March 06, 2013
— DrewM I had a fantastic post loaded with content ready to go but...the sequester.
One thing that hasn't been cut because of sequester....talking in DC. Rand Paul is going old school and filibustering the nomination of John Brennan by talking. He's holding up the nomination because he didn't like Eric Holder's answer to his question about whether Obama claims the right to be able to use a drone on an American citizen.
I think Paul asked the wrong question and I'm not sure he's right about Holder's answer.
“It is possible, I suppose, to imagine an extraordinary circumstance in which it would be necessary and appropriate under the Constitution and applicable laws of the United States for the president to authorize the military to use lethal force within the territory of the United States," Holder said.Holder said "catastrophic" attacks such as the Sept. 11 attacks or the attack on Pearl Harbor are examples of circumstances where the president could conceivably feel such an action is necessary.
I read Holder's answer (full letter here- PDF) as basically adopting the same position as George W. Bush and Dick Cheney position that they had the authority to down a jet that might have been part of the 9/11 attacks. That's just awkward for everyone.
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Posted by: beach at March 06, 2013 08:27 AM (XYSwB)
Posted by: Meremortal at March 06, 2013 08:27 AM (1Y+hH)
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/i][/u][/b] at March 06, 2013 08:27 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Dax at March 06, 2013 08:27 AM (gUYGX)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at March 06, 2013 08:27 AM (+z4pE)
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at March 06, 2013 08:28 AM (p/cQy)
Posted by: Bill Clinton at March 06, 2013 08:28 AM (DrC22)
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/i][/u][/b] at March 06, 2013 08:28 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 06, 2013 08:29 AM (Cm7V/)
Posted by: Barack Obama at March 06, 2013 08:29 AM (B/VB5)
Posted by: BurtTC at March 06, 2013 08:29 AM (TOk1P)
Posted by: Al Jaffee at March 06, 2013 08:29 AM (vBSha)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 06, 2013 08:29 AM (UOM48)
“On January 16, 2013, President Obama released 23 “Gun Violence Reduction Executive Actions” of which Action #2, #14, #16, #17, #21, and #22 utilize the national healthcare system to collect gun ownership information. As Obamacare grows over the next decade, unwary citizens will voluntarily divulge firearm ownership information including serial numbers in exchange for routine healthcare. Through the power of incrementalism, placing this information in a federal database seems harmless at first,”
http://tinyurl.com/cd5qr8c
Posted by: Lizzy at March 06, 2013 08:30 AM (QEUX+)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 06, 2013 08:31 AM (lgjuc)
http://freebeacon.com/oreilly-calls-colmes-rhetoric-on-budget-cuts-bull-blank/
Posted by: beach at March 06, 2013 12:27 PM (XYSwB
I watched that last night. I can't stand O'Reilly, but his beat-down of Skeletor was a thing of beauty.
I'll bet Colmes' balls are still hiding.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 06, 2013 08:31 AM (UOM48)
Posted by: A cynical but rarely angry Adriane at March 06, 2013 08:31 AM (TvO05)
Posted by: Roy at March 06, 2013 08:31 AM (VndSC)
The narrative of severe and draconian cuts must be maintained at all costs, except for Presidential popularity.
Posted by: huerfano at March 06, 2013 08:31 AM (bAGA/)
If I've got this right, the only operation not affected by the sequester is drone strikes on Americans on American soil.
Posted by: Meremortal at March 06, 2013 08:32 AM (1Y+hH)
Posted by: AuthorLMendez at March 06, 2013 08:32 AM (yAor6)
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/i][/u][/b] at March 06, 2013 08:32 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Stu-22 at March 06, 2013 08:32 AM (k4bdL)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 06, 2013 08:32 AM (UOM48)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 06, 2013 08:32 AM (lgjuc)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 06, 2013 08:32 AM (Cm7V/)
Check his wife's purse. I think she took over carrying them from his Mom.
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Wily Wrepublican Wench at March 06, 2013 08:32 AM (kXoT0)
That and fabulous vacations for the First Parasites.
Posted by: Waterhouse at March 06, 2013 08:33 AM (vBSha)
Posted by: Chancilor Palpatine at March 06, 2013 08:33 AM (bnAKg)
17 -
Carolla has a pretty good reply to the "racist" charge, and has used it more than once already in defense of things he's said against the LA mayor.
He'll be fine.
Posted by: BurtTC at March 06, 2013 08:33 AM (TOk1P)
WINSTON-SALEM, North Carolina (Reuters) - The number of extreme anti-government groups in the United States grew to an all-time high in 2012, and a backlash against federal gun control measures could fuel more growth in the movement, the Southern Poverty Law Center said on Tuesday.
Active militia and so-called Patriot groups totaled 1,360 last year, a massive jump from the 149 recorded in 2008 in an annual count of extremist groups by the Alabama-based civil rights organization.
Looks like we're all enemies of the state now
Among hate groups identified by the center is the Family Research Council, a conservative Christian lobbying group, due to its anti-gay stances.
Anyone not towing the leftist line is a hate group
Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 06, 2013 08:33 AM (1Jaio)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 06, 2013 12:32 PM (Cm7V/)
I didn't! That makes it even better!
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/i][/u][/b] at March 06, 2013 08:34 AM (4df7R)
She looked like she wanted to say to O'Reilly, "FINISH HIM!"
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 06, 2013 08:34 AM (UOM48)
Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at March 06, 2013 08:34 AM (NzBQO)
"Hugo Chavez closed the gap between rich and poor."
Brought to you by the same people who brought you:
"Obamacare will limit premiums on people over 40 to only three times that of 20 somethings."
And:
"Customs wait times have tripled at previously smooth-as-silk-running JFK."
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at March 06, 2013 08:34 AM (ltdV/)
Posted by: Fenrir at March 06, 2013 08:35 AM (TVBv1)
I'm all "meh" on Bill O'Really's faux outrage at Skeletor last night. BOR could've destroyed AC on any number of issues, but refused.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at March 06, 2013 08:35 AM (+z4pE)
Lurking Canuck: I'd love to take the garbage out but unfortunately that job was lost to the sequester.
Mrs. Lurking Canuck: *glances over* *rolls eyes*
Lurking Canuck: Unfortunately we're all just going to have to make do with a little less.
Mrs. Lurking Canuck: That's not the only type of job that can be sequestered.
Lurking Canuck: I am now open to bipartisan negotiation.
Posted by: Lurking Canuck at March 06, 2013 08:35 AM (BrQrN)
Posted by: AuthorLMendez at March 06, 2013 08:35 AM (yAor6)
Posted by: Vic at March 06, 2013 08:35 AM (53z96)
Posted by: Jerry Jack in Jacksonville at March 06, 2013 08:36 AM (Dll6b)
Posted by: toby928© furthers the meme at March 06, 2013 08:36 AM (QupBk)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 06, 2013 08:36 AM (UOM48)
Not to be all revolutionary, but don't we have some sort of technological marvel that can do that sort of thing now?
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at March 06, 2013 08:36 AM (ltdV/)
http://freebeacon.com/oreilly-calls-colmes-rhetoric-on-budget-cuts-bull-blank/
Posted by: beach at March 06, 2013 12:27 PM (XYSwB)
I thought O'Reilly was going to reach across the table and smack him and Colmes would have deserved it. Someone should tell Alan the hair dye and plastic surgery isn't working
Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 06, 2013 08:36 AM (1Jaio)
the Southern Poverty Law Center said on Tuesday.
Cute that the SPLC is still considered a non-partisan font of knowledge, and not a bunch of extremist leftwing assholes.
Among hate groups identified by the center is the Family Research
Council, a conservative Christian lobbying group, due to its anti-gay
stances.
Ah, you mean the FRC that was targeted by that fat loser who wanted to shoot its employees and smear them with Hate Chicken... because he read about them on the SPLC website? That FRC?
Good to know the SPLC has taken their role in a near massacre to heart.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/i][/u][/b] at March 06, 2013 08:37 AM (4df7R)
*****
I'm NW of DC a bit. Which airport? Snow turning to slushy nastiness now, but could ice up after dark.
Posted by: Stu-22 at March 06, 2013 08:37 AM (k4bdL)
Posted by: Clemenza at March 06, 2013 08:37 AM (Snhap)
http://minx.cc/?blog=86&post=338115#c20290561
Holder's answer was hogwash and ludicrous.
Posted by: Vic at March 06, 2013 08:37 AM (53z96)
38 -
St. Louis city had its primary yesterday. For mayor, the white guy beat the black guy, which he usually does. They don't even pretend to be concerned about the general, when some no-name Republican stands there and gets beat like a red-headed stepmule.
Posted by: BurtTC at March 06, 2013 08:37 AM (TOk1P)
they now go after religious-based institutions, wonderful...
Posted by: AuthorLMendez at March 06, 2013 08:38 AM (yAor6)
Posted by: Meremortal at March 06, 2013 12:27 PM (1Y+hH)
Um, those were load-bearing self-guided tours.
Posted by: Truman North at March 06, 2013 08:38 AM (I2LwF)
http://tinyurl.com/cwd3w47
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 06, 2013 08:38 AM (Cm7V/)
Posted by: Vic at March 06, 2013 08:38 AM (53z96)
Posted by: Meremortal at March 06, 2013 08:38 AM (1Y+hH)
Posted by: Bosk at March 06, 2013 08:38 AM (n2K+4)
48 Also, apparently the White House employs THREE calligraphers (no, really) at a cost of more that $277K.
The one that writes up those Valentines from the WH to Hugo Chavez is now out of a job.
Posted by: Roy at March 06, 2013 08:39 AM (VndSC)
She looked like she wanted to say to O'Reilly, "FINISH HIM!"
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 06, 2013 12:34 PM (UOM4
Think she got a call from her sister about that exchange?
Posted by: Tami[/i] at March 06, 2013 08:39 AM (X6akg)
Boy Scouts (favorite target): Train & Jepsen cancel Jamboree performances
Orson Scott Card: http://tinyurl.com/cu7yve8
Posted by: Lizzy at March 06, 2013 08:39 AM (QEUX+)
Govt agencies have gotten quite adept at manufacturing situations these days...
