June 24, 2013

On Obama's Own National-Security Leaking
— Ace

NR's Kevin Williamson writes, in a qualified, partial defense of Edward Snowden:

What is worrisome to me is the double standard we all seem to have accepted here. If we are to put people in prison for violating our classified-information laws, then we have to deal with the fact that official Washington abuses those laws while at the same time being the main violator of them. For example, the Obama administration is pretty clearly leaking classified information to the media when it suits it to do so. Placing Anwar al-Awlaki on the CIA hit list did not end up on the front page of the New York Times without the White House’s blessing. We can take the Times at its word on that: “‘The danger Awlaki poses to this country is no longer confined to words,’ said an American official, who like other current and former officials interviewed for this article spoke of the classified counterterrorism measures on the condition of anonymity.” The Times reports the crime as though it were standard operating procedure, because it is.

My objection here is not to simple hypocrisy but to the creation of a standard of selective prosecution under which official Washington can use leaks of classified information as a political weapon while at the same time using the prosecution of rival leaks as a political weapon. We are in effect adopting the Nixon rule: When the president does it, it isnÂ’t illegal.

Mario Loyola writes further on the problem.

I assume at the beginning that the president does not publicly release his order to make certain information non-classified and thus non-criminal to release to the public. I assume this because I have never heard of such an order being disclosed. I assume the order to declassify material is itself secret. Thus he can declassify information at will without having it ever noted that he did so, or questioned, or challenged.

If my assumption that these orders are either themselves secret or else no paperwork whatsoever is filed, and the president decides what he will self-declassify on a whim, then the situation can largely be fixed by requiring Executive Orders declassifying information to be public, not secret.

If the president and his Praetorian Public Relations Guard are forced to have it made part of the official record of the United States each time they declassify information about, say, SEAL Team 6, in order to reap a public relations windfall, they will be restrained in doing so.

Under the current system -- if there's even a system -- the president can never be questioned about these declassifications because if they were officially declassified, that order is itself secret, and more than likely there is no official declassification (and the president is then in breach of the law).

Under a system of full and public disclosure, the president would be brought under the law he supposedly serves, and if his selective declassification becomes obnoxious or detrimental to the security of the United States, at least the voters may have their say.

It seems rather obvious that an order which declassifies information -- which makes that information legal to discuss publicly -- should not itself be secret. If the information is no longer secret, why the hell should the order stating it's no longer secret itself be secret?

Only for one reason: To permit the president to make such declassification decisions on a whim and furthermore to be completely immunized from questions regarding such decisions. You can't ask him why he declassified material about the operations of SEAL Team 6 if he refuses to admit he's done so.

We currently have the worst of all possible worlds. We should at least have a middling-bad of all worlds. That doesn't seem like too high a goal to aim for.

Posted by: Ace at 10:58 AM | Comments (265)
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1 Foist?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at June 24, 2013 10:59 AM (0HooB)

2 Let it burn

Posted by: phoenixgirl@phxazgrl at June 24, 2013 10:59 AM (mOp0m)

3 first

Posted by: Mallfly, man of Mystery at June 24, 2013 11:00 AM (bJm7W)

4 *dons tinfoil hat*

Still wondering if the leak about SEAL Team 6 taking out bin Laden led to their deaths in the helicopter crash in A-stan.

Lot of unanswered questions. 

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 24, 2013 11:01 AM (lVPtV)

5 rats...

"Under a system of full and public disclosure, the president would be brought under the law he supposedly serves..."

I think I see the problem here...

Posted by: Mallfly... at June 24, 2013 11:02 AM (bJm7W)

6 I won, proles.

Posted by: Caliph Barry I at June 24, 2013 11:02 AM (B/VB5)

7 Double standard indeed.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at June 24, 2013 11:02 AM (0HooB)

8 Rules are for Proles

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at June 24, 2013 11:02 AM (57bzg)

9 I think that what has been publicized from Snowden does not give anything new to the bad guys, but it threatens the program to be disclosed to the American public.

Posted by: blaster at June 24, 2013 11:02 AM (c28BI)

10 My objection here is not to simple hypocrisy but to the creation of a standard of selective prosecution under which official Washington can use leaks of classified information as a political weapon while at the same time using the prosecution of rival leaks as a political weapon

amen,  one could also mention the Seal leak, and Seal team Six actually paying for it!

Posted by: willow at June 24, 2013 11:02 AM (nqBYe)

11 If my assumption that these orders are either themselves secret or else no paperwork whatsoever is filed, and the president decides what he will self-declassify on a whim, then the situation can largely be fixed by requiring Executive Orders declassifying information to be public, not secret.

I'm pretty sure the courts would rule any such law as a political question of executive privilege and SoP, and the executive could safely ignore it.

Posted by: toby928© Red Partisan at June 24, 2013 11:03 AM (codCi)

12 Obama leaks like Miley Cyrus' cooter.

Posted by: Arms Merchant at June 24, 2013 11:03 AM (5RUlF)

13 Yeah, I wonder about ST6  myself.  That's just too coincidental.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at June 24, 2013 11:03 AM (0HooB)

14 It amazes me people are upset about an oath snowden broke when our elected officials have broken theirs.... The constitution protects us from the spying yet every branch of govt knows about the spying and NONE OF THEM STEPPED FORWARD STOP IT!!!!!

Posted by: phoenixgirl@phxazgrl at June 24, 2013 11:03 AM (mOp0m)

15 It's not illegal when the President does it.

Posted by: Richard Nixon at June 24, 2013 11:03 AM (ZPrif)

16 Capt. Gutsycall loves America.  Therefore, we can all rest assured that when he makes secret declassification decisions, they're made in the best interests of the nation.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 24, 2013 11:04 AM (8ZskC)

17 We're all fucked.

Posted by: © Sponge at June 24, 2013 11:04 AM (xmcEQ)

18 I'm starting to think that it's a conspiracy that a new post goes up right after I comment on the one prior. RACISTZZZ I did smack the troll. You're welcome.

Posted by: baldilocks at June 24, 2013 11:04 AM (s+Cb9)

19 The ST 6 parents who came forward on Fox asking questions about the helicopter crash also had their phone tapped. 

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 24, 2013 11:04 AM (lVPtV)

20 zzzzzzzzzzzzZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzz

Posted by: The MSM, Vigilent Watchdogs of Democracy at June 24, 2013 11:04 AM (8ZskC)

21 You know what this booming economy really needs? A carbon tax!

Posted by: Chris M at June 24, 2013 11:04 AM (k3w9p)

22 We are in effect adopting the Nixon rule: When the president does it, it isnÂ’t illegal. Henceforth known as The Obama Rule.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows Lois Lerner lies at June 24, 2013 11:05 AM (xw77v)

23 4 *dons tinfoil hat* Still wondering if the leak about SEAL Team 6 taking out bin Laden led to their deaths in the helicopter crash in A-stan. Lot of unanswered questions. Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 24, 2013 03:01 PM (lVPtV) I don't wonder. I'm sure of it.

Posted by: baldilocks at June 24, 2013 11:05 AM (s+Cb9)

24 >>>12 Obama leaks like Miley Cyrus' cooter. So long as it does not reach Amanda Bynes levels, we should be safe. I denounce myself for knowing who those girls are.

Posted by: wooga at June 24, 2013 11:05 AM (bda9e)

25 Oh, but it's only bad when Boosh does it.

Posted by: The Media at June 24, 2013 11:05 AM (5RUlF)

26 Obama leaks like Miley Cyrus' cooter. Similar odor too.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows Lois Lerner lies at June 24, 2013 11:06 AM (xw77v)

27 Good thing Obama is so transparent. Too bad his policies aren't.

Posted by: Roy at June 24, 2013 11:06 AM (VndSC)

28 Whatever Snowden gave to China/Russia, so far it's been enough to keep him on their good side. In open defiance of the President and SecState. It could very well be that they're just mildly abusing Obama because they can, or it could be because Snowden proved valuable. I don't rule anything out.

Posted by: Lincolntf at June 24, 2013 11:06 AM (ZshNr)

29 here's a phrase that you all need to understand and accept from now on:

It's all academic.

Posted by: soothsayer, now with 20% less ruth at June 24, 2013 11:06 AM (KeJAW)

30 Oh it gets better Ace...his casual and hyper partisan use of classification and leaking tells me he will indulge in playing SERIOUS games as he leaves office most especially if he is succeeded by a republican somehow...

and legally there's nothing we can do short of impeachment...

the guy is NOT in the same office we've had for +200 years

Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at June 24, 2013 11:06 AM (LRFds)

31 *dons tinfoil hat*

Still wondering if the leak about SEAL Team 6 taking out bin Laden led to their deaths in the helicopter crash in A-stan.

Lot of unanswered questions.

I'll go one further.  What if Obama's people leaked info about that flight as a sort of "blood money" payment to balance the scales after killing ObLadin.

Posted by: bonhomme at June 24, 2013 11:06 AM (yKTI2)

32 "Still wondering if the leak about SEAL Team 6 taking out bin Laden led to their deaths in the helicopter crash in A-stan." Is anyone still wondering whether or not the State Department and the first Affirmative Action Presnit left the guys in Benghazi to fend for themselves too? These folks are capable of anything. I would answer: yes in the former and no; there is no doubt that is what happened in the latter.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at June 24, 2013 11:06 AM (57bzg)

33 Laws are for the law-abiding. If you refuse to abide by laws, they don't really affect you all that much.

Posted by: © Sponge at June 24, 2013 11:07 AM (xmcEQ)

34 While I am sympatheic to  Snowden  Because I  can not see how one actually outs information that the Public actually SHOULD hear  in a safe way. Media? HAHA, Govt dept's HAHA. ,

still Snowden in Russia.  i don't know and while some say China got His information contained in 4 laptops ?
(I am not sure where that info came from and is veritable)


yes i'm yelling a little bit. sorry.

Posted by: willow at June 24, 2013 11:07 AM (nqBYe)

35 Opening arguments by the defense are going on for ever. I like My cousins vinny's better: " everything that said is bullshit" and sits down

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 24, 2013 11:07 AM (9Bj8R)

36 At this point, what difference does it make?

Posted by: future ex-President Hillary Clinton at June 24, 2013 11:07 AM (xw77v)

37 I denounce myself for knowing who those girls are.

I hate that the only way to NOT hear their names is to be an Adirondack hermit. 

