 2008.......

Posted by: stuff Sun Tzu said but didn't write down at November 21, 2013 07:00 AM (omBWL)

131 @McConnellPress mocks @SenateDems: "If you like the senate rules you can keep them'..

Posted by: [/i][/b][/u][/s] Tami at November 21, 2013 07:00 AM (bCEmE)

132

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Looking for witty, informed  conservative commentary with twice the website loading speed of The Daily Caller and only half the pop-ups?

 

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Posted by: National Review at November 21, 2013 07:00 AM (BrQrN)

133 Unfortunately some will see this is as a signal the GOP needs to offer an alternative approach to ObamaCare. Exactly. The Dem's media spinmeisters are FURIOUSLY spinning the idea that the GOP just HAS TO offer an alternative approach to ODeathCare. We all know why they're doing it. Let's just hope that for once, The Stupid Party knows enough not to take the bait. But I am not optimistic on that point. After all, they are The Stupid Party.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at November 21, 2013 07:00 AM (7ObY1)

134 111 ~ How many shipments for an actual French maid? (Or British butler, as I'd prefer.) I'm asking for a friend, of course.

Posted by: bigpinkfluffybunny at November 21, 2013 07:01 AM (aqORt)

135 OT


LOL at the people of Seattle!  Sorry PGiS!  This has to be aggravating.

http://tinyurl.com/kmlr96r


"Seattle City Councilmember-elect Kshama Sawant told Boeing machinists her idea of a radical option, should their jobs be moved out of state 

“The workers should take over the factories, and shut down Boeing’s profit-making machine,” Sawant announced to a cheering crowd of union supporters in Seattle’s Westlake Park Monday night."



Posted by: EC at November 21, 2013 07:01 AM (GQ8sn)

136 OK, this time it's real and I'm leaving. Adios. (I got side track by a guest lecturer who's assistant apparently needed some hand holding to 3.5 weeks before the lecture.)

Posted by: tsrblke PhD(c) (No really!) at November 21, 2013 07:01 AM (GaqMa)

137 125

The sun. The sun is out.
Time to go for a nice walk.

yay

Posted by: artisanal 'ette

In complete agreement. Life is too good not to be lived & enjoyed. Goin' out with my 2 dogs....

Posted by: backhoe at November 21, 2013 07:02 AM (ULH4o)

138 Millions, including me, have lost insurance subsequently. I need the government to do something to undo this disaster and enact real reforms that allow a vibrant individual market to thrive.

Posted by: California red at November 21, 2013 10:41 AM (L39bP)

 

 

 

 

End  the  medical  industries  exemption  from  the  Sherman  and  Clayton  acts.  Restore  true  competition  and  a  free,  open  market  for  medical  services.

 

Or  let  the  medical  monoplies  continue  and  bankrupt  everyone.  

Posted by: Larsen E. Whipsnade at November 21, 2013 07:02 AM (rXcBX)

139 Put in repeal bills right before Christmas. Run some ads with Christmas trees empty of gifts. Then the video of Obama lying.

Posted by: eman at November 21, 2013 07:03 AM (AO9UG)

140 Democrats know voters are a very long way from learning their lesson. The Dems screwed this up with a grand all-encompassing federal level plan and the voters need to learn that the solution to all this damage is to another grand all-encompassing federal level plan from the GOP, but instead experiments in all fifty states. The only think i might suggest is that Republican governors ought to get busy crafting state level private market ideas for solutions in conjunction with doctors and insurers. Abandon the federal model entirely!

Posted by: MTF at November 21, 2013 07:03 AM (F58x4)

141 The Circuit in question is key when it comes to rulings on regulations. The Dems need the President to have the power to make adjustments to policies, including O-Care, without going through Congress. Reid will try to give the appearance that it is a limited restriction of the fillibuster since it only applies to appointments for lower positions and not bills or Supremes. However, make no mistake about it. The Dems will go nuclear today.

Posted by: Dems will go nuclear at November 21, 2013 07:04 AM (Tb01R)

142
EC, Seattle might just be the first city in the nation to act-out a real-life Atlas Shrugged.


Posted by: soothsayer at November 21, 2013 07:04 AM (NLH1M)

143 We have not yet begun to emfucken!

Posted by: The GOP at November 21, 2013 07:04 AM (BrQrN)

144 "Unfortunately the GOP is full of folks like Todd Akin who look at this situation and think, "Hey, I could get a lot of attention if I start talking.""