*cough* F/F *cough*
Posted by: @PurpAv at March 06, 2013 08:39 AM (/gHaE)
Posted by: AuthorLMendez at March 06, 2013 12:38 PM (yAor6)
Oh, the FRC's been on there for a while.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/i][/u][/b] at March 06, 2013 08:39 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: BCochran1981 at March 06, 2013 08:40 AM (da5Wo)
Posted by: rickb223 at March 06, 2013 08:40 AM (GFM2b)
I'm sure they have other duties...
...like maintaining the auto-pen in good working order.
Posted by: @PurpAv at March 06, 2013 08:41 AM (/gHaE)
Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 06, 2013 12:33 PM (1Jaio)
Not new. The SPLC has always been a leftest racist hate group.
Posted by: Vic at March 06, 2013 08:41 AM (53z96)
Posted by: rickb223 at March 06, 2013 12:40 PM (GFM2b) /i]
I'd prefer, "SPLC headquarters nuked from orbit."
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/i][/u][/b] at March 06, 2013 08:41 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: ManeiNeko at March 06, 2013 08:41 AM (TiE76)
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at March 06, 2013 12:36 PM (ltdV/)
Tradition is a bitch. Frankly if Government's this tight we could likely scale back on fancy presidential dinners too...but...unlikely.
Furlough the head chef! Make the President order a pizza.
Seriously though. I remember when I got married and people screamed "you have to get a calligrapher to address you're envelopes" or something (the wife and I have very bad handwriting so doing it ourselves was just out of the question.)
I looked at the envelopes (which had return addresses pre-printed on them as part of the invitation deal) I did some (actually quite a bit) or research on the internet and found the same font they used. Bought the font for $3 (couldn't find it free sadly) bought some clear labels for $15 and went to town. Saved $150 or something. People thought it was professionally done.
Posted by: tsrblke (work) at March 06, 2013 08:42 AM (IsyJh)
If I hadn't come here and seen this thread I would have never guessed that it was because of the sequester.
Posted by: SpongeBob Saget at March 06, 2013 08:42 AM (epxV4)
Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at March 06, 2013 08:42 AM (NzBQO)
Homeland Security spokeswoman Nicole Stickel said on Tuesday the department has been working with law enforcement "to better mitigate and respond to violent extremism, regardless of the ideological beliefs that may motivate it, including violence perpetuated by violent sovereign citizens and anti-government militia groups."
Domestic drones, what could be the problem with that?
A sluggish U.S. economy combined with the election and re-election of Democrat Barack Obama as the country's first black president have stoked anger and fear in some Americans and helped drive the growth of extremist groups, said Mark Potok, senior fellow at the center and editor of the report.
Sure it did Markie, sure it did.
"We are seeing this huge reaction to the potential of gun control," Potok said. "And that reaction is so angry that it is hard not to be afraid of what is coming down the road."
The number of hate groups may also increase in response to immigration reform measures that reinforce their members' fears about the country's changing demographics, including the projected loss of the white majority, the law center said in its report.
So anyone who opposes the leftist agenda or supports the laws and Constitution is part of a hate groups. We're headed to the gulags
Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 06, 2013 08:42 AM (1Jaio)
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/i][/u][/b] at March 06, 2013 08:43 AM (4df7R)
People shouldn't have guns. Only cops should have guns.
Cops are racist.
Therefore, only racists should have guns.
Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at March 06, 2013 08:43 AM (fMgJk)
Posted by: rickb223 at March 06, 2013 08:43 AM (GFM2b)
Not really. This is much ado about nothing.
Would you also be opposed to an FBI sniper taking out a terrorist US citizen who was about to detonate a bomb? What's the difference?
There are very, very few plausible scenarios in which a domestic drone strike would have any legitimate application, but the possibility can't be completely ruled out.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at March 06, 2013 08:44 AM (SY2Kh)
maybe they were hoping she'd be able to make some memories with some scout leaders?
Hey the Scouts are a priv. organization and can make w/e rule they want just as she's allowed to pull out or not from doing something with them
Posted by: AuthorLMendez at March 06, 2013 08:44 AM (yAor6)
NO. This is still wrong. Any policeman in the country can try to stop a crime in progress, but to randomly decide from the oval office to kill an American citizen, not a terrorist or a foreigner, but an American without due process is wrong and unconstitutional. Do we really want Obama to use any number of crisis or manufactured crisis to start eliminating people like his buddy Hugo Chavez did?
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at March 06, 2013 08:44 AM (p/cQy)
Hispanic governor of Texas Luis Panablanco assassinated by a cruise missile stolen from North American Union Air Force while holding a press conference.
Senator Gomez of Texas dies due to mysterious plane crash. Holds posthumous press-conference in which he says 'This killing of Chicano politicians has got to stop!' By the time NAUG-Security close the press conference it was too late. Mexico split from the Union while the NAU-Navy L-4 fleet mutinied.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 06, 2013 08:45 AM (Cm7V/)
Okay, maybe for the radio-control hobbyist crowd. With GoPro cameras. Because nerds.
But that's it.
Posted by: Jones in CO at March 06, 2013 08:45 AM (8sCoq)
Posted by: rickb223 at March 06, 2013 08:45 AM (GFM2b)
Posted by: toby928© furthers the meme at March 06, 2013 12:36 PM (QupBk)
If another Tim McVeigh (or another Bill Ayers, for that matter) was spotted driving along a lonely country highway in a cube van loaded with ANFO, and if a drone strike was the safest way to ensure that his mission failed, then fuck yeah! Otherwise, not so much.
Interdicting an imminent attack sounds OK to me.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 06, 2013 08:46 AM (673KB)
Posted by: Daybrother at March 06, 2013 08:46 AM (9Xj/b)
Hugo's gasoline price in venezuela: $0.12 per gallon
TFG's gasoline price in USA:$4.00 per gallon
Hugo would have made a better US prezzy than the JEF.
Posted by: sTevo at March 06, 2013 08:46 AM (/W40N)
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at March 06, 2013 12:41 PM (4df7R)
Btw folks, ace was tweeting prior to 7am this morning. I wouldn't expect much from him. Lol.
Posted by: BCochran1981 at March 06, 2013 08:46 AM (da5Wo)
I know it is pointless to argue with you but did you even read the post?
Posted by: Vic at March 06, 2013 08:46 AM (53z96)
Posted by: toby928© furthers the meme at March 06, 2013 08:46 AM (QupBk)
Posted by: spongeworthy at March 06, 2013 08:46 AM (r5w1L)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at March 06, 2013 08:47 AM (VtjlW)
Posted by: Jones in CO at March 06, 2013 08:47 AM (8sCoq)
And Bush has NEVER advocated executing American citizens on American soil without court involvement
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He didn't advocate it but I think he said or we at least acknowledged that he may have the power to take down a jet if it was going to be used as a weapon. I may be wrong.
The problem with hypothetical questions is you can always craft a hypothetical situation to support something (well almost always). I agree in general with Paul's assertion, but Holder's response (from what I read sounded reasonable from a hypothetical standpoint). When you get down to it, I would trust the Bush administration with certain extraordinary powers more than I would trust the Obama administration. But trust is not absolute. I trust the Republicans more than I trust the Democrats, but that is a long way from saying I have full faith in the Republicans.
Regardless, I am for the old school speaking filibuster in the Senate.
Posted by: SH at March 06, 2013 08:47 AM (gmeXX)
MASSIVELY subsidized and economically stupid.
And never mind that you can't find eggs or toilet paper.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at March 06, 2013 08:48 AM (ltdV/)
I had a fantastic round of golf planned, but then I got high.
Posted by: Baraka the Malaka at March 06, 2013 08:48 AM (+iA5G)
Posted by: soothsayer at March 06, 2013 08:48 AM (KeJAW)
Holder said "catastrophic" attacks such as the Sept. 11 attacks or the
attack on Pearl Harbor are examples of circumstances where the president
could conceivably feel such an action is necessary.
There's a big difference between using a drone to take out an enemy that is engaged in an immediate act of mass destruction or terror, and using a drone to take out a perceived enemy when no crime is underway. It's the difference between sniping the bank robber who's got a gun to the hostage's head, and sniping the bank robber when he's at home counting his ill-gotten loot.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/i][/u][/b] at March 06, 2013 08:48 AM (4df7R)
So how is a drone strike in the US law enforcement? There is no warrant, no arrest, no trial. Just a finding by a bureaucrat that someone is a threat.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 06, 2013 08:48 AM (Cm7V/)
Heh- yeah, politically that's the right answer. I suppose I have to begrudgingly give Holder a tiny bit of credit for being uncharacteristically honest in response to Paul's question though.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at March 06, 2013 08:48 AM (SY2Kh)
I am pretty sure if there was another September 11th style attack and they ID'd a domestic perp, there would not be a lack of people signing up for the posse with very convincing firearms.
Posted by: Marcus at March 06, 2013 08:48 AM (GGCsk)
Posted by: Daybrother at March 06, 2013 08:49 AM (9Xj/b)
100 What's better for shooting down drones: rifle or shotgun?
Posted by: Jones in CO at March 06, 2013 12:47 PM (8sCoq)
50mm BOFORS
Just to be extra sure.
Posted by: BCochran1981 at March 06, 2013 08:49 AM (da5Wo)
Posted by: real joe at March 06, 2013 08:49 AM (XhY2I)
That is already covered by existing law. See post #9 from this morning.
Posted by: Vic at March 06, 2013 08:49 AM (53z96)
He's holding up the confirmation vote by the full Senate.
Posted by: DrewM. at March 06, 2013 08:49 AM (UfvyB)
Interdicting an imminent attack sounds OK to me.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 06, 2013 12:46 PM (673KB)
To a certain extent this principle already exists in law enforcement though. You have an active crime in progress, the police intervene, the suspect puts up a fight putting the police in danger and the police shoot (arguably in self defense.)
Ditto the 9/11 comparison. Plane is outside it's required flight plan (without authorization) you send in jets to put it back on track (and/or force landing) it continues to disobey *the law* putting others at risk, so you use lethal force to stop it.
Paul's asking the wrong question because he's not asking them to discuss questions other than "attack in progress" situations (which is what matters.)
Posted by: tsrblke (work) at March 06, 2013 08:49 AM (IsyJh)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 06, 2013 08:50 AM (lgjuc)
>>>Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 06, 2013 12:46 PM (673KB)<<<
Obama just decided your truck is dangerous. Ooops, he was wrong, but you are dead.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at March 06, 2013 08:50 AM (p/cQy)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 06, 2013 08:50 AM (Cm7V/)
A paradigm shift is about to occur if the gov keeps buying up all the ammo.