And even they probably can't avoid seeing the magazine covers when they go into town for a new tarp.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at June 24, 2013 11:07 AM (/kI1Q)

38 What difference does it make now? No one pays any attention to TFG, his second term ended months ago. Its just zombie Obama from here on out.

Posted by: Cankles in Stiletto Heels at June 24, 2013 11:07 AM (oDCMR)

39 "We currently have the worst of all possible worlds."

no... imagine if Obama weren't the most intelligent president we've ever had. think of all the dumb things he might do then.

Posted by: Mallfly... at June 24, 2013 11:08 AM (bJm7W)

40 verifiable*

Posted by: willow at June 24, 2013 11:08 AM (nqBYe)

41

Welcome  to  the  Police  State.

 

 

Und ... you  vill  like  it.

Posted by: Obersturmbahnfuerer Holder at June 24, 2013 11:08 AM (5RUlF)

42

How about B.O. spoiling all the intelligence gathered during the Bin Ladin raid?   What genius allowed  him to immediately spoil the intel, instead of sitting on it and rolling up the terrorist network?

 

Posted by: I'm the honey Badger, BITCH! at June 24, 2013 11:08 AM (Wy05x)

43 That promise I made about your mouth?
 
Classified
 
My school records?
 
Top Secret Classified
 
Romney's tax records?
 
Here, have a look-see.

Posted by: King Barky The First at June 24, 2013 11:08 AM (ccXZP)

44 I'm still conflicted. I don't know whether to be outraged at what the gov't is doing, or outraged at the person who told me about it.

Posted by: franksalterego at June 24, 2013 11:08 AM (omVzF)

45 I am just wondering how far off we are from the point that non-Obama supporters are labelled dissidents and rounded up for the camps or extermination. How long now?

Posted by: Jmel at June 24, 2013 11:08 AM (9tSXa)

46 There's not much point to having a classification system to reign in the executive branch, just as there's not much point to having     laws    -       since the white house chooses which laws they will ignore, they would do the same with classified intelligence.  They    key takeaway is that the citizenry need to become more willing to ignore laws they do not approve of, just as this administration has.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at June 24, 2013 11:09 AM (jqLfq)

47 although it is pretty bad, given who the Speaker of the House is.

Posted by: Mallfly... at June 24, 2013 11:09 AM (bJm7W)

48 The First Rule of Police State is that you don't talk about Police State.

Posted by: toby928© Red Partisan at June 24, 2013 11:09 AM (codCi)

49 It could very well be that they're just mildly abusing Obama because they can, or it could be because Snowden proved valuable. I don't rule anything out.

Given Putin's faces and body language in recent meetings with TFG, I think he may hate the guy even more than we do.

Posted by: Ian S. at June 24, 2013 11:09 AM (B/VB5)

50 32 *dons tinfoil hat* Still wondering if the leak about SEAL Team 6 taking out bin Laden led to their deaths in the helicopter crash in A-stan. Lot of unanswered questions. I'll go one further. What if Obama's people leaked info about that flight as a sort of "blood money" payment to balance the scales after killing ObLadin. Posted by: bonhomme at June 24, 2013 03:06 PM (yKTI2) That's what I think too. And besides those SEALS, too many others "coincidentally" dying: murders, suicides, accidents. You can put quotation marks around each.

Posted by: baldilocks at June 24, 2013 11:09 AM (s+Cb9)

51 Sorry, ratfuck Biden demonstrably got members of Seal Team Six killed.

If you're not prosecuting that, fuck off on going after anyone else.

I mean, unless you're the Obama Administration, the most corrupt, grotesque Administration in US History, that is ...

Posted by: acethepug at June 24, 2013 11:09 AM (T4wxI)

52 How about B.O. spoiling all the intelligence gathered during the Bin Ladin raid? What genius allowed him to immediately spoil the intel, instead of sitting on it and rolling up the terrorist network?


The same genius who thought it was a good idea to dump the corpse in the drink before anyone had a good look at it?

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at June 24, 2013 11:10 AM (8ZskC)

53

>>>>I am just wondering how far off we are from the point that non-Obama supporters are labelled dissidents and rounded up for the camps or extermination. How long now?

 

 

A while after the ammo runs out. Not soon though.

Posted by: Roy at June 24, 2013 11:10 AM (VndSC)

54 Hey, don't bother us with Obama-leaked-this or the NYT-leaked-that. We're too busy lynching Paula Deen for being white, heavy and full of delicious butter.

Posted by: George Orwell in his cups at June 24, 2013 11:11 AM (xw77v)

55

Posted by: I'm the honey Badger, BITCH! at June 24, 2013 03:08 PM (Wy05x)

 

All other  considerations  are  subordinated  to  politics  in  this  administration.

Posted by: Arms Merchant at June 24, 2013 11:11 AM (5RUlF)

56 Zimmerman's lawyer is a cluster fuck

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 24, 2013 11:11 AM (9Bj8R)

57 Romney's tax records?

Here, have a look-see.

Posted by: King Barky The First at June 24, 2013 03:08 PM (ccXZP)


hell conservatives tax records given over to their political opponents.


how crazy is that?

Posted by: willow at June 24, 2013 11:12 AM (nqBYe)

58 Zimmerman's lawyer is a cluster fuck Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 24, 2013 03:11 PM (9Bj8R) No one wanted that case. The deck is sofaking stacked against Zimmerman, it's a fools errand.

Posted by: © Sponge at June 24, 2013 11:12 AM (xmcEQ)

59 When I was in the military, working in a sensitive area, I saw orders come down with lists of material to be declassified.  It only happened once when I was working that particular job, but it was a formal order.   So there has to be a sort of cascade that begins somewhere, if not from the president's office.

Posted by: Soona at June 24, 2013 11:12 AM (ls4V8)

60 hell conservatives tax records given over to their political opponents.
how crazy is that?

Posted by: willow at June 24, 2013 03:12 PM (nqBYe)

-

By the IRS

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at June 24, 2013 11:13 AM (jqLfq)

61 Dershowitz should've done it pro bono. He knows what's up in this case.

Posted by: Lincolntf at June 24, 2013 11:13 AM (ZshNr)

62 Funny how no one, to this day, is able to leak Barry Soetero's school transcripts.

Posted by: George Orwell in his cups at June 24, 2013 11:13 AM (xw77v)

63 Declassification of documents is placed on record and retained if procedures are the same as they were when I was in the Navy.  So the record is out there, it just requires someone to release it.

Posted by: Vic at June 24, 2013 11:13 AM (lZvxr)

64 Zimmerman's lawyer keeps getting slapped down in opening arguments. Opening arguments for G-D's sake? Did he go to a mail order law school?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 24, 2013 11:14 AM (9Bj8R)

65 We're too busy lynching Paula Deen for being white, heavy and full of delicious butter.

Tell me more about this butter, and your plan to harvest it.

Posted by: bonhomme at June 24, 2013 11:14 AM (yKTI2)

66 >>>>>And even they probably can't avoid seeing the magazine covers when they go into town for a new tarp. "New tarp" is the code word for Sandra Fluke dental dam.

Posted by: wooga at June 24, 2013 11:14 AM (bda9e)

67

Its worse.

 

Its long been held by the Courts that Non Citizens, inside the US, still have Constitutional Rights because the Bill of Rights does NOT differentiate between non Citizens, and Citizens.  It restricts the GOVERNMENT from what it can do.

 

Or, in other words... the US government needs a legal warrant to search, including who, what is being searched, and what they are looking for.

 

Now, Spies were given a pass on this in the past, because they were OUTSIDE the US, and thus covered by Foreign Law.  But the NSA stuff is done INSIDE the US... and the Constitution does NOT differentiate between Citizens, and NON-Citizens.

 

Thus, although the Administration keeps saying they are not breaking the Constitution because they are doing it to foreigners, they are wrong.

Posted by: Romeo13 at June 24, 2013 11:14 AM (lZBBB)

68
Since there are no crimes for which Teh Won can be impeached - a law requiring the chief executive to publicly release what documents he is declassifying is as toothless as requiring criminals to register their guns; good luck with that.

The USA no longer exists - welcome to the USSA; the Union of Soviet States of America.

"All men are equal and some men are more equal than others."
The Constitution of the USSA

 

Posted by: [/i] [/b] [/u] [/s] An Observation at June 24, 2013 11:14 AM (ylhEn)

69

hell conservatives tax records given over to their political opponents.
how crazy is that?

 

Ask  Jack  Ryan how he liked   TFG  being able to   somehow, miraculously get his divorce   records unsealed.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at June 24, 2013 11:14 AM (0HooB)

70

So... imagine a world where  President  George W. Bush decides, let's say, to declassify the information regarding Valery Plame's employment status.

 

How would our media react to such  a thing? 

Posted by: BurtTC at June 24, 2013 11:15 AM (TOk1P)

71 New tarp is code for Helen Thomas in a bathing suit.

Posted by: Thunderb at June 24, 2013 11:15 AM (hwoLz)

72 It's all just a Red Panda

Posted by: Notachanceinhell at June 24, 2013 11:15 AM (jJA/4)

73 60 Sponge,

which is sad...I'm hoping Ayoob took it but I don't think he did.

Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at June 24, 2013 11:16 AM (LRFds)

74 Romeo and correct me if I read another article wrong, but doesn't the UK also get Our information or is being gathered by Them?

another country? given a pass to american citizens records?

Posted by: willow at June 24, 2013 11:16 AM (nqBYe)

75 the worst of all possible worlds

Was that was the B-side to "Why Can't This Be Love"?

Posted by: Waterhouse at June 24, 2013 11:16 AM (Kppp9)

76 Excellent piece by Michelle Malkin on the Camp Bastion, A-stan coverup.  Remember the attack on 9/14 that left two U. S. Marines dead and $200 mil worth of aircraft damaged/destroyed?

http://tinyurl.com/dxem9cp

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 24, 2013 11:16 AM (lVPtV)

77 imagine a world where President George W. Bush decides, let's say, to declassify the information regarding Valery Plame's employment status. How would our media react to such a thing? Like totally different, man. Because Iraq imperialism Boooosh daddy issues dissent is patriotism shut up.