Talking is what politicians do.  Unfortunately for the Dems, at the moment,  ObamaCare is a big f*cking deal.

Posted by: mrp at November 21, 2013 07:05 AM (HjPtV)

145

Spot on! The MSM and Dems are just dying for/baiting Republicans to offer their solution.  And the ONLY reason that is the case is so that they can discuss the evils of the Republican proposals instead of Obamacare.

The MSM and Dems want to discuss ANYTHING other than the sinking of SS Obamacare. Republicans should not help start the pumps keeping the water out...

Posted by: Dan at November 21, 2013 07:06 AM (JwDEy)

146 @110 - That's not a bug, it's a feature. If I were President, participation in this sort of extortion would be prima facie evidence that your little rathole (or in China's case, giant rathole) didn't deserve MFN, period. For that matter, participation in UN climate negotiations would be grounds for putting a giant sticky thumb on your foreign aid disbursements. The general trend, though, is favorable - while I'm quite sure that many of the west's cloistered ruling class including our own Harvardocracy would like nothing better than to cave to these clowns and shovel taxpayer money out the door, they're starting to sniff the winds of political change. The Canadians have led the charge, thank you Stephen Harper, and now the Australians have thrown over the green menace. Japan has cut its carbon-reduction target to something nugatory, the Poles have put a fence around their former environment minister and given most of his job to a gas-development guy.

Posted by: JEM at November 21, 2013 07:06 AM (o+SC1)

147 EC, Seattle might just be the first city in the nation to act-out a real-life Atlas Shrugged.


I hope they get everything they deserve.


Posted by: EC at November 21, 2013 07:06 AM (GQ8sn)

148 Fierce Urgency Simple Retort (NOT Shutting Up) "Loyalty prevails among partisans, but among independents, 42 percent trust the Democratic Party more when it comes to handling healthcare compared with 58 percent who trust the Republican Party more." Don't fall into the trap that just because people don't like ObamaCare they will like the GOP alternatives. Yes, the Democrats will say "they don't have a plan!" So? The retort is simple, "Our plan is to undo the damage that Democrats have done with their unworkable scheme to take your health insurance away from you. We will fight to make sure you are once again able to have an insurance plan you like and keep the doctors you trust. We stand with you in your desire to be free from the incompetents in Washington who can't even make a website work but think they know better than you what's right for you and your family!" -- Bravo! Now, for all that sweet talk to attract the flies as well as bees and wasps, beware hollow promises from every political quarter. You know full well which politicians masquerade their own corrupt interests as shared values. Someone trustworthy needs to be guarding the Constitution. And that isn't likely to be a virtue found in Congressional membership, let alone the White House or SCOTUS majority/Chief Justice umpire. Someone Monday posted a version of a current Republican House health care alternative Bill offered in place of ACA that had no summary yet online, but content looked like McCain had his hand in it (vitamins, mineral supplements under federal regulation).

Posted by: panzernashorn at November 21, 2013 07:06 AM (MhA4j)

149 I couldn't agree more, Drew.  Just STFU.

And as far shutting down the government again..  Hey!  What did I just tell you? STFU!!1!

We (the GOP more specifically) have no leverage.  Do NOT throw away this opportunity to take back the Senate and, possibly, greatly increase our House majority.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at November 21, 2013 07:07 AM (f9c2L)

150 Again with the 'kids' on policies until 26 is part of the problem BS?   It is a great way for young adults in beginner jobs with no employer insurance to have some coverage and the insurance industry must be thrilled to have those low risk young people in the pool. 

 They are not getting covered for free you know;  the parents must pay to add them to their polices, and one hopes most parents have their adult offspring reimburse them.  But in most cases it is a group policy from the parents' work with more competitive rates than the 24 year old buying an individual policy could get.   Its win/win as well as being popular with the LIV crowd.  

Posted by: PaleRider at November 21, 2013 07:07 AM (5CusZ)

151 Asking what you are going to replace Obamacare with is like asking someone what they would like their cancer replaced with.  They just want it out before it kills them.  They want the pain to stop.

The Republicans should say it will be impossible to undo all of the damage and return things to the status quo ante, but that they will try.  They should also say that everything Obama has done to "fix" it is both cynical and illegal.  They should point out he is still lying and misleading by offering fixes that are not fixes and by promising things he does not have the power to deliver.

Posted by: Thatch at November 21, 2013 07:07 AM (qYvEa)

152

Right now the conversation is only about how the Democrats have lied and made a hash out of a system

 

 

Mmmmmmmmm, hash!