Nitrogen powered air rifles similar to the model Lewis and Clark used to suppress Indian upheavals during the expedition.
Posted by: sTevo at March 06, 2013 08:51 AM (/W40N)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 06, 2013 12:50 PM (lgjuc)
Pretty sure what he got was naturally bare.
Posted by: BCochran1981 at March 06, 2013 08:51 AM (da5Wo)
GPS jammer
. I think they're illegal to own though.Posted by: tsrblke (work) at March 06, 2013 08:51 AM (IsyJh)
Yes, I did. Nothingburger.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at March 06, 2013 08:51 AM (SY2Kh)
There's a big difference between using a drone to take out an enemy that is engaged in an immediate act of mass destruction or terror, and using a drone to take out a perceived enemy when no crime is underway.
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Of course there is. However, HOlder's answer focuses on the first not the second. So just a reading of it sounds reasonable. Here's a thought, how about some public hearings on all this.
Posted by: SH at March 06, 2013 08:51 AM (gmeXX)
Posted by: DrewM. at March 06, 2013 12:49 PM (UfvyB)
I did not think you could do that once it made it to the floor under the current rules for filibuster.
Posted by: Vic at March 06, 2013 08:51 AM (53z96)
Since the president tend to have it delivered from Chicago this will not be a cost savings.
http://www.rightpundits.com/?p=3716
Posted by: Buzzsaw at March 06, 2013 08:52 AM (81UWZ)
Posted by: Regular Moron [/i] at March 06, 2013 08:52 AM (feFL6)
117 You mean the L70 40mm Bofors don't you?
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 06, 2013 12:50 PM (Cm7V/)
220, 221, whatever it takes.
Posted by: BCochran1981 at March 06, 2013 08:52 AM (da5Wo)
Posted by: Taxpayers at March 06, 2013 08:52 AM (9Xj/b)
Posted by: Waldo Truth at March 06, 2013 08:52 AM (5PMD3)
Posted by: Jones in CO
I don't know RC tech that well but I suspect if you have a control set with a variable transmitter and an amp you might be able to highjack the fucker and take it home.
Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at March 06, 2013 08:52 AM (fMgJk)
Posted by: SKYNET at March 06, 2013 08:52 AM (VtjlW)
Posted by: rickb223 at March 06, 2013 08:53 AM (GFM2b)
AWESOME. Fuck it, I LOVE LOVE LOVE the old fashioned filibuster. I hope he colon cleansed and hooked up a catheter.
THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT WE NEED RE OPTICS. The media can't ignore a 3 day filibuster with a breaking voice, all to keep us safe from being killed by our own government in the US!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
exactly.
Posted by: Prescient11 at March 06, 2013 08:53 AM (tVTLU)
Posted by: HoboJerky, profit of DOOM! at March 06, 2013 08:53 AM (FsUAO)
Probably won't.... people here are crazy about snow though.Posted by: HoboJerky, profit of DOOM! at March 06, 2013 08:54 AM (FsUAO)
The idea of using a drone on 9-11 or Pearl Harbor type attacks is just stupid. They would send manned aircraft and THAT is legal.
To me it shows that Holder never had any intention of answering the question. That letter is just like everything else Holder does It is a GD stonewall.
Either that or he is the stupidest MF to walk into Washington.
Posted by: Vic at March 06, 2013 08:54 AM (53z96)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 06, 2013 08:54 AM (Cm7V/)
Posted by: BCochran1981 at March 06, 2013 08:54 AM (da5Wo)
MFM: Prezzy Wonderful is willing to work with Republicans to save you but those mean Republicans just want you to die
Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 06, 2013 08:54 AM (1Jaio)
Posted by: Truman North at March 06, 2013 12:38 PM (I2LwF)
Had an uncle (now deceased) who was a Consul General. Took us on some "special tour" of the White House. Awesome. Saw then-President George Bush the Elder in a hallway too.
This was back when the White House was the People's House. You may remember those days.
Posted by: Meremortal at March 06, 2013 08:55 AM (1Y+hH)
Posted by: rickb223 at March 06, 2013 08:55 AM (GFM2b)
Posted by: Buzzsaw at March 06, 2013 12:52 PM (81UWZ)
I know, I've eaten there. Frankly I still prefer St. Louis style in general though.
(Pi's big thing is creative pizzas. Which is good, and works for them. But if they just had to make a standard sausage patty pizza like Gino's I bet it'd be a flat up tie.)
Posted by: tsrblke (work) at March 06, 2013 08:55 AM (IsyJh)
If another Tim McVeigh (or another Bill Ayers, for
that matter) was spotted driving along a lonely country highway in a
cube van loaded with ANFO, and if a drone strike was the safest way to
ensure that his mission failed, then fuck yeah! Otherwise, not so much.
Interdicting an imminent attack sounds OK to me.
This is only justified if the LEOs first tried to get the truck to pull over and gave the driver and any passengers a chance to surrender, or to explain the situation.
Say I'm tooling along in a pickup truck with an NRA sticker and a "LOLBama" decal on my back bumper, and I've been known to call the government a bunch of worthless bastards. In the bed of the truck I've got a load of fertilizer, because I'm a subsistence farmer and grow my own veggies. The EPA just told me that I can't expand my operation to be able to grow enough produce to sell at the local farmer's market, thus supplementing my income, which led to a shouting match at the EPA's local HQ.
Some EPA creep sees me driving along in my truck full of fertilizer and thinks, "Holy shit, terrorism! Call in the drone!"
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/i][/u][/b] at March 06, 2013 08:56 AM (4df7R)
Vic, the whole thing screams for public hearings. Q & A through letters does not serve the country well.
Posted by: SH at March 06, 2013 08:56 AM (gmeXX)
Preferably a rifle, but either will work provided they're mounted to an aircraft.
Drones (those capable of carrying missiles) can fly far higher than the effective range of a rifle fired from the ground.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at March 06, 2013 08:56 AM (SY2Kh)
**I'm sorry, I can't make it in to work today because of the sequester.
**I know the dishes are piling up honey...but, but...the sequester!
**Our apologies for accidentally shooting you during a routine traffic stop, but the sequester has made it impossible for us to tell ordinary traffic violators from violent criminals.
**From the historical files: "The holocaust didn't happen, but if it had happened it would not have happened if the sequester had not happened." -- Yours truly, A. Hitler.
Posted by: Fabio9000 at March 06, 2013 08:57 AM (tWsQp)
Posted by: SH at March 06, 2013 12:56 PM (gmeXX)
It screams for impeach Obama and fire Holder and prosecute him for perjury and Fast and Furious.
But that will not happen, so let it burn.
Posted by: Vic at March 06, 2013 08:58 AM (53z96)
The bigger problem is local law enforcement wanting to use them to circumvent 4A (additionally some dickwad wanted rubber bullet guns on them.)
Posted by: tsrblke (work) at March 06, 2013 08:58 AM (IsyJh)
Void. LAPD proved they would do this BEFORE the sequester. Twice.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at March 06, 2013 08:59 AM (If4Wt)
Posted by: Regular Moron [/i] at March 06, 2013 08:59 AM (feFL6)
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at March 06, 2013 12:50 PM (p/cQy)
Well, I don't trust any Leftist, let alone Obama. But a sane government, acting in defense of its people, does have the power to interdict an imminent threat. I wouldn't advocate using the drone if better tools were available, and certainly, within the USA, they usually are.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 06, 2013 08:59 AM (673KB)
I know we are talking about drones, but if he believes he can do it with drones, he believes he can do it with Holder's FBI or DHS and bullets or explosives or whips or chains. That is the point. To me anyway.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at March 06, 2013 08:59 AM (p/cQy)
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at March 06, 2013 12:59 PM (If4Wt)
It was done under the fear of the sequester.
PTSD: Pre-Traumatic Sequester Disorder.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/i][/u][/b] at March 06, 2013 08:59 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at March 06, 2013 08:59 AM (VtjlW)
Posted by: White Blanket at March 06, 2013 08:59 AM (wIgpo)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 06, 2013 09:00 AM (Cm7V/)
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at March 06, 2013 12:59 PM (p/cQy)
Exactly. And if Obama gives himself that power, then what's to stop the local polis with delusions of grandeur from doing the same thing?
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/i][/u][/b] at March 06, 2013 09:00 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Vic at March 06, 2013 09:01 AM (53z96)
You know that thing where cops go to the wrong house and kill dogs, people, whatever gets in the way?
Just wait until that happens with a drone.
Posted by: Meremortal at March 06, 2013 09:01 AM (1Y+hH)
Posted by: Waldo Truth at March 06, 2013 09:01 AM (5PMD3)
160 AlextheChick, that was not Toto.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 06, 2013 01:00 PM (Cm7V/)
It was Bo, trying to make his escape.
Posted by: BCochran1981 at March 06, 2013 09:02 AM (da5Wo)
Posted by: Vic at March 06, 2013 01:01 PM (53z96)
By, "milk, bread and hot dogs," I assume you actually mean, "Valu-Rite, candy, and bacon."
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/i][/u][/b] at March 06, 2013 09:02 AM (4df7R)
WASHINGTON (AP) -- Enveloped by political gridlock, President Barack Obama is reaching out to rank-and-file Republicans,
meeting for dinner with GOP senators Wednesday night and then visiting
Capitol Hill next week for separate meetings with Senate and House
Republicans.
I'd pay real money for one of those rank-and-file to look up from the dinner table, wipe their lips with a napkin and say, "I'm not eating this until I see Bo."
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at March 06, 2013 09:02 AM (zF6Iw)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at March 06, 2013 09:02 AM (VtjlW)
- Dominion Tank Police.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 06, 2013 09:03 AM (Cm7V/)
Posted by: Big T Party at March 06, 2013 09:03 AM (WiQr+)
>>Did ace ever make it back from stocking up on milk, bread, and hot dogs for the storm?
Yeh, he came back *coincidentally* talking about $5 hookers.
Posted by: Mama AJ at March 06, 2013 09:03 AM (SUKHu)
162 Did ace ever make it back from stocking up on milk, bread, and hot dogs for the storm?
Posted by: Vic at March 06, 2013 01:01 PM (53z96)
He was tweeting at 645am this morning. Like I said, I wouldn't expect much from him for a while.