Posted by: George Orwell in his cups at June 24, 2013 11:17 AM (xw77v)

78 Paula Deen..supported the JEF in his initial election and then had the temerity to call the Wookie out for being a glutton in an interview. Sucks to be Paula Deen..Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at June 24, 2013 11:17 AM (57bzg)

79 I saw your smack-down, baldilocks. And a fine thing it wa, too. Look out for the idiot to move here to the new thread and smack him again.

Posted by: Retread at June 24, 2013 11:17 AM (sRsX7)

80 darn it I missed Baldilocks smack down.  : {

Posted by: willow at June 24, 2013 11:18 AM (nqBYe)

81 So... imagine a world where President George W. Bush decides, let's say, to declassify the information regarding Valery Plame's employment status. How would our media react to such a thing? Posted by: BurtTC at June 24, 2013 03:15 PM (TOk1P) That would be....awesome! Heads exploding everywhere.

Posted by: Mainah at June 24, 2013 11:18 AM (659DL)

82 There ain't no SCOAMF like our tyranny loving SCOAMF...

Posted by: MoeRon at June 24, 2013 11:18 AM (yNBMs)

83 81 I saw your smack-down, baldilocks. And a fine thing it wa, too. Look out for the idiot to move here to the new thread and smack him again. Posted by: Retread at June 24, 2013 03:17 PM (sRsX7) ::: ever vigilant :::

Posted by: baldilocks at June 24, 2013 11:18 AM (s+Cb9)

84 Paula Deen..supported the JEF in his initial election and then had the temerity to call the Wookie out for being a glutton in an interview. Lie down with the dogs and you get fleas. Of course, that comparison is not fair to the noble dog.

Posted by: George Orwell in his cups at June 24, 2013 11:19 AM (xw77v)

85 Lawyer fr Zimmerman is just G-D awful

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 24, 2013 11:19 AM (9Bj8R)

86 .

Posted by: nip at June 24, 2013 11:19 AM (lGVXf)

87 Seriously, I forgot Deen supported Obastard. But will she learn her lesson? She's learning it good and hard now.

Posted by: George Orwell in his cups at June 24, 2013 11:20 AM (xw77v)

88 Is the Pakistani doctor who aided us still in custody?  You know, the one who we outed.

Posted by: ejo at June 24, 2013 11:20 AM (GXvSO)

89 Zimmerman's lawyer keeps getting slapped down in opening arguments. Opening arguments for G-D's sake? Did he go to a mail order law school?

I see you are not familiar with the operations of the new people's courts in the modern USSA. Silly rabbit, he was trained in the function of the court system as it used to exist in the obsolete USA. For instance in a people's court the verdict is decided long before the trial starts and no interference with that verdict is allowed.

Posted by: [/i] [/b] [/u] [/s] An Observation at June 24, 2013 11:20 AM (ylhEn)

90 There was a lengthy article on Paula in the local paper.  The woman bringing charges against Paula's brother offered to drop the whole thing for a million dollars.  Also, the woman's attorney (out of Atlanta) tweeted some vile, sexually explicit things about Paula.

Anyhow, she's a bonafide Obamabot.  Too bad.  Her fellow libs have turned on another of their own.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 24, 2013 11:21 AM (lVPtV)

91 I see you are not familiar with the operations of the new people's courts in the modern USSA. Silly rabbit, he was trained in the function of the court system as it used to exist in the obsolete USA. For instance in a people's court the verdict is decided long before the trial starts and no interference with that verdict is allowed.

Your guilt has already been determined.  This is a sentencing hearing.

Posted by: bonhomme at June 24, 2013 11:21 AM (yKTI2)

92 re the sidebar:  Politicians elected to 'federal'  ( national U.S. govt ) office cannot be recalled


Many states allow this, especially in the west and midwest, but not for the feds

Posted by: Bertie Ahern at June 24, 2013 11:21 AM (omBWL)

93 Yeah the attack that killed the marines and had our jets blown up was the most aircraft lost in one sitting since Vietnam and the media.....did not report SHIT

fucking asshole media...

they need remedial training with a louisville slugger

Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at June 24, 2013 11:22 AM (LRFds)

94 "Zimmerman's lawyer is a cluster fuck" I've been told by some pretty good trial lawyers that if your opponent does not object to your opening statement at least once or twice, you ain't tryin' hard enough.

Posted by: MoeRon at June 24, 2013 11:22 AM (yNBMs)

95

I see you are not familiar with the operations of the new people's courts in the modern USSA. Silly rabbit, he was trained in the function of the court system as it used to exist in the obsolete USA. For instance in a people's court the verdict is decided long before the trial starts and no interference with that verdict is allowed.

 

And the crime   comes last  of all.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at June 24, 2013 11:22 AM (0HooB)

96 Is the Pakistani doctor who aided us still in custody? You know, the one who we outed.

Posted by: ejo at June 24, 2013 03:20 PM (GXvSO)


What does it matter now.


or the video guy?


what does it matter now?

Posted by: willow at June 24, 2013 11:22 AM (nqBYe)

97  Funny how no one, to this day, is able to leak Barry Soetero's school transcripts.

Posted by: George Orwell in his cups at June 24, 2013 03:13 PM (xw77v)

 

 

-----------------------------------------------

 

 

It makes me wonder if there  are  any transcripts at all.  His whole life seems to be made out of vapor.

Posted by: Soona at June 24, 2013 11:22 AM (ls4V8)

98 New tarp is code for Helen Thomas in a bathing suit. Burkha.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 24, 2013 11:23 AM (uVkIH)

99 Paula Deen..supported the JEF in his initial election and then had the temerity to call the Wookie out for being a glutton in an interview.

Sucks to be Paula Deen..Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at June 24, 2013 03:17 PM (57bzg)

And she has paid the ultimate price via the N-Word.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes C'est Magnifique at June 24, 2013 11:23 AM (kXoT0)

100 92 Jane D'oh,

bad for her but an opportunity if Boner betrays us...

their coalition is going to blow apart

Conservatives can help

Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at June 24, 2013 11:23 AM (LRFds)

101 We've always been at war with Eastasia.

Posted by: Minuteman at June 24, 2013 11:23 AM (lFfmN)

102 Is the Pakistani doctor who aided us still in custody? You know, the one who we outed.

Posted by: ejo at June 24, 2013 03:20 PM (GXvSO)

What does it matter now.
or the video guy?
what does it matter now?
Posted by: willow

or the FBI guy in Iran?

Posted by: Jean at June 24, 2013 11:23 AM (CMlD4)

103 84There ain't no SCOAMF like our tyranny tranny  loving SCOAMF...

Posted by: MoeRon at June 24, 2013 03:18 PM (yNBMs)

 

FIFY

Posted by: Arms Merchant at June 24, 2013 11:24 AM (5RUlF)

104 Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 24, 2013 03:19 PM (9Bj8R)

Z's lawyer must be an establishment Republican to be this incompetent!

Posted by: Hrothgar at June 24, 2013 11:24 AM (Cnqmv)

105 92 There was a lengthy article on Paula in the local paper. The woman bringing charges against Paula's brother offered to drop the whole thing for a million dollars. Also, the woman's attorney (out of Atlanta) tweeted some vile, sexually explicit things about Paula. Anyhow, she's a bonafide Obamabot. Too bad. Her fellow libs have turned on another of their own. Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 24, 2013 03:21 PM (lVPtV) History shows that Leftists are treachery personified. But I guess that if such people actually read the history of Leftism, they wouldn't be Leftists.

Posted by: baldilocks at June 24, 2013 11:24 AM (s+Cb9)

106 95 Yeah the attack that killed the marines and had our jets blown up was the most aircraft lost in one sitting since Vietnam and the media.....did not report SHIT


Apparently the commander who gave orders for the Marines to disarm themselves before hearing Panetta gave orders for little to no security on Bastion prior to the attack.

Bastion was where our son lived between convoys while he was over there.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 24, 2013 11:24 AM (lVPtV)

107 the Voracious Tweeter from the Zimm trial ( noted in the sidebar ) thinks that the first state witness is actually making the case for Zimm


is it tribalism, or tribalism-tribalism?

Posted by: Bertie Ahern at June 24, 2013 11:25 AM (omBWL)

108 or the FBI guy in Iran?

Posted by: Jean at June 24, 2013 03:23 PM (CMlD4)


OK ,I have not heard of this story of the FBI guy in Iran?

Posted by: willow at June 24, 2013 11:25 AM (nqBYe)

109 It seems rather obvious that an order which declassifies information -- which makes that information legal to discuss publicly -- should not itself be secret. If the information is no longer secret, why the hell should the order stating it's no longer secret itself be secret? Oh it gets better. Go read this. http://bit.ly/16GA4fv Now, presuming this article is accurate, and taking into account that defense lawyers can, do and will, with gleeful abandon, spin everything to their client's best interest, it most certainly appears that district courts are handing down orders supporting the findings of FISA courts without letting the attorneys for the person involved even read the fucking order. Oh, that's not troubling in the least little bit. Not at all. Nope. Nothing to see here, move along. Now read this - http://bit.ly/11nyRJo We're being told trust us. Okay fine. So when a US citizen is brought to trial using information that was mistakenly gathered in a metadata mining operation the government's position will be that, no, our defense team can't see the legal justification for gathering that information in the first place and a judge will then issue an order upholding that determination without letting our lawyer read it. I see no possible way that can go wrong.

Posted by: alexthechick - Bring the SMOD at June 24, 2013 11:25 AM (VtjlW)

110

another country? given a pass to american citizens records?

 


 

Posted by: willow at June 24, 2013 03:16 PM (nqBYe)

 

 

I've seen rumors around the privacy crowd to that effect... going back to Echelon... but no real hard evidence...

 

But the dividing line between Tin Foil Hat conspiracies... and reality... has been proven to be much thinner than most thought...

Posted by: Romeo13 at June 24, 2013 11:25 AM (lZBBB)

111 Nullify the federal law.

Restore state sovereignty.

Evict the ruling squatters.