Posted by: Homer Obama at November 21, 2013 07:07 AM (QHUpb)

153 You should be able to do things "orthogonal" to Obamacare as "patches" though.

An individual health account (think: IRA-like), for instance. Tax free in-AND-out ... unless withdrawn for non-health-issues. Inheritable, and "yours".

Adding little details like "If you shove $5000 into it, the penalties are waived..."

-> Just putting more stakes into Obamacare. That is, it doesn't "fix" any specific problems with Oc, it (a) starts a path that could be a fix, and (b) draws even more people out of the "crucial to the plan" exchanges.

Posted by: Al at November 21, 2013 07:07 AM (9ynpo)

154
Exit question: 2014 will see the re-emergence of

a) Occupy
b) Tea Party
c) neither
d) both

My answer? In a moment..

Posted by: soothsayer at November 21, 2013 07:07 AM (vanqS)

155 *puts on shaved alpaca socks and traipses in*

What the hell is going on in this country?

*offers a cup of shut the hell up to the gop*

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 21, 2013 07:07 AM (iGPSR)

156 More to the point, why in the world would you give the Democrats an out on this stuff? Right now the conversation is only about how the Democrats have lied and made a hash out of a system, that while imperfect (though it looks better now than ever), seemed to work for most people. --------------------------- Because for the dipshits that run the GOP, the urge to have their name in the press, which they figure will enhance their electability, is Job One. They need to do something. Because they think that if they're not seen to be doing something, then they might lose their bullshit jobs. So they jump in with the first stupid idea that comes to mind - to "fix" an unfixable shitpile of a law that has failure hard-coded into it from the beginning. Stupid In, Stupid Out. That's today's GOP, of which super geniuses like Gabriel Malor are staffers. Which is why their ideas always suck. Always.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at November 21, 2013 07:08 AM (CJjw5)

157 #93 - the one Government program I have seen work even reasonably well is Australia's Medicare. It's the closest thing to free market socialised medicine you will ever see. And it works. The standard of care for all is at least adequate, the truly poor do not fall through the cracks, and with the exception of the junior doctors (hospital interns and residents, who follow their specialists' directions in any case), the government **does not** employ the doctors directly - the docs bill the government or the private insurance company on a mutually agreed schedule for services rendered.

Posted by: perturbed at November 21, 2013 07:09 AM (TXq4O)

158 147 EC, Seattle might just be the first city in the nation to act-out a real-life Atlas Shrugged.


I hope they get everything they deserve.


Posted by: EC

I lived on Vashon Island in the early eighties with my first Dead Wife, Helen. Seattle was nice then but the MoonBats from cali were already making inroads. Pity.

Posted by: backhoe at November 21, 2013 07:10 AM (ULH4o)

159

would it be helpful to claim that the plan is to replace obamacare with something that can garner bipartisan support?

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at November 21, 2013 07:10 AM (SO2Q8)

160 The sun is out.
-
THE SUN IS OUT!!!!  OH SHIT!!! WE NEED TO SEND BRUCE WILLIS AND A RAGTAG GROUP OF ADVENTURERS TO EXPLODE A NUKE AT THE SUN'S CORE TO RESTART IT!!!!

Posted by: WalrusRex at November 21, 2013 07:10 AM (Hx5uv)

161 OT


Here's the Greta interview with the libtard lady who was the victim of the "knockout" crime.

http://tinyurl.com/kyklj2h


Listen to her rationalization at the end about how she ultimately feels over the whole incident.


Posted by: EC at November 21, 2013 07:11 AM (GQ8sn)

162 Exit question: 2014 will see the re-emergence of

a) Occupy
b) Tea Party
c) neither
d) both

My answer? In a moment..
-

Want to piss off a lib? Tell them the Occupy movement killed Kennedy.

Posted by: WalrusRex at November 21, 2013 07:12 AM (Hx5uv)

163 So our plan is to beat something with nothing.  A plan about nothing...

Posted by: George Costanza (R) at November 21, 2013 07:12 AM (SO2Q8)

164
I need the government to do something....
Posted by: California red




An attitude that will cause not but heartache for yourself and others.



Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at November 21, 2013 07:12 AM (kdS6q)

165 You should be able to do things "orthogonal" to Obamacare as "patches" though. An individual health account (think: IRA-like), for instance. Tax free in-AND-out ... unless withdrawn for non-health-issues. Inheritable, and "yours". Lockboxes for everyone!