Posted by: BCochran1981 at March 06, 2013 09:03 AM (da5Wo)
Posted by: Waldo Truth at March 06, 2013 09:04 AM (5PMD3)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at March 06, 2013 09:04 AM (VtjlW)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 06, 2013 09:04 AM (Cm7V/)
Posted by: weft cut-loop at March 06, 2013 12:52 PM (fMgJk)
Oh, I just want to bring them down. And no, I don't expect I can do anything about a big ass Predator-style drone. I'm concerned with the smaller helicopter type or propeller-driven drones that are popping up on YouTube these days. I wanna shoot those fuckers down or interfere with them electronically and crash them.
Posted by: Jones in CO at March 06, 2013 09:05 AM (8sCoq)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 06, 2013 09:05 AM (Cm7V/)
Posted by: Big T Party at March 06, 2013 09:05 AM (WiQr+)
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at March 06, 2013 12:56 PM (4df7R)
This comes down to sane government vs insane government. Rogue cops working for a rogue government could take out you and your pickup load of fertilizer just as easily by stopping you in a roadblock and shooting you up with submachinegun fire.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 06, 2013 09:05 AM (673KB)
Drudge linked to the book on Roger Ailes. Excerpt with Ailes meeting Obama in 2008, catching Obama in a lie. Video link below.
"Ailes said he was mainly concerned about ObamaÂ’s strength on national-security issues. The candidate assured Ailes that he had nothing to worry about.
“Well, why are you going around talking about making cuts in weapons systems?” asked Ailes. “If you’re going to cut, why not at least negotiate them and get something in return?”
Obama said that Ailes had been misinformed; he was not advocating unilateral cuts.
“He said this looking me right in the eyes,” says Ailes. “He never dropped his gaze, which is the usual tell. It was as good a lie as anyone ever told me. I said, ‘Senator, I just watched someone say exactly that on my computer screen before coming over here. Maybe it wasn’t you, but it sure looked like you and sounded like you. I think it was you.’ ”
Video of Obama: http://tinyurl.com/63oekl
Posted by: Die Trying at March 06, 2013 09:05 AM (w7J/R)
Posted by: AuthorLMendez at March 06, 2013 09:06 AM (yAor6)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at March 06, 2013 01:02 PM (VtjlW)
Exactly. *shudder*
You think SWATting is bad now? Imagine how much worse it would be if a jumpy Chief, or a jumpier mayor or governor, decides that the threat is so bad that the SWAT team should just shoot first and sort out the pieces later.
PRANK PHONE CALL TO POLICE: "I just walked past XYZ house on Sample Street, and I saw a bunch of guys speaking in Iraqi and holding bombs while another guy speaking Iraqi pointed to places on a map!"
POLICE TO MAYOR: "Looksl ike we have a terror cell at XYZ house on Sample Street, according tot his concerned citizen."
MAYOR TO GOVERNOR: "Looks like we have a terror cell here in my town. What do we do?"
GOVERNOR: "Drone strike that son of a bitch."
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/i][/u][/b] at March 06, 2013 09:06 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: 80sBaby at March 06, 2013 09:06 AM (YjDyJ)
She will not shutup. My dad (boss) tried to tell her yesterday morning that the computer repair guy would be coming. She just kept talking over him. 3 times he tried and couldn't get her to shutup long enough to tell her. Finally, he looked at her, said "Nevermind" and walked off. While she was still talking. Didn't faze her.
Posted by: BCochran1981 at March 06, 2013 09:07 AM (da5Wo)
Eric Holder is the Attorney General of the United States.
End.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at March 06, 2013 09:07 AM (If4Wt)
Posted by: Velvet AmbitionYou cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosp at March 06, 2013 09:07 AM (R8hU8)
Posted by: Waldo Truth at March 06, 2013 12:52 PM (5PMD3)
Or by putting them in places where they can't offend, like the grave.
Posted by: troyriser at March 06, 2013 09:07 AM (vtiE6)
I hope they meet with him - for no more than 7 minutes.
Posted by: Lizzy at March 06, 2013 09:07 AM (QEUX+)
Posted by: Jones in CO at March 06, 2013 01:05 PM (8sCoq)
We already had a case of that at a local shoot club in one of the States (forget which one). Some animal rights group was spying on them and they shot it down with shotguns.
They are being sued by the group at the same time they have federal charged pending. It is a major felony to shoot at flying aircraft. Of course that spy drone was probably unlicensed so no telling how that boils out.
Posted by: Vic at March 06, 2013 09:07 AM (53z96)
Posted by: mare at March 06, 2013 09:08 AM (A98Xu)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 06, 2013 09:08 AM (Cm7V/)
Posted by: The Political Hat at March 06, 2013 09:09 AM (XvHmy)
Team Alice, motherfuckers. Team. Alice.
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at March 06, 2013 01:04 PM (VtjlW)
Four words.
Fifty. Shades. Of. Grey.
Posted by: BCochran1981 at March 06, 2013 09:09 AM (da5Wo)
because Hagel was speaking the truth about the Jews to Paul's mind? you know it's a plausibility...
Posted by: AuthorLMendez at March 06, 2013 09:09 AM (yAor6)
Now if you'll excuse me, I must complete my 9,000 word treatise about how water fluoridation is a Communist plot. And don't get me started about how microwave ovens are really secret mind control devices.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at March 06, 2013 09:09 AM (SY2Kh)
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 06, 2013 01:05 PM (673KB)
Yes, it would be essentially the same. But setting up a roadblock bristling with machine guns costs money and manpower that a single drone strike does not.
Personally I feel that anytime you make it easier and cheaper for the government to kill you, the more often they're going to do just that. Call me paranoid, but that's my feeling. All it takes is one rotten person in a position of power to turn even a decent person into a rogue.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/i][/u][/b] at March 06, 2013 09:09 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: toby928© furthers the meme at March 06, 2013 09:10 AM (QupBk)
Posted by: rickb223 at March 06, 2013 09:10 AM (GFM2b)
he just asked the President to disavow summary executions of Americans
Posted by: Jones in CO at March 06, 2013 09:10 AM (8sCoq)
Posted by: Boone at March 06, 2013 09:11 AM (8sCoq)
Posted by: Hollowpoint at March 06, 2013 01:09 PM (SY2Kh)
----
...... dons my tinfoil hat.
For.The.Win
Posted by: fixerupper at March 06, 2013 09:11 AM (nELVU)
I hope they meet with him - for no more than 7 minutes.
"Sorry to have to eat and run, Mr. Preznit, but The Americans is on tonight..."
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at March 06, 2013 09:11 AM (+z4pE)
Posted by: real joe at March 06, 2013 09:11 AM (XhY2I)
Posted by: soothsayer at March 06, 2013 09:11 AM (vanqS)
Posted by: Jones in CO at March 06, 2013 01:05 PM (8sCoq)
You know what might work? Bust open old VCR cartridges, and cut the tape into 50-foot lengths, and wad a bunch of it into a canister along with an explosive charge, and launch it ahead of and above the drone with a hobby rocket. That mylar tape is very light, and very strong, and would slowly drift down, and possibly entangle the props/rotors of the drones. For very close drones, just fire a wad of the tape at them with a big slingshot.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at March 06, 2013 09:11 AM (673KB)
It's not theoretical. Obama has assasinated hundreds by drone strike in the Middle East, including an American citizen and his 16 yr old son as well as bystanders.
Posted by: Lizzy at March 06, 2013 09:12 AM (QEUX+)
Drones all day. Drones all night. I can't even shit because of the drones. They haunt my every breath.
Don't these things ever need to refuel? It's like they run on hydrogen or something.
Damn you, Eric Holder!
Posted by: Fritz at March 06, 2013 09:12 AM (UzPAd)
http://youtu.be/sd3lDhyM21M
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 06, 2013 01:08 PM (Cm7V/)
Oh God, I'd forgotten good ole Blue Thunder! lol!
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/i][/u][/b] at March 06, 2013 09:12 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at March 06, 2013 09:13 AM (VtjlW)
Posted by: Jones in CO at March 06, 2013 09:13 AM (8sCoq)
Posted by: 80sBaby at March 06, 2013 09:13 AM (YjDyJ)
The small/cheap ones will have to use COTS r/c gear to keep costs down. That means 2.4Ghz with frequency hopping in the latest Futaba/JR/Spektrum stuff. The hobby r/c gear hops quite a few time/sec. Enough to make jamming difficult.
The downside is control range on the 2.4Ghz is limited to couple of miles at best, and the 2.4Ghz signals are to short to have good penetration of solid objects like buildings, large trees, etc. Carbon fiber components can make antenna placement an issue too.
Go out of line of sight and shit gets dicy quick.
The good thing about 2.4/5Ghz, even though its a noisy and crowded freq range, is you can still pass a lot of data at that freq rate before running into the limitations Shannon's theorem will impose.
Posted by: @PurpAv at March 06, 2013 09:13 AM (/gHaE)
Posted by: AuthorLMendez at March 06, 2013 09:13 AM (yAor6)
Posted by: toby928© furthers the meme at March 06, 2013 09:13 AM (QupBk)
I'll bet Colmes' balls are still hiding.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 06, 2013 12:31 PM (UOM4
I almost felt sorry for teh Skeletor when BOR was whaling on him to name a specific program and he responded Medicare and Medicaid. Granted, the JEF was very unspecific in his naming what would be targeted and there's no fucking way the Community Organizer in Chief would ever cut one dime from that unconstitutional intervention by the state into health care; but Bill was rolling by then and Colmes deserves to have his creepy mug severely beaten for other jackhole statements in the past.
Posted by: Captain Hate at March 06, 2013 09:14 AM (khM7r)
I hope they meet with him - for no more than 7 minutes.
"Hey there, Preezy. So, let's do this. But just so you know, we've gotta run in seven minutes. I'd love to stay and chat, but I've got to wash my car."
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/i][/u][/b] at March 06, 2013 09:14 AM (4df7R)
Hey everybody, let's ignore the stilted, clumsy rhetoric of an Attorney General who has a demonstrated long-term record of contempt for the law in all its forms.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at March 06, 2013 09:14 AM (If4Wt)
Posted by: 80sBaby at March 06, 2013 01:13 PM (YjDyJ)
Good, that's one down and a bunch more to go if that article I read was accurate.
