December 24, 2013
— Ace Big story.
The premier has refused to remove four ministers implicated in the corruption scandal and has accused an unspecified international group of diplomats, journalists and financiers that he called “the interest-rate lobby” of fabricating allegations.Mr. Erdogan took back-to-back swipes at the U.S. too, suggesting that the American ambassador may be meddling in Turkey’s affairs and accusing lawmakers in Washington of trying to cripple a state-run bank, whose chief was also jailed pending trial in the bribery case.
“A totally illegal, very dirty, and extremely dark trap is being set under the guise of this corruption case,” Mr. Erdogan said Sunday in Giresun, on Turkey’s eastern Black Sea coast. “The meaning of the conspiracy that was hatched last week is very clear: disrupting peace and stability….We will destroy these nasty games being played on Turkey.”
Erdogan is a dark populist, so whenever public dissatisfaction grows against him, he starts blaming foreign interests, foreign agents, and so forth. Jews, he means. Sometimes he means Israelis, but sometimes he just means French Jewish pop-philosophers. Whoever.
But he also means secularist political opponents. Popular opposition to him is always caused by "outside forces" conspiring with domestic un-Islamic assassins.
“Mr Erdogan says the Turkish protests are linked to terrorism, an international plot against his country and ‘an interest rate lobby’ disturbed by its recent high rates of growth,” Daniel Dombey reports for the Financial Times.This “interest rate lobby” is a good issue for Erdogan to jump on. It conjures up shadowy international capitalists with ties to traditional Turkish big businesses (which were mostly affiliated with the Kemalists). Charging interest is prohibited under most circumstances in Islamic banking, so he accuses this “lobby” and its network of being anti-religious and sinful as well as betraying Turkey to foreigners.
What is surprising is that Turkey is growing economically -- it's growing a lot. But about half of Turkey just rejects Ergodan's ultra-Islamic rule.
And his corruption, of course. And killing protesters.
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It makes you wonder if there really is a moral size to Islam.
Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at December 24, 2013 11:26 AM (e8kgV)
"But he also means secularist political opponents." -- ditto
Posted by: Mallfly at December 24, 2013 11:27 AM (bJm7W)
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Posted by: garrett at December 24, 2013 11:31 AM (MAHGB)
The only good outcome to Turkey involves Erdogan dead - from illness, assassination, mishap, or execution doesn't really matter.
Posted by: Adjoran at December 24, 2013 11:31 AM (473jB)
This was allpart of Attaturk's original plan to modernize Turkey, and was sanctioned in the original constitution created after the Ottoman Empire was overthrown.
Those retards in the EU insisted this provision be removed before allowing Turkey to join the EU ... and after they did it, the retards at the EU did not allow Turkey to join anyway.
It looks like the military in Turkey is taking its old job back: booting non-secular Islamic idiots out of the government by force.
Posted by: Kristophr at December 24, 2013 11:34 AM (c6N69)
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Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 24, 2013 11:43 AM (olDqf)
I always pronounce it Edrogan because I think it sounds cooler.
Seth's cousin?
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Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 24, 2013 11:56 AM (olDqf)
What is surprising is that Turkey is growing economically -- it's growing a lot. But about half of Turkey just rejects Ergodan's ultra-Islamic rule.
Which reminds me...
What's the difference between Turkey and the US? Turkey has an economy.
Posted by: steveegg at December 24, 2013 11:58 AM (o44nj)
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Posted by: eman at December 24, 2013 12:01 PM (EWsrI)
They've slaughtered Armenians, Kurds, and many more. It's an Islamic shithole since Ataturk left power.
But it's strategic ground we can't afford to lose unless we invade the goddam country, which... I would support.
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Posted by: eman at December 24, 2013 12:05 PM (EWsrI)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 24, 2013 03:59 PM (olDqf) <<<
Variety is the spice of life.
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Posted by: Joey Biden at December 24, 2013 12:08 PM (UAMVq)
My dad wants to know why I'm laughing so hard. Uh, cat picture. Yeah, cats.
Posted by: Weird Aunt HeatherRadish at December 24, 2013 12:09 PM (xW2bf)
Posted by: Hayabusa at December 24, 2013 12:10 PM (659DL)
Santa is using a Romulan cloaking device this year.
Posted by: eman at December 24, 2013 04:05 PM (EWsrI)
If it were Klingon, Dr. McCoy and I could do some open-heart surgery on a torpedo and nail the sleigh.
Posted by: Spock at December 24, 2013 12:10 PM (o44nj)
That's where Turkish Delight comes from, right?
Posted by: Joey Biden at December 24, 2013 04:08 PM (UAMVq)
That's my favorite gladiator movie. Do you like it?
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Posted by: Kato Kaelin, houseguest extraordinaire at December 24, 2013 12:17 PM (3H4Zj)
"Fluoridating water and ice cream. Children's ice cream, Mandrake!!!"
Someone say something about draining bodily fluids? *ears perk up*
Posted by: Andy Sullivan's pool boy at December 24, 2013 12:19 PM (3H4Zj)
This has all happened before. It sure as hell seems like it is all going to happen again.
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD, you taunty bitch. at December 24, 2013 12:19 PM (Gk3SS)
Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at December 24, 2013 12:21 PM (HVff2)
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Posted by: wooga at December 24, 2013 12:24 PM (f+0kK)
You know, whenever I read about the run up to WWI, I am struck by what now seems to be the sick inevitability of it all. I get the same feeling when reading the news right now.
This has all happened before. It sure as hell seems like it is all going to happen again.