Posted by: RiverC at June 24, 2013 11:25 AM (El+h4)

112 *crickets*

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at June 24, 2013 11:25 AM (GQ72I)

113 Funny how no one, to this day, is able to leak Barry Soetero's school transcripts.
Posted by: George Orwell in his cups at June 24, 2013 03:13 PM (xw77v)


-----------------------------------------------


It makes me wonder if there are any transcripts at all. His whole life seems to be made out of vapor.

Does anyone know what sort of record there would normally be?  Would the transcript information be in a paper record, on microfiche, in a database? 

If it's one of the first two, those would be easy to remove and lock in a vault somewhere.  If it's the latter, it's probably been deleted since before he started his Presidential Campaign.

Posted by: bonhomme at June 24, 2013 11:25 AM (yKTI2)

114 Dershowitz should've done it pro bono. He knows what's up in this case.

Posted by: Lincolntf at June 24, 2013 03:13 PM (ZshNr)


Dershowitz is more of a constitutional/appellate lawyer.  I don't know how effective he would have been in this situation.

Posted by: Zombie John Gotti at June 24, 2013 11:26 AM (Gkhxf)

115 Zimmerman's lawyer keeps getting slapped down in opening arguments. Opening arguments for G-D's sake? Did he go to a mail order law school?

Delicious bourbon, brownest of the brown liquors. What's that? You want me to drink you? But I'm in the middle of a trial ...

Posted by: Lionel Hutz, Esquire at June 24, 2013 11:26 AM (Kppp9)

116 #111

Second look at Star Chamber?

Posted by: RiverC at June 24, 2013 11:26 AM (El+h4)

117 or our  small children being harassed and in some cases attempt to prosecute for having the Wrong thoughts.
(yeah off track but ,in the same family as Punish those who don't agree with you)

Posted by: willow at June 24, 2013 11:27 AM (nqBYe)

118 "Anyhow, she's a bonafide Obamabot" No sympathy here. If you're a business owner stupid enough to put in with SCOAMF, you get what you deserve. In her case, was it white guilt or just stupidity? Too many pretentious meals with the NY based Food Network libs?

Posted by: MoeRon at June 24, 2013 11:27 AM (yNBMs)

119 The story about Barky's transcripts is pretty easy to figure out.

If he was the "brilliant" scholar the Left paints him to be, we'd have seen them by now.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 24, 2013 11:27 AM (lVPtV)

120 Posted by: Soona at June 24, 2013 03:22 PM (ls4V

Don't see how you could verify them, but I wish Nat'l Enquirer (or Koch Bros) would offer $100,000 for them.

Posted by: Hrothgar at June 24, 2013 11:27 AM (Cnqmv)

121 108 Jane D'oh,

I recall his being in the 'stan....

the amouint of green on blue Ogabe has engendered makes me ill

Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at June 24, 2013 11:27 AM (LRFds)

122 And she has paid the ultimate price via the N-Word. Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes C'est Magnifique I think it's appropriate that PC was used against her; it is especially delicious that the term 'n***er' is used as a term of endearment between black people; especially gangsta celebrities and the likes of St. Skittles.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at June 24, 2013 11:27 AM (57bzg)

123

Love that Snowden is now in the company of Assange and WikiLeaks.  Assange and Manning are heros to the liberals.   Snowden should get the same treatment right?  I guess now that Obama is in charge things are different. 

Personally, I consider Snowden a patriot for blowing the whistle, but his actions since have disaapointed me.  Its one thing to say "Hey, our government is illegally monitoring its citizens." and quite another to say "hey Commies, let me give you my stolen documents and data and provide a worldwide PR tour to boot."   

Posted by: California Red at June 24, 2013 11:27 AM (aCD1U)

124 opening statements are often mostly Kabuki spiked with tiny bits of  'the color'


if one looks for substance There, one is likely to be disappointed

Posted by: Bertie Ahern at June 24, 2013 11:28 AM (omBWL)

125 Even as just an adviser or a "name". If the current guy is as clownish as it sounds, Zimmerman is fucked. I can't see any coverage right now, is Zim's lawyer anyone special? Other high profile cases or anything?

Posted by: Lincolntf at June 24, 2013 11:28 AM (ZshNr)

126 99 Funny how no one, to this day, is able to leak Barry Soetero's school transcripts. Posted by: George Orwell in his cups at June 24, 2013 03:13 PM (xw77v) ----------------------------------------------- It makes me wonder if there are any transcripts at all. His whole life seems to be made out of vapor. Posted by: Soona at June 24, 2013 03:22 PM (ls4V There aren't and it is. Back in 2008, LA Weekly did a profile on me and the almost parallel circumstances surrounding my life and his (with some obvious differences). I used to joke that he had stolen my identity. Now I'm not so sure that it was a joke.

Posted by: baldilocks at June 24, 2013 11:28 AM (s+Cb9)

127

Funny how no one, to this day, is able to leak Barry Soetero's school transcripts.

 


Posted by: George Orwell in his cups at June 24, 2013 03:13 PM (xw77v)

 

 

Theres an affidavit out there from a Clerk at Occidental College, who saw Barry's paperwork, and he got funding as a Foreign Student from Indonesia...

 

But that's Birther stuff.... sooo... nothing to see here... move along...

Posted by: Romeo13 at June 24, 2013 11:29 AM (lZBBB)

128 120 MoeRon,

she's a legacy Southern Donk made good through work who rose above her class and was at a network...

I don't hate her I sorta pity her like the dodo

because that is what white relatively small business owners do not quitre grasp yet...

they are tasty and really handy....


Bukharin to Stalin comes to mind...

Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at June 24, 2013 11:29 AM (LRFds)

129 I've been told by some pretty good trial lawyers that if your opponent does not object to your opening statement at least once or twice, you ain't tryin' hard enough.

Posted by: MoeRon at June 24, 2013 03:22 PM (yNBMs)


That's part of being a good trial lawyer.  You push the limits to see what you can get away with.  It also gives you a feel for the judge.  I have an uncle who was a lawyer.  He used an "awshucks" down home approach at trial.  Judges were always nice to him because they thought he was just a country boy.

Posted by: Zombie John Gotti at June 24, 2013 11:29 AM (Gkhxf)

130 >> "Zimmerman's lawyer is a cluster fuck"
 
If you are following the tweets of Andrew Branca (sidebar link), you will get a different view of this statement. He thinks West is doing a great job so far, and the prosecution sucks ass.

Posted by: GnuBreed at June 24, 2013 11:29 AM (ccXZP)

131 If he was the "brilliant" scholar the Left paints him to be, we'd have seen them by now.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 24, 2013 03:27 PM (lVPtV)


so true, Front Page News of Every newspaper in the country , oh and everywhere else in the World.

Posted by: willow at June 24, 2013 11:29 AM (nqBYe)

132 128 Baldilocks,

He got foreign aid illegally I'd bet my left nut on it

Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at June 24, 2013 11:29 AM (LRFds)

133 #125

Then again, based on what we've become thanks to Obama, hard to argue TFG isn't scummy enough to make enemies look like friends.

Oh but wait, according to Senators, these people are our 'allies'. Right. Universal Friendship.

Posted by: RiverC at June 24, 2013 11:30 AM (El+h4)

134 Hey, since we are opening the border, let's just leak everything.

Posted by: George Orwell what enjoys going to the feelies at June 24, 2013 11:30 AM (xw77v)

135 "Anyhow, she's a bonafide Obamabot"

He hasn't returned a single penny collected from this vile N-word-using racist, of course.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at June 24, 2013 11:30 AM (/kI1Q)

136 Willow, Robert Levinson is his name

Posted by: Jean at June 24, 2013 11:30 AM (CMlD4)

137 That website "Legal Insurrection" is the best thing I've seen on the trial.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at June 24, 2013 11:30 AM (/wToa)

138 I think it's appropriate that PC was used against her; it is especially delicious that the term 'n***er' is used as a term of endearment between black people; especially gangsta celebrities and the likes of St. Skittles.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at June 24, 2013 03:27 PM (57bzg)

Yeah, I posted about the irony of living a country where HipHop/Rap moguls make millions off of lyrics that are peppered with the N-Word, while Paula loses her career over it.  I asked this, how about if we do this, nobody uses the N-word with impunity--Black or White, instead of being such hypocrites over it?  That way, whomever chooses to use the word is scum.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes C'est Magnifique at June 24, 2013 11:30 AM (kXoT0)

139 This is liberal standard operating procedure. The law is only useful insofar as it can be used to bludgeon the liberal's opponents. As soon as it begins to interfere with their goals, they ignore it. The lawlessness has to stop.

Posted by: Iblis at June 24, 2013 11:30 AM (9221z)

140 >My objection here is not to simple hypocrisy but to the creation of a standard of selective prosecution under which official Washington can use leaks of classified information as a political weapon while at the same time using the prosecution of rival leaks as a political weapon.<

Well then prosecute them. Someone with standing, bring a case they feel is rock solid and take it before the courts.

Better yet, let this traitor Snowden turn himself in and let his lawyers make those arguments. That will show how empty and immune from prosecution they are.

I don't agree with the leaking of information by people in Washington, quite the contrary. They have hurt out country and betrayed the public trust by doing so. But to conflate the clear act of treason with broad, reaching ramifications to our national security with some political hack(s) leaking self promoting classified data is a stretch.

Posted by: Marcus at June 24, 2013 11:30 AM (GGCsk)

141 I fix all my leaks with duct tape

Posted by: The Barrel at June 24, 2013 11:31 AM (jJA/4)

142 The story about Barky's transcripts is pretty easy to figure out.

If he was the "brilliant" scholar the Left paints him to be, we'd have seen them by now.

I'm perfectly willing to believe he got great grades, from the leftiest leftbats the academies kenneled at the time. 

I'm also willing to believe he keeps this secret as a middle finger to anyone who wants to find out more about his past.

I'm also perfectly willing to believe he was worse than a middling student who was promoted for being the right color and of the right philosophy.

Whatever the answer is, I have no doubts of one thing:  We'll never know.

Posted by: bonhomme at June 24, 2013 11:31 AM (yKTI2)

143 #136

Yeah, I mean in the universal brotherhood of Hispanics and their Moderni masters, all information is free, there are no borders or secrets.

Posted by: RiverC at June 24, 2013 11:31 AM (El+h4)

144 Robert Levinson is his name

Posted by: Jean at June 24, 2013 03:30 PM (CMlD4)


Jean thank you, I will do a search , I cannot believe I miss'd something like that.