Posted by: Vic at March 06, 2013 09:14 AM (53z96)
Posted by: tasker at March 06, 2013 09:14 AM (r2PLg)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 06, 2013 09:14 AM (Cm7V/)
Come on, Horde, Top Ten Things Rand Paul Should Read During The Filibuster
The shooting script from "Gigli."
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/i][/u][/b] at March 06, 2013 09:15 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Waldo Truth at March 06, 2013 01:01 PM (5PMD3)
Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 06, 2013 09:15 AM (1Jaio)
Let's see, we've got Twilight and the emdronening from Fifty Shades of Grey. How about Bridget Jones' Diary?
The Vagina Monologues.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at March 06, 2013 09:15 AM (+z4pE)
The script to Pulp Fiction
Posted by: AuthorLMendez at March 06, 2013 09:15 AM (yAor6)
Posted by: toby928© furthers the meme at March 06, 2013 09:16 AM (QupBk)
Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at March 06, 2013 09:16 AM (NzBQO)
----
Crap. I am not a stupid man..... but sometimes the horde makes me feel like I posses the intellect of a fifth grader.
Posted by: fixerupper at March 06, 2013 09:16 AM (nELVU)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at March 06, 2013 09:17 AM (VtjlW)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at March 06, 2013 01:13 PM (VtjlW)
Dreams of My Father
Posted by: BCochran1981 at March 06, 2013 09:17 AM (da5Wo)
Posted by: toby928© furthers the meme at March 06, 2013 01:16 PM (QupBk)
----
and sometimes not. ;-)
Posted by: fixerupper at March 06, 2013 09:17 AM (nELVU)
Posted by: toby928© furthers the meme at March 06, 2013 09:17 AM (QupBk)
AnnaP: I'll let the Wikipedia (I know, I know) synopsis answer that question.
But when the death of city councilwoman Diane McNeely turns out to be more than just a random murder, Murphy begins his own covert investigation. He discovers that a subversive action group, using the acronym THOR (Tactical Helicopter Offensive Response, the "proposed use of military helicopters to quell disorder"), is intending instead to use Blue Thunder to carry out an evil mission of their own, one that involves the secret elimination of political undesirables.
Yep, sounds about right. But drones wouldn't have to deal with pilots.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/i][/u][/b] at March 06, 2013 09:17 AM (4df7R)
You're onto something. I don't have to hit the drone, just make something explode next to it, close to it. That's how the Chapparal missile worked. Ideally that missile flew right up the target aircraft's exhaust and exploded. The explosive charge was small, but what it did was release a very long piece of metal that would instantly 'unspool' and act as shrapnel.
Posted by: Jones in CO at March 06, 2013 09:18 AM (8sCoq)
Animal Farm
"Basic Economics" or "Economic Facts & Fallacies" - Thomas Sowell
Posted by: Lizzy at March 06, 2013 09:18 AM (QEUX+)
Posted by: MCPO Airdale at March 06, 2013 09:18 AM (S4l7G)
The downside is control range on the 2.4Ghz is limited to couple of miles at best, and the 2.4Ghz signals are to short to have good penetration of solid objects like buildings, large trees, etc. Carbon fiber components can make antenna placement an issue too.
Heck, stick an Arduino, or other micro controller in it, add an inexpensive GPS module, and go autonomous.
Posted by: Sticky Wicket at March 06, 2013 09:18 AM (eyJh9)
Posted by: Hollowpoint at March 06, 2013 01:09 PM (SY2Kh)
False comparison. Association fallacy. There is a vast qualitative difference between the potential for drone strikes on American citizens on American soil (a possibility however remote) and the extremely highly improbable chance the government is exercising mind control via water fluoridation and/or microwave ovens. Keep in mind this is the same government which once funded attempts to kill goats with psychic powers and gave unwitting subjects large quantities of LSD (in at least one case with fatal result) in order to explore its potential use as an interrogation tool.
Posted by: troyriser at March 06, 2013 09:18 AM (vtiE6)
*I kind of sort of feel bad (shut up I can too feel bad) about calling it that because ace did have some excellent points plus his sandbox. But, you know, longbows.
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at March 06, 2013 01:17 PM (VtjlW)
Those were both before my time and I am very very sad panda about that.
Posted by: BCochran1981 at March 06, 2013 09:18 AM (da5Wo)
Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at March 06, 2013 09:19 AM (NzBQO)
Come on, Horde, Top Ten Things Rand Paul Should Read During The Filibuster
Anything by Little Billy Ayers: Prarie Fire, Weather Underground Manifesto.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at March 06, 2013 09:20 AM (+z4pE)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at March 06, 2013 09:20 AM (VtjlW)
Posted by: Jones in CO at March 06, 2013 09:20 AM (8sCoq)
Posted by: Big T Party at March 06, 2013 09:20 AM (WiQr+)
Come on, Horde, Top Ten Things Rand Paul Should Read During The Filibuster
The Bridges of Madison County.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at March 06, 2013 09:21 AM (zF6Iw)
Posted by: tasker at March 06, 2013 09:21 AM (r2PLg)
Posted by: Vic at March 06, 2013 09:21 AM (53z96)
Posted by: The Political Hat at March 06, 2013 09:21 AM (XvHmy)
Come on, Horde, Top Ten Things Rand Paul Should Read During The Filibuster
"Baby-Sitters Club Super Special #1: Baby-sitters on Board!"
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/i][/u][/b] at March 06, 2013 09:21 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Lizzy at March 06, 2013 09:21 AM (QEUX+)
At issue is the theoretical use of drones domestically against a US citizen. The vast majority of those killed by drones overseas weren't citizens.
It's perfectly legitimate to question the legal and ethical issues concerning the targeting of terrorist citizens overseas, but there's a wide gulf between overseas and domestic operations.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at March 06, 2013 09:21 AM (SY2Kh)
"We thought Jimmy Joe Schattblatter was a terrorist. But after review it turns out our informant lied to us. We apologize for his death. Here have a free phone and $10,000 on an EBT."
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 06, 2013 09:21 AM (Cm7V/)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at March 06, 2013 01:20 PM (VtjlW)
I believe so. There have been multiple threads that have gone Anne Hathaway, but I don't think I was around for the original. Hell, I don't even think it's been a year since I started posting here.
Posted by: BCochran1981 at March 06, 2013 09:21 AM (da5Wo)
Anything by Little Billy Ayers: Prarie Fire, Weather Underground Manifesto.
. . .Dreams From My Father.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at March 06, 2013 09:22 AM (zF6Iw)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Now with extra taunting. at March 06, 2013 01:20 PM (VtjlW)
OMG the hideous creeping terror of the Anne Hathaway Thread
WE SWORE WE'D NEVER SPEAK OF IT
Posted by: Jones in CO at March 06, 2013 09:22 AM (8sCoq)
Posted by: Bill Clinton at March 06, 2013 12:28 PM (DrC22)
In your dreams.
Posted by: Jennifer Flowers at March 06, 2013 09:22 AM (nZvGM)
Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie ® at March 06, 2013 09:22 AM (1hM1d)
Posted by: zsasz at March 06, 2013 09:22 AM (MMC8r)
Posted by: rickb223 at March 06, 2013 09:23 AM (GFM2b)
Posted by: tony redenzo at March 06, 2013 09:23 AM (TtA6H)
. . .Dreams From My Father.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at March 06, 2013 01:22 PM (zF6Iw)
Comment 238
Posted by: BCochran1981 at March 06, 2013 09:23 AM (da5Wo)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at March 06, 2013 09:24 AM (+z4pE)
Posted by: Big T Party at March 06, 2013 09:24 AM (WiQr+)
Posted by: DrewM. at March 06, 2013 09:24 AM (UfvyB)
Come on, Horde, Top Ten Things Rand Paul Should Read During The Filibuster
The collected works of Paul Krugman and Thomas Friedman, exclamated with armpit farts.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/i][/u][/b] at March 06, 2013 09:25 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Jones in CO at March 06, 2013 09:25 AM (8sCoq)
Posted by: BCochran1981 at March 06, 2013 01:23 PM (da5Wo)
You expect me to read the comments before chiming in? What fresh hell is this?
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at March 06, 2013 09:25 AM (zF6Iw)
The Bible, specifically Songs Of Solomon, Psalms, and Proverbs.
Maybe Keif Ellison will stroke out over it. Yes, I know he is in the House, not the Senate.
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Wily Wrepublican Wench at March 06, 2013 09:25 AM (kXoT0)
Posted by: @PurpAv
How about a directional transmitter and then spam every freq on the 2.4?
Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at March 06, 2013 09:26 AM (fMgJk)
All the girls I've loved by Menendez, Polanski, et al.
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Wily Wrepublican Wench at March 06, 2013 09:27 AM (kXoT0)
he is also speaking about how the 'progressive movement' and Democrats have been steadily fucking things up over the decades
Posted by: Jones in CO at March 06, 2013 09:27 AM (8sCoq)
Posted by: garagelogician at March 06, 2013 09:27 AM (W6jGg)
==========
ace's twitter feed.
Posted by: Tami[/i] at March 06, 2013 09:27 AM (X6akg)
Posted by: Serious Cat at March 06, 2013 09:28 AM (UypUQ)
Posted by: Jones in CO at March 06, 2013 09:28 AM (8sCoq)
Paul now schooling the Senate on the meaning of democracy, and how we are and were always meant to be a constitutional republic
Good for him!
Hey, if you can articulate my views, I'm on board with you. Doesn't mean I'd vote for you in a Pres. election, but I'd at least be willing to listen to what you have to say.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/i][/u][/b] at March 06, 2013 09:29 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Wily Wrepublican Wench at March 06, 2013 09:29 AM (kXoT0)
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/i][/u][/b] at March 06, 2013 09:29 AM (4df7R)
Penthouse forum letters.