Posted by: rickb223 at November 21, 2013 07:12 AM (ix+5k)

166 would it be helpful to claim that the plan is to replace obamacare with something that can garner bipartisan support? Tripartisan support. R, D, I. There are a whole bunch of people who have given up on DC, and we need their support, too! Or something of that nature.

Posted by: Paid for by Citizens for Clyde the Orangutan at November 21, 2013 07:12 AM (QF8uk)

167 @150 - If you think, as I do, that in the long term separating health insurance from employment is a good and important thing to do, then does it make sense to embrace Obamacare as the agent of that particular change even if you regard some or all of what remains of its coverage mandates as bad?

Posted by: JEM at November 21, 2013 07:12 AM (o+SC1)

168
(3rd time)

My answer, and the correct answer is: d) both.

The Left is bringing back Occupy, bigger than ever, precisely because they know remnants of the 2010 Tea Party will return.

Posted by: soothsayer at November 21, 2013 07:13 AM (8dspl)

169 Yeah well... sometimes nothing can be a real cool hand.

Posted by: Luke at November 21, 2013 07:13 AM (SO2Q8)

170 I hope they get everything they deserve. Posted by: EC at November 21, 2013 11:06 AM (GQ8sn) Deserve's got nothing to do with it. Consider those middle class conservatives in Seattle or Oregon who oppose liberal-socialism taking the brunt. Not only of "majority rules" but scathing contempt from the likes of "deserve what you get" opinions. I have relatives there whose kids graduated from school and are relocating out-of-state for work, but parents left where they are in Oregon on limited incomes.

Posted by: panzernashorn at November 21, 2013 07:13 AM (MhA4j)

171 Reid is moving forward with his rules change.

Posted by: RWC at November 21, 2013 07:13 AM (fWAjv)

172
"Seattle City Councilmember-elect Kshama Sawant told Boeing machinists
her idea of a radical option, should their jobs be moved out of state
“The
workers should take over the factories, and shut down BoeingÂ’s
profit-making machine,” Sawant announced to a cheering crowd of union
supporters in SeattleÂ’s Westlake Park Monday night."
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Going Detroit squared.

Posted by: WalrusRex at November 21, 2013 07:14 AM (Hx5uv)

173 100 I am seeing more and more articles and comments on websites that this is all the fault of Republicans because they did not offer any alternatives or participate in the legislative process when O Care was being created. I will bet my next retirement check that sort of talk and comments will ramp up very quickly.

Posted by: Registered Voter at November 21, 2013 10:51 AM (Hdbf3)

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yeah - every time any of us sees that, we need to remind people that the Republicans were LOCKED OUT  OF THE ROOM when this legislation was being drafted, no resolutions from  Republicans were entertained, and lawmakers only had 72 hours to look at the legislation before it was voted on.

 

And remind people that NOT ONE REPUBLICAN IN  EITHER CHAMBER OF CONGRESS voted for this shit sandwich.

 

And that the bill which ultimately passed was not even originally a healthcare bill, but some harmless piece of legislation which was taken up on the Senate floor, only to have every last bit of it - up to and including the name of the damn thing - completely gutted and replaced with the democrat Senate's version of a healthcare bill. 

 

So, yeah - it's not like Republicans didn't help with this law.

 

They were shut out at every turn  by the very people who are now complaining because they won't help them fix it.

 

Screw.Them.

 

 

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX (@Teresa_Koch) at November 21, 2013 07:14 AM (PZ6/M)

174 They're demoralized as hell!  Ride off to the nearest vantage point and watch!

Posted by: The Governor at November 21, 2013 07:15 AM (Tlix5)

175 We (the GOP more specifically) have no leverage. Do NOT throw away this opportunity to take back the Senate and, possibly, greatly increase our House majority. Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at November 21, 2013 11:07 AM (f9c2L) ------------------------- Of course. Obama and the Democrats passed the most unpopular law since Prohibition without a single Republican vote but the GOP has no leverage. Get on the horn to Mitch McConnell and tell him that, just in case he accidentally starts to grow some balls.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at November 21, 2013 07:15 AM (CJjw5)

176

THE SUN IS OUT!!!! OH SHIT!!! WE NEED TO SEND BRUCE WILLIS AND A RAGTAG GROUP OF ADVENTURERS TO EXPLODE A NUKE AT THE SUN'S CORE TO RESTART IT!!!!