Posted by: willow at June 24, 2013 11:31 AM (nqBYe)

145 I do feel sorry for Paula's family.  Pretty sure her sons will suffer, as well as her employees.

The Food Network has canned her, and now Fox is saying QVC is cancelling her product line.


Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 24, 2013 11:32 AM (lVPtV)

146 This government selectively decides which laws it will enforce and which laws it will obey. Erecting yet more laws, rules and regulations will not constrain this executive. He is an outlaw.

Posted by: En Raged at June 24, 2013 11:32 AM (NC9no)

147 So, would President Jarrett need to sign Obama's name to these orders?

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at June 24, 2013 11:32 AM (f9c2L)

148 I have an uncle who was a lawyer. He used an "awshucks" down home approach at trial. Judges were always nice to him because they thought he was just a country boy. Posted by: Zombie John Gotti at June 24, 2013 03:29 PM (Gkhxf) Well this lawyer seems to be using the "down right stupid" approach

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 24, 2013 11:32 AM (9Bj8R)

149 Ain't no SCOAMF like an O-bama SCOAMF, cause an O-bama SCOAMF don't stop.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at June 24, 2013 11:33 AM (ZPrif)

150

He got foreign aid illegally I'd bet my left nut on it

 


 

Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at June 24, 2013 03:29 PM (LRFds)

 

 

Nope... he got Foreign Aid LEGALLY... as he was still an Indonesian Citizen, carrying an Indonesian passport...

 

That's my bet.

Posted by: Romeo13 at June 24, 2013 11:33 AM (lZBBB)

151 With the Keystone Cops now in charge, I am beginning to believe that Snowden could have walked in to the NSA and said, "Hey, do mind if I copy a bunch of classified information onto my personal hard drive to take home with me?"  Everyone would have been fine with it as long as he swearsies to not give it to the Russians or Chinese.

Posted by: Zombie John Gotti at June 24, 2013 11:33 AM (Gkhxf)

152 I'm perfectly willing to believe he got great grades

The one thing that we do know for a fact is that Barry Soetoro was not even a National Merit Semi-Finalist.  A big brain this guy is not.

Posted by: toby928© Red Partisan at June 24, 2013 11:33 AM (codCi)

153 He got foreign aid illegally I'd bet my left nut on it My right nut too, but it's the only one that works these days, and part-time at that... OTOH, the failure of defense counsel to abide by the court's rulings and court's sustaining of prosecution's objections, over and over again, will piss a jury off, cost him credibility, and may work against his client.

Posted by: MoeRon at June 24, 2013 11:33 AM (yNBMs)

154 Paula called Michelle out for being a pig ....

Posted by: phoenixgirl@phxazgrl at June 24, 2013 11:34 AM (mOp0m)

155
Nope... he got Foreign Aid LEGALLY... as he was still an Indonesian Citizen, carrying an Indonesian passport...

That's my bet.



That would explain how he traveled to Pokeeston.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 24, 2013 11:34 AM (lVPtV)

156 OT interesting,Zimmerman's parents are barred from court.Trayvon's,of course,not.

Posted by: steevy at June 24, 2013 11:35 AM (9XBK2)

157 Back in 2008, LA Weekly did a profile on me and the almost parallel circumstances surrounding my life and his

Wait, what?  Is this available online or something?

Posted by: Ian S. at June 24, 2013 11:35 AM (B/VB5)

158 150 NGU,

we call it "the Biden Maneuver"

Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at June 24, 2013 11:35 AM (LRFds)

159 alright retired FBI investigator soloing in Iran.  Our Govt has asked for assistance from Iran to find him..years ago.

Posted by: willow at June 24, 2013 11:35 AM (nqBYe)

160

What the fuck is up with the prosecution now?

 

Couldn't both sides stipulate that Trayvon went to buy an ice tea and skittles?  Does it really take two witnesses to establish it?

 

 

Posted by: jwest at June 24, 2013 11:35 AM (u2a4R)

161

"Everyone would have been fine with it as long as he swearsies to not give it to the Russians or Chinese."

 

 

We'll take his word for it as much as we'll take the gubmint's word that they are not keeping all the data they're collecting on us. 

 

Deal, NSA? 

Posted by: Marybeth at June 24, 2013 11:35 AM (Ks0w4)

162 "I'm perfectly willing to believe he got great grades, from the leftiest leftbats the academies kenneled at the time.... I'm also perfectly willing to believe he was worse than a middling student who was promoted for being the right color and of the right philosophy." Thats a lot of words to say 'affirmative action'....

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at June 24, 2013 11:35 AM (57bzg)

163 Nope... he got Foreign Aid LEGALLY... as he was still an Indonesian Citizen, carrying an Indonesian passport... That's my bet. Posted by: Romeo13 at June 24, 2013 03:33 PM (lZBBB) Think it's possible he had dual citizenship at the time, but used only the Indonesian info to qualify for the aid since an Amcit wouldn't qualify?

Posted by: Mainah at June 24, 2013 11:35 AM (659DL)

164 156 Paula called Michelle out for being a pig ....

Posted by: phoenixgirl@phxazgrl at June 24, 2013 03:34 PM (mOp0m)




I've met Paula and every member of her family.  She, and they, are sweet, down-to-earth people.


My understanding of the "n" word incident is it happened when a black bank robber stuck a gun in her face when she was a teller in Albany, GA (which is where she was born and raised).  It affected her deeply, and drove her into a deep depression.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 24, 2013 11:36 AM (lVPtV)

165 144 I'm also perfectly willing to believe he was worse than a middling student who was promoted for being the right color and of the right philosophy. Posted by: bonhomme at June 24, 2013 03:31 PM (yKTI2) There's one thing: No one at Columbia remembers him, save for one student and one professor, both bought no doubt. Look up Wayne Allyn Root, a graduate of the Columbia class of '83 and see what he say about it. Hint: he has no memory of BHO either.

Posted by: baldilocks at June 24, 2013 11:36 AM (s+Cb9)

166

That would explain how he traveled to Pokeeston.

 


 

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 24, 2013 03:34 PM (lVPtV)

 

 

And how he flew back to Hawaii to live with his Grandparents, when the US Gov turned DOWN his Mom's request to put him on HER passport.

Posted by: Romeo13 at June 24, 2013 11:37 AM (lZBBB)

167 'legal insurrection' has a live feed of Zimm trial.  The sidebar guy tweeting like a bunny on meth about the Zimm trial is featured there.

Posted by: Bertie Ahern at June 24, 2013 11:37 AM (omBWL)

168 #158: Prosecution must have invoked the "rule of exclusion", i.e., testifying witnesses aren't allowed in court room - avoids witnesses "matching up their stories" based on what the previous testimony was. Have no idea why Thug Trayvon's mommy and daddy are allowed. Usually the Rule invoked by one side is invoked by all.

Posted by: MoeRon at June 24, 2013 11:37 AM (yNBMs)

169 I'm perfectly willing to believe he got great grades

The one thing that we do know for a fact is that Barry Soetoro was not even a National Merit Semi-Finalist. A big brain this guy is not.

I was selectively edited! 

I said, "I'm perfectly willing to believe he got great grades, from the leftiest leftbats the academies kenneled at the time."

In this hypothetical he's still a moron, but a moron his Professors promoted for having the same views as they did.

Posted by: bonhomme at June 24, 2013 11:37 AM (yKTI2)

170 159 Ian S,

It's around...but I knew Baldi back during LGF she called out the theme for "Obama 2016" back in '07ish dude.

It was surreal and not too hard to figure out...

Baldi feels a little more towards he is a "anti-colonial avenger" I was reverse tracing his contact tree's Red Diaper credentials

histroy says we were both largely correct....

It pissed off Jharles Chonson a bunch...

Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at June 24, 2013 11:37 AM (LRFds)

171 Dear Ms. Deen: Thank you for your support in 2008, helping me win election, and thank you for giving Michelle free face time on television. You are just as disposable as the rest of my supporters, so be glad you are not getting the George Zimmerman treatment. It could always be worse; do not forget we know where you live. Looking forward to your continued financial contributions to OFA. sincerely, B. Hussein Obama

Posted by: George Orwell what enjoys going to the feelies at June 24, 2013 11:37 AM (xw77v)

172 so now he's been lost/detained since 2008? whew

Posted by: willow at June 24, 2013 11:38 AM (nqBYe)

173 I am sure he committed Fraud on Federal Aid Applications. There is NO other reason to hide all that shit

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 24, 2013 11:38 AM (9Bj8R)

174 so now he's been lost/detained since 2008? whew Posted by: willow at June 24, 2013 03:38 PM (nqBYe) Yeah, crazy story. There was something not too long ago about him. A recent picture that showed he's still alive at least.

Posted by: Mainah at June 24, 2013 11:39 AM (659DL)

175 My understanding of the "n" word incident is it happened when a black bank robber stuck a gun in her face when she was a teller in Albany, GA (which is where she was born and raised). It affected her deeply, and drove her into a deep depression. Shut up shut up shut up. Don't let facts and history get in the way of persecution.

Posted by: George Orwell what enjoys going to the feelies at June 24, 2013 11:39 AM (xw77v)

176 I've met Paula and every member of her family. She, and they, are sweet, down-to-earth people.
My understanding of the "n" word incident is it happened when a black bank robber stuck a gun in her face when she was a teller in Albany, GA (which is where she was born and raised). It affected her deeply, and drove her into a deep depression.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 24, 2013 03:36 PM (lVPtV)

The facts don't matter.  Paula is rich through hard work and talent and pasty white.  She dissed Mooch and Hell will be paid.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes C'est Magnifique at June 24, 2013 11:39 AM (kXoT0)

177 Ian S.Link in nic. I hate the photo.

Posted by: baldilocks at June 24, 2013 11:39 AM (s+Cb9)

178 175 I am sure he committed Fraud on Federal Aid Applications. There is NO other reason to hide all that shit



Don't forget the bio in one of his stupid books, claiming he was born in Kenya.  The bio he never corrected.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 24, 2013 11:39 AM (lVPtV)

179 Judge's squishy failure to invoke the rule as to all parties is a very bad sign. Judge is more worried about keeping peace in her town than running the trial properly.