Posted by: Buzzsaw at March 06, 2013 09:29 AM (81UWZ)
Posted by: Serious Cat at March 06, 2013 09:30 AM (UypUQ)
Posted by: Navycopjoe loves snow!! at March 06, 2013 09:30 AM (DXfAK)
Top Ten Things Rand Paul should read during his fillibuster:
"How to Bugger Little Boys, an unauthorized biography of Harry Reid"
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/i][/u][/b] at March 06, 2013 09:30 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Big T Party at March 06, 2013 09:30 AM (WiQr+)
Posted by: Serious Cat at March 06, 2013 09:30 AM (UypUQ)
Posted by: sans_sheriff at March 06, 2013 09:31 AM (3R8Ep)
Posted by: Jones in CO at March 06, 2013 09:31 AM (8sCoq)
Posted by: rickb223 at March 06, 2013 09:31 AM (GFM2b)
Posted by: Serious Cat at March 06, 2013 01:30 PM (UypUQ)
It was, but fillibusters are BAD. That's what the MFM tells us.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/i][/u][/b] at March 06, 2013 09:31 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: 80sBaby at March 06, 2013 09:31 AM (YjDyJ)
Paul should read simple stuff, like Dr. Seuss, as it would be less taxing on the brain and conserve mental energy. Serious answer.
Plus, the other Senators can understand it. It's on their mental level.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at March 06, 2013 09:32 AM (+z4pE)
Posted by: Lizzy at March 06, 2013 09:32 AM (QEUX+)
Posted by: Miss Marple at March 06, 2013 09:32 AM (GoIUi)
In my mind, this has nothing to do with technology or with who is doing the filibuster, it has to do with the President of the United States taking the position that he can kill any American citizen he wants if he deems that person a threat.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at March 06, 2013 09:32 AM (p/cQy)
Currently Demi Moore's divorce papers are the top trend.
He knows his history, that is for sure.
Posted by: ChristyBlinky at March 06, 2013 09:33 AM (baL2B)
Posted by: Serious Cat at March 06, 2013 09:33 AM (UypUQ)
Posted by: tasker at March 06, 2013 01:21 PM (r2PLg)
Satellites, to my knowledge, do not (yet) possess the capability to vaporize American citizens. And why not use helicopters? I guess for the same reason helicopters aren't commonly used to take out Jihadi targets in the Middle East. No risk to the pilot(s) and--given the relatively low expense of the drone by comparison--cheaper cost. And then, of course, there's the cool factor: drones can also make those authorizing their use on specific targets feel somewhat godlike, like Zeus throwing lightning bolts.
Posted by: troyriser at March 06, 2013 09:33 AM (vtiE6)
Posted by: jewells45 at March 06, 2013 09:33 AM (l/N7H)
They should be voting in 15-20min.
Posted by: 80sBaby at March 06, 2013 09:34 AM (YjDyJ)
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Wily Wrepublican Wench at March 06, 2013 09:34 AM (kXoT0)
Sure would be nice if some actual repubs in the senate helped him out by requesting time for a question.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at March 06, 2013 09:35 AM (p/cQy)
Posted by: Serious Cat at March 06, 2013 09:35 AM (UypUQ)
Posted by: Snarky the Bear at March 06, 2013 09:35 AM (/b8+5)
Things Rand Paul should read during his fillibuster:
Obammy's college transcripts.
Oh, wait....
Okay, then Obammy's published articles from the Harvard Law Review.
Oh, wait...
All right, then Obammy's speeches to the Illinois legislature in support of letting babies born alive following an abortion starve to death in closets.
Yes. We actually HAVE that. Run with it.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/i][/u][/b] at March 06, 2013 09:35 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Navycopjoe loves snow!! at March 06, 2013 09:36 AM (rRol4)
I think reading Michelle's awful, awful thesis would be the biggest real life troll ever.
Heh, then follow that up with Teh Hildabeast's college thesis about Alinsky.
Open some eyes.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at March 06, 2013 09:36 AM (+z4pE)
Posted by: HoboJerky, profit of DOOM! at March 06, 2013 09:36 AM (FsUAO)
Posted by: Barack Harold at March 06, 2013 09:36 AM (QF8uk)
Posted by: Jones in CO at March 06, 2013 09:36 AM (8sCoq)
Posted by: Craig Poe at March 06, 2013 09:36 AM (BVkEs)
Paul is beating Obama over the head with a history book.
Kentucky be proud of this man. Contrast a puffy faced starlet dunce with this historian.
Posted by: tony redenzo at March 06, 2013 09:36 AM (TtA6H)
Posted by: jewells45 at March 06, 2013 01:33 PM (l/N7H)
Just one of them would take up a good two, three hours.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/i][/u][/b] at March 06, 2013 09:36 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: tasker at March 06, 2013 09:37 AM (r2PLg)
Hmmm. I'm listening to this Rand Paul fella.....I'm of the opinion Ron might have been away on a business trip when he was conceived.
He sounds like a smart guy...he's knowledgeable, and he knows his shit.
Posted by: Sticky Wicket at March 06, 2013 09:37 AM (eyJh9)
Posted by: Snarky the Bear at March 06, 2013 09:38 AM (/b8+5)
Posted by: Navycopjoe loves snow!! at March 06, 2013 09:38 AM (rRol4)
Posted by: HoboJerky, profit of DOOM! at March 06, 2013 01:36 PM (FsUAO)
If he read ace's review of "The Master" and then proceeded to read the epic smackdown of erg's psychobabble that took place in the comments, I'd vote for him in a heartbeat.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/i][/u][/b] at March 06, 2013 09:38 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 06, 2013 09:39 AM (UOM48)
Posted by: Lady in Black at March 06, 2013 09:39 AM (ATdet)
He's an eye doctor, not a lawyer. Maybe he needs help from all the lawyers if you think he's not asking the right questions.
You don't criticize him, you support him with information and facts.
Posted by: Snarky the Bear at March 06, 2013 01:35 PM (/b8+5)
Did you check the link first?
Posted by: Tami[/i] at March 06, 2013 09:39 AM (X6akg)
Posted by: SqGuido at March 06, 2013 09:40 AM (A0wk8)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 06, 2013 01:39 PM (UOM4
Well there you go. Just start looking for anyone wandering around without arms and ask them why they hit your roof.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/i][/u][/b] at March 06, 2013 09:40 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Dr Spank at March 06, 2013 09:40 AM (4cRnj)
Posted by: BlueStateRebel at March 06, 2013 09:40 AM (7ObY1)
People die close to Dims under suspicious circumstances and nothing happens. Don't believe me, ask Ron Brown or Vince Foster, oh wait....
The fine art of Arkancide is no joke and I can tell you there are are parts of that state with crevices so deep and woods so thick, dead bodies disappear without a trace.
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Wily Wrepublican Wench at March 06, 2013 09:40 AM (kXoT0)
Posted by: SqGuido at March 06, 2013 01:40 PM (A0wk
Sequester, man. Sequester.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/i][/u][/b] at March 06, 2013 09:40 AM (4df7R)
*****
Homeland Security design requirements specify that its Predator B drones “shall be capable of identifying a standing human being at night as likely armed or not” and must be equipped with “interception” systems capable of reading cell phone signals. The military version of the Predator B drone carries 100-pound Hellfire missiles.
Posted by: Lizzy at March 06, 2013 09:41 AM (QEUX+)
Posted by: HoboJerky, profit of DOOM! at March 06, 2013 09:41 AM (FsUAO)
He is now talking about 14th Amendment, Republic vs Democracy.
Posted by: ChristyBlinky at March 06, 2013 09:41 AM (baL2B)
How quaint, that you'd think we the people have rights that supersede the federal government.
Posted by: RoyalOil at March 06, 2013 09:41 AM (VjL9S)
Posted by: Captain Hate at March 06, 2013 09:41 AM (khM7r)
Posted by: BCochran1981 at March 06, 2013 09:42 AM (da5Wo)
There's millions of them. You'd need some serious mil-spec spook gear to do that.
The hobby r/c stuff doesn't use the full range possible, BUT each transmitter/receiver pair establishes a different starting point in the hop cycle so they're no stepping on each other too much when several are active, so jamming one bird doesn't necessarily mean you can jam all birds.
Some hobbyists are already doing autonomous pre-programmed copter flight with GPS nav...which is actually a violation of the national model aviation organization rules.
There's talks underway right now between AMA (Academy of Model Aeronautics) and FAA over what constitutes a model versus private drone so that normal model aviation won't be unduly hindered by all the crazy regulation the govt plans to slap on private drones.
Posted by: @PurpAv at March 06, 2013 09:42 AM (/gHaE)
Posted by: tasker at March 06, 2013 09:42 AM (r2PLg)
Posted by: Navycopjoe loves snow!! at March 06, 2013 09:43 AM (rRol4)
Posted by: ChristyBlinky at March 06, 2013 09:43 AM (baL2B)
Posted by: SqGuido at March 06, 2013 01:40 PM (A0wk
Sequester, man. Sequester.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at March 06, 2013 01:40 PM (4df7R)
***************
Of course...the SEAquester...it's consuming everything!
Posted by: SqGuido at March 06, 2013 09:44 AM (A0wk8)
Posted by: rickb223 at March 06, 2013 09:44 AM (GFM2b)
Posted by: tasker at March 06, 2013 09:45 AM (r2PLg)
Posted by: humpback whales at March 06, 2013 09:45 AM (XYSwB)
Posted by: tasker at March 06, 2013 01:42 PM (r2PLg)
I'm not getting your argument. You keep bringing up satellites. Are you telling me that we have satellites with missile capability designed to take out individual human targets?
Posted by: troyriser at March 06, 2013 09:45 AM (vtiE6)
Posted by: HoboJerky, profit of DOOM! at March 06, 2013 09:45 AM (FsUAO)
----
SHIT!!!.... a PLASMA weaponed drone strike. RUN!!!
Posted by: fixerupper at March 06, 2013 09:45 AM (nELVU)
I'd vote for both right now. I would vote for anyone who will impeach The Jug-ear.
Posted by: ChristyBlinky at March 06, 2013 09:45 AM (baL2B)
Posted by: tony redenzo at March 06, 2013 09:45 AM (TtA6H)
If you get a flat tire at night, call AAA, and stand about 300' away while the dude works the jack handle...or you might catch some shrap when the missile hits.
Posted by: @PurpAv at March 06, 2013 09:45 AM (/gHaE)
352 "How much more can they do via a drone that they couldn't already do via satellite and helicopter?"
It's really not the MODE of assassination that's the problem, although that's a significant part of it. It's the regime's self-absorbed belief that they could order such an assassination without any kind of oversight or process. Obama puts your name on a list, says, "Smoke that guy," and boom.