 

*furiously scribbles notes for next class*

Posted by: EC's Step-Kid's Science Teacher at November 21, 2013 07:16 AM (BrQrN)

177 OT Heh, even the fantasy football nerds are piling on. The blurb by Brad Evans about RGIII opened with this: Disagreements, subtle public jabs and inconsistent play – Washington is about as functional as a government-run website.

Posted by: logprof at November 21, 2013 07:16 AM (fETNt)

178 I would take the filibuster action going on in the Senate right now as a true indicator if how Dems feel about their chances the next few years. If they can't pack courts now, it might be a long time before they can again.

Posted by: Businessman, Warping in, warping out at November 21, 2013 07:16 AM (tszTA)

179 The Left is bringing back Occupy, bigger than ever, precisely because they know remnants of the 2010 Tea Party will return.
Posted by: soothsayer

I dunno. Occupiers are mostly young people, right? And we know that less than half of the 'invincinbles' are signing up for OCare. It will take some serious Soros cash to fund a 2014 campaign. Non-Occupiers, on the other hand, are being clobbered with taxes, regulation, lower wages, and ever-increasing premiums for substandard health care.

Posted by: mrp at November 21, 2013 07:17 AM (HjPtV)

180
If Reid goes nuke, Reid kills Amnesty.

So it's a big win for us.

Posted by: soothsayer at November 21, 2013 07:17 AM (vanqS)

181 Start by ignoring the Paycheck republicans. Rove, Lacey Pubus, and all the other Paycheck Republicans..

Posted by: 7 Days in May at November 21, 2013 07:18 AM (j6DTo)

182 The GOP should make a statement that includes these points. 1 The ends don't justify the means, or lies. 2 We don't think we're smarter than you for YOUR FREE CHOICES 3 Market based solutions are always superior to CENTRAL PLANNING. 4 Healthcare should not be an instrument of income redistribution.

Posted by: ontherocks at November 21, 2013 07:18 AM (wnkWt)

183 I am seeing more and more articles and comments on websites that this is all the fault of Republicans because they did not offer any alternatives or participate in the legislative process when O Care was being created. Yeah, that one is not going to work. The "the other guys could have saved us from being idiots" line only works in bad sitcoms about men doing stupid things.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here)-also drooling imbecile incapable of doing algebra or something at November 21, 2013 07:19 AM (659DL)

184 THE SUN IS OUT!!!! OH SHIT!!! WE NEED TO SEND BRUCE WILLIS AND A RAGTAG GROUP OF ADVENTURERS TO EXPLODE A NUKE AT THE SUN'S CORE TO RESTART IT!!!!

*furiously scribbles notes for next class*

Posted by: EC's Step-Kid's Science Teacher at November 21, 2013 11:16 AM (BrQrN)




Hahaha!!!




Posted by: EC at November 21, 2013 07:19 AM (GQ8sn)

185 Let's offer up comprehensive immigration reform to prevent Reid's nuclear option

Posted by: Typical RINO at November 21, 2013 07:19 AM (Pr6hk)

186 #180 How so?

Posted by: Respectfully disagree at November 21, 2013 07:19 AM (Tb01R)

187 @172 - Dear IAM, please follow this airhead's lead. Please do it. Take over the factories. Party like it's 1933. I'm sure the municipalities surrounding Seattle will have a wonderful time filling all that vacant industrial real estate in two, three, five years' time.

Posted by: JEM at November 21, 2013 07:20 AM (o+SC1)

188 I am seeing more and more articles and comments on websites that this is
all the fault of Republicans because they did not offer any
alternatives or participate in the legislative process when O Care was
being created.
-
That argument won't appeal to anybody who has not drunk so much Kool Aid that they are beyond saving.

Posted by: WalrusRex at November 21, 2013 07:20 AM (Hx5uv)

189
another question:

Why are people naming their babies "Colt" these days?
I'd like to see the return of the name Nebuchadnezzar.

Posted by: soothsayer at November 21, 2013 07:21 AM (GcwH1)

190 You're exactly right, Drew.  All Republicans should do at this point is to say step 1 is to undo (repeal) this  mess. 

No need to mention what step 2 is.

Posted by: Marmo at November 21, 2013 07:21 AM (QW+AD)

191 STFU "Do NOT throw away this opportunity to take back the Senate and, possibly, greatly increase our House majority." ...so we can be called vigilantes and told incessantly to STFU while rammed down the gullet by our dear statist R-leaders. ...ace morning post here (Mon?Tue?) was for us all to yet "save the good programs in Obamacare". Granted, when in sales, stick to what sells. But don't tell the customer to STFU when asking pertinent questions or stating the obvious problems during the sell, or afterwards blaming them for not reading the absent STFU fine print.