Posted by: MoeRon at June 24, 2013 11:39 AM (yNBMs)

180 Think it's possible he had dual citizenship at the time, but used only the Indonesian info to qualify for the aid since an Amcit wouldn't qualify?

 

 

Posted by: Mainah at June 24, 2013 03:35 PM (659DL)

 

Yep... and the Natural Born Citizen requirement was put into the Constitution for Commander in Chief, to stop that exact situation from Happening...

 

ie... they wanted no possibility of a Dual Citizen President... as citizenship brings with it things like... oh... being impressed into the Brit Navy... or being arrested for Treason by the other country.

Posted by: Romeo13 at June 24, 2013 11:40 AM (lZBBB)

181 Given Putin's faces and body language in recent meetings with TFG, I think he may hate the guy even more than we do.

Putin was not only head of the KGB in the old Soviet Union he himself is cruel Soviet Black Belt in Judo. As a sixth Dan in Judo myself, I am familiar with the type. Putin is an example of the Dark Side in Martial Arts; as close to an actual Darth Vader as can exist in the real world. He sees Obamao for what he is; a loud mouth Beta male who literally couldn't fight his way out of a wet paper bag - because he would be too intimidated by whoever put him there to even try.

Putin's contempt for Teh Won is easy to describe; Putin considers the SCOAMF to be sub human.




Posted by: [/i] [/b] [/u] [/s] An Observation at June 24, 2013 11:40 AM (ylhEn)

182 I don't agree with the leaking of information by people in Washington, quite the contrary. They have hurt out country and betrayed the public trust by doing so. But to conflate the clear act of treason with broad, reaching ramifications to our national security with some political hack(s) leaking self promoting classified data is a stretch.

Posted by: Marcus at June 24, 2013 03:30 PM (GGCsk)

 

 

----------------------------------------

 

 

I'm like many others on this.  I'm torn on the fact that Snowden has now let himself be used by our enemies against the US, but it's also nice that now we actually know that our government has an intricate web of spying on the American people.  It's no longer conjecture  or a conspiricy theory.   It's actually happening.

Posted by: Soona at June 24, 2013 11:40 AM (ls4V8)

183 Well this lawyer seems to be using the "down right stupid" approach. Down home country works. No one ever said the Jethro Bodine approach works.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 24, 2013 11:41 AM (uVkIH)

184 If Snowden is a traitor, it is not to America or to our Constitution, but to this government. But this government has betrayed the American people and no longer represents a large portion of it, and thus deserves no loyalty. That Snowden is traveling to asylum via countries unfriendly to the US government is logical. If he did not do that, he risks being extradited to the US for arrest and an eventual show trial that would further cement government control over the population through fear.

Posted by: En Raged at June 24, 2013 11:41 AM (NC9no)

185 "You know what this booming economy really needs? A carbon tax!"

And 30 million unskilled, non-English speaking laborers!  Bazinga!

Posted by: Sheldon Cooper at June 24, 2013 11:41 AM (71LDo)

186 156 Paula called Michelle out for being a pig .... Posted by: phoenixgirl@phxazgrl at June 24, 2013 03:34 PM (mOp0m) Her true "crime."

Posted by: baldilocks at June 24, 2013 11:41 AM (s+Cb9)

187 175 I am sure he committed Fraud on Federal Aid Applications. There is NO other reason to hide all that shit    

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 24, 2013 03:38 PM (9Bj8R)

 

 

Dual citizen status... as his use of Indonesian citizenship as an adult to get said Aid, would make him unfit to be President.

Posted by: Romeo13 at June 24, 2013 11:42 AM (lZBBB)

188 My understanding of the "n" word incident is it happened when a black bank robber stuck a gun in her face when she was a teller in Albany, GA (which is where she was born and raised). It affected her deeply, and drove her into a deep depression.

You're "not allowed" to express racist feelings even if you have a good reason.  If you're a minority, however, you're allowed to have bigoted feelings and express yourself thusly, as long as you use keywords list "micro-aggression" and "historic inequity."

Posted by: bonhomme at June 24, 2013 11:42 AM (yKTI2)

189 Judge is more worried about keeping peace in her town than running the trial properly. Instant appeal?

Posted by: rickb223 at June 24, 2013 11:42 AM (uVkIH)

190 184 Soona,

Yup the worst thing he is doing is making Alex Jones seem like a prophet...

it's insane...I know I am manic at times I know I am rabid...

I am purposefully cryptic but dear God I am not a lunatic conspiracy theorist and the crap I was judging as being "medium" case risk on the conspiracy sounding shit is constantly being validated.

I'll never look at the machine the same again

Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at June 24, 2013 11:42 AM (LRFds)

191 Under the Gang of 8’s backroom immigration deal with Senators Schumer, Corker and Hoeven, formerly illegal immigrants who are amnestied will be eligible to work, but will not be eligible for ObamaCare. Employers who would be required to pay as much as a $3,000 penalty for most employees who receive an ObamaCare healthcare “exchange” subsidy, would not have to pay the penalty if they hire amnestied immigrants. Consequently, employers would have a significant incentive to hire or retain amnestied immigrants, rather than current citizens, including those who have recently achieved citizenship via the current naturalization process. Well written bill ha?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 24, 2013 11:43 AM (9Bj8R)

192 Yowza. Who turned off the sun???

Posted by: RWC at June 24, 2013 11:43 AM (8FeS+)

193 baldilocks, you're beautiful!  Great article.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 24, 2013 11:44 AM (lVPtV)

194 The government long ago became an engine unto itself-- the populace is merely a means to its ends, or an obstacle to overcome. It stopped being subordinate to them a long, long time ago.

Posted by: zsasz at June 24, 2013 11:44 AM (MMC8r)

195 Fox just announced Smithfield has dropped Paula. 

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 24, 2013 11:44 AM (lVPtV)

196 179 Ian S.Link in nic. I hate the photo.

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If Obama is the evil Baldilocks from the mirror universe, what happened to his mustache and goatee?

Enquiring minds want to know.

Posted by: Anachronda at June 24, 2013 11:45 AM (2IZFp)

197

170 -

 

Wouldn't that suggest the parents of the dear martyred child are NOT going to be witnesses in the case? 

Posted by: BurtTC at June 24, 2013 11:45 AM (TOk1P)

198 Yeah, baldilocks, great article and you have a bazillion times the resume that Obama has.  I wish you were President.  I sincerely do.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes C'est Magnifique at June 24, 2013 11:45 AM (kXoT0)

199 "micro-aggression" and "historic inequity." "Abracadabra" and "Sator arepo tenet opera rotas" are so old-fashioned.

Posted by: George Orwell what enjoys going to the feelies at June 24, 2013 11:45 AM (xw77v)

200 Dual citizen status... as his use of Indonesian citizenship as an adult to get said Aid, would make him unfit to be President. This is what pissed me off so much about all the time and effort spent trying to prove that SCOAMF was not born in Hawaii. Nobody has ever asked SCOAMF or any of his Marxist friends if SCOAMF received education funds based on a dual citizen or foreign national status....Didn't Billy Ayers' mother say something about the nice foreign black kid that her terrorist son had befriended?

Posted by: MoeRon at June 24, 2013 11:46 AM (yNBMs)

201

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 24, 2013 03:43 PM (9Bj8R)

 

soo... the now Legals, not having insurance, would continue to use the Emergency room for service... even stopping that practice was a prime 'reason' to adopt Obamacare?

 

/facepalm

Posted by: Romeo13 at June 24, 2013 11:46 AM (lZBBB)

202 Dammit all, I may have to buy a Paula Dean cookbook...just because I hate to someone bullied off the stage.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes C'est Magnifique at June 24, 2013 11:46 AM (kXoT0)

203 Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 24, 2013 03:43 PM (9Bj8R)


My understanding is that EVERY punishment portion of that POS bill has a clause that allows the "punishment" to be waivered.  In short, the entire bill is a lie except for the amnesty which we will get now and the punishment that will never happen.

Just like last time.


And to bad Morons, I am fixing CHS BBQ hash today and the house is already permeated with nice smell of BBQ simmering.

Posted by: Vic at June 24, 2013 11:47 AM (lZvxr)

204 Apparently Paula Deen did not understand that when our political and moral superiors demanded we have an honest dialogue about race, they did not really mean "honest." They meant "shut up and bend over."

Posted by: George Orwell what enjoys going to the feelies at June 24, 2013 11:47 AM (xw77v)

205 .Didn't Billy Ayers' mother say something about the nice foreign black kid that her terrorist son had befriended?



That's right.  He presented himself to others as "foreign."

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 24, 2013 11:47 AM (lVPtV)

206 Willow, some recent pics have surfaced with him in "Gitmo" orange.  I doubt he his being held by cigarette smugglers.

Posted by: Jean at June 24, 2013 11:47 AM (CMlD4)

207 Sven, I'm inclined to believe both now, especially after researching the leftist financial origins of the Mboya Airlift (how my bio father got here and how BHO claimed his alleged father got here. The latter turned out to be--Tada!--another lie. BHO Sr's grades weren't good enough.)

Posted by: baldilocks at June 24, 2013 11:47 AM (s+Cb9)

208 I think it's fucking hilarious that the one thing the entire MFM (and a whole lotta bloggers) can agree on is: "Edward Snowden exposed things that needed to be exposed and did us all a big favor by exposing them. Now put him up against the wall and shoot him dead, he's a traitor."

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at June 24, 2013 11:47 AM (7ObY1)

209

They've just replayed Zimmerman's non-emergency call to the police.

 

I can't recall how many women I've fucked that had deeper voices than he has. 

Posted by: jwest at June 24, 2013 11:48 AM (u2a4R)

210 Ten-to-One, some uber Lefty celebrity chef comes out with a new line of buttery desserts and the establishment loves her. Big money in pound cake when you sell it by the truckload.

Posted by: Lincolntf at June 24, 2013 11:48 AM (ZshNr)

211

Posted by: MoeRon at June 24, 2013 03:46 PM (yNBMs)

 

It WAS talked about... but was dismissed as 'Birther' stuff by the RIGHT, as well as the Left..