THAT'S the heart of the issue. The use of an impersonal drone instead of the involvement of a flesh and blood individual -- a helicopter pilot, a sniper -- just further removes the assassin from any interaction with their living target.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/i][/u][/b] at March 06, 2013 09:45 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Opus An Arcus at March 06, 2013 09:46 AM (cfNCa)
Posted by: Opus An Arcus at March 06, 2013 09:46 AM (cfNCa)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 06, 2013 09:46 AM (Cm7V/)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 06, 2013 09:46 AM (Cm7V/)
Posted by: ChristyBlinky at March 06, 2013 09:46 AM (baL2B)
Posted by: ChristyBlinky at March 06, 2013 09:46 AM (baL2B)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at March 06, 2013 09:46 AM (piMMO)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at March 06, 2013 09:46 AM (piMMO)
Posted by: Lady in Black at March 06, 2013 09:47 AM (ATdet)
Posted by: Lady in Black at March 06, 2013 09:47 AM (ATdet)
So more of a Roswell-type scenario, then
Posted by: Jones in CO at March 06, 2013 09:47 AM (8sCoq)
So more of a Roswell-type scenario, then
Posted by: Jones in CO at March 06, 2013 09:47 AM (8sCoq)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at March 06, 2013 09:47 AM (piMMO)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at March 06, 2013 09:47 AM (piMMO)
"Will no one rid me of this meddling Rand Paul?" One Hellfire later, problem solved.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 06, 2013 09:48 AM (Cm7V/)
"Will no one rid me of this meddling Rand Paul?" One Hellfire later, problem solved.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 06, 2013 09:48 AM (Cm7V/)
I think he needs to slow down his speech to one word a minute and pace himself.
Posted by: ChristyBlinky at March 06, 2013 09:48 AM (baL2B)
I think he needs to slow down his speech to one word a minute and pace himself.
Posted by: ChristyBlinky at March 06, 2013 09:48 AM (baL2B)
Posted by: Jones in CO at March 06, 2013 09:48 AM (8sCoq)
Posted by: Jones in CO at March 06, 2013 09:48 AM (8sCoq)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at March 06, 2013 09:48 AM (piMMO)
So Rand proceeds to drop all this liberty, Constitutional knowledge on the Senate and the American people.
Anyone want to guess what the left's response will be? I already know.
"Oh yeah? Well AQUA BUDDHA! HAHAHAHAHA!"
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/i][/u][/b] at March 06, 2013 09:48 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at March 06, 2013 01:47 PM (piMMO)
I'm watching on C-span2.
Posted by: Tami[/i] at March 06, 2013 09:49 AM (X6akg)
Posted by: Jones in CO at March 06, 2013 01:48 PM (8sCoq)
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Fixed. To provide scope and perspective.
Posted by: fixerupper at March 06, 2013 09:49 AM (nELVU)
Posted by: Jones in CO at March 06, 2013 01:48 PM (8sCoq)
Intellectual midget's gnat in his wee eye. The Jugged Ear could not throw ten words together without a teleprompter.
Posted by: ChristyBlinky at March 06, 2013 09:49 AM (baL2B)
Posted by: ChristyBlinky at March 06, 2013 09:50 AM (baL2B)
Posted by: Lady in Black at March 06, 2013 09:50 AM (ATdet)
"Will no one rid me of this meddling Rand Paul?" One Hellfire later, problem solved.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 06, 2013 01:48 PM (Cm7V/)
Exactly. It gives the act of murder the same level of emotional weight as fragging someone in "Call of Duty." Just pixels on a screen.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/i][/u][/b] at March 06, 2013 09:51 AM (4df7R)
(Paul's "Harry Reid is a dick" statement may be a dramatic re-imagining of actual statements)
Posted by: Dr Spank at March 06, 2013 09:51 AM (4cRnj)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at March 06, 2013 09:51 AM (piMMO)
In Chapter Three, Mr. Lott discusses gun-control and takes the reader back to his time at the University of Chicago, where he and then-professor Barack Obama spoke on numerous occasions about guns in America.
"I don't believe people should be able to own guns," Obama told Lott one day at the University of Chicago Law School.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at March 06, 2013 09:51 AM (p/cQy)
Posted by: ChristyBlinky at March 06, 2013 01:46 PM (baL2B
They appear to be the tree variety.
I'm still having trouble forgiving Rand voting for Hagel. However, this filibuster is golden.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 06, 2013 09:51 AM (UOM48)
Posted by: humpback whales at March 06, 2013 09:51 AM (XYSwB)
Posted by: Jones in CO at March 06, 2013 01:51 PM (8sCoq)
Since 11:45 ET.
Posted by: Tami[/i] at March 06, 2013 09:51 AM (X6akg)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at March 06, 2013 09:51 AM (piMMO)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at March 06, 2013 01:51 PM (piMMO)
Yeah? I mean, what if you gotta pee?
Posted by: Serious Cat at March 06, 2013 09:52 AM (UypUQ)
Posted by: Lady in Black at March 06, 2013 01:50 PM (ATdet) /i]
I can almost guarantee that none of the others have the balls.
That's the primary reason I'd support Rand for President: he has actual, honest to God BALLS.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/i][/u][/b] at March 06, 2013 09:52 AM (4df7R)
That was my point. If you got on the wrong side of Gov. Bill, then one of his crooked Highway Patrol or State Police would pull you over for a traffic stop and poof you disappeared. Low tech works just fine. BTW, that is not an indictment of all Arkansas law enforcement, just the corrupt cadre that Bill assembled during his tenure. There were no happier people on the planet than folks in Arkansas when Bill and Hill's moving vans left for DC. With the Tyson Food and WalMart money and the Arkansas Dim machine, they were stuck with the Clintons and they knew it.
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Wily Wrepublican Wench at March 06, 2013 09:52 AM (kXoT0)
Posted by: Jones in CO at March 06, 2013 09:52 AM (8sCoq)
Cruz, Inhofe, Coburn?
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Wily Wrepublican Wench at March 06, 2013 09:53 AM (kXoT0)
You all have to be watching this.
Posted by: RoyalOil at March 06, 2013 09:53 AM (VjL9S)
Posted by: 80sBaby at March 06, 2013 09:53 AM (YjDyJ)
"Oh yeah? Well AQUA BUDDHA! HAHAHAHAHA!"
Posted by: MWR
The juiceboxers might cough up some snark but the MSM isn't going to say a thing.
No one but political junkies listen to these things. For the avg voter, this is a non-event.
Speeches on the Floor, Saturday morning rebuttals, SOTU rebuttals, campaign speeches, press releases - All worthless. They will never change a single vote.
If the GOP doesn't figure out how to reach people, our RINO Vs. Purity won't matter a bit.
Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at March 06, 2013 09:53 AM (fMgJk)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 06, 2013 09:53 AM (UOM48)
Posted by: L, elle at March 06, 2013 09:53 AM (0PiQ4)
Posted by: Jones in CO at March 06, 2013 01:53 PM (8sCoq)
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..... depends.
Posted by: fixerupper at March 06, 2013 09:54 AM (nELVU)
As I understand it, you can't leave to pee, but you can cede the floor for a question only. But hell I live in a socialist country, so I could be wrong.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at March 06, 2013 09:54 AM (p/cQy)
Posted by: Serious Cat at March 06, 2013 01:52 PM (UypUQ)
You hold it, or come prepared with a catheter.
That's what makes the fillibuster a last resort. Unless you DO have a tag team who can take over for each other on the floor, you end up with one person holding back the flood.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/i][/u][/b] at March 06, 2013 09:54 AM (4df7R)
Great speech, lots of history, lots of making sense in this senseless constitutional republic gone amok.
Posted by: ChristyBlinky at March 06, 2013 09:54 AM (baL2B)
Posted by: Vogon Poetry at March 06, 2013 09:54 AM (KXm42)
Posted by: Serious Cat at March 06, 2013 01:52 PM (UypUQ)
I don't know if he holds the record but Sheets Byrd could go on some truly lengthy filibusters.
Posted by: Captain Hate at March 06, 2013 09:54 AM (khM7r)
Posted by: rickb223 at March 06, 2013 09:55 AM (GFM2b)
Posted by: no good deed at March 06, 2013 09:55 AM (mjR67)
That would be easy if you have the target's coordinates. LEO polar orbit sat with a magazine full of small GPS guided entry vehicles. At about 2,000' AGL over the target the entry vehicle goes ballistic and a terminal phase canister is released. At 1000' AGL, the canister blossoms into a cloud of fleschettes that decimate whatever is below.
Silent, deadly, no splody shrap to injure bystanders.
I don't know if we got it today, but I'm sure a prototype system could be designed and built in a matter of months. The old Keyholes took actual film and dispensed reentry canisters on command that we'd pick up. Even that kind of old tech would be good enough to do the initial fleschette reentry vehicle dispensing, then the vehicle can fine tune its targeting on the way down.
Posted by: @PurpAv at March 06, 2013 09:55 AM (/gHaE)
In opposition to the Civil Rights Act of 1957, he conducted the longest filibuster ever by a lone senator, at 24 hours and 18 minutes in length, nonstop
Posted by: Jones in CO at March 06, 2013 09:55 AM (8sCoq)
Posted by: tony redenzo at March 06, 2013 09:55 AM (TtA6H)
Posted by: no good deed at March 06, 2013 01:55 PM (mjR67)
That was only workplace violence!!!
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/i][/u][/b] at March 06, 2013 09:56 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Opus An Arcus at March 06, 2013 09:56 AM (cfNCa)
Where are the rest of the Republicans and why did they flee? Snow?
The Constitution. It's like garlic to vampires.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at March 06, 2013 09:56 AM (zF6Iw)
Little known fact, Sheila Jackson Lee is giving her own filibuster speech on the floor of the House right now.
Posted by: SH at March 06, 2013 09:56 AM (gmeXX)
Posted by: rickb223 at March 06, 2013 09:56 AM (GFM2b)
Rand has been speaking for 2 hours? And where is Ace??
Suddenly it all starts to make sense...
Posted by: BurtTC at March 06, 2013 01:53 PM (TOk1P)
Ace.. Allahpundit.. Andy Levy.. Rand Paul.. John Derbyshire.. Brian Dennehy.. all the same person?!