Posted by: panzernashorn at November 21, 2013 07:21 AM (MhA4j)

192 The "the other guys could have saved us from being idiots" line only works in bad sitcoms about men doing stupid things.

You see a version of it on the local news in cities sometime.  Precious Snowflake gets arrested for his participation in a robbery where someone dies, and his mother or aunt tells the camera about how he's such a good kid and everything would have been fine if that other bad kid hadn't brought the gun.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at November 21, 2013 07:21 AM (ZKzrr)

193

The "Nuclear Option" of known pedarast Harry Reid would only apply to judicial nominations and preznit appointments.

 

You would be silly to think this would apply to anything else.

 

Reid is evil, not stupid.

Posted by: Drill_Thrawl at November 21, 2013 07:21 AM (Z7toi)

194 Shutting up will never work.
Politicians have too big an ego to not fap their mouth.

Posted by: Kafiroon at November 21, 2013 07:22 AM (U0DWi)

195 Of course. Obama and the Democrats passed the most unpopular law since Prohibition without a single Republican vote but the GOP has no leverage.

Get on the horn to Mitch McConnell and tell him that, just in case he accidentally starts to grow some balls.
Posted by: EoJ
.........
Coming from one of the shutdown proponents, I will take this with a grain of salt..

How did that shutdown work out for us, huh?  Remember those of us who promised O'Care was gonna be so fucking bad that all we needed to do was shut the fuck up and let them self-destruct?  No, of course you don't remember.

Leverage, to me would mean majorities in both the House and the Senate.  You still don't fucking get it do you?  We can't pass anything.  We can only block legislation.  Anything passed in the House dies in the Senate without even a consideration.  Yes, we have some popular opinion AGAINST the Dems.  But once we start pushing shutdowns we will lose any advantage.

Give us the Senate.. and please please give us Reid's nuclear option, and we'll pass repeal in both houses and dare that mother fucker Obama to veto it.


Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at November 21, 2013 07:22 AM (f9c2L)

196 Let's try this again, without formatting: >>>100 I am seeing more and more articles and comments on websites that this is all the fault of Republicans because they did not offer any alternatives or participate in the legislative process when O Care was being created. I will bet my next retirement check that sort of talk and comments will ramp up very quickly.

Posted by: Registered Voter at November 21, 2013 10:51 AM (Hdbf3) <<<

 

 

 

 

 

Yeah - every time any of us sees that, we need to remind people that the Republicans were LOCKED OUT  OF THE ROOM when this legislation was being drafted, no resolutions from  Republicans were entertained, and lawmakers only had 72 hours to look at the legislation before it was voted on.

 

And remind people that NOT ONE REPUBLICAN IN  EITHER CHAMBER OF CONGRESS voted for this shit sandwich.

 

And that the bill which ultimately passed was not even originally a healthcare bill, but some harmless piece of legislation which was taken up on the Senate floor, only to have every last bit of it - up to and including the name of the damn thing - completely gutted and replaced with the democrat Senate's version of a healthcare bill. 

 

So, yeah - it's not like Republicans didn't help with this law.

 

They were shut out at every turn  by the very people who are now complaining because they won't help them fix it.

 

Screw.Them.

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX (@Teresa_Koch) at November 21, 2013 07:23 AM (PZ6/M)

197
Republicans take A Lot of shit from Reid and the Senate Democrats, but there's no way they'll "work with" them on Amnesty if Reid pulls this stunt.

Posted by: soothsayer at November 21, 2013 07:23 AM (KwX0v)

198 Sooth? Re:


154
Exit question: 2014 will see the re-emergence of

a) Occupy
b) Tea Party
c) neither
d) both

My answer? In a moment..
Posted by: soothsayer

For whatever it's worth I am a founding member of both mainland & Island chapters here on the coast. The JEF's "win" demoralized us pretty badly.

Then? We re-grouped. We aren't going away.

Posted by: backhoe at November 21, 2013 07:23 AM (ULH4o)

199 DAMN YOU, PIXY FORMATTING!!!!!

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX (@Teresa_Koch) at November 21, 2013 07:23 AM (PZ6/M)

200 I agree, I guess, but I wish I didn't have to take one for the team. Can't sleep, can't eat, don't know what I'm going do without insurance help for my migraine name-brand meds or if something worse happens to me. All of the plans more than double my out-of-pocket costs. I looked into drug company discounts but no joy.