Posted by: Romeo13 at June 24, 2013 11:48 AM (lZBBB)

212 204 Dammit all, I may have to buy a Paula Dean cookbook...just because I hate to someone bullied off the stage. Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes C'est Magnifique at June 24, 2013 03:46 PM (kXoT0 She has a great recipe for, i forget what it was, but I know it had butter in it. Delicious.

Posted by: RWC at June 24, 2013 11:48 AM (8FeS+)

213 I wonder what the base pay rate is for taking on the job of being Michelle's beauty advisor.  Talk about a thankless job.

Posted by: Fritz at June 24, 2013 11:48 AM (UzPAd)

214 Oh crikey.  Paula is going on the Today Show to further beg for forgiveness with that douchebag Matt Lauer.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 24, 2013 11:48 AM (lVPtV)

215 Snowden has successfully taken king obongo's IRSS scandal off the front page.  Good job guys.

We've got a gov't with absolute power with a boot on our throats but Snowden is really important serious guys!

Fight Fascism
Fight the IRSS
Fight Gov't Bureaucrats
Fight queen bitch Lerner and all like her

Posted by: Bob Bilner at June 24, 2013 11:49 AM (iVRW7)

216 Putin had more respect for Sarah Palin then Obama

Posted by: Jean at June 24, 2013 11:49 AM (CMlD4)

217 I'm not stupid enough to want to be president. :/

Posted by: baldilocks at June 24, 2013 11:49 AM (s+Cb9)

218 Putin had more respect for Sarah Palin then Obama Posted by: Jean at June 24, 2013 03:49 PM (CMlD4) Well she has a nicer ass and nicer legs

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 24, 2013 11:50 AM (9Bj8R)

219 They meant "shut up and bend over." George, that comment in the context of Paula Deen makes me shudder, no matter how nice or what a hard working person she is..... I'm going to whip up some peanut butter pie!

Posted by: MoeRon at June 24, 2013 11:50 AM (yNBMs)

220 Didn't Billy Ayers' mother say something about the nice foreign black kid that her terrorist son had befriended? Bet she didn't say it quite like that.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 24, 2013 11:50 AM (uVkIH)

221 Some idiot is on with that idiot Shemp talking about how Paula needs to donate money to poor black kids or something.

Good grief, don't these idiots know how much money she has given to food shelters, the homeless, and abused women? 

She grew up dirt poor.  Totally self-made.  Now her fellow libs are totally turning on her.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 24, 2013 11:50 AM (lVPtV)

222 If the bank robbery/gun story is accurate, she should lead with that. Any reasonable person would get it.

Posted by: Lincolntf at June 24, 2013 11:50 AM (ZshNr)

223 187 Sheldon Cooper,

I snuck into Ace's time machine and got tomorrow's speech off TotUS' feed...


Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at June 24, 2013 11:50 AM (LRFds)

224 Baldilocks, the photo is lovely. And courage of one's convictions is always attractive.

Posted by: LadyS at June 24, 2013 11:50 AM (3R9tL)

225

We currently have the worst of all possible worlds. We should at least have a middling-bad of all worlds. That doesn't seem like too high a goal to aim for.

 

Abortions for some, miniature American flags for others!

Posted by: Bob 'Kang' Dole at June 24, 2013 11:51 AM (5kPex)

226 >I'm like many others on this. I'm torn on the fact that Snowden has now let himself be used by our enemies against the US, but it's also nice that now we actually know that our government has an intricate web of spying on the American people. It's no longer conjecture or a conspiricy theory. It's actually happening.<

Anyone who believes they are not having their internet activity and phone calls tracked needs a lobotomy. This is simple common place logic that's been in use by marketers for years...yet the government will- pass on it?

There is no such thing as a "secure" internet or phone call. It's all obtainable and hackable.

What Snowden did was pure and simple treason and his actions now add further weight to that designation. He add other avenues to expose it, yet he chose to cavort with our enemies and disclose highly sensitive, very damaging information. There is no excuse, premise or nobility in that. None.

Posted by: Marcus at June 24, 2013 11:51 AM (GGCsk)

227 218 Putin had more respect for Sarah Palin then Obama  
 

Posted by: Jean at June 24, 2013 03:49 PM (CMlD4)

 

 

Well.. of course... I can see her from Russia after all... and she is SMOKIN!

Posted by: Vlad 'the Playah' Putin at June 24, 2013 11:51 AM (lZBBB)

228 My aggravation about the Paula Dean case is that they are "punishing" her for something that happened over 20 years ago.


How could any of it be pertinent today, even in that grudge suit that is going on in Savannah.  She aught to sue the shit out of some of these people herself.

Posted by: Vic at June 24, 2013 11:51 AM (lZvxr)

229 BREAKING: New IRS Chief Says Targeting Of Conservative Groups Was Broader And Longer Than Previously Disclosed – Update: Agency Improperly Screened Groups Until Last Month… And yet heads still haven’t rolled over this. WASHINGTON (AP) — The head of the Internal Revenue Service says inappropriate screening of groups seeking tax-exempt status was broader and lasted longer than was previously disclosed. Danny Werfel told reporters Monday that after becoming acting IRS chief last month, he discovered inappropriate and wide-ranging criteria in lists screeners use to single out groups for careful examinations. He did not specify what terms were on the lists. Werfel’s comments suggest the IRS may have been targeting groups other than tea party and other conservative organizations for tough examinations to see if they qualify. The agency has been under fire since last month for targeting those groups. Apparently these coco suckers have no fear of punishment. Wonder why? ( that's rhetorical)

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 24, 2013 11:51 AM (9Bj8R)

230

Paula's racial slurs or whatever is all about the money.  It all arises out of a lawsuit for racial discrimination  and hostile work enviroment.

 

Never liked the lady and don't blame corporations backing away from her on this as she is now a liability.  That said,  I also am very high on the ability of  freedom of association and protection from the government punishing  people  for those positions.   You also have to be prepared  to take the consequences of public backlash.   Looks like the government is  not involved  in this one for a change.  

Posted by: polynikes at June 24, 2013 11:52 AM (m2CN7)

231 209 Baldilocks,

I think Barry Sr was brought in by the Harvard network of commies.

Fellow travelers are a scary thing.

Heh

Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at June 24, 2013 11:52 AM (LRFds)

232 Anyone who believes they are not having their internet activity and phone calls tracked needs a lobotomy. This is simple common place logic that's been in use by marketers for years...yet the government will- pass on it? There is no such thing as a "secure" internet or phone call. It's all obtainable and hackable. What Snowden did was pure and simple treason and his actions now add further weight to that designation. He add other avenues to expose it, yet he chose to cavort with our enemies and disclose highly sensitive, very damaging information. There is no excuse, premise or nobility in that. None. Posted by: Marcus at June 24, 2013 03:51 PM (GGCsk) Ditto

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 24, 2013 11:52 AM (9Bj8R)

233 George Orwell's Buttery Goodness Upside-Down Surprise Ingredients: 6 TBSP softened butter 4 sticks cold butter Drawn butter in a Bain-Marie 1 cup iced butter pats Butter to taste Mix softened butter in a buttered casserole dish. Add remaining butter. Chill for 10 minutes, serve with buttered rolls (rolls optional).

Posted by: George Orwell what enjoys going to the feelies at June 24, 2013 11:53 AM (xw77v)

234 She has a great recipe for, i forget what it was, but I know it had butter in it. Boiled water.

Posted by: rickb223 at June 24, 2013 11:53 AM (uVkIH)

235 What Snowden did was pure and simple treason and his actions now add further weight to that designation. He add other avenues to expose it, yet he chose to cavort with our enemies and disclose highly sensitive, very damaging information. There is no excuse, premise or nobility in that. None.

Posted by: Marcus at June 24, 2013 03:51 PM (GGCsk)

 

Cheney, Bolton and I totally agree with you. 

Posted by: polynikes at June 24, 2013 11:53 AM (m2CN7)

236 Oh crikey. Paula is going on the Today Show to further beg for forgiveness with that douchebag Matt Lauer.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 24, 2013 03:48 PM (lVPtV)

Mattie will crucify her in attempt to help his dragging career.

My advice to Paula, is to sit down and shut up.  You dissed Mooch and you will now be driven off the national stage.  I hope you have some money put by. 

Note to self: go to Dillard's and see if they will pay me to take home some of her furniture cause it is gonna get that bad.  (I won't really do it)

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Stiletto Corsettes C'est Magnifique at June 24, 2013 11:53 AM (kXoT0)

237 216 Oh crikey. Paula is going on the Today Show to further beg for forgiveness with that douchebag Matt Lauer. Maybe they will force her to wear a scarlet "N." Or perhaps brown instead.

Posted by: George Orwell what enjoys going to the feelies at June 24, 2013 11:54 AM (xw77v)

238 Also, all the attacks which I thought were unfair back then have turned out to be on point. He is a fraud from top to bottom and is setting us up for both the Organized Left and for Islam.

Posted by: baldilocks at June 24, 2013 11:54 AM (s+Cb9)

239 There is no doubt in my mind that WH "staffers" went to the networks and to other Paula Deen people and threatened them if they did not shed her.  Because (a) that is the way the Chicago goons work in this WH and because (b) I can not see the networks and others taking such huge offense at something from 20 years ago.

Posted by: Vic at June 24, 2013 11:56 AM (lZvxr)

240 All the time spent on the birth certificate was wasted. I went to college for a lot of years - made Belushi look like Einstein... 'Bammy didn't have the bucks to go where he went and do what he did unless he was getting Uncle Sam money, and we knew he had been adopted by an Indonesian, Sotero. I wish Trump and others would have bellowed about SCOAMF'S questionable student financing and less about the Hawaiian birth certificate, that's all I'm saying.

Posted by: MoeRon at June 24, 2013 11:56 AM (yNBMs)

241 Report: Snowden Deliberately Took Job As Contractor To Get NSA Evidence Question is who was he acting as a mole for? Via South China Post: Edward Snowden secured a job with a US government contractor for one reason alone – to obtain evidence of Washington’s cyberspying networks, theSouth China Morning Post can reveal. For the first time, Snowden has admitted he sought a position at Booz Allen Hamilton so he could collect proof about the US National Security Agency’s secret surveillance programmes ahead of planned leaks to the media. “My position with Booz Allen Hamilton granted me access to lists of machines all over the world the NSA hacked,” he told the Post on June 12. “That is why I accepted that position about three months ago.” Weasel Zippers

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 24, 2013 11:56 AM (9Bj8R)

242 226 Baldilocks, the photo is lovely. And courage of one's convictions is always attractive. Posted by: LadyS at June 24, 2013 03:50 PM (3R9tL) I was sweating like Obama in a real church!