Posted by: Serious Cat at March 06, 2013 09:56 AM (UypUQ)
Posted by: Sean Bannion at March 06, 2013 09:57 AM (hVFRB)
Posted by: toby928© furthers the meme at March 06, 2013 09:57 AM (QupBk)
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That's the first thing I thought of, too. And I don't even have high falootin' attorney credentials to know that was a dumb shit thing to say.
Posted by: Lady in Black at March 06, 2013 09:57 AM (ATdet)
Posted by: Schwalbe: The Me-262© at March 06, 2013 09:57 AM (UU0OF)
Posted by: Trent at March 06, 2013 09:58 AM (cfNCa)
In opposition to the Civil Rights Act of 1957, he conducted the longest filibuster ever by a lone senator, at 24 hours and 18 minutes in length, nonstop
no cameras back then, you could probably unzip and go in a bottle. CSPAN captures everything now. This could get interesting.
Posted by: SH at March 06, 2013 09:58 AM (gmeXX)
Posted by: rickb223 at March 06, 2013 09:58 AM (GFM2b)
There is no chance within the repub party.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at March 06, 2013 09:58 AM (p/cQy)
Paul/Gohmert 2016
Posted by: Sean Bannion at March 06, 2013 01:57 PM (hVFRB)
I'd hit it.
At this moment, I'd hit any combination that includes either Paul or Cruz.
Paul/Cruz 2016 might kill me via complications from a day long orgasm.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/i][/u][/b] at March 06, 2013 09:59 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Sean Bannion at March 06, 2013 09:59 AM (hVFRB)
Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 06, 2013 09:59 AM (1Jaio)
Ailes describes Biden as "dumb as an ashtray."
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 06, 2013 09:59 AM (UOM48)
Check his wife's purse. I think she took over carrying them from his Mom.
Monica Crowley has them... she's Skeletor's sister-in-law.
Love it when the Irishman loses it on one of Bammy's "talking heads"
BTW - I have it on good authority that Hugo Chavez is being dorked in the squeakhole with the Barbed Cock of Satan!
Posted by: Mjölnir, Banhammer from the gates of Hell at March 06, 2013 09:59 AM (Jls4P)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at March 06, 2013 10:00 AM (piMMO)
Posted by: tasker at March 06, 2013 10:00 AM (r2PLg)
Posted by: HoboJerky, profit of DOOM! at March 06, 2013 10:00 AM (FsUAO)
Posted by: Sean Bannion at March 06, 2013 10:00 AM (hVFRB)
IIRC, hold it or pee yourself. That's why filibusters were not to be undertaken lightly.
Posted by: rickb223 at March 06, 2013 01:55 PM (GFM2b)
If you piss, own it. Don't meekly piss your pants - pull that sucker out, piss long and proudly on the desk of someone across the aisle, then tap it dry against the table and put it back where it belongs.
Piss like a Viking. Be a man.
Posted by: jwest at March 06, 2013 10:00 AM (u2a4R)
Gatoraid bottle, lean in and just smile at em.
Bonus points if you can get Harry Reid to drink it, claiming it's "Tart Vinegar and Lemon flavor."
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/i][/u][/b] at March 06, 2013 10:00 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at March 06, 2013 10:01 AM (piMMO)
Really, if you aren't listening to it, tune into CSpan 2. Paul is terrific. And he's not missing a beat.
Posted by: Lady in Black at March 06, 2013 10:01 AM (ATdet)
Ailes describes Biden as "dumb as an ashtray."
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 06, 2013 01:59 PM (UOM4
Ashtray: What did I ever do to Ailes to be insulted that way?
Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 06, 2013 10:01 AM (1Jaio)
Posted by: beachie wed at March 06, 2013 10:01 AM (XYSwB)
Posted by: HoboJerky, profit of DOOM! at March 06, 2013 10:02 AM (FsUAO)
Send video.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at March 06, 2013 02:00 PM (hVFRB)
I'd be dead, though. It would have to be on some kind of timer to be automatically emailed after my passing.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/i][/u][/b] at March 06, 2013 10:02 AM (4df7R)
Piss like a Viking. Be a man.
Posted by: jwest at March 06, 2013 02:00 PM (u2a4R)
* craking up *
Posted by: Serious Cat at March 06, 2013 10:02 AM (UypUQ)
Posted by: toby928© furthers the meme at March 06, 2013 10:02 AM (QupBk)
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So much for Boner stopping Obamacare through defunding, and protecting the religious rights of Americans. He completely and totally ignored his previous statements. B**tard.
Posted by: Lady in Black at March 06, 2013 10:02 AM (ATdet)
"Are you watching Rand Paul on c-span?! He's fucking awesome!"
Yes. Yes, he is.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 06, 2013 10:03 AM (UOM48)
Posted by: tasker at March 06, 2013 10:03 AM (r2PLg)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at March 06, 2013 10:03 AM (piMMO)
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/i][/u][/b] at March 06, 2013 10:04 AM (4df7R)
Posted by: mrp at March 06, 2013 10:04 AM (HjPtV)
pull that sucker out, piss long and proudly on the desk of someone
across the aisle, then
fify
Posted by: Jones in CO at March 06, 2013 10:04 AM (8sCoq)
Posted by: tasker at March 06, 2013 10:04 AM (r2PLg)
Really, if you aren't listening to it, tune into CSpan 2. Paul is terrific. And he's not missing a beat.
He's on fire.
I second your motion though....everyone should tune in on CSPAN2.
Posted by: Sticky Wicket at March 06, 2013 10:04 AM (eyJh9)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at March 06, 2013 10:04 AM (piMMO)
Posted by: Big T Party at March 06, 2013 10:04 AM (WiQr+)
Posted by: Sean Bannion at March 06, 2013 10:05 AM (hVFRB)
Posted by: HoboJerky, profit of DOOM! at March 06, 2013 10:05 AM (FsUAO)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at March 06, 2013 10:05 AM (piMMO)
Posted by: beachie wed at March 06, 2013 10:05 AM (XYSwB)
Dreams From My Father. Particularly, the cocaine and dog-eating sections.
Posted by: Bubbleheaded Meteorologist at March 06, 2013 10:05 AM (YmPwQ)
Posted by: 80sBaby at March 06, 2013 10:06 AM (YjDyJ)
Posted by: CT moron at March 06, 2013 10:06 AM (qxcKC)
"Uncle" Frank Marshall Davis, and the brown stains on their undies (for real).
Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 06, 2013 10:07 AM (UOM48)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at March 06, 2013 10:08 AM (piMMO)
Posted by: HoboJerky, profit of DOOM! at March 06, 2013 10:09 AM (FsUAO)
Posted by: Serious Cat at March 06, 2013 10:10 AM (UypUQ)
Posted by: SH at March 06, 2013 10:10 AM (gmeXX)
Posted by: HoboJerky, profit of DOOM! at March 06, 2013 10:10 AM (FsUAO)
Posted by: ChristyBlinky at March 06, 2013 10:10 AM (baL2B)
Posted by: ChristyBlinky at March 06, 2013 10:11 AM (baL2B)
Posted by: HoboJerky, profit of DOOM! at March 06, 2013 10:13 AM (FsUAO)
Posted by: Meghan's McCans at March 06, 2013 10:13 AM (tl7W6)
Posted by: Lady in Black at March 06, 2013 02:02 PM (ATdet)
Bob Ney might be a vindictive soak with a lot of resentment issues but he might be spot on with his characterizations of Boehner.
Posted by: Captain Hate at March 06, 2013 10:14 AM (khM7r)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at March 06, 2013 10:14 AM (piMMO)
I hope someone helps this man continue. Where did Cruz go (or whoever was sitting near him)?
Posted by: ChristyBlinky at March 06, 2013 10:15 AM (baL2B)
Posted by: TheQuietMan at March 06, 2013 10:16 AM (1Jaio)
Posted by: ChristyBlinky at March 06, 2013 10:16 AM (baL2B)
Posted by: Beagle at March 06, 2013 10:18 AM (oCdqI)
You know what would be cool right now... ?
A website with all the historical filibuters , ranked shortest to longest, with a moving indicator letting people know what rank Rand Paul is currently at... and how many minutes until he takes another spot.
Posted by: Serious Cat at March 06, 2013 10:20 AM (UypUQ)
Posted by: @PurpAv at March 06, 2013 10:24 AM (/gHaE)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 06, 2013 10:26 AM (Cm7V/)
Posted by: @PurpAv at March 06, 2013 02:24 PM (/gHaE)
I'd feel pretty good about that if the White House was maybe a little less equivocal about using it on someone like me.
Posted by: troyriser at March 06, 2013 10:27 AM (vtiE6)
Posted by: WannabeAnglican at March 06, 2013 10:28 AM (Tmdyt)
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at March 06, 2013 10:31 AM (gA69l)
Posted by: HoboJerky, profit of DOOM! at March 06, 2013 10:31 AM (FsUAO)
Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna let it burn really.really bummed at March 06, 2013 10:43 AM (9+ccr)
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at March 06, 2013 10:51 AM (piMMO)
Meanwhile, John McCain is sitting in Dingy Harry's office shaking his head and repeating, "those hobbits just don't understand..."
Posted by: sans_sheriff at March 06, 2013 11:07 AM (3R8Ep)
Posted by: WannabeAnglican at March 06, 2013 11:07 AM (Tmdyt)
Posted by: Serious Cat at March 06, 2013 11:13 AM (UypUQ)
Love it...Cruz tag-teaming with Rand.
"Genesis of Constitution: President is not a king." Senator Cruz.
Two Revolutions have been fought for our ideas. "Rights come from kings and queens and given by grace." Cruz.
This is awesome, awesome American History live on the floor of the Senate. This should be top billing on every conservative blog right now.
Posted by: ChristyBlinky at March 06, 2013 11:22 AM (baL2B)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at March 06, 2013 12:32 PM (Cm7V/)
What generator page?
Posted by: theCork at March 06, 2013 11:32 AM (hbAdE)
Posted by: Mirage at March 06, 2013 11:34 AM (+/Fsp)
Posted by: Snarky the Bear at March 06, 2013 11:59 AM (/b8+5)
Posted by: Snarky the Bear at March 06, 2013 12:02 PM (/b8+5)
Posted by: Chris Balsz at March 06, 2013 11:20 PM (QFvpm)
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