My greatest fear is that GOP sweeps the next elections and doesn't change at all, just goes back to their big government, corporatist ways because, really, what would me to lead to think they wouldn't?

Posted by: jeannebodine at November 21, 2013 07:24 AM (2LJqa)

201 The "Nuclear Option" of known pedarast Harry Reid would only apply to judicial nominations and preznit appointments. You would be silly to think this would apply to anything else. Reid is evil, not stupid. Posted by: Drill_Thrawl at November 21, 2013 11:21 AM (Z7toi) "ONLY" Judicial appointments? And you don't think that is important? To pack the Courts below the Supreme Court? Get a clue

Posted by: Nevergiveup at November 21, 2013 07:24 AM (t3UFN)

202 Totes OT, but another Kennedy getting away with murder? Michael Skakel to be released from prison.
-
Like chocolate and peanut butter, Kennedys and dead/raped girls.

P.S. Peanut butter and jelly sandwiches are now racist.  See Drudge.

Posted by: WalrusRex at November 21, 2013 07:25 AM (Hx5uv)

203

Yes, this!

Posted by: Anabolic State at November 21, 2013 07:25 AM (51moJ)

204 199 " DAMN YOU, PIXY FORMATTING!!!!!" Isn't it a bit ironic that we spend days bitching about Obama's website?

Posted by: jwest at November 21, 2013 07:26 AM (u2a4R)

205 Parallel to the Seattle wound self-infliction party, the California Boom is now in full swing in the Dallas-Ft Worth area. 

Massive amounts of new construction of warehouse/light industrial space around DFW airport, office buildings going up in the North Dallas / Plano / Frisco suburban corporate parks, and giant housing and apartment developments.

Back to 2006 levels of development.

Posted by: phreshone at November 21, 2013 07:26 AM (Pr6hk)

206 Never underestimate our willingness to disappoint you. This whole nuclear thing will not deter us from pushing forward.

Posted by: GOP Amnesty Caucus at November 21, 2013 07:26 AM (Tb01R)

207 My greatest fear is that GOP sweeps the next elections and doesn't change at all, just goes back to their big government, corporatist ways because, really, what would me to lead to think they wouldn't?
Posted by: jeannebodine

That would depend on candidates and primaries.  More TEA, please.

Posted by: mrp at November 21, 2013 07:26 AM (HjPtV)

208 What Repubs should be arguing is that Health Insurance is, and should be, a State issue... That the Federal Government should not be involved in paying for more and more people health care.... as we just plain cannot afford it. ie... argue that Obamacare is NOT within the Constitutional limits that the Founders created... But they will not do that, as they all LIKE the Power the Federal Government has...

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 21, 2013 07:27 AM (lZBBB)

209
Nood nuke poat.

Posted by: soothsayer at November 21, 2013 07:28 AM (BUcLz)

210 My greatest fear is that GOP sweeps the next
elections and doesn't change at all, just goes back to their big
government, corporatist ways because, really, what would me to lead to
think they wouldn't?
-

Right. Establishment Pugs care only about which party gets the corner office with the window.

Posted by: WalrusRex at November 21, 2013 07:28 AM (Hx5uv)

211 We (small L) libertarians have a golden opportunity here... Obamacare is what happens when you have TOO MUCH GOVERNMENT. This chaos is the direct result of the Federal Government trying to control 1/6th of the US economy through Crony Capitalism, and what Mussolini said was Fascism.... the partnership of the Power of Government, and Corporations. Just like the Fed Res Bank, which is destroying the Savings of the American people, with zero interest rates and inflation, so the Government debt is lessened in value, if not amount... A Partnership by faceless corporations and Government power via Regulation.... will kill freedoms in America.

Posted by: Romeo13 at November 21, 2013 07:32 AM (lZBBB)

212 OT FFS...

http://www.thecollegefix.com/post/15414/


PB & J Burrito anyone??