Posted by: baldilocks at June 24, 2013 11:56 AM (s+Cb9)

243 Oh why would they do that, because she made snide remarks about what a pig the Mooch was.

Posted by: Vic at June 24, 2013 11:56 AM (lZvxr)

244 I love the fact that serial womanizer Matt Lauer is going to grill Paula on Wednesday. 

Of course, the left doesn't look on cheating as really wrong. 

I wonder if Oprah has called her yet?  She's been to Savannah and been a house guest of Paula's.  They've become close friends.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 24, 2013 11:56 AM (lVPtV)

245 203 Romeo13,

Oh it gets better....

my deciding on "plan b" is not a temper tantrum...Marco Rubio just blew the GOP working class' brains out...

in exempting illegals from Ogabecare he is making it 3,000 a year cheaper to hire an amnestied "newer better American"....

how do I go to a poor working kid and sell the GOP to him now when he will have a harder time getting hired?

No Plan B is the right move if this shit passes...and the more make a wish for Jackasses shit the Gangbang of 8s 4 ostensibly "GOP" Senators smile and let get put in the harder it gets....

no it will be a JOY to remove these people whether we "lose" and get real democrats in there or not

Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at June 24, 2013 11:57 AM (LRFds)

246 #235

There is a world of difference between people having access too and data mining public information and information given to companies who are known to sell information to marketers (Progressive Auto Insurance for instance) and the government having essentially one-click access to information you did not intend to share with anyone.

The conflict here is simple: The growth and success of the internet is primarily built on public trust: everything made public is shared freely, but there is an agreement to keep the private, private. Thus why people are accused of 'creating their own image' on things like facebook; they select what they want to make public; you'll hear about the muffins they baked but not the line of cocaine they did after baking them.

The NSA has made a major blunder that will cost the United States a lot more than they could imagine. Their program was just begging for defectors; who wouldn't be labeled a hero for exposing what they were doing? And then, with it goes any legit use of surveillance on the internet against foreign enemies.

It's the security bubble, just like the housing bubble. Stupid, stupid and stupid.

Posted by: RiverC at June 24, 2013 11:57 AM (El+h4)

247 Cheney, Bolton and I totally agree with you.

 

 

Posted by: polynikes at June 24, 2013 03:53 PM (m2CN7)

 

In one paragraph he says that its no big deal, that EVERYONE is doing it.. and you'd have to be dumb to think that we were not doing it...

 

Then he says its a horrible breach of Security to tell about it...

 

When it seems everyone in the world (including the Boston Bombers MOM) knew we were doing this... everyone except the American People, who THOUGHT we were being protected by this little document known as the Constitution.

Posted by: Romeo13 at June 24, 2013 11:57 AM (lZBBB)

248 Oh crikey. Paula is going on the Today Show to further beg for forgiveness with that douchebag Matt Lauer. Posted by: Jane D'oh You know; if she went on and said something like... "Bless your little pea picking heart, Matt. Why yes, I DID use that word a long, long time ago son. But I just can't understand why y'all are fusssin' so much about it when every high profile nee-gro celebrity and wann-be gangsta uses it to greet one another?" I would go buy a recipe book that day. No seriously, I would. Heh!

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at June 24, 2013 11:57 AM (57bzg)

249 so, baldilocks, how YOU doin'???


sacred honor.....

Posted by: Will Folks, esq ( hiding out in Costa Rica ) at June 24, 2013 11:58 AM (omBWL)

250 Congratulations on the write up baldilocks!Cool piece.

Posted by: steevy at June 24, 2013 11:58 AM (9XBK2)

251 Question is who was he acting as a mole for?


He seems to be "buds" with Wiki-Leaks so that really tells you what a shitty job they do vetting people they hire.

Posted by: Vic at June 24, 2013 11:58 AM (lZvxr)

252 241 Baldilocks,

You and I had heated but never toxic disagreements.

I sincerely wish you had been more correct than I wound up being.

You felt IIRC mainly he would disrupt US policy by idealism for 4 or 8 years?

Posted by: Esteban10077@sven10077 at June 24, 2013 11:58 AM (LRFds)

253 I was sweating like Obama in a real church!

Posted by: baldilocks at June 24, 2013 03:56 PM (s+Cb9)




LOL!  I think your picture is beautiful. 

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 24, 2013 11:58 AM (lVPtV)

254 I wonder if Oprah has called her yet? She's been to Savannah and been a house guest of Paula's. They've become close friends. Scene: Opray's mansion in Montecito. Oprah: Michelle Obama looked at me and saw me as a threat. Deen: She looked at me and saw lunch.

Posted by: George Orwell what enjoys going to the feelies at June 24, 2013 12:00 PM (xw77v)

255

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 24, 2013 03:51 PM (9Bj8R)

 

 

------------------------------------------------

 

 

Just don't kid yourself for a moment thinking that the IRS, DOJ, or any other of the numerous regime  agencies have stopped  undermining conservative groups and individuals.  It's still full steam ahead. 

 

After all, 2014 is just around the corner.

Posted by: Soona at June 24, 2013 12:02 PM (ls4V8)

256 Jean alright, I see dailymailUK has that article along with Pics of Him dressed as a Guantanamo bay captive.

Posted by: willow at June 24, 2013 12:03 PM (nqBYe)

257  "193 Under the Gang of 8Â’s backroom immigration deal with Senators Schumer, Corker and Hoeven, formerly illegal immigrants who are amnestied will be eligible to work, but will not be eligible for ObamaCare. Employers who would be required to pay as much as a $3,000 penalty for most employees who receive an ObamaCare healthcare “exchange” subsidy, would not have to pay the penalty if they hire amnestied immigrants.
Consequently, employers would have a significant incentive to hire or retain amnestied immigrants, rather than current citizens, including those who have recently achieved citizenship via the current naturalization process.


Well written bill ha?"  This must have been in earlier versions of the bill, because Rush talked about this very point 7-10 days ago.   Sickening then, sickening now.   

Posted by: Marybeth at June 24, 2013 12:04 PM (Ks0w4)

258 Just don't kid yourself for a moment thinking that the IRS, DOJ, or any other of the numerous regime agencies have stopped undermining conservative groups and individuals. It's still full steam ahead. After all, 2014 is just around the corner. Posted by: Soona at June 24, 2013 04:02 PM (ls4V Oh I am sure they are

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 24, 2013 12:07 PM (9Bj8R)

259 The IRS used government time, private citizen's information, and their permit power to further my campaign.  I do not tolerate that kind of dastardly behavior -- I encourage and reward it!  Now, as long as you morons don't find out that the meta-data collected in the NSA dragnet on US citizen's communications was ALSO used to further my campaign, I'm golden.  But that Snowden might be the fly in the ointment, so I've got a hit out on him.  He shouldn't last long -- except all those countries I've pissed off are actually protecting him.  Curse you, Red Putin!

Posted by: Bronco Bama at June 24, 2013 12:10 PM (hHgxI)

260 Employers who would be required to pay as much as a $3,000 penalty for most employees who receive an ObamaCare healthcare “exchange” subsidy, would not have to pay the penalty if they hire amnestied immigrants. Consequently, employers would have a significant incentive to hire or retain amnestied immigrants, rather than current citizens, including those who have recently achieved citizenship via the current naturalization process. Oh, to have anyone who could command a stage and give a cogent, forceful explanation of this abomination....but even if there were such a person, the Media would not allow the message to be heard..... How do you say it in the current vernacular? Oh, that's right....We are fucked.

Posted by: MoeRon at June 24, 2013 12:14 PM (yNBMs)

261 Danny Werfel told reporters Monday that after becoming acting IRS chief last month, he discovered inappropriate and wide-ranging criteria in lists screeners use to single out groups for careful examinations. He did not specify what terms were on the lists.

WerfelÂ’s comments suggest the IRS may have been targeting groups other than tea party and other conservative organizations for tough examinations to see if they qualify. The agency has been under fire since last month for targeting those groups.

Posted by: Robert Caulfield at June 24, 2013 12:14 PM (e8kgV)

262 64 Funny how no one, to this day, is able to leak Barry Soetero's school transcripts. "Dean of Columbia University Dies in Tragic Fall from 50 Story Building"

Posted by: En Raged at June 24, 2013 12:24 PM (NC9no)

263 What a crock! The Constitution provides that we have a commander in chief to run the military, and not the New York Times. It is Williamson who wants a double standard - "Oh it is most unfair that the President shall inform the American people of his government! But it totally necessary that the media create an open society by secret conspiracy with criminal informants!" If Barack Obama wants to tell the world he has full authority to do so - we have only questioned his prudence. The media has neither authority or any damn sense of the consequences - they have admitted as much repeatedly. "Huh, maybe we shouldn't have told AQ that we're trackign their bank accounts."

Posted by: Chris Balsz at June 24, 2013 12:41 PM (xXLLi)

264 He add other avenues to expose it, yet he chose to cavort with our enemies and disclose highly sensitive, very damaging information. There is no excuse, premise or nobility in that. None.

The only legal way to Whistle Blow is by reporting crimes to law enforcement personnel; an IG or Federal Agents. Judges, Congressmen, Senators, The President etc. do not qualify.

This legal way of blowing the whistle tacitly assumes that the corruption being reported is isolated in level, and that the command authority in charge of the IG or Federal Agents is not corrupt and did not sanction the illegal action. That should be obvious to anyone who thinks about it.

However that was not the case with the NSA situation; the entire chain of command was not only aware of the criminal activity; they actively participated in the crime.

There were no other paths available. Period. End. Of. Discussion.


Posted by: [/i] [/b] [/u] [/s] An Observation at June 24, 2013 12:41 PM (ylhEn)

265 The President can classify and declassify at will according to "...BARACK OBAMA, by the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America .. " See section 1.3.a.1 and 3.1.b.3. http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/executive-order-classified-national-security-information

Posted by: rammer at June 24, 2013 04:00 PM (1dCWN)

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