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD, you taunty bitch. at December 24, 2013 04:19 PM (Gk3SS)
There were a lot more alliances back then, and nobody broke them. Breaking alliances is Teh SCOAMT's specialty.
Posted by: steveegg at December 24, 2013 12:25 PM (o44nj)
Posted by: eman at December 24, 2013 12:26 PM (EWsrI)
The good news is it will all be over a lot faster this time.
Posted by: eman at December 24, 2013 04:23 PM (EWsrI)
Only if I have anything to say about it.
Posted by: Global Thermonuclear War at December 24, 2013 12:26 PM (o44nj)
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Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 24, 2013 12:27 PM (olDqf)
Over yonder is Yammen.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 24, 2013 04:23 PM (olDqf)
Don't forget about Grease.
Posted by: steveegg at December 24, 2013 12:28 PM (o44nj)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 24, 2013 12:28 PM (olDqf)
We can only hope.
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Over yonder is Yammen. Posted by: J.J. Sefton
Then you come to the land of Nodden.
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Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at December 24, 2013 12:33 PM (6ahup)
I was looking for Huma Abedin who I understand loves boners? Well, at least she loves pictures of boners.
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Posted by: Insomniac at December 24, 2013 12:35 PM (UAMVq)
Does anyone know how to do the Turkey Trot? It was all the rage during my youth. You know the gig, bathtub gin and dancing for the win.
Posted by: Abe Vigoda at December 24, 2013 12:35 PM (pJF+c)
Posted by: Abe Vigoda
Ask Vic.
Posted by: rickb223 at December 24, 2013 12:36 PM (d0Dmj)
Just put the thing out on the counter overnight to defrost, then lose your meat thermometer.
Posted by: Weird Aunt HeatherRadish at December 24, 2013 12:37 PM (xW2bf)
I'm very pleased to know the turkey is now in the game. Maybe the perverts will finally leave me alone.
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Posted by: The Clash at December 24, 2013 12:39 PM (0vTuh)
Erdogan said that “Democracy is like a train: when you reach your destination, you get off.”
What is markedly less known is that during the same period he repeatedly explained why his ideology is inherently tyrannical.
Erdogan is on video saying: “You cannot be both secular and a Muslim! You will either be a Muslim, or secular! When both are together, they create reverse magnetism [i.e.they repel one another]. For them to exist together is not a possibility! Therefore, it is not possible for a person who says “I am a Muslim” to go on and say “I am secular, too.” And why is that? Because Allah, the creator of the Muslim, has absolute power and rule!” He went on to say, “When [does the sovereignty belong to the people]? It is only when they go to the polls [every five years] that sovereignty belongs to the people. But both materially, and in essence, sovereignty unconditionally and always belongs to Allah!” This might sound arbitrary and irrelevant to Western readers, but it is not. The overarching theological drive of Islamists is the implementation of the sovereignty of Allah on earth, known as Hakimiyyat Allah, using a divinely mandated set of laws, referred to as Sharia. The problem with the sovereignty of Allah is that it may not be undone by mere mortals, since of course the sovereignty of the people is inferior to the sovereignty of Allah. This means that Islamist doctrine does not allow them to be democratically removed from power, and this makes their ideology inherently tyrannical.
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Posted by: Cthuken at December 24, 2013 12:40 PM (0vTuh)
They just haven't graduated to the DNC Solyndra legal style rent-seeking.
Posted by: DaveA[/i][/b][/s] at December 24, 2013 12:41 PM (DL2i+)
Posted by: Truck Monkey, Gruntled New Business Owner at December 24, 2013 12:41 PM (jucos)
It's actually called Montezuma's Revenge, and best cured with the Brown Bomber, a little brown pill from Mexico. Take two pills and wait four days for a blowout explosion.
Posted by: General Santa Ana Clinton at December 24, 2013 12:41 PM (pJF+c)
Santa's on the way, and I'm hoping to receive a new strap-on and a few dozen extra pairs of bikini panties because I frequently lose mine during my frequent assignations.
Posted by: Sandra Fluke at December 24, 2013 12:44 PM (pJF+c)
But other than that, islam is a very pieceful religion!
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Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at December 24, 2013 12:46 PM (HVff2)
The real devil is Teh Fred! and his reverse mortgage lobby.
Posted by: wooga at December 24, 2013 04:24 PM (f+0kK)
More like Teh FED.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 24, 2013 04:27 PM (olDqf)
Yup. This is a sneak peek of the rhetoric we'll see here once interest rates return to something resembling normalcy with a $20T+ "official" national debt.
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Posted by: JackStraw at December 24, 2013 04:31 PM (g1DWB)
That's interesting and I did not know that. It's strange too as Turkey is a member of NATO.
I'd have to say that Turkey isn't acting much like an ally. It looks like the EU dodged a bullet in not letting Turkey in; maybe it's time to boot Turkey from NATO too.
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Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 24, 2013 01:08 PM (olDqf)
128 They did when they looked up mine- go get your colonoscopy today!!!...
...or at your next scheduled convenience
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In other news, Twitter has apologized for blocking the #standwithphil link.
And the price of a first class stamp is going up 3 cents as of Jan. 26th.
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The judge said five to ten but I say double that again I'm not working for the clampdown
Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at December 24, 2013 02:30 PM (HubSo)
I'd have to say that Turkey isn't acting much like an ally. It looks like the EU dodged a bullet in not letting Turkey in; maybe it's time to boot Turkey from NATO too.
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Where do you think Europe gets most of its gas from? Hint: it ain't NATO.
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