Posted by: dan a nj con formerly known as dana nj con at November 21, 2013 07:32 AM (wmU4G)

213 Stay classy antis. The game, The Slaying of Sandy Hook, has players to carry out a bleak, stylized version of the shooting, which took the lives of 20 children and six adults. Players take on the role of Adam Lanza, the perpetrator, and text boxes prompt them to pick up a Glock pistol, move into the bedroom of LanzaÂ’s mother, Nancy, and shoot her four times, just as Lanza did in real life. They are then directed to pick up an AR-15, ammunition, and Nancy LanzaÂ’s car keys. The game then moves to Sandy Hook Elementary where players have an 11 minute time-limit to kick in classroom and bathroom doors and slaughter students and teachers as they flee or cower on the ground. There are no voices or music; the only sound effects come from gunfire and bullets impacting bodies. When prompted, players may also end the game by committing suicide.

Posted by: RWC at November 21, 2013 07:34 AM (fWAjv)

214

201 -  Nevergiveup


"ONLY" Judicial appointments? And you don't think that is important? To pack the Courts below the Supreme Court? Get a clue

 

 

Oh I have clue but I was not clear. This is not a good thing by any means. It was more in response to those who assume the PhillyBuster would be completely off the table and effect legislation like Grahmnesty.

 

We are on the same team. Avoid freindly fire incidences.

 

Posted by: Drill_Thrawl at November 21, 2013 07:34 AM (Z7toi)

215 189. soothsayer at November 21, 2013 11:21 AM (GcwH1) Daniel 4:33 fulfilled upon Nebuchadnezzar: and he was driven from men, and did eat grass as oxen, and his body was wet with the dew of heaven, till his hairs were grown like eagles' feathers, and his nails like birds' claws. 37 Now I Nebuchadnezzar praise and extol and honor the King of heaven, all whose works are truth, and his ways judgment: and those that walk in pride he is able to abase. A car Nebuchadnezzer? expect it to break down and require a complete overhaul. Never name a car Belshazar "mene, mene, tekel, parsin" That's God saying "you deserve HELL with pride." ...back to the Tower of Babel, the chapter prior (Gen10) records Noah's progeny including the names Ashkenaz Tarshish, Kittim Dodanim, Magog Tubal, Cush Phut, Canaan and the mighty NIMROD who built Babel, and whose progeny built Nineveh*. I think a car named Nimrod would sell very well, though chances are, the owner's manual would be incomprehensible. *Jonah 3:6 When JonahÂ’s warning reached the king of Nineveh, he rose from his throne, took off his royal robes, covered himself with sackcloth and sat down in the dust. A car named Jonah could survive 3 days inside a whale and come out ready to drive. BTW Genesis 10: 5 By these were the isles of the Gentiles divided in their lands; every one after his tongue, after their families, in their nations. Catch that? Gentiles. The flood wiped humanity off the face of the earth except for Noah's family as Gentiles? Every one after his tongue; yet the next chapter relates they all spoke one tongue. Metaphor v. literal hopscotching chronology. Sell a car named Gentile TLC?

Posted by: panzernashorn at November 21, 2013 07:58 AM (MhA4j)

216 Unfortunately some will see this is as a signal the GOP needs to offer an alternative approach to ObamaCare. People who publicly advocate this course of action should be locked in a basement until after the 2014 elections. I suggest planting a foot right up their asses and telling them that it'll stay there until they learn to shut the fuck up.

Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at November 21, 2013 08:15 AM (vd7A8)

217

Great point, Ace.  AND we need to shift the focus from "Look they incompetent" to "Obama's a Lightbringing, Organizational Genius who has surrounded himself with the best team of competent, caring technocrats since Lincoln.   No one could do what he's trying to do.

Republicans need to defeat individuals - so incompetence matters.  Liberty needs to defeat Coercive Compassionate Tyranny - so the message ought to be "Poor man is failing because no one could - or should -  do what he's trying to do."

Posted by: macgeorge at November 21, 2013 08:25 AM (I4Qbd)

218 We don't need to shut up completely.  There are a couple things that can be openly discussed.

1.  We need immediate legislation to end this ongoing disaster before it does any more damage to the country.

2.  In order to solve the problem we need a change of leadership in the White House and the Senate.

3.  After those two conditions have been met maybe we can "have all the negotiations around a big table. We'll have doctors and nurses and hospital administrators. Insurance companies, drug companies -- they'll get a seat at the table, they just won't be able to buy every chair. But what we will do is, we'll have the negotiations televised on C-SPAN, so that people can see who is making arguments on behalf of their constituents, and who are making arguments on behalf of the drug companies or the insurance companies. And so, that approach, I think is what is going to allow people to stay involved in this process."

Posted by: ThomasD at November 21, 2013 09:15 AM (sPW8y)

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